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Title: Budgets
Post by: Oversees on May 14, 2018, 12:49:36 pm
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Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: DrillingCobbler on May 14, 2018, 13:07:04 pm
That puts us 8th highest in the division. Factor in we had a massive squad compared with most of our rivals and the wage bill would have been top6 over all. What I've assumed since the start of the season. Many of our fans were saying mid table budget wise, although the source is not entirely reliable (!!) Its certainly where I thought we were budget wise.

I suspect Van Veen is earning 4 or 5 grand a week minimum. Again, totally guessing. But using logic at the same time. Logic that includes him coming here in the first place, his previous managers comments when he signed for us, that he's a striker of a good age, that wed have no doubt had competition. Also, geography…its a big ask to get someone to move 2 hours away (or travel every day) unless your going to encourage them to do so!

Id also hazard a guess that Crookes is on a very hefty wage.

Then you've got the likes of Pierre who would have been shopping around, ditto Ash Taylor.

And cord knows how much our keeper is earning, ex championship player and all that!

I put down our crap season in the main to a huge disparity in wages, from those signed pre-Chinese v those signed afterwards. The best way to create a hostile negative working environment is to pay your staff grossly different salaries for doing the same job. That was our biggest mistake by far.

This needs to be addressed and quickly, before the start of next season. Id be looking to cash in on Crookes if only to balance the books, get shot of VV at whatever cost (cut your losses being the term I think!) and move on anyone else who is earning an unjustifiable amount of money. You can get away with paying a star player a lot IF he performs well and justifies the wage, e.g. JJOT. Or even Ash Taylor or our keeper. But we've a few that are earning big wages that will annoy their teammates.





Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: West Stand on May 14, 2018, 13:17:23 pm
What is the source for these figures? I can't see where it says.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 14, 2018, 13:33:10 pm
That puts us 8th highest in the division. Factor in we had a massive squad compared with most of our rivals and the wage bill would have been top6 over all. What I've assumed since the start of the season. Many of our fans were saying mid table budget wise, although the source is not entirely reliable (!!) Its certainly where I thought we were budget wise.

I suspect Van Veen is earning 4 or 5 grand a week minimum. Again, totally guessing. But using logic at the same time. Logic that includes him coming here in the first place, his previous managers comments when he signed for us, that he's a striker of a good age, that wed have no doubt had competition. Also, geography…its a big ask to get someone to move 2 hours away (or travel every day) unless your going to encourage them to do so!

Id also hazard a guess that Crookes is on a very hefty wage.

Then you've got the likes of Pierre who would have been shopping around, ditto Ash Taylor.

And cord knows how much our keeper is earning, ex championship player and all that!

I put down our crap season in the main to a huge disparity in wages, from those signed pre-Chinese v those signed afterwards. The best way to create a hostile negative working environment is to pay your staff grossly different salaries for doing the same job. That was our biggest mistake by far.

This needs to be addressed and quickly, before the start of next season. Id be looking to cash in on Crookes if only to balance the books, get shot of VV at whatever cost (cut your losses being the term I think!) and move on anyone else who is earning an unjustifiable amount of money. You can get away with paying a star player a lot IF he performs well and justifies the wage, e.g. JJOT. Or even Ash Taylor or our keeper. But we've a few that are earning big wages that will annoy their teammates.


Scunny's average wage is less that ours, would vV have been on that much over there?
To 'annoy their team mates' you assume that they are aware of who earns what or would they be guessing, just like you?


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: DrillingCobbler on May 14, 2018, 13:53:28 pm
Scunny's average wage is less that ours, would vV have been on that much over there?
To 'annoy their team mates' you assume that they are aware of who earns what or would they be guessing, just like you?

Scunny's manager said himself that they couldn't get anywhere near the offer we put in…

Ha ha! Its pretty obvious when you sign a player whether or not they will be earning a wage similar to their team mates or not. Id say our wage bill is currently circa 3.5million - about double what it was 2 years ago. Maybe a tad more than double. Divide that by 30 = £2243 a week. Not far off. Factor in from those 30 players, a good number will be on peanuts, its easy to then come to the conclusion that a handful are going to be on a significant amount of wedge to bump the average up. Then its really not hard to work out which specific players wages are going to be most responsible for that given their cv's, position they play, competition to sign them etc.

Obviously all hear say but If I was a player playing for us and one of my team mates was Van Veen it would demotivate me. Gord only knows what Long was earning…direct or not direct from us (contracted to a prem team). Doesn't help when said player doesn't perform as well as those wages suggest he should. Thats the danger.

My view is that our financially lopsided squad, pre and post Chinese 'investment' was the key catalyst to us under performing this season.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 14, 2018, 13:57:56 pm


I put down our crap season in the main to a huge disparity in wages, from those signed pre-Chinese v those signed afterwards. The best way to create a hostile negative working environment is to pay your staff grossly different salaries for doing the same job. That was our biggest mistake by far.



You do know you've just totally made up that scenario. Then even more bizarrely, attributed our relegation to it.

Be careful. You might start blaming the East stand, or the lack of executive boxes. Oh hang on. That's another load of b0llocks doing the rounds  :P


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: tcobb on May 14, 2018, 14:37:25 pm
How do they know the  fans average  wage ? Nobody has ask me how much i earn !


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: DrillingCobbler on May 14, 2018, 15:29:27 pm
You do know you've just totally made up that scenario. Then even more bizarrely, attributed our relegation to it.

Be careful. You might start blaming the East stand, or the lack of executive boxes. Oh hang on. That's another load of b0llocks doing the rounds  :P

So you believe that the pre Chinese signings (Bowditch, Powell, Kasim, Waters etc) were signed with the same budget in mind as those who were signed shortly after (Crookes, Taylor, Long etc). Not even factoring in the January ones?

As a result of effectively having two different budgets to work with, those who came in after the first batch were the ones who were predominantly played, leaving a number of disgruntled players on the side lines.

Maybe if the situation had been managed better we'd have seen different results. But from looking outside in there was no 'togetherness' within the squad, lots of 'factions' within it. Id suggest that wages and a general disparity across the squad with regards to them was a key factor why we were not successful.



Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Poggy on May 14, 2018, 15:41:40 pm
The reason we got relegated was that our previous two managers were unable to find an effective way to utilise our squad combined with some very poor signings.



Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 14, 2018, 15:43:30 pm
Too many playing Championship Manager on here...


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 14, 2018, 15:48:48 pm
Another season where the club have massively under performed.

You are right Hammy the East stand / executive boxes didn’t relegate ya but an overall malice of the club. It is pretty much fact that a solid, well balanced football  club will holds its own and special ingredients / factors can see it overachieving.

Another season where the large spending  on players has achieved nothing, in fact the Opposite is true. As I said in another thread, which u ignore Hammy as u know it’s true and reflects very badly on KT is some medium term vision and spending would benefit NTFC far more than pandering to dumb fans with constantly changing managers and signing / sacking a merry go round of mediocre footballers


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: guest2487 on May 14, 2018, 17:29:01 pm
Some utter tripe on this thread.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: everbrite on May 14, 2018, 18:00:27 pm
Some utter tripe on this thread.

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Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 14, 2018, 19:45:01 pm
Another season where the club have massively under performed.

You are right Hammy the East stand / executive boxes didn’t relegate ya but an overall malice of the club. It is pretty much fact that a solid, well balanced football  club will holds its own and special ingredients / factors can see it overachieving.

I don't know anyone at the club who has an issue with KT. Where as most did with DC. They all appear to be getting on just fine. We enjoyed one of our finest seasons in the shadow of an incomplete East stand.

I can only deal with the facts as I see them. Whilst relegation is a terrible thing, it can happen to clubs for a variety of reasons. This board, and the support in general appeared very happy with all of the recent managerial appointments. Grown ups clear up the mess, whilst children moan about it. I'm quite confident that all the staff at NTFC are working as hard as they can to try to get things right. If you can shed some light on any specifics that will reinforce you point, feel free to enlighten me.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Manwork04 on May 14, 2018, 20:01:24 pm
I don't know anyone at the club who has an issue with KT. Where as most did with DC. They all appear to be getting on just fine. We enjoyed one of our finest seasons in the shadow of an incomplete East stand.

I can only deal with the facts as I see them. Whilst relegation is a terrible thing, it can happen to clubs for a variety of reasons. This board, and the support in general appeared very happy with all of the recent managerial appointments. Grown ups clear up the mess, whilst children moan about it. I'm quite confident that all the staff at NTFC are working as hard as they can to try to get things right. If you can shed some light on any specifics that will reinforce you point, feel free to enlighten me.
You know what Tel, have you listen to Wilders Speech at Notts County recently? He mentions the East stand in that speech and not very highly either, it might be time to remov your head from KTs sphincter and have a look round at the reality.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: DrillingCobbler on May 14, 2018, 20:21:09 pm
I don't know anyone at the club who has an issue with KT. Where as most did with DC. They all appear to be getting on just fine. We enjoyed one of our finest seasons in the shadow of an incomplete East stand.

I can only deal with the facts as I see them. Whilst relegation is a terrible thing, it can happen to clubs for a variety of reasons. This board, and the support in general appeared very happy with all of the recent managerial appointments. Grown ups clear up the mess, whilst children moan about it. I'm quite confident that all the staff at NTFC are working as hard as they can to try to get things right. If you can shed some light on any specifics that will reinforce you point, feel free to enlighten me.

This board, and you included…were not happy when KT stuck with JFH until it was too late. There were of course a few exceptions but overall…

What I am not happy with is how the football club spent heavily in January when the money was essentially not there to be spent. Wages were covered because the previous majority share holder ended up coming back to bail us out. That is gross mismanagement, and we still no not know whether or not the wage bill is sustainable versus what Mr Bower is prepared to prop it up with. Its very quiet with regards to actual 'plans' both on and off the pitch so no assumptions can be made either way, but questions should be asked. Yet at the slightest rumbling of discontentment on any thread you quickly appear and trot out the usual pro-KT agenda. Why that is, I have no idea…but to even imply that the club wasn't 'terribly run' in the last 12 months is frankly ridiculous. Whose direct fault that is, I don't know…but what I do know is that KT was the acting chief executive. So he has to bear responsibility which to be fair to him he hasn't shirked. If it wasn't his fault directly then he needs to remove those whose fault it was, and Im not including any football managers in this because they will always spend as much as they are allowed and more. And rightly so, they are only interested in the team/on the pitch, the business side is for others to look after.



Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 14, 2018, 20:21:16 pm
The specifics are that we have no medium plan for NTFC except to tread water and not to develop. The lack of inspiration, pride, planning, drive and ambition caused our relegation, there is nothing to fight for and nothing to believe in. Another word that is missing is togetherness, a chairman that keeps everything a secret, discards the Trust, is not here for NTFC but himself. That fantastic season was brought together by the fact that everyone pulled together, fought together, was as one, confidence grew and grew as well as feel good factor. I am pretty sure that we would not have been promoted with that squad (although RH was something very special for 6 months) if it had been a run of the mill season.

Not sure how you can defend another relegation on the back of one our finest seasons only 2 years ago. Relegated with the 8th biggest budget in the league, with the biggest goal difference (in our history?) with 2 / 3 different managers.

So you are saying that everyone at the club did a great job???

absolute bolocks

Really happy with appointments ?  Really ??  Don't think so, other than being cheap, short term, none of those appointments inspired anyone. Perhaps JFH but if the club had done it's due diligence they would have found a manager who was negative, boring in interviews (so assume team talks etc)

Teams do not get relegated with a very happy team, board and supporters, they just don't, so as much as you like KT something isn't right is it?

Where would we have to be in the league next season for you (and others) not to be happy? 23/24th ??  

AS - What exactly is tripe on this thread?   Also do you have an update on the KT meeting or has it been delayed due to leaves on the line, wind blowing in the wrong direction or something similar?



Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 14, 2018, 22:40:56 pm
Still haven't one shred of evidence. Just the usual moaning dicks.  ;D


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 14, 2018, 22:47:43 pm
read the post again then hammy

how much **** evidence do you need


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 14, 2018, 22:50:54 pm
then again what do you know u thought Andy Kirk was a great player  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 14, 2018, 23:27:53 pm
then again what do you know u thought Andy Kirk was a great player  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Still think he was ok. And certainly still understand why you will always have an axe to grind with NTFC 😀


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: BedsCobb on May 15, 2018, 07:42:39 am
No chance Barnets average wage was just £600 a week.
The high cost of living in that area where rent is £1500 a month for basic accomodation or house prices at 300,000 for a one bed shoe box would mean soup kitchens and food banks.
On the other hand KvV picking up 3 grand a week for the next 2 years for training 3 days a week is a nice gig.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 15, 2018, 08:31:12 am
No chance Barnets average wage was just £600 a week.
The high cost of living in that area where rent is £1500 a month for basic accomodation or house prices at 300,000 for a one bed shoe box would mean soup kitchens and food banks.
On the other hand KvV picking up 3 grand a week for the next 2 years for training 3 days a week is a nice gig.
How do you know what KVV earns?


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: WasRambo on May 15, 2018, 08:49:20 am
If people are after a squad where everyone is happy in a utopian world all getting paid on or close to the average wage then guess what, you'll end up with an average squad.

Every team has it's (relative) star players who pick up the big(ger) bucks. It's a fact of life, whatever your job.

For me it's up to the lower paid to improve to earn the bigger bucks and the stars to perform to prove they're worth it.

Players who throw the toys out because they're paid less can do one...


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: guest2487 on May 15, 2018, 10:39:06 am
Literally no facts on this thread yet.

Well done.

Overall malice of the club? Give over. Speak to employees of the club.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 15, 2018, 11:09:48 am
No news on the meeting then AS?

Interesting again that you never reply with anything sensible or reasoned arguments Hammy, you are turning into Everbrite's dad !

My axe Hammy is that we are in a relatively unique position as a football club with a big population and no major Prem club or big club nearby. Yet again we are in the bottom league with one of the worst / smallest grounds around. We have a chairman that is basically a nicer version of the previous one, spend loads on crap players and almost nothing on everything else, whilst waiting for NBC to give them a load of land.

THAT IS WHY I AM STILL P ISSED OF WITH NTFC

I don't have issues with the employees at all, they are there to earn money so they can pay their bills, far enough. Sure they like KT, he is nice to them and pays their wages on time and isn't there that much, so a great boss  ;D

What I don't understand is why most of you aren't bothered about having a winning football club, happy to be at the bottom.



Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: guest2487 on May 15, 2018, 11:21:40 am
The problem is with all of this nonsense, is the actual stuff you guys say is nonsense and put across in a ridiculous manner which then means your point of views lose a lot of credibility.

Point being, you'd probably have more people on your side if you didn't make stuff up and didn't speculate nonsense all the time as the point of a bigger and better football club is 100% the right view.

Crying constantly on here about it is going to achieve absolutely nothing. Zilch.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: DrillingCobbler on May 15, 2018, 12:37:07 pm
The problem is with all of this nonsense, is the actual stuff you guys say is nonsense and put across in a ridiculous manner which then means your point of views lose a lot of credibility.

Point being, you'd probably have more people on your side if you didn't make stuff up and didn't speculate nonsense all the time as the point of a bigger and better football club is 100% the right view.

Crying constantly on here about it is going to achieve absolutely nothing. Zilch.

This type of comment was the typical 'norm' pretty much 3 years ago to where we are now. 95% against a small minority. The small minority were bang on then.

Im not having a go mate, far from it. But it does surprise me that our history doesn't make more people just a tad cynical.

This thread is about budgets. Because it doesn't hit the agenda of some, they diss the source. And even when those who question it (I actually did!) but find no surprise to the numbers for the reasons explained, they are just talking crap…apparently!  ;D

Its not hard to find articles discussing the average wages of players in different leagues. Last season at times we were paying over 30. And its a fair assumption to make that many of those players would have been earning far more than the average. Hence why we had a top third in the division budget. On that list, the likes of Blackburn and Wigan are at the top…again no surprise. The clubs at the bottom, again its pretty obvious. MK Dons…it was well reported that when they went up from this division 3 years ago they had a 4.5million circa budget…about the biggest at the time. They have been in the championship since then, so no surprise they have an even bigger budget than ourselves. All the numbers on the list do make sense although I doubt they are entirely accurately but as a general basis…pretty much correct Id say.

Much of our budget was spent on the back of Chinese 'investment'. Again its a FACT when its pointed out that our main shareholder who sold his shares to the Chinese, then gained them back after the deal went 'wong' (sorry!!!) - has had to cover a very sizeable short fall since.

Is he prepared to continue funding the club given we've got roughly 24 contracted players, definitely need a handful more etc, for another season at a lower league and with lower overall income? Theres no point asking him, he's not contactable for the likes of you and me. And even if he was, would the answer be accurate both now, in 6 months time, 12 months time? KT isn't going to open up on the matter, would you if you were him?

Of course he could gain some of that back, or indeed all of it, by flogging some players. Crookes, 250K plus a big saving on wages? Lets say total 400k. VV - possibly another 300k all in. Then all of a sudden its sustainable again.

Most of the stuff on this website is speculation, opinion, much of it subjective. I think its fair to say though that the football club has not been well run at all during the last 12 months (relegation aside), whether that will change any time soon under the current ownership will much depend on their commitment and time they are prepared to put in. One is based in Dubai, the other in the States (half the time). In my opinion they certainly need to be far more hands on, but thats from me looking from the outside in and I accept I may be totally wrong with that. But theres some serious questions that need to be answered and ones that no body can get them to answer with anywhere near transparency.

I've used the fruit machine analogy on here before but not for some time. I just get the hunch that they know that it isn't going to pay anytime soon, they are down to their last 10er, and their mates have all gone to the next pub without them!  ;D





Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Wolvo on May 15, 2018, 12:47:57 pm
My axe Hammy is that we are in a relatively unique position as a football club with a big population and no major Prem club or big club nearby.

Every fan will think their club is special and unique... Sadly, we're just another team that make up the numbers in the bottom 2 divisions of the footballing pyramid. I've pointed out before that their are several teams with similar populations far away from prem football in similar/worse positions than us.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: guest2487 on May 15, 2018, 12:56:37 pm
This type of comment was the typical 'norm' pretty much 3 years ago to where we are now. 95% against a small minority. The small minority were bang on then.

Im not having a go mate, far from it. But it does surprise me that our history doesn't make more people just a tad cynical.

This thread is about budgets. Because it doesn't hit the agenda of some, they diss the source. And even when those who question it (I actually did!) but find no surprise to the numbers for the reasons explained, they are just talking crap…apparently!  ;D

Its not hard to find articles discussing the average wages of players in different leagues. Last season at times we were paying over 30. And its a fair assumption to make that many of those players would have been earning far more than the average. Hence why we had a top third in the division budget. On that list, the likes of Blackburn and Wigan are at the top…again no surprise. The clubs at the bottom, again its pretty obvious. MK Dons…it was well reported that when they went up from this division 3 years ago they had a 4.5million circa budget…about the biggest at the time. They have been in the championship since then, so no surprise they have an even bigger budget than ourselves. All the numbers on the list do make sense although I doubt they are entirely accurately but as a general basis…pretty much correct Id say.

Much of our budget was spent on the back of Chinese 'investment'. Again its a FACT when its pointed out that our main shareholder who sold his shares to the Chinese, then gained them back after the deal went 'wong' (sorry!!!) - has had to cover a very sizeable short fall since.

Is he prepared to continue funding the club given we've got roughly 24 contracted players, definitely need a handful more etc, for another season at a lower league and with lower overall income? Theres no point asking him, he's not contactable for the likes of you and me. And even if he was, would the answer be accurate both now, in 6 months time, 12 months time? KT isn't going to open up on the matter, would you if you were him?

Of course he could gain some of that back, or indeed all of it, by flogging some players. Crookes, 250K plus a big saving on wages? Lets say total 400k. VV - possibly another 300k all in. Then all of a sudden its sustainable again.

Most of the stuff on this website is speculation, opinion, much of it subjective. I think its fair to say though that the football club has not been well run at all during the last 12 months (relegation aside), whether that will change any time soon under the current ownership will much depend on their commitment and time they are prepared to put in. One is based in Dubai, the other in the States (half the time). In my opinion they certainly need to be far more hands on, but thats from me looking from the outside in and I accept I may be totally wrong with that. But theres some serious questions that need to be answered and ones that no body can get them to answer with anywhere near transparency.

I've used the fruit machine analogy on here before but not for some time. I just get the hunch that they know that it isn't going to pay anytime soon, they are down to their last 10er, and their mates have all gone to the next pub without them!  ;D





Healthy debate, nothing wrong with that!

Difference I see between the DC era and KT era is that KT hasn't promised anything. DC over promised and under delivered.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: WasRambo on May 15, 2018, 12:59:02 pm
The reason we got relegated was that our previous two managers were unable to find an effective way to utilise our squad combined with some very poor signings.



This.

Ok, you can argue that there may have been some a bit miffed that "others were earning more" but that's football. Technically, they are doing the same job but bear in mind the majority of the squad get paid a full wage but rarely kick a ball for the 1st team. They're backup players earning backup money.

The reason we got relegated was because collectively and tactically, we were for the most part, abject $hite.

Technically, I think we had a good enough bunch to stay up. If there was any dissent in the ranks, far more likely it was between players and management rather than between players. If though, there was any in-fighting amongst players, it would more likely be around the very fact that new players were brought in pushing others down the order (and then seeing them played out of position) rather than what they were paid.

The simple fact is, the board gave the management more than enough to do a job and the management failed. Lay some blame on the players too. They were technically good enough to stay up but didn't.

One thing that certainly wasn't lacking was playing budget. Not sure how the board can win on this - people moan when there's "too much" money about and moan when there's "too little"....


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 15, 2018, 15:28:56 pm
The fact we had a healthy budget shows that something is not right at the club, I think lots of people going through the motions as there is little direction / ambition from the top

So AS Kt is fine because he has under promised and not delivered ???  ::)

In fact KT has over promised and underdelivered as he gained control via NBC with a promise of £4m investment into NTFC, which of course has not happened. Quite a big promise I would say wouldn't you???

Also bear in mind that DC invested at least £4m in his early promising years as Chairman.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 15, 2018, 15:30:05 pm

My axe Hammy is that we are in a relatively unique position as a football club with a big population and no major Prem club or big club nearby.

What I don't understand is why most of you aren't bothered about having a winning football club, happy to be at the bottom.



Contrary to popular belief, not everyone likes watching live football or even any football at all.  
Those in and around Northampton that do, either make an effort and come and watch the Cobblers or, if you stand on Castle Station on any match day, you can see the rest that travel (an hour is not far in this day and age) to watch top flight football or even a level equal to or above our own.  We do not have a monopoly on football watchers in Northampton (shire).
The same as Pompey don't expect me to pitch up at Fratton Park each week because I live almost on their doorstep.

None of us are happy to be at the bottom and I would suspect, we are all as sceptical about everything that goes on in and around our football club.
We don't have an entitlement to know the workings of the football club and in the absence of anything factual we can speculate all we want.  Some don't and some do but those that do increasingly pass this off as fact (attached to a cryptic Grim Reaper-ish message), when it could be nowhere near the truth, although it maybe.  Stick to facts or highlight that it is only your opinion and show your workings for coming to that opinion, so there isn't any confusion.

Those that question your workings or those that say nothing on this board are just as passionate as the 'noisy' minority.  It would be appreciated if you do not accuse those of us in the majority of anything else.
We just can't be ar5ed to waste time with (useless) speculation, as you clearly have too much of the former to enable you to conduct the latter.
Although it is something to read during this lull before the new fixture list/World Cup.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: guest2487 on May 15, 2018, 15:33:50 pm
The fact we had a healthy budget shows that something is not right at the club, I think lots of people going through the motions as there is little direction / ambition from the top

So AS Kt is fine because he has under promised and not delivered ???  ::)

In fact KT has over promised and underdelivered as he gained control via NBC with a promise of £4m investment into NTFC, which of course has not happened. Quite a big promise I would say wouldn't you???

Also bear in mind that DC invested at least £4m in his early promising years as Chairman.


It's pointless trying to reason.

He said they had 4 mill ringfenced for the East Stand.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Wolvo on May 15, 2018, 15:59:13 pm
Contrary to popular belief, not everyone likes watching live football or even any football at all.  
Those in and around Northampton that do, either make an effort and come and watch the Cobblers or, if you stand on Castle Station on any match day, you can see the rest that travel (an hour is not far in this day and age) to watch top flight football or even a level equal to or above our own.  We do not have a monopoly on football watchers in Northampton (shire).

Agree with all of this. The whole Northamptonshire thing is nonsense too.... the likes of Wellingborough, Kettering, Corby all live much closer to Leicester (via public transport), than they do to Northampton.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: BedsCobb on May 15, 2018, 17:37:27 pm
Every fan will think their club is special and unique... Sadly, we're just another team that make up the numbers in the bottom 2 divisions of the footballing pyramid. I've pointed out before that their are several teams with similar populations far away from prem football in similar/worse positions than us.

Name them..


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 15, 2018, 17:55:42 pm
No news on the meeting then AS?

Interesting again that you never reply with anything sensible or reasoned arguments Hammy, you are turning into Everbrite's dad !

My axe Hammy is that we are in a relatively unique position as a football club with a big population and no major Prem club or big club nearby. Yet again we are in the bottom league with one of the worst / smallest grounds around. We have a chairman that is basically a nicer version of the previous one, spend loads on crap players and almost nothing on everything else, whilst waiting for NBC to give them a load of land.

THAT IS WHY I AM STILL P ISSED OF WITH NTFC

I don't have issues with the employees at all, they are there to earn money so they can pay their bills, far enough. Sure they like KT, he is nice to them and pays their wages on time and isn't there that much, so a great boss  ;D

What I don't understand is why most of you aren't bothered about having a winning football club, happy to be at the bottom.



I will always have a more relaxed perspective about the whole thing than you, and probably several others. For me this is a recreational pursuit, watching a game I love, played out by half decent players. I watch it at NTFC because they are my favourite team. I sometimes wonder why, but hey ho.  ;D Just like you and many others, I would like to see us push on and develop the ground and rise to a significantly higher level of football. That's where my agenda stops.

For you and a few others, it appears to have elevated to a whole new dimension. Where you seem to think that supporting a team, or paying a few quid to watch them, entitles you to an absolute say on what should and shouldn't happen. Social media has created an army of armchair accountants, planners, statisticians, constructors, all sorts. It has given them a platform to tout themselves as an expert on all manner of things. All of this without investing a penny, or producing a bead of sweat to achieve their self appointed status. You have talked yourself into believing that your made up version of the world is actually real. Then you are buoyed up by the mere fact that you can get a few other deluded fools to concur with you.  

I absolutely agree that KT is not going to risk further significant investment until he can see a clear return on it. I also absolutely believe that he grossly underestimated the challenge he was taking on. But, I will not buy into anything more than he might have got some things wrong. I'd imagine he has gone silent for one reason. He would only have to spend five minutes on here, to see how the few things he has said, are perpetually regurgitated, twisted and shoved back down his throat at every given opportunity. He may of made some mistakes. But it would be a wise man who never gave a few of you information to play with.
  


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: BedsCobb on May 15, 2018, 18:08:02 pm
Contrary to popular belief, not everyone likes watching live football or even any football at all.  
Those in and around Northampton that do, either make an effort and come and watch the Cobblers or, if you stand on Castle Station on any match day, you can see the rest that travel (an hour is not far in this day and age) to watch top flight football or even a level equal to or above our own.  We do not have a monopoly on football watchers in Northampton (shire).
The same as Pompey don't expect me to pitch up at Fratton Park each week because I live almost on their doorstep.

None of us are happy to be at the bottom and I would suspect, we are all as sceptical about everything that goes on in and around our football club.
We don't have an entitlement to know the workings of the football club and in the absence of anything factual we can speculate all we want.  Some don't and some do but those that do increasingly pass this off as fact (attached to a cryptic Grim Reaper-ish message), when it could be nowhere near the truth, although it maybe.  Stick to facts or highlight that it is only your opinion and show your workings for coming to that opinion, so there isn't any confusion.

Those that question your workings or those that say nothing on this board are just as passionate as the 'noisy' minority.  It would be appreciated if you do not accuse those of us in the majority of anything else.
We just can't be ar5ed to waste time with (useless) speculation, as you clearly have too much of the former to enable you to conduct the latter.
Although it is something to read during this lull before the new fixture list/World Cup.
Until we're in a position in which to fully promote and sell our football club hard and far as having ambitions playing at an atmospheric all singing and dancing stadium  offering all the mod cons found every where else,  this will remain the mantra.
You can't expect fans to be attracted to our little stadium and forced to sit in the poorer over flow areas that dont usually sell out, with no decent facilities  then expect them to return the following week.. they wont.
Cardoza actually understood this but got consumed with greed , but sadly thomas doesn't or pretends he doesn't or just doesn't want to, we are yet to know what's his intentions are after near 3 years!
Our club needs a serious influx of good will from the folk of Northampton and surrounding areas that can only happen when they are made feel part of it and what it aims to achieve and thats not staying as an ambitionless and insignificant football club facilitating outside speculators to council land leases/ riches. Until something gives we will remain a joke club in our own back yard.

I hoping thomas finds new investors /owners during this summer that are better than the last lot.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: guest2487 on May 15, 2018, 20:52:03 pm
I will always have a more relaxed perspective about the whole thing than you, and probably several others. For me this is a recreational pursuit, watching a game I love, played out by half decent players. I watch it at NTFC because they are my favourite team. I sometimes wonder why, but hey ho.  ;D Just like you and many others, I would like to see us push on and develop the ground and rise to a significantly higher level of football. That's where my agenda stops.

For you and a few others, it appears to have elevated to a whole new dimension. Where you seem to think that supporting a team, or paying a few quid to watch them, entitles you to an absolute say on what should and shouldn't happen. Social media has created an army of armchair accountants, planners, statisticians, constructors, all sorts. It has given them a platform to tout themselves as an expert on all manner of things. All of this without investing a penny, or producing a bead of sweat to achieve their self appointed status. You have talked yourself into believing that your made up version of the world is actually real. Then you are buoyed up by the mere fact that you can get a few other deluded fools to concur with you.  

I absolutely agree that KT is not going to risk further significant investment until he can see a clear return on it. I also absolutely believe that he grossly underestimated the challenge he was taking on. But, I will not buy into anything more than he might have got some things wrong. I'd imagine he has gone silent for one reason. He would only have to spend five minutes on here, to see how the few things he has said, are perpetually regurgitated, twisted and shoved back down his throat at every given opportunity. He may of made some mistakes. But it would be a wise man who never gave a few of you information to play with.
  

Perfect summary.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Wolvo on May 15, 2018, 22:10:19 pm
Name them..

Our local teams. Coventry and MK. Cambridge and Oxford. I'm bothering looking any further on Google maps  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: exiledinspace on May 16, 2018, 01:53:29 am
I will always have a more relaxed perspective about the whole thing than you, and probably several others. For me this is a recreational pursuit, watching a game I love, played out by half decent players. I watch it at NTFC because they are my favourite team. I sometimes wonder why, but hey ho.  ;D Just like you and many others, I would like to see us push on and develop the ground and rise to a significantly higher level of football. That's where my agenda stops.

For you and a few others, it appears to have elevated to a whole new dimension. Where you seem to think that supporting a team, or paying a few quid to watch them, entitles you to an absolute say on what should and shouldn't happen. Social media has created an army of armchair accountants, planners, statisticians, constructors, all sorts. It has given them a platform to tout themselves as an expert on all manner of things. All of this without investing a penny, or producing a bead of sweat to achieve their self appointed status. You have talked yourself into believing that your made up version of the world is actually real. Then you are buoyed up by the mere fact that you can get a few other deluded fools to concur with you.  

I absolutely agree that KT is not going to risk further significant investment until he can see a clear return on it. I also absolutely believe that he grossly underestimated the challenge he was taking on. But, I will not buy into anything more than he might have got some things wrong. I'd imagine he has gone silent for one reason. He would only have to spend five minutes on here, to see how the few things he has said, are perpetually regurgitated, twisted and shoved back down his throat at every given opportunity. He may of made some mistakes. But it would be a wise man who never gave a few of you information to play with.
  

You must work very hard to be such a condescending know it all, it would be impossible for anyone to achieve it naturally. It's certainly not recreational.

Social media has obviously created a position for you as well. How lucky you are to have achieved so much more in life than every one of the 4-5000 that regularly attend. I doubt there is a single accountant or developer amongst them.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 16, 2018, 06:19:12 am

Social media has obviously created a position for you as well. How lucky you are to have achieved so much more in life than every one of the 4-5000 that regularly attend. I doubt there is a single accountant or developer amongst them.

There probably are, but I haven't seen evidence of any of them posting on here...


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: cobblertone on May 16, 2018, 08:02:18 am
There probably are, but I haven't seen evidence of any of them posting on here...

Pity because they could contact Nick Knowles and coordinate a DIY SOS job to finish the East Stand. We have a heart wrenching backstory.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: BedsCobb on May 16, 2018, 12:19:57 pm
Our local teams. Coventry and MK. Cambridge and Oxford. I'm bothering looking any further on Google maps  ;D ;D
Coventry have spent 30 years in the top flight during our continuing  4th division exodus but got suckered by s***e speculators. They will shake these time wasting clowns off soon and move forward.
MK are a new concept of football franchising but have in a very short time blaghed one of the most spectacular stadiums in England and won 2 promotions, one into the championship and a football league trophy, averaging gates pf over 10,000... A damned sight more than we have in 50 years of struggle.
Oxford again have played top flight football as recently as the 80s and won a major trophy, have a 12000 stsdium that will be expanded shortly as soon as they get control of their ground.
Cambridge United are a strange one, like us have shown little to no  ambition into building up their club.. and have also been left in the wilderness.. I'll give you Cambridge, like us should be doing shed loads  better.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Boot and shoe on May 16, 2018, 12:39:49 pm
Coventry have spent 30 years in the top flight during our continuing  4th division exodus but got suckered by s***e speculators. They will shake these time wasting clowns off soon and move forward.
MK are a new concept of football franchising but have in a very short time blaghed one of the most spectacular stadiums in England and won 2 promotions, one into the championship and a football league trophy, averaging gates pf over 10,000... A damned sight more than we have in 50 years of struggle.
Oxford again have played top flight football as recently as the 80s and won a major trophy, have a 12000 stsdium that will be expanded shortly as soon as they get control of their ground.
Cambridge United are a strange one, like us have shown little to no  ambition into building up their club.. and have also been left in the wilderness.. I'll give you Cambridge, like us should be doing shed loads  better.
You can not compare MK to us or take their gates seriously because they near enough pay people to attend !! MK . As everyone knows , have been seriously bank rolled by individuals and by local government .
Of all your examples , Oxford are the fairest comparison and they have suffered similar ups and downs to ourselves. Their recent downs have been far worst and their recent ups have been arguably better. We have been consistently average !


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 16, 2018, 13:40:46 pm
Coventry has how big a stadium?  also have Aston Villa / Birmingham with 25 miles

Oxford have 12000 3 sided stadium with hotel

You need to read the post again - it was the combination of our tiny crap stadium / KT insisting we don't need anything better with our local population and lack of nearby major competition



Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 16, 2018, 13:50:21 pm
Cambridge also have a world class University and very high level businesses that discourages local councils etc to support the riff raff of football, Oxford have the same problem but have more rough un's to give the club a following

Evidence of accountants?  perhaps every poster should have to submit their CV so we can see who has the biggest. Me I was voted supporter of the year for all my free hard work in and around the club (or to just stop me from moaning about doing more / better  ;D )

I think all those agreeing with Hammy, you should not post one complaint or comment on anything NTFC including players, performances, managers etc as you feel I and others should question off the pitch matters.

BTW  How many Newcastle fans complain about their Chairman although he has pumped £100's of million in and they are in Prem with a top manager?  Should they shut down all those people too?



 


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 16, 2018, 14:17:32 pm
You must work very hard to be such a condescending know it all, it would be impossible for anyone to achieve it naturally. It's certainly not recreational.

Social media has obviously created a position for you as well. How lucky you are to have achieved so much more in life than every one of the 4-5000 that regularly attend. I doubt there is a single accountant or developer amongst them.
If you mean by "condescending" being relaxed accommodating and impartial about our owners and the future of the club, that's me  ;D If you mean by "know it all". Someone who hasn't claimed one single ounce of special inside knowledge about NTFC. Or offered one particular scenario or solution. Once again that's me  ;D However, if you mean  entitled enough to tell someone else how to spend their money. Offer advice on a subject I know nothing about, or indeed believe that I could occupy the mantle of a football club owner, you would be a million miles away from me. You'll find that person, when you undertake the rather harrowing experience of looking in the mirror.... 


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Wolvo on May 16, 2018, 15:38:03 pm
You can not compare MK to us or take their gates seriously because they near enough pay people to attend !! MK . As everyone knows , have been seriously bank rolled by individuals and by local government .
Of all your examples , Oxford are the fairest comparison and they have suffered similar ups and downs to ourselves. Their recent downs have been far worst and their recent ups have been arguably better. We have been consistently average !


But but but MK's catchment area. And no Prem sides. And a big stadium with empty seats so you can turn up and sit next to each other.

It's really not as simple as 'build it and they will come' as some people seem to think it is.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: sxcobbler on May 16, 2018, 15:47:54 pm


Interesting again that you never reply with anything sensible or reasoned arguments Hammy, you are turning into Everbrite's dad !

 

Good God who'd have thought you'd be awaiting your telegram from the Queen !Nigel.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Another Pedj on May 16, 2018, 19:26:55 pm
Coventry has how big a stadium?  also have Aston Villa / Birmingham with 25 miles

Oxford have 12000 3 sided stadium with hotel

You need to read the post again - it was the combination of our tiny crap stadium / KT insisting we don't need anything better with our local population and lack of nearby major competition



They only have a big stadium for one more season. They have been given notice to quit by Wasps.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Another Pedj on May 16, 2018, 19:29:56 pm
Name them..

Let's start with Stockport


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: BedsCobb on May 16, 2018, 19:52:34 pm
But but but MK's catchment area. And no Prem sides. And a big stadium with empty seats so you can turn up and sit next to each other.

It's really not as simple as 'build it and they will come' as some people seem to think it is.
Are you suggesting like Kelvin we shouldn't have a state of the art 30,000 seater stadium?
We all know that and fully agree.. its just that a 7000 non league one that kelvin believes is good enough for us is complete nonsence.
A 12000 capacity one will allow us to grow the club and compete outside the 4th division.
That mysterious £4m would give us that and some but wasThomas and co going to spunk it all on a dozen boxes?
You have to laugh at how these London types hold our town in such a poor light.
I hope the council stay strong and give this lot what they believe we should get.. Nothing also.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Manwork04 on May 16, 2018, 20:48:02 pm
Let's start with Stockport
Yeah they have no big clubs near them have they  ::)


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Another Pedj on May 16, 2018, 21:12:31 pm
Not within 15 miles no


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Another Pedj on May 16, 2018, 21:19:04 pm
Or about an hours drive


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 16, 2018, 22:34:45 pm
pedj  have you heard of google maps, its really good it gives you directions, distances and travel times etc

If you go via B5465 and M60 Old Trafford is 14.6 miles away taking 25 mins.

One of my main gripes with lack of NTFC ambition is that we do have a history, especially when you are comparing some clubs like MK, Burton, Fleetwood etc. Factor in that we had 11000 plus 30 years ago, took 5000 to Liverpool, 44000 to Wembley, 7000 to MK shows that there is potential to develop.

Stockport did play in Championship if my memory serves me correctly (at my age I might be wrong !) but are always competing with the Manchester clubs and not that far from Oldham who were also in the Prem once.

MK is always going to have a problem in that they have to wait for a generation of fans to come through, they have no history and the city has lots of new people moving there from all parts of the country who already support other clubs.

Again we are at such a low base, in that we have nothing going for us in terms of where we are today, no big stand, no corporate boxes, no plans, no ambition.






Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Oversees on May 17, 2018, 02:33:06 am
...... and, after a few responses, the discussion descends down o the usual s***e.

Respect to those that have tried to make this thread something different, and to follow the original theme.  (You know who you are!)

Respect, really!

Moderators, please close this one down, as it has become a sub-thread of the "Re-Development" thread.

Taken over by the alt_cobblers.......


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: BedsCobb on May 17, 2018, 06:49:20 am
...... and, after a few responses, the discussion descends down o the usual s***e.

Respect to those that have tried to make this thread something different, and to follow the original theme.  (You know who you are!)

Respect, really!

Moderators, please close this one down, as it has become a sub-thread of the "Re-Development" thread.

Taken over by the alt_cobblers.......
Its about comparing  budgets and for a team to have a competitive budget requires a solid support base and decent supporting facilities at a well run open and engaging club.. on topic, as you were oversees.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Manwork04 on May 17, 2018, 09:18:44 am
...... and, after a few responses, the discussion descends down o the usual s***e.

Respect to those that have tried to make this thread something different, and to follow the original theme.  (You know who you are!)

Respect, really!

Moderators, please close this one down, as it has become a sub-thread of the "Re-Development" thread.

Taken over by the alt_cobblers.......
;D you make more sense posting your usual Sh1t


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 17, 2018, 10:09:03 am
Sorry I might have strayed a little but I would much prefer a smaller playing budget if the surplus was spent on other areas..

For example Would spending £10k sprucing up the players lounge be better spent than paying a players wages for a month ?

We need to stop gambling on multiple players hoping we hit a Ricky Holmes


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: unicobbler on May 17, 2018, 13:26:14 pm
Sorry I might have strayed a little but I would much prefer a smaller playing budget if the surplus was spent on other areas..

For example Would spending £10k sprucing up the players lounge be better spent than paying a players wages for a month ?

We need to stop gambling on multiple players hoping we hit a Ricky Holmes
Have I misunderstood or are you suggesting we'd be better off with a tin of paint and a new fridge for the lucozade than having a new player or paying a higher salary to attract talent?


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: The Rauldinho on May 17, 2018, 14:28:05 pm
Have I misunderstood or are you suggesting we'd be better off with a tin of paint and a new fridge for the lucozade than having a new player or paying a higher salary to attract talent?

That's how I read it, that he would be okay with having a smaller playing budget and utilising the money elsewhere (ie upgrading facilities, stands etc).


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 17, 2018, 14:59:25 pm
Yes exactly right. Having 30 plus player should last season worked out well for us didn’t it

Investing in improving the facilities at least gives us some value in the medium term



Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: unicobbler on May 17, 2018, 15:02:39 pm
Yes exactly right. Having 30 plus player should last season worked out well for us didn’t it

Investing in improving the facilities at least gives us some value in the medium term

Ok, so there is a balance. A squad of 30 is too big I agree but increasing the playing squad by 1 or 2 players of the right caliber or paying a bit more to attract the right player has to be above facilities. But facilities above 3-4 squad players that are 3rd, 4th, 5th choice etc


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: BedsCobb on May 17, 2018, 16:34:40 pm
It all about striking the right balance between growing the match day income, gate, sponsorship, corperate and food and beverages and merchandise by 50% then increasing the players budget accordingly with a hope the better quality of players yeild some hefty sell on fees... and then we would be truly up and running as a club that means business...but it would involve firstly  a visit to the redevelopment closer than ever thread😂😊


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: EssTeeFree on May 17, 2018, 21:40:02 pm
I don’t think anyone is pitching for a squad of 30. I think most would rather we’d took the budget from last year and spent it all on a squad of 23 but 2 different managers made a balls up of their recruitment.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: alton on May 17, 2018, 21:43:29 pm
Have I misunderstood or are you suggesting we'd be better off with a tin of paint and a new fridge for the lucozade than having a new player or paying a higher salary to attract talent?

There's no point in getting new players if there's nowhere for them to put their Lucozade


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: random on May 18, 2018, 13:55:54 pm
we had over 30 players last season and the season before

Almost everyone got very excited by our 9 January signings, that was money well spent wasn't it NOT

Just history repeating itself year after year, we went down this year because we could not buy ourselves out of trouble with loan signings, which we did a few times under DC

Easier said than done I know but small squad with quality / local youth players etc. See Oxford just sold another player up the league ladder





Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: EssTeeFree on May 18, 2018, 14:09:55 pm
But as I said earlier that has been down to poor recruitment. I was personally only really excited by the signings of Perreira and Ariyibi in January because I thought we would start to see some width, pace and attacking intent. I was very wrong. They were bad signings in Jimmy's hands but if properly used may well have proved to be shrewd. Hindsight is easy, if Thomas had blocked the moves for two wingers who looked exciting signings plenty on here would have had something to say about it.

Again, I don't think we went down because we couldn't buy our way out we went down because the Manager got some shiny new toys to go along with all the other toys he had but he had no idea how to use them effectively.

We all agree we need a smaller squad and we need to find a way to recruit better. How we do that though I don't know, if you appoint a manager then you probably trust him to recruit well.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Cobblersmad on May 18, 2018, 19:22:34 pm
I reckon we should offer a low wage and a high bonus for promotion. It's not as if Shrewsbury or Accrington are rolling in it, and I bet that is exactly what they have done. Offer those terms to a player and then you will see if the hunger and desire is truly there.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on May 18, 2018, 20:24:07 pm
So, having a big modern ground doesn’t guarantee success. Now it appears spending money on big salaries doesn’t either, so what does guarantee success? Hopefully it should have dawned on people that the answer is nothing. You can improve your chances, but nothing offers a guarantee. So why watch football at all at our level, or any level for that matter? I mean no one is happy on here, and if you read the forums of the clubs where we aspire to be, they are doing as much moaning as we are. If you are in division one you want the Championship, those in the Championship want the Prem, those in the Prem want Europe and if you are a supporter of Chelsea you want the manager out because he has not won the effing lot? At the end of the day do you believe that a supporter of Chelsea felt a bigger sense of euphoria when they won the title than we did winning division 2 under Wilder or Carr, think about it? Don’t get me wrong, it would be great to play against the Arsenal’s and United’s week in and week out but I don’t believe it’s the Shang-ri-la everyone believes it to be, read the forums or listen to 606? In any event, it’s sport, we are in the lap of the gods, accept it. I’m about to get shouted at again aren’t I?


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 19, 2018, 00:18:03 am
I mean no one is happy on here, and if you read the forums of the clubs where we aspire to be, they are doing as much moaning as we are. If you are in division one you want the Championship, those in the Championship want the Prem, those in the Prem want Europe and if you are a supporter of Chelsea you want the manager out because he has not won the effing lot? At the end of the day do you believe that a supporter of Chelsea felt a bigger sense of euphoria when they won the title than we did winning division 2 under Wilder or Carr, think about it? Don’t get me wrong, it would be great to play against the Arsenal’s and United’s week in and week out but I don’t believe it’s the Shang-ri-la everyone believes it to be, read the forums or listen to 606? In any event, it’s sport, we are in the lap of the gods, accept it. I’m about to get shouted at again aren’t I?
I take exception at the line "no one is happy on here".

I am a very happy person. I love my job. My wife. My children. Where I live, my friends and in general my life. I honestly believe I understand the secret of contentment.

As I have said many times before. I would rather we played at a higher level. Just to watch better players. But I'm not bothered about the expansion or who runs the club, as long as I think they're OK. I just love watching the game. I really enjoy the company of those I sit with. I think most are generally ok with things. And for those that get worked up over nothing. Don't worry. One day something will come along that gives you a genuine perspective on what's really important in life. I will guarantee it.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on May 19, 2018, 04:37:49 am
I take exception at the line "no one is happy on here".

I am a very happy person. I love my job. My wife. My children. Where I live, my friends and in general my life. I honestly believe I understand the secret of contentment.

As I have said many times before. I would rather we played at a higher level. Just to watch better players. But I'm not bothered about the expansion or who runs the club, as long as I think they're OK. I just love watching the game. I really enjoy the company of those I sit with. I think most are generally ok with things. And for those that get worked up over nothing. Don't worry. One day something will come along that gives you a genuine perspective on what's really important in life. I will guarantee it.
Er I was speaking in the context of the football club but thanks for the run down on the rest of your life. Happy days then?


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: BedsCobb on May 19, 2018, 09:51:52 am
So, having a big modern ground doesn’t guarantee success. Now it appears spending money on big salaries doesn’t either, so what does guarantee success? Hopefully it should have dawned on people that the answer is nothing. You can improve your chances, but nothing offers a guarantee. So why watch football at all at our level, or any level for that matter? I mean no one is happy on here, and if you read the forums of the clubs where we aspire to be, they are doing as much moaning as we are. If you are in division one you want the Championship, those in the Championship want the Prem, those in the Prem want Europe and if you are a supporter of Chelsea you want the manager out because he has not won the effing lot? At the end of the day do you believe that a supporter of Chelsea felt a bigger sense of euphoria when they won the title than we did winning division 2 under Wilder or Carr, think about it? Don’t get me wrong, it would be great to play against the Arsenal’s and United’s week in and week out but I don’t believe it’s the Shang-ri-la everyone believes it to be, read the forums or listen to 606? In any event, it’s sport, we are in the lap of the gods, accept it. I’m about to get shouted at again aren’t I?
Try using the words long term, sustainable and steady growth within your posts and see how better things look.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: cobblerwatch on May 19, 2018, 10:00:08 am
I take exception at the line "no one is happy on here".

I am a very happy person. I love my job. My wife. My children. Where I live, my friends and in general my life. I honestly believe I understand the secret of contentment.

As I have said many times before. I would rather we played at a higher level. Just to watch better players. But I'm not bothered about the expansion or who runs the club, as long as I think they're OK. I just love watching the game. I really enjoy the company of those I sit with. I think most are generally ok with things. And for those that get worked up over nothing. Don't worry. One day something will come along that gives you a genuine perspective on what's really important in life. I will guarantee it.

Agreed, and it’s not an acceptance of mediocrity it’s actual an appreciation of reality about the things in life you can control - the here and now is the only reality.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 19, 2018, 12:19:43 pm
Er I was speaking in the context of the football club but thanks for the run down on the rest of your life. Happy days then?

Try to be a bit less vague next time.... Did I mention how happy I am with my cat? 



Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: EssTeeFree on May 19, 2018, 15:28:07 pm
On the happiness point, fans are simply never for happy, at least not for long.

Imagine a world where a fan suddenly finds themselves in possession of a fortune and buys the club. Fast forward 10 years from now and we’re about to embark on our 6th consecutive season in the championship, playing in a 20,000 stadium (with safe standing areas). I guarantee there would be posts on here moaning that we keep finishing mid table, that we should be getting promoted to the prem and adding another 10,000 to the capacity.

It’s the nature of sport, as long as there is the next step to aim for people will want it and be frustrated if we don’t reach it.

For me I just want to watch my team trying to play entertaining football season after season, obviously as high up the ladder as possible. I’d still be there week in, week out if we dropped below the conference. But then to some on here I’m the worst kind of fan.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: BedsCobb on May 19, 2018, 20:26:20 pm
Agreed, and it’s not an acceptance of mediocrity it’s actual an appreciation of reality about the things in life you can control - the here and now is the only reality.
You need to understand not everyone can be a two club merchant, one big club in London that gives you the success you need and a little water treading never do well back water anomaly that fills in the gaps...
#itsanorthamptonthing
#thomasout


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 19, 2018, 22:57:50 pm
You need to understand not everyone can be a two club merchant, one big club in London that gives you the success you need and a little water treading never do well back water anomaly that fills in the gaps...
#itsanorthamptonthing
#thomasout

Dropped Arsenal have you then?????





Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: BedsCobb on May 20, 2018, 01:43:31 am
Dropped Arsenal have you then?????




da fug??


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on May 21, 2018, 00:30:55 am
Try using the words long term, sustainable and steady growth within your posts and see how better things look.
Not very good at this debating lark are you Beds? The problem with being fixated on an ideal is you are too quick to go on some narcissistic rant and completely miss some genuine points of debate. If it’s advice youre giving out try this? If investing in the club is as ridiculous and as far fetched as I have suggested why did Kelvin Thomas get involved? After all he has clearly been successful in the past in his business dealings, and is apparently a competent businessman? Prior to his involvement he obviously couldnt care less about the club, so there wasn’t the emotional angle seen in many cases. All logic would tell you that he should have run a mile at the suggestion of taking the club on? If every single financial argument for investing in the club is as hopelessly optimistic as I have detailed he would also surely struggle to sell it on in the current circumstances, so why exactly is he here?

Try that?


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: exiledinspace on May 21, 2018, 04:47:26 am

I honestly believe I understand the secret of contentment.


Fuck me, it doesn't stop. Now your the Dalai Lama.

For the rest of you, not so fortunate to have found the spiritual level of happiness the pussy licker enjoys, here's a message from his Holiness himself Nigel.

https://www.dalailama.com/videos/happiness-and-a-stress-free-life



Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on May 21, 2018, 06:49:32 am
Fuck me, it doesn't stop. Now your the Dalai Lama.

For the rest of you, not so fortunate to have found the spiritual level of happiness the pussy licker enjoys, here's a message from his Holiness himself Nigel.

https://www.dalailama.com/videos/happiness-and-a-stress-free-life


Say what you like about you Exile, you are a laugh. I’ve just spat coffee all down me shirt, and it went down me nose.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: BedsCobb on May 21, 2018, 07:11:37 am
Not very good at this debating lark are you Beds? The problem with being fixated on an ideal is you are too quick to go on some narcissistic rant and completely miss some genuine points of debate. If it’s advice youre giving out try this? If investing in the club is as ridiculous and as far fetched as I have suggested why did Kelvin Thomas get involved? After all he has clearly been successful in the past in his business dealings, and is apparently a competent businessman? Prior to his involvement he obviously couldnt care less about the club, so there wasn’t the emotional angle seen in many cases. All logic would tell you that he should have run a mile at the suggestion of taking the club on? If every single financial argument for investing in the club is as hopelessly optimistic as I have detailed he would also surely struggle to sell it on in the current circumstances, so why exactly is he here?

Try that?
The club was picked up for peanuts and the free land/leases are worth millions.
You must've forgot that?
The club could be sold very easily.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on May 21, 2018, 07:48:10 am
If the club could be sold very easily I think our owners would have gone by now since they appear to have no enthusiasm to complete the East Stand, yet alone commit to further redevelopment. I agree with some of the points Beds makes, especially concerning its potential and the consistent failures to exploit this under present and previous owners, but not his economics. 


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Manwork04 on May 21, 2018, 08:56:38 am
Fuck me, it doesn't stop. Now your the Dalai Lama.

For the rest of you, not so fortunate to have found the spiritual level of happiness the pussy licker enjoys, here's a message from his Holiness himself Nigel.

https://www.dalailama.com/videos/happiness-and-a-stress-free-life


There's always something to surprise you, fancy that, the Dalai Lama lives in Northampton  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 21, 2018, 09:48:18 am
The club was picked up for peanuts and the free land/leases are worth millions.
You must've forgot that?
The club could be sold very easily.


I wouldn't mind some of that.  Very jealous.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: everbrite on May 21, 2018, 10:01:35 am
Not very good at this debating lark are you Beds?
….……..…..........Try that?

Not quite sure why you expect to  have a debate, it's somewhat rare that it happens on this board - mostly comments presented as facts!


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on May 21, 2018, 10:04:09 am
Not quite sure why you expect to  have a debate, it's somewhat rare that it happens on this board - mostly comments presented as facts!
one lives in hope Evers, one lives in hope?


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on May 21, 2018, 10:11:48 am
The club was picked up for peanuts and the free land/leases are worth millions.
You must've forgot that?
The club could be sold very easily.

I would recommend most of your tripe regarding this topic is forgotten Beds to be honest. Joking aside, despite all my having a go at your theories on this subject, it is a mystery? I don’t believe the land/leases/worth millions angle but there’s something attractive about this deal somewhere? F#cked if I can work out what though?


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 21, 2018, 14:52:44 pm
Fuck me, it doesn't stop. Now your the Dalai Lama.

For the rest of you, not so fortunate to have found the spiritual level of happiness the pussy licker enjoys, here's a message from his Holiness himself Nigel.

https://www.dalailama.com/videos/happiness-and-a-stress-free-life



Finally. You have stopped trading pointless insults, and offering flawed advice way outside of your sphere of knowledge, and paid someone a genuine compliment. I genuinely believe you will find peace in your heart, having turned over a new leaf..  :-*

By way of an update. My pu$$y licker gif has gone... Can you help me? 





Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Oversees on May 23, 2018, 00:23:13 am
Finally. You have stopped trading pointless insults, and offering flawed advice way outside of your sphere of knowledge, and paid someone a genuine compliment. I genuinely believe you will find peace in your heart, having turned over a new leaf..  :-*

By way of an update. My pu$$y licker gif has gone... Can you help me? 


Is this any good?

https://www.playbuzz.com/benjaminbirely10/hamsters-eating-is-exactly-what-you-need-to-get-through-the-rest-of-the-week


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Oversees on May 25, 2018, 00:23:12 am
Anyone else think that the news means that there is a chance that our "owners" are going to drop doo-doo on our latest management incumbent?  Budget cuts, unfavourable contact renegotiations, re-positioning, plus, plus, plus.... all set to follow. Closely followed by mass exodus, a la Michael McRitchie era?.....  Dean Austin, having staked his all, is the latest Phil Chard fall guy?


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: everbrite on May 25, 2018, 00:52:51 am
Anyone else think that the news means that there is a chance that our "owners" are going to drop doo-doo on our latest management incumbent?  Budget cuts, unfavourable contact renegotiations, re-positioning, plus, plus, plus.... all set to follow. Closely followed by mass exodus, a la Michael McRitchie era?.....  Dean Austin, having staked his all, is the latest Phil Chard fall guy?

No - and you appear to be unwell again!


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Oversees on May 25, 2018, 00:55:00 am
I can just imagine the party in the anti-Thomas group tonight:    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6iNluUx7uQ


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: Oversees on May 25, 2018, 00:57:51 am
No - and you appear to be unwell again!

Your solution to the clubs woes?

Your solution to your fears over my health?


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: everbrite on May 25, 2018, 12:09:26 pm
Your solution to the clubs woes?

Your solution to your fears over my health?

The trouble is that you often speak in riddles.


Title: Re: Budgets
Post by: cobblerwatch on May 25, 2018, 12:52:15 pm
The trouble is that you often speak in riddles.

I marginally prefer the riddles to the you-tube videos but would probably have a richer life with neither......