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Title: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Aitobs on August 11, 2019, 19:16:44 pm
Cobblers take on Swansea City of the Championship at the Liberty Stadium on Tuesday in the First Round of the League Cup.

Former Cobblers loanee Matt Grimes has recently been named captain of Swansea and may start against us.

We have been knocked out in the First Round of the League Cup in the past two seasons.

Injury-wise, we are missing Steve Arnold, Vadaine Oliver and Alan McCormack.

Kick-off is at 7.45pm.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 11, 2019, 20:34:30 pm
Best of luck to anybody that travels. I cant imagine that there will be many.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 12, 2019, 11:18:51 am
Interesting to see who gets game time in this one .
I would like to see Pollock involved and Roberts .


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on August 12, 2019, 13:07:14 pm
Shaun McWilliams, Turnbull and Pollock definitely. Maybe Bunney, Morias and Roberts.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: sixfields starling on August 12, 2019, 21:15:13 pm
My son and i leaving work at 3pm and heading down, hoping for a hassle free run . First time to the liberty for me and more than likely won't be playing them again for a while, so fancied this one. Hope we can put in a performance and make a game of it, would certainly make the journey back more pleasurable. Come on lads.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: SadOldGit on August 12, 2019, 21:48:00 pm
My son and i leaving work at 3pm and heading down, hoping for a hassle free run . First time to the liberty for me and more than likely won't be playing them again for a while, so fancied this one. Hope we can put in a performance and make a game of it, would certainly make the journey back more pleasurable. Come on lads.

Good effort guys. Everbite won't be there, that is for sure.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 12, 2019, 22:15:53 pm
Good effort guys. Everbite won't be there, that is for sure.

Fixation you have old son; your right  - have stinking cold.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 12, 2019, 22:33:53 pm
Good effort guys. Everbite won't be there, that is for sure.
Probably not. But Lee Geary will. And Andy Greig. And most likely, the enigmatic, foul mouthed, raincoat wearing, brolly swinger. (with the big boots).


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 13, 2019, 07:19:26 am
Probably not. But Lee Geary will. And Andy Greig. And most likely, the enigmatic, foul mouthed, raincoat wearing, brolly swinger. (with the big boots).

When did you last go to an away game?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Dan on August 13, 2019, 13:55:00 pm
Mad respect for anyone who travels to this.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 13, 2019, 15:39:26 pm
Been here all day, lovely beach...  8)


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 13, 2019, 16:34:29 pm
Going 3-0 Swans here..


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Larry on August 13, 2019, 17:31:57 pm
Going 3-0 Swans here..
I reckon it was 3-0 Swans last time. 0-1 us this time - Turnbull with a header


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: bwills on August 13, 2019, 18:25:43 pm
Does anyone know if the match is being shown on ifollow ? as opposed to just the commentary .

0-1 cobblers, last minute retaken free kick 🤔👍


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: CobblerForever on August 13, 2019, 18:51:15 pm
Does anyone know if the match is being shown on ifollow ? as opposed to just the commentary .

0-1 cobblers, last minute retaken free kick 🤔👍

No it isn't;

https://www.efl.com/broadcast-schedule/

select league 2 and Northampton.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: bwills on August 13, 2019, 18:52:34 pm
Shame, many thanks


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Teachers Pet on August 13, 2019, 19:11:26 pm
Team -

Cornell; J Williams, Turnbull, Wharton; S.McWilliams, Watson, Warburton, Bunney; Hoskins, Waters, A.Williams.

Subs- Smith, Pollock, Lines, Oliver, Roberts, Morias, Lashley. 


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Teachers Pet on August 13, 2019, 19:13:32 pm
Ryan Watson is tonight's captain with Goode and Adams both rested.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 13, 2019, 19:19:48 pm
Hoskins even starts in the cup game ! Untouchable .....
Would have liked to have seen Pollock start but good luck in the game lads


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 13, 2019, 19:26:19 pm
When did you last go to an away game?
I see that your obsession with actually going, is returning.
But in answer to your question, (Sileby aside), 0ldham 04-05-2019. Or to put it another way, the last but one. I told you this after the game, on the match thread, and advised you that, I was wearing the vintage "Carpet Supercenta" shirt. Remember now?
This is just like talking to my mum.  :D


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Baldy on August 13, 2019, 19:29:08 pm
We've got this game in the bag.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ntfclad on August 13, 2019, 19:51:09 pm
Have heard the Cobblers fans throughout so far, brilliant effort


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Clarity on August 13, 2019, 19:52:11 pm
We've got this game in the bag.
More chance of your hair growing back


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Baldy on August 13, 2019, 20:03:01 pm
More chance of your hair growing back
;D


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Bugbrooke Boy on August 13, 2019, 20:20:42 pm
5 Live summariser just said Swansea were edging closer to an equaliser. How much do these people get paid to watch football without getting the score right?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Bugbrooke Boy on August 13, 2019, 20:24:30 pm
No defenders on the bench


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Bugbrooke Boy on August 13, 2019, 20:32:14 pm
It's all set up for a last gasp winner, but when do we ever get last minute winners against Swansea?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on August 13, 2019, 20:39:12 pm
Marc Richards scores for Cambridge at Brentford !


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 13, 2019, 20:51:45 pm
This is our lads and lasses tonight. Well done to you all.

(https://cdn.fanbanter.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/EB3vZo3WwAMZfA3.jpeg)


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Clarity on August 13, 2019, 21:05:52 pm
1 0 Waters yay


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Baldy on August 13, 2019, 21:06:53 pm
Ge in there!!!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Teachers Pet on August 13, 2019, 21:07:57 pm
1 0 Waters yay

Warburton


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: CobblerForever on August 13, 2019, 21:18:50 pm
More chance of your hair growing back

Baldy's hair grows back !


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Baldy on August 13, 2019, 21:22:32 pm
Sack 'em all!!!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: JollyCobbler on August 13, 2019, 21:22:45 pm
5 Live summariser just said Swansea were edging closer to an equaliser. How much do these people get paid to watch football without getting the score right?

 ::) :P ;D


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Baldy on August 13, 2019, 21:26:00 pm
I'm off to bed!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Bugbrooke Boy on August 13, 2019, 21:27:06 pm
Oh dear Mr Cornell


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 13, 2019, 21:27:29 pm
Checking in from Amarillo.....it was all going so well!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: 1971cobbler on August 13, 2019, 21:28:07 pm
Looks like Cornell could have done better with both of those.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 13, 2019, 21:28:42 pm
Absolutely awful from Cornell.

Twice.

What a useless ****


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: sxcobbler on August 13, 2019, 21:30:18 pm
Just seen their second....Cornell beaten from distance again, got to be saving that !


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: sxcobbler on August 13, 2019, 21:31:08 pm
3 now !


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Clarity on August 13, 2019, 21:32:07 pm
Doing well until he made all the substitutions


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 13, 2019, 21:32:21 pm
Seems like our work on defending corners is non existent.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 13, 2019, 21:32:39 pm
Just seen their second....Cornell beaten from distance again, got to be saving that !

First was worse.
Embarrassing.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: bungle on August 13, 2019, 21:33:34 pm
Seems like our work on defending corners is non existent.


4 goals conceded from corners in 3 games...


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: cobblerwatch on August 13, 2019, 21:42:59 pm
Well Iím the first to admit I know FA about defending but I hear far more negatives about zonal marking than positives


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Dan on August 13, 2019, 21:43:31 pm
Great substitutions  by Curle it would appear. Equally good defending and goalkeeping...:

A mate who was there tonight did say it was a much improved performance on the whole though, so hopefully the league season can finally kick off now. Safe journey back to all who went.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Clarity on August 13, 2019, 21:50:56 pm
Warburton
Apologies Tim Oglethorpe for you


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Clarity on August 13, 2019, 21:51:47 pm
Baldy's hair grows back !
Then falls out again


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 13, 2019, 21:52:55 pm
Who says pre season friendlies cont count for anything ?
Against Sheffield Wednesday our defending at corners was quite simply embarrassing . It hasnít been sorted out since and fingers need pointing at Curle and West


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: corno_ntfc on August 13, 2019, 22:05:28 pm
Doing well until he made all the substitutions

100% this

Looks like Cornell could have done better with both of those.

Made some excellent saves as they piled the pressure on prior to these though

However in real time I certainly felt he was at fault for the first.  Will need to watch it back.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 13, 2019, 22:14:16 pm
Great substitutions  by Curle it would appear. Equally good defending and goalkeeping...:

A mate who was there tonight did say it was a much improved performance on the whole though, so hopefully the league season can finally kick off now. Safe journey back to all who went.


The commentators said as much with Warburton best of the bunch. Turnbull and Wharton came in for praise. Cornell was lauded for his saves but commentators questioned one of the goals which was partly caused by Roberts sliced clearance. 3 Beds and Sussex very quick to blame Goalie but they werenít there so I wait for opinions from people there.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 13, 2019, 22:17:04 pm
................quite simply embarrassing . It hasnít been sorted out since and fingers need pointing at Curle and West

Fingers hopefully will be pointed at you soon ::)


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 13, 2019, 22:24:16 pm
Fingers hopefully will be pointed at you soon ::)
So you are happy that we roll over at corners every single game without fail ?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 13, 2019, 22:34:06 pm
Well Iím the first to admit I know FA about defending but I hear far more negatives about zonal marking than positives

Donít comment if you know FA ::)


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 13, 2019, 22:37:54 pm
So you are happy that we roll over at corners every single game without fail ?

In your phraseology donít be a Ďpratí


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: canvey cobbler on August 13, 2019, 23:03:24 pm
Turning point tonight was when Smith replaced Williams when we were leading 1-0 and playing well. We were compact and playing through midfield . As soon as Smith comes on we started lumping it foword.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 13, 2019, 23:06:03 pm
Taxi for Curlio if Maccs beat us


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: sxcobbler on August 13, 2019, 23:26:13 pm


The commentators said as much with Warburton best of the bunch. Turnbull and Wharton came in for praise. Cornell was lauded for his saves but commentators questioned one of the goals which was partly caused by Roberts sliced clearance. 3 Beds and Sussex very quick to blame Goalie but they werenít there so I wait for opinions from people there.

To be fair ,,,,,I think you probably get a better view through watching it immediately replayed on Sky Sports TV than if you were at the game.....and you can watch it over again.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 14, 2019, 00:09:31 am
Couldn't really see what happened for the first, it was at the other end. It looked like Roberts sliced or cleared it against his own player, Cornell rushed out to try and retrieve the situation but was beaten to it by the Swansea player?
Need to watch it again on the box.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: JollyCobbler on August 14, 2019, 00:32:55 am
Donít comment if you know FA ::)

It doesn't ever seem to stop you! ;D


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Lukey on August 14, 2019, 04:47:32 am
That's enough for me now.

I can't continue to pay money out just to watch us lose,
I could have had roast duck with Chinese straw mushrooms from Lee's Cottage,
I could have called Lola Knight on Studio66 for a chat,
Instead i got no food, I got no chat,
I got cold, I seen us lose a Carabao cup game that we really should have won,
Throw in travel expenses and I'm about £130 down,
Add admission and travel expenses for our first 3 games this season and i'm nearer £300 down,

Until we win at least 2 league games I won't be attending, football fans may be fickle but we also know when to stop chucking good money after bad.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 14, 2019, 07:30:27 am
Taxi for Curlio if Maccs beat us
Put it this way , I can see why he has never had any promotions as a manager .


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 14, 2019, 07:55:38 am
Turning point tonight was when Smith replaced Williams when we were leading 1-0 and playing well. We were compact and playing through midfield . As soon as Smith comes on we started lumping it foword.
In Curleís own words ď we were excellent for 75 or 80 minutes ď .
Why then Keith did you change it ??
As for the criticism of Cornell - the two open play goals were defensive errors and not goalkeeping errors . The shot from outside the box was not closed down at all and the other one was a howler clearance . In amongst that there were two excellent saves .


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 14, 2019, 08:11:09 am
In Curleís own words ď we were excellent for 75 or 80 minutes ď .
Why then Keith did you change it ??
As for the criticism of Cornell - the two open play goals were defensive errors and not goalkeeping errors . The shot from outside the box was not closed down at all and the other one was a howler clearance . In amongst that there were two excellent saves .

so the missed punch and the one through his hands weren't goalkeeping errors?

former goalkeeper Matt Murray would disagree with you, and he did!



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 14, 2019, 08:16:25 am

4 goals conceded from corners in 3 games...

3 from 3

but i get your point - the zonal marking is a joke

it's why most teams don't do it

curle (just like JFH) is too stubborn


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Cordwainer2 on August 14, 2019, 08:22:35 am
That's enough for me now.

I can't continue to pay money out just to watch us lose,
I could have had roast duck with Chinese straw mushrooms from Lee's Cottage,
I could have called Lola Knight on Studio66 for a chat,
Instead i got no food, I got no chat,
I got cold, I seen us lose a Carabao cup game that we really should have won,
Throw in travel expenses and I'm about £130 down,
Add admission and travel expenses for our first 3 games this season and i'm nearer £300 down,

Until we win at least 2 league games I won't be attending, football fans may be fickle but we also know when to stop chucking good money after bad.
If a winning team is a requirement of a team worthy of your support, why pick the Cobblers?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 14, 2019, 08:37:40 am
so the missed punch and the one through his hands weren't goalkeeping errors?

former goalkeeper Matt Murray would disagree with you, and he did!


I repeat - both goals were down to outfield defensive errors - non negotiable .
None of the goals conceded were down to the goalkeeper.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2019, 08:43:44 am
so the missed punch and the one through his hands weren't goalkeeping errors?

former goalkeeper Matt Murray would disagree with you, and he did!



As would most. Defence also poor but to say neither was down to the keeper is questionable.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Irchy cob on August 14, 2019, 08:48:55 am
Itís interesting to read all of the reports/reactions on here - according to James Heneghan there wasnít much to the game first half, we defended really well (until the 80th minute) against a decent championship side (who brought an £18 million striker on) and we created chances. Iíd rather focus on the positives/small building blocks in that warburton got off the mark and it sounds like he played pretty well, Wharton sounds like he is settling in and will form a good partnership with Goode and we defended well until the substitutions. I agree that Curleís subs and tactical changes are a bit concerning and we canít seem to defend a corner to save our lives (even using zonal marking weíve got more than enough players 6ft plus to deal with them) and the game on Saturday against an in form Macclesfield is now a big match.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: mr3teas on August 14, 2019, 08:50:50 am
Look at Cornell positioning again to far off his line


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 14, 2019, 09:18:13 am
As would most. Defence also poor but to say neither was down to the keeper is questionable.

questionable at best

i would be very dissappointed with a sunday league keeper letting those in


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 14, 2019, 09:19:14 am
None of the goals conceded were down to the goalkeeper.

other than the first 2, you are right.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Manwork04 on August 14, 2019, 09:26:05 am
That's enough for me now.

I can't continue to pay money out just to watch us lose,
I could have had roast duck with Chinese straw mushrooms from Lee's Cottage,
I could have called Lola Knight on Studio66 for a chat,
Instead i got no food, I got no chat,
I got cold, I seen us lose a Carabao cup game that we really should have won,
Throw in travel expenses and I'm about £130 down,
Add admission and travel expenses for our first 3 games this season and i'm nearer £300 down,

Until we win at least 2 league games I won't be attending, football fans may be fickle but we also know when to stop chucking good money after bad.
You wonít be missed.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: guest2677 on August 14, 2019, 09:35:00 am
From the highlights.
Thought Warburton took his goal well.
Their first. A sliced clearance from Roberts (I would question why Curle put him on) but if Cornell comes for the ball he has to make it. Did he need to?
Their second. Seems like Cornell could have done better, though it may have taken a deflection and the strike could have been closed down quicker. Dai didn't seem to protest too much after the ball hit the back of the net which could be the key.
Their third. The guy who got the first header from the corner was moving onto the ball over a static defender who was out jumped. (Lines?).
Those three goals could all have been scored by a league two side like Macclesfield.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: memyhead on August 14, 2019, 09:48:25 am
Anyone hear the post match ramblings on Radio Northampton?

Summariser Pete Walton commented, whilst KT was speaking to KC pitch side after the match, that KT was probably pestering KC to sign a contract extension - pronto"!

What an absolute bell...why would he be offered a contract extension atm?

KC has simply got this season to prove himself & finally get a promotion on his CV...if not we can release him at the end of this season without any sort of pay off



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Irchy cob on August 14, 2019, 10:01:37 am
Anyone hear the post match ramblings on Radio Northampton?

Summariser Pete Walton commented, whilst KT was speaking to KC pitch side after the match, that KT was probably pestering KC to sign a contract extension - pronto"!

What an absolute bell...why would he be offered a contract extension atm?

KC has simply got this season to prove himself & finally get a promotion on his CV...if not we can release him at the end of this season without any sort of pay off



Hopefully he was pestering KT for a couple more signings that we badly need (I agree that there is an awful lot of waffle both pre and post match on radio Northampton).


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on August 14, 2019, 10:03:11 am
For me having not got into the ground until circa 20 mins had elapsed because of the farce of a ticket office I thought we played pretty well for circa 80 minutes, we looked creative going forward, Jay and Sean did not look out of place and I thought Waters showed what he is capable of, even Hoskins had a reasonable game although end product still questionable. Curle was already preparing the Subs when we scored, the big question is why did he still proceed and change it. We lost all fluidity, creativity and got me Smith has now done nothing in the 2 league games and 2 friendliest Iíve watched. Curle obviously though we could defend the lead and clearly he got that very wrong, instead of taking the game to them we were immediately on the back foot. I find this concerning, we need a more positive approach if we are to achieve anything this season. I actually think Waters deserves a run in the Team after last night and got me Williams should be starting ahead of Smith. Cornell made some excellent saves but perhaps should have done better with at least one of the goals, he doesnít command the air as evidenced by the flailing hand rather than a strong punch last night. He is still too likely to allow a shot through as well. Shame because we gave a good account of ourselves for 70 mins or so and then Tinkerman totally destroyed thx dvenjnf


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 10:03:36 am
so the missed punch and the one through his hands weren't goalkeeping errors?

former goalkeeper Matt Murray would disagree with you, and he did!



The commentators donít exactly agree with you!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 14, 2019, 10:12:52 am
If , every time a goal goes in at division 2 level the goalkeeperís reaction and positioning is solely taken into account in terms of culpability then 90% of the goals will be the keeperís fault !!
You really do need to look at the passages of play before the ball crosses the line .
On a positive note , it sounded like Waters had a decent game last night and great to see Warburton score a well worked goal .


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Morleyhill on August 14, 2019, 10:13:39 am
It was a strange game for eighty minutes it was enjoyable.
We defended well and seemed set for a win.
Thought we took a decent amount for a long Tuesday night game and the atmosphere in the away end was entertaining then it all went wrong.
The positives were Scott Whartonís strong performance. I also thought McWilliams and Watson did the defensive side of the midfield work well.
The negatives were that the substitutions were ineffective Warburton had been our most positive attacking player and young Roberts had a disastrous time.
Cornell is a funny keeper if he is set and ready he is capable of fine saves he made one last night and he is a decent penalty stopper but his decision making is frequently poor and often seems surprised by shots from outside the box that go straight through him.This is why he is always going to divide opinions.My own take is Iíd prefer a more consistent custodian.
Hoping Macc are as poor as last season as a first win is now very important.



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 14, 2019, 10:16:46 am
The commentators donít exactly agree with you!

on radio northampton? and pete walton?

thank god.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 11:08:44 am
on radio northampton? and pete walton?

thank god.


If there is a choice between Radio Npton and your wild and unpredictable opinionís would take more notice of esteemed Radio NTFC or even B&S at a pinch!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 14, 2019, 11:15:24 am
If there is a choice between Radio Npton and your wild and unpredictable opinionís would take more notice of esteemed Radio NTFC or even B&S at a pinch!

game of opinions

if you think that both goals are in no part cornells fault then thats your opinion. thats fine.

but i would like a keeper who doesnt let in those goals - rash and ultimately bad decision for the first, and just general poor hands / shot stopping for the second.



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Monkey on August 14, 2019, 11:22:47 am


but i would like a keeper who doesnt let in those goals


I'd like to be able to dispense spiced rum from my finger tips (and a Mr Frosty machine if you're writing down birthday present ideas).


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Ed on August 14, 2019, 11:53:06 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VGp_t5LbYk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VGp_t5LbYk)


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Alfred on August 14, 2019, 13:03:32 pm
I repeat - both goals were down to outfield defensive errors - non negotiable .
None of the goals conceded were down to the goalkeeper.


Yes they were,  which is a shame as DC looked very good until that point.



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Alfred on August 14, 2019, 13:08:34 pm
The worse part of last night game was the treatment of Morgan Roberts after his mistake,  when on his knees distraught.... not one of his team's mates went over to him and picked him up .... then once in ear shot his Manager have him both barrels

For this alone my view on KFC being a grade A Sh1thouse is confirmed, 


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 14, 2019, 13:21:08 pm
game of opinions

if you think that both goals are in no part cornells fault then thats your opinion. thats fine.

but i would like a keeper who doesnt let in those goals - rash and ultimately bad decision for the first, and just general poor hands / shot stopping for the second.


Yep , and add to that defenders that close down and tackle , midfielders that donít give the ball away and forwards that hit the target every time .
Sadly none of us support Manchester City .


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 13:32:44 pm
Quote from: Alfred link=topic=18614.msg393827#msg393827 date=
... not one of his team's mates went over to him and picked him up .... then once in ear shot his Manager have him both barrels

For this alone my view on KFC being a grade A Sh1thouse is confirmed, 

One of the commentators mentioned Cornell did. Presumably you missed that?  You hardly need to confirm your dislike of KC as you have previously advised this


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Clarity on August 14, 2019, 13:42:25 pm
The worse part of last night game was the treatment of Morgan Roberts after his mistake,  when on his knees distraught.... not one of his team's mates went over to him and picked him up .... then once in ear shot his Manager have him both barrels

For this alone my view on KFC being a grade A Sh1thouse is confirmed, 
I saw the highlights on I follow and Sean McWilliams really lays into Roberts whilst still on his knees


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 14, 2019, 13:47:15 pm
Yep , and add to that defenders that close down and tackle , midfielders that donít give the ball away and forwards that hit the target every time .
Sadly none of us support Manchester City .

nope but i expect defenders to win 80/20 tackles in their favour, midfielders to make 5 yard passes sideways and forwards that hit the target with an open goal - same as i expect my keeper not to come to punch a ball he gets nowhere near, or to let a shot straight at him go through his hands.

dont think we have to be a man city fan for that.



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 14, 2019, 13:48:05 pm
One of the commentators mentioned Cornell did. Presumably you missed that?  You hardly need to confirm your dislike of KC as you have previously advised this

cornell was first to berate him - quite animated as well.

good of him to pick him up, if he did after he had slated him for making him charge of his line to punch thin air.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 13:49:39 pm
I see that your obsession with actually going, is returning.
But in answer to your question, (Sileby aside), 0ldham 04-05-2019. Or to put it another way, the last but one. I told you this after the game, on the match thread, and advised you that, I was wearing the vintage "Carpet Supercenta" shirt. Remember now?
This is just like talking to my mum.  :D

No obsession as you put it.  You miss the point as posting controversial comments when actually not present leaves your judgement Ďslightlyí suspect. By all means express yr opinions whether there or not. Just be prepared to face contrary opinions. Itís hard I know!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 14:07:53 pm
nope but i expect defenders to win 80/20 tackles in their favour, midfielders to make 5 yard passes sideways and forwards that hit the target with an open goal - same as i expect my keeper not to come to punch a ball he gets nowhere near, or to let a shot straight at him go through his hands.

dont think we have to be a man city fan for that.



Your argument appears so one sided. From the videos Roberts skied the ball; Cornell came out to challenge for the ball as he clearly saw the danger ::) Hindsight is your main stay argument. I will not comment on the validity of Cornellís actions but prefer to heed of those there!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 14, 2019, 14:10:40 pm
If , every time a goal goes in at division 2 level the goalkeeperís reaction and positioning is solely taken into account in terms of culpability then 90% of the goals will be the keeperís fault !!
You really do need to look at the passages of play before the ball crosses the line .
On a positive note , it sounded like Waters had a decent game last night and great to see Warburton score a well worked goal .

Absolute nonsense. I'm not even sure you believe that yourself, it's a ridiculous statement.

I keep seeing on here posters excusing Cornell with the 'just a League 2 keeper' argument, but never putting forward such a defense of any of our outfield players.

Cornell is badly at fault for the first two goals. The defence restricted Swansea to no more than a couple of 'meaningful' attempts on target prior to the first goal, which regardless of the initial bad clearance, wouldn't have been scored if Cornell had simply done his job in goal. Simply put, the first goal was scored when there was not even a 'meaningful' chance for Swansea.

The second is simply poor 'keeping. This would be considered poor 'keeping in the National League.

The stats show that Cornell was in the bottom few performing goalkeepers in League 2 last season and the two mistakes last night are simply more additions to his long list of glaring errors, and are indicative of why his stats are so poor.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 14:28:51 pm
Absolute nonsense. I'm not even sure you believe that yourself, it's a ridiculous statement.

I keep seeing on here posters excusing Cornell with the 'just a League 2 keeper' argument, but never putting forward such a defense of any of our outfield players.

Cornell is badly at fault for the first two goals. The defence restricted Swansea to no more than a couple of 'meaningful' attempts on target prior to the first goal, which regardless of the initial bad clearance, wouldn't have been scored if Cornell had simply done his job in goal. Simply put, the first goal was scored when there was not even a 'meaningful' chance for Swansea.

The second is simply poor 'keeping. This would be considered poor 'keeping in the National League.

The stats show that Cornell was in the bottom few performing goalkeepers in League 2 last season and the two mistakes last night are simply more additions to his long list of glaring errors, and are indicative of why his stats are so poor.

If only you could were KCís  keeper coach.....if only ::) Hindsight rules!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Alfred on August 14, 2019, 14:54:54 pm
One of the commentators mentioned Cornell did. Presumably you missed that?  You hardly need to confirm your dislike of KC as you have previously advised this

i watched with my own eyes .... it was a disgrace he was left for so long.

You hardly need to comment on my dislike for KFC,  but each to their own.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: SadOldGit on August 14, 2019, 14:56:28 pm
Everight. Devil or Curle advocate?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: runningcobbler on August 14, 2019, 15:00:50 pm
I saw the highlights on I follow and Sean McWilliams really lays into Roberts whilst still on his knees

I also noticed this straight away, which I found strange because if I remember right, when McWilliams was first coming onto the scene, I remember him coming on as a sub, giving the ball away with his first touch and the other team scoring. Think it was Fleetwood at home.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: CobblerForever on August 14, 2019, 15:14:38 pm
On the Curle issue (berating players who have made mistakes) we need to remember that he was brought in by KT to get tough on the players.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 14, 2019, 15:25:12 pm
Your argument appears so one sided. From the videos Roberts skied the ball; Cornell came out to challenge for the ball as he clearly saw the danger ::) Hindsight is your main stay argument. I will not comment on the validity of Cornellís actions but prefer to heed of those there!

did those there see something different to what is being shown on TV then?!

this really is a conspiracy.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 14, 2019, 15:27:07 pm
On the Curle issue (berating players who have made mistakes) we need to remember that he was brought in by KT to get tough on the players.

which i think are those he kicked out the door!?

a youngster trying to make his way in the game possibly doesnt need the same treatment?!

although in curle we trust.

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Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Irchy cob on August 14, 2019, 15:35:11 pm
which i think are those he kicked out the door!?

a youngster trying to make his way in the game possibly doesnt need the same treatment?!

although in curle we trust.

no promotions to date......................

Iím not a big fan of berating any player (especially a youngster) for making a mistake but itís not tiddlywinks and the argument kind of stumbles when another youngster and presumably his mate (Sean McWilliams) is one of the first to dig him out. Itís probably one of those where if you were a colleague who had defended well and put your body on the line for the previous 79 minutes it would be very frustrating to concede such a soft goal. In any case I wouldnít be heaping all the blame on Roberts as Cornell went a bit kamikaze if you ask me.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: cobblerwatch on August 14, 2019, 15:58:46 pm
Iím not a big fan of berating any player (especially a youngster) for making a mistake but itís not tiddlywinks and the argument kind of stumbles when another youngster and presumably his mate (Sean McWilliams) is one of the first to dig him out. Itís probably one of those where if you were a colleague who had defended well and put your body on the line for the previous 79 minutes it would be very frustrating to concede such a soft goal. In any case I wouldnít be heaping all the blame on Roberts as Cornell went a bit kamikaze if you ask me.

Correct - it was a miss kick by the youngster - unfortunate but shouldnít be wearing a badge of shame for it other than an initial (understandable) reaction from a couple of players on our side.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 14, 2019, 16:01:55 pm
Absolute nonsense. I'm not even sure you believe that yourself, it's a ridiculous statement.

I keep seeing on here posters excusing Cornell with the 'just a League 2 keeper' argument, but never putting forward such a defense of any of our outfield players.

Cornell is badly at fault for the first two goals. The defence restricted Swansea to no more than a couple of 'meaningful' attempts on target prior to the first goal, which regardless of the initial bad clearance, wouldn't have been scored if Cornell had simply done his job in goal. Simply put, the first goal was scored when there was not even a 'meaningful' chance for Swansea.

The second is simply poor 'keeping. This would be considered poor 'keeping in the National League.

The stats show that Cornell was in the bottom few performing goalkeepers in League 2 last season and the two mistakes last night are simply more additions to his long list of glaring errors, and are indicative of why his stats are so poor.
The usual standard of verbose ramblings from Clarence who I think once read a book on football coaching.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 14, 2019, 16:43:19 pm
If only you could were KCís  keeper coach.....if only ::) Hindsight rules!

A well-thought out, reasoned response.

I'll take this as a sign that you know my post is spot on.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 14, 2019, 16:45:43 pm
The usual standard of verbose ramblings from Clarence who I think once read a book on football coaching.

The usual pithy insult from board-police and self-appointed 'Hotel End football expert' B&S when he is challenged on one of his statements opinions.

I'll take your response as an indication you know I'm spot on with my post as well.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Teachers Pet on August 14, 2019, 16:46:32 pm
Correct - it was a miss kick by the youngster - unfortunate but shouldnít be wearing a badge of shame for it other than an initial (understandable) reaction from a couple of players on our side.

Didn't Curle say that last season there was a bad luck attitude at the club? In other words a player makes a mistake and the other players say "bad luck old boy". The player then makes another mistake and on and on we go.

If someone makes a mistake they need to know about it so hopefully it doesn't happen again, all good teams have that must do better attitude.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 14, 2019, 16:50:17 pm
Didn't Curle say that last season there was a bad luck attitude at the club?In other words a player makes a mistake and the other players say "bad luck old boy". The player then makes another mistake and on and on we go.

If someone makes a mistake they need to know about it so hopefully it doesn't happen again, all good teams have that must do better attitude.

Exactly - Cornell, a keeper with almost the worst shots saves percentage in the division, won player of the season because of that attitude!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on August 14, 2019, 16:52:33 pm


The stats show that Cornell was in the bottom few performing goalkeepers in League 2 last season and the two mistakes last night are simply more additions to his long list of glaring errors, and are indicative of why his stats are so poor.

Where are stats available on League 2 keepers? Would be genuinely interested to see them. Agree that Cornell was partially at fault for first goal and should have done better with second goal last night, having seen highlights, but I also think that people are very quick to jump on the mistakes he makes, which are, in my opinion no more frequent than many of our more highly rated goalkeepers of the past. Didn't have a great game last night overall, but I think you would have to go back quite a few games to find anything similar from him.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 17:03:46 pm
A well-thought out, reasoned response.

I'll take this as a sign that you know my post is spot on.

Dream on - you speak for all man kind!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 17:07:30 pm
I also noticed this straight away, which I found strange because if I remember right, when McWilliams was first coming onto the scene, I remember him coming on as a sub, giving the ball away with his first touch and the other team scoring. Think it was Fleetwood at home.

What actually did SMc say to him ; like a few others they all heard word for word ::)  ....?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Teachers Pet on August 14, 2019, 17:22:07 pm
Official attendance at last nights game was 8058 although it doesn't state how many Cobblers fans were at the game, this is from the Swansea City website. However, on the NTFC website it says the attendance was not confirmed  ???


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: canvey cobbler on August 14, 2019, 18:15:12 pm
I'd take a quess at about 300 cobblers!!!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 14, 2019, 18:17:01 pm
Exactly - Cornell, a keeper with almost the worst shots saves percentage in the division, won player of the season because of that attitude!
ď the worst shot / saves percentage in the division ď ?
Who says so ?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: guest2677 on August 14, 2019, 18:37:41 pm
Where are stats available on League 2 keepers? Would be genuinely interested to see them. Agree that Cornell was partially at fault for first goal and should have done better with second goal last night, having seen highlights, but I also think that people are very quick to jump on the mistakes he makes, which are, in my opinion no more frequent than many of our more highly rated goalkeepers of the past. Didn't have a great game last night overall, but I think you would have to go back quite a few games to find anything similar from him.
According to footstats (sorry, I cant do the link) there was 494 attempts at our goal last season. 180 of those were deemed on target with 63 resulting in goals.
Clarence has latched on to the ratio of on target shots to goals I think to come to his conclusion that Cornell is crap. I prefer to judge with my eyes.
B/s.  We conceded 3.91 shots on target per game av and 1.37 goals per match last season. Whether or not that amounts to the worst ratio in the division im not sure, there is no column for that, but I'm guessing Clarence might have extrapolated that ( unless the figures are evident elsewhere) in his desire to crucify Cornell.
Question for anyone. Does a blocked (by outfield player) on target shot count as an on target shot for statistical purposes?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 14, 2019, 18:55:23 pm
ď the worst shot / saves percentage in the division ď ?
Who says so ?

To reiterate, I said 'almost' the worst.

Link:

http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=league_shots_perc


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 14, 2019, 18:55:45 pm
According to footstats (sorry, I cant do the link) there was 494 attempts at our goal last season. 180 of those were deemed on target with 63 resulting in goals.
Clarence has latched on to the ratio of on target shots to goals I think to come to his conclusion that Cornell is crap. I prefer to judge with my eyes.
B/s.  We conceded 3.91 shots on target per game av and 1.37 goals per match last season. Whether or not that amounts to the worst ratio in the division im not sure, there is no column for that, but I'm guessing Clarence might have extrapolated that ( unless the figures are evident elsewhere) in his desire to crucify Cornell.
Question for anyone. Does a blocked (by outfield player) on target shot count as an on target shot for statistical purposes?
Thank you .
As usual , dubious statistics manipulated to suit an argument that was weak in the first place .
Under the same terms of judgement , their keeper should have saved our goal because it was close to his body and Arnold should have claimed the corner that resulted in the goal last Saturday since it was in his 6 yard area .
Whereís Sylvester Stallone when you need him ?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: sixfields starling on August 14, 2019, 19:05:35 pm
Enjoyed the game last night, decent enough performance, although didnít really get many balls into the box apart from the goal. Warburton , McWilliams and Wharton all had excellent games. Possibly a little harsh on Cornell , as up until the goal had pulled of some fine saves, think he just thought he could make it and was caught out. Shame as we matched a decent championship club for most of the game. Iím not too disappointed yet , may be after Saturday if we lose though, as think we are getting there slowly.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 14, 2019, 19:10:59 pm
According to footstats (sorry, I cant do the link) there was 494 attempts at our goal last season. 180 of those were deemed on target with 63 resulting in goals.
Clarence has latched on to the ratio of on target shots to goals I think to come to his conclusion that Cornell is crap. I prefer to judge with my eyes.
B/s.  We conceded 3.91 shots on target per game av and 1.37 goals per match last season. Whether or not that amounts to the worst ratio in the division im not sure, there is no column for that, but I'm guessing Clarence might have extrapolated that ( unless the figures are evident elsewhere) in his desire to crucify Cornell.
Question for anyone. Does a blocked (by outfield player) on target shot count as an on target shot for statistical purposes?

I base my opinions on what I see as well. Seeing these stats at the end of the season only reinforces my opinion, they do not form it.

We had the joint 8th best record for shots on target against last season, but had the 17th worst goals conceded record.



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: 1971cobbler on August 14, 2019, 19:13:39 pm
No-ones really commented on the third goal.

Proof that league two players aren't mentally switched on enough for zonal marking can be seen if you focus on the reactions of our eight outfield players in and around the six yard box, versus the movement of the Swansea players.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 14, 2019, 19:25:18 pm
Thank you .
As usual , dubious statistics manipulated to suit an argument that was weak in the first place .
Under the same terms of judgement , their keeper should have saved our goal because it was close to his body and Arnold should have claimed the corner that resulted in the goal last Saturday since it was in his 6 yard area .
Whereís Sylvester Stallone when you need him ?

Dubious statistics? Manipulated? How so? Hmmmm, you're not spouting nonsense again are you?

What does the goal on Saturday have to do with it? The two goals are not comparable. Nice try though (pats B&S on the head).  ;D

Ask yourself: Does Ayew put the ball in the net in that situation if Cornell stays on his line?

Your trying to ignore the points in my original post by making snide jokes just confirms again that you know my points are bang on.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Manwork04 on August 14, 2019, 19:36:12 pm
Cornell is sh1t


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 19:58:29 pm
Dubious statistics? Manipulated? How so? Hmmmm, you're not spouting nonsense again are you?

What does the goal on Saturday have to do with it? The two goals are not comparable. Nice try though (pats B&S on the head).  ;D

Ask yourself: Does Ayew put the ball in the net in that situation if Cornell stays on his line?

Your trying to ignore the points in my original post by making snide jokes just confirms again that you know my points are bang on.

You attract attention by your incessant effors to damage Cornell's reputation. He is a an NTFC player so deserves some element of support even loyalty. Your main support on here comes from some expert Keyboard Warriors several of whom use profame and abusive language to illustrate their message. You need to attract more reasonable and credible support which at the moment you are not doing.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 20:01:47 pm
Enjoyed the game last night, decent enough performance, although didnít really get many balls into the box apart from the goal. Warburton , McWilliams and Wharton all had excellent games. Possibly a little harsh on Cornell , as up until the goal had pulled of some fine saves, think he just thought he could make it and was caught out. Shame as we matched a decent championship club for most of the game. Iím not too disappointed yet , may be after Saturday if we lose though, as think we are getting there slowly.

All I can say is well done for going puts us sofa sitters to shame.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: guest2677 on August 14, 2019, 20:05:48 pm
I base my opinions on what I see as well. Seeing these stats at the end of the season only reinforces my opinion, they do not form it.

We had the joint 8th best record for shots on target against last season, but had the 17th worst goals conceded record.


Ok, so you might also recognize the paradox? That is, that there's plenty of evidence (the first 75mins last night for example) that Cornell is quite a good shot stopper.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: just.reading on August 14, 2019, 20:20:09 pm
Ok, so you might also recognize the paradox? That is, that there's plenty of evidence (the first 75mins last night for example) that Cornell is quite a good shot stopper.


Exactly, for all the good he does in games it is constantly un-done by an error which costs us a goal, or two as it was last night. He's too much of a liability and if the pro-Cornell people out there can't see that then I despair.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 14, 2019, 20:22:57 pm
No obsession as you put it.  You miss the point as posting controversial comments when actually not present leaves your judgement Ďslightlyí suspect. By all means express yr opinions whether there or not. Just be prepared to face contrary opinions. Itís hard I know!
Its sometimes, so hard not to laugh!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 20:39:14 pm
Ok, so you might also recognize the paradox? That is, that there's plenty of evidence (the first 75mins last night for example) that Cornell is quite a good shot stopper.


Clarence is so far up the proverbial that any reasoned opinion is ignored.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 20:43:52 pm
Exactly - Cornell, a keeper with almost the worst shots saves percentage in the division, won player of the season because of that attitude!

Your losing it - you have departed from any reality on Cornell. Apart from the fact that we are down to only One keeper contender for the team sheet. Would not risk Lashly with critics like you around.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 20:47:40 pm
Exactly, for all the good he does in games it is constantly un-done by an error which costs us a goal, or two as it was last night. He's too much of a liability and if the pro-Cornell people out there can't see that then I despair.

It's not every game Einstein - if you think all the pro Cornell people out there agree with you then think again. 


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 20:51:41 pm
did those there see something different to what is being shown on TV then?!

this really is a conspiracy.


Try looking at the Swansea Official Site Video which gives interesting perspective on the equalizer. Not completely sure if their Blonde Headed
striker took Cornell out ; certainly looked a bit like that! Have a look.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: just.reading on August 14, 2019, 20:53:31 pm
It's not every game Einstein - if you think all the pro Cornell people out there agree with you then think again. 

Why put words in my mouth? Never said it was every game. His errors have resulted in far more goals than any other Cobbler goalkeeper that I can rememeber. It's like talking to a brick wall you you and B&S; in your eyes he can do no wrong! His rash decision making and usual poor attempts at saving long distance shots once again un-did his good work yesterday. We will never progress as a club with a liability in goal. Just hope Arnold's injury isn't serious.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 14, 2019, 21:00:15 pm
Clarence is so far up the proverbial that any reasoned opinion is ignored.
He also manipulates selective statistics to suit his argument and presents them as a hardened case , whilst constantly basing his judgements on what seems to be a very limited knowledge of football.
Iím retiring from this thread because it has become personal and boring for others


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Another Pedj on August 14, 2019, 21:56:19 pm
You are not kidding its boring and I think I have read only about a quarter of the posts.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 14, 2019, 22:44:42 pm
Why put words in my mouth? Never said it was every game. His errors have resulted in far more goals than any other Cobbler goalkeeper that I can rememeber. It's like talking to a brick wall you you and B&S; in your eyes he can do no wrong! His rash decision making and usual poor attempts at saving long distance shots once again un-did his good work yesterday. We will never progress as a club with a liability in goal. Just hope Arnold's injury isn't serious.

You infered it was every game! Some of your comments are mere assumptions.  Cornell is not a top L2 keeper; I rate him and Arnold on same level playing field, if anything I prefer Arnold as the no 1. He did not make a rash decision which led to the first damaging goal; yes he made a decision to limit the damage done by Roberts, it did not pay off. You have 'made yr mind up' on Cornell which is fair enough but your last two penultimate sentences are sheer vindictive comments to shore up your opinion. Take a look at Swansea Official Match Video  it shows the goals from a different perspective; did the blond Striker take out Cornell?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 15, 2019, 09:10:36 am
He also manipulates selective statistics to suit his argument and presents them as a hardened case , whilst constantly basing his judgements on what seems to be a very limited knowledge of football.
Iím retiring from this thread because it has become personal and boring for others

"i'm wrong" would have covered it - rather than the melodramatic post.


Title: Precedent
Post by: andy scouse on August 15, 2019, 09:35:09 am
Interesting to see the vultures are gathering ready to swoop on Curle.Reminds me  of Wilder's last season at Sixfields when similar managerial rumblings occurred after losing a home game to Plymouth and then losing at Newcastle in the League Cup and seeing Ricky Holmes hobbling up the West Stand as a spectator and then after that the rest is history including the turn around  crunch home game against Oxford when Taylor got sent off and we won one nil .

Positives from the media about the Swansea game appear to the performances of Warburton, Turnbull, and Watson, negatives appear to be set piece failings again and question marks over Cornell. My take on Cornell is that like Peter Gleasure of old he is a good shot stopper but he has weakness on long distance shots and coming for crosses. In my book Cornell is a run of the mill Div 2 stopper nothing more nothing less.


Title: Re: Precedent
Post by: Irchy cob on August 15, 2019, 09:42:40 am
Interesting to see the vultures are gathering ready to swoop on Curle.Reminds me  of Wilder's last season at Sixfields when similar managerial rumblings occurred after losing a home game to Plymouth and then losing at Newcastle in the League Cup and seeing Ricky Holmes hobbling up the West Stand as a spectator and then after that the rest is history including the turn around  crunch home game against Oxford when Taylor got sent off and we won one nil .

Positives from the media about the Swansea game appear to the performances of Warburton, Turnbull, and Watson, negatives appear to be set piece failings again and question marks over Cornell. My take on Cornell is that like Peter Gleasure of old he is a good shot stopper but he has weakness on long distance shots and coming for crosses. In my book Cornell is a run of the mill Div 2 stopper nothing more nothing less.

Good post mate - my thoughts entirely. This Saturdays match is massive and Macclesfield are in decent form.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: rebelspawn on August 15, 2019, 10:02:36 am
Take a look at Swansea Official Match Video  it shows the goals from a different perspective; did the blond Striker take out Cornell?

I have seen you on many occasions dismissing others opinions because they did not attend the game and are 'only' using the highlights to back up their opinions.

For someone who didn't attend, and holds such firm views on needing to attend in order to offer opinions on games, you have had much to say about this one.

Hypocrite


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 15, 2019, 10:33:49 am
I have seen you on many occasions dismissing others opinions because they did not attend the game and are 'only' using the highlights to back up their opinions.

For someone who didn't attend, and holds such firm views on needing to attend in order to offer opinions on games, you have had much to say about this one.

Hypocrite

I have no time to enter into an argument with you. After your disgraceful behaviour with Beds you are in no position to accuse others of hypocrisy. Are you on a trolling mission?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: rebelspawn on August 15, 2019, 10:51:47 am
I have no time to enter into an argument with you. After your disgraceful behaviour with Beds you are in no position to accuse others of hypocrisy. Are you on a trolling mission?

I have no time to enter into an argument with you. After your disgraceful behaviour with anyone who does not share your opinion, you are in no position to accuse others of disgraceful behaviour towards Beds. Are you on a trolling mission?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 15, 2019, 10:52:14 am
I have no time to enter into an argument with you. After your disgraceful behaviour with Beds you are in no position to accuse others of hypocrisy. Are you on a trolling mission?

you could politely accept he has a point if you want................


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 15, 2019, 12:04:08 pm
you could politely accept he has a point if you want................


He misses the point - I have no truck with those who use truncated videos as a tool to furnish their personal abuse of NTFC players/management. There are plenty of good comments from those unable to attend away games. These opinions are totally democratic and often good POV. If you donít understand the point am making let me know?  Incidentally you were one of the first to aim dubious comments at Cornell after the Swansea game so it will be interesting to see where you stand.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: barton cobbler on August 15, 2019, 12:36:09 pm
He misses the point - I have no truck with those who use truncated videos as a tool to furnish their personal abuse of NTFC players/management.
I think you struggle to discriminate between "personal abuse" and criticism of a performance. There is quite a lot of the latter, and people are, IMO, within their rights to criticize but I really don't see much "personal abuse" which is a totally different thing. 


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 15, 2019, 12:53:20 pm
He misses the point - I have no truck with those who use truncated videos as a tool to furnish their personal abuse of NTFC players/management. There are plenty of good comments from those unable to attend away games. These opinions are totally democratic and often good POV. If you donít understand the point am making let me know?  Incidentally you were one of the first to aim dubious comments at Cornell after the Swansea game so it will be interesting to see where you stand.

what was dubious about them?

he was at fault for 2 goals.

not rocket science.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: 1971cobbler on August 15, 2019, 12:55:28 pm
I think you struggle to discriminate between "personal abuse" and criticism of a performance. There is quite a lot of the latter, and people are, IMO, within their rights to criticize but I really don't see much "personal abuse" which is a totally different thing. 

+1

Going on highlights as wasn't there (sorry if that puts me in the firing line), Cornell's performance and indeed his entire NTFC career can be summed up pre and post the 80th minute.

Average Lge 2 keeper for me & one that isn't likely to see us as part of the top 3 (irrespective of the outfield players in front of him).


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 15, 2019, 13:01:15 pm
At the end of the day we were playing a championship club away from home. I thought we did well and came out of the game with a lot of credit? There were a few individual errors at the end which was a shame and unfortunately we got punished. Big game Saturday no doubt but I donít think it was disastrous for us. Additionally say what you like about our club but the away support is great.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 15, 2019, 13:04:55 pm
I think you struggle to discriminate between "personal abuse" and criticism of a performance. There is quite a lot of the latter, and people are, IMO, within their rights to criticize but I really don't see much "personal abuse" which is a totally different thing. 

Just search on here for personal abuse of players and management there are some reasonable examples to view unless they have been deleted! Abuse is simply that, not many would would struggle to differentiate between abuse and criticism.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 15, 2019, 13:46:46 pm
what was dubious about them?

he was at fault for 2 goals.

not rocket science.

quote author=threeinabed link=topic=18614.msg393771#msg393771 date=1565728122

Absolutely awful from Cornell.

Twice.

What a useless ****


rico is s***e

waters is s***e

You have a colourful way of portraying players you dont like.  Dubious comments or not?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on August 15, 2019, 17:18:20 pm
Dubious statistics? Manipulated? How so? Hmmmm, you're not spouting nonsense again are you?


Thanks for the link to the stats, which I don't doubt in themselves but they simply show the ratio of shots on target to goals conceded and you made a direct statement that they show Cornell to have one of the worst goalkeeping records in the division. That IS manipulation of statistics because it assumes he is to blame for all the goals conceded.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Fizzy on August 15, 2019, 18:53:41 pm
Curle did what a few on here were asking for  and brought in another keeper to provide competition for the jersey. Arnold gets a gig 2nd game in and does a hammy, Cornell back in on tues (rightly so) and gets a load more stick.
Whats it to be then ? Young lad in goal or a loan signing. ?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 15, 2019, 18:57:12 pm
Ok, so you might also recognize the paradox? That is, that there's plenty of evidence (the first 75mins last night for example) that Cornell is quite a good shot stopper.


There is no paradox. He made two solid/decent stops during the match, but nothing that you wouldn't expect the vast majority of League 2 'keepers to make.

The outfield player who went in goal for Morecambe against us last year made more saves of equal 'difficulty' in the last 10 minutes of that match alone. Does that make that player a 'good shot-stopper'?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 15, 2019, 19:20:13 pm
Thanks for the link to the stats, which I don't doubt in themselves but they simply show the ratio of shots on target to goals conceded and you made a direct statement that they show Cornell to have one of the worst goalkeeping records in the division. That IS manipulation of statistics because it assumes he is to blame for all the goals conceded.

No, it isn't 'manipulation' at all. The stats show 180 opposition shots on target over 46 games (the joint 8th best record in the league) and 63 goals conceded, the 17th worst record in the league. Cornell's save ratio places him 4th bottom of the league. Like most football statistics the results may not be 'scientific', but I would suggest it indicates that, as many on here believe, Cornell isn't anywhere near as good a shot-stopper as other posters believe.



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Fizzy on August 15, 2019, 19:29:14 pm
Just for the record can anyone tell us how many penalties Cornell has saved ? I remember a couple at least.
Give the guy some backing, he is prob 2nd fiddle when Arnold is fit and certainly good enough to fill that roll in Div 2.









Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: guest2677 on August 15, 2019, 20:17:30 pm
No, it isn't 'manipulation' at all. The stats show 180 opposition shots on target over 46 games (the joint 8th best record in the league) and 63 goals conceded, the 17th worst record in the league. Cornell's save ratio places him 4th bottom of the league. Like most football statistics the results may not be 'scientific', but I would suggest it indicates that, as many on here believe, Cornell isn't anywhere near as good a shot-stopper as other posters believe.


You misunderstand Clarence. Your assertion that those figures show Cornell is the fourth worst keeper in the league is the manipulation. As has been said, not every goal scored will be Cornells fault.
Defender loses possession to striker A on the edge of the box, leaving a two on one with Cornell. Striker A then passes square to striker B who side foots into an open goal would be a good example of a goal that isn't the goalkeepers fault.



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: guest2677 on August 15, 2019, 20:18:22 pm
There is no paradox. He made two solid/decent stops during the match, but nothing that you wouldn't expect the vast majority of League 2 'keepers to make.

The outfield player who went in goal for Morecambe against us last year made more saves of equal 'difficulty' in the last 10 minutes of that match alone. Does that make that player a 'good shot-stopper'?
I'm glad you can be so confident about all of that.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 15, 2019, 20:27:08 pm
I'm glad you can be so confident about all of that.

 ;D


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Another Pedj on August 15, 2019, 20:29:38 pm
Are you lot still going on?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 15, 2019, 20:38:01 pm
Are you lot still going on?

You are just checking to make sure we are ;)
You love it really!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 15, 2019, 21:14:17 pm
You misunderstand Clarence. Your assertion that those figures show Cornell is the fourth worst keeper in the league is the manipulation. As has been said, not every goal scored will be Cornells fault.
Defender loses possession to striker A on the edge of the box, leaving a two on one with Cornell. Striker A then passes square to striker B who side foots into an open goal would be a good example of a goal that isn't the goalkeepers fault.



No, I don't misunderstand at all, but it seems you do. Of course not every goal can be blamed on Cornell, just the same as they can't for any other 'keeper. Cornell's stats are there to be judged against the other teams, and they don't look good.

And I'll point out again, our defence had the joint 8th best opposition shots on target record in the league last season (which shows they protected the goal a lot better than many believe), yet the 17th worst goals conceded record. Our defence made mistakes last season sure (I thought Buchanan and Taylor were equally as poor as Cornell at times), but it's a fallacy to assume that many (the majority?) other teams did not make plenty of costly defensive errors also.

As to the bold, I never said that. I said that his save ratio stats were the fourth worst and that he was one of the worst performing goalkeepers in the league last season (on this metric at least).


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: 1971cobbler on August 15, 2019, 21:20:33 pm
Shouldn't the majority of this thread belong on the David v's Steve thread?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 15, 2019, 21:24:45 pm
I'm glad you can be so confident about all of that.

Confident? About what? That there is no paradox? There isn't.

Otherwise point out to me where I am wrong. He only made couple of solid stops of note (from a header, and then narrowing the angle when their attacker was through, though the 'finish' was ultimately Hokinsesque) but nothing out of the ordinary. You'll see equivalent stops in most League 2 games week-in-week-out.

View the highlights of last season away to Morecambe if you don't recall how their outfield player performed after the 'keeper had been sent off.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 15, 2019, 22:58:02 pm
Just watched the extended highlights, Cornell was clearly taken out by their No 19 for the first goal.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: guest2677 on August 15, 2019, 23:08:18 pm
No, I don't misunderstand at all, but it seems you do. Of course not every goal can be blamed on Cornell, just the same as they can't for any other 'keeper. Cornell's stats are there to be judged against the other teams, and they don't look good.

And I'll point out again, our defence had the joint 8th best opposition shots on target record in the league last season (which shows they protected the goal a lot better than many believe), yet the 17th worst goals conceded record. Our defence made mistakes last season sure (I thought Buchanan and Taylor were equally as poor as Cornell at times), but it's a fallacy to assume that many (the majority?) other teams did not make plenty of costly defensive errors also.

As to the bold, I never said that. I said that his save ratio stats were the fourth worst and that he was one of the worst performing goalkeepers in the league last season (on this metric at least).

Yeah, but like we've said the metric is flawed. Unfortunately it seems you cant see that.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: guest2677 on August 15, 2019, 23:15:05 pm
Confident? About what? That there is no paradox? There isn't.

Otherwise point out to me where I am wrong. He only made couple of solid stops of note (from a header, and then narrowing the angle when their attacker was through, though the 'finish' was ultimately Hokinsesque) but nothing out of the ordinary. You'll see equivalent stops in most League 2 games week-in-week-out.

View the highlights of last season away to Morecambe if you don't recall how their outfield player performed after the 'keeper had been sent off.
I thought they were pretty good saves myself. Furthermore in the thirty five odd games i saw last season there was enough evidence to suggest to me Cornell can be a good shot stopper. Hence the paradox because he also drops clangers. I'm not his biggest fan.
To compare an outfield players performance over ten minutes against any professional keeper at a similar level is frankly ludicrous.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 15, 2019, 23:32:36 pm
Confident? About what? That there is no paradox? There isn't.

Otherwise point out to me where I am wrong. He only made couple of solid stops of note (from a header, and then narrowing the angle when their attacker was through, though the 'finish' was ultimately Hokinsesque) but nothing out of the ordinary. You'll see equivalent stops in most League 2 games week-in-week-out.

View the highlights of last season away to Morecambe if you don't recall how their outfield player performed after the 'keeper had been sent off.


Once again you need to view the official Swansea video as it views all goals from a different angle and is better quality to boot. With the equaliser Cornell was clearly taken out by their number 19. You make no mention of this redeeming factor and also neither does 3Beds . Why is this?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 16, 2019, 10:05:09 am
it doesn't redeem him from the rash decision to run out his goal?!

you don't need another angle to see it - it shows it on the footage we have all seen.



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 16, 2019, 10:18:40 am
it doesn't redeem him from the rash decision to run out his goal?!

you don't need another angle to see it - it shows it on the footage we have all seen.



 ;D


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: cobblergaz59 on August 16, 2019, 10:37:46 am
it doesn't redeem him from the rash decision to run out his goal?!





Maybe,maybe not...I'm thinking he wasn't banking on being taken out..However,how many of the people moaning that he came for the ball were complaining that he always stays on his line not too long ago?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 16, 2019, 10:40:53 am
Yeah, but like we've said the metric is flawed. Unfortunately it seems you cant see that.


How do I not see it? You said it is 'flawed' because Cornell would not have been responsible for all goals conceded, such an obvious point I took it as a given. I have pointed out that the same can be said for all 'keepers, that the stats are not 'scientific', but importantly do point out clear patterns.

You gave an example of a defender making an error allowing an attacker to pass to another to tap into an open goal. How many times did such an occurrence happen last year? Many more times than for the majority of sides in the league?

These stats are a guide and indicate that Cornell is a sub-standard shot-stopper in this league.



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 16, 2019, 11:00:43 am
I thought they were pretty good saves myself. Furthermore in the thirty five odd games i saw last season there was enough evidence to suggest to me Cornell can be a good shot stopper. Hence the paradox because he also drops clangers. I'm not his biggest fan.
To compare an outfield players performance over ten minutes against any professional keeper at a similar level is frankly ludicrous.

I've already said I thought they were solid, i.e. 'decent' stops, but nothing exceptional. The header wasn't very powerful and while a solid save is one you'd expect to see stopped more often than not. He narrowed the angle well for the one-on-one, but that's it. If It had been Hoskins through on goal and finished as poorly as the Swansea player, he would have been slated on here, which says it all.

Your opinion that Cornell can be a good shot stopper is just that, your opinion. I question whether he is even an 'average' shot stopper for this division, hence there is no paradox in that he often drops 'clangers'.

The comparison with the Morecambe player was to highlight that even unprofessional, non-trained 'keepers are capable of making saves. Were the saves that player made any easier than those 'pretty good saves' made by Cornell against Swansea? If not, then why should a professional 'keeper be praised making saves which are more or less 'routine'? There was nothing remotely exceptional or 'above and beyond what is expected' about the saves he made against Swansea.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 16, 2019, 11:08:37 am
Doing well until he made all the substitutions

Gosh you were there too ::)


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 16, 2019, 11:12:46 am
it doesn't redeem him from the rash decision to run out his goal?!

you don't need another angle to see it - it shows it on the footage we have all seen.



Rubbish it is a much better angle - have you viewed the official Swansea video?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 16, 2019, 11:15:37 am
Just watched the extended highlights, Cornell was clearly taken out by their No 19 for the first goal.

He doesn't get 'taken out' at all. He's hesitant to come out, mistimes his run, and is simply weak at coming for the ball, as he often is. I could count on the fingers of one hand the amount of times last season Cornell managed to successfully punch a ball away and on the fingers of my other hand the amount of times he came and claimed a ball into the box if there was even one player in the way. Whenever I see an opposition 'keeper in this division they do not have these problems and the 'keeper for Walsall the other week was another example.

Remember what Curle said he was looking for in a new 'keeper? He's well aware of this issue.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on August 16, 2019, 11:16:49 am


Once again you need to view the official Swansea video as it views all goals from a different angle and is better quality to boot. With the equaliser Cornell was clearly taken out by their number 19. You make no mention of this redeeming factor and also neither does 3Beds . Why is this?

He doesn't get taken out. I refer you to my above post.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: threeinabed on August 16, 2019, 11:21:08 am
Rubbish it is a much better angle - have you viewed the official Swansea video?

i dont need to - ive just told you i saw it on the normal footage.

you are arguing against someone who backs up what you said.

nutjob.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Irchy cob on August 16, 2019, 11:22:06 am
Just watched the extended highlights, Cornell was clearly taken out by their No 19 for the first goal.

Why did Cornell go straight for Roberts to bawl him out - surely if it was that blatant a foul he would have gone straight to the ref?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 16, 2019, 11:37:14 am

You gave an example of a defender making an error allowing an attacker to pass to another to tap into an open goal...............


I was hoping that the example CJ gave would be immediately recognisable. The famous winner against  
FGR (h) made by the much missed vV. That was the first of 3 such similar examples I can recall!



Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: 1971cobbler on August 16, 2019, 11:46:35 am
Why did Cornell go straight for Roberts to bawl him out - surely if it was that blatant a foul he would have gone straight to the ref?

This thread will soon be competing with the redevelopment thread at this rate?
 :o

Can't believe you lot are still arguing about the "price of pencils" three days after the event. Move on to life's more important matters?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 16, 2019, 11:53:00 am
He doesn't get 'taken out' at all. He's hesitant to come out, mistimes his run, and is simply weak at coming for the ball, as he often is. I could count on the fingers of one hand the amount of times last season Cornell managed to successfully punch a ball away and on the fingers of my other hand the amount of times he came and claimed a ball into the box if there was even one player in the way. Whenever I see an opposition 'keeper in this division they do not have these problems and the 'keeper for Walsall the other week was another example.

Remember what Curle said he was looking for in a new 'keeper? He's well aware of this issue.

 ;D

I have never known an ĎCobblers Faní to have such a downer on own player. Who will be the next player? Opinions are great (sorry Clarity) but this manipulation of flawed statistics to prove a point is a tad obsessive!

PS No more to add - so am out!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 16, 2019, 12:02:56 pm


you are arguing against someone who backs up what you said.

nutjob.


That does not make sense - please clarify!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: guest2677 on August 16, 2019, 14:25:20 pm


These stats are a guide and indicate that Cornell is a sub-standard shot-stopper in this league.


Erm...no.
Those 'stats' only tell you how many attempts at goal were converted against each club.
You've then introduced the keeper and decided the same ratios apply when clearly you have no fecking idea if that is the case.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: guest2677 on August 16, 2019, 14:38:14 pm
I've already said I thought they were solid, i.e. 'decent' stops, but nothing exceptional. The header wasn't very powerful and while a solid save is one you'd expect to see stopped more often than not. He narrowed the angle well for the one-on-one, but that's it. If It had been Hoskins through on goal and finished as poorly as the Swansea player, he would have been slated on here, which says it all.

Your opinion that Cornell can be a good shot stopper is just that, your opinion. I question whether he is even an 'average' shot stopper for this division, hence there is no paradox in that he often drops 'clangers'.

The comparison with the Morecambe player was to highlight that even unprofessional, non-trained 'keepers are capable of making saves. Were the saves that player made any easier than those 'pretty good saves' made by Cornell against Swansea? If not, then why should a professional 'keeper be praised making saves which are more or less 'routine'? There was nothing remotely exceptional or 'above and beyond what is expected' about the saves he made against Swansea.
Correct. It is my opinion that Cornell can be a good shot stopper. I haven't used stats in coming to that belief. It is also my opinion that he drops the odd bollock. I haven't used stats in coming to that belief either. You've made it plain that you dont agree. That's why there is no paradox in your mind but one remains in mine.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 16, 2019, 18:38:10 pm
made by the much missed vV.
Yourself aside, much missed by whom?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Alfred on August 16, 2019, 19:02:46 pm
Why did Cornell go straight for Roberts to bawl him out - surely if it was that blatant a foul he would have gone straight to the ref?

Because just like his manager and team mates he is a sh1thouse


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: SadOldGit on August 16, 2019, 19:07:26 pm
Yourself aside, much missed by whom?


I think we have a buy-back clause in his contract that gives us first option so could be a win-win all round.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 16, 2019, 19:26:01 pm
Yourself aside, much missed by whom?


Sorry very poor joke!


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: SadOldGit on August 16, 2019, 19:46:59 pm
Sorry very poor joke!

Call 0800 389 33 33 immediately.


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: everbrite on August 16, 2019, 20:20:27 pm
Call 0800 389 33 33 immediately.

No answer - bum steer?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 16, 2019, 23:34:53 pm
Old Dai certainly polarises opinion doesnít he?


Title: Re: Swansea City (a)- League Cup First Round- 13/8/19
Post by: observer1 on August 28, 2019, 21:47:01 pm
Well, Swansea have just destroyed Cambridge 6-0 on the night (5-0 at HT).

Kind of puts into perspective how well the Cobblers played for a good 85% of the game that night, even though they threw it away towards the end.

Maybe the lads can take some confidence from this.