Title: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3063 on November 15, 2017, 16:46:56 pm Here we go again...one draw, one defeat so far.
This Saturday we meet in the league and after nine changes to the team last night we can probably expect to see the team revert to a similar line-up to last Saturday at Oxford. Doubts remain over Hoskins, Revell and Powell through injury. Matt Grimes, however, will be available again after suspension, as will Matt Ingram (not allowed to play) and Regan Poole (International duty) who also missed yesterdays game. What are peoples thoughts on this one? I'm sure both teams will be glad to see the back of each other. They don't score many but equally if they score first we could be in trouble because they don't let many in either. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2539 on November 15, 2017, 17:29:56 pm We have to create more scoring chances and goals from midfield are paramount, so I suggest the following as a starting X1
Ingram Moloney Taylor Pierre Buchanan O'Toole Poole McGugan Crooks Grimes Long Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2487 on November 15, 2017, 20:00:29 pm I like the look of VI side.
Suspect we will have some pace for a pretend winger though. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: everbrite on November 15, 2017, 20:47:53 pm I like the look of VI side. Suspect we will have some pace for a pretend winger though. Have to pick Waters for speedy outlet particularly if Powell NA. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on November 15, 2017, 21:13:49 pm Have to pick Waters for speedy outlet particularly if Powell NA. I agree. We need another pacey attacker. Waters is playing well at the moment.Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 15, 2017, 21:19:52 pm *Moloney
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 16, 2017, 07:13:32 am We have to create more scoring chances and goals from midfield are paramount, so I suggest the following as a starting X1 He won’t play that team because there is no pace in the side .Ingram Moloney Taylor Pierre Buchanan O'Toole Poole McGugan Crooks Grimes Long He will play Waters or Hoskins on the right and il be amazed if JJOT isn’t played in an advanced midfield role again . Our most talented players don’t combine to make up the best balanced team unfortunately . I do agree that JJOT is better playing deep with legs next to him . The issue is that McGugan and Grimes played very well together there at Oxford . Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: clarkeysntfc on November 16, 2017, 08:40:43 am Not sure why any changes would be made from the Oxford game.
Possibly tempting to bring Poole back in but can't say I'd take McGugan or Grimes out to accommodate him. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 16, 2017, 09:22:54 am Not sure why any changes would be made from the Oxford game. Because Powell didn’t look as though he was going to be fit but apparently is according to the Chron .Possibly tempting to bring Poole back in but can't say I'd take McGugan or Grimes out to accommodate him. You might also want to accommodate Crooks / Poole and I dont think JJOT works playing behind the front player . Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: clarkeysntfc on November 16, 2017, 12:01:55 pm OK fair comment re Powell.
I'd play Smith if he isn't fit. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: The Rauldinho on November 16, 2017, 12:16:45 pm I would like:
Ingram Moloney Ash Pierre Buchs McWilliams JJOT Powell McGugan Grimes Long But think we'll end up with: Ingram Moloney Ash Pierre Buchs McGugan Grimes Waters JJOT Powell Long McWilliams needs to be playing but not at RB. Poole seems a bit of a luxury with everyone fit again, and it is hard to fit Crooks straight back in without taking away some width. For me, we need to be playing our players over loan ones as much as we can, hence leaving Poole out for now as he isn't needed at CB (what JED signed him for). Nice to have a selection headache rather than forcing people into unfamiliar roles though. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Poggy on November 16, 2017, 12:24:58 pm I'd play the same team that started vs. Oxford.
Replace Crooks for Powell if he isn't fit. We're close to getting our strongest side out and we should have a good chance of winning this game. I'm not reading in to Tuesday's defeat too much. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 16, 2017, 22:28:15 pm I would like: Exactly my choice of side and I agree with you on who he will actually pick.Ingram Moloney Ash Pierre Buchs McWilliams JJOT Powell McGugan Grimes Long But think we'll end up with: Ingram Moloney Ash Pierre Buchs McGugan Grimes Waters JJOT Powell Long McWilliams needs to be playing but not at RB. Poole seems a bit of a luxury with everyone fit again, and it is hard to fit Crooks straight back in without taking away some width. For me, we need to be playing our players over loan ones as much as we can, hence leaving Poole out for now as he isn't needed at CB (what JED signed him for). Nice to have a selection headache rather than forcing people into unfamiliar roles though. Crooks could possibly replace JJOT though behind the front man Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Gen.Disorda on November 16, 2017, 22:45:09 pm For me Either John Joe or Mcwilliams need to start in midfield, We are so much more combative when they are playing.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: everbrite on November 16, 2017, 23:02:01 pm For me Either John Joe or Mcwilliams need to start in midfield, We are so much more combative when they are playing. Unfortunately McW had at best a mediocre game at Sc***horpe in the Cup! Would have thought the best he can hope for is on the bench possible 2nd choice after Foley? Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Wolvo on November 17, 2017, 07:45:29 am Unfortunately McW had at best a mediocre game at Sc***horpe in the Cup! Would have thought the best he can hope for is on the bench possible 2nd choice after Foley? You'd have Foley first choice? Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: clarkeysntfc on November 17, 2017, 08:34:33 am As with many youngsters, McWilliams will need to dip in and out of the starting XI as he builds himself up to the finished article.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: everbrite on November 17, 2017, 09:19:32 am You'd have Foley first choice? I said possibly and both not good enough for first team based on current form. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Quintonside on November 17, 2017, 10:48:48 am starting point will be the team that played oxford, if all fit.
If Powell is injured, Poole in and McGugan advanced. Possibly Crooks in for O'Toole depending on preference of JFH and fitness. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Vintage Cobbler on November 17, 2017, 11:15:00 am It does look like JFH is still having to manage JJOT's fitness. He is nowhere back to being 100%.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: The Rauldinho on November 17, 2017, 11:23:42 am Unfortunately McW had at best a mediocre game at Sc***horpe in the Cup! Would have thought the best he can hope for is on the bench possible 2nd choice after Foley? What position did he play in the Cup? Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Quintonside on November 17, 2017, 12:06:28 pm I like McWilliams and its good that we have a talented lad who has come through the academy and is getting his chance.
But what is his role/position. He isn't quite the enforcer, which is what Poole gets used for, but nor is he the playmaker that Grimes is. He covered well at right back, but not sure that's the long term plan for him. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: everbrite on November 17, 2017, 14:07:59 pm What position did he play in the Cup? @ Sc***horpe RB Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: The Rauldinho on November 17, 2017, 14:24:48 pm I like McWilliams and its good that we have a talented lad who has come through the academy and is getting his chance. But what is his role/position. He isn't quite the enforcer, which is what Poole gets used for, but nor is he the playmaker that Grimes is. He covered well at right back, but not sure that's the long term plan for him. He is a central midfielder, I think he is covers both the tough tackling side of the game and the breaking forward pretty well. But like any nurturing talent, he needs games at this level to find himself. He has played RB before, hence his covering spell there, but I think that is a bit of a disservice to him if we cannot fit him into our midfield. I would certainly have him ahead of most in our midfield pack, I would also rather see our own get games over loan talent (although appreciate that is difficult whilst we are near the bottom end of the league). Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: The Rauldinho on November 17, 2017, 14:26:11 pm @ Sc***horpe RB There you go. A central midfielder covering at right back because he played there a bit when he was younger, and you judge this performance on his ability to play in the middle? I think that's a little unfair, he has certainly offered more than Foley/Kasim this year. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: everbrite on November 17, 2017, 14:34:48 pm There you go. A central midfielder covering at right back because he played there a bit when he was younger, and you judge this performance on his ability to play in the middle? I think that's a little unfair, he has certainly offered more than Foley/Kasim this year. He is promising that’s well documented. His performance at Iron was disappointing compared with that at Gillingham. You think he is wonderful; I don’t yet! Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 17, 2017, 15:30:32 pm ........I would certainly have him ahead of most in our midfield pack, I would also rather see our own get games over loan talent (although appreciate that is difficult whilst we are near the bottom end of the league). I wouldn't agree with that, when he becomes good enough to be 'ahead of most of our midfield' I would play him. He isn't just yet but he has fantastic potential. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Quintonside on November 17, 2017, 15:33:22 pm Kasim is useless.
Foley is another where I'm not sure what he is. If you find a centre mid who does it all, then they wont be sitting in L1 for very long. Even in the top divisions the days of Vieira and Keane type midfielders are long gone. I too agree McW needs to be playing games, but when you look at each position on its own in isolation in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Where is he first choice at the moment? Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: The Rauldinho on November 17, 2017, 15:40:36 pm Kasim is useless. Foley is another where I'm not sure what he is. If you find a centre mid who does it all, then they wont be sitting in L1 for very long. Even in the top divisions the days of Vieira and Keane type midfielders are long gone. I too agree McW needs to be playing games, but when you look at each position on its own in isolation in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Where is he first choice at the moment? I would have him as one of the "2", preferably alongside JJOT. the problem we have at the minute he we have some very good players in that area (Poole, Grimes,Crooks, McGugan) so I understand people may want to go with those options. I would prefer to play him and develop him above players that we have on loan, as he can be part of our immediate success (I think) and also generate some money for us if he needs to move on when ready, whereas Poole and Grimes seem destined for either higher league loans or involved in the squad at their clubs. Is he first choice or not? Have to see who JFH plays in the next few weeks, I think his answer would be no at the moment. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: DrillingCobbler on November 17, 2017, 15:51:10 pm Our midfield is a tough one to piece together!
Crooks and JJ are 'on paper' our best midfield partnership since Parrish and Hunter. That was 20 years ago. Thats surely the way to go so thats 2 of the midfield 3 sorted. You've got to start McGugan, no debate. Sorry; I won't hear anybody's argument to stick him on the bench! ;) You've then got the *need for a winger/pace. Thats one of Powell/Hoskins/Waters. You've also got to pick Ingram! Which does leave the question, where does young McWilliams and the on-loan Poole fit in. When they are all fit, Foley must continue to bide his time whilst the rest of them are surplus to requirements as things stand. With that in mind, Id be playing McWilliams in the right back slot, BM isn't the terrific 'bombing down the line' player he was last season and before. And McWilliams needs games to develop. He could 'go all the way'…. Tough one, especially now that the run of Sat-Tue-Sat games is almost at an end. At least with the midweek games JFH has a good reason to juggle things about to keep them all happy, Sat-Sat makes that task much harder! But for now, and with Plymouth away on Tuesday he can still juggle things around a little to keep things fresh. Really looking forward to the game tomorrow, I reckon we will win by 2 goals…3-1 Im going for. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3063 on November 17, 2017, 16:06:05 pm Our midfield is a tough one to piece together! Crooks and JJ are 'on paper' our best midfield partnership since Parrish and Hunter. That was 20 years ago. Thats surely the way to go so thats 2 of the midfield 3 sorted. You've got to start McGugan, no debate. Sorry; I won't hear anybody's argument to stick him on the bench! ;) You've then got the *need for a winger/pace. Thats one of Powell/Hoskins/Waters. You've also got to pick Ingram! Which does leave the question, where does young McWilliams and the on-loan Poole fit in. When they are all fit, Foley must continue to bide his time whilst the rest of them are surplus to requirements as things stand. With that in mind, Id be playing McWilliams in the right back slot, BM isn't the terrific 'bombing down the line' player he was last season and before. And McWilliams needs games to develop. He could 'go all the way'…. Tough one, especially now that the run of Sat-Tue-Sat games is almost at an end. At least with the midweek games JFH has a good reason to juggle things about to keep them all happy, Sat-Sat makes that task much harder! But for now, and with Plymouth away on Tuesday he can still juggle things around a little to keep things fresh. Really looking forward to the game tomorrow, I reckon we will win by 2 goals…3-1 Im going for. And where does Grimes fit in to all this? McGugan and Grimes link up really well together, then it's either JJOT or Crooks in the more advanced role. No place for McWilliams, Foley, Poole or Kasim. Wide players Hoskins and Powell with Waters and Bowditch as backup. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 17, 2017, 16:17:14 pm It’s all about balance in the midfield as opposed to picking the best 5 players .
You need a combination of skill ( Crooks , Grimes , McGugan ) , strength ( JJOT ) , legs ( Poole , mcWilliams , Foley ) and speed ( Powell , Hoskins , Waters ). That’s why it’s hard to fit Crooks , Grimes , JJOT and McGugan in the same team. Having said that , it would be good to see ! JFH also likes to use one of them as a target man . Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3063 on November 17, 2017, 16:18:22 pm And where does Grimes fit in to all this? McGugan and Grimes link up really well together, then it's either JJOT or Crooks in the more advanced role. No place for McWilliams, Foley, Poole or Kasim. Wide players Hoskins and Powell with Waters and Bowditch as backup. I would add that McWilliams can cover at right back but with Phillips closing in on fitness, not for long! Poole can cover centre half also, but with the signing of McGivern this doesn't look like happening. Smith and Hanley are not good enough to be played as wingers. Smith can be a decent cover at left back, but again McGivern can do that job and with Barnett fit again I wonder if we really need McGivern at all. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Quintonside on November 17, 2017, 16:18:45 pm The joys of having 200 centre midfielders and 1 proper attacking wide player
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Quintonside on November 17, 2017, 16:20:27 pm I would add that McWilliams can cover at right back but with Phillips closing in on fitness, not for long! Poole can cover centre half also, but with the signing of McGivern this doesn't look like happening. Smith and Hanley are not good enough to be played as wingers. Smith can be a decent cover at left back, but again McGivern can do that job and with Barnett fit again I wonder if we really need McGivern at all. He is only here until January anyway Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3063 on November 17, 2017, 16:35:48 pm He is only here until January anyway Some things may change come January. I'm sure Man Utd are monitoring Poole's loan spell, if they don't think he is getting enough games or more importantly in the position they see him playing for them (they may see him as a centre half) they will cancel the loan and send him somewhere else. Also, I have a feeling Matt Ingram will be recalled in January. It was strange he wasn't allowed to play in the cup and the reason for the return of Luke Coddington. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 17, 2017, 17:01:59 pm You wouldn’t want to lose any of the players we have on loan in January .
I can’t remember which ones are here for the season and which ones could go back ? They all look like they are enjoying their time though and are pulling their weight . Long could be a bit frustrated playing the loan striker role but at least he is a first choice . Maybe some would sign permanently ? Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3063 on November 17, 2017, 19:07:17 pm You wouldn’t want to lose any of the players we have on loan in January . I can’t remember which ones are here for the season and which ones could go back ? They all look like they are enjoying their time though and are pulling their weight . Long could be a bit frustrated playing the loan striker role but at least he is a first choice . Maybe some would sign permanently ? They all are season long loans. Matt Ingram's loan definitely involves a recall in January if QPR wish. Don't know if any of the other loans have this same recall in place, I would imagine Regan Poole's could, simply because he's a young player who may not get the required number of games his parent club are looking for. Chris Long and Matt Grimes possibly not, although it could be written in all long term loans. The last thing the parent club wants is for their player to be out on loan but not getting games to help their development. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3114 on November 17, 2017, 20:37:24 pm Does anyone else think like me in so much as if we win this game we will start becoming play off contenders? Or do I need to stay off the drugs? I tell you one thing though, I’ve got to stay off the 150 lashes. A 2am kick off and beer is not a good combo. Woke up after the Oxford game on me sofa in my pants covered in the large bag of Cheetos I’d brought special.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 17, 2017, 21:09:01 pm They all are season long loans. To be fair , the parent clubs must be pretty happy with how much game time their players have had .Matt Ingram's loan definitely involves a recall in January if QPR wish. Don't know if any of the other loans have this same recall in place, I would imagine Regan Poole's could, simply because he's a young player who may not get the required number of games his parent club are looking for. Chris Long and Matt Grimes possibly not, although it could be written in all long term loans. The last thing the parent club wants is for their player to be out on loan but not getting games to help their development. These are the best loans we have had since the days of Stuart Gray. Credit has to go to JED for that . Even Ingram was his decision Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 17, 2017, 23:18:23 pm Even Ingram was his decision Really? Given that JFH was manager at QPR, I would doubt that.Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2677 on November 18, 2017, 08:42:56 am Does anyone else think like me in so much as if we win this game we will start becoming play off contenders? Or do I need to stay off the drugs? I tell you one thing though, I’ve got to stay off the 150 lashes. A 2am kick off and beer is not a good combo. Woke up after the Oxford game on me sofa in my pants covered in the large bag of Cheetos I’d brought special. Deffo playoff contenders, and with that start time I should stay on anything that helps.Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on November 18, 2017, 09:20:39 am He is a central midfielder, I think he is covers both the tough tackling side of the game and the breaking forward pretty well. But like any nurturing talent, he needs games at this level to find himself. So would you have him ahead of Grimes, McGugan, Crooks, Poole and JJOT i.e most of our midfield pack?He has played RB before, hence his covering spell there, but I think that is a bit of a disservice to him if we cannot fit him into our midfield. I would certainly have him ahead of most in our midfield pack, I would also rather see our own get games over loan talent (although appreciate that is difficult whilst we are near the bottom end of the league). Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Buster on November 18, 2017, 10:11:06 am Coincidentally, ours and Sc***horpe’s last 8 league results are identical - even the order: WWWDLLLD
So a draw it is then Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 18, 2017, 13:01:05 pm (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO64G_OX4AIV1N3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 18, 2017, 13:07:54 pm Really? Given that JFH was manager at QPR, I would doubt that. I can assure you it was JEDs decision to sign Ingram not JFH. Fact.Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on November 18, 2017, 13:14:40 pm (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO64G_OX4AIV1N3.jpg) I would say that is our strongest 11 possible! 3 points come on boys! ! Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Irchy cob on November 18, 2017, 13:22:46 pm It is probably our strongest 11 in terms of ability/ talent but it isn’t particularly balanced - no real width or pace but we’ve got to hope that the creativity wins out.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 18, 2017, 13:23:31 pm A team with Grimes, McGugan, O'Toole and Crooks is pretty amazing in my time of watching Northampton. Shame they all play in the same position. Hopefully Jimmy and the players can make it work!
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3114 on November 18, 2017, 13:29:43 pm Morning all.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:04:52 pm No Baldy again...partimer..
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:05:38 pm I like the line up today..Cmon Town!!!
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Madrid Cobbler on November 18, 2017, 14:13:54 pm No option on my PC to watch game on ifollow today. Anyone else having the same problem?
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:15:33 pm They're all over us right now
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:19:29 pm No option on my PC to watch game on ifollow today. Anyone else having the same problem? Nah I'm watching it. The connection is iffy but its on.Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:24:18 pm We 're getting back into it here..
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:27:35 pm Waters gets into good spaces but is woeful in front of goal.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 14:28:27 pm No Baldy again...partimer.. Hello. We've been to view a property.Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:29:12 pm Almost a howler from their keeper but just keeps it out..
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:30:01 pm Hello. We've been to view a property. a very poor excuse..Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 14:30:41 pm No Revmeister again then.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:32:09 pm No Revmeister again then. Disappointing, he's our Hero..Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Shoemaker on November 18, 2017, 14:32:19 pm No Revmeister again then. Poor old revsHe’ll be out the door come January Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: singcobb on November 18, 2017, 14:33:09 pm Hello. We've been to view a property. If they wanted to sell the house they would have shown it to you this morning. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 14:33:38 pm Disappointing, he's our Hero.. He's the greatest.Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:34:37 pm We're playing very good here..JJOT and the McGugmeister dominating midfield
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 14:34:43 pm If they wanted to sell the house they would have shown it to you this morning. You're right. We'll stay where we are then.Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: singcobb on November 18, 2017, 14:35:36 pm Poor old revs He’ll be out the door come January think it would be the best for him, at least somewhere else he would get some game time Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:36:21 pm think it would be the best for him, at least somewhere else he would get some game time The Reekmeister will be off as well I think..Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 14:37:34 pm think it would be the best for him, at least somewhere else he would get some game time You're right. Wherever he moves to we'll move there then.Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on November 18, 2017, 14:38:04 pm Need a goal while we are on top!
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: singcobb on November 18, 2017, 14:39:01 pm You're right. We'll stay where we are then. Which is closer to Sixfields? Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 14:40:46 pm Which is closer to Sixfields? The place we've looked at by 5 miles. Right, the move's back on then.Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:44:36 pm The place we've looked at by 5 miles. Right, the move's back on then. Good call..Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: singcobb on November 18, 2017, 14:45:53 pm The place we've looked at by 5 miles. Right, the move's back on then. Good to see common sense prevailing Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:47:11 pm Foley on for an injured JJOT
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 14:49:23 pm 0-0 HT
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 14:51:44 pm We've just made an offer on the house at the asking price on the proviso that The Revmeister moves to Sheringham Town in the transfer window. Sorted.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: WasRambo on November 18, 2017, 14:53:37 pm Afternoon. Hope JJ isnt too damaged.
As soon as we start to clear the injuries, the cycle starts again.... Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:00:00 pm We've just made an offer on the house at the asking price on the proviso that The Revmeister moves to Sheringham Town in the transfer window. Sorted. I've just heard that the Revmeister was looking at nearby houses in Cromer..You could be onto something here. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Irchy cob on November 18, 2017, 15:00:28 pm Afternoon. Hope JJ isnt too damaged. As soon as we start to clear the injuries, the cycle starts again.... It didn’t look too clever to me - couldn’t work out if it was a twist to his ankle or knee. Someone on Twitter said it looked like a dead leg but it looked worse than that. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 15:05:10 pm I've just heard that the Revmeister was looking at nearby houses in Cromer.. ;DYou could be onto something here. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:06:03 pm Atd 5181...308 Scunnies
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:06:45 pm Pierres made at least 2 or 3 key tackles
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:10:00 pm We've started off slowly again
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:15:39 pm I'm starting to get a horrible feeling here..
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:16:02 pm 0-1 Drat
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: WasRambo on November 18, 2017, 15:16:27 pm Ffs
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 15:16:40 pm Sack 'em all!!!
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:17:06 pm We've completely lost it since JJ came off.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:18:18 pm 0-2 Game over..
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 15:18:37 pm I blame Bingers!
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Madrid Cobbler on November 18, 2017, 15:19:05 pm Received a msg that there are probs with ifollow video so I can only listen to commentary. Is it me or does it seem that every time O'Toole doesn't play/goes off we stop being able to dominate other teams.
Suddenly 2-0 down! Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: WasRambo on November 18, 2017, 15:20:11 pm Wtf
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:21:36 pm Back in the relegation zone
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:26:18 pm I've lost the video as well. Probably a blessing in disguise. We were awful..
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:29:29 pm I blame cj and Glasto
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Benji on November 18, 2017, 15:30:19 pm We've completely lost it since JJ came off. Same as always no JJOT and the team falls apartTitle: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:33:30 pm We have 4 huge games coming up..
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 15:34:04 pm Sweet Jesus!
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:34:09 pm 0-3 FFS pathetic.
Hass OUT!!!!! Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 18, 2017, 15:36:19 pm I'm done this week.
We could be 4 or 5 down..We've just given up. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Baldy on November 18, 2017, 15:39:44 pm I'm done this week. Part timer!We could be 4 or 5 down..We've just given up. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on November 18, 2017, 15:39:51 pm Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 18, 2017, 15:44:07 pm I’m glad we rested our big guns in the Cup game.....it’s worked a treat hasn’t it?!
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: WasRambo on November 18, 2017, 16:02:25 pm Pretty dreadful result. All blew up after we lost JJ
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3103 on November 18, 2017, 16:14:24 pm All blew up after we lost JJ I'm not sure about that, I mean we missed JJ immensely but we'd lost our grip 5 mins before that. From my POV we were playing some lovely passing football, spreading the ball around, Grimes and McGugan dominating and then Hasselbaink had a go at them for not getting the ball forward quick enough and it seemed to unravel after that. To be fair I was not paying attention to how Sc***horpe were lining up, I'm not sure if they changed it. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 18, 2017, 16:29:42 pm JFH got it right in his interview - we had decent spells in this game but were not at it throughout the second half .
Too many players went missing in the midfield and we couldn’t retain the ball. McGugan , Waters , Crooks and foley all faded to nothing . The referee and Lino were poor but so were we in the second half. We had two gilt chances and we didn’t take them in the first half and as soon as JJOT went off , we lost the cohesion . The big difference between them and us was pace . They had it all over the pitch and we had very little . MOM was Taylor by a country mile . Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Cobbler78 on November 18, 2017, 16:38:43 pm Baffled by the berks in the West Stand having a go at the Lino, he got every offside spot one, both their breakaway goals were at least a yard onside. The foul for their 1st goal by Crooks was dubious, but if roles were reversed we would have called for a free kick.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2487 on November 18, 2017, 16:40:52 pm Losing JJOT changed the game imo. Also replacing him with Foley instead of McWilliams or Poole was a mistake. If we'd have scored when on top it might have been a different outcome.
Thought Sc***horpe were okay, not amazing or anything but we made it easy for them in the 2nd half. Certainly not a class above us or anything. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Cobbler78 on November 18, 2017, 16:49:56 pm Losing JJOT changed the game imo. Also replacing him with Foley instead of McWilliams or Poole was a mistake. If we'd have scored when on top it might have been a different outcome. Agree, putting Foley up front was madness, Rico should have come on as Long can’t play up front on his own. The most worrying thing was after JJOT went off we won nothing from goalkicks with Long and Foley up front, but not once did JFH or the players think to play it out on the floor from the back. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 18, 2017, 17:01:11 pm Baffled by the berks in the West Stand having a go at the Lino, he got every offside spot one, both their breakaway goals were at least a yard onside. The foul for their 1st goal by Crooks was dubious, but if roles were reversed we would have called for a free kick. Wrong . The second goal was 3 yards off side . The Lino was not in line with play .Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Cobbler78 on November 18, 2017, 17:02:42 pm Wrong . The second goal was 3 yards off side . The Lino was not in line with play . I’ll await your apology when you see the replay. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3063 on November 18, 2017, 17:29:43 pm Just a point, some are suggesting Foley came on as a striker to replace JJOT. Neither were playing as strikers, they were in the hole between Long and the midfield to attempt to win headers and link the play. JFH did experiment with Crooks in the hole and Foley on the left at the start of the 2nd half but soon abandoned it. In hindsight Rico may have been a better choice at least he would of given McArdle something to think about, as it was he just headed and kicked everything as he always seems to do against us.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2677 on November 18, 2017, 17:35:21 pm It's worrying to me that we went two down and Jim sits on his hands and does nothing by way of substitutions whilst Scunny are the proactive ones making two changes before Bowditch comes on (who's cameo was good I thought). True there's not too many options on today's bench but we have a huge squad and it's the managers job to be creative and change things when required.
I agree that McWilliams should have replaced JJ, with Grimes or Mcgugan being pushed further forward. I also think there's an argument for playing the pair of them further forward from the start. Scunny are a well drilled team who know their individual and team responsibilities but no more. we made them look good today. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Bertie on November 18, 2017, 17:46:07 pm Finished the first half well and just about had the better of it, despite a dodgy first 10 minutes. But just got blown away in the 2nd half. Didn't think JJOT was having a great game but we seemed to unravel after he went off. Foley very lightweight as a replacement and with him and Long both going awol at every opportunity the ball just came straight back every time it was pumped forward. Scunny used the wings very well and just bypassed our midfield big guns. Crooks wasted at wide left, and wonder if Grimes and McGugan can play together in that formation. We have good players, but not a team.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: defender on November 18, 2017, 18:14:48 pm What a load off crap Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Vintage Cobbler on November 18, 2017, 18:25:25 pm JJOT was imposing himself physically on the game and this provided the space for McCugan, Grimes & Crooks to move the ball around. The injury to JJOT was the turning point. I'm afraid JFH got it badly wrong in putting on Foley in preference to Poole or McWilliams. That doesn't explain it all though since midfield went missing in the 2nd half after looking good for much of the 1st half. Up front both Long & Waters struggled and Long missed a very good chance at 0-2 with 20 minutes to go.
So once again we struggled against a top 7 side in this league. The next 2 matches will be telling. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: BackOfTheNet on November 18, 2017, 18:52:44 pm I don't think you'll ever see a more vivid illustration of what JJOT brings to the team than today's match. First half, I thought we were great. Yes, we should have put a couple away, but we created multiple chances and played some of the best football I've seen us play in ages.
And JJOT was the fulcrum of all of it. He won the ball time and again and then played the simple pass to bring other people into play. When he didn't have the ball, he bullied and harassed and made room for others to do their thing; as a result Grimes, McGugan and Waters flourished under the protection he gave them. Once he went off, all fluidity went out of our play. The 3 previously mentioned players all but vanished out of the game and we resorted to hoofing the ball down the field. It's worrying how reliant we are on one player, and from the look of how he hobbled off, I fear for us in the next few matches... Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 18, 2017, 18:55:20 pm So many posts on here and on FB saying we put our strongest team out today....we lose one player and go totally to pot!
Is that the definition of a strong team?? Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Quintonside on November 18, 2017, 19:28:20 pm Love JJOT and he did play well, but if he was so amazing as the big love in on here suggests he would of tucked that header away in the first half and we’d of been 1-0 up.
Thought Long was poor second half, I know he didn’t have much to go on, but he didn’t put himself about much and didn’t put their back four under pressure at all, and then he fluffs his big chance. Feel sorry for Buchs, he so needs a proper wide man in front of him! Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Irchy cob on November 18, 2017, 19:56:42 pm It's an absolutely massive week coming up - jfh is going to have to come up with a new plan in the absence of jjot. Hopefully Powell will be fit for Plymouth which will help with us being able to play in the break - god knows what he's going to do to replace John-joe.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: everbrite on November 18, 2017, 21:50:23 pm It's an absolutely massive week coming up - jfh is going to have to come up with a new plan in the absence of jjot. Hopefully Powell will be fit for Plymouth which will help with us being able to play in the break - god knows what he's going to do to replace John-joe. After todays result that is now very true. Ist half we were good, but we missed at least two decent opportunities. 2nd half we couldn't get going and unfortunately it was a performance reminiscent of the early days of the season. I found it hard to equate today's performance with that of Oxford let alone the second half of the recent cup game where we had a virtual reserve side out! And Oxford won 4-0 away! What we and JFH think is our best side appears on today's showing in agreement, but unbalanced. For once I don't agree with the plaudits JJOT received today; he was committing himself to some reckless tackles and to me he is not yet back to his form of last season. I thought the intro of Foley was a disappointing moment and he had little or no effect on the game. Still it was JFH decision ; maybe Powell or McW might have been more effective? Makes you worry about the next 2 games! Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: the grumpy old man on November 18, 2017, 21:53:05 pm Tim Oglethorpe said he spoke to JJOT who told him he didn't think the injury was too bad, it's his ankle, and he didn't expect to be out long. We certainly missed him second half.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2487 on November 18, 2017, 22:32:21 pm After todays result that is now very true. Ist half we were good, but we missed at least two decent opportunities. 2nd half we couldn't get going and unfortunately it was a performance reminiscent of the early days of the season. I found it hard to equate today's performance with that of Oxford let alone the second half of the recent cup game where we had a virtual reserve side out! And Oxford won 4-0 away! What we and JFH think is our best side appears on today's showing in agreement, but unbalanced. For once I don't agree with the plaudits JJOT received today; he was committing himself to some reckless tackles and to me he is not yet back to his form of last season. I thought the intro of Foley was a disappointing moment and he had little or no effect on the game. Still it was JFH decision ; maybe Powell or McW might have been more effective? Makes you worry about the next 2 games! That's JJOT though, tackles wise it's what he does. He annoys the opposition and gets in their faces. None of the other do.... Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: SteveRiches on November 19, 2017, 05:07:12 am If you field a side without strikers of ability then you can't win matches. It's been a glaring problem for ages.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: ajp on November 19, 2017, 05:10:55 am Actually Long is a half decent striker, he missed (it was a bad miss) one chance yesterday can't remember him having any others?, the problem is we're not creating anything for him! Two wingers in Jan maybe?
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Irchy cob on November 19, 2017, 06:52:55 am We are all abundantly aware but the damning stat that we have only scored 6 goals in 9 home games (and 9 in 9 away games for that matter) says it all. There have been times in many of those home games when I've sat there thinking in the second half that we wouldn't score a goal if we had been out there until midnight. Our biggest problem - apart from the obvious lack of goals - is the apparent lack of leadership and the way we completely collapse when we experience adversity (mostly at home), why that is I have no idea but worryingly neither it seems does JFH.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 19, 2017, 07:13:34 am If you field a side without strikers of ability then you can't win matches. It's been a glaring problem for ages. If only we had a Young striker we could give an opportunity to in the absence of goals........hang on we do and he's scored about 15 or so whilst out on loan. #getjoeback Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Vintage Cobbler on November 19, 2017, 07:24:05 am True, Irchy. Whilst I think JFH made the wrong choice with Foley it doesn't explain why we endured another 2nd half collapse. In the 2nd half I think it was the 81st minute before we had one shot on target and that highlights a major problem area. Part of the problem has to be the type of players that make up a balanced midfield. Possibly you can only play 2 out of McCugan, Grimes and Crooks, none of whom are what you can describe as ball winners. To me that is a major problem. Steve Riches is right in highlighting the failure of the club for the past 2 years to sign a proven striker. I say club because it is not only down to the manager at the time although signing Revell when we have Richards and Waters when we have Hoskins is the football equivalent of cloning and has given JFH a huge problem.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Irchy cob on November 19, 2017, 07:41:43 am True, Irchy. Whilst I think JFH made the wrong choice with Foley it doesn't explain why we endured another 2nd half collapse. In the 2nd half I think it was the 81st minute before we had one shot on target and that highlights a major problem area. Part of the problem has to be the type of players that make up a balanced midfield. Possibly you can only play 2 out of McCugan, Grimes and Crooks, none of whom are what you can describe as ball winners. To me that is a major problem. Steve Riches is right in highlighting the failure of the club for the past 2 years to sign a proven striker. I say club because it is not only down to the manager at the time although signing Revell when we have Richards and Waters when we have Hoskins is the football equivalent of cloning and has given JFH a huge problem. Agreed - I know hindsight is 20/20 but foley going on for jjot was possibly the last of the options that should have been used. I was very surprised that Poole didn’t come on and even more surprised that foley was played where he was. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Buster on November 19, 2017, 07:50:47 am Little credit seems to be given to Sc***horpe on here. They have pace and possibly the trickiest little player in the division in Duane Holmes, who incidentally was onside for their 2nd. His quickness also foxed Ingram for their third. To top it all they are the team bang in form right now - maybe we were just unlucky enough to have met them at the worst time...
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-one/form-guide/four Title: ! Post by: SteveRiches on November 19, 2017, 09:19:36 am Actually Long is a half decent striker, he missed (it was a bad miss) one chance yesterday can't remember him having any others?, the problem is we're not creating anything for him! Two wingers in Jan maybe? Correct - he's HALF decent!Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on November 19, 2017, 09:51:08 am Having watched both the Oxford game and yesterday's game I would say that the first half performance against the Irons was as good as the performance against Oxford. In both games we started slowly but gradually came into it and started bossing the midfield with some stunning passes from Grimes and McGughan. We certainly created enough changes first half to have taken the lead going into the break.
The big difference however was the opposition. While Oxford liked to keep possession they lacked the pace and athleticism of Sc***horpe so the team we put out was easily good enough to nullify the threat. However against Sc***horpe, JFH simply picked the wrong team which became evident in the second half when we were completely overrun. We needed the energy of McWilliams and some width on the left to provide an out ball. Crooks was poor in the position he was asked to play, Foley didn't really get in the game, and McGuchan faded badly. I don't know how Plymouth play but JFH must simply pick the side that nullifies the opposition and then hope there is enough quality in the team to make and take the few chances needed to win the game, Expect to see McWiliams, Poole and possibly Powell back in the team and go for a better balanced set up. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 19, 2017, 10:06:13 am Having watched both the Oxford game and yesterday's game I would say that the first half performance against the Irons was as good as the performance against Oxford. In both games we started slowly but gradually came into it and started bossing the midfield with some stunning passes from Grimes and McGughan. We certainly created enough changes first half to have taken the lead going into the break. The big difference however was the opposition. While Oxford liked to keep possession they lacked the pace and athleticism of Sc***horpe so the team we put out was easily good enough to nullify the threat. However against Sc***horpe, JFH simply picked the wrong team which became evident in the second half when we were completely overrun. We needed the energy of McWilliams and some width on the left to provide an out ball. Crooks was poor in the position he was asked to play, Foley didn't really get in the game, and McGuchan faded badly. I don't know how Plymouth play but JFH must simply pick the side that nullifies the opposition and then hope there is enough quality in the team to make and take the few chances needed to win the game, Expect to see McWiliams, Poole and possibly Powell back in the team and go for a better balanced set up. I wasn't at yesterday's game but we started like a souped up drag racer at Oxford, they didn't get out of their half for the first 15-20 minutes. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: DrillingCobbler on November 19, 2017, 12:17:40 pm Yes, too right Deepcut. We could have been 4-0 up after 20 minutes (at Oxford)!
With regards to yesterday. It was our strongest side fielded this season, and I felt first half (first 10 minutes aside) it showed. We looked more than a match for the (now) 4th best team in the division and played some lovely football, creating a handful of chances. The stats at half time supported this, Sc***horpe hadn't managed a single shot other than the one DB cleared off the line and hadn't even won a corner. Then JJ went off injured… Crooks, he had dominated the his opponent throughout, moved into the centre and disappeared. Foley may well have not even been there. Waters, who was in my opinion our best player in the first half was totally nullified and McGugan barely touched the ball. Essentially the midfield battle which we easily won in the first half was completely lost as a result of one player going off and the reshuffle that resulted in it. In hindsight (was that needed though?) Poole should have come on, straight swap. Or even our young prodigy. Would we have capitulated if that had happened? Who knows. It was the same when we played them in the cup as well (first time). JJ was subbed, we totally lost our way. Which does provide more evidence that when JJ isn't involved, we are far less effective as a team. And thats even the case when JJ isn't even playing that well. He was alright yesterday (7 out of 10) but nothing standout but his sheer presence is so important to the team. I guess we will find out next week if we can replace him , after all we did dine out on Crooks involvement in the early days of JFH's tenure. As soon as he got suspended/injured we fell apart…until JJ came back into the fold. As for the calls to play the young kid on loan at Chesham, I'm pretty certain that if he'd have played yesterday instead of Long we'd have still lost 3-0. That really wasn't the issue. But with this one up front malarky, the player at the top of the Christmas tree needs to possess pace and power. Long has the pace but not the power. And Rico has the power but nothing else these days. Ditto Revs. We have to find 'the complete league1 striker' in January IF we are to move up the league. And of course we need another winger. Yesterday showed once more that its those two areas, and our reliance on JJ where we currently sit with things. Nothings changed from Oxford, if we'd taken one of those first half chances and if JJ hadn't of got injured, we'd probably have won or at least took a point. We go again on Tuesday! Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Irchy cob on November 19, 2017, 13:19:52 pm Can’t really argue with much of that drilling. On the subject of January I thought Chris freestone made a valid point when he said that wanting a quality striker and 1 or 2 wide players is one thing but getting them is another. Who is going to want to lose a prolific striker in January when their side is likely to be fighting relegation or going for promotion/the playoffs? I know money talks but if you factor in that much bigger clubs than us are going to be looking at the market it’s going to be more difficult than we think. What I think may happen is that we’ll look at either the foreign/loan market rather than permanent and then it becomes a bit of a lottery.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Wolvo on November 19, 2017, 13:30:22 pm Can’t really argue with much of that drilling. On the subject of January I thought Chris freestone made a valid point when he said that wanting a quality striker and 1 or 2 wide players is one thing but getting them is another. Who is going to want to lose a prolific striker in January when their side is likely to be fighting relegation or going for promotion/the playoffs? I know money talks but if you factor in that much bigger clubs than us are going to be looking at the market it’s going to be more difficult than we think. What I think may happen is that we’ll look at either the foreign/loan market rather than permanent and then it becomes a bit of a lottery. I'd argue that signing any striker at our level is a lottery. But I think we'd be looking at strikers in the championship who are maybe on the fringes of the first team... plenty out there. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: BrixworthCobbler on November 19, 2017, 13:34:26 pm Crooks was woefeul, I've not been to all the games this year but every single one I have been to this guy has never impressed me.
Does he even care? The least interested looking player I've seen for a long time. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 19, 2017, 13:57:55 pm I wonder if he might have a striker from the Dutch league lined up as a quick fix till the end of the season?
Title: Re: ! Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on November 19, 2017, 14:43:58 pm Correct - he's HALF decent! Long is crying out for someone with a bit of pace to play alongside him Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 19, 2017, 15:03:38 pm Crooks was woefeul, I've not been to all the games this year but every single one I have been to this guy has never impressed me. Does he even care? The least interested looking player I've seen for a long time. Ha. I bet you were saying the exact same about O'Toole in November 2014? Sensationalism. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2487 on November 19, 2017, 15:32:48 pm Ha. I bet you were saying the exact same about O'Toole in November 2014? Sensationalism. Agreed. It's just his style of play. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: everbrite on November 19, 2017, 15:41:01 pm I wonder if he might have a striker from the Dutch league lined up as a quick fix till the end of the season? You are probably right - that Dutch guy out in Dubai? for a start! Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 19, 2017, 16:28:37 pm Little credit seems to be given to Sc***horpe on here. They have pace and possibly the trickiest little player in the division in Duane Holmes, who incidentally was onside for their 2nd. His quickness also foxed Ingram for their third. To top it all they are the team bang in form right now - maybe we were just unlucky enough to have met them at the worst time... https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-one/form-guide/four A good side, a settled side and a balanced side. We have a manager who thinks our players can't play Sat/Tues/Sat, but Scunny had 8 players who were in the starting 11 in all the games against us. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 19, 2017, 16:53:41 pm We have to play a grafter in midfield , even though it means not playing our best eleven players .
One of Poole or McWillams has to start as a holding player alongside either JJOT or Grimes . McGugan also has to start further forward , even though he picks nice passes from deep . I’m not at all sure about Foley’s role or where he is best suited , but he needs to show he is up for it a bit more . Let’s not forget , this game wasn’t a game of two halves as many have suggested . We were awful for the opening 15 minutes and only did well for 30 minutes of the first half . Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Ralap on November 19, 2017, 17:16:50 pm It’s great to see Crookes back. I thought he looked a lazy lump at first but as his fitness improved his game improved greatly. The same this time, give him a couple of games or so to get his sharpness back and he’ll be bagging goals again.
Great signing. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 19, 2017, 18:02:54 pm It’s great to see Crookes back. I thought he looked a lazy lump at first but as his fitness improved his game improved greatly. The same this time, give him a couple of games or so to get his sharpness back and he’ll be bagging goals again. The question with Crooks is , where does he play and in place of who ?Great signing. How can you get Grimes , McGugan , JJOT and Crooks in the same side ? I don’t think you can . Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: clarkeysntfc on November 20, 2017, 07:01:45 am From the sublime (Oxford away) to the ridiculous in a week...
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest2995 on November 20, 2017, 08:13:02 am From the sublime (Oxford away) to the ridiculous in a week... It was a completely different game versus Oxford . They tried to pass through us and played in front of our back four .Sc***horpe have real pace throughout and exposed us . Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: The Rauldinho on November 20, 2017, 08:20:10 am So would you have him ahead of Grimes, McGugan, Crooks, Poole and JJOT i.e most of our midfield pack? If we are playing 4-2-3-1 then I would have him ahead of all but JJOT for a place in the 2, then Grimes, McGugan and Crooks in the 3 further up. I would play him ahead of Poole because he is a young player of our own, and needs to play to develop. Our position in the league leans towards playing Poole as he has been a beast when he has played but don't forget he was signed as a CB for when JED want us 5-3-2. It's a difficult problem to fit everyone in but as he is a young talent I would rather he plays. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Wolvo on November 20, 2017, 08:22:53 am How can you get Grimes , McGugan , JJOT and Crooks in the same side ? I don’t think you can . It was working reasonably well for the first half on Saturday. However, my preference would certainly be to have wingers playing on the wing. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: ajp on November 20, 2017, 10:01:44 am Slightly concerning that JFH 'doesn't have the answers to why we collapsed' on Saturday...
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Gen.Disorda on November 20, 2017, 10:12:48 am I think Poole or mcwilliams should have replaced o'toole as Foley does not get stuck in like those 3 do.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 20, 2017, 10:17:36 am Slightly concerning that JFH 'doesn't have the answers to why we collapsed' on Saturday... Why? Thats football. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: Gaston on November 20, 2017, 11:38:58 am Slightly concerning that JFH 'doesn't have the answers to why we collapsed' on Saturday... There is probably an answer, unfortunately just one that doesn't boost our players confidence. Waiting for January and the signing of wingers and then the plethora of central midfielders can fight it out and we can all debate our preferred choice. Either change how high the back line push up or employ some pacey full backs to reduce the amount of times we get cut open. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: everbrite on November 20, 2017, 12:20:37 pm A good side, a settled side and a balanced side. We have a manager who thinks our players can't play Sat/Tues/Sat, but Scunny had 8 players who were in the starting 11 in all the games against us. Fair point but JFH has stated his policy at the moment is to use fringe players when the opportunity arises. I wager that at least 7/8 players from Sat will play tomorrow? Furthermore the performance of the reserves at the Cup game especially 2nd half limited Scun’ to only one goal. Slightly better than Saturday! There appears to be an element of anti JFH opinion creeping in. Opinions are fine as it’s what we do, but sometimes it depends who/where it comes from. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3063 on November 20, 2017, 12:55:40 pm A good side, a settled side and a balanced side. We have a manager who thinks our players can't play Sat/Tues/Sat, but Scunny had 8 players who were in the starting 11 in all the games against us. Hope you're not suggesting JFH tinkers with the team too much? everbrite won't like it. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: The Rauldinho on November 20, 2017, 12:59:06 pm Hope you're not suggesting JFH tinkers with the team too much? everbrite won't like it. Tinkerman, Tinkerman, Tinkerman. ;D Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: everbrite on November 20, 2017, 15:41:37 pm Hope you're not suggesting JFH tinkers with the team too much? everbrite won't like it. Yes I will. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3063 on November 20, 2017, 16:02:31 pm Yes I will. Yes you will, or no you won't - like it? Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: everbrite on November 20, 2017, 16:16:03 pm Yes you will, or no you won't - like it? Work it out Einstein Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3063 on November 20, 2017, 17:34:11 pm Work it out Einstein I've given up trying to work you out, let alone what you say. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: everbrite on November 20, 2017, 17:37:50 pm I've given up trying to work you out, let alone what you say. ZZZ Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest48 on November 20, 2017, 17:56:02 pm I do hope that the next time we are in front in a match, we will be allowed to waist time like Scunny and the officials will turn a blind eye.
Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: BrixworthCobbler on November 20, 2017, 18:39:03 pm Ha. I bet you were saying the exact same about O'Toole in November 2014? Sensationalism. Who didn't? What a stupid comment. Poor example. Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: guest3063 on November 20, 2017, 18:45:13 pm ZZZ Fallen asleep again evers? Or is it some kind of code? Title: Re: The Iron - AGAIN (H) 18th November Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 20, 2017, 21:16:46 pm Who didn't? What a stupid comment. Poor example. I didn't. Its not really a stupid comment is it. Its a really good comparison. Both have the same stylistic qualities. |