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Title: False dreams
Post by: paul thompson is on October 07, 2017, 18:01:50 pm
Hi

False dreams is the problem

Wilder gave us a belief that Northampton Town might achieve something sometime in the future
but that never will happen,
We are a yo yo team bottom division for 90% of our history,
then a miracle season.....
Then never invest in the team then back to the bottom division,

The latest players brought to this club...
nobody really wanted
Where is the BIG signing,
the 15-20 goal a season striker,that is needed even to stay up.....







Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: bungle on October 07, 2017, 18:06:53 pm
Where is the BIG signing,
the 15-20 goal a season striker,that is needed even to stay up.....


1. We stayed up last year without a 15-20 goal season striker
2. The top scorer in the league last year played for a team who finished below us in the table
3. What you need to be successful is a well-balanced and well drilled team with a range of players who contribute goals. This takes time to build
4. As far as I'm concerned JFH has made a big mistake today, but that mistake doesn't suddenly invalidate the decent work he has done so far in his tenure.

Give the man time and let's see if he learns from his mistakes.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 07, 2017, 18:17:25 pm
the 15-20 goal a season striker,that is needed even to stay up.....
We have a sixty goal a season striker, but hes out on loan at the moment.
Google it.









Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: paul thompson is on October 07, 2017, 18:22:16 pm
Who and when did they score all these goals,
was it in League one or higher,

please send me the link


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: WadeyCobbler on October 07, 2017, 18:36:13 pm
Yep, a 60 goal striker and another young gun who scores for fun yet neither got a chance and we persist with R&R. Does me head in, change it now. Recall them from their loans. Try Waters up top even. Got to do something different.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 07, 2017, 18:47:57 pm
Who and when did they score all these goals,
was it in League one or higher,

please send me the link
Your command of the English language, has raised my eyebrow, and suspicions, however, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, just once.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39450610


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: paul thompson is on October 07, 2017, 19:02:38 pm
Non - league striker,
playing non league


i think you scraping the barrel if you think he is the answer,
but maybe things are that desperate



Your command of the definition of a striker , has raised my eyebrow, and suspicions, however, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, just once.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Zen Master on October 07, 2017, 19:10:02 pm
You can get away without a prominent goal scorer when other areas of the team are chipping in with goals on a regular basis.

They aren't.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Benji on October 07, 2017, 19:14:58 pm
Hi

False dreams is the problem

Wilder gave us a belief that Northampton Town might achieve something sometime in the future
but that never will happen,
We are a yo yo team bottom division for 90% of our history,
then a miracle season.....
Then never invest in the team then back to the bottom division,

The latest players brought to this club...
nobody really wanted
Where is the BIG signing,
the 15-20 goal a season striker,that is needed even to stay up.....


This is nonsense, there was little to no investment when we one the league, this year there has been big investment while a club like Shrewsbury have much less. There is so much in football that is intrinsic. clubs go up and down leagues all the time, we may make the championship some day we may end up in the conference.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 07, 2017, 19:48:40 pm
Your command of the English language, has raised my eyebrow, and suspicions, however, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, just once.
quote]
Non - league striker,
playing non league

i think you scraping the barrel if you think he is the answer,
but maybe things are that desperate

Your command of the definition of a striker , has raised my eyebrow, and suspicions, however, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, just once.
Your ability to repeat my quote is admirable, however it wins you no friends.







Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: paul thompson is on October 07, 2017, 20:34:16 pm
This is nonsense, there was little to no investment when we one the league, this year there has been big investment while a club like Shrewsbury have much less. There is so much in football that is intrinsic. clubs go up and down leagues all the time, we may make the championship some day we may end up in the conference.


If it is nonsense then why do we yo yo


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: paul thompson is on October 07, 2017, 20:42:19 pm

Your ability to repeat my quote is admirable, however it wins you no friends.(Tabasco Kid)

you may notice that I have not repeated your quote but have added to it to make it more amusing than the original,

plus i do not call people on web sites friends,
please note the definition of friend

a person with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, typically one exclusive of sexual or family relations.






Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on October 07, 2017, 22:16:50 pm
1. We stayed up last year without a 15-20 goal season striker
2. The top scorer in the league last year played for a team who finished below us in the table
3. What you need to be successful is a well-balanced and well drilled team with a range of players who contribute goals. This takes time to build
4. As far as I'm concerned JFH has made a big mistake today, but that mistake doesn't suddenly invalidate the decent work he has done so far in his tenure.

Give the man time and let's see if he learns from his mistakes.

However if you do have someone who gets 15-20 goals it bloddy helps


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on October 07, 2017, 22:18:08 pm
Who and when did they score all these goals,
was it in League one or higher,

please send me the link

Whatever he or young Joe cannot do any work worse than the two carthorses we are currently wheeling out that is fact!!!


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on October 07, 2017, 22:18:48 pm
Yep, a 60 goal striker and another young gun who scores for fun yet neither got a chance and we persist with R&R. Does me head in, change it now. Recall them from their loans. Try Waters up top even. Got to do something different.

+1


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: everbrite on October 07, 2017, 22:44:47 pm
We have a sixty goal a season striker, but hes out on loan at the moment.
Google it.


Not sure if that is the answer TK - if Loibjoit was doing really well in training he probably be included in the squad. Take Toney when he first came on he was knocking on the door. We all sensed that.











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Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on October 07, 2017, 22:48:01 pm

Not sure if that is the answer TK - if Loibjoit was doing really well in training he probably be included in the squad. Take Toney when he first came on he was knocking on the door. We all sensed that.


If he is never given a proper chance up top we will never know. The point is presently what have we got to lose giving him or Joe a run?

They cannot do any worse.











Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Benji on October 08, 2017, 05:45:56 am
If it is nonsense then why do we yo yo


My point about it being nonsense was about the lack of investment. While it may not have been used wisely there has been transfer fees paid and big wages this season putting us top half of the table in this aspect unlike a club like Shrewsbury who have been making bargain basement signings and like always outside of the top leagues it guarantees nothing.

As someone who has supported the club for 35 years I also wouldn't say we are a yo yo club as while we have fluctuated between the two divisions the vast majority of that time has been spent in the basement division, in that time time we flirted with the championship once (the lost playoff final under Atkins) are far more often looked certainties for the conference.

Chances are though like many teams some time in the future we will be playing in the championship or the conference or both. You just need to look at the team that beat us in the play off final under Atkins, Grimsby who eventually dropped back down tthe leagues and into non league before making it back. We sacked Gary Johnson and hailed him one of our worst ever managers, before he went on to take Yeovil with the smallest league 1 budget into the championship before again dropping back to the basement.

Investment is nice and increases your chances, but like with Wilder league winning season it guarantees nothing. We had a manager its previous fans didn't want, a squad of players rejected at the previous clubs and a competitive but nothing special budget.

While this season looks bleak, supporting a lower league team isn't wwf it's not scripted, it's not even like the premier league where the same few teams compete for the league. It's a roller coaster ride with many highs and lows and that's the way it will always be, there is no magical panacea despite certain people on here's rantinings.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: guest1269 on October 08, 2017, 08:00:12 am
Indeed - look at Shewsbury - a way to go but who would have predicted their start?


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: BedsCobb on October 08, 2017, 08:37:24 am
Investment in quality players at a club where it is not sustainable to do so due to poor infrastructure such as running at 80% capacity in a tiny non league ground and no corporate facilities will never ends well  and proven many times a complete waste of time and money, only benefiting our more progressive rivals who just take these quality players from us for very little outlay.
Our Sixfields/ council enabling land must be used to the maximum for the benefit of the club.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on October 08, 2017, 08:51:24 am
A town and catchment area the size of Northampton should be enjoying football at Championship level.  On this I agree with Beds - success has to have the foundations of reliable continuing investment combined with the infrastructure of a good stadium with modern facilities.  Add to this having your own training ground also with state of the art facilities and a player recruitment team that is more than one man and a car.  KT alone with David Bower cannot and will not deliver this but with KT plus the Chinese we may have a chance although writing this after yesterday's dismal performance watched by a large Chinese contingent I wonder what they are thinking today.  The Council also need to get off their backsides and sort out the land issues at Sixfields. The Council is serving no one including themselves well.  The message has to be you created a big part of the current problem so solve it.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Buster on October 08, 2017, 08:59:10 am
...we may make the championship some day we may end up in the conference.


Edging your bets a little with that one...


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Shoemaker on October 08, 2017, 09:22:12 am
A town and catchment area the size of Northampton should be enjoying football at Championship level.  On this I agree with Beds - success has to have the foundations of reliable continuing investment combined with the infrastructure of a good stadium with modern facilities.  Add to this having your own training ground also with state of the art facilities and a player recruitment team that is more than one man and a car.  KT alone with David Bower cannot and will not deliver this but with KT plus the Chinese we may have a chance although writing this after yesterday's dismal performance watched by a large Chinese contingent I wonder what they are thinking today.  The Council also need to get off their backsides and sort out the land issues at Sixfields. The Council is serving no one including themselves well.  The message has to be you created a big part of the current problem so solve it.
No ones really got a clue who owns what,who has invested what and what the future holds.
Is KT a money man or just a figurehead of a group of investors hoping to turn a profit.
Has KT invested himself?
Was the money running out and investment hurriedly acquired or was it really an attempt to improve the clubs fortunes?
This is beginning to seem like a stuck record to me.
Investors see an opportunity to profit from ntfc,they find its trickier than anticipated and will take a long while,if indeed at all to recover their investment or turn a profit and then the club is sold on to the next group hoping for a profit whilst the previous incumbents shuffle away.

Meanwhile there is no progress on a ground redevelopment and we are left with a dilapidated half built ground that has been mothballed.
Wouldn't it be great to actually have owners whose main objective was to invest in the club,build a new ground from scratch away from sixfields leaving the council to argue over what to do with the ground and its variously owned parcels of land?
Instead we only seem to attract owners because they are seeking a jackpot return on an investment which seems to be a pipe dream
I may well be completely biased but I still believe if we actually had wealthy owners who could pump £20M pounds into building a brand new stadium and another £10M into the team you could eventually rise to the championship and the way footballs going actually sell the club on for a substantial profit.

Instead we go round in the bargain basement with owners trying to make a few bob out of the club spending as little as possible on the ground until they can get the green light to make a profit,leaving us with at best a slightly less delapidated stadium in a best case scenario.

Oh how I wish for a proper football investor to spot a golden opportunity with ntfc and turn dreams into reality.
If the Chinese owners actually realised what an opportunity they have purchased I'd be looking for a very wealthy owner to sell onto for a substantial profit straight away.
Instead we stay at sixfields with constant arguments about a council holding back the club(you know the same council who managed to get us £10M investment and even after losing the lot refused to have the club liquidated) and fail to see any plan B.
The reason is that it takes a shrewd businessman to realise they are actually sitting on a potential goldmine but it's easy to overlook it if you yourself are unlikely to be the ones who may fully benefit financially further down the line due to lack of capital at the present time.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on October 08, 2017, 10:08:38 am
Shoemaker's comments are pipe-dreams.  Moving away from Sixfields is not going to happen.  Why the likes of this poster are impliedly supporting the Council in stating that it lent £10 million and then didn't liquidate the club is ridiculous.  There was nothing to be gained from liquidation and the situation would not have happened if the loan had been properly managed and advances under the loan only released against engineer's interim certificates for work completed.  Easy you would think. Apparently, not for NBC.  Of course there may have been another agenda but we have to leave that to those still investigating the matter. No, so far as NBC is concerned it is in it it so deep it can't get out.  Therefore, it needs to sort out the further mess it made by creating two leases over the same land and also resolve queries over the boundaries.  Our future is unfortunately tied up with NBC.

We don't know about the Chinese but for as long as they are here they are our only hope.  I think it likely that KT and David Bower have recouped whatever they invested in the club on the entry of the Chinese to their company.  We are told that what the Chinese are interested in is education.  All a bit vague but if it is to learn how to run a successful football club welcome to the school of hard knocks. 


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: BedsCobb on October 08, 2017, 14:56:29 pm
Small amounts of sustainable growth in order to gradually  grow our supporters base/ attract more visiting fans/ day trippers by on average 2000 per game attracting attendances of between 7 and 10,000  which is the least we should have for our catchment playing league 1 football.
All working closely to involve our supporters and general catchment to be part of tge growth.
Those belittling tactics used to deny our club proper redevelopment need to be ignored and perpetrators forced to step into line with our clubs needs.
We are not an insignificant football club getting in the way of some land deal.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Coolcat on October 08, 2017, 19:06:57 pm
Hi

False dreams is the problem

Wilder gave us a belief that Northampton Town might achieve something sometime in the future
but that never will happen,
We are a yo yo team bottom division for 90% of our history,
then a miracle season.....
Then never invest in the team then back to the bottom division,

The latest players brought to this club...
nobody really wanted
Where is the BIG signing,
the 15-20 goal a season striker,that is needed even to stay up.....






It doesn't even rhyme!


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 08, 2017, 21:09:10 pm
It doesn't even rhyme!

I thought that...  ;D


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: paul thompson is on October 10, 2017, 07:11:24 am
to be able to read is easy to be able to understand what is written is a gift


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: cobbler150 on October 10, 2017, 11:59:01 am
in 2 years we will be mid to bottom league 2 side.

Accept it


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: guest49 on October 10, 2017, 19:47:19 pm
Doesn't Wilder pleading "Just do the deal" and Pompey away, followed by the Market Square party seem like a generation ago?!
At least it's a lower league rollercoaster following the Cobblers. It must be very dull following someone like Stoke.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Manwork04 on October 10, 2017, 19:57:05 pm
Doesn't Wilder pleading "Just do the deal" and Pompey away, followed by the Market Square party seem like a generation ago?!
At least it's a lower league rollercoaster following the Cobblers. It must be very dull following someone like Stoke.
Sure does, all under the watch of KT.


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Baldy on October 11, 2017, 19:21:06 pm
We're s hit people with s hit lives who support a s hit club from a s hit town. That's the way it's always been. But we have our moments and it keeps us going. Come on Cobblers!


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: guest3114 on October 11, 2017, 20:12:10 pm
We're s hit people with s hit lives who support a s hit club from a s hit town. That's the way it's always been. But we have our moments and it keeps us going. Come on Cobblers!
A bit harsh, it depends who you are comparing yourself to? You might disagree if you were reading this and came from North Korea, Mogadishu or Peterborough?


Title: Re: False dreams
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 11, 2017, 20:46:58 pm
Right I blame Wilder for the mess we're in.