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Title: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Why? on January 14, 2020, 22:56:05 pm
An alternative game.

The enigma..... They are under change with the arrival of Derek Adams.

We need a strong back 4 for this one.  I expect lots of long-balls from them planted into the area around our corner flag.

But, then, what do I know? 

Our quality in front of goal will slice them to the core.

7-1 to us!

We are Curley-Cobblers, and we will win!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 15, 2020, 00:21:10 am
We have a decent record against these.
Played 15
Won 7
Draw 6
Lose 2

Therefore I have a very good feeling...

3-1 Cobbs Willo, Olly and The Hoskmeister

Yes they won tonight and they have awful away record..



Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: guest48 on January 15, 2020, 10:55:51 am
I think we will need at least 2 goals as Kevin Ellison always scores against us !


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Irchy cob on January 15, 2020, 11:08:29 am
I think we will need at least 2 goals as Kevin Ellison always scores against us !

He hasn’t been in their squad for the last few games, don’t know if he’s injured? Watching their highlights over the weekend they’re a team of giants so it’s likely to be another game where defending and attacking set pieces are crucial.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 15, 2020, 11:22:51 am
We should have won the game up there...threw away a 2 goal lead. We also lost there last season when they hadn't won for ages. So a bit of a bogey side for us away....

They did beat Port Vale 2-0 at home last night, so that will give them confidence, as well as having tired them out a bit!

Lets be honest, we should be winning games like this, but we often struggle against the lower teams.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: west stand oap on January 15, 2020, 11:56:24 am
Morecambe have picked up 4 points from their home games against Colchester and Port Vale but have only scored 8 away goals in 13 matches while conceding 26. They have the worst defensive record in the division and only Stevenage have scored fewer goals. I believe we will prove too strong for them and send Derek Adams home defeated, although he will claim they were the better team and deserved to win.
Expect a cracking atmosphere as a travelling army of about 80 rock the south stand to it's rafters. If it turns out to be a choice of Stevenage or Morecambe who go down I hope it is Morecambe as Stevenage is a local game and they are slightly better supported.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: singcobb on January 15, 2020, 16:41:48 pm
It's not going to be an easy game, I have a feeling it is going to be very physical.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Alan Partridge on January 15, 2020, 16:58:37 pm
We have a decent record against these.
Played 15
Won 7
Draw 6
Lose 2

Therefore I have a very good feeling...

3-1 Cobbs Willo, Olly and The Hoskmeister

Yes they won tonight and they have awful away record..



It's actually better than that,
Played 17
Won 9
Drawn 6
Lost 2
For 31
Against 19

And broken down home and away,

Home
P 8
W 4
D 3
L 1
F 14
A 8

Away
P 9
W 5
D 3
L 1
F 17
A 11

Not sure how that makes them a bogey side away!  ???


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 15, 2020, 17:02:54 pm
A small bogey which has only developed over the past two games!   ;)


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Adam-NTFC on January 15, 2020, 19:52:26 pm
He hasn’t been in their squad for the last few games, don’t know if he’s injured? Watching their highlights over the weekend they’re a team of giants so it’s likely to be another game where defending and attacking set pieces are crucial.

Definitely not injured - he's a good follow on Twitter. Posted something about not getting in the match day squad last weekend. They only had 6 on the bench!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Coolcat on January 16, 2020, 14:21:59 pm
We should have won the game up there...threw away a 2 goal lead. We also lost there last season when they hadn't won for ages. So a bit of a bogey side for us away....

They did beat Port Vale 2-0 at home last night, so that will give them confidence, as well as having tired them out a bit!

Lets be honest, we should be winning games like this, but we often struggle against the lower teams.
A tad less confidence...it finished 2-1!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 16, 2020, 22:02:41 pm
Hopefully Morecambe have got their win out of the way now and we can get the 3 points. It won't be easy. I'm sure they will come and defend in numbers. If we can get an earlyish goal then there's no reason why we can't go on and get 3, 4 or 5.

Lowest away following of the season I'd guess. 100 maybe.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: andy scouse on January 17, 2020, 07:44:35 am
Our current track record against Derek Adam sides is good, long may it continue, he is a bit of a whinger in the Dave Artell mould.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on January 17, 2020, 10:57:44 am
I reckon Morecambe will score first and then we’ll score 3. The 3-1 score is definitely correct, although the goals are not necessarily in the right order?


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2020, 11:43:46 am
This will be something like a 2-0 win. Bit frustrating at times but comfortable in the end.

Ideally we get an early goal and force them to come at us.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: guest48 on January 17, 2020, 11:45:11 am
I reckon Morecambe will score first and then we’ll score 3. The 3-1 score is definitely correct, although the goals are not necessarily in the right order?
Very good  ;D


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Coolcat on January 17, 2020, 11:46:24 am
This will be something like a 2-0 win. Bit frustrating at times but comfortable in the end.

Ideally we get an early goal and force them to come at us.
Surely, getting a goal and forcing them to sit back would be preferable?  ;D


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: 1971cobbler on January 17, 2020, 12:28:48 pm
Very good  ;D

Indeed. One of the funniest sketches of all time.   :)


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: guest2995 on January 18, 2020, 05:00:21 am
These are exactly the games Curle’s sides struggle in .
It won’t be going down in my list at corals today as a certain home win .
I hope we try and open them up rather than bombard them . It should be a game Lines takes control of or even Warburton if he came on 😏


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Aitobs on January 18, 2020, 13:41:08 pm
Both sides unchanged.

Cobblers XI: Cobblers: Cornell, Goode, Wharton, Turnbull, Lines, Watson, Anderson, Adams, Hoskins, Williams, Oliver

Subs: Arnold, Harriman, Martin, Hall-Johnson, Roberts, Pollock, Waters, Warburton


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: WasRambo on January 18, 2020, 13:55:08 pm
Afternoon

Strong 11 bar Macca

Anyone else think the bench is a tittle light though?

Be nice if we could get a couple of new faces in


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Winslow Lee on January 18, 2020, 14:20:28 pm
Both sides unchanged.

Cobblers XI: Cobblers: Cornell, Goode, Wharton, Turnbull, Lines, Watson, Anderson, Adams, Hoskins, Williams, Oliver

Subs: Arnold, Harriman, Martin, Hall-Johnson, Roberts, Pollock, Waters, Warburton

I thought Waters has gone?


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 14:28:25 pm
I've got a bad feeling about this game.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 14:30:24 pm
I don't now! Get in there!!!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 14:31:22 pm
I thought Waters has gone?
hes on the bench for Newport today


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Winslow Lee on January 18, 2020, 14:31:31 pm
I've got a bad feeling about this game.
👍


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 14:31:50 pm
Ando!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 14:32:12 pm
I've got a bad feeling about this game.
i dont


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 14:35:00 pm
Pete Walton just given us a mention on BT Sport.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 14:39:40 pm
I truly believe theres a 2nd goal in us


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 14:40:07 pm
Pete Walton just given us a mention on BT Sport.
hes the greatest


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 14:42:08 pm
I truly believe theres a 2nd goal in us
I don't


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 14:42:29 pm
 ;D
hes the greatest


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 14:49:50 pm
Yesssssss 2


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 14:50:01 pm
Yes!!!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 14:50:55 pm
The Watmeister...hes having a stormer today


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 14:52:41 pm
The Watmeister...hes having a stormer today
He's the greatest!!!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Welly Cobb on January 18, 2020, 14:53:42 pm
That second was Anderson wasnt it  ???


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 14:54:05 pm
2-0 HT

We've been solid but not outstanding. Morecambe look decent tbh. Cornells made at least 3 decent saves.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 14:55:41 pm
That second was Anderson wasnt it  ???
He's the greatest as well then.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: TownOwl on January 18, 2020, 14:57:00 pm
Their 19 Carlos Mendes Gomez is running the game. Luckily he's not got anyone with him. We were second best for a fair bit of that so mightily relieved to be 2-0 up.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 14:57:59 pm
He's the greatest as well then.
;D


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: CobblerForever on January 18, 2020, 15:09:17 pm
4,761 the gate. Many Morecambe fans there ?


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 18, 2020, 15:10:34 pm
4,761 the gate. Many Morecambe fans there ?

109


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 15:15:49 pm
Get in there!!!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 15:19:11 pm
I truly believe theres a 4th goal in us


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 15:24:49 pm
I truly believe theres a 4th goal in us
I don't


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 15:25:51 pm
Sack 'em all!!!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 15:26:10 pm
Curle out!!!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 15:30:08 pm
He's got to go.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 15:32:16 pm
If they score again im starting the ironing


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Bugbrooke Boy on January 18, 2020, 15:33:59 pm
You're a fan of the pressing game, then?


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 15:34:20 pm
Olly and Ando off
Harri and Warbs on


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 15:35:59 pm
Yessssss thats 4


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 15:36:25 pm
Forget my last post. I'm sorry Keith.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 15:36:52 pm
I knew the ironing board threat would work


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 15:37:05 pm
You're a fan of the pressing game, then?
;D


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 15:37:52 pm
Last one for the day.
I truly believe theres a 5th goal in us


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Bugbrooke Boy on January 18, 2020, 15:38:32 pm
So the board likes the pressing game, too, huh?


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 15:39:06 pm
That 4th goal was fantastic


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 15:39:27 pm
Last one for the day.
I truly believe theres a 5th goal in us
I don't


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: WasRambo on January 18, 2020, 15:39:52 pm
Pretty sure someone jokingly predicted 7-1

I've just slapped £3 on it at 100/1


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 15:41:30 pm
Pretty sure someone jokingly predicted 7-1

I've just slapped £3 on it at 100/1
You're the greatest!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 18, 2020, 15:55:35 pm
4-1 FT
We're officially the greatest team in the World.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Baldy on January 18, 2020, 16:02:02 pm
4-1 FT
We're officially the greatest team in the World.
Undoubtedly!!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Bingers on January 18, 2020, 16:08:16 pm
Hurrah!

I've been following the game outside, taking advantage of the sunshine to give my chainsaw a good clean.  All wood chopped and split for the week.

It been a good day.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2020, 16:20:51 pm
This will be something like a 2-0 win. Bit frustrating at times but comfortable in the end.

Ideally we get an early goal and force them to come at us.

Basically nailed it  ;D


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Irchy cob on January 18, 2020, 16:35:21 pm
Why didn’t the guy on radio Northampton ask Curle about McCormack or any potential incomings - so frustrating.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 18, 2020, 16:44:17 pm
Why didn’t the guy on radio Northampton ask Curle about McCormack or any potential incomings - so frustrating.
My thoughts exactly, maybe told not to by that half wit press officer with the bad shoes Wiltshire.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on January 18, 2020, 17:01:39 pm
Solid performance, thought we were slightly flattered by 4-1 to be truthful. Having said that there was only ever one winner. Think Nicky Adams is getting better and better. I had doubts about this sides chances of doing well without McCormack but have slowly changed my mind on that. Well done chaps.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on January 18, 2020, 17:15:40 pm
I thought 4-1 flattered Morecambe if anything. To be 2-0 up at H/T and then 3-0 up early in the second, probably made it look like it had been easier for us than it had been, but we still deserved to be ahead at half-time and had been the better side. After they had a 5-10 period during the second half where they scored and had one or two other chances, we took control, played some great stuff and could have scored 4 or 5 more.

Lines is improving and is looking more mobile than he had been earlier in the season, scored a great goal and is growing in confidence and influence, while Watson also had another influential game. Adams is getting better and better, Williams had an excellent match, while Anderson and Oliver were also very good.

With McCormack still to come back, we're really forming into a very good team.

Bring on the Orient!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Irchy cob on January 18, 2020, 17:25:36 pm
I thought 4-1 flattered Morecambe if anything. To be 3-0 up at H/T probably made it look like it had been easier for us than it had been, but we still deserved to be ahead and had been the better side. After they had a 5-10 period during the second half where they scored and had one or two other chances, we took control, played some great stuff and could have scored 4 or 5 more.

Lines is improving and is looking more mobile than he had been earlier in the season, scored a great goal and is growing in confidence and influence, while Watson also had another influential game. Adams is getting better and better, Williams had an excellent match, while Anderson and Oliver were also very good.

With McCormack still to come back, we're really forming into a very good team.

Bring on the Orient!

It shows how we see things differently - I thought we were very flat for large periods of the game (particularly first half) and the midfield 2 of lines and Watson struggled to get involved. Second half was a slight improvement but we are missing McCormack which is all the more reason for the guy on the radio to ask Curle about his condition (I thought he was back training/ in contention well over a week ago?).  In McCormack and McWilliams absence we are lacking a tackler/ball winner in midfield and it might start to cost us when we play the better teams in the coming weeks.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on January 18, 2020, 17:42:09 pm
It shows how we see things differently - I thought we were very flat for large periods of the game (particularly first half) and the midfield 2 of lines and Watson struggled to get involved. Second half was a slight improvement but we are missing McCormack which is all the more reason for the guy on the radio to ask Curle about his condition (I thought he was back training/ in contention well over a week ago?).  In McCormack and McWilliams absence we are lacking a tackler/ball winner in midfield and it might start to cost us when we play the better teams in the coming weeks.

I did imply that at 3-0 the scoreline flattered us a bit, and I'd probably agree that we were 'a little bit flat' in the first half, but I still thought we were the better team and deserved to be ahead.

Second half they had a 5-10 minute spell where they got a goal and could easily have got another, but then we took control and played some great stuff in the last 25 minutes. In the end, they were fortunate that it didn't end up 6 or 7-1 or even worse.

The reporter asking Curle about McCormack is natural, he's one of our best players, but that doesn't imply anything about our performance today. As I said, we have him to come back so we will be even stronger when he does.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: BackOfTheNet on January 18, 2020, 18:07:04 pm
We were decent today. A more enjoyable match all around with us mixing up our style of play a bit more. 4 goals never hurts the entertainment value either!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: guest3338 on January 18, 2020, 18:33:45 pm
After they had a 5-10 period during the second half where they scored and had one or two other chances, we took control, played some great stuff and could have scored 4 or 5 more.
4 or 5? You're definitely a glass half full dragon.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: EB Claret on January 18, 2020, 19:32:07 pm
Good result but not a great performance. There were spells in the game where we went too long, too soon, too often and the ball came straight back at us. The first goal was a stroke of luck but the others were well taken. For a while after half time I thought we looked rather complacent but after the fourth goal we played some good stuff, passed the ball around and looked dangerous. In the last ten minutes we could have scored five more.
I think every player had a shout for MOM but what about Scott Wharton again, cool, composed and makes football look easy, just don't tell Blackburn!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: guest2995 on January 18, 2020, 19:56:27 pm
We were clinical today , as we have been all season .
That said , we were average , one paced and sloppy . No one stood out but we won with ease .
So many opposition managers claim they were hard done by but we are just stronger and have a winning mentality .
We lack quality but have winners and belief


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2020, 20:16:45 pm
The cross, the massive Linesyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyys shout and the unbelievable finish. Oh god that fourth goal  :o can’t stop watching it  ;D


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: TownOwl on January 18, 2020, 20:23:00 pm
I think every player had a shout for MOM but what about Scott Wharton again, cool, composed and makes football look easy, just don't tell Blackburn!

Blackburn did just fine today without Wharton.

I'm going to mention their No 19 again. Looked a class above league 2.

Credit to Morecambe for going 3 up top at 0-3 down. A lot of teams would shut up shop and avoid a battering, but they went for it, got 1 goal and it was working, leaving us 3v3 at the back frequently. The 2 goal recovery at their place came to mind. But good tactical nouse from Curle switching to a back 4. This neutralised the threat and allowed us to totally boss the rest of the game.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 18, 2020, 21:45:27 pm
I felt it was a fairly flat 65-70 minutes despite the score line. We just took,our chances, Morecambe didn't despite their good football. It was only once we'd gone 4-1 up that we started playing better football ourselves  and created good chances which woke the quiet crowd up a bit.
Squad looks a little thin at the moment and we could do with a couple o fresh signings but they have to fit within the group which is clearly very close knit.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: everbrite on January 18, 2020, 21:48:38 pm
I thought 4-1 flattered Morecambe if anything. To be 2-0 up at H/T and then 3-0 up early in the second, probably made it look like it had been easier for us than it had been, but we still deserved to be ahead at half-time and had been the better side. After they had a 5-10 period during the second half where they scored and had one or two other chances, we took control, played some great stuff and could have scored 4 or 5 more.

Lines is improving and is looking more mobile than he had been earlier in the season, scored a great goal and is growing in confidence and influence, while Watson also had another influential game. Adams is getting better and better, Williams had an excellent match, while Anderson and Oliver were also very good.

With McCormack still to come back, we're really forming into a very good team.

Bring on the Orient!

I thought that Williams did well in the pressing game not sure about his overall contribution. Thought that your pal Cornell made at least one decent save. They missed a first half sitter; would Martin of Derby put that away? Also thought that they were better than anticipated;who was the guy with 'white boots' for them? Looked better than Stevenage  but both sides seem unable to take gilt edge chances.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Irchy cob on January 19, 2020, 06:53:34 am
I felt it was a fairly flat 65-70 minutes despite the score line. We just took,our chances, Morecambe didn't despite their good football. It was only once we'd gone 4-1 up that we started playing better football ourselves  and created good chances which woke the quiet crowd up a bit.
Squad looks a little thin at the moment and we could do with a couple o fresh signings but they have to fit within the group which is clearly very close knit.

I completely agree with all that.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Clarity on January 19, 2020, 08:51:55 am
Blackburn did just fine today without Wharton.

I'm going to mention their No 19 again. Looked a class above league 2.

Credit to Morecambe for going 3 up top at 0-3 down. A lot of teams would shut up shop and avoid a battering, but they went for it, got 1 goal and it was working, leaving us 3v3 at the back frequently. The 2 goal recovery at their place came to mind. But good tactical nouse from Curle switching to a back 4. This neutralised the threat and allowed us to totally boss the rest of the game.
I agree about their no 19. Wouldn’t mind seeing him in claret & white


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: 1971cobbler on January 19, 2020, 09:31:06 am
I agree about their no 19. Wouldn’t mind seeing him in claret & white

He's listed on Wiki as a striker, did he play in that position yesterday?


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: west stand oap on January 19, 2020, 10:05:37 am
As predicted we get the usual comments from their deluded manager Adams whose sides never deserve to lose, they were the better side over 90 minutes and it was deadfields not sixfields. Yes Derek we cannot create the atmosphere you get at home from your 1600 gates but it was a little subdude yesterday at times.
Would also agree with you Derek that you played some pretty football in the middle of the park but results depend on what matters at each end of the pitch and your finishing was abysmal and defence not much better. It is obvious why you have the worst defensive record in the division and the second worst attacking record and that is why you are bottom of the league.
I get fed up with visiting managers saying that we would have won if we had taken our chances, well if we had converted more of our chances you would have been beaten more convincingly. After going 4-1 up we could easily have gone on to score 6,7 or 8.
  Derek like a lot of teams that have come and played some pretty tippy tappy football ie Crewe, Plymouth you lost, you may not like our style but it is getting results and we are in a results business. 


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Winslow Lee on January 19, 2020, 10:58:29 am
Thought that your pal Cornell made at least one decent save.
Poor effort for their goal though


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on January 19, 2020, 12:44:03 pm
As predicted we get the usual comments from their deluded manager Adams whose sides never deserve to lose, they were the better side over 90 minutes and it was deadfields not sixfields. Yes Derek we cannot create the atmosphere you get at home from your 1600 gates but it was a little subdude yesterday at times.
Would also agree with you Derek that you played some pretty football in the middle of the park but results depend on what matters at each end of the pitch and your finishing was abysmal and defence not much better. It is obvious why you have the worst defensive record in the division and the second worst attacking record and that is why you are bottom of the league.
I get fed up with visiting managers saying that we would have won if we had taken our chances, well if we had converted more of our chances you would have been beaten more convincingly. After going 4-1 up we could easily have gone on to score 6,7 or 8.
  Derek like a lot of teams that have come and played some pretty tippy tappy football ie Crewe, Plymouth you lost, you may not like our style but it is getting results and we are in a results business. 
TBH I don’t think these managers really believe this stuff? Neither are they talking to their fans, our fans or even the media in general? I reckon this is solely about having an influence on their own squad and trying to lift them etc after defeat, can’t blame them really?


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 19, 2020, 13:00:25 pm
TBH I don’t think these managers really believe this stuff? Neither are they talking to their fans, our fans or even the media in general? I reckon this is solely about having an influence on their own squad and trying to lift them etc after defeat, can’t blame them really?
Of course they're not talking to NTFC or our fans, any fool knows that everything a manager says revolves around his players. How many times do we see managers saying something like "player x had a great game" when they were ok at best? It's do with building his players up.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Coolcat on January 19, 2020, 13:47:31 pm
Of course they're not talking to NTFC or our fans, any fool knows that everything a manager says revolves around his players. How many times do we see managers saying something like "player x had a great game" when they were ok at best? It's do with building his players up.
Nevertheless, Adams is a complete - however Manwork described Walsall fans!  ;D


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: everbrite on January 19, 2020, 14:15:06 pm
Poor effort for their goal though

Yes having seen the replay you might be right. At the time it seemed a reasonable effort! He was at full stretch so could not gather the ball. Where your opinion may be on shaky ground ;) is that the goal keeping experts  on here have remained ominously silent. Have to wait and see!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on January 19, 2020, 16:13:44 pm
Yes having seen the replay you might be right. At the time it seemed a reasonable effort! He was at full stretch so could not gather the ball. Where your opinion may be on shaky ground ;) is that the goal keeping experts  on here have remained ominously silent. Have to wait and see!

Evers, I can't win can I? Did I mention Cornell in any of my posts? No. So even when nobody brings him up, you have to make a dig - unnecessary. As you've brought their goal up however! it was clear from where I was in the North Stand that it was a poor piece of 'keeping, there's no 'might be' about it. But it doesn't matter as it didn't cost us and I'd rather focus on an excellent win.

If that had been Arnold in goal their are some posters on here who would have slated him, as many have already virtually written him off after only a small number of appearances. The hypocrisy is astounding.

I thought that Williams did well in the pressing game not sure about his overall contribution. Thought that your pal Cornell made at least one decent save. They missed a first half sitter; would Martin of Derby put that away? Also thought that they were better than anticipated;who was the guy with 'white boots' for them? Looked better than Stevenage  but both sides seem unable to take gilt edge chances.

Your thoughts on Williams here - to use a phrase you like to throw around - talk about damning with faint praise! Williams had an excellent game and exerted considerably more influence on the result than did Cornell, but judging by your comments it would seem that Cornell had more impact on the game! Simply ridiculous. I'm not saying this to have a moan about Cornell, I'm bringing it up to point out the hypocrisy in many of your posts.

Anyway, enjoy the rest of your Sunday!  ;D



Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: guest2995 on January 19, 2020, 17:00:12 pm
Evers, I can't win can I? Did I mention Cornell in any of my posts? No. So even when nobody brings him up, you have to make a dig - unnecessary. As you've brought their goal up however! it was clear from where I was in the North Stand that it was a poor piece of 'keeping, there's no 'might be' about it. But it doesn't matter as it didn't cost us and I'd rather focus on an excellent win.

If that had been Arnold in goal their are some posters on here who would have slated him, as many have already virtually written him off after only a small number of appearances. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Your thoughts on Williams here - to use a phrase you like to throw around - talk about damning with faint praise! Williams had an excellent game and exerted considerably more influence on the result than did Cornell, but judging by your comments it would seem that Cornell had more impact on the game! Simply ridiculous. I'm not saying this to have a moan about Cornell, I'm bringing it up to point out the hypocrisy in many of your posts.

Anyway, enjoy the rest of your Sunday!  ;D


Cornell kept us in the game yesterday during the first half . Williams had a quiet game , as did Oliver .
As for derek Adams - the man is deluded


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: andy scouse on January 19, 2020, 17:16:26 pm
At least some of the negativity about yesterdays performance has watered down a bit in the latest postings.I am sticking to my word from earlier this season  and posting my views on Curle and the negative Northamptonian attitude towards him until the season is over. It is a prospect I am looking forward to with some vigour.I just keep reminding myself of the stick Wilder got from the West Stand in the first half of the title winning season


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 19, 2020, 18:39:13 pm
Thought we were exceptionally poor in the first half yesterday, both our goals were more than sloppy from a defensive perspective (I actually agree with Adams ref the free kick which ultimately lead to our first goal, Charlie doing what Charlie does best  ;D )...

We improved 2nd half, and towards the end really opened up. But 4-1 absolutely flattered us.

That said. Football is won and lost in the penalty areas and we were considerably better than our opponents in both boxes!

Perhaps that's why KC isn't interested too much in the middle third; after all, we've seen numerous times now this season where we've struggled in that 'department' but come up trumps where it matters.

All in all, we are on a real roll now. Big week awaits us, both league and cup!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on January 19, 2020, 19:37:01 pm
Of course they're not talking to NTFC or our fans, any fool knows that everything a manager says revolves around his players. How many times do we see managers saying something like "player x had a great game" when they were ok at best? It's do with building his players up.
More crucially I don’t think they believe it either? Makes you wonder why they bother as the players would probably see right through it as well? Ends up being almost patronising towards their own players most of the time?


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: WasRambo on January 19, 2020, 22:27:27 pm
Yes having seen the replay you might be right. At the time it seemed a reasonable effort! He was at full stretch so could not gather the ball. Where your opinion may be on shaky ground ;) is that the goal keeping experts  on here have remained ominously silent. Have to wait and see!

As an ex keeper, he should have done better. The shot was hardly fierce and should have been  gathered.

And I'm not a Cornell hater.....


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: everbrite on January 19, 2020, 23:00:25 pm
Evers, I can't win can I? Did I mention Cornell in any of my posts? No. So even when nobody brings him up, you have to make a dig - unnecessary. As you've brought their goal up however! it was clear from where I was in the North Stand that it was a poor piece of 'keeping, there's no 'might be' about it. But it doesn't matter as it didn't cost us and I'd rather focus on an excellent win.

If that had been Arnold in goal their are some posters on here who would have slated him, as many have already virtually written him off after only a small number of appearances. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Your thoughts on Williams here - to use a phrase you like to throw around - talk about damning with faint praise! Williams had an excellent game and exerted considerably more influence on the result than did Cornell, but judging by your comments it would seem that Cornell had more impact on the game! Simply ridiculous. I'm not saying this to have a moan about Cornell, I'm bringing it up to point out the hypocrisy in many of your posts.

Anyway, enjoy the rest of your Sunday!  ;

I was not having a dig at you at all - you shouldn't be such a snowflake at times. I thought Williams had an ok game but to me was not quite at the races. Its just my opinion. To argue between who had the most influence between Cornell and Williams is a moot debating non event. Over the last few weeks have admired your posts as they seem fair minded and accurate. About hypocrisy - on here !! You are having a laugh surely. Then you wish me a happy Sunday having done your best to upset me >:D


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: everbrite on January 19, 2020, 23:18:30 pm
As an ex keeper, he should have done better. The shot was hardly fierce and should have been  gathered.

And I'm not a Cornell hater.....

Absolutely know you are a fair minded supporter who airs his views with Baldy and co. Any views by an Ex Goalie is welcome at least by me! So how can Cornell be expected to gather the ball when at full stretch with an index finger save?


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 20, 2020, 07:53:57 am
Rubbish first half, lucky to  be ahead let alone 2-0 up at the break. Morecambe should've scored at least one of their chances and were let down by poor finishing. Their GK was hopeless as well.

Second half was better, Lines' goal was exceptional and we could've run riot at the end as they ran out of steam.

Atmosphere was absolutely dire for about the first 65 mins. No idea what Radio Numpty were talking about saying it was loud.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on January 20, 2020, 08:39:26 am
Lets face it, we play crap football very effectively. Sufficient to give us a chance at the play-offs in this league but what's the long term plan?

Entertaining enough of a game for typical league 2 fare. Odd substitutions, would have like young Pollock and Roberts been given a go. Having sad that I thought Warburton look good when he came on. The football improved in the last 15-20 minutes but by that time Morecambe had thrown in the towel.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: cobbler151 on January 20, 2020, 09:01:40 am
Austin tried to play football-we know what happened
Hasselbaink- No idea what he tried to do.
JED- Once again, no idea what he was doing.
Page- Destroyed a promotion winning team.

Curle-picked up the mess from the previous four managers on a reduced budget, gave us some form of identity, yes it’s drab but now we are 9 unbeaten at home, in a playoff spot and bagged around 750k after reaching the fourth round of the FA Cup for the first time in how many years?

I literally cannot believe some people are moaning about what’s going on at the minute.

If you want exciting passing football why the hell are you watching league two football anyway?






Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Irchy cob on January 20, 2020, 09:02:11 am
Lets face it, we play crap football very effectively. Sufficient to give us a chance at the play-offs in this league but what's the long term plan?

Entertaining enough of a game for typical league 2 fare. Odd substitutions, would have like young Pollock and Roberts been given a go. Having sad that I thought Warburton look good when he came on. The football improved in the last 15-20 minutes but by that time Morecambe had thrown in the towel.

I agree completely with your last paragraph - why Roberts couldn’t have come on for Adams instead of Martin when we were 4-1 up is beyond me.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: singcobb on January 20, 2020, 09:11:41 am
Austin tried to play football-we know what happened
Hasselbaink- No idea what he tried to do.
JED- Once again, no idea what he was doing.
Page- Destroyed a promotion winning team.

Curle-picked up the mess from the previous four managers on a reduced budget, gave us some form of identity, yes it’s drab but now we are 9 unbeaten at home, in a playoff spot and bagged around 750k after reaching the fourth round of the FA Cup for the first time in how many years?

I literally cannot believe some people are moaning about what’s going on at the minute.

If you want exciting passing football why the hell are you watching league two football anyway?






Well said


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Charlatan on January 20, 2020, 09:14:47 am
Austin tried to play football-we know what happened
Hasselbaink- No idea what he tried to do.
JED- Once again, no idea what he was doing.
Page- Destroyed a promotion winning team.

Curle-picked up the mess from the previous four managers on a reduced budget, gave us some form of identity, yes it’s drab but now we are 9 unbeaten at home, in a playoff spot and bagged around 750k after reaching the fourth round of the FA Cup for the first time in how many years?

I literally cannot believe some people are moaning about what’s going on at the minute.

If you want exciting passing football why the hell are you watching league two football anyway?






Absolutely. Spot on post Sir.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: WasRambo on January 20, 2020, 09:28:41 am

Absolutely know you are a fair minded supporter who airs his views with Baldy and co. Any views by an Ex Goalie is welcome at least by me! So how can Cornell be expected to gather the ball when at full stretch with an index finger save?

Imho only... the shot was was from sufficient distance and was sufficiently weakly hit for him to position himself better - then it's not a full stretch fingertip save

Theres a tendency amongst modern keepers for the spectacular. Great goalkeeping starts with good positioning and the best keepers only parry as a last resort and make the difficultook easy

Just my view of course


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: everbrite on January 20, 2020, 09:38:08 am
Imho only... the shot was was from sufficient distance and was sufficiently weakly hit for him to position himself better - then it's not a full stretch fingertip save

Theres a tendency amongst modern keepers for the spectacular. Great goalkeeping starts with good positioning and the best keepers only parry as a last resort and make the difficultook easy

Just my view of course
.

Ah positioning - it's the only logical reasoning. Thanks!
👍
   


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: everbrite on January 20, 2020, 09:48:50 am
Austin tried to play football-we know what happened
Hasselbaink- No idea what he tried to do.
JED- Once again, no idea what he was doing.
Page- Destroyed a promotion winning team.

Curle-picked up the mess from the previous four managers on a reduced budget, gave us some form of identity, yes it’s drab but now we are 9 unbeaten at home, in a playoff spot and bagged around 750k after reaching the fourth round of the FA Cup for the first time in how many years?

I literally cannot believe some people are moaning about what’s going on at the minute.
If you want exciting passing football why the hell are you watching league two football anyway?


You tell 'em 151 you tell 'em😇


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: EB Claret on January 20, 2020, 10:06:17 am
Austin tried to play football-we know what happened
Hasselbaink- No idea what he tried to do.
JED- Once again, no idea what he was doing.
Page- Destroyed a promotion winning team.

Curle-picked up the mess from the previous four managers on a reduced budget, gave us some form of identity, yes it’s drab but now we are 9 unbeaten at home, in a playoff spot and bagged around 750k after reaching the fourth round of the FA Cup for the first time in how many years?

I literally cannot believe some people are moaning about what’s going on at the minute.

If you want exciting passing football why the hell are you watching league two football anyway?






Agree with you there although I like to see a bit of passing football along side the direct stuff, mix it up a bit (at the right times).
Also think we are enjoying a bit more luck this season and that's good, if you're not a great team, be a lucky one :)


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 20, 2020, 10:29:35 am
As an ex keeper, he should have done better. The shot was hardly fierce and should have been  gathered.

And I'm not a Cornell hater.....

As an ex keeper you will have made mistakes.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: ClarenceInDefence on January 20, 2020, 12:04:20 pm
Austin tried to play football-we know what happened
Hasselbaink- No idea what he tried to do.
JED- Once again, no idea what he was doing.
Page- Destroyed a promotion winning team.

Curle-picked up the mess from the previous four managers on a reduced budget, gave us some form of identity, yes it’s drab but now we are 9 unbeaten at home, in a playoff spot and bagged around 750k after reaching the fourth round of the FA Cup for the first time in how many years?

I literally cannot believe some people are moaning about what’s going on at the minute.

If you want exciting passing football why the hell are you watching league two football anyway?






Spot on.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 20, 2020, 12:08:31 pm
Austin tried to play football-we know what happened
Hasselbaink- No idea what he tried to do.
JED- Once again, no idea what he was doing.
Page- Destroyed a promotion winning team.

Curle-picked up the mess from the previous four managers on a reduced budget, gave us some form of identity, yes it’s drab but now we are 9 unbeaten at home, in a playoff spot and bagged around 750k after reaching the fourth round of the FA Cup for the first time in how many years?

I literally cannot believe some people are moaning about what’s going on at the minute.

If you want exciting passing football why the hell are you watching league two football anyway?





Quick question do you think Wilders team played exciting passing football?


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 20, 2020, 12:16:56 pm
Austin tried to play football-we know what happened
Hasselbaink- No idea what he tried to do.
JED- Once again, no idea what he was doing.
Page- Destroyed a promotion winning team.

Curle-picked up the mess from the previous four managers on a reduced budget, gave us some form of identity, yes it’s drab but now we are 9 unbeaten at home, in a playoff spot and bagged around 750k after reaching the fourth round of the FA Cup for the first time in how many years?

I literally cannot believe some people are moaning about what’s going on at the minute.

If you want exciting passing football why the hell are you watching league two football anyway?



Abso bloody lutely right..

With the exception of a few seasons in the last 50 odd years, we are not far from peddling the same long ball, desperate tactics that we have relied on for survival.

Of course we all want better and we would all love to see expansive, wide, and defence splitting through balls and crosses. But we have to admire Curle for what is doing, with what he has to work with.

We all want more investment. Better football. The East Stand finishing. Better communication. In fact everything perfect. But we on't have these things. And there is a lot to be said about what Curle is doing with the lads. We have some decent players, who he seems to have got a decent game out of.

There is a lot about NTFC that is wrong. But there is an awful lot that is good. The staff are great. The club has a very good feel about it. The team seems like a solid unit prepared to work for each other and the support. It's not always pretty on the eye. But it is OUR team. And this team definitely seems to respond to the support getting behind them vocally and in numbers.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: guest2995 on January 20, 2020, 12:35:00 pm
If we play this style of basic football , it’s fine if you are winning.
We were not very good on Saturday but we won and so all is forgiven and forgotten .
The other issue is that it’s unlikely we would get away with it should we advance to league 1 because better teams will cut us open .
It’s only a matter of time before an opposing manager criticises our style of play rather than claiming his team should have won based on possession .


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: cobbler151 on January 20, 2020, 12:37:23 pm
Quick question do you think Wilders team played exciting passing football?

I think Wilder was different gravy when it came to management :)


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Another Pedj on January 20, 2020, 12:55:18 pm
Quick question do you think Wilders team played exciting passing football?

To my mind , the brand of football,personally yes. We were not ,however, the best passing side. There was plently of criticism on here about the direct nature. These comments only disappeared when we went on our run. Do not forget the best side in the Division did not win the league that season!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Clarity on January 20, 2020, 13:01:13 pm
To my mind , the brand of football,personally yes. We were not ,however, the best passing side. There was plently of criticism on here about the direct nature. These comments only disappeared when we went on our run. Do not forget the best side in the Division did not win the league that season!!!!!!!
Ah yes, that magical Oxford Utd team  ;D


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 20, 2020, 13:04:49 pm
To my mind , the brand of football,personally yes. We were not ,however, the best passing side. There was plently of criticism on here about the direct nature. These comments only disappeared when we went on our run. Do not forget the best side in the Division did not win the league that season!!!!!!!
Haha forgot about the deluded ones down the road. 👍


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: WasRambo on January 21, 2020, 06:37:11 am
As an ex keeper you will have made mistakes.

Absolutely and plenty of them!

I was merely giving my observation on this specific goal. On balance I think Cornell is decent. Perversely hes probably a better instinctive keeper moreso than when he has a bit more time to think, hence why he makes some great reaction saves, yet seems to get beaten from distance more often than many think he should


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: southofthecounty on January 21, 2020, 07:30:52 am
Haha forgot about the deluded ones down the road. 👍
I loved David Buchanan's quote about Appleton's statement. "just imagine how many points we would have won the league by IF we had been the best team".
Classic.


Title: Re: Morecambe or Wise?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 21, 2020, 07:40:47 am
On the whole Wilders team was a lot more exciting, they played quicker football, went from back to front with pace, either with long direct balls or with people (mainly Holmes) running at the opposition with pace.
He (and Knill) have carried this on and Sheffield United play a pressing fast and often direct style in the Premier League.

There was a gung-ho element to our play at times, whilst its true it wasn't pretty football sometimes, it was certainly effective.

Curles team is also effective, but plays at a much slower pace, with passing round at the back often, long balls quite often with the occasional period of "attractive football" and more of a reliance on set pieces.

Both styles are effective in their own ways, but I know which one I preferred to watch.