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Title: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: lordjord on June 30, 2020, 09:17:44 am
I have got to hold my hands up here. I have not been his biggest fan since his time here. The style of football at times built my frustration so high, watching aimless balls go back to front with no end product. My frustration was due to the fact that I knew we had better players than that!

I hated the zonal marking, the leaving one man back against 2! Always seemed a nice chap, but did not think he was taking us up.

Well I was wrong, delighted to be so. Keith handled himself with class throughout the process, I am delighted he has got this club promotion and I am delighted for him personally. The addition of Morton has been so big its crazy, having a forward with pace to work with Oliver has transformed us as well as balls going in the box from better areas. Yes its direct, but its the pressing, the intensity, the full blooded challenges, the no craps given for how we play that I have loved watching recently.

No league 2 club plays like Barcelona, watching the prem games recently, have they been entertaining? No. As was said yesterday, teams cannot deal with the way we play and we have definitely grown in what i have to remind myself is a short period of time in which he has been here.

Ever since Wilder left we have been a club searching for identity, getting through overpaid players and a ton of managers searching for something. Keith Curle has brought us that. So thank you Keith, and apologies from me, I was wrong!

UP THE TEYN


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Cordwainer2 on June 30, 2020, 09:37:37 am
Totally agree. A non Cobblers fan friend told me last night that he couldn't understand the moaning about the direct play, he would rather watch that than Man City passing about for 10 minutes. As he said, proper old fashioned football!


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: everbrite on June 30, 2020, 10:10:14 am
 ;D  Were you the supporter who in frustration flung yr season tkt at KC?


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: lordjord on June 30, 2020, 10:16:39 am
;D  Were you the supporter who in frustration flung yr season tkt at KC?

Haha I can confirm I was not!


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 30, 2020, 10:19:37 am
Fair play to you.



Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on June 30, 2020, 10:20:20 am
;D  Were you the supporter who in frustration flung yr season tkt at KC?

Are you on a mission?


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: clarkeysntfc on June 30, 2020, 10:40:23 am
Fundamentally the football was crap to watch for many games last season, it would be dishonest to claim otherwise, however what I think we must do now is give KC the credit he deserves for turning things around.

When he took over we were aimlessly passing the ball around and losing (a lot) at the bottom of L2. We had big earners who were not interested (KVV, Taylor etc), some who needed to be moved on for various reasons (Pierre, Powell, even O'Toole), and others who were clearly past their best (Buchanan).

He's significantly reduced the wage bill, transformed the attitude of the group and got the team disciplined. His work in the recruitment department has been excellent with the likes of Adams, Goode, McCormack, Wharton etc all bringing the "winning mentality" we lacked before.

Arguably he's also won promotion with a pretty squad in a terms of strikers, with no real stand out players at this level until Morton arrived.

Lastly, whilst the curtailment of the season almost undoubtedly worked in our favour as we were losing momentum, Curle deserves great credit as of all 4 managers involved in the play offs he seems to have used the downtime the best, brought the squad up to speed the quickest and ultimately he's gained the rewards.

Well done Keith.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 30, 2020, 10:56:04 am
Keith Curle was given a job to do. He has more than filled his remit.

I'm really hoping that we can kick on from this, and people can start to lay off the club and the team. Curles comments about the club and the unity of the whole set up, are echoed throughout all that work there. So the ridiculous comparisons that the detractors use about Cardoza, have hopefully been laid to rest and we can look forward to a more united front. I am satisfied more than ever, that the support on the whole are behind the club.

As I have said before. With the exception of a very small minority, we have a very united support base. Lets look forward to football in league one, with decent crowds and some great away days.

Oh... And a vaccine...  ;D


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Dan on June 30, 2020, 11:46:14 am
Keith, the way you have motivated the players in the last week has been nothing short of miraculous. The fact you've led us to a 4-0 victory at Wembley puts you into folklore territory. I've throughly enjoyed my slices of humble pie and wish you many more successes with us now.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: everbrite on June 30, 2020, 12:09:54 pm
Are you on a mission?

Definitely not and no agenda’s for me. I did stick an emoji to hint it was made on a humorous basis. Surprised that you missed the humorous hint. 


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: everbrite on June 30, 2020, 12:22:10 pm
Haha I can confirm I was not!

 ;D ;D Never in doubt and appreciate your response - true supporter!


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: NTFC Nut on June 30, 2020, 13:14:05 pm
After the first leg against Cheltenham I said on here "this isn't the manager or style of football to get us promoted", but what's followed has been the most dominant 180 mins of football I can remember seeing from a Cobblers team, against two of the best sides at this level. Great job Keith, the humble pie is delicious ;D


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: everbrite on June 30, 2020, 13:54:55 pm
After the first leg against Cheltenham I said on here "this isn't the manager or style of football to get us promoted", but what's followed has been the most dominant 180 mins of football I can remember seeing from a Cobblers team, against two of the best sides at this level. Great job Keith, the humble pie is delicious ;D

Decent article in Times and even better one in the Guardian . I like the Guardian !


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: guest49 on June 30, 2020, 14:00:57 pm
It's funny as I watched it with someone who doesn't watch much football and they really enjoyed it. They said we didn't mess around and it was far more entertaining that watching England pass it around for 5 minutes without anything happening.

There is a difference having pace and strikers causing hassle, as opposed to a centre half (bypassing the midfield) aimlessly hoofing it up to a lone striker with little chance of creating anything.
I don't think there was anything wrong with that style of play last night.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 30, 2020, 14:09:26 pm
Fundamentally the football was crap to watch for many games last season, it would be dishonest to claim otherwise, however what I think we must do now is give KC the credit he deserves for turning things around.

When he took over we were aimlessly passing the ball around and losing (a lot) at the bottom of L2. We had big earners who were not interested (KVV, Taylor etc), some who needed to be moved on for various reasons (Pierre, Powell, even O'Toole), and others who were clearly past their best (Buchanan).

He's significantly reduced the wage bill, transformed the attitude of the group and got the team disciplined. His work in the recruitment department has been excellent with the likes of Adams, Goode, McCormack, Wharton etc all bringing the "winning mentality" we lacked before.

Arguably he's also won promotion with a pretty squad in a terms of strikers, with no real stand out players at this level until Morton arrived.

Lastly, whilst the curtailment of the season almost undoubtedly worked in our favour as we were losing momentum, Curle deserves great credit as of all 4 managers involved in the play offs he seems to have used the downtime the best, brought the squad up to speed the quickest and ultimately he's gained the rewards.

Well done Keith.

I can only echo what Clarkey has said above. I don't think everything was rosy throughout the season because it wasn't; at times it was dire, to be honest, but we ground out more results than we didn't and found ourselves there or there abouts when it counted (on top of which we had a brilliant cup run). The last two games (well, three really because I'd include the game we lost in this, given a modicum of luck going our way) showed that our direct style, when applied correctly, can turn us into an absolute juggernaut that crushes all in its path.

I do think we played differently in the play offs - the long ball was still there but it seemed more targeted and less of a mindless lump up the field to no one in particular. I don't know, maybe that's what we've been trying to do all season and it hasn't been coming off. Maybe the fact we had no crowd there getting on their backs when they made a mistake took the pressure off and made them less jittery and better able to control the long ball. Who knows, but whatever the reason it showed what we are capable of under Curle and at this point I'd be gutted if he didn't sign a new deal.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: everbrite on June 30, 2020, 14:12:12 pm
Keith Curle was given a job to do. He has more than filled his remit.

I'm really hoping that we can kick on from this, and people can start to lay off the club and the team. Curles comments about the club and the unity of the whole set up, are echoed throughout all that work there. So the ridiculous comparisons that the detractors use about Cardoza, have hopefully been laid to rest and we can look forward to a more united front. I am satisfied more than ever, that the support on the whole are behind the club.

As I have said before. With the exception of a very small minority, we have a very united support base. Lets look forward to football in league one, with decent crowds and some great away days.

Oh... And a vaccine...  ;D

Spot on ....am worried that some Club will now try to poach him a la Forest with CC. Still remember the debacle which followed CW jumping ship!


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: CobblerForever on June 30, 2020, 15:13:20 pm
Spot on ....am worried that some Club will now try to poach him a la Forest with CC. Still remember the debacle which followed CW jumping ship!

I think we'll be ok;

1. Wouldn't other clubs look at the automatically promoted sides managers' first ?
2. Curle is 56 so something of a veteran in comparison with CC and CW when they were enticed to more lucrative positions.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on June 30, 2020, 16:17:16 pm
I always knew Keith would get promotion  ;D
Well done boy.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 30, 2020, 16:40:12 pm
I always knew Keith would get promotion  ;D
Well done boy.

😀😀 I know you did.. You’ve driven us mad with your excessive praise of him right from the first day he was appointed. Keith Curle this, Keith Curle that. Hopefully you’ll give it a rest, now the rest of us are on board.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Cordwainer2 on June 30, 2020, 17:28:35 pm
It's funny as I watched it with someone who doesn't watch much football and they really enjoyed it. They said we didn't mess around and it was far more entertaining that watching England pass it around for 5 minutes without anything happening.

There is a difference having pace and strikers causing hassle, as opposed to a centre half (bypassing the midfield) aimlessly hoofing it up to a lone striker with little chance of creating anything.
I don't think there was anything wrong with that style of play last night.
A non Cobbler supporting friend of mine said how much he enjoyed the game. "Proper old fashioned football and none of this passing back and forth like Man City". I know what he means .


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Charlatan on June 30, 2020, 18:45:14 pm
Fair play to you lordjohn. As most probably know on here I was a bigger backer of KC, I'll put it on the line. I don't care how we win, Stevenage @ home that last minute winner to me was amazing. I know it was an awful game but WE got the 3 points, and that folks is all that matters.
                   We were amazing last night, I'm not a lover of hard luck stories I want results and most of all to get out of Lge 2 and we have! I don't know were tuks & his who would you replace Keith Curle thread has gone. My answer then was NO F-C--R.and I was right. Lets all enjoy this, it really could be a turning point of the club we love. Stay safe everyone.
                                                      UTC


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Coolcat on June 30, 2020, 19:13:00 pm
Whilst on apologies, well not exactly but after the second leg at Cheltenham, I posted saying I felt more than uneasy with Arnold in goal.
Last night, superb. Admittedly, had little to do but so assured and in command. Obviously, the whole team were heroes but special mention to Marshall!


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: everbrite on June 30, 2020, 20:02:40 pm
Fundamentally the football was crap to watch for many games last season, it would be dishonest to claim otherwise, however what I think we must do now is give KC the credit he deserves for turning things around.

When he took over we were aimlessly passing the ball around and losing (a lot) at the bottom of L2. We had big earners who were not interested (KVV, Taylor etc), some who needed to be moved on for various reasons (Pierre, Powell, even O'Toole), and others who were clearly past their best (Buchanan).

He's significantly reduced the wage bill, transformed the attitude of the group and got the team disciplined. His work in the recruitment department has been excellent with the likes of Adams, Goode, McCormack, Wharton etc all bringing the "winning mentality" we lacked before.

Arguably he's also won promotion with a pretty squad in a terms of strikers, with no real stand out players at this level until Morton arrived.

Lastly, whilst the curtailment of the season almost undoubtedly worked in our favour as we were losing momentum, Curle deserves great credit as of all 4 managers involved in the play offs he seems to have used the downtime the best, brought the squad up to speed the quickest and ultimately he's gained the rewards.

Well done Keith.

'Fundamentally the football was crap to watch for many games last season, it would be dishonest to claim otherwise, however what I think we must do now is give KC the credit he deserves for turning things around.'

Fair point; I only felt it was dire when we lost ;D. To me at least, its those games where we did play well Burton being a standout result; a side can put in a decent display and rise to an occasion. I would hazard a guess that you are still not entirely convinced by KC tactics. Should be interesting when we play (if) Oxford next season. Morton made the difference.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: EB Claret on June 30, 2020, 21:55:36 pm
Many arguments to be had about various styles of play, my personal favourite is Winning Football and I think KC's is too. People often liken Curley's way of playing to the Hoofroyd method. It could be said that both of them over achieved slightly by getting us to a play-off final, but, what difference when they got there. AB's team just wilted at Wembley whereas the current team of KC showed from the first minute to the last that they were there to win, nothing and nobody was going to stop them.

A fantastic heartwarming performance and result that left me so proud to be a Cobbler. The unity in the camp shone through for all to see and I thank everyone at the club for their hard work. Moments like this may not come along too often following the Teyn but are so bloody sweet when they do. :)

Well done Keith Curle, hope you enjoyed your hot chocolate!


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Dan on July 01, 2020, 05:03:11 am
Whilst on apologies, well not exactly but after the second leg at Cheltenham, I posted saying I felt more than uneasy with Arnold in goal.
Last night, superb. Admittedly, had little to do but so assured and in command. Obviously, the whole team were heroes but special mention to Marshall!

Arnold proved he is the better of the two didn't he. Great performance.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: guest2934 on July 01, 2020, 08:22:27 am
Fair play to the comments here.

There are journo's, football commentators, pundits and fans alike, of all clubs, agreeing that the last performances have not only been the most entertaining football since it's return but also on the style. We have totally destroyed, mentally and physically, two fancied teams in high pressure games and that says hell of a lot.   

It's finally clicked for KC and it seems the team are with him. If this confidence continues, not many in league one will enjoy playing us.

Especially the p@@h!


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: EB Claret on July 01, 2020, 10:17:25 am
Fair play to the comments here.

There are journo's, football commentators, pundits and fans alike, of all clubs, agreeing that the last performances have not only been the most entertaining football since it's return but also on the style. We have totally destroyed, mentally and physically, two fancied teams in high pressure games and that says hell of a lot.   

It's finally clicked for KC and it seems the team are with him. If this confidence continues, not many in league one will enjoy playing us.

Especially the p@@h!

The P@@h won't be worried coz if we beat them McAnthony will start legal proceedings against us on the grounds that "it's just not fair!"


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 01, 2020, 10:19:28 am
Fair play to the comments here.

There are journo's, football commentators, pundits and fans alike, of all clubs, agreeing that the last performances have not only been the most entertaining football since it's return but also on the style. We have totally destroyed, mentally and physically, two fancied teams in high pressure games and that says hell of a lot.   

It's finally clicked for KC and it seems the team are with him. If this confidence continues, not many in league one will enjoy playing us.

Especially the p@@h!

In a nutshell for me..


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: WadeyCobbler on July 01, 2020, 21:58:21 pm
I've always liked KC and consistently backed him while people haranged him. There are people out there who have said they won't go while he's in charge though - even this week!
The only thing I'd like to see is the youth given a proper chance. Yes we've seen a few of them get a few minutes but nothing sustained. Let's play some of them before we lose them.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: memyhead on July 02, 2020, 11:17:41 am
This podcast with KC is really worth a listen, very open & honest about his personal life...may even help someone on here.

My Sporting Mind...with Keith Curle

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4hGkVYNmOnCrmfZLGtOsUz (https://open.spotify.com/episode/4hGkVYNmOnCrmfZLGtOsUz)


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: DrillingCobbler on July 02, 2020, 12:24:56 pm
I think its fair to say I've defended Keith on many occasions, on this website. I do though get that its all totally subjective...

So Ill just say that Im absolutely delighted he earned his first promotion with us, a massive massive achievement given the mess he inherited plus having to massively reduce the wages whilst at the same time improve the team...

Carr, Atkins, Calderwood and Wilder all  took over the team when it was in the bottom 3 or 4 of the football league.  All needed a consolidation season before achieving promotion in their second full season.

Meanwhile, Keith managed it in his first full season.

Fully old game eh!



Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: everbrite on July 02, 2020, 13:44:54 pm
Arnold proved he is the better of the two didn't he. Great performance.

He lay on the ground reading a book most of the time :o Hardly engaged was he like Maxted.  Did like the calm and assured way he went about his business such as it was. Would still keep. Cornell.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Why? on July 03, 2020, 19:52:54 pm
I always knew Keith would get promotion  ;D
Well done boy.

You what? You what, you what, you what?


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 04, 2020, 06:11:16 am
This podcast with KC is really worth a listen, very open & honest about his personal life...may even help someone on here.

My Sporting Mind...with Keith Curle

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4hGkVYNmOnCrmfZLGtOsUz (https://open.spotify.com/episode/4hGkVYNmOnCrmfZLGtOsUz)

A very interesting listen. It just goes to show that you never really know what's going on in people's lives.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on July 04, 2020, 08:28:49 am
I always knew Keith would get promotion  ;D
Well done boy.

and no doubt when the first defeat / poor performance next season takes place you'll be the first one on here calling for his head.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Saint Cobbler on July 04, 2020, 14:55:35 pm
A very interesting listen. It just goes to show that you never really know what's going on in people's lives.
Very interesting, KC at his articulate best.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: guest3063 on November 14, 2020, 18:03:50 pm
Keith, the way you have motivated the players in the last week has been nothing short of miraculous. The fact you've led us to a 4-0 victory at Wembley puts you into folklore territory. I've throughly enjoyed my slices of humble pie and wish you many more successes with us now.

Remember this Dan and others.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: everbrite on November 15, 2020, 11:04:52 am
Remember this Dan and others.

Brave man Teachers a good point well made


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Coolcat on November 15, 2020, 12:10:14 pm
Remember this Dan and others.
In the words of the Courteeners..."Things, they change..."


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on November 15, 2020, 14:00:48 pm
Remember this Dan and others.
KC did very well to get us promoted, I completely agree, but the style of play outside of the play offs was still dire apart from a handful of games, as I have said many times if the season had played out we would have finished outside of the play offs.
Unfortunately things have gone from bad to worse and Keith has lost the plot IMO, summer recruiting has been a disaster and the result have born that out.
I gave him 10 games to get it right and the debacle at Oxford was the last straw, it’s the team selections and bizarre substitutions coupled with the insistence of playing Hoskins in every position on the pitch that tells me we will be relegated by Christmas unless something changes.
Give the new man Jan to sign some quality.


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: guest3063 on November 15, 2020, 14:25:07 pm
KC did very well to get us promoted, I completely agree, but the style of play outside of the play offs was still dire apart from a handful of games, as I have said many times if the season had played out we would have finished outside of the play offs.
Unfortunately things have gone from bad to worse and Keith has lost the plot IMO, summer recruiting has been a disaster and the result have born that out.
I gave him 10 games to get it right and the debacle at Oxford was the last straw, it’s the team selections and bizarre substitutions coupled with the insistence of playing Hoskins in every position on the pitch that tells me we will be relegated by Christmas unless something changes.
Give the new man Jan to sign some quality.


I agree, things do look bad at the moment no hiding from that, but will changing the manager make the difference? West stand oap listed the managers we've hired then sacked on another thread and chances are we'll be in the same situation again, after the standard 5 or 6 games following the bounce. Also, is KT really going to sack a manager less than six months after signing a new 2 year contract? I don't think so...yet.       


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on November 15, 2020, 20:47:24 pm
I agree, things do look bad at the moment no hiding from that, but will changing the manager make the difference? West stand oap listed the managers we've hired then sacked on another thread and chances are we'll be in the same situation again, after the standard 5 or 6 games following the bounce. Also, is KT really going to sack a manager less than six months after signing a new 2 year contract? I don't think so...yet.       
I just think the style of play under Curle is a hard watch when we win, when we loose, it’s unwatchable!


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: everbrite on November 15, 2020, 21:54:27 pm
I just think the style of play under Curle is a hard watch when we win, when we loose, it’s unwatchable!


Burton, Derby x 2, Exeter x 3, Plymouth, Swindon (a), Crewe, Carlisle((a), Grimsby(a) the list is endless ;D


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 15, 2020, 23:33:21 pm
Burton, Derby x 2, Exeter x 3, Plymouth, Swindon (a), Crewe, Carlisle((a), Grimsby(a) the list is endless ;D
Yet you ended the list after just a few!

Ok then, 15 games this season in league, EFL Cup and FA Cup, how many of those 15 have would you describe as entertaining? How many of them did we play really well in?

Cardiff in the EFL Cup, Shrewsbury in the league.....for me that’s it.....2 out of 15.



Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: everbrite on November 16, 2020, 09:00:31 am
Yet you ended the list after just a few!

Ok then, 15 games this season in league, EFL Cup and FA Cup, how many of those 15 have would you describe as entertaining? How many of them did we play really well in?

Cardiff in the EFL Cup, Shrewsbury in the league.....for me that’s it.....2 out of 15.


There was no way I could use this season so I plucked 11 games from last season to try and make a point 8) Last season was not all bad!


Title: Re: An apology to Mr Keith (Curley Wurly) Curle
Post by: Manwork04 on November 16, 2020, 09:41:30 am
There was no way I could use this season so I plucked 11 games from last season to try and make a point 8) Last season was not all bad!
And last season Curle was doing a good job, although some boring games and bad results on the whole we did good.
This season is the polar opposite, it can only go on so long.