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Title: Stevenage away
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 15, 2019, 18:17:54 pm
All being well, I shall be getting the train from Kings Cross Tuesday evening, (work permitting). A couple of pints and some grub, in the Parcel Yard at KC, and off we go. Easy journey for me.
So, who else is going?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3086 on September 15, 2019, 19:35:51 pm
I'll be there. Love a ground on an out of town retail park. Real tradition there. Getting a lift with Folwell.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 15, 2019, 20:24:28 pm
Going with my pack


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on September 15, 2019, 20:41:30 pm
Horsham Cobblers will be well represented … that's the 2 of us (although my wife claims to have seen a lad in a Cobblers shirt in our local Budgens a couple of years ago).


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 15, 2019, 20:48:50 pm
I'll be there +1...


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3264 on September 16, 2019, 05:02:02 am
Full quota with our two car loads.........over to KC to impose our team on Stevenage!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on September 16, 2019, 06:24:30 am
A nice easy train journey direct to Stevenage from Horsham and a lift home, feeling confident about tomorrow eve


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 16, 2019, 07:40:43 am
Absolutely terrible away end but a nice Tuesday away day .


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 16, 2019, 08:08:14 am
Absolutely terrible away end but a nice Tuesday away day .

It’s not terrible, reasonable yes! Are you actually going to an away game? Must be a first 8)


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 16, 2019, 08:51:38 am
Absolutely terrible away end but a nice Tuesday away day .

Not too bad an away end, decent actually, there are a lot worse. Probably Definitely ours being one of them.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2019, 09:05:00 am
4 in my car.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Manwork04 on September 16, 2019, 09:26:15 am
Absolutely terrible away end but a nice Tuesday away day .
One of the better away ends in lower league football, you’ve never been have you  ;D


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: lordjord on September 16, 2019, 09:57:31 am
I cant think of Stevenage away without immediately thinking back to Ricky Holmes winner. Shouting at him to cross it and then going mental when he lashed it in.

Anyways, ill be there also. A big opportunity for us to make our way into the top half of the table.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 16, 2019, 09:59:54 am
One of the better away ends in lower league football, you’ve never been have you  ;D

He's seen the pictures...


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 16, 2019, 10:32:21 am
One of the better away ends in lower league football, you’ve never been have you  ;D
Way off the mark but congratulations for being so spectacularly incorrect . Stevenage is actually the closest ground to me and I have been many times .
I think it’s a poor ground with poor viewing and is frequently voted on various forums as one of the worst away ends.
Keep up the good work .


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: crazycobbler on September 16, 2019, 10:53:58 am
I'll be there +1

Nice to have a close Tuesday night away game for once.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: rebelspawn on September 16, 2019, 11:03:22 am
Way off the mark but congratulations for being so spectacularly incorrect . Stevenage is actually the closest ground to me and I have been many times .
I think it’s a poor ground with poor viewing and is frequently voted on various forums as one of the worst away ends.
Keep up the good work .

The away end is a single tier stand, behind the goal, is of reasonable height and with no pillars obstructing the view isn't it?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 16, 2019, 11:11:47 am
Way off the mark but congratulations for being so spectacularly incorrect . Stevenage is actually the closest ground to me and I have been many times .
I think it’s a poor ground with poor viewing and is frequently voted on various forums as one of the worst away ends.
Keep up the good work .

https://www.footballgroundguide.com/leagues/england/league-two/broadhall-way-stevenage.html

You haven't been have you?  The South Stand is for the away fans...up to 1400.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3338 on September 16, 2019, 11:31:31 am
https://www.footballgroundguide.com/leagues/england/league-two/broadhall-way-stevenage.html

You haven't been have you?  The South Stand is for the away fans...up to 1400.
I've been twice, but I don't remember it looking that good!
Which end did we have in the Championship season?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: pattcobb on September 16, 2019, 11:47:42 am
Very tempted.. Enjoyed Saturday and Plymouth the other week, mainly for application and effort!
Lots of things need to fall into place, can I stop at my folks? Are there seats on Sixfields travel coach (actually are there places?).

If not can I borrow the old man's car?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3338 on September 16, 2019, 11:48:19 am
Stevenage is actually the closest ground to me

Defender!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 16, 2019, 12:18:42 pm
Defender!

No CAPS lock...


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: sixfields starling on September 16, 2019, 12:20:10 pm
Unfortunately can’t make this tomorrow, so will watch on I follow. Safe journey to everyone and bring the 3 points home. UTC.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Irchy cob on September 16, 2019, 12:39:19 pm
Without wishing to get too melodramatic, the next 2 matches will probably determine whether we’re going to be challenging at the top end or drifting around mid-table. I’m sure Stevenage isn’t going to be anyway near as easy as you would think and Crawley are on s decent run.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Manwork04 on September 16, 2019, 16:53:54 pm
Without wishing to get too melodramatic, the next 2 matches will probably determine whether we’re going to be challenging at the top end or drifting around mid-table. I’m sure Stevenage isn’t going to be anyway near as easy as you would think and Crawley are on s decent run.
Agreed Stevenage are on a terrible run haven’t won this season, don’t we have form for ending these type of runs?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Ron Obvious on September 16, 2019, 17:01:31 pm
Not going to this one, prior engagement. Will have the radio on.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 16, 2019, 17:23:04 pm
Without wishing to get too melodramatic, the next 2 matches will probably determine whether we’re going to be challenging at the top end or drifting around mid-table. I’m sure Stevenage isn’t going to be anyway near as easy as you would think and Crawley are on s decent run.

Absolutely correct Irchy; they have a decent Striker too in Guthrie! Certainly not a forgone conclusion as some seem to think!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest48 on September 16, 2019, 18:28:13 pm
Easy money to be made here, Charles Breakspear is reffing this one which virtually guarantees that we will have someone sent off !


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 16, 2019, 19:53:01 pm
https://www.footballgroundguide.com/leagues/england/league-two/broadhall-way-stevenage.html

You haven't been have you?  The South Stand is for the away fans...up to 1400.
You must have reading difficulties ... I have been a number of times - just to repeat for your benefit .
Looking forward to an evening game in relative warm weather


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 16, 2019, 20:00:33 pm
Should be there...


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 16, 2019, 21:11:54 pm
I'll be tuning in from my armchair with a sherry and my beige blanket covering my knees.

Prediction 1-3 Willo, The Hoskmesiter and Linesy

We've played these 8 times and won 6 so I've got a very good feeling here.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 16, 2019, 21:23:52 pm
I'll be tuning in from my armchair with a sherry and my beige blanket covering my knees.

Prediction 1-3 Willo, The Hoskmesiter and Linesy

We've played these 8 times and won 6 so I've got a very good feeling here.

For once I cannot quite agree with you. As somebody (yr soulmate I believe) has remarked we have form with teams who haven't won in ages or in a season. They are due a win sometime even your mate '78 can spot that. On top of that they apparently have a decent striker in Guthrie. If Williams turns up and the back 4 with Turnbull as def midfield we might scrape a draw if they all play well! Don't forget Mr Breakspear is a ref who does not like us....fact!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 17, 2019, 02:02:45 am
For once I cannot quite agree with you. As somebody (yr soulmate I believe) has remarked we have form with teams who haven't won in ages or in a season. They are due a win sometime even your mate '78 can spot that. On top of that they apparently have a decent striker in Guthrie. If Williams turns up and the back 4 with Turnbull as def midfield we might scrape a draw if they all play well! Don't forget Mr Breakspear is a ref who does not like us....fact!
Sorry Evers, we’ll score 4 and anyone who disagrees has their head up their jacksie! Rest assured I will be back on here to gloat at you all including at Doc who hadn’t got the nuts to stretch it to 4. 1-4 it is and it’s not in doubt. Willo a couple, Adams and Oliver with about 3 or 4 minutes to go. Get down Ladbrokes and put your house on it.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Buster on September 17, 2019, 05:28:09 am
Gee thanks for the tip :D - standing outside the bookies now waiting for them to open...


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2019, 05:37:54 am
Let's be honest, if we've got promotion aspirations, we shouldn't be looking to scrape a draw tonight. They've started terribly, we've picked up.

Should win tonight no question.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 17, 2019, 08:06:20 am
Gee thanks for the tip :D - standing outside the bookies now waiting for them to open...

Me too - wow what a tip and/or forecast!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 17, 2019, 09:14:34 am
Me too - wow what a tip and/or forecast!
Just remember the master pundit/soothsayer when you pick up your winnings. I take PayPal, bank transfer, cash, cheque, luncheon vouchers or green shield stamps.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 17, 2019, 09:44:04 am
Let's be honest, if we've got promotion aspirations, we shouldn't be looking to scrape a draw tonight. They've started terribly, we've picked up.

Should win tonight no question.

Even you are not completely confident as you suggest ‘should’ ;)


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 17, 2019, 15:59:14 pm
In case anyone hasn’t heard there are delays of an hour on the M1 should anyone be coming that way


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 18:58:21 pm
Thank the Lord The Revmeister has hung up his boots.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 17, 2019, 19:04:07 pm
Morning all, don’t worry about that Baldy, just work out how your going to spend all those winnings!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 19:07:54 pm
Morning all, don’t worry about that Baldy, just work out how your going to spend all those winnings!
If only Mel, if only.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 17, 2019, 19:14:49 pm
If only Mel, if only.
Guaranteed. You won’t be familiar with the author but an Aussie mate has lent me a book. Having recently read it it’s almost like I’m super human. Tried my new powers for the first time at the weekend and got the score bang on, we’re going to make a fortune. Have a read yourself, the blokes a genius.
https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-au/rare-books/derek-acorah/develop-your-hidden-powers/1557939323DPB


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 19:16:51 pm
Guaranteed. You won’t be familiar with the author but an Aussie mate has lent me a book. Having recently read it it’s almost like I’m super human. Tried my new powers for the first time at the weekend and got the score bang on, we’re going to make a fortune. Have a read yourself, the blokes a genius.
https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-au/rare-books/derek-acorah/develop-your-hidden-powers/1557939323DPB
;D


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 19:22:03 pm
Its not looking good Stevenage are all over us.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 19:26:40 pm
Goody and the Turnmeister booked
Cornell makes a great save. Corner after corner
Im starting to get a horrible feeling


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: WasRambo on September 17, 2019, 19:33:18 pm
Evening

Never fear, I am here

We'll score now


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 19:33:29 pm
We really are s***e aren't we.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 19:34:02 pm
Evening

Never fear, I am here

We'll score now
phew Melly was worried sick.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 19:34:39 pm
Evening

Never fear, I am here

We'll score now
Hello Was.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 19:35:13 pm
0-0 HT

No idea how we're not losing we were crap


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3338 on September 17, 2019, 19:36:40 pm
Turgid half of football.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 17, 2019, 19:40:48 pm
We really are s***e aren't we.
Not a s***e as Australia, having gone to bed at 3am on Sunday I’m now up at 5am for this one. It’s like I’m effing nocturnal. Still my Derek like powers assure me the second half will make it all worth it!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Manwork04 on September 17, 2019, 19:40:54 pm
Wow what the fook did Curle do between Satdee and now? Absolutely terrible half only one winner.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 17, 2019, 19:41:23 pm
I can’t believe I pay to watch this absolute rubbish standard of football.
We haven’t even tried to pass the ball more than two consecutive times.
The midfield might as well have brought a deck chair with them and sat in it as the ball bypasses them every time . It’s not the players fault , it’s how they are told to play .
The lowest level football can go . All about shape and hit and hope


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 19:50:15 pm
Not a s***e as Australia, having gone to bed at 3am on Sunday I’m now up at 5am for this one. It’s like I’m effing nocturnal. Still my Derek like powers assure me the second half will make it all worth it!
sounds like you need a bourbon


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 17, 2019, 19:52:09 pm
I can’t believe nobody else has figured this out yet....Curles gameplan is all about targeting opponents strengths and nullifying the opposition. That works well against the likes of decent teams such as Plymouth and Newport.
The problem comes when we play someone poor, a team with very few if any strengths, then it’s up to us to impose ourselves on them, problem is we don’t have a style of play other than above....therefore we are poor when playing against the lesser teams.

Dull dull dull!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 17, 2019, 19:52:16 pm
Saturday win = players responsible for it?
Today's first half = manager is responsible?

Discuss?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 19:54:42 pm
Smiffys on for Turnbull.
Curlio is going for it


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: corno_ntfc on September 17, 2019, 19:59:03 pm
Harry Smith is rubbish

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 19:59:25 pm
Get in there!!!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: WasRambo on September 17, 2019, 19:59:39 pm
I did tell you....


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 20:00:04 pm
I did tell you....
Well played Was.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:00:22 pm
Great sub by Curly


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3338 on September 17, 2019, 20:00:46 pm
Get in!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:00:50 pm
Well played Was.
he's the greatest


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:02:11 pm
Great cross from Adams.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:02:47 pm
I truly believe theres a second goal in us


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 20:08:22 pm
I truly believe theres a second goal in us
I don't


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3338 on September 17, 2019, 20:09:20 pm
Is the Kosovan coming on?
I think he should


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:09:47 pm
This will be a nervy last 20.
Time for a Scotch


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: threeinabed on September 17, 2019, 20:10:33 pm
I can’t believe I pay to watch this absolute rubbish standard of football.
We haven’t even tried to pass the ball more than two consecutive times.
The midfield might as well have brought a deck chair with them and sat in it as the ball bypasses them every time . It’s not the players fault , it’s how they are told to play .
The lowest level football can go . All about shape and hit and hope
Roy hodgson has made a decent career out of it as did allardyce.
But if they are told to do this why werentnthey all dropped after the plymouth game as they dudnt do it then, nor did they against Newport.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:12:28 pm
Down to 10 men


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:13:17 pm
Smith sent off


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:14:02 pm
Olly on for Willo


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 17, 2019, 20:14:08 pm
Card happy Breakspear as usual.....it was a given

Backs to the wall now.....


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3338 on September 17, 2019, 20:15:33 pm
Looked like a fair challenge to me but what do I know.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: WasRambo on September 17, 2019, 20:17:28 pm
Oh dear. Will we cave as per?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Clarity on September 17, 2019, 20:17:54 pm
Card happy Breakspear as usual.....it was a given

Backs to the wall now.....
Breakspear should be bard


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:20:20 pm
The Kajmeister on for Adams.
Time to be a hero Kaj...


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:22:49 pm
I hope this doesnt backfire Adams was playing well.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:23:16 pm
Olly booked


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 17, 2019, 20:24:23 pm
Olly booked

That’s a fine....6 yellows now


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 20:26:49 pm
As it stands we're only one point off the play offs. I'm only saying.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:27:52 pm
As it stands we're only one point off the play offs. I'm only saying.
i really wish you wouldnt have said that


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 20:28:45 pm
i really wish you wouldnt have said that
I wish I hadn't said that.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:30:42 pm
No one has been booked in 5mins..amazing


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 17, 2019, 20:31:01 pm
That’s a fine....6 yellows now

25 free kicks in total so far, 8 cards issued. He'll be giving yellows for going offside soon?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:33:11 pm
This reminds me of that film 300.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 20:33:30 pm
It's alright we're 2 points off the play offs now. Relax.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 20:34:13 pm
This reminds me of that film 300.
300 what?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:35:12 pm
6mins added


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:40:24 pm
Get in 0-1


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Baldy on September 17, 2019, 20:40:49 pm
That'll do. We've got this league in the bag.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 17, 2019, 20:41:26 pm
How the feck did we win that.
They must have 15 corners.
Cornell motm easy


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 17, 2019, 20:42:50 pm
Some you win.......3 more points on the board....well done!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3338 on September 17, 2019, 20:44:19 pm
14 corners and 46 crosses!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 17, 2019, 20:46:08 pm
Filled my pants there, has anyone got a mop? Still a wins a win. Sorry about the tip Baldy, it’s not my fault, blame that scouse cnnt Acorah!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 17, 2019, 20:56:38 pm
Watched the Smith sending off again. stretching for the ball with his foot down and the Stevenage lad has had the refs pants down. Perhaps a bit unwise so soon after the booking to commit but I can’t believe the ref fell for it? Oh hang on, it’s the Surrey cardsmith Charles Bookinghere isn’t it, say no more?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 17, 2019, 21:04:52 pm
A win is a win . Well done for keeping our shape and seeing it through. How on earth we got away with that I don’t know . It must be the record for the least amount of consecutive passes during any 90 minutes in which a team has won .
The one bit of quality in the game resulted in the goal. Great Adams cross .
We also defended well in fairness .
Smith scores but nearly cost us the game . Has he a brain cell in his head ? He has just been booked , everyone knows what Breakspear is like and then he goes in late . Switch on Harry .
But a wins a win so fair enough .


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: sixfields starling on September 17, 2019, 21:05:52 pm
Excellent win, played a lot better in the second half , pity about the sending off as was starting to knock the ball about. Goode my MOM again , absolutely immense, roll on Saturday now.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 17, 2019, 21:12:29 pm
Looked like a fair challenge to me but what do I know.

Two homer yellows - only booked two of them


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 17, 2019, 21:31:44 pm
Great win if not a great spectacle. Dug deep to hang on. Breakspear should be banned from Reffing us. In fact ban him from Reffing.
After beating teams in the top two when we played them it's nice to beat a lowly team now. Roll on Satdee and keep the run going.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 17, 2019, 22:06:35 pm
Filled my pants there, has anyone got a mop? Still a wins a win. Sorry about the tip Baldy, it’s not my fault, blame that scouse cnnt Acorah!

Are you sure you haven't been taking lessons in fortune telling from Derek Asamoah by mistake?

 ;D


Title: Re: Stevenage awaye
Post by: everbrite on September 17, 2019, 22:10:37 pm
Not a game for the purist and we have quite a few of them!  KC has assembled a very good defensive unit and today they all played very well. Special mention for Cornell who brought off a magnificent save in the first half from Guthrie* who I thought was their danger man. The support played their part with constant chanting. When Smith scored with a brave header they went into raptures. Harry Harry they chanted. This was a brave and disciplined performance especially when down to 10 men.  
I enjoyed the 2nd half performance real backs against the wall stuff; just like Cobblers of old which for me is a good sign. Stevenage were a lot better than their lowly position at the foot of the table and played with great deal of spirit and intent. Smith’s presence in the attack clearly unsettled them and it was no surprise that our best period of play incurred whilst he was on the pitch! Some of our predictions for this game were wildly optimistic OTT. Stevenage were playing with fearsome desperation and our win against them and Breakspear was no mean feat!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 17, 2019, 22:17:05 pm
Well played Town... Thought the card for the sending off was fair. But he should never have been on a yellow... Good win on a chilly night.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Manwork04 on September 17, 2019, 22:31:38 pm
It was Swindon and Bradford all over again as GPC says some you win some you lose.
Happy with the 3pts.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest48 on September 17, 2019, 22:50:23 pm
Easy money to be made here, Charles Breakspear is reffing this one which virtually guarantees that we will have someone sent off !
Move over Melbourne, sod the octopus , horses for courses  ;)


PS Cant we say we don't want this tw*t anywhere near our matches, just look at his record it is blatantly obvious that he has a problem with NTFC


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 17, 2019, 22:59:50 pm
It was Swindon and Bradford all over again as GPC says some you win some you lose.
Happy with the 3pts.

Not quite great oracle not quite - both Swindon and Bradford were reasonable football teams whilst Stevenage although very game were not. See for yourself  ::)


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on September 18, 2019, 06:29:30 am
Watched the Smith sending off again. stretching for the ball with his foot down and the Stevenage lad has had the refs pants down. Perhaps a bit unwise so soon after the booking to commit but I can’t believe the ref fell for it? Oh hang on, it’s the Surrey cardsmith Charles Bookinghere isn’t it, say no more?

I had more of an issue with Smith’s first yellow: he had his back to the goal and was walking away when their keeper gave him an almighty shove in the back, for which he was deservedly booked.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest1269 on September 18, 2019, 07:27:28 am
I had more of an issue with Smith’s first yellow: he had his back to the goal and was walking away when their keeper gave him an almighty shove in the back, for which he was deservedly booked.

Agreed - because of the position and look of the tackle not too many complaints on the second - but some of the earlier bookings very questionable, however we all know Charlie boy's reputation and I don't think we were particularly savvy to that. Having said that how can this guy continually referee with red and yellow stats well above the average - he is the type of referee that frankly spoils games for both sides and the EFL should hold him to account.

Great 3 points - I thought we were awful in the first half and regressed to early season style - Adams barely got a pass to provide some much needed width. Second half until the red card much improved with passing and wing play pushing Stevenage very much on the back foot followed by a great defensive performance following the red.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 18, 2019, 07:40:58 am
Special mention to the singing section last night, an excellent performance.
Was Dan back in after his absence?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dan on September 18, 2019, 07:59:25 am
I did bring my singing voice yesterday  ;D very enjoyable evening.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Irchy cob on September 18, 2019, 08:01:04 am
A win is a win . Well done for keeping our shape and seeing it through. How on earth we got away with that I don’t know . It must be the record for the least amount of consecutive passes during any 90 minutes in which a team has won .
The one bit of quality in the game resulted in the goal. Great Adams cross .
We also defended well in fairness .
Smith scores but nearly cost us the game . Has he a brain cell in his head ? He has just been booked , everyone knows what Breakspear is like and then he goes in late . Switch on Harry .
But a wins a win so fair enough .

I think that’s the dictionary definition of damning with faint praise - I wouldn’t worry, I’m sure we’ll lose again soon 😉


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: threeinabed on September 18, 2019, 08:48:05 am
A win is a win . Well done for keeping our shape and seeing it through. How on earth we got away with that I don’t know . It must be the record for the least amount of consecutive passes during any 90 minutes in which a team has won .
The one bit of quality in the game resulted in the goal. Great Adams cross .
We also defended well in fairness .
Smith scores but nearly cost us the game . Has he a brain cell in his head ? He has just been booked , everyone knows what Breakspear is like and then he goes in late . Switch on Harry .
But a wins a win so fair enough .

good to see that the problem of just trying to keep our shape for 90 minutes went from a horrible game plan from curle, to a matchwinning game plan.

as the post above says, i am sure we will lose again soon so you will be happy once more.

you are beginning to sound more miserable than me on here, which really is some effort.

i dont care how we win away from home if we win - we have seen terrible teams beat us on our own patch, so about time we did it to others.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Clarity on September 18, 2019, 09:03:58 am
Move over Melbourne, sod the octopus , horses for courses  ;)


PS Cant we say we don't want this tw*t anywhere near our matches, just look at his record it is blatantly obvious that he has a problem with NTFC
Over the past three seasons, he's sent off seven different players. O'Toole, Buchanan, Barnett, Crooks, Pereira, Foley and Smith. Can our club request that he never ref's us again as this is looking like a grudge for some reason?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 18, 2019, 09:09:01 am
Over the past three seasons, he's sent off seven different players. O'Toole, Buchanan, Barnett, Crooks, Pereira, Foley and Smith. Can our club request that he never ref's us again as this is looking like a grudge for some reason?


Out of curiosity, how many red cards have we received in total over the same time period?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Irchy cob on September 18, 2019, 09:24:22 am
Just to play devils advocate (and don’t get me wrong as Breakspear shouldn’t be refereeing full stop) but you would hope that when the players/manager see we have got him in charge we try to manage the game accordingly - for example don’t go lunging in when you’re already on a yellow. Thinking back to the game when he sent o’toole and pereira off (if I remember correctly) they both completely lost their heads and you could see that they were red cards waiting to happen. Having said that I don’t really blame the players for losing their rag as he is the most inept, incompetent referee out there and he’s got some fierce competition.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on September 18, 2019, 09:27:18 am
Over the past three seasons, he's sent off seven different players. O'Toole, Buchanan, Barnett, Crooks, Pereira, Foley and Smith. Can our club request that he never ref's us again as this is looking like a grudge for some reason?


That's staggering.

Out of curiosity, how many red cards have we received in total over the same time period?

from 17/18 to this season so far, 12.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 18, 2019, 10:12:33 am
Just to play devils advocate (and don’t get me wrong as Breakspear shouldn’t be refereeing full stop) but you would hope that when the players/manager see we have got him in charge we try to manage the game accordingly - for example don’t go lunging in when you’re already on a yellow. Thinking back to the game when he sent o’toole and pereira off (if I remember correctly) they both completely lost their heads and you could see that they were red cards waiting to happen. Having said that I don’t really blame the players for losing their rag as he is the most inept, incompetent referee out there and he’s got some fierce competition.

Not sure about Breakspears competence but on Smiths second yellow he was surrounded by gesticulating SFc players. The injured player lay comatose but got up and happily resumed. The first yellow was very doubtful their goalie gave Smith an almighty push was booked but no idea why he booked Smith. Like to think we will appeal against 1st booking? I was wrong in saying Guthrie forced a great save from Cornell it was another player!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 18, 2019, 10:14:35 am
Special mention to the singing section last night, an excellent performance.
Was Dan back in after his absence?


It was good all match didn’t see Danny boy!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3264 on September 18, 2019, 10:23:42 am
Not sure about Breakspears competence but on Smiths second yellow he was surrounded by gesticulating SFc players. The injured player lay comatose but got up and happily resumed. The first yellow was very doubtful their goalie gave Smith an almighty push was booked but no idea why he booked Smith. Like to think we will appeal against 1st booking? I was wrong in saying Guthrie forced a great save from Cornell it was another player!
You are not allowed to appeal yellow cards only 'straight' reds!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 18, 2019, 10:26:07 am
You are not allowed to appeal yellow cards only 'straight' reds!

Thanks 🙏  for the reminder


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 18, 2019, 10:29:53 am
Over the past three seasons, he's sent off seven different players. O'Toole, Buchanan, Barnett, Crooks, Pereira, Foley and Smith. Can our club request that he never ref's us again as this is looking like a grudge for some reason?


 :o  Seven in seven although one game he didn't but made up for it by two in one.  Remembering most of them and looking at them in isolation the majority were all for stupid decisions by the players involved.  (Notice JJOT received two cautions last night)

Wasn't sure about the first last night for Smith, however I believe that it was for flicking the ball away and then a couple of verbals afterwards so deserved.  The second looked a lot worse from his angle (same as the TV) than ours and deserved a second caution, could have been a straight red.
Although as someone has said before, all teams know that Mr Breakspear applies the Law appropriately, why give him an excuse when so soon after your first, why go in for a 30/70 tackle like that?
The Vadaine, Goode and McWilliams cautions last night were just genuine stupidity and mandatory. I can't remember Turnbulls?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 18, 2019, 11:11:13 am
You can’t blame that sending off last night on Breakspear .
Smith has just received a caution , rightly or wrongly and then clatters into the player . The bloke is a walking sending off every time he plays and when you have a referee like our friend Charles you have to temper your aggression.
Smith needs to employ a brain cell every so often


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: DrillingCobbler on September 18, 2019, 12:02:06 pm
:o  Seven in seven although one game he didn't but made up for it by two in one.  Remembering most of them and looking at them in isolation the majority were all for stupid decisions by the players involved.  (Notice JJOT received two cautions last night)

Wasn't sure about the first last night for Smith, however I believe that it was for flicking the ball away and then a couple of verbals afterwards so deserved.  The second looked a lot worse from his angle (same as the TV) than ours and deserved a second caution, could have been a straight red.
Although as someone has said before, all teams know that Mr Breakspear applies the Law appropriately, why give him an excuse when so soon after your first, why go in for a 30/70 tackle like that?
The Vadaine, Goode and McWilliams cautions last night were just genuine stupidity and mandatory. I can't remember Turnbulls?

You use the term 'isolation'. And that leads me onto my point. The guy doesn't show, EVER, any degree of discretion. He's a non human VAR - he never spends a split second considering his actions, just reaches for his card as if he gets a kick out of it.

45 reds in his last 139 games apparently. Source James H (chron - on twitter)

I think it was Goode's booking. Where he slid in and caught their forward going sideways across the ede of the penalty box? Correct free kick, but a yellow? Technically yes, but first offense? Didn't mean it? Many ref's would have given a lecture...

For the sake of balance, their player who 'fouled' Adams. That wasn't a bloody booking, Adams totally 'bought it'. Just like their forward did with Smiths 2nd.

I do recall Turnbulls one but it wasn't at all obvious why he was booked, it was in the midfield area, ball went out for a throw in and he just waltzed over and booked him! No free kick was given so gord knows! Probably called him a c*** which if so, you couldn't blame him!  ;D


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 18, 2019, 12:11:32 pm
Stevenage’s insistence on passing the ball to the full backs from the goalkeeper was hilarious . They clearly were way short of being able to accomplish this and it was only going to be a matter of time before Williams intercepted them and scored , before the forced change.
Their shooting was also appalling .
I bet they are happy only one team are going down .


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: DrillingCobbler on September 18, 2019, 12:15:05 pm
Really enjoyed last nights game. The presence of 'Charles' ensured that at some point, the atmosphere would be rampted up and as predictable as day, Smiths sending off was the catalyst for the away end to turn the volume up a notch or two and 'sing our way to victory'.

First half, poor. But what became apparent to me after 30 minutes was that to beat them, we needed to go with two lumps up top and smash the ball down their throats. I said at half time, that point. Im no fan of the long ball game usually, but last night it was needed. I was pleasantly surprised by the half term change (usually managers don't make such a change until the hour mark if their team isn't losing!) and within minutes, it got us up and running. After which, it seemed just a matter of time before we scored a 2nd goal and strolled our way to victory despite a non entity of a first 45 minutes.

Then, enter Smith. Again. First booking, must of been something he said? 2nd booking, I reckon any NORMAL ref would have given him a final warning. And only those NORMAL refs whom would have booked him, first time round. But not Charles, who couldn't wait to brandish the red card and no doubt spunk all over the pitch where the incident happened.

After which, we went backwards. And more backwards. And even more backwards. But KC had obviously done his homework. Let them cross it as many times as they want, just make sure the box is packed to clear the ball out. Our full backs moved inside so much I thought they were going to swap wings. Countless percentage balls, corners, crosses all went in, but if they won more than 10% of the first balls Id be surprised. And when they did, it didn't matter because we'd mop up 2nd time round.

A siege mentality is starting to emerge. This season, our team reminds me of Lincoln City's, last season. Lots of little things. Horrible, almost thug like away from home. Great football at home. Two different teams.  I really am starting to believe it could be a good one. Cant wait until Saturday!



Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: crazycobbler on September 18, 2019, 12:35:08 pm
I’ve noticed how when we lost to Bradford so many on here were slating KC for his poor substitutions but not seeing many people give him props for the Smith sub yesterday and change to 4-4-2 which enhanced us massively. Funny that.

Decent second half performance. Great play for the goal and brilliant defending for the last 20 mins. Thought we looked decent with 4-4-2 and I wouldn’t mind seeing Smith and Willo combo again in the future. We’re on the charge.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: claretparrot on September 18, 2019, 13:05:56 pm
The Vadaine, Goode and McWilliams cautions last night were just genuine stupidity and mandatory. I can't remember Turnbulls?

Completely agree with this.

Wouldn't dream of defending Breakspear, but we 'played' him absolutely dreadfully last night.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 18, 2019, 13:13:21 pm
You use the term 'isolation'. And that leads me onto my point. The guy doesn't show, EVER, any degree of discretion. He's a non human VAR - he never spends a split second considering his actions, just reaches for his card as if he gets a kick out of it.

45 reds in his last 139 games apparently. Source James H (chron - on twitter)

I think it was Goode's booking. Where he slid in and caught their forward going sideways across the ede of the penalty box? Correct free kick, but a yellow? Technically yes, but first offense? Didn't mean it? Many ref's would have given a lecture...

For the sake of balance, their player who 'fouled' Adams. That wasn't a bloody booking, Adams totally 'bought it'. Just like their forward did with Smiths 2nd.

I do recall Turnbulls one but it wasn't at all obvious why he was booked, it was in the midfield area, ball went out for a throw in and he just waltzed over and booked him! No free kick was given so gord knows! Probably called him a c*** which if so, you couldn't blame him!  ;D

There were quite a few last night where he used discretion and didn't reach for his card.
Goode wasn't cautioned for the foul tackle, he said something to Mr Breakspear as he walked away.  Goode needs to learn that although he has the armband, it doesn't provide him with a licence to continually 'lecture' the officials as he does.
Saw the one on Adams, he sold him and it was bought.  It happens all of the time.  All footballers are cheats.  ;D
Turnbulls was when he brought down their player moving across the edge of the box about to pull the trigger.  He probably didn't need to bring him down but it was worthy of a caution.
I thought that the officials had a good game, but I look at it through a different set of eyes to many.  There are many that are a great deal worse than Mr Breakspear, he's probably been the best we have seen this season so far.
Hopefully my explanations help.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 18, 2019, 13:33:39 pm
I’ve noticed how when we lost to Bradford so many on here were slating KC for his poor substitutions but not seeing many people give him props for the Smith sub yesterday and change to 4-4-2 which enhanced us massively. Funny that.

Decent second half performance. Great play for the goal and brilliant defending for the last 20 mins. Thought we looked decent with 4-4-2 and I wouldn’t mind seeing Smith and Willo combo again in the future. We’re on the charge.
Bearing in mind all we did was hook the ball forward at every given opportunity , it was pretty obvious a target man needed to come on . Lines , Macwilliams and Hoskins hardly touched the ball other than when tracking back .
Football isn’t just about going forward and defensively it was excellent but jeez ....


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 18, 2019, 13:52:28 pm
Bearing in mind all we did was hook the ball forward at every given opportunity , it was pretty obvious a target man needed to come on . Lines , Macwilliams and Hoskins hardly touched the ball other than when tracking back .
Football isn’t just about going forward and defensively it was excellent but jeez ....

I got the impression from those near me last night that Turnball's substitution was part due to his earlier booking in the first half.
Last night KC got his substitutions/tactics correct.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3338 on September 18, 2019, 14:22:52 pm
:o  Seven in seven although one game he didn't but made up for it by two in one.  Remembering most of them and looking at them in isolation the majority were all for stupid decisions by the players involved.  (Notice JJOT received two cautions last night)

The second looked a lot worse from his angle (same as the TV) than ours and deserved a second caution, could have been a straight red.
Although as someone has said before, all teams know that Mr Breakspear applies the Law appropriately, why give him an excuse when so soon after your first, why go in for a 30/70 tackle like that?

So being a ref (I think?) what law do you think Smith broke in making his challenge? Straight question.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3086 on September 18, 2019, 14:34:22 pm
Really enjoyed last nights game. The presence of 'Charles' ensured that at some point, the atmosphere would be rampted up and as predictable as day, Smiths sending off was the catalyst for the away end to turn the volume up a notch or two and 'sing our way to victory'.

First half, poor. But what became apparent to me after 30 minutes was that to beat them, we needed to go with two lumps up top and smash the ball down their throats. I said at half time, that point. Im no fan of the long ball game usually, but last night it was needed. I was pleasantly surprised by the half term change (usually managers don't make such a change until the hour mark if their team isn't losing!) and within minutes, it got us up and running. After which, it seemed just a matter of time before we scored a 2nd goal and strolled our way to victory despite a non entity of a first 45 minutes.

Then, enter Smith. Again. First booking, must of been something he said? 2nd booking, I reckon any NORMAL ref would have given him a final warning. And only those NORMAL refs whom would have booked him, first time round. But not Charles, who couldn't wait to brandish the red card and no doubt spunk all over the pitch where the incident happened.

After which, we went backwards. And more backwards. And even more backwards. But KC had obviously done his homework. Let them cross it as many times as they want, just make sure the box is packed to clear the ball out. Our full backs moved inside so much I thought they were going to swap wings. Countless percentage balls, corners, crosses all went in, but if they won more than 10% of the first balls Id be surprised. And when they did, it didn't matter because we'd mop up 2nd time round.

A siege mentality is starting to emerge. This season, our team reminds me of Lincoln City's, last season. Lots of little things. Horrible, almost thug like away from home. Great football at home. Two different teams.  I really am starting to believe it could be a good one. Cant wait until Saturday!



Didn't notice that last night. Good spot!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: threeinabed on September 18, 2019, 14:55:56 pm
The bloke is a walking sending off every time he plays

how many times has he played for us?
how many times has he been sent off for us?

in fact, you can answer both those for his career stats as well if you like.

just so i am clear on what "every time" means.



Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 18, 2019, 15:32:07 pm
So being a ref (I think?) what law do you think Smith broke in making his challenge? Straight question.


Law 12: Unsporting Behaviour: Commits in a reckless manner a direct free kick offence.
Having looked at it from the officials' angle, which is where the TV camera was from, it 'could' have been interpreted as a red card offence (serious foul play).
It may have been the Assistant who advised the Referee 'only' to caution.

Since having moved to the 'dark side' and looking at incidents from a different set of eyes to when I played, I share the frustrations of any normal fan, however I now understand why and how those decisions are determined in accordance with the the Laws and the guidance for their interpretation.
That is why, contrary to the majority of opinions on here, I thought that the officials led by Mr Breakspear, had a good game last night.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: defender on September 18, 2019, 15:43:34 pm
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i could not make it last night, but a win and a clean sheet it will do me. there are a lot of Stevenage fans here, I am looking forward to seeing them on Friday evening at my local drinking hole i will give them some stick!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3338 on September 18, 2019, 16:02:54 pm
Law 12: Unsporting Behaviour: Commits in a reckless manner a direct free kick offence.
Having looked at it from the officials' angle, which is where the TV camera was from, it 'could' have been interpreted as a red card offence (serious foul play).
It may have been the Assistant who advised the Referee 'only' to caution.

Since having moved to the 'dark side' and looking at incidents from a different set of eyes to when I played, I share the frustrations of any normal fan, however I now understand why and how those decisions are determined in accordance with the the Laws and the guidance for their interpretation.
That is why, contrary to the majority of opinions on here, I thought that the officials led by Mr Breakspear, had a good game last night.
Ok thanks, understood.
So in this case, it's a subjective interpretation as to what is deemed unsporting or reckless.
I thought it was either that he momentarliy had both feet off the ground or that it was for an overly aggressive challenge.
The first I could accept, but I didnt personally think it was an overly aggressive tackle, just a well timed one that needed to be (else he would have been in trouble).
How the game has changed.
 


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: crazycobbler on September 18, 2019, 16:10:39 pm
Bearing in mind all we did was hook the ball forward at every given opportunity , it was pretty obvious a target man needed to come on . Lines , Macwilliams and Hoskins hardly touched the ball other than when tracking back .
Football isn’t just about going forward and defensively it was excellent but jeez ....

Obvious or not he deserves credit for yesterday’s adaptability after a poor first half showing.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 18, 2019, 16:24:56 pm
Ok thanks, understood.
So in this case, it's a subjective interpretation as to what is deemed unsporting or reckless.
I thought it was either that he momentarliy had both feet off the ground or that it was for an overly aggressive challenge.
The first I could accept, but I didnt personally think it was an overly aggressive tackle, just a well timed one that needed to be (else he would have been in trouble).
How the game has changed.
 

Unfortunately/fortunately, it has.
'Reckless' is the key word.
A direct free kick offence will not necessarily attract a caution, however if committed in a careless manner that endangers the opponent without thought for the consequences, it is classified as Reckless and will.  There is a fine line between Reckless and Serious Foul Play (excessive force or brutality), again an interpretation based on intent, which it probably would have been if he fully followed through.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on September 18, 2019, 16:34:41 pm
We certainly weren't great last night, but once again we looked very solid at the back and if we can keep that up we could have a good season. The spirit and passion seems to be there and we have a good defensive unit.

Excellent goal from Smith but frankly I thought the sending off was deserved. I think his first booking was for holding on to the ball while running back which is why the Stevenage goalie pushed him. Yellow card for both seems fair to me. Second yellow was a rash challenge which would have got a yellow from most refs. Both yellows totally unnecessary.

This brings me to another point. I think we are constantly pushing the gamesmanship limits when we are ahead in matches. Although all teams do it to an extent, I honestly think we're one of the worst I've seen for timewasting, holding on to the ball or kicking it away. We also show very little nouse when doing these things by holding on to the ball a bit longer than other teams or not moving away when the ref tell us when defending free kicks. We are lucky not to get more bookings like the one given to Smith yesterday. The main problem though is that I think it's counterproductive, both in attracting unnecessary bookings, getting the ref on the other team's side and winding up opposition fans, giving them a reason to get behind their team more.



Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 18, 2019, 17:20:21 pm
You can blame the players, but you still have to say that you wonder what’s going on with the EFL allowing Breakspear to continue? He must be aware of his reputation yet he still continues to do it “his way”. Ultimately the main issue with referees and what everyone would like to see is consistency. I am afraid there should be no place in the league for referees with the mindset of Breakspear. Either that or every other referee needs to modify their approach to his, which I am sure would be his view?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 18, 2019, 17:58:01 pm
To elaborate on this topic and for those who haven’t seen it there is a staggering statistic that has been reported in the Chron regarding Breakspear “Of the eight games he’s reffed Town across the past three seasons, he’s sent off seven different players. For context, of the other 134 league games Northampton have played in the same period, they’ve had a total of just eight red cards“ For those into sums that’s 87% versus 6% red cards/matches. There are 2 possible explanations for this, complete coincidence or complete cnnt. My moneys on the latter.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 18, 2019, 17:59:27 pm
You can blame the players, but you still have to say that you wonder what’s going on with the EFL allowing Breakspear to continue? He must be aware of his reputation yet he still continues to do it “his way”. Ultimately the main issue with referees and what everyone would like to see is consistency. I am afraid there should be no place in the league for referees with the mindset of Breakspear. Either that or every other referee needs to modify their approach to his, which I am sure would be his view?

Many would argue that 'his way' and his application of the Law is the correct way.
He officiates in accordance with the Law, why is he wrong?
Shouldn't the argument be for the others to have the same consistently correct approach?
The number of 'new' (and some of the old) referees we have seen this season already have not applied the Law with any consistency whatsoever, which creates more problems.
Those that know me, know that I criticise as well as defend officials, for example; the Bradford official lost control of the game to the players midway through the first half.  He would probably have been figuratively 'slaughtered' for that by his observer but in a positive manner to encourage improvement.  We'll see, the next time we have him.
Mr Breakspear is the epitome of what you are asking for but you criticise him for it?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 18, 2019, 18:23:22 pm
Many would argue that 'his way' and his application of the Law is the correct way.
He officiates in accordance with the Law, why is he wrong?
Shouldn't the argument be for the others to have the same consistently correct approach?
The number of 'new' (and some of the old) referees we have seen this season already have not applied the Law with any consistency whatsoever, which creates more problems.
Those that know me, know that I criticise as well as defend officials, for example; the Bradford official lost control of the game to the players midway through the first half.  He would probably have been figuratively 'slaughtered' for that by his observer but in a positive manner to encourage improvement.  We'll see, the next time we have him.
Mr Breakspear is the epitome of what you are asking for but you criticise him for it?
It’s a fair point DC but my view is slightly different. Put it another way, which is preferable, players modify their style of play to suit the relevant official? Or officials try to achieve a consistent benchmark in their interpretation of the laws? I think the only realistic answer is the latter. It should be the role of officials to apply the laws impartially, fairly and consistently. The key with consistency is comparably with other officials, not solely within the confines of individual interpretation, otherwise it is not fair. It should be a fundamental part of the officials role to seek parity with the rest of their profession, not act like Dirty Harry and be the one good cop in a bad town. No, I’m afraid my view is Mr Breakspear has lost his way, because lack of consistency goes against the basic principle of application of the laws of any field. Consistency has to be applied both individually and collectively in equal measure, not severally or by definition it can’t be consistent and that goes against a primary principle in the application of any law.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 18, 2019, 18:26:09 pm
We certainly weren't great last night, but once again we looked very solid at the back and if we can keep that up we could have a good season. The spirit and passion seems to be there and we have a good defensive unit.

Excellent goal from Smith but frankly I thought the sending off was deserved. I think his first booking was for holding on to the ball while running back which is why the Stevenage goalie pushed him. Yellow card for both seems fair to me. Second yellow was a rash challenge which would have got a yellow from most refs. Both yellows totally unnecessary.

This brings me to another point. I think we are constantly pushing the gamesmanship limits when we are ahead in matches. Although all teams do it to an extent, I honestly think we're one of the worst I've seen for timewasting, holding on to the ball or kicking it away. We also show very little nouse when doing these things by holding on to the ball a bit longer than other teams or not moving away when the ref tell us when defending free kicks. We are lucky not to get more bookings like the one given to Smith yesterday. The main problem though is that I think it's counterproductive, both in attracting unnecessary bookings, getting the ref on the other team's side and winding up opposition fans, giving them a reason to get behind their team more.


I am still of the opinion that Smiths first yellow was to put it mildly very harsh both should have been warned neither warranted a yellow.  As  for the second yellow it is easy to say it was a red; but the Stevenage players got what they wanted - Smith sent off. In other words they influenced the referee ably assisted by their player who lay in a crumpled heap but miraculously revived after  sending off. The referee showed no interest in the fallen player it was more about a red card being shown with hardly a moments hesitation. Perhaps the Stevenage player might have been booked for simulation?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Charlatan on September 18, 2019, 18:53:55 pm
We certainly weren't great last night, but once again we looked very solid at the back and if we can keep that up we could have a good season. The spirit and passion seems to be there and we have a good defensive unit.

Excellent goal from Smith but frankly I thought the sending off was deserved. I think his first booking was for holding on to the ball while running back which is why the Stevenage goalie pushed him. Yellow card for both seems fair to me. Second yellow was a rash challenge which would have got a yellow from most refs. Both yellows totally unnecessary.

This brings me to another point. I think we are constantly pushing the gamesmanship limits when we are ahead in matches. Although all teams do it to an extent, I honestly think we're one of the worst I've seen for timewasting, holding on to the ball or kicking it away. We also show very little nouse when doing these things by holding on to the ball a bit longer than other teams or not moving away when the ref tell us when defending free kicks. We are lucky not to get more bookings like the one given to Smith yesterday. The main problem though is that I think it's counterproductive, both in attracting unnecessary bookings, getting the ref on the other team's side and winding up opposition fans, giving them a reason to get behind their team more.

Good post Madrid. I must admit our time wasting/gamesmanship actually does my head in. Like you said we're not exactly clever about it. However I'll take the win, can't believe I'm really looking forward to Saturday again, that's 2 weeks on the trot now. Hats off to the team, KC & the travelling army, well done all round. UTC.




Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest48 on September 18, 2019, 19:00:17 pm
To elaborate on this topic and for those who haven’t seen it there is a staggering statistic that has been reported in the Chron regarding Breakspear “Of the eight games he’s reffed Town across the past three seasons, he’s sent off seven different players. For context, of the other 134 league games Northampton have played in the same period, they’ve had a total of just eight red cards“ For those into sums that’s 87% versus 6% red cards/matches. There are 2 possible explanations for this, complete coincidence or complete cnnt. My moneys on the latter.
Another point, knowing how much Breakspeare likes to dish out cards, in those 8 games he's reffed us, how many red cards have the opposition had ? the answer is NONE ! Must be a coincidence that our opponents are on their best behaviour. The bloke has a deep dislike of us and doesn't try to hide it, he's a d*ckhead


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3063 on September 18, 2019, 19:15:44 pm
Another point, knowing how much Breakspeare likes to dish out cards, in those 8 games he's reffed us, how many red cards have the opposition had ? the answer is NONE ! Must be a coincidence that our opponents are on their best behaviour. The bloke has a deep dislike of us and doesn't try to hide it, he's a d*ckhead

He did send that Walsall striker off (Bakayoko) a couple of seasons ago but then Matt Crooks talked himself into being sent off shortly afterwards.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: EB Claret on September 18, 2019, 20:10:11 pm
He did send that Walsall striker off (Bakayoko) a couple of seasons ago but then Matt Crooks talked himself into being sent off shortly afterwards.
Pretty sure Crooks was told by the Ref he was being sent off for violent conduct, which never happened. He's the king of the idiot referees.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Larry on September 18, 2019, 20:41:01 pm
I appreciate I'm in the minority here but to give the point of view from Breakespeare is that if a player deliberately commits a foul then he's a definite candidate for a yellow or red card. Clumsy and miss-timed tackles can be forgiven but if you deliberately foul a player then you shouldn't be allowed to complain about the level of punishment. It was the same with hand balls and 'professional' fouls back in the day.
Cynical and deliberate tackles should be eradicated from football.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 19, 2019, 05:45:23 am
It’s a fair point DC but my view is slightly different. Put it another way, which is preferable, players modify their style of play to suit the relevant official? Or officials try to achieve a consistent benchmark in their interpretation of the laws? I think the only realistic answer is the latter. It should be the role of officials to apply the laws impartially, fairly and consistently. The key with consistency is comparably with other officials, not solely within the confines of individual interpretation, otherwise it is not fair. It should be a fundamental part of the officials role to seek parity with the rest of their profession, not act like Dirty Harry and be the one good cop in a bad town. No, I’m afraid my view is Mr Breakspear has lost his way, because lack of consistency goes against the basic principle of application of the laws of any field. Consistency has to be applied both individually and collectively in equal measure, not severally or by definition it can’t be consistent and that goes against a primary principle in the application of any law.

KCs comments about the referee in the Chron sum the situation up perfectly for me. He said (in summary) that applying the law by dishing out soft yellow cards early in the game then leaves nowhere to go later on when things heat up a bit. Curle suggested that he wished our nemesis would learn a bit from this and use a more common sense approach and let the game flow a bit more.

Not sure whether that's ever going to happen though!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest3264 on September 19, 2019, 06:23:41 am
Anybody find out the total of the excellant Cobblers turnout for Tuesday night's game?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 19, 2019, 06:37:59 am
Anybody find out the total of the excellant Cobblers turnout for Tuesday night's game?

460 out of 2877 apparently...


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 19, 2019, 07:38:44 am
When all is said and done , Breakspear handled the game relatively well and Smith deserved to be sent off.
Moving forward , Smith would be well advised to channel his aggression to make himself a better footballer rather than acting as a hot head all over the pitch every time he plays . If he did that , he could turn out to be a decent player


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 19, 2019, 09:05:05 am
When all is said and done , Breakspear handled the game relatively well and Smith deserved to be sent off.
Moving forward , Smith would be well advised to channel his aggression to make himself a better footballer rather than acting as a hot head all over the pitch every time he plays . If he did that , he could turn out to be a decent player

So now in addition to KC you now add Smith as a target for your unprincipled comments.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 19, 2019, 09:30:43 am
So now in addition to KC you now add Smith as a target for your unprincipled comments.
Ha ha ..... hilarious how you try to get a reaction . Have you got a slow day ahead or something ?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2019, 11:03:19 am
460 out of 2877 apparently...

This was laughable. Not a chance was there anywhere near 2,400 home fans.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 19, 2019, 11:05:08 am
Quote from KC
“ we took an extra touch and people came in short to supply a pass to “
In other words - wallop it son and you lot chase after the f****r....
Today’s training - watch the rugby World Cup !
Keep on trucking lads


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 19, 2019, 11:27:17 am
This was laughable. Not a chance was there anywhere near 2,400 home fans.

I thought that we had about the 450-500 mark, the stand is a 1400 seater and there were quite a few covered.
Irrespective, a good turn out that produced a good noise.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Irchy cob on September 19, 2019, 11:39:06 am
Quote from KC
“ we took an extra touch and people came in short to supply a pass to “
In other words - wallop it son and you lot chase after the f****r....
Today’s training - watch the rugby World Cup !
Keep on trucking lads

Jeez mate, you need to turn it in - we’re fully aware that you don’t like Curle or his style of play but you don’t need to constantly go on about it. The consensus from most who were there is that they enjoyed and appreciated the steely, backs to the wall performance - no it wasn’t particularly pleasing on the eye but we won the game and are on a bit of a run and confidence will hopefully be boosted. We’ve also got to bear in mind that we are without Watson who was arguably our best player until he got injured and McCormack who if/when fully fit should be an asset. On the subject of Harry Smith, another whom you seem to have taken against, can’t we put his red card down to inexperience coupled with the elation of having opened his account a few minutes before? Whenever he’s been on the pitch he’s had his shirt ripped which shows that it works both ways.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: threeinabed on September 19, 2019, 11:50:15 am
Quote from KC
“ we took an extra touch and people came in short to supply a pass to “
In other words - wallop it son and you lot chase after the f****r....
Today’s training - watch the rugby World Cup !
Keep on trucking lads

just wanted to check - it was 0-0 at half time, and then he changed the tactics and we won 1-0 and his half time sub scored the winner?! is that right?!

i suppose he didnt want to say that turnbull was slowing the game down too much when he had the ball.

the pundits thoughts spurs were overplaying and too slow on the ball last night, but i doubt people are bemoaning Poch for it.

they said the same about arsenal too as they squandered their lead at watford.

not sure the plymouth fans would have gone home from sixfields happy with a 3-1 loss either, as at least they overplayed it at the back.

you dont get promotion for looking pretty, you get it for the most points come the end of the season - if every now and then we get them with a performance like this then we should be happy. i'll take the performances at home against plymouth and newport if away from home we are digging in when needed and picking up points.

i am still waiting on the stats regarding harry smith being a "walking sending off every time he plays" as well if you have time.

thanks


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 19, 2019, 11:58:40 am
KCs comments about the referee in the Chron sum the situation up perfectly for me. He said (in summary) that applying the law by dishing out soft yellow cards early in the game then leaves nowhere to go later on when things heat up a bit. Curle suggested that he wished our nemesis would learn a bit from this and use a more common sense approach and let the game flow a bit more.

Not sure whether that's ever going to happen though!


Which ones were the 'soft' early yellow cards?  21', 25', 38' or 41'?  Or do we stop having yellow cards in the first half?
All four were fully justified and mandatory.
That was despite he issued the first he had provided verbal warnings to a number of players from both sides that could have attracted cautions.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 19, 2019, 12:45:20 pm
I appreciate I'm in the minority here but to give the point of view from Breakespeare is that if a player deliberately commits a foul then he's a definite candidate for a yellow or red card. Clumsy and miss-timed tackles can be forgiven but if you deliberately foul a player then you shouldn't be allowed to complain about the level of punishment. It was the same with hand balls and 'professional' fouls back in the day.
Cynical and deliberate tackles should be eradicated from football.

If you are referring to the Smith incident then that conclusion is wrong as the second incident was not a deliberate foul with an attempt to injure player. It was mistimed perhaps but not malicious. What is cynical is the behaviour of the Stevenage players including the 'tackled' player.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 19, 2019, 13:23:01 pm
just wanted to check - it was 0-0 at half time, and then he changed the tactics and we won 1-0 and his half time sub scored the winner?! is that right?!

i suppose he didnt want to say that turnbull was slowing the game down too much when he had the ball.


thanks


I thought that Turnbull was subbed as he was booked and looked likely to receive another? Well that was the conclusion from learned fans near me!


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 19, 2019, 13:27:52 pm
I thought that Turnbull was subbed as he was booked and looked likely to receive another? Well that was the conclusion from learned fans near me!

Formation change to 4-4-2 with McWilliams dropping more defensive, showed the tactical change.
A good move by KC which would have probably created even more goals until the red card.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 19, 2019, 17:53:02 pm
So now in addition to KC you now add Smith as a target for your unprincipled comments.

To be honest Evers, I personally agree with what B&S says here. I've no agenda against anyone at all.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 19, 2019, 17:55:53 pm
Which ones were the 'soft' early yellow cards?  21', 25', 38' or 41'?  Or do we stop having yellow cards in the first half?
All four were fully justified and mandatory.
That was despite he issued the first he had provided verbal warnings to a number of players from both sides that could have attracted cautions.


Sorry, was just paraphrasing what KC said to the Chron?


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 19, 2019, 18:43:04 pm
Sorry, was just paraphrasing what KC said to the Chron?

 ;)


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Larry on September 19, 2019, 21:58:28 pm
If you are referring to the Smith incident then that conclusion is wrong as the second incident was not a deliberate foul with an attempt to injure player. It was mistimed perhaps but not malicious. What is cynical is the behaviour of the Stevenage players including the 'tackled' player.


I wasn’t referring to any particular incident, just that deliberate fouls including body checks should all be candidates for cards. A simple free kick can often be beneficial to the team that commits the foul. It must be virtually the only sport where breaking the rules can gain an advantage.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 19, 2019, 22:52:14 pm
To be honest Evers, I personally agree with what B&S says here. I've no agenda against anyone at all.
Thank you ‘71.
I have no agenda either but do expect a level of skill when I pay to watch a football match


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: guest2995 on September 19, 2019, 23:09:35 pm
Jeez mate, you need to turn it in - we’re fully aware that you don’t like Curle or his style of play but you don’t need to constantly go on about it. The consensus from most who were there is that they enjoyed and appreciated the steely, backs to the wall performance - no it wasn’t particularly pleasing on the eye but we won the game and are on a bit of a run and confidence will hopefully be boosted. We’ve also got to bear in mind that we are without Watson who was arguably our best player until he got injured and McCormack who if/when fully fit should be an asset. On the subject of Harry Smith, another whom you seem to have taken against, can’t we put his red card down to inexperience coupled with the elation of having opened his account a few minutes before? Whenever he’s been on the pitch he’s had his shirt ripped which shows that it works both ways.
Sorry Irchy . I do respect your views and your well balanced posts .
Of course I am happy we are getting results and building momentum. I just get frustrated with the standard of football we seem to aspire to .
I take on board your comments and will try and go along with it !


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: Irchy cob on September 20, 2019, 13:14:48 pm
Sorry Irchy . I do respect your views and your well balanced posts .
Of course I am happy we are getting results and building momentum. I just get frustrated with the standard of football we seem to aspire to .
I take on board your comments and will try and go along with it !

No worries mate, apologies if it came across as hostile. I think we’d all love to see us playing expansive, attacking football but at the moment I think we’re starting to build some foundations and hopefully we’ll be able to improve from there. The last 2 home performances have been really enjoyable and hopefully tomorrow will be a continuation.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: everbrite on September 21, 2019, 09:27:26 am
Thank you ‘71.
I have no agenda either but do expect a level of skill when I pay to watch a football match


Bet you a fiver we will see another ‘told you so’ at the earliest p.m! You have strong form on KC. Bet you are all in a tremble with anticipation.


Title: Re: Stevenage away
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on September 21, 2019, 10:16:11 am
Bet you a fiver we will see another ‘told you so’ at the earliest p.m! You have strong form on KC. Bet you are all in a tremble with anticipation.

Ooh er, missus!