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 on: Today at 04:03:26 
Started by Grove - Last post by Crutchless
Just an opinion, based on figures pulled out of the air. Happy to listen to any realistic business plans and happy to put my money into anything viable. Just a general observation, but the idea that the club can be moved forward on 500k isnít viable, again in my opinion and quoting the clubs track record on this is a bit pointless given we all agree that our current state is unsatisfactory? One thing I can tell you from experience is that as a general rule when you enter into an area that is outside of your area of expertise it generally costs 30% more and takes 30% longer than forecast. As a general rule of course. To be honest if your proposal was the one on the table I wouldnít be investing anything, but no problem because you wouldnít need it anyway. Iím sticking to 14 million minimum to take control of the club, move it forward, cover the unforeseen and have a provable line of credit to ensure you can get a contractor to stick a stick a spade in the ground. Again just my opinion based on blind observation.

Re: your 30%s.....  Good point.  And I sort of agree (you are now tainted by association to be abused by "The Board"....  ie, the Zombies).  Except, you need to be stronger.......

In the days when I was involved in very innovative stuff (like the first horseless carriage), the guidelines on costs for stuff that you had no knowledge of was.....  think of everything you can, make it worse case, then double it to make up for the things you haven't thought of (ie, 200%), then double it again (ie, take it to 400%) as you are always over optimistic on future achievements.  Surprisingly, a few such projects succeeded.  The majority died to cost over-runs.... 

Does our board think it is the punk that Clint Eastwood questioned?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQaehcfXvK0

I fear some piggy banks are going to get shafted to pursue this one.

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 on: Today at 02:23:36 
Started by Grove - Last post by Melbourne Cobbler
You do love your big unattainable numbers.
At no time in the clubs history has anyone invested more than 500k at any one time and the club has bounced along   surviving hand to mouth on the good will of the very few fans that bother to turn up.
£17m would make life very easy but it's not essential as only Sunderland could dream of that kind of investment.
A fan run club working closely with local buisneses would only need to show an upturn of 50% increase of gate revenues, corporate match day takings, food and beverages etc and to acheive its immediate goals of stages of redevelopment of the stadium over a period of time and attain and establish a league 1 presence.
We would not need anything like these fanciful figures to take the first steps to building up our club.
None of us would expect us to make record signings just to hook better quality players from the pool all clubs get them from.
Steady year on year growth working with all the clubs catchment and buisness community catches monkey.
Just an opinion, based on figures pulled out of the air. Happy to listen to any realistic business plans and happy to put my money into anything viable. Just a general observation, but the idea that the club can be moved forward on 500k isnít viable, again in my opinion and quoting the clubs track record on this is a bit pointless given we all agree that our current state is unsatisfactory? One thing I can tell you from experience is that as a general rule when you enter into an area that is outside of your area of expertise it generally costs 30% more and takes 30% longer than forecast. As a general rule of course. To be honest if your proposal was the one on the table I wouldnít be investing anything, but no problem because you wouldnít need it anyway. Iím sticking to 14 million minimum to take control of the club, move it forward, cover the unforeseen and have a provable line of credit to ensure you can get a contractor to stick a stick a spade in the ground. Again just my opinion based on blind observation.

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 on: Today at 02:10:59 
Started by Teachers Pet - Last post by Crutchless
The West Ham lad is very highly regarded,

Watching clips from West Hams Youth team he looks to have a wand of a left foot. He appears to take their corners and free kicks and is involved in a lot of goals both from Left mid and Left back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKcjuneOAWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWKbjXeNX-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k_JfNdqc3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zVutxh2GII

Exactly!  Good post.

He has huge potential, and will be great for us - as well us giving him that valuable experience of playing against thugs.

(You know that you are now tainted by having me agree with you post..... expect the wrath of the Hotel End to descend upon you).

By the way.... expect Pollock to be subject to a speculative bid from a Championship/Prem Club before the Window closes..... Possibly West Ham.  He has too much potential to be here beyond the Summer, even if we are promoted.


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 on: Today at 00:17:19 
Started by Grove - Last post by Crutchless
Now then.  The great thing about a Capitalist Society is that you can make loads of dosh, even from a failed business plan.

So, what you do in this instance is, get a few people (maybe 6 or 7) who would be prepared to sacrifice £100 each (initial Share listing to prove it is a bona fide business).  You set up a new company called "Cobblers 2019 Ltd" - sorry - an extra £200 or so to find to set the company up.....  ooops, my maths are bad already.

But, then, having set up said company, you buy the Cobblers from Thomas etc for the same £1 that they paid for it.

Having done that, you declare yourselves bankrupt, due to the huge debts you have acquired.  You then appoint another Hotel-Ender (who hopefully has an Accounting Qualification - over and above counting sheep - to act as Administrator).  They then negotiate a write-down/write-off of all owings to something more manageable.

The Bankrupt Company of "Cobblers 2019 Ltd" is then sold to another group of fans each prepared to sacrifice £100 each, to form a new company called "Cobblers Again 2019 Ltd" - sorry -forgot the set-up fees again.... darn.....

Carry on ad infinitum until there are no more debts.

You will lose all real businesses as supporters and sponsors.  And probably cause a few local businesses to go under.

But, the club will be otherwise debt-free and manageable.

Eh, voila..... That is how Mr.Big-Money becomes Mr.Big-Money in a Capitalist Society.... (and also, how fans can buy the club with bugger all dosh.)

Dare you do it, though?

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 on: Today at 00:03:00 
Started by Dr Feelgood - Last post by Crutchless
Not a chance we will go down.

I agree entirely!

(Now, that's you tainted by having my nod.  Prepare to receive the wrath of the Hotel End's finest!  Smiley  )

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 on: Yesterday at 23:14:07 
Started by Grove - Last post by BedsCobb
It should be. The posts questioning fan ownership raise some valid points and to deny its flaws as a model is misguided. My personal view is that it is the most likely to achieve the realistic aspirations of the support base. However in my assessment it would take 3000-5000 supporters to invest a total of around 7 to 9 million to stand a chance of taking the club forward. This would need to be near matched by outside investment taking up the remaining 49%. With restriction on shareholdings preventing a hostile takeover outsider corporate investors just may buy into the romance of the model. This would give a total of 14 to 17 million. Is this achievable, is there the appetite for this, I suspect not but thatís my assessment in aligning what we would want with what we would need. All done pretty much blind of course but thought I would put it out there again. The bottom line is if there was the appetite for this across the support base on those general terms I would be up for a punt and so I believe would Manny, but so far thatís about it? Hardly the the attractive master plan Iíd hoped for?
You do love your big unattainable numbers.
At no time in the clubs history has anyone invested more than 500k at any one time and the club has bounced along   surviving hand to mouth on the good will of the very few fans that bother to turn up.
£17m would make life very easy but it's not essential as only Sunderland could dream of that kind of investment.
A fan run club working closely with local buisneses would only need to show an upturn of 50% increase of gate revenues, corporate match day takings, food and beverages etc and to acheive its immediate goals of stages of redevelopment of the stadium over a period of time and attain and establish a league 1 presence.
We would not need anything like these fanciful figures to take the first steps to building up our club.
None of us would expect us to make record signings just to hook better quality players from the pool all clubs get them from.
Steady year on year growth working with all the clubs catchment and buisness community catches monkey.

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 on: Yesterday at 21:37:40 
Started by Dr Feelgood - Last post by Wattie
Not a chance we will go down.

 8 
 on: Yesterday at 21:30:13 
Started by Dr Feelgood - Last post by Coolcat
So depressingly predictable. Come on Kelvin. Open your wallet and give us a chance.
You inferring KT should offer bribes to the EFL to stave off relegation?
You think we are Juventus or River Plate lad?  Grin

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 on: Yesterday at 21:29:03 
Started by Grove - Last post by Melbourne Cobbler
This proposed fan ownership is the 100% option.
Is the German version of 51% being investigated?
It should be. The posts questioning fan ownership raise some valid points and to deny its flaws as a model is misguided. My personal view is that it is the most likely to achieve the realistic aspirations of the support base. However in my assessment it would take 3000-5000 supporters to invest a total of around 7 to 9 million to stand a chance of taking the club forward. This would need to be near matched by outside investment taking up the remaining 49%. With restriction on shareholdings preventing a hostile takeover outsider corporate investors just may buy into the romance of the model. This would give a total of 14 to 17 million. Is this achievable, is there the appetite for this, I suspect not but thatís my assessment in aligning what we would want with what we would need. All done pretty much blind of course but thought I would put it out there again. The bottom line is if there was the appetite for this across the support base on those general terms I would be up for a punt and so I believe would Manny, but so far thatís about it? Hardly the the attractive master plan Iíd hoped for?

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 on: Yesterday at 20:33:31 
Started by Dr Feelgood - Last post by Dr Feelgood
Yeovil and Grimsby both trail at the half.

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