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Title: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Carlislefan on January 02, 2019, 16:04:15 pm
Keith very much split a fan base at carlisle, possibly had more fans that liked him then didn't in the end.

Just wondering how you are finding it under him?

Positives and negatives if you can.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BedsCobb on January 02, 2019, 16:08:18 pm
He's about the best we can hope for these days after showing no ambition for over 20 years and sacking an average  3 managers a season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on January 02, 2019, 16:18:39 pm
Overall he's done a reasonable job so far, but to be honest I was much happier a few weeks ago than I am now. He's started to praise the players for playing well and losing, as Dean Austin sometimes did and his match-to-match tinkering is almost at JFH levels. I understood this at first but he's had more than enough time now to make up his mind on players and is making too many changes from one game to the next. With 1 win in 10 games I would prefer my manager to be going all out for a result rather than constantly experimenting by changing half the team (often leaving out in-form players while he's at it).


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 02, 2019, 16:22:32 pm
Average league 2 manager for an average league 2 team.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3230 on January 02, 2019, 16:24:31 pm
As above. Average for an average club that is stagnating.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest2090 on January 02, 2019, 16:27:28 pm
done a decent job, given where we were when he came in.
constant tinkering with selections and formation can't really help anyone.
who he ships our and brings in this month will tell us quite a lot.
i would prefer to judge him in May 2020.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Ron Obvious on January 02, 2019, 16:31:10 pm
I'd have gone for Calderwood if he had been available a few days earlier. But then if you look at his new manager bounce at Cambridge I am glad we have Keith.

Keith needs to be given the summer to make his changes and judged 10-15 games in to next season. I hope he isn't tempted to make unnecessary signings in this window. No short term loans or contracts.

and..

https://youtu.be/nAgjSKp5L-c


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 02, 2019, 16:43:28 pm
Like the other managers before him, we experienced a new managers bounce but things soon returned back to normal. If the pattern continues, our 'reasonable performances combined with poor finishing/defensive errors' will soon turn to routine beatings. We shall see.

I like Kieth though. Its clear that the group of players we have 'lack something' and we have endless debates what that is. Some blame the keeper, some blame the captain(s), some blame our strikers. etc. Some blame an overall 'mentality problem'. Basically its unclear why we cant string together consistent performances given our wage bill, and the cv's of the players we have on the books.

Unless we get close to the trap door (9 points off of it currently) and we don't need yet another new manager bounce in the last few games to increase our chances of survival, he will get this window and the next and that is what I think we all want and hope for.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on January 02, 2019, 16:53:52 pm
Foundations and pillars, and again foundations and pillars, and again and again again and again down down


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: super-si on January 02, 2019, 16:56:12 pm
Good start, but a bit uninspiring of late. One win in ten is very poor form! But he doesn't have a cohesive squad.

I agree that the constant shuffling of the team is frustrating. Play to your strengths more than over worrying about those of your opponent - AKA Hasslebanking!!!

Agree that he has been hamstrung by having to choose from a squad that has been put togther by Uncle Tom Cobblers and all - and he needs to be given time.

Worry that with the way he chatters, players on the training ground may ask each other what he was on about?

Not your typical football manager. Seems more thoughtful than most - but still well qualified to talk b*ll*cks!



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on January 02, 2019, 18:08:19 pm
Unconvinced. Ask this again after the transfer window has closed for a better answer though.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on January 02, 2019, 18:27:47 pm
He's got them more organised than we were but that's not saying much as we were odds on for a double relegation.
Let's see what funds he gets and who he brings in, we desperately need a keeper left back center mid and a winger.
Jury's out at the moment.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 02, 2019, 18:55:48 pm
He's got them more organised than we were but that's not saying much as we were odds on for a double relegation.
Let's see what funds he gets and who he brings in, we desperately need a keeper left back center mid and a winger.
Jury's out at the moment.

Saved me writing the same. Agree entirely


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Ron Obvious on January 02, 2019, 19:01:08 pm
He's got them more organised than we were but that's not saying much as we were odds on for a double relegation.
Let's see what funds he gets and who he brings in, we desperately need a keeper left back center mid and a winger.
Jury's out at the moment.

We have three keepers Cornell, Coddington and Goff (also a very imposing and promising young lad out on loan Bradley Lashley). No point getting another in now. Maybe in the summer.

Left back (wing back), our weakest point, often targeted by the opposition. Buchanan has actually looked reasonable going forward of late but gets done often with a lack of pace when defending. Bring back Bunney.

Centre mid. Mcwilliams, Foley, O'Tool (when fit) Turnbull (if needed) and Jay Williams and Matt Crooks. I think we have enough cover for the remainder of the season.

Winger. Yep, Get your boots on (but only if you're cheap)  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on January 02, 2019, 19:09:12 pm
We have three keepers Cornell, Coddington and Goff (also a very imposing and promising young lad out on loan Bradley Lashley). No point getting another in now. Maybe in the summer.

Left back (wing back), our weakest point, often targeted by the opposition. Buchanan has actually looked reasonable going forward of late but gets done often with a lack of pace when defending. Bring back Bunney.

Centre mid. Mcwilliams, Foley, O'Tool (when fit) Turnbull (if needed) and Jay Williams and Matt Crooks. I think we have enough cover for the remainder of the season.

Winger. Yep, Get your boots on (but only if you're cheap)  ;D
Seriously you want Bunney back  ;D He can't defend to save his life.
Cornell needs some competition, decent loan keeper needed.
McWilliams isn't good enough IMO, OTool is past it we need a dynamic ball winning play maker.
The last person to tell me to get my boots was the Chairman of Celtic  :o


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Ron Obvious on January 02, 2019, 19:11:37 pm
Seriously you want Bunney back  ;D He can't defend to save his life.
Cornell needs some competition, decent loan keeper needed.
McWilliams isn't good enough IMO, OTool is past it we need a dynamic ball winning play maker.
The last person to tell me to get my boots was the Chairman of Celtic  :o

Bunney can put in a good cross. We will have him on the wing and you at LB then!  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on January 02, 2019, 19:12:43 pm
Bunney can put in a good cross. We will have him on the wing and you at LB then!  ;D
I'd be sent off  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Ron Obvious on January 02, 2019, 19:17:28 pm
I'd be sent off  ;D

Bring your own bar of soap then  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on January 02, 2019, 19:49:48 pm
The biggest responsibility of this lark is recruitment. Until your bloke has had a crack at that gig the rest is smoke and mirrors. Whilst one came good to a degree, Vv, Hilda and Bunney last year were a total disaster and were instrumental in getting Jimmy the sack. Had they turned up and set the world on fire like Wilders did things turn out very differently. Like it or not the next 3 weeks will go a long way to defining Curlio. If only we had someone with an eye for a player, whereís Melville when you need him?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on January 02, 2019, 20:28:34 pm
Not a fan, hasn't a clue who to pick and where resulting in a team picked from a hat on matchdays likes a draw and a nonsensical post match interview. He plugged the hole in the leaking ship, but pretty sure another will appears soon




Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 03, 2019, 02:47:33 am
He has really nice white teeth..


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: memyhead on January 03, 2019, 07:33:23 am
He's steadied the ship as we were on a massive downward spiral...

He's very professional and takes no crap which again is what we needed...

He's working with all the other managers signings...

Doing OK so far imo but needs to stop the continual tinkering from now on


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BackOfTheNet on January 03, 2019, 08:58:01 am
I was seriously unimpressed when we appointed Curle but was forced to eat my words when he calmed things down, took us back to basics, made us a harder team to beat and, as a result, lifted us up the table.

Having said that, we seem to be going backwards now with far too many winning positions being thrown away. His team selections and substitutions seem increasingly eclectic and he's at pains to blame players and previous managers when things go wrong. He's got a point, but it's not really something I like to hear in post match interviews!

I think the business done this month will allow us to judge him better, once he is able do a jigsaw with his own pieces rather than with someone else's.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 03, 2019, 09:50:15 am
I was seriously unimpressed when we appointed Curle but was forced to eat my words when he calmed things down, took us back to basics, made us a harder team to beat and, as a result, lifted us up the table.

Having said that, we seem to be going backwards now with far too many winning positions being thrown away. His team selections and substitutions seem increasingly eclectic and he's at pains to blame players and previous managers when things go wrong. He's got a point, but it's not really something I like to hear in post match interviews!

I think the business done this month will allow us to judge him better, once he is able do a jigsaw with his own pieces rather than with someone else's.

Agreed - reminds me a bit of CW. His detractors ought to be spoken to by the Mods! I like KC.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Lukey on January 03, 2019, 17:42:04 pm
I like Keith, he won't take any crap from a player and has shown over the years he can organise a team and get some decent results from a little budget.

We have to remember he's working with a squad that was not his, so once he adds 5 faces to the team we can judge his job here properly.

I just hope he is allowed to bring in some faces during this tranny window.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on January 03, 2019, 17:56:37 pm
I like Keith, he won't take any crap from a player and has shown over the years he can organise a team and get some decent results from a little budget.

We have to remember he's working with a squad that was not his, so once he adds 5 faces to the team we can judge his job here properly.

I just hope he is allowed to bring in some faces during this tranny window.
A tranny window how PC.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Ron Obvious on January 03, 2019, 18:15:38 pm
A tranny window how PC.

I met her in a club down in old Soho...

Don't do a google search for "Tranny Window" everyone. Well at least the members on here who might not have already done so in the past for ..erm....research.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on January 03, 2019, 18:37:23 pm
He'll keep us in League 2. And beyond this season he'll keep us in League 2.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2019, 18:44:17 pm
He'll keep us in League 2. And beyond this season he'll keep us in League 2.

He'll keep us in League 2

Beyond that, he'll keep us in League 2.


Deja Vu from your comment on the day of his appointment  ;D ;D You consistent bast*rd you.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on January 03, 2019, 18:55:07 pm
A number of people seem to be assuming KC will be able to bring in 4-5 players during this window. That's a big ask. We already have a large squad and indications that purse-strings are being tightened. I'm expecting a one-out one-in kind of window and other clubs are most likely to want those players we would rather keep. At least they might command a fee and take more off the wage bill. I think we'll still have too much dead wood at the end of this window, but hope we can offload a few and make at least 3 astute signings.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Ron Obvious on January 03, 2019, 19:00:34 pm
He has really nice white teeth..

Don't forget his Flat Eric legs!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: MunchyMagic on January 03, 2019, 19:45:31 pm
Keith Curle is a star - leave him alone :)

Funny as at Carlisle he left on a high note and got an ovation from the crowd and the directors were singing his praises.

Roll on a couple of months and the same directors and owner were slagging him off for all the money that he spent - erm it was them that were signing the cheques and waited till he had gone to have a sly swipe :)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 03, 2019, 21:00:34 pm
Average!!

Curle with Mansfield....39 wins from 104 games (37.5%)
Curle with Chester....12 wins from 39 games (30.8%)
Curle with Carlisle....79 wins from 207 games (38.2%)
Curle with Cobblers...7 wins form 20 games (35%)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on January 03, 2019, 22:59:10 pm
We have three keepers Cornell, Coddington and Goff (also a very imposing and promising young lad out on loan Bradley Lashley). No point getting another in now. Maybe in the summer.

Left back (wing back), our weakest point, often targeted by the opposition. Buchanan has actually looked reasonable going forward of late but gets done often with a lack of pace when defending. Bring back Bunney.

Centre mid. Mcwilliams, Foley, O'Tool (when fit) Turnbull (if needed) and Jay Williams and Matt Crooks. I think we have enough cover for the remainder of the season.

Winger. Yep, Get your boots on (but only if you're cheap)  ;D

Hi Evers.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on January 03, 2019, 23:23:13 pm
I like Curle, and think he is doing a good job. Extrapolating the teams form while under his stewardship to a whole season would see us probably finish just outside the play-offs. Considering the circumstances in which he took over and with a couple of glaring deficiencies in the team to work around he deserves a lot of credit for this.

I would also put forth that his managerial record overall is far from shabby. While he has not achieved a promotion in his career so far he has come close a number of times (in both L1 and L2), and usually leaves a club in a much better position than which he found it.

While this may not be saying much, he is also IMO a much more sophisticated and intelligent manager than any we have had since Wilder left. I like his laid back style in post-match interviews. He is much the same if we win or if we lose. I don't attribute this to his being indifferent to the result, whichever that may have been, but simply due to his analytical manner and the breadth of his experience. He has seen it all as a player and at this level as a manager. You can tell he is always looking at things from the perspective of the bigger picture, as he often calls it, 'the journey'. I think this detached manner is one of his biggest strengths and will in the medium and long term serve the club well.

In short I am enthused by having him as the clubs manager and can't help but feel, all things considered, that we are lucky to have him as our steward.





Now ask me the same question again in 12 months time and I might well reply that I want the *&!^ sacked asap!   ;D

Until then he gets a  :afro from me.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 04, 2019, 00:50:24 am
I met her in a club down in old Soho...



and you and Nevers have been lovers ever since.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: defender on January 04, 2019, 08:50:14 am
 AS FOR ME. I say he's doing a great job  look where we were and look where we are now.   


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: cobblerwatch on January 04, 2019, 15:31:02 pm
Average!!

Curle with Mansfield....39 wins from 104 games (37.5%)
Curle with Chester....12 wins from 39 games (30.8%)
Curle with Carlisle....79 wins from 207 games (38.2%)
Curle with Cobblers...7 wins form 20 games (35%)

I like him but enough games to make some observations - Chester was less than a season, & for us are still early days with an inherited squad - the telling and very consistent stats are the combined 5 seasons with Mansfield and Carlisle and at 38% would suggest nothing more exciting than safe/nudging play offs. Of course the missing factor is what investment he was allowed during any of those seasons - so, back to safe/nudging play offs next year then.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on January 04, 2019, 15:50:43 pm
Average!!

Curle with Mansfield....39 wins from 104 games (37.5%)
Curle with Chester....12 wins from 39 games (30.8%)
Curle with Carlisle....79 wins from 207 games (38.2%)
Curle with Cobblers...7 wins form 20 games (35%)
GPC, as a matter of interest do you know what Chris Wilders win ratio was from January to May 2014 before he had a crack at the transfer market?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 04, 2019, 15:57:30 pm
Hi Evers.

Go on Frank - take him apart 8)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Ron Obvious on January 04, 2019, 17:16:12 pm
Go on Frank - take him apart 8)

Don't need to, he is starting to unravel all by himself


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 04, 2019, 17:42:17 pm
Don't need to, he is starting to unravel all by himself

He got a bit upset and went awol in big sulk.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 04, 2019, 18:42:08 pm
GPC, as a matter of interest do you know what Chris Wilders win ratio was from January to May 2014 before he had a crack at the transfer market?

Coincidentally enough Wilder was appointed on 27th January 2014......so had 20 games of the season left , with no transfer window to work in.

His record from those 20 games (all league) was 8 wins, 7 draws and 5 defeats. Scored 22, conceded 21, points 31   Win ratio 40%


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest2677 on January 04, 2019, 19:59:31 pm
Coincidentally enough Wilder was appointed on 27th January 2014......so had 20 games of the season left , with no transfer window to work in.

His record from those 20 games (all league) was 8 wins, 7 draws and 5 defeats. Scored 22, conceded 21, points 31   Win ratio 40%
Didn't one or two players follow him through the door before the window closed?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 04, 2019, 20:11:02 pm
Didn't one or two players follow him through the door before the window closed?

Ricky Ravenhill and Alan Cornell both joined from Bradford on 30th January. Ravenhill was a strange one as Boothroyd had him here on loan from Bradford but he then returned to Bradford for a month before Wilder signed him on a permanent basis.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3245 on January 04, 2019, 20:19:03 pm
and you and Nevers have been lovers ever since.

You mean, he was the "sausage man"?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyILwv1KBT4


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3245 on January 04, 2019, 20:36:47 pm
I like Curle, and think he is doing a good job. Extrapolating the teams form while under his stewardship to a whole season would see us probably finish just outside the play-offs. Considering the circumstances in which he took over and with a couple of glaring deficiencies in the team to work around he deserves a lot of credit for this.

I would also put forth that his managerial record overall is far from shabby. While he has not achieved a promotion in his career so far he has come close a number of times (in both L1 and L2), and usually leaves a club in a much better position than which he found it.

While this may not be saying much, he is also IMO a much more sophisticated and intelligent manager than any we have had since Wilder left. I like his laid back style in post-match interviews. He is much the same if we win or if we lose. I don't attribute this to his being indifferent to the result, whichever that may have been, but simply due to his analytical manner and the breadth of his experience. He has seen it all as a player and at this level as a manager. You can tell he is always looking at things from the perspective of the bigger picture, as he often calls it, 'the journey'. I think this detached manner is one of his biggest strengths and will in the medium and long term serve the club well.

In short I am enthused by having him as the clubs manager and can't help but feel, all things considered, that we are lucky to have him as our steward.





Now ask me the same question again in 12 months time and I might well reply that I want the *&!^ sacked asap!   ;D

Until then he gets a  :afro from me.

I agree entirely.  After 2 years of **** & under-performance, I really cannot fathom why there are those who bandy around meaningless stats to make it seems as if we now have the "Devil Incarnate" at the helm.

No two ways about it.  Cobbler fans posting on here about how under-whelmed they are about Curley-Cobblers..... Go and support Peterborough, instead.  They need someone to take them down a peg or two.  Leave the Cobblers to the true supporters!  Go on ... Do one!  My foot up your rrrrs as you leave!

For goodness sake, what did you want after death by a thousand cuts?  An Alien Lord Redeemer?

We have the best manager to get this club back on an even keel after the spend-thrift, clue-less tossers who have been here before.  (JED excepted - I reserve judgement, as he had the "panic" buy syndrome thrust upon him).

Curley-Cobblers rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=485XLD7oPm0



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: SadOldGit on January 04, 2019, 20:46:29 pm
Weird!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 04, 2019, 21:02:56 pm
You mean, he was the "sausage man"?:

Black sausage, Cumberland, Lincolshire or even Italian Fennel Sauages or the Gold Street Sausage as immortalized in Northampton Crown Court a decade ago.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest2677 on January 04, 2019, 21:45:17 pm
Ricky Ravenhill and Alan Cornell both joined from Bradford on 30th January. Ravenhill was a strange one as Boothroyd had him here on loan from Bradford but he then returned to Bradford for a month before Wilder signed him on a permanent basis.
Mcsweeney (who was good) and Sinclair (who was not), also?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on January 04, 2019, 22:04:37 pm
Coincidentally enough Wilder was appointed on 27th January 2014......so had 20 games of the season left , with no transfer window to work in.

His record from those 20 games (all league) was 8 wins, 7 draws and 5 defeats. Scored 22, conceded 21, points 31   Win ratio 40%
Cheers.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Rushdencobbler on January 07, 2019, 15:43:01 pm
I like Curle, I feel sorry for him, as he is having to deal with the previous few seasons poor recruitment and morale, lots of decent players released, average ones offered new deals or signed on.

It is frustrating when he is chopping and changing the 11, but I don't think he has a choice at minute as nobody has set the world alight and deserves a run in the team bar the odd few.


I think he is just testing the character of a few to see if they are up for the challenge, and to be honest it doesn't look like it, this season I don't care which players stay or go, its now time to give a manger chance to stamp some kind mark on the club, give us a bit of an identity.


We seem to have no stomach for any fight or pressure, we seem to be so close to cracking it as we are not losing many, but we cant seem to find that little bit extra to push


All that being said if he doesn't sort it and we are no better come next year, then questions will have to be asked.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on January 07, 2019, 15:56:44 pm
I like Curle, I feel sorry for him, as he is having to deal with the previous few seasons poor recruitment and morale, lots of decent players released, average ones offered new deals or signed on.

It is frustrating when he is chopping and changing the 11, but I don't think he has a choice at minute as nobody has set the world alight and deserves a run in the team bar the odd few.


I think he is just testing the character of a few to see if they are up for the challenge, and to be honest it doesn't look like it, this season I don't care which players stay or go, its now time to give a manger chance to stamp some kind mark on the club, give us a bit of an identity.


We seem to have no stomach for any fight or pressure, we seem to be so close to cracking it as we are not losing many, but we cant seem to find that little bit extra to push


All that being said if he doesn't sort it and we are no better come next year, then questions will have to be asked.


I agree Rushden, well said.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Carlislefan on January 07, 2019, 16:00:55 pm
The rotation is nothing new, it's the weekly changes in formation were puzzling.

He'll soon come with the "I won't sign anyone for the sake of it"


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on January 07, 2019, 17:19:08 pm
The rotation is nothing new, it's the weekly changes in formation were puzzling.

He'll soon come with the "I won't sign anyone for the sake of it"

He already has!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 07, 2019, 22:28:48 pm
Mcsweeney (who was good) and Sinclair (who was not), also?

Good shots on both counts!

Leon McSweeney joined on a free transfer after his release from Carlisle on 30th January, and Emile Sinclair on loan from Crawley on 31st January.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest2677 on January 08, 2019, 08:31:55 am
Good shots on both counts!

Leon McSweeney joined on a free transfer after his release from Carlisle on 30th January, and Emile Sinclair on loan from Crawley on 31st January.
You're much better than Marvo, Gpc!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 08, 2019, 22:49:28 pm
You're much better than Marvo, Gpc!

Just to be compared to the great man is enough....but to actually be called "much better".........wow!! My life is now complete!  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Shoemaker on January 08, 2019, 23:32:38 pm
I think he is always well dressed and imaculately turned out.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest2677 on January 09, 2019, 01:00:24 am
I think he is always well dressed and imaculately turned out.
*Immaculately*


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Ron Obvious on January 09, 2019, 01:27:47 am
His play it out from the back instruction to our players isn't popular with our moronic FORRRRRWWWARRRDDD brigade  ;D l hope we keep doing it just to annoy them.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Parklands Cobbler on January 09, 2019, 07:47:33 am
Clearly the players are told to play it out from the back and there is nothing i like to see more,BUT you need to have the quality defenders to do this and the midfield outlet for this to happen.
We have neither and every goal kick we did this created panic amongst the players.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on January 09, 2019, 09:19:38 am
Clearly the players are told to play it out from the back and there is nothing i like to see more,BUT you need to have the quality defenders to do this and the midfield outlet for this to happen.
We have neither and every goal kick we did this created panic amongst the players.

It's Ok if the tactic is applied with common sense. At times yesterday Cornell was rolling the ball out to players who were already being closed down! It should only be used if the player receiving the ball has a bit of time and space to do something with it. Not exactly rocket science.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: claretparrot on January 09, 2019, 15:07:54 pm
It's Ok if the tactic is applied with common sense. At times yesterday Cornell was rolling the ball out to players who were already being closed down! It should only be used if the player receiving the ball has a bit of time and space to do something with it. Not exactly rocket science.

Precisely. Even Ederson will punt it long if and when all short options have been shut down


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 09, 2019, 15:20:05 pm
My view on Keith Curle is this .
Performances are not improving and results are getting worst.
I think he talks flannel after the game and needs to get a grip of his best team and formation pretty quickly.
The football is very poor and he doesnít convince me .
Stick with him of course , but start earning your crust please Keith


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on January 09, 2019, 17:38:40 pm
My view on Keith Curle is this .
Performances are not improving and results are getting worst.
I think he talks flannel after the game and needs to get a grip of his best team and formation pretty quickly.
The football is very poor and he doesnít convince me .
Stick with him of course , but start earning your crust please Keith

The perfect summary ....


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3245 on January 13, 2019, 00:05:25 am
He is the best manager for this club!

Please see this short clip from many years ago..... especially from 2'50".  Can we get him playing again, is my question.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6REyAsv0TE


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: memyhead on January 16, 2019, 13:49:25 pm
Worth a read...

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/sport/17361832.joe-thompson-book-extract-when-keith-curle-sent-things-flying-in-a-dressing-room-rage-at-carlisle-utd/ (https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/sport/17361832.joe-thompson-book-extract-when-keith-curle-sent-things-flying-in-a-dressing-room-rage-at-carlisle-utd/)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on January 16, 2019, 22:03:32 pm
I note in Curlios interview in the Chron he mentions head of recruitment Simon Tracey. Iíve been walking round with my eyes shut again, when did this happen? Presumably itís the same Simon Tracey who used to play with KC at Wimbledon?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Lukey on January 19, 2019, 01:26:18 am
Fairly old news MelbyC, back in October,

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2018/october/simon_tracey/


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on January 19, 2019, 11:36:11 am
Fairly old news MelbyC, back in October,

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2018/october/simon_tracey/
So it is, missed that one, cheers.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Razor on January 19, 2019, 17:15:33 pm
He's sh*t. Can someone buy him a jigsaw puzzle that's so difficult he has to quit football management in order to solve it?

Bang average journeyman at the very very best.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest2677 on January 19, 2019, 17:17:10 pm
Better footballer than manager.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 19, 2019, 17:20:30 pm
Started off great..now crap
Therefore average.
Too much tinkering and stupid subs.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 19, 2019, 17:43:14 pm
Game management lacking? Last three away games we've conceded in 89th, 93rd and 94th minutes to cost us points.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3230 on January 19, 2019, 17:45:29 pm
He doesn't help himself does he, even when his hands are tied.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: andy scouse on January 19, 2019, 18:03:01 pm
Think there is a definite over reaction to current state of play under Curle. Forced into playing a scratch side today because of injuries particularly in midfield, lets see what he produces by the end of the transfer deadline before saying the trap door to relegation is wide open.Powell seemed to me to be a poor choice of substitute today and not sure of  the logic in taking Morias off, if he had scored his second goal just before he was subbed then the outcome would have been different, small margins in my book. Powell kept giving the ball away in promising positions today according to Radio Noddy.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 19, 2019, 18:44:20 pm
Curle was at fault today .
Ridiculous substitutions when there were other options


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: andy scouse on January 19, 2019, 18:48:45 pm
So what were Curle's other options - divine intervention? Get real.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3230 on January 19, 2019, 18:52:54 pm
I think he had numerous different options.

Easy in hindsight of course.I


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 19, 2019, 18:54:44 pm
So what were Curle's other options - divine intervention? Get real.
The one thing you donít do is expose two young lads playing out of position in a midfield that was already over run .
He could have put Turnbull in there and had Odoffin in the back 3.
He could have shored it up with a back 4 and brought MacWilliams on at right back or Odoffin .
He didnít have to take Morias off who wasnít injured .
No divine intervention needed just common sense .
Suggest you read a book about football .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: andy scouse on January 19, 2019, 20:06:23 pm
Thanks for your enlightening feed back on the substitute options I ignored cos I don't read the same football books as you. Off to the library next week to get that book on enlightened Northamptonians so that I don't make the same mistake again in underestimating the brain power of the me duck brigade.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 20, 2019, 12:29:50 pm
Thanks for your enlightening feed back on the substitute options I ignored cos I don't read the same football books as you. Off to the library next week to get that book on enlightened Northamptonians so that I don't make the same mistake again in underestimating the brain power of the me duck brigade.
You said he couldnít have done anything about the team selection or substitutions .
I was pointing out where you are wrong .
He had a number of options and chose the wrong ones that cost us the game


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3245 on January 20, 2019, 13:03:59 pm
He is a great manager forour club.

His biggest failing is that he does not have a daily 3 hour conference call with all fans to explain:
1. Training Methods
2. Diet & fitness plans for the players
3. Training Targets
4. Opposition scouting reports.
5. Injury status
6. Mental & Physical capabilities of the players.
7. Proposed formation for the next game.
8. Who should play in what position given all of the above.

His next biggest failing is that he does not have a running conference call with all the fans during each match.  This would sure that:
1. He nullifies any un-planned-for threat from the opposition.
2. He capitalises on any unexpected weaknesses in the opposition.
3. The fitness of the players during the match, and their willingness and ability to follow the game plan can be explained.
4. All substitutions occur with the agreement of all fans.


If after all that, and we still lose, then, he really must be a **** manager.




Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on January 20, 2019, 13:10:00 pm
He's sh*t. Can someone buy him a jigsaw puzzle that's so difficult he has to quit football management in order to solve it?

Bang average journeyman at the very very best.

Pretty much this. He's not up to this. I was fuming when he was appointed but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. In his first couple of weeks he dropped Buchs and then Taylor and started to win me over. But the last 2 month's have been dreadful. A win against an awful Carlisle didn't change my opinion. His game management and tactics really are a big concern. What was the length of contract that we have him? I'll be amazed if he sees it out.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest2090 on January 20, 2019, 14:24:38 pm
Pretty much this. He's not up to this. I was fuming when he was appointed but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. In his first couple of weeks he dropped Buchs and then Taylor and started to win me over. But the last 2 month's have been dreadful. A win against an awful Carlisle didn't change my opinion. His game management and tactics really are a big concern. What was the length of contract that we have him? I'll be amazed if he sees it out.

Jesus wept, so you want yet another manager sacked as heís not up to it.  His record suggests he is capable of delivering the target I assume the board set him.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on January 20, 2019, 14:26:46 pm
Jesus wept, so you want yet another manager sacked as heís not up to it.  His record suggests he is capable of delivering the target I assume the board set him.

Well said Fernando. Some of our supporters are beyond a joke.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on January 20, 2019, 15:14:06 pm
You are indeed Kingsthorpe :) I've not said he should be sacked. But have said I'll be amazed if he lasts his contract. Happy to be amazed at that'll mean he has done a good job  :-*


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on January 20, 2019, 16:12:43 pm
Jesus wept, so you want yet another manager sacked as heís not up to it.  His record suggests he is capable of delivering the target I assume the board set him.
You lost any credibility with the first two words of your post!
Anyone using 'Jesus Wept' along with 'fact' is generally a t**t!
Time to change though!  ;)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on January 20, 2019, 16:16:19 pm
You are indeed Kingsthorpe :) I've not said he should be sacked. But have said I'll be amazed if he lasts his contract. Happy to be amazed at that'll mean he has done a good job  :-*
You'd have to get up early to ever beat Drilling for being first to play the 'sack' card! Think he's been first for every manager since and including CW!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 20, 2019, 18:14:12 pm
Iím not calling for him to be sacked but admit it when you have seriously screwed up and donít blame the players and ref .
Curle was at fault yesterday - end of .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 20, 2019, 18:26:45 pm
You lost any credibility with the first two words of your post!
Anyone using 'Jesus Wept' along with 'fact' is generally a t**t!
Time to change though!  ;)
Thats a bit odd - criticizing a fellow fan for blasphemy; then suggesting he has lost credibility. Can only assume you missed out on Special Ale from Black Sheep Brewery?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: bungle on January 20, 2019, 19:12:18 pm
Bang average journeyman.

Harsh, but perhaps fair given the trajectory of his career thus far.

On the other hand, 'average' is a step up from some of the previous incumbents recently.

Unlike others I don't think he's made too many glaring errors. 5-3-2 seems eminently sensible giving the glaring lack of wingers which three successive predecessors have failed to rectify.

We missed Foley yesterday and have been missing O'Toole for a while - most League Two teams would struggle without their most experienced central midfielders. Crooks leaving has obviously exacerbated that and I doubt he had much choice in the matter. As uncomfortable as it is, I really think we need to have some patience on this one.

Given time I have confidence that he will turn us into a solid, mid-table to play-off L2 outfit - his track-record with numerous other sides at this level points to this. The question for me is whether he has the ability to take us any further.




Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on January 20, 2019, 19:58:34 pm
I'm not calling for anyone's head at this point, but I do have reservations about KC. He has it far easier than previous incumbents in that his remit for this season is probably to keep us in the league. While this is by no means a given at this point, it really should be a piece of cake for even a very average manager with the players we've still got. While this lack of pressure has the positive effect of giving him room and time to experiment a little and bring on young players and take a good look at what's "in the building" as he likes to say, it seems to also be becoming an excuse for him to be able to trot out that "players are still getting used to their roles" and "we're still a work in progress" in every post match interview. The truth is that, apart from improved motivation and attitude, which has been present in most games since he came in, there has not been any real progress in the way the team is playing since his first few games in charge, which is where he picked up most of the points we have got under his management.

If he doesn't know his best team and squad by now, after the luxury of far more experimenting than most other managers would get the chance to do, I suggest that is a poor reflection on him as a manager. If he does know it, then I hope he will stop tinkering and give those players a good enough run (injury permitting) to show what they can do. It is time for him to start walking the walk.



I understand the need to offload VV and Crooks and especially Kasim, as our wage bill must be far lower as a result and it isn't feasible to hold on to so
many highly paid players at this level, especially if they aren't bring success. Nevertheless, I would hope for at least 2 more signings before the close of the window so that KC can start to put his stamp on the team as he said he would. He said he wanted Jan to start putting his stamp on the team, and if he doesn't sign anyone it will give out a very negative message to the fans. And of course he'll be able to keep blaming any failure on lack of his own players.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 20, 2019, 20:01:53 pm
You'd have to get up early to ever beat Drilling for being first to play the 'sack' card! Think he's been first for every manager since and including CW!

 ;D

I was massively late to the party with Jimmy and then Austin. I must admit to arriving early to the Page p1ss up. But then I did go to both of his infamous games...boro and Stourbridge.

For the record, I never wanted CW sacked...but I admit to being one or two games away. The rest as they say is history.

With regards to Kieth, on leaving the ground yesterday my frustration was with the chairman. WTF would you sanction 5k a week wages at league1 level, let alone league2...Crooks and KVV have both destroyed any possible movement in the transfer market for both the last 2 managers and he's now clearly cashing his chips in both on and off the pitch to make as much £££ as possible before he departs. Whether we can ride the storm, only time will tell.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Buster on January 20, 2019, 21:25:39 pm
You'd have to get up early to ever beat Drilling for being first to play the 'sack' card! Think he's been first for every manager since and including CW!


What time?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 20, 2019, 22:34:20 pm
I am generally with the positive ones and look upon this criticism of KC as laced with hindsight. This includes the game yesterday. True he could have changed the system but he ....by and large left the defence intact. I am grateful for that as it kept the score down to 3-2.  We have so many fans so wise after the event that it is laughable. If only they were in charge.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 20, 2019, 22:42:44 pm
I'm not calling for anyone's head at this point, but I do have reservations about KC. He has it far easier than previous incumbents in that his remit for this season is probably to keep us in the league. While this is by no means a given at this point, it really should be a piece of cake for even a very average manager with the players we've still got. While this lack of pressure has the positive effect of giving him room and time to experiment a little and bring on young players and take a good look at what's "in the building" as he likes to say, it seems to also be becoming an excuse for him to be able to trot out that "players are still getting used to their roles" and "we're still a work in progress" in every post match interview. The truth is that, apart from improved motivation and attitude, which has been present in most games since he came in, there has not been any real progress in the way the team is playing since his first few games in charge, which is where he picked up most of the points we have got under his management.

If he doesn't know his best team and squad by now, after the luxury of far more experimenting than most other managers would get the chance to do, I suggest that is a poor reflection on him as a manager. If he does know it, then I hope he will stop tinkering and give those players a good enough run (injury permitting) to show what they can do. It is time for him to start walking the walk.



I understand the need to offload VV and Crooks and especially Kasim, as our wage bill must be far lower as a result and it isn't feasible to hold on to so
many highly paid players at this level, especially if they aren't bring success. Nevertheless, I would hope for at least 2 more signings before the close of the window so that KC can start to put his stamp on the team as he said he would. He said he wanted Jan to start putting his stamp on the team, and if he doesn't sign anyone it will give out a very negative message to the fans. And of course he'll be able to keep blaming any failure on lack of his own players.

He is batting with previous incumbents players, had half of his midfield unavailable and had to off load his best two players. Of course he will tinker with players/team but most certainly would have played last Saturdays side but he couldn't.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: bluebry on January 21, 2019, 00:08:24 am
Come on folks, you lot are starting to sound like our lot??
'Tinkering'
'Not knowing his best 11'
'Playing people out of position'
'Playing out from the back, but not having the players to do it'
Maybe I should 'shut up' considering you give us a right good thrashing last week, although I would hope that this was only a 'blip' on our part, (that was the only one we haven't won in our last eight), all done with at least 8 of Curles players from last season, so I suppose you could say hes 'done his homework'.
So kind of proves that he CAN spot a decent player when he sees one, but can he then mould those players into a decent team??????
I'll let you decide.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 21, 2019, 09:10:10 am
He needs to start showing some improvement and stop saying itís work in progress . I donít see evidence of a great deal of progress whatsoever.
We were appalling defensively on Saturday .
They could easily have had 5 or 6 if it wasnít for poor finishing . This is Cambridge we are talking about not a team running away with the league.
Yes , we had players out but so do other teams .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: WasRambo on January 21, 2019, 10:26:37 am
When Curlio took over we were relegation fodder.

After the initial bounce where we looked like we could actually be play off candidates, we've had a clear out (honestly don't know who's decision that was but tend to think it was more about money so maybe not Curlio's doing) we've settled back to what Northampton Town FC are - a bang average L2 side.

If you think we should be more than this then I think you have to look above the manager. OK, KT came in at the right (or wrong time depending on your disposition) and together with Wilder, not only got us out the cr@p but also gave us that false hope that we could actually be something more than a club that yo-yos between the bottom two tiers.

However, KT and whoever is latest allies are, are in it for one thing - the money. Now they've learned the hard way (rather than looking at every other case where someone has tried to make money out of this club) the rug is being pulled.

So, whilst we all want the best for the club, maybe we just have to accept what we are. Accept that basically, we get one good side every 8 or 9 years a la Carr, Wilder and to a lesser extent Calderwood, Atkins and Boothroyd and just go with it.

This club is a magnet for fools who think it's going to lay them a golden egg.

Until someone comes along with a pot of gold to spend on football and not as a prelude to making on top then this is what we are.

So, my thoughts on Curlio - he's probably doing as well as can be expected and deserves time and patience to see if he can bring on some youngsters and mix them with some astute signings.

That's it really....


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: threeinabed on January 21, 2019, 10:54:27 am
we've had a clear out


crooks and KVV? - does that constitute a clear out?

waters was a terrible squad player and kasim was worse.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 21, 2019, 11:10:48 am
crooks and KVV? - does that constitute a clear out?

waters was a terrible squad player and kasim was worse.

Agreed


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 21, 2019, 11:17:32 am
Agreed

We've got shot of circa 650k of the wages...whether that is a figure people believe or not, is up to them.

We've also recouped a few hundred grand in transfer fees. So about a million if you factor that in. Thats the loss that KT implied was coming, before a ball was kicked this season.

So as things stand I reckon we are roughly at break even level.

So as we sit now, its a blank canvass; anything else 'saved' should in theory be put back into the pot, to ensure that we stay up. Of course there is the argument that relegation will ultimately mean significant less revenue next season, so we are surely at the point NOW where a few quid needs to be invested back into the squad to ensure that doesn't happen.

We shall see...


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 21, 2019, 11:21:44 am
Well said Fernando. Some of our supporters are beyond a joke.


Dan used to be a great supporter able to inter-relate with most supporters. Pity to see him join 'les miserables'.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 21, 2019, 11:31:17 am

Dan used to be a great supporter able to inter-relate with most supporters. Pity to see him join 'les miserables'.

You do realise that Dan, and others that you describe as 'negative' are most likely 'positive' at the games and just vent their annoyances on here/twitter etc which is the precise point of such platforms. Works both ways. Id say our support was pretty positive at Cambridge given that we were rolled over for most of the 2nd half. Didn't hear any discontentment myself. And thats because how ever sh1t we are, most of the time people will try to enjoy a football match and take the most out of it. Also didn't hear any booing at the end; people I think were realistic, in that with an 18 year old and 17 year old anchoring the midfield there was heavy mitigation for such a 'lame display'.

If you believe that all is well in the boardroom and you are happy with whats going on, decisions that are being made etc, then thats cool. But sly little remarks towards those who maybe are not just reminds people that you had exactly the same agenda when DC was taking us to the cleaners, that you defended Page, JED, JFH and more recently Austin right to the point that they were sacked and only changed your tune after said events. 

I know you are desperately trying not to engage with 90% of this boards contributors; keep it up, its actually quite amusing!  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 21, 2019, 12:42:27 pm
You do realise that Dan, and others that you describe as 'negative' are most likely 'positive' at the games and just vent their annoyances on here/twitter etc which is the precise point of such platforms. Works both ways. Id say our support was pretty positive at Cambridge given that we were rolled over for most of the 2nd half. Didn't hear any discontentment myself. And thats because how ever sh1t we are, most of the time people will try to enjoy a football match and take the most out of it. Also didn't hear any booing at the end; people I think were realistic, in that with an 18 year old and 17 year old anchoring the midfield there was heavy mitigation for such a 'lame display'.

If you believe that all is well in the boardroom and you are happy with whats going on, decisions that are being made etc, then thats cool. But sly little remarks towards those who maybe are not just reminds people that you had exactly the same agenda when DC was taking us to the cleaners, that you defended Page, JED, JFH and more recently Austin right to the point that they were sacked and only changed your tune after said events. 

I know you are desperately trying not to engage with 90% of this boards contributors; keep it up, its actually quite amusing!  ;D

Will reply later but you ŗre master of assumptions and about turns!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on January 21, 2019, 13:32:24 pm
You do realise that Dan, and others that you describe as 'negative' are most likely 'positive' at the games and just vent their annoyances on here/twitter etc which is the precise point of such platforms. Works both ways. Id say our support was pretty positive at Cambridge given that we were rolled over for most of the 2nd half. Didn't hear any discontentment myself. And thats because how ever sh1t we are, most of the time people will try to enjoy a football match and take the most out of it. Also didn't hear any booing at the end; people I think were realistic, in that with an 18 year old and 17 year old anchoring the midfield there was heavy mitigation for such a 'lame display'.

If you believe that all is well in the boardroom and you are happy with whats going on, decisions that are being made etc, then thats cool. But sly little remarks towards those who maybe are not just reminds people that you had exactly the same agenda when DC was taking us to the cleaners, that you defended Page, JED, JFH and more recently Austin right to the point that they were sacked and only changed your tune after said events. 

I know you are desperately trying not to engage with 90% of this boards contributors; keep it up, its actually quite amusing!  ;D

Appreciate that mate. As always, did my bit to get the crowd going for the 90 and thought the fans were very supportive on the whole. As will be the case at Lincoln and Stevenage next month.

Most of my frustrations are firmly towards our owner. I went to his first meet and greet in 2016 and was sold the dream just like everyone else. But have fully accepted that he's filled us with a lot of false promises. I'll leave it here until the end of the transfer window as I'd like to think as an NTFC supporter, that our "Football man" in charge of the club is fully aware of how desperately we need reinforcements. Do the right thing Kelv.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: WasRambo on January 21, 2019, 13:37:33 pm
crooks and KVV? - does that constitute a clear out?

waters was a terrible squad player and kasim was worse.

OK, not exactly a fire sale but 1/5 of the probable first team and half it's "spine" if the spine is considered to be GK, CB, CM and CF.

I'm not saying we should have kept them necessarily - KvV and Crooks were undoubtedly our most talented players but also our most frustrating.

Even so, you'd think they were among the first names Curlio would be putting down each week and so far, it'd be hard to say he's been able to replaced them with equal or better - there's been no direct replacements signed and debatable whether Bridge and Morais are as good, certainly technically (though they may put more in).



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 21, 2019, 13:46:37 pm
Fundamentally the goal is to reach 50 points or thereabouts and keep the club in the league. Yes, some fans, the odd player and bloody Oglethorpe on the radio have talked up our chances of a play off run but it is just not going to happen. Curle's role is to get us to the summer and hit a giant reset button on the squad.

I believe that we have the below players who are out of contract come May:
Coddington
Facey
Buchanan
Foley
Powell
Bowditch
Bridge
O'Toole
Iaciofano
Cox (loan)

Under contract beyond May:
Cornell
Odoffin
Taylor
Hoskins
A Williams
Morias
Pierre
McWilliams
Turnbull
J Williams
Roberts
Whaler
Waters
Bunney

I've left out Pollock & C McWilliams because I couldn't find their contractual situations.

Just one look at some of the people under contract beyond the end of this season tells you all you need to know. This is a big re-building job for Curle and it's going to take a year/18 months to get right.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 21, 2019, 13:49:46 pm
Appreciate that mate. As always, did my bit to get the crowd going for the 90 and thought the fans were very supportive on the whole. As will be the case at Lincoln and Stevenage next month.


Agreed, and I believe that if it wasn't for their late winner the team would have been applauded from the field by all in the stand because we would have gotten a way with it.  
Unfortunately once their winner went in it was like a fire drill!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 21, 2019, 13:52:13 pm
Fundamentally the goal is to reach 50 points or thereabouts and keep the club in the league. Yes, some fans, the odd player and bloody Oglethorpe on the radio have talked up our chances of a play off run but it is just not going to happen. Curle's role is to get us to the summer and hit a giant reset button on the squad.

I believe that we have the below players who are out of contract come May:
Coddington
Facey
Buchanan
Foley
Powell
Bowditch
Bridge
O'Toole
Iaciofano
Cox (loan)

Under contract beyond May:
Cornell
Odoffin
Taylor
Hoskins
A Williams
Morias
Pierre
McWilliams
Turnbull
J Williams
Roberts
Whaler
Waters
Bunney

I've left out Pollock & C McWilliams because I couldn't find their contractual situations.

Just one look at some of the people under contract beyond the end of this season tells you all you need to know. This is a big re-building job for Curle and it's going to take a year/18 months to get right.

Theres not a lot of wages tied up beyond this season; only 4 or 5 of that lot are going to be on decent wedge, or beyond this divisions average wage. And you'd probably carry them in any case, Taylor plus Bunney aside. Bunney may be a problem, he's barely played this season.

KC should have plenty of room to go and get his jigsaw pieces come May, assuming he has a 'competitive overall budget' of course.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 21, 2019, 14:34:12 pm
a)You do realise that Dan, and others that you describe as 'negative' ......

b)If you believe that all is well in the boardroom and you are happy with whats going on, decisions that are being made etc, then thats cool. But sly little remarks towards those who maybe are not just reminds people that you had exactly the same agenda when DC was taking us to the cleaners, that you defended Page, JED, JFH and more recently Austin right to the point that they were sacked and only changed your tune after said events. 

c)I know you are desperately trying not to engage with 90% of this boards contributors; keep it up, its actually quite amusing!  ;D

a)I never called Dan negative ; I know Dan too! He does very well in cheerleading too. My opinion is that he seems to be slipping slowly into the negative camp at least on here which I think is a pity. I appreciate if you withdraw your misleading comments.

b) This is typical Drilling baloney. Nobody is happy on here with KT /Boardroom current situation  as he has not finished the East Stand Off. Please advise me with instances on the sly little remarks I have made in the context of your opening sentence in b). If you cannot please offer an apology to put this wrong right. Then you had the nerve to mention DC etc when I have reiterated my stance. You merely post comments to suit yr agenda. Again please apologize for misleading observations. This coming from the bloke who vilified CW and several players too!

c) Not sure what you are getting at ??? What is the point of the emoji?

I would suggest you calm down abit and remember we all have to put an extremely disappointing result behind us without too many of us getting so negative to the point of making extreme comments.  


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: WasRambo on January 21, 2019, 14:36:41 pm
Facey, Foley and Bridge are the only ones (at this moment) I'd be keen to hang on to. They can all do a job at this level. I still think Facey will come good with the right nurturing

Taylor and Waters probably need to be shifted but the rest of those under contract are fine by me.

Hoskins and Bunney are maginals for me. I still think there's a player in Bunney and don't believe he's been particularly well treated by previous managers.

That said, it doesn't look like Curlio fancies him much otherwise surely we'd have recalled (assuming we can)



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 21, 2019, 14:56:36 pm
a)I never called Dan negative ; I know Dan too! He does very well in cheerleading too. My opinion is that he seems to be slipping slowly into the negative camp at least on here which I think is a pity. I appreciate if you withdraw your misleading comments.

b) This is typical Drilling baloney. Nobody is happy on here with KT /Boardroom current situation  as he has not finished the East Stand Off. Please advise me with instances on the sly little remarks I have made in the context of your opening sentence in b). If you cannot please offer an apology to put this wrong right. Then you had the nerve to mention DC etc when I have reiterated my stance. You merely post comments to suit yr agenda. Again please apologize for misleading observations. This coming from the bloke who vilified CW and several players too!

c) Not sure what you are getting at ??? What is the point of the emoji?

I would suggest you calm down abit and remember we all have to put an extremely disappointing result behind us without too many of us getting so negative to the point of making extreme comments.  

If this was a court course, and this was your closing statement in defence, I wouldn't even bother with a statement of my own. Theres enough out there for the jury to make a decision!  ;D

However, its a forum. So Ill have a go at answering you. Look mate. I have nothing personal against the chairman, and I've made that point many times. I have nothing personal against any of our players, even Ash Taylor. I've even remarked that I believe him to be a decent player, just wrong club wrong time in my opinion. I've defended Hoskins to the hilt, where the majority have been more than negative towards his contributions (on here, not at games I hasten to add).

If you have followed my general observations with regards to the ownership of the club, I have only been highly critical of it during the last few weeks. Prior to that, I was 'main stream'. However. There comes a time when enough is enough. I've also been privy to some good information which has pushed me towards being considerably more opinionated on the matter. I have shared some of that information, albeit I have not said who my source is. And wont. To summarise it, I believe the current board is now not actively looking to sell, unless it gets a stupid offer from someone. That is speculative admittedly, Im merely explaining to you why I am rather anti certain aspects of the football club at this present moment in time.The selling of KVV and Crookes, that was called months ago, and not just by me but several people. It was inevitable, especially given the position in the league we find ourselves in. But our situation is now much worse than it was at the start of the transfer window, and with Macclesfield's resurgence and an upcoming game versus the divisions 22nd placed team, it come be 3 points very very soon, especially if we have to put out a side resembling the side that played in the 2nd half at Cambridge. This is a big week for us.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 21, 2019, 14:58:01 pm
Out of my list above I would say that the only ones I would be pissed off if we lost are McWilliams, Morias, Pierre, Turnbull and possibly OíToole for sentimental reasons.

Even Pierre & Turnbull are pretty marginal.

The rest, except the youth players / J Williams can all do one as far as I am concerned.

I would not be offering deals to any of the out of contract players.

I may change my tune if Bridge becomes a proper number 10 to hang on to.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 21, 2019, 15:09:07 pm
If this was a court course, and this was your closing statement in defence, I wouldn't even bother with a statement of my own. Theres enough out there for the jury to make a decision!  ;D

However, its a forum. So Ill have a go at answering you. Look mate. I have nothing personal against the chairman, and I've made that point many times. I have nothing personal against any of our players, even Ash Taylor. I've even remarked that I believe him to be a decent player, just wrong club wrong time in my opinion. I've defended Hoskins to the hilt, where the majority have been more than negative towards his contributions (on here, not at games I hasten to add).

If you have followed my general observations with regards to the ownership of the club, I have only been highly critical of it during the last few weeks. Prior to that, I was 'main stream'. However. There comes a time when enough is enough. I've also been privy to some good information which has pushed me towards being considerably more opinionated on the matter. I have shared some of that information, albeit I have not said who my source is. And wont. To summarise it, I believe the current board is now not actively looking to sell, unless it gets a stupid offer from someone. That is speculative admittedly, Im merely explaining to you why I am rather anti certain aspects of the football club at this present moment in time.The selling of KVV and Crookes, that was called months ago, and not just by me but several people. It was inevitable, especially given the position in the league we find ourselves in. But our situation is now much worse than it was at the start of the transfer window, and with Macclesfield's resurgence and an upcoming game versus the divisions 22nd placed team, it come be 3 points very very soon, especially if we have to put out a side resembling the side that played in the 2nd half at Cambridge. This is a big week for us.


The argument should be based on your first message not hearsay from other people.  The simple fact is you as usual have over reacted to Saturdays defeat and no long winded replies will disguise that.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 21, 2019, 15:15:32 pm
The argument should be based on your first message not hearsay from other people.  The simple fact is you as usual have over reacted to Saturdays defeat and no long winded replies will disguise that.

I haven't over reacted, unless you count the hour or so after I got home afterwards. Which I basically acknowledged at the time.

Our league position is now precariously; and could be considerably more so IF we lose on Saturday. Of course, if we were to win then we will probably be alright treading water for 2-3 weeks afterwards.

Like I said, its a big week.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 21, 2019, 15:28:20 pm
I haven't over reacted, unless you count the hour or so after I got home afterwards. Which I basically acknowledged at the time.

Our league position is now precariously; and could be considerably more so IF we lose on Saturday. Of course, if we were to win then we will probably be alright treading water for 2-3 weeks afterwards.

Like I said, its a big week.



I wouldn't even bother, mate. You'd have more success trying to educate treacle. ;)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on January 21, 2019, 15:32:59 pm
Out of my list above I would say that the only ones I would be pissed off if we lost are McWilliams, Morias, Pierre, Turnbull and possibly OíToole for sentimental reasons.

Even Pierre & Turnbull are pretty marginal.

The rest, except the youth players / J Williams can all do one as far as I am concerned.

I would not be offering deals to any of the out of contract players.

I may change my tune if Bridge becomes a proper number 10 to hang on to.
Maybe Foley?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3103 on January 21, 2019, 17:13:14 pm
I wouldn't even bother, mate. You'd have more success trying to educate treacle. (talking about EVERBRITE) ;)

 ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 21, 2019, 17:16:49 pm
The argument should be based on your first message not hearsay from other people.  The simple fact is you as usual have over reacted to Saturdays defeat and no long winded replies will disguise that.

Cant you ever just bite your tongue and shut the f@ck up, rather than constantly sniping and trying to get one over on whomever you disagree with?

IMO this board would be a much happier place without (most of) your input.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boring Bar Steward on January 21, 2019, 17:22:11 pm
Cant you ever just bite your tongue and shut the f@ck up, rather than constantly sniping and trying to get one over on whomever you disagree with?

IMO this board would be a much happier place without (most of) your input.


I would even accept Everbrite taking a weeks break fom posting his 'I have a view on everything' preaching!

Will you accept the invitation Everbrite (12813 so far!)?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3103 on January 21, 2019, 17:24:37 pm


IMO this board would be a much happier place without (most of) your input.


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Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 21, 2019, 18:42:32 pm
I would even accept Everbrite taking a weeks break fom posting his 'I have a view on everything' preaching!

Will you accept the invitation Everbrite (12813 so far!)?

I take the point it would help if others follow your advice.;


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 21, 2019, 18:48:39 pm
I take the point it would help if others follow your advice.;

He wasn't talking to others ;) so :-X ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3103 on January 21, 2019, 18:49:27 pm
I take the point it would help if others follow your advice.;

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Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 21, 2019, 19:23:45 pm
When Curlio took over we were relegation fodder.

After the initial bounce where we looked like we could actually be play off candidates, we've had a clear out (honestly don't know who's decision that was but tend to think it was more about money so maybe not Curlio's doing) we've settled back to what Northampton Town FC are - a bang average L2 side.

If you think we should be more than this then I think you have to look above the manager. OK, KT came in at the right (or wrong time depending on your disposition) and together with Wilder, not only got us out the cr@p but also gave us that false hope that we could actually be something more than a club that yo-yos between the bottom two tiers.

However, KT and whoever is latest allies are, are in it for one thing - the money. Now they've learned the hard way (rather than looking at every other case where someone has tried to make money out of this club) the rug is being pulled.

So, whilst we all want the best for the club, maybe we just have to accept what we are. Accept that basically, we get one good side every 8 or 9 years a la Carr, Wilder and to a lesser extent Calderwood, Atkins and Boothroyd and just go with it.

This club is a magnet for fools who think it's going to lay them a golden egg.

Until someone comes along with a pot of gold to spend on football and not as a prelude to making on top then this is what we are.

So, my thoughts on Curlio - he's probably doing as well as can be expected and deserves time and patience to see if he can bring on some youngsters and mix them with some astute signings.

That's it really....
It's hard to disagree with this. We've had a carrot dangled of what might be possible for this club a few times only for it to be pulled away each time. Anyone remember DC's 5 year plan to get into the Championship?! My dream is to see us play at that level at least one season before I die. I'm 44 so hopefully got plenty of years to cling on to this hope, but we are really as far away from that target as we have ever been. The biggest, crying shame was how we never capitalised on the magnificent Title-winning side of 2016. At least after 1987 and 1997 and also 2006 we had hope and kept the dream alive for a bit longer before being back to mediocrity.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on January 26, 2019, 23:21:38 pm
Worried about his recruitment. Three loan boys when an experienced player looking to secure a contact for next season is needed


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: memyhead on January 26, 2019, 23:28:02 pm
Big week for KC...

Still needs to offload several players and bring in some experience to get us to safety...

Constant tinkering not helping with any continuity whatsoever...

No idea what Odoffin has done wrong as he's a far better option than fvcking Hoskins at rwb!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 27, 2019, 00:29:01 am
No happy with Curleís demeanour after the game .
Seemed quite jovial and thought we made progress .
We are going backwards Keith and playing poor football against very poor sides .
We are a terrible football team and no better than the worst teams in the division.
Shape up man . Itís not acceptable .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest2677 on January 27, 2019, 07:46:57 am
The man likes jigsaws.
I wondered where Cobbler78 had got to.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on January 27, 2019, 08:04:17 am
No happy with Curleís demeanour after the game .
Seemed quite jovial and thought we made progress .
We are going backwards Keith and playing poor football against very poor sides .
We are a terrible football team and no better than the worst teams in the division.
Shape up man . Itís not acceptable .

I agree, from where I sit behind the dug out it is easy to see his body language and demeanour - I appreciate that he seems to have come in with a calm and serene image (Iíve no idea if this is his thing or the way he thinks he should operate here) but yesterday in the second half he didnít look massively bothered with a calm smile on his face. Iíd like to see him a bit more animated as the players tend to reflect the manager. If we are in a mess off the pitch then I think heís missing a trick in not trying to bring everyone together to create some kind of a siege mentality - itís almost like heís convinced weíre in no trouble and in the meantime someone should tell him weíre involved in a dogfight.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 27, 2019, 08:48:14 am
I don't for a moment think KC is the cause of our our current problems but he is not helping them with constantly tinkering with the side and playing people out of their natural positions, e.g. Bridge who finally played in his normal position against Carlisle and had a blinder.  I also wonder if KC is showing signs of being delusional about his favourite pick, Hoskins, when he said in yesterday's post match interview "I'm sure when he gets that first goal he will go n a run."  Take a look at Hoskins' record and think again, Keith.  I appreciate that he is not the only player to single out for criticism, you can add D. Powell and Bowditch and others to the list of serial under-performers.  For over 3 years ever since we lost Holmes & Adams we who pay good money to watch our team have been crying out for the obvious, wide players with pace, the ability to get beyond defenders, cross the ball accurately and, yes, even score goals when golden opportunities present themselves. So, what does the management go and do but sign more conventional midfielders.

I don't think KC is being helped by the fact that Thomas has closed his (I mean Bower's) wallet and the transfer window has only 4 days to go. KC is struggling badly with his jigsaw and foundations.

Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy ride for the remainder of this dismal season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on January 27, 2019, 08:54:40 am
Keith Floyd is a clown .... Got a few results playing 442 and then didnt play it again.  Talks a complete load of rubbish after then game and ive not yet heard him take any responsibility,  very good at telling us how good he is.

Would we be in a worse position no if we had stuck with Austin .... or longer term going right back to Sampson


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 27, 2019, 09:04:35 am
Sammo was let down by his Chairman.  History has a nasty habit of repeating itself at our club.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on January 27, 2019, 09:07:09 am
While Curle isn't great, if we had kept Austin, we would 100% have been bottom of the league and well adrift. His last game in charge at Mansfield still haunts me. It was a disgrace.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 27, 2019, 09:35:10 am
His appointment didnít fill me with joy, almost a journeyman steady lower league manager without a promotion on his CV.

He is operating with both his hands tied behind his back though...the wage bill has been slashed, high earners sold off and replaced by young loanees, and probably only those we can get where the parent club continues to pay the wages.

This window was/is all about cutting costs, the powers that be donít believe we will go down, and certainly didnít believe we would go up, so itís a nothing season.

Having said that he tinkers for the sake of it, some of his selections and tactics are baffling, and his substitutions and game management are also obscure sometimes. Pretty much par for the course for a fourth division manager!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on January 27, 2019, 09:53:23 am
While Curle isn't great, if we had kept Austin, we would 100% have been bottom of the league and well adrift. His last game in charge at Mansfield still haunts me. It was a disgrace.

Yes, no matter how bad (or good) the players were/are, they need to be believing in the manager's tactical nous and strategy. Not saying Curle is great - utterly pissed off with not only his tinkering but self praise and total lack of sharing the blame when it invariably goes wrong. However, Austin clearly did not have the players buying into him, no matter what crumbs of tactical nous he possessed!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: meccanostand on January 27, 2019, 10:04:14 am
Yes, no matter how bad (or good) the players were/are, they need to be believing in the manager's tactical nous and strategy. Not saying Curle is great - utterly pissed off with not only his tinkering but self praise and total lack of sharing the blame when it invariably goes wrong. However, Austin clearly did not have the players buying into him, no matter what crumbs of tactical nous he possessed!

His style of play is ok when we are winning but pretty turgid otherwise. You'd fancy him in a relegation battle though wouldn't you. Other managers would have lost that.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 27, 2019, 10:14:44 am
I am sure that his brief on appointment was to keep the club in L2.  That is where we are as a club and that is the height of our ambition.  We can't blame Curle for our wider struggles, we can for his constant tinkering and selecting players out of position and players who constantly fail.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on January 27, 2019, 13:01:42 pm
You'd fancy him in a relegation battle though wouldn't you. Other managers would have lost that.

Not really no,  hes dragging us into one.  Other managers would have won that game yesterday, and got a point at Cambridge


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 27, 2019, 20:31:59 pm
Curle just seems to think that we are work in progress and that poor performances are par for the course .
They are not acceptable and we are making nil progress . Thatís nil .
This club and its supporters expects more . Start pulling it together Keith


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Lukey on January 27, 2019, 21:31:51 pm
Steve Evans and Paul Raynor are available now, they know this division inside out like Keith.

I would rather we keep Keith, but Steve would give some of those players a kick up the rear.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on January 27, 2019, 22:43:27 pm
A relegated squad that was/has significant short comings, in free fall and in desperate need of an over haul. One January transfer window where it is pretty much proven that buying players at this time of year doesnít work as the availability of decent players is severely limited. Loan signings of young players making their debut. A chairman desperate for an exit with all the agendas that brings. Despite all this we are unbeaten at home in god knows how long and have suffered 4 defeats in 24 games under Curle. Look, thereís no getting away from the fact that the performance against Morecambe was poor, and there are points of annoyance with Curlio. Whilst thereís no denying most of the posts on this subject make valid points, I just think that our expectations are a bit unrealistic at the moment?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on January 28, 2019, 16:11:26 pm
A relegated squad that was/has significant short comings, in free fall and in desperate need of an over haul. One January transfer window where it is pretty much proven that buying players at this time of year doesnít work as the availability of decent players is severely limited. Loan signings of young players making their debut. A chairman desperate for an exit with all the agendas that brings. Despite all this we are unbeaten at home in god knows how long and have suffered 4 defeats in 24 games under Curle. Look, thereís no getting away from the fact that the performance against Morecambe was poor, and there are points of annoyance with Curlio. Whilst thereís no denying most of the posts on this subject make valid points, I just think that our expectations are a bit unrealistic at the moment?

I think we all know where we are at, as far as Curle is concerned, as soon has he hits upon something that works, he changes it, that's what worries me about him, 4 at the back was a success, he changed it to shoe horn Taylor in. Bridge attacking central puts in a mom performance and his best for the club , he moved him next game, Turnball did a job in midfield but he chose to throw Pollock on last week instead of Odoffin and push turnball back un midfield. We can all see his flaws, again on Saturday bizzare subs and selection , dropping our top scorer and playing someone in his position who hasn't scored this season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 28, 2019, 16:42:50 pm
Bury were in the same position....they had a squad which on paper looked decent, had spent a lot of money on players and wages, yet like us were relegated with a whimper.

What they did in the summer though was to ship out a load of under-performing players and replace them with new ones (7 players out and 11 players in), they have also released a couple, loaned four more out and brought in some decent loan signings.....and now sit up near the summit of the division.

We on the other hand made minimal changes to our under-performing and de-motivated squad.....yet are surprised we find ourselves on the edge of a relegation battle.

True, most of that is not Curles fault....his shortcomings are detailed in earlier postings, but if only we'd appointed him in the summer instead of going for the cheap option in retaining half of the failing management team we had last year I doubt we'd be in the position where we find ourselves now.

Unfortunately Curles first transfer window coincides with the time that the Chairman decides to slash costs so his hands seem tied to a great extent.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Cordwainer2 on January 28, 2019, 16:46:04 pm
Steve Evans and Paul Raynor are available now, they know this division inside out like Keith.

I would rather we keep Keith, but Steve would give some of those players a kick up the rear.
If Evans is ever appointed, I will hand in my season ticket.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 28, 2019, 17:17:10 pm
Steve Evans and Paul Raynor are available now, they know this division inside out like Keith.

I would rather we keep Keith, but Steve would give some of those players a kick up the rear.

Did you have a Hangover this morning?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: cobblerwatch on January 28, 2019, 19:45:49 pm
If Evans is ever appointed, I will hand in my season ticket.

100% - bad to the bone - Paul Raynor incidentally is totally useless & players at Boston called him Churchill (the dog not the man) as his only response to bully boy Evans was ďoh yesĒ and totally incapable of offering his own opinion.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 28, 2019, 20:25:49 pm
If Evans is ever appointed, I will hand in my season ticket.

I will come and collect!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3230 on January 28, 2019, 20:27:35 pm
Steve Evans! Christ is that what it's come to, people wishing for Steve **** Evans.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on January 28, 2019, 20:37:43 pm
Steve Evans! Christ is that what it's come to, people wishing for Steve **** Evans.

?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BackOfTheNet on January 28, 2019, 20:49:09 pm
Say what you like about Steve Evans, he commands the respect of his players.

https://youtu.be/atuyPVOxwyQ (https://youtu.be/atuyPVOxwyQ)

Um, no, let's leave that one well alone, shall we....


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teyn and proud on January 29, 2019, 19:21:49 pm
I think Iíve worked with KC on one of the building sites ive been on cos all he mentions is pillows and foundations


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 30, 2019, 10:16:00 am
If Curle loses the next three matches ?......


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3230 on January 30, 2019, 10:31:32 am
If Curle loses the next three matches ?......

He'll still be here.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: MCHammer on January 30, 2019, 10:43:08 am
Don't overly rate the guy but it's time to stick with someone for a change and back him properly both the club and fans.  He's a step up on the previous idiots....not a big step mind.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 30, 2019, 10:55:00 am
Hmmmm . Iím not so sure .
KT is ruthless and we have gone nowhere .
Letís see shall we


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 31, 2019, 23:34:57 pm
Curle asked us to judge him after he gets players that fit his jigsaw .....
Iím not sure we will learn anything from this transfer window where expediency seems to be the order of the day with a host of loan players .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: MCHammer on January 31, 2019, 23:41:02 pm
Curle asked us to judge him after he gets players that fit his jigsaw .....
Iím not sure we will learn anything from this transfer window where expediency seems to be the order of the day with a host of loan players .

In fairness this window was never going to be his judgement day.  You only have to look at all the other deals to understand how difficult January is.

Window shut.  We are where we are it's time to pull together and see this season through now.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 01, 2019, 00:42:09 am
In fairness this window was never going to be his judgement day.  You only have to look at all the other deals to understand how difficult January is.

Window shut.  We are where we are it's time to pull together and see this season through now.
Agreed , the supporters have a part to play in this but the club and the manager needs to connect with us more and be a lot more transparent.
We are treated as idiots at times - just be honest with us !


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on February 01, 2019, 11:48:07 am
I shudder to think what permutations KC can come up with around Hoskins and Taylor for Saturday's squad.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: threeinabed on February 01, 2019, 12:02:55 pm
I shudder to think what permutations KC can come up with around Hoskins and Taylor for Saturday's squad.

if hoskins starts this week - there really is no hope.

its like a poor mans ryan gilligan without the goals


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 01, 2019, 13:21:39 pm
In fairness this window was never going to be his judgement day.  You only have to look at all the other deals to understand how difficult January is.

Window shut.  We are where we are it's time to pull together and see this season through now.

You tell 'em MCH ....you rell 'em!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on February 01, 2019, 17:39:30 pm
Hmmmm . Iím not so sure .
KT is ruthless and we have gone nowhere .
Letís see shall we

You have got to be joking. Curle took over when we had 7 points in 10 matches (were we sitting in the bottom two?) and turned it around pretty quickly.

We have been massively unfortunate with injuries recently meaning we have faced a tricky few weeks made more difficult due to the sale of Crooks and VV followed by a gap between us being able to bring in extra reinforcements. With Crooks sold and JJOT, McWilliams and Foley injured, we essentially lost our entire central midfield. This situation has harmed our form in the last few games without a doubt.

However, we have claimed 27 points in a total of 19 league matches and are still unbeaten at home under his watch.

If we claim a similar point-per-game ratio in the final 17 as we did in Curle's first 19 games, we will finish not far off 60 points. With players returning from injury and the new signings I see no reason to disbelieve that we will reach that target.

Curle is massive step-up from JED, Page, JFH and Austin IMO and he needs another year to see what he can do.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Trickymicky on February 01, 2019, 19:09:56 pm
if hoskins starts this week - there really is no hope.

its like a poor mans ryan gilligan without the goals


Spot on!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: phil on February 02, 2019, 16:44:50 pm
Just another ****.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: corno_ntfc on February 02, 2019, 16:54:06 pm
His jigsaw puzzle looks further from completion than ever.

Odd team selections, and persistence with the 352.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on February 02, 2019, 17:01:14 pm
Jesus wept, so you want yet another manager sacked as heís not up to it.  His record suggests he is capable of delivering the target I assume the board set him.

Think it's safe to say after the Transfer window and now today, I want him out.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on February 02, 2019, 17:11:30 pm
You have got to be joking. Curle took over when we had 7 points in 10 matches (were we sitting in the bottom two?) and turned it around pretty quickly.

We have been massively unfortunate with injuries recently meaning we have faced a tricky few weeks made more difficult due to the sale of Crooks and VV followed by a gap between us being able to bring in extra reinforcements. With Crooks sold and JJOT, McWilliams and Foley injured, we essentially lost our entire central midfield. This situation has harmed our form in the last few games without a doubt.

However, we have claimed 27 points in a total of 19 league matches and are still unbeaten at home under his watch.

If we claim a similar point-per-game ratio in the final 17 as we did in Curle's first 19 games, we will finish not far off 60 points. With players returning from injury and the new signings I see no reason to disbelieve that we will reach that target.

Curle is massive step-up from JED, Page, JFH and Austin IMO and he needs another year to see what he can do.



Of our 27 points gained under KC, 13 came from his first 7 matches. That means we've now taken 14 points from our last 13 matches, which is relegation form. We've had injuries (like most sides) and it's true our central midfield has been hard-hit. But vV and Matt Crooks were here while we got relegated last year and left when we were well into the bottom half of the table this year so I don't see them as a great loss.

The problem is that, after a good start, his team now seems just as clueless as it did under the other managers you mention. I hope KC is a step up, but he's yet to prove it.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: barton cobbler on February 02, 2019, 17:32:55 pm
His insistence on playing 3-5-2 when we don't have any wing backs, I'm afraid, will cost us our League status. Today was embarrassing, In the 2nd half Goode came over and basically asked KC "What the **** is going on?" The midfield was non existent, I don't think anyone got a tackle in at all in the 2nd half. He either needs to play players in the correct positions or go, some of the things he does you wouldn't get a schoolboys teams doing.
 PS Sorry if that's too negative Gareth   :-[   


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Zen Master on February 02, 2019, 17:33:26 pm
How many minutes of the season were Bristol Rovers in the bottom two when they got relegated? We need to be careful and not complacent


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 02, 2019, 17:46:02 pm
How many minutes of the season were Bristol Rovers in the bottom two when they got relegated? We need to be careful and not complacent


At this stage of the season, in 2014 Bristol Rovers had 34 points from 30 games......were in 18th place.....and went down on the last day with 50 points!

And we were bottom.....with 26 points and ended up surviving with 53.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 03, 2019, 00:44:08 am
Curle staring there is a rift in the changing room is deflecting attention from himself .
No player on that bench deserves automatic selection.
He can only be referring to Buchanan , Williams and Williams . No one else except Hoskins could possibly have a voice .
The truth is , none of them have been shining lights and no one can complain at being left out .
Only Cornell , Bridge and Turnbull have a right to be in that side currently


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on February 03, 2019, 01:07:11 am
Listening to Curle on the radio and summing up today's performance he will be gone by Easter and I've called the last tree sackings spot on.
Please please please Kelvin Thomas just fcuk off.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Buster on February 03, 2019, 09:36:42 am
In my opinion the man is obstinate and narccistic, a common trait in many football managers at all levels. Heís got his system and by hell or high water the players will fit into it - or donít get selected.  Half the team will continue to play like strangers because heíll continue to experiment with them within his system, inabling them to form any kind of rapport.  Once in a while heíll get lucky and the selection will work, but rather than build on it, it just makes him more arrogant to experiment (moving Bridge wing back after his performance in the middle is a typical example).

Heís an intelligent manager, but canít take criticism or accept blame.  He has a selective view of a game so doesnít recognise (or refuses to acknowledge) the issues, as shown by his Ďfine marginsí comments yesterday.

I think weíll stay up but probably due more to the deficiencies of other teams than anything Keith Curle does...



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3103 on February 03, 2019, 10:11:13 am
In my opinion the man is obstinate and narccistic, a common trait in many football managers at all levels. Heís got his system and by hell or high water the players will fit into it - or donít get selected.  Half the team will continue to play like strangers because heíll continue to experiment with them within his system, inabling them to form any kind of rapport.  Once in a while heíll get lucky and the selection will work, but rather than build on it, it just makes him more arrogant to experiment (moving Bridge wing back after his performance in the middle is a typical example).

Heís an intelligent manager, but canít take criticism or accept blame.  He has a selective view of a game so doesnít recognise (or refuses to acknowledge) the issues, as shown by his Ďfine marginsí comments yesterday.

I think weíll stay up but probably due more to the deficiencies of other teams than anything Keith Curle does...



A fine post.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 03, 2019, 10:39:04 am
Curle staring there is a rift in the changing room is deflecting attention from himself .
No player on that bench deserves automatic selection.
He can only be referring to Buchanan , Williams and Williams . No one else except Hoskins could possibly have a voice .
The truth is , none of them have been shining lights and no one can complain at being left out .
Only Cornell , Bridge and Turnbull have a right to be in that side currently


Williams twice? Surely you're not suggesting Jay Williams.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: cobblerwatch on February 03, 2019, 10:52:11 am
There is a lot of negativity towards KC at the moment - and in my opinion correctly so.

His insistence on a formation that doesn't work for the players we have, playing Taylor when the statistics of performance with or without are compelling, bizarre substitutions and favoring the likes of Powell over better players has been discussed at length here.

Of course we will get the "voices of reason" that say who are we to judge a professional football manager with years of experience - well my answer to that one is close to Buster's comments - tactical ability is only one aspect of a successful manager but character and people management being a much larger part. Currently KC is clearly seriously failing on that - however given our 2 year track record this clearly goes deeper than the simple ability of the actual manager - something is seriously wrong at our football club - KC in my opinion is never going to take this club forward but his inevitable departure will change nothing until we have a fundamental change on the heart (ownership) of our football club.  


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: defender on February 03, 2019, 10:53:35 am


 i feel he will get it right, but i wish he would go with 3-5-2.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: meccanostand on February 03, 2019, 11:00:04 am
That he went with 3-5-2 knowing Colchester's style of play and that they had signed two rapid wingers is just nuts really.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on February 03, 2019, 11:48:33 am
That he went with 3-5-2 knowing Colchester's style of play and that they had signed two rapid wingers is just nuts really.

I agree with your point but neither of the 2 wingers they signed started the game - McGreal brought Eisa on for the start of the second half and if it was tactical then it was an inspired decision and one that KC didnít react to. Having said that their number 7 ripped us apart in the first half in any case.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: meccanostand on February 03, 2019, 12:40:33 pm
I agree with your point but neither of the 2 wingers they signed started the game - McGreal brought Eisa on for the start of the second half and if it was tactical then it was an inspired decision and one that KC didnít react to. Having said that their number 7 ripped us apart in the first half in any case.

True dat.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: SadOldGit on February 03, 2019, 19:25:20 pm
He will be sacked.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 03, 2019, 19:42:17 pm
He will be sacked.

One day he probably will be.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 03, 2019, 19:47:21 pm
Williams twice? Surely you're not suggesting Jay Williams.
Iím not suggesting anything .
KC said there were players on the bench not happy they werenít playing .
Iím just pointing out that can only really refer to three players from the bench yesterday .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 03, 2019, 19:55:45 pm
Iím not suggesting anything .
KC said there were players on the bench not happy they werenít playing .
Iím just pointing out that can only really refer to three players from the bench yesterday .

No, he said there are players in the changing room. What he means is there are players within the squad. I agree, Andy Williams seems frustrated at not starting and David Buchanan possibly. But I can't see young Jay Williams being unhappy at not starting when he's only recently got a pro deal.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on February 03, 2019, 20:24:29 pm
No, he said there are players in the changing room. What he means is there are players within the squad. I agree, Andy Williams seems frustrated at not starting and David Buchanan possibly. But I can't see young Jay Williams being unhappy at not starting when he's only recently got a pro deal.

I think he probably means Bowditch, Turnbull (if not injured) and Buchanan, who I think has been playing much better under KC and therefore may be annoyed at not starting. I can't be sure, obviously, but now is a very bad time to start having problems in the changing room. It is also a very bad time to start using a 3-5-2 system that we're ill equpped for. If that's the system he wants, go for it next year with appropriate changes in personnel. This year it might just get us relegated.

The only thing I think he got right on Saturday was fielding a more "physical" team. Our youngsters have promise, but look a bit lightweight and get bullied off the ball. IMO that includes Jay Williams, despite the bright future I'm sure he has. However, we need to use a system more suited to our players and we need a better combination of grit and pace in midfield JJOT and Elsnik are both slow, and Elsnik doesn't seem very strong in the tackle. Let's hope we either play 5-3-2 from now on to shore up the defence or 4-4-2. Whichever he chooses I hope he sticks with it long enough for players to start gaining an understanding of it and plays the same team at least twice in a row. Perhaps he'll start taking some blame for our defeats too rather than always blaming the players, as if he has no influence over the way they play.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on February 04, 2019, 12:01:49 pm
Canít judge Curlio completely until the squad is his own. Trouble is that once it is and if he then fails weíre back to a new bloke working with someone elseís squad as per the last few seasons. Still he could possibly succeed, heíll then be off to manage a championship club and weíre back to a new bloke working with someone elseís squad as per the last few seasons.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Battery Man on February 04, 2019, 12:38:50 pm
Canít judge Curlio completely until the squad is his own. Trouble is that once it is and if he then fails weíre back to a new bloke working with someone elseís squad as per the last few seasons. Still he could possibly succeed, heíll then be off to manage a championship club and weíre back to a new bloke working with someone elseís squad as per the last few seasons.

I agree on this, but I think as it is not completely his own squad then he should look closely at his 352 set up and also zonal marking and go back to playing what the players understand and know can work. Once he has his own players then go for his preferred way of playing, or at least change it until we are safe then mess around all you like.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 04, 2019, 12:57:27 pm
A new manager always has to inherit other peopleís players and systems .
It takes three or four transfer windows to get your own players in whether you are a premier league manager or a Conference manager .
If you donít make the most of what you inherit - then you donít get the time needed to get your own players in .
In my view , Curle hasnít got the best out of what we have got yet and needs to get things sorted out on the training pitch . We look a shambles and have failed to close down and pick up properly for weeks on end now.
I have heard he is not around as much as you might expect . Maybe he needs to get some focus himself and shape up .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on February 04, 2019, 13:50:56 pm
I've heard through the grapevine that there are some very unhappy campers in the dressing room, seems like the constant chopping and changing is taking its toll.
Curlio is beginning to loose the dressing room.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on February 04, 2019, 14:05:28 pm
I've heard through the grapevine that there are some very unhappy campers in the dressing room, seems like the constant chopping and changing is taking its toll.
Curlio is beginning to loose the dressing room.

He as much as said that on Saturday mate, and who can blame them


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2019, 14:12:33 pm
He as much as said that on Saturday mate, and who can blame them

False News :o


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 04, 2019, 14:34:46 pm
I've heard through the grapevine that there are some very unhappy campers in the dressing room, seems like the constant chopping and changing is taking its toll.
Curlio is beginning to loose the dressing room.
Two more games , maybe three


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on February 04, 2019, 15:30:19 pm
He as much as said that on Saturday mate, and who can blame them

Yeah. I'm with Boot and Shoe. I think he will be gone before the end of the month. Things aren't right at all.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 04, 2019, 16:22:20 pm
I cant see KT making another managerial change unless the gap comes down to 3 or 4 points. Thankfully, Macc have lost their last 2 so have made no dent into it.

I reckon for Curle to keep his job, its all about that gap. 6 or 7 (with a game in hand) is 'comfortable' but 3 or 4 (without a game in hand) equals game on.

Including cup games, we've been appalling for 15 or so games bar the win versus Carlisle and the odd 45 minutes or so here and there. Its impossible to put up a case for Curle at the minute given he got the players showing what they are capable of during his honeymoon period and when he kept things simple. He's also had a transfer window and has brought in 5 of his own players in it.

Tomorrow and Saturday...we need something from one of them. Id say we need 4 points from the next 3 games to settle things down, otherwise we could yet see yet another manager. Its been a farce for a long time!



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 04, 2019, 16:52:02 pm
Yeah. I'm with Boot and Shoe. I think he will be gone before the end of the month. Things aren't right at all.

This seems to be an on-going problem. It has been said about the last five managers - that things aren't right. I'm coming to the conclusion that's it's nothing to do with the managers and everything to do with the players. Let's hope we can get to the summer still in league 2 and get rid of most of them.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on February 04, 2019, 17:53:22 pm
This summer is a big chance to rid the squad of the underperformers and start a fresh. I suspect the players know it so have downed tools.

I dont trust KFC to be the man to do it.  For me id sack him and go all out for Paul Hurst or Paul Heckingbottom

Giving Curle the keys to the vault in June will set us back 3 years.

Biggest problem is anybody who is anybody will want cash to spend.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Shoemaker on February 04, 2019, 18:18:28 pm
Keith might not want to spend and be more understanding
Therefore heís the man :o


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 04, 2019, 18:39:40 pm
I think there will be little patience shown to Curle and a ď no dealĒ plan will be in place if this terrible form continues.
Personally I think he should stay despite the fact he has under performed badly and is full of twaddle.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: memyhead on February 04, 2019, 19:03:23 pm
He was given some slack til the January window as none of the squad were signed by him...

In January he had the opportunity to sign PROPER wing backs so that he could persevere with his beloved 352. The loan signings should all have been experienced just to get us over the line as we've got enough young players within our youth set up who can be integrated once we're safe.

Bunney back to Rochdale was bizzare as he's a proper LWB and could have covered Cox while he's injured!
I don't care if he's homesick, man up fella, he signed a two and a half year contract with us so surely he knew where Northampton was when he signed!

In KC we have yet another manager who continually tinkers and is now playing our most creative player at LWB.

Another awful appointment by KT who surely knew KC's preferred formation when hiring him.
Just like JED was haven't got the players to play his preferred formation.

KT also said when appointing KC he needed to go into the dressing room and ruffle a few feathers yet KC has now come out and said he can't do that to some of the players as they'll go into their shells...

What a fvcking shambles of a club!

I'm just glad I won't be using my season ticket again until the Port Vale game due to other commitments...

Just back in time for a relegation dog fight with a new manager at the helm no doubt..

Hope it doesn't come to this but can't see the stubborn KC changing his ways & finally stick with a settled line up....





Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teyn and proud on February 04, 2019, 19:26:30 pm
There is only one word to sum up the club over the last two years thatís shambolic


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on February 04, 2019, 19:32:58 pm
There is only one word to sum up the club over the last two years thatís shambolic

Not according to KT if you believe his interviews over the last couple of years!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teyn and proud on February 04, 2019, 19:34:10 pm
Looking at the last 5 managers not one of them had an ounce of savvy about them all I can say is they must all be saying what KT  wants to hear I thinks as chairman go we would be better under ho chi meun


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on February 04, 2019, 19:58:19 pm
Looking at the last 5 managers not one of them had an ounce of savvy about them all I can say is they must all be saying what KT  wants to hear I thinks as chairman go we would be better under ho chi meun

Sure I heard his name over the Hanoi on Saturday!  :P


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: SadOldGit on February 04, 2019, 20:08:02 pm
Nice one me old china.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teyn and proud on February 04, 2019, 20:24:07 pm
This is good old music hall humour


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on February 04, 2019, 20:41:27 pm
Give KC the boot...get VC in!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on February 04, 2019, 20:45:49 pm
I've heard through the grapevine that there are some very unhappy campers in the dressing room, seems like the constant chopping and changing is taking its toll.
Curlio is beginning to loose the dressing room.
Even worse, he appears to have lost this forum?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on February 04, 2019, 20:56:04 pm
Even worse, he appears to have lost this forum?
;D yep he was getting dogs abuse from the west stand on Satdy


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: memyhead on February 04, 2019, 21:17:19 pm
Can honestly see us getting battered at Tranmare & Lincoln...

Then the 6 pointer v Crawley at home where big Ollie Palmer out muscles AT & scores their winner...

Then it's surely bye bye KC...


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 04, 2019, 21:28:05 pm
Can honestly see us getting battered at Tranmare & Lincoln...

Then the 6 pointer v Crawley at home where big Ollie Palmer out muscles AT & scores their winner...

Then it's surely bye bye KC...

Sounds like wishful thinking. Can I ask, how many managers do you want us to get through? There is one common denominator, the players not the manager.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: memyhead on February 04, 2019, 23:43:51 pm
Sounds like wishful thinking. Can I ask, how many managers do you want us to get through? There is one common denominator, the players not the manager.

Last thing I want is for us to sack yet another manager but how long can he continue playing a system that does not suit the players we have?

He had the opportunity to rectify this in the transfer window...and failed. Odoffin was a better RWB than Facey who has been poor this season. Yet Odoffin was released.

Playing Bridge LWB is a complete waste of his creativity as a number 10...

Making numerous changes EVERY FVCKING GAME thus negating any team continuity whatsoever...

Picking Ash Taylor every game when fit don't help either...

Let's hope he ditches the 352 starting tomorrow...


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BedsCobb on February 05, 2019, 07:00:35 am
Forced to sell/ get rid of 3 of his best players to balance the books, surely he deserves some leeway?
He was brought in to stop the rot, help trim the wage bill and avoid relegation, this he is doing.
I'm really hoping the landscape will look a whole lot different at the start of next season, one in which progress can be made both on and off the pitch.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: threeinabed on February 05, 2019, 07:51:26 am
Forced to sell/ get rid of 3 of his best players to balance the books, surely he deserves some leeway?
He was brought in to stop the rot, help trim the wage bill and avoid relegation, this he is doing.
I'm really hoping the landscape will look a whole lot different at the start of next season, one in which progress can be made both on and off the pitch.


he hasnt stopped the rot

he has added to it if anything


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 05, 2019, 07:57:42 am
He had the transfer window to address the deficiencies in the squad, but more importantly to bring in players that suited his preferred formation.
How many wing backs did he bring in??

Still square pegs in round holes!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 05, 2019, 08:27:31 am
Forced to sell/ get rid of 3 of his best players to balance the books, surely he deserves some leeway?
He was brought in to stop the rot, help trim the wage bill and avoid relegation, this he is doing.
I'm really hoping the landscape will look a whole lot different at the start of next season, one in which progress can be made both on and off the pitch.

Yep , heís trimmed the wage bill ...
where are you getting the other facts from ?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on February 05, 2019, 09:48:25 am
I seriously question his agenda here. We put in arguably our best performance against Carlisle with Bridge scoring two and he changes it the next game! Most managers if not all would stick with the same team but not Keith. I find his constant changing of the team ever so slightly annoying  :-[


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 05, 2019, 10:32:47 am
I seriously question his agenda here. We put in arguably our best performance against Carlisle with Bridge scoring two and he changes it the next game! Most managers if not all would stick with the same team but not Keith. I find his constant changing of the team ever so slightly annoying  :-[

That's note quite true. Cambridge away was the next game and Bridge played as the 10 there. It was only the subsequent game that he was shifted to LWB due to Cox injury.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on February 05, 2019, 11:05:30 am
That's note quite true. Cambridge away was the next game and Bridge played as the 10 there. It was only the subsequent game that he was shifted to LWB due to Cox injury.
Apologies you're right and I was there (pissed again)!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 05, 2019, 11:12:07 am
That's note quite true. Cambridge away was the next game and Bridge played as the 10 there. It was only the subsequent game that he was shifted to LWB due to Cox injury.

Bridge played ok 1st half  but disappeared 2nd! I seem to recall he took a knock?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on February 05, 2019, 11:40:46 am
Bridge played ok 1st half  but disappeared 2nd! I seem to recall he took a knock?

The whole midfield disappeared when he bought pollock on, that's not a dig at Pollock or Williams.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on February 05, 2019, 11:42:19 am
Lets get rid of the bad apples they said, theyre upsetting the changing room they said , Crooks KVV and Kasim gone, weve got worse and the rift is getting bigger


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Battery Man on February 05, 2019, 13:24:58 pm
Lets get rid of the bad apples they said, theyre upsetting the changing room they said , Crooks KVV and Kasim gone, weve got worse and the rift is getting bigger

Perhaps they weren't the only bad apples!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 05, 2019, 13:44:52 pm
When a teams losing, there will always be issues that surface. When its winning, happy days.

I think its that simple. I remember being told that Rico was a big problem!

We've 3 players still, 2 of which were regulars, that were here when we romped the league. JJOT, Buch and Hoskins. These 3 players, for whatever reasons, wouldn't even be classed as being in our top 5 players at the minute, so that shows that individual ability isn't necessarily our problem.

People talk about a succession of managers. This happens at almost every club. Look up the road at Boro. Who remain in a solid position, pushing for a play off place in the league above. This despite them having no managerial continuity. 

23 of the 92 managers in England's top 4 divisions have been in place for less time than Keith!  Out of those 7 are in our division. 3 of those teams are above us! Its utter codswallop that teams thrive on having a manager in place for a long period of time. Division2 currently:

1. Lincoln - 2 years 266 days.
2. Mansfield - 339 days.
3. Bury - 1 year, 19 days.
4. Forest Green - 2 years 270 days.
5. Carlisle - 18 days.
6. Milton Keynes - 242 days.
7. Exeter - 247 days.

So from the teams in the promotion positions, 4 of the 7 haven't even been in post for a year!  ;D

Quite clearly, our current issues are a combination of a manager not getting the best out of his players and (b) the players themselves. Whether thats ability, desire, motivation, whatever...its subjective.

Its worth noting that Bury, who are 3rd, were worse than us 9 months ago. Milton Keynes were on a par.

I think sometimes, people try and over complicate things. When KC arrived, he quickly got them playing 4-4-2, direct, simple stuff. It worked, we won. The bad run coincided with him making drastic formation changes, personnel changes week in week out and we are now a confused muddle of a side that individually and collectively doesn't seem to know what its job/s are. So for me, he should just go back to what was working and see where that takes us. As a first point of call.






Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on February 05, 2019, 14:14:14 pm
When a teams losing, there will always be issues that surface. When its winning, happy days.

I think its that simple. I remember being told that Rico was a big problem!

We've 3 players still, 2 of which were regulars, that were here when we romped the league. JJOT, Buch and Hoskins. These 3 players, for whatever reasons, wouldn't even be classed as being in our top 5 players at the minute, so that shows that individual ability isn't necessarily our problem.

People talk about a succession of managers. This happens at almost every club. Look up the road at Boro. Who remain in a solid position, pushing for a play off place in the league above. This despite them having no managerial continuity. 

23 of the 92 managers in England's top 4 divisions have been in place for less time than Keith!  Out of those 7 are in our division. 3 of those teams are above us! Its utter codswallop that teams thrive on having a manager in place for a long period of time. Division2 currently:

1. Lincoln - 2 years 266 days.
2. Mansfield - 339 days.
3. Bury - 1 year, 19 days.
4. Forest Green - 2 years 270 days.
5. Carlisle - 18 days.
6. Milton Keynes - 242 days.
7. Exeter - 247 days.

So from the teams in the promotion positions, 4 of the 7 haven't even been in post for a year!  ;D

Quite clearly, our current issues are a combination of a manager not getting the best out of his players and (b) the players themselves. Whether thats ability, desire, motivation, whatever...its subjective.

Its worth noting that Bury, who are 3rd, were worse than us 9 months ago. Milton Keynes were on a par.

I think sometimes, people try and over complicate things. When KC arrived, he quickly got them playing 4-4-2, direct, simple stuff. It worked, we won. The bad run coincided with him making drastic formation changes, personnel changes week in week out and we are now a confused muddle of a side that individually and collectively doesn't seem to know what its job/s are. So for me, he should just go back to what was working and see where that takes us. As a first point of call.







We have had a lot of injuries which hasn't helped to keep a settled side. We lost most of our central midfielders at one point, this has badly effected us.

We only played 4-4-2 in a handful of games and in most of those we played a solid 3 in central midfield, which recently we haven't been able to do.

On Saturday we were missing Cox, Foley, Turnbull and JJOT was only half-fit. We also had a number of players who were making their debuts as well as others just making their second or third appearances. It's a difficult transition for all these elements to come together, as players return/settle in things will improve IMO.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on February 05, 2019, 15:14:52 pm
When a teams losing, there will always be issues that surface. When its winning, happy days.

I think its that simple. I remember being told that Rico was a big problem!

We've 3 players still, 2 of which were regulars, that were here when we romped the league. JJOT, Buch and Hoskins. These 3 players, for whatever reasons, wouldn't even be classed as being in our top 5 players at the minute, so that shows that individual ability isn't necessarily our problem.

People talk about a succession of managers. This happens at almost every club. Look up the road at Boro. Who remain in a solid position, pushing for a play off place in the league above. This despite them having no managerial continuity. 

23 of the 92 managers in England's top 4 divisions have been in place for less time than Keith!  Out of those 7 are in our division. 3 of those teams are above us! Its utter codswallop that teams thrive on having a manager in place for a long period of time. Division2 currently:

1. Lincoln - 2 years 266 days.
2. Mansfield - 339 days.
3. Bury - 1 year, 19 days.
4. Forest Green - 2 years 270 days.
5. Carlisle - 18 days.
6. Milton Keynes - 242 days.
7. Exeter - 247 days.

So from the teams in the promotion positions, 4 of the 7 haven't even been in post for a year!  ;D

Quite clearly, our current issues are a combination of a manager not getting the best out of his players and (b) the players themselves. Whether thats ability, desire, motivation, whatever...its subjective.

Its worth noting that Bury, who are 3rd, were worse than us 9 months ago. Milton Keynes were on a par.

I think sometimes, people try and over complicate things. When KC arrived, he quickly got them playing 4-4-2, direct, simple stuff. It worked, we won. The bad run coincided with him making drastic formation changes, personnel changes week in week out and we are now a confused muddle of a side that individually and collectively doesn't seem to know what its job/s are. So for me, he should just go back to what was working and see where that takes us. As a first point of call.





Some great points well made DC. If Curlio has got any sense he will follow the advice in your last paragraph to a T. Unfortunately latest dispatches from the Chronic suggest otherwise?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 05, 2019, 20:21:21 pm
TINKERMAN!! Yet to name an unchanged starting line up from one league game to the next!

Bury.......to Swindon = 3 changes (Taylor, Barnett, Powell out, Turnbull, McWilliams and Buchanan in)
Swindon... to Forest Green = 1 change (McWilliams out, Waters in)
Forest Green to MK Dons = 2 changes (Crooks and Facey out, Van Veen and O'Doffin in)
MK Dons to Macclesfield = 4 changes (O'Doffin, Waters, Van Veen, Hoskins out, Bridge, Crooks, McWilliams, Powell in)
Macclesfield to Oldham = 2 changes (Powell and A Williams out, Van Veen and Hoskins in)
Oldham to Crewe = 2 changes (Foley and Bridge out, A Williams and O'Doffin in)
Crewe to Exeter = 2 changes (Crooks and A Williams out, Powell and Waters in)
Exeter to Grimsby = 3 changes (Waters, O'Doffin and Powell out, Taylor, A Williams and Foley in)
Grimsby to Newport = 1 change (Turnbull out, O'Doffin in)
Newport to Crawley = 3 changes (A Williams, O'Toole and O'Doffin out, Bowditch, Turnbull and Facey in)
Crawley to Stevenage = 1 change (Hoskins out, Powell in)
Stevenage to Yeovil = 1 change (Powell out, Crooks in)
Yeovil to Swindon = 2 changes (Foley and Facey out, O'Doffin and A Williams in)
Swindon to MK Dons = 3 changes (Bowditch, O'Doffin and Buchanan out, Bridge, Waters and Facey in)
MK Dons to FGR = 5 changes (Pierre, McWilliams, Waters, Van Veen and Bridge out, J Williams, Morais, Foley, Hoskins, Buchanan in)
FGR to Bristol Rovers = 1 change (A Williams out, Bowditch in)
Bristol Rovers to Carlisle = 4 changes (Crooks, Buchanan, Taylor and Bowditch out, Cox, Pierre, McWilliams and A Williams in)
Carlisle to Cambridge = 1 change (Foley out, McWilliams in)
Cambridge to Morecambe = 3 changes (McWilliams, Cox, A Williams out, Elsnik, J Powell and Taylor in)
Morecambe to Colchester = 4 changes (J Powell, J Williams, Turnbull and Hoskins out, Goode, McWilliams, O'Toole and Sordell in)
Colchester to Tranmere = 4 changes (Elsnik, Morais, O'Toole and Sordell out, Hoskins, Turnbull, J Powell and Buchanan in)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on February 05, 2019, 20:30:43 pm
TINKERMAN!! Yet to name an unchanged starting line up from one league game to the next!

Bury.......to Swindon = 3 changes (Taylor, Barnett, Powell out, Turnbull, McWilliams and Buchanan in)
Swindon... to Forest Green = 1 change (McWilliams out, Waters in)
Forest Green to MK Dons = 2 changes (Crooks and Facey out, Van Veen and O'Doffin in)
MK Dons to Macclesfield = 4 changes (O'Doffin, Waters, Van Veen, Hoskins out, Bridge, Crooks, McWilliams, Powell in)
Macclesfield to Oldham = 2 changes (Powell and A Williams out, Van Veen and Hoskins in)
Oldham to Crewe = 2 changes (Foley and Bridge out, A Williams and O'Doffin in)
Crewe to Exeter = 2 changes (Crooks and A Williams out, Powell and Waters in)
Exeter to Grimsby = 3 changes (Waters, O'Doffin and Powell out, Taylor, A Williams and Foley in)
Grimsby to Newport = 1 change (Turnbull out, O'Doffin in)
Newport to Crawley = 3 changes (A Williams, O'Toole and O'Doffin out, Bowditch, Turnbull and Facey in)
Crawley to Stevenage = 1 change (Hoskins out, Powell in)
Stevenage to Yeovil = 1 change (Powell out, Crooks in)
Yeovil to Swindon = 2 changes (Foley and Facey out, O'Doffin and A Williams in)
Swindon to MK Dons = 3 changes (Bowditch, O'Doffin and Buchanan out, Bridge, Waters and Facey in)
MK Dons to FGR = 5 changes (Pierre, McWilliams, Waters, Van Veen and Bridge out, J Williams, Morais, Foley, Hoskins, Buchanan in)
FGR to Bristol Rovers = 1 change (A Williams out, Bowditch in)
Bristol Rovers to Carlisle = 4 changes (Crooks, Buchanan, Taylor and Bowditch out, Cox, Pierre, McWilliams and A Williams in)
Carlisle to Cambridge = 1 change (Foley out, McWilliams in)
Cambridge to Morecambe = 3 changes (McWilliams, Cox, A Williams out, Elsnik, J Powell and Taylor in)
Morecambe to Colchester = 4 changes (J Powell, J Williams, Turnbull and Hoskins out, Goode, McWilliams, O'Toole and Sordell in)
Colchester to Tranmere = 4 changes (Elsnik, Morais, O'Toole and Sordell out, Hoskins, Turnbull, J Powell and Buchanan in)


But how many of those changes have been enforced?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 05, 2019, 20:38:25 pm
But how many of those changes have been enforced?

Being as Curle likes to keep his cards close to his chest when it comes to injuries I guess we canít be sure...the only other enforced chance was when Foley was suspended for his red card!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 05, 2019, 20:47:58 pm
Lets get rid of the bad apples they said, theyre upsetting the changing room they said , Crooks KVV and Kasim gone, weve got worse and the rift is getting bigger

Is this fact ref the changing room rift? Are you ITK?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 09, 2019, 20:14:16 pm
The last week should shifted a few of the reactive naysayers onto the back foot hopefully. Couple of decent results.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on February 10, 2019, 20:07:46 pm
The last week should shifted a few of the reactive naysayers onto the back foot hopefully. Couple of decent results.

Reactive  ;D. Couple of decent results tel, that's it


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on February 10, 2019, 22:16:19 pm
My opinions haven't changed. But he's had a very good week. Certainly hope he builds on it now  :)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 11, 2019, 06:58:26 am
This last week has probably saved his job in my view .
I had heard he was under serious pressure internally .
The problem he has is that he cannot play such a negative system at home with just Hoskins up front .
We have hardly any creativity in the side at all and rely on counter attacking which we are not that great at anyway .
He wonít get away with that against Crawley at home


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 11, 2019, 12:22:14 pm
If the season had started started at the start of october when Curle started, we would currently be just outside the play-offs in around 9-10th. That considering we kept the majority of a failing squad and have since got rid of our 2 best players is quite a decent start. Im happy with what he's done so far even with some baffling decisions/the odd negative set up. After 21 games next season is where we should see how good/bad a job he has done with more of his own team.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: barton cobbler on February 11, 2019, 12:33:43 pm
If the season had started started at the start of october when Curle started, we would currently be just outside the play-offs in around 9-10th. That considering we kept the majority of a failing squad and have since got rid of our 2 best players is quite a decent start. Im happy with what he's done so far even with some baffling decisions/the odd negative set up. After 21 games next season is where we should see how good/bad a job he has done with more of his own team.
He has still got a bit to do in my opinion, two decent away results haven't wiped away the memory of the Colchester performance, of which I think KC has to take a fair proportion of the blame


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: meccanostand on February 11, 2019, 12:36:45 pm
If the season had started started at the start of october when Curle started, we would currently be just outside the play-offs in around 9-10th. That considering we kept the majority of a failing squad and have since got rid of our 2 best players is quite a decent start. Im happy with what he's done so far even with some baffling decisions/the odd negative set up. After 21 games next season is where we should see how good/bad a job he has done with more of his own team.

He's essentially thrown in our strongest most reliable players after being caned by Colchester. Still a long way to go to see if he can knit wins together and seriously impact the top half.

Avoiding relegation is his brief and I reckon he'll do that.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 11, 2019, 12:40:28 pm
Reactive  ;D. Couple of decent results tel, that's it

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 11, 2019, 12:52:54 pm
The only reason Id change manager this season is if we get embroiled in a battle to stay up. 4 points or less from the bottom 2 is where my line is.

Stay above that, he gets the summer to rebuild things.

Last week was a huge week. Macclesfield only got 1 point at home, we took 4 points away. If we can beat Crawley on Saturday and Macclesfield lose, we are pretty much into pre-season territory with 13 games left to play!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: meccanostand on February 11, 2019, 12:59:20 pm
The only reason Id change manager this season is if we get embroiled in a battle to stay up. 4 points or less from the bottom 2 is where my line is.

Stay above that, he gets the summer to rebuild things.

Last week was a huge week. Macclesfield only got 1 point at home, we took 4 points away. If we can beat Crawley on Saturday and Macclesfield lose, we are pretty much into pre-season territory with 13 games left to play!

Appointing a manager has to go beyond keeping us up. Is the 3-5-2 something to build around long term? Does Curle have the ability and  tactical flexibility to worry league 1. His record suggests possibly not. Unless the bar is set higher we could be in a situation a year or so down the line with Curle gone and everything having to be ripped up again. One of the benefits of giving him a short term deal is space for a lucid appraisal of his performance which goes beyond the low bar of League 2 survival.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 11, 2019, 13:21:31 pm
If the season had started started at the start of october when Curle started, we would currently be just outside the play-offs in around 9-10th. That considering we kept the majority of a failing squad and have since got rid of our 2 best players is quite a decent start. Im happy with what he's done so far even with some baffling decisions/the odd negative set up. After 21 games next season is where we should see how good/bad a job he has done with more of his own team.
I doubt this very much
I donít think he has got much more out of the team than anyone else has .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on February 11, 2019, 13:49:18 pm
Appointing a manager has to go beyond keeping us up. Is the 3-5-2 something to build around long term? Does Curle have the ability and  tactical flexibility to worry league 1. His record suggests possibly not. Unless the bar is set higher we could be in a situation a year or so down the line with Curle gone and everything having to be ripped up again. One of the benefits of giving him a short term deal is space for a lucid appraisal of his performance which goes beyond the low bar of League 2 survival.

His deal is to the end of next season - I wouldnít exactly call that particularly short term. The proof will be in the pudding - if heís given the opportunity to build a squad around the likes of Pierre, Turnbull and bridge and incorporates the youngsters in then he will have half a chance.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 11, 2019, 14:03:21 pm
I doubt this very much
I donít think he has got much more out of the team than anyone else has .

What do you doubt about it? 31 points after 21 games is 9-10th which is exactly where Exeter/Stevenage were after 21 games this season with 31 points.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 11, 2019, 19:10:12 pm
What do you doubt about it? 31 points after 21 games is 9-10th which is exactly where Exeter/Stevenage were after 21 games this season with 31 points.
Because I look at performances and not statistics . I would say our rightful position in the table is about 16th to 18th . Thereís no way we are currently a top 10 side .
We struggled to draw with Morecambe and got well outplayed by Cambridge !
Ok we got a result against Tranmere with a smash and grab and held on against 10 man Lincoln but we are scraping by .
It will all depend on who we recruit in the summer and if the young lads come through or not .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 11, 2019, 20:38:55 pm
Ok,
You can look at performances = Subjective. (I even agree with you that we don't look like a top 10 side)
However
The stats and more importantly the results = Facts.

So quite clearly, no matter what anyone thinks. Under Curle at the minute we are a top 10 side.

Please dont argue against and dispute facts. Boris and Rees-Mogg might get away with it, but you can't.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on February 11, 2019, 20:50:52 pm
I doubt this very much
I donít think he has got much more out of the team than anyone else has .

Just nonsense.

Austin = 7 points from 10 matches. Extrapolated for the whole season  = Bottom of the table finish

Curle = 31 points from 21 matches. Extrapolated for the whole season = 7-10th in the table finish.

And Curle didn't have the whole summer to prepare as Austin did.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on February 11, 2019, 20:57:31 pm
Because I look at performances and not statistics . I would say our rightful position in the table is about 16th to 18th . Thereís no way we are currently a top 10 side .
We struggled to draw with Morecambe and got well outplayed by Cambridge !
Ok we got a result against Tranmere with a smash and grab and held on against 10 man Lincoln but we are scraping by .
It will all depend on who we recruit in the summer and if the young lads come through or not .

As usual you cherry pick facts to fit your thesis.

'We got well outplayed by Cambridge'
- why don't you take into account we were decimated by injuries which quite clearly effected out performance? We suffered in the Morecambe game for very similar reasons.

'Ok we got a result against Tranmere'
- That's all you can say about that match? It stands to reason that as players have returned from injury the performances have improved.

But we are scraping by - Again just ridiculous. Now players are returning from injuries I feel we are looking pretty strong again. The bench looked decent on Saturday and there are still others out injured, such as Foley and Cox.

I still believe we will finish in the top 10.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on February 11, 2019, 20:59:04 pm
Ok,
You can look at performances = Subjective. (I even agree with you that we don't look like a top 10 side)
However
The stats and more importantly the results = Facts.

So quite clearly, no matter what anyone thinks. Under Curle at the minute we are a top 10 side.

Please dont argue against and dispute facts. Boris and Rees-Mogg might get away with it, but you can't.

I've argued Curle's performance has been decent on here a number of times, and listed facts as you have, but it's a losing battle with many.

I maintain if he had been in charge since the summer we would be in with a chance of the play-offs this season.

We have a fairly decent run of games from here on in and I fancy us to finish strongly and have a good chance of finishing in the top 10.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 11, 2019, 21:47:07 pm
We can all agree to disagree and I certainly donít hold it against anyone that has a different opinion to me.
However , whatever way you spin it , we are not a top 10 side currently .
Yes , there have been injuries but all teams have those and we could have fielded better teams and formations against both Cambridge and Morecambe .
We had a good side out against Colchester and got thumped .
Thatís before you even start to examine the form over Christmas and the new year .
I dont want to knock the side or the manager too much but donít hide behind statistics when I can see with my own eyes what level we are on the pitch .
I love the Cobblers but I canít be as enthusiastic as you are right now


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 11, 2019, 22:33:31 pm
You have missed the point I was making completely just to create a discussion/arguement on something you believe you are right about.
We can all see we are 16th in the actual table. This is a conversation about 'since curle' and thats all it ever was.

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-two/formtabelle/wettbewerb/GB4?saison_id=2018&min=11&max=33 (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-two/formtabelle/wettbewerb/GB4?saison_id=2018&min=11&max=33)

That proves that since Curle arrived we are a top 10 side. 10th. We are 10th. Top 10.

Please don't argue with fact.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 11, 2019, 22:56:08 pm
You have missed the point I was making completely just to create a discussion/arguement on something you believe you are right about.
We can all see we are 16th in the actual table. This is a conversation about 'since curle' and thats all it ever was.

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-two/formtabelle/wettbewerb/GB4?saison_id=2018&min=11&max=33 (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-two/formtabelle/wettbewerb/GB4?saison_id=2018&min=11&max=33)

That proves that since Curle arrived we are a top 10 side. 10th. We are 10th. Top 10.

Please don't argue with fact.
The table doesnít prove anything , but I am not going to argue over supposition .
My view is that we are not a top 10 side .
We are not better than 14 teams in this league .
To be honest , it doesnít really matter - itís all about next season .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 11, 2019, 23:11:16 pm
The table doesnít prove anything , but I am not going to argue over supposition .
My view is that we are not a top 10 side .

The table is proof  ::) proof that at this point in time under Curle we are 10th....
and yet again you are still changing the subject of the conversation.

You've just contradicted yourself.  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on February 13, 2019, 19:33:09 pm
The table is proof  ::) proof that at this point in time under Curle we are 10th....
and yet again you are still changing the subject of the conversation.

You've just contradicted yourself.  ;D


You're right in that facts are facts. However, we have been inconsisitent under Curle and he hasn't been totally convincing as a manager. He doesn't seem to have a clear idea of his best team or formation after over twenty matches. His tinkering in both areas has been the only consistent factor and this has not always been due to injuries. This was acceptable for perhaps half a dozen matches while he got to know his players, but he has continued it. Even the players just signed are in one week and out the next.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on February 14, 2019, 07:21:51 am
Bloody hell, what nonsense and exactly why the world is fcuked by Trump and Brexit. Looking at the evidence presented WE WRE A TOP 10 TEAM IF LOOKING AT THE STATS FROM WHEN CURLE JOINED. Who would have thought it, but we clearly are. Letís move on and all see if we can achieve the important thing - a top ten FINISH!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on February 14, 2019, 07:38:15 am
As B&S has alluded to elsewhere it will be very interesting to see what team he puts out on Saturday on the back of 2 improved, backs to the wall, defensive away games with a lone forward. Will he go with the same which would be pretty negative for a home game or will he change it again?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Battery Man on February 14, 2019, 08:28:42 am
As B&S has alluded to elsewhere it will be very interesting to see what team he puts out on Saturday on the back of 2 improved, backs to the wall, defensive away games with a lone forward. Will he go with the same which would be pretty negative for a home game or will he change it again?

To be honest if he goes with 1 up front and we win I will be happy. At this point in time I see it as all about getting the points on the board so we are safe. Then after that start looking at who you want to keep for next season and how we play for next season. We have had nearly 3 seasons of crap football and getting beat left, right and centre I just want to see a few wins. The nice positive football can come after that.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on February 14, 2019, 08:33:16 am
To be honest if he goes with 1 up front and we win I will be happy. At this point in time I see it as all about getting the points on the board so we are safe. Then after that start looking at who you want to keep for next season and how we play for next season. We have had nearly 3 seasons of crap football and getting beat left, right and centre I just want to see a few wins. The nice positive football can come after that.

For what itís worth I agree entirely, I donít care how we play at this point as long as we get results, then itís time for KC to start planning for next season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: meccanostand on February 14, 2019, 08:33:26 am
To be honest if he goes with 1 up front and we win I will be happy. At this point in time I see it as all about getting the points on the board so we are safe. Then after that start looking at who you want to keep for next season and how we play for next season. We have had nearly 3 seasons of crap football and getting beat left, right and centre I just want to see a few wins. The nice positive football can come after that.

Agreed but it is groundhog day. Get to the end of the season, rip everything up. Thinking in 6 monthly cycles.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BMON on February 14, 2019, 08:34:40 am
People are missing the point here .
The supporters have one chance to listen to a managers post match comments and there is one person selected to ask the questions .
If that one person knows nothing about football and is not taken seriously,we as supporters learn nothing .
It's not a case of switching managers because there is no other choice .
This manager has been employed as  the manager and he is not out of his depth .Unfortunately,his boss doesn't appear to think so according to his comments so that's where the problem lies .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: EssTeeFree on February 14, 2019, 09:45:43 am
As B&S has alluded to elsewhere it will be very interesting to see what team he puts out on Saturday on the back of 2 improved, backs to the wall, defensive away games with a lone forward. Will he go with the same which would be pretty negative for a home game or will he change it again?

Do you mean the style of play used the last two games or playing 1 up front being negative (or both)?

There is nothing negative about playing 1 up front as long as the team's general style is positive and the 2 attacking midfielders behind the striker (and to some extent the wing-backs) are given enough freedom. That's often more attacking than a standard 3-5-2 IMO


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: WasRambo on February 14, 2019, 10:37:33 am
Barring a miracle (which didn't happen) this season was screwed after 10 games.

Austin was a liability, certain players were also culpable but either way, my only hope and expectation for Curlio was to steer us to mid table and I believe he will.

Beyond that, he has to be given a close season to try and sort things out. He is as capable as anyone we can hope to get so lets give him the chance


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: meccanostand on February 14, 2019, 11:35:33 am
Barring a miracle (which didn't happen) this season was screwed after 10 games.

Austin was a liability, certain players were also culpable but either way, my only hope and expectation for Curlio was to steer us to mid table and I believe he will.

Beyond that, he has to be given a close season to try and sort things out. He is as capable as anyone we can hope to get so lets give him the chance

He's contracted till the end of next season so that's the basics of the situation.

Was absolutely the right man for the job to keep us up but beyond that, not a great deal to suggest he is a longer term prospect for us (yet). His go-to formation, 3-5-2, was annihilated by Colchester in every way. His response has been to fill the side with the most reliable, sturdy players. It's pretty basic stuff.

One option might have been to give him a contract till the end of the season and then re-assess but he had the nap hand when we were in big trouble.

Think there has been only 1 back to back victory in Curle's time here and that included a dire Macclesfield side. Show some cohesive, expansive football, some tactical fluidity and a couple of back to back wins and then he'll be a contender. Just giving a manager the summer and hoping will likely end up with us back to square one as it has done for as long as I can remember.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 14, 2019, 12:33:32 pm
Id like us to get to 50points. Once achieved, ONLY PLAYERS who KC is going to keep next season, get to play. Absolutely pointless playing out the last 4/6/8 games trying to grind out results (optimistic thinking is that we secure safety with a few games to spare) just to tick boxes because finishing 8th warrants the same end result as finishing 22nd.

If I was the manager, pre-season would start the moment we hit 50points. Lets get a heads start on most of our rivals! If Powell isn't going to be offered a contract (for example), he's left out. etc.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on February 14, 2019, 13:36:10 pm
There is no "ladder effect" of payments due to league position.
Here's what the club gets irrespective of position in their respective league.
Basic award across the EFL:
Championship Ė £2.084m.
League 1 Ė £677,000.
League 2 Ė £472,000.

Premier League Solidarity payment across the EFL:
Championship Ė £4.3m
League 1 Ė £645,000.
League 2 Ė £430,000

so as a L1 club we got £1.32m our relegation means we now get £902k net loss of £430k OUCH.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Battery Man on February 14, 2019, 13:50:30 pm
Id like us to get to 50points. Once achieved, ONLY PLAYERS who KC is going to keep next season, get to play. Absolutely pointless playing out the last 4/6/8 games trying to grind out results (optimistic thinking is that we secure safety with a few games to spare) just to tick boxes because finishing 8th warrants the same end result as finishing 22nd.

If I was the manager, pre-season would start the moment we hit 50points. Lets get a heads start on most of our rivals! If Powell isn't going to be offered a contract (for example), he's left out. etc.


Fully agree with this, lets get safe then treat the rest of the games as early pre-season. That includes dishing out new contracts to those who we want and who want to stay. Anyone who is deemed surplus to requirements should be removed from the first team for the remainder, that includes training.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on February 14, 2019, 15:29:39 pm
Do you mean the style of play used the last two games or playing 1 up front being negative (or both)?

There is nothing negative about playing 1 up front as long as the team's general style is positive and the 2 attacking midfielders behind the striker (and to some extent the wing-backs) are given enough freedom. That's often more attacking than a standard 3-5-2 IMO

I agree with the gist of your post - by the sounds of it the tactics worked well at tranmere and Lincoln but we didnít create a great deal in either match. In that system the onus is on bridge and jjot to support Hoskins but there is a real fear of Sam becoming isolated especially in a home game. Also the wing backs become very important and to be fair to buchs he has already been found wanting going forward from that position. We havenít had an injury update this week but I think facey went off with a thigh strain last Saturday so Iíd assume that one of the McWilliams boys will have to fill in? I havenít heard any update on foley either.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: meccanostand on February 14, 2019, 15:45:14 pm
Foley's doubtful with a back injury. Sordell is out with medial knee ligament injury.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 14, 2019, 17:10:15 pm
Do you mean the style of play used the last two games or playing 1 up front being negative (or both)?

There is nothing negative about playing 1 up front as long as the team's general style is positive and the 2 attacking midfielders behind the striker (and to some extent the wing-backs) are given enough freedom. That's often more attacking than a standard 3-5-2 IMO
This can be true - except itís not in our case because our full backs donít push on too much and the midfielders are holding players . The exception to this is Bridge who has a big part to play .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 15, 2019, 09:26:54 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-assistant-boss-west-outlines-promotion-ambition-1-8810973


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boring Bar Steward on February 16, 2019, 17:40:21 pm
I think KC must be 10 years ahead of his time because instead of a 'false' 9, today he invented an 'INVISIBLE' number 9 !!!!!!!!!!!!


The midfield did not help because they did not make any runs in advance of Hoskins.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: SadOldGit on February 16, 2019, 17:59:19 pm
At least 'the building blocks are in place'. Shame the same can't be said for the East Stand.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on February 16, 2019, 22:03:56 pm
Following that team selection for a home game and subsequent substitutions, whatís his agenda?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 16, 2019, 22:34:08 pm
Following that team selection for a home game and subsequent substitutions, whatís his agenda?

Facey,Foley,Turnbull and 'Sorbet' all missing or hadn't you noticed or even chose to ignore the selection predicament?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on February 16, 2019, 22:51:03 pm
Facey,Foley,Turnbull and 'Sorbet' all missing or hadn't you noticed or even chose to ignore the selection predicament?
Morias and Williams on the bench, donít be stupid


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 16, 2019, 22:57:52 pm
Morias and Williams on the bench, donít be stupid

Wow - real game changers and both seemingly out of favour ::)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on February 16, 2019, 23:00:05 pm
Following that team selection for a home game and subsequent substitutions, whatís his agenda?
I think his agenda is the out door, would be very surprised if he's still here next season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boring Bar Steward on February 17, 2019, 06:45:49 am
Facey,Foley,Turnbull and 'Sorbet' all missing or hadn't you noticed or even chose to ignore the selection predicament?
He said he is having to use other managers players YET he brought in two midfielders and said yesterday we lacked creativity!!!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on February 17, 2019, 08:54:02 am
My opinion on curle is that he will do the job he came into the club to achieve (keep us in the league).

But is not the man to take us forward - and of season parting of ways maybe the best outcome.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BMON on February 17, 2019, 11:13:03 am
My opinion on curle is that he will do the job he came into the club to achieve (keep us in the league).

But is not the man to take us forward - and of season parting of ways maybe the best outcome.

yep thats the plan,



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 17, 2019, 11:18:03 am
My opinion on curle is that he will do the job he came into the club to achieve (keep us in the league).

But is not the man to take us forward - and of season parting of ways maybe the best outcome.
Letís face it ,itís not the hardest job in the world keeping us up with a decent budget and some rank teams in the division.
Heís doing a bang average job in my view and has an awful lot of work to do for it to improve . I have no confidence in him for next season at all .
The bloke is full of sh*t


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on February 17, 2019, 11:51:40 am
Blames others,  bigs up himself,  makes sh1t jokes that only he laughs at.

Complete fraud who fails to do the basics.  The only real plus of his reign so far is Charlie Goode


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on February 17, 2019, 20:15:00 pm
Blames others,  bigs up himself,  makes sh1t jokes that only he laughs at.

Complete fraud who fails to do the basics.  The only real plus of his reign so far is Charlie Goode

Don't want him gone...we've had enough of that quite recently!
Nevertheless, think everything you say is spot on... though must have missed his jokes!  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on February 17, 2019, 20:22:05 pm
In Keith Curle's defence he has done two things in recent games which have helped to improve results, if not entirely inspiring football. He has played  more physical midfield players, meaning we are not getting bullied anymore. This was fundamental after the Cambridge and Morecambe games and being phsically competitive is a must in this division. He has also tinkered less for the last 3 games, injury permitting. Whether or not we agree with the current formation, at least it gives the players more chance to build understanding.

I'm confident that continuing this approach will be enough to keep us up, but I haven't yet seen signs that KC can take us on a promotion charge next season. Our 2 new midfielders have looked pretty average so far (I'd take Sam Foley over both of them) and unfortunately Cox and Sordell have hardly played due to injury. Only Goode so far has clearly looked the part.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on February 17, 2019, 20:34:58 pm
What was it about KCs CV that suggested we were going to be anything more than this when he got the job, especially with this squad? Itís not an excuse because the last 2 home performances have been underwhelming to say the least, but even so? The problem is that his methods with regards to tinkering are controversial, therefore if it doesnít produce results and or performances then heís just asking for it. As unpalatable as it is, I just feel that the current points tally and position is probably the best we could have realistically hoped for? The real dilemma is do you a) give him the opportunity to rebuild the squad in the summer or b) give it to someone untested and tried? Seems harsh because I think he has done what could have been reasonably expected in terms of results, but the net result is that confidence in him to take the club forward has unquestionably been affected.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: AbingtonCobbler on February 17, 2019, 20:42:03 pm
Chris Wilder would have been Ďat emí

No way would he have set us up for a draw before the ball is kicked.

It is an entertainment business and the fans are being let down in this respect.

I have never been so bored watching live sport.

Please entertain us.  You know I donít mind losing if itís a good game and we have had a go.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 17, 2019, 22:24:20 pm
Yesterday was a right old turgid game, left me wondering why I bother. However, how many of us would have preferred to see us lose an entertaining game 2-3 rather than 'gain' another point?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 17, 2019, 22:41:53 pm
Next time you go into a game with the sole intention not to concede a goal Mr Curle , can you tell the fans in advance so that we can make the decision whether to bother turning up or not .
Heís not connecting to the fans at all and Iím not sure heís bothered


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 17, 2019, 23:13:27 pm
Yesterday was a right old turgid game, left me wondering why I bother. However, how many of us would have preferred to see us lose an entertaining game 2-3 rather than 'gain' another point?

Precisely; we all know it was a disappointing game but the defence was ok, as was Cornell. We also gained a point! Some on here seem intent on committing mass self harm. I also deplore the recent abuse of KC; who would if any of them would like to take his place and suffer the same OTT abuse.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 17, 2019, 23:26:27 pm
Chris Wilder would have been Ďat emí

...........................................

Really ..............its funny that I can remember a spell in CW's reign that he was subjected to a degree of 'get rid', 'clueless tactics' and so on. I can also remember the loss against Dagenham with a display not too dissimiliar to yesterdays effort.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on February 18, 2019, 00:09:26 am
It goes without saying that supporters have every right to demand that they are entertained. The issue with this is that it is directly at odds with the remit of a manager whoís business it is to get results. In fairness to KC his issue is that we have been in free fall for a couple of years and to expect a significant turnaround following a few months and a January transfer window is a bit unrealistic. For him grinding out results and getting us to limp across the line if necessary is his primary goal and he would be a fool to martyr himself on the back of some gung ho philosophy. Not what we want to hear, but given his job is on the line itís understandable if not frustrating. IMO the problem comes down to the quality of the squad. Most of us on here have been supporters for many a year. Hand on heart if you were to give each player a mark out of 10 as a professional footballer at this level what would you give the individuals in our squad? Looking back at our squads that were successful they were littered with 8s & 9s and even the odd 10. IMO this one in the main has 6s & 7s with 1 or possibly 2 8s at a push. I donít think we have any particularly rubbish players just far too many that are ďokĒ and that is the real problem facing us at the moment. Because we have been too mediocre too often KCs somewhat controversial methods arenít going to do him any favours. But I feel that itís a bit of an irrelevant issue because it isnít the root cause of our problems that have been on going for a few seasons, and that is p1ss poor recruitment that has left us short on certain missing qualities for too long.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 18, 2019, 00:21:33 am
It goes without saying that supporters have every right to demand that they are entertained. The issue with this is that it is directly at odds with the remit of a manager whoís business it is to get results. In fairness to KC his issue is that we have been in free fall for a couple of years and to expect a significant turnaround following a few months and a January transfer window is a bit unrealistic. For him grinding out results and getting us to limp across the line if necessary is his primary goal and he would be a fool to martyr himself on the back of some gung ho philosophy. Not what we want to hear, but given his job is on the line itís understandable if not frustrating. IMO the problem comes down to the quality of the squad. Most of us on here have been supporters for many a year. Hand on heart if you were to give each player a mark out of 10 as a professional footballer at this level what would you give the individuals in our squad? Looking back at our squads that were successful they were littered with 8s & 9s and even the odd 10. IMO this one in the main has 6s & 7s with 1 or possibly 2 8s at a push. I donít think we have any particularly rubbish players just far too many that are ďokĒ and that is the real problem facing us at the moment. Because we have been too mediocre too often KCs somewhat controversial methods arenít going to do him any favours. But I feel that itís a bit of an irrelevant issue because it isnít the root cause of our problems that have been on going for a few seasons, and that is p1ss poor recruitment that has left us short on certain missing qualities for too long.

I hope the 'Jonahs' on here read Mellys post above as it is a reasonable summary of the current day situation. 


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Quintonside on February 18, 2019, 09:19:59 am
I find him really arrogant.

Having said that, I found Wilder arrogant  ;D

Difference is Wilder knew what he was doing and had did convert his objectives to the fans. He also held up his hands when it didnít work. (Mansfield away)

You can see why both Curle held a job down at Carlisle for so long, but also why their fans donít hold him in high regard.

Perhaps we should try getting some more defenders on the pitch  :P


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Zen Master on February 18, 2019, 09:30:38 am
If his brief was to survive the threat of relegation then heís achieving that.
If it was also to try and offset the reduction in income following relegation then heís also achieved that by offloading Crooks, Van Veen and Kasim. I couldnít see the rationale in letting Oddofin leave though.

As his contract is only until the end of the season Iíd be suprised and disappointed if it was extended for next year.

There is, yet again, major reconstruction needed for this squad and although he knows the division I doubt he will move us forward in footballing or entertainment.

Iíll probably renew as itís what I do on a Saturday but itís a closer decision than usual for me.
Apathy reigns


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 18, 2019, 10:22:15 am
If his brief was to survive the threat of relegation then heís achieving that.
If it was also to try and offset the reduction in income following relegation then heís also achieved that by offloading Crooks, Van Veen and Kasim. I couldnít see the rationale in letting Oddofin leave though.

As his contract is only until the end of the season Iíd be suprised and disappointed if it was extended for next year.

There is, yet again, major reconstruction needed for this squad and although he knows the division I doubt he will move us forward in footballing or entertainment.

Iíll probably renew as itís what I do on a Saturday but itís a closer decision than usual for me.
Apathy reigns

Curle is under contract next season aswell.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Zen Master on February 18, 2019, 11:36:23 am
Maybe I was hoping it was the end of this season!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 18, 2019, 11:57:50 am
My opinion on curle is that he will do the job he came into the club to achieve (keep us in the league).

But is not the man to take us forward - and of season parting of ways maybe the best outcome.
Agree with above but don't see him going anywhere at end of season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on February 18, 2019, 12:08:04 pm
In this league you have to play with a target man. Most footballers default position when under pressure at level is to go long. Cornell early on in the game went long to a tiny centre forward. He changed after a while and tried to hit Goode because it wasn't working with Sam. This is where I just can't believe his selection at home when the onus is to attack. I get it more away from home but even then a more physical hold play is needed to relieve the pressure and get other players into the game. Did anybody else hear the ironic cheers when Andy Williams headed the ball when he came on? I have to question what the hell is he thinking?



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: barton cobbler on February 18, 2019, 12:13:17 pm
. I also deplore the recent abuse of KC; who would if any of them would like to take his place and suffer the same OTT abuse.
Evers, you seem struggle between what is abuse, and what is critisism about his ability to do his job. There are lots of people who are questioning that but I really haven't seen anything I would class as abuse


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 18, 2019, 12:16:40 pm
I think the defeat to Cambridge and the 4.0 at home to Colchester made Curle refocus and just avoid any further defeat at all costs in case we slipped into a relegation fight .
This has been at the expense of any entertainment, forward planning or desire to win a game of football.
He has said as much in his interviews .
Fine , but donít expect people to turn up and watch that type of football without complaint . It also means we are not building for next season and just treading water .
It would be quite nice if the plan moving forward could be shared at some point .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: canvey cobbler on February 18, 2019, 18:07:12 pm
Judge him at Xmas next season, don't think he could get the type of players he wants in the transfer window just gone so got in a few loans to bridge the gap.  Maybe a couple of them will come good and could be permanant signings in the summer. I think you will see a good few both in and out this summer.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on February 18, 2019, 18:50:55 pm
Judge him at Xmas next season, don't think he could get the type of players he wants in the transfer window just gone so got in a few loans to bridge the gap.  Maybe a couple of them will come good and could be permanant signings in the summer. I think you will see a good few both in and out this summer.
The same tiring excuses are trotted out for each new manager appointment..."not his players blah blah"
You really think there are a set of fantastic players just lining up to sign for Mysterious Master Curle???
The old adage 'A good workman doesn't blame his tools' does to a fair extent, also apply to football managers!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on February 18, 2019, 18:54:41 pm
I think the defeat to Cambridge and the 4.0 at home to Colchester made Curle refocus and just avoid any further defeat at all costs in case we slipped into a relegation fight .
This has been at the expense of any entertainment, forward planning or desire to win a game of football.
He has said as much in his interviews .
Fine , but donít expect people to turn up and watch that type of football without complaint . It also means we are not building for next season and just treading water .
It would be quite nice if the plan moving forward could be shared at some point .
Jack of Titanic fame springs to mind!  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on February 18, 2019, 19:12:29 pm
All this, as I glance at the TV...and see JFH being interviewed!  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: JollyCobbler on February 18, 2019, 19:14:47 pm
All this, as I glance at the TV...and see JFH being interviewed!  ;D

Expert analysis ;) ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BMON on February 18, 2019, 19:35:11 pm
Really ..............its funny that I can remember a spell in CW's reign that he was subjected to a degree of 'get rid', 'clueless tactics' and so on. I can also remember the loss against Dagenham with a display not too dissimiliar to yesterdays effort.


You seem to have views and opinions which fly in the face of courtesy and common sense.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Another Pedj on February 18, 2019, 19:37:15 pm
He is absolutely right.

 That Dagenham game was the final straw for the majority of posters on here. They wanted him out.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 18, 2019, 19:39:04 pm
Evers, you seem struggle between what is abuse, and what is critisism about his ability to do his job. There are lots of people who are questioning that but I really haven't seen anything I would class as abuse


Couple of examples:


He's sh*t. ....................  Jan

The bloke is full of sh*t .. Feb

Lot of near the mark comments - always happens after a poor result!

I've seen you get irate on here on far less!









Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 18, 2019, 19:43:10 pm

You seem to have views and opinions which fly in the face of courtesy and common sense.

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: canvey cobbler on February 19, 2019, 06:38:57 am
So what would you do then coolcat? Sack yet another manager after just 6mths. Or give the bloke a chance to bring in a few of his own players. And no a good workman doesn't blame his tools but he is using borrowed tools!!!!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on February 19, 2019, 07:17:36 am
KC looks like he will do what was he brought in to do, keep us in L2.  But it is far from good viewing and a lot of loyal supporters are hacked off, especially with the Sixfields performances.  Crawley was dire but only the latest in a long series of depressingly poor home matches.  Hardly, the stuff to stimulate optimism (and season ticket sales) for next season.

KC is walking a fine line with supporters. I can understand where he is coming from but to say he was 'happy" with a 0-0 draw with mighty Crawley sticks in the gullet.  His failure to bring on Williams & Morias much earlier was a red rag to Cobblers' supporters.  I see he is also saying he needs more than one transfer window to get things right. What we have seen from the January transfer window, Goode excepted, does not inspire confidence.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 19, 2019, 08:12:20 am
Couple of examples:


He's sh*t. ....................  Jan

The bloke is full of sh*t .. Feb

Lot of near the mark comments - always happens after a poor result!

I've seen you get irate on here on far less!








Hardly dogs abuse if thatís all you could find as evidence !
KC is getting an easy ride bearing in mind the below average job he is doing .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 19, 2019, 08:24:29 am
What we have seen from the January transfer window, Goode excepted, does not inspire confidence.

I don't think we have done as badly as you make, although it is early days so I may be proved wrong.

Goode - Seems decent at this level, had an amazing game on Saturday. Looks prone to a howler but mainly due to flying 110% into everything. Consensus seems this is Curle's best signing.

Sordell - Looked like a bit of a coup and showed signs of class when he played, but obviously lacking match fitness/sharpness. A **** (due to his injury) that may pay off, and at least with Williams/Morias/Hoskins we are not short whilst he regains fitness. Jury is out for now.

Elsnik - Rave reviews at Mansfield, rated by his home club and seemed a bit odd he would come here. Had a very decent first half of football for us but since then has largely been missing. Is this due to being in the wrong position or just flattered to deceive in a decent Mansfield side? Again, jury is out for me.

Powell - First of the "poor" signings. Doesn't help that Curle insists on playing him on the right, despite Joe telling us that he plays on the left. Very lightweight at this level, it shows that he hasn't played above U23 but maybe he will get used to it? Will have to quickly. Decent set piece deliver but not much else. Poor signing for what we needed.

Cox - The heralded LWB that we clamoured for, performed well before getting injured. Rumours that he is out for the season which would be just our luck, but that is not on KC as can you imagine the noise if we signed two LWB's and didn't use one! I would say a decent signing, just unlucky that he got injured so quickly and so badly.

I don't think KC's signings have been quite as bad as you think, and we know he wasn't allowed to spend any money really either due the current financial situation.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on February 19, 2019, 08:53:57 am
I think thatís a pretty fair summary of the new ďsigningsĒ - the biggest disappointment by far is Elsnik who came with a decent pedigree and had a good first half against Colchester but since then has been completely anonymous. As with joe Powell with the situation we are in we canít afford passengers and hopefully for the Stevenage game Turnbull and foley will be back.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: meccanostand on February 19, 2019, 08:57:28 am
None of the players mentioned are our assets nor likely to be at the club in the medium term. Meanwhile, the star u-18's barely get an inroad.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 19, 2019, 10:40:37 am
I don't think we have done as badly as you make, although it is early days so I may be proved wrong.

Goode - Seems decent at this level, had an amazing game on Saturday. Looks prone to a howler but mainly due to flying 110% into everything. Consensus seems this is Curle's best signing.

Sordell - Looked like a bit of a coup and showed signs of class when he played, but obviously lacking match fitness/sharpness. A **** (due to his injury) that may pay off, and at least with Williams/Morias/Hoskins we are not short whilst he regains fitness. Jury is out for now.

Elsnik - Rave reviews at Mansfield, rated by his home club and seemed a bit odd he would come here. Had a very decent first half of football for us but since then has largely been missing. Is this due to being in the wrong position or just flattered to deceive in a decent Mansfield side? Again, jury is out for me.

Powell - First of the "poor" signings. Doesn't help that Curle insists on playing him on the right, despite Joe telling us that he plays on the left. Very lightweight at this level, it shows that he hasn't played above U23 but maybe he will get used to it? Will have to quickly. Decent set piece deliver but not much else. Poor signing for what we needed.

Cox - The heralded LWB that we clamoured for, performed well before getting injured. Rumours that he is out for the season which would be just our luck, but that is not on KC as can you imagine the noise if we signed two LWB's and didn't use one! I would say a decent signing, just unlucky that he got injured so quickly and so badly.

I don't think KC's signings have been quite as bad as you think, and we know he wasn't allowed to spend any money really either due the current financial situation.

When you sign players like Sordell and Cox that have been out of action for so long , it is likely they will pick up injuries again and so itís a massive **** to take them on .
Powell gives nothing that our own under 18s canít give and is a waste of a signing .
Goode is a seasoned pro and surprise surprise is the one that stands out .
It gives me no confidence in Curle for next season at all .
Why has Andy williams fallen out of favour ?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: rebelspawn on February 19, 2019, 10:43:50 am
When you sign players like Sordell and Cox that have been out of action for so long , it is likely they will pick up injuries again and so itís a massive **** to take them on .
Powell gives nothing that our own under 18s canít give and is a waste of a signing .
Goode is a seasoned pro and surprise surprise is the one that stands out .
It gives me no confidence in Curle for next season at all .
Why has Andy williams fallen out of favour ?

There were rumours of Williams going to Salford in January weren't there? Now he seems to be out of favour with Curle. I am thinking maybe either Williams wanted out and the deal didn't go through or Curle wanted him out but Williams didn't want to go.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 19, 2019, 11:04:15 am
When you sign players like Sordell and Cox that have been out of action for so long , it is likely they will pick up injuries again and so itís a massive **** to take them on .
Powell gives nothing that our own under 18s canít give and is a waste of a signing .
Goode is a seasoned pro and surprise surprise is the one that stands out .
It gives me no confidence in Curle for next season at all .
Why has Andy williams fallen out of favour ?

Sordell maybe, but Cox had heart surgery and had been playing for the U23's I thought? Agreed on Powell though.

No idea on Williams, beggars belief that our top scorer sits on the bench when we lack goals. Even if the rumours about Salford are true either way, we should be utilising him and Morias.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: just.reading on February 19, 2019, 11:06:18 am
There were rumours of Williams going to Salford in January weren't there? Now he seems to be out of favour with Curle. I am thinking maybe either Williams wanted out and the deal didn't go through or Curle wanted him out but Williams didn't want to go.

Williams scored 8 in 10 games from mid-Oct to the end of December. He then failed to score in three starts and has been benched for 5 games in a row, failing to come on in two of those and then obviously only had 5 mins against Crawley on Saturday.

With van Veen and Crooks being sold he is our top scorer with 8 goals which is double the next two players; Morias and Pierre(!)

He's the only natural goal scorer we have and needs to be played. I don't know why he'd been dropped but he needs to come back in asap.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 19, 2019, 11:07:51 am
None of the players mentioned are our assets nor likely to be at the club in the medium term. Meanwhile, the star u-18's barely get an inroad.

Roberts came on as first sub on Saturday.

Other than J Williams are any of the others ready?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 19, 2019, 11:09:11 am

He's the only natural goal scorer we have and needs to be played.

Disagree that A Williams is our only natural goal scorer. I think Morias looks like he is a bigger threat if anything, he's certainly a real pest in respect of occupying defenders.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: just.reading on February 19, 2019, 11:14:39 am
Disagree that A Williams is our only natural goal scorer. I think Morias looks like he is a bigger threat if anything, he's certainly a real pest in respect of occupying defenders.

Not saying Morias doesn't give defenders something to think about (just like Hoskins does) but I think Williams is the only one I feel confident will put a chance away given the opportunity. His good run of form seems to have been rewarded with time on the bench.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Gen.Disorda on February 19, 2019, 11:34:15 am
Not saying Morias doesn't give defenders something to think about (just like Hoskins does) but I think Williams is the only one I feel confident will put a chance away given the opportunity. His good run of form seems to have been rewarded with time on the bench.

I think Hoskins is playing for 2 reasons, 1 the counter and 2 for his defensive work to stop the rot.

I would have done similar on Saturday but probably would have brought on Williams earlier.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 19, 2019, 11:51:27 am
I think Hoskins is playing for 2 reasons, 1 the counter and 2 for his defensive work to stop the rot.

I would have done similar on Saturday but probably would have brought on Williams earlier.

Reasonable comment; regarding Williams (A )there is clearly an apparent issue between him and KC. Otherwise he would have been on much sooner on Saturday. Must admit have been a little disappointed with Williams overall displays particularly in away games.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 19, 2019, 11:52:36 am
Roberts came on as first sub on Saturday.

Other than J Williams are any of the others ready?

No


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: just.reading on February 19, 2019, 12:08:21 pm
I think Hoskins is playing for 2 reasons, 1 the counter and 2 for his defensive work to stop the rot.

I would have done similar on Saturday but probably would have brought on Williams earlier.

Or start with both?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 19, 2019, 12:18:37 pm
No

Based on?

Camron McWilliams certainly looked useful in pre-season, and in my opinion is worthy of the backup role with Facey injured or Goode in a back three.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: rebelspawn on February 19, 2019, 12:19:50 pm
Williams scored 8 in 10 games from mid-Oct to the end of December. He then failed to score in three starts and has been benched for 5 games in a row, failing to come on in two of those and then obviously only had 5 mins against Crawley on Saturday.

With van Veen and Crooks being sold he is our top scorer with 8 goals which is double the next two players; Morias and Pierre(!)

He's the only natural goal scorer we have and needs to be played. I don't know why he'd been dropped but he needs to come back in asap.

Completely agree, which is why i am thinking its a more personal thing between him and Curle rather than football related reasons. Just speculation from my side though...


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 19, 2019, 12:22:34 pm
Roberts came on as first sub on Saturday.

Other than J Williams are any of the others ready?
The centre back on loan at St Neots. Played more men's games than any of the others. Very tall, left-footed, brave and can play a bit. No sign of him getting a chance. Not sure he is in KC's plans. That goes for a few others. Doesn't matter how highly they are thought of in the academy, KC has final decision. If he doesn't rate them, they will be released in the near future.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 19, 2019, 13:04:27 pm
What I am puzzled by is the fact that the young lads we bring in from other clubs donít appear to be any better than the ones we have in our own academy .
Thatís not just this season , it seems to be a pattern .
Is Powell really any better than Williams for example ?
Was Poole any better than MacWilliams last season ?
Is Cox so much better than Cameron MacWilliams ?
A lot of it is down to first team experience I think .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: meccanostand on February 19, 2019, 13:22:00 pm
The centre back on loan at St Neots. Played more men's games than any of the others. Very tall, left-footed, brave and can play a bit. No sign of him getting a chance. Not sure he is in KC's plans. That goes for a few others. Doesn't matter how highly they are thought of in the academy, KC has final decision. If he doesn't rate them, they will be released in the near future.

And therein lies the problem.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Gen.Disorda on February 19, 2019, 13:43:50 pm
We played a lot of kids against Cambridge and they got a rude welcome to Mens football.

It has to be a gradual process.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on February 19, 2019, 14:17:57 pm
Based on?

Camron McWilliams certainly looked useful in pre-season, and in my opinion is worthy of the backup role with Facey injured or Goode in a back three.

I forgot about his brother, apologies!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 19, 2019, 14:42:55 pm
What I am puzzled by is the fact that the young lads we bring in from other clubs donít appear to be any better than the ones we have in our own academy .
Thatís not just this season , it seems to be a pattern .
Is Powell really any better than Williams for example ?
Was Poole any better than MacWilliams last season ?
Is Cox so much better than Cameron MacWilliams ?
A lot of it is down to first team experience I think .
I agree with above. The goalkeeper is the best we've had come through the academy in years and he doesn't get a mention.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on February 19, 2019, 14:57:25 pm
Donít get me wrong Iíd rather see one of our own in the first team than joe Powell or elsnik and unless theyíre given an opportunity weíll never know if theyíre ready, but with the possible exception of Jay Williams (who still needs to fill out a bit which will come as he matures) are any of the others physically ready for league football? I agree with Coolcat to a degree in saying that when Morgan Roberts came on he looked about 14 - it wouldnít be so much of an issue if he was rapid but he didnít look particularly quick.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 19, 2019, 15:03:23 pm
I agree with above. The goalkeeper is the best we've had come through the academy in years and he doesn't get a mention.

Isn't Goff injured? The reason he doesn't get mentioned is that with Coddington still on the books, KC is always going to put him on the bench.

If Coddington is released in the summer (you would presume this would happen), I would expect Goff to get a new contract and play the back up role to Cornell.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: just.reading on February 19, 2019, 15:03:59 pm
Donít get me wrong Iíd rather see one of our own in the first team than joe Powell or elsnik and unless theyíre given an opportunity weíll never know if theyíre ready, but with the possible exception of Jay Williams (who still needs to fill out a bit which will come as he matures) are any of the others physically ready for league football? I agree with Coolcat to a degree in saying that when Morgan Roberts came on he looked about 14 - it wouldnít be so much of an issue if he was rapid but he didnít look particularly quick.

The only exception I can think of is Michael Jacobs who was only 17(?) when he started playing regularly for us and, despite looking like he was fresh out of secondary school, was head and shoulders above anybody else of the pitch most weeks. 


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boring Bar Steward on February 19, 2019, 15:19:26 pm
Donít get me wrong Iíd rather see one of our own in the first team than joe Powell or elsnik and unless theyíre given an opportunity weíll never know if theyíre ready, but with the possible exception of Jay Williams (who still needs to fill out a bit which will come as he matures) are any of the others physically ready for league football? I agree with Coolcat to a degree in saying that when Morgan Roberts came on he looked about 14 - it wouldnít be so much of an issue if he was rapid but he didnít look particularly quick.
Morgan has the skill, pace and awareness to be the next Michael Jacobs but what he does not have is experience, which I hope he gets once we are safe in League 2 this season (along with 2 or 3 others).

Yes he is slight but Messi and Silva seem to cope!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 19, 2019, 15:19:34 pm
Donít get me wrong Iíd rather see one of our own in the first team than joe Powell or elsnik and unless theyíre given an opportunity weíll never know if theyíre ready, but with the possible exception of Jay Williams (who still needs to fill out a bit which will come as he matures) are any of the others physically ready for league football? I agree with Coolcat to a degree in saying that when Morgan Roberts came on he looked about 14 - it wouldnít be so much of an issue if he was rapid but he didnít look particularly quick.
It's why I mentioned the centre back. He has the physicality to men's football.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on February 19, 2019, 15:22:03 pm
Morgan has the skill, pace and awareness to be the next Michael Jacobs but what he does not have is experience, which I hope he gets once we are safe in League 2 this season (along with 2 or 3 others).

Yes he is slight but Messi and Silva seem to cope!

Fair doís, sounds an exciting prospect - letís hope he gets a few more chances before the end of the season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 19, 2019, 15:23:12 pm
Isn't Goff injured? The reason he doesn't get mentioned is that with Coddington still on the books, KC is always going to put him on the bench.

If Coddington is released in the summer (you would presume this would happen), I would expect Goff to get a new contract and play the back up role to Cornell.
Wasn't talking about Goff. Sort of proves my point. Goff has returned to training recently. Will probably play a part in the game today. I know KC wants to see him play.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 19, 2019, 16:03:54 pm
Wasn't talking about Goff. Sort of proves my point. Goff has returned to training recently. Will probably play a part in the game today. I know KC wants to see him play.

Certainly does, as their doesn't seem to be much championing of another keeper on our books.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 19, 2019, 16:42:25 pm
Wasn't talking about Goff. Sort of proves my point. Goff has returned to training recently. Will probably play a part in the game today. I know KC wants to see him play.

Bradley Lashley who has been on work experience at Wellingborough. I take it this is who you were referring to Mathius? 


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 19, 2019, 16:45:07 pm
Certainly does, as their doesn't seem to be much championing of another keeper on our books.


Think the centre back and keeper are 2 of the most underrated players in the squad. We also have a striker with over 20 goals playing for Wellingborough tonight. I just hope we don't lose some of these players because of one person's opinion; especially, when there's a good chance that person won't be around a year from now. In a forward-thinking club, KT would confer with his academy staff and make these decisions himself. Why rely entirely on the view of a manager when they have such a short shelf life.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 19, 2019, 16:47:26 pm
Bradley Lashley who has been on work experience at Wellingborough. I take it this is who you were referring to Mathius? 
Yes, TP. Purely my opinion but I think he's the best since Bunn.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 19, 2019, 16:52:10 pm
It's why I mentioned the centre back. He has the physicality to men's football.

Ryan Hughes? Work experience at St Neots Town.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 19, 2019, 17:44:20 pm
You can mentioned their names. They are our players.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: bungle on February 19, 2019, 18:18:43 pm
As others have said, there's nothing inherently defensive about 4-2-3-1 and Wilder employed it with great success in our title winning season. The problems on Saturday were:

1. If you play a 5ft 8 lone frontman in L2 then you better be a very decent footballing side. We aren't. Defenders at this level need an 'out' ball and there is a reason why the vast majority of L2 sides play with a targetman. Rico could make the lone frontman role work due to his intelligent hold up play and strength; Hoskins simply doesn't have these attributes.

2. The three behind the striker had never played together in this system before and it showed.

Players at this level need the simplicity and automaticity which comes from playing a regular system. The more they have to 'think' spontaneously the more they will struggle. Curle blamed individual decision making on the radio, but if the system is clearly defined then the malign influence of individual decisions is minimised.

I'm no fan of 3-5-2, but that's the system Curle has introduced and he should have brought Jay Williams in and stuck to it on Saturday.

When I look at any side I always think: what are the routes to goal? In Wilder's side, there were a multitude: wide men cross into Rico; widemen cut inside and get a shot away; Rico lays it off to widemen/O'Toole arriving late.

Looking at the side on Saturday, only two routes to goal presented themselves: set piece or Hoskins somehow springing the offside trap.

If Curle actually wants to win games rather than simply avoiding defeat then he needs to have a serious rethink.











Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3114 on February 19, 2019, 19:43:32 pm
As others have said, there's nothing inherently defensive about 4-2-3-1 and Wilder employed it with great success in our title winning season. The problems on Saturday were:

1. If you play a 5ft 8 lone frontman in L2 then you better be a very decent footballing side. We aren't. Defenders at this level need an 'out' ball and there is a reason why the vast majority of L2 sides play with a targetman. Rico could make the lone frontman role work due to his intelligent hold up play and strength; Hoskins simply doesn't have these attributes.

2. The three behind the striker had never played together in this system before and it showed.

Players at this level need the simplicity and automaticity which comes from playing a regular system. The more they have to 'think' spontaneously the more they will struggle. Curle blamed individual decision making on the radio, but if the system is clearly defined then the malign influence of individual decisions is minimised.

I'm no fan of 3-5-2, but that's the system Curle has introduced and he should have brought Jay Williams in and stuck to it on Saturday.

When I look at any side I always think: what are the routes to goal? In Wilder's side, there were a multitude: wide men cross into Rico; widemen cut inside and get a shot away; Rico lays it off to widemen/O'Toole arriving late.

Looking at the side on Saturday, only two routes to goal presented themselves: set piece or Hoskins somehow springing the offside trap.

If Curle actually wants to win games rather than simply avoiding defeat then he needs to have a serious rethink.










So, wide men is the route then? Thatís fine weíve got just the players in, er, Iíll get back to you.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 19, 2019, 20:02:25 pm
Ryan Hughes? Work experience at St Neots Town.
yes


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 19, 2019, 21:10:35 pm
Think the centre back and keeper are 2 of the most underrated players in the squad. We also have a striker with over 20 goals playing for Wellingborough tonight. I just hope we don't lose some of these players because of one person's opinion; especially, when there's a good chance that person won't be around a year from now. In a forward-thinking club, KT would confer with his academy staff and make these decisions himself. Why rely entirely on the view of a manager when they have such a short shelf life.
..... unless the academy manager took on more of a first team role ...


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 20, 2019, 09:36:54 am
..... unless the academy manager took on more of a first team role ...
The new guy seems a decent bloke. Don't know what sort of relationship he has with KC.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 20, 2019, 18:17:22 pm
The new guy seems a decent bloke. Don't know what sort of relationship he has with KC.
I didnít mean him :)
We have got probably the best crop of youngsters we have ever had and maybe we should do a ď Gareth SouthgateĒ just a thought ....
I do accept that too many of them in the same team is dangerous , as exemplified at Cambridge when I believe they were thrown under the bus .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 20, 2019, 21:25:49 pm
I see. He probably would be successful. Don't know how many of the current youth team are ready now - maybe none of them - yet. But I've said before, this team have been doing it for years. It hasn't just happened. JB has been good for their development but they were winning already when he joined the club. Except for last year when TG insisted on giving older players preference when it came to team selection. A few of the current 2nd years didn't get much game time last season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 20, 2019, 22:44:05 pm
I see. He probably would be successful. Don't know how many of the current youth team are ready now - maybe none of them - yet. But I've said before, this team have been doing it for years. It hasn't just happened. JB has been good for their development but they were winning already when he joined the club. Except for last year when TG insisted on giving older players preference when it came to team selection. A few of the current 2nd years didn't get much game time last season.
It would be great if we could take our Golden Generation and take them through to the first team under the guidance of their mentor !
Itís not going to happen , as you suggest but what an acheivment that would be .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 21, 2019, 08:48:02 am
It would be great if we could take our Golden Generation and take them through to the first team under the guidance of their mentor !
Itís not going to happen , as you suggest but what an acheivment that would be .

I agree. I think the club will baulk over paying a minimal wage to some of them. As a result, we will lose players, that on other years, probably would have been offered a pro deal. Giving a first pro deal is always a **** but for a minimum investment. Looking at the obscene money paid to recent managers and players makes it even more frustrating.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on February 21, 2019, 08:55:45 am
real shame, I guess this just proves KTs medium to long term strategy.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on February 21, 2019, 09:39:35 am
real shame, I guess this just proves KTs medium to long term strategy.
I agree. Otherwise they would have an U23s in place for next season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: meccanostand on February 21, 2019, 19:13:01 pm
Cam McWilliams has joined Corby on loan. Step 3 of non-league.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: The Rauldinho on February 21, 2019, 19:15:50 pm
Cam McWilliams has joined Corby on loan. Step 3 of non-league.

Better than nothing, at least he will get some game time.

Still think he should be getting minutes with us though, especially in light of how poor we have been at RWB and Facey seemingly quite injury prone.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3245 on February 22, 2019, 20:40:11 pm
Curley-Cobblers is our Saviour.

If you think otherwise, then dip your hands deep into your pockets and buy JoseM.  Surely, playing FootballManker games tells you everything?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 23, 2019, 23:15:25 pm
Fair enough , we won today but I hate the talk of ď putting the ball in good areas ď and ď territorial advantage ď .
What about skill , movement and innovation ?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Macc Cobbler on March 02, 2019, 18:20:00 pm
To be fair, team selection was spot on today ..... And a good double substitution


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on March 02, 2019, 18:32:42 pm
Well over 29 games, he's almost achieved play off form whilst cutting the budget so Im happy at the minute.

Football can change so quickly. 5 games ago, on the back of the 0-4, the situation could have potentially swung the other way but he's now 99.9% likely to earn the right to remould the squad in the summer and rightly so. The majority who only go to the home games will perhaps be more critical than the **** 10-15% of the fan base who regularly travel or at least listen in to Tim etc, with a few exceptions; but for me he's currently doing just fine.

On seeing the team selection today, I thought wtf, but it turned out to be totally justified. Funny old game!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on March 02, 2019, 18:35:53 pm
To be fair, team selection was spot on today ..... And a good double substitution

+


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 02, 2019, 18:51:52 pm
Three wins and a draw from the last four aways isn't a bad return...


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Lukey on March 02, 2019, 21:11:46 pm
He is getting the results he needs, it doesn't need to be fanciful, it's a results business and Keithy Curle's making all the right noises here at the Cobblers.

Well done Keith.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: defender on March 03, 2019, 09:25:24 am

as for me. he is doing a great job.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on March 03, 2019, 17:04:59 pm
I would say he started off doing a good job, lost his way for a month or so, and is now back on track again, having reverted back to a more physical line-up and style of play which mostly suits the plyers we have (fitness permitting). Overall of course I'm happy with the points gained and the fact that KC has made us much more competitive in this division.

Obviously yesterday's tinkering worked, but of course there have been other times it hasn't, and it's something I don't particularly like. While I accept there may be a few cases of horses for courses, I'd rather see our best/most in form players stay in the team while they're playing well. It seems however, that while KC is at the helm, tinkering with team selection will be a regular occurence. If it starts to work most of the time, KC will soon become a hero and I will happily go along with it. If it doesn't he will regularly get stick.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 03, 2019, 17:50:10 pm
Believe it or not, we'd be 8th in the league only outside the playoffs on GD if the season had started when KC took his first game.

Think a lot of the perception around the progress so far under KC is down to the drab football and points dropped at home in the majority of his games.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on March 03, 2019, 18:32:07 pm
as for me. he is doing a great job.
Can you stop whispering!😊


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: SadOldGit on March 03, 2019, 19:33:28 pm
Has the expulsion of Garth and van Petulant got anything to do with it?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on March 03, 2019, 20:26:34 pm
Has the expulsion of Garth and van Petulant got anything to do with it?

I would have loved to see KvV in action against Crewe yesterday - just hope we can resign him.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on March 03, 2019, 20:46:50 pm
I would have loved to see KvV in action against Crewe yesterday - just hope we can resign him.

Fat chance.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on March 03, 2019, 21:08:56 pm
Fat chance.

.....agreed , just wishful thinking on my part 8)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 03, 2019, 21:33:25 pm
Fat chance.

Unless we're back in League One...  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on March 03, 2019, 22:08:03 pm
Unless we're back in League One...  ;D

Fat chance  ;)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on March 03, 2019, 22:12:43 pm
Fat chance  ;)

 ;) I shall gleefully remind you if we do make it! 8)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 03, 2019, 22:29:28 pm
Fat chance  ;)

He'll be well past it by then... ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on March 04, 2019, 18:35:46 pm
Id love to see the difference in points gained between 3 at the back and 4 at the back.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Lukey on March 09, 2019, 23:38:12 pm
The guy deserves a beer for game plan today alone.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on March 10, 2019, 01:04:20 am
The guy deserves a beer for game plan today alone.

Absolutely


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 10, 2019, 13:09:12 pm
Believe it or not, we'd be 8th in the league only outside the playoffs on GD if the season had started when KC took his first game.

Think a lot of the perception around the progress so far under KC is down to the drab football and points dropped at home in the majority of his games.

Where would we be after that round of results?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 10, 2019, 21:53:13 pm
Where would we be after that round of results?

Looks like the Chronic are pinching some ideas, although I don't like the way they put it over six pages, similarly with the player ratings...
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers/how-would-the-table-look-if-the-season-started-when-keith-curle-took-charge-of-the-cobblers-1-8842199


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: rebelspawn on March 11, 2019, 10:52:47 am
Looks like the Chronic are pinching some ideas, although I don't like the way they put it over six pages, similarly with the player ratings...
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers/how-would-the-table-look-if-the-season-started-when-keith-curle-took-charge-of-the-cobblers-1-8842199

More pages to display more ads unfortunately. The sheer amount of scripts running all over the chron website make its performance absolutely terrible, even before you consider how intrusive the ads themselves are.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 11, 2019, 12:21:02 pm
More pages to display more ads unfortunately. The sheer amount of scripts running all over the chron website make its performance absolutely terrible, even before you consider how intrusive the ads themselves are.

When you use an adblocker the amount of ads it shows as blocked is unbelievable. They'll be hoist by their own petard in the end; I fully appreciate ads are their main form of funding these days and don't mind seeing a few, but the sheer volume they throw at you affects load times to such a degree the site becomes unusable. In fact, the Chron website was the only reason I installed an adblocker! And yes, in the end if everyone uses an adblocker we'll lose the site altogether, so it's a catch 22 situation...


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: rebelspawn on March 11, 2019, 12:44:45 pm
When you use an adblocker the amount of ads it shows as blocked is unbelievable. They'll be hoist by their own petard in the end; I fully appreciate ads are their main form of funding these days and don't mind seeing a few, but the sheer volume they throw at you affects load times to such a degree the site becomes unusable. In fact, the Chron website was the only reason I installed an adblocker! And yes, in the end if everyone uses an adblocker we'll lose the site altogether, so it's a catch 22 situation...

yeah, agreed. i regularly whitelist certain sites i like because i appreciate that have to make their money through ads. I will only whitelist if the ads are never popups, never involve motion and the general level of performance is still good. Chron website fails on all three counts.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3245 on March 15, 2019, 03:08:28 am
He is the best man for the job.  A master-stroke by our man at the helm to bring him in.

He will make you doubters eat your own bile-laced excre-words........


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3245 on March 15, 2019, 03:13:55 am
I see a team that is now united and fighting together.  A team that embodies all that every fan could want..... commitment and endeavour.

If you want tippy-tappy, then f@ck off and watch the Prem.  And f@ck off from this Board.  Your negativity will be sorely missed (by your ego-shaped mirror).

This is Div 2.......  and Curley-Cobblers will get us to Div 1 before his contract runs out.

Believe, good folk.  BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on March 17, 2019, 19:18:35 pm
I see a team that is now united and fighting together.  A team that embodies all that every fan could want..... commitment and endeavour.

If you want tippy-tappy, then f@ck off and watch the Prem.  And f@ck off from this Board.  Your negativity will be sorely missed (by your ego-shaped mirror).

This is Div 2.......  and Curley-Cobblers will get us to Div 1 before his contract runs out.

Believe, good folk.  BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I think KC's now got it right about the way to play in this division and with the players we've got, although it's not always great to watch. My confidence in him is being restored, but I don't much care for your ridiculously insulting attitude, which seems to be reacting to some non-existent recent criticism of KC on recent pages of this thread. I feel your love of the man has become something of an obsession and you may need professional help.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: cox23jam on March 25, 2019, 09:57:58 am
This may have already been explained/answered but anyways - can someone explain the following (and yes I am aware the following is more of a statement than a question):

KC has previously stated he won't just hand out first team places to our own youth team players and clearly favours 'experienced' pros who in his opinion need the opportunity to earn another contract somewhere else, yet he seems very happy to throw our youth players under the bus:

Without Turnbull the midfield was never going to be as strong or robust so the defence was going to be under more pressure than normal & we have seen several times that Ash does not set a good example or support younger players (Odoffin first game of the season) and is not capable of guiding a young player through 90 mins, so why include 2 youth team players one making his first league two appearance.

But also he goes on about experienced pros yet leaves Facey on the bench - surely it would have made more sense to slide Goode inside to CB and play Facey at right back? or maybe Facey doesn't deserve the opportunity to earn a new contract unlike Bowditch?! And since Bridge played his best game for us vs Carlisle in his most preferred position we have barely seem him since.

I am very supportive of introducing our youth players but we need to ensure they have the right players around them to thrive, this weekend or cambridge away are prime examples of how not to introduce youth players into the first team.

Was the recent good run just very lucky in the fact that we were relatively solid at the back (although still gave away chances (newport at home) and managed to sneak a goal similar to Boothroyd although even under Boothroyd we seemed to have a plan of how we would score.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on March 25, 2019, 10:20:52 am
I canít stand his style of football and I think he is full of b*llocks but we have to put up with him .
I donít think we will be going anywhere with him in charge and I certainly wonít be travelling miles to watch his teams play but we are where we are - stuck in no mans land as a club .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 25, 2019, 12:43:15 pm
http://www.smfserver.com/forums/thehotelend/index.php?topic=9483.0
http://www.smfserver.com/forums/thehotelend/index.php?topic=12151.0
http://www.smfserver.com/forums/thehotelend/index.php?topic=12285.0
http://www.smfserver.com/forums/thehotelend/index.php?topic=12282.0

Eleven months in including a summer window and some were still questioning his appointment...


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on March 25, 2019, 12:52:47 pm
http://www.smfserver.com/forums/thehotelend/index.php?topic=9483.0
http://www.smfserver.com/forums/thehotelend/index.php?topic=12151.0
http://www.smfserver.com/forums/thehotelend/index.php?topic=12285.0
http://www.smfserver.com/forums/thehotelend/index.php?topic=12282.0

Eleven months in including a summer window and some were still questioning his appointment...
Curle and West canít shine a light to Wilder and Knill.
Not tactically , not from a player selection angle and not from a man management point of view.
Curle was given a much better squad of players to initially work with than Wilder.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 25, 2019, 13:21:52 pm
Curle and West canít shine a light to Wilder and Knill.
Not tactically , not from a player selection angle and not from a man management point of view.
Curle was given a much better squad of players to initially work with than Wilder.


It's uncanny how the comments are so very similar, especially about the styles of play, when they are/were attempting to achieve a similar aim in turning round the club/team. 
Curle and West can't currently shine a light on Wilder and Knill however, neither could Wilder and Knill initially.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on March 25, 2019, 13:42:45 pm
Curle and West canít shine a light to Wilder and Knill.

And that's why they're not here anymore. Considering we've only had two managers in thirty plus years who stormed this division like Wilder did. I'd say that indicates that they are exceptionally hard to get hold of. And even harder to keep.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: barton cobbler on March 26, 2019, 00:22:23 am
KC has previously stated he won't just hand out first team places to our own youth team players and clearly favours 'experienced' pros who in his opinion need the opportunity to earn another contract somewhere else, yet he seems very happy to throw our youth players under the bus:

Without Turnbull the midfield was never going to be as strong or robust so the defence was going to be under more pressure than normal & we have seen several times that Ash does not set a good example or support younger players (Odoffin first game of the season) and is not capable of guiding a young player through 90 mins, so why include 2 youth team players one making his first league two appearance.

But also he goes on about experienced pros yet leaves Facey on the bench - surely it would have made more sense to slide Goode inside to CB and play Facey at right back? or maybe Facey doesn't deserve the opportunity to earn a new contract unlike Bowditch?! And since Bridge played his best game for us vs Carlisle in his most preferred position we have barely seem him since.

I am very supportive of introducing our youth players but we need to ensure they have the right players around them to thrive, this weekend or cambridge away are prime examples of how not to introduce youth players into the first team..
This pretty much echo's what I thought, there must be some logic in it somewhere but I'm struggling to see it.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 26, 2019, 10:19:27 am
Fundamentally Curle had a target this season which was to keep us in the league, something that looked at risk going back to September.

He's done that with ease.

Style-wise I really don't think any of us can judge him until next season. He's got an unbalanced and pretty one dimensional squad. We've seen what happens if you try to play expansive football with this lot at the start of DA's reign and when KC tried his 3-5-2 formation, before reverting to the more robust 4-4-2.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on March 30, 2019, 19:46:31 pm
Major overhaul required in the summer. Sadly think I'd include KC.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on March 30, 2019, 20:34:06 pm
Seemed clueless today. If you read about his previous jobs, itís following a very familiar pattern.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on March 30, 2019, 20:41:23 pm
Curle has condemned his players in that interview Austin style .
Fine that he speaks honestly and explains our dire football but how is he going to get anyone up for the games after that ?
I think a lot of players know that are on the way out .
There was some self preservation going on there


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on March 30, 2019, 21:08:19 pm
Curle has condemned his players in that interview Austin style .
Fine that he speaks honestly and explains our dire football but how is he going to get anyone up for the games after that ?
I think a lot of players know that are on the way out .
There was some self preservation going on there

Just playing devils advocate shouldnít there be a large element of the players getting themselves up for the matches as a prerequisite - isnít that part of the reason that they have seen off 3 previous managers? I share the concerns voiced on here but weíve got no choice but to give KC the summer and at least the first 10 games of next season - the choice has been made and heís under contract, if you donít like it then criticise KT as it was his appointment.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on March 30, 2019, 21:33:59 pm
Just playing devils advocate shouldnít there be a large element of the players getting themselves up for the matches as a prerequisite - isnít that part of the reason that they have seen off 3 previous managers? I share the concerns voiced on here but weíve got no choice but to give KC the summer and at least the first 10 games of next season - the choice has been made and heís under contract, if you donít like it then criticise KT as it was his appointment.

Spot on Irchy.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on March 30, 2019, 21:41:33 pm
Just playing devils advocate shouldnít there be a large element of the players getting themselves up for the matches as a prerequisite - isnít that part of the reason that they have seen off 3 previous managers? I share the concerns voiced on here but weíve got no choice but to give KC the summer and at least the first 10 games of next season - the choice has been made and heís under contract, if you donít like it then criticise KT as it was his appointment.

We do have a choice itchy, we could shake his hand for keepingvus up and part ways before the summer.

It will cost so almost definatly won't happen,  but in some ways id rather it happen before the summer rather than November time as another would be lost by then.

Think your right in the sense he will be going nowhere tho, unless ownership changes



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BMON on March 30, 2019, 23:12:59 pm
Fire sale ASAP


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: memyhead on March 31, 2019, 00:39:27 am
KC still making bizarre substitutions....
Williams instead of Sordell today a prime example but he's done the job asked of him by keeping us up...

He's had to work with pretty much the same squad bar adding some loans in the notoriously difficult January transfer window.

As long as he gets rid of all the out of contract players, bar Bridge, then he deserves the summer window to rebuild. Hopefully, there'll also be takers for Bunney, Waters & AT.

Last thing we need is another managerial change & keep giving these underperforming pros yet another chance.

His after match comments today spoke volumes & echoed what DA was saying all along...

It's quite a achievement that KC has kept us up when you think about it.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 31, 2019, 08:44:40 am
After yesterday I think even the most blindly optimistic of us will concede that the season is now over. I'd use the remaining games to blood a few of our promising youngsters. With games against some of the bottom sides coming up it's important that we don't undermine the integrity of the league by playing all of them (tempting as it is), but after yesterday's abject shžt show of a performance can anyone honestly say a side containing a few raw but hungry kids would do any worse?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Winslow Lee on March 31, 2019, 08:56:41 am
With games against some of the bottom sides coming up it's important that we don't undermine the integrity of the league by playing all of them (tempting as it is)
Arenít we doing that right now with the performances of the full time pros, might as well bin off all the loan signings too.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on March 31, 2019, 09:20:08 am
Arenít we doing that right now with the performances of the full time pros, might as well bin off all the loan signings too.

There is absolutely no point in Joe Powell or elsnik staying until the end of the season (although they will of course), for some reason KC likes Sordell (another ineffective, non goal scoring forward) and Goode is the exception although having said that itís only worth keeping on playing him if he is going to join full time in the summer. That said, what do people think about his best position - is he going to be a full time full back or a centre back?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on March 31, 2019, 09:29:50 am
I see a team that is now united and fighting together.  A team that embodies all that every fan could want..... commitment and endeavour.

If you want tippy-tappy, then f@ck off and watch the Prem.  And f@ck off from this Board.  Your negativity will be sorely missed (by your ego-shaped mirror).

This is Div 2.......  and Curley-Cobblers will get us to Div 1 before his contract runs out.

Believe, good folk.  BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



 ;D You can keep your Keith Curle , im not watching anymore of that sh!te


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on March 31, 2019, 10:16:01 am
KC still making bizarre substitutions....
Williams instead of Sordell today a prime example but he's done the job asked of him by keeping us up...

He's had to work with pretty much the same squad bar adding some loans in the notoriously difficult January transfer window.

As long as he gets rid of all the out of contract players, bar Bridge, then he deserves the summer window to rebuild. Hopefully, there'll also be takers for Bunney, Waters & AT.

Last thing we need is another managerial change & keep giving these underperforming pros yet another chance.

His after match comments today spoke volumes & echoed what DA was saying all along...

It's quite a achievement that KC has kept us up when you think about it.

I donít buy that at all.
Itís no achievement to have kept us up. Thatís what he wants you to believe .
He hasnít got anywhere near the best out of what he has got and has played one dimensional , predictable football .
Fed up of snowflakes giving people sympathy


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on March 31, 2019, 10:26:55 am
WTF happened to the team that played at Stevenage a few weeks ago?
Curle is a very bizarre man, constantly tinkering, unfathomable substitutions BUT most worryingly a absolutly fcuking terrible style of play to watch.
Yesterday was a bore fest with some of the worst football I have seen, Ash Taylor was a prime example when he hoofed the ball straight to their keeper, soul destroying to watch.
Curle has never managed a promotion and now I know why.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on March 31, 2019, 10:30:44 am
WTF happened to the team that played at Stevenage a few weeks ago?
Curle is a very bizarre man, constantly tinkering, unfathomable substitutions BUT most worryingly a absolutly fcuking terrible style of play to watch.
Yesterday was a bore fest with some of the worst football I have seen, Ash Taylor was a prime example when he hoofed the ball straight to their keeper, soul destroying to watch.
Curle has never managed a promotion and now I know why.
And then spouts absolute non sensical rubbish afterwards . Stumbling over his words , contradicting himself and making a complete embarrassment of himself as he attempts to be articulate but drivels on incessantly .
Quite honestly I think he is a prat


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on March 31, 2019, 11:31:17 am
The one thing positive to say about KC is that he has steered this awful side clear of a relegation battle and so he as done the job he was brought here to do.  That is the only positive. The football under him has been dire and prospects of a massive clear out and the introduction of new, better players seems naively optimistic.  With our current owners the bigger danger is the likelihood of our better players being sold (not many but Pierre & Turnbull are capable of playing above L2) and the usual crop of journeymen arriving to replace them. 

Unless there is a change of ownership of the club before August we are stuck with jigsaws, bridges & foundations and more managerial gibberish for at least the first part of next season by which time there will more anger & frustration from a diminishing supporter base.   


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on March 31, 2019, 12:28:27 pm
The one thing positive to say about KC is that he has steered this awful side clear of a relegation battle and so he as done the job he was brought here to do.  That is the only positive. The football under him has been dire and prospects of a massive clear out and the introduction of new, better players seems naively optimistic.  With our current owners the bigger danger is the likelihood of our better players being sold (not many but Pierre & Turnbull are capable of playing above L2) and the usual crop of journeymen arriving to replace them. 

Unless there is a change of ownership of the club before August we are stuck with jigsaws, bridges & foundations and more managerial gibberish for at least the first part of next season by which time there will more anger & frustration from a diminishing supporter base.   

Good to hear that you're as positive as always.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on March 31, 2019, 12:36:14 pm
Good to hear that you're as positive as always.

And the positives are? 


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on March 31, 2019, 12:48:19 pm
Good to hear that you're as positive as always.

Realistic tho tbh


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on March 31, 2019, 12:50:26 pm
And the positives are? 

52 points with six games to go.

Did you hear his interview after the game? He seems to know exactly what is wrong, who he wants to keep (if any), and is already identifying players for next season. So, quite a few positives. Give the man a chance with out these under-performing players who have let down Edinburgh, JFH and Dean Austin.  


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on March 31, 2019, 12:53:35 pm
Realistic tho tbh

Of course, you would know about being positive  ;)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 31, 2019, 14:23:51 pm
Realistic tho tbh

Not realistic, it's just an opinion without any consideration for the mitigating circumstances...


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on March 31, 2019, 15:05:57 pm
It's funny (strange) how the so called Administrators on this site are quick to rush to rubbish anything the more questioning amongst our number e.g. Random, Beds (bless him), Manwork04, Jolly Cobbler and myself post.   

We are accused of having an agenda.  And them?



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 31, 2019, 16:43:38 pm
It's funny (strange) how the so called Administrators on this site are quick to rush to rubbish anything the more questioning amongst our number e.g. Random, Beds (bless him), Manwork04, Jolly Cobbler and myself post.  

We are accused of having an agenda.  And them?


What, the noisy bully club?
No agenda, unless you call putting balance and realism into your own one sided mantra an agenda?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on March 31, 2019, 17:01:52 pm
Absolute rubbish, Deepcut.   


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on March 31, 2019, 17:18:02 pm
52 points with six games to go.

Did you hear his interview after the game? He seems to know exactly what is wrong, who he wants to keep (if any), and is already identifying players for next season. So, quite a few positives. Give the man a chance with out these under-performing players who have let down Edinburgh, JFH and Dean Austin.  
Spot on, TP. Not my favourite manager but his success elsewhere justifies giving him a chance to bring in his own players and hopefully find more consistency. I was saying a year ago that this squad was gutless and useless. KC said himself yesterday that they [the players] haven't realised yet how useless they are. Let's see how next season goes. Got a feeling the rest of this one will be a write-off.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 31, 2019, 18:24:09 pm
Absolute rubbish, Deepcut.  


Really?
Which part?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on March 31, 2019, 18:37:04 pm
All parts and no "one sided mantra".  You will see soon enough who is right and who is wrong.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on March 31, 2019, 19:01:38 pm
All parts and no "one sided mantra".  You will see soon enough who is right and who is wrong.

Are you going to let us know the lottery numbers too?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on March 31, 2019, 19:46:20 pm
Not realistic, it's just an opinion without any consideration for the mitigating circumstances...

I've considered the mitigating circumstances and still say it's realistic 😉


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on March 31, 2019, 20:41:23 pm
Of course, you would know about being positive  ;)

 ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on March 31, 2019, 21:16:43 pm
Good to hear that you're as positive as always.

The last three posts from the three Amigo's - you have to wonder how they will fare in the face of adversity.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on March 31, 2019, 21:44:25 pm
The last three posts from the three Amigo's - you have to wonder how they will fare in the face of adversity.

Better than you that's for sure, better to face reality head on then live in cloud cuckoo land


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: cox23jam on April 01, 2019, 09:37:29 am
I disagree that KC has achieved this season by keeping us up, I think JFH would have achieved similar results and the similarities from last season to season suggest to me that KC is not the man to take us forward.

There was a period last season where JFH got the team defending reasonably well playing a back four with Turnbull left back, the draw at Blackburn springs to mind, KC has taken a very similar strategy recently utilising Goode at RB although arguably in the main we looked more of a threat under JFH before the wheels eventually fell off. Even JFH last season had patches where we were winning games - Bradford, MK - 3-4 games in a row and then it went wrong again. KC seems to be following the same path.

One of the biggest factors for me in deciding if KC stays or goes at the end of the season is S McWilliams, this year he appears to be going backwards and KC does not set up or play to support him. SW is clearly very talented and could be running our midfield and dominating the league as a complete box to box midfielder yet under KC I can't ssee this happening as if this does not improve I think we need to move on from KC.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 01, 2019, 09:47:49 am
I disagree that KC has achieved this season by keeping us up, I think JFH would have achieved similar results and the similarities from last season to season suggest to me that KC is not the man to take us forward.

There was a period last season where JFH got the team defending reasonably well playing a back four with Turnbull left back, the draw at Blackburn springs to mind, KC has taken a very similar strategy recently utilising Goode at RB although arguably in the main we looked more of a threat under JFH before the wheels eventually fell off. Even JFH last season had patches where we were winning games - Bradford, MK - 3-4 games in a row and then it went wrong again. KC seems to be following the same path.

One of the biggest factors for me in deciding if KC stays or goes at the end of the season is S McWilliams, this year he appears to be going backwards and KC does not set up or play to support him. SW is clearly very talented and could be running our midfield and dominating the league as a complete box to box midfielder yet under KC I can't ssee this happening as if this does not improve I think we need to move on from KC.

Doesn't that tell you more about the players than the managers. As KC says if you can't change players, change players. I'm sure he will in the summer. Another small point that people seem to be missing is Curle is under contract next season, so unless he's sacked he won't be going anywhere.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Quintonside on April 01, 2019, 10:58:11 am
I disagree that KC has achieved this season by keeping us up, I think JFH would have achieved similar results and the similarities from last season to season suggest to me that KC is not the man to take us forward.

There was a period last season where JFH got the team defending reasonably well playing a back four with Turnbull left back, the draw at Blackburn springs to mind, KC has taken a very similar strategy recently utilising Goode at RB although arguably in the main we looked more of a threat under JFH before the wheels eventually fell off. Even JFH last season had patches where we were winning games - Bradford, MK - 3-4 games in a row and then it went wrong again. KC seems to be following the same path.

One of the biggest factors for me in deciding if KC stays or goes at the end of the season is S McWilliams, this year he appears to be going backwards and KC does not set up or play to support him. SW is clearly very talented and could be running our midfield and dominating the league as a complete box to box midfielder yet under KC I can't ssee this happening as if this does not improve I think we need to move on from KC.

Disagree. I don't think he is good enough, to run a midfield.  If he hadn't come from the academy no one would care as much.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: defender on April 02, 2019, 10:59:03 am
Overall he's done a reasonable job so far, but to be honest I was much happier a few weeks ago than I am now. He's started to praise the players for playing well and losing, as Dean Austin sometimes did and his match-to-match tinkering is almost at JFH levels. I understood this at first but he's had more than enough time now to make up his mind on players and is making too many changes from one game to the next. With 1 win in 10 games I would prefer my manager to be going all out for a result rather than constantly experimenting by changing half the team (often leaving out in-form players while he's at it).

             for me he is doing a good job, we are in a much better position than we have been for a long time


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on April 02, 2019, 11:08:46 am
Another meaningless, contradictory interview on utube this morning.
Pronouncing that he is spreading positivity after previously stating the players are not up to standard and canít be trusted .
The man is absolutely full of garbage .
He tries to come across as some kind of deep thinking mentor but just spouts nonsense .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 02, 2019, 11:47:05 am
Another meaningless, contradictory interview on utube this morning.
Pronouncing that he is spreading positivity after previously stating the players are not up to standard and canít be trusted .
The man is absolutely full of garbage .
He tries to come across as some kind of deep thinking mentor but just spouts nonsense .

Quite honestly B&S you speak a lot of nonsense against KC.  The fact is that many supporters where glad that KC spoke his mind on Saturday (as I was) about that disgraceful performance. If there is an opportunity to pronounce your self important message of spiteful tirade against KC you take it. It appears you have an obsessive opinion against KC to the extent you are unable now to offer any rational opinion. Even on here there is a difference between opinions and a mere rant.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 02, 2019, 12:01:29 pm
And the positives are? 

You don't know? 


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: wingman on April 02, 2019, 13:02:30 pm
Quote from KC,
"It has probably irked some of the players that they have been in at 9am every day this week and working long hours"
FFS, just wait until the precious little angels have to get a real job


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on April 02, 2019, 14:17:04 pm
Quite honestly B&S you speak a lot of nonsense against KC.  The fact is that many supporters where glad that KC spoke his mind on Saturday (as I was) about that disgraceful performance. If there is an opportunity to pronounce your self important message of spiteful tirade against KC you take it. It appears you have an obsessive opinion against KC to the extent you are unable now to offer any rational opinion. Even on here there is a difference between opinions and a mere rant.
The fact that you think I talk nonsense fills me with great satisfaction because if there is one person whoís views are pretty worthless on here , it would be yours Evers .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: the grumpy old man on April 02, 2019, 16:00:57 pm
Quote from KC,
"It has probably irked some of the players that they have been in at 9am every day this week and working long hours"
FFS, just wait until the precious little angels have to get a real job

9am seems a reasonable time to start work to me, most normal workers who are not on shifts are at work by then.
It makes you wonder what time training normally starts and how long it goes on for.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on April 02, 2019, 16:54:34 pm
It's normally late morning. Suits KC as well because he's coming from Sheffield.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: barton cobbler on April 02, 2019, 17:26:53 pm
I think the problem some people have after Saturday is not what KC said about the players, it's that he doesn't think that he might have contributed towards that overall display. Shifting the blame, whatever happened to "We win as a team and we lose as a team" ?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 02, 2019, 17:55:13 pm
I think the problem some people have after Saturday is not what KC said about the players, it's that he doesn't think that he might have contributed towards that overall display. Shifting the blame, whatever happened to "We win as a team and we lose as a team" ?

He can't win can he. If he's honest people say he shouldn't have said it but if he says nothing people will say why didn't he explain reasons behind that dreadful performance  ::)

He also said the players receive the correct information about the opposition and how they need to play to get a result during the week leading up to the game, so the manager has done all he can it's then up to the players once they cross that white line, they let him down badly and he's rightly let them know about it. 


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on April 02, 2019, 18:15:00 pm
He can't win can he. If he's honest people say he shouldn't have said it but if he says nothing people will say why didn't he explain reasons behind that dreadful performance  ::)

He also said the players receive the correct information about the opposition and how they need to play to get a result during the week leading up to the game, so the manager has done all he can it's then up to the players once they cross that white line, they let him down badly and he's rightly let them know about it. 

Just becuase KFC says somthing it dosnt make it true.  History tells you the mans a fraud. 



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 02, 2019, 18:31:10 pm
Just becuase KFC says somthing it dosnt make it true.  History tells you the mans a fraud. 



Please explain why?  Don't say because he hasn't won a promotion. JFH & Gary Johnson had won a promotion, did that help. The majority of managers haven't won a promotion (Calderwood before he was appointed).

    


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teyn and proud on April 02, 2019, 18:46:02 pm
I constantly read all the comments about players and managers (ex) and current ok KC might not be a pep or Klop but for Christ sake look at the players under numerous managers  with the exception of CW they have all failed get rid of the lot give KC the summer to recruit who he wants then judge him on the first dozen games or so because we all know he isnít going anywhere as we all well know the only thing to add is that I think weíll be shopping at Poundland not waitrose


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on April 02, 2019, 19:01:53 pm
Please explain why?  Don't say because he hasn't won a promotion. JFH & Gary Johnson had won a promotion, did that help. The majority of managers haven't won a promotion (Calderwood before he was appointed).

    

I dont like the man or his methods

Alot of people i have spoken to from his ex clubs tell a similar story.  Starts off ok,  but talks shat,  never takes responsibility and trys to talk like he is a football god, over complicates things and makes changes to try and look like a tatcial wizard.

and what has he really achieved in 400 plus games as a manager,  and dont tell me hes won a promotion.

Hes been sacked by several clubs for a reason. 

Comes across as a bitter man that he didnt earn the money as a player that players get now and will never be anything better than a L2 firefighter.

Ask yourself this,  if you won the lotto and bought out KT would you trust KFC with the keys to the vault ?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 02, 2019, 19:11:03 pm
I dont like the man or his methods

Alot of people i have spoken to from his ex clubs tell a similar story.  Starts off ok,  but talks shat,  never takes responsibility and trys to talk like he is a football god, over complicates things and makes changes to try and look like a tatcial wizard.

and what has he really achieved in 400 plus games as a manager,  and dont tell me hes won a promotion.

Hes been sacked by several clubs for a reason. 

Comes across as a bitter man that he didnt earn the money as a player that players get now and will never be anything better than a L2 firefighter.

Ask yourself this,  if you won the lotto and bought out KT would you trust KFC with the keys to the vault ?

Sacked by Mansfield for allegedly bullying a youth team player - cleared of this at a later date - win ratio 37.5% beat us in play-off semi-final.
Sacked by Notts County - win ratio 45.1%
At Carlisle for four and half years (not sacked) win ratio 38.2%

See my post re promotions, Johnson & JFH or Calderwood.     


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on April 02, 2019, 19:14:41 pm
Sacked by Mansfield for allegedly bullying a youth team player - cleared of this at a later date - win ratio 37.5% beat us in play-off semi-final.
Sacked by Notts County - win ratio 45.1%
At Carlisle for four and half years (not sacked) win ratio 38.2%

See my post re promotions, Johnson & JFH or Calderwood.     

SACKED


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teyn and proud on April 02, 2019, 19:16:50 pm
so whoís going to carry the can KT or the players


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 02, 2019, 19:18:47 pm
SACKED

Chris Wilder 48.4%
KC Notts County 45.1% - Bit harsh
Mansfield - Not for a results reason
Carlisle - NOT SACKED


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on April 02, 2019, 19:21:15 pm
Still got Sacked ... must be a reason why he keeps leaving jobs.

Like i said ... I dont like him or his methods for the reasons stated. 

Never achieved anything as a manager IMHO


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 02, 2019, 19:27:29 pm
Still got Sacked ... must be a reason why he keeps leaving jobs.

Like i said ... I dont like him or his methods for the reasons stated. 

Never achieved anything as a manager IMHO

Please tell me a manager that doesn't keep leaving jobs? Even the great CW left jobs to better himself. Just admit it, you don't like him and that's the only reason, nothing to do with his methods - unless you are watching training everyday.   


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: barton cobbler on April 02, 2019, 19:33:03 pm
so whoís going to carry the can KT or the players
Like I said, with good teams it's "Win as a team lose a team" , I really don't think that KC can wash his hands of that performance, he has to take some part of the blame. I think virtually everyone agreed that taking off Williams instead of the completely ineffective Sordell weakened the team.
      Whilst we are on the subject, can anyone remember a KC substitution that has made us look a better team ?
    


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on April 02, 2019, 19:36:08 pm
Please tell me a manager that doesn't keep leaving jobs? Even the great CW left jobs to better himself. Just admit it, you don't like him and that's the only reason, nothing to do with his methods - unless you are watching training everyday.   

Let's  flip this,  you tell me why u like him so much.

I said from the start i dont like him or his methods,  i dont need to watch training to come to that conclusion,  i just watch his teams play and listen to his interviews.... that's enough for me.

Maybe i just have higher standards / expectations.  


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teyn and proud on April 02, 2019, 19:41:17 pm
We all full weíll know he ainít going nowhere or is he ? 😡


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 02, 2019, 19:50:05 pm
Let's  flip this,  you tell me why u like him so much.

I said from the start i dont like him or his methods,  i dont need to watch training to come to that conclusion,  i just watch his teams play and listen to his interviews.... that's enough for me.

Maybe i just have higher standards / expectations.  

I'm still very much open minded and undecided. I don't like the football but he's got us out of trouble and deserves at least the summer and start of next season to build his team. He's explained the reasons why he's had to play ugly and you would hope that next season the football will be more pleasing on the eye. I think it's too early to make any decisions, come back to me after 10-12 games next season.   


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on April 02, 2019, 19:52:00 pm
I'm still very much open minded and undecided. I don't like the football but he's got us out of trouble and deserves at least the summer and start of next season to build his team. He's explained the reasons why he's had to play ugly and you would hope that next season the football will be more pleasing on the eye. I think it's too early to make any decisions, come back to me after 10-12 games next season.   

Fair play,  respect your opinion.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 02, 2019, 20:02:31 pm
Fair play,  respect your opinion.

Cheers mate.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Zen Master on April 02, 2019, 20:27:01 pm
When he got the job if heíd said ďweíre in the sh1t and Iím going to get us out of it. Itís not going to be pretty but itíll be largely effectiveĒ Iíd have taken that.

If heíd said ďitís unlikely that Iíll be allowed to operate on this budget and Iím going to have to get rid of the higher earnersĒ Iíd have taken that if heíd achieved the first part.

If he said ď this squad has no pace, no creativity and some of the squad are still overpaid compared to what I know I can get in for less in the summer and thatíll keep the chairman happyĒ Iíd accept that.

If heíd said that with 8 games to go weíd still have been in with an outside chance of a play off spot Iíd have bitten your hand off a few months ago.

Anything after the end of the season is when his real test of management will be. That isnít to say Iím enjoying things currently as Iím not.
 With the offer of contracts for the yoof how many of them have signed?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 02, 2019, 20:32:10 pm
Like I said, with good teams it's "Win as a team lose a team" , I really don't think that KC can wash his hands of that performance, he has to take some part of the blame. I think virtually everyone agreed that taking off Williams instead of the completely ineffective Sordell weakened the team.
      Whilst we are on the subject, can anyone remember a KC substitution that has made us look a better team ?
    

How can you blame a manager for players kicking the ball out of play under no pressure in their own half? How can you blame a manager for a player receiving a pass and it bouncing off his foot and going out of play under little or no pressure? KCís tactics may have been to blame in previous games but Saturdayís performance has very little to do with him. Itís about time this useless bunch take accountability for their incompetence. Thereís no tactic/strategy in world football that is successfully implemented on the basis that players are not able to pass to each other from ten yards away.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: barton cobbler on April 02, 2019, 20:53:06 pm
How can you blame a manager for players kicking the ball out of play under no pressure in their own half? How can you blame a manager for a player receiving a pass and it bouncing off his foot and going out of play under little or no pressure? KCís tactics may have been to blame in previous games but Saturdayís performance has very little to do with him. Itís about time this useless bunch take accountability for their incompetence. Thereís no tactic/strategy in world football that is successfully implemented on the basis that players are not able to pass to each other from ten yards away.
So you think it was the correct move to take off Williams and leave Sordell on ? If not, you are agreeing that KC weakened the team and contributed to the defeat.
    I agree that most of the p*ss poor performance was down to the players, all I'm saying is that SOME of the blame must lie with KC, otherwise why bother having a manager at all?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 02, 2019, 20:57:46 pm
So you think it was the correct move to take off Williams and leave Sordell on ? If not, you are agreeing that KC weakened the team and contributed to the defeat.
    I agree that most of the p*ss poor performance was down to the players, all I'm saying is that SOME of the blame must lie with KC, otherwise why bother having a manager at all?

We don't know who the player was who complained of fatigue at half time. It could have been Williams and that's the reason he was substituted.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Another Pedj on April 02, 2019, 20:59:54 pm
The strong suggestion was that ir was Sean.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 02, 2019, 21:55:27 pm
The strong suggestion was that ir was Sean.

If it was McWilliams that he was referring to then itís more than a bit unfair given that it was his first match back for a while (he didnít really look right in the first half) and he subsequently picked up a tweak to his hamstring. I just assumed that he was alluding to Williams which would have explained the odd substitution, in retrospect if he wasnít going to name names then he would have been better off saying nothing at all. I wonder what kind of impact something like that will have on the dressing room.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 02, 2019, 22:25:35 pm
Like I said, with good teams it's "Win as a team lose a team" , I really don't think that KC can wash his hands of that performance, he has to take some part of the blame. I think virtually everyone agreed that taking off Williams instead of the completely ineffective Sordell weakened the team.
      Whilst we are on the subject, can anyone remember a KC substitution that has made us look a better team ?
    

I am surprised at your one way opinion of KC. No lateral thinking with you; same as with Cornell! My immediate impression after that game was that the players were largely responsible for the poor showing. The substitutions were largely irrelevant but the substitution of Williams in lieu of Sordell was questionable.  However Williams was not playing very well so perhaps a mute point on that substitution!



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 02, 2019, 22:30:15 pm
I actually quite like KC and some of his quirky interviews and thought provoking quotes.. He's here next season whatever so we may as well back him, after all, we all want the same thing. Whether he can deliver it will depend on his recruitment which will largely be dictated by the budget set by KT. The squad is chronically short of pace, creativity, ball players and goals. There's a lot to sort out but let's give him the chance.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 02, 2019, 22:45:22 pm
The fact that you think I talk nonsense fills me with great satisfaction because if there is one person whoís views are pretty worthless on here , it would be yours Evers .

Your response is typical! I only applied 'nonsense' against your obsessive tirade against KC. You do speak a lot of nonsense about KC; almost a blinkered biased view point ::)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 02, 2019, 22:53:36 pm
How can you blame a manager for players kicking the ball out of play under no pressure in their own half? How can you blame a manager for a player receiving a pass and it bouncing off his foot and going out of play under little or no pressure? KCís tactics may have been to blame in previous games but Saturdayís performance has very little to do with him. Itís about time this useless bunch take accountability for their incompetence. Thereís no tactic/strategy in world football that is successfully implemented on the basis that players are not able to pass to each other from ten yards away.

So you're telling me KC is not telling the defenders to hoof it long at every given opportunity???

Because I've seen 3 of the last 4 games and it seems to be a common denominator between games!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 02, 2019, 22:55:14 pm
Your response is typical! I only applied 'nonsense' against your obsessive tirade against KC. You do speak a lot of nonsense about KC; almost a blinkered biased view point ::)

What because someone else's opinion differs from yours - Grow up Nevers your absolute feckwit!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 02, 2019, 22:56:35 pm
We don't know who the player was who complained of fatigue at half time. It could have been Williams and that's the reason he was substituted.

He's done it before TP - so has form


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 02, 2019, 22:57:07 pm
So you think it was the correct move to take off Williams and leave Sordell on ? If not, you are agreeing that KC weakened the team and contributed to the defeat.
    I agree that most of the p*ss poor performance was down to the players, all I'm saying is that SOME of the blame must lie with KC, otherwise why bother having a manager at all?

We were playing rubbish before and after Williams came off. Donít act as if one substitution changed the course of the game. Williams offered no threat whatsoever all game.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 02, 2019, 22:58:18 pm
What because someone else's opinion differs from yours - Grow up Nevers your absolute feckwit!

You do know the difference between opinion and a rant?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 02, 2019, 23:02:21 pm
We were playing rubbish before and after Williams came off. Donít act as if one substitution changed the course of the game. Williams offered no threat whatsoever all game.

quite right


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 02, 2019, 23:05:36 pm
So you're telling me KC is not telling the defenders to hoof it long at every given opportunity???

Because I've seen 3 of the last 4 games and it seems to be a common denominator between games!

Theyíre not good enough to do anything else. They tried to play football for the first ten games and got 7 points as a result. I said it all summer and Iíll say it again, the squad is technically very poor. If I turn up to work and canít even type a letter without it being riddled with errors I donít expect my boss to take the blame. As a professional there is a minimum level of competence that must be reached. The players did not reach that minimum level on Saturday. I cannot blame the manager for that.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 02, 2019, 23:11:11 pm
So you're telling me KC is not telling the defenders to hoof it long at every given opportunity???

Because I've seen 3 of the last 4 games and it seems to be a common denominator between games!

Its his opinion - please respect it ::). So you know the Managers tactics - I have seen them play a disciplined game at Crewe and Stevenage so I think you assumption is wrong.  You never went to 3 games on the trot ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: barton cobbler on April 02, 2019, 23:55:07 pm
We were playing rubbish before and after Williams came off. Donít act as if one substitution changed the course of the game. Williams offered no threat whatsoever all game.
OK, answer Yes or No, did you think that Williams deserved to come of and Sordell to stay on?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest3245 on April 03, 2019, 02:08:54 am
Curley Cobblers is the man for the job at Sixfields.

It is more a question of how many wasters there are at the club, pinching a wage..... ?????

I can see Pierre off to a Div 1 / Championship club in the close-season.

The rest are either on their way down to the Conference, or will scam their wages off another Div2 failure.

Let's get rid of the lot - including all those fans' favourites.

12 out the door, 5 decent signings; and with the young professionals, we have the makings of a decent set-up.

Curley-Cobblers knows who can play football (ie, those that treat the ball with respect - that football.... a loving friend, who needs caressing and keeping within the family).

For those who are already calling for his head.  May yours be on a spike outside Sixfields next season.  And, if they are, I will spit on them.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boring Bar Steward on April 03, 2019, 06:31:32 am
One good thing to come out of SEVEN of the youth players signing is that KC must think they are footballers and not hoof ball players like most of the squad currently.

Maybe a brighter footballing future?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Zen Master on April 03, 2019, 06:53:00 am
I thought that the recent crop were offered contracts. Hopefully it means theyíll sign them but hadnít seen that bit yet.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 03, 2019, 07:08:06 am
OK, answer Yes or No, did you think that Williams deserved to come of and Sordell to stay on?

Neither deserved to stay on as they were both playing poorly. Neither could complain about being subbed.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on April 03, 2019, 09:51:11 am
We were playing rubbish before and after Williams came off. Donít act as if one substitution changed the course of the game. Williams offered no threat whatsoever all game.
Apart from working his nuts off the win the ball back which led to their player getting sent off


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Buster on April 03, 2019, 10:19:05 am
One good thing to come out of SEVEN of the youth players signing is that KC must think they are footballers and not hoof ball players like most of the squad currently.

Maybe a brighter footballing future?

I admire your optimism however I think the promotion of seven youth team players to the first team is more an indication of the much smaller playing budget weíll have next season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: The Rauldinho on April 03, 2019, 11:21:00 am
Apart from working his nuts off the win the ball back which led to their player getting sent off

Yeah, he cost us the game by doing this as we were fine playing against eleven!  ;D

Willo's work rate was causing them problems and forcing mistakes at the back, and despite the "pedigree" of Sordell at least Willo has put some chances away for us.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on April 03, 2019, 11:41:44 am
One good thing to come out of SEVEN of the youth players signing is that KC must think they are footballers and not hoof ball players like most of the squad currently.

Maybe a brighter footballing future?
Hope we make the most of it. These sort of opportunities don't come along very often, even though improvements have been made in the academy in recent years. It's very unusual to have seven in one year and it could have been more.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on April 03, 2019, 12:33:40 pm
Hope we make the most of it. These sort of opportunities don't come along very often, even though improvements have been made in the academy in recent years. It's very unusual to have seven in one year and it could have been more.
I really hope its ability rather than financial. From what I've seen they are miles off hacking it in a very physical league


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Zen Master on April 03, 2019, 13:25:56 pm
You win nothing with kids


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 03, 2019, 13:34:27 pm
Apart from working his nuts off the win the ball back which led to their player getting sent off

Oh wow, a footballer chases a ball. Sordell played the clever pass through to Bridge when he should have put us two nil up. One good moment doesnít mean they had a good game. Neither played well, neither can complain about being pulled off.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: CobblerForever on April 03, 2019, 13:55:45 pm
Curley Cobblers is the man for the job at Sixfields.

It is more a question of how many wasters there are at the club, pinching a wage..... ?????

I can see Pierre off to a Div 1 / Championship club in the close-season.

The rest are either on their way down to the Conference, or will scam their wages off another Div2 failure.

Let's get rid of the lot - including all those fans' favourites.

12 out the door, 5 decent signings; and with the young professionals, we have the makings of a decent set-up.

Curley-Cobblers knows who can play football (ie, those that treat the ball with respect - that football.... a loving friend, who needs caressing and keeping within the family).

For those who are already calling for his head.  May yours be on a spike outside Sixfields next season.  And, if they are, I will spit on them.



Turnbull and Pierre - both very good players at our level and the former can play in front of the defence, as a central defender and as a Left Back. He's the right age and a distinct asset.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on April 03, 2019, 14:11:38 pm
Oh wow, a footballer chases a ball. Sordell played the clever pass through to Bridge when he should have put us two nil up. One good moment doesnít mean they had a good game. Neither played well, neither can complain about being pulled off.
Wow, there's me thinking you said "Williams offered no threat whatsoever all game" He was clean through on goal, I don't suppose that counts as a threat?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 03, 2019, 14:19:47 pm
Wow, there's me thinking you said "Williams offered no threat whatsoever all game" He was clean through on goal, I don't suppose that counts as a threat?

Give over, he was about 35 yards from goal. If you honestly sat and watched the game and believe he threatened the opposition on Saturday then good luck to you.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on April 03, 2019, 14:56:42 pm
Give over, he was about 35 yards from goal. If you honestly sat and watched the game and believe he threatened the opposition on Saturday then good luck to you.
Well the ref did, he sent their player off for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 03, 2019, 17:45:39 pm
Well the ref did, he sent their player off for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity  ;D

Are you suggesting KC should have kept him on because the ref thought he was a threat? Surely not  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on April 03, 2019, 17:52:12 pm
Curle was clearly playing the "long game" at the expense of the short term.   He is leaving Williams in no doubt that he must move on in the summer by continually pulling him off  :o :o

Either that or we are getting paid to play Sordell,  be interesting  to see what minutes of the games he has started that he gets subbed



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on April 03, 2019, 19:16:00 pm
Are you suggesting KC should have kept him on because the ref thought he was a threat? Surely not  ;D
I never once discussed whether he should stay on. You mentioned he wasnít a threat when he quite clearly was. If you continue with this youíll be daft as well as crazy


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 03, 2019, 20:10:41 pm
Mentioned it a few times; I really don't understand why people are concerned about his preferred style of play, citing boring football for the reason of not liking him.

His style of football at previous clubs he's managed has been expansive.

When he did get us (briefly) playing out from the back (remember those handful of games) it all went wrong. Very wrong.

The players we have...are all 'industrial' types. Not creative/flair players. We are excellent at set pieces, top scorers in league2 from corners. Which in itself suggests where the 'strengths' of this currently lot lay.

The odd player we have whom could be deemed a flair player, are mainly rubbish at worst or inconsistent at best. Powell, Bowdith. Im struggling beyond those two, unless you add timmy Mallet (who I think Id prefer than the Timi we have) or Powell (loanee) to the pot...the latter is clearly very talented but only in glimpses. Thus far.

On Saturday, again it was a mental breakdown. A man gets sent off...we think we've won it. Opposition dig in, get a quick goal to equalise, tails go back up, probably heard the half time scores with Notts County and co winning, came out all fired up. We didn't.

The subs. I understood bringing another midfielder on, exactly the reasons I thought at the time which were also explained the other day in his interview. Williams v Sordell...I didn't get that. I booed it in fact, such was my frustration. But I do see things a bit more objectively afterwards. Its the first sub I've booed that he's made, should have been Constantine (sorry Sordell) who came off.

What I will say though, is that we were sh1te before the subs, and I don't think it would have made a jot of difference. Those 10 minutes after half time, they got behind us on at least 3 or 4 occasions. We were on the ropes. My annoyance was more about the overall performance, and taking our top scoring player off and leaving Constantine the 2nd on the pitch smacked of 'Im favouring my own signing'.

Final point, and someone made it on this thread. Perhaps he's playing the long game. Hadn't thought of that. Would I keep Williams next season? Would I heck! He's 33 odd, a journeyman of the lower leagues, bog standard 4th division striker. Probably on good money as well. Id definitely be looking to move him on if possible, he'd do a fine job for a national league club with ambitions to get into the football league. We might have to help out with the wages but even so, I hope he's moved on.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 03, 2019, 20:15:55 pm
I never once discussed whether he should stay on. You mentioned he wasnít a threat when he quite clearly was. If you continue with this youíll be daft as well as crazy

Ironically, it looks like your definition of Ďthreatí is unclear. Weíre obviously going to have to agree to disagree on whether he was a threat. Ultimately, the overriding point throughout the thread which you conveniently do not wish to discuss is the impact (if any) the substitution had on the game. Your silence on this point is somewhat confusing given youíve had so much to say on the semantics behind the word Ďthreatí  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on April 03, 2019, 21:28:26 pm
Id love to see who folk think Curle will bring in the replace Williams who is a player with over 100 goals to his name.Im glad you lot have confidence in Curle putting together a squad for next season, especially when he thinks sam Hoskins is worthy of a start every week  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on April 03, 2019, 21:48:49 pm
Id love to see who folk think Curle will bring in the replace Williams who is a player with over 100 goals to his name.Im glad you lot have confidence in Curle putting together a squad for next season, especially when he thinks sam Hoskins is worthy of a start every week  ;D ;D

I Hope you find the answer in here

https://footballfragmento.wordpress.com/2019/02/21/feb-2019-league-two-players-out-of-contract-summer-2019/


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 03, 2019, 22:01:16 pm
I Hope you find the answer in here

https://footballfragmento.wordpress.com/2019/02/21/feb-2019-league-two-players-out-of-contract-summer-2019/

Thanks for posting that mate - Exeter and mk dons have got a lot of decent players out of contract in the summer. I suspect that some of the names on the Carlisle list might be heavily linked with us.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 03, 2019, 22:03:05 pm
Id love to see who folk think Curle will bring in the replace Williams who is a player with over 100 goals to his name.Im glad you lot have confidence in Curle putting together a squad for next season, especially when he thinks sam Hoskins is worthy of a start every week  ;D ;D

On that logic we shouldnít have trusted Wilder. After all he signed Hoskins...


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 03, 2019, 22:12:22 pm
Thanks for posting that mate - Exeter and mk dons have got a lot of decent players out of contract in the summer. I suspect that some of the names on the Carlisle list might be heavily linked with us.

Not being funny but unless they are released who is going to want to leave Exeter or MK and come here, especially with us trimming budgets.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 03, 2019, 22:15:24 pm
On that logic we shouldnít have trusted Wilder. After all he signed Hoskins...

And of the players Curle has bought in who has actually improved us???

The only one you could argue might be Goode, but I'm not convinced on him either particularly either.

Yes, it's the January market which is not easy, but even in that first season Wilder bought players in that improved us.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 03, 2019, 22:26:11 pm
And of the players Curle has bought in who has actually improved us???

The only one you could argue might be Goode, but I'm not convinced on him either particularly either.

Yes, it's the January market which is not easy, but even in that first season Wilder bought players in that improved us.

Oh come on get real, heís had one January window. Give him the summer window at least before you judge his recruitment ability. I accept that the January loanees havenít really improved us but people (not necessarily you personally) saying his recruitment is untrustworthy based on one January window is a bit ridiculous.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 03, 2019, 22:36:06 pm
Oh come on get real, heís had one January window. Give him the summer window at least before you judge his recruitment ability. I accept that the January loanees havenít really improved us but people (not necessarily you personally) saying his recruitment is untrustworthy based on one January window is a bit ridiculous.

I think itís blatantly obvious that a lot on here have already made up their mind about KC for whatever reason and nothing that happens now will change that. Also for Glasto, I didnít state that any of the out of contract players at Exeter or mk dons would be likely to come to us in the summer - I just commented that a lot of their best players may be leaving, it might be an idea to read posts before spinning them to suit your agenda.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 03, 2019, 22:36:15 pm
Mentioned it a few times; I really don't understand why people are concerned about his preferred style of play, citing boring football for the reason of not liking him.

His style of football at previous clubs he's managed has been expansive.

When he did get us (briefly) playing out from the back (remember those handful of games) it all went wrong. Very wrong.

The players we have...are all 'industrial' types. Not creative/flair players. We are excellent at set pieces, top scorers in league2 from corners. Which in itself suggests where the 'strengths' of this currently lot lay.

The odd player we have whom could be deemed a flair player, are mainly rubbish at worst or inconsistent at best. Powell, Bowdith. Im struggling beyond those two, unless you add timmy Mallet (who I think Id prefer than the Timi we have) or Powell (loanee) to the pot...the latter is clearly very talented but only in glimpses. Thus far.

On Saturday, again it was a mental breakdown. A man gets sent off...we think we've won it. Opposition dig in, get a quick goal to equalise, tails go back up, probably heard the half time scores with Notts County and co winning, came out all fired up. We didn't.

The subs. I understood bringing another midfielder on, exactly the reasons I thought at the time which were also explained the other day in his interview. Williams v Sordell...I didn't get that. I booed it in fact, such was my frustration. But I do see things a bit more objectively afterwards. Its the first sub I've booed that he's made, should have been Constantine (sorry Sordell) who came off.

What I will say though, is that we were sh1te before the subs, and I don't think it would have made a jot of difference. Those 10 minutes after half time, they got behind us on at least 3 or 4 occasions. We were on the ropes. My annoyance was more about the overall performance, and taking our top scoring player off and leaving Constantine the 2nd on the pitch smacked of 'Im favouring my own signing'.

Final point, and someone made it on this thread. Perhaps he's playing the long game. Hadn't thought of that. Would I keep Williams next season? Would I heck! He's 33 odd, a journeyman of the lower leagues, bog standard 4th division striker. Probably on good money as well. Id definitely be looking to move him on if possible, he'd do a fine job for a national league club with ambitions to get into the football league. We might have to help out with the wages but even so, I hope he's moved on.



That's rubbish in many respects because the football curle played when he first came in was far superior to the lump it as far forward as you can and chase it that we have experienced over the last few weeks. The style of play is only bearable if you are picking up positive results, when you get that style of football and you are losing games too it becomes intolerable.

Its also not true about style of football at other clubs - I can remember a lot of Carlisle fans (one of whom came on here talking about his turgid negative style of play), again it's alright playing that way if you get results.

Yes Williams is not getting any younger, but he is and always has been a 15-20 goal scoring a year striker at this level (So long as you are giving him a chance by creating something for him) - Those are not that easy to find. I believe Curle will get rid because for some reason he doesn't seem to like him. I just hope we don't end up with a Sordell / Hallam Hope type as replacement as that is the way I see Curle possibly going.

Look I hope I'm wrong - I just don't see Curle being the man to take us forward (if we are thinking to look play offs and beyond next year)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 03, 2019, 22:41:54 pm
Oh come on get real, heís had one January window. Give him the summer window at least before you judge his recruitment ability. I accept that the January loanees havenít really improved us but people (not necessarily you personally) saying his recruitment is untrustworthy based on one January window is a bit ridiculous.

That's all well and good, but you can only judge him on what you see in front of you - The January window is difficult, yes we are reducing the budget so all that needs to be taken into account - But as others have said if he's going to bring in youngsters and players from other clubs that he then doesn't deem good enough to play and don't seem to improve us in any way then he may us well just give our young lads a game, at least you know they will play for the badge


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 03, 2019, 22:51:20 pm
That's all well and good, but you can only judge him on what you see in front of you - The January window is difficult, yes we are reducing the budget so all that needs to be taken into account - But as others have said if he's going to bring in youngsters and players from other clubs that he then doesn't deem good enough to play and don't seem to improve us in any way then he may us well just give our young lads a game, at least you know they will play for the badge

Or you can be sensible and reserve judgement until youíve seen him have a full summer window.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 03, 2019, 22:55:00 pm
That's rubbish in many respects because the football curle played when he first came in was far superior to the lump it as far forward as you can and chase it that we have experienced over the last few weeks. The style of play is only bearable if you are picking up positive results, when you get that style of football and you are losing games too it becomes intolerable.

Its also not true about style of football at other clubs - I can remember a lot of Carlisle fans (one of whom came on here talking about his turgid negative style of play), again it's alright playing that way if you get results.

Yes Williams is not getting any younger, but he is and always has been a 15-20 goal scoring a year striker at this level (So long as you are giving him a chance by creating something for him) - Those are not that easy to find. I believe Curle will get rid because for some reason he doesn't seem to like him. I just hope we don't end up with a Sordell / Hallam Hope type as replacement as that is the way I see Curle possibly going.

Look I hope I'm wrong - I just don't see Curle being the man to take us forward (if we are thinking to look play offs and beyond next year)

What on earth are you talking about, Andy Williams has scored 15+ goals in a season three times in his 15 year career  ???


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on April 04, 2019, 09:16:39 am
What on earth are you talking about, Andy Williams has scored 15+ goals in a season three times in his 15 year career  ???
And how many times for Hoskins? The man Curle always plays and leaves on the pitch.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 04, 2019, 09:34:40 am
Id love to see who folk think Curle will bring in the replace Williams who is a player with over 100 goals to his name.Im glad you lot have confidence in Curle putting together a squad for next season, especially when he thinks sam Hoskins is worthy of a start every week  ;D ;D

Every manager over the past few years have played Hoskins; are they all wrong and you right? You have a biased opinion on KC most of the time!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: barton cobbler on April 04, 2019, 10:22:33 am

Every manager over the past few years have played Hoskins; are they all wrong and you right? You have a biased opinion on KC most of the time!
Evers, if someone has a different view to you, it doesn't always mean they are biased, it just means they have a different view. I know you struggle with this but, when someone posts something you don't agree with, don't come back with accusations of an agender and biased, not everyone is like that.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 04, 2019, 12:15:07 pm
And how many times for Hoskins? The man Curle always plays and leaves on the pitch.

Iíve never said Hoskins is a good player. Iím simply confused as to how the poster reached the conclusion that Williams Ďis and has always been a 15-20 goal a season playerí. As youíve responded, maybe  you could shed some light?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on April 04, 2019, 12:30:18 pm
Iíve never said Hoskins is a good player. Iím simply confused as to how the poster reached the conclusion that Williams Ďis and has always been a 15-20 goal a season playerí. As youíve responded, maybe  you could shed some light?
Heís scored 114 goals in 334 games which is a goal every 2 and a bit games, the reference I made to that useless little fcuker Hoskins is because this thread is about KC and his decision making.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 04, 2019, 12:34:26 pm
Heís scored 114 goals in 334 games which is a goal every 2 and a bit games, the reference I made to that useless little fcuker Hoskins is because this thread is about KC and his decision making.



Thatís utter rubbish. Heís scored 114 goals in close to 500 games. Do proper research before you spout out nonsense. He had a couple of prolific seasons and thatís it.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: threeinabed on April 04, 2019, 14:01:41 pm
Thatís utter rubbish. Heís scored 114 goals in close to 500 games. Do proper research before you spout out nonsense. He had a couple of prolific seasons and thatís it.

you can win any argument with facts! but they arent welcome on here - we only deal in made up opinions based on our own made up statistics.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 04, 2019, 15:25:36 pm
you can win any argument with facts! but they arent welcome on here - we only deal in made up opinions based on our own made up statistics.


Iíve noticed!  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Trickymicky on April 04, 2019, 19:46:50 pm
Heís scored 114 goals in 334 games which is a goal every 2 and a bit games, the reference I made to that useless little fcuker Hoskins is because this thread is about KC and his decision making.



Just read an article in the Chronicle that Hoskins canít understand his inability to string together consistent performances, well I think he does just that every week, he consistently canít beat the last man, canít cross the ball and canít shoot but always runs around like a headless chicken.  We are always down to a team of 10 with him on the field, donít know why he has a gold card for selection game after game, I hope he moves on in the summer!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on April 04, 2019, 20:52:34 pm
Oh come on get real, heís had one January window. Give him the summer window at least before you judge his recruitment ability. I accept that the January loanees havenít really improved us but people (not necessarily you personally) saying his recruitment is untrustworthy based on one January window is a bit ridiculous.
Hes had endless transfer windows with all of his clubs and not produced a promotion winning team, you all expect him to bring one in during the summer on a reduced budget., Good luck with that


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on April 04, 2019, 21:00:13 pm
Evers, if someone has a different view to you, it doesn't always mean they are biased, it just means they have a different view. I know you struggle with this but, when someone posts something you don't agree with, don't come back with accusations of an agender and biased, not everyone is like that.

I take no notice of that idiots responses now Roger, I treat them with the contempt they deserve , this board would be a far better forum without him/her


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on April 04, 2019, 21:06:33 pm
Thatís utter rubbish. Heís scored 114 goals in close to 500 games. Do proper research before you spout out nonsense. He had a couple of prolific seasons and thatís it.

114 goals in 334 STARTS. I suppose you lot count 5 -10 mins a GAME yeah ?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 04, 2019, 21:41:45 pm
Evers, if someone has a different view to you, it doesn't always mean they are biased, it just means they have a different view. I know you struggle with this but, when someone posts something you don't agree with, don't come back with accusations of an agender and biased, not everyone is like that.

Its my opinion that's all. I have no idea why you chose to intervene in a patronizing manner when my comments are free from insults . In my opinion Grove seems to have a biased opinion on KC. Whats an agender by the way?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 04, 2019, 21:44:01 pm
I take no notice of that idiots responses now Roger, I treat them with the contempt they deserve , this board would be a far better forum without him/her

Thanks Grove ::)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 04, 2019, 22:35:20 pm
Hes had endless transfer windows with all of his clubs and not produced a promotion winning team, you all expect him to bring one in during the summer on a reduced budget., Good luck with that

Exactly this Grove - History says he is a bog standard middle to bottom end league 2 manager, who's teams fans generally have been more than happy to see the back of at the end of his tenure, never been promoted - reduced budget, It's going to be another long season IMO


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 04, 2019, 22:37:51 pm
114 goals in 334 STARTS. I suppose you lot count 5 -10 mins a GAME yeah ?

So on that logic the goals that he scored after coming on as a sub shouldnít count then?  ???


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 04, 2019, 22:39:51 pm
Hes had endless transfer windows with all of his clubs and not produced a promotion winning team, you all expect him to bring one in during the summer on a reduced budget., Good luck with that

Wilder had failed at oxford before he came here. Yes he won promotion from the conference (with probably the biggest club in the league by far) but he couldnít get them out of league two after more than one attempt. Donít be so quick to judge.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 04, 2019, 22:42:07 pm
Exactly this Grove - History says he is a bog standard middle to bottom end league 2 manager, who's teams fans generally have been more than happy to see the back of at the end of his tenure, never been promoted - reduced budget, It's going to be another long season IMO

When wilder came history said heíd struggle to win promotion from league two. History said Gary Johnson would be a success. Nothing is guaranteed in football, all Iím saying is donít be so quick to write him off. Give him time and a full summer window.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 04, 2019, 22:44:00 pm
So on that logic the goals that he scored after coming on as a sub shouldnít count then?  ???

You can twist "facts" to suit your argument either way.

What I would say is lots including me thought when marquis and Collins left us it would be easy to find better and we did not, that was not on reduced budget.

I've said it before and I'll say it again Williams is a natural finisher and goal scorer and if you create chances he will score goals. On a reduced budget next year I cannot see we will find better, but happy to be proved wrong - but I have no faith in Curle and would fully expect a Sordell or Hallam Hope type to be signed which would be a downgrade



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 04, 2019, 22:46:02 pm
Exactly this Grove - History says he is a bog standard middle to bottom end league 2 manager, who's teams fans generally have been more than happy to see the back of at the end of his tenure, never been promoted - reduced budget, It's going to be another long season IMO

Give me strength - give the bloke a chance! He has got us out of one hole to an outside chance of a tilt at the play offs. What more do you want?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 04, 2019, 22:48:30 pm
When wilder came history said heíd struggle to win promotion from league two. History said Gary Johnson would be a success. Nothing is guaranteed in football, all Iím saying is donít be so quick to write him off. Give him time and a full summer window.


You mean apart from the promotions Wilder had with both Halifax and Oxford????

We will have to give him time, as KT is not going to sack him - so your right in the fact we may as well get behind him, that doesn't mean i'm optimistic either from what he's bought in so far or how he has operated both on the field and in interview and what history says resultswise and other teams fans.

Time will tell I guess and I hope you are right


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 04, 2019, 22:50:47 pm
You can twist "facts" to suit your argument either way.

What I would say is lots including me thought when marquis and Collins left us it would be easy to find better and we did not, that was not on reduced budget.

I've said it before and I'll say it again Williams is a natural finisher and goal scorer and if you create chances he will score goals. On a reduced budget next year I cannot see we will find better, but happy to be proved wrong - but I have no faith in Curle and would fully expect a Sordell or Hallam Hope type to be signed which would be a downgrade



I think it is you twisting the facts. You stated he is and always has been a 15-20 goal a season player. Opinion doesnít even come into that, itís just completely false.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 04, 2019, 22:52:57 pm
You can twist "facts" to suit your argument either way.

What I would say is lots including me thought when marquis and Collins left us it would be easy to find better and we did not, that was not on reduced budget.

I've said it before and I'll say it again Williams is a natural finisher and goal scorer and if you create chances he will score goals. On a reduced budget next year I cannot see we will find better, but happy to be proved wrong - but I have no faith in Curle and would fully expect a Sordell or Hallam Hope type to be signed which would be a downgrade


I liked Marquis and he wanted to join us! Shrewsbury fans not sorry to see Collins go. If Sordell makes the grade I will be surprised. Do not let hindsight influence our judgement ;)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 04, 2019, 22:53:24 pm
You mean apart from the promotions Wilder had with both Halifax and Oxford????

We will have to give him time, as KT is not going to sack him - so your right in the fact we may as well get behind him, that doesn't mean i'm optimistic either from what he's bought in so far or how he has operated both on the field and in interview and what history says resultswise and other teams fans.

Time will tell I guess and I hope you are right

Just like Curle, he had done nothing at this level before joining us after being at one of the bigger clubs in the division.

Anyway as you said youíre entitled to your opinion. I personally think itís slightly baseless but letís all hope youíre wrong this time next year.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 04, 2019, 22:54:27 pm
Wilder had failed at oxford before he came here. Yes he won promotion from the conference (with probably the biggest club in the league by far) but he couldnít get them out of league two after more than one attempt. Donít be so quick to judge.

He hadn't failed - he'd just missed out on the play offs!

I think I'm correct in saying Curle has only made the play offs once - And didn't make the final and never been promoted from any level.

Look to Wilder appointment was left field - but even in the early days Wilder bought in players that improved us - he wanted to play a certain way to get us save so bought in players that were effective in doing that (Taylor, Langmead etc), yes it wasn't free flowing football that we enjoyed later on, but he knew what he wanted/had to do and bought in players to do it.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 04, 2019, 22:59:43 pm
I think it is you twisting the facts. You stated he is and always has been a 15-20 goal a season player. Opinion doesnít even come into that, itís just completely false.

You mean the same Andy Williams that scored 33 goals for Swindon in League One across 2 seasons a couple of years back??  ;)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 04, 2019, 23:04:16 pm
Just like Curle, he had done nothing at this level before joining us after being at one of the bigger clubs in the division.

Anyway as you said youíre entitled to your opinion. I personally think itís slightly baseless but letís all hope youíre wrong this time next year.

I really hope your right - I can't agree that my thoughts are baseless (as actually it's based on a number of facts and history)

But we both agree that Curle is here to stay (unless we are taken over), so we may as well get behind him and hope your right and I'm wrong and we are not here again next year!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 04, 2019, 23:08:54 pm
You mean the same Andy Williams that scored 33 goals for Swindon in League One across 2 seasons a couple of years back??  ;)

You said heís always been a 15-20 goals a season player. Stop back tracking and just admit you didnít do your research   ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on April 05, 2019, 07:13:33 am

I think I'm correct in saying Curle has only made the play offs once - And didn't make the final


If only that was true .... Think about it  :-[


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 05, 2019, 08:24:20 am

I think I'm correct in saying Curle has only made the play offs once - And didn't make the final


Do you do any research before you make your fabricated statements with such confidence?  ???


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on April 05, 2019, 10:53:29 am
Who would be a manager? KC has been tougher on the players this week and some really resent him for it. When players are looking towards the exit door with a few games to go, it's near impossible to change this mindset. KC is at times, contradictory, and sometimes muddled in his explanations but deserves the chance to be judged on his own squad. His recent record justifies that.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 06, 2019, 19:35:59 pm
My view on Keith Curle is........call for Kevin Wilkin!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 06, 2019, 19:48:58 pm
My view on Keith Curle is........call for Kevin Wilkin!

Now you are having a laugh. Give it 6 weeks into next season and some will want him gone like all the others.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dr Feelgood on April 06, 2019, 19:51:24 pm
Could be time to get Sammo back


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: SadOldGit on April 06, 2019, 19:56:04 pm
Terry Fenwick.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 06, 2019, 20:13:00 pm
My view on Keith Curle is........call for Kevin Wilkin!

Presumably you are joking?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Tabasco Kid on April 06, 2019, 20:15:56 pm
My view on Keith Curle is........call for Kevin Wilkin!
He did a decent job.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 06, 2019, 20:21:15 pm
He did a decent job.

He's talking about the current Brackley manager and former Cobblers striker.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Tabasco Kid on April 06, 2019, 20:41:51 pm
He's talking about the current Brackley manager and former Cobblers striker.
He did a decent job.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 06, 2019, 20:46:26 pm
He did a decent job.

Did or is doing a decent job? I thought (wrongly) that you think it's Kevin Wilson he was referring to.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 06, 2019, 22:09:27 pm
Yes, Kevin WILKIN, Manager of Brackley Town, playoff finalists and FA Trophy winners last season, up there again in 3rd this season, must be doing something right!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 07, 2019, 10:40:29 am
Yes, Kevin WILKIN, Manager of Brackley Town, playoff finalists and FA Trophy winners last season, up there again in 3rd this season, must be doing something right!

When he managed at a higher level (Wrexham) he failed. Like most managers do at some point, not saying he wouldn't make a good manager for us in the future.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 07, 2019, 11:22:42 am
When he managed at a higher level (Wrexham) he failed. Like most managers do at some point, not saying he wouldn't make a good manager for us in the future.

Is it a misconception that he "failed" at Wrexham?

8th in the conference, 3rd round of the FA Cup and beaten finalists in the FA Trophy.
23 wins, 21 draws ans 17 defeats in his 61 games. 37.7% win ratio.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 07, 2019, 11:41:51 am
Id far rather have someone that cared about the club in charge - certainly that has a decent football ethic.

Good season this year at Brackley once again

If he continues the way his going in will happen, it's just a matter of time!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 07, 2019, 12:26:09 pm
Is it a misconception that he "failed" at Wrexham?

8th in the conference, 3rd round of the FA Cup and beaten finalists in the FA Trophy.
23 wins, 21 draws ans 17 defeats in his 61 games. 37.7% win ratio.

Well the chairman obviously thought differently. But that doesn't mean much in this day and age.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on April 07, 2019, 15:13:10 pm
Appears he treated the players like children last week, hes gonna lose the changing room before too long.
Only 5 or 6 being released im told, which isn't enough


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dr Feelgood on April 07, 2019, 15:49:04 pm
Curlio will be here next season. His job was to keep us up.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 07, 2019, 16:10:46 pm
Id far rather have someone that cared about the club in charge - certainly that has a decent football ethic.

Good season this year at Brackley once again

If he continues the way his going in will happen, it's just a matter of time!

By implication why do you say that KC doesnít care about the club?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 07, 2019, 16:13:55 pm
Curlio will be here next season. His job was to keep up.



I'm glad we are aiming so high these days!!  ;)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2019, 16:25:21 pm
Appears he treated the players like children last week, hes gonna lose the changing room before too long.
Only 5 or 6 being released im told, which isn't enough

Only 5 or 6  ;D couldn't make it up. Sadly am confident this information will prove to be accurate as well.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on April 07, 2019, 16:56:04 pm
I suspect some of the offers made will be unacceptable so whilst they might not be released they will move on.

My gut feel is that anybody over the age of 21 will be free to depart..... and a taxi load will arrive from Cumbria unless they get promoted.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 07, 2019, 17:46:05 pm
Only 10 are out of contract in any case: Facey, Buchs, Foley, Powell, Goff, Bowditch, Bridge, O'Toole, Iaciofano and Coddington. So if 6 were released only 4 would be offered terms. That could be Goff and Bridge plus 2 others. If true of course.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 07, 2019, 18:02:49 pm
Appears he treated the players like children last week, hes gonna lose the changing room before too long.
Only 5 or 6 being released im told, which isn't enough

The poor darlings...did they have to be in for 9am  ::) shame.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Alfred on April 07, 2019, 19:08:43 pm
Only 10 are out of contract in any case: Facey, Buchs, Foley, Powell, Goff, Bowditch, Bridge, O'Toole, Iaciofano and Coddington. So if 6 were released only 4 would be offered terms. That could be Goff and Bridge plus 2 others. If true of course.

Fair point

Assuming the loans go back

Who does that leave over the age of 21
Taylor
Pierre
Turnbull
Williams
JM
Hoskins
Cornell
Waters

McWilliams is U 21 but i reckon he could move on

Probably stuck with Hoskins and Cornell

but reckon the rest will get offers to depart the PTS


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 07, 2019, 19:26:57 pm
Fair point

Assuming the loans go back

Who does that leave over the age of 21
Taylor
Pierre
Turnbull
Williams
JM
Hoskins
Cornell
Waters

McWilliams is U 21 but i reckon he could move on

Probably stuck with Hoskins and Cornell

but reckon the rest will get offers to depart the PTS

Could be a very busy summer ahead. A new team required.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on April 07, 2019, 20:39:19 pm
Curlio will be here next season. His job was to keep us up.


Utter rubbish .
People state this as though it is fact .
It is not fact , it is assumption.
Assumption I donít buy into .
The expectation of Curle was much more than keeping us up , in my opinion .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 07, 2019, 20:51:04 pm
Utter rubbish .
People state this as though it is fact .
It is not fact , it is assumption.
Assumption I donít buy into .
The expectation of Curle was much more than keeping us up , in my opinion .

That's the fault of KT then, because that's what he said when he appointed him.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 07, 2019, 21:16:21 pm
Iím intrigued to know why Dean Austin got pretty much an easy ride and almost unanimous support from the fanbase while KC seems to have the opposite. Is it because of the fact that DA came across as a ďdecent blokeĒ and peppered his interviews with fan friendly soundbites and how he set his teams out playing ďattackingĒ football that was in reality completely ineffectual? KC has come in and is pretty much the opposite, his demeanour is pretty reserved and interviews not as articulate as DA and of course his style of football has been more functional/pragmatic but whether you like it or not he is working with an amalgamation of several rubbish managers rubbish players. Unless Iíve overlooked anyone, he hasnít brought any of his own permanent players in yet - in January Iím pretty sure he hinted that he had decided to save the funds for the summer recruitment. All Iím saying is weíve got to give him a chance over the next few months to put together his own squad and then see how it goes into next season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Charlatan on April 07, 2019, 21:20:20 pm
Iím intrigued to know why Dean Austin got pretty much an easy ride and almost unanimous support from the fanbase while KC seems to have the opposite. Is it because of the fact that DA came across as a ďdecent blokeĒ and peppered his interviews with fan friendly soundbites and how he set his teams out playing ďattackingĒ football that was in reality completely ineffectual? KC has come in and is pretty much the opposite, his demeanour is pretty reserved and interviews not as articulate as DA and of course his style of football has been more functional/pragmatic but whether you like it or not he is working with an amalgamation of several rubbish managers rubbish players. Unless Iíve overlooked anyone, he hasnít brought any of his own permanent players in yet - in January Iím pretty sure he hinted that he had decided to save the funds for the summer recruitment. All Iím saying is weíve got to give him a chance over the next few months to put together his own squad and then see how it goes into next season.
Spot on Irchy


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 07, 2019, 22:02:55 pm
Iím intrigued to know why Dean Austin got pretty much an easy ride and almost unanimous support from the fanbase while KC seems to have the opposite. Is it because of the fact that DA came across as a ďdecent blokeĒ and peppered his interviews with fan friendly soundbites and how he set his teams out playing ďattackingĒ football that was in reality completely ineffectual? KC has come in and is pretty much the opposite, his demeanour is pretty reserved and interviews not as articulate as DA and of course his style of football has been more functional/pragmatic but whether you like it or not he is working with an amalgamation of several rubbish managers rubbish players. Unless Iíve overlooked anyone, he hasnít brought any of his own permanent players in yet - in January Iím pretty sure he hinted that he had decided to save the funds for the summer recruitment. All Iím saying is weíve got to give him a chance over the next few months to put together his own squad and then see how it goes into next season.

Yep, well said and correct. People seem to want pure attacking football in league 2, really worked that one.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 07, 2019, 23:04:47 pm
I'm glad we are aiming so high these days!!  ;)

So what did you expect this season ?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 07, 2019, 23:16:59 pm
Utter rubbish .
People state this as though it is fact .
It is not fact , it is assumption.
Assumption I donít buy into .
The expectation of Curle was much more than keeping us up , in my opinion .

What do you think the expectation was in your opinion?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 07, 2019, 23:19:17 pm
Iím intrigued to know why Dean Austin got pretty much an easy ride and almost unanimous support from the fanbase while KC seems to have the opposite. Is it because of the fact that DA came across as a ďdecent blokeĒ and peppered his interviews with fan friendly soundbites and how he set his teams out playing ďattackingĒ football that was in reality completely ineffectual? KC has come in and is pretty much the opposite, his demeanour is pretty reserved and interviews not as articulate as DA and of course his style of football has been more functional/pragmatic but whether you like it or not he is working with an amalgamation of several rubbish managers rubbish players. Unless Iíve overlooked anyone, he hasnít brought any of his own permanent players in yet - in January Iím pretty sure he hinted that he had decided to save the funds for the summer recruitment. All Iím saying is weíve got to give him a chance over the next few months to put together his own squad and then see how it goes into next season.

Spot on, sensible view.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 07, 2019, 23:50:10 pm
Spot on, sensible view.

Irchy seems to have come in from the cold with these pragmatic comments.  8)
By and large he is right, we have never really been a fancy dan side. (No offence Dan)  ;). A somewhat noisy section on here seem to be demanding fast flowing attractive football when we clearly have not got the players or the skills. After any disappointing result they emerge from the shadows deploring the Manager and at least two of the players. KC has kept us up after a disastrous start and even sold our two best players! True the play offs have all but disappeared but alt least that is better than just escaping relegation like in previous seasons. I also get the impression that a few on here have exorbitant high expectations of KC and the players so when there is a poor result its raining Toys for a few days.  Whats the point of demanding fancy dan footall without the player skills to implement it. Actually KC reminds me of CW in his early months here; we simply have to wait until next season and give the bloke a decent chance. We cannot keep sacking managers every six to 8 months to appease a few vociferous 'fans' on here.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: pattcobb on April 08, 2019, 06:18:43 am
Irchy seems to have come in from the cold with these pragmatic comments.  8)
By and large he is right, we have never really been a fancy dan side. (No offence Dan)  ;). A somewhat noisy section on here seem to be demanding fast flowing attractive football when we clearly have not got the players or the skills. After any disappointing result they emerge from the shadows deploring the Manager and at least two of the players. KC has kept us up after a disastrous start and even sold our two best players! True the play offs have all but disappeared but alt least that is better than just escaping relegation like in previous seasons. I also get the impression that a few on here have exorbitant high expectations of KC and the players so when there is a poor result its raining Toys for a few days.  Whats the point of demanding fancy dan footall without the player skills to implement it. Actually KC reminds me of CW in his early months here; we simply have to wait until next season and give the bloke a decent chance. We cannot keep sacking managers every six to 8 months to appease a few vociferous 'fans' on here.
Actually KC reminds me more of Atkins than CW but I get your drift.
Dont forget CW could be pretty direct and defensive at times too.
Give KC a decent budget and he will hit it with league position, that is his record - level on budget or above and thats what he will do for us. Over to KT then!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 08, 2019, 09:46:44 am
People only liked Dean Austin because of his "let's go hunting" soundbite.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 08, 2019, 11:33:35 am
Until we've seen him say who he intends to keep on,  work the transfer market in the summer, and after we've played a few games next season, its extremely difficult to judge KC on his medium-long term credentials as manager of NTFC.

He's done alright overall. The squad as things stand isn't strong enough to challenge for promotion, I think thats a given. There were many games during Wilders early tenure where we played defensive long ball borefest football. He also had a lot more £ to play with during his first (January) transfer window when he paid cash for Sinclair. At least KC hasn't 'bought' Sordell  ;D

So for me, he gets the benefit of the doubt, my full support and Ill just try to avoid getting too wound up during matches between now and the end of the season!  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on April 08, 2019, 12:05:51 pm
Yep, well said and correct. People seem to want pure attacking football in league 2, really worked that one.

His 'style' of football hasn't worked in 20 seasons in this league


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on April 08, 2019, 15:13:08 pm
What do you think the expectation was in your opinion?
I would suggest the expectation was to get the full potential out of the squad of players available and build the foundations for the following season that after some trimming and adding performs to the budget levels allocated .
I think we are a country mile away from that objective .


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 08, 2019, 15:14:31 pm
I would suggest the expectation was to get the full potential out of the squad of players available and build the foundations for the following season that after some trimming and adding performs to the budget levels allocated .
I think we are a country mile away from that objective .

I don't...


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 08, 2019, 16:13:22 pm
His 'style' of football hasn't worked in 20 seasons in this league

Please explain what Curle's 'style of football is? Do you even know how Mansfield, Notts County & Carlisle played when Curle was in charge at those  clubs, needless to say it's not the same as he is currently playing.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 08, 2019, 18:04:24 pm
Please explain what Curle's 'style of football is? Do you even know how Mansfield, Notts County & Carlisle played when Curle was in charge at those  clubs, needless to say it's not the same as he is currently playing.

Thatís what I mean - people seem to be very polarised for some reason - perhaps itís got to do with the general situation at the club? What I do know is that there are 5 meaningless games left for people to moan, then when he announces his retained list people will moan, then heíll start making signings and people will moan. Itís going to be a looooong summer.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: bungle on April 08, 2019, 18:12:33 pm
I would suggest the expectation was to get the full potential out of the squad of players available and build the foundations for the following season that after some trimming and adding performs to the budget levels allocated .
I think we are a country mile away from that objective .


For me, Curle has achieved the bare minimum required: he's managed to guide a team to safety who should never have been struggling in the first place.

His back-to-basics approach was prudent given the chaos under Austin, but the big question is whether he has what it takes to evolve beyond that. So far I haven't seen anything to suggest he is anything other than a solid but unspectacular lower-league manager.

He seems to be blaming the quality of the players he has inherited for the lack of progress, but several opposition managers - Stevenage's being the most recent example - have lauded the quality of our squad and expressed surprised at our lowly position.

Having said that, things might have been very different if George Cox's injury hadn't deprived him of a crucial wing-back necessary to play his preferred 3-5-2 formation.

His track-record at previous clubs suggests that he has what it takes to turn the side into play-off challengers at this level. The big question is whether he can deliver more than that and achieve the promotion that has constantly eluded him.


Basically it all rests on the summer transfer window. He needs to keep enough of the spine of the team together to ensure cohesion and continuity (Pierre, Turnbull, McWilliams) whilst recruiting wisely and presiding over a proper clear out in order to finally exorcise the losing mentality that we've had ever since JED and JFH.










Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BMON on April 08, 2019, 18:31:58 pm
Curles first set of signings have looked considerably better than those of previous managers. He inherited a ship sailing very fast in the wrong direction so it was always going to be a long-term job to turn it around  but he's doing okay in very trying circumstances. It was going to be touch and go whether we were going to stay up, but that's due to the chronic weakness of the squad before January which set the pattern for this season.

He is the man for the job. Some so-called supporters have been shameful for the blame culture they have put at his door - dragging up his Carlisle record, using hindsight to slag off his tactics.
Curle will sort out this horrorshow if you give them time and patience.

Which proves that he has done a half decent job with his signings since the end of Jan given the circumstances. The team is more settled nowadays which helps too. Curle had to make do with some bad players, players out of position and injuries when he first arrived. Keep the faith in keith

There's a guy behind me who moans constantly.
I say moan, it's like a series of groans and angry yells of "CAAAAMMOOOOOON" or "CONCENTRATE!" whenever something doesn't go as planned. It's a really negative vibe and it winds up those sitting around him, so God knows how it affects the players.

Don't get me wrong, I voice my anger when I think it's deserved, but I cheer and applaud good play as well. Positive reinforcement is invariably more effective than constant criticism.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on April 08, 2019, 18:46:45 pm
Curles first set of signings have looked considerably better than those of previous managers. He inherited a ship sailing very fast in the wrong direction so it was always going to be a long-term job to turn it around  but he's doing okay in very trying circumstances. It was going to be touch and go whether we were going to stay up, but that's due to the chronic weakness of the squad before January which set the pattern for this season.

He is the man for the job. Some so-called supporters have been shameful for the blame culture they have put at his door - dragging up his Carlisle record, using hindsight to slag off his tactics.
Curle will sort out this horrorshow if you give them time and patience.

Which proves that he has done a half decent job with his signings since the end of Jan given the circumstances. The team is more settled nowadays which helps too. Curle had to make do with some bad players, players out of position and injuries when he first arrived. Keep the faith in keith

There's a guy behind me who moans constantly.
I say moan, it's like a series of groans and angry yells of "CAAAAMMOOOOOON" or "CONCENTRATE!" whenever something doesn't go as planned. It's a really negative vibe and it winds up those sitting around him, so God knows how it affects the players.

Don't get me wrong, I voice my anger when I think it's deserved, but I cheer and applaud good play as well. Positive reinforcement is invariably more effective than constant criticism.

Sorry you lost me after the 1st sentence, I thought you were being sarcastic


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BMON on April 08, 2019, 19:29:28 pm
this is one of the most important times in the cobblers recent history, after such a result they now need to keep themselves in the media spotlight, another big draw would help this.If they showed that kind of spirit and will to win each game then many 'fans'  would return.
In recent seasons the quality of performance and effort has been dire  that amongst other things, made me look to other things to take up my Saturday afternoons.
SO we drew away , i would love to see KT say that at least 75% of the cash made go towards the squad as a reward to the fans for their terrific support during the **** football years, he needs to speculate to accumulate, like he perhaps should have done in the past.
I would certainly consider coming back on a regular basis.
This is a big chance for the club now, continue along the prudent path to oblivion, or flourish on the back of this big result, the club is on one of its all time lows at the moment, the club needs to make sure it stays on a high.
This is a fantastic opportunity for the long suffering 400-500 loyal fans, it will count for nothing unless they kick on . Investment is the key, the big purse could be assured tomorrow, dont pull those strings to tight KT


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on April 08, 2019, 19:35:33 pm
this is one of the most important times in the cobblers recent history, after such a result they now need to keep themselves in the media spotlight, another big draw would help this.If they showed that kind of spirit and will to win each game then many 'fans'  would return.
In recent seasons the quality of performance and effort has been dire  that amongst other things, made me look to other things to take up my Saturday afternoons.
SO we drew away , i would love to see KT say that at least 75% of the cash made go towards the squad as a reward to the fans for their terrific support during the **** football years, he needs to speculate to accumulate, like he perhaps should have done in the past.
I would certainly consider coming back on a regular basis.
This is a big chance for the club now, continue along the prudent path to oblivion, or flourish on the back of this big result, the club is on one of its all time lows at the moment, the club needs to make sure it stays on a high.
This is a fantastic opportunity for the long suffering 400-500 loyal fans, it will count for nothing unless they kick on . Investment is the key, the big purse could be assured tomorrow, dont pull those strings to tight KT

Surely a wind up or your age is about 12 ?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BMON on April 08, 2019, 20:12:53 pm
Surely a wind up or your age is about 12 ?

It depends what you call a wind up and also what the contributor on here qualified as fact .
At the end of the day , it's your view and you know my views on this matter.
That's my point , regardless of what age is thrown about to confuse the matter


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: crazycobbler on April 08, 2019, 21:18:07 pm
If Curle had been at the helm from the start of the season weíd be right up there challenging for playoffs. To achieve almost playoff form with this awful, imbalanced squad is a top effort.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on April 08, 2019, 21:25:36 pm
this is one of the most important times in the cobblers recent history, after such a result they now need to keep themselves in the media spotlight, another big draw would help this.If they showed that kind of spirit and will to win each game then many 'fans'  would return.
In recent seasons the quality of performance and effort has been dire  that amongst other things, made me look to other things to take up my Saturday afternoons.
SO we drew away , i would love to see KT say that at least 75% of the cash made go towards the squad as a reward to the fans for their terrific support during the **** football years, he needs to speculate to accumulate, like he perhaps should have done in the past.
I would certainly consider coming back on a regular basis.
This is a big chance for the club now, continue along the prudent path to oblivion, or flourish on the back of this big result, the club is on one of its all time lows at the moment, the club needs to make sure it stays on a high.
This is a fantastic opportunity for the long suffering 400-500 loyal fans, it will count for nothing unless they kick on . Investment is the key, the big purse could be assured tomorrow, dont pull those strings to tight KT

A true visionary


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: guest2677 on April 08, 2019, 21:29:33 pm
Bob's a fen dweller.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 08, 2019, 23:41:22 pm
this is one of the most important times in the cobblers recent history, after such a result they now need to keep themselves in the media spotlight, another big draw would help this.If they showed that kind of spirit and will to win each game then many 'fans'  would return.
In recent seasons the quality of performance and effort has been dire  that amongst other things, made me look to other things to take up my Saturday afternoons.
SO we drew away , i would love to see KT say that at least 75% of the cash made go towards the squad as a reward to the fans for their terrific support during the **** football years, he needs to speculate to accumulate, like he perhaps should have done in the past.
I would certainly consider coming back on a regular basis.
This is a big chance for the club now, continue along the prudent path to oblivion, or flourish on the back of this big result, the club is on one of its all time lows at the moment, the club needs to make sure it stays on a high.
This is a fantastic opportunity for the long suffering 400-500 loyal fans, it will count for nothing unless they kick on . Investment is the key, the big purse could be assured tomorrow, dont pull those strings to tight KT


Two quite brave posts from you so well done from me! Just hope you can handle the unwarranted criticism you have already attracted💥


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on April 09, 2019, 18:56:59 pm
Thatís what I mean - people seem to be very polarised for some reason - perhaps itís got to do with the general situation at the club? What I do know is that there are 5 meaningless games left for people to moan, then when he announces his retained list people will moan, then heíll start making signings and people will moan. Itís going to be a looooong summer.
£90 for overnight in hotel and £70 for train for final meaningless game. As Dan might say...
The moaning begins here!  ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on April 09, 2019, 19:09:32 pm
£90 for overnight in hotel and £70 for train for final meaningless game. As Dan might say...
The moaning begins here!  ;D


 ;D ;D ;D ;D Tickled me that did.

Not sure of our train prices as yet but certainly will be at the final game of the season. A cause for celebration knowing that we won't see many of them play for us again  :P


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 09, 2019, 20:20:21 pm
;D ;D ;D ;D Tickled me that did.

Not sure of our train prices as yet but certainly will be at the final game of the season. A cause for celebration knowing that we won't see many of them play for us again  :P

Or not as the case may be!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Coolcat on April 10, 2019, 17:02:10 pm
Interesting, that while the remaining games are being labelled (understandably) as 'meaningless', the Cobblers themselves are very much the Kingmakers in the run in...
Mansfield and Bury games will have the fans of the other top few clubs throwing their support behind us, while also having a strong bearing on who falls through the basement trapdoor, Notts County (last Sat) of course, Macclesfield and Yeovil to visit Sixfields!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: bluebry on April 10, 2019, 22:55:46 pm
Hello folks, me again Carlisle fan!!!
I see old Curly Chops is completely dividing opinion amongst your fan base, not surprising really as hes done exactly the same with Mansfield, Notts County and us, and now yourselves. Some love him, others (like me) think he will never make a decent manager as long as most of us have holes in our backsides, far to irrational, on the back of fag packet team selections, players not knowing whether they are coming or going, completely dividing his backroom staff etc, etc, etc.
Hope it goes well for you, but I have serious doubts.
Oh and as a matter of interest, is he STILL trying to 'play it from the back'? I know its the modern way of thinking but can really do it with 4th tier players?????? It never worked properly at Brunton Park. 


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on April 10, 2019, 23:55:55 pm
Hello folks, me again Carlisle fan!!!
I see old Curly Chops is completely dividing opinion amongst your fan base, not surprising really as hes done exactly the same with Mansfield, Notts County and us, and now yourselves. Some love him, others (like me) think he will never make a decent manager as long as most of us have holes in our backsides, far to irrational, on the back of fag packet team selections, players not knowing whether they are coming or going, completely dividing his backroom staff etc, etc, etc.
Hope it goes well for you, but I have serious doubts.
Oh and as a matter of interest, is he STILL trying to 'play it from the back'? I know its the modern way of thinking but can really do it with 4th tier players?????? It never worked properly at Brunton Park. 
In my opinion - he has absolutely no clue or game plan at all except to chase down and play it into percentage areas - then see what happens !
Funnily enough a lot of players donít buy into it !


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 11, 2019, 09:05:37 am
In my opinion - he has absolutely no clue or game plan at all except to chase down and play it into percentage areas - then see what happens !
Funnily enough a lot of players donít buy into it !

Iím glad you mentioned how you feel about KC, you havenít shared it with us for at least a day.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on April 11, 2019, 11:04:08 am
Hello folks, me again Carlisle fan!!!
I see old Curly Chops is completely dividing opinion amongst your fan base, not surprising really as hes done exactly the same with Mansfield, Notts County and us, and now yourselves. Some love him, others (like me) think he will never make a decent manager as long as most of us have holes in our backsides, far to irrational, on the back of fag packet team selections, players not knowing whether they are coming or going, completely dividing his backroom staff etc, etc, etc.
Hope it goes well for you, but I have serious doubts.
Oh and as a matter of interest, is he STILL trying to 'play it from the back'? I know its the modern way of thinking but can really do it with 4th tier players?????? It never worked properly at Brunton Park. 
Some of that sounds familiar already but he's done enough to get us out of trouble - and this with a number of gutless wonders in the squad. Think he will be judged on what he does next season with his own players. My overriding concern is how committed he is to the club. He regularly gives the players the day off on Monday's and they think it's because he just wants to  cut down on the travelling from home.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 11, 2019, 11:32:44 am
Are you seriously hinting that the players are disgruntled about getting a day off?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Clarity on April 11, 2019, 11:38:34 am
Some of that sounds familiar already but he's done enough to get us out of trouble - and this with a number of gutless wonders in the squad. Think he will be judged on what he does next season with his own players. My overriding concern is how committed he is to the club. He regularly gives the players the day off on Monday's and they think it's because he just wants to  cut down on the travelling from home.
He is our manager, coach and chief motivator. Iíve always thought this excuse is a cop out...they are his players


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: bluebry on April 11, 2019, 12:05:21 pm
Some of that sounds familiar already but he's done enough to get us out of trouble - and this with a number of gutless wonders in the squad. Think he will be judged on what he does next season with his own players. My overriding concern is how committed he is to the club. He regularly gives the players the day off on Monday's and they think it's because he just wants to  cut down on the travelling from home.

Aye but this could be where your troubles really begin.
He also saved us from relegation the first year he was here, unfortunately the board thought he had done a wonderful job and then started backing him big style with (what seemed on paper) decent signings....happy days....or so we thought. But then came the tinkering, it was evident before, but a lot of us put it down to just getting the players and systems into a style he wanted, unfortunately though it didn't stop. The only time he did leave it alone was when he went on a winning run (think it was about 17 games) which was great, but sure enough as soon as it came to an end the very next game he made 4 changes, and they never got into that kind of form/rhythm again.
You have to look at it this way after Curle left, so did some of the bigger earners we were left with what most of us thought were errr not very good, but after a slow start Sheridan turned us into a really hard working efficient side, and 8 of those players were here under Curle. Kind of tell you a story, doesn't it?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on April 11, 2019, 15:23:40 pm
Let's hope he learns from his past mistakes.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 11, 2019, 15:45:17 pm
He is our manager, coach and chief motivator. Iíve always thought this excuse is a cop out...they are his players

Agreed.

And when people say "give him the summer to sign his players"....where are all these players? Sitting around waiting for Keith to call? More than likely they are with other clubs, under contracts.

Unless of course we really are going to have an overhaul over the summer and fill our team with freebies and loan signings.

I think the fanbase is pretty much agreed that the squad needs an overhaul, and needs the dead wood chopping. I'm just not sure I want Curle to be in charge of that process.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 11, 2019, 15:54:38 pm
Let's hope he learns from his past mistakes.

What are his errors ? I can think of one which is tinkering but is questionable considering the vagaries of the squad. Will be interesting to learn of some his past mistakes from you. Heaven forbid that your comment is merely a soundbite for the disillusioned on here.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boring Bar Steward on April 11, 2019, 17:35:50 pm
Agreed.

And when people say "give him the summer to sign his players"....where are all these players? Sitting around waiting for Keith to call? More than likely they are with other clubs, under contracts.

Unless of course we really are going to have an overhaul over the summer and fill our team with freebies and loan signings.

I think the fanbase is pretty much agreed that the squad needs an overhaul, and needs the dead wood chopping. I'm just not sure I want Curle to be in charge of that process.
Who would you want in charge?  Austin, JFH, Edinburgh, Page...............................................................!!!!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 11, 2019, 17:59:37 pm
Who would you want in charge?  Austin, JFH, Edinburgh, Page...............................................................!!!!

Jurgen Klopp? 


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on April 12, 2019, 09:52:40 am
What are his errors ? I can think of one which is tinkering but is questionable considering the vagaries of the squad. Will be interesting to learn of some his past mistakes from you. Heaven forbid that your comment is merely a soundbite for the disillusioned on here.
Not at all, Everbrite. I do believe a player playing well deserves to keep his place. I also believe you should settle on a formation and play this most of time, only changing when situation  or personnel dictates. Some defeats have been self-inflicted. Substitutions, at times, have been baffling.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on April 12, 2019, 09:59:32 am
Who would you want in charge?  Austin, JFH, Edinburgh, Page...............................................................!!!!
I said before KC came in, Neal Ardley. He 's turning around Notts County from what looked like a seemingly impossible position. Expect them to survive and be amongst the promotion pack next season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on April 12, 2019, 10:02:36 am
Are you seriously hinting that the players are disgruntled about getting a day off?
Only the motivated ones that can't understand having Monday after a defeat. They think it sends out a bad message.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 12, 2019, 10:51:09 am
Who would you want in charge?  Austin, JFH, Edinburgh, Page...............................................................!!!!

Austin and Hasselbaink no, but I donít think Curle has done anything above what Page and Edinburgh did, and for me, the football being played is boring and predictable. The only unpredictable thing is his team selections.

I donít know whoís out there now, but Iím sure there would be someone in the usual 40-50 applicants that would stand out.

Failing that, Iíve already mentioned Kevin Wilkin who is doing a great job down the road a Brackley, or even Jon Brady who is bringing our youth players on in leaps and bounds and has them playing some really decent football.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on April 12, 2019, 11:21:45 am
Austin and Hasselbaink no, but I donít think Curle has done anything above what Page and Edinburgh did, and for me, the football being played is boring and predictable. The only unpredictable thing is his team selections.

I donít know whoís out there now, but Iím sure there would be someone in the usual 40-50 applicants that would stand out.

Failing that, Iíve already mentioned Kevin Wilkin who is doing a great job down the road a Brackley, or even Jon Brady who is bringing our youth players on in leaps and bounds and has them playing some really decent football.
Good shout! I would take either of them.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 12, 2019, 11:29:13 am
Only the motivated ones that can't understand having Monday after a defeat. They think it sends out a bad message.

Ah, only the ďmotivated onesĒ - seems a bit harsh to use this as another stick to beat KC with when it is disconcertingly vague and the man himself canít respond - he might have a perfectly good reason why they donít always train on Mondays (beside your thinly veiled barb about him not having to travel down from his home).


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on April 12, 2019, 11:49:14 am
Ah, only the ďmotivated onesĒ - seems a bit harsh to use this as another stick to beat KC with when it is disconcertingly vague and the man himself canít respond - he might have a perfectly good reason why they donít always train on Mondays (beside your thinly veiled barb about him not having to travel down from his home).
Whatever


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 12, 2019, 12:27:15 pm
Whatever

Good comeback, I didnít realise that I had offended you/hit a nerve - just putting forward the other side of the argument. If youíre going to set yourself up as the Julian Assange of the training ground then I think itís only fair that you provide specifics or at least give KC a fair deal. Before I get accused of being a Curle happy clapper I was thoroughly underwhelmed when he was appointed but I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt (we have no other option anyway so you might as well get any notion of Kevin wilkin etc out of your head) and see what the start of next season brings, the style of football is attritional at times to say the least but Iím interested to see if it has been a pragmatic short term decision and whether he can put together an effective and vaguely attractive squad.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Mathius on April 12, 2019, 12:58:27 pm
Good comeback, I didnít realise that I had offended you/hit a nerve - just putting forward the other side of the argument. If youíre going to set yourself up as the Julian Assange of the training ground then I think itís only fair that you provide specifics or at least give KC a fair deal. Before I get accused of being a Curle happy clapper I was thoroughly underwhelmed when he was appointed but I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt (we have no other option anyway so you might as well get any notion of Kevin wilkin etc out of your head) and see what the start of next season brings, the style of football is attritional at times to say the least but Iím interested to see if it has been a pragmatic short term decision and whether he can put together an effective and vaguely attractive squad.
You did neither, but if you read my previous post/s you will have seen it mirrors what you go on to say. I think KC has done enough to earn the opportunity to bring in his own players and show what he can do with them. My main concern is how committed he is to the Club - and for good reason. 


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on April 12, 2019, 13:04:51 pm
My main concern is how committed he is to the Club - and for good reason. 

What good reason is that?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 12, 2019, 13:18:38 pm
Good comeback, I didnít realise that I had offended you/hit a nerve - just putting forward the other side of the argument. If youíre going to set yourself up as the Julian Assange of the training ground then I think itís only fair that you provide specifics or at least give KC a fair deal. Before I get accused of being a Curle happy clapper I was thoroughly underwhelmed when he was appointed but I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt (we have no other option anyway so you might as well get any notion of Kevin wilkin etc out of your head) and see what the start of next season brings, the style of football is attritional at times to say the least but Iím interested to see if it has been a pragmatic short term decision and whether he can put together an effective and vaguely attractive squad.

Well said Irchy. Some people seem to think there is better out there, until they arrive and then those same people complain about the style of football or the way they talk or whatever else they can think of. Gary Johnson was a fans choice and look what happened with that.

Normally teams take a day off during the week. KC maybe takes Monday off instead of Wednesday so he can get his points across in the four remaining days of the week. That's his choice.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 12, 2019, 13:31:49 pm
Whatever

I find it extraordinary naive for some posters to recommend/urge non league managers to be considered. One example is the citing of the Brackley Town Manager to be given a chance having had some success at lower league level. It might have been more relevant if Brackley/or Wilkin were in the Conference.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 12, 2019, 13:35:17 pm
What good reason is that?

+
if only he could divulge his source and/or reasons.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 12, 2019, 13:40:10 pm
If the training ground/dressing room is such a seething pit of misery then how come the out of contract players are more or less queuing up to beg for another 1/2 years (and before anyone suggests it even the likes of bowditch and Powell will have no difficulties whatsoever in finding another club to take them on)?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: barton cobbler on April 12, 2019, 14:12:05 pm
I find it extraordinary naive for some posters to recommend/urge non league managers to be considered. .
The Cowley brothers at Lincoln haven't done too bad. They were PE teachers in Southend whilst managing Concord Rangers, moved to Braintree and the rest is history.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 12, 2019, 14:35:36 pm
The Cowley brothers at Lincoln haven't done too bad. They were PE teachers in Southend whilst managing Concord Rangers, moved to Braintree and the rest is history.

Braintree were in the Conference at the time and finished 3rd. That was my point being in the Conference. Under those circumstances NTFC might well have considered the Bros. Similar to Wilder?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: threeinabed on April 12, 2019, 16:04:37 pm
If the training ground/dressing room is such a seething pit of misery then how come the out of contract players are more or less queuing up to beg for another 1/2 years

money

next question!?!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 12, 2019, 16:40:05 pm
money

next question!?!


Money what - regardless of what you or any of us think about the players none of them will be unemployed next season.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 12, 2019, 16:54:04 pm
Money what - regardless of what you or any of us think about the players none of them will be unemployed next season.

Apart from Iaciofano and possibly Goff and Coddington, who if released will probably need to play at a lower level and get proper jobs.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: SadOldGit on April 12, 2019, 20:45:35 pm
Money what - regardless of what you or any of us think about the players none of them will be unemployed next season.

Yes, money. As in how much. They may very well get a job at Sawbridge United on 2/6 a week but they would rather be earning 4 gazillion at NTFC for doing rugger all. Get shot of the lot of them. We can't do much worse. Can we?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Irchy cob on April 12, 2019, 20:51:10 pm
My point was that most of them will get a 1 or 2 year contract either with us or elsewhere in this league/the conference -  in football there is always some mug who thinks they can get the best out of a Daniel Powell or a Dean Bowditch on a consistent basis (I just hope that we arenít the mug in question).


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 12, 2019, 23:58:24 pm
If the training ground/dressing room is such a seething pit of misery then how come the out of contract players are more or less queuing up to beg for another 1/2 years (and before anyone suggests it even the likes of bowditch and Powell will have no difficulties whatsoever in finding another club to take them on)?

I disagree Irchy I think you may find even Buchs ends up in the conference


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on April 13, 2019, 00:00:38 am
My point was that most of them will get a 1 or 2 year contract either with us or elsewhere in this league/the conference -  in football there is always some mug who thinks they can get the best out of a Daniel Powell or a Dean Bowditch on a consistent basis (I just hope that we arenít the mug in question).

I bet they don't Irchy - I reckon even Buchs will end up no higher than the conference!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: spqr on April 13, 2019, 13:50:30 pm
Dave Bowen did well without managing elsewhere.  Instead of expecting results after 10 games, give managers time.

The more I look at lower league football, the more I see a set of footballers and managers drifting from one club to club to another for a season or two looking for another wage.  It's actually a sad life unless you make it big somewhere.

I still watch the Cobblers when they play up North, but do not expect much.  The night at Macclesfield this season was good.

The game at Morecambe...







Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: BMON on April 13, 2019, 21:23:20 pm
What really really bothers me was how KT has allowed us to get into this position!

Its been clear for weeks and weeks we need creatvity in midfield along with a real ball-winner - we really do miss  Crooks in there for that in my opinion!

The midfield has been too airy fairy((un PC) and easily knocked off the ball all year this has never been addressed! - Having said that Foley was our man of the match by a country mile today and has really improved the last few weeks.

On top of all this what also really worries me any ball over the top against any striker with pace cause us all sorts of trouble.

So I think those people who think sign a couple of forwards and we will be okay are mistaken! - We need 5 - 6 players to turn us into a play off challenging team!

The other real bother I have is how Curle can allow us to go into a game with just Hoskins as a striking option? and the quality of the loan players we have had in are garbage - you just have to look at the quality of other teams strikers all season  to see these quality players are avalible to get on loan (its just having the contacts!) - does Taly ho old bean have these?Huh?

I was speaing to a few Mansfield fans today on leaving and their come from the Kent area sotheir  knew lots about him before he cam on loan as pasrt of the Morias deal - they think if he continues to score a high end league 1 or champ club will come in for him in the summer as Butron don't want him, but he is clearly quality from todays showing!

Lets hope things improve - thePollock lad  brings some more creativity

I feel this won't change things over night tho and we need 3 or 4 more players to become a challenger - also is this all too late now?

Last point is why on earth did he  throw Morias on todday? - What the hell had he got to lose the last 10-15 mins? And how does he feel not only does a centre half play up front in front of him, but he doesn't even get on when drawing 1-1 with 10 mins to go!!!???!!!

Also Hoskins was totally dire yesterday looked like a park player and there is no way he will be getting a new contract in my opnion!
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Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Dan on April 13, 2019, 22:02:32 pm
Sorry. You thought Foley was motm by a mile? Fair play, we saw that game very differently  ;D I lost count of the number of times he aimlessly hoofed the ball in the first half.

Certainly wouldn't knock his efforts, but for me he's a very average league 2 player. Hoping that we don't offer him a new deal personally.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Buster on April 13, 2019, 22:33:00 pm
What really really bothers me was how KT has allowed us to get into this position!

Its been clear for weeks and weeks we need creatvity in midfield along with a real ball-winner - we really do miss  Crooks in there for that in my opinion!

The midfield has been too airy fairy((un PC) and easily knocked off the ball all year this has never been addressed! - Having said that Foley was our man of the match by a country mile today and has really improved the last few weeks.

On top of all this what also really worries me any ball over the top against any striker with pace cause us all sorts of trouble.

So I think those people who think sign a couple of forwards and we will be okay are mistaken! - We need 5 - 6 players to turn us into a play off challenging team!

The other real bother I have is how Curle can allow us to go into a game with just Hoskins as a striking option? and the quality of the loan players we have had in are garbage - you just have to look at the quality of other teams strikers all season  to see these quality players are avalible to get on loan (its just having the contacts!) - does Taly ho old bean have these?Huh?

I was speaing to a few Mansfield fans today on leaving and their come from the Kent area sotheir  knew lots about him before he cam on loan as pasrt of the Morias deal - they think if he continues to score a high end league 1 or champ club will come in for him in the summer as Butron don't want him, but he is clearly quality from todays showing!

Lets hope things improve - thePollock lad  brings some more creativity

I feel this won't change things over night tho and we need 3 or 4 more players to become a challenger - also is this all too late now?

Last point is why on earth did he  throw Morias on todday? - What the hell had he got to lose the last 10-15 mins? And how does he feel not only does a centre half play up front in front of him, but he doesn't even get on when drawing 1-1 with 10 mins to go!!!???!!!

Also Hoskins was totally dire yesterday looked like a park player and there is no way he will be getting a new contract in my opnion!
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Someone?  anyone please?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on April 13, 2019, 22:45:06 pm
Someone?  anyone please?

I can see BMON now swilling champagne on the settee, havana cigar. Idly tapping away on his keyboard confusing us all!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: SadOldGit on April 16, 2019, 09:50:13 am
I was Havana cigar near Notre-Dame.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: bpcobbler on June 06, 2019, 00:37:12 am
Despite all the negativity on these boards over the last few months, I believe that the 8 signings so far, prove that KC/KT are up for the fight, and their intent to achieve promotion is clear... 2019/20 might just be special...   ;)


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 06, 2019, 07:14:45 am
Despite all the negativity on these boards over the last few months, I believe that the 8 signings so far, prove that KC/KT are up for the fight, and their intent to achieve promotion is clear... 2019/20 might just be special...   ;)

Difficult to argue with this (although some will struggle with a quote that paints KT anything less than satan 😉 )

Key now is matchday tactics and man management - although the latter tends to take care of itself in a winning team.

Iím looking forward to August.......


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: WasRambo on June 06, 2019, 08:39:02 am
Fair play, this is a huge message of intent. If these 8 are predominantly starters, then Curlio has pretty much got his own team, assuming there are 4 or 5 of the old squad he's happy to not only keep but play.

Double edged sword... if this lot gel, he's a genius. If they don't.... well he has no excuse.

Really hope it's the former!


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Monkey on June 06, 2019, 09:12:29 am
Very impressed with his signings so far. Any concerns of him not being backed by KT have been quashed.
Midfield in particular is looking strong and much more capable of creating opportunities/goals. The back 4/5 still need re-enforcing, and it will be interesting to see if he sticks with Williams and/or Morias - might depend on who else he can bring in.
The real test is of course how he manages HIS team... no excuses now.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Poggy on June 06, 2019, 09:45:00 am
A good set of signings so far however for me the jury is still out in terms of KC's style of play, tactics and game management.



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on June 06, 2019, 10:02:30 am
Itís all about how the team gel and fight for each other.
I would say that I am impressed with the type of characters he has signed . There arenít many snowflakes amongst that lot of new lads.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Parklands Cobbler on June 06, 2019, 10:06:56 am
Cant see much room for Daniel Powell.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Boot and shoe on June 06, 2019, 10:40:56 am
Cant see much room for Daniel Powell.
Snowflake


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: wingman on June 06, 2019, 11:23:51 am
Cant see much room for Daniel Powell.

theres more life in a pot of yoghurt and strength in a marshmallow  :-\


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: everbrite on June 06, 2019, 13:34:13 pm
theres more life in a pot of yoghurt and strength in a marshmallow  :-\

 :o................. ;D


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 06, 2019, 13:50:58 pm
Despite all the negativity on these boards over the last few months, I believe that the 8 signings so far, prove that KC/KT are up for the fight, and their intent to achieve promotion is clear... 2019/20 might just be special...   ;)

Absolutely.. You have to take into consideration that 99% of the negativity has come from considerably less than 1% of the "support".



Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Grove on June 06, 2019, 14:36:32 pm
Dissapointed with Curle last season, he starts next with a clean sheet for me now. KT has invested well, only what he has saved from ditching the high earners. Adams is a massive coup though so well done all round


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on June 08, 2019, 06:07:35 am
Really pleased with the business done over the summer so far. Nicky Adams and Alan McCormack give us what we've been missing in midfield since the end of the title winning season.

Curle had a free ride last season where he was picking a team from a group of players signed by five different managers. This season is where he will be scrutinised and judged, he's made a superb start to it.

Surprised that Andy Williams is still at the club given Curle doesn't seem to be a fan?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Teachers Pet on June 08, 2019, 12:24:50 pm

Surprised that Andy Williams is still at the club given Curle doesn't seem to be a fan?

I'm not so sure. In KC's recent interview he was quick to praise all our current strikers. He said something along the lines of "all our strikers will benefit from Nicky Adams' delivery. Junior Morias, Andy Williams & Smith are all goalscorers and they will know when they make a run Nicky will find them".

Doesn't sound like any are going any time soon.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Another Pedj on June 08, 2019, 12:40:38 pm
Not sure about that.


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on June 08, 2019, 13:38:02 pm
Not sure about that.
Are you in the know?
Whoís going where?


Title: Re: Views on Keith Curle
Post by: bungle on June 08, 2019, 14:13:59 pm
Fair play, this is a huge message of intent....

Double edged sword... if this lot gel, he's a genius. If they don't.... well he has no excuse.

Really hope it's the former!

Our signings certainly look good on paper, and have caught the attention of the other potential challengers in the division.

I think we're perhaps one pacy striker away from having a very formidable starting X1. I'd also like to see us sign a left-sided winger who can start on the bench and give us the option of switching to 4-4-2 if necessary.

Time will tell, but Curle has shown encouraging signs that he might be significantly better at recruitment than his predecessors.

The main question now, as you say, is whether Curle can mould them into a cohesive unit and achieve the promotion that has so far eluded him.