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Title: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: greycobb on December 14, 2017, 16:02:54 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42353648
Steve Morrison, Billy McKay and now Louis Moult.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: threeinabed on December 14, 2017, 16:11:18 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42353648
Steve Morrison, Billy McKay and now Louis Moult.


andy morrow, scott cross, joey benjamin, ryan thompson, david moyo....................for every "star" we let go there are a thousand toilet players.

and we have got money in the past for terrible players as well.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Poggy on December 14, 2017, 16:20:02 pm
Some rumours that a few League 1 clubs are sniffing around Rod McDonald. I presume we have a sell out clause.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Wolvo on December 14, 2017, 16:20:11 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42353648
Steve Morrison, Billy McKay and now Louis Moult.


Moult is untested and McKay is a failure at our level.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Wolvo on December 14, 2017, 16:23:42 pm
Billy Bodin, however....

What manager released him and didn't play Calvert-Lewin so we could fit an ageing Rico in the team?!  >:D


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Coolcat on December 14, 2017, 17:59:14 pm
Moult is untested and McKay is a failure at our level.
Untested? He's been knocking them in for Wrexham hasn't he???


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Wolvo on December 14, 2017, 18:05:08 pm
Untested? He's been knocking them in for Wrexham hasn't he???

Tested at non league. Look at that Peterborough striker.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Cordwainer2 on December 14, 2017, 18:07:13 pm
Did anyone moan when we released Moult? No. That because he wasn't very good.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2017, 18:21:37 pm
Did anyone moan when we released Moult? No. That because he wasn't very good.

Two things amaze me - that PNE paid reported £500k for his services. Secondly he had his chances here and didn’t impress. So he was released as was Morrison; what do you expect the club to do - hang onto them for ever ....JIC!


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Coolcat on December 14, 2017, 18:36:34 pm
Tested at non league. Look at that Peterborough striker.
I'd wager Wrexham are better than us (at the moment, but then so probably are Chesham Utd  :o). Motherwell...SPL!!!


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Wolvo on December 14, 2017, 18:47:59 pm
I'd wager Wrexham are better than us (at the moment, but then so probably are Chesham Utd  :o). Motherwell...SPL!!!

SPL is a mixed bag. McKay bagged goals, couldn't cut it in league two with Oldham, let alone League One with Wigan. On the other hand, you have gems like Diamond and Taylor coming this way.

And Wrexham probably are better than us  ;D but a slap in the face is better than a kick in the balls. Doesn't mean I particularly want to be slapped.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on December 14, 2017, 19:09:59 pm
SPL is a mixed bag. McKay bagged goals, couldn't cut it in league two with Oldham, let alone League One with Wigan. On the other hand, you have gems like Diamond and Taylor coming this way.

And Wrexham probably are better than us  ;D but a slap in the face is better than a kick in the balls. Doesn't mean I particularly want to be slapped.

No doubt we will be having this very conversation about young joe in a few years time.


You can add toney to that list of people who left us for peanuts,  but have sell on value.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Shoemaker on December 14, 2017, 20:40:36 pm
It’s not the cobblers way to speculate to accumulate like other clubs.
Never has been.
We are the bottom of the barrel style
Youth loans and thirty plus free transfers
Why change now.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: The Rauldinho on December 15, 2017, 07:43:06 am
Fair play to Louis, he was very, very raw here and didn't look up to much to be fair.

He worked hard at his game for Nuneaton and Wrexham, and has done really well in Scotland.

I hope he continues it at Preston.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Wolvo on December 15, 2017, 08:43:45 am
andy morrow, scott cross, joey benjamin, ryan thompson, david moyo....................for every "star" we let go there are a thousand toilet players.

and we have got money in the past for terrible players as well.

Correct. One mans trash is another mans treasure.

O'Toole and Holmes both came here on free transfers... it happens to every club.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: EssTeeFree on December 15, 2017, 09:28:16 am
It's just another stick to beat the club with....and who doesn't love that!

I'd wager that Moult will be heading back to the SPL with his tail between his legs in 18 months time. Scoring goals for the lesser lights in that league means very little in the context of the English leagues.

There were plenty on hear bemoaning the fact that Oldham signed McKay last season and we didn't get him, he was an abject failure for them in League One, he simply isn't good enough for this level. Moult is probably a good Conference striker, he might do ok in League 2. The point is neither of these players would have had any resale value for us because they wouldn't have been good enough for the level we were at so wouldn't have built up any value (just like when they were actually with us)


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Zen Master on December 15, 2017, 10:28:34 am
And players exercise choices over their careers as much as clubs do. In the case of Steve Howard his contract had 6 months left. Luton were offering him much higher wages and a longer contract so what do you do? As a player you'd take the higher wages and maintain some security. As a club for every week of the remaining contract he's worth less so take what you can.

Also if a player struggles with form or injuries they get released. If they turn it round later on and do well then good for them. It's a short career.

Same with the youngsters we've sold before getting near the first team. It'd be nice if they became stars with us but a guaranteed return for the club when most kids drop out is a safe return. Couldn't keep them if we tried either. High level coaching, first class facilities, chunks of cash in case you make it, private schooling for the younger ones.
Even with these ones most rarely make their mark. In recent years we've sold/received some compo for Mark Randall to Arsenal, Michael Gyasi to Chelsea, Glenn Middleton to Norwich, Anton Blackwood to Arsenal, Ivan Toney to Newcastle. Some do ok and some do when dropping to their natural level. Others don't. Players are a complete lottery of ability, injury, application and luck.

Rambling now so I'll shut up.



Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: guest48 on December 15, 2017, 10:46:33 am
Lewis Moult did OK for us until he got himself sent off for something stupid, I think it was at York, and AB never picked him again.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: guest2677 on December 15, 2017, 16:41:05 pm
Lewis Moult did OK for us until he got himself sent off for something stupid, I think it was at York, and AB never picked him again.
Yep, I thought he did ok as well.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: everbrite on December 15, 2017, 21:25:07 pm
Lewis Moult did OK for us until he got himself sent off for something stupid, I think it was at York, and AB never picked him again.

Yep, I thought he did ok as well.

Just checked the LM statistics and can only assume that some on here have selective memory syndrome as a glance LM's record at NTFC justifies his free transfer to Nuneaton 2013.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 15, 2017, 21:31:10 pm
He gets about 2 mentions http://www.smfserver.com/forums/thehotelend/index.php?topic=8046.msg154625#msg154625
He wasn't missed at the time


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Carlo Corazzins Corduroy on December 16, 2017, 12:38:14 pm
I know hindsight is always 20:20 but personally I always rated Moult in the sparse time he had on the pitch and always felt he never got a fair opportunity to prove himself. Never looked out of his depth, and more robust than Billy who too often got physically edged out by defenders.

That said, I've probably felt the same about number of other young players that never amounted to anything, and fair play to him for working himself back up from non-league.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: guest2995 on December 20, 2017, 19:29:29 pm
Talking of who we let go ...
Just saw his big fat ugly head aybthe Man Utd game on tv ...
What a pair of barrow boys he and his son are


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: bri77 on December 21, 2017, 10:54:19 am
Players develop and improve at different rates, you can't hold on to a player for 5 years in the 'hope' he will continually improve.

I didn't think Moult was anything special, I thought Archer was dreadful. that was based on their time with us so much influences a player's quality, it's quite likely that our coaching was nothing special so moving elsewhere with a better coaching set up could be one of many reasons these players (and many others) have improved since they left us.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 21, 2017, 18:37:14 pm
Players develop and improve at different rates, you can't hold on to a player for 5 years in the 'hope' he will continually improve.

I didn't think Moult was anything special, I thought Archer was dreadful. that was based on their time with us so much influences a player's quality, it's quite likely that our coaching was nothing special so moving elsewhere with a better coaching set up could be one of many reasons these players (and many others) have improved since they left us.

And it is easier to be better with better players around you...


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: Coolcat on December 21, 2017, 18:49:56 pm
Players develop and improve at different rates, you can't hold on to a player for 5 years in the 'hope' he will continually improve.

I didn't think Moult was anything special, I thought Archer was dreadful. that was based on their time with us so much influences a player's quality, it's quite likely that our coaching was nothing special so moving elsewhere with a better coaching set up could be one of many reasons these players (and many others) have improved since they left us.
"Better coaching set up"
He moved to Nuneaton didn't he?  ;D


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: everbrite on December 21, 2017, 22:21:31 pm
"Better coaching set up"
He moved to Nuneaton didn't he?  ;D

His first Nuneaton loan was hardly inspiring...but yes valid point.


Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: bri77 on December 22, 2017, 11:15:43 am
"Better coaching set up"
He moved to Nuneaton didn't he?  ;D

Haha ok good point, but, you never know how good a club's coaching set up is. First team standing in the pyramid is not necessarily an accurate indicator of coaching ability.



Title: Re: Another one we let go for nothing!!
Post by: BedsCobb on December 25, 2017, 12:20:13 pm
James Collins has got 10 in about 15 games, and he did show promise when here.