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The Hotel End => Cobblers Corner => Topic started by: Village Idiot on February 13, 2018, 23:00:04 pm



Title: J F H
Post by: Village Idiot on February 13, 2018, 23:00:04 pm
Anybody notice that Dutch windmill standing on the touch line barking out orders every 30 seconds to the bewilderment of the players?

If you had a 'player of the month' who had just scored 4 goals and then in the last game created 3 goals would you move him more defensive so he does not effect the game so much?
I feel sorry for Foley (a central defensive midfielder) who is played on the wing ahead of the wingers we signed!

The home performances against Rochdale and Gillingham are not acceptable!

Is JFH the new tinkerman?


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: #Frank on February 13, 2018, 23:02:36 pm
Second half was fine. Good substitutions made.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 13, 2018, 23:04:10 pm
Anybody notice that Dutch windmill standing on the touch line barking out orders every 30 seconds to the bewilderment of the players?

If you had a 'player of the month' who had just scored 4 goals and then in the last game created 3 goals would you move him more defensive so he does not effect the game so much?
I feel sorry for Foley (a central defensive midfielder) who is played on the wing ahead of the wingers we signed!

The home performances against Rochdale and Gillingham are not acceptable!

Is JFH the new tinkerman?

He's hardly the new tinkerman is he? He's been in charge for 34 games and Oglethorpe reckons we have only played the same side in consecutive games ONCE. Is this true?


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 13, 2018, 23:06:33 pm
Rob Page was in charge for 34 games......Won 10, drew 8 and lost 16.
Hasselbaink has now been in charge for 34 games.....Won 10, drawn 9 and lost 15.

Thats progress folks!!


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Stag on February 13, 2018, 23:09:38 pm
Second half was fine. Good substitutions made.



Presume you are referring to them not us?  Aryibi repeatedly skinned their full back ball...ball goes out of play ..he gets moved to left midfield ..utter chaos


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: AlistairSlowe on February 13, 2018, 23:13:58 pm
Just **** Hopeless


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: #Frank on February 13, 2018, 23:14:33 pm


Presume you are referring to them not us?  Aryibi repeatedly skinned their full back ball...ball goes out of play ..he gets moved to left midfield ..utter chaos

Both teams made good substitutions. Martin did a great job on Pereira.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: cj on February 13, 2018, 23:17:22 pm


Presume you are referring to them not us?  Aryibi repeatedly skinned their full back ball...ball goes out of play ..he gets moved to left midfield ..utter chaos
He If we'd have stuck with Aryibi, Powell and Hilda in a three playing behind Long with JJ and Grimes holding, we might have got something from tonight.
The most inept ntfc representative on show tonight was again JFH.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: #Frank on February 13, 2018, 23:24:05 pm

The most inept ntfc representative on show tonight was again JFH.

Did you not see our bloke during the chip the ball in the skip. I split tea all down my coat because of his last effort.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 13, 2018, 23:30:42 pm
It wasn't the subs in the 2nd half that annoyed me. It was the total lack of making any changes during the first half!

Like I said on the match day thread, Id have hauled Bunney off after 15 minutes and replaced him with a defender, moving Turnbull to left back. They were destroying us down his side and it was a matter of time before they scored their 2nd goal. And it was only pure luck it wasn't 3, 4 or even 5-0 at half time. They were just banging long balls towards him, over himÖit was absolutely horrible to watch.

I refuse to give one tiny bit of credit for making 3 'attacking subs' in the 2nd half after we'd basically lost the game.

Tonight JFH looked way out of his depth. Its more than a concernÖ.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 13, 2018, 23:38:53 pm
Out thought again by the opposition and JFH had no real answer.
His message clearly isnít getting through because I have not seen so many players look so confused since Peterborough away .
Powell looked like he had no idea and Bunney gets caught out so many times itís untrue .
Of the new players , only Ariyibi has shown anything to be encouraged by so far .
We need to settle the formation down and pick a consistent team


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Mr. 6fields Owl on February 13, 2018, 23:52:21 pm
Quote from Jimmy tonight.
ďWe just canít find the consistency at the moment and I need to put my finger on why that is. We wanted to put things right here after Rochdale and tonight simply wasnít good enough.

Iíll put my finger on it... donít play one up front at home, pick your best team, stick with it and maybe just **** maybe youíll get some consistent performances!!


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: cj on February 13, 2018, 23:58:58 pm
Did you not see our bloke during the chip the ball in the skip. I split tea all down my coat because of his last effort.
I thought you said 78 was upstairs eating his carrot cake?..


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: #Frank on February 14, 2018, 00:14:17 am
I thought you said 78 was upstairs eating his carrot cake?..

No. I can't be sure what type of cake it was and only said it looked like carrot cake. It might have been ginger cake or parkin cake.

What type would be easier to make?


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Tom on February 14, 2018, 00:17:33 am
Rob Page was in charge for 34 games......Won 10, drew 8 and lost 16.
Hasselbaink has now been in charge for 34 games.....Won 10, drawn 9 and lost 15.

Thats progress folks!!

What a terrible comparison.

Page came in and took on a team that had just walked league 2, JFH inherited utter garbage.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 14, 2018, 00:21:46 am
Nice bloke but crap Manager.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: everbrite on February 14, 2018, 00:28:18 am
He If we'd have stuck with Aryibi, Powell and Hilda in a three playing behind Long with JJ and Grimes holding, we might have got something from tonight.
The most inept ntfc representative on show tonight was again JFH.

                                                     'IF'


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: cj on February 14, 2018, 01:23:51 am
No. I can't be sure what type of cake it was and only said it looked like carrot cake. It might have been ginger cake or parkin cake.

What type would be easier to make?
We won't know the answer to that until the end of the baking season.
Keep up Frank.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Village Idiot on February 14, 2018, 06:14:45 am
After sleeping on last nights non-performance I am just as frustrated.

I thought JFH looked like a person managing an UNDER 9's side, shouting out so many instructions, so regularly, that players have no chance to think and learn for themselves.
I wish Jimmy would sit in the dugout and let the team carry out his pre-match instructions and only occasionally tweek plans as the game unfolds NOT every 30 seconds moving players around!

Tactically I would play Foley or McWilliams with Grimes as holding midfielders and give more support to Long (or VV) with JJ , Crooks and Ariyibi...............................................and let them play a group of games together.
He seems to change the team too much dependant on the opposition instead on the emphasis on them worrying on how we play.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Letchworthcobbler on February 14, 2018, 06:22:20 am
I guess every team will be playing a 3-5-2 formation against us now. This thorn in the side of his team needs to be addressed quick!


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: defender on February 14, 2018, 07:28:20 am
Rob Page was in charge for 34 games......Won 10, drew 8 and lost 16.
Hasselbaink has now been in charge for 34 games.....Won 10, drawn 9 and lost 15.

Thats progress folks!! 
                   HA. HA HA. VERY GOOD.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on February 14, 2018, 07:45:04 am
There are plenty of comments to make about JFH's team and positional selections and constant tinkering but the one thing that is as clear as daylight is that he has to play JJOT "in the hole" behind the striker where he can challenge for the ball, set up attacks and makes runs into the opposition penalty area where he takes a lot of chances.  Why on earth JFH played JJOT in a deeper role last night completely defeats me. Foley or McWilliams could do that role if Crooks was injured which begs another question of why have Crooks on the bench if he was carrying a knock. If Buchanan had been a sub Bunney's nightmare match could and should have ended in an early bath.

I worry about JFH but I am worrying more about this fight against the drop. 


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Parklands Cobbler on February 14, 2018, 07:51:40 am
I can only echo what most of the previous comments have said re moving John Joe,Bunney who looks such a poor defender,Powell who should not be playing league football.
Going back to the game JFH played Revell right midfield,his baffling team selection,inability to change tactics quickly,in my opinion he will go down as one of our poorest ever Managers.
Whether we can stay up or get relegated I am not looking forward to next season with him in charge.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: threeinabed on February 14, 2018, 08:55:22 am
What a terrible comparison.

Page came in and took on a team that had just walked league 2, JFH inherited utter garbage.


how many of that team was page allowed to keep and play in his first game?


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 14, 2018, 11:22:36 am
Before he got the job I said I was concerned that JFH had succeeded at Burton thanks to Gary Rowett laying a fantastic foundation, and had been sussed out at QPR.

I'm concerned that this may be proved to be correct..


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: SteveRiches on February 14, 2018, 12:13:21 pm
All I can say is that so far his tactical nous has proved totally naff and it's in all our interests that he gets it right asap!


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 14, 2018, 12:53:27 pm
You only have to read Lovells comments from his post match interview to see the difference between the managers.

He "knew" we'd only play one up front so switched to a back 3....no point in having a full back there he said. Therefore he loaded the midfield and won the battle.

Lovell went to exploit our tactics and weaknesses....Hasselbaink looks to negate opposition strengths. He's too worried about trying to stop our opponents from playing rather than just play our own game and give THEM something to think about.

Lovell has done a good job at Gillingham....his first managerial post. Won 12 out of 25 games and only lost 5. They have only failed to score in 2 of those 25 games.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Wolvo on February 14, 2018, 13:21:30 pm
You only have to read Lovells comments from his post match interview to see the difference between the managers.

He "knew" we'd only play one up front so switched to a back 3....no point in having a full back there he said. Therefore he loaded the midfield and won the battle.

Lovell went to exploit our tactics and weaknesses....Hasselbaink looks to negate opposition strengths. He's too worried about trying to stop our opponents from playing rather than just play our own game and give THEM something to think about.

Lovell has done a good job at Gillingham....his first managerial post. Won 12 out of 25 games and only lost 5. They have only failed to score in 2 of those 25 games.

Opposition manager tries to negate our strengths and is successful. Praised for his approach.

Our manager tries to negate their strengths and is unsuccessful. Criticized for his approach.

I understand the team and manager will come under scrutiny on the back of another poor home defeat. But you have to be consistent with how you criticize managers.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 14, 2018, 13:26:21 pm
Jimmy unfortunately seems clueless most of the time and seems unwilling and inflexible to adapt.

The straight forward and correct thing to have done yesterday if van veen and crooks were both injured was just staight swaps for long and Mcwilliams.  Instead Tinkerbank tries to reiver the wheel.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 14, 2018, 13:28:45 pm
Opposition manager tries to negate our strengths and is successful. Praised for his approach.

Our manager tries to negate their strengths and is unsuccessful. Criticized for his approach.

I understand the team and manager will come under scrutiny on the back of another poor home defeat. But you have to be consistent with how you criticize managers.

Depends how you read it!! If you are calling us playing one up front a "strength" then fair enough. He knew how we'd play so worked a system to exploit that. IMO Hasselbaink looks to nullify opposition teams rather than impose on them.

4 defenders and two holding midfielders, with only one player up front, at home.....really?? What is the "strength"???


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Wolvo on February 14, 2018, 13:30:38 pm
Depends how you read it!! If you are calling us playing one up front a "strength" then fair enough. He knew how we'd play so worked a system to exploit that. IMO Hasselbaink looks to nullify opposition teams rather than impose on them.

4 defenders and two holding midfielders, with only one player up front, at home.....really?? What is the "strength"???

The strength is where the criticism lays (in my opinion). And that is with the O'Toole and Long combo.

Rochdale nullified it successfully playing 3 at the back, and it looked like Gillingham tried the same.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Mr. 6fields Owl on February 14, 2018, 14:04:56 pm
How many times did he change the players and the system around last night causing confusion amongst most on the pitch? He's so tactically brilliant its scary! 22 mins on the clock last night before our first meaningful attack, as the home side we should take the initiative early on it very rarely happens. Seven home league games lost under him now, some with his own players!


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: bri77 on February 14, 2018, 14:12:04 pm
We need to get our best team picked, create our own style and stick with it. Stop focusing so much on the opposition and build on our own strengths.

I'm not calling for JFH to go or anything drastic like that but our lack of consistency is pretty much because of his constant chopping and changing.

The first half yesterday has to be as bad a half as we have had for years and only being 2 down was a miracle. Yes we got back into it in the second half but Gillingham managed to completely shut us back down and had a very comfortable last 10 / 15 minutes.

When so many of our fans only attend matches at Sixfields and haven't seen our recent away improvements how many season tickets will be renewed on 9 home defeats and a series of diabolical home performances?

 



Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Battery Man on February 14, 2018, 14:20:01 pm
In my opinion JFH is still unsure of his best team and all the time he is worrying about the opposition he is never going to find it. He needs to settle on a way of playing and a team to play that way with back up players in each of the roles. That way the team will gel more quickly and we will start to see vast improvements on the pitch. If we then lose someone through injury we don't have to change things around to accomodate whoeer comes on. On paper we have a very strong squad, we just need them to be confident in the way they need to play no matter who the opposition is.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 14, 2018, 14:32:30 pm
Fundamentally, he's been financially backed like no other manager in our history and can have no excuses if he does not succeed. If we go down he'll have to go and he could not complain if he did.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 14, 2018, 14:38:13 pm
I wish he was sure of our best 11, then we could stick to it. But we're never going to have a best 11 when he's making 2/3/4 changes per game.

Is he a manager who would get a DVD through the post of our upcoming oppositions last game, get the squad together to watch the DVD and then look at the strengths of the opposition and primarily look to counter that.

Whereas, with the squad he has at his disposal he should be looking at the DVD, identifying weaknesses and going after them.

He's too negative IMO......

Plus...the whole "wait till he's got his own players" thing......well didn't he bring in 9 newbies?  He only started three of them last night (O'Donnell, Bunney, Turnbull) with another three brought on as subs (Perreira, Ariyibi, Mathis) with 3 more (Facey, Bridge and van Veen) not featuring at all.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Battery Man on February 14, 2018, 14:41:20 pm
To be fair to him of the 3 that didn't feature, 2 of them were out injured. But yes he does now have his own squad and I would hope he will start to play a settled team. I am a great believer in play to your strengths and let the opposition worry about you not the other way round.
Time will tell if JFH is the right man, I hope he is but still not sure.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Wolvo on February 14, 2018, 14:45:04 pm

Plus...the whole "wait till he's got his own players" thing......well didn't he bring in 9 newbies?  He only started three of them last night (O'Donnell, Bunney, Turnbull) with another three brought on as subs (Perreira, Ariyibi, Mathis) with 3 more (Facey, Bridge and van Veen) not featuring at all.

So every new player (who is fit and available) played, except Bridge?

JFH is a monster.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: MKMal on February 14, 2018, 15:06:21 pm
I don't believe Crooks was injured or he wouldn't have been on the bench. I think JFH was protecting him from the card trigger happy referee who sent him off earlier in the season


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 14, 2018, 15:12:19 pm
                   HA. HA HA. VERY GOOD.
Ahh there you are Baldy's been worried sick..


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 14, 2018, 15:15:47 pm
I don't believe Crooks was injured or he wouldn't have been on the bench. I think JFH was protecting him from the card trigger happy referee who sent him off earlier in the season

Shame he didn't leave Pereira on the bench as well then.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 14, 2018, 15:22:04 pm
I wish he was sure of our best 11, then we could stick to it. But we're never going to have a best 11 when he's making 2/3/4 changes per game.

Is he a manager who would get a DVD through the post of our upcoming oppositions last game, get the squad together to watch the DVD and then look at the strengths of the opposition and primarily look to counter that.

Whereas, with the squad he has at his disposal he should be looking at the DVD, identifying weaknesses and going after them.

He's too negative IMO......


I have to agree with this, sets his teams up to stop the opposition firstly. CW, however was the complete opposite to this - go for it and let them try to find a way to stop us. I know which management style I prefer.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: everbrite on February 14, 2018, 15:27:59 pm
You only have to read Lovells comments from his post match interview to see the difference between the managers.

He "knew" we'd only play one up front so switched to a back 3....no point in having a full back there he said. Therefore he loaded the midfield and won the battle.


Since when do we play great emphasis on hindsight comments from an opposing manager? He "knew" how we would play; well the experts didn't for start. It was only fairly late on did we learn of Crooks and KvV injuries. Even so, Crooks appeared on the bench - kidology perhaps. The likelihood is that Lovell may well guess that Long would be up front, but that is !guesswork'.Furthermore, did Lovell know that JJOT would play in a withdrawn role?  However, I do agree that in this instance that JFH got tactics and selection badly wrong.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on February 14, 2018, 15:40:32 pm
 However, I do agree that in this instance that JJOT got tactics and selection badly wrong.

Did anyone else realise that JJOT was now player-manager?


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 14, 2018, 15:41:31 pm
Jimmy and his constant tinkering is beyond me. I got shot down when I mentioned this at the start of his time here but now most are saying the same thing.

You can be sure, come Saturday, once again there will be at least 2 or 3 changes. The players must wonder what the hell is going on. He is too set on playing one up front, Mathis came on and where was he playing? Behind the front man in more of a midfield role, I felt sorry for the lad.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 14, 2018, 16:34:01 pm
Since when do we play great emphasis on hindsight comments from an opposing manager? He "knew" how we would play; well the experts didn't for start. It was only fairly late on did we learn of Crooks and KvV injuries. Even so, Crooks appeared on the bench - kidology perhaps. The likelihood is that Lovell may well guess that Long would be up front, but that is !guesswork'.Furthermore, did Lovell know that JJOT would play in a withdrawn role?  However, I do agree that in this instance that JJOT got tactics and selection badly wrong.

We've played 1 up top for the last umpteen games, usually to great effect in a 4-4-1-1. Whether KVV or Long played is academic.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 14, 2018, 16:47:09 pm
 However, I do agree that in this instance that JJOT got tactics and selection badly wrong.
  ;D Fud


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 14, 2018, 16:49:04 pm
Did anyone else realise that JJOT was now player-manager?

 ;D


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 14, 2018, 16:50:12 pm
The one up front thing to me is weird. The Longmeister and KVV are both decent give them a chance to form a partnership.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: cj on February 14, 2018, 17:06:29 pm
So every new player (who is fit and available) played, except Bridge?

JFH is a monster.
Which begs the question.
Why did JFH put an 'injured' midfielder on the bench and leave 'one of his own' midfielders out of the eighteen?
And if Crooks isn't injured, why didn't he play him from the off, or bring him on after 15 mins when it became apparent we were being overrun?



Title: Re: J F H
Post by: bungle on February 14, 2018, 18:12:59 pm
We've played 1 up top for the last umpteen games, usually to great effect in a 4-4-1-1.

This. Those railing against playing one up front seem to forget that everyone from Barcelona to Man City have been doing this for years. Even the great Chrissy Wilder played one up front for the majority of our title winning season. Face it: we would have lost yesterday if we'd played 4-4-2, probably by a greater margin.

As others have said, last night exposed two issues:

1. Tinkering
2. Lack of a genuine defensive midfielder

The more extreme voices on here seem to be forgetting that we've got 10 points from the last six games, which puts us 7th in the form table. JFH appears to have stumbled on a successful system: 4-4-1-1 with JJOT behind the striker working as an unorthodox target man/number 10.

The problem yesterday is that with Crooks out he had so little faith in his other options in central midfield that he decided to move JJOT back there, and in the process compromised the whole system.

As others have said, he needs to stick to the successful system, make like-for-like swaps wherever possible and figure out a way to play against 3-5-2.

We all know that Bunney is decent going forward but vulnerable defensively. It's worth having him in the team for his crossing alone - he's already got a few assists for us, including the penalty at AFCW. What needs to happen is for a genuine defensive midfielder like McWilliams to be played so that he can cover the gaps left by Bunney's forward runs.

JFH has made mistakes, but he's not nearly as bad as some of the knee jerkers on here would have you believe.




Title: Re: J F H
Post by: AlistairSlowe on February 14, 2018, 18:14:40 pm
McWilliams is a very very odd situation. Can't get on the pitch!


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 14, 2018, 18:53:58 pm
He clearly doesn't trust some of the players at his disposal, a bit of a worry when he's just signed nine!

As others have said, if you have an injury DO NOT upset a winning formula. Either Sam Foley or Shaun McWilliams should have slotted in for Matt Crooks.   


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: defender on February 15, 2018, 08:10:34 am

  Can we PLEASE GET A MANAGER WHO CAN GET US TOL DEFEND! IF YOU CAN STOP TEAMS SCORING, YOU ONLY NEED ONE GOAL TO WIN.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: SteveRiches on February 15, 2018, 09:37:19 am
In news today he bemoans the lack of consistency of his players - but he's the one constantly tinkering with tactics and who he plays where! He really does need to seek help.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: cobblerwatch on February 15, 2018, 09:42:45 am
McWilliams is a very very odd situation. Can't get on the pitch!

Couldn't agree more - young lad with bags of talent & needs to be playing


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: everbrite on February 15, 2018, 10:13:14 am
Shame he didn't leave Pereira on the bench as well then.

Berto will turn games for us - he wasnít so far off last Tuesday!


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Baldy on February 15, 2018, 10:35:41 am
  Can we PLEASE GET A MANAGER WHO CAN GET US TOL DEFEND! IF YOU CAN STOP TEAMS SCORING, YOU ONLY NEED ONE GOAL TO WIN.
defender!!!! We've been worried sick!


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 15, 2018, 15:30:22 pm
Berto will turn games for us - he wasnít so far off last Tuesday!

I was referring to the fact that he was sent off.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Irchy cob on February 15, 2018, 15:47:34 pm
Nice to see that Jimmy is blaming everyone but himself for Tuesdayís abomination - both the players and supporters seem to be getting the brunt whereas nothing is being said about the tactical naivety that contributed greatly to the performance and defeat.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 15, 2018, 17:14:16 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/tinkering-too-much-cobblers-boss-hasselbaink-says-he-should-have-made-more-changes-for-gills-clash-1-8380222


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 15, 2018, 17:40:17 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/tinkering-too-much-cobblers-boss-hasselbaink-says-he-should-have-made-more-changes-for-gills-clash-1-8380222

This is what's worrying he seems oblivious to it being a problem. When crooks was not fit the obvious thing would be to straight swap for Mcwilliams but he dosent recognise this instead in moving o toole changes the whole set up.

Really worrying this for me, almost on a worrying level with page and Edinburgh. We all of the ground can see it, but he can't questions have to start being asked


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: cj on February 15, 2018, 18:26:16 pm
So if I've read that correctly, Jimmy thinks he kept things more or less as they were on tuesday from the Wombles game because he went with his heart, thinking they did so well that they deserved another opportunity, when in his head and with hindsight, he now realises he should have made wholesale changes from the Wombles game.
Not sure too many are gonna agree with that.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: alton on February 15, 2018, 18:29:36 pm
With Crookes injured, putting JJOT in a position he's played virtually all his career with The Cobblers makes perfect sense to me.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 15, 2018, 19:16:24 pm
With Crookes injured, putting JJOT in a position he's played virtually all his career with The Cobblers makes perfect sense to me.

When he's been so good and league 1 player of the month playing further up the pitch and scoring goals!!

Ontop of this you have a natural replacement for crooks sitting waiting for game time in Mcwilliams


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Irchy cob on February 15, 2018, 19:29:37 pm
I havenít got any issues with the lineups he selects - itís his prerogative and he sees them in training every day after all - itís the almost complete lack of ability to react effectively to adversity during games that worries me. What was stopping him from just switching jjot and foley after 20 odd minutes when it was quite clear that we were getting stuffed?


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: alton on February 15, 2018, 19:30:15 pm
When he's been so good and league 1 player of the month playing further up the pitch and scoring goals!!

Ontop of this you have a natural replacement for crooks sitting waiting for game time in Mcwilliams

What was wrong when he played as a defensive midfielder - was that a massive mistake by Wilder? We all love McWilliams but none of us know if he would have been ready and able to play Crook's role.
Hindsight is great but I'm going to give the benefit to JFH for his selection.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Mr. 6fields Owl on February 15, 2018, 19:35:12 pm
With Crookes injured, putting JJOT in a position he's played virtually all his career with The Cobblers makes perfect sense to me.
Sorry Alton, not if it meant playing Foley off Long. He should have started Foley or McWilliams in place of Crooks.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 15, 2018, 19:53:53 pm
What was wrong when he played as a defensive midfielder - was that a massive mistake by Wilder? We all love McWilliams but none of us know if he would have been ready and able to play Crook's role.
Hindsight is great but I'm going to give the benefit to JFH for his selection.

I'm not saying it right or wrong mate, but with the options avaliable and given how well o toole has been playing I would have played Mcwilliams  (1st option), (Foley 2nd option) in that holding position before sacraficing jj from just behind long. That is just my opinion.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Oversees on February 15, 2018, 20:34:43 pm
All is good.  Respectable finish this season.  Big clear-out come the summer, and start again next season.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: alton on February 15, 2018, 22:08:38 pm
I'm not saying it right or wrong mate, but with the options avaliable and given how well o toole has been playing I would have played Mcwilliams  (1st option), (Foley 2nd option) in that holding position before sacraficing jj from just behind long. That is just my opinion.

But when did McWilliams last start a game for us?
We were overrun in the first 20+ minutes by a team where everything went right for them and I'm not sure any tinkering with personnel would have changed that. It happens in football, enjoy it when it's us but don't crucify the manager when it happens to us.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Brexitknight on February 15, 2018, 22:23:29 pm
Things went right for them because we stood off them let them play and they were better than us simple as that saying it happens is only because we let it, the clueless jfh did'nt jnow what to do hence constantly  moving playets to no effect.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: everbrite on February 15, 2018, 22:25:51 pm
This is what's worrying he seems oblivious to it being a problem. When crooks was not fit the obvious thing would be to straight swap for Mcwilliams but he dosent recognise this instead in moving o toole changes the whole set up.

Really worrying this for me, almost on a worrying level with page and Edinburgh. We all of the ground can see it, but he can't questions have to start being asked


Thats three flipping worries in short message  - you appear to be a worrier!


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: everbrite on February 15, 2018, 22:28:56 pm
What was wrong when he played as a defensive midfielder - was that a massive mistake by Wilder? We all love McWilliams but none of us know if he would have been ready and able to play Crook's role.
Hindsight is great but I'm going to give the benefit to JFH for his selection.

+ So do I , I like JFH in any case.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: defender on February 16, 2018, 07:38:22 am
Ahh there you are Baldy's been worried sick..

       I'm soirry  have beenb so absent. my computer has been playing up. Mind you iot is very old, I think HENRY THE THE 8TH USED IT TO FIND HIS NEXT WIFE.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: cobblertone on February 16, 2018, 08:15:01 am
+ So do I , I like JFH in any case.

I like him but popularity doesn't win points. He has certainly had more slack and backing than any previous Cobblers manager in my lifetime. One of the benefits of being a famous top ex-player I guess, at a time we are prepared to splash the cash.
People talk about giving managers time...he needs to take note and give some players time! A symptom of having such a large squad is definitely the ability to tinker, whether needed or not. He's had his roll of the dice, so hopefully we can regain our recent better form and forget the two home horrors.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Wolvo on February 16, 2018, 09:16:30 am
I'm not saying it right or wrong mate, but with the options avaliable and given how well o toole has been playing I would have played Mcwilliams  (1st option), (Foley 2nd option) in that holding position before sacraficing jj from just behind long. That is just my opinion.

I know it's a game of opinions, but I'd be interested to see why you'd play Foley in the middle ahead of O'Toole? O'Toole was in League 2 team of the year in this position, and probably our star player in the same position last season.

Foley has looked far too lightweight for me in the middle. Seems to lose most 50/50s, poor positional play and doesn't offer much in ability. I personally think his work rate and stamina is definitely better appreciated offering balance on the wing.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on February 16, 2018, 09:29:48 am
Gillingham are a much better side than Wimbledon and that showed on Tuesday. However, as Gills manager said post match he knew exactly how we would be set up (JFH very predictable if his formations?) and they took full advantage. We were murdered in the first half and it could easily have been 0-4 at the break.  It was obvious to us in the stands within the first 10 minutes that our line up was wrong and critical to that we need JJOT in the hole where he can challenge and win balls, lay the ball off and make runs into the penalty area.  JJOT for all his attributes is not the quickest and playing in a defensive midfield role against fast physically strong Gills front men he struggled badly. He was not the only one but JJOT is our key player.  JFH should have reacted quickly and moved JJOT into the hole and either put Foley there or brought on McWilliams in place of Foley. It was poor management.  Add to that having Crooks sitting on the bench when he was said to be injured was a complete waste of time. Buchanan should have been available to replace Bunney who had a terrible match.  Again, poor management.

I want JFH to do well but I have to comment that so far not so good is something on an understatement.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 16, 2018, 10:00:34 am
I know it's a game of opinions, but I'd be interested to see why you'd play Foley in the middle ahead of O'Toole? O'Toole was in League 2 team of the year in this position, and probably our star player in the same position last season.
Foley has looked far too lightweight for me in the middle. Seems to lose most 50/50s, poor positional play and doesn't offer much in ability. I personally think his work rate and stamina is definitely better appreciated offering balance on the wing.

For me it is not playing Foley ahead of JJOT, but JJOT has been so outstanding in behind Long (winning player of the month) that we should keep him there. Also, he hasn't played in the middle of the park for a long time now, still doesn't look 100% fit to me and it showed against the Gills midfield when he was put in there.

Foley has a much higher work rate and is not afraid to get stuck in either, so should be ideally suited. I for one would rather see McWilliams played in the middle though.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on February 16, 2018, 10:12:20 am
At it again I see, Everbrite. I want to see JFH do well but it doesn't follow that he is doing well.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: everbrite on February 16, 2018, 10:32:21 am
At it again I see, Everbrite. I want to see JFH do well but it doesn't follow that he is doing well.

I know itís all about opinions, but why donít you just get off his back. You are constantly Ďat it again Ď with JFH.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on February 16, 2018, 10:45:28 am
Absolute rubbish, Everbrite. Why you set yourself up on this site as a modern day Praetorian Guard for NTFC/JFH I don't know but football is a matter of opinions and best you learn to live with these things. Not much point in this site otherwise.  I am sure JFH has broad shoulders.

My opinions are just that.  Look at this thread on JFH and you will find plenty of others expressing a similar point of view. 


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: AlistairSlowe on February 16, 2018, 11:32:01 am
It's also the beauty of a football forum, difference in opinions and healthy discussions.

It would be different if Vintage was at games chanting at JFH constantly.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Quintonside on February 16, 2018, 11:51:05 am
What i find amusing is he gets berated for changing the team and not playing crooks.

at the same time we had a thread running, saying who should we drop Grimes or Crooks?

I listened to his reasoning for dropping JJOT back in there, and i agree he probably is the best player to play in that deep role in Crooks' place.  Were the problem lies is that although that is the case, McWilliams/poole/foley in the deep role,  is a better option than foley in the 10 role. 

I don't mind him changing the team week to week, because with the exception of JJOT and Taylor, no one seems to be able to string together two good performance in a row.

My issue is..

decide where Foley's best position is and play him there or don't play him at all. same with Hoskins


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Wolvo on February 16, 2018, 12:10:22 pm
What i find amusing is he gets berated for changing the team and not playing crooks.

at the same time we had a thread running, saying who should we drop Grimes or Crooks?

I listened to his reasoning for dropping JJOT back in there, and i agree he probably is the best player to play in that deep role in Crooks' place.  Were the problem lies is that although that is the case, McWilliams/poole/foley in the deep role,  is a better option than foley in the 10 role. 

Interesting points. Especially considering we didn't concede once we moved Foley away from the central position, and actually took the game to them (albeit, briefly) once Hilda took the no. 10 position.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: everbrite on February 16, 2018, 12:30:33 pm
Absolute rubbish, Everbrite. Why you set yourself up on this site as a modern day Praetorian Guard for NTFC/JFH I don't know but football is a matter of opinions and best you learn to live with these things. Not much point in this site otherwise.  I am sure JFH has broad shoulders.

My opinions are just that.  Look at this thread on JFH and you will find plenty of others expressing a similar point of view. 

The trouble is that anybody who dares to criticise your opinion of JFH you fly into a rage throwing false accusations into the bargain. You are clearly the one who cannot abide any opinion other than your own on JFH.
I donít do mob rule which you appear to rely on.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on February 16, 2018, 13:53:32 pm
What are you talking about "mob rule", Everbrite? This is a forum for opinions and within the bounds of not being libellous views can and should be freely expressed.  If I recall, about 2,000 of our home support were voicing an opinion at half-time on Tuesday on what they has seen which makes the comments on here very tame.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 16, 2018, 14:16:23 pm
I know it's a game of opinions, but I'd be interested to see why you'd play Foley in the middle ahead of O'Toole? O'Toole was in League 2 team of the year in this position, and probably our star player in the same position last season.

Foley has looked far too lightweight for me in the middle. Seems to lose most 50/50s, poor positional play and doesn't offer much in ability. I personally think his work rate and stamina is definitely better appreciated offering balance on the wing.

Really just to keep o toole where he has been playing and is most effective in my opinion. To be honest him playing just behind the front man has been the biggest cog in making us work of the last few weeks. I'd have played Poole holding if it meant leaving j j where he was.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 16, 2018, 14:18:21 pm
For me it is not playing Foley ahead of JJOT, but JJOT has been so outstanding in behind Long (winning player of the month) that we should keep him there. Also, he hasn't played in the middle of the park for a long time now, still doesn't look 100% fit to me and it showed against the Gills midfield when he was put in there.

Foley has a much higher work rate and is not afraid to get stuck in either, so should be ideally suited. I for one would rather see McWilliams played in the middle though.

What I was trying to say but put far better


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 16, 2018, 14:19:57 pm
I know itís all about opinions, but why donít you just get off his back. You are constantly Ďat it again Ď with JFH.

Maybe just because he deserves some criticism nevers!!


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: everbrite on February 16, 2018, 15:17:57 pm
What are you talking about "mob rule", Everbrite? This is a forum for opinions and within the bounds of not being libellous views can and should be freely expressed.  If I recall, about 2,000 of our home support were voicing an opinion at half-time on Tuesday on what they has seen which makes the comments on here very tame.

Mob rule used as an adjective:  :) You do get het up quickly!


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: everbrite on February 16, 2018, 15:26:52 pm
Really just to keep o toole where he has been playing and is most effective in my opinion. To be honest him playing just behind the front man has been the biggest cog in making us work of the last few weeks. I'd have played Poole holding if it meant leaving j j where he was.

Poole was not available apparently. You appear to comment in the past tense? If so your suggestion may not be relevant. Might be ok on Saturday?


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: everbrite on February 16, 2018, 15:33:04 pm
Maybe just because he deserves some criticism nevers!!

Of course he does after last Tuesday! I prefer not go out of my way in criticizing him at every convenient opportunity.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on February 16, 2018, 15:42:43 pm
Not het up at all Everbrite. But let's just leave our little tiff with an acceptance that this is now JFH's side and he will be be judged accordingly.  I would only add that Facey looks to be an excellent signing and I think it fair to say the jury is out on the rest, although I am hopeful about van Vaan.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Quintonside on February 16, 2018, 15:59:12 pm
Because KVV was injured he had to put Mathis on bench, which meant another loan player had to miss out. As Barnett is fit, Poole missed out.  Was that not the reason?

No issue this week as Berto is suspended


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: barton cobbler on February 16, 2018, 16:08:45 pm
Surely, if he's not in the team, Poole should be on the bench every time, he's a much better player than Barnett and can also play at full back and in midfield, so he is effectively covering 3 positions.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 17, 2018, 10:14:13 am
Not het up at all Everbrite. But let's just leave our little tiff with an acceptance that this is now JFH's side and he will be be judged accordingly.  I would only add that Facey looks to be an excellent signing and I think it fair to say the jury is out on the rest, although I am hopeful about van Vaan.
Itís early yet but I would question whether JFH recruitment is any better than JEDís.
Some of JEDís signings have been very good - Taylor , Ingram , Grimes , Crooks (?) Long, Pierre ((?). In amongst a few duds .
Letís see how the likes of Bunney , Mathis , Berto and Turnbull compare . Facey looks decent though and Van Veen is a proven performer . McGugan has already failed .


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 17, 2018, 10:32:01 am
It’s early yet but I would question whether JFH recruitment is any better than JED’s.
Some of JED’s signings have been very good - Taylor , Ingram , Grimes , Crooks (?) Long, Pierre ((?). In amongst a few duds .
Let’s see how the likes of Bunney , Mathis , Berto and Turnbull compare . Facey looks decent though and Van Veen is a proven performer . McGugan has already failed .


 ;D


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 18, 2018, 09:45:27 am
Bunney was poor again against Scunny . He was pushed back and didnít get forward once . He was slightly ezxposed with Ariyibi in front of him and up against Holmes who is a quality player .
Cross after cross came in from their right .
Serious question marks over Bunney and Turnbull for me .
Turnbull just doesnít look strong enough and blunders .
Iím not sure about some of these January dealings and Iím saying it now .
Berto also looks questionable to me and Mathis is not in any way a challenge to Long .


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 18, 2018, 13:09:05 pm
Id be looking to play the same back 4 as we did at Blackburn and Bradford as soon as is possible again..ÖTurnbull (lb),Poole, Taylor and Facey. We looked solid at the back (Blackburn), more so than in any recent times.

I can't help but think that teams are targeting Bunney, defensively he's a massive weak link and was so bad on Tuesday night Im surprised that JFH didn't drop him or move him further forward like he did at Blackburn.

What we are saying is precisely what the bulk of the Rochdale fans said on social media when we bought him. Good going forward but terrible defensively! I thought that when we played MK..wingers just walk past him! And his positional sense is shocking as well.

We are back to shipping in 2 goals a game or when we don't its because we've got lucky. Wimbledon aside, we've been heavily relying on our goal keeper and poor finishing from the opposition.

Id also like to see Keen played in John Joe's position, with the great man dropping back a bit. But until Keen is fit then that cannot happen! (like it did v Gillingham).



Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Irchy cob on February 18, 2018, 15:11:59 pm
Id be looking to play the same back 4 as we did at Blackburn and Bradford as soon as is possible again..ÖTurnbull (lb),Poole, Taylor and Facey. We looked solid at the back (Blackburn), more so than in any recent times.

I can't help but think that teams are targeting Bunney, defensively he's a massive weak link and was so bad on Tuesday night Im surprised that JFH didn't drop him or move him further forward like he did at Blackburn.

What we are saying is precisely what the bulk of the Rochdale fans said on social media when we bought him. Good going forward but terrible defensively! I thought that when we played MK..wingers just walk past him! And his positional sense is shocking as well.

We are back to shipping in 2 goals a game or when we don't its because we've got lucky. Wimbledon aside, we've been heavily relying on our goal keeper and poor finishing from the opposition.

Id also like to see Keen played in John Joe's position, with the great man dropping back a bit. But until Keen is fit then that cannot happen! (like it did v Gillingham).


I agree with this, especially for away games it would make us a lot more secure defensively - of course itís all dependant on the fitness/availability of Poole. For home games where the onus is on us to attack/break down the opposition Jimmyís going to have to come up with an effective method pretty sharpish.  Itíll be interesting to see if oxford set up like Rochdale and Gillingham did - in fact Iíd be amazed if they donít provided theyíve scouted us properly. Itís getting to the point where Iíd suggest Buchanan getting a recall wouldnít be a bad idea given Bunneyís struggles but as Bunney is a JFH signing I canít see that happening.


Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 18, 2018, 15:14:58 pm

Id also like to see Keen played in John Joe's position, with the great man dropping back a bit. But until Keen is fit then that cannot happen! (like it did v Gillingham).


Keen? You mean Van Veen.

Also, why would you push JJOT back into midfield when he's been so effective further forward? Just don't understand that.



Title: Re: J F H
Post by: Irchy cob on February 18, 2018, 15:34:18 pm
Keen? You mean Van Veen.

Also, why would you push JJOT back into midfield when he's been so effective further forward? Just don't understand that.


Iíd echo that - itís a case of if it ainít broken it doesnít need fixing, the case in point being gillingham. My only concern is that the temptation is there - when everyone is fit - for jimmy to try and shoehorn players in when heíd be better off selecting a balanced team.