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Title: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest3063 on December 31, 2017, 08:20:44 am
Another game for this complete failure of a squad before any changes can be made. Quite a few could be playing the last game for us. Drastic changes are needed, send all the loan players back, pay off Revell, Hanley & Richards. Transfer list Kasim & Bowditch. Let McGugan & McGivern leave.

Maybe harsh on a couple but something needs to change big time. Thoughts on this game people? Last away game they won 7-0 at Oxford but have drawn the last two at home 0-0. Also, the return of Jacobs and Toney to add even more spice.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Irchy cob on December 31, 2017, 08:41:18 am
Who in their right mind would take kasim or bowditch off our hands bearing in mind the contracts they are on - if JED rated them so highly perhaps he’d take a load of his crap with him to orient. I’d be tempted to keep mcgugan who has shown flashes of quality and long looks to have goals in him but you can’t really argue with the rest. I’d still be hopeful that a league 2/conference team might take revell off our hands. It all really depends on what/who we bring in.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on December 31, 2017, 08:44:42 am
Who in their right mind would take kasim or bowditch off our hands bearing in mind the contracts they are on - if JED rated them so highly perhaps he’d take a load of his crap with him to orient. I’d be tempted to keep mcgugan who has shown flashes of quality and long looks to have goals in him but you can’t really argue with the rest. I’d still be hopeful that a league 2/conference team might take revell off our hands. It all really depends on what/who we bring in.

Mcgugan will go higher, even if it's a top end league 1 team (maybe sc***horpe?) If he were staying he would of signed by now


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest48 on December 31, 2017, 08:47:50 am
Mcgugan will go higher, even if it's a top end league 1 team (maybe sc***horpe?) If he were staying he would of signed by now
Will anyone else want a player who can only play 1 game a week? I find it hard to believe that after training with us for over 3 months he still can't manage 2 games a week !


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest3063 on December 31, 2017, 08:50:28 am
Bowditch and Kasim will be wanted by some L2 teams, possibly on loan. Maybe, Waters also to get some confidence back in front of goal. McGugan has quality but isn't a grafter, something we desperately need now. Eleven JJOT's would be great.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2995 on December 31, 2017, 08:55:45 am
Who in their right mind would take kasim or bowditch off our hands bearing in mind the contracts they are on - if JED rated them so highly perhaps he’d take a load of his crap with him to orient. I’d be tempted to keep mcgugan who has shown flashes of quality and long looks to have goals in him but you can’t really argue with the rest. I’d still be hopeful that a league 2/conference team might take revell off our hands. It all really depends on what/who we bring in.
Correct !
The players have come here on good money and they will not give that up .
Someone may take a risk on Revell or Rico in division 2 but the rest are poor and probably conference level .
It’s a real mess .


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on December 31, 2017, 08:58:25 am
Will anyone else want a player who can only play 1 game a week? I find it hard to believe that after training with us for over 3 months he still can't manage 2 games a week !

I reckon a top end league 1 would take a gamble, even to use him from the bench. As others has said in a good team doing well mcgugan would be a decent addition. We need grafters that he is not.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: meccanostand on December 31, 2017, 09:13:59 am
We've been so starved of good football that we'll grasp on to one or two half decent performances as evidence we have better players than we have. League table doesn't lie.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: andycobbler on December 31, 2017, 16:51:12 pm
Expecting a tanking tomorrow  :'(


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Irchy cob on December 31, 2017, 16:54:37 pm
Does anyone know how the transfer window works - can we expect to see 1 or 2 additions tomorrow or is it more likely to be for Southend?


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Aitobs on December 31, 2017, 16:57:00 pm
Unfortunately I believe JFH has exhausted all the options he has with this squad in an attempt to find the winning formula. After four months of trying, he can now safely say that there IS NO winning formula for the utilisation of this squad!

I would keep Ingram, Taylor, O'Toole, McGugan, Richards, Powell and Long.

All the rest can sod off as soon as we find replacements!

Prediction- Cobblers 1-3 Wigan.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2677 on December 31, 2017, 17:03:29 pm
He needs to pick the same team that started against Blackburn. Pierre aside.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest3063 on December 31, 2017, 17:09:02 pm
Does anyone know how the transfer window works - can we expect to see 1 or 2 additions tomorrow or is it more likely to be for Southend?

Any signings will be made after tomorrows game.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest3063 on December 31, 2017, 17:11:36 pm
Unfortunately I believe JFH has exhausted all the options he has with this squad in an attempt to find the winning formula. After four months of trying, he can now safely say that there IS NO winning formula for the utilisation of this squad!

I would keep Ingram, Taylor, O'Toole, McGugan, Richards, Powell and Long.

All the rest can sod off as soon as we find replacements!

Prediction- Cobblers 1-3 Wigan.

Could you please explain why you would keep Richards? Other than sentimental reasons.



Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2487 on December 31, 2017, 17:19:22 pm
The only one I'd 100% keep is JJOT.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Aitobs on December 31, 2017, 17:23:42 pm
Could you please explain why you would keep Richards? Other than sentimental reasons.

I believe the primary reason why Richards only has one goal to his name this season is because he isn't being utilised correctly by JFH. He has never been blessed with pace but has a gift for finishing chances. He needs pace around him on the wings and good midfield service to create chances which he then converts at a very good success rate. However, this season he has either been shafted out up front on his own, or as ad part of a duo with Revell, or with no pace around him on the wings.

I remind you that he has been our club top goalscorer for the last three consecutive seasons. I still believe that, utilised correctly, he remains a League One quality striker.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: wrigleys on December 31, 2017, 17:25:02 pm
My Aunt Maude is a medium (and well fit for an 80 year old - saw her stocking tops the other day when she was rendering down some pigs feet, nearly shot me bolt) and she says the score will be 8-0 tomorrow....


......but she can’t see to which team.

Assuming it’s Teyn that’s gonna really help our GD? Got to.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2487 on December 31, 2017, 17:28:19 pm
It all points to a hammering of epic proportions doesn't it.



Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest3063 on December 31, 2017, 17:32:02 pm
I believe the primary reason why Richards only has one goal to his name this season is because he isn't being utilised correctly by JFH. He has never been blessed with pace but has a gift for finishing chances. He needs pace around him on the wings and good midfield service to create chances which he then converts at a very good success rate. However, this season he has either been shafted out up front on his own, or as ad part of a duo with Revell, or with no pace around him on the wings.

I remind you that he has been our club top goalscorer for the last three consecutive seasons. I still believe that, utilised correctly, he remains a League One quality striker.

Fair enough, that's your view. However, I disagree. He's done nothing this season to suggest otherwise and at 35, age is not on his side.



Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 31, 2017, 17:32:46 pm
Does anyone know how the transfer window works - can we expect to see 1 or 2 additions tomorrow or is it more likely to be for Southend?

Transfer window officially opens at a minute past midnight, however transfers won’t atart to be registered (paperwork wise) until Tuesday as tomorrow is a bank holiday.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 31, 2017, 17:40:13 pm
6/1 against to win tomorrow.....we were shorther than that to beat Man U last season!!

Wigan, 5 league games in December, 3 wins and 2 draws, 13 goals scored and none conceded.

It’s a home banker surely??!!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 31, 2017, 17:57:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4)


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: just.reading on December 31, 2017, 18:15:36 pm
0-0


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: everbrite on December 31, 2017, 18:23:08 pm
6/1 against to win tomorrow.....we were shorther than that to beat Man U last season!!

Wigan, 5 league games in December, 3 wins and 2 draws, 13 goals scored and none conceded.

It’s a home banker surely??!!

How much are you putting on for a home win - £10?


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: wrigleys on December 31, 2017, 18:28:21 pm
Does anyone know how the transfer window works - can we expect to see 1 or 2 additions tomorrow or is it more likely to be for Southend?

Ha ha if we have anyone by Southend I’ll be surprised! Get a few unknowns in a week before the deadline, that’ll do fine


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: The Rauldinho on December 31, 2017, 21:01:52 pm
Doing my best to remain positive about tomorrow, Wigan haven't scored for two games so maybe we can grind out a 0-0?  ;D


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: memyhead on December 31, 2017, 21:12:02 pm
Wigan will bang in a minimum 5...no way will we be able to contain them...they have payed two decent teams who have managed to hold them...we crumble as soon as any concerted pressure is applied.

Early goals will get the crowd riled up and the spineless players will all shirk any responsibility (bar JJOT who will probably get sent off) JFH will blame the crowd for booing citing that we were playing the league leaders so what do we expect.

Crackers & Ivan will not celebrate if/when they score...

We are not too far away from safety, but you should be able to see fight within the team, if your gonna get out of trouble. Most of these clowns couldn't give a toss!

At least Pemberton has had an impact on tightening up the defence  ::)

Kin' shambles from top to bottom...complete silence from KT/Chinese also very frustrating...

Whole club directionless.

HAPPY NEW YEAR FELLOW COBBLERS!  ;D


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Shoemaker on December 31, 2017, 21:21:14 pm
Ha ha if we have anyone by Southend I’ll be surprised! Get a few unknowns in a week before the deadline, that’ll do fine
That’s the cobblers way
Mind you the Chinese have come out and said they recognise the situation we are in and will be spending on a scale not before seen at ntfc to rectify things.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2487 on December 31, 2017, 21:24:04 pm
That’s the cobblers way
Mind you the Chinese have come out and said they recognise the situation we are in and will be spending on a scale not before seen at ntfc to rectify things.

Tbf if they did come out and say we're gonna spend big then it wouldn't be a great move would It? Bump the prices up of everyone immediately.

I get the joke though.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Shoemaker on December 31, 2017, 21:31:44 pm
Tbf if they did come out and say we're gonna spend big then it wouldn't be a great move would It? Bump the prices up of everyone immediately.

I get the joke though.
Cheers Neil
Happy new year
My one wish for 2018 is that as part of the education programme that 5usport are so keen on furthering due to their link up with ntfc actually includes English lessons.
In all honesty though,things aren’t right
A fanfare regards a takeover and not a peep out of the new owners since.
At best it shows total contempt for the paying fan base at worst things are more than a little worrying.
Calling China  🇨🇳
Come in China.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest3114 on December 31, 2017, 22:02:55 pm
Whilst the current squad has serious short comings I don’t think it needs much to transform it. The biggest requirement in my eyes is a leader on the pitch. Add to this some width and pace and we could see a remarkable transformation. Everyone could see that the squad had issues from the start. Thinking back a lot of us were concerned about how long it took to bring this squad together initially. For me this indicated 2 possible reasons. The first was that JE was unable to attract his first choice players to the club. Therefore some we ended up with could be option B, C or possibly D. The second was that the brakes were possibly put on recruitment due to the arrival of our investors? This would have thrown any plans into disarray and resulted in quick ill thoughtout changes of plan? Many have drew comparisons with the past, but the truth is that the transfer window has added a dynamic that wasn’t there in years gone by. Get recruitment wrong and you have to live with the consequences for half a season, and don’t we know it. Whatever the reasons all I know is we have one more round of business and that’s it, because come May, we’ll be down without some creative recruitment. IMO there is some undoubted talent in this squad, but due to the glaring short comings it is often being asked to play with one leg tied behind its back. The players we bring in need experience, steel and pace. I’ve held off asking for a striker with 20 goals as getting that in January is akin to winning the lottery. Realistically no chance, but with the right players coming in, perhaps not as vital as we think hopefully? This is not the worst squad in terms of talent we have had at the club by a long long way and JFH is not the worst manager. What it is is the most unbalanced illogical squad ever to grace our dressing room. Given the opportunity we had at the start of the season that is scandalous, and it’s unlikely that JE is solely to blame for that.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2235 on January 01, 2018, 01:02:21 am
Still unbeaten in 2018.... let’s keep this run going! UTC2018


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Shoemaker on January 01, 2018, 09:01:55 am
I’d imagine this will be a sell out what with our new signings watching from the stands ;D


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: andycobbler on January 01, 2018, 09:06:20 am


Still unbeaten in 2018.... let’s keep this run going! UTC2018

 :D


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: The Rauldinho on January 01, 2018, 12:00:16 pm
Lovely weather for an upset.

Either that or a thoroughly miserable afternoon.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2487 on January 01, 2018, 12:04:31 pm
At least we haven't conceded yet.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Aitobs on January 01, 2018, 13:15:04 pm
Cobblers XI: Ingram, Moloney, Taylor (c), Poole, Smith, Foley, McWilliams, Grimes, Crooks, Powell, Long

Subs: Cornell, Buchanan, Waters, Richards, Hoskins, O'Toole, McGugan


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Aitobs on January 01, 2018, 13:16:33 pm
Interesting selection from JFH. Smith in for Buchanan is long overdue. Taylor takes the captaincy for the first time in a league game. Powell returns to the XI, with O'Toole making way.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: WasRambo on January 01, 2018, 14:05:49 pm
At 6/1 we're the longest price home team on the coupon. Reminds me of many years ago we were around the bottom of the third tier away at Bristol City and were 13/2. We won 3-1 that day.

I've wasted a couple of quid on 2 nil at 40/1 and 2-1 at 20s.

You watch, we'll win 3-1.....


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: WasRambo on January 01, 2018, 14:07:39 pm
That didnt take long....


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Baldy on January 01, 2018, 14:15:20 pm
Oh dear, 0-1.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Razor on January 01, 2018, 14:33:14 pm
Iciaofano gone off injured for Chesham.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Baldy on January 01, 2018, 14:37:13 pm
No Dr. Feelgood again then. Part timer!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 01, 2018, 14:50:42 pm
0-1 h-t......we’ve had a couple of chances but I don’t think Wigan have got out of second gear yet. Very comfortable on possession and could have had 4....

Atmosphere is as flat as a pancake....crowd is low, no more than 150 in the east stand, around 500 wiganers.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Welly Cobb on January 01, 2018, 14:51:43 pm
Smith is out of his depth in league football I’m afraid. Foley also isn’t suited to playing out wide and attacking, and the gap between midfield and attack is too deep. That said Wigan look like they have switched off so we have a chance.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on January 01, 2018, 14:53:10 pm
Too much time and space for Wigan,  their right winger is having a field day against smith and powell, far too much time and space.

That said Wigan haven't blown us apart, looked okay without being amazing.

Hopefully o toole and buchs on at half time will get us a point here.

Mcwilliams has looked the best player on the park.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: TownOwl on January 01, 2018, 14:54:27 pm
I agree that Wigan haven't got out of second gear, but I think we've done alright there on the whole. The defence looks like a calamity waiting to happen, and indeed have gifted a few chances, but we've created our own.

Agree Smith hasn't impressed. Again. McWilliams has shown the others up though.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 01, 2018, 14:59:08 pm
Att 5328 with 511 from the Pier.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Irchy cob on January 01, 2018, 15:01:39 pm
Agree entirely with the consensus - we’ve played ok but Wigan are in 1st gear. The atmosphere is dead, and the referee is absolutely s@@t.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Shoemaker on January 01, 2018, 15:05:40 pm
We usually start each half strongly
What minute will Wigan score their second?
I’m going 51


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Baldy on January 01, 2018, 15:06:54 pm
We usually start each half strongly
What minute will Wigan score their second?
I’m going 51
90


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Bingers on January 01, 2018, 15:09:06 pm
Afternoon all.

Just thought I'd stick my head in to wish you all a Happy New Year.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Baldy on January 01, 2018, 15:13:18 pm
Afternoon all.

Just thought I'd stick my head in to wish you all a Happy New Year.

Bingers!!! We've been worried sick!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Bingers on January 01, 2018, 15:16:23 pm
No need to worry about me, nicer life without worrying about football, but is defender okay?


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Baldy on January 01, 2018, 15:19:30 pm
No need to worry about me, nicer life without worrying about football, but is defender okay?
The good doctor said that he'd posted about a week ago. He doesn't seem to turn up on match days though. Much like the good doctor come to think of it.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Bingers on January 01, 2018, 15:21:02 pm
The good doctor said that he'd posted about a week ago. He doesn't seem to turn up on match days though. Much like the good doctor come to think of it.

Is he still a part-timer?

Perhaps he has another life away from here.  Worth trying, see if you like it.  ;)


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Baldy on January 01, 2018, 15:22:49 pm
Is he still a part-timer?

Perhaps he has another life away from here.  Worth trying, see if you like it.  ;)
You can't really call this a life Bingers. I live in Cromer as you know.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Bingers on January 01, 2018, 15:27:36 pm
Gem of the Norfolk coast as I understand it.

Nice bit of crab from memory as well.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Shoemaker on January 01, 2018, 15:29:23 pm
I once returned from Cromer with crabs


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Baldy on January 01, 2018, 15:31:42 pm
I once returned from Cromer with crabs
Not unusual.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: WasRambo on January 01, 2018, 15:41:23 pm
Oh well. Not the total pasting expected


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Bingers on January 01, 2018, 15:58:28 pm
Could have been a lot worse.

I hope it turns a corner for you all and gets enjoyable once again.

Have a good 2018.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Baldy on January 01, 2018, 16:09:05 pm
Could have been a lot worse.

I hope it turns a corner for you all and gets enjoyable once again.

Have a good 2018.
And you Bingers. All the best.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on January 01, 2018, 16:27:12 pm
Very odd sub again from jimmy, to take Mcwilliams off who was very good and replace with hoskins through the middle rather than a mcgugan very odd.

Even odder mom smith, whoever sponsored the mom must still have been drunk from last night. He was awful!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Irchy cob on January 01, 2018, 16:27:55 pm
Certainly couldn’t fault the effort today but there was very little quality - the set piece delivery from grimes was especially shocking which is criminal at any level. Slightly surreal post match interview where JFH bemoaned the fact that we didn’t get the “chocolate “ that we deserved and Caroline unearthed the gem that she had heard we were interested in Johnny howson when I’m assuming that she meant Hanson!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: threeinabed on January 01, 2018, 16:32:23 pm
JFH and radio Northampton deserve each other.

Both inept.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Buster on January 01, 2018, 16:40:08 pm
Probably the most bizarre man of the match award I can remember - I like Smith, but was surprised to see him come out for the 2nd half.  He had a less poor 2nd half but MOM? c'mon...


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Dan on January 01, 2018, 16:47:17 pm
Certainly couldn’t fault the effort today but there was very little quality - the set piece delivery from grimes was especially shocking which is criminal at any level. Slightly surreal post match interview where JFH bemoaned the fact that we didn’t get the “chocolate “ that we deserved and Caroline unearthed the gem that she had heard we were interested in Johnny howson when I’m assuming that she meant Hanson!

Grimes is awful. I cannot believe he has remained in the team every week.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Welly Cobb on January 01, 2018, 16:49:50 pm
Certainly couldn’t fault the effort today but there was very little quality - the set piece delivery from grimes was especially shocking which is criminal at any level. Slightly surreal post match interview where JFH bemoaned the fact that we didn’t get the “chocolate “ that we deserved and Caroline unearthed the gem that she had heard we were interested in Johnny howson when I’m assuming that she meant Hanson!
I was wondering why she picked a player I never heard rumoured. Did flummox Jimmy with the name. Horrific blunder if that’s what she meant.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: everbrite on January 01, 2018, 16:58:58 pm
Very odd sub again from jimmy, to take Mcwilliams off who was very good and replace with hoskins through the middle rather than a mcgugan very odd.

Even odder mom smith, whoever sponsored the mom must still have been drunk from last night. He was awful!

McWilliams was out cold thru the non stop performance he put in so sensible sub. His replacement Hoskins was poor tho'. Thought Moloney was MOM . Their opener was terrible marking ...typical. However overall we deserved a point...I think!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: the grumpy old man on January 01, 2018, 17:00:43 pm
I thought the Cobblers played ok today and deserved a draw. McWilliams mom for me, JFH said he took him off because he was tiring, but he looked fit enough to me.

He also hinted we should have two players in by Saturday, although they may not start, which would indicate they won't be match fit.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 01, 2018, 17:00:54 pm
Take the claret tinted specs off!! It was the same aimless hoofball that we have seen for months. Wigan didn’t need to break a sweat and they did a professional job on us, came for the win and got the win.

We had a couple of glimmers of chances, but the flash ball across the box when our two forwards wouldn’t put themselves out to stretch for it, and the one Wigan defender made the clearance.

Did you notice Jimmy’s reaction when Crooks gibbed that challenge and then went down ‘injured’? That was the cue to get JJ on, and to be fair he put himself about.

Smith got roasted time and time again, where was he for their goal??

We are so lightweight, so toothless, so aimless and so rudderless....


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Irchy cob on January 01, 2018, 17:07:01 pm
I was wondering why she picked a player I never heard rumoured. Did flummox Jimmy with the name. Horrific blunder if that’s what she meant.

There’s no way in the world that it would be howson - he’s first choice in Middlesbrough’s midfield and scored today in their win, I think he might even be their captain. Caroline definitely got her wires crossed - not for the first time.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: everbrite on January 01, 2018, 17:14:18 pm
Certainly couldn’t fault the effort today but there was very little quality - the set piece delivery from grimes was especially shocking which is criminal at any level. Slightly surreal post match interview where JFH bemoaned the fact that we didn’t get the “chocolate “ that we deserved and Caroline unearthed the gem that she had heard we were interested in Johnny howson when I’m assuming that she meant Hanson!

I suppose if you wish to find fault you will gleefully take the opportunity. I heard the interview and heard JFH dismiss the Howson rumour. What on earth makes you think she meant James Hanson who maybe training with us. Clueless opportunism.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2487 on January 01, 2018, 17:21:44 pm
She dropped a complete bollocks. Howson!!!!!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2677 on January 01, 2018, 17:23:37 pm
Grimes is awful. I cannot believe he has remained in the team every week.
I don't get the Grimes lovefest either. Pretty and neat football but no cutting edge, and his set pieces are awful in the main. Why does he take every one, is this American football?
We at least showed some commitment today, but the quality was poor. I thought we missed JJ getting up and supporting Long. Powell was worth his place but Foley should have made way for him.
Agree that Wigan didn't get out of second gear, but they still didn't impress as much as I expected.
McWilliams was my mom. Mrs Smith senior must have done the selecting for the sponsors.
Regardless of who comes in beforehand we need to get a result on Saturday.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 01, 2018, 17:29:15 pm
What on earth makes you think she meant James Hanson who maybe training with us.
You have more or less answered your own question there. Unless, you were trying to be ironic?
One things for sure, Howson is way out of our range.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: sixfields starling on January 01, 2018, 17:34:15 pm
Well to be honest i was expecting a hammering , after the last two away games, so credit where it is due , we put in a good shift and made it difficult for Wigan. After going 1-0 down so early ,i feared the worst, yet we created a few chances and generally looked up for it today .It surely much give us some much needed confidence , to not be blown away by the leaders after a poor start and home form may well be the key for our survival, along with new players , obviously. Sounds like a couple might be here for saturday, but if they are not, we need another full bloodied performance, getting in Southend's faces from the off. I for one am more hopeful that what i was a day ago.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: everbrite on January 01, 2018, 17:45:24 pm
I thought the Cobblers played ok today and deserved a draw. McWilliams mom for me, JFH said he took him off because he was tiring, but he looked fit enough to me.

He also hinted we should have two players in by Saturday, although they may not start, which would indicate they won't be match fit.


I basically agree with you, although I thought that McWilliams was very tired. We made Wigan look pretty ordinary at times. Second gear my backside they were desperate for a second goal. So much so Cook was going frantic big time in second half


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: BackOfTheNet on January 01, 2018, 17:45:37 pm
I've said all along that Grimes is powderpuff and flatters to deceive. Sat alongside a couple of "minders" I think he'd flourish but when asked to get stuck in more, he's useless. Also, with a squad our size, I can't believe their isn't a single professional footballer amongst them who can't deliver a better set piece than Grimes. I'd rather have someone who can consistently deliver an average ball in than someone who might deliver a peach in 1 of 20 attempts but is godawful with the other 19!

That said, I thought we were ok today and probably merited a point. I think we created more clearcut chances than Wigan, we just weren't composed enough to put them away. Mind you, it always felt like they had another couple of gears they could have used if they'd needed to...


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: SteveRiches on January 01, 2018, 17:47:47 pm
It was a better performance but with points the only commodity of value it was in that sense a failure. If the expected new blood starts to bring in points we have hope but it's going to be a massive ask. Essentially we need to spend the money now that we shall otherwise lose by being relegated.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 01, 2018, 17:49:25 pm
No lack of effort but no cutting edge once again. We are incapable of putting a side under sustained pressure, so chances are few and far between and usually missed.  We are going to have to put together a very good run of results to stand any chance of avoiding the drop.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2995 on January 01, 2018, 17:57:32 pm
Although we probably deserved a draw , it was another game in which too many of our players just didn’t do enough.
Grimes, Foley, Powell , Long , Hoskins , Crooks all could have done a lot more to influence the game .
No one really imposed themselves on the game in the way that McWilliams and JJOT did .
Our delivery into the front players was appalling and dead ball execution very poor .
Wigan weren’t great , but you don’t need to be against us because we give the ball away so much .
People seem to think we were okay in that game .
I don’t think so .


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 01, 2018, 17:59:19 pm
Also, with a squad our size, I can't believe their isn't a single professional footballer amongst them who can't deliver a better set piece than Grimes. I'd rather have someone who can consistently deliver an average ball in than someone who might deliver a peach in 1 of 20 attempts but is godawful with the other 19!
To be fair, Jacobs consistently failed to get past the first man/near post from his corner kicks, during his time here.



Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: everbrite on January 01, 2018, 18:00:06 pm
Although we probably deserved a draw , it was another game in which too many of our players just didn’t do enough.
Grimes, Foley, Powell , Long , Hoskins , Crooks all could have done a lot more to influence the game .
No one really imposed themselves on the game in the way that McWilliams and JJOT did .
Our delivery into the front players was appalling and dead ball execution very poor .
Wigan weren’t great , but you don’t need to be against us because we give the ball away so much .
People seem to think we were okay in that game .
I don’t think so .

Not ok but deserved a point!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Irchy cob on January 01, 2018, 18:32:07 pm
I suppose if you wish to find fault you will gleefully take the opportunity. I heard the interview and heard JFH dismiss the Howson rumour. What on earth makes you think she meant James Hanson who maybe training with us. Clueless opportunism.

What are you talking about you horrible little troll - do you even read the posts properly before you post your holier than thou judgemental drivel. I was only commenting on what your darling Caroline mentioned in the post match interview and as others have suggested it looks like she has completely mixed up howson with Hanson.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Wolvo on January 01, 2018, 18:35:02 pm
I think I'd just said 'Smith is really looking non-league at the moment', precisely one second before he was announced as the sponsors man of the match  ;D


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: TownOwl on January 01, 2018, 18:38:00 pm
It was a reasonable performance against apparently the best team in the league, from a squad with the well documented failings.

I also don't get why Grimes is so undroppable.  I would have preferred Crooks to stay on as I thought he was doing ok, but I also understand why JFH decided he wasn't doing enough. I also thought McWilliams could have lasted longer. The set pieces from Grimes were awful, the crosses and the shot. Shame he can't learn from McGugan. Surely we have someone better and more consistent.

And as for Densley with the Howson link... Embarrassing.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Charlatan on January 01, 2018, 18:44:49 pm
I think I'd just said 'Smith is really looking non-league at the moment', precisely one second before he was announced as the sponsors man of the match  ;D
I said the same thing!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Irchy cob on January 01, 2018, 18:49:33 pm
I said the same thing!

I think the majority of us probably thought the same - I said to my mate that he had one of those games when nothing goes right and then he got motm! Having said that radio Northampton were positive about his performance too so maybe it looked different from an elevated position.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2995 on January 01, 2018, 19:01:10 pm
I think the majority of us probably thought the same - I said to my mate that he had one of those games when nothing goes right and then he got motm! Having said that radio Northampton were positive about his performance too so maybe it looked different from an elevated position.
The question is , would Buchs have stopped the cross that led to the goal ?


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Irchy cob on January 01, 2018, 19:07:31 pm
The question is , would Buchs have stopped the cross that led to the goal ?

We'll never know. I'll have to wait until I see the goal again but I believe the suggestion is that McWilliams and smith failed to close Massey down for the cross and then Powell had a free header getting in front of Poole?


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Coolcat on January 01, 2018, 19:10:07 pm
I was wondering why she picked a player I never heard rumoured. Did flummox Jimmy with the name. Horrific blunder if that’s what she meant.
Then when talking about McWilliams, JFH said along the lines of: "yeah, a great lad, did really well but he's young and ran out of steam"
Caroline: "Is that why you subed him?"

No, his mum was on the phone Caroline!  ;D


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Manwork04 on January 01, 2018, 19:13:46 pm
The question is , would Buchs have stopped the cross that led to the goal ?
Not a chance he's so slow these days a real liability IMO
We desperately need a left back and a right winger as well as the couple of strikers.
As for Caroline Dimsley ........Howson   ;D what can she do?


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Irchy cob on January 01, 2018, 19:17:18 pm
Just remembered another radio Northampton classic from the post match - this time from Tim who actually seriously wondered if the reason Buchanan had been left out was because he was in line for a move to Sheffield united. When I heard that gem I nearly swerved off the road.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Coolcat on January 01, 2018, 19:21:22 pm
Take the claret tinted specs off!! It was the same aimless hoofball that we have seen for months. Wigan didn’t need to break a sweat and they did a professional job on us, came for the win and got the win.

We had a couple of glimmers of chances, but the flash ball across the box when our two forwards wouldn’t put themselves out to stretch for it, and the one Wigan defender made the clearance.

Did you notice Jimmy’s reaction when Crooks gibbed that challenge and then went down ‘injured’? That was the cue to get JJ on, and to be fair he put himself about.

Smith got roasted time and time again, where was he for their goal??

We are so lightweight, so toothless, so aimless and so rudderless....
Sorry, disagree. You don't know what gear they were in or how many they have! It's not you on the pitch or your energy levels. Unless you specifically ask Jacobs, Grigg, Powell et-al, you can't know! Their keeper panicked on several occasions, having to boot the ball out of play.
However, the most telling point to counter the fans' soundbite rhetoric of 'didn't get out of 1st, 2nd gear...' can be evidenced at the Kassam a week back. Wigan were 3-0 up by half time...scored another four in the second half!
Sound like a club happy to settle for 1st gear and a 1-0 win?


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest47 on January 01, 2018, 19:23:04 pm
I got the impression from the JFH interview that he thought the Wigan game was a lost cause and he was keeping JJOT and Buchs fresh for Saturday's game against Southend.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Manwork04 on January 01, 2018, 19:59:33 pm
Just remembered another radio Northampton classic from the post match - this time from Tim who actually seriously wondered if the reason Buchanan had been left out was because he was in line for a move to Sheffield united. When I heard that gem I nearly swerved off the road.
More like Sheffield FC, seriously Tims heart is in the right place but he talks soooooooooo much sh1t, I burst out laughing when he said that, he's still better than Dimsley though  ;D


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 01, 2018, 20:07:49 pm
Whilst I think we played alright against the league leaders, and were perhaps a tad unfortunate to lose (a draw would have seemed fair) - a big part of me thinks that because Wigan scored so early they just pressed the game management button, didn't need to take risks/bomb forward etc. Basically an initial attacking intent became a priority to contain. I wonder what would have happened if they'd nicked a 2nd goal, which they easily could have done amongst our handful of chances? We obviously will never know but what we do know is that we lost 1-0 and didn't force their keeper into one meaningful save once they had taken the league.

Smiths getting some flack but I thought he did ok, first 20 minutes aside. He *may well have contributed to their goal, not sure where the marker for their Wigan was! That said, there were 3 of their players queuing up to head in the cross so all round poor defending from the team. Same old…

Now I've said this before, I do not get this love in with Grimes. Id have played him on the wing months ago, where he used to play for Exeter (and excelled). A central midfielder he certainly isn't. His passing is atrocious, his set piece delivery is terrible (even allowing for them being 'risky ones') and he doesn't physically compete. Id be looking to end his loan tomorrow if its a possibility. Same as Poole….

I could understand the Crooks sub, he was a red card waiting to happen. And it was a toss up between him and Grimes who was the worse player. Didn't get the McWilliams one though. Fair play for switching Foley and Powell after 20 minutes, it improved us. Proactive management from the bench for once!

We will know on Saturday if we stand a chance of staying in this league. Lets see what Jimmy's 'name' brings to the party!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: The Rauldinho on January 01, 2018, 21:03:02 pm
I don't think we were as bad as some have made out today, there was definitely more effort and fight about us than normal.

We played some okay passing stuff at times, then resorted to hoofing the ball up to Long when chasing the game late on. He did well up on his own, feel sorry for him that we don't give him much supply.

I felt Smith did well after a poor first fifteen or twenty minutes, put some decent balls into the box and was certainly no worse than Buchs has been lately. May do better if he can get a run of games. The rest of the defense were okay, Poole and Ash didn't look that comfortable with each other and Moloney seems to be picking up form again.

Grimes had a bad game today, his delivery and passing were poor. He was totally shown up by our own McWilliams, who should be one of the first names on the teamsheet from here on in as he actually seems to give a f***. Powell and Foley had decent games once JFH swapped them over, that's the first positive tactical change I can remember him making. Crooks was average but got stuck in, a little too hard which led to him going off. JJ was his usual self once on.

Hoskins tried in the middle didn't really work for me and I think chucking Rico on instead of McGugan was bizarre.

Maybe Wigan were coasting a little, but their fans seem to think we gave them a bit of a game so I'd be happy enough with that. If we have no fit and ready superstars signed up by Saturday then I would give this team another shot unless Pierre or Barnett are fit enough to play CB.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: everbrite on January 01, 2018, 22:04:38 pm
What are you talking about you horrible little troll - do you even read the posts properly before you post your holier than thou judgemental drivel. I was only commenting on what your darling Caroline mentioned in the post match interview and as others have suggested it looks like she has completely mixed up howson with Hanson.
Firstly Caroline is not my darling!; secondly you are too quick pass judgement yourself?  So quick you hardly have time to think what you are actually composing. What did you think of the game?
 


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Irchy cob on January 01, 2018, 22:13:00 pm
Firstly Caroline is not my darling!; secondly you are too quick pass judgement yourself?  So quick you hardly have time to think what you are actually composing. What did you think of the game?
 

That’s my point, you don’t take time to read posts before you fire out your rhetoric. In my first post after the game I made it clear that the effort of the players couldn’t be faulted but the quality in the final third wasn’t there, especially from set pieces which is the overwhelming consensus on here - why is that so hard for you to understand? And then you moaned at what I said about Caroline obviously mixing up Jonny howson and James Hanson in her interview which is something that a number of posters have since backed up.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 02, 2018, 01:58:21 am
No Dr. Feelgood again then. Part timer!
Naturally I will take full responsibility..


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2235 on January 02, 2018, 07:03:29 am
Whilst I think we played alright against the league leaders, and were perhaps a tad unfortunate to lose (a draw would have seemed fair) - a big part of me thinks that because Wigan scored so early they just pressed the game management button, didn't need to take risks/bomb forward etc. Basically an initial attacking intent became a priority to contain. I wonder what would have happened if they'd nicked a 2nd goal, which they easily could have done amongst our handful of chances? We obviously will never know but what we do know is that we lost 1-0 and didn't force their keeper into one meaningful save once they had taken the league.

Smiths getting some flack but I thought he did ok, first 20 minutes aside. He *may well have contributed to their goal, not sure where the marker for their Wigan was! That said, there were 3 of their players queuing up to head in the cross so all round poor defending from the team. Same old…

Now I've said this before, I do not get this love in with Grimes. Id have played him on the wing months ago, where he used to play for Exeter (and excelled). A central midfielder he certainly isn't. His passing is atrocious, his set piece delivery is terrible (even allowing for them being 'risky ones') and he doesn't physically compete. Id be looking to end his loan tomorrow if its a possibility. Same as Poole….

I could understand the Crooks sub, he was a red card waiting to happen. And it was a toss up between him and Grimes who was the worse player. Didn't get the McWilliams one though. Fair play for switching Foley and Powell after 20 minutes, it improved us. Proactive management from the bench for once!

We will know on Saturday if we stand a chance of staying in this league. Lets see what Jimmy's 'name' brings to the party!

Switching Foley with Powell proactive? Why play him on the left in the first place. After playing well on the right against Walsall and Blackburn he then plays him on the left against Doncaster. That didn’t work so he then gets dropped!! Some of his “tactical decisions” are overthinking at best and players must wonder if he knows what he’s doing. A lot on here think January will save our season I don’t see it, hope I’m wrong


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 02, 2018, 07:05:39 am
We huffed and puffed but Wigan never had to get out of 2nd gear to beat us. They just "managed" the game to its inevitable conclusion, and at no point did we look like scoring.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: bri77 on January 02, 2018, 07:49:17 am
It's quite sad that the fact we huffed and puffed is a bit of an improvement.

We didn't have many chances at all which is why the awful set pieces from Grimes were so frustrating. I really like him as a player but he had an absolute mare yesterday, as well as his awful corners and free kicks he was pushed / bullied off the ball frequently, expected far too much time and kept going far too deep. Was crying out to be subbed but lasted the 90.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: tcobb on January 02, 2018, 08:12:29 am
A New Year and Everbrite still having a snipe at fellow fans.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2995 on January 02, 2018, 08:45:39 am
No player , except possibly McWilliams scored more than 6/10 yesterday .
Most were 5/10 .
Very rarely , if at all, has either Grimes , McGugan , Crooks , Long or Foley won us a game with a fantastic performance . These players come with big reputations and get paid top dollar . They should’ve scoring 8/10 regularly .
Some folk seem quite happy we only lost 1.0 to Wigan . They were there for the taking in this game and we were nowhere near good enough to do so .
Jimmy is not doing a good job in my view and we don’t look like staying up .


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: everbrite on January 02, 2018, 08:53:35 am
A New Year and Everbrite still having a snipe at fellow fans.


Woodcock


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest48 on January 02, 2018, 09:00:37 am
I do think that the ref is getting off very lightly, he was absolutely shocking. How come the Wigan guy who pulled back Powell didn't get a booking, even their assistant manage agreed it was a booking. Also the ref seemed total oblivious to the Wigan time wasting, I know all teams do it, but it's up to the ref to sort it out, yesterdays ref never even looked at the keeper doing every trick in the book.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: EssTeeFree on January 02, 2018, 09:10:07 am
I do think that the ref is getting off very lightly, he was absolutely shocking. How come the Wigan guy who pulled back Powell didn't get a booking, even their assistant manage agreed it was a booking. Also the ref seemed total oblivious to the Wigan time wasting, I know all teams do it, but it's up to the ref to sort it out, yesterdays ref never even looked at the keeper doing every trick in the book.

I normally try and take the claret tinted specs off and cut the refs a bit of slack (especially as the guy I sit next to each game seems to only go to moan about the ref) but I agree that he was awful...and awfully inconsistent... yesterday. What is and isn't a booking in that guys head I have no idea. However his performance in no way cost us a result.

I do have a little chuckle to myself at games when our fans get upset at opposition 'keepers timewasting, we lapped it up when Adam Smith was at it, he is probably the best (worst?) I've ever seen at the art of timewasting. He got the odd booking but got away with it most of the time.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: lordjord on January 02, 2018, 09:43:40 am
I felt have felt a little sorry for Grimes during his time here. He has played with a ton of different partners in midfield, and has had players out wide to aim for who are not wingers. You can see he is clearly talented (although his set piece delivery was terrible) I think he would benefit massively from playing with John Joe and Mcwilliams in the middle. JFH needs to stop playing JJOT further forward, fine he may win some flick ons but he is not generally a goal threat from open play, the vast majority of his goals from us have been headed goals from set pieces. He is much more effective as a centre midfielder who can break up and link play.

Also I am not against Buchs being dropped. We had the worst defence of the teams in the 92 this calendar year, of which he has probably started every league game so I am fine with Smith having a run. Also Buchs tends to just chip the ball over the opposition RB which generally results in the ball being given away, at least Smith was looking for a pass to feet.

Agree though that we didnt threaten at all. We barely huffed or puffed, we had a lot of opportunity to get shots away on the edge of the box and we didnt pull the trigger for whatever reason. I dont know why we persist in the same substitutions also. Hoskins and Rico coming on is so predictable. Waters might not be good enough for this level but he scored 15 in league 2 last year (probably more that Hoskins has scored in his career to date) so to be left on the bench all the time makes no sense.

I am desperately hoping for lots of new faces out wide and up front in the coming week, but fear its too little too late (especially as I am not sold on JFH).


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2995 on January 02, 2018, 09:58:35 am
I felt have felt a little sorry for Grimes during his time here. He has played with a ton of different partners in midfield, and has had players out wide to aim for who are not wingers. You can see he is clearly talented (although his set piece delivery was terrible) I think he would benefit massively from playing with John Joe and Mcwilliams in the middle. JFH needs to stop playing JJOT further forward, fine he may win some flick ons but he is not generally a goal threat from open play, the vast majority of his goals from us have been headed goals from set pieces. He is much more effective as a centre midfielder who can break up and link play.

Also I am not against Buchs being dropped. We had the worst defence of the teams in the 92 this calendar year, of which he has probably started every league game so I am fine with Smith having a run. Also Buchs tends to just chip the ball over the opposition RB which generally results in the ball being given away, at least Smith was looking for a pass to feet.

Agree though that we didnt threaten at all. We barely huffed or puffed, we had a lot of opportunity to get shots away on the edge of the box and we didnt pull the trigger for whatever reason. I dont know why we persist in the same substitutions also. Hoskins and Rico coming on is so predictable. Waters might not be good enough for this level but he scored 15 in league 2 last year (probably more that Hoskins has scored in his career to date) so to be left on the bench all the time makes no sense.

I am desperately hoping for lots of new faces out wide and up front in the coming week, but fear its too little too late (especially as I am not sold on JFH).
Good post and I agree with all that you are saying.
JJOT is a holding player and I think he is a better player than Grimes in that position .
I’d like to see JJOT and McWilliams winning ball and grimes playing further forward .


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Ralap on January 02, 2018, 10:03:25 am
I felt have felt a little sorry for Grimes during his time here. He has played with a ton of different partners in midfield, and has had players out wide to aim for who are not wingers. You can see he is clearly talented (although his set piece delivery was terrible) I think he would benefit massively from playing with John Joe and Mcwilliams in the middle.

Grimes has come in for a lot of unfair criticism of late, not about some of his crossing admittedly. He never hides, always wants the ball and tries to keep our game moving. If you took him out of our game this season we’d be as good as relegated already. He’s on a season long loan in a team with a losing attitude yet he’s up for  it every game when he possibly have more right than others to think ah feck it.
I’m not saying he has been great for us I just think there are so many more players ahead of him in the to be criticised list.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Ralap on January 02, 2018, 10:05:55 am
I thought it telling yesterday that Hasselbaink totally ignored Crookes when he was substituted while thanking/congratulating the others substituted. Maybe Hasslebainks man management skills are in need of looking at?


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Ralap on January 02, 2018, 10:11:36 am
Was the defending free kicks in a row across our six yard line a result of the Pemberton effect?


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2995 on January 02, 2018, 10:15:59 am
I thought it telling yesterday that Hasselbaink totally ignored Crookes when he was substituted while thanking/congratulating the others substituted. Maybe Hasslebainks man management skills are in need of looking at?
And maybe Crooks needs to start dictating games in the way that he can .
Soft pedalling at the minute


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: lordjord on January 02, 2018, 10:17:46 am
I thought it telling yesterday that Hasselbaink totally ignored Crookes when he was substituted while thanking/congratulating the others substituted. Maybe Hasslebainks man management skills are in need of looking at?

That happens quite regularly with the subs now.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: bri77 on January 02, 2018, 10:35:34 am
Grimes has come in for a lot of unfair criticism of late, not about some of his crossing admittedly. He never hides, always wants the ball and tries to keep our game moving. If you took him out of our game this season we’d be as good as relegated already. He’s on a season long loan in a team with a losing attitude yet he’s up for  it every game when he possibly have more right than others to think ah feck it.
I’m not saying he has been great for us I just think there are so many more players ahead of him in the to be criticised list.

He is a quality player there is no doubt about that but his set piece delivery yesterday was awful and warrants the 'criticism' of them.
It's also great that he always wants the ball but more often than not it results in him being far too deep when he picks it up, we need his range of passing further upfield.

I haven't heard a lot of criticism directed at him for most of the season, has there been a lot of it?


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Ralap on January 02, 2018, 10:41:44 am
And maybe Crooks needs to start dictating games in the way that he can .
Soft pedalling at the minute

In his defence I really don’t think his most effective position is as a winger.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Ralap on January 02, 2018, 10:43:19 am
He is a quality player there is no doubt about that but his set piece delivery yesterday was awful and warrants the 'criticism' of them.
It's also great that he always wants the ball but more often than not it results in him being far too deep when he picks it up, we need his range of passing further upfield.

I haven't heard a lot of criticism directed at him for most of the season, has there been a lot of it?

On social media there has been a lot of late. Round me at the game there was some but mostly about the crossing understandably.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: bri77 on January 02, 2018, 10:46:39 am
On social media there has been a lot of late. Round me at the game there was some but mostly about the crossing understandably.

I saw a bit on Twitter after yesterday's match - plus obviously my criticisms  ;D - but hadn't heard or seen much about Grimes either way before that,


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2995 on January 02, 2018, 10:57:36 am
In his defence I really don’t think his most effective position is as a winger.
He didn’t play on the wing yesterday , he was in his favoured central position .
Didn’t pull up any trees though .

As for Grimes - he is a good player and wants the ball .
He needs to hurt teams more though because he has the talent .
For Exeter , he was a goal machine . Maybe we play him too deep .


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest48 on January 02, 2018, 11:05:56 am
I thought it telling yesterday that Hasselbaink totally ignored Crookes when he was substituted while thanking/congratulating the others substituted. Maybe Hasslebainks man management skills are in need of looking at?
I noticed that and agree that was p*ss poor man management. It doesn't encourage the player much when he gets totally ignored and then sees others getting hand shakes and pats on the back 


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 02, 2018, 11:20:54 am
He didn’t play on the wing yesterday , he was in his favoured central position .
Didn’t pull up any trees though .

As for Grimes - he is a good player and wants the ball .
He needs to hurt teams more though because he has the talent .
For Exeter , he was a goal machine . Maybe we play him too deep .

Goal machine????? Really??

He scored 1 goal in 35 games in the 2013/14 season, and then 4 goals in 25 games in 2014/15 before securing his move to Swansea.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: everbrite on January 02, 2018, 11:29:37 am
On social media there has been a lot of late. Round me at the game there was some but mostly about the crossing understandably.

Relatively little at the game in the North End of the West. Some grumbles towards end of game after his umpteenth failed corner! His current form is way below the Oxford and Gillingham games. Can do better!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2487 on January 02, 2018, 11:38:02 am
I noticed that and agree that was p*ss poor man management. It doesn't encourage the player much when he gets totally ignored and then sees others getting hand shakes and pats on the back 

Personally I've no issue with that, especially with Crooks. Strikes me as a bit of a big time charlie after being at Rangers. (That is not backed up by anything I've seen or heard, just a gut feel)


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 02, 2018, 11:46:35 am
I felt have felt a little sorry for Grimes during his time here. He has played with a ton of different partners in midfield, and has had players out wide to aim for who are not wingers. You can see he is clearly talented (although his set piece delivery was terrible) I think he would benefit massively from playing with John Joe and Mcwilliams in the middle. JFH needs to stop playing JJOT further forward, fine he may win some flick ons but he is not generally a goal threat from open play, the vast majority of his goals from us have been headed goals from set pieces. He is much more effective as a centre midfielder who can break up and link play.

Also I am not against Buchs being dropped. We had the worst defence of the teams in the 92 this calendar year, of which he has probably started every league game so I am fine with Smith having a run. Also Buchs tends to just chip the ball over the opposition RB which generally results in the ball being given away, at least Smith was looking for a pass to feet.

Agree though that we didnt threaten at all. We barely huffed or puffed, we had a lot of opportunity to get shots away on the edge of the box and we didnt pull the trigger for whatever reason. I dont know why we persist in the same substitutions also. Hoskins and Rico coming on is so predictable. Waters might not be good enough for this level but he scored 15 in league 2 last year (probably more that Hoskins has scored in his career to date) so to be left on the bench all the time makes no sense.

I am desperately hoping for lots of new faces out wide and up front in the coming week, but fear its too little too late (especially as I am not sold on JFH).

Not far off my thoughts.
Buchs isn't good enough for League One, thought that for a long while now.  Smith is raw but his speed and balls into the danger areas are good, we just need someone on the end of them.  Moloney is the same, a player who plods around like someone a lot older than his 28 (nearly 29) years, needs replacing.  
Grimes has played well alongside McGugan but needs the protection.  I would go with Crooks and JJOT swapping places, with JJOT dropping to DM and Crooks up supporting Long.
Surprised McWilliams was subbed when Powell had clearly been blowing for about ten minutes prior, Hoskins or Waters on for Powell would have made more sense.
Why we persist in lobbing balls up to Long when his strength is along the floor breaking the defensive back lines like he has done at Oxford, Pompey and yesterday (the chance shaved the far post)?
There were also a number of times when a shot was the best option (e.g. Foley 1st half, JJOT 2nd half) and the player was looking for a pass, that is a sure sign of a lack of confidence and the slagging they might get if they miss.  You'll never score if you don't shoot and if you shoot enough some (at least one) may go in!
Their player got in front of Taylor for their goal but massive concern about who should have prevented the cross, Smith was playing narrow at the time so either Foley or Powell?
Poole was probably a decent centre half at youth level, he hasn't grown or bulked up enough for the big boys and gets muscled and out jumped too often.  He can tackle and appears confident on the ball, maybe when we get our CBs back he might be better option in the DM role but still maybe still too lightweight for the Third Division.
Shaun McWilliams is a gem, I'll be surprised if we are able to hang onto him for too long.  Wigan recognised that when they took it in turns to clatter him during the game.  He must start on Saturday.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 02, 2018, 11:48:22 am
Buchs isn't good enough for League One, thought that for a long while now.  

Radio numpty reckoned he's off - with Sheff U the supposed destination  ;D


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: bri77 on January 02, 2018, 11:53:11 am
Radio numpty reckoned he's off - with Sheff U the supposed destination  ;D

We heard that in the car on the way back from the game and burst into fits of laughter. Buchanan is a million miles away from being good enough for them, he's not even good enough for us anymore.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 02, 2018, 16:48:12 pm
A New Year and Everbrite still having a snipe at fellow fans.
Different year same Cecil..


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 02, 2018, 17:24:44 pm
I do have a little chuckle to myself at games when our fans get upset at opposition 'keepers timewasting, we lapped it up when Adam Smith was at it, he is probably the best (worst?) I've ever seen at the art of timewasting. He got the odd booking but got away with it most of the time.
That's the benefit of being at home. There's more of you to make a noise whenever you feel an injustice with the referee hopefully thinking "Well, if that many people all thought it was a foul/offside/handball/he's taking too long then maybe it is?"


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 02, 2018, 17:39:57 pm
I normally try and take the claret tinted specs off and cut the refs a bit of slack (especially as the guy I sit next to each game seems to only go to moan about the ref) but I agree that he was awful...and awfully inconsistent... yesterday. What is and isn't a booking in that guys head I have no idea. However his performance in no way cost us a result.

I do have a little chuckle to myself at games when our fans get upset at opposition 'keepers timewasting, we lapped it up when Adam Smith was at it, he is probably the best (worst?) I've ever seen at the art of timewasting. He got the odd booking but got away with it most of the time.

Its a bit sad that we have to blame the referees!! But it is true that in general standard of refereeing is slipping.

That said, again the players should take a bit of responsibility. Why do they steal 10 yards at every throw? Why do they timewaste? Why do they place the ball outside the corner quadrant if they can get away with it? Why do they appeal for everything even when its plainly obvious it isn't their ball? Why do they "foul" to stop a player getting away and then protest their innocence? Why do players go down at the merest touch?

All of the above examples are cheating.....some call it gamesmanship, some call it professionalism....I call it cheating!! It all needs to be clamped down on. Both teams, all the time.

I laugh at home games....there are a couple of vociferous "anti refs" who sit on the back row of the West who call for everything, slag the ref and linesman off all the time, but conveniently forget when "our team" does exactly the same!!

The Blackburn game Cornell was time wasting...he even had a chuckle about it!! The Wigan game their keeper was taking an age......part and parcel of the game??


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest47 on January 02, 2018, 18:45:05 pm
Goal machine????? Really??

He scored 1 goal in 35 games in the 2013/14 season, and then 4 goals in 25 games in 2014/15 before securing his move to Swansea.

For us, that's a goal machine.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: EssTeeFree on January 02, 2018, 19:02:27 pm
That's the benefit of being at home. There's more of you to make a noise whenever you feel an injustice with the referee hopefully thinking "Well, if that many people all thought it was a foul/offside/handball/he's taking too long then maybe it is?"

Yep I completely get the point of the crowd getting into the refs mind, I was more talking about those that get apoplectic with rage that the opposition keeper walks to the other side of the 6yard box each goal kick. They’re not necessarily shouting at the ref just seething to themselves semi quietly then spending 10 minutes banging on about it, while lapping it up when our keeper does it. They’re going to do themselves in the poor lambs.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: EssTeeFree on January 02, 2018, 19:08:02 pm
Its a bit sad that we have to blame the referees!! But it is true that in general standard of refereeing is slipping.

That said, again the players should take a bit of responsibility. Why do they steal 10 yards at every throw? Why do they timewaste? Why do they place the ball outside the corner quadrant if they can get away with it? Why do they appeal for everything even when its plainly obvious it isn't their ball? Why do they "foul" to stop a player getting away and then protest their innocence? Why do players go down at the merest touch?

All of the above examples are cheating.....some call it gamesmanship, some call it professionalism....I call it cheating!! It all needs to be clamped down on. Both teams, all the time.

I laugh at home games....there are a couple of vociferous "anti refs" who sit on the back row of the West who call for everything, slag the ref and linesman off all the time, but conveniently forget when "our team" does exactly the same!!

The Blackburn game Cornell was time wasting...he even had a chuckle about it!! The Wigan game their keeper was taking an age......part and parcel of the game??

Yes we have poor refs but it’s the same ref for both sides. The chap I sit next to in the north bangs on all game every game about where the opposition take throw ins / free kicks from, what they appeal for (for which they are always labelled cheats) but obviously has no problem with our players doing the same. Every defeat is the refs fault, without fail. Every decision is unfair, every booking is unjust. Every infringement by the opposition is met with “our player would be sent off for that”.

We’re all obviously biased but I do worry that some folk genuinely believe we’re the most discriminated team in world football.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest47 on January 02, 2018, 19:28:43 pm
Yep I completely get the point of the crowd getting into the refs mind, I was more talking about those that get apoplectic with rage that the opposition keeper walks to the other side of the 6yard box each goal kick. They’re not necessarily shouting at the ref just seething to themselves semi quietly then spending 10 minutes banging on about it, while lapping it up when our keeper does it. They’re going to do themselves in the poor lambs.

It could be got rid of at a stroke by the ref simply adding the time on. I don't know why they are so scared to add on plenty of extra time when a team has been time wasting, stupid last minute subs etc. The TV schedule excuse doesn't wash either (not that it applies to our games), there's always at least half an hour of interviews and punditry after the game so there's no damage in cutting into that.
If refs added double the time wasted to a game you would get the great spectacle of a winning side rushing to take goal kicks and throw ins.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: EssTeeFree on January 02, 2018, 19:35:25 pm
It could be got rid of at a stroke by the ref simply adding the time on. I don't know why they are so scared to add on plenty of extra time when a team has been time wasting, stupid last minute subs etc. The TV schedule excuse doesn't wash either (not that it applies to our games), there's always at least half an hour of interviews and punditry after the game so there's no damage in cutting into that.
If refs added double the time wasted to a game you would get the great spectacle of a winning side rushing to take goal kicks and throw ins.

I think there was a proposal to have a play clock that is ~30 minutes per half that is only active when the ball is in play but it was generally thought to be a bad idea. It’s a shame, I think this could have been quite effective to get rid of all the attempted time wasting, slow throw ins, restarts and the tedious walk off substitutions.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 02, 2018, 21:13:12 pm
The official on Monday wasn't as biased as some of those here and Monday are expressing. I also wondered why he didn't caution their FB in the 8th minute when he pulled Powell back. Maybe it was in the "too early" category, which I don't agree with, they'll get it from me in the 1st or the 90th if they deserve it.  ;D
I hear crowds shouting down referee decisions all the time and it 'can' have an effect but you never know which way, either for an easier time or to be stubborn against the 'abuse' but all within the interpretation of the Laws. The majority of the time it has little effect.

As GPC has said, the first lesson of refereeing is understanding that all players are cheats, whether it be appealing for a throw they know isn't or diving in the box.  ;)

But there are those who try to influence the decisions that they know have been made correctly, I do it all the time from my seat in the stands when I'm wearing claret, and there are those that shout the abuse/influence convinced that the official has got it wrong when in fact their version of the Laws are different to what is in the book.
If you are going to criticise the official, ensure that you know the Laws and the accepted interpretations first, that helps the blood pressure.
The Pompey official was different, it was only his second game in L1 this season and in front of over 18k he appeared to struggle with his confidence, he will have had better games but that probably wasn't one of them, all referees have them. He'll know that himself, but you could never accuse him of bias, he wasn't particularly good for both teams.  ;D


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: everbrite on January 02, 2018, 21:16:23 pm
It could be got rid of at a stroke by the ref simply adding the time on. I don't know why they are so scared to add on plenty of extra time when a team has been time wasting, stupid last minute subs etc. The TV schedule excuse doesn't wash either (not that it applies to our games), there's always at least half an hour of interviews and punditry after the game so there's no damage in cutting into that.
If refs added double the time wasted to a game you would get the great spectacle of a winning side rushing to take goal kicks and throw ins.

.................plus teams exhibiting undue sportsmanship.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest48 on January 02, 2018, 23:11:15 pm
The official on Monday wasn't as biased as some of those here and Monday are expressing. I also wondered why he didn't caution their FB in the 8th minute when he pulled Powell back. Maybe it was in the "too early" category, which I don't agree with, they'll get it from me in the 1st or the 90th if they deserve it.  ;D
The Pompey official was different, it was only his second game in L1 this season and in front of over 18k he appeared to struggle with his confidence, he will have had better games but that probably wasn't one of them, all referees have them. He'll know that himself, but you could never accuse him of bias, he wasn't particularly good for both teams.  ;D
All I ask for is consistency, we have had quite a few bookings for kicking the ball away this season and quite rightly, but the number of times I've seem opposition players  and players on TV games do it and not get even spoken to, let alone  a booking really annoys  me. The ref yesterday had the attitude of "Wigan are top of the League so they won't do anything wrong, Northampton are at the bottom so they will be kicking seven lumps out of anything that moves" it stood out a mile


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 02, 2018, 23:36:26 pm
All I ask for is consistency, we have had quite a few bookings for kicking the ball away this season and quite rightly, but the number of times I've seem opposition players  and players on TV games do it and not get even spoken to, let alone  a booking really annoys  me. The ref yesterday had the attitude of "Wigan are top of the League so they won't do anything wrong, Northampton are at the bottom so they will be kicking seven lumps out of anything that moves" it stood out a mile

I'll help you to remove your claret specs on Saturday...  ;D


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: bri77 on January 03, 2018, 08:51:40 am
Surely it's part and parcel of football to put pressure on the ref?

I know I have Claret specs on at a match no matter how hard I try but not everytime I grumble is it directed at the officials.
There are plenty of times its been a grumble at one of our players for committing a stupid foul which is probably perceived as a grumble at the ref.

That said, the ref on monday was awful, that early fould on Powell was followed a few minutes later by another foul by their number 26, if the first one was in the 'too early to book' camp then the second one wasn't.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 03, 2018, 10:52:59 am
All I ask for is consistency, we have had quite a few bookings for kicking the ball away this season and quite rightly, but the number of times I've seem opposition players  and players on TV games do it and not get even spoken to, let alone  a booking really annoys  me. The ref yesterday had the attitude of "Wigan are top of the League so they won't do anything wrong, Northampton are at the bottom so they will be kicking seven lumps out of anything that moves" it stood out a mile

I've got to say this is how I saw it. The last time I felt a ref was BIASED was years ago. And I mean that.

He should have booked 5, maybe 6 of their players. He booked 1. He also booked Crooks for a nothing challenge, unless it was for verbals?

There was one instance in the 2nd half when one of their players climbed onto Crooks and sat on his head…3 seconds later and an innocuous challenge from one of our players, Wigan free kick. Unbelievable Jeff!

In the 2nd half, he actually gave us a free kick. Around 2 seconds after he had blown his whistle the Wigan player smashed it 50 yards up the pitch. Didn't even speak with him. JJ got sent off (2nd booking) last season for not having the time to breath, Crooks (rightly) got sent off at Southend (2nd booking). Why didn't the Wigan player get booked, far more obvious than either of those two!

'The too early' thing that Deepcut mentions, exactly what i said at the time. What a load of rubbish that is!





Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Quintonside on January 03, 2018, 11:17:06 am
I've got to say this is how I saw it. The last time I felt a ref was BIASED was years ago. And I mean that.

He should have booked 5, maybe 6 of their players. He booked 1. He also booked Crooks for a nothing challenge, unless it was for verbals?

There was one instance in the 2nd half when one of their players climbed onto Crooks and sat on his head…3 seconds later and an innocuous challenge from one of our players, Wigan free kick. Unbelievable Jeff!

In the 2nd half, he actually gave us a free kick. Around 2 seconds after he had blown his whistle the Wigan player smashed it 50 yards up the pitch. Didn't even speak with him. JJ got sent off (2nd booking) last season for not having the time to breath, Crooks (rightly) got sent off at Southend (2nd booking). Why didn't the Wigan player get booked, far more obvious than either of those two!

'The too early' thing that Deepcut mentions, exactly what i said at the time. What a load of rubbish that is!




I agree, I don’t find any of the refs biased to or for us. I just find the vast majority of them inconsistent or just not very good. Then a fair few just whistle happy power freaks.

Having said that, the footballers we have seen this season both for us and against haven’t been much better!!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest1269 on January 03, 2018, 11:29:46 am
Just to balance the too early discussion - whilst clearly if the offense warrants a yellow that’s what should be given be it the 1st or the 90th minute - however the better refs tend to sus out the tempo of the game early on as to is it necessary to stamp authority early. They also have a totting up system for persistent minor offenses before they finally reach for the yellow and you can see them explaining - “there, there and now it’s yellow” - probably for JJOT a good thing or he would see many more early baths!


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Quintonside on January 03, 2018, 12:16:59 pm
Just to balance the too early discussion - whilst clearly if the offense warrants a yellow that’s what should be given be it the 1st or the 90th minute - however the better refs tend to sus out the tempo of the game early on as to is it necessary to stamp authority early. They also have a totting up system for persistent minor offenses before they finally reach for the yellow and you can see them explaining - “there, there and now it’s yellow” - probably for JJOT a good thing or he would see many more early baths!

I agree with this regarding sussing then tempo and also totting up.

On the flip side of that, the amount of subs that come on and then get booked for their first foul in the game is ridulous, when the same fouls frequently occur in the first half without bookings.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2677 on January 03, 2018, 14:08:07 pm
If you are going to criticise the official, ensure that you know the Laws and the accepted interpretations first, that helps the blood pressure.

DC, what was your take on the incident towards the west and north stand ten yards or so outside the box when our player (Foley?) went to ground under a challenge and in doing so prevented/made it difficult for the Wigan player from getting to the ball?
The ref blew for a foul against us which sent several close to me into apoplectic rage in the North, which I found funny.
It was difficult to see if any foul had been committed against Foley initially but he clearly impeded (intentional or not) the Wigan player from getting to the loose ball.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 03, 2018, 14:35:17 pm
DC, what was your take on the incident towards the west and north stand ten yards or so outside the box when our player (Foley?) went to ground under a challenge and in doing so prevented/made it difficult for the Wigan player from getting to the ball?
The ref blew for a foul against us which sent several close to me into apoplectic rage in the North, which I found funny.
It was difficult to see if any foul had been committed against Foley initially but he clearly impeded (intentional or not) the Wigan player from getting to the loose ball.

That was right in front of me.  Foley wasn't fouled but when he went down he actually grabbed/tapped the Wigan players ankle with his hand and brought him down. A good spot by the official, who was on the blindside of the incident.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 03, 2018, 14:50:17 pm

'The too early' thing that Deepcut mentions, exactly what I said at the time. What a load of rubbish that is!


I agree, if it's a 50/50 and it's early you defer to not cautioning because it then sets a low threshold for later in the game however if it's a mandatory caution, like this because it was "interfering with or breaking up a promising attack", it's never too early.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest2677 on January 03, 2018, 16:03:11 pm
That was right in front of me.  Foley wasn't fouled but when he went down he actually grabbed/tapped the Wigan players ankle with his hand and brought him down. A good spot by the official, who was on the blindside of the incident.
That's where you had the advantage, I was blindside so didn't realize Foley had tapped his ankle but it was obvious that the Wigan player had been impeded.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest48 on January 03, 2018, 23:18:03 pm
I'll help you to remove your claret specs on Saturday...  ;D
Hey Rim, did I see Wigan taking a free kick from the wrong place and with a moving ball only for us to have to retake a free kick because the ref wasn't ready?
 Another one tonight on TV, booted the ball miles after a free kick was given against him, not a word from the man in black, just need a bit of consistency  ;)


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 04, 2018, 10:20:56 am
Hey Rim, did I see Wigan taking a free kick from the wrong place and with a moving ball only for us to have to retake a free kick because the ref wasn't ready?
 Another one tonight on TV, booted the ball miles after a free kick was given against him, not a word from the man in black, just need a bit of consistency  ;)

If it's the one that I recall, it was in the Wigan half, within a distance that wouldn't have a major impact, although for a moving ball it's at the discretion of the official to manage in allowing the game to flow. I normally pull it back if it's obvious but you get whinges either way, so damned if you do and damned if you don't.  For a free kick in the attacking half where the correct ball placement is critical you will very rarely, if at all, see that.
Having to re-take a free kick is normally because the official has decided to either issue a caution or formally speak to the player and that process hasn't been completed.

I saw the kicking away tonight, although it appeared that the official didn't speak to the player, he did enough verbally and by indication to the player that he wasn't to do that again or he would be sanctioned the next time.  Doing this at a distance is a useful method of relaying that message to all players because it is loud and/or visual enough for all to see/note.  The next one who does it, irrespective of who, will receive the caution.  (That may have been the case when JJOT was sent off).
If a team is one up (or hanging on for an away draw) with about ten minutes to go I normally have an in-game chat with the captain to warn him that any player overtly wasting time will be cautioned and for him to warn his players.  There is no excuse then.
There is a lot of talking between officials and players during the game, even whilst the ball is in play so although it may appear to the crowd that a player/team hasn't been pulled up for an offence, he/they will have got the message either individually or through their captain.

Similarly, the crowd who complain that an official has given a decision that he could never have seen in a million years, the headsets the four officials wear are an excellent tool for relaying and agreeing decisions without bringing the decision maker to the attention of the crowd.  It is much better that the man in the middle takes the flack (moving target) rather than an AR or 4O who is relatively static on the touchline with a hostile crowd behind them! Having experienced that, it isn't a good position to be in however correct your decision has been...

I would argue that there is a good level of consistency, it's just that it isn't always overtly demonstrated.


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: guest48 on January 04, 2018, 10:35:19 am
If it's the one that I recall, it was in the Wigan half, within a distance that wouldn't have a major impact, although for a moving ball it's at the discretion of the official to manage in allowing the game to flow. I normally pull it back if it's obvious but you get whinges either way, so damned if you do and damned if you don't.  For a free kick in the attacking half where the correct ball placement is critical you will very rarely, if at all, see that.
Having to re-take a free kick is normally because the official has decided to either issue a caution or formally speak to the player and that process hasn't been completed.

I saw the kicking away tonight, although it appeared that the official didn't speak to the player, he did enough verbally and by indication to the player that he wasn't to do that again or he would be sanctioned the next time.  Doing this at a distance is a useful method of relaying that message to all players because it is loud and/or visual enough for all to see/note.  The next one who does it, irrespective of who, will receive the caution.  (That may have been the case when JJOT was sent off).
If a team is one up (or hanging on for an away draw) with about ten minutes to go I normally have an in-game chat with the captain to warn him that any player overtly wasting time will be cautioned and for him to warn his players.  There is no excuse then.
There is a lot of talking between officials and players during the game, even whilst the ball is in play so although it may appear to the crowd that a player/team hasn't been pulled up for an offence, he/they will have got the message either individually or through their captain.

Similarly, the crowd who complain that an official has given a decision that he could never have seen in a million years, the headsets the four officials wear are an excellent tool for relaying and agreeing decisions without bringing the decision maker to the attention of the crowd.  It is much better that the man in the middle takes the flack (moving target) rather than an AR or 4O who is relatively static on the touchline with a hostile crowd behind them! Having experienced that, it isn't a good position to be in however correct your decision has been...

I would argue that there is a good level of consistency, it's just that it isn't always overtly demonstrated.
I can now see the problem, we should have you reffing us instead of all the t*ssers the Football League keep sending !   ;D

 


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 04, 2018, 19:49:47 pm
I can now see the problem, we should have you reffing us instead of all the t*ssers the Football League keep sending !   ;D

 

 ;D


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: #Frank on January 04, 2018, 19:55:58 pm
Why is it that the linos running east stand side are much better than the muppets that ply a balding and usually way behind the play trade down the west?

That's what I wan't to know?


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: everbrite on January 04, 2018, 20:05:35 pm
Why is it that the linos running east stand side are much better than the muppets that ply a balding and usually way behind the play trade down the west?

That's what I wan't to know?

Franks back chaps; happy days are here again! Mums relented 8)


Title: Re: Wigan Athletic (H) 01/01/18
Post by: #Frank on January 04, 2018, 20:34:08 pm
Franks back chaps; happy days are here again! Mums relented 8)

Yes, thanks for talking her round dad  ;)