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Title: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest3063 on July 12, 2019, 14:51:41 pm
If anybody's interested we have been drawn with Posh, Cambridge & Arsenal in this year's competition.

Posh (H), Cambridge (A), Arsenal (H)

Dates to be confirmed. Interesting group for those interested  ;D


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: corno_ntfc on July 12, 2019, 17:37:28 pm
The competition can't even attract a sponsor now.

Should be binned off.

Or bin off the Prem Academy sides and get it started in and amongst Pre Season.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: CobblerForever on July 12, 2019, 18:21:55 pm
FWIW I'll be attending all three games. Please don't bin it. There's no way with the numbers in our squad we play too often. I couldn't care less if there is no sponsor.

Re the sponsor thing - dependent on the price the EFL is seeking.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest3086 on July 12, 2019, 18:44:35 pm
Bin it.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: CobblerForever on July 12, 2019, 18:59:39 pm
Bin it.

Don't go.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest3086 on July 12, 2019, 19:13:08 pm
No danger.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 12, 2019, 19:19:51 pm
I wouldn't think it's the asking price that's putting potential sponsors off so much as the reputational damage that could be caused by being associated with something so unpopular!


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on July 12, 2019, 19:34:18 pm
I wouldn't think it's the asking price that's putting potential sponsors off so much as the reputational damage that could be caused by being associated with something so unpopular!

Is it? Unpopular? Do you think Checkatrade have suffered reputational damage as a result of their sponsorship?

n the great scheme of things do people really care? Sure, some fans of some lower league clubs might have an issue, but we should remember that we are a really small cog in the football machine. I doubt whether any of Arsenals regular 60000 fans give a monkeys, nor Liverpools, nor Manchester Citys etc.

A lot more was made of the fact that the final attracted the highest ever attendance in the history of the competition over all its guises during the last almost 40 years (85,021) than was made of the lowest ever attendance to see a first class match in this country (Burton v Middlesbrough attracting just 202 spectators)

If people want to go and watch then let them go and watch....if they don't then don't!


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: clarkeysntfc on July 12, 2019, 20:09:00 pm
Anyone attending a B team fixture really need to have a word with themselves.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: BedsCobb on July 12, 2019, 20:09:57 pm
Make it a British cup with a 2 legged knock out competition and the away goal rule, no extra time, straight to penalties.
Invite all the Scottish clubs not involved in Europe and Northern Irish clubs. Finals alternating between Wembley Glasgow Belfast or Cardiff.
Can you imagine the excitement of the draw, hoping to draw Hibs or Hearts and posible  trips to Edinburgh,  Dundee or Aberdeen, what about Glentoran in Belfast ?certainly it would be fun..
It would make up for being unable to escape L2 and being a also ran in a boring division.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest3086 on July 12, 2019, 20:30:17 pm
Turn it into a post-Brexit footy fest. Play French, German, Italian, Spanish, Croatian, et al lower league teams then after group games have a knockout tournament in Ibiza with winner takes it all. Nantes v Cobblers in final at La Estrada with pens if required. Runner-up takes on Charity Shield losers in a real festival of soccer at L.A. Galaxy ground with cheer leaders in skimpy outfits and Will 1 in the morning wearing a codpiece to pull in the punters. Would go down a storm in Desborough.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest3086 on July 12, 2019, 20:31:24 pm
Oops hang-on, I've got the horn.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest3293 on July 13, 2019, 00:26:54 am
Make it a British cup with a 2 legged knock out competition and the away goal rule, no extra time, straight to penalties.
Invite all the Scottish clubs not involved in Europe and Northern Irish clubs. Finals alternating between Wembley Glasgow Belfast or Cardiff.
Can you imagine the excitement of the draw, hoping to draw Hibs or Hearts and posible  trips to Edinburgh,  Dundee or Aberdeen, what about Glentoran in Belfast ?certainly it would be fun..
It would make up for being unable to escape L2 and being a also ran in a boring division.

Yes that would help the cash strapped lower league clubs. Oh we've got to travel to the Outer Hebrides, brilliant.

Best thing they could do with this competition is have it in pre season. At least the group games.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: threeinabed on July 13, 2019, 07:59:45 am
Anyone attending a B team fixture really need to have a word with themselves.

if you dont like it - dont go

some 'fans' like to go to support their team - obviously you only go based on the calibre of the competition / opposition.

should we be cancelling all pre-season friendlies too?!

prick


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: runningcobbler on July 13, 2019, 08:10:12 am
Anyone attending a B team fixture really need to have a word with themselves.

What a weird thing to say. I don't go to watch the opposition, I go to watch the cobblers. Get over yourself.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 13, 2019, 08:25:48 am
It's been suggested in the past that Premier League sides should enter B teams into the lower leagues to blood younger/fringe players. It's always been very quickly shot down but a lot of people see the B teams' foray into the EFL trophy as the powers that be testing the water for a future change to the league.

I think that's Clarkey's point - it's not about who we're playing, it's about what it could open the door to if it was just blindly accepted. I mean, think about it - if B teams come into the league, who's place would they take? If an A team was relegated into the Championship and their B team was also in there would they play each other or would the B team be withdrawn? If so, who would take their place? And what if a B team won the Championship? They couldn't be promoted so what would happen? Conceivably we could see the 5th or 6th place finishers go up! It would make the leagues outside the premiership a complete farce and should be avoided at all costs.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: El Carnicero on July 13, 2019, 09:21:20 am
Whether you believe it or not, and I’d understand not trusting anything that comes from the EFL, it's been stated on more than one occasion that B Teams aren't coming into the league. The powers that be have denied it, owners wouldn't go for it and there would be uproar from fans on a far higher level than the Trophy boycott.

If anyone needs to have a word with themselves, it's those who criticise their fellow fans for wanting to watch their own club in competitive action. If you're boycotting, then boycott quietly and let fans watch the club they support in peace. For what it's worth, I don't agree with the U21 format but I have no issue with those that want to go.

And from a footballing point of view, it's a great opportunity for our young and talented players to get vital minutes under their belt against decent opposition.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: The Rauldinho on July 13, 2019, 10:24:41 am
Are the rules still place about how many players from your previous match squad have to be involved?

As much as I hate what the EFL have done with this trophy, we have plenty of youth (if they don't go on loan) that could do with minutes this year.

GK: Lashley

DF:  C.McWilliams, Hughes, J.Williams

MF:  Roberts, Pollock, S.McWilliams, Newell, Daldy, Whaler

We will have plenty of strikers not getting game time, and probably others in the rest of the squad to supplement the above.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest48 on July 13, 2019, 10:58:59 am
Are the rules still place about how many players from your previous match squad have to be involved?

As much as I hate what the EFL have done with this trophy, we have plenty of youth (if they don't go on loan) that could do with minutes this year.

GK: Lashley

DF:  C.McWilliams, Hughes, J.Williams

MF:  Roberts, Pollock, S.McWilliams, Newell, Daldy, Whaler

We will have plenty of strikers not getting game time, and probably others in the rest of the squad to supplement the above.

I think Jack Daldy was one of the three that were released


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: El Carnicero on July 13, 2019, 12:21:10 pm
Rules below:

7.3 Each EFL Club shall play its Full Available Strength in and during all Matches. Full Available Strength means the EFL Club must include at least four Qualifying Players in the ten outfield Players named in the starting eleven on the Team Sheet.

7.4 Qualifying Player means any Player who:
7.4.1 had started the immediately preceding First Team Fixture (as defined below);
7.4.2 subsequently starts the immediately following First Team Fixture;
7.4.3 is in the list of ten Players at the Club with the highest number of starting appearances in First Team Fixtures in the same Season;
7.4.4 has made forty or more starting appearances in First Team Fixtures or international equivalents (and not limited to the same Club or Season); or
7.4.5 is on standard loan from a Premier League Club or any EFL Club operating a Category One Academy.

- Any goalkeeper can play
- Shaun McWilliams isn't too far away from fulfilling rule 7.4.4
- I'm sure Jay Williams and Scott Pollock will start a few league games

So there's plenty of room in the starting XI to give youth a chance.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: The Rauldinho on July 13, 2019, 15:20:28 pm
I think Jack Daldy was one of the three that were released

My bad, wasn't sure on him.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: The Rauldinho on July 13, 2019, 15:21:09 pm
Rules below:
7.3 Each EFL Club shall play its Full Available Strength in and during all Matches. Full Available Strength means the EFL Club must include at least four Qualifying Players in the ten outfield Players named in the starting eleven on the Team Sheet.
7.4 Qualifying Player means any Player who:
7.4.1 had started the immediately preceding First Team Fixture (as defined below);
7.4.2 subsequently starts the immediately following First Team Fixture;
7.4.3 is in the list of ten Players at the Club with the highest number of starting appearances in First Team Fixtures in the same Season;
7.4.4 has made forty or more starting appearances in First Team Fixtures or international equivalents (and not limited to the same Club or Season); or
7.4.5 is on standard loan from a Premier League Club or any EFL Club operating a Category One Academy.
- Any goalkeeper can play
- Shaun McWilliams isn't too far away from fulfilling rule 7.4.4
- I'm sure Jay Williams and Scott Pollock will start a few league games
So there's plenty of room in the starting XI to give youth a chance.
Cheers, could be a useful tool for youth progression if nothing else.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on July 29, 2019, 19:08:01 pm
EFL Trophy fixtures (sort of) confirmed.....

AUGUST 27th* Home v Arsenal U23's  (unless we have progressed to the Carabao Cup 2nd Round as that competition would take precedence and this game would be arranged for another date)

SEPTEMBER 3rd Home v Peterborough United

OCTOBER 8th Away v Cambridge United


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest3063 on August 06, 2019, 19:43:29 pm
Now to be called the 'Leasing.com Trophy' after a new 3 year sponsorship deal announced.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest3063 on November 05, 2019, 20:40:34 pm
Cambridge United lose on penalties to Arsenal u21s, so we qualify for the knockout stage along with Peterborough.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: CobblerForever on November 05, 2019, 20:45:03 pm
Cambridge United lose on penalties to Arsenal u21s, so we qualify for the knockout stage along with Peterborough.

We are away in the next round but not to Peterborough, someone else in our region - the South ?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: CobblerForever on November 05, 2019, 20:47:07 pm
Chelsea U21 or MK Dons please.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 05, 2019, 23:47:44 pm
Away at West Ham would do!!

More likely to get Coventry at St Andrews though!! They played in front of a crowd of 375 tonight as they beat Southampton U21’s

As it stands Portsmouth and MK Dons have won their groups, Chelsea could still get knocked back to second if Bristol Rovers beat Swindon. Brighton are almost there, as are Ipswich. Pish have won our group and the other two groups are a bit up in the air.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: clarkeysntfc on November 06, 2019, 08:00:41 am
Why would anyone want to watch an U21 game?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest3338 on November 06, 2019, 08:27:51 am
Why would anyone want to watch an U21 game?
Do you watch football or support your club?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Coolcat on November 06, 2019, 09:35:14 am
Away at West Ham would do!!

More likely to get Coventry at St Andrews though!! They played in front of a crowd of 375 tonight as they beat Southampton U21’s

As it stands Portsmouth and MK Dons have won their groups, Chelsea could still get knocked back to second if Bristol Rovers beat Swindon. Brighton are almost there, as are Ipswich. Pish have won our group and the other two groups are a bit up in the air.
Don't West Ham play their U21s at Dagenham & Redbrige?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: west stand oap on November 06, 2019, 11:45:41 am
Coventry will not finish top of their group. The winners of FGR v Walsall will. We could beat either of these.
Chelsea U21 will not finish top of their group if Bristol Rovers beat Swindon.
Personally I would prefer MK Dons away.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 06, 2019, 11:54:12 am
Coventry will not finish top of their group. The winners of FGR v Walsall will. We could beat either of these.
Chelsea U21 will not finish top of their group if Bristol Rovers beat Swindon.
Personally I would prefer MK Dons away.

If the FGR v Walsall game ends in a draw and Walsall win on pens then all three teams finish on 6 points and all have a +1 goal difference.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: clarkeysntfc on November 06, 2019, 18:05:34 pm
Do you watch football or support your club?

I’ve had a season ticket for about 15 years. However I don’t support my team being used as cannon fodder for top level B teams.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Larry on November 06, 2019, 18:15:14 pm
I’ve had a season ticket for about 15 years. However I don’t support my team being used as cannon fodder for top level B teams.

Did you go to the equivalent EFL Trophy games before the Under 21s were introduced?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: clarkeysntfc on November 06, 2019, 19:38:50 pm
Did you go to the equivalent EFL Trophy games before the Under 21s were introduced?

Occasionally. I distinctly remember the one where we beat Peterborough AET.

It seems my loss of attendance at Trophy games is in line with the national trend since they made it a B team competition.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 06, 2019, 21:24:03 pm
Occasionally. I distinctly remember the one where we beat Peterborough AET.

It seems my loss of attendance at Trophy games is in line with the national trend since they made it a B team competition.

Agree with the sentiments here Clarkeys. I too haven't been to a Trophy game since the U21's have taken part. Would consider a latter round game against a proper League One or Two club now to support our team to try and get a Wembley final. The EFl ruined the comp with the U21's and the drop in attendance show the strong feelings about it.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Coolcat on November 06, 2019, 21:36:43 pm
Agree with the sentiments here Clarkeys. I too haven't been to a Trophy game since the U21's have taken part. Would consider a latter round game against a proper League One or Two club now to support our team to try and get a Wembley final. The EFl ruined the comp with the U21's and the drop in attendance show the strong feelings about it.
That's a tie versus MK Dons out of the window then I take it?  ;)


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest3338 on November 06, 2019, 21:43:57 pm
I’ve had a season ticket for about 15 years. However I don’t support my team being used as cannon fodder for top level B teams.
Cannon fodder?
I don't remember too many thrashings from these top level B teams.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: everbrite on November 07, 2019, 09:49:35 am
Did you go to the equivalent EFL Trophy games before the Under 21s were introduced?

Larry and CJ - this is a typical comment from Clarkie and to me seems a glorified windup! What Clarkie ignores is the financial rewards available to the Club if it progresses in the Leasing Competition. How any supporter can ignore the
potential financial rewards based on personal prejudicial moralistic judgement on the Leasing Competition. Seems a strange way to support your club !


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest2995 on November 07, 2019, 10:25:03 am
This trophy should be a knock out competition from the outset for the lower two divisions .
No youth teams involved and no preliminary groups .
Then it would be worth attending and competing for.
End of .


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: threeinabed on November 07, 2019, 13:13:34 pm
This trophy should be a knock out competition from the outset for the lower two divisions .
No youth teams involved and no preliminary groups .
Then it would be worth attending and competing for.
End of .

like it used to be, when no-one went to the games?!


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest2995 on November 07, 2019, 13:26:04 pm
like it used to be, when no-one went to the games?!

More went then than go now though .
It’s either that or scrap it altogether


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: BackOfTheNet on November 07, 2019, 13:44:24 pm
More went then than go now though .
It’s either that or scrap it altogether

I always used to go to the home games but stopped going when the U21s joined the competition. It was a matter of principle for me, which isn't a dig at anyone who still chooses to go to them.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: everbrite on November 07, 2019, 16:44:36 pm
More went then than go now though .
It’s either that or scrap it altogether


Proof please and I don't share your opinion


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest2995 on November 07, 2019, 22:37:50 pm


Proof please and I don't share your opinion
I don’t have proof but I think it’s common knowledge that attendances in this competition have dropped considerably at individual games .
Surely you don’t like the current format do you ?
If it was marketed properly as a knock out I think it would be successful . I wouldn’t mind having a go at it myself actually !


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Larry on November 07, 2019, 23:08:11 pm
People seem to forget the EFL Trophy in its various guises was dying on its arse. Us League One and Two fans had no respect for the competition and it was generally known as the Mickey Mouse Cup. It's shame we didn't have any respect for our fellow clubs as it was a neat idea. The cup for leagues below us, the FA Trophy, does really well.
It was an effort to breathe life in to the competition that the League introduced these U21 clubs from the Prem. It's supremely ironic that us league fans are now stamping our feet demanding the return to the cup competition we ridiculed so much.



Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Air-Dan on November 08, 2019, 08:33:14 am
I think the cup in either format was a mistake.

If they wanted to revitalise interest then introducing Championship clubs would have been a better way to go, and would have made it a proper EFL trophy.

The problem with having a cup for just L1 and L2 clubs is that most of us play each other all the time, so it's never anything special. That's a key difference to the FA Trophy / FA Vase where leagues are increasingly regionalised.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Fred_NTFC on November 08, 2019, 08:37:13 am
The funny thing is, I think most supporters would be more interested if it was a League U-21 trophy, but then they decided to fine clubs making too many changes from their league fixtures. I know I'd be more intrigued if it was a chance for some more competitive time for our up-and-comers.

The other thing is, whilst a Wembley final is nice & prize money is welcome, I think they really need to offer a genuine incentive for the winner. How about a Europa Cup spot?  :P


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: 1971cobbler on November 08, 2019, 09:49:39 am
The funny thing is, I think most supporters would be more interested if it was a League U-21 trophy, but then they decided to fine clubs making too many changes from their league fixtures. I know I'd be more intrigued if it was a chance for some more competitive time for our up-and-comers.

The other thing is, whilst a Wembley final is nice & prize money is welcome, I think they really need to offer a genuine incentive for the winner. How about a Europa Cup spot?  :P

Or what about entry into the league cup at the 2nd/3rd round stage the following season?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: memyhead on November 08, 2019, 11:43:31 am
How much do we get for qualifying to the knock out stage?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 08, 2019, 12:31:57 pm
How much do we get for qualifying to the knock out stage?

Nothing!!

Every team receives a "participation fee"......that's £20,000

Prize money is based on results.....

Group Stages is £10,000 for a win, and £5,000 for a draw (regardless of whether you win or lose the resulting shootout)
Knockout stage is £20,000 for a win in round 2, £40,000 for a win in round 3 (area Q/F), £50,000 for a win in the semi-final (area S/F) , then if you win the area final you'll either get £50,000 for losing the overall final or £100,000 for winning it.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: 1971cobbler on November 08, 2019, 17:17:40 pm
Or what about entry into the league cup at the 2nd/3rd round stage the following season?

Or, to reward both finalists, 2nd round for the runners up and 3rd round for the winners.

Sort of then guarantees a bigger draw, along with the associated gate receipts and potentially TV revenues?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 12, 2019, 22:26:38 pm
For the one or two of you who might be interested, the draw is just after 2pm on Sky Soccer Saturday, we will be away to one of the 7 other group winners (can't play Pish again yet) and after tonights results the picture is clearer...

Colchester, Portsmouth, Brighton, Walsall and MK Dons are all confirmed as group winners, with the other two groups seeing either Chelsea or Bristol Rovers (Rovers play Swindon tomorrow, and a win or penalty shootout win will see them top the group, a shootout loss or a defeat will see Chelsea win) and either Exeter or West Ham (West Ham need a two goal or more win, any other result sees Exeter win the group) taking the final places.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest2995 on November 13, 2019, 07:03:25 am
For the one or two of you who might be interested, the draw is just after 2pm on Sky Soccer Saturday, we will be away to one of the 7 other group winners (can't play Pish again yet) and after tonights results the picture is clearer...

Colchester, Portsmouth, Brighton, Walsall and MK Dons are all confirmed as group winners, with the other two groups seeing either Chelsea or Bristol Rovers (Rovers play Swindon tomorrow, and a win or penalty shootout win will see them top the group, a shootout loss or a defeat will see Chelsea win) and either Exeter or West Ham (West Ham need a two goal or more win, any other result sees Exeter win the group) taking the final places.
MK away is ideal for a mid week game and there is never anyone there anyway do you wouldn’t notice the difference.
Do the premier teams play at their traditional home grounds or are they all played away ?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 13, 2019, 08:13:37 am
MK away is ideal for a mid week game and there is never anyone there anyway do you wouldn’t notice the difference.
Do the premier teams play at their traditional home grounds or are they all played away ?


Apparently they play their games at home in this round however it may not be at their PL ground.

"5.1.2 Round of 32.
(i) The eight winners and eight runners up of the north and south group stages qualify for the round of 32.  All other Clubs are eliminated from the Competition.
(ii) The round of 32 pairings are determined by means of a draw whereby the winner of a group will be drawn at home and will play a runner up of a group from the same region (but not from the same group)
(iii) Subject to the requirement above, the League shall determine the format of, and conduct, the draw to determine the round of 32.
(iv) Matches will be of ninety minutes duration, with no extra time. If the scores are level then the winners shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB."


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: just.reading on November 13, 2019, 10:57:57 am
Apparently they play their games at home in this round however it may not be at their PL ground.

"5.1.2 Round of 32.
(i) The eight winners and eight runners up of the north and south group stages qualify for the round of 32.  All other Clubs are eliminated from the Competition.
(ii) The round of 32 pairings are determined by means of a draw whereby the winner of a group will be drawn at home and will play a runner up of a group from the same region (but not from the same group)
(iii) Subject to the requirement above, the League shall determine the format of, and conduct, the draw to determine the round of 32.
(iv) Matches will be of ninety minutes duration, with no extra time. If the scores are level then the winners shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB."

Didn't Peterborough play Chelsea's U21s last year at Stamford Bridge?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 13, 2019, 12:52:46 pm
Chelsea did indeed play at Stamford Bridge, as they did the previous season when Oxford were the visitors.

I don't believe that West Ham will use the London Stadium though...some term of the unique lease agreement with a limit to the amount of games played there...ie only recognised first team games.
Brighton would be ok....I think they'd have to play at the Amex.....

MK had a monster 1,101 in attendance for their game last night.

As long as we don't get Portsmouth or Exeter i'd be happy!!


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on November 13, 2019, 13:19:39 pm
Chelsea did indeed play at Stamford Bridge, as they did the previous season when Oxford were the visitors.

I don't believe that West Ham will use the London Stadium though...some term of the unique lease agreement with a limit to the amount of games played there...ie only recognised first team games.
Brighton would be ok....I think they'd have to play at the Amex.....

MK had a monster 1,101 in attendance for their game last night.

As long as we don't get Portsmouth or Exeter i'd be happy!!

Portsmouth would be right up my street  :)


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 13, 2019, 15:51:41 pm
Portsmouth would be right up my street  :)

There's always one!!

Brighton is not too far!!  ;D


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 13, 2019, 18:53:20 pm
Portsmouth would just down my street, although The Amex isn't too far either and would be a new ground for me...


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 13, 2019, 19:24:12 pm
Joe Powell captaining and scoring for West Ham U21's tonight.....


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 13, 2019, 20:58:39 pm
South

Group Winners.....Colchester United, Portsmouth, Brighton and Hove Albion U21's, Walsall, Exeter City, Bristol Rovers, MK Dons, Peterborough
Runners Up.....Ipswich Town, Oxford United, Leyton Orient, Coventry City, AFC Newport County, Chelsea U21's, Stevenage, Northampton Town


North

Group Winners.....Leicester City U21's, Accrington Stanley, Salford City, Port Vale, Everton U21's, Manchester City U21's, Blackpool, Manchester United U21's
Runners Up....Scun thorpe United, Fleetwood Town, Tranmere Rovers, Shrewsbury Town, Mansfield Town, Bolton Wanderers, Wolves U21's. Doncaster Rovers.

The Northern U21 teams seem to have taken things more seriously!!

I can't work out why Leicester (30 miles north of us) are in the North, yet Walsall (60 miles north of us) are in the South!!


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: roz on November 14, 2019, 06:08:42 am
I can't work out why Leicester (30 miles north of us) are in the North, yet Walsall (60 miles north of us) are in the South!!

Could it be so that both groups had equal number of U21 teams?

So North/South divide worked out separately for U21's and the Div1/Div2 teams



Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Cordwainer2 on November 14, 2019, 08:52:55 am
Always a problem with Midland clubs if you have a north/south split. Haven't Brackley and Corby been both north and south?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2019, 09:19:37 am
I can't work out why Leicester (30 miles north of us) are in the North, yet Walsall (60 miles north of us) are in the South!!

Could it be so that both groups had equal number of U21 teams?

So North/South divide worked out separately for U21's and the Div1/Div2 teams



Excellent....makes sense!!


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2019, 13:25:11 pm
The way the draw is been set up means we can only face one of four opponents.....this ensures that none of the runners up could be drawn against the winners of the group that they played in.

One of Colchester, Portsmouth, Brighton or Walsall will be our opponents


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 14, 2019, 14:15:43 pm
The way the draw is been set up means we can only face one of four opponents.....this ensures that none of the runners up could be drawn against the winners of the group that they played in.

One of Colchester, Portsmouth, Brighton or Walsall will be our opponents

Why have the others been omitted?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2019, 16:16:59 pm
Why have the others been omitted?

To guarantee that no team can meet the same group winner who they have already played.

The winners from groups A,B,C and D play the runners up from E,F,G and H
The winners from E,F,G and H can play the runners up from A,B,C and D

Otherwise there would have been a chance of the last two teams in the draw having played in the same group.....


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 14, 2019, 18:27:26 pm
To guarantee that no team can meet the same group winner who they have already played.

The winners from groups A,B,C and D play the runners up from E,F,G and H
The winners from E,F,G and H can play the runners up from A,B,C and D

Otherwise there would have been a chance of the last two teams in the draw having played in the same group.....

50% chance of one of my (and Horsham's) preferences then...


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Air-Dan on November 14, 2019, 18:30:36 pm
Walsall clearly the best possible draw. The most local and we're better than them.

I'd imagine we'd beat Brighton too.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on November 14, 2019, 21:33:35 pm
50% chance of one of my (and Horsham's) preferences then...

Actually it has to be Brighton, Deepcut. No trains back to Horsham after an evening game at Pompey !


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: EB Claret on November 14, 2019, 21:52:54 pm
Actually it has to be Brighton, Deepcut. No trains back to Horsham after an evening game at Pompey !


Barely any trains back to anywhere after an evening game!


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 16, 2019, 13:42:08 pm
Portsmouth would be right up my street  :)
You got your wish. Pompey away it is.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on November 16, 2019, 16:13:54 pm
You got your wish. Pompey away it is.

Damn, the Horsham Cobblers will just have to drive it !


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 16, 2019, 17:11:40 pm
You got your wish. Pompey away it is.

'Home' game...  8)


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: clarkeysntfc on November 16, 2019, 20:29:45 pm
Most likely to be on the Wednesday due to the FA Cup being on Sunday.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: DrillingCobbler on November 16, 2019, 20:31:52 pm
I've jumped on the band wagon that week. Been trying to get Leicester tickets all season, and finally secured a couple for their home game versus Watford. Ill keep an eye eyt on the score if its on the same night!  ;D


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 25, 2019, 19:28:39 pm
Most likely to be on the Wednesday due to the FA Cup being on Sunday.

Surprisingly it didn't get moved to the Wednesday, so now we are playing Sunday pm and Tuesday evening. Probably different teams/squads granted, but with prize money on offer for both games its not like we can afford just to forget about this game......

So Pompey have a home game against Rotherham in the league tomorrow,  Altrincham at home in the Cup on Saturday, us in the EFL Trophy at home on Tuesday and then another home league game against the Posh on the Saturday.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: memyhead on November 25, 2019, 19:57:05 pm
Surprisingly it didn't get moved to the Wednesday, so now we are playing Sunday pm and Tuesday evening. Probably different teams/squads granted, but with prize money on offer for both games its not like we can afford just to forget about this game......

So Pompey have a home game against Rotherham in the league tomorrow,  Altrincham at home in the Cup on Saturday, us in the EFL Trophy at home on Tuesday and then another home league game against the Posh on the Saturday.

Play the first team v Notts as more of a priority (prize money & possibility of a decent draw IF we win)

Play fringe / youth v Pompey limiting the possibility of injuries to regular first team players...


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: NTFC87 on November 25, 2019, 20:26:05 pm
Play the first team v Notts as more of a priority (prize money & possibility of a decent draw IF we win)

Play fringe / youth v Pompey limiting the possibility of injuries to regular first team players...
aslong as we don't play full strength at pompey I couldn't care if we send our women's or multi disabled team it's a crap competition that's not worth the hassle. We got a good chance of fa cup 3rd round for first time in years and more cash should we get big prem team than we would even if we win sh1ty trophy


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: tcobb on November 25, 2019, 20:53:28 pm
If we lose to County we might have to put out a full strength team at Pompey. Lose to both and the chance to make any "big money " has gone. ;)


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: singcobb on November 26, 2019, 07:46:41 am
If we lose to County we might have to put out a full strength team at Pompey. Lose to both and the chance to make any "big money " has gone. ;)

Very true. However my main concern is that we get front line players injured in what is a pointless compeition, I would much rather that we put out the under 18 side for the Pompey game.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 26, 2019, 08:07:04 am
Very true. However my main concern is that we get front line players injured in what is a pointless compeition, I would much rather that we put out the under 18 side for the Pompey game.

Trouble is you HAVE to play a number of first team regulars in the "pointless" game......so there will be some players who are asked to play at least a part in both games.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 26, 2019, 08:30:44 am
From the Officials appointments list:

Portsmouth FC (First Team) v Northampton Town FC (Reserve Team)
EFL Trophy   Tue 3rd Dec 19
Referee:  Finnie, Will
Assistant Referee:  Webb, Michael
Assistant Referee:  Tranter, Adrian
Fourth Official:  Quelch, Adrian

Has someone already let slip that we won't be fielding our strongest team?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 26, 2019, 09:23:45 am
Use the FA Cup revenue to pay the EFL fine for playing an under strength side....genius!!  ;D


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: threeinabed on November 26, 2019, 09:30:45 am
Trouble is you HAVE to play a number of first team regulars in the "pointless" game......so there will be some players who are asked to play at least a part in both games.

is that still a ruling?


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 26, 2019, 09:47:02 am
is that still a ruling?


From the Football League website.....2019/20 EFL Trophy Rules.....

7 Players
7.1 In all rounds of the Competition a player shall be a “registered player” of his Club.
7.2 For the EFL Clubs, a registered player is one who:
7.2.1 would be registered and eligible to participate in a match in the League Competition for that EFL Club commencing at the same time and on the same date as the Match in accordance with the provisions of the Regulations; or
7.2.2 would be so eligible but for the fact that they are registered on a Long Term Loan at a club playing in the National League (National Division, North Division or South Division) but by the agreement of the Club, the National League club and the Player he has permission to return to play in this Competition.
7.3 Each EFL Club shall play its Full Available Strength in and during all Matches.  Full Available Strength means the EFL Club must include at least four Qualifying Players in the ten outfield Players named in the starting eleven on the Team Sheet.
7.4 Qualifying Player means any Player who:
7.4.1 had started the immediately preceding First Team Fixture (as defined below);
7.4.2 subsequently starts the immediately following First Team Fixture;
7.4.3 is in the list of ten Players at the Club with the highest number of starting appearances in First Team Fixtures in the same Season;
7.4.4 has made forty or more starting appearances in First Team Fixtures or international equivalents (and not limited to the same Club or Season); or
7.4.5 is on standard loan from a Premier League Club or any EFL Club operating a Category One Academy.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: threeinabed on November 26, 2019, 10:18:56 am
From the Football League website.....2019/20 EFL Trophy Rules.....

7 Players
7.1 In all rounds of the Competition a player shall be a “registered player” of his Club.
7.2 For the EFL Clubs, a registered player is one who:
7.2.1 would be registered and eligible to participate in a match in the League Competition for that EFL Club commencing at the same time and on the same date as the Match in accordance with the provisions of the Regulations; or
7.2.2 would be so eligible but for the fact that they are registered on a Long Term Loan at a club playing in the National League (National Division, North Division or South Division) but by the agreement of the Club, the National League club and the Player he has permission to return to play in this Competition.
7.3 Each EFL Club shall play its Full Available Strength in and during all Matches.  Full Available Strength means the EFL Club must include at least four Qualifying Players in the ten outfield Players named in the starting eleven on the Team Sheet.
7.4 Qualifying Player means any Player who:
7.4.1 had started the immediately preceding First Team Fixture (as defined below);
7.4.2 subsequently starts the immediately following First Team Fixture;
7.4.3 is in the list of ten Players at the Club with the highest number of starting appearances in First Team Fixtures in the same Season;
7.4.4 has made forty or more starting appearances in First Team Fixtures or international equivalents (and not limited to the same Club or Season); or
7.4.5 is on standard loan from a Premier League Club or any EFL Club operating a Category One Academy.

i think there is a lot more scope for getting around the problem of "4 qualifying players"...................i thought they had scraped all this completely - obviously not.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: singcobb on November 26, 2019, 16:40:14 pm
From the Football League website.....2019/20 EFL Trophy Rules.....

7 Players
7.1 In all rounds of the Competition a player shall be a “registered player” of his Club.
7.2 For the EFL Clubs, a registered player is one who:
7.2.1 would be registered and eligible to participate in a match in the League Competition for that EFL Club commencing at the same time and on the same date as the Match in accordance with the provisions of the Regulations; or
7.2.2 would be so eligible but for the fact that they are registered on a Long Term Loan at a club playing in the National League (National Division, North Division or South Division) but by the agreement of the Club, the National League club and the Player he has permission to return to play in this Competition.
7.3 Each EFL Club shall play its Full Available Strength in and during all Matches.  Full Available Strength means the EFL Club must include at least four Qualifying Players in the ten outfield Players named in the starting eleven on the Team Sheet.
7.4 Qualifying Player means any Player who:
7.4.1 had started the immediately preceding First Team Fixture (as defined below);
7.4.2 subsequently starts the immediately following First Team Fixture;
7.4.3 is in the list of ten Players at the Club with the highest number of starting appearances in First Team Fixtures in the same Season;
7.4.4 has made forty or more starting appearances in First Team Fixtures or international equivalents (and not limited to the same Club or Season); or
7.4.5 is on standard loan from a Premier League Club or any EFL Club operating a Category One Academy.

To me this looks like rules made up by organisers who know they are running a Mickey Mouse competition.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: guest3086 on November 26, 2019, 16:59:03 pm
7.4.9 is known in a list of four Players at the Club with the highest incident rate of using language unsuitable for the folk who prepare meals for soldiers injured in battle caused by tomohawks in Sweden during the English Civil War.


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: everbrite on November 26, 2019, 17:47:06 pm
If we lose to County we might have to put out a full strength team at Pompey. Lose to both and the chance to make any "big money " has gone. ;)

Precisely - a win against Pompey is worth good money too; which you hinted as well


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 03, 2019, 08:51:31 am
For those of us attending this evening:
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-to-make-wholesale-changes-for-trophy-trip-to-portsmouth-1-9161874


Title: Re: EFL Trophy 2019-20 Season
Post by: CobblerForever on December 03, 2019, 10:16:59 am
iPlayer for me. Isn't there a rail strike (South Western Trains) on down there just to make it more congested if you do travel (one way or another).