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Title: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: DrillingCobbler on November 27, 2018, 20:50:16 pm Well thats the end of the honeymoon folkes. 10 league games in. W4, D4, L2. Not at all bad.
However, the last 3 games...D2, L1. Starting at Exeter, it is a real concern that the players have reverted back to type, as they did so under the previous 4 managers after a short period of 'trying'. This evening followed Saturday. We looked terrible. Its a blessing that theres now 11 days before the next league game. Time to regroup, time to send Ash 'its always someone elses fault' Taylor back up the M6 to Scouse land (or indeed Euro Disney) and well away from the match day squad, and time to go back to basics all round. Tonight wasn't a blip, its been coming. Exeter should have been 3 or 4-0 up before we equalised, Grimsby deserved the 3 points on Saturday. We got away with the last 2, tonight our luck ran out. We'd have all snatched 16 points from Kieth's first 10 games; the next 10 is when we will really start to find out what he's all about! Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Manwork04 on November 27, 2018, 20:54:01 pm The alarm bells are well and truly ringing for me, Taylor for Turnbull, keeping Hoskins on and taking Van Veen off, Constant tinkering........
We desperately need Crooks and Morais back. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3063 on November 27, 2018, 20:59:24 pm On dear, oh dear. It's started again >:(
(I'm referring to stupid threads by the way). Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 27, 2018, 21:03:32 pm Mate. Its Keith (again)
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3063 on November 27, 2018, 21:08:08 pm Mate. Its Keith (again) ??? It's okay, lets sack another manager. That will get these players performing ::) Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Another Pedj on November 27, 2018, 21:10:15 pm agreed that always works
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2677 on November 27, 2018, 21:12:05 pm ??? ;D ;D ;DIt's okay, lets sack another manager. That will get these players performing ::) Whoosh. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: bluebry on November 27, 2018, 21:21:00 pm ;D ;D ;D Whoosh. Hi folks Carlisle fan here, not trying to rub your noses in it after such a poor result, but I can honestly say I'm not surprised at some of the comments about 'tinkering', I'm afraid this will go on and on and on................even when you have had a decent result, even when old Curly Chops has 'got his own players in'. You see the problem is he simply can not help himself, he has to piss about with the team, its like its almost inbuilt with him to 'change it'. He will trot out the same old excuses about 'The Northampton Board not matching his ambitions' when the s*** hits the fan.......................but at Carlisle he was given the best budget of any previous Carlisle manager, but hey ho we couldn't match 'his ambitions'?????? You Have been warned. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3063 on November 27, 2018, 21:25:33 pm Hi folks Carlisle fan here, not trying to rub your noses in it after such a poor result, but I can honestly say I'm not surprised at some of the comments about 'tinkering', I'm afraid this will go on and on and on................even when you have had a decent result, even when old Curly Chops has 'got his own players in'. You see the problem is he simply can not help himself, he has to **** about with the team, its like its almost inbuilt with him to 'change it'. He will trot out the same old excuses about 'The Northampton Board not matching his ambitions' when the **** hits the fan.......................but at Carlisle he was given the best budget of any previous Carlisle manager, but hey ho we couldn't match 'his ambitions'?????? You Have been warned. I thought all you lot liked him and was sorry to see him go? Or are you one of the minority who didn't and now are trying to sound smug? Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2090 on November 27, 2018, 21:26:00 pm Hi folks Carlisle fan here, not trying to rub your noses in it after such a poor result, but I can honestly say I'm not surprised at some of the comments about 'tinkering', I'm afraid this will go on and on and on................even when you have had a decent result, even when old Curly Chops has 'got his own players in'. You see the problem is he simply can not help himself, he has to **** about with the team, its like its almost inbuilt with him to 'change it'. He will trot out the same old excuses about 'The Northampton Board not matching his ambitions' when the **** hits the fan.......................but at Carlisle he was given the best budget of any previous Carlisle manager, but hey ho we couldn't match 'his ambitions'?????? You Have been warned. I guess this is why he is still a league 2 manager after 400+ games. Still better than the last 4 who were all conference north at best. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: bluebry on November 27, 2018, 21:34:12 pm I thought all you lot liked him and was sorry to see him go? Or are you one minority who didn't and now trying to sound smug? The support was completely divided, because he saved us from oblivion in the first season he was here, a lot of fans thought 'hey he must be good' and then he got us into the play offs, (but realistically he buggered it up because we should have got automatic.....tinkering again). The board then threw money at him to get us promotion only for him to completely waste it on utter dross. Decent young players were overlooked for 'seasoned pros' which were abysmal. The overall support was completely divided (and still is), but those of us with half a brain realised he was, and never will be any good, 17 years without a promotion and still counting................!! Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Wolvo on November 27, 2018, 21:36:45 pm We appoint a manager with 40% win ratio in this league. After 10 games, he has won 40% of games. Hardly surprising.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: bluebry on November 27, 2018, 21:41:27 pm We appoint a manager with 40% win ratio in this league. After 10 games, he has won 40% of games. Hardly surprising. I have absolutely no doubt he will (at first) make a difference, because players as always will want to impress their new manager, however give it a reasonable amount of games and then the tinkering will start in Earnest, he thinks hes a Premier League Manager in the 4th tier......honestly!! Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: crazycobbler on November 27, 2018, 21:42:32 pm I have absolutely no doubt he will (at first) make a difference, because players as always will want to impress their new manager, however give it a reasonable amount of games and then the tinkering will start in Earnest, he thinks hes a Premier League Manager in the 4th tier......honestly!! In all honesty you sound quite bitter.... Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: bluebry on November 27, 2018, 21:53:37 pm Nope, not bitter at all, just think he should/could have done a LOT better, with the resources he had.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: memyhead on November 27, 2018, 22:20:36 pm Perspective.
These same players whom KC has inherited have all failed under previous managers so until the window opens we are lumbered with them. If no one comes in for them then they will no doubt just sit on their lucrative contracts until they expire (see Kasim & to a lesser extent Coddington) so as a club we a going nowhere until the deadwood is shifted. As for KC his remit was/is to keep us in the league as this will make the club more profitable for KT as he tries to sell. All very depressing on and off the field at the moment. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 27, 2018, 22:21:18 pm I before E......except after K
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on November 27, 2018, 22:30:03 pm Nope, not bitter at all, just think he should/could have done a LOT better, with the resources he had. I am afraid you came across as a very bitter fan; perhaps you didnt mean to infer that but that is how it came acros. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: crazycobbler on November 27, 2018, 22:36:53 pm Nope, not bitter at all, just think he should/could have done a LOT better, with the resources he had. I find it quite baffling when people attempt to compare their clubs budget to other teams at this level. I can understand in the premier league where it’s a lot more broadcasted, but unless you’re a ‘big’ club for the division (i.e a Portsmouth or Luton at league two level) how on earth can you know what your clubs budget is in comparison to other clubs. I accept that there are smaller clubs who you can reasonably conclude have smalll budgets (e.g Morecambe), but in a league where most of the time we’re not even told how much a player has been sold for I find it somewhat confusing when I hear a fan say ‘we have a top 7 budget’. How on earth does one know that? By the way this is not solely directed at you, just more of a thought based on your earlier comments. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3230 on November 27, 2018, 22:40:05 pm Keith will do just fine. Solid not spectacular. Keep us up, stabilise us, pass the reigns on to someone else.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on November 27, 2018, 22:45:15 pm I before E......except after K ;D Good one Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: bluebry on November 27, 2018, 23:22:33 pm I find it quite baffling when people attempt to compare their clubs budget to other teams at this level. I can understand in the premier league where it’s a lot more broadcasted, but unless you’re a ‘big’ club for the division (i.e a Portsmouth or Luton at league two level) how on earth can you know what your clubs budget is in comparison to other clubs. I accept that there are smaller clubs who you can reasonably conclude have smalll budgets (e.g Morecambe), but in a league where most of the time we’re not even told how much a player has been sold for I find it somewhat confusing when I hear a fan say ‘we have a top 7 budget’. How on earth does one know that? By the way this is not solely directed at you, just more of a thought based on your earlier comments. Yea I kind of agree with you, but you have to follow the club as closely as I have with Carlisle and I'm sure you have with The Cobblers, I just happen to know what he spent, what he was asking for, what bonuses he was trying to negotiate, the completely unrealistic things he was asking for. He was trying to manage a 4th tier Club, (but he had Premier League expectations), he called it 'professionalism', but he was being totally unrealistic, in other words he was trying to 'manage' a club with 4,000 to 5,000 gates but expecting the budget of say 'Portsmouth' with 19,000 gates, he was being totally unrealistic, hence the chopping and changing, 'big squad attitude' (as of some of the big boys), something at our level will simply just not work. Of course you could blame the board for giving him the money in the first place, however its the same old 'catch twenty two scenario', 'don't give him money and we'll struggle, give him money and maybe we will be ok but more than likely we'll struggle, but hopefully not'?? Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Clarity on November 28, 2018, 06:43:34 am I am afraid you came across as a very bitter fan; perhaps you didnt mean to infer that but that is how it came acros. Not for me he didn’t, he’s just telling us what we can expect. So far I think its a correct assumptionTitle: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: ajp on November 28, 2018, 08:36:15 am A clear style (aimless hoofball) was emerging on Saturday especially 2nd half, that’s a worry for me. Thought those days had gone!
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on November 28, 2018, 08:40:27 am Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2995 on November 28, 2018, 08:46:31 am We have been playing direct since Curle arrived .
Moving the ball forward early and missing the midfield out has been the game plan from day one . It’s appalling football but it was getting results somehow . When it doesn’t work , people get very restless . It also requires accurate distribution from the back and neither Pierre nor Taylor have those skills . We also have no one at all that holds the back up in advance positions . Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: WasRambo on November 28, 2018, 08:50:36 am Wow.
This didn't take long. 2 defeats in 10. Mid table. All from the same bunch that DA couldn't even talk to, let alone get to play. Give the man a chance. He's had no pre-season and been thrown in with us looking like relegation fodder and immediately steadied the ship. Of course he's going to have a look and mix things up. He's having to do it on the job and the last few experiments haven't come off. Last night we got what was coming. But Newport aren't "bad" especially not at home. Their home record is one of the best on show. Anyway, let's see how Curlio reacts. He clearly can get this mob to play, let's see if he's learned from last night. And anyone who moans when (not if) he "tinkers" next game, is a bell. Unless you're suggesting he keeps the same 11 from last night? Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3063 on November 28, 2018, 08:58:58 am Wow. This didn't take long. 2 defeats in 10. Mid table. All from the same bunch that DA couldn't even talk to, let alone get to play. Give the man a chance. He's had no pre-season and been thrown in with us looking like relegation fodder and immediately steadied the ship. Of course he's going to have a look and mix things up. He's having to do it on the job and the last few experiments haven't come off. Last night we got what was coming. But Newport aren't "bad" especially not at home. Their home record is one of the best on show. Anyway, let's see how Curlio reacts. He clearly can get this mob to play, let's see if he's learned from last night. And anyone who moans when (not if) he "tinkers" next game, is a bell. Unless you're suggesting he keeps the same 11 from last night? Well said. But I'm not saying any more on the subject in case I get 'whoosed '. Lots of childish behaviour on this forum :-X Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Gen.Disorda on November 28, 2018, 09:01:37 am Wow. This didn't take long. 2 defeats in 10. Mid table. All from the same bunch that DA couldn't even talk to, let alone get to play. Give the man a chance. He's had no pre-season and been thrown in with us looking like relegation fodder and immediately steadied the ship. Of course he's going to have a look and mix things up. He's having to do it on the job and the last few experiments haven't come off. Last night we got what was coming. But Newport aren't "bad" especially not at home. Their home record is one of the best on show. Anyway, let's see how Curlio reacts. He clearly can get this mob to play, let's see if he's learned from last night. And anyone who moans when (not if) he "tinkers" next game, is a bell. Unless you're suggesting he keeps the same 11 from last night? Pretty much spot on. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on November 28, 2018, 09:07:15 am Not for me he didn’t, he’s just telling us what we can expect. So far I think its a correct assumption Not so sure about that; sure it’s his opinion but I agree with the comment on here that the poster came across as a bit bitter. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 28, 2018, 10:17:31 am We have been playing direct since Curle arrived . Moving the ball forward early and missing the midfield out has been the game plan from day one . It’s appalling football but it was getting results somehow . When it doesn’t work , people get very restless . It also requires accurate distribution from the back and neither Pierre nor Taylor have those skills . We also have no one at all that holds the back up in advance positions . Stop trying to wind us up... Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2677 on November 28, 2018, 10:36:19 am Well said. But I'm not saying any more on the subject in case I get 'whoosed '. Lots of childish behaviour on this forum :-X Nothing childish about the comment. You failed to understand the simple message from 606, and I found your reply to it very funny. We all make fools of ourselves from time to time, welcome to the club.Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: crazycobbler on November 28, 2018, 10:58:28 am Wow. This didn't take long. 2 defeats in 10. Mid table. All from the same bunch that DA couldn't even talk to, let alone get to play. Give the man a chance. He's had no pre-season and been thrown in with us looking like relegation fodder and immediately steadied the ship. Of course he's going to have a look and mix things up. He's having to do it on the job and the last few experiments haven't come off. Last night we got what was coming. But Newport aren't "bad" especially not at home. Their home record is one of the best on show. Anyway, let's see how Curlio reacts. He clearly can get this mob to play, let's see if he's learned from last night. And anyone who moans when (not if) he "tinkers" next game, is a bell. Unless you're suggesting he keeps the same 11 from last night? Spot on. 16 points from 10 games is around playoff form. Also can’t forget that we’ve played 4 of the top 7 in that run (three of them away from home). It’s been an excellent start from KC with what I still believe is a very average squad. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: threeinabed on November 28, 2018, 11:09:01 am what I still believe is a very average squad. you arent the only one who believes this - they are average at best, despite all the guff that comes out from the players and staff Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2995 on November 28, 2018, 11:58:29 am Stop trying to wind us up... No wind up . This is a transition year . Curle needs two windows to get this straight. In the meantime , the football is dire . Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3063 on November 28, 2018, 12:13:22 pm Nothing childish about the comment. You failed to understand the simple message from 606, and I found your reply to it very funny. We all make fools of ourselves from time to time, welcome to the club. At the time I did think he was replying to my post, and not the spelling of KEITH Curle. So, I can understand why you did it, still a bit childish though ;) Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 28, 2018, 12:22:14 pm I'm not surprised performances have dipped a bit. It was a miracle what he got out of our squad anyway. I suppose a few of them are getting wind of his plans in January and performing accordingly. They're not daft, they'll know if they are in favour or not. Even some that have been playing ok will be getting a bit nervy.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: clarkeysntfc on November 28, 2018, 12:33:01 pm I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers.
Keepers Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level Defenders Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal. Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO. Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough. Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Midfielders Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA. McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football. Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams. Kasim - does he exist? Attack Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer. Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals. KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford. Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended. Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal. Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player. So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level. Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on November 28, 2018, 13:43:43 pm I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers. Keepers Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level Defenders Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal. Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO. Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough. Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Midfielders Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA. McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football. Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams. Kasim - does he exist? Attack Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer. Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals. KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford. Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended. Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal. Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player. So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level. Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that. A very accurate picture of where we find ourselves, you're right KC has worked wonders to do what he has with what we've got. As was the case in the summer we have 5 or 6 players that are good enough at this level and capable of mounting a pkay off challenge, but if we want to push on significant movement us needed with the rest of the squad Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest1269 on November 28, 2018, 13:46:03 pm Not going to quote it but a pretty good assessment of our team to date.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Wolvo on November 28, 2018, 14:30:57 pm Very accurate picture of our current squad. We really are half the team when Crooks is out injured.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2677 on November 28, 2018, 15:18:01 pm At the time I did think he was replying to my post, and not the spelling of KEITH Curle. So, I can understand why you did it, still a bit childish though ;) Oh I realised that...The idea that that you thought someone was already calling (seriously) for Curles head was what made your post so funny. Thanks, but there was no need for further clarification ;D Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: sxcobbler on November 28, 2018, 15:53:11 pm I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers. Keepers Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level Defenders Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal. Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO. Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough. Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Midfielders Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA. McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football. Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams. Kasim - does he exist? Attack Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer. Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals. KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford. Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended. Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal. Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player. So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level. Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that. Must agree with that in its entirety ! Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: BedsCobb on November 28, 2018, 16:23:10 pm I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers. #Brutalassessment 😂Keepers Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level Defenders Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal. Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO. Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough. Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Midfielders Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA. McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football. Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams. Kasim - does he exist? Attack Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer. Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals. KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford. Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended. Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal. Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player. So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level. Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2090 on November 28, 2018, 17:52:37 pm I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers. Keepers Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level Defenders Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal. Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO. Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough. Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Midfielders Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA. McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football. Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams. Kasim - does he exist? Attack Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer. Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals. KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford. Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended. Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal. Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player. So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level. Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that. pretty accurate imo, but the assessment of Turnbull and Pierre is harsh. a few weeks ago they were walking on water. I don't think we have seen enough of bridge or waters to write either off, but i suspect Curle has/will Morias has played a reasonable number of L1 games so to call him good L2 after 3 or 4 games is equally harsh Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Coolcat on November 28, 2018, 18:28:52 pm Hi folks Carlisle fan here, not trying to rub your noses in it after such a poor result, but I can honestly say I'm not surprised at some of the comments about 'tinkering', I'm afraid this will go on and on and on................even when you have had a decent result, even when old Curly Chops has 'got his own players in'. You see the problem is he simply can not help himself, he has to **** about with the team, its like its almost inbuilt with him to 'change it'. He will trot out the same old excuses about 'The Northampton Board not matching his ambitions' when the **** hits the fan.......................but at Carlisle he was given the best budget of any previous Carlisle manager, but hey ho we couldn't match 'his ambitions'?????? Any comments about his legs?You Have been warned. Coming down to Northampton in January? Might be in for a tenner! ;) Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Coolcat on November 28, 2018, 18:32:33 pm I have absolutely no doubt he will (at first) make a difference, because players as always will want to impress their new manager, however give it a reasonable amount of games and then the tinkering will start in Earnest, he thinks hes a Premier League Manager in the 4th tier......honestly!! That came to an end last night in Wales! ;DTitle: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Vintage Cobbler on November 28, 2018, 18:54:55 pm Nothing I can recall in last night's post mortem interview with KC about bridges, pillars or foundations. The only good thing about last night.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2995 on November 29, 2018, 07:15:31 am I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers. You could run through any division 2 squad and make the same glass half full assessment .Keepers Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level Defenders Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal. Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO. Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough. Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Midfielders Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA. McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football. Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams. Kasim - does he exist? Attack Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer. Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals. KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford. Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended. Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal. Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player. So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level. Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that. No one has a squad of players that don’t have weaknesses. It’s a case of what tune you can get out of what you have . Additions need to be made and players need to go but we need to get some of these lads playing to their potential . The league is very weak in my view , and yet we look a below mid table side . Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest1269 on November 29, 2018, 09:22:12 am I think KC's comments about not playing JT show he knows he made a balls up on team selection - not sure it's always good as a manager to be totally honest as some will interpret it as weakness or being led by the chattering classes but team selection in 10 days will tell us a bit more about the man.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2995 on November 29, 2018, 10:39:06 am At what point did we start to zonal Mark I wonder ?
I wonder if it’s when we started to concede goals .... Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: rebelspawn on November 29, 2018, 12:25:03 pm I think KC's comments about not playing JT show he knows he made a balls up on team selection - not sure it's always good as a manager to be totally honest as some will interpret it as weakness or being led by the chattering classes but team selection in 10 days will tell us a bit more about the man. I disagree, a good manager should be able to explain the reasoning behind their decisions and to 'Own' them when they don't work out. I remember wilder changing our system to a 4-3-3 away at Mansfield and us having one of the worst first half's we had under him. I think we were 2-0 down at the break. He then changed it at half time and we ended up with a draw. When questioned about it after the game, he said (i am para-phrasing) 'don't blame the players, it was my decision to change the system and it clearly didn't work, i take full responsibility. After we changed it at half time, the players were excellent in the second half' That's the kind of response that gets my respect. Own your mistakes, show that you understand what they were, why they happened and adapt accordingly to avoid them happening again. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2995 on November 29, 2018, 12:41:32 pm We will soon see if KC thinks he made a mistake in dropping JT by witnessing whether he reinstalls him for the next league game.
I doubt he will It’s zonal marking that’s the issue Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Irchy cob on November 29, 2018, 12:58:48 pm It might be something as simple as wanting to have a right/left footed combination so we have balance - don’t get me wrong I would go for a Pierre/Turnbull combination any day of the week as Turnbull looks a more intelligent defender with much better distribution but as they’re both left footed he might not like that. Also Taylor looks an absolute unit but in fact he hasn’t been that dominant in the air for a while now and Turnbull is not exactly small.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 29, 2018, 13:56:37 pm We will soon see if KC thinks he made a mistake in dropping JT by witnessing whether he reinstalls him for the next league game. I doubt he will It’s zonal marking that’s the issue Reinstall him and drop Pierre... 'wink smiley' Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: bluebry on November 29, 2018, 14:41:22 pm I disagree, a good manager should be able to explain the reasoning behind their decisions and to 'Own' them when they don't work out. I remember wilder changing our system to a 4-3-3 away at Mansfield and us having one of the worst first half's we had under him. I think we were 2-0 down at the break. He then changed it at half time and we ended up with a draw. When questioned about it after the game, he said (i am para-phrasing) 'don't blame the players, it was my decision to change the system and it clearly didn't work, i take full responsibility. After we changed it at half time, the players were excellent in the second half' That's the kind of response that gets my respect. Own your mistakes, show that you understand what they were, why they happened and adapt accordingly to avoid them happening again. Unfortunately you wont get any apology from old Curly Chops, hes never wrong you know!! Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on November 29, 2018, 15:06:43 pm I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers. Keepers Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper - simply untrue Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level most likely correct Defenders Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making .............mostly likely correct Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal. - again untrue Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO................. Incorrect Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough.............strange comment Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level. .............incorrect Midfielders Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA. disagree with yr sentiment and biased judgement McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent .......... agree O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.............cynical view point and probably incorrect Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football....................correct Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.....not passsed his best ok squad player Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams................totally incorrect - Average player with limited ability. Kasim - does he exist? ............... silly comment Attack Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer................best of a bunch Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals..................nice guy 20 goals doubtful KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford............wrong again class for us but a red card awaiting. Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended................really if he makes a total of 12 games thats a bonus Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal..... another silly comment. Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player......probably correct. So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level. Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that...........I would say that the squad is capable of bouncing right back particularly if Jan 1st is taken into account, More or less what you would expect from Clarkey: I have commented against each analysis in red Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: MunchyMagic on November 29, 2018, 15:09:55 pm Another Carlisle United supporter here, we are like busses :)
Just like on the Carlisle board, I totally disagree with Bry as since Keith left Carlisle United we have gone backwards and the football is worse - Bry is a good lad but what he fails to mention is how Curle turned us around and turned us into a decent side even getting us into the play-offs, given a full season there is no reason why you shouldn't be challenging which when you look at our last few seasons I am amazed at some fans not rating him, they are in the minority however as Keith won every single 'should we sack our manager' poll well, as in 'keep him'. Our board did not offer him a new deal and then they had various managers in the box with them 'courting' his job and Keith remained dignified. Bry however is an insider as in he works at our training ground so probably knew Keith and most of the players and has more info on him than anyone on here I guess but many of us on the Carlisle Board just believed that the players who were out of favour and not getting a game were getting in Bry's ear and slagging Curle off. I bet that Bry has a good few stories that are true mind you that he wouldn't dare put online :) Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on November 29, 2018, 15:38:19 pm Another Carlisle United supporter here, we are like busses :) Just like on the Carlisle board, I totally disagree with Bry as since Keith left Carlisle United we have gone backwards and the football is worse - Bry is a good lad but what he fails to mention is how Curle turned us around and turned us into a decent side even getting us into the play-offs, given a full season there is no reason why you shouldn't be challenging which when you look at our last few seasons I am amazed at some fans not rating him, they are in the minority however as Keith won every single 'should we sack our manager' poll well, as in 'keep him'. Our board did not offer him a new deal and then they had various managers in the box with them 'courting' his job and Keith remained dignified. Bry however is an insider as in he works at our training ground so probably knew Keith and most of the players and has more info on him than anyone on here I guess but many of us on the Carlisle Board just believed that the players who were out of favour and not getting a game were getting in Bry's ear and slagging Curle off. I bet that Bry has a good few stories that are true mind you that he wouldn't dare put online :) Thanks Munchy - a decent enough counter to Mr Brys effort where I gained the impression that he was representative of your board! Bit misleading there :o; he also sounded a bit bitter? Pleased you made the effort as it puts things in perspective. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on November 29, 2018, 15:51:40 pm I disagree, a good manager should be able to explain the reasoning behind their decisions and to 'Own' them when they don't work out. I remember wilder changing our system to a 4-3-3 away at Mansfield and us having one of the worst first half's we had under him. I think we were 2-0 down at the break. He then changed it at half time and we ended up with a draw. When questioned about it after the game, he said (i am para-phrasing) 'don't blame the players, it was my decision to change the system and it clearly didn't work, i take full responsibility. After we changed it at half time, the players were excellent in the second half' That's the kind of response that gets my respect. Own your mistakes, show that you understand what they were, why they happened and adapt accordingly to avoid them happening again. Well said Rebel - mind you with your Managerial Qualifications, Professional Status and Education you should and have in fact put together a very good response. Well done. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: MunchyMagic on November 29, 2018, 16:38:19 pm Thanks Munchy - a decent enough counter to Mr Brys effort where I gained the impression that he was representative of your board! Bit misleading there :o; he also sounded a bit bitter? Pleased you made the effort as it puts things in perspective. No problem mate. One thing we did notice up here was that when there was a period of drawing too many and the odd loss folk were saying that Curle had lost the dressing room then we would maybe win seven on the trot afterwards, he always made it hard for the board to sack him as he always turned it around. When he saved us from certain relegation (our squad was far worse than what you currently have) in his first part-season was an amazing feat and what I really appreciated is that in the next few seasons we were there or about around the top of the table and when we did not grab promotion it was always a case of being in with a chance up until the last couple of games for promotion meaning the season stayed alive until the end. You've got a good manager there, yes he does tinker at times but so what, the best managers do this as we do not know what goes on in training and what they see in the week. He will not tell you what reason and why he leaves players out which infuriated people up here but normally it was because they were injured and did not want to give the opposition that knowledge and that is normal practice, rumours fly around that he has fell out with said player however. When we were still in with a chance of promotion some guy unfurled a Curle out banner in Brunton Park and got ejected, his prerogative I guess but clubs of our side in with a shout of promotion doesn't happen that often so that baffled me as well. Sheridan is doing okay for us but he is no Curle. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on November 29, 2018, 17:43:45 pm More or less what you would expect from Clarkey: I have commented against each analysis in red Hahahaha Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: bluebry on November 29, 2018, 18:20:56 pm No problem mate. One thing we did notice up here was that when there was a period of drawing too many and the odd loss folk were saying that Curle had lost the dressing room then we would maybe win seven on the trot afterwards, he always made it hard for the board to sack him as he always turned it around. When he saved us from certain relegation (our squad was far worse than what you currently have) in his first part-season was an amazing feat and what I really appreciated is that in the next few seasons we were there or about around the top of the table and when we did not grab promotion it was always a case of being in with a chance up until the last couple of games for promotion meaning the season stayed alive until the end. You've got a good manager there, yes he does tinker at times but so what, the best managers do this as we do not know what goes on in training and what they see in the week. He will not tell you what reason and why he leaves players out which infuriated people up here but normally it was because they were injured and did not want to give the opposition that knowledge and that is normal practice, rumours fly around that he has fell out with said player however. When we were still in with a chance of promotion some guy unfurled a Curle out banner in Brunton Park and got ejected, his prerogative I guess but clubs of our side in with a shout of promotion doesn't happen that often so that baffled me as well. Sheridan is doing okay for us but he is no Curle. Dammm, You've found me Munchy, just when I thought I would get away with saying a few things. You see folks me and Munchy will always disagree about Curly Chops, I think in the past they've been secret lovers Grin I was not trying to put Curly down too much only pointing out what you lot as fans will have to endure. As munchy says I do work where the squad trains, so I do get to know the squads very well, and I got to know KC very well as well. And (cover your eyes here Munchy) I did actually quite like Keith, he was always polite and gracious and always took great interest in what I was doing. My biggest grievance (as with any manager) was the chopping and changing of the squad, Munchy was saying that it was normally due to injuries which I'm afraid is complete rubbish, it was down to Keith thinking he could outsmart the opposition which leads me back to the big squad/premiership attitude, that he had. As Munchy was saying there is a hell of a lot I could divulge about the goings on over the last few years, but I think I'll leave it at that. I suppose at the end of the day its about opinions, Munchy obviously loved him to bits, myself and a good 50% of our support thought differently, which is probably the reason most of us love this bloody stupid game. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Wolvo on November 29, 2018, 18:29:04 pm More or less what you would expect from Clarkey: I have commented against each analysis in red I'm glad you find it 'most likely correct' that Ward and Coddington are unproven at league level. With their combined 1 appearance I was unsure on that particularly point. Why do you think it was a silly comment about Bowditch? Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: MunchyMagic on November 29, 2018, 18:47:50 pm Dammm, You've found me Munchy, just when I thought I would get away with saying a few things. You see folks me and Munchy will always disagree about Curly Chops, I think in the past they've been secret lovers Grin I was not trying to put Curly down too much only pointing out what you lot as fans will have to endure. As munchy says I do work where the squad trains, so I do get to know the squads very well, and I got to know KC very well as well. And (cover your eyes here Munchy) I did actually quite like Keith, he was always polite and gracious and always took great interest in what I was doing. My biggest grievance (as with any manager) was the chopping and changing of the squad, Munchy was saying that it was normally due to injuries which I'm afraid is complete rubbish, it was down to Keith thinking he could outsmart the opposition which leads me back to the big squad/premiership attitude, that he had. As Munchy was saying there is a hell of a lot I could divulge about the goings on over the last few years, but I think I'll leave it at that. I suppose at the end of the day its about opinions, Munchy obviously loved him to bits, myself and a good 50% of our support thought differently, which is probably the reason most of us love this bloody stupid game. When am back up and about I will have to pop up and have that pint Bry and any of your anti-Curle crap then I'll order something from the top row and when you turn around I will t wat you with my crutch lol :) Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3063 on November 29, 2018, 18:49:17 pm This is turning into more of a Carlisle Forum than a Cobblers one ;D
Keep up the good work MunchyMagic and bluebry. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest1269 on November 29, 2018, 18:55:16 pm I'm glad you find it 'most likely correct' that Ward and Coddington are unproven at league level. With their combined 1 appearance I was unsure on that particularly point. Good response - yes that one made me spit out my tea as well ....... Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: bluebry on November 29, 2018, 19:02:11 pm When am back up and about I will have to pop up and have that pint Bry and any of your anti-Curle crap then I'll order something from the top row and when you turn around I will t wat you with my crutch lol :) Your feet wont touch the ground mate my rapid response team will have you out the door before you can say Keith Curle is useless???? ;D Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: MunchyMagic on November 29, 2018, 19:13:27 pm Your feet wont touch the ground mate my rapid response team will have you out the door before you can say Keith Curle is useless???? ;D In that case I will stick to regular tap beer thanks - the lads that frequent your place that I have seen are Carlisle United legends and hard looking rugby playing chaps, you probably served me when I was there. Will say hello when am up there pal, don't get there too often but a few of my mates live in the area and drink in there often so you will probably know them all. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on November 29, 2018, 19:24:48 pm I'm glad you find it 'most likely correct' that Ward and Coddington are unproven at league level. With their combined 1 appearance I was unsure on that particularly point. Why do you think it was a silly comment about Bowditch? It’s a risk signing a non league player so it was a lazy way out saying ‘likely correct’ however perhaps I should have done is remember ‘Vardy’. Regarding Bowditch he has been a failure but to use a throw away comment like using Christmas as an example is a cheap bite! Would have been better to criticise the signing or even just say waste of a contract! Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3245 on November 30, 2018, 00:17:35 am OK.... The Honeymoon is over. I get that.
There are no more tin-cans tied to the exhaust of the Munster-Mobile. The 12-pack of Condoms is all-used up. Y-fronts now get worn beyond 24 hours. But, you know what......?????? We have the best man for the job. What kind of scum are our "supporters" that they even resort to this kind of post? Get behind the best Manager we have had in years..... Else suffocate up your own rectum. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: DrillingCobbler on November 30, 2018, 04:39:01 am OK.... The Honeymoon is over. I get that. There are no more tin-cans tied to the exhaust of the Munster-Mobile. The 12-pack of Condoms is all-used up. Y-fronts now get worn beyond 24 hours. But, you know what......?????? We have the best man for the job. What kind of scum are our "supporters" that they even resort to this kind of post? Get behind the best Manager we have had in years..... Else suffocate up your own rectum. Im struggling to find any posts that suggest he's not made a very fine start, including my own initial one. The odd one about style of play which have been countered. Probably confusing the Carlisle contribution with our own fans, maybe? No ones advocating anything. My initial point was a follow up from the debate of old, about a new managers impact/bounce. I've previously made the point that under each of the previous 4 managers (Page, JE, JFH, Austin) our start has been alright each time, but none of them have sustained it. KC's start has been the most impressive, and it also follows the worst sustained run of bad form. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on November 30, 2018, 13:17:29 pm Im struggling to find any posts that suggest he's not made a very fine start........ You wrote that at 5.40am - fantastic effort! What do you think Frank about such an early riser? Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: bungle on November 30, 2018, 18:10:31 pm Following JFH, Austin etc, Curle is exactly the kind of manager we needed: pragmatic, experienced, tough. His style of play is fairly primitive ATM and appears to involve hoofing it into the channels and playing the percentages.
However, the players appear to enjoy the clarity and simplicity of the instructions after Austin's total football approach and JFH's pseudo-premier league catenaccio. Hopefully the current defensive woes are just a blip in an otherwise upward sweep. In many ways this is reminiscent of when Hoofroyd took over from Johnson and I wouldn't be surprised if Curle's Cobblers career follows a similar trajectory. Let's just hope that, unlike dear old Aidy, Curle is eventually able to evolve. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: MunchyMagic on November 30, 2018, 19:22:02 pm Following JFH, Austin etc, Curle is exactly the kind of manager we needed: pragmatic, experienced, tough. His style of play is fairly primitive ATM and appears to involve hoofing it into the channels and playing the percentages. However, the players appear to enjoy the clarity and simplicity of the instructions after Austin's total football approach and JFH's pseudo-premier league catenaccio. Hopefully the current defensive woes are just a blip in an otherwise upward sweep. In many ways this is reminiscent of when Hoofroyd took over from Johnson and I wouldn't be surprised if Curle's Cobblers career follows a similar trajectory. Let's just hope that, unlike dear old Aidy, Curle is eventually able to evolve. Sounds like he is working out what he has got, Curle controversially hounded out two of our players on arrival (Dicker and Paynter) both on big money but they were made to do extra training and whined to the FA and they were soon jettisoned - Dicker was fairly decent but Paynter was a waste of space, yet they fell foul of Curle and you rarely come back from that. Any 'sulkers' will be firmly kicked in the bollocks and will be gone come January. The weirdest thing for me is that Curle was never sacked by Carlisle United, managers normally get the chop or move onto better things but mutually agreeing to end a contract is an odd one, especially when you are a top ten side. Even stranger is that he took over a pile of crap that was not even Conference North quality (seriously) brought in Asamoah and the rest is history. Odd that we ended up with a far better squad than what our previous manager left us with so I am grateful for that too :) Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Ron Obvious on December 01, 2018, 11:30:45 am You wrote that at 5.40am - fantastic effort! What do you think Frank about such an early riser? It's none of my business. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on December 01, 2018, 14:47:34 pm It's none of my business. Don’t tell me the afternoon 3pm lethargy has got to you as well? Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Ron Obvious on December 01, 2018, 15:18:32 pm Don’t tell me the afternoon 3pm lethargy has got to you as well? Yes, I am all twitchy. Some parts more than others. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Clarity on December 02, 2018, 11:13:33 am Interesting quote below from a recent KC interview. I wonder if this type of conversation is better a little nearer the time.
“We will have discussions with the players individually on Thursday because I’m dealing with a changing room that has got someone else’s profile on it. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Ron Obvious on December 02, 2018, 14:58:24 pm I’m dealing with a changing room that has got someone else’s profile on it. A quick slap of paint should fix that. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 03, 2019, 18:33:37 pm 1st 10 games - Won 4, drew 4, lost 2. 16 points.
2nd 10 games - Won 2, drew 5, lost 3. 11 points. Last 5 games - Won1, drew1, lost 3. 4 points. I think its fair to say that we are now back to square1, and back to precisely where we were when a number of us trudged out of Field Mill after that 4-0 battering. Kieth became our manager the following week. Started off well, very well. Gradually got worse. And have now hit another big big low. What will the next 10 games bring folks? Will he survive them? Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3063 on February 03, 2019, 18:36:19 pm Drilling, it's Keith Curle.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 03, 2019, 18:37:18 pm Drilling, it's Keith Curle. ;D i before e and all that... ;D Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3063 on February 03, 2019, 18:45:26 pm ;D i before e and all that... ;D Not in this case it isn't. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 03, 2019, 19:26:09 pm In all competitions he won six of his first nine games.
Since then.....in the 16 games that have followed we have won TWO (in normal time....i've counted the Checkatrade game at Cambridge as a draw) Yes, I would say we had a decent "new manager bounce" but since then.....a win at Crawley and a home win over Carlisle is it since early November. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: BMON on February 04, 2019, 06:36:10 am We need a Divorce
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: meccanostand on February 04, 2019, 06:40:15 am Anyone rate Jon Brady as a replacement for Curle should he get the heave ho? Couldn't have done a better job with the U-18's.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 04, 2019, 09:05:29 am Anyone rate Jon Brady as a replacement for Curle should he get the heave ho? Couldn't have done a better job with the U-18's. I don't think he wants the job. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: memyhead on February 04, 2019, 18:07:58 pm He was given some slack til the January window as none of the squad were signed by him...
In January he had the opportunity to sign PROPER wing backs so that he could persevere with his beloved 352. The loan signings should all have been experienced just to get us over the line as we've got enough young players within our youth set up who can be integrated once we're safe. Bunney back to Rochdale was bizzare as he's a proper LWB and could have covered Cox while he's injured! I don't care if he's homesick, man up fella, he signed a two and a half year contract with us so surely he knew where Northampton was when he signed! In KC we have yet another manager who continually tinkers and is now playing our most creative player at LWB. Another awful appointment by KT who surely knew KC's preferred formation when hiring him. Just like JED was haven't got the players to play his preferred formation. KT also said when appointing KC he needed to go into the dressing room and ruffle a few feathers yet KC has now come out and said he can't do that to some of the players as they'll go into their shells... What a fvcking shambles of a club! I'm just glad I won't be using my season ticket again until the Port Vale game due to other commitments... Just back in time for a relegation dog fight with a new manager at the helm no doubt.. Hope it doesn't come to this but can't see stubborn KC changing his ways & ever sticking with a settled line up.... Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3114 on February 04, 2019, 19:59:16 pm Curlio, can tinker all he likes or pick a settled side in my view we will continue to struggle. This again in my view is for one reason alone and thats recruitment. Look at our last 3 squads that got promoted and compare them to our current one. Everything you need to know is right there. Or put another way, how many of our current squad would make it into those?
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on February 05, 2019, 10:22:23 am Curlio, can tinker all he likes or pick a settled side in my view we will continue to struggle. This again in my view is for one reason alone and thats recruitment. Look at our last 3 squads that got promoted and compare them to our current one. Everything you need to know is right there. Or put another way, how many of our current squad would make it into those? Probably correct Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: sxcobbler on February 05, 2019, 10:43:52 am Curlio, can tinker all he likes or pick a settled side in my view we will continue to struggle. This again in my view is for one reason alone and thats recruitment. Look at our last 3 squads that got promoted and compare them to our current one. Everything you need to know is right there. Or put another way, how many of our current squad would make it into those? Not many could argue with that........but they were A TEAM .....this is just a squad, one that has little fight and simply have that losing mentality, whether it being prone to letting in late goals or being Ok until the first goal goes in against them. I know Page was a very poor Manager, as was Jimmy....... but Curlio and JED are experienced men at this level & as for Deano... his post match Mansfield quote will go down in history and must have been revisited by Cobblers fans ( a game very similar to Colchester). A true epitaph for this season??? Can it be turned round?, I f^cking hope so, because it doesn't get worse than the Stags and U's second halves. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Battery Man on February 05, 2019, 12:23:46 pm Curle must take his share of the blame for formation and tactics but at the end of the day this team has failed under one guise or another for the last 3 seasons. Maybe the players need to go and see a psychiatrist or a hypnotist to convince them that they are footballers and can perform. It seems that at the minute as soon as we concede a goal we just fall to pieces.
Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: ClarenceInDefence on February 05, 2019, 12:40:03 pm I maintain that most of the problems this season were caused by failure to recruit a half-decent left-back over the summer.
Bunney was loaned to Blackpool and perhaps this was necessary due to getting his likely inflated wages, but to not bring in a replacement LB, leaving us only with Buchanan for the first 5 months of the season was absolute madness IMO. We have been so weak in this area for two seasons now and successive managers have tried and failed for one reason or another) to rectify this issue. JFH initially tried to plug this gap by playing George Smith and Hanley either in Buchanan's place or in front of him in the left of midfield. As soon as the January window opened Bunney was bought in and Buchanan was dropped. Initially Bunney also put in some decent performances and we become a lot tighter at the back (though this was also partly due to Turnbull being bought in at LCB). Then after a few mistakes the crowd got on Bunney's back, he more or less went to pieces and JFH got the sack. Austin brings Buchanan back in and as the record shows, our defensive form got much worse from then on in. Curle came in and to try and plug the LB issue soon began playing three at the back, with Buchs either dropped altogether or playing almost in an attacking midfield role where his defensive liability couldn't be exposed. Early in this window Curle bought in Cox, who immediately replaced Buchs, just as JFH bought in Bunney who also immediately replaced him. Now Cox is injured we're back playing either Buchs in a back 4 (not good enough) or 3 at the back with Buchs as LWB (laughable) or in LM (even more laughable). The system isn't working at the minute, but if anybody thinks it would be any better with Buchs playing any of those roles on the left hand side then they are totally deluded. It's a case of which kind of bread do you want to make your s*** sandwich out of? It's still a s*** sandwich either way. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: ClarenceInDefence on February 05, 2019, 12:51:21 pm I'll add that not only has Curle had to work around the sale of Crooks, but around injuries to Foley and McWilliams as well as a long term absence of JJOT. These four players made up the bulk of our CM (probably the most important area of the pitch) and are all very good players for this level. This has forced him to play Turnbull in CM and either J.Williams or Taylor in Turnbull's place at CB. On top of that Turnbull was injured for the Colchester game. This is probably why JJOT came back in when it felt a little too early for him, because he clearly was off the pace and needs time to build up match fitness.
I for one think it's imperative that Curle is stuck with, people criticising his selections/tactics don't seem to be able to offer alternative solutions and don't seem to acknowledge the wider picture. To sack him now would be madness IMO. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Gen.Disorda on February 05, 2019, 13:53:01 pm I for one think it's imperative that Curle is stuck with, people criticising his selections/tactics don't seem to be able to offer alternative solutions and don't seem to acknowledge the wider picture. To sack him now would be madness IMO. Agreed, and the signings have only added to fitness issues. We are in a rut now in terms of confidence, a rut I hope we can dig ourselves out of. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest48 on February 05, 2019, 15:55:31 pm Now Cox is injured we're back playing either Buchs in a back 4 (not good enough) or 3 at the back with Buchs as LWB (laughable) or in LM (even more laughable). The system isn't working at the minute, but if anybody thinks it would be any better with Buchs playing any of those roles on the left hand side then they are totally deluded. It's a case of which kind of bread do you want to make your **** sandwich out of? It's still a **** sandwich either way. That, in my opinion, is about the best we can do with the current, fit players, maybe give Sordell the last half hour in place of AW and bring JJOT on if any of the midfielders are struggling. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 05, 2019, 16:10:05 pm Good post Barton!!
What I just don't get is Curles persistence in trying to play 3-5-2 when we patently don't have the players for it, but then, having selected that formation we set out to try and nullify the oppositions strengths rather than exploit their weaknesses. That just ends up with players playing in unfamiliar positions getting dragged all over the park and not looking like that have a clue how to play football, not knowing who is supposed to be doing what, and not knowing where their team-mates are when we actually do get hold of the ball and look to play a bit. You can always pass it around the back nicely because, at this level teams don't press with the same intensity as say Liverpool or Man City do. The problems start when you get near the half way line and your own players seemingly don't know where to run to, don't run into space anyway, so you lose the ball, are stretched and leave massive gaps for the opposition to exploit. I couldn't help but notice one of the Colchester goals, their second goal, McWilliams ran past their attacking player in the opposite direction....their man ran right to left, McWilliams came from the left and ended up on the right side of the penalty area........clueless!! Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: meccanostand on February 05, 2019, 16:17:40 pm Maybe he's playing the percentages and genuinely thinks that by the end of the season 3-5-2 will pick up enough points to scrape up.
The obvious concerns are: Oppositions working the tactics out a la Colchester. Couple of heavy defeats killing belief. Injury glut making wing-back system further unviable. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 05, 2019, 16:30:02 pm Maybe he's playing the percentages and genuinely thinks that by the end of the season 3-5-2 will pick up enough points to scrape up. The obvious concerns are: Oppositions working the tactics out a la Colchester. Couple of heavy defeats killing belief. Injury glut making wing-back system further unviable. Does he not think other teams scout us then? We play poxy 3-5-2 every game and leave acres of space.....it doesnt take a genius to work out where our weaknesses lie.....and then if the opposition are good enough, as on Saturday, we end up looking rather silly! Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: ClarenceInDefence on February 05, 2019, 17:24:53 pm OK Clarence, we get that you don't think that Buchs is the answer, so what would you do with our defence? I agree that Buchs is not a wing back but I cant see anyone better in the squad as a left back, unless you put Turnbull there and that means Ash Taylor plays and that means we concede goals. I think that if we go, tonight, with a back four of Facey (because there is no one else), Goode, Pierre and Buchs. Defensive midfield Turnbull and Shaun McW with Bridge and Elsenik in the hole and Junior and Andy W up front. You have then got 6 outfield players who know their job is to defend, not worry if they should be overlapping or anything else. That, in my opinion, is about the best we can do with the current, fit players, maybe give Sordell the last half hour in place of AW and bring JJOT on if any of the midfielders are struggling. This is thread for KC's 'post honeymoon' period in charge and I think an analysis of why and where some of the problems are is fair, especially with so many seemingly calling for KC's head. My point was that people pointing fingers at Curle for certain deficiencies with the team are, IMO, misguided. While I'm well aware of KC's reputation as a bit of a 'tinkerman' I think many of the changes he has made at times have been down to plugging gaps as best as he can and the LB area is probably the most glaring. He is also the second manager in successive January windows to see it as a priority to strengthen in that position (no coincidence) and has been unfortunate that the LB he signed has gotten injured. Does he stick with his current system or stick Buchs back in and let us get torn to shreds there anyway? Because all of the evidence for the last two season suggests that is what will happen. I'll say it again, the failure to recruit a LB over the summer and leave Buchs as our only specialist for that position was grossly negligent. After Saturday and with Turnbull still out I'd be tempted to go with 4 at the back with Pierre at LB and 5 in midfield (If we've even got 5 who are match fit to play there at the moment). Williams up top on his own and Morias and Sordell as second half impact subs. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2995 on February 05, 2019, 17:31:36 pm I maintain that most of the problems this season were caused by failure to recruit a half-decent left-back over the summer. Err Bunney was absolutely useless and he was given plenty of opportunity . It wasn’t just a “ few mistakes” , he was costing us games and it became an embarrassment . We were not tighter with him at all .Bunney was loaned to Blackpool and perhaps this was necessary due to getting his likely inflated wages, but to not bring in a replacement LB, leaving us only with Buchanan for the first 5 months of the season was absolute madness IMO. We have been so weak in this area for two seasons now and successive managers have tried and failed for one reason or another) to rectify this issue. JFH initially tried to plug this gap by playing George Smith and Hanley either in Buchanan's place or in front of him in the left of midfield. As soon as the January window opened Bunney was bought in and Buchanan was dropped. Initially Bunney also put in some decent performances and we become a lot tighter at the back (though this was also partly due to Turnbull being bought in at LCB). Then after a few mistakes the crowd got on Bunney's back, he more or less went to pieces and JFH got the sack. Austin brings Buchanan back in and as the record shows, our defensive form got much worse from then on in. Curle came in and to try and plug the LB issue soon began playing three at the back, with Buchs either dropped altogether or playing almost in an attacking midfield role where his defensive liability couldn't be exposed. Early in this window Curle bought in Cox, who immediately replaced Buchs, just as JFH bought in Bunney who also immediately replaced him. Now Cox is injured we're back playing either Buchs in a back 4 (not good enough) or 3 at the back with Buchs as LWB (laughable) or in LM (even more laughable). The system isn't working at the minute, but if anybody thinks it would be any better with Buchs playing any of those roles on the left hand side then they are totally deluded. It's a case of which kind of bread do you want to make your **** sandwich out of? It's still a **** sandwich either way. I agree that Buchanan has been unchallenged for some time but our problems go much deeper than him . The right back position has in fact been more problematic recently . We need to tighten up massively and I would bring Buchanan into a back four while cox is injured . Two of Foley , JJOT , MacWilliams or Williams then need to sit in front and have Bridge back in the hole where he excelled against Carlisle . Williams and Sordell up front . Pierre and Turnbull in the centre and I would give Cameron MacWilliams a go at right back over Facey . That is a competitive side Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 05, 2019, 17:35:05 pm This is thread for KC's 'post honeymoon' period in charge and I think an analysis of why and where some of the problems are is fair, especially with so many seemingly calling for KC's head. My point was that people pointing fingers at Curle for certain deficiencies with the team are, IMO, misguided. While I'm well aware of KC's reputation as a bit of a 'tinkerman' I think many of the changes he has made at times have been down to plugging gaps as best as he can and the LB area is probably the most glaring. He is also the second manager in successive January windows to see it as a priority to strengthen in that position (no coincidence) and has been unfortunate that the LB he signed has gotten injured. Does he stick with his current system or stick Buchs back in and let us get torn to shreds there anyway? Because all of the evidence for the last two season suggests that is what will happen. I'll say it again, the failure to recruit a LB over the summer and leave Buchs as our only specialist for that position was grossly negligent. After Saturday and with Turnbull still out I'd be tempted to go with 4 at the back with Pierre at LB and 5 in midfield (If we've even got 5 who are match fit to play there at the moment). Williams up top on his own and Morias and Sordell as second half impact subs. You've added a fair bit in defence of KC, so Ill just throw in the obvious 'counters' to balance it out! 1. Taylor. It is becoming more annoying by the game why he keeps picking him, my opinion is that he's the biggest single problem in the team. 2. Facey. He shouldn't have got shot of the Dolphin man, who was much better in my view. 3. His subs. Pretty much every game make us worse. They are also totally reactive much of the time. 4. Wingback system. Regardless of his bad luck with the left back he signed, its clear as day that with the current available personnel, 4-4-2/similar is the best way forward. I don't see many (if any) calling for his sacking at minute, but this weeks massive and that could change very very quickly! Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Shadowstorm on February 05, 2019, 17:38:26 pm Re KC and forever changing systems and formation...The news from the inner sanctum is looking bleak....
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-boss-curle-confirms-he-will-keep-on-tinkering-1-8797145 Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 05, 2019, 17:38:47 pm You've added a fair bit in defence of KC, so Ill just throw in the obvious 'counters' to balance it out! 1. Taylor. It is becoming more annoying by the game why he keeps picking him, my opinion is that he's the biggest single problem in the team. 2. Facey. He shouldn't have got shot of the Dolphin man, who was much better in my view. 3. His subs. Pretty much every game make us worse. They are also totally reactive much of the time. 4. Wingback system. Regardless of his bad luck with the left back he signed, its clear as day that with the current available personnel, 4-4-2/similar is the best way forward. I don't see many (if any) calling for his sacking at minute, but this weeks massive and that could change very very quickly! I don't see many calling for his head.....sure, many are fed up with his tactics, excuses, substitutions, tinkering etc, but it seems like many expect KT to pull the trigger sooner rather than later. I don't know if this is just because KT has form.....or there is something else going on! Edinburgh was sacked after 26 games in charge.....Curle takes charge of his 26th game tonight......just saying!! Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: everbrite on February 05, 2019, 17:56:59 pm I don't see many calling for his head.....sure, many are fed up with his tactics, excuses, substitutions, tinkering etc, but it seems like many expect KT to pull the trigger sooner rather than later. I don't know if this is just because KT has form.....or there is something else going on! Edinburgh was sacked after 26 games in charge.....Curle takes charge of his 26th game tonight......just saying!! I wish Curle and the team the best of luck tonight - 3pts hoped for although a draw is welcome. I haven't given up yet on the Manager 8) or team for that matter. Actually I find your message a bit misleading - do you hope for a decent result tonight? Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: DrillingCobbler on March 03, 2019, 18:28:59 pm 1st 10 games - Won 4, drew 4, lost 2. 16 points. 2nd 10 games - Won 2, drew 5, lost 3. 11 points. Last 5 games - Won1, drew1, lost 3. 4 points. I think its fair to say that we are now back to square1, and back to precisely where we were when a number of us trudged out of Field Mill after that 4-0 battering. Kieth became our manager the following week. Started off well, very well. Gradually got worse. And have now hit another big big low. What will the next 10 games bring folks? Will he survive them? UPDATED: 1st 10 games - Won 4, drew 4, lost 2. 16 points. 2nd 10 games - Won 2, drew 5, lost 3. 11 points. Games 21-26 - Won3, drew2, lost 0. 11 points. So Keith (which I've definitely spelt correctly) is on track to have his best 10 games. This mini run is very encouraging given its the first decent spell of form, new manager honeymoon aside, since Wilder left. 38 points from 25 games would equate to 70 points over the course of a season so edge of play off stuff. These last 5 games have made a huge difference to his stats, which are now impressive given he took over a team which had only accumulated 7 points from its previous 10 games. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Coolcat on March 04, 2019, 11:48:26 am Other people who couldn't spell Keith...
https://goo.gl/images/BKmiaE ;) Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Lukey on March 05, 2019, 02:29:14 am Keith Hill is available, wouldn't mind seeing him in his jazzy attire on the Sixyfields touchline,
However I wouldn't swap our Keith for their Keith, ours gets results, theirs gets 1 cup run in return for 2 years flirting with relegation. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest2995 on March 05, 2019, 07:50:57 am Personally I am not at all keen on Curle .
I don’t like his footballing style or philosophies and I think much of the time he spouts utter rubbish . I also don’t think he’s tried to connect with the fans . Having said that , we are where we are and have to put up with him. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 05, 2019, 09:54:27 am Personally I am not at all keen on Curle . I don’t like his footballing style or philosophies and I think much of the time he spouts utter rubbish . I also don’t think he’s tried to connect with the fans . Having said that , we are where we are and have to put up with him. Maybe so but as long as he achieves we'll not be complaining too loudly. Not there Saturday? He was fist pumping when he came across after the game...not everything I know, but an attempt. Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: wazzacobbler on March 05, 2019, 09:58:06 am I think he is quite an astute character. I interviewed him a couple of weeks ago and he is very good at keeping that balance between not upsetting his staff (the players) while being fairly open about what he is trying to do.
I don't go in on this whole thing of is he good enough for us? Time will tell but while he is the manager and getting results I will support him. Ofcourse, once we are bottom of the league after 5 games next season, I'll want his head! ;D Title: Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period Post by: guest3114 on March 05, 2019, 20:58:03 pm Other people who couldn't spell Keith... i before e except after k, any idiot knows that?https://goo.gl/images/BKmiaE ;) |