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Title: Rochdale
Post by: guest48 on January 29, 2018, 19:30:10 pm
I see that they COULD be at home to Spurs in the FA Cup. Their replay against Millwall is next Tuesday so, hopefully, none of them will want to get injured on Saturday  :)
    The ideal scenario for us is that they take it easy on Saturday and then get knocked out by Millwall, thus depriving them of extra cash  8)


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Grove on January 29, 2018, 19:39:34 pm
Let them have the extra cash Roger, the window will be closed and more fixture congestion


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on January 29, 2018, 20:00:36 pm
I think Keith Hill should rest his key players in readiness for the big cup match against Millwall and a chance to take on Spurs. They need the cash to sort out the swamp of a pitch they play on.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on January 29, 2018, 20:04:11 pm
Their game at home to Wigan Athletic tomorrow night has been postponed - no guesses why!

Slight fixture pile up on the horizon there for Dale!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest47 on January 29, 2018, 20:10:18 pm
Their game at home to Wigan Athletic tomorrow night has been postponed - no guesses why!

Slight fixture pile up on the horizon there for Dale!

I guess they would rather not play the league leaders straight after a tough cup game. They could have had the decency to pretend they wanted to play the game rather than call it off two days in advance.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on January 29, 2018, 20:12:21 pm
Their game at home to Wigan Athletic tomorrow night has been postponed - no guesses why!

Slight fixture pile up on the horizon there for Dale!

Must be bad if it's being postponed this early.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2487 on January 29, 2018, 20:15:53 pm
There was a photo of the Rochdale pitch on Twitter, looked pretty waterlogged!

No suggestions if they watered it themselves.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on January 29, 2018, 20:20:21 pm
Apparently they tried to play the fixture elswhere including the DW but the Football League said no.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Irchy cob on January 29, 2018, 20:34:42 pm
Apparently they tried to play the fixture elswhere including the DW but the Football League said no.

I saw that - bizarre! Talk about contrary to the integrity of the competition - they even suggested a neutral venue!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: lodgeadam on January 29, 2018, 20:40:13 pm
I see that they COULD be at home to Spurs in the FA Cup. Their replay against Millwall is next Tuesday so, hopefully, none of them will want to get injured on Saturday  :)
    The ideal scenario for us is that they take it easy on Saturday and then get knocked out by Millwall, thus depriving them of extra cash  8)

If you are building an ideal scenario: surely it is for us to win by at least 30 goals.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on January 29, 2018, 20:44:28 pm
They will be amazed at our pitch. Looking better than many big name clubs above us. Cardiff's pitch looked a mess on TV the other day.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on January 29, 2018, 21:05:04 pm
Apparently they tried to play the fixture elswhere including the DW but the Football League said no.
Havant & Waterlooville wanted to switch their Tue night home game with Oxford City a couple of weeks back, offering to play at Oxford City (who now have 3G pitch) for the same reason.
Also refused by the powers that be!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on January 29, 2018, 21:51:18 pm
If you are building an ideal scenario: surely it is for us to win by at least 30 goals.

Don't want to burst any bubbles on here, but Rochdale will be no walk over and may be a hard nut to crack! Their display at Millwall suggests that alone, which according to match reports they should have won. To me the important thing is not to lose or at the very least not to concede a goal. What is certain they will not want to lose here. Incidentally the Sky Prediction League 1 table still had us in the relegation zone ! With Rochdale above us (even tho' we were several points ahead of them). What a strange formula they use.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 29, 2018, 22:00:06 pm
2-0 JJOT and Long


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: memyhead on January 29, 2018, 22:05:44 pm
Predict an extreamly difficult game, as always against the Dale, a must not lose...

1-0 Van Veen off the bench!  :P


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on January 29, 2018, 22:08:52 pm


1-0 Van Veen off the bench!  :P

Might not make the squad due to injury.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on January 29, 2018, 22:12:28 pm
20 wins, 20 losses and 22 draws against Rochdale down the years. Probably end up being another draw.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2487 on January 29, 2018, 22:13:41 pm
I wonder if we will play Bunney at left back. Rochdale more than anyone will know all about him and how to exploit his weaknesses.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on January 29, 2018, 22:30:33 pm
I wonder if we will play Bunney at left back. Rochdale more than anyone will know all about him and how to exploit his weaknesses.

Let them worry about his strengths, mainly his ability to find JJ with pin point crosses. Should be a good passing surface with rain forecast in the morning but dry for kick off. Quite cold though.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 30, 2018, 06:17:43 am
It's hard enough predicting our results yet alone forecasting the weather in 5 days' time.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on January 30, 2018, 06:29:14 am
I see that they COULD be at home to Spurs in the FA Cup. Their replay against Millwall is next Tuesday so, hopefully, none of them will want to get injured on Saturday  :)
    The ideal scenario for us is that they take it easy on Saturday and then get knocked out by Millwall, thus depriving them of extra cash  8)
A bit harsh, Roger. They're hardly Man City!!!!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Wolvo on January 30, 2018, 09:23:28 am
Easy to see why Bunney was top of the assist league over at Rochdale. 2 games 2 assists so far. Hopefully he can put on a big performance against his former club whilst Berto gets the majority of 90 minutes to torment his replacement.

Looking forward to this match. You'd assume he'd go with a similar line up to the previous couple of games, but with Hoskins looking out of form I think one of the new wingers will start in his place with Foley playing in front of Bunney.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 30, 2018, 09:37:56 am
Sorry, cut and paste hasn't come out well. But its enough to show that Rochdale are not just 23rd in the league, they are 24th on current form. Coupled with their FA Cup 'distraction' anything other than a win for us on Saturday would be considered a huge setback.

That said, they may will be deeming this as potentially their last chance salon game. Win it and they are back in the running (factoring in games in hand), lose it and it will be very very difficult for them to stay up. So we have to be very focused, very 'up for it' and come up with the right blend of 'respecting them and going for them' if that makes sense.

Id revert back to the starting line up we went with against MK but replace Hoskins with one of the two on loan wingers, whichever one is most fit to start. *

*unless we sign some amazing player before 11pm tomorrow of course!







Current 2017/18 League One Form Table, Last 6 Matches, Home and Away
Pos   Team   P       W   D   L   GF   GA       W   D   L   GF   GA       GD   Pts
1   Rotherham United   6       2   1   0   4   1       2   1   0   6   2       7   14
2   Gillingham   6       2   2   0   7   5       2   0   0   5   2       5   14
3   Wigan Athletic   6       0   3   0   0   0       3   0   0   11   1       10   12
4   Blackburn Rovers   6       2   2   0   8   4       1   1   0   3   2       5   12
5   Bristol Rovers   6       2   0   0   5   2       1   3   0   4   2       5   12
6   AFC Wimbledon   6       2   0   0   4   0       1   2   1   7   4       7   11
7   Peterborough United   6       2   1   0   7   1       1   1   1   3   2       7   11
8   Plymouth Argyle   6       2   0   1   5   3       1   2   0   5   4       3   11
9   Shrewsbury Town   6       1   1   0   3   2       2   1   1   4   4       1   11
10   Northampton Town   6       2   0   1   5   3       1   1   1   4   5       1   10
11   Charlton Athletic   6       2   0   1   5   3       1   1   1   2   3       1   10
12   Fleetwood Town   6       0   0   2   2   4       3   0   1   7   4       1   9
13   Oxford United   6       2   0   1   5   3       0   1   2   4   6       0   7
14   Doncaster Rovers   6       1   1   1   4   4       0   3   0   4   4       0   7
15   Portsmouth   6       2   1   1   6   4       0   0   2   1   3       0   7
16   Sc***horpe United   6       1   1   1   3   4       0   2   1   5   6       -2   6
17   Southend United   6       2   0   2   8   7       0   0   2   1   5       -3   6
18   Bradford City   6       1   0   2   4   8       1   0   2   3   6       -7   6
19   Blackpool   6       0   2   1   4   5       1   0   2   2   4       -3   5
20   Walsall   6       1   1   1   3   3       0   1   2   2   5       -3   5
21   MK Dons   6       1   1   1   1   1       0   0   3   3   7       -4   4
22   Bury   6       0   0   3   0   6       1   0   2   2   5       -9   3
23   Oldham Athletic   6       0   2   1   3   4       0   0   3   0   5       -6   2
24   Rochdale   6       0   2   1   2   3       0   0   3   1   6       -6   2


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2995 on January 30, 2018, 09:46:01 am
I can’t see JFH starting with Hilda in this game .
He has traditionally been a cautious manager , particularly when we need to win and are only just out the drop zone .
He may just start with Powell ahead of Hoskins but I wouldn’t be surprised if he reverted back to the side that beat MK with foley on the left .
Everyone wants to see the exciting players on loan but I’m not sure JFH trusts them enough to start .


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: threeinabed on January 30, 2018, 09:51:39 am
i would trust them both over powell, as they both have some quality going forward - powell does not.

that said, hilda hasnt looked fit so maybe the former MK fella will come in.

or as always, he might go solid and unspectacular with foley and bob on as the widemen.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Saint Cobbler on January 30, 2018, 10:25:38 am
If my memory doesn't fail me, Powell was one of our best players just before his injury. Think he'll be a straight swap for Hoskins.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Razor on January 30, 2018, 11:12:18 am
If my memory doesn't fail me, Powell was one of our best players just before his injury. Think he'll be a straight swap for Hoskins.

He was looking particularly sharp at Oxford before being forced off, however it took him about 3 months to get up to speed and deliver the performance level required.

We can't afford for him to take that long again.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on January 30, 2018, 11:15:06 am
By all accounts Poole had a good game at Blackburn and Bunney is looking a real asset on the left side of midfield. So I would think same again unless he wants to chance one of the loanee wingers in place of Hoskins.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Wolvo on January 30, 2018, 11:44:19 am
He was looking particularly sharp at Oxford before being forced off, however it took him about 3 months to get up to speed and deliver the performance level required.

We can't afford for him to take that long again.

Strange that both Powell and Bowditch were looking good against a full back Oxford describe as their 'worst ever defender'.

Powell has had about a game and a half where he's looked good. Hoping Berto and Ariyibi can prove to be vast improvements.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: threeinabed on January 30, 2018, 12:33:37 pm
Bunney is looking a real asset on the left side of midfield.

played there once


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: TownOwl on January 30, 2018, 12:52:13 pm
In his interview at Blackburn I noticed JFH did a speech on how good Ash Taylor was, followed up by how well the full backs did. I therefore thought it notable that Poole, the third of the four defenders, was not included in the praise. Maybe it was only an oversight, or maybe Turnbull will be back in there, or maybe a new defender is on the way.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2995 on January 30, 2018, 13:14:49 pm
In his interview at Blackburn I noticed JFH did a speech on how good Ash Taylor was, followed up by how well the full backs did. I therefore thought it notable that Poole, the third of the four defenders, was not included in the praise. Maybe it was only an oversight, or maybe Turnbull will be back in there, or maybe a new defender is on the way.
Poole was at fault for the goal and JFH said as much .
He had a good game otherwise but mistakes cost points .


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest170 on January 30, 2018, 13:51:41 pm
Poole was at fault for the goal and JFH said as much .
He had a good game otherwise but mistakes cost points .
He could have done better but Bunney was the player at fault for passing it their player who set up the goal and was lost a bit in the build up to it as well


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 30, 2018, 14:03:30 pm
He could have done better but Bunney was the player at fault for passing it their player who set up the goal and was lost a bit in the build up to it as well

Agreed...


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 30, 2018, 14:05:23 pm
I think that we should announce NFL style offense & defense line ups, given we have about 40 players in the squad.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on January 30, 2018, 14:59:04 pm
played there once


2 games 2 assists. Compare with Powell.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: just.reading on January 30, 2018, 15:07:41 pm
Too soon for Van Veen to come into the side? I reckon it will be either the same side who beat Bradford or:

----------O'Donnell-------------

Facey---Taylor---Poole---Turnbull

Crooks--Grimes--O'Toole--Bunney

--------Van Veen---Long--------

So Hoskins losing out for the more unnatural Crooks on the wing.



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Poggy on January 30, 2018, 15:23:00 pm
               O'Donnell

Facey   Taylor   Turnbull  Bunney

                 Grimes

       O'Toole  Crooks  Foley

           Van Veen    Long

A little narrow but the full back can provide good width. Plenty of options on the bench if we need to change the game


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on January 30, 2018, 15:25:31 pm
                O'Donnell
     Facey Taylor Turnbull Bunney
         Grimes O'Toole Crooks
Hoskins        Long           Van Veen

Van Veen cutting inside, in that video he's scored a number of goals like that.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 30, 2018, 15:55:39 pm
              O'Donnell

   Facey   Taylor   Turnbull  Bunney

                 Grimes

       O'Toole    Foley

 Van Veen  The Revmeister   Long


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 30, 2018, 15:58:34 pm
              O'Donnell

   Facey   Taylor   Turnbull  Bunney

                 Grimes

       O'Toole    Foley

 Van Veen  The Revmeister   Long

Like that, with players on the bench that can be brought on to make an impact...


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: OCoole on January 30, 2018, 17:06:41 pm
              O'Donnell

   Facey   Taylor   Turnbull  Bunney

                 Grimes

       O'Toole    Foley

 Van Veen  The Revmeister   Long

Are you Alex Revell in disguise?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: OCoole on January 30, 2018, 17:20:31 pm
Are you Alex Revell in disguise?


Good luck at Stevenage bro


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2539 on January 30, 2018, 19:08:08 pm
The club have made the effort, so let's hope Cobblers fans make the effort and put another 500 on the gate.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 31, 2018, 09:34:36 am
Anybody who omits JJOT from team selection deserves to be sent to Stevenage!

He didn't...


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on January 31, 2018, 09:37:46 am
He didn't...

Get my hat!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2995 on January 31, 2018, 10:04:42 am
The team I would like to see is

         O’Donnell

Facey.   Taylor.  Turnbull   Bunney

         Grimes.   JJOT   Crooks

 Berto.           Long.               Van Veen     

The team I think he will play is

       O’ Donnell

Facey       Taylor.    Turnbull.   Bunney

           Grimes     Crooks

Powell.         JJOT                     Van Veen

                Long         


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on January 31, 2018, 10:59:53 am
Lund doesn't play for them any more I hope. Can remember him destroying us at a home game not so long ago.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on January 31, 2018, 11:30:14 am
Still got Ian Henderson though, 80 goals in 228 starts for them. One that got away!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest1269 on January 31, 2018, 11:42:07 am
Still got Ian Henderson though, 80 goals in 228 starts for them. One that got away!

....and he always scores against us so we definitely need 2!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 31, 2018, 11:45:30 am
Lund doesn't play for them any more I hope. Can remember him destroying us at a home game not so long ago.

He doesn't! He went to Burton and failed to get a look in...went on loan to Bradford last week.

He scored all 3 against us in their 3-2 win just over a year ago.....and yes, he was unplayable that day.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Wolvo on January 31, 2018, 11:48:10 am
He doesn't! He went to Burton and failed to get a look in...went on loan to Bradford last week.

He scored all 3 against us in their 3-2 win just over a year ago.....and yes, he was unplayable that day.

Their left back made Hoskins and Phillips look non league that day.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on January 31, 2018, 12:37:13 pm
Hello Rochdale fans.

If you have any rather rotund fans visiting Sixfields for the game on Saturday can you ensure they sit in the front row and are willing to stand up and expose their belly when they hear "you fat bastard, you fat bastard " echoing from the top of the west stand.

Thanking you in advance

#Frank


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on January 31, 2018, 18:07:21 pm
Hello Rochdale fans.

If you have any rather rotund fans visiting Sixfields for the game on Saturday can you ensure they sit in the front row and are willing to stand up and expose their belly when they hear "you fat bastard, you fat bastard " echoing from the top of the west stand.

Thanking you in advance

#Frank

There are times when I feel you are not quite all there. Now don't get upset hopefully its just a passing whim or two. Woman trouble?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on January 31, 2018, 18:34:35 pm
There are times when I feel you are not quite all there. Now don't get upset hopefully its just a passing whim or two. Woman trouble?
Gives it...but can't take it I'd say!

#blackburnbanter


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: lordjord on February 01, 2018, 11:57:04 am
Hoping that one of either Ariyibi or Periera come in for Hoskins. We need to be going at these teams with our most creative players.

I wouldnt like to predict the starting XI. At least I never have to worry about the prospect of Rico and Revell starting together again, that aged me several years watching that, let alone Revs being started out wide..


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Wolvo on February 01, 2018, 12:01:03 pm
Hoping that one of either Ariyibi or Periera come in for Hoskins. We need to be going at these teams with our most creative players.

Imagine starting them both on opposite flanks. Van Veen and Long up top. O'Toole and Grimes holding things together. Facey and Bunney offering additional width from deeper positions.

We COULD potentially have a very attacking starting 11 at our disposal.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: OCoole on February 01, 2018, 12:18:21 pm
Hoskins certainly doesn't deserve a starting spot based on recent form imo.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2995 on February 01, 2018, 12:50:15 pm
Imagine starting them both on opposite flanks. Van Veen and Long up top. O'Toole and Grimes holding things together. Facey and Bunney offering additional width from deeper positions.

We COULD potentially have a very attacking starting 11 at our disposal.
I think we would all love to see this happening but while we sit perilously close to the relegation zone , and play teams around us , JFH will not go gun ho .
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Foley and Powell playing wide on Saturday
.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 01, 2018, 13:28:46 pm
Hoskins certainly doesn't deserve a starting spot based on recent form imo.

Thought he did ok at Blkburn el Selecto. Would suggest that he might even start. Whether my more learned selectoista's might agree is another matter.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 01, 2018, 18:07:10 pm
Rochdale have signed a few!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: wrigleys on February 01, 2018, 18:43:03 pm
Isn’t Hilda still too fat to play 90 mins?

I predict a 0.2 win for Dale, we’ll be too overconfident


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 01, 2018, 21:48:39 pm
Isn’t Hilda still too fat to play 90 mins?

I predict a 0.2 win for Dale, we’ll be too overconfident

You have got the last few games wrong -  must be disappointing for you?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 02, 2018, 08:00:39 am
We have a critical game on Sat yet some of you prefer to feed ‘78, or pointless posts about the ReDev, or unbelievably MK from 2 weeks ago ::) I Guarantee there will be some chirping on even after we KO on Saturday.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3114 on February 02, 2018, 08:40:57 am
We have a critical game on Sat yet some of you prefer to feed ‘78, or pointless posts about the ReDev, or unbelievably MK from 2 weeks ago ::) I Guarantee there will be some chirping on even after we KO on Saturday.
Fair point Evers, believe it or not though I rarely get as excited as I am for this one over here. The atmosphere in my front room can be a bit flat at times. I have absolutely no idea what side Jimmys going to put out, Van has to play doesn’t he? He won’t drop Long so how will we line up? Reckon he’ll go Van, Long and JJ behind using the full backs for the width? At least I hope he does, frankly I can’t wait.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: EssTeeFree on February 02, 2018, 08:46:50 am
Been wondering how our glorious leader will fit everyone in to the team, I've got a sneaky suspicion the team we will see on Saturday is;

O'Donnell
Facey Taylor Turnbull Bunney
Ariybi O'Toole Grimes Crooks
Van Veen Long



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: threeinabed on February 02, 2018, 09:10:16 am
Been wondering how our glorious leader will fit everyone in to the team, I've got a sneaky suspicion the team we will see on Saturday is;

O'Donnell
Facey Taylor Turnbull Bunney
Ariybi O'Toole Grimes Crooks
Van Veen Long


i think KVV will start from the bench - foley to start on the left in place of him, keeping the same formation as recent weeks - then the portuguese nutter and KVV to come on and cause mayhem late doors.



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: EssTeeFree on February 02, 2018, 09:16:47 am
i think KVV will start from the bench - foley to start on the left in place of him, keeping the same formation as recent weeks - then the portuguese nutter and KVV to come on and cause mayhem late doors.

Love the sound of that to be fair........as long as we aren't 3 down when he brings them on  ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: bri77 on February 02, 2018, 09:37:03 am
Didn't realise all other threads had to be ignored in the build up to a match.



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 02, 2018, 09:39:42 am
We have a critical game on Sat yet some of you prefer to feed ‘78, or pointless posts about the ReDev, or unbelievably MK from 2 weeks ago ::)
Why not join in. Its what forums are for.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: bri77 on February 02, 2018, 09:40:24 am
You need an opinion to join in though.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 02, 2018, 10:32:49 am
Didn't realise all other threads had to be ignored in the build up to a match.



All you do is insult '78


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 02, 2018, 10:37:18 am
Why not join in. Its what forums are for.

What - over react to dubious claims by some on Redev and also '78. The point is that surely Saturday's match deserves more attention than the Redev and MKDons.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Snow Dive Larry on February 02, 2018, 10:38:45 am
Morning all, Happy Friday and all that.

New to the board after lurking for a while and thought it was a good place to start. Is there an initiation to do? Hopefully I can bring vaguely interesting thoughts and if not, I’ll bring biscuits. Any preferences?

Anyhoo…Rochdale’s likely to be a tricky one mentally I reckon – all the excitement around the new signings make it feel like a first game of the season with all the fresh optimism in the air. I’d take a cheeky 1-0 to kick off the revolution.

As for Van the man, I think he might start from the bench too…0-0 with 20 mins to play and Berto and Van coming on to create the winner in the 89th sounds good to me.

Chat to y’all soon!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 02, 2018, 10:38:59 am
Been wondering how our glorious leader will fit everyone in to the team, I've got a sneaky suspicion the team we will see on Saturday is;

O'Donnell
Facey Taylor Turnbull Bunney
Ariybi O'Toole Grimes Crooks
Van Veen Long



Great selection - well done 8)


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 02, 2018, 10:40:58 am
Morning all, Happy Friday and all that.

New to the board after lurking for a while and thought it was a good place to start. Is there an initiation to do? Hopefully I can bring vaguely interesting thoughts and if not, I’ll bring biscuits. Any preferences?

Anyhoo…Rochdale’s likely to be a tricky one mentally I reckon – all the excitement around the new signings make it feel like a first game of the season with all the fresh optimism in the air. I’d take a cheeky 1-0 to kick off the revolution.

As for Van the man, I think he might start from the bench too…0-0 with 20 mins to play and Berto and Van coming on to create the winner in the 89th sounds good to me.

Chat to y’all soon!


Thanks Frank - we know you like biscuits!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 02, 2018, 10:52:34 am
You need an opinion to join in though.

You do know the difference between comments and opinion even debating points of view?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: WasRambo on February 02, 2018, 11:10:26 am
All you do is insult '78

In fairness Evers, C78 dishes out far more than he gets...


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 02, 2018, 11:12:20 am
In fairness Evers, C78 dishes out far more than he gets...

Its generally trading blows - Bri is a first class cad!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: WasRambo on February 02, 2018, 11:17:39 am
Its generally trading blows - Bri is a first class cad!

It's how you respond though Evers. C78 has shown himself to be lacking in class, if not self-belief!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on February 02, 2018, 11:19:18 am
I suspect no one is going to guess the starting X1 for Saturday as JFH has shown his unpredictability in the past.

However I think there are 9 players who pick themselves based on recent performances;- O'Donnell, Facey, Taylor, Turnbull, Bunney, Grimes, Crooks, JJOT, and Long.

Then its any 2 from Van Veen, Ariyibi, Foley, Hoskins, Poole and Periera.

Poole is probably more likely to play away from Home, and Periera appears to have fitness issues, so I'm guess its either Foley or Van Veen on the left and either Hoskins or Ariyibi on the right.



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: EssTeeFree on February 02, 2018, 11:33:15 am
I suspect no one is going to guess the starting X1 for Saturday as JFH has shown his unpredictability in the past.

However I think there are 9 players who pick themselves based on recent performances;- O'Donnell, Facey, Taylor, Turnbull, Bunney, Grimes, Crooks, JJOT, and Long.

Then its any 2 from Van Veen, Ariyibi, Foley, Hoskins, Poole and Periera.

Poole is probably more likely to play away from Home, and Periera appears to have fitness issues, so I'm guess its either Foley or Van Veen on the left and either Hoskins or Ariyibi on the right.

Completely agree on your 9+2 theory - you watch Jimmy leave 3 of that 9 out now  ;D

Do you think he'll play Van Veen out on the left? I can only see him playing him up front or possibly in the JJOT role if we a one of our midfield out. Feels like Long could get shifted wide which would be harsh on him.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: wrigleys on February 02, 2018, 11:34:11 am
You have got the last few games wrong -  must be disappointing for you?

Not really, I’m very rich so I just go and buy a hand job


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Monkey on February 02, 2018, 11:34:58 am
My guess is:
GK: O'Donnell
RB: Facey
LB: Bunney
CB: Taylor
CB: Turnbull
CM: Grimes
CM: Crookes
LW: Ariyibi
RW: Hoskins
SS: O'Toole
CF: Long

Bench: Cornell, Poole, Moloney, Foley, Periera, Powell, van Veen.
Missing Out: Barnett, Buchs, McWilliams, Mathis.

Could be a number of combinations though!

Big call from JFH to bring van Veen straight in. Would mean Long or O'Toole being dropped, or O'Toole dropping in to CM with Crooks or Grimes missing out (or Crookes going out wide again). Dont think he'll want to changes things too much though, we're doing alright at the moment and the 2 front men are scoring regularly. If O'Toole is still carrying a knock, that may be an excuse to rest him.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: wrigleys on February 02, 2018, 11:35:13 am
Thanks Frank - we know you like biscuits!

Yes afternoon Frank!!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Gaston on February 02, 2018, 11:43:46 am
Big decisions about decent selection issues, but I am sure that is what JFH wanted in the first place.

Unless I have missed any suspensions or injuries, there are 3 places I can't decide on.

GK RO'D
DR Facey
DC Taylor
DC Turnbull
DL Bunney
MC Grimes
MC Crooks
ML
MR
FC JJOT
FC


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 02, 2018, 11:43:50 am
I'll be brave and go with:

            O'Donnell

Facey Taylor Turnbull Bunney

               Grimes
Crooks                 Foley
               JJOT

Van Veen          Long

Subs: Cornell, Poole, Berto, Ariyibi, Powell, McWilliams, Hoksins

Poole to make the bench (Covers CB/CM) and Mathis the one left out. No Buchs as Turnbull is cover for LB. Hoskins can cover the striking role with Berto/Ariyibi/Powell all capable of playing wide or in behind. Foley can also play just about anywhere.

I want to see though:

           O'Donnell

Facey Taylor Turnbull Bunney

Berto Crooks JJOT Ariyibi

       Van Veen  Long

Seems mental to leave Grimes out, so maybe play him instead of Ariyibi? JJOT has to play and Crooks is our player, plus has been improving over this four game undefeated streak. With JFH it's anybody's guess what will happen though!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: EssTeeFree on February 02, 2018, 11:54:44 am
One thing is for sure we have a very flexible squad that can be played many ways. We could legitimately play 3 centre backs with wing backs or a flat 4, we could go 1 or 2 up front. We can go with width or play narrow and we have the option to play a flexible attacking 3 behind Van Veen with any 3 from the likes of Hoskins, Powell, Ariybi and Berto.

It is great to have options and if we find it hard to guess our line up you can bet it will cause opposition managers a few headaches.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Poggy on February 02, 2018, 11:58:02 am
                  O'Donnell

Facey - Taylor (c) - Turbull - Bunney

                   Grimes

       Crooks - O'Toole - Foley

             Van Veen - Long



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on February 02, 2018, 12:29:38 pm
That could work. It will need a disciplined performance from Grimes, the full backs to attack down the flanks, and JJOT arriving late into the box to get on the end of the crosses.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: WasRambo on February 02, 2018, 12:31:52 pm
                  O'Donnell

Facey - Taylor (c) - Turbull - Bunney

                   Grimes

       Crooks - O'Toole - Foley

             Van Veen - Long



This +1


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2995 on February 02, 2018, 12:42:49 pm
What’s the betting he goes with a very solid team .
JFH is risk averse and I notice no one has included Powell in their side .
I think we may be a little disappointed with the line up as Powell and Foley start wide .
He can’t afford to lose this game don’t forget


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3114 on February 02, 2018, 12:47:21 pm
                  O'Donnell

Facey - Taylor (c) - Turbull - Bunney

                   Grimes

       Crooks - O'Toole - Foley

             Van Veen - Long


won’t happen but would love to see

                         O’Donnell

 Facey - Taylor (c) - Poole - Turbull - Bunney

                  Crooks    -    Grimes

                           O’Toole

                Van Veen   -   Long



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 02, 2018, 12:54:51 pm
It's how you respond though Evers. C78 has shown himself to be lacking in class, if not self-belief!

Really - as for lacking in class very few can aspire to that lofty pinnacle! Most of us are what is described in polite circles as ‘oinks’ ;)

Anyway we should keep to the thread subject don’t you think?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: EssTeeFree on February 02, 2018, 13:08:23 pm
Really surprised at so many people going for their preferred line-up without any wingers, it's like we've gone back to JEDs time. Appreciate our full backs are more suited to being wing backs now, although I do think Facey will be much better with a winger in front feed/feed off.

I'd love to see Ariybi and Berto start, we could be exciting and we have enough in midfield to cover them imo. Of course, I don't think Jimmy will do it but we can dream!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 02, 2018, 13:09:03 pm
Anyway we should keep to the thread subject don’t you think?
The trouble is Evers, at this particular juncture, the subject can only be peoples preferred selections. This is why it wanders off topic.
And knowing Jimbo, most people have got the selection wrong! The only person that knows for sure, is the one that prints the programmes.



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2677 on February 02, 2018, 13:21:32 pm
I want to see though:

           O'Donnell

Facey Taylor Turnbull Bunney

Berto Crooks JJOT Ariyibi

       Van Veen  Long

Seems mental to leave Grimes out, so maybe play him instead of Ariyibi? JJOT has to play and Crooks is our player, plus has been improving over this four game undefeated streak. With JFH it's anybody's guess what will happen though!
This would certainly be offensive. Or maybe play Poole in the middle, move Turnbull over to left back and Bunny/Ariyibi in front.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3114 on February 02, 2018, 13:39:53 pm
Really surprised at so many people going for their preferred line-up without any wingers, it's like we've gone back to JEDs time. Appreciate our full backs are more suited to being wing backs now, although I do think Facey will be much better with a winger in front feed/feed off.

I'd love to see Ariybi and Berto start, we could be exciting and we have enough in midfield to cover them imo. Of course, I don't think Jimmy will do it but we can dream!
That did occur to me. I’ve been moaning about no width all season and as soon as the squad is complete following the transfer window I leave out the wingers with my preferred selection? Having said that I think the full backs we’ve recruited seem to be at their best in the attacking role so 5 at the back would suit them down to the ground?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Charlatan on February 02, 2018, 13:40:37 pm
                                O'Donnell
                Poole      Taylor            Turnbull
 Facey                                                           Bunney
              Foley           Grimes         Crooks
                                
                                 O'Toole
                                Long.

I think he'll stick with this formation. I believe Jimmy is quite cautious defensively and this formation has brought some good results recently. Plenty of attacking options on the bench, I think tomorrow will be a very tight game however, when things open up hopefully our new front men(when brought on) will show there worth. I honestly think Jimmy has a touch of the Ian Atkins about him and his first priority is not to get beat.
                                  


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: EssTeeFree on February 02, 2018, 13:45:47 pm
That did occur to me. I’ve been moaning about no width all season and as soon as the squad is complete following the transfer window I leave out the wingers with my preferred selection? Having said that I think the full backs we’ve recruited seem to be at their best in the attacking role so 5 at the back would suit them down to the ground?

I still think Facey is more of a full back who can get forward than a wing back, I think he would struggle a bit more without the player in front to work with.

Unleash the width I say!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: EssTeeFree on February 02, 2018, 13:46:45 pm
                               O'Donnell
                Poole      Taylor            Turnbull
 Facey                                                           Bunney
              Foley           Grimes         Crooks
                                
                                 O'Toole
                                Long.

I think he'll stick with this formation. I believe Jimmy is quite cautious defensively and this formation has brought some good results recently. Plenty of attacking options on the bench, I think tomorrow will be a very tight game however, when things open up hopefully our new front men(when brought on) will show there worth. I honestly think Jimmy has a touch of the Ian Atkins about him and his first priority is not to get beat.
                                


Jimmy has literally never played that formation with us!

Agree on the rest of your post though


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2677 on February 02, 2018, 13:54:04 pm
I still think Facey is more of a full back who can get forward than a wing back, I think he would struggle a bit more without the player in front to work with.

Unleash the width I say!
I agree on Facey. I also must be in a minority on here who so far hasn't been overly impressed with him. He's been steady and hasn't done too much wrong, he has the mobility that Moloney lacked, but beyond that I'm still waiting.
Hopefully I'll see the light tomorrow then.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: bri77 on February 02, 2018, 13:59:15 pm
You do know the difference between comments and opinion even debating points of view?

Woah careful it seems like all you do is insult me  :o


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 02, 2018, 14:00:59 pm
Not really, I’m very rich so I just go and buy a hand job

Is that in the singular?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Charlatan on February 02, 2018, 14:01:48 pm
Jimmy has literally never played that formation with us!

Agree on the rest of your post though
Last week at Blackburn was as near as dammit. Facey & Bunney are full backs who can/like to get forward. Jonjo has been just behind Long for a few weeks  now. Everybody see's it differently.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2677 on February 02, 2018, 14:04:47 pm
Is that in the singular?
;D
I like that Evers.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 02, 2018, 14:07:04 pm
Woah careful it seems like all you do is insult me  :o

Please keep to the thread


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: EssTeeFree on February 02, 2018, 14:25:33 pm
Last week at Blackburn was as near as dammit. Facey & Bunney are full backs who can/like to get forward. Jonjo has been just behind Long for a few weeks  now. Everybody see's it differently.

Unless I've finally cracked and completely lost it Turnbull played left back, Bunney played left midfield and Hoskins played wide right?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 02, 2018, 14:55:35 pm
At Blackburn we quite clearly played 4-4-1-1. How anyone saw any different is beyond me.



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2487 on February 02, 2018, 15:02:12 pm
FOUR FOUR f***ING TWO


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 02, 2018, 15:16:23 pm
 I have a very bad feeling about this one. Without the Revmeister we're doomed..


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: threeinabed on February 02, 2018, 15:29:28 pm
I agree on Facey. I also must be in a minority on here who so far hasn't been overly impressed with him.

not just the minority on here, but all the fans i would think - bonkers.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on February 02, 2018, 15:34:30 pm
Thanks Frank - we know you like biscuits!

erm...

Please keep to the thread.

Anyway, I prefer savory to sweet. How about you?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on February 02, 2018, 15:37:21 pm
Yes afternoon Frank!!

Afternoon.

You going tomorrow?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2677 on February 02, 2018, 15:38:05 pm
not just the minority on here, but all the fans i would think - bonkers.

Even so, I await to be overly impressed.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 02, 2018, 19:41:34 pm
The omens are good!
Once again, the Landlord of the Lamb & Flag in Oxford has put on the Cobblers top, much to the ire of Oxford Utd fans, who to be fair, have taken it ok (ish)!  ;D

Cobblers 1 - 0 Dale


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on February 02, 2018, 19:59:56 pm
Jimmy say's it's going to be tough . I tend to agree but hope we can make home advantage on a good playing surface count.

https://www.youtu.be/kNrYQyPGsNY


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: southofthecounty on February 02, 2018, 20:21:43 pm
The omens are good!
Once again, the Landlord of the Lamb & Flag in Oxford has put on the Cobblers top, much to the ire of Oxford Utd fans, who to be fair, have taken it ok (ish)!  ;D

Cobblers 1 - 0 Dale
I spent a couple of hours in there a while ago when I was waiting for the Mrs. to finish running the Oxford Half Marathon. If I had known I might have wangled a free pint.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 02, 2018, 20:41:27 pm
Rochdale haven't won an away league game all season. I hate stats like that.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: bri77 on February 02, 2018, 20:47:12 pm
Please keep to the thread

I’ll keep to ‘the thread’ when you post something interesting.

No chance in that for a while.

So when’s the east stand being finished?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Razor on February 02, 2018, 22:16:56 pm
                  O'Donnell

Facey - Taylor (c) - Turbull - Bunney

                   Grimes

       Crooks - O'Toole - Foley

             Van Veen - Long


I really like the look of this. Fingers crossed.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 02, 2018, 23:17:10 pm
                    Cornell

Moloney McWilliams Barnett Buchanan

    Hanley Bowditch Kasim Powell

               The Revmeister The Reek

       


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: andycobbler on February 03, 2018, 08:22:24 am
Big game this, win and Rochdale are out of reach with their games in hand. Looking forward to 'hopefully' another positive performance from our new team. I predict a comfortable win.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2018, 08:36:53 am
I have a very bad feeling about this one. Without the Revmeister we're doomed..
He's the greatest.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3063 on February 03, 2018, 08:52:00 am
                    Cornell

Moloney McWilliams Barnett Buchanan

    Hanley Bowditch Kasim Powell

               The Revmeister The Reek

       

I like the look of that team  ;D

Surely, Hanley on the left with Powell on the right would be better.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 03, 2018, 09:29:38 am
Horrible weather at the minute, hopefully will be a bit nicer later on but doesn't look like it.

So looking forward to this game, a win here cements the turnaround in fortunes and hopefully we can keep pushing on up the table.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 03, 2018, 09:32:17 am
I like the look of that team  ;D

Surely, Hanley on the left with Powell on the right would be better.

8 of that team still available for selection!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Grove on February 03, 2018, 13:10:51 pm
Nice , looking forward to seeing hilda, van veen on bench


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2995 on February 03, 2018, 13:20:22 pm
No Van Veen but loyal to JJOT .
Looking forward to seeing Hilda start .
Players under real pressure to keep their places now .
Exciting times


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 13:31:00 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVHbfqRX4AERsDw.jpg)


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 13:32:32 pm
My only gripe is why didn't he start VV and the Longmeister to they would start to form a striking partnership..


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Snow Dive Larry on February 03, 2018, 13:34:59 pm
JJOT's form probably plays into KvV starting on the bench but what a weapon to have later in the afternoon. Interesting to see Hilda starting...hopefully that means fitness is improving.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 13:42:20 pm
He's the greatest.
He starts for Stevenage you watch him grab a brace today..


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: TownOwl on February 03, 2018, 13:48:03 pm
3-0. Hattrick (of assists) for Berto.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2018, 14:05:35 pm
He starts for Stevenage you watch him grab a brace today..
Four at least.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:08:15 pm
All Dale right now..we look sluggish


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:10:18 pm
The refs missed 2 clear fouls on JJ


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:12:46 pm
We've picked it up a bit..


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2018, 14:13:39 pm
This is all set up for a last minute Ian Henderson winner.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:14:49 pm
This is all set up for a last minute Ian Henderson winner.
He's the greatest


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:15:27 pm
Oldham beating Bradford..Bradford are really flapping


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2018, 14:20:33 pm
He's the greatest
He wasn't when he played for us. He has been everywhere else he's played though.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:26:50 pm
Turnbull goes close


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2018, 14:27:22 pm
No Was this week then. Part timer!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:27:49 pm
or defender its getting worrying


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2018, 14:32:38 pm
It doesn't look good does it.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:34:21 pm
The Longmeister booked for booting the ball out the ground. ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:36:13 pm
Facey injured


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:37:13 pm
Poole comes on for Facey


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:39:12 pm
Rosie makes a great save


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:41:18 pm
We look disjointed and crap so far..Dale should be 2 up..


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Irchy cob on February 03, 2018, 14:41:57 pm
They’re pushing their right back up on Bunney and it’s stopping him from getting forward.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:42:24 pm
Reek scores for Swindon again


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:48:18 pm
0-0 HT


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 03, 2018, 14:53:21 pm
It’s cold and wet here. And miserable, much like the display so far.

Dale have had two clear chances and one JJ should have scored for us. Facey injured so a switch to 5-3-2 and it hasn’t improved us.

Part timers next to us smell so much of booze, might get pulled on the way home! Long’s stupid card for picking the ball up and booting it out of the ground is almost the highlight, but that goes to a great save from ROD.

Second half is open for Van Veen to make a big entrance.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 14:58:00 pm
It’s cold and wet here. And miserable, much like the display so far.

Dale have had two clear chances and one JJ should have scored for us. Facey injured so a switch to 5-3-2 and it hasn’t improved us.

Part timers next to us smell so much of booze, might get pulled on the way home! Long’s stupid card for picking the ball up and booting it out of the ground is almost the highlight, but that goes to a great save from ROD.

Second half is open for Van Veen to make a big entrance.
Thanks Rauld..Baldy's gone quiet maybe he's hanging out the washing or in a deep depression about the Revmeister


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Shoemaker on February 03, 2018, 14:58:27 pm
Tepid
Start up the van


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: WasRambo on February 03, 2018, 15:03:30 pm
Afternoon. Tuning in from a hotel in darkest Fenville :/


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2934 on February 03, 2018, 15:04:20 pm
Tepid
Start up the van

No O'Tooles are kept in this van overnight.



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Irchy cob on February 03, 2018, 15:05:17 pm
If it doesn’t improve sharpish it’s got to be Van Veen for foley.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2018, 15:07:43 pm
Afternoon. Tuning in from a hotel in darkest Fenville :/
Was! The good doctor's been worried sick.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:08:30 pm
Come on FFS we need 3 pts today


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2018, 15:13:05 pm
Sack 'em all!!!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:13:30 pm
Atd 5475 with 240 Dale Wintons


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:14:00 pm
Pathetic


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:15:07 pm
Periera's playing crap get him aarff


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: WasRambo on February 03, 2018, 15:16:58 pm
False dawns....


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:18:08 pm
VV coming on for Hilda


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2018, 15:18:50 pm
I've worn the same Cobblers shirt for the last 4 games. I changed it today. I take full responsibility.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:21:40 pm
We look awful at the back.. Rosie MOTM so far


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Aitobs on February 03, 2018, 15:25:15 pm
Too many new players. Team has no cohesion- so disjointed.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:26:15 pm
VV must be thinking what the fook..


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Irchy cob on February 03, 2018, 15:26:37 pm
Keith hill has got them set up perfectly - neutralising jjot and Bunney particularly. Their goal was coming - pereira didn’t look interested as a defender.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:32:18 pm
JJOT off for Ariyibi


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:35:27 pm
This is painful we've gone backwards.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: singcobb on February 03, 2018, 15:39:54 pm
I had a feeling this might happen with so many new faces in the side.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:43:14 pm
I hate these easier games


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: WasRambo on February 03, 2018, 15:46:20 pm
Have we even been in this game?

This is supposedly the second easiest game we could have....


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Irchy cob on February 03, 2018, 15:47:32 pm
Christ, when grimes has an off day he really looks poor - having said that crooks hasn’t been much better. To those saying about too many new faces and lack of cohesion - we’ve only had 1 new player since last week (and he wasn’t even in the starting lineup) and we didn’t do bad at Blackburn. The biggest issue was facey’s injury and us going to 3 at the back - to be fair we weren’t great before it but pereira and Bunney weren’t suited to it.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:51:15 pm
Dale hadn't won away in almost a year


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 03, 2018, 15:54:18 pm
0-1 FT

Awful..I blame Baldy


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: WasRambo on February 03, 2018, 15:55:34 pm
Garbage.

Not a game we should be losing


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2018, 15:55:55 pm
0-1 FT

Awful..I blame Baldy
Sorry.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 03, 2018, 15:58:14 pm
Oh dear!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: wrigleys on February 03, 2018, 16:00:41 pm
Isn’t Hilda still too fat to play 90 mins?

I predict a 0.2 win for Dale, we’ll be too overconfident

Hmm


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest143 on February 03, 2018, 16:03:49 pm
Would've liked to see O'Toole moved into defensive midfield when we spend most the game lacking possession.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on February 03, 2018, 16:13:18 pm
Awful. First half poor and second half woeful. Rochdale deserved the win and seemed to want it much more. At times it was as if they had 2 more players than us. It was like watching a different team from the last few weeks. Anyone can have a bad day but the worrying thing was that they didn't seem up for it most of the game.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Shoemaker on February 03, 2018, 16:20:12 pm
I couldn’t knock the lads for effort but they came up against a side who played to a set pattern and who had greater technical ability.
I couldn’t tell from the stand what the formation was supposed to be and failed to see why we went three at the back allowing us to get over run in midfield.
A defeat for jimmy today who is still learning his trade but was out thought and out manouvered by a more experienced manager.
I’m hoping he has the good grace to acknowledge it and learn from it.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2487 on February 03, 2018, 16:21:16 pm
JJOT needs to be in midfield.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3103 on February 03, 2018, 16:25:04 pm
Full credit to Jimmy, if we hadn't of parked the bus from the very start it would of been at least 3 or 4.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: SteveRiches on February 03, 2018, 16:41:43 pm
Can't even begin to analyse it because SO much was wrong. A mess from start to finish, and given that half-a-'plane load connected with the Chinese consortium had flown over for it, a particularly bad time to play like drains.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 03, 2018, 16:51:50 pm
That was just SO SO bad from start to finish. Just as we thought those bad days were behind us. If a new fan had gone to the MK game they'd have been hooked for ever after a pulsating game, today they'd have been put off for life. Such a contrast.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 03, 2018, 16:52:06 pm
 I'm at a loss to explain it so maybe someone can help me; on the back of better players coming in, better performances, decent football and brilliant results, and even allowing for the injury to Facey that disrupted our game plan with no natural replacement available - where on earth did that clueless, hopeless, aimless, backs to the wall, long ball bullsh1t come from?!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: NTFC Nut on February 03, 2018, 16:52:35 pm
Losing Facey handed them the initiative. Up until that point we looked well organised and were keeping possession well and creating chances. After Facey went off and Poole came on, having three at centre back and just Perreira on that right hand side left us ridiculously exposed because the latter has not got the positional sense or discipline to contribute anything defensively. No-one seemed to know their positional responsibilities when we went to three at the back in fairness, but we were particularly lax down the right flank. They were actively targeting our right hand side once they cottoned on to this and it was inevitable that was where their goal would come from. To his credit, JFH did recognise this (but too late to prevent the goal) and made the change that was required, but by this point we were panicking and playing hoofball, not the overlapping style that was creating chances in the first half. If Moloney had been on the bench to slot in where Facey had left off I think we'd have seen a different result. As Shoemaker said, JFH is still learning but unfortunately we do not have the luxury of time so he needs to learn quickly.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2677 on February 03, 2018, 17:02:25 pm
Gash.
Facey going off wasn't so much the problem as the change in formation to 3 at the back. Jim could have used McWilliams and kept with 4. Anyone else think the story about Brendan fessing  up to his knee not holding up if he was asked to do 85 mins was a little lame (forgive the pun)?
There's absolutely no excuses anymore for JFH. His players, he needs to make it work.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Stag on February 03, 2018, 17:11:34 pm
Swap the managers swap the result ! - Simple


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Irchy cob on February 03, 2018, 17:12:36 pm
Gash.
Facey going off wasn't so much the problem as the change in formation to 3 at the back. Jim could have used McWilliams and kept with 4. Anyone else think the story about Brendan fessing  up to his knee not holding up if he was asked to do 85 mins was a little lame (forgive the pun)?
There's absolutely no excuses anymore for JFH. His players, he needs to make it work.
At a push Poole could have slotted in at right back too - once we went to a 3 Rochdale exposed us time and again. We’ve got to hope that facey’s injury isn’t too bad and that it was just a one-off.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2677 on February 03, 2018, 17:13:50 pm
Swap the managers swap the result ! - Simple
You make a very valid point.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Grove on February 03, 2018, 17:21:26 pm
Losing Facey handed them the initiative. Up until that point we looked well organised and were keeping possession well and creating chances. After Facey went off and Poole came on, having three at centre back and just Perreira on that right hand side left us ridiculously exposed because the latter has not got the positional sense or discipline to contribute anything defensively. No-one seemed to know their positional responsibilities when we went to three at the back in fairness, but we were particularly lax down the right flank. They were actively targeting our right hand side once they cottoned on to this and it was inevitable that was where their goal would come from. To his credit, JFH did recognise this (but too late to prevent the goal) and made the change that was required, but by this point we were panicking and playing hoofball, not the overlapping style that was creating chances in the first half. If Moloney had been on the bench to slot in where Facey had left off I think we'd have seen a different result. As Shoemaker said, JFH is still learning but unfortunately we do not have the luxury of time so he needs to learn quickly.

Dunno what game you were watching but we wernt creating chances , at any point during the game, I remember 1 shot on target


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2487 on February 03, 2018, 17:30:20 pm
Agree. Literally nothing positive to take out of today. We were that bad.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3114 on February 03, 2018, 17:41:56 pm
Feel like someone stamped on my nuts. Any comments on Van anyone (all be it not the best day to make your debut)?”


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Buster on February 03, 2018, 17:50:15 pm
Feel like someone stamped on my nuts. Any comments on Van anyone (all be it not the best day to make your debut)?”

Yes just one observation.  No one seems to know how to pronounce his name.  Today I've heard him called van vein, von veen, van de vein and van winkle. 


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Bertie on February 03, 2018, 17:53:36 pm
Abysmal performance. Facey's injury a key moment - but we were crap anyway. Just passing to our own players seemed beyond anyone today.
hate singling out players, but Perreira and Long totally ineffective. Not many can look back at that with any satisfaction. O@Donnell, Foley and Taylor maybe.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2677 on February 03, 2018, 17:58:49 pm
Yes just one observation.  No one seems to know how to pronounce his name.  Today I've heard him called van vein, von veen, van de vein and van winkle. 
I called him those first three inside twenty minutes of the game.
 ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3063 on February 03, 2018, 18:00:51 pm

Not many can look back at that with any satisfaction. O@Donnell, Foley and Taylor maybe.


Didn't think Taylor played that well to be honest. Poor clearances and distribution most of the game. Only O'Donnell & Foley for me.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Cordwainer2 on February 03, 2018, 18:03:50 pm
Shows how much we depend on JJOT. They double marked him and stopped him playing thus we didn't get going at all. Wanted someone else to step up but they were all well below par.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 03, 2018, 18:24:37 pm
Didn't think Taylor played that well to be honest. Poor clearances and distribution most of the game. Only O'Donnell & Foley for me.

The bring-a-friend scheme seemed to extend this week to bring a clueless fùckwit as the people behind me brought someone with them who spent the entire game slagging Foley off. Was he great? No, but he put in a shift and was far from the worst performer out there today. Some of the stick he was getting from this guy was absurd; at one point a ball was played to him but ended up zipping about 10 yards ahead of his path. It was an awful pass. Foley's fault though; "He'll never get that, he's ****!"

He was even getting the blame for things he hadn't done. Late on the ball was hit long to him on the flank but was easily cut out by the defender who was between Foley and the ball. "He wouldn't have got that even if the defender wasn't there. He's ****!", apparently.

You get the drift. Completely did my head in, I was longing for Foley to score, less to give us a point and more to shut the relentlessly whinging fùcknugget up!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on February 03, 2018, 18:34:00 pm
After the Bradford City game at Wembley that was the second biggest anticlimax and let down! So looking forward to it but what a pile of pooh from everyone apart from ROD.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: paul thompson is on February 03, 2018, 18:34:08 pm
The bring-a-friend scheme seemed to extend this week to bring a clueless fùckwit as the people behind me brought someone with them who spent the entire game slagging Foley off. Was he great? No, but he put in a shift and was far from the worst performer out there today. Some of the stick he was getting from this guy was absurd; at one point a ball was played to him but ended up zipping about 10 yards ahead of his path. It was an awful pass. Foley's fault though; "He'll never get that, he's ****!"

He was even getting the blame for things he hadn't done. Late on the ball was hit long to him on the flank but was easily cut out by the defender who was between Foley and the ball. "He wouldn't have got that even if the defender wasn't there. He's ****!", apparently.

You get the drift. Completely did my head in, I was longing for Foley to score, less to give us a point and more to shut the relentlessly whinging fùcknugget up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZgIk2b68gQ


sums it up


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2995 on February 03, 2018, 18:57:08 pm
No one came out of that game with any credit except O’Donnell who did nothing wrong .
We were truly awful and second best all over the pitch .
The centre halves blundered , especially Turnbull who had a terrible game .
Bunney has a good first half but did zilch second half . Facey wasn’t having a good game before he left the pitch .
Crooks and Grimes need to man up in the centre at times - it cried out for McWilliams today to put it about .
Hilda needs to lose 2 stone and then show what he’s got .
Foley does nothing but huff and puff - he delays on the ball as well.
Long lost every single battle .
JJOT put himself about but was scruffy today .
JFH didn’t do enough tactically to shake it up .
And the crowd were awful - poor atmosphere.
A few need dropping after that and I’d name Crooks and Foley .


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Grove on February 03, 2018, 19:02:18 pm
No one came out of that game with any credit except O’Donnell who did nothing wrong .
We were truly awful and second best all over the pitch .
The centre halves blundered , especially Turnbull who had a terrible game .
Bunney has a good first half but did zilch second half . Facey wasn’t having a good game before he left the pitch .
Crooks and Grimes need to man up in the centre at times - it cried out for McWilliams today to put it about .
Hilda needs to lose 2 stone and then show what he’s got .
Foley does nothing but huff and puff - he delays on the ball as well.
Long lost every single battle .
JJOT put himself about but was scruffy today .
JFH didn’t do enough tactically to shake it up .
And the crowd were awful - poor atmosphere.
A few need dropping after that and I’d name Crooks and Foley .

For me, Foley was our best outfield player, 100% effort. the only one that did


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on February 03, 2018, 19:10:48 pm
But sometimes effort alone is not enough. They played a high pressing game with some times as many as three players buzzing around the man on the ball. It needs a piece of outrageous skill to suddenly take three men out of the game and open the game up. But who in the current team is skillful enough.
Maybe JJOT playing in midfield but not many of the others. This was a game for our better players to step up but to a man they disappointed. Grimes, Poole and Long might be contracted to premier league clubs but there was no sign of it this afternoon, and Crooks was a major let down.

I'd look to bring back the underrated Hoskins and McWilliams to bring more energy to the team and Ariyidi to provide pace up front. Pereira was a liability today and looked well off the pace, should have been substituted after around 20 minutes when he first pulled up.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3063 on February 03, 2018, 19:13:18 pm
Has anyone seen the pictures of JJOT sitting on the bench after being substituted?

I would get a link if I could. Basically he's sitting there with big packs of ice in both of his socks and a cut on his knee for good measure. Maybe accounts to why he wasn't as effective today.

The picture is on the match report on the NTFC website.





Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: sixfields starling on February 03, 2018, 19:15:34 pm
It was poor today and fair play to Rochdale, they totally deserved the 3 points. Only O'Donnell and Foley came out of it with any credit today, for me, all the others well below par. Hopefully this is just a blip and we are not going back to pre christmas .Does anyone else think the new players need game time to get to know their strengths, today Ariyibi wanted and did play the ball short for Long , who complained he wanted it long to chase. To me it seems like having been at other clubs earlier in the season they still play that way and are not on the same wave length, or was it just a bad day all round?      


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Stag on February 03, 2018, 19:16:07 pm
For me, Foley was our best outfield player, 100% effort. the only one that did


Foley needs to play where Grimes currents walks around.  Grimes has had enough chances and needs to be told to do one.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Stag on February 03, 2018, 19:16:36 pm
For me, Foley was our best outfield player, 100% effort. the only one that did


Foley needs to play where Grimes currents walks around.  Grimes has had enough chances and needs to be told to do one.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Cobblersmad on February 03, 2018, 19:33:52 pm
Due to illness today was the first home game I have missed this season. Thank god it was this one. Listened on the radio and even Tim saying how poor it was tells you how bad it was. Frainy sounded bored out of his mind. Pereira was being singled out by Tim and Frainy for being out of position and not getting to grips with the formation. Was that justified? It sounded like we couldnt cope with their wingbacks and were just restricted to Grimes' free kicks. Camps sounded like he had a good game for them.  I'm not totally surprised by the result, Dale do like to keep the ball, came close to beating Millwall last week and maybe only are in their position due to having games in hand. Having said that it was their first away win this season.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2995 on February 03, 2018, 19:42:06 pm
For me, Foley was our best outfield player, 100% effort. the only one that did
Effort is fine but that is a bare minimum .
For me Foley just doesn’t do anything memorable or influential .
Having said that , no one else did today either .


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on February 03, 2018, 20:15:18 pm
Losing Facey handed them the initiative. Up until that point we looked well organised and were keeping possession well and creating chances. After Facey went off and Poole came on, having three at centre back and just Perreira on that right hand side left us ridiculously exposed because the latter has not got the positional sense or discipline to contribute anything defensively. No-one seemed to know their positional responsibilities when we went to three at the back in fairness, but we were particularly lax down the right flank. They were actively targeting our right hand side once they cottoned on to this and it was inevitable that was where their goal would come from. To his credit, JFH did recognise this (but too late to prevent the goal) and made the change that was required, but by this point we were panicking and playing hoofball, not the overlapping style that was creating chances in the first half. If Moloney had been on the bench to slot in where Facey had left off I think we'd have seen a different result. As Shoemaker said, JFH is still learning but unfortunately we do not have the luxury of time so he needs to learn quickly.

Would agree with that except for the second sentence.  We were awful from first whistle to the last.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2995 on February 03, 2018, 20:24:19 pm
When Facey went off , why did he go to a back 3 ?
Poole or McWilliams could have played at right back .
We weren’t great when Facey was playing but even worst when we changed to the three .
Neither Bunney nor Foley got forward as wing backs at all .
We lacked width throughout the whole game which is ironic after the amount of wide players we have just brought in .
Not JFH finest moment today .


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 03, 2018, 20:41:48 pm
After game/result like today you can bet yr boots this forum will attract a welter of Jonah's; except the character **ending in 'IS' had we won he wouldn't been seen for dust!
The first thing today nothing went our way. From corners to throw ins to comical clearances aided by rebounds and the goalie having to race back and clear off the line. It was not to be our day or anywhere near it. As for the players O'Donnell did well, but Taylor and Turnbull had off days as did Facey. Also JJOT had for him an ineffective day careless in possession allied with wayward passing , as for Grimes he disappeared most of the time. Felt a bit disappointed with Berto but he had no decent service and looked disgruntled whilst he was on the pitch. Long had a few decent runs first half but faded second half. Everybody else just had an off day; poor old van Leen hardly touched the ball or in fact received a pass worthy of the name. As the game went on we became leaderless; hoofball took over.
All JFH can do is get the game out of the players mind, chivvy them up. There is a big game next week and they will need to be up and ready for it. This fight for survival is now on and how they react to todays defeat is vital. The players now must believe that they have to fight and earn the right to stay in L1.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 03, 2018, 20:42:47 pm
Bad day at the office. Never mind.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 03, 2018, 20:49:15 pm
Abysmal performance. Facey's injury a key moment - but we were crap anyway. Just passing to our own players seemed beyond anyone today.
hate singling out players, but Perreira and Long totally ineffective. Not many can look back at that with any satisfaction. O@Donnell, Foley and Taylor maybe.
Felt sorry for Long, tried as a  lone striker. Perreira...utter garbage!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2995 on February 03, 2018, 20:56:04 pm
After game/result like today you can bet yr boots this forum will attract a welter of Jonah's; except the character **ending in 'IS' had we won he wouldn't been seen for dust!
The first thing today nothing went our way. From corners to throw ins to comical clearances aided by rebounds and the goalie having to race back and clear off the line. It was not to be our day or anywhere near it. As for the players O'Donnell did well, but Taylor and Turnbull had off days as did Facey. Also JJOT had for him an ineffective day careless in possession allied with wayward passing , as for Grimes he disappeared most of the time. Felt a bit disappointed with Berto but he had no decent service and looked disgruntled whilst he was on the pitch. Long had a few decent runs first half but faded second half. Everybody else just had an off day; poor old van Leen hardly touched the ball or in fact received a pass worthy of the name. As the game went on we became leaderless; hoofball took over.
All JFH can do is get the game out of the players mind, chivvy them up. There is a big game next week and we will need to be up and ready for it. This fight for survival is now on and how we react to todays defeat is vital. The players now must believe that they have to fight and earn the right to stay in L1.
Exactly right .
Everyone talking as though we are the Galacticos before the game but we are in a relegation fight .
You need men that stand up and show character .
There are a few shrinking violets out there that are not aggressive enough


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 03, 2018, 21:06:00 pm
The game today was won/lost on 2 points.

Firstly jimmys tactical ineptness at not replacing facey with an adequate full back. This cost us the goal in the end, anyone with any ounce of gumption would have slotted Mcwilliams or Poole in rather than expose helder time and time again.

Then the polar opposite hill's nouse and gumption that totally snuffed out jj ot as any sort of threat at all.

Jimmy has been exposed a number of times now, I hope he is learning and there are 4 worse teams than us in this league.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 03, 2018, 21:41:38 pm
.....................Perreira...utter garbage!

Not sure if that is quite correct and seems abit OTT. I have difficulty recalling if Berto actually received a decent pass all the time he was on the pitch. He ended up looking lost and very disinterested so he was subbed. There is definitely a player there and with patience and encouragement he will score some outrageous goals/winners.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2677 on February 03, 2018, 22:29:32 pm

Foley needs to play where Grimes currents walks around.  Grimes has had enough chances and needs to be told to do one.
I wouldn't disagree with you on that one either. No where near as good as he thinks he is.
And if not McWilliams or Poole, what about putting a recognised fullback on when Facey went off, Buchannon.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 03, 2018, 22:32:20 pm
Jimmy has been exposed a number of times now.

This just about sums you up ; you clearly have a vendetta against JFH. We are not in position to sack JFH and quite frankly we as a club have to sink or swim with him. It is all very well making opportunistic anti JFH comments on the forum but what is your justification for continuing in such a the manner for so long. Fair criticism is perhaps your right but you overdo it - vendetta seems to be your mission.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 03, 2018, 22:46:11 pm
This just about sums you up ; you clearly have a vendetta against JFH. We are not in position to sack JFH and quite frankly we as a club have to sink or swim with him. It is all very well making opportunistic anti JFH comments on the forum but what is your justification for continuing in such a the manner for so long. Fair criticism is perhaps your right but you overdo it - vendetta seems to be your mission.

As I've said before nevers I don't have a vendetta against anyone. I call it how I see it and jimmy got it horribly wrong today, he was exposed for being tactically naive and it's not the first time it's happened.

Equally I will praise him when he gets it right, which I did last weekend.

I think your more the one with an issue!!!

I do agree there is no point in getting rid now and nor should we. Jimmys target when he took over wad to keep us in this league and that's still the case.

If he manages to do it, he should be applauded as it will be a job well done.

If not he will be sacked, again this would be justified given the funds his had to spend and this basis this is now his team.

I just hope that there are 4 worse teams than us in this league come May. Time will tell on all of the above.



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 03, 2018, 22:48:54 pm
This just about sums you up ; you clearly have a vendetta against JFH. We are not in position to sack JFH and quite frankly we as a club have to sink or swim with him. It is all very well making opportunistic anti JFH comments on the forum but what is your justification for continuing in such a the manner for so long. Fair criticism is perhaps your right but you overdo it - vendetta seems to be your mission.

You also said I had a vendetta against hoskins last week!

Make your mind up!!!!

I just have a different opinion to you on thing and you are so narrow minded you don't like that people has opinions different to you!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 03, 2018, 23:25:54 pm
You also said I had a vendetta against hoskins last week!

Make your mind up!!!!

I just have a different opinion to you on thing and you are so narrow minded you don't like that people has opinions different to you!

I agree with some of the points you make in yr earlier message but the constant criticism of JFH and Hoskins is repetitive and opportunistic. The way you come across on the latter amounts to a "vendetta' - give the two in question a break, better still your support.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2539 on February 04, 2018, 06:10:52 am
My main concern is our midfield, which is so inconsistant and does not provide cover infront of the two centre halves. I would play Poole,Foley or McWilliams as the holding midfielder. From this base we can give more support to Long. When was the last time an opposing goalkeeper got MOM?

Next Saturday against 'THE Dons'  a more structured team would be;

                    O'Donnell

Moloney, Taylor, Turnbull, Bunney

                        Poole

Ariyibi, Crooks, O'Toole Grimes

                        Long

We have the quality of players now JFH has to get a consistant team out of them!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 04, 2018, 06:24:21 am
My main concern is our midfield, which is so inconsistant and does not provide cover infront of the two centre halves. I would play Poole,Foley or McWilliams as the holding midfielder. From this base we can give more support to Long. When was the last time an opposing goalkeeper got MOM?

Next Saturday against 'THE Dons'  a more structured team would be;

                    O'Donnell

Moloney, Taylor, Turnbull, Bunney

                        Poole

Ariyibi, Crooks, O'Toole Grimes

                        Long

We have the quality of players now JFH has to get a consistant team out of them!

I quite like that but there's no way I'd sit Grimes in front of Bunney or the Dons will tear us apart down their right wing. Swap him for Foley to offer more protection and we'd be good to go. Grimes seems to be undroppable though...

On the subject of JFH, we really can be a fickle bunch. On the back of 3 wins and a draw he was being hailed for bringing in great players and turning us around. We then turn in one useless performance and suddenly he's rubbish again. If after the game he'd defended the side and the performance then I'd be unhappy too, only he didn't; he said we were poor all over and that with hindsight he should have left the team alone. His tendency to tinker is the main niggle I have with him really, although it can't only be me that saw Perreira on the teamsheet today and felt a frisson of excitement because we were really going for it from the off....



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Bertie on February 04, 2018, 06:27:54 am
Let's hope that was a blip. It seems the only thing you can rely on the cobblers to do, is to deflate any expectations you have. Years of bitter experience should have taught me that!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 04, 2018, 06:38:06 am
Agreed. It might even be of some benefit in the long run. I thought we were pretty much doomed to relegation at one point but I'll admit that after the last 4 matches I thought "oh, we'll be alright now" and relaxed a bit. The fact that yesterday's debacle shows we still have performances like THAT in us demonstrates that there's no room for complacency, and hopefully the players will see that too!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: CobblerTilIDie on February 04, 2018, 06:53:07 am
For me the blame lies solely with JFH for yesterday's shambles.

Those players have been brilliant in recent weeks. Well drilled, structured and effective.

When Facey went off the obvious substitution was to bring on McWilliams at right back - let's not forget that prior to Facey's arrival, McWilliams was our best performing right back when he played there this season. The fact that Jimmy used Brendan's absence as the excuse for going to 3 at the back is BS.

Rochdale played well.. but much like Blackburn last week, they didn't really create many clear cut chances when we were setup in our familiar 4-4-1-1.

The change in formation opened us up down the flanks.. Perreira was exposed. Then we go and bring a winger on and play him down the middle!

What a crazy time to experiment with a formation that needs a hell of a lot of working on to perfect. 3 at the back is the reason Jimmy came to this club.. because his predecessor tried and failed miserably.

I just hope this is a lesson learnt for JFH because he was exposed badly yesterday.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Buster on February 04, 2018, 07:14:42 am
.....although it can't only be me that saw Perreira on the teamsheet today and felt a frisson of excitement because we were really going for it from the off....



No it wasn’t just you, when I heard Hilda was starting I was rubbing my hands too, so any criticism now is purely with the benefit of hindsight.  What we have established however is that he is never going to be a wing back.  Defending just isn’t part of his make-up and he looked completely lost and bewildered in that position.  I think for now he’s a luxury we can’t afford and should be utilised off the bench.  Stick with Hoskins...


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 04, 2018, 07:26:51 am
Awful, awful performance yesterday.

5-3-2 definitely didn't work, you could see Berto couldn't defend after he got put on his arse in the first five minutes of the game and playing him at RWB confirmed this. Really don't understand why we changed it up, JFH stating it was because of no Moloney but everything else knowing that McWilliams or even Poole could play there.

The Grimes/Crooks combo fell apart today, even with Foley trying to cover them. When Grimes has a bad game, it really is a bad game. Crooks was lucky not to see red for his tackle, ref had the perfect view of it and was obvious he was taking out some frustration on the opposition.

Great tactics from Rochdale to suss us out and keep us from creating anything, although we nearly nicked a point at the end. I thought Foley came out of the game with some credit, ran his socks off and played three different positions as per usual. Also felt Poole did okay when he came on, won a few in the air against Andrew which was more than Taylor and Turnbull could manage. ROD was by the far the best player on the pitch with his saves, but even his kicking was off today.

Our passing was the most disappointing thing for me, we couldn't string two of them together it seemed in the second half. We were content to hoof the ball long and wait for it to come back again. Shades of JE again.

Stick to 4-4-2 and we won't see another performance like that (hopefully). Honestly think that JFH cost us the game with his strange formation change yesterday.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Patmore on February 04, 2018, 07:28:23 am
For me the blame lies solely with JFH for yesterday's shambles.

Those players have been brilliant in recent weeks. Well drilled, structured and effective.

When Facey went off the obvious substitution was to bring on McWilliams at right back - let's not forget that prior to Facey's arrival, McWilliams was our best performing right back when he played there this season. The fact that Jimmy used Brendan's absence as the excuse for going to 3 at the back is BS.

Rochdale played well.. but much like Blackburn last week, they didn't really create many clear cut chances when we were setup in our familiar 4-4-1-1.

The change in formation opened us up down the flanks.. Perreira was exposed. Then we go and bring a winger on and play him down the middle!

What a crazy time to experiment with a formation that needs a hell of a lot of working on to perfect. 3 at the back is the reason Jimmy came to this club.. because his predecessor tried and failed miserably.

I just hope this is a lesson learnt for JFH because he was exposed badly yesterday.

What an absolutely perfect summary of events.

I would only add that Grimes and Crooks together in midfield is too “powder puff”. I think you can have one or the other but need the likes of JJOT (ideally for me), Foley or McWilliams alongside them to add a bit of bite. Given the choice Grimes would be the one I’d drop, but he always gets the full 90 regardless.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: andycobbler on February 04, 2018, 07:50:20 am
After game/result like today you can bet yr boots this forum will attract a welter of Jonah's; except the character **ending in 'IS' had we won he wouldn't been seen for dust!
The first thing today nothing went our way. From corners to throw ins to comical clearances aided by rebounds and the goalie having to race back and clear off the line. It was not to be our day or anywhere near it. As for the players O'Donnell did well, but Taylor and Turnbull had off days as did Facey. Also JJOT had for him an ineffective day careless in possession allied with wayward passing , as for Grimes he disappeared most of the time. Felt a bit disappointed with Berto but he had no decent service and looked disgruntled whilst he was on the pitch. Long had a few decent runs first half but faded second half. Everybody else just had an off day; poor old van Leen hardly touched the ball or in fact received a pass worthy of the name. As the game went on we became leaderless; hoofball took over.
All JFH can do is get the game out of the players mind, chivvy them up. There is a big game next week and they will need to be up and ready for it. This fight for survival is now on and how they react to todays defeat is vital. The players now must believe that they have to fight and earn the right to stay in L1.

Good post, just to add to it though I thought dale were good value for the win and if they play that way for the rest of the season we'll need to be at least 1 place higher up the league than now because I can see them escaping the drop.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: tcobb on February 04, 2018, 08:03:51 am
All that matters in a relegation fight is the result. To lose at home to the team 2nd from bottom is an awful outcome whichever way it is looked at.
The players and manager took the praise that was due against Blackburn, now they have to admit they were poor against a poor team. Terrible result, not good enough if the team really want to avoid relegation.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2018, 08:12:15 am
For me the blame lies solely with  JFH....

We were not too great prior to Facey’s injury, but I (don’t) agree on hindsight the decision to play Poole at three at the back and change the system for it! That clearly did not work. Apart from the  goalie most players had an off day! The passing was poor from the off. To blame JFH for the loss is easy, for me the players are mostly accountable for the defeat. The Crooks/Grimes combo was found wanting perhaps we can only use one of them in midfield. Bring back JJOT to a more orthodox midfield position and stick vL in his place. Would prefer Crooks to Grimes.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on February 04, 2018, 08:15:45 am
Not a good day at the office for the team or its manager.  The injury to Facey was not handled well by JFH who wrongly switched us to a 3 -5-1-1 formation and put Perreira on covering duties which he is clearly not able to perform.  JGH must have known that.  Perreira is a luxury player and I doubt that we can afford to play him much in our precarious position.   Credit to Rochdale for out thinking and out playing us. JJOT was marked out of the match and with him being ineffective the rest of the side could not string a pass together.  

Wimbledon  was always important but now that much more so.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest49 on February 04, 2018, 08:26:52 am
My concern is that with so many players at his disposal, if we have a couple of poor results he could spend the rest of the season trying to fix it. This was always a fear when he clearly likes a tinker.
I did have a wry smile of those claiming to bet on the play offs/promotion without actually seeing how we’d shape up. For me we still actually lack players for the scrap ahead but hopefully yesterday was a blip.
Big game next week and I actually think we could do with some ‘harder’ games to bring the best out of us.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on February 04, 2018, 09:11:15 am
All that matters in a relegation fight is the result. To lose at home to the team 2nd from bottom is an awful outcome whichever way it is looked at.
The players and manager took the praise that was due against Blackburn, now they have to admit they were poor against a poor team. Terrible result, not good enough if the team really want to avoid relegation.
I disagree that Rochdale were a poor team. I thought that they played well, took the game to us, tactically out thought us and deserved the 3 points. With their 4 games in hand I would say they are in a false position.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 04, 2018, 09:17:00 am
I thought yesterday was one of the poorest performances by an NTFC manager in a very long time.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Grove on February 04, 2018, 09:27:40 am
For a bloke Crooks's size hes a bit powder puff unless hes riled, that sprint to take out the Rochdale player was the hardest he worked all day, and quite honestly should have been sent off for such a wreckless challenge. Id drop him, and stick the far more energetic and and mobile Foley in there who at least looks up for the battle


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2487 on February 04, 2018, 10:13:16 am
Agree on Crooks, he ambles around. Doesn't ever seem to be giving his all.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: wingman on February 04, 2018, 10:48:57 am
Crooks is a bit of an enigma, wins the ball well and runs well with it, somehow he seems to end up in a cul-de-sac and gets bewildered with what he is going to do with it, too many passes go astray and gets caught in possession too often.
There is a good player in there, it might just be a confidence thing.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: sxcobbler on February 04, 2018, 10:50:38 am
It's strange how Rochdale seem to be our bogey side, irregardless where they might be in the league, history seems to matter, Why?
Add to that the magic words " haven't won away all season " and pile your money on it ! Cobblers doing What we do regularly.
It was never going to be an easy game, contrary to local belief ....now on all games will be tough against teams around us, fighting for their lives.
JFH was clearly out- thought by their Manager.
We started badly and never got going....Facey was having a poor game anyway, but his sub was disruptive.
The re-shuffle and subsequent formation was clearly wrong tactics.
To have , a luxury player like Hilde covering at Right back was crazy......evidence his effort/ lack of positioning/ that lead to the goal.
JJOT was clearly earmarked as our Lynch-pin and was successfully marked out the game.
Long's petulance is becoming annoying.....I fully  expected to see him picking up a second yellow.
Rochdale commitment and energy levels meant that they bossed the game from start to finish.
Their number 9 won every header and for once Taylor couldn't handle it.
Credit to O'Donnell who , only with the unsung Foley , came out of it with some distinction & had a good game.
Again we never seem to get the decisions from a referee....although you can't blame him for the defeat.

It will be interesting to see how we bounce back from this ....with another 6 pointer next up.
I would have preferred a so called tougher game ...which seem to bring the best out of us
Come on Jimmy sort it out and but don't be the Tinker man in the future.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on February 04, 2018, 10:56:54 am
What an absolutely perfect summary of events.

I would only add that Grimes and Crooks together in midfield is too “powder puff”. I think you can have one or the other but need the likes of JJOT (ideally for me), Foley or McWilliams alongside them to add a bit of bite. Given the choice Grimes would be the one I’d drop, but he always gets the full 90 regardless.

Absolutely agree with this. Although they can both be very good players on their day, they only work well together when JJOT is playing AND on song because he does the dirty work for them and takes two players out of the game to give them time and space.

I'd only drop one of them or take one off if JJOT isn't playing or not firing. It would probably be Crooks, as Grimes' set pieces have been much better in recent weeks, and that's an important part of the game. Even yesterday, when we created virtually nothing, we came close to scoring twice from set pieces.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2018, 11:30:46 am
All that matters in a relegation fight is the result. To lose at home to the team 2nd from bottom is an awful outcome whichever way it is looked at.
The players and manager took the praise that was due against Blackburn, now they have to admit they were poor against a poor team. Terrible result, not good enough if the team really want to avoid relegation.

They where good enough to win and defensively they played very well and their midfield more or less controlled the game. They looked better than the 3 teams we have beaten recently. So imo you are not (quite) correct with your appraisal. Not often I give grudging plaudits to the oppo.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 04, 2018, 13:11:46 pm
Not sure if that is quite correct and seems abit OTT. I have difficulty recalling if Berto actually received a decent pass all the time he was on the pitch. He ended up looking lost and very disinterested so he was subbed. There is definitely a player there and with patience and encouragement he will score some outrageous goals/winners.
Might be a little ott, I admit. However, when getting the ball those few times, didn't seem to know what to do with it. Rest of the time appeared to be dancing infront of a Dale player in some attempt to retrieve the ball...only to get skinned!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 04, 2018, 13:23:26 pm
They where good enough to win and defensively they played very well and their midfield more or less controlled the game. They looked better than the 3 teams we have beaten recently. So imo you are not correct with your appraisal. Not often I give grudging plaudits to the oppo.
Yes, Dale were a good team who played well! No, they hadn't won away but were a minute away from knocking out Millwall last Saturday. They have three or four games in hand over everyone else...it was us that were poor!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2018, 13:31:27 pm

....it was us that were poor!

Think most of us realized that !





Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Manwork04 on February 04, 2018, 13:40:34 pm
Wow what a dismal, boring and ultimately depressing way to spend a Saturday afternoon.
Agree with most posts on here JFH got it badly wrong, but what is more worrying is the players just didn't seem up for the battle, this was epitomised by Crooks, he lumbers around the pitch, generally looks like he doesn't want to be there and just doesn't battle enough to play centre mid with Grimes.
For me Grimes is the better player and I would play JJOT next to him with Foley and the lad from Forest.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 04, 2018, 17:04:34 pm
Wow what a dismal, boring and ultimately depressing way to spend a Saturday afternoon.
Agree with most posts on here JFH got it badly wrong, but what is more worrying is the players just didn't seem up for the battle, this was epitomised by Crooks, he lumbers around the pitch, generally looks like he doesn't want to be there and just doesn't battle enough to play centre mid with Grimes.
For me Grimes is the better player and I would play JJOT next to him with Foley and the lad from Forest.
As mentioned already, extremely lucky not to have been sent off...again! Shocking challenge. Losing respect for the oaf to be honest. Poor, poor attitude!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Vince Planner on February 04, 2018, 18:24:57 pm
Think most of us realized that !




Please can the mods ban users who use American spelling; #idiot.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2018, 19:38:53 pm
Please can the mods ban users who use American spelling; #idiot.

Realise or Realize—Which Should I Use?

Oxford University Press, prefer to use the -ize ending for words that derive from the Greek suffix -izo. Doing so reflects the origins of verbs and nouns, such as realization, organization, and privatization. An -ise ending could erroneously suggest that the verbs derive from the French verbs réaliser, organiser, or privatiser. That’s not to say that Oxford style always condemns -ise endings. To illustrate, the -ise of televise doesn’t have a Greek origin, so that -ise ending is A-okay.

#ίδιωτής


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 04, 2018, 19:44:27 pm
I disagree that Rochdale were a poor team. I thought that they played well, took the game to us, tactically out thought us and deserved the 3 points. With their 4 games in hand I would say they are in a false position.

Rubbish, they are where they are for a reason. Was that not there first away win in 12 months???


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2018, 21:08:08 pm
Rubbish, they are where they are for a reason. Was that not there first away win in 12 months???

They are where they are due to the games they have actually played. They are clearly in a false position due to the fact they have played fewer games. That’s a fact!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Vince Planner on February 04, 2018, 21:19:14 pm
Realise or Realize—Which Should I Use?

Oxford University Press, prefer to use the -ize ending for words that derive from the Greek suffix -izo. Doing so reflects the origins of verbs and nouns, such as realization, organization, and privatization. An -ise ending could erroneously suggest that the verbs derive from the French verbs réaliser, organiser, or privatiser. That’s not to say that Oxford style always condemns -ise endings. To illustrate, the -ise of televise doesn’t have a Greek origin, so that -ise ending is A-okay.

#ίδιωτής

Neither is wrong but “ize” is preferred in North America whereas “ise” is preferred outside North America. You shouldn’t need to trawl the internet to find justification for your obvious error, any British person with half an education would immediately spot an American spelling of a word. The internet has contributed to a lot of younger Brits picking up on American spelling but you are far from being young.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Vince Planner on February 04, 2018, 21:24:55 pm
They are where they are due to the games they have actually played. They are clearly in a false position due to the fact they have played fewer games. That’s a fact!
Once again you are wrong, they have averaged less than a point a game. If they had played the same amount of games as the teams above them and still averaged less than a point a game then they would still be 23rd. FACT.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 04, 2018, 22:55:26 pm
They are where they are due to the games they have actually played. They are clearly in a false position due to the fact they have played fewer games. That’s a fact!

And the fact they haven't won an away game in 12 months before coming to sixfields 😉


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2018, 23:58:36 pm
Neither is wrong but “ize” is preferred in North America whereas “ise” is preferred outside North America. You shouldn’t need to trawl the internet to find justification for your obvious error, any British person with half an education would immediately spot an American spelling of a word. The internet has contributed to a lot of younger Brits picking up on American spelling but you are far from being young.

I know you have an issue with ize/ise ; you have reprimanded some on here before. If you don’t mind I prefer to remember my old Greek tutor comments. It’s not really an error to use both. Also you don’t need to patronise me either!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: JollyCobbler on February 05, 2018, 00:33:50 am
Please can the mods ban users who use American spelling; #idiot.

It's not too often that Evers and I sit on the same side of the fence, but it isn't he who is the '#idiot' in this case. There are a sizable number of ise/ize words which are interchangeable, and thus there is no incorrect spelling. As for the validity of your claim that 'realize' is only for idiots and Americans; it was the eighteenth century before anyone even thought of using 'ise' in preference to 'ize'. So, if you really want to be picky over the correct spelling, then history and common sense would suggest a preference for 'realize'. #anallyretentive


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Buster on February 05, 2018, 05:59:11 am
Isn’t the internet a wonderful thing...


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2995 on February 05, 2018, 06:55:54 am
The more I think about it , the more I think Saturday was ineptitude from JFH .
Why on earth use that game to experiment with three at the back hen clearly no one knew what they were doing . Poole and McWilliams were ideal replacements for Facey .
Why play Foley at right wing back when he simply isn’t one and it showed .
Berto was the natural replacement for Facey but looked like he didn’t have a clue - why ?
Berto is massively unfit - why is he starting ?
I also can’t understand why he didn’t bring McWilliams on to shore things up in the middle .
All a bit of a mess .
Out thought , out fought , out played .


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: bri77 on February 05, 2018, 07:18:34 am
I'm hoping this game is the proverbial kick up the backside we need to stay up. After some good results and performances and the hype and buzz around the signings maybe we were a bit too relaxed.

That said, JFH oh dear oh dear. Just when it looks like things are on the up he throws a curveball in the formation. Please please learn from it this time.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: SteveRiches on February 05, 2018, 07:41:51 am
I know you have an issue with ize/use ; you have reprimanded some on here before. If you don’t mind I prefer to remember my old Greek tutor comments. It’s not really an error to use both. Also you don’t need to patronise me either!

Patronise or patronize?
American spellings are for America, English for UK.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 05, 2018, 08:28:10 am
Once again you are wrong, they have averaged less than a point a game. If they had played the same amount of games as the teams above them and still averaged less than a point a game then they would still be 23rd. FACT.

They are a good side and proved it on Saturday. Your ‘facts’ are misleading. Get over it we were beaten by the better side on the day.

Ps it’s not a fact(yet) yr fact is based on a supposition 😃


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 05, 2018, 08:29:07 am
And the fact they haven't won an away game in 12 months before coming to sixfields 😉

Still better than us on the day


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Snow Dive Larry on February 05, 2018, 08:53:58 am
"Rochdale without an away league win all season" - we can't say we weren't warned!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 05, 2018, 10:00:57 am
"Rochdale without an away league win all season" - we can't say we weren't warned!

Of course that would happen, problem for me is that they were better than us on the day! Can’t argue that away!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: lordjord on February 05, 2018, 10:22:01 am
I didnt understand a lot of things from Saturday but a few here that I havnt noticed that have been mentioned.

When we changed shape Bunney's starting position was far too high. He appears to be much better running onto the ball than starting higher up.

Why did we bring on Ariyibi to play centrally?! He was always covered by several Rochdale players, the most dangerous moment of the second half was when he went wide and he beat his man and whipped in a dangerous ball. The lack of width at times was so frustrating, instead of crooks and grimes being able to spread the ball out they kept trying to drive through the middle and giving it away.

Also regarding Crooks and Grimes they both took far too many touches before trying to pass it. JJOT is much better at keeping us ticking over. Now we have Van Veen I would like to see JJOT back in the centre.

Final point, I like Long and he runs hard, but literally makes no attempt to contest a ball aerially against a CB. Makes us going long to him even more maddening.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 05, 2018, 11:05:51 am
Why did we bring on Ariyibi to play centrally?! He was always covered by several Rochdale players, the most dangerous moment of the second half was when he went wide and he beat his man and whipped in a dangerous ball. The lack of width at times was so frustrating, instead of crooks and grimes being able to spread the ball out they kept trying to drive through the middle and giving it away.


This was the most baffling part of Saturday for me. Sam Foley at right wing back whilst we continued to be overrun 3 v 2 in the middle, and then stick Ariyibi in the middle...


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3063 on February 05, 2018, 11:16:08 am
"Rochdale without an away league win all season" - we can't say we weren't warned!

Yes, that is correct. However, in the last few weeks they've drawn against Championship side Millwall and knocked Doncaster Rovers out in the previous round 1-0. Their form away from home is improving and I notice all away games this season have been close, no 3 or 4-0 losses, just one goal in most games they've lost.     


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 05, 2018, 11:55:49 am
You can't glean anything from Rochdale's performances before coming to Sixfields.........they may have not played any of their "easier games to come" yet, has anyone assessed their stats against top half and bottom half?

I'd say that their next few games give plenty of opportunities to pick points up......after the Cup replay at home to Millwall they have home games against Fleetwood, Oldham and MK, with an away game against Bristol Rovers thrown in.

It is also incorrect that they hadn't won away in 12 months......their last away league win was on 13th April at Bury.....less than 10 months ago. They have also won away this season at Mansfield in August (EFL Cup), and won again at Bury in the EFL Trophy in September, plus they won away at Slough in the FA Cup in December and of course at Doncaster in the Cup in January.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Grove on February 05, 2018, 13:59:49 pm
You can't glean anything from Rochdale's performances before coming to Sixfields.........they may have not played any of their "easier games to come" yet, has anyone assessed their stats against top half and bottom half?

I'd say that their next few games give plenty of opportunities to pick points up......after the Cup replay at home to Millwall they have home games against Fleetwood, Oldham and MK, with an away game against Bristol Rovers thrown in.

It is also incorrect that they hadn't won away in 12 months......their last away league win was on 13th April at Bury.....less than 10 months ago. They have also won away this season at Mansfield in August (EFL Cup), and won again at Bury in the EFL Trophy in September, plus they won away at Slough in the FA Cup in December and of course at Doncaster in the Cup in January.

Yeah , but APART from those wins  ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Razor on February 05, 2018, 14:18:57 pm
His presence might help to get a few bodies through the door but it's becoming clear that JFH is not the man.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 05, 2018, 14:28:17 pm
Rubbish, they are where they are for a reason. Was that not there first away win in 12 months???
You weren't actually at the game again, were you?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest2539 on February 05, 2018, 14:45:22 pm
One poor game in the last FIVE and it is the managers fault, not the players, so lets change the manager, STUNNING !!! How many micro seconds did it take you to think that response Razor?

Changing the manager has worked so many times before?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Razor on February 05, 2018, 15:46:08 pm
One poor game in the last FIVE and it is the managers fault, not the players, so lets change the manager, STUNNING !!! How many micro seconds did it take you to think that response Razor?

Changing the manager has worked so many times before?

It's not one poor game in five that's the problem though is it?

I've been unconvinced by JFH since the beginning. He's got the biggest budget of any Cobblers manager in my lifetime and we're still sh*te. Tactically he's VERY hit and miss and Saturday merely served to illustrate what poor decision making he possesses.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt before the transfer window but he's been backed by the board and now it's time to deliver.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Manwork04 on February 05, 2018, 16:54:31 pm
It's not one poor game in five that's the problem though is it?

I've been unconvinced by JFH since the beginning. He's got the biggest budget of any Cobblers manager in my lifetime and we're still sh*te. Tactically he's VERY hit and miss and Saturday merely served to illustrate what poor decision making he possesses.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt before the transfer window but he's been backed by the board and now it's time to deliver.
Couldn't agree more Razor, JFH flatters to deceive, we seem to be in a bizarre cycle of results, win three on the bounce draw one then play dreadful for the next five or six games this sequence has happend two or three times this season and is about to repeat again.
Saturday's game is massive for JFH another display like last week and the knives will be well and truly out.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 05, 2018, 17:37:55 pm
Im finding it interesting reading all of the post match analysis on here, twitter etc. I know Im very much on my own with this one but here goes, a few bullet points!

1. I made the point after 5 minutes that 'we hadn't turned up'. It was clear as day from where I was sitting. The usual system we started with was getting us absolutely no where, I actually wanted us to bring the new striker on (VV) at half time, take off Pierra (who was absolutely useless) and drop JJ into midfield. HOWEVER, it was tricky because Long at that point looked like he was going to get sent off. So it was very much a case of giving it 15 minutes 2nd half and seeing what happened.
2. I didn't actually pick up we'd gone to a wing back formation until a little later in the game. I sit behind the goal, I honestly hadn't even noticed. We were attacking the North Stand, I couldn't work out why we didn't seem to have any wingers and those I spoke with at half time couldn't either!  ;D
3. Every single outfield player to a man didn't win his personal battle. Frankly, whichever system we'd employed on Saturday we'd have been found wanting. We were over ran from the first minute, although I accept we did come close to scoring when JJ headed at the keeper. A tweak here and there would have made little difference, the scene was set from kick off.
4. Rochdale on the day were just so much more up for it. Like we were at Oxford (or Bradford by the sounds of it, didn't go to that game). On the odd occasion, even a poor side (Rochdale 4 wins in the league from 26 I think before Saturday) will perform way above their natural level. It was Rochdale's turn on Saturday. Over a 46 game season it will happen a few times. Think Dagenham and Redbridge at home the season we won the league…the performance that day was on a par with Saturdays one.
5. The current team cannot be compared to the side we saw Sep-Dec that capitulated on numerous occasion. 5 of those who started have only been here for a maximum of a month, JJ was injured for most of the aforementioned period, as was Foley. Only Taylor, Grimes, Crooks (who missed a big chunk as well) were present when we were constantly bad.
6. Since JFH has been able to deal in the transfer market we've won3, drawn 1 and lost 1. Thats 10 points from 5 games. Two of those were away games at top6 sides.
7. Id put it down to mindset. Its virtually impossible for a sports team to get themselves fired up against poor looking opponents like they easily can against better teams. Blackburn away we were massive underdogs, we then go to the other extreme a week later. Its particularly tough when you have such extremes. Liverpool beat Man City the other week who hadn't lost all season , the next game they lose to Swansea who were bottom. It happens all the time, in every league, in every country and in many different sports.
8. The difference between successful teams and not so successful ones is consistency. I doubt Rochdale have played that well away from home all season, huge credit should be given to them for their one off display at Sixfields.

Would I have gone wing backs? No, definitely not. BUT like I say I don't think it would have made the slightest bit of difference because of the reasons I've said. Taylor didn't win a header most of the game against their big number9, thats the first time this season I've seen him properly 'owned'! JJ had his poorest game to date since coming back from injury.  Long didn't do anything. Grimes…when he has a bad game he makes sure it really is a shocker! Bunney…was he playing? Pierra…good Lord!! Turnbull…couldn't do a thing right with the ball!

I could go on but when each and every member of the team plays so badly, are all 'owned' by their opposite number…you get a Wembley v Bradford re-incarnation!

I say, forget this game…and hope we get a big reaction on Saturday. Im fully expecting one!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 05, 2018, 17:42:37 pm
You weren't actually at the game again, were you?

Yes, not sure whats that got to do with anything tho.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 05, 2018, 18:07:26 pm
Yes, not sure whats that got to do with anything tho.
Because frankly, sounds like an armchair assessment of Dale! As said, their position to a large extent belies them, having so many games in hand and having knocked out Donny (away) and a minute or so from winning at Millwall (away) last week!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 05, 2018, 18:08:14 pm
His presence might help to get a few bodies through the door but it's becoming clear that JFH is not the man.

what!  Who is going to then?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 05, 2018, 18:18:36 pm
Im finding it interesting reading all of the post match analysis on here, twitter etc. I know Im very much on my own with this one but here goes, a few bullet points!

1. I made the point after 5 minutes that 'we hadn't turned up'. It was clear as day from where I was sitting. The usual system we started with was getting us absolutely no where, I actually wanted us to bring the new striker on (VV) at half time, take off Pierra (who was absolutely useless) and drop JJ into midfield. HOWEVER, it was tricky because Long at that point looked like he was going to get sent off. So it was very much a case of giving it 15 minutes 2nd half and seeing what happened.
2. I didn't actually pick up we'd gone to a wing back formation until a little later in the game. I sit behind the goal, I honestly hadn't even noticed. We were attacking the North Stand, I couldn't work out why we didn't seem to have any wingers and those I spoke with at half time couldn't either!  ;D
3. Every single outfield player to a man didn't win his personal battle. Frankly, whichever system we'd employed on Saturday we'd have been found wanting. We were over ran from the first minute, although I accept we did come close to scoring when JJ headed at the keeper. A tweak here and there would have made little difference, the scene was set from kick off.
4. Rochdale on the day were just so much more up for it. Like we were at Oxford (or Bradford by the sounds of it, didn't go to that game). On the odd occasion, even a poor side (Rochdale 4 wins in the league from 26 I think before Saturday) will perform way above their natural level. It was Rochdale's turn on Saturday. Over a 46 game season it will happen a few times. Think Dagenham and Redbridge at home the season we won the league…the performance that day was on a par with Saturdays one.
5. The current team cannot be compared to the side we saw Sep-Dec that capitulated on numerous occasion. 5 of those who started have only been here for a maximum of a month, JJ was injured for most of the aforementioned period, as was Foley. Only Taylor, Grimes, Crooks (who missed a big chunk as well) were present when we were constantly bad.
6. Since JFH has been able to deal in the transfer market we've won3, drawn 1 and lost 1. Thats 10 points from 5 games. Two of those were away games at top6 sides.
7. Id put it down to mindset. Its virtually impossible for a sports team to get themselves fired up against poor looking opponents like they easily can against better teams. Blackburn away we were massive underdogs, we then go to the other extreme a week later. Its particularly tough when you have such extremes. Liverpool beat Man City the other week who hadn't lost all season , the next game they lose to Swansea who were bottom. It happens all the time, in every league, in every country and in many different sports.
8. The difference between successful teams and not so successful ones is consistency. I doubt Rochdale have played that well away from home all season, huge credit should be given to them for their one off display at Sixfields.

Would I have gone wing backs? No, definitely not. BUT like I say I don't think it would have made the slightest bit of difference because of the reasons I've said. Taylor didn't win a header most of the game against their big number9, thats the first time this season I've seen him properly 'owned'! JJ had his poorest game to date since coming back from injury.  Long didn't do anything. Grimes…when he has a bad game he makes sure it really is a shocker! Bunney…was he playing? Pierra…good Lord!! Turnbull…couldn't do a thing right with the ball!

I could go on but when each and every member of the team plays so badly, are all 'owned' by their opposite number…you get a Wembley v Bradford re-incarnation!

I say, forget this game…and hope we get a big reaction on Saturday. Im fully expecting one!

Agree with much of that. However...

1. Thought Bunney did ok and don't blame Long - on his own with little service.

2. Think you are being quite patronising regarding Dale. You haven't seen them (other than against the Cobblers) so can't remotely say it was a one off performance. Indeed, by all accounts, they'd put a good performance in at Millwall just the Sat before. As said above, they despatched Donny at the Keepmoat (I think) the round before.

3. Again, not sure how you can know what runs through a professional player's mind to state that a team can't motivate themselves against lower opposition...that theory can with ease be blown out of the water quicker than you can say HMS Hood!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 05, 2018, 18:21:31 pm
Im finding it interesting reading all of the post match analysis on here, twitter etc. I know Im very much on my own with this one but here goes, a few bullet points!

1. I made the point after 5 minutes that 'we hadn't turned up'. It was clear as day from where I was sitting. The usual system we started with was getting us absolutely no where, I actually wanted us to bring the new striker on (VV) at half time, take off Pierra (who was absolutely useless) and drop JJ into midfield. HOWEVER, it was tricky because Long at that point looked like he was going to get sent off. So it was very much a case of giving it 15 minutes 2nd half and seeing what happened.
2. I didn't actually pick up we'd gone to a wing back formation until a little later in the game. I sit behind the goal, I honestly hadn't even noticed. We were attacking the North Stand, I couldn't work out why we didn't seem to have any wingers and those I spoke with at half time couldn't either!  ;D
3. Every single outfield player to a man didn't win his personal battle. Frankly, whichever system we'd employed on Saturday we'd have been found wanting. We were over ran from the first minute, although I accept we did come close to scoring when JJ headed at the keeper. A tweak here and there would have made little difference, the scene was set from kick off.
4. Rochdale on the day were just so much more up for it. Like we were at Oxford (or Bradford by the sounds of it, didn't go to that game). On the odd occasion, even a poor side (Rochdale 4 wins in the league from 26 I think before Saturday) will perform way above their natural level. It was Rochdale's turn on Saturday. Over a 46 game season it will happen a few times. Think Dagenham and Redbridge at home the season we won the league…the performance that day was on a par with Saturdays one.
5. The current team cannot be compared to the side we saw Sep-Dec that capitulated on numerous occasion. 5 of those who started have only been here for a maximum of a month, JJ was injured for most of the aforementioned period, as was Foley. Only Taylor, Grimes, Crooks (who missed a big chunk as well) were present when we were constantly bad.
6. Since JFH has been able to deal in the transfer market we've won3, drawn 1 and lost 1. Thats 10 points from 5 games. Two of those were away games at top6 sides.
7. Id put it down to mindset. Its virtually impossible for a sports team to get themselves fired up against poor looking opponents like they easily can against better teams. Blackburn away we were massive underdogs, we then go to the other extreme a week later. Its particularly tough when you have such extremes. Liverpool beat Man City the other week who hadn't lost all season , the next game they lose to Swansea who were bottom. It happens all the time, in every league, in every country and in many different sports.
8. The difference between successful teams and not so successful ones is consistency. I doubt Rochdale have played that well away from home all season, huge credit should be given to them for their one off display at Sixfields.

Would I have gone wing backs? No, definitely not. BUT like I say I don't think it would have made the slightest bit of difference because of the reasons I've said. Taylor didn't win a header most of the game against their big number9, thats the first time this season I've seen him properly 'owned'! JJ had his poorest game to date since coming back from injury.  Long didn't do anything. Grimes…when he has a bad game he makes sure it really is a shocker! Bunney…was he playing? Pierra…good Lord!! Turnbull…couldn't do a thing right with the ball!

I could go on but when each and every member of the team plays so badly, are all 'owned' by their opposite number…you get a Wembley v Bradford re-incarnation!

I say, forget this game…and hope we get a big reaction on Saturday. Im fully expecting one!

What a great post and something to perhaps give us some positivity ahead of Saturday. However, if we see a repeat performance at the Dons then it will be very worrying. I'm willing to chalk this one off if we react with a performance on Saturday. No pressure.......


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 05, 2018, 18:25:18 pm
It's not one poor game in five that's the problem though is it?

I've been unconvinced by JFH since the beginning. He's got the biggest budget of any Cobblers manager in my lifetime and we're still sh*te. Tactically he's VERY hit and miss and Saturday merely served to illustrate what poor decision making he possesses.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt before the transfer window but he's been backed by the board and now it's time to deliver.

So you didnt see Blackburn , MK , Southend and Bradford games then ? That's a query because I find your assessment astonishing - most on here said they will give him the benefit of the doubt after the Window closed. It only closed end of Jan , so for me and probably a few others probably will (have to) give him a little more time if only for 2/3 games. I agree with resident expert Man04 that a defeat on Sat may mean  the the knives will be out.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Spinney cobbler on February 05, 2018, 18:27:40 pm
8. The difference between successful teams and not so successful ones is consistency. I doubt Rochdale have played that well away from home all season, huge credit should be given to them for their one off display at Sixfields.

To their credit they did get a good draw away at Millwall which is not the easiest place to go.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 05, 2018, 19:46:49 pm

 I doubt Rochdale have played that well away from home all season, huge credit should be given to them for their one off display at Sixfields.

I say, forget this game…and hope we get a big reaction on Saturday. Im fully expecting one!

Mostly agree with your comments; in hindsight it is easy to blame the manager which many of us go out of our away to do so. But JHF was right to say he was worried by the teams  ' flatness' and inability to make a proper game of it. I still think the players mainly contributed to their downfall on Saturday; true they were aided by system changes which may have added to their problems. I was struck by the lack of leadership on the pitch not just AT but every player.

On the Millwall game listening to the BBC report on game Rochdale were extremely unlucky not to have won. They played well at Millwall and then us. Sincerely hope it was just a one off and we get an inspired reaction on Saturday. They did at Bradford so they can do it again.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 05, 2018, 20:18:02 pm
A be blown out of the water quicker than you can say HMS Hood!

Now then now then ; unlucky hit by Bismark or Prinz Eugen . We had no such luck on Sat 8)


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 05, 2018, 20:43:32 pm
Because frankly, sounds like an armchair assessment of Dale! As said, their position to a large extent belies them, having so many games in hand and having knocked out Donny (away) and a minute or so from winning at Millwall (away) last week!

Rochdale were below average no better. We made them look good. Fair play to Keith hill tho, the way he shackled jj went a long way to winning them the game


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Vince Planner on February 05, 2018, 22:36:41 pm
The midfield sat so deep it was like we had a back 6, we effectively gave them the middle of the park which gave them the time and space to dictate the game. Rochdale played well but had we put JJ in the centre once we realised it wasn’t working with Crooks and Grimes in there, then I am certain it would have been a totally different game.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 06, 2018, 08:05:03 am
Rochdale were below average no better. We made them look good. Fair play to Keith hill tho, the way he shackled jj went a long way to winning them the game
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To come up with that opinion seems to suggest that again you were not there?


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Wolvo on February 06, 2018, 13:40:46 pm
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To come up with that opinion seems to suggest that again you were not there?

Why? Rochdale were bad, we were terrible. It was like a lower league two game.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Spinney cobbler on February 06, 2018, 13:51:51 pm
Rochdale were below average no better. We made them look good. Fair play to Keith hill tho, the way he shackled jj went a long way to winning them the game
We all see things different.I thought Rochdale looked a good team.We obviously didn't give them a game but our defence could not handle their No9.Time for McWilliams to get a game to put himself about.I would drop Crooks not saying  he is a bad player but just doesn't look up for it.Need some more bite in the team instead of relying on John joe all the time.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 06, 2018, 14:15:24 pm
Why? Rochdale were bad, we were terrible. It was like a lower league two game.

Bad? Really! In this instance your opinion is not shared by many on here. We were terrible , you got that bit right!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 06, 2018, 15:32:08 pm
Mostly agree with your comments; in hindsight it is easy to blame the manager which many of us go out of our away to do so. But JHF was right to say he was worried by the teams  ' flatness' and inability to make a proper game of it. I still think the players mainly contributed to their downfall on Saturday; true they were aided by system changes which may have added to their problems. I was struck by the lack of leadership on the pitch not just AT but every player.

On the Millwall game listening to the BBC report on game Rochdale were extremely unlucky not to have won. They played well at Millwall and then us. Sincerely hope it was just a one off and we get an inspired reaction on Saturday. They did at Bradford so they can do it again.
Agree, changes need to be made...

Jimmy Hasslebaink Floyd has quite a ring to it!  ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 06, 2018, 15:35:45 pm
Now then now then ; unlucky hit by Bismark or Prinz Eugen . We had no such luck on Sat 8)
Excellent strike from outside of the box from Prinz Eugen...Rico wouldn't have got near!  ;)


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 06, 2018, 15:45:58 pm
Why? Rochdale were bad, we were terrible. It was like a lower league two game.
It probably will be next season


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 06, 2018, 20:44:21 pm
What were some of us saying about Dale?
Though the pitch wasn't in the best of nick!  8)


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3063 on February 06, 2018, 20:54:38 pm
What were some of us saying about Dale?
Though the pitch wasn't in the best of nick!  8)

They will certainly have a fixture congestion come the end of the season. A few more games will probably be called off also, looking at the state of that pitch.

Also, Bury win 2-1 against AFC Wimbledon - 9 points behind us with a game in hand plus we still need to visit Bury.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 06, 2018, 20:57:05 pm
What were some of us saying about Dale?
Though the pitch wasn't in the best of nick!  8)

Sounds like outplayed Millwall too - just like us ;D How could some experts on here get Rochdale so wrong! Its not if they had not seen Dale play on Saturday! Still its only a game. Poor old Glassy boy, wonder if he can dig himself out of the hole he has dug.He can buy us all a drink at AFC.

On another note only 2750 at the game!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 06, 2018, 21:19:02 pm
Sounds like outplayed Millwall too - just like us ;D How could some experts on here get Rochdale so wrong! Its not if they had not seen Dale play on Saturday! Still its only a game. Poor old Glassy boy, wonder if he can dig himself out of the hole he has dug.He can buy us all a drink at AFC.

On another note only 2750 at the game!

All ticket too!! Just because Millwall were visiting! They took 351 fans!

Lincoln meanwhile pulled in 9,444 for a checkatrade trophy game against Chelsea U21’s


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 06, 2018, 21:36:51 pm
If Dale face Spurs in round 5 there will be more than 2750 there! Guaranteed sell out around 9,000 I'd guess. Fair play to Lincoln also, their gates have increased massively in 18 months. It's amazing what a bit of success and a stadium that can fit nearly 10,000 in can do. It will be interesting to see how many make the trip for their first ever visit to Wembley.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 06, 2018, 21:43:55 pm
If Dale face Spurs in round 5 there will be more than 2750 there! Guaranteed sell out around 9,000 I'd guess. Fair play to Lincoln also, their gates have increased massively in 18 months. It's amazing what a bit of success and a stadium that can fit nearly 10,000 in can do. It will be interesting to see how many make the trip for their first ever visit to Wembley.


I’ll go for Dale taking 200 to Newport in round 5 ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 07, 2018, 09:40:22 am
Sounds like outplayed Millwall too - just like us ;D How could some experts on here get Rochdale so wrong! Its not if they had not seen Dale play on Saturday! Still its only a game. Poor old Glassy boy, wonder if he can dig himself out of the hole he has dug.He can buy us all a drink at AFC.

On another note only 2750 at the game!

Sounds to me like they did a job on Millwall as they did with us on Saturday - No more, no Less - But fair play to Keith Hill for that!

As for the wider picture 1 away win in 12 months gives a more accurate picture than a one off game and accounts as to why they are in the poisition they are. My guess would be they will finish in the bottom 6 - lets hope we are still above them come the end of May.

As others have said the fixture pile up and state of their pitch will also have an impact on them going forward.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: threeinabed on February 07, 2018, 10:23:41 am
Lincoln meanwhile pulled in 9,444 for a checkatrade trophy game against Chelsea U21’s

did someone forget to tell lincoln that this competition apparently doesnt matter?!?!?!?!



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3023 on February 07, 2018, 10:34:05 am
Sounds to me like they did a job on Millwall as they did with us on Saturday - No more, no Less - But fair play to Keith Hill for that!

As for the wider picture 1 away win in 12 months gives a more accurate picture than a one off game and accounts as to why they are in the poisition they are. My guess would be they will finish in the bottom 6 - lets hope we are still above them come the end of May.

As others have said the fixture pile up and state of their pitch will also have an impact on them going forward.


On Saturday I thought they looked as good as any League 1 team I've seen this season, bar maybe Peterborough.

I think they will get out of trouble. Bury, MK, Wimbledon will go down IMO, who the other relegation team will be is what I can't decide.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 07, 2018, 11:56:57 am
Sounds to me like they did a job on Millwall as they did with us on Saturday - No more, no Less - But fair play to Keith Hill for that!

As for the wider picture 1 away win in 12 months gives a more accurate picture than a one off game and accounts as to why they are in the poisition they are. My guess would be they will finish in the bottom 6 - lets hope we are still above them come the end of May.

As others have said the fixture pile up and state of their pitch will also have an impact on them going forward.

You have avoided the issue - which is Rochdale are in a false position and a better side than their league position suggests!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 07, 2018, 12:07:07 pm
You have avoided the issue - which is Rochdale are in a false position and a better side than their league position suggests!

No I haven't Rochdale are where they are in the league table based on results (espeically their away form) and will end up in the bottom 6 in the table.

How much more clear can I be ?!?!?!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Wolvo on February 07, 2018, 12:32:49 pm
You have avoided the issue - which is Rochdale are in a false position and a better side than their league position suggests!

They really are bad though, and fully expect them relegated. Between that game and the Bury home game, the quality really resembled that of lower table league 2 football.

The fact we managed only 1 point out of a possible 6 shows how bad we can be sometimes.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 07, 2018, 12:41:44 pm
Rochdale were VERY decent against us on Saturday, but like I say every single 'crap team' will play well at some point over a season. Including their win versus us, thats 5 wins from 27 they've managed. And less than a point a game.

To suggest they will stay up based on their performances against us on Saturday and Millwall in the cup both being decent is rather silly! Its almost as you's lot think they've been good the rest of the time…which they clearly haven't been. Jesus, they even did their very best to lose against us after being 2-0 up, only a missed penalty in the last minute saw them get a draw! And that was after we hadn't scored for 6 games!  ;D

I *suspect they are a decent footballing side but with a very soft centre. Perhaps they lack leaders? They certainly lack their top assist player, who they sold to us!

They need to produce top half of the table form for 19 games to stay in this division. Id say that is highly unlikely.

Fair play to them for their win against us though…they played very well!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 07, 2018, 13:07:37 pm
No I haven't Rochdale are where they are in the league table based on results (espeically their away form) and will end up in the bottom 6 in the table.

How much more clear can I be ?!?!?!

Not quite they have played fewer games which accounts or at least partially accounts for their league standing. Quite why you ignore this fact is surprising. Also how can you say they will end up in the bottom six given the amount of games they still have to play. That is sheer conjecture on yr part. One could say based on their. recent performances that they might well finish 15th. Why don't you admit your original opinion on Rochdale was in this instance was misplaced? Pretty sure Millwall did!






Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 07, 2018, 13:13:33 pm
They really are bad though, and fully expect them relegated. Between that game and the Bury home game, the quality really resembled that of lower table league 2 football.

The fact we managed only 1 point out of a possible 6 shows how bad we can be sometimes.

Yeah ok - yr opinion is sacrosanct . The simple fact is that they are not that bad!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 07, 2018, 14:13:30 pm
Yeah ok - yr opinion is sacrosanct . The simple fact is that they are not that bad!

What actual factual information do you have to back that up nevers???

You mean it's your opinion (which by the way you are quite entitled to as am i)





Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 07, 2018, 16:02:30 pm
Sounds like outplayed Millwall too - just like us ;D How could some experts on here get Rochdale so wrong! Its not if they had not seen Dale play on Saturday! Still its only a game. Poor old Glassy boy, wonder if he can dig himself out of the hole he has dug.He can buy us all a drink at AFC.

On another note only 2750 at the game!
Thing is, (regarding attendance) Millwall were there last season, and the season before ( on the day when we were trouncing  Orient 4-1 - oh the days!) so no novelty value on either side's part tbf.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 07, 2018, 16:12:53 pm
Rochdale were VERY decent against us on Saturday, but like I say every single 'crap team' will play well at some point over a season. Including their win versus us, thats 5 wins from 27 they've managed. And less than a point a game.

To suggest they will stay up based on their performances against us on Saturday and Millwall in the cup both being decent is rather silly! Its almost as you's lot think they've been good the rest of the time…which they clearly haven't been. Jesus, they even did their very best to lose against us after being 2-0 up, only a missed penalty in the last minute saw them get a draw! And that was after we hadn't scored for 6 games!  ;D

I *suspect they are a decent footballing side but with a very soft centre. Perhaps they lack leaders? They certainly lack their top assist player, who they sold to us!

They need to produce top half of the table form for 19 games to stay in this division. Id say that is highly unlikely.

Fair play to them for their win against us though…they played very well!
Drilling, can you not see the (rather silly) hypocrisy on your part?
No one (certainly not myself) is basing opinions about Dale on seeing one performance on Saturday - except you!
Games in hand ( a lot!) two performances against Millwall (now) a win at Donny, coupled yes, with a fine performance against us, suggests they are considerably better than some are giving them credit for.
You still (to make yourself feel better I guess) keep trying to consign their win on Saturday (ooh the downright audacity) against the mighty Cobblers...as a 'one off'!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 07, 2018, 16:15:05 pm
Sounds to me like they did a job on Millwall as they did with us on Saturday - No more, no Less - But fair play to Keith Hill for that!

As for the wider picture 1 away win in 12 months gives a more accurate picture than a one off game and accounts as to why they are in the poisition they are. My guess would be they will finish in the bottom 6 - lets hope we are still above them come the end of May.

As others have said the fixture pile up and state of their pitch will also have an impact on them going forward.
It isn't one win in twelve months - you've been told, now behave!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 07, 2018, 17:03:02 pm
Thing is, (regarding attendance) Millwall were there last season, and the season before ( on the day when we were trouncing  Orient 4-1 - oh the days!) so no novelty value on either side's part tbf.

Ticket holders for last nights game get priority for tickets to the trip to Wembley (or Rodney Parade)!

Perhaps they weren't confident of getting through....or perhaps they were yet are confident that they'll get Newport in the next round!!

Either way, 2400 home fans is pretty poor!! Especially coming off the back of a win at the Mighty Cobblers!  ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: guest3063 on February 07, 2018, 17:12:06 pm
Ticket holders for last nights game get priority for tickets to the trip to Wembley (or Rodney Parade)!

Perhaps they weren't confident of getting through....or perhaps they were yet are confident that they'll get Newport in the next round!!

Either way, 2400 home fans is pretty poor!! Especially coming off the back of a win at the Mighty Cobblers!  ;D

Rochdale are at home in the next round and the game is live on TV. If they get a draw they may get to Wembley but not yet. 


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 07, 2018, 18:11:07 pm
What actual factual information do you have to back that up nevers???

You mean it's your opinion zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


...................refer to Coolies posts on the subject. I sort of give up!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 07, 2018, 19:51:48 pm
...................refer to Coolies posts on the subject. I sort of give up!

So no facts, just opinions then!

Across a number of threads you are making yourself look as bigger tw*t as 78 is with his easier games rubbish.

Let people have an opinion that differs from yours

If people attend games or not it does not make them any less of a supporter!



Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Irchy cob on February 07, 2018, 20:12:00 pm
Christ, sometimes it's hard not to rise to the bait on this board these days - it's a shame that this is what this site has become as it used to be somewhere that reasonable supporters could discuss the cobblers in a respectful way.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 07, 2018, 20:25:05 pm
Christ, sometimes it's hard not to rise to the bait on this board these days - it's a shame that this is what this site has become as it used to be somewhere that reasonable supporters could discuss the cobblers in a respectful way.

Sorry Irchy - no more from me. 


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Coolcat on February 07, 2018, 20:58:58 pm
Ticket holders for last nights game get priority for tickets to the trip to Wembley (or Rodney Parade)!

Perhaps they weren't confident of getting through....or perhaps they were yet are confident that they'll get Newport in the next round!!

Either way, 2400 home fans is pretty poor!! Especially coming off the back of a win at the Mighty Cobblers!  ;D
Yes, but 2,400 isn't a bad attendance. If you consider the weather, size of the town, close proximity to Bury, Oldham and...


...ok, it's s***e!  ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Travelaway on February 07, 2018, 23:57:44 pm
Christ, sometimes it's hard not to rise to the bait on this board these days - it's a shame that this is what this site has become as it used to be somewhere that reasonable supporters could discuss the cobblers in a respectful way.

Best Post for a long time...a true fan 

+1


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 18, 2018, 16:01:42 pm
What were some of us saying about Dale?
Though the pitch wasn't in the best of nick!  8)

Rochdale seems to be doing pretty well and 1-0 up to boot. Ex Cobblers scorer too.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Irchy cob on February 18, 2018, 16:34:43 pm
To be fair Rochdale look very impressive as they did against us the other week. It’ll be very interesting to see how they cope with their 6 (!) games in hand on us - if they keep playing like this there’s a good chance that they could avoid relegation. Must say I was impressed with their right back rafferty at our place and he’s playing well today - perhaps we signed the wrong fullback!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 18, 2018, 19:42:17 pm
To be fair Rochdale look very impressive as they did against us the other week. It’ll be very interesting to see how they cope with their 6 (!) games in hand on us - if they keep playing like this there’s a good chance that they could avoid relegation. Must say I was impressed with their right back rafferty at our place and he’s playing well today - perhaps we signed the wrong fullback!

I'm glad the transfer window is closed!! They've already banked over 200k in prize money for reaching the 5th round, TV revenue from a sell out today and now a trip to Wembley and more TV revenue I'd guess!!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on February 18, 2018, 21:12:57 pm
The last thing Rochdale need is a replay.

They look a decent side and with the games in hand could be in a false position. Fixture congestion could take its toll though.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 18, 2018, 21:26:15 pm
Dale looked very good against the Spuds. If they play like that they will stay up. They'll get beat at Wembley but fair play to them.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: the grumpy old man on February 18, 2018, 23:06:03 pm
Agree with the above comments, thought Rochdale fully deserved a draw and good luck to them in the replay.

Where was Calvin Andrew? not even on the bench, and he played so well against us.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: everbrite on February 19, 2018, 14:58:43 pm
Agree with the above comments, thought Rochdale fully deserved a draw and good luck to them in the replay.

Where was Calvin Andrew? not even on the bench, and he played so well against us.
etc.

Injured according to the DT. Would say they really missed him. Hope he is back for the replay.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on February 19, 2018, 15:17:36 pm
Enjoyed Rochdale matching the efforts of Spurs. Well done them. They will however be playing three games a week soon enough and if they do stay up they will certainly deserve it.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 19, 2018, 15:24:24 pm
Enjoyed Rochdale matching the efforts of Spurs. Well done them. They will however be playing three games a week soon enough and if they do stay up they will certainly deserve it.
If Dale beat the Spuds it will be 4 games a week  :P


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 21, 2018, 20:39:38 pm
So a goalless draw at home to the Cons..........the gate was just 2,353.....with a whopping 80, yes EIGHTY travelling Dons fans!!


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on February 21, 2018, 20:43:17 pm
So a goalless draw at home to the Cons..........the gate was just 2,353.....with a whopping 80, yes EIGHTY travelling Dons fans!!

80  :o  Non league support. Embarrassing for such a massive club  ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: threeinabed on February 22, 2018, 06:56:18 am
If they play like that they will stay up.

but they dont always play like that - which is why they are near the bottom of the league


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: bri77 on February 22, 2018, 08:05:19 am
80  :o  Non league support. Embarrassing for such a massive club  ;D

Yet they wonder why their fans are mocked.

Kettering took 40 to Tiverton on Tuesday night.


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 24, 2018, 19:47:17 pm
They still in a false position????

 :-\


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 24, 2018, 19:51:50 pm
They still in a false position????

 :-\

Well they only lost 0-1 at Wigan today so they're as good as Manchester City are.......right??


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 24, 2018, 20:05:41 pm
Well they only lost 0-1 at Wigan today so they're as good as Manchester City are.......right??

Only 2 wins in their last 15 games suggests otherwise


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: #Frank on February 24, 2018, 20:20:10 pm
Only 2 wins in their last 15 games suggests otherwise

Sack their manager.  ;)


Title: Re: Rochdale
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 24, 2018, 20:22:57 pm
Only 2 wins in their last 15 games suggests otherwise

Yet they took 4 points off us!!

To be honest....they've got a tough run-in, made more difficult by the amount of games left. Middle of March they have 3 home games in a week, against Southend, Wimbledon then Fleetwood.....that's their season right there!