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The Hotel End => Cobblers Corner => Topic started by: NTFC Nut on April 28, 2018, 15:57:43 pm



Title: Kevin van Veen
Post by: NTFC Nut on April 28, 2018, 15:57:43 pm
Can we get this lazy feckless wanker on the transfer list tonight please? Think I could have contributed more in that last 10 minutes. His continual flopping about like a dying salmon when competing for headers, and casually wandering round the pitch like a lost child, typified what has gone wrong for us this season. Not a lack of quality but a lack of application.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: NorthernCobbler78 on April 28, 2018, 16:03:36 pm
Substitutions totally to blame for that defeat...fresh legs were needed yes but didn’t need that change. Players on the bench like Foley who has worked hard every game and could have done a much better job coming on today.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 28, 2018, 16:05:00 pm
Substitutions totally to blame for that defeat...fresh legs were needed yes but didn’t need that change. Players on the bench like Foley who has worked hard every game and could have done a much better job coming on today.

Correct subs imo we needed to win and pushed for it


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: NTFC Nut on April 28, 2018, 16:07:36 pm
Well I agree with 78...I'd have rather had Foley on. That would have actually been a more positive change rather than willingly going down to 10 men.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: threeinabed on April 28, 2018, 16:08:25 pm
Correct subs imo we needed to win and pushed for it

Draw would've been enough to take it to next week so stop talking s***


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dr Feelgood on April 28, 2018, 16:29:27 pm
Correct subs imo we needed to win and pushed for it
Disagree mate there was a gap in midfield when McWilliams and Crooks came off Crooks was playing great. I would have brought on Foley and Long for Hoskins and McWilliams. KVV is rubbish and should have stayed on the bench.

As someone mentioned as draw wouldn't have been the end of the world.





Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on April 28, 2018, 16:47:39 pm
Can we get this lazy feckless **** on the transfer list tonight please? Think I could have contributed more in that last 10 minutes. His continual flopping about like a dying salmon when competing for headers, and casually wandering round the pitch like a lost child, typified what has gone wrong for us this season. Not a lack of quality but a lack of application.

Well I was there and we should have got a draw. In hindsight the subs were flawed. Would have kept Crooks and Foley for McWilliams. vV when on never had a chance; except one half chance! Hoskins for all his running never had a shot on goal(AFAIK). We missed at least two good chances.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 28, 2018, 16:57:43 pm
Well I was there and we should have got a draw. In hindsight the subs were flawed. Would have kept Crooks and Foley for McWilliams. vV when on never had a chance; except one half chance! Hoskins for all his running never had a shot on goal(AFAIK). We missed at least two good chances.

Disagree, we needed to go for it today. Imagine the outcry had we settled for a point today, beat oldham and still gone down (which is likely to gave happen if rochdale and walsall equal/ better our results and remember walsall have a game in hand)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BackOfTheNet on April 28, 2018, 17:02:45 pm
 To be fair, I think Van Veen is a decent player and (like many people) I was pleased when we signed him. Granted, he's been absolutely s*** in every appearance for us so far but it seems he has been carrying a knock for that time. Either way, he's only been here for a short time and he's likely to be a key player for us next season, so let's not make him a scapegoat for this whole, sorry car crash of a season.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: threeinabed on April 28, 2018, 17:14:22 pm
Disagree, we needed to go for it today. Imagine the outcry had we settled for a point today, beat oldham and still gone down (which is likely to gave happen if rochdale and walsall equal/ better our results and remember walsall have a game in hand)

There is absolutely no basis for your argument.

The fact is we are now down because we lost.

Had we drawn the game we wouldn't be down.

You are talking absolute rubbish.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: EssTeeFree on April 28, 2018, 17:16:23 pm
Disagree, we needed to go for it today. Imagine the outcry had we settled for a point today, beat oldham and still gone down (which is likely to gave happen if rochdale and walsall equal/ better our results and remember walsall have a game in hand)

Changing shape was a mistake, we could have gone more attacking without doing that. Long for McWilliams for example JJ back into midfield. Crooks coming off was also a mistake, he was troubling them. That all said I kind of understand why he did what he did but it felt a bit naive.

What I don’t understand was, after changing shape and us being under the cosh he chucked Taylor upfront. That’s the sort of move you do when you are down if you don’t score. It’s poor game/situation management and it’s a black mark against Austin.



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Clint on April 28, 2018, 17:17:44 pm
To be fair, I think Van Veen is a decent player and (like many people) I was pleased when we signed him. Granted, he's been absolutely **** in every appearance for us so far but it seems he has been carrying a knock for that time. Either way, he's only been here for a short time and he's likely to be a key player for us next season, so let's not make him a scapegoat for this whole, sorry car crash of a season.
Can't you see how useless this bloke is? He really is not fit to wear the shirt and probably one of the worst players I have ever seen since Leon bloody Constantine. When Van Veen came on it was like going down to ten men. Absolute rubbish.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on April 28, 2018, 17:28:00 pm
Can't you see how useless this bloke is? He really is not fit to wear the shirt and probably one of the worst players I have ever seen since Leon bloody Constantine. When Van Veen came on it was like going down to ten men. Absolute rubbish.

Disagree - vV is a decent footballer and is a proven goal scorer at lower league level. Personally thought that Long was worse today.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BackOfTheNet on April 28, 2018, 17:28:31 pm
Can't you see how useless this bloke is? He really is not fit to wear the shirt and probably one of the worst players I have ever seen since Leon bloody Constantine. When Van Veen came on it was like going down to ten men. Absolute rubbish.

We'll see.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 28, 2018, 17:34:22 pm
There is absolutely no basis for your argument.

The fact is we are now down because we lost.

Had we drawn the game we wouldn't be down.

You are talking absolute rubbish.

No we would have delayed it till next week. By going for the 3 points we were attempting to give ourselves a chance next weekend.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: EssTeeFree on April 28, 2018, 17:40:01 pm
No we would have delayed it till next week. By going for the 3 points we were attempting to give ourselves a chance next weekend.

If we win next week and go down on goal difference will you still feel the same?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 28, 2018, 17:46:04 pm
If we win next week and go down on goal difference will you still feel the same?

Yep because that won't happen. Rochdale will pick up at least a point next week. We were always going to need to take 6 points from these last two games regardless to give ourselves a chance.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: EssTeeFree on April 28, 2018, 17:50:16 pm
Yep because that won't happen. Rochdale will pick up at least a point next week. We were always going to need to take 6 points from these last two games regardless to give ourselves a chance.

You may be right, we’ll find out next week. Personally I’d rather have the chance of staying up on the last day than be relegated a week earlier. Don’t forget a win today wouldn’t have guaranteed us anything.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 28, 2018, 17:54:25 pm
You may be right, we’ll find out next week. Personally I’d rather have the chance of staying up on the last day than be relegated a week earlier. Don’t forget a win today wouldn’t have guaranteed us anything.

No, but it would have given us a much better opportunity next week as well as keeping walsall in the mix. Also don't forget rochdale were heading for a point today too till very late on. It's just my opinion but I'd have gone for it today too. Maybe hoskins should have made way rather than Mcwilliams or crooks tho.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dr Feelgood on April 28, 2018, 18:09:01 pm
Disagree - vV is a decent footballer 
(https://media.giphy.com/media/I4Jmrcjnr8Zfq/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Razor on April 28, 2018, 18:42:26 pm
Either way, he's only been here for a short time and he's likely to be a key player for us next season

Hahahahaha.

If he can't be arsed to play for us in League One what makes you think he can be arsed to play for us in League Two?

You must be on a wind up. I'd rather pay for his flight back to the Netherlands than watch him play another minute in a Cobblers shirt.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 28, 2018, 18:58:50 pm
Disagree - vV is a decent footballer and is a proven goal scorer at lower league level. Personally thought that Long was worse today.

VV is a decent footballer you say.

Hes earning at least 3 or 4 grand a week, maybe a lot more. He's been here 3 months. He's not scored a single goal or even come close to scoring a goal. I don't believe he's set a goal up. He bottles challenges, he never wins headers and he wished both teams luck when we played his old club.

He's a grade A w@nker. I couldn't believe we brought him on to try and get a goal. But fair enough, football is subjective I suppose. If you believe him to be a decent footballer then Id argue that makes it even worse that he hasn't bloody tried since he's come here!

The saving grace of relegation is that I believe him to be one of the players with a clause in his contract. Im assuming this, I may be wrong. But If Im right then we can effectively get shot at no cost to us come the end of the Season. He's the first player we need to get shot of, we cannot afford him and we certainly won't be able to offload him to another club given the wages he's on if a clause isn't in place!

He's got to be quite literally the worst signing we've made in the last 30 years. We actually paid for him FFS! And his wages are without doubt massive!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Carlo Corazzins Corduroy on April 28, 2018, 19:15:58 pm
I don't really buy that there are professional footballers that don't care about relegation. Even if he's on decent money, it's a short career and a poor spell with us could mean he'd struggle to be pick up another league contract afterwards, like many other past players we've released. 

Suspect he hasn't got anywhere near to match fitness since his arrival, and fatigue / low confidence can easily be confused with lack of effort.

Could still be a dud next a season, but I wouldn't be surprised if he came back a completely different player after a full pre-season.  Similar to Langmead's transformation after looking horrendously off the pace in his loan spell.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BackOfTheNet on April 28, 2018, 19:20:20 pm
Hahahahaha.

If he can't be arsed to play for us in League One what makes you think he can be arsed to play for us in League Two?

You must be on a wind up. I'd rather pay for his flight back to the Netherlands than watch him play another minute in a Cobblers shirt.

I'm not on a wind up at all. I recall a national newspaper doing a "cut out and keep" guide to where the goal is and what you do with it for Dennis Bergkamp when he first signed for Arsenal. I'm not for one second equating Van Veen with Bergkamp (despite the shared nationality), but sometimes strikers don't hit the ground running; it doesn't mean they are bad players.
I genuinely rate Van Veen as a good player and, if we can keep hold of him, think that next year he could be the 20 goal a season striker we've been missing.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Razor on April 28, 2018, 19:26:41 pm

I genuinely rate Van Veen as a good player

Based on what exactly?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BackOfTheNet on April 28, 2018, 19:40:24 pm
Based on what exactly?

Performances prior to joining us.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Its_nice_to_michu on April 28, 2018, 19:45:03 pm
we were down before Austin made those subs..... f*** me to win 4 games in a row is and was impossible.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 28, 2018, 20:05:40 pm
VV is a decent footballer you say.

Hes earning at least 3 or 4 grand a week, maybe a lot more. He's been here 3 months. He's not scored a single goal or even come close to scoring a goal. I don't believe he's set a goal up. He bottles challenges, he never wins headers and he wished both teams luck when we played his old club.

He's a grade A w@nker. I couldn't believe we brought him on to try and get a goal. But fair enough, football is subjective I suppose. If you believe him to be a decent footballer then Id argue that makes it even worse that he hasn't bloody tried since he's come here!

The saving grace of relegation is that I believe him to be one of the players with a clause in his contract. Im assuming this, I may be wrong. But If Im right then we can effectively get shot at no cost to us come the end of the Season. He's the first player we need to get shot of, we cannot afford him and we certainly won't be able to offload him to another club given the wages he's on if a clause isn't in place!

He's got to be quite literally the worst signing we've made in the last 30 years. We actually paid for him FFS! And his wages are without doubt massive!

He scored 5 goals in 9 games before coming to us.....and has not looked like scoring a goal in the 10 games he's played for us!! Why does that happen? Why the extremes in form?

That said, his only two goals this season before that run came in games in the Checkatrade against U-21 sides and overall he only scored 23 goals in 116 games for Scunny.....1 in 5, so I don't really get why he was ever so highly rated!!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Another Pedj on April 28, 2018, 20:06:41 pm
Substitutions totally to blame for that defeat...fresh legs were needed yes but didn’t need that change. Players on the bench like Foley who has worked hard every game and could have done a much better job coming on today.

What a load of Cobblers. Yes they didn't work but to say that was the sole reason suggests your head is so far up your Arsenal you need surgery


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: paul thompson is on April 28, 2018, 20:21:18 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aVwK3c3Kac





Steve Howard
Steve Morrison etc etc etc,

stop being an arse......

he is a person trying to do a job,


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 28, 2018, 20:29:28 pm
He scored 5 goals in 9 games before coming to us.....and has not looked like scoring a goal in the 10 games he's played for us!! Why does that happen? Why the extremes in form?

That said, his only two goals this season before that run came in games in the Checkatrade against U-21 sides and overall he only scored 23 goals in 116 games for Scunny.....1 in 5, so I don't really get why he was ever so highly rated!!

When we signed him, I thought rightly or wrongly, that we'd signed a 'target man'. God I couldn't have been more wrong. Injured or not, he has zero ability to bring others into play, hold the ball up etc. He is, quite literally, a not very good finisher! And thats it!

If he's still here in August, taking up a huge percentage of our wage bill, we will *probably go down to the national league. I very much doubt he will be though. Total and utter waste of space!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 28, 2018, 20:32:42 pm
I'm not on a wind up at all. I recall a national newspaper doing a "cut out and keep" guide to where the goal is and what you do with it for Dennis Bergkamp when he first signed for Arsenal. I'm not for one second equating Van Veen with Bergkamp (despite the shared nationality), but sometimes strikers don't hit the ground running; it doesn't mean they are bad players.
I genuinely rate Van Veen as a good player and, if we can keep hold of him, think that next year he could be the 20 goal a season striker we've been missing.

 ;D ;D ;D

I like a lot of your posts mate, so take as intended. I 100% know football opinions are subjective. But when you say 'If we can keep hold of him' I can't stop laughing! The only reason we will keep hold of him is because no other mug will pay him the wages we bloody pay him!  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Another Pedj on April 28, 2018, 20:38:08 pm
He's only a good player if he is interested. At the moment he just displays the attitude of someone who wants to be elsewhere. If so Bye asap


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: super-si on April 28, 2018, 20:41:40 pm
...so I don't really get why he was ever so highly rated!!

Because he is Dutch...as is Lukassen!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: NTFC Nut on April 28, 2018, 20:46:24 pm
To be fair, I think Van Veen is a decent player and (like many people) I was pleased when we signed him. Granted, he's been absolutely **** in every appearance for us so far but it seems he has been carrying a knock for that time. Either way, he's only been here for a short time and he's likely to be a key player for us next season, so let's not make him a scapegoat for this whole, sorry car crash of a season.

Nah f*** him, let's scapegoat the lazy prick. He gets brought on for 10 minutes at the end of a game and if we score, we're on course to stay up, if we concede, we go down. He then produces possibly the most half arsed 10 minute cameo I've ever had the misfortune of witnessing. I really hope he's not a key player for us next season because that'll mean the wage-thieving dickhead is still here. I can cope with players whose ability is limited, but not with those who really can't be bothered.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Patmore on April 28, 2018, 21:41:17 pm
Disagree, we needed to go for it today. Imagine the outcry had we settled for a point today, beat oldham and still gone down (which is likely to gave happen if rochdale and walsall equal/ better our results and remember walsall have a game in hand)

Us beating Oldham and Rochdale losing to Charlton is hardly a ridiculous scenario that could not happen.

And that is completely ignoring the possibility of Walsall losing their last two as a further chance at survival.

I don’t want to slate Austin but it is the most frustrating part for me that we went so kamikaze today without seemingly even considering the above scenario.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3040 on April 28, 2018, 21:46:57 pm
Van veen lazy useless lightweight tosser,


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on April 29, 2018, 06:17:46 am
Whilst we are on the subject of players who don’t really care - did folks notice Grimes totally jib two 50-50 balls and give the ball away dangerously in midfield - undoubtedly a talented player but not one I’d want next to me in the trenches.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2539 on April 29, 2018, 06:32:21 am
Grimes is NOT a defensive midfielder, JFH please note, BUT he is a skillful creative midfielder, which many do not exist. Foley and McWilliams are your holding midfielders not Crooks and Grimes.

It goes back to my comment in August we have good players BUT the manager makes a team........they failed!!!

re Van Bellend, he must show persperation before applying his skill.........he has failed!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 29, 2018, 06:52:42 am
Maybe he is injured to tge point where we haven't actually seen a true him yet?

I might be clutching at straws but the lad scored 6 in 7 for scunny in this very league before joining us, so he must have something about him?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: defender on April 29, 2018, 09:06:03 am
 Boy could we do with another IAN ATKINS, IF YOU CAN' WIN DO NOT LOSE. BUILD THE SQUAD FROM THE BACK.
YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE. COME ON COBBLERS!!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 29, 2018, 12:21:13 pm
When they tell the players what date pre season starts, I wouldn't bother letting this one in on it


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Trickymicky on April 29, 2018, 13:34:49 pm
I am praying Van Veen has an escape clause in his contract that Div 2 let’s him move away, he has to be the most useless non contributor to NTFC since Constantine!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on April 29, 2018, 13:41:44 pm
I am praying Van Veen has an escape clause in his contract that Div 2 let’s him move away, he has to be the most useless non contributor to NTFC since Constantine!

I am glad some of you have established a hate figure!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 29, 2018, 13:44:50 pm
So you think he's been a useful addition then?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on April 29, 2018, 13:52:27 pm
So you think he's been a useful addition then?

He has had a useful goal scoring career. He has been a disappointment for us but I feel there is a player there. How come S’thorpe where disappointed to lose him?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 29, 2018, 13:56:16 pm
Couldn't care less about what he did at Sc***horpe.
The question was do you think he has been a useful addition?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on April 29, 2018, 14:05:29 pm
Couldn't care less about what he did at Sc***horpe.
The question was do you think he has been a useful addition?
Go back to my answer second sentence; he will come good.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 29, 2018, 14:06:40 pm
Go back to my answer second sentence; he will come good.

How do you know this??


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on April 29, 2018, 14:16:07 pm
How do you know this??

I don’t; it’s an opinion that’s all. It’s based on some facts tho’ not personal vendetta’s. If he can score goals for S’thorpe why not us? We have history in bringing in established players who fail here!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 29, 2018, 15:46:16 pm
It isn't a personal vendetta. I just think he's stolen thousands upon thousands in wages since he's been here due to being an absolute gutless waste of space, when he's actually on the pitch that is


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: NTFC Nut on April 29, 2018, 20:10:57 pm
The most passion I've ever seen from that man at Sixfields was his antics in front of the north stand after he scored for Sc***horpe. He's continued to take the piss in front of the Sixfields crowd since he got here, but more in a wage-thieving fashion. I make no apologies for calling out a big-name, doubtlessly well-paid player who treats us with such contempt.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Tabasco Kid on April 29, 2018, 21:01:20 pm
There may well be a decent player there, but I have yet to see it.
Certainly not in the final fifteen minutes on Saturday. He showed no effort or desire, and just lumbered around. I cant believe that we payed cash for him.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on April 29, 2018, 21:54:58 pm
I am telling you now this player is not wanted or liked at the club .
They want him out but he cost £125k and there is no choice .
Sc***horpe couldn’t wait to get rid


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on April 29, 2018, 22:12:51 pm
It looks like Van Veen is currently representing JFH


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on April 30, 2018, 08:29:51 am
I am glad some of you have established a hate figure!

Grow up - it's nothing to do with a hate figure.

Rational supporters make observations on what they see - your tiresome defense of anything claret and irrational accusation on anyone who differs shows remarkably narrow & somewhat immature thinking.

Most observers of our team can intelligently observe the difference between good and not so good players - they also have a pretty good perspective on players that don't give a toss & frankly you would have to be a fairly stupid observer of the game if you didn't put Van Neem in that category - yes of course he may come good, yes of course he may be nursing an injury but most people have seen enough to conclude he does not want to be here & doesn't care.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 30, 2018, 10:14:20 am
Van Veen made it quite clear he didn't want to be here in his interview with BBC Humberside when he left Sc***horpe.

His performances on the pitch have largely suggested that hasn't changed.

Also FWIW he still hasn't changed his Twitter photo to an NTFC-related one...


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: just.reading on April 30, 2018, 10:34:04 am
Van Veen made it quite clear he didn't want to be here in his interview with BBC Humberside when he left Sc***horpe.

His performances on the pitch have largely suggested that hasn't changed.

Also FWIW he still hasn't changed his Twitter photo to an NTFC-related one...

Why did he join us then? I thought Alexander said at the time he did everything he could to keep him.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Mathius on April 30, 2018, 10:53:19 am
As I've said previously, he's very keen to find an exit, which would suit both parties and a lot of the fans.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Turf Claret on April 30, 2018, 11:01:57 am
Grow up - it's nothing to do with a hate figure.

Rational supporters make observations on what they see - your tiresome defense of anything claret and irrational accusation on anyone who differs shows remarkably narrow & somewhat immature thinking.
......

I think you've represented the honest opinion of a lot of fair-minded Cobblers fans there. He will not countenance much (if any) critical appraisal of the players, and reacts unfairly to those with opposing views. The team has let everyone down this year, after being in a position to promise much previously. Yes the club  has been very badly led, but the majority of fans can clearly see the major fault lines. He doesn't for the most part. That's his right I suppose. You have to acknowledge that he's a committed supporter, a blind-faith one. It doesn't excuse one-eyed thinking though. ;)



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on April 30, 2018, 11:32:02 am
Grow up - it's nothing to do with a hate figure.

Rational supporters make observations on what they see - your tiresome defense of anything claret and irrational accusation on anyone who differs shows remarkably narrow & somewhat immature thinking.

Most observers of our team can intelligently observe the difference between good and not so good players - they also have a pretty good perspective on players that don't give a toss & frankly you would have to be a fairly stupid observer of the game if you didn't put Van Neem in that category - yes of course he may come good, yes of course he may be nursing an injury but most people have seen enough to conclude he does not want to be here & doesn't care.

Thanks for composing that reply. You come out with a fair amount of words like immature, intelligence and stupidity. I just happen to think vV may come good. You go on about irrational comments but football forums opinions are often irrational. I also agree with Tabasco Kids  comments on vV which under the circumstances seem relevant, fair and mature comments. Just because you find my comments on vV not to your taste you should at least respect them as I have to yours. If you don’t mind me saying your comments appear to be on a personal level and not a constructive debate  on the merits of vV.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on April 30, 2018, 11:38:21 am
As I've said previously, he's very keen to find an exit, which would suit both parties and a lot of the fans.
This is true .
Sc***horpe wanted rid of him .
He has shown no desire to be here or on the pitch .
We paid £125k and big wages for a waste of space .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on April 30, 2018, 11:42:58 am
This is true .
Sc***horpe wanted rid of him .


I am not sure if this correct!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2487 on April 30, 2018, 12:10:19 pm
This is true .
Sc***horpe wanted rid of him .
He has shown no desire to be here or on the pitch .
We paid £125k and big wages for a waste of space .

Glad to know someone has access to the undisclosed fees.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 30, 2018, 12:17:49 pm
Glad to know someone has access to the undisclosed fees.

Boot and shoe has access to many 'facts' but never confirms their provenance...therefore treat any of his 'facts' as you wish.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on April 30, 2018, 12:26:20 pm
Boot and shoe has access to many 'facts' but never confirms their provenance...therefore treat any of his 'facts' as you wish.
I am not going to reveal sources on here .
Just look at how many things I have said are right and make your decision from that .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 30, 2018, 13:02:05 pm
I am not going to reveal sources on here .
Just look at how many things I have said are right and make your decision from that .


Exactly, but many (some?) have also been incorrect.  ;-)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on April 30, 2018, 13:11:08 pm
Exactly, but many (some?) have also been incorrect.  ;-)
I don’t really care what you think but I assure you my information is well qualified


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on April 30, 2018, 13:20:13 pm
If you don’t mind me saying your comments appear to be on a personal level and not a constructive debate  on the merits of vV.

.....of course I don't mind you saying that because it's what I intended since that is exactly how you respond to comments you don't agree with.

People make valid observations about van neems' performance and attitude - some use wording I would choose not to but they are opinions - your response is  "we need a hate figure" - not really a constructive debate, as is your contribution "I think he will come good" - well I don't but certainly don't need a hate figure to complete my life however I also don't need to see the positive side of everything claret to prove my worth as a supporter.  


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 30, 2018, 13:48:44 pm
I don’t really care what you think but I assure you my information is well qualified

No problem, it would be beneficial if you could highlight those that you believe are true against those that you believe are rumour so that we know which one's you want us to take seriously.  ;)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: threeinabed on April 30, 2018, 14:25:44 pm
I don’t really care what you think but I assure you my information is well qualified

can you tell us who else was in the market for KVV when he (or more likely his agent) decided to come here?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on April 30, 2018, 15:14:06 pm
.....of course I don't mind you saying that because it's what I intended since that is exactly how you respond to comments you don't agree with.

People make valid observations about van neems' performance and attitude - some use wording I would choose not to but they are opinions - your response is  "we need a hate figure" - not really a constructive debate, as is your contribution "I think he will come good" - well I don't but certainly don't need a hate figure to complete my life however I also don't need to see the positive side of everything claret to prove my worth as a supporter.  

I tried to make it a debate on vV; other than that you may have missed the point.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on April 30, 2018, 17:42:51 pm
can you tell us who else was in the market for KVV when he (or more likely his agent) decided to come here?

No , I don’t know that detail but I do know Sc***horpe didn’t want him .
And I do know we paid £125k
He probably came here for the cash and JFH .
The telling factor is if people move nearer to work .... or travel 2 hours to and from ...


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3063 on April 30, 2018, 17:56:15 pm
No , I don’t know that detail but I do know Sc***horpe didn’t want him .
And I do know we paid £125k
He probably came here for the cash and JFH .
The telling factor is if people move nearer to work .... or travel 2 hours to and from ...

Doesn't Buchanan still live in Rochdale?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on April 30, 2018, 18:44:48 pm
Doesn't Buchanan still live in Rochdale?
Fine when you rent


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Mathius on April 30, 2018, 19:25:06 pm
DB lives across the road from Sixfields. He spends most of the week there even though his family are back in Rochdale. That's commitment!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Manwork04 on April 30, 2018, 20:18:49 pm
DB is a top bloke no doubt about that, what made me laugh was he ran over towards me on Saturday with his tough game face on (I was in the home end) and the surprise on his face when I said come on Buchs ! His effort cannot be faulted.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on May 02, 2018, 15:50:28 pm
Van Veen won’t play for this club again in my opinion


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: memyhead on May 02, 2018, 16:22:50 pm
Van Veen won’t play for this club again in my opinion

You mean, he actually has already?!  :o


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on May 03, 2018, 22:52:52 pm
You mean, he actually has already?!  :o
Very true !
He could be a very costly mistake .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3181 on May 03, 2018, 23:59:52 pm
He will score 5 in 4 games at the start of next seson, and then get a "transfer" away to Lincoln City.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest48 on May 04, 2018, 08:45:04 am
He will score 5 in 4 games at the start of next seson, and then get a "transfer" away to Lincoln City.
I can't see the Cowley brothers putting up with a lax attitude.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Monkey on May 05, 2018, 22:16:12 pm
Didn't even bother warming up today. Either no chance of his coming on or too scared to show his face. Hopefully the last we've seen of him as he obviously doesn't want to be here


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 06, 2018, 00:28:04 am
Didn't even bother warming up today. Either no chance of his coming on or too scared to show his face. Hopefully the last we've seen of him as he obviously doesn't want to be here

No worse than some of our supporters who proudly said they had better things to do today! I was hoping he would come on and score a few🙄. You maybe right tho'.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3181 on May 06, 2018, 00:33:04 am
I bet my arrrrrs that he will be declared under the surgeon's knife next week.....   :o :o :o :o :o :o


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Buster on May 06, 2018, 06:51:47 am
He’ll be our top scorer next season and by springtime there’ll be a VV away day where everyone is wearing a ginger beard and singing ‘when it spring again I’ll sing again Van Vein from Amsterdam’


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Welly Cobb on May 06, 2018, 07:07:54 am
O’Toole and Langmead both showed that it’s possible to completely turn your reputation around, if you want to.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 06, 2018, 07:54:22 am
No worse than some of our supporters who proudly said they had better things to do today! I was hoping he would come on and score a few🙄. You maybe right tho'.
Thought 6,500 was an excellent attendance considering!
Had a good craic with some Worcester fans beforehand. I said we're relegated but will get around 6000 today, and to look around Franklin's Gardens and ask yourselves how many his n hers black, gold n greens would be there if in our situation?
Worcester in the Royal London anyone?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: clarkeysntfc on May 06, 2018, 08:19:50 am
Didn't even bother warming up today. Either no chance of his coming on or too scared to show his face. Hopefully the last we've seen of him as he obviously doesn't want to be here

In fairness the subs warm up during the game under instruction from the manager. They don't just go up and have a jog about when they fancy it.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Monkey on May 06, 2018, 09:14:12 am
True, so perhaps he was being protected by DA...
If he's still with us next season we can call it a fresh start. As someone mentioned, others have turned opinion on its head but it requires a good attitude...


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 06, 2018, 09:20:06 am
Thought 6,500 was an excellent attendance considering!


It was 5k of us so not to bad considering. I reckon those there were true supporters?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dan on May 06, 2018, 10:40:17 am
 ;D ;D ;D ;D can't knock your efforts. I had a bloody fantastic afternoon away from Sixfields yesterday.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: DrillingCobbler on May 06, 2018, 14:19:22 pm
True, so perhaps he was being protected by DA...
If he's still with us next season we can call it a fresh start. As someone mentioned, others have turned opinion on its head but it requires a good attitude...

He doesn't need protecting. He's the best Cobblers player I've ever seen at protecting himself.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on May 06, 2018, 14:31:10 pm
Has he said anything to prompt this vilification? Or is it based on body language and association with JFH?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Manwork04 on May 06, 2018, 15:19:58 pm
Has he said anything to prompt this vilification? Or is it based on body language and association with JFH?
He's Sh1t, do you actually go to the games?
The amount of effort he puts in is outrageous, clearly doesn't want to be here now Dutch Jimmys gone.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 06, 2018, 16:12:18 pm
Has he said anything to prompt this vilification? Or is it based on body language and association with JFH?
Think it's basically not doing anything (in all departments) which has merited said vilification!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on May 06, 2018, 17:06:01 pm
He's Sh1t, do you actually go to the games?
The amount of effort he puts in is outrageous, clearly doesn't want to be here now Dutch Jimmys gone.

That’s what I thought - he’s done nothing to get the vilification except for being Dutch.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Grove on May 06, 2018, 17:49:23 pm
No worse than some of our supporters who proudly said they had better things to do today! I was hoping he would come on and score a few🙄. You maybe right tho'.

Yeah , I'm a season ticket holder that didn't go, couldn't be bothered , well done you for going though, maybe youll get fan of the year next year, you sad VVanker


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on May 06, 2018, 17:53:13 pm
It was 5k of us so not to bad considering. I reckon those there were true supporters?
Was I the only one who thought there was a lot of empty seats yesterday for an attendance of 6,500?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Lukey on May 06, 2018, 18:00:42 pm
I hope over the summer that the administrator and moderators of this forum take a long hard look at themselves.

It takes 2 minutes to change a thread title, yet they make it acceptable to insult a players name like that, criticism is one thing but the childishness of labelling him Van Bellend is pathetic,

I frequent many football forums and Ive never seen nothing like this one, he's a contracted player, call him it in the thread is one thing but leaving the title there is so sad.

The amount of blatant trolling on this forum that seems to be accepted by the moderators and administrators is shocking too,  ive seen forums in Corby Town's league managed with more maturity.

Wouldn't it be great to find out why some members stop posting, or others just read but never bother to join,

Lets improve and make the hotel end respectable and great again!!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 06, 2018, 18:16:22 pm
I hope over the summer that the administrator and moderators of this forum take a long hard look at themselves.

It takes 2 minutes to change a thread title, yet they make it acceptable to insult a players name like that, criticism is one thing but the childishness of labelling him Van Bellend is pathetic,

I frequent many football forums and Ive never seen nothing like this one, he's a contracted player, call him it in the thread is one thing but leaving the title there is so sad.

The amount of blatant trolling on this forum that seems to be accepted by the moderators and administrators is shocking too,  ive seen forums in Corby Town's league managed with more maturity.

Wouldn't it be great to find out why some members stop posting, or others just read but never bother to join,

Lets improve and make the hotel end respectable and great again!!
Interesting that you state 'visiting many other forums' and then 'trolling' in the next sentence!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: paul thompson is on May 06, 2018, 18:50:10 pm
I hope over the summer that the administrator and moderators of this forum take a long hard look at themselves.

It takes 2 minutes to change a thread title, yet they make it acceptable to insult a players name like that, criticism is one thing but the childishness of labelling him Van Bellend is pathetic,

I frequent many football forums and Ive never seen nothing like this one, he's a contracted player, call him it in the thread is one thing but leaving the title there is so sad.

The amount of blatant trolling on this forum that seems to be accepted by the moderators and administrators is shocking too,  ive seen forums in Corby Town's league managed with more maturity.

Wouldn't it be great to find out why some members stop posting, or others just read but never bother to join,

Lets improve and make the hotel end respectable and great again!!



WELL FCUKING SAID.........

too many self appointed experts on football posting the same old bollox,
year after years after year,







Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 06, 2018, 20:44:53 pm
;D ;D ;D ;D can't knock your efforts. I had a bloody fantastic afternoon away from Sixfields yesterday.

Well spotted 8) - not easily fooled are you ;)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 06, 2018, 20:58:41 pm
VV is a decent footballer

He's a grade A w@nker.

The saving grace of relegation is that I believe him to be one of the players with a clause in his contract. Im assuming this, I may be wrong. But If Im right then we can effectively get shot at no cost to us come the end of the Season. He's the first player we need to get shot of, we cannot afford him and we certainly won't be able to offload him to another club given the wages he's on if a clause isn't in place!

He's got to be quite literally the worst signing we've made in the last 30 years. We actually paid for him FFS! And his wages are without doubt massive!

I hope vV has enough in him to prove you wrong. You got it wrong on JJOT some 18 months ago and it is likely your outspoken comments will prove you wrong again. To malign player and a Cobblers one at that is shameful.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 06, 2018, 21:18:57 pm
Yeah , I'm a season ticket holder that didn't go, couldn't be bothered , well done you for going though, maybe youll get fan of the year next year, you sad VVanker

Ha Ha - at least Dan didn't fall for the rise. And you then add a crude insult!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Broadfoot on May 06, 2018, 22:41:38 pm
I have to say that when he is on the pitch we are down to ten men. It was the same with Sinclair a few years ago. Hopefully a misguided club will snap him up.
We have a team that under the right management will probably win promotion straight back to Division One.
We only need ONE more player, a TALL feisty centre forward for next season.
Dean Austin looks and acts like a very good prospective Cobblers Manager. I hope he is our manager next season.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 06, 2018, 23:15:46 pm
I have to say that when he is on the pitch we are down to ten men. It was the same with Sinclair a few years ago. Hopefully a misguided club will snap him up.
We have a team that under the right management will probably win promotion straight back to Division One.
We only need ONE more player, a TALL feisty centre forward for next season.
Dean Austin looks and acts like a very good prospective Cobblers Manager. I hope he is our manager next season.

 Are you any relation to Joe Broadfoot?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2235 on May 07, 2018, 11:40:32 am
Last night at the awards - ''I'm not a league two player''


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: OCoole on May 07, 2018, 11:46:51 am
Last night at the awards - ''I'm not a league two player''

Van Veen said that?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dan on May 07, 2018, 11:49:08 am
Based on his displays for us, I think that he's correct with that statement.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2235 on May 07, 2018, 11:50:18 am
Van Veen said that?
Yes


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2487 on May 07, 2018, 12:02:19 pm
Him and Bunney noticeably couldn't give a f*** last night.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3063 on May 07, 2018, 12:18:18 pm
Him and Bunney noticeably couldn't give a **** last night.

Was Yaser Kasim there?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2487 on May 07, 2018, 12:31:35 pm
Was Yaser Kasim there?

Didn't see him but not sure I'd have recognised him tbf.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Monty on May 07, 2018, 13:03:51 pm
Last night at the awards - ''I'm not a league two player''
Well said, Kev. If you can prove it beyond all doubt for us next season that'll be just great.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Mathius on May 07, 2018, 13:16:05 pm
As said previously, KVV has been working on an exit for some time. Hard for him to sell himself off the back of his time with us.

Kasim wasn't there but that's understandable. He's been frozen out and trains with the youth team now. The problem we have with him is that he wants the club to pay him off.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Irchy cob on May 07, 2018, 13:38:58 pm
As said previously, KVV has been working on an exit for some time. Hard for him to sell himself off the back of his time with us.

Kasim wasn't there but that's understandable. He's been frozen out and trains with the youth team now. The problem we have with him is that he wants the club to pay him off.
He’s perfectly entitled to sit out his contract as are the likes of bowditch and Hanley but he’d do well to realise that careers are short and he might regret deciding not to compromise in order to play.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Mathius on May 07, 2018, 13:44:29 pm
I agree. Let's hope Kasim sees it that way if a club comes in for him. He's not a bad player.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest170 on May 07, 2018, 15:09:25 pm
Last night at the awards - ''I'm not a league two player''
Maybe he'll get signed by Barnet then. If he's not a League 2 players, he's certainly not a league 1 player


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 07, 2018, 18:00:43 pm
Based on his displays for us, I think that he's correct with that statement.

Yep! Just a shame he didn't think it was worth making some effort to keep his team in League One then.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 07, 2018, 18:45:23 pm
See the mods still haven't addressed the thread title issue...
It's a small v for van no?  8)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 07, 2018, 18:47:30 pm
Last night at the awards - ''I'm not a league two player''
What was the reaction when the utter fcuking c**t said that?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Grove on May 07, 2018, 18:50:40 pm
See the mods still haven't addressed the thread title issue...
It's a small v for van no?  8)

I called Everbrite a v vanker, was he upset due to the v issue do you think


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on May 07, 2018, 19:11:04 pm
I hope vV has enough in him to prove you wrong. You got it wrong on JJOT some 18 months ago and it is likely your outspoken comments will prove you wrong again. To malign player and a Cobblers one at that is shameful.

So you think his comment that he is not a L2 player is acceptable?

In a grown up world it is allowed to make unfavorable comments about an employee of Northampton Town


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 07, 2018, 19:15:07 pm
So you think his comment that he is not a L2 player is acceptable?

In a grown up world it is allowed to make unfavorable comments about an employee of Northampton Town
Evers on the wrong platform again!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 07, 2018, 20:00:25 pm
So you think his comment that he is not a L2 player is acceptable?

In a grown up world it is allowed to make unfavorable comments about an employee of Northampton Town

What on earth are you on about! For the record his comments are incredibly silly; if true of course.

If you wish to support some of the OTT comments on vV and then suggest they are merely unfavorable opinions that is your judgement it isn't mine. Now pack up your sniping and go find somebody else to bother.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 07, 2018, 20:08:38 pm
What was the reaction when the utter fcuking c**t said that?

Good point Coolie - has there been any response to your query ::)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on May 08, 2018, 07:56:41 am
This bloke will not play for the club again


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BackOfTheNet on May 08, 2018, 08:38:17 am
This bloke will not play for the club again

It's debatable that he ever did! I've been giving him the benefit of the doubt on the grounds that he has apparently been carrying a knock but by the sound of it, if the reported quote is accurate, then his attitude stinks and he can do one as far as I'm concerned. A shame, because from what I've seen of him in the past I think there's a very talented player in there.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: threeinabed on May 08, 2018, 08:42:36 am
Maybe he'll get signed by Barnet then. If he's not a League 2 players, he's certainly not a league 1 player

he signed for us ahead of offers from championship teams


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: DrillingCobbler on May 08, 2018, 08:53:01 am
I hope vV has enough in him to prove you wrong. You got it wrong on JJOT some 18 months ago and it is likely your outspoken comments will prove you wrong again. To malign player and a Cobblers one at that is shameful.

 ;D ;D

You do realise that Chrissy Wilder got him wrong as well don't you?! 

Anyway, you've managed to get Cardoza Wrong, Page wrong, JED wrong, JFH wrong just for starters. Your firmly in the KT camp as well..lets see what occurs in the coming weeks shall we?!

Anyway, there is about a 0.01% chance VV will still be here in August and if he is it won't be because the club want him to be. If you believe that me slating him is 'shameful' then Im ok with that to be fair!  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: andycobbler on May 08, 2018, 09:14:07 am
If Van veen did indeed say that then as others have stated he can do one. He's part of the reason we're now in league 2.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2235 on May 08, 2018, 09:16:17 am
What was the reaction when the utter fcuking c**t said that?
We had a table at the awards and my mate went over to chat with him. We were amazed he would say something as damning as that, so was James Whiting when we told him  >:D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 08, 2018, 09:21:37 am
;D ;D

You do realise that Chrissy Wilder got him wrong as well don't you?! 

Anyway, you've managed to get Cardoza Wrong, Page wrong, JED wrong, JFH wrong just for starters. Your firmly in the KT camp as well..lets see what occurs in the coming weeks shall we?!

Anyway, there is about a 0.01% chance VV will still be here in August and if he is it won't be because the club want him to be. If you believe that me slating him is 'shameful' then Im ok with that to be fair!  ;D ;D
.

Go back and do some research for instance I never got Page or JED wrong,You casually omit CW and that after your shameful condemnation of him!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: DrillingCobbler on May 08, 2018, 11:15:41 am
.

Go back and do some research for instance I never got Page or JED wrong,You casually omit CW and that after your shameful condemnation of him!

I've already said on countless times I got it wrong with Wilder. I've even shared bloody Facebook posts recently where I did when it comes up on your memory feed!  ;D

I will let others judge as to whether or not you've got it wrong in the topics I've covered. Researching your previous posts is not something Im particularly keen to do!  ;D

What you often forget (or simply do not acknowledge) is that this is a message board, its about displaying opinions at that point in time etc. Not trying to be right or wrong about something 6/12/18/24/36 months ahead in time! I can't even remember what I posted about JJOT, but I do know I never had any where near the level of dislike towards him as I do VV. Anyway, a pointless debate really. Leave it with ya! Maybe if you presented an argument that is relevant at that point in time it would help you not get into petty cyber fights with fellow Cobblers fans but you seem incapable of doing that for some reason. Enjoy the sun!



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on May 08, 2018, 12:30:21 pm
What on earth are you on about! For the record his comments are incredibly silly; if true of course.

If you wish to support some of the OTT comments on vV and then suggest they are merely unfavorable opinions that is your judgement it isn't mine. Now pack up your sniping and go find somebody else to bother.

Might I respectfully suggest you actually read posts - there is no point where I show support for OTT comments, in fact if you took the time to read specifics then you will actually see I said some people comment using language I would choose not too - however living in your strange and blindly loyal world where any reasoned critical comment in your mind brands the individual as somehow not a true supporter reflect far more on your ability to engage in any sort of rational debate.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on May 08, 2018, 14:25:54 pm
Last night at the awards - ''I'm not a league two player''
I have been saying for ages that this character will not be part of any plans moving forward . Especially now that Austin is manager .
Van Veen is not at all liked and I was amazed he was included on Saturday


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Irchy cob on May 08, 2018, 14:33:56 pm
I have been saying for ages that this character will not be part of any plans moving forward . Especially now that Austin is manager .
Van Veen is not at all liked and I was amazed he was included on Saturday

When is the announcement being made?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 08, 2018, 14:35:00 pm
I've already said on countless times I got it wrong with Wilder. I've even shared bloody Facebook posts recently where I did when it comes up on your memory feed!  ;D

I will let others judge as to whether or not you've got it wrong in the topics I've covered. Researching your previous posts is not something Im particularly keen to do!  ;D

What you often forget (or simply do not acknowledge) is that this is a message board, its about displaying opinions at that point in time etc. Not trying to be right or wrong about something 6/12/18/24/36 months ahead in time! I can't even remember what I posted about JJOT, but I do know I never had any where near the level of dislike towards him as I do VV. Anyway, a pointless debate really. Leave it with ya! Maybe if you presented an argument that is relevant at that point in time it would help you not get into petty cyber fights with fellow Cobblers fans but you seem incapable of doing that for some reason. Enjoy the sun!


You obviously have an irrational dislike of vV; the trouble is you defaced it with abusive comments. This from a debating POV just merely detracts from your argument. Opinions are fine even abusive comments if you feel that helps your argument. Regarding petty squabbles on here your right - most of us do it at some or other ; you and I are no stranger to this! One thing I would ask can you please consider consulting your absent friend Mr Précis occasionally.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on May 08, 2018, 14:48:39 pm
When is the announcement being made?
I don’t know When but there are many matters to sort I would think


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 08, 2018, 14:51:58 pm
Might I respectfully suggest you actually read posts - there is no point where I show support for OTT comments, in fact if you took the time to read specifics then you will actually see I said some people comment using language I would choose not too - however living in your strange and blindly loyal world where any reasoned critical comment in your mind brands the individual as somehow not a true supporter reflect far more on your ability to engage in any sort of rational debate.

Unable to respond!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: DrillingCobbler on May 08, 2018, 15:03:36 pm
You obviously have an irrational dislike of vV; the trouble is you defaced it with abusive comments. This from a debating POV just merely detracts from your argument. Opinions are fine even abusive comments if you feel that helps your argument. Regarding petty squabbles on here your right - most of us do it at some or other ; you and I are no stranger to this! One thing I would ask can you please consider consulting your absent friend Mr Précis occasionally.

These 'abusive' comments you keep to referring to…any chance of you telling me what they were?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 08, 2018, 15:51:32 pm
You obviously have an irrational dislike of vV; the trouble is you defaced it with abusive comments. This from a debating POV just merely detracts from your argument. Opinions are fine even abusive comments if you feel that helps your argument. Regarding petty squabbles on here your right - most of us do it at some or other ; you and I are no stranger to this! One thing I would ask can you please consider consulting your absent friend Mr Précis occasionally.
Do you understand 'irrational'? Problem is Evers, you use a selection of words to try and impress, irrespective of whether they are appropriate or indeed, have any bearing whatsoever on the person you direct them at...adnauseam being a favourite!
How can it be irrational when the evidence is overwhelming - the guy is an utter c**k???
Decking the twat wouldn't go amiss!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Lukey on May 08, 2018, 16:57:33 pm
Well if he sees the fans calling him a bellend, you can't blame him for thinking he's not a league two player.

It's almost like blaming him, when there are some facts to take on board.

We were already rubbish when Jimmy signed on,

We haven't been any worse than we already were,

Players from before Jimmy arrived are more responsible because if they performed properly, Jimmy wouldn't have had to sign so many newbies.

So yeah this thread title is basically singling out Van Watsit, when there are many who are more to blame than him.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 08, 2018, 18:16:47 pm
How do you cope with the real world? Don't you dare ever step inside a pub will you, people say some really nasty words in there.

Anyway, I've had a look at myself and I think he's a bellend as well


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 08, 2018, 19:42:10 pm
Do you understand 'irrational'? Problem is Evers, you use a selection of words to try and impress, irrespective of whether they are appropriate or indeed, have any bearing whatsoever on the person you direct them at...adnauseam being a favourite!
How can it be irrational when the evidence is overwhelming - the guy is an utter c**k???
Decking the twat wouldn't go amiss!

ad nauseam !  When did I last use that forum favourite?

At the moment I don't necessarily agree with all the ' facts' chucked around on here about vV. He played ok at Wimbledon but was on the end of a rather nasty tackle. After that, his appearances/performances have been limited possibly due to his injury. I do agree that his little cameo's have been disappointing, to put it mildly. Whatever the reason he has been JFH whipping boy and singled out accordingly. Not an entirely different scenario from JJOT's early years here. Personally, I think your suggestion "when the evidence is overwhelming"  is irrational. The guy has a proven record of goal scoring and it just so happens I have a gut feeling that he may come good. I apologize for having a different stance on vV but until I made aware of facts - "not hearsay" for example 'my pal got up and spoke to him'. I would prefer not to join in calling him a Bellend and other similar plaudits until I see DA's decision on his future. As you know we as NTFC fans are quick to condemn and equally quick to applaud player(s). I agree with Luckey's comments on those who call him a Bellend. Its all about opinions and it's about time some of you practice what you preach on opinions.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on May 08, 2018, 20:42:16 pm
ad nauseam !  When did I last use that forum favourite?

At the moment I don't necessarily agree with all the ' facts' chucked around on here about vV. He played ok at Wimbledon but was on the end of a rather nasty tackle. After that, his appearances/performances have been limited possibly due to his injury. I do agree that his little cameo's have been disappointing, to put it mildly. Whatever the reason he has been JFH whipping boy and singled out accordingly. Not an entirely different scenario from JJOT's early years here. Personally, I think your suggestion "when the evidence is overwhelming"  is irrational. The guy has a proven record of goal scoring and it just so happens I have a gut feeling that he may come good. I apologize for having a different stance on vV but until I made aware of facts - "not hearsay" for example 'my pal got up and spoke to him'. I would prefer not to join in calling him a Bellend and other similar plaudits until I see DA's decision on his future. As you know we as NTFC fans are quick to condemn and equally quick to applaud player(s). I agree with Luckey's comments on those who call him a Bellend. Its all about opinions and it's about time some of you practice what you preach on opinions.
Van Veen is not injured , unless he fell off his wallet


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Irchy cob on May 08, 2018, 20:53:23 pm
Van Veen is not injured , unless he fell off his wallet

I thought he had a knee injury that they were hinting might need surgery?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 08, 2018, 22:29:17 pm
I thought he had a knee injury that they were hinting might need surgery?

So did I, is B&S preempting everything in site? Any chance of a lottery 'opinion'?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: WasRambo on May 09, 2018, 07:33:47 am
The reality is there's a decent player in there, no doubt. Maybe we're not the place for him but bear in mind he landed with us when we were right in the $hite, he was unfit / injured, plus it's debatable whether he was played to his strengths / given good service.

If he does stay, who knows what a decent rest and preseason might do?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 09, 2018, 08:28:33 am
The reality is there's a decent player in there, no doubt. Maybe we're not the place for him but bear in mind he landed with us when we were right in the $hite, he was unfit / injured, plus it's debatable whether he was played to his strengths / given good service.

If he does stay, who knows what a decent rest and preseason might do?

Absolutely. He wouldn't be the first player to fall from grace after hardly having a chance to prove himself. Then turn up somewhere else banging them in.

Give the guy a break..


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on May 09, 2018, 08:32:49 am
So did I, is B&S preempting everything in site? Any chance of a lottery 'opinion'?
Nothing to prevent him playing.
I very much doubt he will pull on a Cobblers shirt again unless he can’t get a move .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Wolvo on May 09, 2018, 08:38:10 am
The reality is there's a decent player in there, no doubt. Maybe we're not the place for him but bear in mind he landed with us when we were right in the $hite, he was unfit / injured, plus it's debatable whether he was played to his strengths / given good service.

If he does stay, who knows what a decent rest and preseason might do?

I keep thinking this. If he's here the day before first match... I'll stick a £1 on him to finish league top scorer.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 09, 2018, 08:39:17 am
He'll be one of the centre forwards alongside Hoskins and Waters next season, just need to sign the other one now.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: EssTeeFree on May 09, 2018, 08:47:18 am
I've got a sneaky suspicion if he stays and Austin is the manager he may well play the JJOT role from this season and JJ will move deeper to partner McWilliams.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: threeinabed on May 09, 2018, 08:59:26 am
I've got a sneaky suspicion if he stays and Austin is the manager he may well play the JJOT role from this season and JJ will move deeper to partner McWilliams.

he won't.

he will leave.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 09, 2018, 09:01:23 am
Absolutely. He wouldn't be the first player to fall from grace after hardly having a chance to prove himself. Then turn up somewhere else banging them in.

Give the guy a break..
Those sentiments might be admiral, had the cock not said what he said at the awards ceremony!
I guess there is the thin chance it was 'out of context' - ie, "I'I don't think I'm a League 2 player and want to do everything to prove that next season and help get Northampton out of this mess"
Unlikely, as would have been reported as such!

The injury excuse has also worn thin!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on May 09, 2018, 09:11:22 am
He'll be one of the centre forwards alongside Hoskins and Waters next season, just need to sign the other one now.
I will have a good bet with you he won’t be .
Unless no one will pay his wages or cover the £125k we paid


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: EssTeeFree on May 09, 2018, 09:17:43 am
he won't.

he will leave.


I did say IF he stayed ;D

I will have a good bet with you he won’t be .
Unless no one will pay his wages or cover the £125k we paid

Surely if he is as bad as we think he is no-one will do that so we're stuck with him? Maybe Jimmy will land a job and sign him.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: threeinabed on May 09, 2018, 09:21:37 am
I did say IF he stayed ;D

Surely if he is as bad as we think he is no-one will do that so we're stuck with him? Maybe Jimmy will land a job and sign him.

he isnt as bad as we think - he just doesnt want to play for us.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 09, 2018, 10:15:50 am
Those sentiments might be admiral, had the **** not said what he said at the awards ceremony!
I guess there is the thin chance it was 'out of context' - ie, "I'I don't think I'm a League 2 player and want to do everything to prove that next season and help get Northampton out of this mess"
Unlikely, as would have been reported as such!

The injury excuse has also worn thin!

JFH said he was injured after the Wdon game! Somewhat unusual to see you follow the route of hearsay and dogma prior to establishment of any relevant information. Is there a slight relaxation of your harsh opinion/attitude towards vV?
Normally you have such high principles especially where the facts are somewhat distorted. For instance your beer guides on here are generally accepted by many based on your accuracy/integrity.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 09, 2018, 10:30:20 am
Those sentiments might be admiral, had the **** not said what he said at the awards ceremony!
I guess there is the thin chance it was 'out of context' - ie, "I'I don't think I'm a League 2 player and want to do everything to prove that next season and help get Northampton out of this mess"
Unlikely, as would have been reported as such!

The injury excuse has also worn thin!

Who actually heard him say this 'League 2 player' comment? And to be honest, unless it was more than one poster on here, then i'd be inclined to take it with a large pinch of salt. Firstly, there is an awful lot of bollox posted on here, and secondly, it could also be something he said which was taken completely out of context during the course of a conversation.

And, for the record, yes KVV has been abysmal since joining us, but the title of this thread is a disgrace given it is about one of our players. There is no continuity around here, mods jump all over threads and lock them over the slightest thing that irks them, and then they themselves spend too much time belittling certain posters (Beds, Evers), while allowing infantile headings like the title of this thread. ::)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 09, 2018, 13:02:50 pm
Who actually heard him say this 'League 2 player' comment? And to be honest, unless it was more than one poster on here, then i'd be inclined to take it with a large pinch of salt. Firstly, there is an awful lot of bollox posted on here, and secondly, it could also be something he said which was taken completely out of context during the course of a conversation.

And, for the record, yes KVV has been abysmal since joining us, but the title of this thread is a disgrace given it is about one of our players. There is no continuity around here, mods jump all over threads and lock them over the slightest thing that irks them, and then they themselves spend too much time belittling certain posters (Beds, Evers), while allowing infantile headings like the title of this thread. ::)
Actually Jolly, the context issue I've clearly laid out in the post you've quoted!

Point 2 (how do we know authenticity...) In short we don't!
However, this isn't an agenda driven tabloid journo source...it's from a Cobblers fan(s). As mentioned by another poster, why on Earth would a fellow Cobblers fan make up such a story?*

*This is a rhetorical question Lukey/Evers et-al...I don't need predictable answers to this...other than 'they wouldn't!'

Bunney also in the Ceremonygate mix!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 09, 2018, 14:13:52 pm
Actually Jolly, the context issue I've clearly laid out in the post you've quoted!

Point 2 (how do we know authenticity...) In short we don't!
However, this isn't an agenda driven tabloid journo source...it's from a Cobblers fan(s). As mentioned by another poster, why on Earth would a fellow Cobblers fan make up such a story?*

*This is a rhetorical question Lukey/Evers et-al...I don't need predictable answers to this...other than 'they wouldn't!'

Bunney also in the Ceremonygate mix!

Surprisingly somewhat naive comments from you on this issue. The context issue you claim is clearly laid out in your post - well it is if you  believe wholeheartedly in Owls report.  You of all people from a debating POV would question the validity of hearsay comment. If Owly had asked the question himself then that might have had some credibility. It is not unusual for posters to embellish their comments with supportive 'facts' which in this case was all to rapidly assumed as 'gospel', particularly if it supports their argument.  The vilification of vV is partly driven by theories arising from our relegation; none of us are in the know [except one ::)], but if vV did utter those words in the manner claimed then of course, he deserves no sympathy. To be frank I am surprised you have adopted/assumed the popular viewpoint without first deliberating on the known facts.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2235 on May 09, 2018, 14:52:41 pm
Who actually heard him say this 'League 2 player' comment? And to be honest, unless it was more than one poster on here, then i'd be inclined to take it with a large pinch of salt. Firstly, there is an awful lot of bollox posted on here, and secondly, it could also be something he said which was taken completely out of context during the course of a conversation.

And, for the record, yes KVV has been abysmal since joining us, but the title of this thread is a disgrace given it is about one of our players. There is no continuity around here, mods jump all over threads and lock them over the slightest thing that irks them, and then they themselves spend too much time belittling certain posters (Beds, Evers), while allowing infantile headings like the title of this thread. ::)
100% true and furthermore mentioned his agent was looking for a move. I would never post something like that without it being true... no salt needed!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Mathius on May 09, 2018, 15:11:31 pm
I said some weeks ago that he had his agent working on his exit but their were some doubters then. Even if we'd stayed up he would have wanted out. For whatever reason he wasn't/ isn't happy at the club. Best for all concerned if we part company. If he was committed I would be happy to see him stay and attempt to turn his form around. Let's hope he can find another club after his miserable stay with us.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 09, 2018, 16:52:51 pm

Surprisingly somewhat naive comments from you on this issue. The context issue you claim is clearly laid out in your post - well it is if you  believe wholeheartedly in Owls report.  You of all people from a debating POV would question the validity of hearsay comment. If Owly had asked the question himself then that might have had some credibility. It is not unusual for posters to embellish their comments with supportive 'facts' which in this case was all to rapidly assumed as 'gospel', particularly if it supports their argument.  The vilification of vV is partly driven by theories arising from our relegation; none of us are in the know [except one ::)], but if vV did utter those words in the manner claimed then of course, he deserves no sympathy. To be frank I am surprised you have adopted/assumed the popular viewpoint without first deliberating on the known facts.

What do you mean "you of all people"? I'm just a tw*t who likes drinking ales...and hates guys with beards!  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on May 09, 2018, 17:16:29 pm
The biggest surprise of all is that he was even involved on Saturday .
He is not interested .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on May 09, 2018, 20:06:55 pm


And, for the record, yes KVV has been abysmal since joining us, but the title of this thread is a disgrace.....

I think you are being a bit precious on this one - sure not a great title, lacking in respect and language I would not choose but remember it was posted emotionally, minutes after we had been relegated and I’m sure the poster (like anyone who saw the game) was angry at another ineffective and seemingly can’t be arsed display by KVV - I guess the title could be changed to “KVV has been abysmal since joining us” - you couldn’t really object to that could you?😉


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 09, 2018, 21:43:41 pm
I think you are being a bit precious on this one - sure not a great title, lacking in respect and language I would not choose but remember it was posted emotionally, minutes after we had been relegated and I’m sure the poster (like anyone who saw the game) was angry at another ineffective and seemingly can’t be arsed display by KVV - I guess the title could be changed to “KVV has been abysmal since joining us” - you couldn’t really object to that could you?😉

So if you would not personally choose the title you then make excuses for poster who did. You can't have it both ways! As an aside I thought DA erred in bringing both out of form players on. If anybody - Long.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on May 10, 2018, 06:35:12 am
So if you would not personally choose the title you then make excuses for poster who did. You can't have it both ways! As an aside I thought DA erred in bringing both out of form players on. If anybody - Long.

You really don’t understand the concept of having it both ways do you? - does it not occur to you people are different, they behave differently under different circumstances - I’m not making excuses for anyone, simply offering an opinion on why that thread title may have been chosen. For the record I also dislike abusive songs sung by any supporters but I guess in your blindly loyal and myopic world they might be acceptable if sung by traveling cobblers fans but obviously not if sung by opposition fans.
I think a sense of perspective is required here as I’m not aware that calling someone a bellend is the worst crime in the world.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BackOfTheNet on May 10, 2018, 13:15:31 pm
I’m not aware that calling someone a bellend is the worst crime in the world.

I dunno, in these sensitive and rarified times I think it's pushing the boundaries of decency. Only yesterday someone on the Moulton community Facebook page had the audacity to say that some of the local kids were behaving like "nobs". It caused such an outcry amongst the delicate flowers that run the page the post was immediately closed to further comments and an edict issued that anyone being that rude in future would be thrown out of the group.

If someone had dropped a bellend in there I think they'd have spontaneously combusted. ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: bri77 on May 10, 2018, 13:43:57 pm
I take more offense to a wage thief that 'appears' to not give two hoots about our club than i do a phrase that actually seems quite accurate.



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: NTFC Nut on May 10, 2018, 18:08:41 pm
I make no apologies for calling him a bellend. Respect works both ways and he's never shown us any, from the moment he first took to the turf at Sixfields for Scunny and baited the North Stand, to the half-arsed displays he's put in since he signed for us (on big money I might add).


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 10, 2018, 18:53:00 pm
I don't think the thread title goes far enough!

Expletives, like strong adjectives, serve a purpose! After all, winning a million on the lottery, a weekend with the dream girl (or guy) of your choice, following a Cobblers promotion into the championship wouldn't  expect a response of "Ooh, that's nice" any more than hearing that your whole family have gone down in an air crash...and responding "oh, how disappointing"!

So let's get Bellend removed...something a tad stronger I propose!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 10, 2018, 18:59:25 pm
I think you are being a bit precious on this one - sure not a great title, lacking in respect and language I would not choose but remember it was posted emotionally, minutes after we had been relegated and I’m sure the poster (like anyone who saw the game) was angry at another ineffective and seemingly can’t be arsed display by KVV - I guess the title could be changed to “KVV has been abysmal since joining us” - you couldn’t really object to that could you?😉

I seem to remember you lambasting those who made personal insults against David Cardoza, right?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 10, 2018, 19:36:46 pm
I seem to remember you lambasting those who made personal insults against David Cardoza, right?
Yes, but he's almost bald!  ;)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 10, 2018, 19:45:20 pm
Yes, but he's almost bald!  ;)

And a c***! ;)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Mathius on May 10, 2018, 20:12:26 pm
Given his performances, why don't we call him Kevin Un Seen?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 10, 2018, 20:18:12 pm
And a c***! ;)
I like them!  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BackOfTheNet on May 10, 2018, 20:21:47 pm
If he's still here in August the club shop could do a roaring trade in "van Bellend" shirts.  :P


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 10, 2018, 22:44:34 pm
.......................................I'm just a tw*t who likes drinking ales...and hates guys with beards!  ;D

I don't think you are a twat or even a bellend;  your pal Prince Harry has a beard.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on May 10, 2018, 23:03:21 pm

Surprisingly somewhat naive comments from you on this issue. The context issue you claim is clearly laid out in your post - well it is if you  believe wholeheartedly in Owls report.  You of all people from a debating POV would question the validity of hearsay comment. If Owly had asked the question himself then that might have had some credibility. It is not unusual for posters to embellish their comments with supportive 'facts' which in this case was all to rapidly assumed as 'gospel', particularly if it supports their argument.  The vilification of vV is partly driven by theories arising from our relegation; none of us are in the know [except one ::)], but if vV did utter those words in the manner claimed then of course, he deserves no sympathy. To be frank I am surprised you have adopted/assumed the popular viewpoint without first deliberating on the known facts.

You give players too much sympathy .
Van Veen has taken the money and is not committed .
He is not injured and does not want to be here .
There’s a reason Sc***horpe wanted him out .
Alexander coming in was his best hope but that isn’t happening .
The question is who else will pay his wages and can we recover £125k?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: SteveRiches on May 11, 2018, 06:19:39 am
Terrible waste of money. Hasselbaink must have made the player's agent VERY happy!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 11, 2018, 13:51:24 pm
I don't think you are a twat or even a bellend;  your pal Prince Harry has a beard.
He has a beard...and is ginger ffs!  ;)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 11, 2018, 14:13:03 pm
He has a beard...and is ginger ffs!  ;)

Just like his dad. :-X ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 11, 2018, 19:31:30 pm
Just like his dad. :-X ;D
I'm lost with the current family, who is the father...the Greasy Greek?  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Shadowstorm on May 11, 2018, 20:45:50 pm
Maybe we can swap him with Barnet for Akinade!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Monty on May 12, 2018, 10:21:58 am
He has the ability to become the star player of L2 next year - if he has the attitude. Should he make these intentions clear then I'd be prepared to give him a chance. But at the moment all the soundbites coming out seem to have made him his own worst enemy as far asa connecting with the fans is concerned.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Manwork04 on May 12, 2018, 10:27:37 am
I think it's a case of trying to offload him TBH, otherwise he's a very expensive sub.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 12, 2018, 16:20:49 pm
Maybe we can swap him with Barnet for Akinade!
Akinade...just say it!  ;D

Akinde?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2487 on May 12, 2018, 16:52:16 pm
Do not get thia weird obsession Cobblers fans have with Akinde.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on May 12, 2018, 17:46:05 pm
Do not get thia weird obsession Cobblers fans have with Akinde.
He scores goals - even in a s***e team!
I'm more worried about the ridiculous over-sentimental obsession with Sammo!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest49 on May 12, 2018, 18:03:09 pm
He doesn’t want to be here and clearly only signed because of that other useless Dutch bloke whose name I have erased from my memory.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2487 on May 12, 2018, 19:20:48 pm
He scores goals - even in a s***e team!
I'm more worried about the ridiculous over-sentimental obsession with Sammo!

That's another weird obsession. Is he even involved in football anymore?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on May 13, 2018, 16:25:28 pm

Surprisingly somewhat naive comments from you on this issue. The context issue you claim is clearly laid out in your post - well it is if you  believe wholeheartedly in Owls report.  You of all people from a debating POV would question the validity of hearsay comment. If Owly had asked the question himself then that might have had some credibility. It is not unusual for posters to embellish their comments with supportive 'facts' which in this case was all to rapidly assumed as 'gospel', particularly if it supports their argument.  The vilification of vV is partly driven by theories arising from our relegation; none of us are in the know [except one ::)], but if vV did utter those words in the manner claimed then of course, he deserves no sympathy. To be frank I am surprised you have adopted/assumed the popular viewpoint without first deliberating on the known facts.


Sorry my friend - you are naive one and like some fans actually know very little about the psychology of some (not necessarily all players) - would it surprise you for example that in lower divisions there are a significant number of players in any squad that don’t want to be involved in play offs? - it probably does because a fan’s relationship with their club is completely different to that of a paid member of staff - and before you start your response (typically ignoring anything that does not suit your argument) I’m not talking about all players but they are present in most clubs to have signicance - bottomline here is if we as fans see a player who is paid well giving halfhearted performances when other players give 100% then fans are untitled to make comments because that player is cheating both the fans and the players that care - it may be a popular view because it probably true!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 13, 2018, 22:37:52 pm
Sorry my friend .....

Which you are not....Patronising verbosity on a message directed against Coolie!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on May 14, 2018, 09:15:17 am
Patronising verbosity


True, and intentionally so, but still a fantastic response from you, which will have me smiling most of the day - they say self awareness is a very difficult skill for some to achieve...................


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 14, 2018, 09:21:22 am

True, and intentionally so, but still a fantastic response from you, which will have me smiling most of the day - they say self awareness is a very difficult skill for some to achieve...................

ZZZZZ


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: bri77 on May 14, 2018, 09:49:22 am
I knew Neverbright would finally bore himself as much as he does everyone else  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: memyhead on May 14, 2018, 16:17:56 pm
Hopefully, Alexander will sign him for Salford, as he's stated he's not a L2 player!  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 14, 2018, 16:34:23 pm
Sorry my friend - you are naive one and like some fans actually know very little about the psychology of some (not necessarily all players) - would it surprise you for example that in lower divisions there are a significant number of players in any squad that don’t want to be involved in play offs? - it probably does because a fan’s relationship with their club is completely different to that of a paid member of staff - and before you start your response (typically ignoring anything that does not suit your argument) I’m not talking about all players but they are present in most clubs to have signicance - bottomline here is if we as fans see a player who is paid well giving halfhearted performances when other players give 100% then fans are untitled to make comments because that player is cheating both the fans and the players that care - it may be a popular view because it probably true!

That's a pretty bold statement, especially when you claim it's a significant number. I take it you have figures to back this up?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on May 14, 2018, 20:02:00 pm
That's a pretty bold statement, especially when you claim it's a significant number. I take it you have figures to back this up?

No figures (so you have every right to be cynical) - but close enough to the dressing room of several professional football clubs in the last 20 years to know not all players have the same level of dedication as fans


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Wolvo on May 14, 2018, 20:35:56 pm
That's a pretty bold statement, especially when you claim it's a significant number. I take it you have figures to back this up?

If you have a squad of 26, realistically around 14 players will play and also benefit from appearance bonuses.

The other 12 players will be having to do a couple weeks more training with no benefit to themselves what so ever (and at this level, probably out of contract in the summer). So I think it makes sense a good number of players won't be too bothered.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: WasRambo on May 15, 2018, 12:12:23 pm
As with any walk in life, you always find some more motivated than others.

However, if I were a fringe player looking to break through I'd be MORE motivated to train on, not less. After last season, anyone still with a contract who wasn't involved so much, will never have a better chance of getting a game, surely. And those who did feature have a lot to prove now....



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The Iron on July 23, 2018, 09:46:04 am
Scunny fan here in peace!  ;D

I totally get the (100's) of comments about KVV, he really split opinion at Glanford Park too.
On his day he was unplayable and looked every part a Premiership player, ghosting past players, able to play a killer ball and shooting ability right from the top drawer, but when he was off it, he was awful, can't head the ball, can't tackle and appeared lazy.
I was in the camp of 'we know what he is, accept the fact that he won't run around for 90 minutes, BUT, he can turn a game in a moment'. He did so many times for us at the top end of L1.
The other camp thought that he was lazy and not worth the rest of the team carrying him.

If he is fit, and interested, he will without doubt terrorise League 2 defenses and could quite likely fire you back into League 1. He does have an amazing talent.
I get that he has pissed you all off, but you might just have a diamond on your hands.

Good luck for the season ahead and look forward to playing you next year (we aren't going up anytime soon!)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3063 on July 23, 2018, 09:55:25 am
Scunny fan here in peace!  ;D

I totally get the (100's) of comments about KVV, he really split opinion at Glanford Park too.
On his day he was unplayable and looked every part a Premiership player, ghosting past players, able to play a killer ball and shooting ability right from the top drawer, but when he was off it, he was awful, can't head the ball, can't tackle and appeared lazy.
I was in the camp of 'we know what he is, accept the fact that he won't run around for 90 minutes, BUT, he can turn a game in a moment'. He did so many times for us at the top end of L1.
The other camp thought that he was lazy and not worth the rest of the team carrying him.

If he is fit, and interested, he will without doubt terrorise League 2 defenses and could quite likely fire you back into League 1. He does have an amazing talent.
I get that he has pissed you all off, but you might just have a diamond on your hands.

Good luck for the season ahead and look forward to playing you next year (we aren't going up anytime soon!)

Thanks for your comments and I really hope you're right.

The question is, if you had the opportunity would you have him back, or were you glad when he went?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The Iron on July 23, 2018, 10:19:42 am
To be honest, I would have him back, but for every one that would, there would be one that wouldn't! He was a bit of a cult figure.
He really did divide opinion, but for me, the good, and it really was good, was worth the frustration of the bad.

He will never run around for 90 minutes, that's not his game, but he does have the ability to change any game in a flick, defence splitting pass or unstoppable shot from 25 yards out.
If you can accept the bad, you'll marvel at the good.

If he's fit and motivated, after a dozen or so games this thread might read quite differently.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on July 23, 2018, 11:31:52 am
To be honest, I would have him back, but for every one that would, there would be one that wouldn't! He was a bit of a cult figure.
He really did divide opinion, but for me, the good, and it really was good, was worth the frustration of the bad.

He will never run around for 90 minutes, that's not his game, but he does have the ability to change any game in a flick, defence splitting pass or unstoppable shot from 25 yards out.
If you can accept the bad, you'll marvel at the good.

If he's fit and motivated, after a dozen or so games this thread might read quite differently.

Trouble is we haven't yet seen the good side of him!



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3063 on July 23, 2018, 11:33:29 am
To be honest, I would have him back, but for every one that would, there would be one that wouldn't! He was a bit of a cult figure.
He really did divide opinion, but for me, the good, and it really was good, was worth the frustration of the bad.

He will never run around for 90 minutes, that's not his game, but he does have the ability to change any game in a flick, defence splitting pass or unstoppable shot from 25 yards out.
If you can accept the bad, you'll marvel at the good.

If he's fit and motivated, after a dozen or so games this thread might read quite differently.

Thanks and good luck in the coming season.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The Iron on July 23, 2018, 12:02:16 pm
You too!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: bungle on July 23, 2018, 13:08:44 pm
The problem with Hasselbaink is that as a formerly technically-gifted player himself he prioritised technical ability over absolutely everything else: workrate, pressing ability, stamina etc.

KVV was signed and selected on the basis of his technical attributes without any real thought about the impact on the balance of the team. Other players such as Grimes and Pereira we also selected on technical ability alone without any real consideration of their offensive or defensive contribution.

If he stays - and I still think it's a massive if - then KVV could still come good if he was played in a clear system with industrious and athletic players around him.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on July 23, 2018, 13:19:01 pm
The problem with Hasselbaink is that as a formerly technically-gifted player himself he prioritised technical ability over absolutely everything else: workrate, pressing ability, stamina etc.

KVV was signed and selected on the basis of his technical attributes without any real thought about the impact on the balance of the team. Other players such as Grimes and Pereira we also selected on technical ability alone without any real consideration of their offensive or defensive contribution.

If he stays - and I still think it's a massive if - then KVV could still come good if he was played in a clear system with industrious and athletic players around him.

As usual a good post - I was no fan of the effort KVV showed and would not excuse that solely on a possible injury because the lack of interest was palpable - however I too think he could come good in the right set up at this level..

As an aside can the mods not rename the thread - Some of the emotional malice at the time of relegation was understandable but we should now move forward and not subject one of our players to an abusive thread title.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2487 on July 23, 2018, 13:28:49 pm
As usual a good post - I was no fan of the effort KVV showed and would not excuse that solely on a possible injury because the lack of interest was palpable - however I too think he could come good in the right set up at this level..

As an aside can the mods not rename the thread - Some of the emotional malice at the time of relegation was understandable but we should now move forward and not subject one of our players to an abusive thread title.

Fair post.

A clean slate for all...


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on July 23, 2018, 14:02:18 pm
Amended thread title


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on July 23, 2018, 14:59:38 pm
Amended thread title



....veel dank  ;)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on July 23, 2018, 15:25:18 pm
geen probleem...


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: OCoole on July 23, 2018, 15:55:28 pm
You get the impression from club pics over the summer that KVV hasn't made as many friends as he might have. I wonder if that's why he looks often looks glum? Footballers are people at the end of the day and if you are popular around your workplace then its going to lift your mood and probably improve performance on the pitch too.


Here's hoping Kev can score a few in the first few weeks and settle in a bit more!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on July 23, 2018, 16:38:51 pm
You get the impression from club pics over the summer that KVV hasn't made as many friends as he might have. I wonder if that's why he looks often looks glum? Footballers are people at the end of the day and if you are popular around your workplace then its going to lift your mood and probably improve performance on the pitch too.


Here's hoping Kev can score a few in the first few weeks and settle in a bit more!

Maybe he concentrates when going about his business in his workplace......life and soul of the party when away from it.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on July 23, 2018, 17:52:56 pm
To be honest, I would have him back, but for every one that would, there would be one that wouldn't! He was a bit of a cult figure.
He really did divide opinion, but for me, the good, and it really was good, was worth the frustration of the bad.

He will never run around for 90 minutes, that's not his game, but he does have the ability to change any game in a flick, defence splitting pass or unstoppable shot from 25 yards out.
If you can accept the bad, you'll marvel at the good.

If he's fit and motivated, after a dozen or so games this thread might read quite differently.
The problem with the kind of footballer he is, is that he needs players around him at a similar level. It's no good him playing balls and finding positions and making runs that no one else in the side reads. We had a similar problem with Matty Taylor two seasons ago, no one else had a footballing brain anywhere near as quick as his.
It's also overlooked that VV was injured for some of his time with us last season. In addition, had he converted at Walsall towards the death before we went 1-0 down with an attempt with his back to goal and our season turned out differently, he'd be seen completely differently by the majority.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on July 23, 2018, 19:56:45 pm
The problem with the kind of footballer he is, is that he needs players around him at a similar level. It's no good him playing balls and finding positions and making runs that no one else in the side reads. We had a similar problem with Matty Taylor two seasons ago, no one else had a footballing brain anywhere near as quick as his.
It's also overlooked that VV was injured for some of his time with us last season. In addition, had he converted at Walsall towards the death before we went 1-0 down with an attempt with his back to goal and our season turned out differently, he'd be seen completely differently by the majority.
Yep , and if he could have put his heart and soul on the line for the club that paid over £100k for him and not continually complained of minor injury , it may also have turned out differently .
I hope he does well this season and smashes 30 goals for us .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3114 on July 23, 2018, 22:22:43 pm
The problem with the kind of footballer he is, is that he needs players around him at a similar level. It's no good him playing balls and finding positions and making runs that no one else in the side reads. We had a similar problem with Matty Taylor two seasons ago, no one else had a footballing brain anywhere near as quick as his.
It's also overlooked that VV was injured for some of his time with us last season. In addition, had he converted at Walsall towards the death before we went 1-0 down with an attempt with his back to goal and our season turned out differently, he'd be seen completely differently by the majority.
Spot on Mr H, the way I see it stick him in a side that’s playing well and he could be the extra bit of quality that gets you promoted. Put him in a struggling side and he could be the passenger that seals your fate. Be interesting to see how he goes if we hit the ground running this season? All said with the benefit of hindsight obviously.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on July 23, 2018, 22:58:22 pm
Yep , and if he could have put his heart and soul on the line for the club that paid over £100k for him and not continually complained of minor injury , it may also have turned out differently .
I hope he does well this season and smashes 30 goals for us .


Are you saying we spent over £100k on Van Veen?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on July 23, 2018, 23:23:48 pm
Are you saying we spent over £100k on Van Veen?

You giving Sherlock Holmes a run for his money, how did you manage to deduce that from the clues given???  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The Rauldinho on July 24, 2018, 06:07:45 am
and not continually complained of minor injury
Can you elaborate on what this minor injury was?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Parklands Cobbler on July 24, 2018, 06:44:37 am
Our initial offer for KVV was £100000 that was turned down.He will go if we get a similar offer.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Alfred on July 24, 2018, 17:18:27 pm
Our initial offer for KVV was £100000 that was turned down.He will go if we get a similar offer.

If we get that offer i suspect Dean Austin will drive him there and drop him off


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dr Feelgood on July 24, 2018, 17:32:11 pm
I hope he stays because he has a cool name


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on July 24, 2018, 17:58:17 pm
Are you saying we spent over £100k on Van Veen?
I believe it was £135k for VV
Sc***horpe would have let him go for free at the end of the season because he wasn’t wanted there .
It’s probably why he is still here I would say , plus wage demands .
Let’s hope he does well and scores 30 goals this season .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Razor on July 24, 2018, 22:13:50 pm
The sooner he f*cks off the better. I hope he never plays another game for us.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: NTFC Nut on July 24, 2018, 22:19:42 pm
Well it looks like he's being given a second chance here that, in my books, he doesn't deserve, but maybe he'll follow in O'Toole's footsteps from when he first joined, take last season as a massive wake up call, roll his socks up and show us what he's capable of. We can but hope.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on July 24, 2018, 23:31:37 pm
The sooner he f*cks off the better. I hope he never plays another game for us.

Have a feeling you may have to eat yr words!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Razor on July 25, 2018, 07:47:56 am
I really doubt it. I fail to see how anyone can have even a slightly positive opinion about him after what he 'did' for us last season.

He makes Constantine look like Scott McGleish.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on July 25, 2018, 08:02:36 am
Austin nearly forgot to mention him when listing the players missing from last night !


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3063 on July 25, 2018, 08:38:56 am
Austin nearly forgot to mention him when listing the players missing from last night !

He did forget to mention Morais though, and he's only just signed him  :o




Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Wolvo on July 25, 2018, 10:21:05 am
I refuse to write him off. The man clearly has ability and I hope we have him in our squad next season.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The Rauldinho on July 25, 2018, 10:23:55 am
Hopefully he will start on Friday, but I wonder who with?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: bpcobbler on July 25, 2018, 11:45:30 am
He did forget to mention Morais though, and he's only just signed him  :o




I was told yesterday, that Morias is at least two weeks away from being 'match-fit'...


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest170 on July 27, 2018, 06:53:57 am
I was told yesterday, that Morias is at least two weeks away from being 'match-fit'...
If he's fit but not match fit then he has to start today. Only way to get match fit is to play matches


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on July 27, 2018, 08:38:54 am
I refuse to write him off. The man clearly has ability and I hope we have him in our squad next season.

I agree, he’s getting stick because he represents JFH in player form and people reckon he thinks he’s too good for league 2.
This doesn’t take away the fact that he’s a class striker with a good record. I don’t care about his personality if he’s banging in the goals for us.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on July 27, 2018, 08:40:31 am
Very interesting to see how van Veen performs tonight .
Add Turnbull to that as well .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on July 27, 2018, 12:06:10 pm
Very interesting to see how van Veen performs tonight .
Add Turnbull to that as well .

He won't have to put too much in to break sweat tonight


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on July 27, 2018, 12:18:02 pm
He won't have to put too much in to break sweat tonight
There’s a first time for everything ....
Jimmy recruits that need to earn their considerable wage and prove their worth


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2235 on July 27, 2018, 13:32:31 pm
I agree, he’s getting stick because he represents JFH in player form and people reckon he thinks he’s too good for league 2.
This doesn’t take away the fact that he’s a class striker with a good record. I don’t care about his personality if he’s banging in the goals for us.
Not people, he thinks he isn’t a league 2 player. It may have escaped you but he didn’t look much of a league 1 player either


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on July 27, 2018, 14:22:30 pm
Not people, he thinks he isn’t a league 2 player. It may have escaped you but he didn’t look much of a league 1 player either

Did you not read the Sc***horpe guy opinion on vV - seemed a reasonable opinion too.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest48 on July 27, 2018, 15:39:58 pm
Did you not read the Lincoln's guy opinion on vV - seemed a reasonable opinion too.
I think you mean the Sc*nthorpe guy.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on July 27, 2018, 15:49:21 pm
Not people, he thinks he isn’t a league 2 player.
Isn't that what I said?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Cobbler78 on July 28, 2018, 09:51:06 am
He looked OK last night, I'd still put Williams in ahead of him, but that leaves KVV as a VERY expensive sub.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3232 on August 12, 2018, 13:07:57 pm
He looked OK last night, I'd still put Williams in ahead of him, but that leaves KVV as a VERY expensive sub.
Think it’s time to wipe the slate clean... he needs a song
You’re Van Veen I betcha gonna get twenty you’re Van Veen
https://youtu.be/b6UAYGxiRwU


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BackOfTheNet on August 12, 2018, 14:42:10 pm
I'm not on a wind up at all. I recall a national newspaper doing a "cut out and keep" guide to where the goal is and what you do with it for Dennis Bergkamp when he first signed for Arsenal. I'm not for one second equating Van Veen with Bergkamp (despite the shared nationality), but sometimes strikers don't hit the ground running; it doesn't mean they are bad players.
I genuinely rate Van Veen as a good player and, if we can keep hold of him, think that next year he could be the 20 goal a season striker we've been missing.

Looks like me and big Kev have the same idea about him this season (although I'll give it a few games more before saying "I told you so" :P)

And before someone trawls back and picks me up on it, I also stand by my condemnation of what he reputedly said at the awards dinner, if he did indeed say it.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3232 on August 12, 2018, 14:53:22 pm
Looks like me and big Kev have the same idea about him this season (although I'll give it a few games more before saying "I told you so" :P)

And before someone trawls back and picks me up on it, I also stand by my condemnation of what he reputedly said at the awards dinner, if he did indeed say it.
He did


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dan on August 12, 2018, 15:12:04 pm
Confident that he'll be our top scorer by a comfortable margin.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on August 12, 2018, 16:19:38 pm
Confident that he'll be our top scorer by a comfortable margin.

If he stays fit, obviously. I agree but I also think he may well see a red card or two. Why he didn't see any part of the action against Lincoln when we were chasing the game is anybody's guess.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Wolvo on August 12, 2018, 16:29:44 pm
If he stays fit, obviously. I agree but I also think he may well see a red card or two. Why he didn't see any part of the action against Lincoln when we were chasing the game is anybody's guess.

He's never been sent off in English football.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on August 12, 2018, 18:39:20 pm
He's never been sent off in English football.

I hope it stays that way while he plays for us. I just get the feeling he will be targeted by other teams.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Wolvo on August 13, 2018, 19:56:42 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/re-focused-van-veen-vows-to-silence-the-doubters-and-targets-20-goals-plus-1-8599531

What a man.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3232 on August 13, 2018, 20:26:21 pm
Over confident. Most sensible centre forwards keep their targets to themselves.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 13, 2018, 20:35:38 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/re-focused-van-veen-vows-to-silence-the-doubters-and-targets-20-goals-plus-1-8599531

What a man.
I have voiced my doubts about him previously, but  I admire his optomism, and I hope that he is correct.
I also hope that we can get a decent wide man in on loan, to provide him with some service.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Another Pedj on August 13, 2018, 20:40:36 pm
Over confident. Most sensible centre forwards keep their targets to themselves.

Well Harry Kane has revealed his target for the last few seasons.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Wolvo on August 13, 2018, 20:41:13 pm
Well Harry Kane has revealed his target for the last few seasons.

He got the world cup spot on too.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3230 on August 13, 2018, 21:02:21 pm
I like the new KVV.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3232 on August 13, 2018, 21:27:49 pm
Well Harry Kane has revealed his target for the last few seasons.
Not having that, give me a link. He has a target every season but when interviewed doesn’t reveal. Happy to be proved wrong


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on August 13, 2018, 23:02:39 pm
Over confident. Most sensible centre forwards keep their targets to themselves.

Over confident striker - aren’t they all?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on August 14, 2018, 12:09:20 pm
I’m not sure the management team agree that he was suffering with a “ bad injury “ last season .
Never mind , let’s draw a line under it and hope he gets the 20 goals he promises .
For over £4K a week ( fact ) you would expect so .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Manwork04 on August 14, 2018, 13:18:13 pm
Good Luck Super Kev.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on August 14, 2018, 13:26:16 pm
I’m not sure the management team agree that he was suffering with a “ bad injury “ last season .
Never mind , let’s draw a line under it and hope he gets the 20 goals he promises .
For over £4K a week ( fact ) you would expect so .
If you know for a fact he is on over 4k per week, why not just tell us how much he actually earns?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Wolvo on August 14, 2018, 14:00:14 pm
If you know for a fact he is on over 4k per week, why not just tell us how much he actually earns?

Its a best guess.

Only tinpot fans would get annoyed about a star striker earning a speculative £4k a week in any case. That must be the average going rate for a good striker in our league?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Snow Dive Larry on August 14, 2018, 14:34:10 pm
Happy to give KvV a clean slate - he could become the new JJOT as a surprise hit after looking certain to go. We need him motivated week in, week out and if that happens he could be a great link to Morias.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on August 14, 2018, 14:42:58 pm
Its a best guess.


That's the bit I was getting at..I'd guess he is on circa 4k also, just wouldn't be telling it as fact.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Battery Man on August 14, 2018, 15:39:44 pm
If KVV did have a serious injury and that wasn't communicated to the fans by the club then they have done him a real disservice as he seemed to become one of the major scapegoats for the problems towards the end of last season. However, we are now in a new season and I hope he cracks in at least 20 goals this season and proves to the fans that he is worth the money he is on and was spent getting him. I personally think with him Morais and Williams we should have a lot of goals in us this season. Hopefully it will be a case of, when they are all playing, whatever the opposition score doesnt matter as we will always score more a bit like the Graham Carr side.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on August 14, 2018, 15:49:51 pm
What a difference a goal makes.
If anyones's interested you can get 66/1 one him being League 2 highest scorer this season.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: TownOwl on August 14, 2018, 16:42:19 pm
What a difference a goal makes.
If anyones's interested you can get 66/1 one him being League 2 highest scorer this season.

...anyone?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2018, 16:50:55 pm
...anyone?

I will no probs - £10 for me!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on August 14, 2018, 16:57:31 pm

I will no probs - £10 for me!

Good luck. I'd already done it, partly because I thought another League 2 club might snap him up for a fresh start.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ajp on August 14, 2018, 20:02:23 pm
He seems really up for it so we... give him a rest! Great!!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on August 14, 2018, 21:09:29 pm
Its a best guess.

Only tinpot fans would get annoyed about a star striker earning a speculative £4k a week in any case. That must be the average going rate for a good striker in our league?
It’s not a best guess .
And I’m not annoyed . I actually thought it would be more .
Let’s hope he gets the 20 because we all benefit .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Wolvo on August 14, 2018, 21:29:53 pm
It’s not a best guess .
And I’m not annoyed . I actually thought it would be more .
Let’s hope he gets the 20 because we all benefit .

Why bring it up at all then?

Next time you're with KT, can you ask him how much our other players get paid?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Welly Cobb on August 18, 2018, 16:17:33 pm
I do like a good redemption story.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on August 18, 2018, 16:26:20 pm
It is fair to say he has put a deposit down. Hope he completes on the 20. With our defence it might just keep us up.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: MK_Cobbler on August 18, 2018, 17:20:21 pm
I make no apologies for calling him a bellend. Respect works both ways and he's never shown us any, from the moment he first took to the turf at Sixfields for Scunny and baited the North Stand, to the half-arsed displays he's put in since he signed for us (on big money I might add).

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on August 18, 2018, 17:25:30 pm
Our second strip is orange, right? With a little bits of yellow and red trim...


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BackOfTheNet on August 18, 2018, 18:15:49 pm
Looks like me and big Kev have the same idea about him this season (although I'll give it a few games more before saying "I told you so" :P)

I told you so.  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ajp on August 18, 2018, 18:23:43 pm
Don’t forget he wants a move in January so he’s hardly not gonna try is he 😉. No in all fairness a top performance today. Shame the back four weren’t on the same wavelength.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: NTFC Nut on August 18, 2018, 18:45:10 pm
;D ;D ;D

I still make no apology for what I said back in May, and I still don't accept that the standard of the performances he put in was down to anything other than his heart not being in it.

Clean slate this season though, as others have said. Glad to see him taking the second chance he's been given.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Carlo Corazzins Corduroy on August 19, 2018, 00:08:01 am
I still make no apology for what I said back in May, and I still don't accept that the standard of the performances he put in was down to anything other than his heart not being in it.

Poor fitness? Still recoperating from an injury? Lack of confidence?

It's amazing how people still assume bad performances are simply due to lack of effort, when football can be such a short and volatile career. Why would he jeopardise his future earnings? Yeah players probably aren't as 'passionate' or as loyal about their clubs as fans are, but it's nonsense to suggest because of that they sometimes just can't be arsed.

Football is mostly technical ability, fitness and confidence. Passion/commitment/heart has very little bearing when it comes down to it. van Veen's improvement is just based off a full pre-season and a step down in standard of opposition.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on August 19, 2018, 11:35:26 am
Poor fitness? Still recoperating from an injury? Lack of confidence?

It's amazing how people still assume bad performances are simply due to lack of effort, when football can be such a short and volatile career. Why would he jeopardise his future earnings? Yeah players probably aren't as 'passionate' or as loyal about their clubs as fans are, but it's nonsense to suggest because of that they sometimes just can't be arsed.

Football is mostly technical ability, fitness and confidence. Passion/commitment/heart has very little bearing when it comes down to it. van Veen's improvement is just based off a full pre-season and a step down in standard of opposition.

That first goal was sheer class - you don’t even bother to make reference to it!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 19, 2018, 18:42:59 pm
What did I say 2 weeks ago Cecil about the Van Veinmeister..



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on August 25, 2018, 19:30:15 pm
I wonder when his goal drought will end, only 41 L2 games and at least 1 FA cup game left now to get his target  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on October 13, 2018, 16:22:36 pm
Changed the game
If he played like that every week , he would be the best player in division 2 !
Hopefully Curly has got into his head


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on October 13, 2018, 18:13:46 pm
I can’t temeber the last time a sub made as much impact on a game than Van Veen today, it virtually revolved around him. I didn’t realise he is so quick. We ought to make the most of him because we will be lucky to hold on to him in January


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest48 on October 13, 2018, 18:40:01 pm
van Veen is the only player on our books who could get near 20 goals a season, so he has to play every week.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3086 on October 13, 2018, 18:58:41 pm
Oh Alton, oh Alton, oh Alton how short they memory. I give you Ricky Holmes.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on October 13, 2018, 19:08:05 pm
Oh Alton, oh Alton, oh Alton how short they memory. I give you Ricky Holmes.

As sub?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Irchy cob on October 13, 2018, 19:16:55 pm
As sub?

I think he’s referring to the 4-3 Luton away match.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on October 13, 2018, 19:24:23 pm
I think he’s referring to the 4-3 Luton away match.

I remember the game mainly because of that free kick. Ricky’s goal was fantastic but we were 3-3 when he came on and I reckon Van Veen’s overall contribution was far more today.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3086 on October 13, 2018, 21:07:25 pm
Christmas 2015 and Luton away and Accrington home, Ricky came on and showed complete and utter class to ensure at exactly the right time in the season the team could turn games around. I remember v Accrington feeling that as soon as he came on we would win.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Fred_NTFC on October 13, 2018, 21:49:47 pm
Mansfield away too, albeit they were down to ten men.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on October 13, 2018, 22:01:40 pm
van Veen is the only player on our books who could get near 20 goals a season, so he has to play every week.

I think KC seems to be handling him perfectly at the moment. He has said a number of times about him being a complex character and him spending plenty of time with him.

I'd let him get on with it.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3245 on October 13, 2018, 22:16:40 pm
I think KC seems to be handling him perfectly at the moment. He has said a number of times about him being a complex character and him spending plenty of time with him.

I'd let him get on with it.

Well said.

I think we now have the manager who WILL get the best out of our players.  And that is because the players believe in him.  (for all you thickos, that statement hides a 3,000,000 essay on the whys and wherefores of professional Football)

Mr.vVeen is the Charlie George of today!

I use the title "Mr", because he sets himself apart by his quality.

I trust Curley-Cobblers to use him in the most effective way for the mighty Cobblers to get results.

And, make no mistake, Curley-Cobblers and Mr.vVeen are the two best things to hit our club in quite some time!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on October 13, 2018, 22:46:02 pm
Getting the best out of people is an enormous part of management in any industry .
You can have as many badges and certificates as you like but there is no qualification for dealing with people .
If Curly can work with the characters on our side and get them performing as a team , we have a chance.
Van Veen is top of that list because he is awkward and an enigma .
Today , he was up for it and looked a class above .
Hopefully Curly has the skill to get the best out of him full time .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on October 13, 2018, 22:58:06 pm
Getting the best out of people is an enormous part of management in any industry .
You can have as many badges and certificates as you like but there is no qualification for dealing with people .
If Curly can work with the characters on our side and get them performing as a team , we have a chance.
Van Veen is top of that list because he is awkward and an enigma .
Today , he was up for it and looked a class above .
Hopefully Curly has the skill to get the best out of him full time .

Exactly, well put.

Expirance also has a lot to do with this too. That maybe one of the biggest differences between Curle and Austin.

Austin needed a platform to learn and make his own mistakes, just us and niw was not tge pkay form for doing that. Curle had been there and done that and commands respect. Of fours this does not guarantee success but definatly helps.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Freddie Ramscar on October 13, 2018, 23:12:14 pm
Exactly, well put.

Expirance also has a lot to do with this too. That maybe one of the biggest differences between Curle and Austin.

Austin needed a platform to learn and make his own mistakes, just us and niw was not tge pkay form for doing that. Curle had been there and done that and commands respect. Of fours this does not guarantee success but definatly helps.

I think you are Alan Turing and your posts are written using your enigma machine. Unfortunately have not cracked the code you are using at the moment, but working on it.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on October 13, 2018, 23:57:08 pm
Exactly, well put.

Expirance also has a lot to do with this too. That maybe one of the biggest differences between Curle and Austin.

Austin needed a platform to learn and make his own mistakes, just us and niw was not tge pkay form for doing that. Curle had been there and done that and commands respect. Of fours this does not guarantee success but definatly helps.
Hope you had a good night out Glasto ! :)
The hardest part of management is dealing with people that you don’t see eye to eye with. But you don’t have to get on with someone to get the best out of them . You just have to respect they are motivated by different things and tap into that for the greater good


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: bpcobbler on October 14, 2018, 01:07:06 am
'That' run though...  #thoroughbred   


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on October 14, 2018, 04:31:11 am
Yeah players probably aren't as 'passionate' or as loyal about their clubs as fans are, but it's nonsense to suggest because of that they sometimes just can't be arsed.

Football is mostly technical ability, fitness and confidence. Passion/commitment/heart has very little bearing when it comes down to it.

Don’t totally agree because having watched football for many years I would categorically state some player can’t be arsed.

Also if in your footballing world passion, commitment and heart have little bearing you represent the mindset of coaches a few years ago that had a philosophy of suppressing individual passion and replacing it with sophisticated technical skills - result boring sterile football.

Of course technical ability, fitness and confidence have a place but surely a blend of all these characteristics gives us the best football.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Monkey on October 14, 2018, 07:12:02 am
No doubting KvVs quality but I'm loving his work rate and his ability to time a run and/or challenge top. Very clever player who hopefully Curle can get the best out of consistently.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 14, 2018, 08:42:58 am
I think you are Alan Turing and your posts are written using your enigma machine. Unfortunately have not cracked the code you are using at the moment, but working on it.


 ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on October 14, 2018, 10:55:35 am
I think you are Alan Turing and your posts are written using your enigma machine. Unfortunately have not cracked the code you are using at the moment, but working on it.

Cracking the spelling would be a start!  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on October 14, 2018, 15:27:42 pm
I think you are Alan Turing and your posts are written using your enigma machine. Unfortunately have not cracked the code you are using at the moment, but working on it.


 ;D ;D I'm definitely going to nick that gem. 


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on October 14, 2018, 15:36:35 pm
Don’t totally agree because having watched football for many years I would categorically state some player can’t be arsed.


I don't think you appreciate just how hard it is to make it as a professional footballer, the ones that can't be arsed will have been weeded out early in the process despite their ability.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Wolvo on October 14, 2018, 17:56:59 pm
First couple pages of this thread is hilarious  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Carlo Corazzins Corduroy on October 14, 2018, 18:22:30 pm
Don’t totally agree because having watched football for many years I would categorically state some player can’t be arsed.

Also if in your footballing world passion, commitment and heart have little bearing you represent the mindset of coaches a few years ago that had a philosophy of suppressing individual passion and replacing it with sophisticated technical skills - result boring sterile football.

Of course technical ability, fitness and confidence have a place but surely a blend of all these characteristics gives us the best football.

Not sure I follow, what coaches are you referencing? The most sterile football I've watched at Town is under Boothroyd, and there was no technical sophistication in that unless you're counting Tozer's long throws. I'd argue it's those types of managers; Aidy, Pulis, Allardyce, that produce the worst football to watch. None of them reward individuality, it's all laboured collective effort and organisation.



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on October 14, 2018, 18:23:52 pm
First couple pages of this thread is hilarious  ;D


Haha! thanks for the tip. If VV keeps it up he's going to be a cult hero up to the JJOT level.
Ralap is going to have to make up some new lyrics for the 'I just don’t think you understand' chant


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 14, 2018, 19:14:08 pm
First couple pages of this thread is hilarious  ;D

I stand by every word I said!  :P


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 14, 2018, 21:39:58 pm

Haha! thanks for the tip. If VV keeps it up he's going to be a cult hero up to the JJOT level.
Ralap is going to have to make up some new lyrics for the 'I just don’t think you understand' chant

No chance.

Not with Hi Oh Silver lining waiting for his name...


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on October 15, 2018, 12:42:55 pm
First couple pages of this thread is hilarious  ;D

Yes, just one example of how wrong a few people on here are some of the time.

People thought van Veen wasn't good enough, I didn't. Even a child can see that he has quality up above and beyond most of our squad.
People thought Foley wasn't good enough, I didn't. I backed him. Now he is our most consistent player week in week out.
Some people still think Cornell isn't good enough, I don't. Most of his doubters have realised he can do a decent job for us, then we have those on here with shall we say, issues or those just on a wind up.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on October 15, 2018, 13:11:22 pm
I don't think you appreciate just how hard it is to make it as a professional footballer, the ones that can't be arsed will have been weeded out early in the process despite their ability.

Actually I do appreciate how hard it is from at very close quarters watching youngsters in our youth set up progressing to some who are now playing at a higher level.

Some of these players despite a poor run of form, injuries or even a rubbish manager will still put in a 100% shift - there are others when the going gets tough simply wont - so no, they are not always weeded out (not least because even outside these normal highs and lows, attitudes and motivations can change in a 15 year career journey)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on October 15, 2018, 13:22:21 pm
Yes, just one example of how wrong a few people on here are some of the time.

People thought van Veen wasn't good enough, I didn't. Even a child can see that he has quality up above and beyond most of our squad.
People thought Foley wasn't good enough, I didn't. I backed him. Now he is our most consistent player week in week out.
Some people still think Cornell isn't good enough, I don't. Most of his doubters have realised he can do a decent job for us, then we have those on here with shall we say, issues or those just on a wind up.

There have been many on this forum that have stated that Van Veen, Foley, Williams, Facey, Bunney amongst others are 'not good enough' or 'will get the club relegated to the NL, or are/have been 'dud signings'. One poster even stated that Pierre's sending off against Port Vale was 'no great loss' and implied we were better off playing with 10 than with him in the XI! Some on here feel the squad is not good enough to finish in the top half of this league, a view I find laughable. I fancy we'll finish in the top 7 this season, nothing I've seen from the quality of the other teams leads me to think this isn't achievable.

I believe you are wrong about Cornell however. Saturday again showed he can and will be a liability all too often as the season progresses. His poor decision making cost the goal, make no mistake. If he had stayed on his line then the attacker still had much to do and Turnbull had little ground to make up in order to make a block/tackler/put Reid off. He also came out very early which was unnecessary. He made the decision to come out, it was badly wrong and it put us behind.

By my reckoning poor goalkeeping by him has directly cost at least 6 goals so far this season. That he has made a small handful of very good saves means very little. IMO a keepers' worth is down to how few errors they make and Cornell has got a bad error in him almost every other match and this just isn't good enough. There's no reason whatsoever to assume that any other keeper at this level would not have made at least the same number of 'superb' stops if playing all season instead of Cornell, while also making considerably less (if any at all) basic goal costing errors.

For example, Ward made  a very good save against Oxford which if made by Cornell would have seen his supporters on here stating how he had 'saved us' and how we were so lucky to have him! Didn't see a great deal of praise for Ward for the stop however. I'm not saying Ward should be playing instead of Cornell, he may well not be good enough and therefore should never have been bought in.

I'll be staggered if Curle does not bring in a replacement for Cornell in January.





Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on October 15, 2018, 13:22:30 pm
Not sure I follow, what coaches are you referencing? The most sterile football I've watched at Town is under Boothroyd, and there was no technical sophistication in that unless you're counting Tozer's long throws. I'd argue it's those types of managers; Aidy, Pulis, Allardyce, that produce the worst football to watch. None of them reward individuality, it's all laboured collective effort and organisation.



I think we are essentially saying the same thing other than for me heart and passion still play a big part


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on October 15, 2018, 13:30:49 pm

I believe you are wrong about Cornell however. Saturday again showed he can and will be a liability all too often as the season progresses. His poor decision making cost the goal, make no mistake. If he had stayed on his line then the attacker still had much to do and Turnbull had little ground to make up in order to make a block/tackler/put Reid off. He also came out very early which was unnecessary. He made the decision to come out, it was badly wrong and it put us behind.

By my reckoning poor goalkeeping by him has directly cost at least 6 goals so far this season. That he has made a small handful of very good saves means very little. IMO a keepers' worth is down to how few errors they make and Cornell has got a bad error in him almost every other match and this just isn't good enough. There's no reason whatsoever to assume that any other keeper at this level would not have made at least the same number of 'superb' stops if playing all season instead of Cornell, while also making considerably less (if any at all) basic goal costing errors.


Interesting and fair points - my take is we as a team were so woefully bad under DA it was probably unfair to single out Cornell as a scapegoat - however I fully expect many players in the coming weeks to raise their game (to where is should have been in the first place) so given his age and number of games played unfortunately doubt if Cornell will improve - of course I hope this is not the case but if it is stays the same then the errors we have seen will mark him as a weaker link and I believe KC will make changes.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 15, 2018, 16:22:28 pm
I was of the view...that I wanted him off the wage bill at all costs. That was in May.

The reason for this was his shocking performances last season. We now know he was injured AND SHOULDN'T OF EVEN BEEN PLAYING. So basically, JFH hung him out to dry.

I can only go on what I see; this season his effort levels have been very good, indeed the effort he put in Saturday basically won us the game.

What I will say is that this week he's either scored or been instrumental in 3 of the 4 goals. On each occasion he won the ball from the opposition when he was never entitled to win it. THAT IS THE EFFORT LEVELS ID LIKE TO SEE FROM ALL OF OUR PLAYERS, ALL OF THE TIME.

His determination to get to the ball first won us the corner which we scored from and for the 2nd goal, his relentless charge completely rattled the FGR defender into making a mistake. Fantastic stuff.

This in the same week, our new manager has labelled him as 'complex'.

He's set the bar high this week for himself. We now know what he can do if he puts his mind to it. Lets hope it continues, because if it does it will mean he's going to be back playing at a higher level sooner rather than later. If he puts that sort of display in for us on a consistent basis then that higher level could still be with us, that as things stand though is a mighty long shot!  ;D



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Shoemaker on October 15, 2018, 16:22:58 pm
When I find myself in times of trouble
Kevin Van Veen comes to me
Singing words of wisdom
Let it be
Let it be

And in my times of darkness
He is standing there in front of me
Singing words of wisdom
Let it be
Let it be

K V V
K V V
K V V
K V V
Scoring goals for cobblers
K V V


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: bungle on October 15, 2018, 17:30:04 pm
Van Veen's on fire
Your defence is terrified...

(Derivative but would scan well...)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on October 15, 2018, 18:24:52 pm



I'll be staggered if Curle does not bring in a replacement for Cornell in January.





Prepare to be staggered.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 15, 2018, 19:28:19 pm
Van Veen's on fire
Your defence is terrified...

(Derivative but would scan well...)

Good one - hope he turns it on against MK.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on October 15, 2018, 19:44:31 pm
Prepare to be staggered.

Think your wrong Ron, but we will see.

I think it's an area he will address in jan


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on October 15, 2018, 19:51:40 pm
Think your wrong Ron, but we will see.

I think it's an area he will address in jan

If he doesn't will you and the other detractors finally give up, probably not.  ::)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 16, 2018, 12:49:15 pm
That second goal gives me wood..


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Clarity on October 16, 2018, 12:55:19 pm
That second goal gives me wood..
Change your name... Dr Feelwood


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on October 16, 2018, 13:15:24 pm
If he doesn't will you and the other detractors finally give up, probably not.  ::)

If he does will you and the others on here who seemingly rate him admit they were wrong? Probably not!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 16, 2018, 13:44:17 pm
Change your name... Dr Feelwood

Google Dr Feelgood?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on October 16, 2018, 14:16:04 pm
If he does will you and the others on here who seemingly rate him admit they were wrong? Probably not!

Yes 100%. Are you willing to commit?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 16, 2018, 14:51:35 pm
If he does will you and the others on here who seemingly rate him admit they were wrong? Probably not!


At the game on Sat when Cornell first approached the North Stand he received an enthusiastic reception. A decent show of appreciation for an supposedly NG goalie! As judges of players the North End is a decent barometer of opinion.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on October 16, 2018, 15:45:38 pm
Yes 100%. Are you willing to commit?

Commit? I was simply illustrating the point that your post can swing both ways. I never said I would admit I was wrong about Cornell's ability if he is not replaced in January. If you rate Cornell and he is replaced then why should that alter your opinion of his ability?

I'll change my opinion on him if he plays the second half of the season with very few (if any) goal-costing errors as it's the performances that matter, this has always been my stance.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on October 16, 2018, 15:50:02 pm


At the game on Sat when Cornell first approached the North Stand he received an enthusiastic reception. A decent show of appreciation for an supposedly NG goalie! As judges of players the North End is a decent barometer of opinion.

I sit in the North and always clap the keeper. Why would I not? Supporting a player and not rating him are not mutually exclusive.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 16, 2018, 16:26:46 pm
Thought I read that you sat in the East Stand? You are a strong opponent of Cornell why would you join in the enthusiastic reception Cornell received?

Are you picking a fight?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The Rauldinho on October 16, 2018, 16:40:55 pm
Are you picking a fight?

Always.  ::)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on October 16, 2018, 17:03:05 pm
The critical thing with KVV is that he has to do it every week .
Everyone knows he has the talent but iits applying it consistently and not when he feels like it .
Hopefully KC can get in his head and get the best from him .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Coolcat on October 16, 2018, 17:16:26 pm
Commit? I was simply illustrating the point that your post can swing both ways. I never said I would admit I was wrong about Cornell's ability if he is not replaced in January. If you rate Cornell and he is replaced then why should that alter your opinion of his ability?

I'll change my opinion on him if he plays the second half of the season with very few (if any) goal-costing errors as it's the performances that matter, this has always been my stance.
De Gea was utter garbage last night wasn't he!
Should have stopped Rashford's and both of Sterling's goals... obviously!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 16, 2018, 17:34:51 pm
The critical thing with KVV is that he has to do it every week .
Everyone knows he has the talent but iits applying it consistently and not when he feels like it .
Hopefully KC can get in his head and get the best from him .
If he can keep it up he will be a beast in this division, but I’d still take an inconsistent Van Veen over either Hoskins and Williams any day.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 16, 2018, 17:42:54 pm
Are you picking a fight?

No def not - sorry Clarence!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3114 on October 16, 2018, 18:12:34 pm
The critical thing with KVV is that he has to do it every week .
Everyone knows he has the talent but iits applying it consistently and not when he feels like it .
Hopefully KC can get in his head and get the best from him .
I would suggest that right there is why he has ended up playing in division 2. If he was consistent I don’t believe he would have been available for us to sign in the first place? How many people on here who saw the footage of him playing for Sc***horpe when we signed him wondered why they were prepared to let him go in the first place? He was either injury prone, inconsistent, or had a propensity for all night parties or something?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: JollyCobbler on October 16, 2018, 19:05:13 pm
I would suggest that right there is why he has ended up playing in division 2. If he was consistent I don’t believe he would have been available for us to sign in the first place? How many people on here who saw the footage of him playing for Sc***horpe when we signed him wondered why they were prepared to let him go in the first place? He was either injury prone, inconsistent, or had a propensity for all night parties or something?

He's complex. ;)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on October 16, 2018, 19:13:50 pm
Commit? I was simply illustrating the point that your post can swing both ways. I never said I would admit I was wrong about Cornell's ability if he is not replaced in January. If you rate Cornell and he is replaced then why should that alter your opinion of his ability?

I'll change my opinion on him if he plays the second half of the season with very few (if any) goal-costing errors as it's the performances that matter, this has always been my stance.

No would have done Wordsworth !


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on October 16, 2018, 19:16:16 pm
The critical thing with KVV is that he has to do it every week .


Why?

What about the others? Special rules for a player you said would never play for us again?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on October 16, 2018, 19:22:52 pm
I would suggest that right there is why he has ended up playing in division 2.

The team he signed for and then picked to play when injured were not good enough as a whole to stay up. That's why he he is in L2. I personally don't think you can attribute much blame to van Veen.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3114 on October 17, 2018, 00:33:09 am
The team he signed for and then picked to play when injured were not good enough as a whole to stay up. That's why he he is in L2. I personally don't think you can attribute much blame to van Veen.
I wasn’t particularly blaming him Frank, just pointing out that given his obvious quality he clearly has a flaw of some sort otherwise he wouldn’t be in league 2, probably?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3245 on October 17, 2018, 01:12:49 am
I wasn’t particularly blaming him Frank, just pointing out that given his obvious quality he clearly has a flaw of some sort otherwise he wouldn’t be in league 2, probably?

He was in the Div2 team of the week, apparently......

Maybe, just maybe, our new Super-Curley-Cobblers will get the best out of him?

Then, either we get a zillion goals out of him, else, a zillion quid when he moves on into the Championship?



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 17, 2018, 09:33:00 am
He was in the Div2 team of the week, apparently......

Maybe, just maybe, our new Super-Curley-Cobblers will get the best out of him?

Then, either we get a zillion goals out of him, else, a zillion quid when he moves on into the Championship?



Dreamer


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on October 17, 2018, 10:39:36 am
I sit in the North and always clap the keeper. Why would I not? Supporting a player and not rating him are not mutually exclusive.

I'm afraid this is something that Evers seemingly doesn't seem to accept - not a Cornell debate here & I personally have never booed or resorted to personal insults of any players, managers or indeed owner of NTFC - however on a message board I think we are all entitled to express a respectful opinion (good or bad) without being called out by others - opinions that differ, right or wrong, informed or even those less well informed are the mainstay of healthy discussion aren't they?

For example I thought KVV was dreadful last season and expressed that in the odd post - we now actually know some of the reasons but the observations were not wrong whilst perhaps in hindsight some of the reasoning behind them were wrong - however labeling a thread VanBellend was fundamentally wrong in my opinion and the moderators respectfully acted on my message and changed the title.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest48 on October 17, 2018, 11:18:48 am
I'm afraid this is something that Evers seemingly doesn't seem to accept - not a Cornell debate here & I personally have never booed or resorted to personal insults of any players, managers or indeed owner of NTFC - however on a message board I think we are all entitled to express a respectful opinion (good or bad) without being called out by others - opinions that differ, right or wrong, informed or even those less well informed are the mainstay of healthy discussion aren't they?

Good post, different people have different views on certain players, it doesn't mean that they are blind to that player. I think that most people didn't rate KvV very highly last season, but in my opinion, this season, he's put in plenty of effort and that includes the Mansfield game where DA took him off at HT.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on October 17, 2018, 11:30:32 am
Good post, different people have different views on certain players, it doesn't mean that they are blind to that player. I think that most people didn't rate KvV very highly last season, but in my opinion, this season, he's put in plenty of effort and that includes the Mansfield game where DA took him off at HT.

Very good couple of posts!

Unfortunately Nevers seems to have his own insecurities that he struggles to deal with resulting in him mocking others for having a different opinion or not getting to some games.

I think most people resented KVV last year because it certainly appeared as though the effort was just not there for most of the time. For example would he have chased down the lost caused on Saturday which created the winning goal - My opinion is probably not.

That has been the big change on the face of it this year - I think the quality was always there, it was the perceived application and that's where Curle is getting more from him at the moment.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on October 17, 2018, 11:55:34 am
Good post, different people have different views on certain players, it doesn't mean that they are blind to that player. I think that most people didn't rate KvV very highly last season, but in my opinion, this season, he's put in plenty of effort and that includes the Mansfield game where DA took him off at HT.
I thought he was found lacking more against County in the previous match. Against Mansfield I thought he was putting the effort in and was surprised he got pulled at half-time like others.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: threeinabed on October 17, 2018, 12:00:20 pm
I thought he was found lacking more against County in the previous match. Against Mansfield I thought he was putting the effort in and was surprised he got pulled at half-time like others.

they said exactly this on radio northampton at half time - sammo said although not playing that well you couldnt fault his effort and he definitely didnt deserve to be subbed


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on October 17, 2018, 12:07:44 pm
I'm afraid this is something that Evers seemingly doesn't seem to accept - not a Cornell debate here & I personally have never booed or resorted to personal insults of any players, managers or indeed owner of NTFC - however on a message board I think we are all entitled to express a respectful opinion (good or bad) without being called out by others - opinions that differ, right or wrong, informed or even those less well informed are the mainstay of healthy discussion aren't they?

For example I thought KVV was dreadful last season and expressed that in the odd post - we now actually know some of the reasons but the observations were not wrong whilst perhaps in hindsight some of the reasoning behind them were wrong - however labeling a thread VanBellend was fundamentally wrong in my opinion and the moderators respectfully acted on my message and changed the title.
I think Evers was more getting at Clarence posting that he was sitting in the east against FG (hence his certainty over the 'Reid offside') rather than in the North as he states on this thread. Not that I speak for Evers.
Buys a ticket but sits where he wants then, or is not a season ticket holder and chooses his seat randomly.




Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on October 17, 2018, 13:15:41 pm
Why?

What about the others? Special rules for a player you said would never play for us again?
To someone who calls himself Ron Obvious I would have thought the reason he needs to perform consistently is in itself pretty obvious !
Of course it applies to all players but KVV has been inconsistent for both us and Sc***horpe which is why some managers here have dropped him and Sc***horpe didn’t renew his contract .
My simple point is , if KC can infiltrate his head and get last Saturdays performance level most weeks , we have one of the best players in division 2 .
At the end of the day he would be one of the highest paid players in the league and so you do expect that level of repayment .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on October 17, 2018, 16:25:12 pm
I think most people resented KVV last year because it certainly appeared as though the effort was just not there for most of the time. For example would he have chased down the lost caused on Saturday which created the winning goal - My opinion is probably not.

That has been the big change on the face of it this year - I think the quality was always there, it was the perceived application and that's where Curle is getting more from him at the moment.

Agree with this, though I felt VV was also showing good application before Curle arrived. Though he was excellent on Saturday, IMO his best performance so far this season was against Cambridge, and not just because he scored 2 goals, but because of his work-rate and the quality he showed all round.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 17, 2018, 16:41:33 pm
I would have thought the reason he needs to perform consistently is in itself pretty obvious ! Of course it applies to all players
Isn’t the problem that our other strikers are performing consistently, unfortunately consistently rubbish.
Before Van Veen came on and put an unmissable chance on Williams plate out of nothing it was yet another poor showing for the Hoskins/Williams strike force.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on October 17, 2018, 16:51:35 pm
they said exactly this on radio northampton at half time - sammo said although not playing that well you couldnt fault his effort and he definitely didnt deserve to be subbed


I only listened to Mansfield on the radio and from the commentary at least it sounded like he was putting a shift in and got booked for a tackle while trying to win back possession if I remember correctly. Not the actions of a player who was not trying or who didn't care about his performance or the result.

Sadly I think the subbing of VV in that match summed up probably the biggest and IMO fatal blind spots in Austin's management. While it goes without saying a player must have a good work rate however hard you work without the necessary quality/talent there's only so far you can go.

IMO Austin put too much emphasis on effort at the expense of quality. Sometimes whether someone is putting in the required effort can be a matter of opinion and it appeared from Austin's comments after Mansfield that he felt VV wasn't putting it in. Was he wrong? It seems many on here think so. Was this the only time he wrongly judged that a player wasn't putting in the required effort? I doubt that very much.




Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on October 17, 2018, 16:55:45 pm
I think Evers was more getting at Clarence posting that he was sitting in the east against FG (hence his certainty over the 'Reid offside') rather than in the North as he states on this thread. Not that I speak for Evers.
Buys a ticket but sits where he wants then, or is not a season ticket holder and chooses his seat randomly.




That's fair enough. I'm a ST holder but unfortunately on the odd occasion have arrived a few minutes after kick-off and found it easier to sit in the East until HT.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on October 17, 2018, 18:47:11 pm
That's fair enough. I'm a ST holder but unfortunately on the odd occasion have arrived a few minutes after kick-off and found it easier to sit in the East until HT.
You were sat in the East but behind the play.
Yes, it's very difficult getting to your seat in the North this season once we've kicked off... ;D
 


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 17, 2018, 19:53:45 pm
That's fair enough. I'm a ST holder but unfortunately on the odd occasion have arrived a few minutes after kick-off and found it easier to sit in the East until HT.

At least CJ reads the posts before commenting. I think Clarence's explanation on his dual seating arrangements for last week is admirable. No wonder Clarence's opinion on the potentially offside goal was so accurate.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 17, 2018, 19:58:43 pm
Very good couple of posts!

Unfortunately Nevers seems to have his own insecurities that he struggles to deal with resulting in him mocking others for having a different opinion or not getting to some games.

I think most people resented KVV last year because it certainly appeared as though the effort was just not there for most of the time. For example would he have chased down the lost caused on Saturday which created the winning goal - My opinion is probably not.

That has been the big change on the face of it this year - I think the quality was always there, it was the perceived application and that's where Curle is getting more from him at the moment.

Please stop issuing repeated personal snipes - please follow Cobblerswatch advice of being respectful to all posters.
Thank you.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 17, 2018, 20:32:21 pm
He’ll be our top scorer next season and by springtime there’ll be a VV away day where everyone is wearing a ginger beard and singing ‘when it spring again I’ll sing again Van Vein from Amsterdam’

Good ol Buster - lets hope your 'prophesy' is correct.



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Buster on October 17, 2018, 21:47:43 pm
Better get your ginger beard ordered before they all sell out


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on October 17, 2018, 23:10:14 pm
To someone who calls himself Ron Obvious I would have thought the reason he needs to perform consistently is in itself pretty obvious !
Of course it applies to all players but KVV has been inconsistent for both us and Sc***horpe which is why some managers here have dropped him and Sc***horpe didn’t renew his contract .
My simple point is , if KC can infiltrate his head and get last Saturdays performance level most weeks, we have one of the best players in division 2 .
At the end of the day he would be one of the highest paid players in the league and so you do expect that level of repayment .

So you have moved your personal requirements of the week in week out performance of van Veen from every week to most weeks. Far more reasonable! If only you had said that in the first place.  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on October 18, 2018, 08:41:39 am
Considering Mr Boots had some pretty nasty things to say on this very thread re vV it is a remarkable turnaround. Or is it going with the crowd 🏐🤾🏼‍♂️
As usual , you try and make this a personal thing .....
If a player starts performing to his capabilities and stops shirking then , of course you are going to get behind them whoever they are .
That applies to supporters and coaching staff .
There’s a lot of people currently digging out Cornell, Taylor and Hoskins on here . I’m not one of them but everyone is entitled to their opinion .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on October 18, 2018, 10:48:41 am
Please stop issuing repeated personal snipes - please follow Cobblerswatch advice of being respectful to all posters.
Thank you.

This is Classic from you Nevers!!!!

How about you take some of your own advice?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: WasRambo on October 18, 2018, 10:53:37 am
I said last season when he was (deservedly) getting pelters... there's a good player in there, somewhere. The big thing is how to unlock that.

I think VV will enjoy KC's "complex" comments, it adds to his "aura". If it gives him added swagger then great - I want my forwards confident - cocky even, not shy and worried about the next miss...


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 28, 2018, 22:05:54 pm
I said last season when he was (deservedly) getting pelters... there's a good player in there, somewhere. The big thing is how to unlock that.

I think VV will enjoy KC's "complex" comments, it adds to his "aura". If it gives him added swagger then great - I want my forwards confident - cocky even, not shy and worried about the next miss...

I thought that vV played ok today made some notable contributions. Was surprised how well he fell into his defensive duties which he put a good face on. Glad he played his part.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on October 28, 2018, 22:08:36 pm
I thought that vV played ok today made some notable contributions. Was surprised how well he fell into his defensive duties which he put a good face on. Glad he played his part.

I thought he had a great game, every kick from Cornell went to him and he dealt with them all well. He's a feisty one too.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 28, 2018, 22:42:51 pm
Please stop issuing repeated personal snipes - please follow Cobblerswatch advice of being respectful to all posters.
Thank you.
Just like you do of course..


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 28, 2018, 23:38:14 pm
Just like you do of course..

Bit of a delayed reaction - how come Johnny Come Lately ;D
Keep Up Dallas!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 29, 2018, 11:00:09 am
He strikes me of one of those "needs to be loved" characters. I'm convinced if we take him on board and get behind him, we'll reap the benefit.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on October 29, 2018, 17:07:42 pm
He strikes me of one of those "needs to be loved" characters. I'm convinced if we take him on board and get behind him, we'll reap the benefit.

Absolutely, I still think he needs to be careful with his reaction to players fouling him and winding him up. Always a yellow card in him and I still think he will see red at some point this season. Having said that he is one if not the most skillful players we have and will win us games with his class.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 29, 2018, 17:35:27 pm
He strikes me of one of those "needs to be loved" characters. I'm convinced if we take him on board and get behind him, we'll reap the benefit.

I think some on here will have a mountain to climb to get to the 'love in' stage.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: FezNTFC on October 30, 2018, 00:02:17 am
I think some on here will have a mountain to climb to get to the 'love in' stage.
The vast majority of fans will get behind him if he produces the goods, there is no conspiracy theory. Supporters are willing to change their mind on players. We've seen it with the likes of JJOT, Kelvin Langmead and Rod McDonald, who were really not liked at first but all ended up with cult status. We've seen it with KvV to an extent already.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on October 30, 2018, 18:52:28 pm
I think some on here will have a mountain to climb to get to the 'love in' stage.
I disagree .
It’s all about effort on the pitch where he is concerned and you can’t question his commitment recently .
It’s the same with Turnbull .
It doesn’t take a lot for it to turn around .
The manager is the key with VV - psychology is so important in football or any type of man management in any walk of life .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 30, 2018, 19:01:46 pm
The vast majority of fans will get behind him if he produces the goods, there is no conspiracy theory. Supporters are willing to change their mind on players. We've seen it with the likes of JJOT, Kelvin Langmead and Rod McDonald, who were really not liked at first but all ended up with cult status. We've seen it with KvV to an extent already.

I am sure most will get behind him and why should there be a conspiracy theory? You can view the first half a dozen pages of this thread which is quite a fun read!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 30, 2018, 19:57:19 pm
Last season he looked like he didn't give a toss. People didn't like that about him and thought we'd be better off without him.
This season he's looked bothered. People like that about him.
Just like any decision people might have made in the past, when the situation changes they can change their minds. This applies in all aspects of life. Do you understand?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3230 on October 30, 2018, 20:51:14 pm
Last season he looked like he didn't give a toss. People didn't like that about him and thought we'd be better off without him.
This season he's looked bothered. People like that about him.
Just like any decision people might have made in the past, when the situation changes they can change their minds. This applies in all aspects of life. Do you understand?

Can't make it clearer than that.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 30, 2018, 20:58:16 pm
Last season he looked like he didn't give a toss. People didn't like that about him and thought we'd be better off without him.
This season he's looked bothered. People like that about him.
Just like any decision people might have made in the past, when the situation changes they can change their minds. This applies in all aspects of life. Do you understand?

Yep - I get your drift. Personally I think that some of the original criticism at least from some was somewhat OTT. What is generally forgotten is that vV was injured at AFC and was out injured for a few games. He played well at AFC and his subsequent form deteriorated probably because he was still carrying an injury. People are entitled to change their minds; you make it all sound so easy when in some aspects of life this is not always the case. I hope you understand my point of view?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 30, 2018, 21:11:59 pm
Rarely.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on October 31, 2018, 22:02:49 pm
Unfortunately I think KVV is going continually alternate between delighting and frustrating us - undoubtably a talent and at his best alway should be in the starting XI - but possibly perhaps a luxury we can’t afford.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on October 31, 2018, 23:16:09 pm
Unfortunately I think KVV is going continually alternate between delighting and frustrating us - undoubtably a talent and at his best alway should be in the starting XI - but possibly perhaps a luxury we can’t afford.

I remember the Skunny post saying he is either loved or not! After recent performaces that just about sums it up! For example the Chron gave him 8/10 last Sat which effectively suggests he won the match for us last Sat which is a tad debatable. Some of the more perceptive critics on here appear to have taken to him and he is probably our ace hope for achieving promotion this season. I am not sure if any of the other players have his ability and charisma except perhaps Crooks. I look upon him as an investment! You seem to be a hedge sitter.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on November 01, 2018, 07:59:21 am
I remember the Skunny post saying he is either loved or not! After recent performaces that just about sums it up! For example the Chron gave him 8/10 last Sat which effectively suggests he won the match for us last Sat which is a tad debatable. Some of the more perceptive critics on here appear to have taken to him and he is probably our ace hope for achieving promotion this season. I am not sure if any of the other players have his ability and charisma except perhaps Crooks. I look upon him as an investment! You seem to be a hedge sitter.
Get his head on board and we have a chance .
Without him we don’t have enough to make an impression goals wise .
It’s as simple as that


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 01, 2018, 11:01:00 am
the Chron gave him 8/10 last Sat

That's where most of us stopped reading your point. Can we stick to decent sources for our comments.  8)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on November 01, 2018, 11:15:42 am
I look upon him as an investment! You seem to be a hedge sitter.

Fair comment - I just find players like that extremely frustrating - interesting, and not my words, but from Martin Smith when commentating says pretty much the same thing


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: just.reading on November 01, 2018, 11:26:25 am
Unfortunately I think KVV is going continually alternate between delighting and frustrating us - undoubtably a talent and at his best alway should be in the starting XI - but possibly perhaps a luxury we can’t afford.

Who else is going to score the goals? Crooks has 5 but surely cannot rely on him scoring 20+?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on November 01, 2018, 11:57:38 am
Who else is going to score the goals? Crooks has 5 but surely cannot rely on him scoring 20+?

Again, it is a fair question but I personally don't think it is going to be KVV - he scored 19 goals in 94 appearances for Sc***horpe - his goal to game ratio has to improve massively to achieve the 20 plus target - I'd love to be wrong but I just don't see it.

Unfortunately whilst Andy William always puts in an honest shift anything more than very low double figures is likely to be wishful thinking - and then you are left with a collection of goal contributions from midfielders and defenders.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on November 01, 2018, 13:47:10 pm
That's where most of us stopped reading your point. Can we stick to decent sources for our comments.  8)

Actually Tel, I enjoy reading the Chrons version of the game the reporter is a paid  professional sports writer! In short I often find them a reasonable accurate report of the game. I agree that some of the  opinions on the game on here are informed and are always an enjoyable read. I agree tho’ that it is naive to quote the Chron on here!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on November 01, 2018, 14:19:49 pm
I don't bother with the Chron anymore. Too many adverts and other crap. Shame how downhill they have gone.

van Veen is on target for 15/16 goals this season. I would hope this would pick up a little in a winning confident team.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on November 01, 2018, 14:41:42 pm
I don't bother with the Chron anymore. Too many adverts and other crap. Shame how downhill they have gone.

van Veen is on target for 15/16 goals this season. I would hope this would pick up a little in a winning confident team.

I dont bother with the paper only the web site which is easy to access whilst on the Forum!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on November 01, 2018, 17:35:07 pm
Again, it is a fair question but I personally don't think it is going to be KVV - he scored 19 goals in 94 appearances for Sc***horpe - his goal to game ratio has to improve massively to achieve the 20 plus target - I'd love to be wrong but I just don't see it.

Unfortunately whilst Andy William always puts in an honest shift anything more than very low double figures is likely to be wishful thinking - and then you are left with a collection of goal contributions from midfielders and defenders.

Van Veen has 5 in 11 starts + 4 sub appearances. He's pretty close to being on track for 20 this season. I expect him to do better from here on in now the team as a whole is beginning to improve under Curle and fancy him to reach his target.

Morias has only played a bit part so far, he could well weigh in when he returns and don't write off Andy Williams. His record was good in L1, unfortunately for him he missed the best part of a season due to injury so at a quick glance his stats may look a bit ropey. They're not.

Certain players are beginning to play with more confidence under Curle. JJOT (now he's actually playing at full fitness), McWilliams (now he is in the team), Powell (if he is going to be get chances as a second striker especially) and Waters can all begin to contribute from here on in. Even Pierre could well get close to double figures at the rate he's going.

Then of course there's Crooks.

I don't think goals are going to be a problem from here on in.

Also worth noting that MK have only scored 2 more goals than Cobblers and they sit in second. Yes, they've only conceded 10 in 16 so far so they can afford to not score as many, unlike our 'leaky' defence, right?

However since Curle has come in we have conceded 4 in 6 (and 1 of those was a direct free-kick). That's an almost comparable record. The way things are going I fancy us to continue to be as difficult to score against as we have been in the last 6 matches, especially when Curle is able to make a couple of 'tweaks' in January.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 01, 2018, 22:36:18 pm
Time for a Van Veen hatrick me thinks........


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on November 01, 2018, 23:46:30 pm
Time for a Van Veen hatrick me thinks........
He's here to save us.
That headed assist for JJ's header last week  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on November 02, 2018, 01:09:12 am
Time for a Van Veen hatrick me thinks........

Any decent odds love to make a 100 or two £!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 02, 2018, 05:30:27 am
Any decent odds love to make a 100 or two £!

Only 40/1 with Hills. I usually do it along with my other standard bet which also never comes in - BTTS in all 3pm Conference (National League games), that’s about 1200/1 this week.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: threeinabed on November 02, 2018, 07:44:22 am
Only 40/1 with Hills. I usually do it along with my other standard bet which also never comes in - BTTS in all 3pm Conference (National League games), that’s about 1200/1 this week.

time to give up gambling i think wadey!!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Monkey on November 03, 2018, 17:31:38 pm
I like that the first thing KvV did after the 2nd goal went in was complain that Powell didn't square it.

Do they do retrospective red cards in L2?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Cobbler78 on November 03, 2018, 17:54:58 pm
He should’ve come off rather than Williams, it was clear to see he had downed tools in strop for whatever reason, now he might even face a ban after letting frustration get the better of him (if the FA do retrospective punishment in L2)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3063 on November 03, 2018, 18:11:01 pm
I like that the first thing KvV did after the 2nd goal went in was complain that Powell didn't square it.

Do they do retrospective red cards in L2?

No.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Irchy cob on November 03, 2018, 18:31:20 pm
He did seem to be even more stroppy than normal today - great play for the first goal but was incredibly stupid in injury time and was massively lucky that the referee didn’t take action.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on November 03, 2018, 18:55:14 pm
He did seem to be even more stroppy than normal today - great play for the first goal but was incredibly stupid in injury time and was massively lucky that the referee didn’t take action.
What did he do? I saw Artell immediately go mental but didn't see the crime.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Irchy cob on November 03, 2018, 19:00:53 pm
What did he do? I saw Artell immediately go mental but didn't see the crime.

Raised arm in the face of their right back, it was deliberate too as he’d been wound up by him seconds earlier - I can’t believe the referee missed it.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on November 03, 2018, 19:06:40 pm
Raised arm in the face of their right back, it was deliberate too as he’d been wound up by him seconds earlier - I can’t believe the referee missed it.
Ok cheers.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 03, 2018, 19:07:44 pm
What did he do? I saw Artell immediately go mental but didn't see the crime.
elbowed their right back. Artell wigged out


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest49 on November 03, 2018, 19:26:33 pm
I was right in front of it. There was barely contact backed up by how the player leapt to his feet. Intent, yes.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on November 03, 2018, 19:29:48 pm
elbowed their right back. Artell wigged out
JJ had their keeper in a full Nelson second half, ref missed that as well.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Irchy cob on November 03, 2018, 19:41:27 pm
I was right in front of it. There was barely contact backed up by how the player leapt to his feet. Intent, yes.

So was I - it wasn't an elbow just a deliberate flailing arm and I agree their player made the most of it but intent is all there needs to be for a red card.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on November 03, 2018, 19:45:33 pm
So was I - it wasn't an elbow just a deliberate flailing arm and I agree their player made the most of it but intent is all there needs to be for a red card.

Last week we got a red that wasn't. Rough with the smooth.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Buster on November 04, 2018, 07:47:23 am
I like that the first thing KvV did after the 2nd goal went in was complain that Powell didn't square it.


Watching it back, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player look so put-out after his team have just scored?  He’s clearly not a player who’s happy not to score providing the team win. His reluctant trudge across to his celebrating team mates demonstrates that. 

A burning desire to score goals is a good trait for any striker, but I hope not to the extent that he’d prefer being on the losing side, providing he scores a goal or two?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Winslow Lee on November 04, 2018, 08:28:54 am
Watching it back, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player look so put-out after his team have just scored?  He’s clearly not a player who’s happy not to score providing the team win. His reluctant trudge across to his celebrating team mates demonstrates that. 

You clearly have not watched Christiano Ronaldo play football then!.
I think the second point is harsh too, With Powell’s shot going in Kvv’s reaction does look ridiculous but in theory he was probably right in that the most likely way to guarantee a goal in that situation was for Powell to square it for the simple tap in, he also has the most assists for the club this season which surely proves he’s a team player and not just about scoring for himself.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on November 04, 2018, 10:56:54 am
he also has the most assists for the club this season which surely proves he’s a team player and not just about scoring for himself.

Stop spoiling things with the facts  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: corno_ntfc on November 04, 2018, 11:06:12 am
KvV explained post match that at the time, he felt Powell squaring it was the best option.

Had no complaints that he hit the net.

Shame he wasn't so clinical away at MK Dons.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: FezNTFC on November 04, 2018, 11:46:09 am
The guy is working hard, and pretty much getting a goal or an assist every game. If the price to pay for what we know is a 'complex character' is a five second strop because he wanted a tap-in goal that his performance deserved, then I'm fine with that!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dan on November 04, 2018, 11:55:43 am
That Fez in a nutshell is how I feel about this.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on November 04, 2018, 12:13:40 pm
I would like to see him and Hildeberto Pereira work together in our front line. Come back Berto  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: AbingtonCobbler on November 04, 2018, 13:31:43 pm
Kev is a class act

Don’t worry you won’t have to moan after January when he has moved on

We will miss him so much


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest47 on November 04, 2018, 13:51:00 pm
Watching it back, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player look so put-out after his team have just scored?  He’s clearly not a player who’s happy not to score providing the team win. His reluctant trudge across to his celebrating team mates demonstrates that. 

A burning desire to score goals is a good trait for any striker, but I hope not to the extent that he’d prefer being on the losing side, providing he scores a goal or two?

He's joined in plenty of other goal celebrations.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 05, 2018, 12:13:28 pm
The guy is working hard, and pretty much getting a goal or an assist every game. If the price to pay for what we know is a 'complex character' is a five second strop because he wanted a tap-in goal that his performance deserved, then I'm fine with that!

Yep.. Summed up nicely.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Gen.Disorda on November 05, 2018, 13:59:06 pm
The guy is working hard, and pretty much getting a goal or an assist every game. If the price to pay for what we know is a 'complex character' is a five second strop because he wanted a tap-in goal that his performance deserved, then I'm fine with that!

My feelings exactly.

Ronaldo does the same and hes the 2nd best player in the world , possibly ever.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: DrillingCobbler on November 05, 2018, 14:50:46 pm
My feelings exactly.

Ronaldo does the same and hes the 2nd best player in the world , possibly ever.

I agree. Messi is a distant 3rd. But both are insignificant when compared to our John Joe.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on November 06, 2018, 07:28:07 am
The guy is working hard, and pretty much getting a goal or an assist every game. If the price to pay for what we know is a 'complex character' is a five second strop because he wanted a tap-in goal that his performance deserved, then I'm fine with that!

Again agreed - no concern about that little strop which is a sign of a winner - slightly more concerned on the cliff edge he walks re a degree of retribution against opposition players.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Winslow Lee on December 05, 2018, 17:34:35 pm
Surely where possible he must start every game and playing up front not out wide. We look so completely toothless without him especially with Crooks out injured.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on December 05, 2018, 18:06:06 pm
Nine goals now, just eleven more to go with well over half the season left.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: memyhead on December 05, 2018, 21:56:12 pm
KVV & Morias up front v Crawley

Agree that KVV must play centrally to get the best out of him


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: WasRambo on December 06, 2018, 08:30:14 am
Nine goals now, just eleven more to go with well over half the season left.

Haha. he's going to be bl00dy unbearable if - no when - he gets his 20th.

I don't mind though....


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Wolvo on December 06, 2018, 09:42:45 am
I'm happy I weren't one of the bellends who abused him when he was playing through an injury. Our fans must be up there with the thickest in the country.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: andy scouse on December 06, 2018, 10:01:23 am
The cobblers fans are definitely top of the tree in terms of slagging off home players, anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on December 06, 2018, 12:53:10 pm
I'm happy I weren't one of the bellends who abused him when he was playing through an injury. Our fans must be up there with the thickest in the country.
Like Dean Austin and the coaching staff did do you mean ?
Glad he is committed again .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on December 06, 2018, 13:25:07 pm
I'm happy I weren't one of the bellends who abused him when he was playing through an injury. Our fans must be up there with the thickest in the country.

Agreed but I think there is a distinct difference between abuse and reasonable comment/observations on the way a player is performing.

I'm more than happy to admit I was less than impressed with his performance, work rate and general attitude last season (the club saw fit to mention nothing about the injury) but that is miles away from some of the abuse directed at him, Hoskins and Cornell.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 06, 2018, 18:18:47 pm
He was one of the laziest players I've ever seen last season. Couldn't care less if he was carrying an injury, shouldn't have been on the pitch then. This season, a complete revelation. Opinions can change when the situation changes


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2677 on December 06, 2018, 18:25:37 pm
He was one of the laziest players I've ever seen last season. Couldn't care less if he was carrying an injury, shouldn't have been on the pitch then. This season, a complete revelation. Opinions can change when the situation changes
Any chance you're just a bit slow on the uptake Marquis?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on December 06, 2018, 18:45:14 pm
Couldn't care less if he was carrying an injury, shouldn't have been on the pitch then.

It's hardly his fault if he got picked? If anything, we should applaud him for playing knowing he was injured.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on December 06, 2018, 20:17:08 pm
Like Dean Austin and the coaching staff did do you mean ?
Glad he is committed again .

Agreed, injury is one thing. Lack of effort and commitment is something else entirely. Good to see the commitments levels are now where they should be most of the time.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 06, 2018, 22:15:29 pm
It's hardly his fault if he got picked? If anything, we should applaud him for playing knowing he was injured.
yeah thanks kev for jeopardising our survival attempt


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 06, 2018, 22:15:47 pm
Any chance you're just a bit slow on the uptake Marquis?
nah. he was definitely not bothered whatseoever last season


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest2995 on December 06, 2018, 22:34:33 pm
Matt Crooks was also injured when he played at the end of last season but was committed .
KVV didn’t want to play or train through the niggle.
DA lost patience with him .
The player is an enigma but we need him right now and I hope he stays .


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on December 06, 2018, 23:35:29 pm
Matt Crooks was also injured when he played at the end of last season but was committed .


Is every injury the same then?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on December 06, 2018, 23:38:22 pm
yeah thanks kev for jeopardising our survival attempt

You misspelt Dean.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Gen.Disorda on December 07, 2018, 08:06:42 am
Struggling with fitness can be seen as a lack of effort,

Also you don't know what instructions he was given, The manager could have quite easily said to sniff around the box and not burn yourself out chasing down.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on December 08, 2018, 16:43:34 pm
10 now for Kev. How many other players have reached 10 goals for the cobblers in recent years?

Bayo, Richards ?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dan on December 08, 2018, 17:04:49 pm
Confident that he'll be our top scorer by a comfortable margin.

 >:D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 08, 2018, 17:33:14 pm
>:D

Well, Dan, I'll see your August 12th and raise you my April 28th....;-)

I genuinely rate Van Veen as a good player and, if we can keep hold of him, think that next year he could be the 20 goal a season striker we've been missing.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on December 08, 2018, 17:46:46 pm
10 now for Kev. How many other players have reached 10 goals for the cobblers in recent years?

Bayo, Richards ?

Helps his tally that he's the penalty taker though.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on December 08, 2018, 18:04:21 pm
Helps his tally that he's the penalty taker though.

Nominate an alternative player - plenty to chose from?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 08, 2018, 18:16:21 pm
10 now for Kev. How many other players have reached 10 goals for the cobblers in recent years?

Bayo, Richards ?
Is that league or overall? I've got him for ew league top scorer at 70/1 so I like to know how my investment is going


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: crazycobbler on December 08, 2018, 18:29:11 pm
Is that league or overall? I've got him for ew league top scorer at 70/1 so I like to know how my investment is going

7 in the league I believe. However James Norwood already has 15 in the league so unfortunately it’s not looking too good.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 08, 2018, 18:30:32 pm
I only need him to finish top 3 for profit  8)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on December 08, 2018, 18:59:00 pm
Is that league or overall? I've got him for ew league top scorer at 70/1 so I like to know how my investment is going

You worried about yr fiver?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on December 08, 2018, 19:29:32 pm
Helps his tally that he's the penalty taker though.

Yes, but so were Bayo and Richards.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Dan on December 08, 2018, 23:53:02 pm
Well, Dan, I'll see your August 12th and raise you my April 28th....;-)


You beauty haha. Fine work  :D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Wolvo on December 09, 2018, 10:51:07 am
Yes, but so were Bayo and Richards.

Not sure it helped Richards much..  He always seemed to miss!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Charlatan on December 09, 2018, 12:13:09 pm
Helps his tally that he's the penalty taker though.
Exactly. The clue is your name :)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Manwork04 on December 09, 2018, 12:13:55 pm
Not sure it helped Richards much..  He always seemed to miss!
Yep can still see that one going over the bar at Walsall.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Ron Obvious on December 15, 2018, 11:21:03 am
Not sure it helped Richards much..  He always seemed to miss!

He did indeed miss a few but in a time when we seemed to be awarded more. Hopefully some helpful stato can confirm or deny.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 21, 2019, 10:24:01 am
(https://media.giphy.com/media/I4Jmrcjnr8Zfq/giphy.gif)

KvV not happy at Sc***horpe so hope we will bring him back!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: memyhead on May 21, 2019, 10:33:05 am
KvV not happy at Sc***horpe so hope we will bring him back!

I don't...he didn't even want to be here the first time  ::)

Much rather we get in Ashley Nadesan from Fleetwood...


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on May 21, 2019, 10:43:39 am
Van Veen leaves league 1 to come to us in League 1, gets relegated and isn't happy.

Van Veen sees League 2 season start badly with no chance of promotion and isn't happy.

Van Veen leaves League 2 Northampton to go to League 1 Scunny, is used sparingly, mostly off the bench.

Van Veen sees Scunny relegated from League 1 to League 2

Van Veen isn't happy!

Van Veen thinks he's better than he actually is!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2019, 10:46:02 am
Van Veen leaves league 1 to come to us in League 2, doesn't get promoted and isn't happy.

Van Veen leaves League 2 Northampton to go to League 1 Scunny, is used sparingly, mostly off the bench.

Van Veen sees Scunny relegated from League 1 to League 2

Van Veen isn't happy!

Van Veen thinks he's better than he actually is!
I don't know about thinking he's better than he actually is. But he does think he's better than L2 level - and he's been consistent in that.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on May 21, 2019, 10:50:06 am
Van Veen leaves league 1 to come to us in League 2, doesn't get promoted and isn't happy.

Van Veen leaves League 2 Northampton to go to League 1 Scunny, is used sparingly, mostly off the bench.

Van Veen sees Scunny relegated from League 1 to League 2

Van Veen isn't happy!

Van Veen thinks he's better than he actually is!

We signed Van Veen when we still in L1 and he was carrying an injury for the rest of the season. He was mostly very good last season before moving back to Sc***horpe. Not sure of his attitude but would be delighted to have a player of his quality in the squad next year.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: bpcobbler on May 21, 2019, 10:51:48 am
Van Veen leaves league 1 to come to us in League 2, doesn't get promoted and isn't happy.

Van Veen leaves League 2 Northampton to go to League 1 Scunny, is used sparingly, mostly off the bench.

Van Veen sees Scunny relegated from League 1 to League 2

Van Veen isn't happy!

Van Veen thinks he's better than he actually is!

We were league 1 when he joined us...


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on May 21, 2019, 10:58:38 am
We were league 1 when he joined us...

Lol....he played so often for us in League 1 i'd actually forgotten about that part of his spell!! (10 appearances 0 goals)  Original post corrected!!  ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 21, 2019, 12:16:08 pm
..........................

Van Veen thinks he's better than he actually is!

That is a reasonable assumption one of the few players we have signed who had some quality to show. Would pay for his fee to come back if I won the lottery - mind  you big time win!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: just.reading on May 21, 2019, 12:23:33 pm
Over the last 2 season he has scored 6 goals in 44 L1 games. Not sure why he thinks he's too good for L2?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 21, 2019, 13:30:53 pm
He needs to put in a decent shift somewhere. Then perhaps he will get the respect he clearly believes he deserves.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 21, 2019, 14:08:25 pm
He needs to put in a decent shift somewhere. Then perhaps he will get the respect he clearly believes he deserves.

Thought he did that this season; 4th in player ratings! Liked his cameo performance against FGreen as well. Best penalty taker we have ever had!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on May 21, 2019, 15:41:00 pm
Thought he did that this season; 4th in player ratings! Liked his cameo performance against FGreen as well. Best penalty taker we have ever had!

No way. Roy Hunter for me.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 21, 2019, 16:13:00 pm
No way. Roy Hunter for me.

Better still Cliff Holton - who incidentally thought  he was too good for the old 3rd Div. Never stopped him from scoring 35 goals in one season.
Trouble with Roy he was very injury prone.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3086 on May 21, 2019, 18:09:48 pm
He doesn't need football anymore. The 'More than' ads earn him a fortune and vocals for The National are the icing on his cake.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Cordwainer2 on May 21, 2019, 18:17:02 pm
Best Penalty taker, check the records. Theo Foley!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on May 21, 2019, 19:52:34 pm
Better still Cliff Holton - who incidentally thought  he was too good for the old 3rd Div. Never stopped him from scoring 35 goals in one season.
Trouble with Roy he was very injury prone.

What's that got to do with his ability to take a penalty?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Manwork04 on May 21, 2019, 20:02:20 pm
What's that got to do with his ability to take a penalty?
;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 21, 2019, 20:28:33 pm
For somebody that think's he's too good for this league he seems to end up in a lot.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: NTFC Nut on May 21, 2019, 20:37:49 pm
Relegated twice in 12 months to a league he's too good for  ;D :D ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: WadeyCobbler on May 21, 2019, 21:37:56 pm
Best penalty taker? I'm going Dave Gilbert. Think he scored 9 or 10 in the 86/87 title winning season which I'm sure was a club record penalties scored in a season. Chard took a couple and missed.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 21, 2019, 22:49:36 pm
What's that got to do with his ability to take a penalty?

Quite a lot - have you ever tried kicking a ball when injured.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 21, 2019, 22:56:57 pm
Best Penalty taker, check the records. Theo Foley!

Well he had a 100yd run up and was always straight down the middle. Saw him miss at QPR but he was injured ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 23, 2019, 00:57:42 am
Best penalty taker? I'm going Dave Gilbert. Think he scored 9 or 10 in the 86/87 title winning season which I'm sure was a club record penalties scored in a season. Chard took a couple and missed.

I'd suggest the best penalty taker this club ever produced is a certain Philip Neal. ;)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on May 23, 2019, 08:12:33 am
KvV is exactly the type of player we don’t need in our situation - and Evers the injury excuse whilst having some merit re his first few games wears a bit thin - he’s a player with some undoubted talent but certainly not a team player or one who puts in an honest shift - he will cruise around the lower divisions here or in Europe for a few more seasons but very unlikely to realize the talent he was born with.

I contrast his attitude with that of Neil Grayson - and I think most supporters who recognize what’s needed in the lower divisions would favor him by a country mile - modest and not up his own arse either!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 23, 2019, 08:32:29 am
KvV is exactly the type of player we don’t need in our situation - and Evers the injury excuse whilst having some merit re his first few games wears a bit thin - he’s a player with some undoubted talent but certainly not a team player or one who puts in an honest shift - he will cruise around the lower divisions here or in Europe for a few more seasons but very unlikely to realize the talent he was born with.

I contrast his attitude with that of Neil Grayson - and I think most supporters who recognize what’s needed in the lower divisions would favor him by a country mile - modest and not up his own arse either!

It’s all about opinions- as for a team player he did a lot for the team v FGR and Andy Williams first goal.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 23, 2019, 08:35:01 am
What's that got to do with his ability to take a penalty?

Southgate’s policy towards penalty takers is that they must be fit and comfortable to strike.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 23, 2019, 11:16:01 am

It’s all about opinions- as for a team player he did a lot for the team v FGR and Andy Williams first goal.
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Surely the fact you can narrow his contributions to such a degree, it says it all really. ;D ;)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: crazycobbler on May 23, 2019, 11:38:32 am
KvV is exactly the type of player we don’t need in our situation - and Evers the injury excuse whilst having some merit re his first few games wears a bit thin - he’s a player with some undoubted talent but certainly not a team player or one who puts in an honest shift - he will cruise around the lower divisions here or in Europe for a few more seasons but very unlikely to realize the talent he was born with.

I contrast his attitude with that of Neil Grayson - and I think most supporters who recognize what’s needed in the lower divisions would favor him by a country mile - modest and not up his own arse either!

Agreed. To me he’s a bit of a passenger. He has the quality to produce great moments but he doesn’t do it consistently enough to offset the times when he’s completely out of the game. His positioning is also frustrating as he loves to get involved with the play 30/35 yards from goal. He’ll never be a 20 goal a season man playing that way. Needs to get into the box far more to threaten defences in my opinion.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 23, 2019, 11:46:48 am


Surely the fact you can narrow his contributions to such a degree, it says it all really. ;D ;)

Even allowing for your inflexible narrow thinking I find it a bit rich for somebody who rarely goes to home games  to have a reasonable  accurate opinion on a player you probably haven't seen play. As for the comparison made above f you bother to look at some of the comments for period from August 18 to December 18 you will find several decent reports. In short it is an example . Lighten up old chap  ::)


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 23, 2019, 11:54:45 am
.............................He’ll never be a 20 goal a season man playing that way. Needs to get into the box far more to threaten defences in my opinion.

Agreed but at Christmas he had scored 10 goals but there was a fair chance he would add to that tally.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 23, 2019, 21:41:42 pm
Even allowing for your inflexible narrow thinking I find it a bit rich for somebody who rarely goes to home games  to have a reasonable  accurate opinion on a player you probably haven't seen play. As for the comparison made above f you bother to look at some of the comments for period from August 18 to December 18 you will find several decent reports. In short it is an example . Lighten up old chap  ::)

What are you blathering on about? ;D


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: NTFC87 on May 23, 2019, 21:51:02 pm
On paper a great signing but on the pitch absolute  kack he thought and said that he was to good for league 2 and would get us 20 goals and he was probably on target to get that and then thank fook he fooked off


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 23, 2019, 22:39:31 pm
On paper a great signing but on the pitch absolute  kack he thought and said that he was to good for league 2 and would get us 20 goals and he was probably on target to get that and then thank fook he fooked off

Clear as mud - do you do a lot of underwater work?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: west stand oap on May 24, 2019, 18:46:45 pm
Personally I was not upset to see van Veen or Crookes depart in January as neither were 90 minute players and the amount of yellow cards each received was rediculous considering their positions. Like a lot of supporters I prefer a fully commited 90 minute tryer to a player who flits in and out of games even if said player is more technically gifted. Both considered they were better than they actually are and not surprised that both ended the season being relegated.
Another who did not want to play in division 2, and left immediately, was O'Donnell who was a poor replacement for Ingram and having now finished 24th in division 1 again relegated.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: BMON on May 24, 2019, 19:51:39 pm
Personally I was not upset to see van Veen or Crookes depart in January as neither were 90 minute players and the amount of yellow cards each received was rediculous considering their positions. Like a lot of supporters I prefer a fully commited 90 minute tryer to a player who flits in and out of games even if said player is more technically gifted. Both considered they were better than they actually are and not surprised that both ended the season being relegated.
Another who did not want to play in division 2, and left immediately, was O'Donnell who was a poor replacement for Ingram and having now finished 24th in division 1 again relegated.


+1


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest1269 on May 24, 2019, 20:08:20 pm

+1

Et moi......


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3293 on May 24, 2019, 21:28:29 pm
Et moi......

Magnifique!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 25, 2019, 18:12:45 pm

It’s all about opinions- as for a team player he did a lot for the team v FGR and Andy Williams first goal.
what he did for that goal is the absolute minimum a player should be contributing. He ran and passed the ball.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: NTFC87 on May 25, 2019, 18:17:53 pm
what he did for that goal is the absolute minimum a player should be contributing. He ran and passed the ball.
+1


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Larry on May 25, 2019, 21:17:17 pm
I thought he put himself about a bit towards the end of his stay with us. He was a feisty character and reminded me of Marquis. It was never going to work with us because of the connection with JFH and accusations of arrogance at the end of the previous season. I reckon he'll do a good job given a decent chance and good luck to him.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on May 26, 2019, 09:38:15 am
Quite a lot - have you ever tried kicking a ball when injured.

So what are you saying? To qualify to be the best penalty taker, you have to be 100% fit, 100% of the time.

How ridiculous.
Which, by the way would rule out KVV


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 26, 2019, 10:37:13 am
So what are you saying? To qualify to be the best penalty taker, you have to be 100% fit, 100% of the time.

How ridiculous.
Which, by the way would rule out KVV

How ridiculous for you to quote to be 100% fit, 100% of the time'. I did not. For me I merely follow Southgate's guide for players taking penalties. Not yours ::) KVV is only ruled out by your terms.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 26, 2019, 10:50:31 am
what he did for that goal is the absolute minimum a player should be contributing. He ran and passed the ball.

From where I sat; he did not give up on a lost cause , dispossessed their player and actually gave a good pass to AWilliams who scored. A goal out of nowhere! Perhaps you were thinking of AWilliams who merely had to tap the ball in. If all Cobbs players followed that example we might have been better off point wise.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on May 26, 2019, 21:27:59 pm
How ridiculous for you to quote to be 100% fit, 100% of the time'. I did not. For me I merely follow Southgate's guide for players taking penalties. Not yours ::) KVV is only ruled out by your terms.


No. They were your terms.

You're the one who dismissed Roy Hunter's penalty acumen on the grounds of injury, not me. I merely pointed out that on such grounds KVV would be excluded as well. (as indeed would any player - which is why it's ridiculous).

As for Southgate's guide. If a player isn't fit he won't be on the pitch in the first place and I would suggest that any team's penalty take is comfortable striking the ball.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 27, 2019, 08:13:25 am
No. They were your terms.

You're the one who dismissed Roy Hunter's penalty acumen on the grounds of injury, not me. I merely pointed out that on such grounds KVV would be excluded as well. (as indeed would any player - which is why it's ridiculous).

As for Southgate's guide. If a player isn't fit he won't be on the pitch in the first place and I would suggest that any team's penalty take is comfortable striking the ball.


I merely said Hunter was injury prone and you decided to embellish that with made up %’s  and other criteria to suit your argument  I hope you realise most opinions are subjective? KvV was a catalyst to our mini revival with 10 goals prior to Xmas & one of the few players we had capable of exhibiting a bit of class. He was also a strong penalty taker!


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: Monkey on May 27, 2019, 12:42:33 pm
No. They were your terms.

You're the one who dismissed Roy Hunter's penalty acumen on the grounds of injury, not me. I merely pointed out that on such grounds KVV would be excluded as well. (as indeed would any player - which is why it's ridiculous).

As for Southgate's guide. If a player isn't fit he won't be on the pitch in the first place and I would suggest that any team's penalty take is comfortable striking the ball.

Surely any pro footballer should be comfortable striking a ball... leon Constantine aside



Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 28, 2019, 18:08:03 pm
From where I sat; he did not give up on a lost cause , dispossessed their player and actually gave a good pass to AWilliams who scored. A goal out of nowhere! Perhaps you were thinking of AWilliams who merely had to tap the ball in. If all Cobbs players followed that example we might have been better off point wise.
yeah now you say it i mist have got mixed up between the two  ::) We're better off without van Veen - just like Scuthorpe were


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 28, 2019, 22:32:24 pm
yeah now you say it i mist have got mixed up between the two  ::) We're better off without van Veen - just like Scuthorpe were

Happens to us all; they do look similar  ::) . What have you got against a forward who scores 10 goals before Christmas?


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 29, 2019, 16:11:00 pm
he didn't give a fock while here and was only scoring goals pre-christmas for a move in the window

and i obviously did not get the two mixed up but once more a comment flies over your head


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 29, 2019, 20:19:19 pm
he didn't give a fock while here and was only scoring goals pre-christmas for a move in the window

and i obviously did not get the two mixed up but once more a comment flies over your head

So he scored goals when he felt like it ::)  wow what a player! Of course it was pretty obvious that you did not get the two players mixed up. My sarcastic comment ' Happens to us all etc'  with the accompanying emoji would have indicated that? If any player scores goals to the extent(by vV) that it attracts other clubs interest - its how football works. Had he stayed and continued his scoring streak no doubt you may have reconsidered your opinion? Still 10 goals before Xmas is good; plus a few assists as well.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: west stand oap on May 30, 2019, 09:00:53 am
He has not pulled up any trees since going back to scunny. In fact has spent most of the time bench warming with very few starts and very few goals. Their fans appear to be very luke warm to his contribution since returning.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 30, 2019, 11:30:40 am
He has not pulled up any trees since going back to scunny. In fact has spent most of the time bench warming with very few starts and very few goals. Their fans appear to be very luke warm to his contribution since returning.

I know; but he is unhappy there too :o  Thought that KC got the best he could from him. Anyway flogged this controversial enough now. Have you any suggestions who we might add for discussion.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: just.reading on May 30, 2019, 12:24:21 pm
I know; but he is unhappy there too :o  Thought that KC got the best he could from him. Anyway flogged this controversial enough now. Have you any suggestions who we might add for discussion.

He scored 3 in 16 league games under Curle compared with 4 in 9 under Austin.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: everbrite on May 30, 2019, 15:15:50 pm
He scored 3 in 16 league games under Curle compared with 4 in 9 under Austin.

Still 10 before Christmas which for us is good.


Title: Re: Kevin van Veen
Post by: guest3086 on June 01, 2019, 21:41:21 pm
Get rid I say.