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Title: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 14, 2020, 16:55:39 pm
The complete lack of game plan, dreadful team selections, dreadful substitutions and lack of motivation are unfortunately too much and he has to go.
Act now and give the new man the January window to sign some quality to keep us in this division.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2020, 16:56:36 pm
Glad this thread is up. Time clock has run out for the pathetic bloke. Birthday sacking has a good ring to it.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on November 14, 2020, 17:00:49 pm
The complete lack of game plan, dreadful team selections, dreadful substitutions and lack of motivation are unfortunately too much and he has to go.
Act now and give the new man the January window to sign some quality to keep us in this division.
Pull the other one
No one will sign for us for a basic salary plus bonuses...
On a positive note our lack of any bonus payments must mean the housekeeping award is home and hosed before Christmas
I wonder if paddy power will pay out early


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on November 14, 2020, 17:00:57 pm
We all know we fluked it last season. The football was poor. So same tactics  and lesser players is a recipe for disaster


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on November 14, 2020, 17:04:15 pm
I wonder what the bar is set at for earning a playing bonus?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on November 14, 2020, 17:05:55 pm
I wonder what the bar is set at for earning a playing bonus?
Two completed passes to our players in a game


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: sxcobbler on November 14, 2020, 17:06:39 pm
We all know we fluked it last season. The football was poor. So same tactics  and lesser players is a recipe for disaster

Totally agree Mark.....but of cause it won't happen , what with the silly 2 year contract given to Curley.

It is almost too  painful to watch.
Just thank god we both haven't travelled mega miles in the deluge to watch this sh1te !


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on November 14, 2020, 17:11:37 pm
Iím curling one out for Keith  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 14, 2020, 17:13:40 pm
We have a league 1 budget and a league 2 squad.

To have any hope of surviving we need each and everyone of them motivated. Not one of them looks like they are...

Buck stops with the management.

Time for change.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CobblerForever on November 14, 2020, 17:18:03 pm
Has Kelvin backed his manager yet ? Our chairman is very quiet at present.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on November 14, 2020, 17:18:40 pm
We have a league 1 budget and a league 2 squad.

To have any hope of surviving we need each and everyone of them motivated. Not one of them looks like they are...

Buck stops with the management.

Time for change.
Hang on
We are the only club to offer a low weekly wage plus bonuses
Thatís going well
We even lost one of our players to gillingham who have a self confessed bottom four budget....
Whoeverís told you that we have a competitive league one budget is pulling your leg

Have a word with vadaine Oliver and ask him why he didnít sign for us.....


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on November 14, 2020, 17:19:12 pm
Has Kelvin backed his manager yet ? Our chairman is very quiet at present.
To be fair heís probably asleep


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on November 14, 2020, 17:25:29 pm
To be fair heís probably asleep

Of that I am positive, asleep at the wheel.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on November 14, 2020, 17:30:12 pm
Agree Sx, itís complete garbage. Has been all season, the only surprise is that weíve got 11 points on the board and not conceded 5 or 6 in some of the games.

Oglethorpe needs to grow some and ask some challenging questions of Curle, is is after all the supporters mouthpiece.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on November 14, 2020, 17:33:37 pm
Agree Sx, itís complete garbage. Has been all season, the only surprise is that weíve got 11 points on the board and not conceded 5 or 6 in some of the games.

Oglethorpe needs to grow some and ask some challenging questions of Curle, is is after all the supporters mouthpiece.
Thatís not the way old tim does it
He doesnít like asking tricky questions
He will ask for injury updates etc and forget to ask Keith if he thinks itís time he should have a look at his own fundamentals and look for a new occupation like a driving instructor or a ground worker.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 14, 2020, 17:35:23 pm
Hang on
We are the only club to offer a low weekly wage plus bonuses
Thatís going well
We even lost one of our players to gillingham who have a self confessed bottom four budget....
Whoeverís told you that we have a competitive league one budget is pulling your leg

Have a word with vadaine Oliver and ask him why he didnít sign for us.....

Itís well known we have a league 1 budget, but KC has chosen to keep a decent % in the pot instead of investing it in the squad. Not sure why?

Interesting our current Ďbest twoí have been signed well after the deadline. **** poor planning.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Long Suffering on November 14, 2020, 17:36:10 pm
Been an avid supporter since the early 60's. Worst recruitment I can ever remember. Simply not good enough from 1 to 11 !


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2020, 17:46:22 pm
Been an avid supporter since the early 60's. Worst recruitment I can ever remember. Simply not good enough from 1 to 11 !

Yet last season everyone was waxing lyrical over his signings!

If, in the summer, the budget was cut by so much we "couldn't afford" to keep Oliver and Turnbull, then we replaced them with lower league players on less money then that should give you an idea of where we are at.

Also probably says that KT isn't going to shell out and sack KC.......

Does it really matter what sort of football we are playing at the moment? Its not like the fans can vote with their feet.

We are where we are, we got promoted last season and are in League 1, we are not in the bottom 4 yet, and as long as we stay in this division, even if its by goal difference then all is good. Also, as long as we survive then its still good!

We drift along, rudderless......players, manager, chairman, owner........as long as we still have a club eh? That's all many of our supporters aspire to!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on November 14, 2020, 17:50:48 pm
Grange, we are only not yet in the bottom 4 purely because of the fact that teams below us havenít played as many games.   If I recollect this was the month when we would be securing points in our mini league. Not going well so far is it?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2020, 17:57:21 pm
Grange, we are only not yet in the bottom 4 purely because of the fact that teams below us havenít played as many games.   If I recollect this was the month when we would be securing points in our mini league. Not going well so far is it?

There was more than a hint of sarcasm in my post!!

Even if we were bottom four now, those same happy clappers would say there was plenty on the season to go and that we shouldn't panic!!

Myself, I've wanted Curle gone pretty much as soon as he got here! Boring hoofball devoid of tactics, obsession with worrying about the opposition rather than have them worry about us.

We got lucky with promotion, and i'm not going to fall for the fact we have had very few good performances since he's got here.....we had two in a row which got us promoted......good timing!

30 odd players in our squad, totally against his mantra of quality over quantity.....all that rubbish he spouts about it being a buyers market.....look what we've ended up with?

The club is rotten from owner to chairman to manager to players......and nobody seems to care.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on November 14, 2020, 18:19:46 pm
As previously said by many, he should NEVER have been offered new a two year contract...the club never learn!

That post match interview was utterly embarrassing & shows he's completely deluded.

He's somehow managed to assemble a squad worse than the one he inherited.

I would honestly accept relegation as long as we tried playing some decent football & had a manager with some tactical nouse...he's absolutely clueless


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on November 14, 2020, 18:24:19 pm
Watching most of our games this season the first thing you notice is that we use zonal marking and it doesn't work. The second thing is that we play a back 3 and wingbacks but don't have the players to suit the system. The third is if the opposition manager tells his midfielders to get the ball and run forward, we are in trouble. The forth is that KC substitutions rarely improve us as a team. The MOST disappointing thing is that everyone can see this, opposition managers have said this, but Curle doesn't do anything about these glairing problems.
      There will never be a more obvious example of zonal not working than the free header just before half time. The only players we have that are anything resembling wing backs are Harriman and Mills. Adams doesn't have the legs to get up and back all the time, if we played a back 4 we could have Harriman and Sheehan as full backs and then we only have to pick 2 of the "Centre Half's"  and can then play another midfielder to try and get some possession. Today, when he bought Ricky on, he obviously wanted him to play in the position Hoskins was playing, but rather than doing a straight swap he take off Harriman and moves Hoskins to wing back ????
      I see people are saying we can't afford to pay him off, so put him in charge of the Youth team and put Jon Brady in charge of the first team doesn't cost any money and it cant be any worse


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on November 14, 2020, 18:30:12 pm
As previously said by many, he should NEVER have been offered new a two year contract...the club never learn!

That post match interview was utterly embarrassing & shows he's completely deluded.

He's somehow managed to assemble a squad worse than the one he inherited.

I would honestly accept relegation as long as we tried playing some decent football & had a manager with some tactical nouse...he's absolutely clueless

I remember people getting worried after the play-off games that he wouldn't sign a new contract, now people want him out less than six months in  ::)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on November 14, 2020, 18:40:52 pm
The only comment I have on this thread is that it is no surprise who started it.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2020, 18:45:36 pm
I remember people getting worried after the play-off games that he wouldn't sign a new contract, now people want him out less than six months in  ::)


Genuine question. Who was worried?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on November 14, 2020, 18:50:58 pm
Genuine question. Who was worried?

Some - as in supporters. On here and Twitter etc.

By the way, I thought you warmed to Keith Curle during last season?



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on November 14, 2020, 19:17:00 pm
Happy Birthday Keith.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on November 14, 2020, 19:21:00 pm
I thought he deserved an attempt at this League based on the Play Off success but if I was KT I would have only offered him 12 months. If he did an Oliver then so be it. Itís easy with hindsight but there were enough warning signs last season.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on November 14, 2020, 19:36:03 pm
It's not just the woeful results...it's the constant turgid football being served up game after game...
HOOOOOOF to Smith who IS NOT OLIVER FFS!

It's his arrogance too, he really thinks he's unsackable, post match interview was bizzare as he thought we competed and match could have gone either way...they all had Covid but still had plenty of quality & should have put the game to bed with the number of decent chances they squandered!

I see Bristol Rovers have just sacked their manager...they still managed to comfortably beat us!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2020, 20:03:03 pm
We've played 12 league games this season, 7 of them at home. We have scored just 4 goals in those seven games.......Curle is probably glad there are no fans allowed in at the moment!!

Four home goals is the worst record in the entire Football League.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: bungle on November 14, 2020, 20:05:39 pm
Watching most of our games this season the first thing you notice is that we use zonal marking and it doesn't work. The second thing is that we play a back 3 and wingbacks but don't have the players to suit the system. The third is if the opposition manager tells his midfielders to get the ball and run forward, we are in trouble. The forth is that KC substitutions rarely improve us as a team. The MOST disappointing thing is that everyone can see this, opposition managers have said this, but Curle doesn't do anything about these glairing problems.
      There will never be a more obvious example of zonal not working than the free header just before half time. The only players we have that are anything resembling wing backs are Harriman and Mills. Adams doesn't have the legs to get up and back all the time, if we played a back 4 we could have Harriman and Sheehan as full backs and then we only have to pick 2 of the "Centre Half's"  and can then play another midfielder to try and get some possession. Today, when he bought Ricky on, he obviously wanted him to play in the position Hoskins was playing, but rather than doing a straight swap he take off Harriman and moves Hoskins to wing back ????
      I see people are saying we can't afford to pay him off, so put him in charge of the Youth team and put Jon Brady in charge of the first team doesn't cost any money and it cant be any worse


Good post.

As I've said many times, Curle is a competent League Two manager. He knows how to organise a team to grind out results at that level and that puts him ahead of quite a few of his predecessors. I had my doubts regarding his ability to achieve a career-first promotion, but to be fair to him he proved a lot of us wrong on that.

I think what we need to see now is nothing short of an urgent tactical re-think. We can't do much about personnel now until January, and realistically we'll always be out-gunned by the bigger clubs at this level when it comes to ability.

What is achievable, however, is build a simple and coherent tactical set-up which makes us hard to beat and generates some chances.

I agree with you that 4 at the back is the way forward. You simply can't win games at this level playing with only two midfielders (or 1 as was the case against Oxford City!!!) It can work in L2 because the opposition aren't generally good enough to achieve midfield dominance.





Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on November 14, 2020, 20:10:39 pm
Is a change of manager going to give us more of a chance of winning more games ?
Is a change of manager going to improve the entertainment on offer ?
The answer is yes to both questions .
The real worry is that he is a one trick pony . Everyone knows our trick and itís not a very good trick with this team anyway .
I would like to see him go . Now preferably


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on November 14, 2020, 20:13:18 pm
The football isnít great but for me this year will always be about survival. As long as we finish 20th or above I donít really care how we do it. I think we all knew weíd be in for a long season as soon as it started. Curle took over when the club was at the foot of League Two and got us promoted in his first full season. He deserves more than 12 games in League One. In a season where any new manager will probably struggle to make too many changes to the squad I donít see sacking him as a sensible decision at this stage.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 14, 2020, 20:29:40 pm
The only comment I have on this thread is that it is no surprise who started it.
You got all excited again when you typed that didnít you?  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on November 14, 2020, 20:29:56 pm
It is impossible to change the way a manager sets up his team. They all become stubborn and continue with their system even when it is obviously failing. They aren't really that bothered if they are sacked. They get a pay-off and continue to swill around the very limited soup of management swill. This geezer we have been fobbed off with doesn't float at the top of the swill, he sits hovering below the surface like a turd in a bog. He needs to be swilled out with a vigorous flush of ruthless intensity otherwise he will remain curled around the u-bend.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2020, 20:48:24 pm
And that's the problem, there is not really a plan B.......we either play the system like we hardly know what we are doing, or we play the same system with a lot more intensity and it gets a result.

People can't expect the likes of Adams and Holmes to play well in this setup, its completely different to the Wilder set up and the players are not allowed to play with the same freedom, therefore creativity takes a back seat. Last season we had the players who could play "The Curle way", this season we haven't.

Last season his recruitment was pretty good, this season it has been anything but.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2020, 22:12:18 pm
Some - as in supporters. On here and Twitter etc.

By the way, I thought you warmed to Keith Curle during last season?



Fair response in regards to the first point.

In ref to the second, I did meet with him before the play offs and did say that I was surprised at his personality as it was far different to that of his interviews and also playing style. He also deserved credit for motivating the squad to the two performances in June. No question there.

But like Ragdoll, I'd have given him a rolling contract. I think he did deserve a go at League 1 but not a 2 year deal, purely because of the expenses if it failed. Sadly for me, it has failed. He made a massive thing about Monday not mattering as focus was on the league, and then masterminded another terrible performance today.

I am worried that Kelvin doesn't care enough to make a change which probably will cost the club League 1 status. The only way I can possibly see Keith turning it round is by stopping his stubbornness and trying 4 at the back. I just can't see him doing it.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 14, 2020, 22:26:28 pm
So is this a guy with a league two budget trying to operate in league one?

Or is this a guy with a league one budget failing in league one?

If itís the former, he stays. If itís the latter he goes. KT will know the answer. And will act accordingly.....


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2020, 22:34:01 pm
So is this a guy with a league two budget trying to operate in league one?

Or is this a guy with a league one budget failing in league one?

If itís the former, he stays. If itís the latter he goes. KT will know the answer. And will act accordingly.....

Interesting way of looking at it.....my guess would be that its probably a bit of both!

I'm sure we aren't the only team who cut their budget in the summer, and ours will surely be higher than the likes of Accrington, Crewe, Burton, Wimbledon, Rochdale.....but lower of course than the likes of Sunderland, Portsmouth, Hull, Ipswich and dare I say Peterborough.

All we were told was that it is a "competitive" budget.......when are we going to start being competitive?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 14, 2020, 22:37:09 pm
So the strategy continues to be if thereís a problem throw money at it until itís not a problem? Hands up who remembers our financial splurge following the influx of Chinese investment? Hands up again if you can recall the managerial revolving doors post Wilder? How did that go? Yet if I understand it correctly the plan is more of the same whilst we are being financially hammered? FFS get a grip, pull the cotton wool out from between your ears and think about this logically will you? No offence.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on November 14, 2020, 22:38:54 pm
I think KC should be given a bit longer to prove himself in League1, however I also wish he would try to vary his tactics.
Last seasons back three were better than the level they were playing at, this season only Sheehan looks up to standard. So I would give a back 4 a few games and try one or two different combinations in front of that.
In midfield, well, I'd just like to see a midfield, especially one with players who passed the ball to each other, unlike today.
 There is nothing wrong with getting the ball forward quickly but last season we were better when we took a few extra passes before delivering the ball into the box (MacCormack's influence). If crosses or through balls go in from good areas with a bit of quality then chances are created, this is where we are lacking at the moment. Hard to judge our forwards as they get no service.
The other factor missing at the moment appears to be the unity that KC built into last season's squad, perhaps this will come.
While I agree with others that one year rolling contracts are sensible the downside of that is when you do get a Chris Wilder he becomes a cheap option for clubs like Sheffield United.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on November 14, 2020, 22:47:15 pm
So the strategy continues to be if thereís a problem throw money at it until itís not a problem? Hands up who remembers our financial splurge following the influx of Chinese investment? Hands up again if you can recall the managerial revolving doors post Wilder? How did that go? Yet if I understand it correctly the plan is more of the same whilst we are being financially hammered? FFS get a grip, pull the cotton wool out from between your ears and think about this logically will you? No offence.

I suppose KT has the old catch 22 scenario,1. Can the club afford to change the manager?
                                                               2. Can the club afford NOT to change the manager?

I would imagine KT is still firmly settled on option 1 at the moment.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 14, 2020, 23:04:19 pm
Forgetting about the intricacies of this argument letís keep it simple. Following a manager who has achieved promotion, statistically how many managers do we have to go through before success has been repeated? How often in our history have we recruited successive managers who have achieved back to back success or even managed to maintain the position of any success achieved by the previous manager? As frustrating as this may be for some, history dictates getting rid of Curle will almost certainly result in us going backwards on the pitch and suffering significant financial loss off it. I accept this may be frustrating, even infuriating and definitely what many donít want to hear but nonetheless a fact so donít shoot the messenger, please.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2020, 23:11:50 pm
Do us a favour and keep out of the thread then Evers  :-*


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 14, 2020, 23:14:11 pm
Keep at it ! This thread is the rogues gallery of anti club 'fans'. It's amazing how some manipulate the truth to suit their ends. Surprised that the Mods have not cautioned one or two of them.
Canít object to supporters having an opinion though Evers? At least thatís my view.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 14, 2020, 23:19:27 pm
Canít object to supporters having an opinion though Evers? At least thatís my view.

Agreed


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on November 15, 2020, 00:55:46 am
It is impossible to change the way a manager sets up his team. They all become stubborn and continue with their system even when it is obviously failing. They aren't really that bothered if they are sacked. They get a pay-off and continue to swill around the very limited soup of management swill. This geezer we have been fobbed off with doesn't float at the top of the swill, he sits hovering below the surface like a turd in a bog. He needs to be swilled out with a vigorous flush of ruthless intensity otherwise he will remain curled around the u-bend.

Do you have a plumbing background?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Gonzales on November 15, 2020, 01:15:41 am
The bubble has well and truly burst on this three back system.

To be fair, it worked brilliantly in the playoff campaign, which was the system to its full potential whilst we also had a huge fitness advantage on the teams we played against and basically overwhelmed our opponents.

This season on the other hand we look lethargic and donít create anything. Whilst we all wanted to keep Morton I canít see that heíd have made any significant difference since heíd have had **** all in the way of service since we lump it forwards to Smith who then either heads the ball to nowhere or instead fails to even jump.

Honestly we looked out best going forwards in the first few games when we had to use Warbs and Korboa due to lack of options and those two actually got the ball on the floor and took people on.

I personally think a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 would be the way to go but again sadly I think Curle seems set in his ways.

Mitchell
Harriman - Bolger - Sheehan - Mills
McWilliams (is he ever going to be fit?) - Sowerby - Missilou
Rose - Seal - Holmes


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Wattie on November 15, 2020, 04:51:34 am
I have been a supporter of Curle but like managers before him when things go wrong he is now showing inflexibility and refuses to change a failing system.

Calderwood is likely to be the next manager.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on November 15, 2020, 06:12:58 am
Fans tolerated KC's 'nullify instead of imposing' attitude to games when results were achieved BUT poor results and dire football is unacceptable!
KC will not change so he has to be changed. KT has a poor record in selecting managers so such a change is high risk but neccessary.
Yes our defensive players are making mistakes BUT my emphasis is our total lack of creating ability to score goals. Attack is the best form of defence.

Only KT can sort the current dire situation..................if finance is influencing a decision then try Brady with Sammo NOT Calderwood!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: andy scouse on November 15, 2020, 07:37:47 am
If KT pulls the trigger I agree that based on KTs previous track record Calderwood is
 his likely choice , the only thing decent to come out of yesterdays game was the post match interview of Sheehan, another possible managerial option?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 15, 2020, 08:24:22 am
Warburton (remember him?) is still our top home goal scorer this season.

Smith and Seal have not surprisingly failed to hit the target home or away.

Conference level recruitment in League 1.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on November 15, 2020, 08:25:56 am
I think KC should be given a bit longer to prove himself in League1, however I also wish he would try to vary his tactics.
Last seasons back three were better than the level they were playing at, this season only Sheehan looks up to standard. So I would give a back 4 a few games and try one or two different combinations in front of that.
In midfield, well, I'd just like to see a midfield, especially one with players who passed the ball to each other, unlike today.
 There is nothing wrong with getting the ball forward quickly but last season we were better when we took a few extra passes before delivering the ball into the box (MacCormack's influence). If crosses or through balls go in from good areas with a bit of quality then chances are created, this is where we are lacking at the moment. Hard to judge our forwards as they get no service.
The other factor missing at the moment appears to be the unity that KC built into last season's squad, perhaps this will come.
While I agree with others that one year rolling contracts are sensible the downside of that is when you do get a Chris Wilder he becomes a cheap option for clubs like Sheffield United.


This is pretty much where I am, but Curle needs to start varying his tactics and quickly. He needs to show a willingness to change and the ability to swallow his pride, admit it's not working and try something new.

To paraphrase someone else (I can't for the life of me think who) "if you can't change managers, change managers".


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 15, 2020, 08:48:06 am
So is this a guy with a league two budget trying to operate in league one?

Or is this a guy with a league one budget failing in league one?

If itís the former, he stays. If itís the latter he goes. KT will know the answer. And will act accordingly.....

He has been given a league 1 budget but opted to keep some in reserve, prioritising good housekeeping.

He has focused recruitment around the right characters but appears to have gotten that massively wrong.

Has signed league two standard players at best.

He has adopted conference north tactics at best.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on November 15, 2020, 09:10:44 am
There are two things I would do with immediate effect .
Change to a back 4 so that Sheehan plays with only one of the current donkeys we have available at centre half . It also allows for another defensive midfielder to protect them .
Secondly , scrap zonal marking . Every single game we look like conceding from a corner .
There is a third thing - donít ever pick Smith . He is an excuse for a footballer and isnít conference level .


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 15, 2020, 10:36:07 am
There are two things I would do with immediate effect .
Change to a back 4 so that Sheehan plays with only one of the current donkeys we have available at centre half . It also allows for another defensive midfielder to protect them .
Secondly , scrap zonal marking . Every single game we look like conceding from a corner .
There is a third thing - donít ever pick Smith . He is an excuse for a footballer and isnít conference level .
This, sums up the current situation in a nutshell 👏👏👏


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on November 15, 2020, 12:41:35 pm
On average when a manager is sacked there is instant improvement to the next six results then things level off. So the best thing is to sack the manager every 7 or 8 games.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on November 15, 2020, 12:54:17 pm
We sacked Page and replaced him with Edinburgh, how did that work out?
We sacked Edinburgh and replaced him with JFH, how did that work out?
We sacked JFH and replaced him with Austin, how did that work out?
We sacked Austin and replaced him with KC, now a lot of you want him out so if you got your wish why do you think the outcome would be any different?. It would just be a matter of time before you wanted the next imcumbant out.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Coolcat on November 15, 2020, 13:12:42 pm
Not sure I like the thread title.
With all the crap on offer recently, shouldn't there be a 'one' somewhere in it?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: spqr on November 15, 2020, 13:13:38 pm
Similar comments so often.
Where would everyone like the Cobblers to be at the end of the season?  I would be happy to see them survive and regroup for another season in Div 1.  If that happens then there has been success.  It is rare for teams to get promoted every year.
This division is hard and there are some shrewd players, who know the game.
You could argue that some of them should be recruited to play for the Cobblers.  With this virus knocking around, how many of you are actively planning to move around the country after a job?
Players are people and I'm sure many are looking as how the virus goes before committing to moving sticks.
If the Cobblers really are that bad, then watch Brackley for £2 next weekend.  I saw their FA Cup game and it was enjoyable.  The picture cut out a few times, the floodlights failed, but there was entertainment.  You know the standard to expect, but for £2 it is better than £10 and feeling miserable.
I have only seen 2 victories so far and players that do not seem to have any discipline regarding their position on the pitch.  If I were a forward, I would take a book to read as there is not much else to do.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on November 15, 2020, 13:26:03 pm
Similar comments so often.
Where would everyone like the Cobblers to be at the end of the season?  I would be happy to see them survive and regroup for another season in Div 1.  If that happens then there has been success.  It is rare for teams to get promoted every year.
This division is hard and there are some shrewd players, who know the game.
You could argue that some of them should be recruited to play for the Cobblers.  With this virus knocking around, how many of you are actively planning to move around the country after a job?
Players are people and I'm sure many are looking as how the virus goes before committing to moving sticks.

Realistically I think most fans would be happy with survival in League 1, trouble is I can't see it happening under KC. Re the players moving around the country, it's rare that any "senior" players, with wives and kids, that we sign move to the area. Northampton is drivable from most of the urban area's of the country in 2 hours and a 2 year contract doesn't justify moving. That's why KC lives in Sheffield.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: observer1 on November 15, 2020, 14:26:56 pm
If KT pulls the trigger I agree that based on KTs previous track record Calderwood is
 his likely choice , the only thing decent to come out of yesterdays game was the post match interview of Sheehan, another possible managerial option?
It's funny you should say that Andy but I had the exact same thought watching that interview last night.

Impressive individual with real leadership qualities, not something I could say about many of our recent signings!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on November 15, 2020, 14:33:28 pm
We sacked Page and replaced him with Edinburgh, how did that work out?
We sacked Edinburgh and replaced him with JFH, how did that work out?
We sacked JFH and replaced him with Austin, how did that work out?
We sacked Austin and replaced him with KC, now a lot of you want him out so if you got your wish why do you think the outcome would be any different?. It would just be a matter of time before you wanted the next imcumbant out.


Spot on.
 
I have seen people mention Colin Calderwood again, he has only recently become assistant at Blackpool so doubtful I would say.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 15, 2020, 14:54:34 pm
Agree he needs to go. Hes useless.
Should have gone after the Boro game.
Wigan and Rovers manager both sacked their Managers so expect a bounce from them. Swindon signed a new Manager
We'll be bottom in a few weeks if hes still
here.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 15, 2020, 15:03:26 pm
We sacked Page and replaced him with Edinburgh, how did that work out?
We sacked Edinburgh and replaced him with JFH, how did that work out?
We sacked JFH and replaced him with Austin, how did that work out?
We sacked Austin and replaced him with KC, now a lot of you want him out so if you got your wish why do you think the outcome would be any different?. It would just be a matter of time before you wanted the next imcumbant out.

So with your logic Page would be still here, you really do talk utter garbage, I bet you havenít got a friend in the world have you?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 15, 2020, 15:32:43 pm
So with your logic Page would be still here, you really do talk utter garbage, I bet you havenít got a friend in the world have you?

 ;D WSOAP has plenty judging by those who sit in his row! I too wished Page out after the Bristol game but the point is that the change was not an overall success. Certainly not still here ! As a fan he is a good one and it is sad to see two worthwhile fans with personal views at  loggerheads over a difficult situation 8) . Please go easy on KT and stay alert!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on November 15, 2020, 15:59:09 pm
So with your logic Page would be still here, you really do talk utter garbage, I bet you havenít got a friend in the world have you?

What would be so terrible about that? Page was sacked in January after we were 16th in League One and I doubt we've got to such dizzy heights since, so late in the season. Where is he now? Caretaker manager of the Wales senior team after impressing at Nottingham Forest and the Wales U21 team.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on November 15, 2020, 16:07:15 pm
I wished Page gone after the debacle of the Eastleigh friendly, you could see we were go8ng to be crap before the season started


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on November 15, 2020, 16:56:16 pm
I wished Page gone after the debacle of the Eastleigh friendly, you could see we were go8ng to be crap before the season started

Going unbeaten for the first seven games of the season must have confirmed that for you.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on November 15, 2020, 17:05:18 pm
Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on November 15, 2020, 17:17:45 pm
Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.

You've just chosen specific runs of games to highlight a run of poor form. All managers have these sort of records at some point in the career. You could easily take another marker to make the form much better


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on November 15, 2020, 17:20:07 pm
Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.

The missing piece of context? Only one on that list had just got the club promoted.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on November 15, 2020, 17:21:14 pm
Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.

I don't get this. Why not the same number of games for each manager at least?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 15, 2020, 17:24:01 pm
I'm not in the Curle Out brigade but am concerned about these performances. We knew League One would be tough, it always is for us but we look a shadow of the side from last season and I'm not just referring to those two play-off games. KC would drill his team to be strong in the tackle, strong at set pieces, quick to close down, play as a team and get the ball in the box, but at the moment we look weak all over the pitch, little creativity, scared to tackle, like a bunch of strangers pulled together for a game. its unlike a KC team. he needs to find a regular starting XI and style and stick with it. There's time to turn it around.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 15, 2020, 17:54:25 pm
Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.

Sweet Jesus  :'(


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: bungle on November 15, 2020, 18:13:37 pm
Pages last 10 games in charge. 2 wins and 8 losses.
Edinburghs last 12 games in charge. 0 wins, 4 draws and 8 losses.
JFH's last 12 games in charge. 1 win, 5 draws and 6 losses.
Austins 15 games in charge. 3 wins, 5 draws and 7 losses.
Curles last 12 games. 3 wins, 2 draws and 7 losses.

Whether people like it or not, our owner sacks underperforming managers. Based on the past history, Curle doesn't have long left.

I think there some important differences here.

1. Curle achieved a promotion (however fortuitously). You could make the case that he over-performed and surpassed expectations last year and that lots of other managers would have taken us longer to get us up.

2. Curle's development of Goode and the FA Cup run earned the club some decent money last year.

3. The pandemic will mean that KT will be even more desperate than usual to save money. Sacking Curle and bringing in a replacement would be expensive.

Don't get me wrong: I hate the style of football and I'm starting to seriously doubt whether Curle has the capacity to change it. I just can't see KT pulling the trigger unless we're probably mired in relegation trouble after Christmas.








Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on November 15, 2020, 19:01:16 pm
I don't get this. Why not the same number of games for each manager at least?

Sure why not. Last 10 for each.

Page. 2 draws and 8 defeats.
JE. 3 draws and 7 defeats.
JFH. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
DA. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
KC. 2 wins, 1 draw and 7 defeats.

Case for sacking is strengthened as a result, good call Sad Old Git  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on November 15, 2020, 19:35:14 pm
Sure why not. Last 10 for each.

Page. 2 draws and 8 defeats.
JE. 3 draws and 7 defeats.
JFH. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
DA. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
KC. 2 wins, 1 draw and 7 defeats.

Case for sacking is strengthened as a result, good call Sad Old Git  ;D


He's won more than all the others  ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on November 15, 2020, 19:37:18 pm
Sure why not. Last 10 for each.

Page. 2 draws and 8 defeats.
JE. 3 draws and 7 defeats.
JFH. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
DA. 1 win, 4 draws and 5 defeats.
KC. 2 wins, 1 draw and 7 defeats.

Case for sacking is strengthened as a result, good call Sad Old Git  ;D


Ok. So that tells us he has twice as many wins as his nearest rival. It tells us he doesn't do draws (maybe because of the exciting end to end attacking football he supports!) and that he is a loser but we know that full well!

I hate stats for this very reason. They can be manipulated and are only factual 53% of the time.

I have a better answer. For some strange reason a lot of folk on here are concerned about the cost. No idea why cos it ain't our money, the club is already in huge debt, the epl are happy to bail us out if it comes to the crunch and even if we went pop we would rise again. However to assuage this concern, how about giving him a written warning? We could then get shot at Christmas when we will certainly be in the same boat. Lubbly jubbly.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: andy scouse on November 15, 2020, 19:42:17 pm
We have been in a financial pickle ever since the Cardoza fiasco and this has not stopped KT from sacking and having to pay off 4 managers in that period.Whilst I accept the Covid situation makes things more difficult for KT I don't think he would hold back on giving Curle the chop if he felt we were likely to get relegated under his tenure.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on November 15, 2020, 20:08:23 pm
Manwork - nobody is saying that Page would still be here although he has just managed his national side to victory. I thought that with your claimed "higher intellect" you would have been able to see the point being made was that sacking after sacking has not worked in the past so why would another be any different this time.
I notice that you always have to resort to personal insults and profanities in your posts but I will not be replying in kind as I prefer to conduct myself to a higher standard.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 15, 2020, 20:21:23 pm
Manwork - nobody is saying that Page would still be here although he has just managed his national side to victory. I thought that with your claimed "higher intellect" you would have been able to see the point being made was that sacking after sacking has not worked in the past so why would another be any different this time.
I notice that you always have to resort to personal insults and profanities in your posts but I will not be replying in kind as I prefer to conduct myself to a higher standard.

I kind of get what he's saying though.....if we never sacked a manager we'd always have the same one!

As I pointed out yesterday, we sacked Clive Walker, Tony Barton was with us for five minutes and then along came Graham Carr......despite him taking us up a league with that exciting season it didn't take long until he found his level and was sacked when we went back down.
We had John Barnwell in charge before he was sacked....and along came Ian Atkins, who took us to within 90 minutes of the Championship, only for it all to go wrong later and he was sacked....replaced by Kevin Wilson who took us back up again, found he couldn't do it at the higher level and guess what, he was sacked too!
Then via Kevan Broadhurst, and Terry Fenwick we ended up with Martin Wilkinson...who was sacked and Colin Calderwood took us to success. Aidy Boothroys was here a couple of seasons (look at him now) but he was sacked, and we got Chris Wilder.

Every manager has a level at which they can do ok (except for Fenwick).......Curle was doing ok at League 2 level (as he has done for the majority of his career) but not so good now we have gone up a level.

Why is it that fans clamour for better players when we get promoted, because they think we need higher quality when up against better quality teams, yet the same doesn't seem to apply to managers??


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on November 15, 2020, 20:43:15 pm
What better quality manager do you want us to have GPC?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on November 15, 2020, 20:46:47 pm
Ok. So that tells us he has twice as many wins as his nearest rival. It tells us he doesn't do draws (maybe because of the exciting end to end attacking football he supports!) and that he is a loser but we know that full well!

I hate stats for this very reason. They can be manipulated and are only factual 53% of the time.

I have a better answer. For some strange reason a lot of folk on here are concerned about the cost. No idea why cos it ain't our money, the club is already in huge debt, the epl are happy to bail us out if it comes to the crunch and even if we went pop we would rise again. However to assuage this concern, how about giving him a written warning? We could then get shot at Christmas when we will certainly be in the same boat. Lubbly jubbly.

The finances all goes back to my point earlier in the week about the FA Cup game that our saviour decided to throw. We made over £700k from the Cup run and so progression this season should have been paramount so the club can recoup some revenue. He decided it was irrelevant, and then couldn't motivate more than 1 shot on target the following game. That isn't acceptable.

We also got promoted so are earning more money due to being in a higher division.

To top it, we made significant profit on Charlie Goode.

The club earned a lot more than many in the bottom two divisions over the last 6 months.

Now we are in this higher division, we cannot afford to drop down again. As a result of this, survival is the most important thing and under Curle, it looks extremely unlikely.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 15, 2020, 20:54:24 pm
What better quality manager do you want us to have GPC?

I was just trying to make a couple of points.....firstly that sacking managers does sometimes work and is sometimes necessary.

Secondly, why are managers not like players? A player capable of playing in the fourth tier is often found wanting in the third.....why not apply the same analogy to a manager?

To be honest TP, I don't know who would apply if the job came up.....if you look at someone like Paul Cook for example, his level has been second and third tier, not the bottom league and did a decent job in difficult circumstances at Wigan last season. The likes of Steve Cotterill and Gary Bowyer are on the list for prospective Bristol Rovers manager, alongside Cowley, Alexander and co.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on November 15, 2020, 20:55:34 pm
GPC - I don't recall people wanting Atkins, Calderwood or Wilder replaced because we would be playing in a higher division and most were upset when Calderwood and Wilder immediately moved on because we wanted continuity. I think the difference this time is that KC is having to work to a more challenging budget and was not able to entice some of his first choice transfer targets to join us and some of the signings are for the so called developement programme.
We had a spate of early season injuries which have almost cleared up but Pollock has not played, McWilliams has played very little, Mills will be out for a few more weeks and the Nuttall situation has been farcical. It is not that KC has lost the dressing room as was the case of some of the previous changes so I am not sure a change would have a major effect. Having said that we obviously need to improve all over the pitch.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 15, 2020, 20:58:55 pm
Genuinely confused by the debate on here? All it emphasises is that whether Curle deserves to go or not statistically bring in a new bloke will fail to improve matters? Meanwhile it piles on the financial pressure? Many posters have highlighted survival in division one as the priority? Well my argument remains financial survival is the priority and not one post on this subject even comes close to making a case for enhancing our position regarding this in my opinion, sorry. The good news for many though is Iím not KT. However, if he has the same mindset over this as me Curle wonít be going anywhere, past history regarding reactions to poor performances or not? Itís the right decision, as difficult and frustrating as this may be for some on here?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 15, 2020, 21:28:01 pm
I kind of get what he's saying though.....if we never sacked a manager we'd always have the same one!

As I pointed out yesterday, we sacked Clive Walker, Tony Barton was with us for five minutes and then along came Graham Carr......despite him taking us up a league with that exciting season it didn't take long until he found his level and was sacked when we went back down.
We had John Barnwell in charge before he was sacked....and along came Ian Atkins, who took us to within 90 minutes of the Championship, only for it all to go wrong later and he was sacked....replaced by Kevin Wilson who took us back up again, found he couldn't do it at the higher level and guess what, he was sacked too!
Then via Kevan Broadhurst, and Terry Fenwick we ended up with Martin Wilkinson...who was sacked and Colin Calderwood took us to success. Aidy Boothroys was here a couple of seasons (look at him now) but he was sacked, and we got Chris Wilder.

Every manager has a level at which they can do ok (except for Fenwick).......Curle was doing ok at League 2 level (as he has done for the majority of his career) but not so good now we have gone up a level.

Why is it that fans clamour for better players when we get promoted, because they think we need higher quality when up against better quality teams, yet the same doesn't seem to apply to managers??

Think I get your point but Chapman bucked the trend? Not with the Cobblers thoí! Must be some Cobblers Managers like Calderwood who have  - again not with us! Not to mention Bowen! Probably have not totally grasped yr point!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 15, 2020, 21:43:25 pm
GPC - I don't recall people wanting Atkins, Calderwood or Wilder replaced because we would be playing in a higher division and most were upset when Calderwood and Wilder immediately moved on because we wanted continuity. I think the difference this time is that KC is having to work to a more challenging budget and was not able to entice some of his first choice transfer targets to join us and some of the signings are for the so called developement programme.
We had a spate of early season injuries which have almost cleared up but Pollock has not played, McWilliams has played very little, Mills will be out for a few more weeks and the Nuttall situation has been farcical. It is not that KC has lost the dressing room as was the case of some of the previous changes so I am not sure a change would have a major effect. Having said that we obviously need to improve all over the pitch.

Serious question, when would you advocate sacking a manager?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on November 15, 2020, 22:33:40 pm
After promotion, survival in League 1 was the aim for this season. Now the longer the virus situation persists as Melbourne says survival of the club has to be the main priority.
All the money earned last season from the Cup and sale of Charlie Goode must now be regarded as our survival kitty. We can either use that to pay the running costs or add it to the playing budget that KC has retained. Using that money now to pay off the manager and coaching staff seems premature, better to wait till the turn of the year and then decide whether to stick or twist.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on November 15, 2020, 22:41:24 pm
I think most people would have hoped we wouldn't have this thread but we have. The question you have to ask is "Is Curle using the best tactics, players and formations to maximise our survival hopes" , unfortunately it seems most think that he's not. We've been using zonal defending all season and it clearly doesn't work for us, resulting in only 5 teams out of the 92 conceding more. We use a wingback system despite having no wingbacks, so we use either a full back or a winger. He, basically, decides to throw away a chance to earn money from the FA Cup by "resting "players who hadn't had a match for 8 days. I could go on with other era's of judgement that we can all see, including Curle, but do we expect him to change the things that are not working? Unfortunately I don't, but I hope I'm wrong  


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 16, 2020, 00:27:19 am
There are a number of people stating that Ďsurvival was the aimí for this season.....where did that come from?
Iíve just watched a YouTube video with KT after promotion, itís pretty clear to me that he wanted/expected a bit more than just survival, indeed there were many references to Wycombe and us being a similar size club, they of course got promoted to the Championship. Iím struggling to see how Kelvins words translated to ĎIíd be happy with 20th placeí

At the end of the day none of us know exactly what the Chairmanís requirements for this season were/are, and none of us know what the financial status of the club is, with the increased income in some quarters and decreased in others.....

There will always be a financial cost to sacking a manager.....weíd be obliged to pay KC if we did get rid....but only until he got a new job of course! If he was paid less in his new role weíd have to make up the difference. Only if heís not going to work for the next 18 months would it cost us 18 months salary.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 16, 2020, 01:00:15 am
Should just point out that my understanding is that income from the FA cup is mainly driven by gate receipts and tv? Therefore the financial benefit of any cup run may have been far less lucrative this year?
Whilst labouring the point people have to understand that without spectators there is a point in the future where every single EFL club will have to shut the doors and fold. This could be next month, next year or whenever? The point is every expenditure brings that date forward, and every saving pushes that date back?
Every club would have made an evaluation of when they could have reasonably expected fans back through the turnstiles during pre-season. Of course itís all subjective but my personal best guess is the reasonable assumption would have been around Xmas?
Basically in our business we have a rule where if you are dealing with the unfamiliar or uncertain you add 30%. Whatever you project something will cost add 30%, however long you think it will take add 30%. The premise often seems to work out when on unfamiliar ground? Given that, I would have anticipated fans by mid Feb inflicting a loss of around 2,800,000. This is based on the club losing a million a year plus a turnover of half the usual 4 million as indicated by KT? Of course this is all finger in the air and guesswork, but by my probably conservative estimation we are out of budgeted money about middle to end of Feb on even our reasonable budgetary projection?
I would guess that many clubs have not been that conservative in their projections and some would have been unable to sustain that drop in revenue should that be the anticipated trading conditions?
So then we are into how much further KT and Co are prepared to or even capable of generating additional funding? It doesnít matter what or how well intentioned your motives are, there will be a line that you will be unprepared or unable to cross?
So the question is, how long can the club survive without gate receipts and what actions can be taken to create as much longevity as possible? Given all this are some really sure that they want to contemplate or demand we get rid of Curle and pay off his contract? They must be out of their fcuking minds, please look at the current situation and try and understand the position facing us and other clubs.
We have no idea when supporters are getting back in, let alone to an amount that will make us a viable concern? Without the significant generosity of season ticket holders we may well already be in trouble and many of them may be squeezed financially themselves?
KTs business interests may be suffering through lack of advertising revenue, turnover or whatever? There are so many variables that we are unsure of, but the fact remains that the money will at some point run out and the more you spend the sooner that will be.
So please all of you, take this into consideration when you make your demands? Getting rid of Curle and avoiding relegation should be way down on our list of priorities?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on November 16, 2020, 05:49:47 am
There is another consideration aside from cost, KT is trying to sell the club and has been for the past couple of years. If there were no takers when we had just got promoted to L1 I doubt there will be anyone hammering on his door when we are stuck in the bottom 4. Quite what response that draws from KT I donít know but I donít see Curle going anywhere for the moment. If KT loses interest I think any amount of good housekeeping is unlikely to save us.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on November 16, 2020, 08:29:47 am
There are a number of people stating that Ďsurvival was the aimí for this season.....where did that come from?
Iíve just watched a YouTube video with KT after promotion, itís pretty clear to me that he wanted/expected a bit more than just survival, indeed there were many references to Wycombe and us being a similar size club, they of course got promoted to the Championship. Iím struggling to see how Kelvins words translated to ĎIíd be happy with 20th placeí

At the end of the day none of us know exactly what the Chairmanís requirements for this season were/are, and none of us know what the financial status of the club is, with the increased income in some quarters and decreased in others.....

There will always be a financial cost to sacking a manager.....weíd be obliged to pay KC if we did get rid....but only until he got a new job of course! If he was paid less in his new role weíd have to make up the difference. Only if heís not going to work for th next 18 months would it cost us 18 months salary.
I donít wish to be argumentative for the sake of it but this isnít necessarily true .
It would depend on the severance agreement .
Itís very likely Curle would get a job straight away if he left us and so he probably would reject an arrangement such as that . His back room staff maybe less so .
I think we could afford to sack Curle but i am not sure who we could afford to replace him . The Cowley brothers would be expensive . I donít see why people think Calderwood is a shoe in . He hasnt done anything for years . Living in Boughton only counts for so much !
Having said that , if Curle doesnít change his Plan A in the next few weeks , he has to go .


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on November 16, 2020, 09:15:56 am
In any business you have to get rid of someone if they are driving that business down. Performance is everything. In one week we have seen 2 of the most abject displays I have ever witnessed. If things don't improve significantly and quickly then it is best for everyone to call it a day. The costs will have to be absorbed.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 16, 2020, 09:46:13 am
Should just point out that my understanding is that income from the FA cup is mainly driven by gate receipts and tv? Therefore the financial benefit of any cup run may have been far less lucrative this year?
Whilst labouring the point people have to understand that without spectators there is a point in the future where every single EFL club will have to shut the doors and fold. This could be next month, next year or whenever? The point is every expenditure brings that date forward, and every saving pushes that date back?
Every club would have made an evaluation of when they could have reasonably expected fans back through the turnstiles during pre-season. Of course itís all subjective but my personal best guess is the reasonable assumption would have been around Xmas?
Basically in our business we have a rule where if you are dealing with the unfamiliar or uncertain you add 30%. Whatever you project something will cost add 30%, however long you think it will take add 30%. The premise often seems to work out when on unfamiliar ground? Given that, I would have anticipated fans by mid Feb inflicting a loss of around 2,800,000. This is based on the club losing a million a year plus a turnover of half the usual 4 million as indicated by KT? Of course this is all finger in the air and guesswork, but by my probably conservative estimation we are out of budgeted money about middle to end of Feb on even our reasonable budgetary projection?
I would guess that many clubs have not been that conservative in their projections and some would have been unable to sustain that drop in revenue should that be the anticipated trading conditions?
So then we are into how much further KT and Co are prepared to or even capable of generating additional funding? It doesnít matter what or how well intentioned your motives are, there will be a line that you will be unprepared or unable to cross?
So the question is, how long can the club survive without gate receipts and what actions can be taken to create as much longevity as possible? Given all this are some really sure that they want to contemplate or demand we get rid of Curle and pay off his contract? They must be out of their fcuking minds, please look at the current situation and try and understand the position facing us and other clubs.
We have no idea when supporters are getting back in, let alone to an amount that will make us a viable concern? Without the significant generosity of season ticket holders we may well already be in trouble and many of them may be squeezed financially themselves?
KTs business interests may be suffering through lack of advertising revenue, turnover or whatever? There are so many variables that we are unsure of, but the fact remains that the money will at some point run out and the more you spend the sooner that will be.
So please all of you, take this into consideration when you make your demands? Getting rid of Curle and avoiding relegation should be way down on our list of priorities?
As you like to compare football to a business Melly I have a business question for you, if you had a business unit head who was constantly underperforming, making strange business decisions and had made some bad acquisitions as part of his/ her P&L, youíve already challenged them and they think they are doing as well as all the other BU managers, how long would you let them stay in charge?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on November 16, 2020, 09:59:28 am
Should just point out that my understanding is that income from the FA cup is mainly driven by gate receipts and tv? Therefore the financial benefit of any cup run may have been far less lucrative this year?

So then we are into how much further KT and Co are prepared to or even capable of generating additional funding? It doesnít matter what or how well intentioned your motives are, there will be a line that you will be unprepared or unable to cross?
So the question is, how long can the club survive without gate receipts and what actions can be taken to create as much longevity as possible? Given all this are some really sure that they want to contemplate or demand we get rid of Curle and pay off his contract? They must be out of their fcuking minds, please look at the current situation and try and understand the position facing us and other clubs.

So please all of you, take this into consideration when you make your demands? Getting rid of Curle and avoiding relegation should be way down on our list of priorities?
I understand all what you are saying, but, if KT & Co were looking to keep expenditure down, why on earth did they give Curle a 2 year contract ? That's surely not the wisest thing to commit too in the middle of a pandemic ?
   Most of the money from FA Cup runs comes from the FA it self, TV is a bonus, and gate receipts unless you get Man Utd away, are only a small amount.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 16, 2020, 10:31:47 am
As you like to compare football to a business Melly I have a business question for you, if you had a business unit head who was constantly underperforming, making strange business decisions and had made some bad acquisitions as part of his/ her P&L, youíve already challenged them and they think they are doing as well as all the other BU managers, how long would you let them stay in charge?
Er, not long.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 16, 2020, 10:36:15 am
To clarify, if you have made bad or unwise decisions without the benefit of hindsight then accept it and learn from it. However, donít compound it by making yet another mistake in some vain attempt to reinvent or rectify history.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 16, 2020, 10:36:29 am
Er, not long.
I rest my case mílord, no more questions.  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on November 16, 2020, 12:08:59 pm
I understand all what you are saying, but, if KT & Co were looking to keep expenditure down, why on earth did they give Curle a 2 year contract ? That's surely not the wisest thing to commit too in the middle of a pandemic ?
   

It's a difficult balance to strike though. Curle got us promoted last year, delivered a brilliant and profitable cup run and developed Goode to the point there were multiple clubs circling around with their wallets out. Curle had a brilliant season for us and everyone grudgingly admitted that.

Curle says he wants a 2 year deal and will walk if he doesn't get it (Speaking hypothetically; I've no idea if that is what happened but I suspect it's not unlikely and after the much lauded play off success wouldn't have been lacking in suitors).

If you're KT, do you let him walk or give him what he wants? If he goes the fans would be pissed off and calling you a cheapskate (a la the Vadaine Oliver situation) and if the next appointment stinks it would be "should have given Curle what he wanted."

Instead you go for the devil you know, and when it all goes wrong everyone says "why give him such a long contract?"

Who'd be a football chairman?!?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on November 16, 2020, 12:26:07 pm
I donít wish to be argumentative for the sake of it but this isnít necessarily true .
It would depend on the severance agreement .
Itís very likely Curle would get a job straight away if he left us and so he probably would reject an arrangement such as that . His back room staff maybe less so .
I think we could afford to sack Curle but i am not sure who we could afford to replace him . The Cowley brothers would be expensive . I donít see why people think Calderwood is a shoe in . He hasnt done anything for years . Living in Boughton only counts for so much !
Having said that , if Curle doesnít change his Plan A in the next few weeks , he has to go .
He was manager at Cambridge United last season until they sacked him


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on November 16, 2020, 13:12:22 pm
He was manager at Cambridge United last season until they sacked him
I know
Exactly my point !


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on November 16, 2020, 13:15:15 pm
Keith wonít be going anywhere. £££££ Housekeeping


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on November 16, 2020, 13:36:30 pm
I know
Exactly my point !
No you didnít


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 16, 2020, 13:37:41 pm
Keith wonít be going anywhere. £££££ Housekeeping
It will be great housekeeping when we get relegated from our 4 bed detached and put into a caravan.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: cobblerwatch on November 16, 2020, 13:57:48 pm
............ from our 4 bed detached and put into a caravan.

....must be the de development plan


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on November 16, 2020, 14:11:50 pm
It will be great housekeeping when we get relegated from our 4 bed detached and put into a caravan.
Housekeeping is paramount and it appears far more important than trying to stay in league one.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on November 16, 2020, 14:43:29 pm
Housekeeping is paramount and it appears far more important than trying to stay in league one.


Well it's all about balance, as a 'Shoemaker' which is most important:-

   The Shoes ? (ie The Football Club) or:-
   The box you pack them in ? (League 1 or 2)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on November 16, 2020, 14:45:56 pm
No you didnít
I would go as far to say 100% of people on here know that Calderwood managed Cambridge last season .
I repeat my point - Calderwood has done little of significance as a manager ( not as a coach ) for a number of years . Why anyone thinks he his an obvious choice here is beyond me.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on November 16, 2020, 14:56:16 pm
I would go as far to say 100% of people on here know that Calderwood managed Cambridge last season .
I repeat my point - Calderwood has done little of significance as a manager ( not as a coach ) for a number of years . Why anyone thinks he his an obvious choice here is beyond me.
Agreed


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on November 16, 2020, 15:16:14 pm
Curle says he wants a 2 year deal and will walk if he doesn't get it (Speaking hypothetically; I've no idea if that is what happened but I suspect it's not unlikely and after the much lauded play off success wouldn't have been lacking in suitors).
If you're KT, do you let him walk or give him what he wants? If he goes the fans would be pissed off and calling you a cheapskate (a la the Vadaine Oliver situation) and if the next appointment stinks it would be "should have given Curle what he wanted."
Instead you go for the devil you know, and when it all goes wrong everyone says "why give him such a long contract?"

I know what you're saying, but, if he insists on a 2 year deal, put performance clauses in it, who knows maybe there are clauses? If he had just threatened "to walk" if he didn't get a 2 year deal, my answer would have been "bye". Lets face it, he was an out of work League 2 manager, in his late 50's without a promotion to his name when he came to us. If he had left who would have employed him ? only a struggling League 2 team where he would only get the same as we were paying him if he was lucky, he's not Jurgen Klopp, there would be a very limited amount of jobs open to him, so if he could do better, fair play off you go.
      I really hope that KT DID put some clauses in the contract, if he didn't I'd want to know why if I was David Bower.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 16, 2020, 17:11:45 pm
A few clubs (not ours) carried a statement on Friday following the meeting between EFL and EPL regarding the proposed short term bail out package, and it seems that after rejecting similar proposals in October they are now accepting the same in November.....they were worded the same way, for example.....

https://www.crewealex.net/news/2020/november/efl-statement-rescue-package/

There are other articles out  there such as.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54895818

Maybe the Covid black hole is about to be filled to some extent, and then the financial arguments about not sacking KC will be less relevant.

On that subject, sacking Curle that is, its noticeable in this thread that not very many at all are making a case for him to stay based on their perceived ability of him to turn things around....

Also noticeable that the official site is headlining the efforts and performance of Jon Brady's youth team over the weekend. Whenever I've read the reports on the performances of our youngsters its almost like they are talking about a different club altogether..... "players putting in a tremendous performance" and "played on the front foot" are not sentences i've read about the senior team recently.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: andy scouse on November 16, 2020, 17:56:23 pm
My comment to suggest Calderwood might be a  possible replacement for Curle is not to say I think he will do a particularly better job than Curle its just that with KTs track record apart from last season his choice of replacement managers has been underwhelming.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Zen Master on November 16, 2020, 19:26:46 pm
Itís not only that weíre losing games itís the way weíre losing games that bothers me. The lack of passing ability or retaining any semblance of possession and the lack of goal threat. If we were losing games but scoring some goals Iíd have more hope that we can shore up the defence and stand a chance.

 We seem to either launch it forward with little chance of winning the second ball or itís so ponderous itís easier to defend against.

Personally Iíd go back to a simple 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. Square pegs in square holes as much as possible with man marking at set pieces.

Would I sack him. Probably not for all the reasons Melly has given about financial concerns but it gets harder the more games go by if results donít improve. They say itís a results business but not if you hav3 t got a club left because youíve blown too much on severance packages.
I just think he needs to consider a different way.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 16, 2020, 19:51:17 pm
I would go as far to say 100% of people on here know that Calderwood managed Cambridge last season .
I repeat my point - Calderwood has done little of significance as a manager ( not as a coach ) for a number of years . Why anyone thinks he his an obvious choice here is beyond me.
Absolutely. I cannot understand why people get excited about the return of former personel.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on November 16, 2020, 20:40:29 pm
Can someone please explain the reasoning behind training on our pitch when we have a decent set up at Moulton?

The pitch is in a complete state and I dread to think what it will be like in January/February time. I think it hinders us as much as other teams and is becoming an embarrassment, all opposition managers comment on our 'difficult pitch'. There was a time when our pitch was one of the best in the lower leagues now it's the worst.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 16, 2020, 20:48:41 pm
Can someone please explain the reasoning behind training on our pitch when we have a decent set up at Moulton?

The pitch is in a complete state and I dread to think what it will be like in January/February time. I think it hinders us as much as other teams and is becoming an embarrassment, all opposition managers comment on our 'difficult pitch'. There was a time when our pitch was one of the best in the lower leagues now it's the worst.


I was thinking just the same when Toggle Tim was wittering on about it on the commentary, it wouldnít surprise me if it was one of Curles ďTacticsĒ to stop teams passing around us?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on November 16, 2020, 20:56:15 pm
I was thinking just the same when Toggle Tim was wittering on about it on the commentary, it wouldnít surprise me if it was one of Curles ďTacticsĒ to stop teams passing around us?

Well it ain't working if that's true. We hardly score at home but still concede.

Don't we play better football away from home on better pitches like Shrewsbury, Wigan and Plymouth?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 16, 2020, 21:00:51 pm
Curles never liked training at Moulton, god know why?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on November 16, 2020, 21:41:10 pm
Please Mr KC can you please tell me what 'our fundamentals' are? Do they include, shots on target, secure defence, ability to pass the ball, maintaining possession, hunger and desire, having a plan, being honest about our performance relative to the opposition, picking the right players in a system with a chance of success, or none of the above?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Vince Planner on November 16, 2020, 23:34:06 pm
If we lose on Saturday the knives will definitely be out.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 17, 2020, 22:02:45 pm
Has he gone yet?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 17, 2020, 23:00:55 pm
"A penalty shoot out is a great opportunity for the players to show what they're about"

"When things aren't going well you find out about the fabric and the DNA of a football club"

Fundamentals, jigsaws and dominos......you could publish a book all about Curle's quotes.......it wouldn't win any awards with the Plain English Campaign though.......


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 17, 2020, 23:03:34 pm
"A penalty shoot out is a great opportunity for the players to show what they're about"

"When things aren't going well you find out about the fabric and the DNA of a football club"

Fundamentals, jigsaws and dominos......you could publish a book all about Curle's quotes.......it wouldn't win any awards with the Plain English Campaign though.......
The mutterings of a desperate man..........lose to Burton and ironically heíll be gone for a Burton.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on November 18, 2020, 05:30:29 am
We were known as Northampton Town Football Club,

then we were known as NTFC NIL,

Now we are known as NTFC nil AGAIN!!!!!


Thank you Mr Curle.

Over to KT.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on November 18, 2020, 07:07:37 am
"A penalty shoot out is a great opportunity for the players to show what they're about"

"When things aren't going well you find out about the fabric and the DNA of a football club"

Fundamentals, jigsaws and dominos......you could publish a book all about Curle's quotes.......it wouldn't win any awards with the Plain English Campaign though.......
As i have said before , Curleís pseudo psychology blarney is his worst trait .
He talks total rubbish and tries to make out he has an in depth philosophy of life and the way football should be run .
The reality is he hasnít a clue and itís all hogwash .
Just get the team motivated and playing football the way it should be played Keith and you might do us all a favour


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 18, 2020, 09:53:51 am
Defeat on Saturday and I think his job is untenable to be quite honest.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on November 18, 2020, 09:57:42 am
Defeat on Saturday and I think his job is untenable to be quite honest.
That has been your weekly post for the past 12 months!!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 18, 2020, 10:01:50 am
Out of interest, was I the only person watching last night willing on a landslide victory for Stevenage?

Could have had the clueless one gone before the weekend, with someone competent in to focus on the league.

Now I'm left wanting us to pick up points on Saturday but wanting him gone at the same time!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 18, 2020, 10:04:19 am
That has been your weekly post for the past 12 months!!!
Itíll be worth the wait, terrible football to watch.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: greek73 on November 18, 2020, 10:55:27 am
I'm all for giving a manager a chance. But i just can't see how this can or will be turned around anytime soon with KC in charge. As the saying goes "keep doing the same things and you will get the same results"


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 18, 2020, 12:44:22 pm
Curles never liked training at Moulton, god know why?
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-continue-training-pts-curle-hopeful-pitch-will-hold-3037659


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on November 18, 2020, 13:40:55 pm
KC is wrong to train on the Sixfields pitch. Playing at home should be an advantage BUT we have more away wins to home wins!
Moulton has been good enough previously and been improved since.

KC is wrong to play so many players out of position;

Harriman is a really good full back not wing back
Adams is a creative wide midfielder not a left wing back
Hoskins can only be productive just behind a front two
Roberts can supply crosses from the left midfield not a wing back

Nullifying opposition instead of imposing ourselves on opposition is only producing non productive boring football.

KC please change or you will be!



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on November 18, 2020, 14:35:26 pm
KC is wrong to train on the Sixfields pitch. Playing at home should be an advantage BUT we have more away wins to home wins!
Moulton has been good enough previously and been improved since.

KC is wrong to play so many players out of position;

Harriman is a really good full back not wing back
Adams is a creative wide midfielder not a left wing back
Hoskins can only be productive just behind a front two
Roberts can supply crosses from the left midfield not a wing back
Nullifying opposition instead of imposing ourselves on opposition is only producing non productive boring football.
KC please change or you will be!
Can't argue with any of this.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on November 18, 2020, 15:39:49 pm
Out of interest, was I the only person watching last night willing on a landslide victory for Stevenage?

Could have had the clueless one gone before the weekend, with someone competent in to focus on the league.

Now I'm left wanting us to pick up points on Saturday but wanting him gone at the same time!

You have a strange choice of username, you would think he was your hero but clearly he's not  ::)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on November 19, 2020, 10:59:12 am
I wonder how Wales would have got on in the last 3 games with KC in charge, instead of a much derided (by some) former Cobblers manager.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: LondonCobbler on November 19, 2020, 14:12:21 pm
Just playing Devil's Advocate for a minute.

I'm assuming that Curles "Housekeeping" means we are working with a playing budget thats League 2 level? Then that means that this season is a free hit in terms of finances. If we go down, KT won't be too disappointed because we haven't gambled on staying up and then left with a League 1 playing budget in League 2 (similar to what happened when we got relegated last time) and if we stay up, even better?

Rotherham are the only team in the Championship who make a profit. Yes, they are always flirting with relegation and all their best players eventually get poached but they are a well run club that lives within their means.

I also am not enjoying watching the hoofball tactics and there are large parts of the team which don't seem to want it this season. But, i would rather have a club run on conservative finances rather than speculative finances.

I'm pretty sure KC will have until January at least. If we aren't cut adrift i think KC has earned the right to fight for the season. I agree he needs to try something different and needs to get back that fighting spirit we had in the playoffs. I remember posting on here last season at a similar time in the season to get Curle out and he managed to recover and i was too early to call for his head so this time i am just going to give him more time.

The other problem is who would replace him, lets be honest we are not going to attract the likes of Paul Cook and the Cowley Brothers. We would just get in another KC type of manager and it would only take a few dodgy results and performances for us to jump on their back.

As many have said, survival is the number one aim but to give him credit, KC's housekeeping has probably meant that it isn't essential.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 19, 2020, 14:33:27 pm
Just playing Devil's Advocate for a minute.

I'm assuming that Curles "Housekeeping" means we are working with a playing budget thats League 2 level? Then that means that this season is a free hit in terms of finances. If we go down, KT won't be too disappointed because we haven't gambled on staying up and then left with a League 1 playing budget in League 2 (similar to what happened when we got relegated last time) and if we stay up, even better?

Rotherham are the only team in the Championship who make a profit. Yes, they are always flirting with relegation and all their best players eventually get poached but they are a well run club that lives within their means.

I also am not enjoying watching the hoofball tactics and there are large parts of the team which don't seem to want it this season. But, i would rather have a club run on conservative finances rather than speculative finances.

I'm pretty sure KC will have until January at least. If we aren't cut adrift i think KC has earned the right to fight for the season. I agree he needs to try something different and needs to get back that fighting spirit we had in the playoffs. I remember posting on here last season at a similar time in the season to get Curle out and he managed to recover and i was too early to call for his head so this time i am just going to give him more time.

The other problem is who would replace him, lets be honest we are not going to attract the likes of Paul Cook and the Cowley Brothers. We would just get in another KC type of manager and it would only take a few dodgy results and performances for us to jump on their back.

As many have said, survival is the number one aim but to give him credit, KC's housekeeping has probably meant that it isn't essential.

That all sounds about right. I'm not sure about the budget though. KC and KT will both title it as a competitive budget. Just because they and every other manager does.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on November 19, 2020, 15:00:53 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-continue-training-pts-curle-hopeful-pitch-will-hold-3037659

I wonder how much they are saving by not training at Moulton College?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 19, 2020, 18:47:47 pm
I wonder how much they are saving by not training at Moulton College?
My thoughts too.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on November 22, 2020, 07:35:27 am
In today... to be continued


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 22, 2020, 11:31:17 am


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on November 22, 2020, 12:32:08 pm
KC has regularly said football is as much as what you do without the ball as what you do with it. Yesterday was another prime example of possession counting for very little as Burton had 62% possession and Mitchell did not have to make a serious save. When we played MK they had 68% possession and didn't look like scoring as a lot of the possession was playing tippy tappy football across the back line. Thank goodness we do not have to watch that every week.
Yesterday MK had 65% possession and lost, Rochdale had 60% possession and lost, Crewe had 70% possession and got hammered 4-0. If you keep your shape when the opposition has the ball it can make it very difficult for them to create chances. I would like to see less crosses coming into our box but it is probably to be expected when you start with only 3 defenders and attacking players at wing back, although both also got through some good defensive work yesterday.
People say we have no plan B but KC tweeked the shape yesterday to play 1 up front with Holmes and Chukwuemeka playing behind him and to get in behind their defense and it worked. Nobody on here came close to predicting yesterdays starting 11 and yes we were playing Burton but you can only beat what is in front of you, they had drawn twice at Peterborough this season.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Charlatan on November 22, 2020, 13:15:40 pm
KC has regularly said football is as much as what you do without the ball as what you do with it. Yesterday was another prime example of possession counting for very little as Burton had 62% possession and Mitchell did not have to make a serious save. When we played MK they had 68% possession and didn't look like scoring as a lot of the possession was playing tippy tappy football across the back line. Thank goodness we do not have to watch that every week.
Yesterday MK had 65% possession and lost, Rochdale had 60% possession and lost, Crewe had 70% possession and got hammered 4-0. If you keep your shape when the opposition has the ball it can make it very difficult for them to create chances. I would like to see less crosses coming into our box but it is probably to be expected when you start with only 3 defenders and attacking players at wing back, although both also got through some good defensive work yesterday.
People say we have no plan B but KC tweeked the shape yesterday to play 1 up front with Holmes and Chukwuemeka playing behind him and to get in behind their defense and it worked. Nobody on here came close to predicting yesterdays starting 11 and yes we were playing Burton but you can only beat what is in front of you, they had drawn twice at Peterborough this season.

Good post Sir


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: The Hask on November 22, 2020, 17:21:18 pm
I wonder how much they are saving by not training at Moulton College?

The club needs to do all it can to save money so can hardly blame them I guess


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on November 22, 2020, 18:37:26 pm
People keep saying on here, you can only beat what is put in front of you. I do not think there is any truth in this statement whatsoever.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 22, 2020, 19:22:45 pm
People keep saying on here, you can only beat what is put in front of you. I do not think there is any truth in this statement whatsoever.

 ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: MunchyMagic on November 24, 2020, 15:51:08 pm
Hi all - a Carlisle United fan here again, the one that was pro-Curle when he was appointed your manager.

Just thought that I would have a look over here to see how he is getting on and it does make me chuckle as it virtually mirrors what a lot of Carlisle United supporters were saying when he was our manager, albeit with different players of course.

Like yourselves the players that we had under Curle were on those incentive based contracts, we however we were top of the league at Christmas and our board were furious because they were skint by forking out those bonuses and it put the club in a bit of bother financially, they are still blaming Curle for this 'mess' to this very day - basically they couldn't afford the money that success on the pitch was bringing and what happened was that the club found a way of how to stop paying these 'win' bonuses, the players reported the club to the PFA, the club won and then our form plummeted us down the league till we scraped a last upturn of form and got into the playoffs.

Our board would have loved to have sacked him but Curle has a knack of turning things around as you have seen, the arguments that you have that the football is poor is what our fans were saying but the majority of fans were behind him because the results on the whole were very good, after inheriting one of our worst ever teams that was routed to the bottom of the league he turned us into a club that pushed for promotion every season, the season was always kept alive until the last few games which I liked, I think that Curle is not bothered about a settled team which many find infuriating but sets the team up for individual games which can play havoc with your form, we for example hadn't won in a while and there were rumours from 'people in the know' that he had lost the dressing room then he went and won four games on the bounce silencing the critics.

I can see both sides to be honest but it all depends on what you are happy with, give Curle a bit of money and he will take you there or there about in the league nearly every time, if you don't then the lower placing in the league coupled with the style of football may be a bit too much for some - one thing Curle has though as mentioned is the ability to turn things around that many other managers don't have, usually they hit rocky form that they cannot get out of and are sacked.

Many wouldn't but I would have Curle back as manager in the future but our new lad Beech is doing the business for us now- I don't think that he would be allowed back anyhow as the DOF still slags him off at every opportunity to this very day, he also forgets that the squad that Curle left us with was excellent and even Sheridan had them flying at the top of the league, a lot of the bad feeling was that Curle was 'allegedly' side-stepping the usual routes to signing players and was going straight to the owner who sanctioned them going above others therefore putting their noses out of joint. 

Anyhow - good luck for the rest of the season and with a bit of luck we will be up there in League 1 playing you next season :)



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Pablo69 on November 24, 2020, 17:05:23 pm
Thank you Munchy magic for a very informative and interesting post. I personally think that KC is about the best that we could expect to want to manage us. We are not a top team and do not have a rich history, excellent ground, or a vast supporter base. I do feel that some posters on here expect him to be a Klopp or similar. I accept he has his faults ( imho zone marking and team tinkering too much)  but he has done well to get us promoted last season. I do think he will keep us up ( i predicted 16th or 17th before the season started)  Bearing in mind we lost turnbull cornell goode oliver etc and started with a whole new defence at shortish notice i think this would be acceptable and give him time to improve the squad albeit on a shoestring.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on November 24, 2020, 17:27:50 pm
Thank you Munchy magic for a very informative and interesting post. I personally think that KC is about the best that we could expect to want to manage us. We are not a top team and do not have a rich history, excellent ground, or a vast supporter base. I do feel that some posters on here expect him to be a Klopp or similar. I accept he has his faults ( imho zone marking and team tinkering too much)  but he has done well to get us promoted last season. I do think he will keep us up ( i predicted 16th or 17th before the season started)  Bearing in mind we lost turnbull cornell goode oliver etc and started with a whole new defence at shortish notice i think this would be acceptable and give him time to improve the squad albeit on a shoestring.
Not a top team - how do you qualify this? Sunderland or Burnley, which is the top team between these, for example? We would possibly be a top team if a decent manager got us a couple of promotions a la Bournemouth.
No rich history - well we have been a first division team and we have had a lot of promotions, even recently, just a pity we didn't have the consistency of management to stay in the higher division.
Don't have a vast supporter base - we took one of the biggest ever contingents to Wembley, so who knows how many would watch the Cobblers if we had a team that didn't constantly crash back to tier 4.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 24, 2020, 17:57:30 pm
Not a top team - how do you qualify this? Sunderland or Burnley, which is the top team between these, for example? We would possibly be a top team if a decent manager got us a couple of promotions a la Bournemouth.
No rich history - well we have been a first division team and we have had a lot of promotions, even recently, just a pity we didn't have the consistency of management to stay in the higher division.
Don't have a vast supporter base - we took one of the biggest ever contingents to Wembley, so who knows how many would watch the Cobblers if we had a team that didn't constantly crash back to tier 4.

 ;D Don't wear those glasses when driving...  8)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Pablo69 on November 24, 2020, 18:48:34 pm
Saint Cobbler. Not running us down and no offence intended to you or anyonr but never been in championship and 1 season in the old first division is not impressive. A ground that only  holds 7000 and no FA cup wins etc in the past like Preston Blackpool, etc does not imho give us a rich history to enable us to compete for a championship standard manager.
KC is about our level and the best we can get...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 24, 2020, 21:00:02 pm
Get this clown out the club.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 24, 2020, 21:36:24 pm
Saint Cobbler. Not running us down and no offence intended to you or anyonr but never been in championship and 1 season in the old first division is not impressive. A ground that only  holds 7000 and no FA cup wins etc in the past like Preston Blackpool, etc does not imho give us a rich history to enable us to compete for a championship standard manager.
KC is about our level and the best we can get...


We have some decent history in what is now the championship(3 seasons) and one year in the old 1st Div when it was filled by players like Charlton x 2, Ball, Vernon, Moore, Bell , Hurst, Lee, Bell, etc. In the past we beat Arsenal in the Cup. Somewhat unlucky to be relegated on 31pts too; just that flukey win by Fulham which did for us. I feel generally we can hold our heads high with most/some clubs. Clubs like Posh, WW and Rotheram have done bugger all


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: the grumpy old man on November 24, 2020, 21:57:10 pm
We have some decent history in what is now the championship(3 seasons) and one year in the old 1st Div when it was filled by players like Charlton x 2, Ball, Vernon, Moore, Bell , Hurst, Lee, Bell, etc. In the past we beat Arsenal in the Cup. Somewhat unlucky to be relegated on 31pts too; just that flukey win by Fulham which did for us. I feel generally we can hold our heads high with most/some clubs. Clubs like Posh, WW and Rotheram have done bugger all

If you mean Colin Bell and Francis Lee we did not play against either of them when we had our 1 year in Division 1 as Man City were in Division 2 at the time. We did play against the likes of Law, Best, Greaves and Peters though just to name a few. Another good player in those days was Phil Woosnam who played for Aston Villa, the only team we did the double over.

No idea who Vernon is.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on November 24, 2020, 21:59:53 pm
Perhaps Mysterious if you think the manager is a clown you should change your name to Mysterious Clown.
This is the clown that turned the ship around 2 seasons ago after we had taken 7 points from the first 10 games. This is the clown that got us promoted last season. This is the clown that took us on a FA Cup run that brought in £750,000. This is the clown that spotted Charlie Goode, who could not hold down a place at Sc***horpe, and developed him into a player that we sold for £1 to £1.5 million. Don't you just love clowns?.  


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 24, 2020, 22:10:59 pm
Perhaps Mysterious if you think the manager is a clown you should change your name to Mysterious Clown.
This is the clown that turned the ship around 2 seasons ago after we had taken 7 points from the first 10 games. This is the clown that got us promoted last season. This is the clown that took us on a FA Cup run that brought in £750,000. This is the clown that spotted Charlie Goode, who could not hold down a place at Sc***horpe, and developed him into a player that we sold for £1 to £1.5 million. Don't you just love clowns?.  
You seem to know a lot about clowns?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Air-Dan on November 24, 2020, 22:15:04 pm
We're not currently in the relegation zone.

Staying up this season is success. What do people expect?

A change of manager could easily backfire in our current position.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 24, 2020, 22:28:46 pm
If you mean Colin Bell and Francis Lee we did not play against either of them when we had our 1 year in Division 1 as Man City were in Division 2 at the time. We did play against the likes of Law, Best, Greaves and Peters though just to name a few. Another good player in those days was Phil Woosnam who played for Aston Villa, the only team we did the double over.

No idea who Vernon is.

Roy Vernon

Gifted inside forward with Stoke City - saw him play at Stoke City when we were beaten 5-1. He stood out that day sheer class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Vernon


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 24, 2020, 22:32:01 pm
1 defeat in 5 league games yielding 8 points is the sort of consistency we need. Would have liked it to be 10 but after the poor run prior, albeit against the better sides that return is acceptable. A weekend off will do them good before back to back home games with the possibility of some fans in the ground.
It's good to be patient sometimes.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 24, 2020, 22:51:46 pm
We're not currently in the relegation zone.

Staying up this season is success. What do people expect?

A change of manager could easily backfire in our current position.

That kind of thinking is beyond quite a few on here? After today's result, some could not restrain themselves. Rochdale looked and played like a team which was far better than poor old Burton! My prediction was a draw and it was certainly a hard-earned point to gain. For me hats off to the defence for Mitchell had,as far as I can remember only had to make one decent save other than the goal.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: the grumpy old man on November 24, 2020, 22:54:47 pm
Roy Vernon

Gifted inside forward with Stoke City - saw him play at Stoke City when we were beaten 5-1. He stood out that day sheer class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Vernon

Yes remember him now. Brian Douglas of Blackburn was another good player in those days.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 24, 2020, 23:07:56 pm
Yes remember him now. Brian Douglas of Blackburn was another good player in those days.

Roy Vernon and Alex Young played for Everton when they won the title.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 25, 2020, 09:42:38 am
Perhaps Mysterious if you think the manager is a clown you should change your name to Mysterious Clown.
This is the clown that turned the ship around 2 seasons ago after we had taken 7 points from the first 10 games. This is the clown that got us promoted last season. This is the clown that took us on a FA Cup run that brought in £750,000. This is the clown that spotted Charlie Goode, who could not hold down a place at Sc***horpe, and developed him into a player that we sold for £1 to £1.5 million. Don't you just love clowns?.  

I would love to but unfortunately the mods have put a block on changing names!

Fingers crossed the username will be irrelevant in the next couple of weeks when he finally gets the boot.

I'm still trying to work out what it was I watched last night. It certainly wasn't football, and largely mirrored the FA cup tie and Oxford City. One side looked to use the ball and play, the other, totally inept camped out on the edge of their own box, getting deeper and deeper whilst praying for the final whistle. That was the case for about 60 minutes last night and about 70 minutes at Oxford City.

It isn't football and whatever it is it's not enjoyable.

Every game we seem to impose ourselves for a 10 minute period then sit back like its an FA Cup game v top flight opposition. It may have something to do with the fact our three main outlets (Adams, Marshall and Holmes) have a combined age of 100, who knows!?

Luckily I don't pay to watch Ifollow, but if I did I would have given up a long time ago.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 25, 2020, 12:42:04 pm
I would love to but unfortunately the mods have put a block on changing names!

Fingers crossed the username will be irrelevant in the next couple of weeks when he finally gets the boot.

I'm still trying to work out what it was I watched last night. It certainly wasn't football, and largely mirrored the FA cup tie and Oxford City. One side looked to use the ball and play, the other, totally inept camped out on the edge of their own box, getting deeper and deeper whilst praying for the final whistle. That was the case for about 60 minutes last night and about 70 minutes at Oxford City.

It isn't football and whatever it is it's not enjoyable.

Every game we seem to impose ourselves for a 10 minute period then sit back like its an FA Cup game v top flight opposition. It may have something to do with the fact our three main outlets (Adams, Marshall and Holmes) have a combined age of 100, who knows!?

Luckily I don't pay to watch Ifollow, but if I did I would have given up a long time ago.
+1.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 25, 2020, 13:00:16 pm
I would love to but unfortunately the mods have put a block on changing names!

Fingers crossed the username will be irrelevant in the next couple of weeks when he finally gets the boot.

I'm still trying to work out what it was I watched last night. It certainly wasn't football, and largely mirrored the FA cup tie and Oxford City. One side looked to use the ball and play, the other, totally inept camped out on the edge of their own box, getting deeper and deeper whilst praying for the final whistle. That was the case for about 60 minutes last night and about 70 minutes at Oxford City.

It isn't football and whatever it is it's not enjoyable.

Every game we seem to impose ourselves for a 10 minute period then sit back like its an FA Cup game v top flight opposition. It may have something to do with the fact our three main outlets (Adams, Marshall and Holmes) have a combined age of 100, who knows!?

Luckily I don't pay to watch Ifollow, but if I did I would have given up a long time ago.

Be interesting to learn of your former IDís as you are so full of jaundiced views on KC and players.
If you feel so wronged by KC and his methods why come on here with the same repetitive mantra? You have made your point so many times. The point earned last night was welcomed by most on here. Rochdale were far better than Burton and when Holmes and McW went off, most offensive ability went with them. It is understandable to criticize some of KC tactics even welcome. However whatever tactic is used you issue your disapproval sometimes with personal almost shameful opinions of KC. Can you inform us of your true allegiance to NTFC and the reasons behind your baleful views. For instance is it a view endorsed and supported by others or a personal view only?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on November 25, 2020, 13:00:21 pm
Yes I do know a lot about clowns, there is one that replies to most of my posts.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Charlatan on November 25, 2020, 13:36:17 pm
It was a good point last night, but lets face if we'd have seen the game out and won 0-1 there still would have moaning on here.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on November 25, 2020, 13:42:11 pm
Be interesting to learn of your former IDís as you are so full of jaundiced views on KC and players.
If you feel so wronged by KC and his methods why come on here with the same repetitive mantra? You have made your point so many times. The point earned last night was welcomed by most on here. Rochdale were far better than Burton and when Holmes and McW went off, most offensive ability went with them. It is understandable to criticize some of KC tactics even welcome. However whatever tactic is used you issue your disapproval sometimes with personal almost shameful opinions of KC. Can you inform us of your true allegiance to NTFC and the reasons behind your baleful views. For instance is it a view endorsed and supported by others or a personal view only?
But it's his view of things, he IS allowed to have a point of view. Everyone who posts anything you don't agree with gets a lecture, questioning if they are Cobblers fans and accusations of having agenda's.  I doubt if there are any on here who are not Cobblers fans and as Cobblers fans , we all want the best for NTFC, but not everyone has the same views and, really, that's what makes a message board worth reading.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 25, 2020, 15:36:49 pm
But it's his view of things, he IS allowed to have a point of view. Everyone who posts anything you don't agree with gets a lecture, questioning if they are Cobblers fans and accusations of having agenda's.  I doubt if there are any on here who are not Cobblers fans and as Cobblers fans , we all want the best for NTFC, but not everyone has the same views and, really, that's what makes a message board worth reading.

Ok Mr Mod ::)
I too am allowed an opinion and provided it generally conforms to Forum Rules; is Ďall fair in etc Ď ....I apologise that my view does not fully conform to yours ref said poster :o . The difference between our views is that I fully take note and applaud yours. The point of the Forum is to sustain debate; comment and challenge. I take most views with a pinch of salt and hope you do so.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on November 25, 2020, 16:41:45 pm
I would love to but unfortunately the mods have put a block on changing names!

Fingers crossed the username will be irrelevant in the next couple of weeks when he finally gets the boot.

I'm still trying to work out what it was I watched last night. It certainly wasn't football, and largely mirrored the FA cup tie and Oxford City. One side looked to use the ball and play, the other, totally inept camped out on the edge of their own box, getting deeper and deeper whilst praying for the final whistle. That was the case for about 60 minutes last night and about 70 minutes at Oxford City.

It isn't football and whatever it is it's not enjoyable.

Every game we seem to impose ourselves for a 10 minute period then sit back like its an FA Cup game v top flight opposition. It may have something to do with the fact our three main outlets (Adams, Marshall and Holmes) have a combined age of 100, who knows!?

Luckily I don't pay to watch Ifollow, but if I did I would have given up a long time ago.

Question for you. Why did you choose this username in the first place if you don't like the guy? After all you only registered this username on 12th September 2020. Maybe, the fantastic performances in the play-offs persuaded you?

Also, you say "you're still trying to work out what you watched last night" then say you don't pay for I Follow  ??? So, as this game wasn't free for season ticket holders because it was an away game; did you watch it or not?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 25, 2020, 17:01:49 pm
Question for you. Why did you choose this username in the first place if you don't like the guy? After all you only registered this username on 12th September 2020. Maybe, the fantastic performances in the play-offs persuaded you?

Also, you say "you're still trying to work out what you watched last night" then say you don't pay for I Follow  ??? So, as this game wasn't free for season ticket holders because it was an away game; did you watch it or not?


Decent well made challenge- good stuff Teacher Man!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on November 25, 2020, 17:11:06 pm
It would have thought it obvious. Dad pays the IFollow bill and he fcuked up. Like the bloke with a dog called lucky who gets runs over.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 25, 2020, 17:39:45 pm
Ok Mr Mod ::)
I too am allowed an opinion and provided it generally conforms to Forum Rules; is Ďall fair in etc Ď ....I apologise that my view does not fully conform to yours ref said poster :o . The difference between our views is that I fully take note and applaud yours. The point of the Forum is to sustain debate; comment and challenge. I take most views with a pinch of salt and hope you do so.


Quite a Mother Theresa aren't you?
It would be quite helpful if you could practice the preaching of your last two sentences and allow others to do the same without your condescending comments.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 25, 2020, 19:53:31 pm
Question for you. Why did you choose this username in the first place if you don't like the guy? After all you only registered this username on 12th September 2020. Maybe, the fantastic performances in the play-offs persuaded you?

Also, you say "you're still trying to work out what you watched last night" then say you don't pay for I Follow  ??? So, as this game wasn't free for season ticket holders because it was an away game; did you watch it or not?


Unfortunately I was left with very few options, Teachers Pet and Neverbrite were taken!

To confirm, I watched it last night and donít pay for Ifollow. Hope that helps.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on November 25, 2020, 20:02:14 pm
Unfortunately I was left with very few options, Teachers Pet and Neverbrite were taken!

To confirm, I watched it last night and donít pay for Ifollow. Hope that helps.

Yes, not many options. Just name yourself after someone you constantly moan about, win, lose or draw. Very clever  ::)

   


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 25, 2020, 20:03:49 pm
Yes, not many options. Just name yourself after someone you constantly moan about, win, lose or draw. Very clever  ::)

   

I like youíre logic. On that basis youíll be naming yourself after me soon.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on November 25, 2020, 20:06:49 pm
I like youíre logic. On that basis youíll be naming yourself after me soon.

 ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: bungle on November 28, 2020, 09:20:12 am
All things considered, I honestly think that Curle is doing a decent job. He arguably overachieved last year by delivering promotion and raking in substantial funds from the sale of Goode and the cup run. This year is about managing expectations. Here's what I would say are realistic targets:

Minimum expectation: stay in the league
Medium expectation: finish mid table and evolve the playing style - less hoofball, more passing. Develop the youngsters. Have a cup run.
Wildest dreams: sneak into the play-offs.

We currently sit 16th in the league. I would say that our performances in our 'mini-survival' league suggest that we are capable of surviving at this level, which would be an achievement in itself.

I would also argue that Keith is gradually learning that overly-direct football produces limited success at this level. He is starting slowly to mix it up a bit and incorporate a bit more passing; the introduction of Holmes has added some much-needed guile in midfield. It is also pleasing to see youngsters like Chucks and McWilliams getting some game time and development.


The style of play is still rarely easy on the eye. However, I'm not sure I would enjoy watching the ineffective tikka taka pass-to-death-before-powder-puff-finish approach of MK Dongs or Rochdale any more than I enjoy watching us. I think the best teams at this level know how to mix it up and combine direct play and crisp passing in order to pose a more unpredictable threat.

The main disappointments so far have been the FA Cup debacle, which was caused by an arrogant team selection, and the performance of the defence (we have conceded 23 goals, the third highest number in the division.) However, Curle has taken some positive steps to address this issue by signing Sheehan and we look a lot more solid with McWilliams screening the back three from midfield. I also actually think Bolger is better than people give him credit for.

Aside from Wilder and Stuart Gray, I would struggle to name many of our previous incumbents over the last 20-odd years who have done a more effective job than Keith. I can name a huge raft of managers who have been a damn sight worse, and I think people who call for his head should be extremely careful what they wish for. The big question for me is now: can he consolidate our status in this league for more than two seasons (something we've consistently failed to do over the last 30 years)? And: can he evolve the playing style into something a bit more sophisticated? Time will tell, but he's more than earned a sustained crack at it IMO.






 


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Winslow Lee on November 28, 2020, 10:05:35 am
The big question for me is now: can he consolidate our status in this league for more than two seasons (something we've consistently failed to do over the last 30 years)? And: can he evolve the playing style into something a bit more sophisticated? Time will tell, but he's more than earned a sustained crack at it IMO.

I tend to agree with that through an unexpected promotion it almost feels like a free swing at league one this year and so I would give KC till at least the end of the year unless we get massively cut adrift.
Last year was a weird one, some great recruitment but some baffling team selections and substitutions. KC seemed unable to stop tinkering so often to the detriment of the team.
This year is very different, some poor recruitment and in my opinion one of the worst squads in the division but results if not performances have been a lot better than Iíve expected, so fair play to the players and manager for where we are right now. If we can stay up and regroup again then that will be an achievement.

 


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 28, 2020, 10:32:46 am
All things considered, I honestly think that Curle is doing a decent job. He arguably overachieved last year by delivering promotion and raking in substantial funds from the sale of Goode and the cup run. This year is about managing expectations. Here's what I would say are realistic targets:

Minimum expectation: stay in the league
Medium expectation: finish mid table and evolve the playing style - less hoofball, more passing. Develop the youngsters. Have a cup run.
Wildest dreams: sneak into the play-offs.

We currently sit 16th in the league. I would say that our performances in our 'mini-survival' league suggest that we are capable of surviving at this level, which would be an achievement in itself.

I would also argue that Keith is gradually learning that overly-direct football produces limited success at this level. He is starting slowly to mix it up a bit and incorporate a bit more passing; the introduction of Holmes has added some much-needed guile in midfield. It is also pleasing to see youngsters like Chucks and McWilliams getting some game time and development.


The style of play is still rarely easy on the eye. However, I'm not sure I would enjoy watching the ineffective tikka taka pass-to-death-before-powder-puff-finish approach of MK Dongs or Rochdale any more than I enjoy watching us. I think the best teams at this level know how to mix it up and combine direct play and crisp passing in order to pose a more unpredictable threat.

The main disappointments so far have been the FA Cup debacle, which was caused by an arrogant team selection, and the performance of the defence (we have conceded 23 goals, the third highest number in the division.) However, Curle has taken some positive steps to address this issue by signing Sheehan and we look a lot more solid with McWilliams screening the back three from midfield. I also actually think Bolger is better than people give him credit for.

Aside from Wilder and Stuart Gray, I would struggle to name many of our previous incumbents over the last 20-odd years who have done a more effective job than Keith. I can name a huge raft of managers who have been a damn sight worse, and I think people who call for his head should be extremely careful what they wish for. The big question for me is now: can he consolidate our status in this league for more than two seasons (something we've consistently failed to do over the last 30 years)? And: can he evolve the playing style into something a bit more sophisticated? Time will tell, but he's more than earned a sustained crack at it IMO.


Like this... ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on November 28, 2020, 15:24:45 pm
All things considered, I honestly think that Curle is doing a decent job. He arguably overachieved last year by delivering promotion and raking in substantial funds from the sale of Goode and the cup run. This year is about managing expectations. Here's what I would say are realistic targets:

Minimum expectation: stay in the league
Medium expectation: finish mid table and evolve the playing style - less hoofball, more passing. Develop the youngsters. Have a cup run.
Wildest dreams: sneak into the play-offs.

We currently sit 16th in the league. I would say that our performances in our 'mini-survival' league suggest that we are capable of surviving at this level, which would be an achievement in itself.

I would also argue that Keith is gradually learning that overly-direct football produces limited success at this level. He is starting slowly to mix it up a bit and incorporate a bit more passing; the introduction of Holmes has added some much-needed guile in midfield. It is also pleasing to see youngsters like Chucks and McWilliams getting some game time and development.


The style of play is still rarely easy on the eye. However, I'm not sure I would enjoy watching the ineffective tikka taka pass-to-death-before-powder-puff-finish approach of MK Dongs or Rochdale any more than I enjoy watching us. I think the best teams at this level know how to mix it up and combine direct play and crisp passing in order to pose a more unpredictable threat.

The main disappointments so far have been the FA Cup debacle, which was caused by an arrogant team selection, and the performance of the defence (we have conceded 23 goals, the third highest number in the division.) However, Curle has taken some positive steps to address this issue by signing Sheehan and we look a lot more solid with McWilliams screening the back three from midfield. I also actually think Bolger is better than people give him credit for.

Aside from Wilder and Stuart Gray, I would struggle to name many of our previous incumbents over the last 20-odd years who have done a more effective job than Keith. I can name a huge raft of managers who have been a damn sight worse, and I think people who call for his head should be extremely careful what they wish for. The big question for me is now: can he consolidate our status in this league for more than two seasons (something we've consistently failed to do over the last 30 years)? And: can he evolve the playing style into something a bit more sophisticated? Time will tell, but he's more than earned a sustained crack at it IMO.






 

I wouldn't argue with any of that  8)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on November 28, 2020, 16:29:03 pm
My minimum and medium expectations are to stay in this league.
My wildest dream is to finish mid table and evolve the playing style - less hoofball, more passing.
I seem to remember each time we got relegated from league one it was accompanied by a decent cup run so I'm not worried about that at all.
Every fan wants their team to develop home grown talent and that's perfectly natural but we've got to accept the best of the local youth are bound to be snapped up early by bigger fish. I agree it's important to keep a decent youth set up and not to worry if it doesn't produce the next Ivan Toney, it's a really good thing to do for the community in itself.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 28, 2020, 21:14:35 pm
All things considered, I honestly think that Curle is doing a decent job. He arguably overachieved last year by delivering promotion and raking in substantial funds from the sale of Goode and the cup run. This year is about managing expectations. Here's what I would say are realistic targets:

Minimum expectation: stay in the league
Medium expectation: finish mid table and evolve the playing style - less hoofball, more passing. Develop the youngsters. Have a cup run.
Wildest dreams: sneak into the play-offs.

We currently sit 16th in the league. I would say that our performances in our 'mini-survival' league suggest that we are capable of surviving at this level, which would be an achievement in itself.

I would also argue that Keith is gradually learning that overly-direct football produces limited success at this level. He is starting slowly to mix it up a bit and incorporate a bit more passing; the introduction of Holmes has added some much-needed guile in midfield. It is also pleasing to see youngsters like Chucks and McWilliams getting some game time and development.


The style of play is still rarely easy on the eye. However, I'm not sure I would enjoy watching the ineffective tikka taka pass-to-death-before-powder-puff-finish approach of MK Dongs or Rochdale any more than I enjoy watching us. I think the best teams at this level know how to mix it up and combine direct play and crisp passing in order to pose a more unpredictable threat.

The main disappointments so far have been the FA Cup debacle, which was caused by an arrogant team selection, and the performance of the defence (we have conceded 23 goals, the third highest number in the division.) However, Curle has taken some positive steps to address this issue by signing Sheehan and we look a lot more solid with McWilliams screening the back three from midfield. I also actually think Bolger is better than people give him credit for.

Aside from Wilder and Stuart Gray, I would struggle to name many of our previous incumbents over the last 20-odd years who have done a more effective job than Keith. I can name a huge raft of managers who have been a damn sight worse, and I think people who call for his head should be extremely careful what they wish for. The big question for me is now: can he consolidate our status in this league for more than two seasons (something we've consistently failed to do over the last 30 years)? And: can he evolve the playing style into something a bit more sophisticated? Time will tell, but he's more than earned a sustained crack at it IMO.






 

Well said 👍👍


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 28, 2020, 22:02:21 pm
Well said 👍👍

Agree with Bungle's somewhat eloquent essay. I do not have the equally eloquent desire of some on here to revert to a 'fancy Dan' style but a hanker after more direct style. We need at least one capable striker able to score, hold the ball/pass it; plus a midfielder to suit. The defence is beginning to settle as are the wing-backs. Would say that a side which is picked consistently will start to play more convincingly as time goes by. What I like is that we have been written off by the experts, friend and foe in equal measures so would love to stuff it up them!
 


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 29, 2020, 08:37:14 am
Agree with Bungle's somewhat eloquent essay. I do not have the equally eloquent desire of some on here to revert to a 'fancy Dan' style but a hanker after more direct style. We need at least one capable striker able to score, hold the ball/pass it; plus a midfielder to suit. The defence is beginning to settle as are the wing-backs. Would say that a side which is picked consistently will start to play more convincingly as time goes by. What I like is that we have been written off by the experts, friend and foe in equal measures so would love to stuff it up them!
 

In terms of the personnel, if you disregard the know it alls like Shoey, we are all left with what can only amount to guess work around the budget and Curles choices. For me (guessing) it looks like he is trying to assemble a squad with a bit of a siege mentally. Only he knows why he is employing some of the more agricultural methods he is to get a tune out of the squad. Perhaps he does so off the back of what your last sentence states. That we were written off before we started. Often that can inspire a team.

We know that Curle has it within him to play attractive football. At this point I am cautiously optimistic about his ability to keep us up. If he does so, I am more than convinced that he will improve next season.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Grove on November 29, 2020, 09:35:05 am
I currently work every other weekend, i bought a season ticket knowing this on the chance that when i did get to go id see some decent football having stepped up a league. Alas im not a happy clapper ,the quality is dire , averaging about 30-35% possession per game. and cant pass for toffee, luckily we have the return of holmes and McWilliams, that ,as i can see is our only hope of staying up. lose them we are in big trouble. Given that we are not getting our moneys worth as supporters with the dire i follow coverage , there is no chance i shall be renewing my season ticket next season if Curle is still here.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on November 29, 2020, 09:51:35 am
All things considered, I honestly think that Curle is doing a decent job. He arguably overachieved last year by delivering promotion and raking in substantial funds from the sale of Goode and the cup run. This year is about managing expectations. Here's what I would say are realistic targets:

Minimum expectation: stay in the league
Medium expectation: finish mid table and evolve the playing style - less hoofball, more passing. Develop the youngsters. Have a cup run.
Wildest dreams: sneak into the play-offs.

We currently sit 16th in the league. I would say that our performances in our 'mini-survival' league suggest that we are capable of surviving at this level, which would be an achievement in itself.

I would also argue that Keith is gradually learning that overly-direct football produces limited success at this level. He is starting slowly to mix it up a bit and incorporate a bit more passing; the introduction of Holmes has added some much-needed guile in midfield. It is also pleasing to see youngsters like Chucks and McWilliams getting some game time and development.


The style of play is still rarely easy on the eye. However, I'm not sure I would enjoy watching the ineffective tikka taka pass-to-death-before-powder-puff-finish approach of MK Dongs or Rochdale any more than I enjoy watching us. I think the best teams at this level know how to mix it up and combine direct play and crisp passing in order to pose a more unpredictable threat.

The main disappointments so far have been the FA Cup debacle, which was caused by an arrogant team selection, and the performance of the defence (we have conceded 23 goals, the third highest number in the division.) However, Curle has taken some positive steps to address this issue by signing Sheehan and we look a lot more solid with McWilliams screening the back three from midfield. I also actually think Bolger is better than people give him credit for.

Aside from Wilder and Stuart Gray, I would struggle to name many of our previous incumbents over the last 20-odd years who have done a more effective job than Keith. I can name a huge raft of managers who have been a damn sight worse, and I think people who call for his head should be extremely careful what they wish for. The big question for me is now: can he consolidate our status in this league for more than two seasons (something we've consistently failed to do over the last 30 years)? And: can he evolve the playing style into something a bit more sophisticated? Time will tell, but he's more than earned a sustained crack at it IMO.


Great post. Agree with all of this.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 29, 2020, 10:16:05 am
I currently work every other weekend, i bought a season ticket knowing this on the chance that when i did get to go id see some decent football having stepped up a league. Alas im not a happy clapper ,the quality is dire , averaging about 30-35% possession per game. and cant pass for toffee, luckily we have the return of holmes and McWilliams, that ,as i can see is our only hope of staying up. lose them we are in big trouble. Given that we are not getting our moneys worth as supporters with the dire i follow coverage , there is no chance i shall be renewing my season ticket next season if Curle is still here.

 ;D ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 29, 2020, 10:33:19 am
All things considered, I honestly think that Curle is doing a decent job. He arguably overachieved last year by delivering promotion and raking in substantial funds from the sale of Goode and the cup run. This year is about managing expectations. Here's what I would say are realistic targets:

Minimum expectation: stay in the league
Medium expectation: finish mid table and evolve the playing style - less hoofball, more passing. Develop the youngsters. Have a cup run.
Wildest dreams: sneak into the play-offs.

We currently sit 16th in the league. I would say that our performances in our 'mini-survival' league suggest that we are capable of surviving at this level, which would be an achievement in itself.

I would also argue that Keith is gradually learning that overly-direct football produces limited success at this level. He is starting slowly to mix it up a bit and incorporate a bit more passing; the introduction of Holmes has added some much-needed guile in midfield. It is also pleasing to see youngsters like Chucks and McWilliams getting some game time and development.


The style of play is still rarely easy on the eye. However, I'm not sure I would enjoy watching the ineffective tikka taka pass-to-death-before-powder-puff-finish approach of MK Dongs or Rochdale any more than I enjoy watching us. I think the best teams at this level know how to mix it up and combine direct play and crisp passing in order to pose a more unpredictable threat.

The main disappointments so far have been the FA Cup debacle, which was caused by an arrogant team selection, and the performance of the defence (we have conceded 23 goals, the third highest number in the division.) However, Curle has taken some positive steps to address this issue by signing Sheehan and we look a lot more solid with McWilliams screening the back three from midfield. I also actually think Bolger is better than people give him credit for.

Aside from Wilder and Stuart Gray, I would struggle to name many of our previous incumbents over the last 20-odd years who have done a more effective job than Keith. I can name a huge raft of managers who have been a damn sight worse, and I think people who call for his head should be extremely careful what they wish for. The big question for me is now: can he consolidate our status in this league for more than two seasons (something we've consistently failed to do over the last 30 years)? And: can he evolve the playing style into something a bit more sophisticated? Time will tell, but he's more than earned a sustained crack at it IMO.






 
Good well reasoned post bungle, I have to take issue with a couple of points,
1) when you posted this we were indeed 16th in the league, this as a completely false position as nearly all the teams below us have games in hand and as I write this we are 17th after Swindles win over Poxford, I fully expect us to drop another couple of positions once we have all played the same number of games.
2) if we loose a couple of our key players, Holmes or Sheehan for example we are in deep sh1t, the squad in nowhere near strong enough.
3) to say Curle is doing a decent job is IMO just not correct, the debacle at Oxford City, his bizarre substitutions and the general fitness of the team dropping deeper and deeper second half of games are big question marks for me.
IF KT give Curlio some money to spend in Jan, we need two or three L1 standard players, I think there is a chance we can finish outside of the bottom four, otherwise no chance.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Charlatan on November 29, 2020, 13:57:05 pm
All things considered, I honestly think that Curle is doing a decent job. He arguably overachieved last year by delivering promotion and raking in substantial funds from the sale of Goode and the cup run. This year is about managing expectations. Here's what I would say are realistic targets:

Minimum expectation: stay in the league
Medium expectation: finish mid table and evolve the playing style - less hoofball, more passing. Develop the youngsters. Have a cup run.
Wildest dreams: sneak into the play-offs.

We currently sit 16th in the league. I would say that our performances in our 'mini-survival' league suggest that we are capable of surviving at this level, which would be an achievement in itself.

I would also argue that Keith is gradually learning that overly-direct football produces limited success at this level. He is starting slowly to mix it up a bit and incorporate a bit more passing; the introduction of Holmes has added some much-needed guile in midfield. It is also pleasing to see youngsters like Chucks and McWilliams getting some game time and development.


The style of play is still rarely easy on the eye. However, I'm not sure I would enjoy watching the ineffective tikka taka pass-to-death-before-powder-puff-finish approach of MK Dongs or Rochdale any more than I enjoy watching us. I think the best teams at this level know how to mix it up and combine direct play and crisp passing in order to pose a more unpredictable threat.

The main disappointments so far have been the FA Cup debacle, which was caused by an arrogant team selection, and the performance of the defence (we have conceded 23 goals, the third highest number in the division.) However, Curle has taken some positive steps to address this issue by signing Sheehan and we look a lot more solid with McWilliams screening the back three from midfield. I also actually think Bolger is better than people give him credit for.

Aside from Wilder and Stuart Gray, I would struggle to name many of our previous incumbents over the last 20-odd years who have done a more effective job than Keith. I can name a huge raft of managers who have been a damn sight worse, and I think people who call for his head should be extremely careful what they wish for. The big question for me is now: can he consolidate our status in this league for more than two seasons (something we've consistently failed to do over the last 30 years)? And: can he evolve the playing style into something a bit more sophisticated? Time will tell, but he's more than earned a sustained crack at it IMO.






 
Excellent post Bungle, pleasure to read Sir.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 29, 2020, 13:59:48 pm
Good well reasoned post bungle, I have to take issue with a couple of points,
1) when you posted this we were indeed 16th in the league, this as a completely false position as nearly all the teams below us have games in hand and as I write this we are 17th after Swindles win over Poxford, I fully expect us to drop another couple of positions once we have all played the same number of games.
2) if we loose a couple of our key players, Holmes or Sheehan for example we are in deep sh1t, the squad in nowhere near strong enough.
3) to say Curle is doing a decent job is IMO just not correct, the debacle at Oxford City, his bizarre substitutions and the general fitness of the team dropping deeper and deeper second half of games are big question marks for me.
IF KT give Curlio some money to spend in Jan, we need two or three L1 standard players, I think there is a chance we can finish outside of the bottom four, otherwise no chance.

As much as I want to back Curle. He canít be allowed to get us in a position where relegation is inevitable. If he starts heading that way, he needs to go.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on November 29, 2020, 16:34:40 pm
I think we should stick with him even if we go down.
Good housekeeping is the priority.
Paying someone off if we go down canít be in the financial plans during these challenging times
Loads of posters on here state that just having a club is good enough.
Therefore letís not get fixated on what division we are in and letís stick with Keith  >:D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 29, 2020, 17:28:22 pm
As much as I want to back Curle. He canít be allowed to get us in a position where relegation is inevitable. If he starts heading that way, he needs to go.
I think this will be KTs mindset too mate and itís pretty hard to disagree with.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on November 29, 2020, 19:28:45 pm
I think we should stick with him even if we go down.Noyou don't. >:(
Good housekeeping is the priority.Yes, even if it means losing to non league teams in the cup, not like clubs that speculate to accumulate, like the P*sh >:D
Paying someone off if we go down canít be in the financial plans during these challenging timesTrue :)
Loads of posters on here state that just having a club is good enough.Most posters say survival of the club in the current climate is enough and they would be very happy to survive in League1. :)
Therefore letís not get fixated on what division we are in and letís stick with Keith  >:DAt the moment that's sensible. ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 29, 2020, 21:04:47 pm
My issue with replacing managers has always been the same, a clear plan and strategy regarding who and what comes next? If it was my decision I would like a candidate who has a proven track record of building a squad from scratch at this level. Definitely a promotion or 2 and a use of tactics that promote exciting football. No obvious failures or justified sackings at this level would be preferable with a hunger and desire to succeed? In addition there would need to be a budget to support such an appointment in terms of their salary, length of contract and to develop and mould the squad to achieve the desired result, otherwise whatís the point? On the other hand use the plan most adopt on here which is to kick out the current manager 3 months into a season after a promotion in some knee jerk ill thought out petulant reaction and worry about all that b0ll0ks once theyíve been shown the door? Brilliant!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on November 29, 2020, 21:16:46 pm
I think this will be KTs mindset too mate and itís pretty hard to disagree with.

The manager isn't the problem, it's the money - or lack of. Sacking KC will give the next poor chap even less money for players and the inevitable spiral of decline will continue. It's a miracle Curle got us promoted and it wasn't in the plan, we were supposed to tread water in League 2 while they sorted out the finances.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Winslow Lee on November 29, 2020, 22:49:40 pm
The manager isn't the problem, it's the money - or lack of.

Someone should tell Accrington Stanley, they seem to be doing ok with much less money than we have.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: rodger on November 29, 2020, 23:07:44 pm
Accrington Stanley don't regularly sack managers if we're using them as an example. Current manager is 6 years into his second spell at the club.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on November 30, 2020, 05:27:34 am
Someone should tell Accrington Stanley, they seem to be doing ok with much less money than we have.
For every Accrington there is a dozen Bury, Bolton's.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: andy scouse on November 30, 2020, 08:27:13 am
At long last Bungle's post places a wealth of realism on this site, as usual I keep my powder dry about being positive about KC for fear of the doom mongers letting rip on this site.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on November 30, 2020, 09:12:24 am
For every Accrington there is a dozen Bury, Bolton's.

Strange comparison when Bury have gone and Bolton CC very nearly so?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 30, 2020, 10:35:41 am
My issue with replacing managers has always been the same, a clear plan and strategy regarding who and what comes next? If it was my decision I would like a candidate who has a proven track record of building a squad from scratch at this level. Definitely a promotion or 2 and a use of tactics that promote exciting football. No obvious failures or justified sackings at this level would be preferable with a hunger and desire to succeed? In addition there would need to be a budget to support such an appointment in terms of their salary, length of contract and to develop and mould the squad to achieve the desired result, otherwise whatís the point? On the other hand use the plan most adopt on here which is to kick out the current manager 3 months into a season after a promotion in some knee jerk ill thought out petulant reaction and worry about all that b0ll0ks once theyíve been shown the door? Brilliant!

Keith Curle would have never got near the place had your criteria been used a couple of years ago!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 30, 2020, 13:53:50 pm
Keith Curle would have never got near the place had your criteria been used a couple of years ago!!
There you go, a hypothetical criteria that suits everyone, good ainít it?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: bungle on November 30, 2020, 18:46:33 pm

2) if we loose a couple of our key players, Holmes or Sheehan for example we are in deep sh1t, the squad in nowhere near strong enough.
3) to say Curle is doing a decent job is IMO just not correct, the debacle at Oxford City, his bizarre substitutions and the general fitness of the team dropping deeper and deeper second half of games are big question marks for me.
IF KT give Curlio some money to spend in Jan, we need two or three L1 standard players, I think there is a chance we can finish outside of the bottom four, otherwise no chance.


Interesting points. I agree with you that the depth of the squad is a bit of a concern. I think getting in some decent loanees might be the answer. Curle used the loan market really effectively last year (Wharton and Morton) but for whatever reason he hasn't managed to bring in comparable quality this season (Racic, Nuttall). I think Curle will be well aware of the need for reinforcements, especially in defence and I think we'll see some movement there.





Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on November 30, 2020, 21:13:57 pm

Interesting points. I agree with you that the depth of the squad is a bit of a concern. I think getting in some decent loanees might be the answer. Curle used the loan market really effectively last year (Wharton and Morton) but for whatever reason he hasn't managed to bring in comparable quality this season (Racic, Nuttall). I think Curle will be well aware of the need for reinforcements, especially in defence and I think we'll see some movement there.




Letís hope so mate 👍


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 01, 2020, 21:26:46 pm
I wouldnít be at all surprised if he has purposely churned up the pitch to give an advantage over teams that play proper football the way it should be played .
Moulton school and Covid is probably a convenient excuse


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on December 01, 2020, 22:25:28 pm
I wouldnít be at all surprised if he has purposely churned up the pitch to give an advantage over teams that play proper football the way it should be played .
Moulton school and Covid is probably a convenient excuse

Not necessarily a bad tactic in my opinion. Stop the teams with players that have greater technical ability from being comfortable. Stoke did it for years in the PL and it seemed to work (particularly whenever they played Arsenal).


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 01, 2020, 22:34:47 pm
I wouldnít be at all surprised if he has purposely churned up the pitch to give an advantage over teams that play proper football the way it should be played .
Moulton school and Covid is probably a convenient excuse

Fleetwood hardly had any direct shot on goal which had to be saved. Not sure how you can make an absurd comment that a poor pitch helps. If you have the quality then that is the determining factor. The side which resolutely defends often gets some reward.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on December 02, 2020, 04:59:35 am
The results seem to suggest the pitch hinders rather than helped before last night.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 02, 2020, 07:56:06 am
Fleetwood hardly had any direct shot on goal which had to be saved. Not sure how you can make an absurd comment that a poor pitch helps. If you have the quality then that is the determining factor. The side which resolutely defends often gets some reward.
You seem to be in violent agreement with me .
It stops good sides playing - exactly my point which you say is absurd !
I think Curle has used Covid as an excuse for perpetrating it .


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 02, 2020, 12:57:34 pm
You seem to be in violent agreement with me .
It stops good sides playing - exactly my point which you say is absurd !
I think Curle has used Covid as an excuse for perpetrating it .


Violent !  please refrain :D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: The Hask on December 03, 2020, 12:22:12 pm
This thread should be renamed CURLE IN


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on December 03, 2020, 13:52:34 pm
This thread should be renamed CURLE IN

Curle in, one out ???


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 03, 2020, 14:18:02 pm
Still Curle out for me. Watching this drivel is no pleasure. The only blip of delight is when a goal goes in or any points are gained after 90+ minutes of painful angst.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 03, 2020, 14:44:32 pm
Now that supporters are allowed back into the ground , I am not sure Curle will be able to get away with some of the dross served up at home .
He has admitted himself that the pitch has forced us to play even more directly than before .
Watching is soak up swathes of pressure and hoping to score from a set piece as we sit on the edge of our penalty area, kicking the ball away is simply not acceptable as entertainment.
Keith constantly states everyone buys into what we are trying to do .... well I donít .


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 03, 2020, 15:23:30 pm
Still Curle out for me. Watching this drivel is no pleasure. The only blip of delight is when a goal goes in or any points are gained after 90+ minutes of painful angst.

No point bleating miserably on here all the time. The majority donít share your views.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 03, 2020, 15:25:31 pm
Now that supporters are allowed back into the ground , I am not sure Curle will be able to get away with some of the dross served up at home .
He has admitted himself that the pitch has forced us to play even more directly than before .
Watching is soak up swathes of pressure and hoping to score from a set piece as we sit on the edge of our penalty area, kicking the ball away is simply not acceptable as entertainment.
Keith constantly states everyone buys into what we are trying to do .... well I donít .
And I completely agree. It is dire to watch.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 03, 2020, 15:31:07 pm
No point bleating miserably on here all the time. The majority donít share your views.

'The thing I hate about you, everblite, is the way you give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy bear to Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the rest of your frigid life.'


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Cordwainer2 on December 03, 2020, 15:38:07 pm
The results seem to suggest the pitch hinders rather than helped before last night.
For those who remember the County Ground, this is a bowling green.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on December 03, 2020, 16:00:24 pm
And I completely agree. It is dire to watch.

Not great to watch certainly, but KC has clearly decided that most League 1 teams have more "tecnicians" than we do, meaning that "nullifying" will be the order of the day in most games.

He's probably right, so I'm willing to put up with less entertainment if it helps keep us up this season. However, there needs to be signs of evolution, so that we can mark our mark next season. There's also a difference to me between a defensive mindset and bringing everyone back and just hoofing it clear as soon as we go a goal up. That's exactly what we used to do with Atkins in charge all those years ago and you've got to be very good defensively and very lucky to pull it off - and of course it's painful viewing for the fans.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Zen Master on December 03, 2020, 16:33:29 pm
For those who remember the County Ground, this is a bowling green.

Agreed but also most pitches then were a mud fest by winter with little or no grass in the goals or centre


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Coolcat on December 03, 2020, 16:57:50 pm
'The thing I hate about you, everblite, is the way you give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy bear to Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the rest of your frigid life.'
Now Evers, don't expect me to explain that one!  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 03, 2020, 17:13:58 pm
'The thing I hate about you, everblite, is the way you give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy bear to Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the rest of your frigid life.'
You are really not liked are you Harold?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 03, 2020, 19:38:04 pm
Agreed but also most pitches then were a mud fest by winter with little or no grass in the goals or centre
In my head the pitch was like a putting green, the sun was always shining and the stands were packed with happy smiling fans. Every game was a pulse raising roller coaster of entertainment and our team packed full of players who deserved an international call up? I seem to vaguely remember the odd mishap and moment of frustration somewhere, but thatís all a distant memory now?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 03, 2020, 20:02:25 pm
In my head the pitch was like a putting green, the sun was always shining and the stands were packed with happy smiling fans. Every game was a pulse raising roller coaster of entertainment and our team packed full of players who deserved an international call up? I seem to vaguely remember the odd mishap and moment of frustration somewhere, but that’s all a distant memory now?

You forgot the part where we were winning every game, with promotion nearly every season and relegation or re-election was for other teams?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 03, 2020, 22:14:25 pm
For those who remember the County Ground, this is a bowling green.

I can remember Leyton Orients being one of the worst; ankle deep mud and far worse than the County Ground.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 03, 2020, 22:21:24 pm
And I completely agree. It is dire to watch.

You have been moaning about the Cobblers style of play for years. Reckon you gave up going some time ago but still happy to have a moan.  It's your opinion so it matters!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 03, 2020, 22:34:28 pm
Now Evers, don't expect me to explain that one!  ;D

Love the way he brings Coca Cola and Teddy Bears into a 'debate'. He does like to moan though ...non stop it seems! Technically it is an opinion so fair enough.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on December 04, 2020, 15:09:38 pm
You have been moaning about the Cobblers style of play for years. Reckon you gave up going some time ago but still happy to have a moan.  It's your opinion so it matters!
I don't see why you have to be so critical when others suggest that the Cobblers style of play this and last season is less than pleasing on the eye. I would have thought that was a statement of fact. I actually think that we have quite a few players who are quite useful, it's just that they have been taught to sit back, defend like dogs and hoof.  20-30% possession will not see us winning many games. Perhaps things will 'evolve' over the next 10 games and opinions may change.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 04, 2020, 15:53:16 pm
You have been moaning about the Cobblers style of play for years. Reckon you gave up going some time ago but still happy to have a moan.  It's your opinion so it matters!
Correct. Boothroyd, JFH, and Curly have done it for me. Nice to see that you have gone back to your "you were not there" mantra.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on December 04, 2020, 17:40:48 pm
Correct. Boothroyd, JFH, and Curly have done it for me. Nice to see that you have gone back to your "you were not there" mantra.

And before that it was Johnson, Gray, Calderwood and Fenwick. Has it ever occurred to you that you might be setting the bar a bit high?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 04, 2020, 18:47:33 pm
And before that it was Johnson, Gray, Calderwood and Fenwick. Has it ever occurred to you that you might be setting the bar a bit high?


How dare you name F*nwick in polite company?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 04, 2020, 19:53:53 pm
And before that it was Johnson, Gray, Calderwood and Fenwick. Has it ever occurred to you that you might be setting the bar a bit high?
I actually didnt mind Stuart Gray, until that fiasco culminating at Leeds. He totally lost the plot. And I am now banned from Elland Road.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 05, 2020, 13:30:16 pm
I actually didnt mind Stuart Gray, until that fiasco culminating at Leeds. He totally lost the plot. And I am now banned from Elland Road.

Fair play to you. Iíve tried for the best part of 40+ years to get banned from Elland Road, not succeeded once..


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 05, 2020, 13:54:17 pm
If MK sit top of the possession stats for Europe - does anyone know where we sit ?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 05, 2020, 13:54:56 pm
Fair play to you. Iíve tried for the best part of 40+ years to get banned from Elland Road, not succeeded once..
My relatives are from Huddersfield. Thatís all it takes apparently?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 05, 2020, 14:55:04 pm
Fair play to you. Iíve tried for the best part of 40+ years to get banned from Elland Road, not succeeded once..
It was strange. They allowed me entrance, but then turned me around , and accused me of being drunk. But they never confiscated my ticket. As it was a barcode turnstile, I thought that I would try another entrance. Bingo way in. Make my way towards the away end, and I am surrounded by stewards. Carried away, and filmed by some bloke with a big camera. "Now then petal, dont thee lie to me, how did thee get back in?" No comment. They let me go when the last train back south had left. What they didnt know was, that I was staying in York that weekend, and went for the closest taxi rank. I  flashed the dollars and got a result.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT
Post by: everbrite on December 06, 2020, 09:58:27 am
I don't see why you have to be so critical when others suggest that the Cobblers style of play this and last season is less than pleasing on the eye. I would have thought that was a statement of fact. I actually think that we have quite a few players who are quite useful, it's just that they have been taught to sit back, defend like dogs and hoof.  20-30% possession will not see us winning many games. Perhaps things will 'evolve' over the next 10 games and opinions may change.

Yes it is fact; unfortunately we do not have the players to justify a more expansive game. Holmes in the Championship season is a good example of what is possible. Itís a relatively rare occurrence to have a Holmes or even an Goode in the side. So KC adopts his team to the resources available.  Would advise you to expect several more performances similar to the Fleetwood game. Itís a pity some expect displays which then chronically disappoints, then exhibit woeful disillusioned comments. Some even have a fixation of anti club rhetoric against current management. They may well be correct in their opinion but seem to ignore/blind to the current financial situation. As far as I can remember it has always generally been the case here! Donít see the
point in expressing the same negative comments ad finitum ; perhaps a change of scenery might help you?
Have a good Christmas and be alert!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 06, 2020, 11:53:41 am
Yes it is fact; unfortunately we do not have the players to justify a more expansive game. Holmes in the Championship season is a good example of what is possible. It’s a relatively rare occurrence to have a Holmes or even an Goode in the side. So KC adopts his team to the resources available.  Would advise you to expect several more performances similar to the Fleetwood game. It’s a pity some expect displays which then chronically disappoints, then exhibit woeful disillusioned comments. Some even have a fixation of anti club rhetoric against current management. They may well be correct in their opinion but seem to ignore/blind to the current financial situation. As far as I can remember it has always generally been the case here! Don’t see the
point in expressing the same negative comments ad finitum ; perhaps a change of scenery might help you?
Have a good Christmas and be alert!


Once again. Why do you feel that it is your responsibility to moderate this board and suggest that members have 'a change of scenery?'
Maybe you should take heed of your own advice?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 06, 2020, 13:10:35 pm
Once again. Why do you feel that it is your responsibility to moderate this board and suggest that members have 'a change of scenery?'
Maybe you should take heed of your own advice?

I think you have missed the point as it is not uncommon on here for punters to express similar comments yet receive no admonishment from you. At the end of the day, it is merely my opinion. Unfortunately due to the current polarised views on here regarding KC's playing style those with the loudest shout assume they are right. Anybody who challenges their views is invariably mocked with personal repetitive l comments. I don't feel the necessity, the responsibility, or even the desire to moderate this board at all. Perhaps some of the more extreme recent polarised comments on here are more worthy of your attention. Not everybody shares their views and know enough on here that that is a shared view. Incidentally, my post was in reply to Sainty and not meant as a riposte to all on here::).  Apologies for apparent ambiguity.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on December 06, 2020, 15:49:28 pm
I think you have missed the point as it is not uncommon on here for punters to express similar comments yet receive no admonishment from you. At the end of the day, it is merely my opinion. Unfortunately due to the current polarised views on here regarding KC's playing style those with the loudest shout assume they are right. Anybody who challenges their views is invariably mocked with personal repetitive l comments. I don't feel the necessity, the responsibility, or even the desire to moderate this board at all. Perhaps some of the more extreme recent polarised comments on here are more worthy of your attention. Not everybody shares their views and know enough on here that that is a shared view. Incidentally, my post was in reply to Sainty and not meant as a riposte to all on here::).  Apologies for apparent ambiguity.

This is a forum, the point is that everyone participating feels they are right and/or enlightened and share their thoughts/views/opinions with others.

If the subject matter in-hand generates polarised views, then so be it.

It's called the fine art of discussion/debate.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 06, 2020, 15:54:23 pm
Once again. Why do you feel that it is your responsibility to moderate this board and suggest that members have 'a change of scenery?'
Maybe you should take heed of your own advice?

I think a large number of board members have taken a "change of scenery" due to the postings of some on here.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 06, 2020, 16:15:44 pm
I think you have missed the point as it is not uncommon on here for punters to express similar comments yet receive no admonishment from you. At the end of the day, it is merely my opinion. Unfortunately due to the current polarised views on here regarding KC's playing style those with the loudest shout assume they are right. Anybody who challenges their views is invariably mocked with personal repetitive l comments. I don't feel the necessity, the responsibility, or even the desire to moderate this board at all. Perhaps some of the more extreme recent polarised comments on here are more worthy of your attention. Not everybody shares their views and know enough on here that that is a shared view. Incidentally, my post was in reply to Sainty and not meant as a riposte to all on here::).  Apologies for apparent ambiguity.
;D Cecil gets owned again


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 06, 2020, 16:16:06 pm
Curle out!!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 06, 2020, 16:25:56 pm
This is a forum, the point is that everyone participating feels they are right and/or enlightened and share their thoughts/views/opinions with others.

If the subject matter in-hand generates polarised views, then so be it.

It's called the fine art of discussion/debate.

Thanks for the lecture 8) But your second sentence reveals your misunderstanding of debate. Generally, my view is that you either disagree or agree on a given subject. Some can merely accept the opinions but sooner and later they will agree/disagree on something. If you don't challenge an opinion either way the Forum merely becomes a news media to interested parties. Clearly, you generally(imo) prefer a more passive viewpoint which given the polarity of views on here is commendable.

  



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 06, 2020, 16:29:32 pm
I think a large number of board members have taken a "change of scenery" due to the postings of some on here.

Agreed  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 07, 2020, 14:29:01 pm
Thanks for the lecture 8) But your second sentence reveals your misunderstanding of debate. Generally, my view is that you either disagree or agree on a given subject. Some can merely accept the opinions but sooner and later they will agree/disagree on something. If you don't challenge an opinion either way the Forum merely becomes a news media to interested parties. Clearly, you generally(imo) prefer a more passive viewpoint which given the polarity of views on here is commendable.

  



Out of interest, do you speak or socialise with anyone else on a daily basis other than on this message board?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 07, 2020, 16:36:42 pm
Out of interest, do you speak or socialise with anyone else on a daily basis other than on this message board?
;D ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 07, 2020, 18:13:31 pm
Out of interest, do you speak or socialise with anyone else on a daily basis other than on this message board? Am also a member of various Clubs\Institutions.

What a strange question; of course, have a spread of relatives around the Northampton area including two sons. Like many on here am wary of public gatherings. Am also a member of a few Clubs\Institutions.

How about you - do you socialize publically? Do let me know::)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 07, 2020, 23:16:19 pm
;D Cecil gets owned again

Is this what you mean ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f0_ZZJ1zUw


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on December 08, 2020, 12:43:44 pm
Out of interest, do you speak or socialise with anyone else on a daily basis other than on this message board?
Is the topic 'Curle Out' or 'Evers Out'?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on December 08, 2020, 12:47:46 pm
Possession stats of many teams at the weekend seem to continue to support Curle's line of argument. For example, Spurs had 31% against Arsenal yet were always in control. I still think we need a less error prone defence though to allow us to win many with our lack of possession.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 08, 2020, 13:17:01 pm
Possession stats of many teams at the weekend seem to continue to support Curle's line of argument. For example, Spurs had 31% against Arsenal yet were always in control. I still think we need a less error prone defence though to allow us to win many with our lack of possession.

Yet we had 29% and lost!

Goes to show, its not necessarily about how much possession you have, but what you do with the possession that you have.

Spurs can play the way they do because they break quickly on the counter and have pace and quality players to put away the few chances they create. Then when they haven't got the ball they defend as a team and are solid at the back.......you can hardly compare them with us!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 08, 2020, 15:06:56 pm
Is the topic 'Curle Out' or 'Evers Out'?

 ;D

I think people would miss him if he didn't post on this forum, even if they don't want to admit it  >:D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 08, 2020, 16:52:57 pm
What a strange question; of course, have a spread of relatives around the Northampton area including two sons. Like many on here am wary of public gatherings. Am also a member of a few Clubs\Institutions.

How about you - do you socialize publically? Do let me know::)
Do you still belong to the car club Tony?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 08, 2020, 21:27:46 pm
Do you still belong to the car club Tony?

Mods Mods - Shoey Off Topic!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 08, 2020, 21:31:10 pm
What a strange question; of course, have a spread of relatives around the Northampton area including two sons. Like many on here am wary of public gatherings. Am also a member of a few Clubs\Institutions.

How about you - do you socialize publically? Do let me know::)
Mods mods Tony off topic


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 16:56:42 pm
Get this clown out now.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:58:34 pm
Get this clown out now.

But he got us promoted........ ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 12, 2020, 17:05:08 pm
But he got us promoted........ ;)
Perhaps personally, his biggest mistake!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 12, 2020, 17:24:06 pm
We have very poor owners from a financial viewpoint
No way can they afford to sack Keith
Nor can they afford to strengthen with the required quality
We could have pep in charge and he wouldnít have enough quality to keep us up.

Under the current ownership we can carry on as a mid table league two club with an unfinished ground.

The current ownership are the one constant in our now second attempt to be a league one club and the stand is still as near finished as the last time we were in league one...

I remember Chris wilder saying he was sick to death of looking at the east stand....
Whoíd have believed the current owners have got us to a point when we are still looking at it....

The lack of progression on and off the pitch wasnít down to Rob page
It wasnít down to JFH
It isnít down to Keith curle either....

Itís down to the one constant at the club during these times

Keep KC in place
He could do with a wage , he will be a yes man and tow the line and work to such a piffling budget that causes players to join the likes of Gillingham.
Heís happy with that and no other manager of any standing would work with those constraints.

On top of that he can keep trotting out the good housekeeping line and allow the sheep to swallow it.

Heís the man as far as KT is concerned and itís easy to see why

As fans we should all get behind KC and KT and accept that itís beyond them to help us become a sustainable league one club.

Until such days that we have new owners who can afford to actually run the club at league one level and afford to employ a proper league one manager then the club is yet again in limbo

The current owners cant afford to run the club without extra board members and they wonít want anyone on the board until they have somehow turned a profit on a land deal which looks more like a white elephant every passing day.....

Hardly KCs fault.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 12, 2020, 17:33:27 pm
Get this clown out now.

Even though we won at Exeter on Tuesday!?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 12, 2020, 17:45:31 pm
Even though we won at Exeter on Tuesday!?
You back up my point completely
Able to compete as a league two club
Unable to compete as a league one club

Much more investment is needed in order for us to be competitive as a sustainable league one club.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Knockingonabit on December 12, 2020, 18:01:52 pm
Managers know a considerable amount more about the game than we do but from time to time dig themselves a hole they cannot get out of. Keith is busy digging.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 18:01:59 pm
Even though we won at Exeter on Tuesday!?
;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on December 12, 2020, 18:22:37 pm
You back up my point completely
Able to compete as a league two club
Unable to compete as a league one club

Much more investment is needed in order for us to be competitive as a sustainable league one club.
Who do you know that wants to buy the club or are you just pontificating the same anti NTFC stance every posting?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 18:28:04 pm
Even though we won at Exeter on Tuesday!?

To be fair, Exeter made 9 changes to their previous league line-up, so in effect we were playing a League two reserve team!

It was a win at the end of the day, and you can only beat what's put in front of you!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 12, 2020, 18:33:19 pm
To be fair, Exeter made 9 changes to their previous league line-up, so in effect we were playing a League two reserve team!

It was a win at the end of the day, and you can only beat what's put in front of you!

And of course, we didn't make any changes  ::)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 18:35:27 pm
Of course we did...... so how can you judge that victory against any other game? It was almost two different teams to the norm......


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 12, 2020, 18:42:07 pm
Of course we did...... so how can you judge that victory against any other game? It was almost two different teams to the norm......

You didn't say that in your original post though, did you?

You made the point that Exeter had made the changes but no mention that we did.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 12, 2020, 18:49:44 pm
Who do you know that wants to buy the club or are you just pontificating the same anti NTFC stance every posting?
Rather than moan why not ask KT if he has said that to be a sustainable league one club we need extra investment....

As you have asked I know of a couple of people who could buy the club with their loose change....
I asked one who looked into it....
He said he would willingly buy the club for £1 as long as it was debt free )ie )the current owners would write off all the debt they have amassed during their tenure.

He said he would knock the current stadium down and build a fit for purpose 25,000 seater stadium.
No bulls***.

The chap is worth weíll over £500M

I also know another chap whose wealth dwarfs that....
He is foreign though lives in London.

I know these people through my horse racing ventures.

To put things in perspective one of them has spent £40m on bloodstock this calendar year the other is a multi billionaire.

When things are better and the redevelopment is finished il be happy to attend sixfields again and you can meet me if you wish.
I can even introduce you to one of them.

I donít make statements that I canít back up.

He will have been the most successful businessman to ever step foot in sixfields end of.

One of them actually stated that NTFC are actually a brilliant investment opportunity for someone with the right nous.
However he said in all his business ventures he would never pay an inflated price on the back of others financial decisions ie) you run a business and accrue millions of pounds of debt donít expect me to pay for your bad decisions.

Thatís it in a nutshell.

Oh actually I do know a third...
He is Irish and is going to buy his local GAA team and turn them into a force
He is going to pump a paltry £25M into them as a hobby so I doubt heíd be interested in the cobblers!!

In fairness you chose the right person to ask !!! ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 12, 2020, 19:26:11 pm
Rather than moan why not ask KT if he has said that to be a sustainable league one club we need extra investment....

As you have asked I know of a couple of people who could buy the club with their loose change....
I asked one who looked into it....
He said he would willingly buy the club for £1 as long as it was debt free )ie )the current owners would write off all the debt they have amassed during their tenure.

He said he would knock the current stadium down and build a fit for purpose 25,000 seater stadium.
No bulls***.

The chap is worth weíll over £500M

I also know another chap whose wealth dwarfs that....
He is foreign though lives in London.

I know these people through my horse racing ventures.

To put things in perspective one of them has spent £40m on bloodstock this calendar year the other is a multi billionaire.

When things are better and the redevelopment is finished il be happy to attend sixfields again and you can meet me if you wish.
I can even introduce you to one of them.

I donít make statements that I canít back up.

He will have been the most successful businessman to ever step foot in sixfields end of.

One of them actually stated that NTFC are actually a brilliant investment opportunity for someone with the right nous.
However he said in all his business ventures he would never pay an inflated price on the back of others financial decisions ie) you run a business and accrue millions of pounds of debt donít expect me to pay for your bad decisions.

Thatís it in a nutshell.

Oh actually I do know a third...
He is Irish and is going to buy his local GAA team and turn them into a force
He is going to pump a paltry £25M into them as a hobby so I doubt heíd be interested in the cobblers!!

In fairness you chose the right person to ask !!! ;)
I also know millionaires. Two brothers that I have been working for in central London. And their father is a billionaire. But their interest is in property renovation. Not football. So, now that I have trumped you, where are we going to play when your boys demolish Sixfields ? ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Winslow Lee on December 12, 2020, 19:33:46 pm
Somebody should tell the likes of Accrington, Crewe and AFC Wimbledon that they donít have the finances to be where they are in league one at the moment and would they mind dropping down the league as itís not possible to be where they are with players on the wages they pay.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on December 12, 2020, 19:41:14 pm
Somebody should tell the likes of Accrington, Crewe and AFC Wimbledon that they donít have the finances to be where they are in league one at the moment and would they mind dropping down the league as itís not possible to be where they are with players on the wages they pay.


Unfortunatley this is not Lake Wobegon and we can't all be above average.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 12, 2020, 19:41:53 pm
I also know millionaires. Two brothers that I have been working for in central London. And their father is a billionaire. But their interest is in property renovation. Not football. So, now that I have trumped you, where are we going to play when your boys demolish Sixfields ? ;D

I know a guy who owns a mobile home in Cromer.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 12, 2020, 20:00:23 pm
I know a guy who owns a mobile home in Cromer.
But did he go away for the weekend, smoke something funny, and come back on Monday and say that he wants a swimming pool on the roof?  That took us six months to underpin the building, and put in the steel supports. He didnt care. More money than sense.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 12, 2020, 20:02:52 pm
But did he go away for the weekend, smoke something funny, and come back on Monday and say that he wants a swimming pool on the roof?  That took us six months to underpin the building, and put in the steel supports. He didnt care. More money than sense.

You know him too?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 12, 2020, 20:14:49 pm


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 20:15:42 pm
Back end of last season and then this season....

24 League games (since the Derby FA Cup Replay defeat)........7 wins......3 draws.....14 defeats......25 goals scored.....36 goals conceded



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: JohnWally on December 12, 2020, 20:24:59 pm
I'll drive him wherever he wants to go. Fed up beyond words now. 20 odd % possession every week with an average L2 team in L1. Even the most claret tinted spectacle wearers ( of which I have been one for years ) cannot continue to put up with KC'S deluded defensive mentality.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on December 12, 2020, 21:19:19 pm
I agree that KCís brand of football is dull but I just donít see how the current level of relegation danger is greater than the risk of getting a new manager in. Yes itís difficult to watch and I for one do not agree with the tactics from todayís game but when KC took this job itís likely he would have been tasked with getting us promoted and then keeping us in league one. He successfully achieved part one in his first full season. This season has been a struggle (as we all expected it would be) but itís not as if weíre at the foot of the table and 6 points adrift. Weíre not even currently in the relegation zone. At the start of the season a lot of us would have been happy with just surviving this year. Weíre over a third of the way into the season and whist it hasnít been the easiest watch, we are managing to keep our head above water.

Would it be nice to see more entertaining football? Absolutely. Would I prefer to see different tactics? Yes. But despite this, sacking KC now would be very harsh, nonsensical and ultimately a risk which I do not believe is necessary for us to take at this stage.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 21:24:49 pm
I agree that KCís brand of football is dull but I just donít see how the current level of relegation danger is greater than the risk of getting a new manager in. Yes itís difficult to watch and I for one do not agree with the tactics from todayís game but when KC took this job itís likely he would have been tasked with getting us promoted and then keeping us in league one. He successfully achieved part one in his first full season. This season has been a struggle (as we all expected it would be) but itís not as if weíre at the foot of the table and 6 points adrift. Weíre not even currently in the relegation zone. At the start of the season a lot of us would have been happy with just surviving this year. Weíre over a third of the way into the season and whist it hasnít been the easiest watch, we are managing to keep our head above water.

Would it be nice to see more entertaining football? Absolutely. Would I prefer to see different tactics? Yes. But despite this, sacking KC now would be very harsh, nonsensical and ultimately a risk which I do not believe is necessary for us to take at this stage.

Serious question CC......

Do you think the situation would be any different if we were getting 6000-7000 home crowds and upwards of 1000 travelling away from home? Would the pressure from the stands after performances like we are turning in make a difference?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 21:30:39 pm
I agree that KCís brand of football is dull but I just donít see how the current level of relegation danger is greater than the risk of getting a new manager in. Yes itís difficult to watch and I for one do not agree with the tactics from todayís game but when KC took this job itís likely he would have been tasked with getting us promoted and then keeping us in league one. He successfully achieved part one in his first full season. This season has been a struggle (as we all expected it would be) but itís not as if weíre at the foot of the table and 6 points adrift. Weíre not even currently in the relegation zone. At the start of the season a lot of us would have been happy with just surviving this year. Weíre over a third of the way into the season and whist it hasnít been the easiest watch, we are managing to keep our head above water.

Would it be nice to see more entertaining football? Absolutely. Would I prefer to see different tactics? Yes. But despite this, sacking KC now would be very harsh, nonsensical and ultimately a risk which I do not believe is necessary for us to take at this stage.
How the fcuk is want Curle out ďnonsensical ď 😂


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on December 12, 2020, 21:48:33 pm
Serious question CC......

Do you think the situation would be any different if we were getting 6000-7000 home crowds and upwards of 1000 travelling away from home? Would the pressure from the stands after performances like we are turning in make a difference?

It would certainly add more pressure on KC for sure. I do believe the fact that the majority of this season has been played behind closed doors means he has been able to play a more negative style. Maybe when more of us are back in he will be forced to be more positive in games. I still donít think having a packed stadium would change things from Kelvin Thomasí view though. It is very likely he will have said to KC this year Ďjust keep us in the divisioní. Based on where we sit today, I think KT will still be confident that KC can hit that target.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 21:55:42 pm
It would certainly add more pressure on KC for sure. I do believe the fact that the majority of this season has been played behind closed doors means he has been able to play a more negative style. Maybe when more of us are back in he will be forced to be more positive in games. I still donít think having a packed stadium would change things from Kelvin Thomasí view though. It is very likely he will have said to KC this year Ďjust keep us in the divisioní. Based on where we sit today, I think KT will still be confident that KC can hit that target.

Fair comment.....not so sure about what KT might have said to KC though....KT in the press kept going on about a competitive budget, made reference to Wycombe on more than one occasion, "if they can do it why can't we?"..... would be pretty negative just to hope for 20th this season.....in my opinion of course.

We're 5 points off the bottom of the league, 2 points off the relegation zone, above six other teams of whom four have a game in hand on us. Oxford on Tuesday night is a huge game.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on December 12, 2020, 21:56:07 pm
How the fcuk is want Curle out ďnonsensical ď 😂

If you want him out thatís your opinion, which you are entitled to. My opinion, which I am entitled to,  is that sacking him now wouldnít make sense. The word Ďnonsensicalí means to lack sense hence why I have used it.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on December 12, 2020, 22:04:11 pm
Fair comment.....not so sure about what KT might have said to KC though....KT in the press kept going on about a competitive budget, made reference to Wycombe on more than one occasion, "if they can do it why can't we?"..... would be pretty negative just to hope for 20th this season.....in my opinion of course.

We're 5 points off the bottom of the league, 2 points off the relegation zone, above six other teams of whom four have a game in hand on us. Oxford on Tuesday night is a huge game.

If heíd have come out and said we just want to finish 21st this season there would have been outrage on here with the club being blasted as Ďlacking ambitioní. Heís not stupid, heís a businessman and he knows that this season is going to be financially tough and staying in the division would be fantastic. KC has already said the aim is to Ďmaintain our status in the divisioní. How competitive can our budget really be if weíre getting outmuscled by the likes of Gillingham?

We are 5 points off bottom but also 5 points off 11th. I agree that Tuesday is a huge game and we need a much better performance than today.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 12, 2020, 22:21:40 pm
I also know millionaires. Two brothers that I have been working for in central London. And their father is a billionaire. But their interest is in property renovation. Not football. So, now that I have trumped you, where are we going to play when your boys demolish Sixfields ? ;D
Believe me when I tell you that you havenít trumped me
Read my post again
One is a multi billionaire.....
I can say no more....

Interestingly one of the people I know is a brother who works in property renovation in London.
Could be the same chap....
Are they local???

Interestingly in my friends opinion the best place to build a stadium would be just off the motorway towards blisworth
This area will soon be a large industrial site being linked to the rail network (freight initially) but my friend would take a punt that what with climate change and an eagerness in the future to get cars off roads in his opinion in years to come it will carry passengers.
A 25,000 seater stadium in that area a stones throw from junction 15a and with potential to have a rail link would be the way forward....
Sixfields would be houses(or whatever the council desire)

That was what he told me he would do were he to purchase the football club.
He also said basically any club with a capacity under 10,000 would never be a sustainable entity in football terms in years to come.
He said that there will eventually be a second premier league in some guise where big clubs with big capacities will get 50% less than the prem for tv rights etc.
He claimed this would be natural progression in football terms with the top 40 teams getting great financial rewards from tv rights where as the rest of the teams 50 odd would wither on the vine.
In his opinion ntfc needed to be a sustainable championship club with a 25,000 seater stadium selling out to have any chance of jumping on the gravy train.

That is why he said the club is a potential goldmine if they have the finance to speculate and turn the club from a traditional lower league club into a club that with significant investment could rival the likes of Leicester,wolves and West Brom and significant year on year growth being a one county team.


The only thing stopping this for the last twenty years has been anyone with the vision and finance to realise this...

He hasnít got where he is by getting things wrong!!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 12, 2020, 23:08:40 pm
Serious question CC......

Do you think the situation would be any different if we were getting 6000-7000 home crowds and upwards of 1000 travelling away from home? Would the pressure from the stands after performances like we are turning in make a difference?

Reduced to empty rhetoric and conjecture? I really don't understand the lengths you go to belittle the support in order to suit your line of thought. Are you really a fan?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on December 13, 2020, 06:26:26 am
Rather than moan why not ask KT if he has said that to be a sustainable league one club we need extra investment....

As you have asked I know of a couple of people who could buy the club with their loose change....
I asked one who looked into it....
He said he would willingly buy the club for £1 as long as it was debt free )ie )the current owners would write off all the debt they have amassed during their tenure.

He said he would knock the current stadium down and build a fit for purpose 25,000 seater stadium.
No bulls***.

The chap is worth weíll over £500M

I also know another chap whose wealth dwarfs that....
He is foreign though lives in London.

I know these people through my horse racing ventures.

To put things in perspective one of them has spent £40m on bloodstock this calendar year the other is a multi billionaire.

When things are better and the redevelopment is finished il be happy to attend sixfields again and you can meet me if you wish.
I can even introduce you to one of them.

I donít make statements that I canít back up.

He will have been the most successful businessman to ever step foot in sixfields end of.

One of them actually stated that NTFC are actually a brilliant investment opportunity for someone with the right nous.
However he said in all his business ventures he would never pay an inflated price on the back of others financial decisions ie) you run a business and accrue millions of pounds of debt donít expect me to pay for your bad decisions.

Thatís it in a nutshell.

Oh actually I do know a third...
He is Irish and is going to buy his local GAA team and turn them into a force
He is going to pump a paltry £25M into them as a hobby so I doubt heíd be interested in the cobblers!!

In fairness you chose the right person to ask !!! ;)

If your comments are to believed why did he not buy it for a pound when KT and DC stepped up to the plate?

My same comment to you, as it is now to KT, is it's easy to 'talk the talk, try walking the walk'!!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1971cobbler on December 13, 2020, 08:45:16 am
Reduced to empty rhetoric and conjecture? I really don't understand the lengths you go to belittle the support in order to suit your line of thought. Are you really a fan?

I have to say Evers, how could you have possibly come up with this reply based on the question that was posed?

I can only conclude that you have a personal agenda against the previous poster?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 13, 2020, 09:17:16 am
If your comments are to believed why did he not buy it for a pound when KT and DC stepped up to the plate?

My same comment to you, as it is now to KT, is it's easy to 'talk the talk, try walking the walk'!!!
As I understand it the notion that the club was purchased for a pound is at best naive.
There was substantial debt and bills that were picked up including many that the new owners were unaware of.
The reason he didnít bother was the timescale.
It was a rush job to get any deal done and proper due diligence could never be completed...
The checks KT/DB managed were in no way comprehensive due to timescale restraints placed upon them , this resulted in surprises being found which from memory I think they acknowledged at the time.

It was hard enough for new owners taking over just carrying on as was (and letís not forget nothing has really changed in the grand scheme of things)

To pour in excess of £50M into a club without having time to properly look at finances , purchase land for a new stadium , have talks with the council regards the future of sixfields etc was certainly not viable given a two/three week period.

In short had my friend decided to buy the club it would have been a major investment which would have meant the club leaving sixfields and cutting ties with the council who own the ground and building a new fit for purpose stadium to take the club into the next century...

At the moment he is keeping an eye on another sporting opportunity that may arise within the county in which to invest.
It actually has the chance to be more profitable than buying ntfc and would take less time to return a profit on investment.

Buying football clubs is a high risk investment but in my friends opinion Northampton was one of a handful of clubs in the country that had a good chance of being able to sell on for large profit in the next decade if you were in the championship with regular gates of 20,000 plus.
He does however fear that the time to move on this has passed as the football world is changing and the small clubs will remain forever small.
He did say interestingly that his ideas for the clubs future were no different than max griggs plans many years ago.
He maintains that if the club had the foresight to embrace Griggs at the time then the club would have been in the premiership now...

Which when you look at the current situation of adding a few corporate boxes and a lick of paint to a sub 10,000 seater stadium it goes to show how far away the club actually are from ever being a serious proposition.

To get things back on topic there will be many managers like KC who come here on the back of promises and sound bytes of a bright future but in reality they are doomed to failure.

MK have walked before they run and it will take another generation before their wonderful stadium is filled with local born and bred fans.
Peterborough have got the rate of progression spot on and will be a championship regular soon enough with adequate facilities to maintain that level of football and will receive the riches that come with it.
The cobblers will trundle on much like the last decade with an unfinished redevelopment with the irony being that it has taken so long that the current redevelopment is no longer fit for purpose and will actually serve very little benefit whatsoever...
Time has ticked on and other clubs are redeveloping or building 20,000 plus stadiums for the future, the cobblers are getting nowhere with an 8,500 seater stadium.

The club is not in great shape for the future whatever anyone says as their ambition is so small and they have no hope of attracting managers/players of the right calibre when their future is as a league two club.

That in reality is where the club are now a league two club masquerading in league one.
Even the current owners have said on record that extra investment is needed over and above what they can offer in order for the cobblers to go to the next level hence the Chinese fiasco (never mentioned nowadays)


There will be many KCs come and go but until the fan base realises the reality of the situation and lowers its expectations nothing will change.

In football you get what you put in and ambition ultimately leads to success.
There are now quite a few league one clubs with ambition and finance to get into the championship but sadly we are not one.

No amount of different managers will change that anytime soon.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 13, 2020, 09:34:04 am
I have to say Evers, how could you have possibly come up with this reply based on the question that was posed?

I can only conclude that you have a personal agenda against the previous poster?

Yet he says Iím the one with the agenda!

The old man is just a wind up merchant.....


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on December 13, 2020, 09:59:19 am
Believe me when I tell you that you havenít trumped me
Read my post again
One is a multi billionaire.....
I can say no more....

Are there any multi billionaires in the uk?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 10:18:41 am
Believe me when I tell you that you havenít trumped me
Read my post again
One is a multi billionaire.....
I can say no more....

Interestingly one of the people I know is a brother who works in property renovation in London.
Could be the same chap....
Are they local???

Interestingly in my friends opinion the best place to build a stadium would be just off the motorway towards blisworth
This area will soon be a large industrial site being linked to the rail network (freight initially) but my friend would take a punt that what with climate change and an eagerness in the future to get cars off roads in his opinion in years to come it will carry passengers.
A 25,000 seater stadium in that area a stones throw from junction 15a and with potential to have a rail link would be the way forward....
Sixfields would be houses(or whatever the council desire)

That was what he told me he would do were he to purchase the football club.
He also said basically any club with a capacity under 10,000 would never be a sustainable entity in football terms in years to come.
He said that there will eventually be a second premier league in some guise where big clubs with big capacities will get 50% less than the prem for tv rights etc.
He claimed this would be natural progression in football terms with the top 40 teams getting great financial rewards from tv rights where as the rest of the teams 50 odd would wither on the vine.
In his opinion ntfc needed to be a sustainable championship club with a 25,000 seater stadium selling out to have any chance of jumping on the gravy train.

That is why he said the club is a potential goldmine if they have the finance to speculate and turn the club from a traditional lower league club into a club that with significant investment could rival the likes of Leicester,wolves and West Brom and significant year on year growth being a one county team.


The only thing stopping this for the last twenty years has been anyone with the vision and finance to realise this...

He hasnít got where he is by getting things wrong!!!
Heís wrong.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 13, 2020, 11:46:15 am
I have to say Evers, how could you have possibly come up with this reply based on the question that was posed?

I can only conclude that you have a personal agenda against the previous poster?

GPC provides very good details on NTFC matters particularly financial aspects. I have no need to pursue personal agendaís. You are entitled to conclude what you like and happy to applaud you. As always due to the nature of MBís much is lost in understanding what was said or even implied/meant. I donít appreciate comments which belittle the support by describing them as ĎHappy Clappersí simply because they are perceived in that way in order to mock them. Rightly or even wrongly I believe GPC is on a journey which if followed could be disastrous for the Club. My point of reference would be Mellyís recent post of which I hope you have read and support? ? ?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 11:54:03 am
Are there any multi billionaires in the uk?
Interesting fact, the UK is just about the only country in Europe that has billionaires. Anyway, back to the football.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 12:20:28 pm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverwilliams1/2019/11/20/exactly-how-many-billionaires-are-there-in-the-uk/?sh=62d80be819b7


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 13, 2020, 12:37:42 pm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverwilliams1/2019/11/20/exactly-how-many-billionaires-are-there-in-the-uk/?sh=62d80be819b7
The communist party lying, surely not  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 12:39:46 pm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverwilliams1/2019/11/20/exactly-how-many-billionaires-are-there-in-the-uk/?sh=62d80be819b7
If they moved to Europe they would probably cease to be billionaires, anyone fancy having a crack at why?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 13, 2020, 13:10:37 pm
Depends on how you measure wealth. My neighbour hasn't a bean in the bank but owns a mint Tracy Island.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 13, 2020, 13:10:39 pm
Heís wrong.
In your opinion which is fine.
Without being rude to you I very much doubt he will lose sleep worrying about your opinion
He is a multi millionaire businessman who could buy the club with his loose change and he hasnít got to that stage by being a bad businessman.
He certainly hasnít purchased the cobblers and racked up a large debt over the last few years...
His own business ventures turn a large profit.
The cobblers as a company have lost millions of pounds over the last few seasons.
In an extraordinary parallel max Griggs was a very successful businessman.
He would have been the best/most successful businessman that the club could ever have had....

They donít have much luck with mega rich owners but theyíve had chances and there are still very rich local businessmen out there.....

As my friend said last year...
Either something is for sale or it is not.
That is totally different to we are here to be spoken to...
That means nothing in the eyes of real businessmen
If itís for sale there is a price to purchase
Anything else is just twaddle

Those are very wise words.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 13, 2020, 13:14:45 pm
I know of many billionaires who live in the U.K. but none are British.
I know one multi billionaire personally and a few multi millionaires (British,Irish)
I know of one who owns a £100M property but lives in it 3 months a year!!

There are lots more very wealthy people than youíd think


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 13, 2020, 13:16:23 pm
The communist party lying, surely not  ;D

 ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 13:31:48 pm
In your opinion which is fine.
Without being rude to you I very much doubt he will lose sleep worrying about your opinion
He is a multi millionaire businessman who could buy the club with his loose change and he hasnít got to that stage by being a bad businessman.
He certainly hasnít purchased the cobblers and racked up a large debt over the last few years...
His own business ventures turn a large profit.
The cobblers as a company have lost millions of pounds over the last few seasons.
In an extraordinary parallel max Griggs was a very successful businessman.
He would have been the best/most successful businessman that the club could ever have had....

They donít have much luck with mega rich owners but theyíve had chances and there are still very rich local businessmen out there.....

As my friend said last year...
Either something is for sale or it is not.
That is totally different to we are here to be spoken to...
That means nothing in the eyes of real businessmen
If itís for sale there is a price to purchase
Anything else is just twaddle

Those are very wise words.
Youíre not rude and he definitely wonít lose sleep. The fact is that he is a billionaire in spite of his wrong decisions. Every entrepreneur and business person makes mistakes and errors of judgment irrespective of the quality of their C.V. Opinion is opinion and no more and no less. The only way to establish the veracity of opinion is to act upon it? His C.V doesnít offer any guarantee that he is correct in his assessment or devalue the relevance of an alternative view any more than mine? With regards to Max Griggs my understanding is that his business went through a challenging period? Had he been in charge of the cobblers it is possible that we could have been financially over extended as a result of those difficulties? I donít know that as a fact I only raise it as a possibility? The fact is this, many clubs have had very rich benefactors who have promised a brighter future? These include Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, Brighton and Bournemouth. The results have been mixed?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 13, 2020, 13:51:59 pm
Thatís fair although I think that many of those you speak of have hit the buffers after overspending in the premiership in a desperate attempt to stay in it.
Many successful businessmen have ups and downs.
The owners of Ryanair have cut back on their bloodstock investments due to the COVID situation...
They still have a company though and one that will be making major profits again soon.

I donít mean to disrespect any owners that have been in charge during the 40 years Iíve been a fan but none would have had the financial clout to make the cobblers a championship club.

The fact is IF the cobblers were purchased by a wealthy owner they could be turned around quicker than youíd imagine.
They are an attractive proposition as a one county football club but would need starting from scratch
There is no reason whatsoever that the cobblers couldnít have an MK dons style stadium and we would have more chance of filling it regularly than MK

We only seem to have aspirations to be a league two club in a small ground.
I feel thatís a shame as there is scope for so much more...



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 13:58:15 pm
Is he a multi million or billionaire? You keep changing your description of him.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Gazman on December 13, 2020, 14:01:23 pm


I donít mean to disrespect any owners that have been in charge during the 40 years Iíve been a fan but none would have had the financial clout to make the cobblers a championship club.




Cardozo almost did  ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 13, 2020, 14:05:56 pm
Interestingly one of the people I know is a brother who works in property renovation in London.
Could be the same chap....
Are they local???

Nope. Swedish.
On another note, when I was 16 I went to college with a lad, who told us all that he was going to be a millionaire. At the time, he was an apprentice panel beater at Dutton Forshaw in Kettering. And drove around in an old mini van. He recently sold his business empire for 110 million.
This is all pointless though, as none of them are going to invest in us.





Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 14:07:46 pm
Is he a multi million or billionaire? You keep changing your description of him.
Depends which country heís in? Is anyone getting involved in this trivia challenge or am I wasting my time?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 13, 2020, 14:11:55 pm
Depends which country heís in? Is anyone getting involved in this trivia challenge or am I wasting my time?
We are all billionaires in Venezuela  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 14:13:54 pm
We are all billionaires in Venezuela  ;D
No youíre not!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 14:19:33 pm
Right, since no one is taking it seriously Iíll tell you. Itís because generally speaking English speaking countries use the short scale numerical system. This means that a billion is a thousand million, a trillion is a thousand billion, a quadrillion is a thousand trillion and so on. Non English speaking countries generally (although not always) use the long scale system. In this format a billion is a million million, a trillion is a million billion and so on. Hence as a general rule billionaires only exist in English speaking countries. Sorry for boring everyone?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 13, 2020, 14:29:21 pm
At the risk of extending this, we had a Venezualan painter on site. It was like the United Nations at times. He told us that you could fill your car up for about a pound, but there was no food on the shelves. And due to hyper inflation, you had to carry a rucksack full of worthless currency around, in order to purchase anything. He was lucky, as his parents were diplomats, and he was able to travel around Europe. He liked London a lot. ;D That opened his eyes.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 13, 2020, 14:40:01 pm
Nope. Swedish.
On another note, when I was 16 I went to college with a lad, who told us all that he was going to be a millionaire. At the time, he was an apprentice panel beater at Dutton Forshaw in Kettering. And drove around in an old mini van. He recently sold his business empire for 110 million.
This is all pointless though, as none of them are going to invest in us.




I knew a bloke who every year claimed that this time next year il be a millionaire.
It never came to pass until one day when he found a very valuable watch in his garage and it sold for millions at auction.
He wonít be investing in the cobblers either.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 13, 2020, 14:43:26 pm
I knew a bloke who every year claimed that this time next year il be a millionaire.
It never came to pass until one day when he found a very valuable watch in his garage and it sold for millions at auction.
He wonít be investing in the cobblers either.
He didnt start saying that at sixteen though. But to be fair, they both had dodgy vans.  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 13, 2020, 14:56:41 pm
He didnt start saying that at sixteen though. But to be fair, they both had dodgy vans.  ;D
;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 13, 2020, 15:59:54 pm
Right, since no one is taking it seriously Iíll tell you. Itís because generally speaking English speaking countries use the short scale numerical system. This means that a billion is a thousand million, a trillion is a thousand billion, a quadrillion is a thousand trillion and so on. Non English speaking countries generally (although not always) use the long scale system. In this format a billion is a million million, a trillion is a million billion and so on. Hence as a general rule billionaires only exist in English speaking countries. Sorry for boring everyone?
Got here to late. I knew of that distinction. Didnt a billion get watered down to a thousand million by the yanks the same way they have a knack of altering most things to siot their own and then us Brits since followed suit? Sure I learnt about a billion being a million squared when at school.
Quite surprised that no one individual can yet call himself a true billionaire (million x million) asset wise in this day and age. How much is the richest person on the planet currently worth then and who is it?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 13, 2020, 16:00:35 pm
No youíre not!
XE Currency Converter: 1 GBP to VES = 695,958.35 Venezuelan BolŪvares.
I think the sun is getting to you Melly either that or being upside down has fcuked up your brain.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 13, 2020, 16:05:54 pm
XE Currency Converter: 1 GBP to VES = 695,958.35 Venezuelan BolŪvares.
I think the sun is getting to you Melly either that or being upside down has fcuked up your brain.

Now check again to see how many thousand more a quid can buy you.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 13, 2020, 16:29:42 pm
In your opinion which is fine.
Without being rude to you I very much doubt he will lose sleep worrying about your opinion
He is a multi millionaire businessman who could buy the club with his loose change and he hasnít got to that stage by being a bad businessman.
He certainly hasnít purchased the cobblers and racked up a large debt over the last few years...
His own business ventures turn a large profit.
The cobblers as a company have lost millions of pounds over the last few seasons.
In an extraordinary parallel max Griggs was a very successful businessman.
He would have been the best/most successful businessman that the club could ever have had....

They donít have much luck with mega rich owners but theyíve had chances and there are still very rich local businessmen out there.....

As my friend said last year...
Either something is for sale or it is not.
That is totally different to we are here to be spoken to...
That means nothing in the eyes of real businessmen
If itís for sale there is a price to purchase
Anything else is just twaddle

Those are very wise words.

Max Griggs over reached himself taking a small club to League 1, so he could have taken the Cobblers to...  where they are now!

Your mate(?) says the club is a potential goldmine and you say he could buy it with his small change, so clearing any debt would need just a little more small change for a multi billionaire. So why doesn't he? Surely a multi billionaire would like a very cheap goldmine, is he in fact a billion red herrings? If not, great!, tell him to step up and show everyone how to run a football club.

Not taking the mick here I'd love to see this happen to my little club.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Another Pedj on December 13, 2020, 17:06:49 pm
Rather than moan why not ask KT if he has said that to be a sustainable league one club we need extra investment....

As you have asked I know of a couple of people who could buy the club with their loose change....
I asked one who looked into it....
He said he would willingly buy the club for £1 as long as it was debt free )ie )the current owners would write off all the debt they have amassed during their tenure.

He said he would knock the current stadium down and build a fit for purpose 25,000 seater stadium.
No bulls***.

The chap is worth weíll over £500M

I also know another chap whose wealth dwarfs that....
He is foreign though lives in London.

I know these people through my horse racing ventures.

To put things in perspective one of them has spent £40m on bloodstock this calendar year the other is a multi billionaire.

When things are better and the redevelopment is finished il be happy to attend sixfields again and you can meet me if you wish.
I can even introduce you to one of them.

I donít make statements that I canít back up.

He will have been the most successful businessman to ever step foot in sixfields end of.

One of them actually stated that NTFC are actually a brilliant investment opportunity for someone with the right nous.
However he said in all his business ventures he would never pay an inflated price on the back of others financial decisions ie) you run a business and accrue millions of pounds of debt donít expect me to pay for your bad decisions.

Thatís it in a nutshell.

Oh actually I do know a third...
He is Irish and is going to buy his local GAA team and turn them into a force
He is going to pump a paltry £25M into them as a hobby so I doubt heíd be interested in the cobblers!!

In fairness you chose the right person to ask !!! ;)

Then why are they hesitating about the asking price?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 13, 2020, 18:11:57 pm
Max Griggs over reached himself taking a small club to League 1, so he could have taken the Cobblers to...  where they are now!

Your mate(?) says the club is a potential goldmine and you say he could buy it with his small change, so clearing any debt would need just a little more small change for a multi billionaire. So why doesn't he? Surely a multi billionaire would like a very cheap goldmine, is he in fact a billion red herrings? If not, great!, tell him to step up and show everyone how to run a football club.

Not taking the mick here I'd love to see this happen to my little club.
He has no need to buy the club and as discussed as a matter of principal he wouldnít pay off debt incurred by previous incumbents.
Thatís the crux of it.
Heís currently considering investing into another sporting venture, as I explained earlier the cobblers venture is one that needed taking on a few years back.
The current owners are the ones who could take the club forward if they had the finance in place.
As far as I know the club is not for sale.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 13, 2020, 18:26:02 pm
Then why are they hesitating about the asking price?
The club isnít for sale
There is no selling price.
If heíd have purchased the club it would have been five years back and weíd have had a posh stadium and a much better squad....
He didnít for the reasons stated and itís too late for the cobblers to be anything other than a league two club under the current circumstances (in fairness to DC he pointed out that the cobblers had no real future without a redevelopment)
He was actually correct there but we are talking ancient history when a 10,000 seater stadium would do.

I know itís hard for others to grasp but football has moved on in the meantime and a much larger stadium is required to have hopes of maintaining a presence in the higher leagues.

In reality the owners would be better off scrapping the redevelopment and leaving it to future owners...
Anyway enough about hypothesises that wonít occur...

Letís get the thread back on track .....

The clubs future under KC.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 13, 2020, 18:29:09 pm
. How much is the richest person on the planet currently worth then and who is it?
Jeff Bezos. Amazon. 139 billion pounds. Dont get excited though.
He has a huge warehouse next to the M1 at Milton Keynes. Unlikely to be excited by us.
Now then, whilst we are talking complete bollox, whatever happened to Shaquille o`neal? Hes worth a few bob.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on December 13, 2020, 19:01:55 pm
Max Griggs over reached himself taking a small club to League 1, so he could have taken the Cobblers to...  where they are now!
Max's problem is that he took over 2 clubs with a fan base of around 300 each. He thought, wrongly, that the Cobblers would go bust and that our fans would go to Artlenock for our football. If he had have put £30M into NTFC, with a potential fan base of 25000+, it would have been a success. Such a shame as he was a life long Cobblers fan until someone upset him.  :(


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 13, 2020, 19:26:03 pm
Max's problem is that he took over 2 clubs with a fan base of around 300 each. He thought, wrongly, that the Cobblers would go bust and that our fans would go to Artlenock for our football. If he had have put £30M into NTFC, with a potential fan base of 25000+, it would have been a success. Such a shame as he was a life long Cobblers fan until someone upset him.  :(
I have got a couple of issues with this. Namely £30 million, and 25000. Random figures I would suggest.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 13, 2020, 19:40:22 pm
He has no need to buy the club and as discussed as a matter of principal he wouldnít pay off debt incurred by previous incumbents.
Thatís the crux of it.
Heís currently considering investing into another sporting venture, as I explained earlier the cobblers venture is one that needed taking on a few years back.
The current owners are the ones who could take the club forward if they had the finance in place.
As far as I know the club is not for sale.

No need to buy?! who needs to buy a football club? you've just ruled everyone out! So you are confirming he is a red herring? Why big him up? Are you auditioning for a remake of Bullseye, "let's look at what you could have won! ;D ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 13, 2020, 19:43:12 pm
I have got a couple of issues with this. Namely £30 million, and 25000. Random figures I would suggest.

Nene Park cost £30 mill. alone so I would suggest this figure is pretty accurate.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 13, 2020, 20:08:21 pm
Jeff Bezos. Amazon. 139 billion pounds. Dont get excited though.
He has a huge warehouse next to the M1 at Milton Keynes. Unlikely to be excited by us.
Now then, whilst we are talking complete bollox, whatever happened to Shaquille o`neal? Hes worth a few bob.
Oh yeah that Amazon guy. About a seventh of a proper billion then. Thought someone might have a bit more in their back pocket than that.
Shoemakers mate sounds like he's got more than Shaq.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 20:13:48 pm
XE Currency Converter: 1 GBP to VES = 695,958.35 Venezuelan BolŪvares.
I think the sun is getting to you Melly either that or being upside down has fcuked up your brain.

Both.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 20:17:15 pm
Got here to late. I knew of that distinction. Didnt a billion get watered down to a thousand million by the yanks the same way they have a knack of altering most things to siot their own and then us Brits since followed suit? Sure I learnt about a billion being a million squared when at school.
Quite surprised that no one individual can yet call himself a true billionaire (million x million) asset wise in this day and age. How much is the richest person on the planet currently worth then and who is it?
Not sure really, I only know because the kids were doing astronomy at school and the question came up about which billion was relevant regarding light years?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 13, 2020, 20:44:19 pm
Back end of last season and then this season....

24 League games (since the Derby FA Cup Replay defeat)........7 wins......3 draws.....14 defeats......25 goals scored.....36 goals conceded



Just so this doesn't get derailed, this is why he should go. Form has been awful all year.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 13, 2020, 20:48:29 pm
Just so this doesn't get derailed, this is why he should go. Form has been awful all year.

More to the point, how many of those games were worth watching? May I venture - 2!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on December 13, 2020, 20:49:05 pm
I have got a couple of issues with this. Namely £30 million, and 25000. Random figures I would suggest.
As SOG points out Nene Park cost £30M and we had a solid fan base of 15,000 in the mid 60's when the population of Northampton was only half of what it is today. Do you not think, if we were in the Championship and with the capacity we couldn't pull in 25,000? Northampton is bigger than Portsmouth, nearly twice the size of Norwich, Ipswich and Blackburn and nearly 3 times the size of Burnley


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 13, 2020, 21:11:06 pm
Oh yeah that Amazon guy. About a seventh of a proper billion then. Thought someone might have a bit more in their back pocket than that.
Probably not. Google is your friend.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/people/57553/top-billionaires-who-richest-person-world


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 21:11:17 pm
Just so this doesn't get derailed, this is why he should go. Form has been awful all year.
Without being argumentative Dan I return to the same thing, change often results in a step backwards rather than forwards. To that end if it were me I would at least have clear indicators of what constitutes acceptable performance? For example, in your eyes what would equate to success in what time frame? Alternatively what would constitute failure, again in what time frame? Who in particular would you bring into the club as a replacement and how have they performed previously in comparison to the parameters you have set? This all might be a bit tedious, but as a club owner if you at least have some clear direction in your decision making you are less likely to suffer the very real financial impact, turmoil and significant consequences as a result of poor judgment? If we are honest and applied some reasonable measures to all this, I think anyone would be hard pushed to come up with a convincing case to dismiss Curle short of subjective opinion at best? For me thatís nowhere near worth the risk and cost?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Coolcat on December 13, 2020, 21:13:02 pm
Just so this doesn't get derailed, this is why he should go. Form has been awful all year.
Who?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 13, 2020, 21:37:18 pm
As SOG points out Nene Park cost £30M and we had a solid fan base of 15,000 in the mid 60's when the population of Northampton was only half of what it is today. Do you not think, if we were in the Championship and with the capacity we couldn't pull in 25,000? Northampton is bigger than Portsmouth, nearly twice the size of Norwich, Ipswich and Blackburn and nearly 3 times the size of Burnley
No I dont. I dont care about comparisons. They have a comunity sense, that we do not. I rarely see anybody walking around with a claret shirt on. There is no pride in this town, just apathy. And dont start on about Wembley attendances. How many of the glory hunters came back? We are what we are.
And by the way, "if we were in the championship" wont apply for a long time.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 13, 2020, 21:58:30 pm
Without being argumentative Dan I return to the same thing, change often results in a step backwards rather than forwards. To that end if it were me I would at least have clear indicators of what constitutes acceptable performance? For example, in your eyes what would equate to success in what time frame? Alternatively what would constitute failure, again in what time frame? Who in particular would you bring into the club as a replacement and how have they performed previously in comparison to the parameters you have set? This all might be a bit tedious, but as a club owner if you at least have some clear direction in your decision making you are less likely to suffer the very real financial impact, turmoil and significant consequences as a result of poor judgment? If we are honest and applied some reasonable measures to all this, I think anyone would be hard pushed to come up with a convincing case to dismiss Curle short of subjective opinion at best? For me thatís nowhere near worth the risk and cost?

Should have gone for Paul Tisdale..... took over at Bristol Rovers and has won 4 in 7, they are now above us. From those 7 games he has overseen a 6-0 win over Darlington in the FA Cup, a 4-2 win at AFC Wimbledon in the league, and a 3-0 win yesterday over Plymouth. Hardly a backwards step?
Lee Johnson? Two wins from 3 for Sunderland including a 4-0 win at Lincoln yesterday.
Steve Cotterill? One defeat in 5 since taking over at Shrewsbury and a 1-0 win at leaders Hull City yesterday?

John Sheridan is the only one who hasn't seen an upturn in form yet, not recorded a victory at Swindon since taking over.

Still, three out of four ain't bad!  ;D

All those three are in our division, and all are performing better than those whom they replaced.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 22:05:15 pm
Should have gone for Paul Tisdale..... took over at Bristol Rovers and has won 4 in 7, they are now above us. From those 7 games he has overseen a 6-0 win over Darlington in the FA Cup, a 4-2 win at AFC Wimbledon in the league, and a 3-0 win yesterday over Plymouth. Hardly a backwards step?
Lee Johnson? Two wins from 3 for Sunderland including a 4-0 win at Lincoln yesterday.
Steve Cotterill? One defeat in 5 since taking over at Shrewsbury and a 1-0 win at leaders Hull City yesterday?

John Sheridan is the only one who hasn't seen an upturn in form yet, not recorded a victory at Swindon since taking over.

Still, three out of four ain't bad!  ;D

All those three are in our division, and all are performing better than those whom they replaced.
Valid but I think a longer term view over a season would perhaps be a better indication. Also if we had a figure with regards to our budget and how that positions us with the rest of the division compared to our league position would be a pretty fair indicator?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 13, 2020, 22:12:06 pm
Valid but I think a longer term view over a season would perhaps be a better indication. Also if we had a figure with regards to our budget and how that positions us with the rest of the division compared to our league position would be a pretty fair indicator?

Of course, many clubs experience that new manager "bounce".... keeping it going is the hard thing!

Back to your post itself, acceptable performance for me would be an improvement in results (not that much, I don't think we'll win every game!) but an improvement in the style of play and the tactics used. For me, these are more important than the results we have been getting! I personally don't think the results would be worse if we had a new man at the helm.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 13, 2020, 23:04:44 pm
Should have gone for Paul Tisdale..... took over at Bristol Rovers and has won 4 in 7, they are now above us. From those 7 games he has overseen a 6-0 win over Darlington in the FA Cup, a 4-2 win at AFC Wimbledon in the league, and a 3-0 win yesterday over Plymouth. Hardly a backwards step?
Lee Johnson? Two wins from 3 for Sunderland including a 4-0 win at Lincoln yesterday.
Steve Cotterill? One defeat in 5 since taking over at Shrewsbury and a 1-0 win at leaders Hull City yesterday?

John Sheridan is the only one who hasn't seen an upturn in form yet, not recorded a victory at Swindon since taking over.

Still, three out of four ain't bad!  ;D

All those three are in our division, and all are performing better than those whom they replaced.

Tisdale sacked Nov '19 after poor start to 19/20 season when MK gained 1 point out of possible 27. Impressive prior to MK (whom he steered to Promotion)

Lee Johnstone who endured a problematic spell with Bristol City but appeared to do well but unpopular with fans and suffered death threats. Sacked by City after a run of 4 defeats.

Steve Cotteril
draw against Accrington Stanley 
draw against Charlton
Loss against Lincoln
win against Hull

Apart from Cotterill all maybe enjoying the infamous new Manager bounce! Cotterill has an excellent pedigree in Managing Higher Level Clubs. Lee J appears to suffer from some unpopularity with fans so probably best avoided!
Tisdale may well have been a choice if there was a vacancy at NTFC! For me Cotterill but not overly impressed.

What might be interesting is the win ratio etc of these guys.

Incidentally, I do not at the moment support the sacking of KC and am very much in line with Mellys thinking. I happen to believe KC is the man to keep us in L1; dire displays or otherwise. What happens in future seasons is open to question, that is on style etc and of course ambition. I wish KC and the team all the best at Oxford.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on December 13, 2020, 23:38:25 pm
No I dont. I dont care about comparisons. They have a comunity sense, that we do not. I rarely see anybody walking around with a claret shirt on. There is no pride in this town, just apathy. And dont start on about Wembley attendances. How many of the glory hunters came back? We are what we are.
And by the way, "if we were in the championship" wont apply for a long time.
The very reason there are not many Claret shirts around town is because, apart from odd years, we are unsuccessful. If you had walked around Brighton 20 years ago you wouldn't have seen too many Albion shirts the year they just avoided relegation to the Conference and now look where they are. The "Glory Hunters" didn't come back because we've had no glory! I don't buy this "No pride" & "apathy" in the town, we only need something to be proud of !
      "If we were in the Championship" could apply, how many Bournemouth fans would have believed they would be playing in the Premiership back in 2008 when they were bottom of League 2. Unexpected things happen in Football


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 23:41:45 pm
Of course, many clubs experience that new manager "bounce".... keeping it going is the hard thing!

Back to your post itself, acceptable performance for me would be an improvement in results (not that much, I don't think we'll win every game!) but an improvement in the style of play and the tactics used. For me, these are more important than the results we have been getting! I personally don't think the results would be worse if we had a new man at the helm.
Must be honest GPC, there is no getting around the fact that style and manner of performance is very important. Whilst I still believe the factors I have stated are crucial this issue is a significant negative against KC currently in my opinion?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 13, 2020, 23:52:48 pm
Curle out this week...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on December 14, 2020, 07:20:32 am
Results are the priority BUT with KC's lack of style of play compounded by poor resulkts is not acceptable!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Wakey Cobbler on December 14, 2020, 10:00:50 am
Having just watched the "highlights" of the Crewe game it would appear that we were absolute dross. Curle must be on borrowed time. As many have said, it's not just about results, the style of football is about as basic as it gets. We will go down with him at the helm.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on December 14, 2020, 10:13:59 am
Excellent summary from James Hennegan in the Chron this AM, think he has captured most fans thoughts at the moment


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: woody84 on December 14, 2020, 10:36:22 am
The style (defensive and negative) is just about ok if it delivers results, but it isn't. We have players on the pitch and the bench who can take a game to the opposition but he doesn't let them. I know Holmes is coming back from a long term injury and Adams has been plagued a bit but they're not going to get their sharpness back having to defend in the last quarter of the pitch.
The style of football and the time wasting after 25 mins is starting to make me feel embarrassed to be a fan of this club.
We need to improve the squad there is no doubt, but we're not going to attract the players we need playing that sort of football. Players are going to go to Fleetwood (as Curle admitted), Oxford, Crewe.
Staying up for me was and still is the mark of a good season. I'm struggling to see that (I think it will be close either way) but cannot see a positive future next season or after with Curle. He needs to change quick or I think he will be changed.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 14, 2020, 11:02:41 am
I believe that Holmes and Adams will have a combined influence on how we play in the future after Holmes has demonstrated his confidence to go public on his concerns.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 14, 2020, 11:39:54 am
I believe that Holmes and Adams will have a combined influence on how we play in the future after Holmes has demonstrated his confidence to go public on his concerns.

I wonder how Holmes comments sit with Curle? Itís almost as if heís Ďgone rogueí with him coming out with those views. There was an article last week about him taking the reins off....
he gives a good interview so the media are going to keep going back to him now. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Also noticed that despite Holmes scoring from Hoskins cross on Saturday, Ricky ran past Sam without seemingly an acknowledgement for the cross, and ran to meet up and celebrate with Adams, he who took the quick free kick.
Two senior pros, two good mates and seemingly two growing influences within the squad.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on December 14, 2020, 12:05:42 pm
I wonder how Holmes comments sit with Curle? Itís almost as if heís Ďgone rogueí with him coming out with those views. There was an article last week about him taking the reins off....
he gives a good interview so the media are going to keep going back to him now. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Also noticed that despite Holmes scoring from Hoskins cross on Saturday, Ricky ran past Sam without seemingly an acknowledgement for the cross, and ran to meet up and celebrate with Adams, he who took the quick free kick.
Two senior pros, two good mates and seemingly two growing influences within the squad.
He spoke the truth and it was refreshing to hear. Pure frustration from a player that had just been humiliated and battered in his words by Crewe! He made the point that we played as if we were facing Arsenal (of old) not Crewe. The style of football is appalling and he knows it.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2020, 12:42:55 pm
The very reason there are not many Claret shirts around town is because, apart from odd years, we are unsuccessful. If you had walked around Brighton 20 years ago you wouldn't have seen too many Albion shirts the year they just avoided relegation to the Conference and now look where they are. The "Glory Hunters" didn't come back because we've had no glory! I don't buy this "No pride" & "apathy" in the town, we only need something to be proud of !
      "If we were in the Championship" could apply, how many Bournemouth fans would have believed they would be playing in the Premiership back in 2008 when they were bottom of League 2. Unexpected things happen in Football

Enjoyable post to reasd Liddo'


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 14, 2020, 13:40:20 pm
I wonder how Holmes comments sit with Curle? It’s almost as if he’s ‘gone rogue’ with him coming out with those views. There was an article last week about him taking the reins off....
he gives a good interview so the media are going to keep going back to him now. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Also noticed that despite Holmes scoring from Hoskins cross on Saturday, Ricky ran past Sam without seemingly an acknowledgement for the cross, and ran to meet up and celebrate with Adams, he who took the quick free kick.
Two senior pros, two good mates and seemingly two growing influences within the squad.

You read exactly what I was intimating.  ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 14, 2020, 14:35:50 pm
I wonder how Holmes comments sit with Curle? Itís almost as if heís Ďgone rogueí with him coming out with those views. There was an article last week about him taking the reins off....
he gives a good interview so the media are going to keep going back to him now. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Also noticed that despite Holmes scoring from Hoskins cross on Saturday, Ricky ran past Sam without seemingly an acknowledgement for the cross, and ran to meet up and celebrate with Adams, he who took the quick free kick.
Two senior pros, two good mates and seemingly two growing influences within the squad.

Once again you don't tell the whole story. Ricky also said "the manager can't kick every ball for us and the players need to start taking some responsibility on the pitch" or words very similar. Therefore suggesting the players are not listening to the game plan set out.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 14, 2020, 14:39:28 pm
You read exactly what I was intimating.  ;)
You dont think KC will see Holmes honesty in front of the press (still haven't heard it) as a 'mistake' in the same way he did Mitchells kick which gave possession back to the opposition leading to a goal and drop him tomorrow?
He also took both Holmes and Adam's off on 60 mins on Saturday, how much of that was tactical and how much of that was down to what was spoken at halftime?
I seruously hope not but I wouldn't be surprised if Curle backed himself over Holmes (and to a lesser extent Adams) and starts by dropping him tomorrow.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 14, 2020, 14:53:26 pm
You dont think KC will see Holmes honesty in front of the press (still haven't heard it) as a 'mistake' in the same way he did Mitchells kick which gave possession back to the opposition leading to a goal and drop him tomorrow?
He also took both Holmes and Adam's off on 60 mins on Saturday, how much of that was tactical and how much of that was down to what was spoken at halftime?
I seruously hope not but I wouldn't be surprised if Curle backed himself over Holmes (and to a lesser extent Adams) and starts by dropping him tomorrow.

Yes, but I would also assume that Holmes has assessed that he is relatively 'safe' by virtue of him making those comments?
We don't know, but future selections and performances may provide some indication?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2020, 15:20:05 pm
You dont think KC will see Holmes honesty in front of the press (still haven't heard it) as a 'mistake' in the same way he did Mitchells kick which gave possession back to the opposition leading to a goal and drop him tomorrow?
He also took both Holmes and Adam's off on 60 mins on Saturday, how much of that was tactical and how much of that was down to what was spoken at halftime?
I seruously hope not but I wouldn't be surprised if Curle backed himself over Holmes (and to a lesser extent Adams) and starts by dropping him tomorrow.

Ref the insinuations; at the moment cannot see anything to back up your message so you might be right who knows. Did you have time to read Teachers message which was posted over 5 mins before yours?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 14, 2020, 16:35:24 pm
Yes, but I would also assume that Holmes has assessed that he is relatively 'safe' by virtue of him making those comments?
We don't know, but future selections and performances may provide some indication?
Possibly, and they will indeed.
As said, I've not heard the interview, i was going off an assumption that Ricky was being critical of KC when describing the way we've been playing like he did.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 14, 2020, 16:52:08 pm
Possibly, and they will indeed.
As said, I've not heard the interview, i was going off an assumption that Ricky was being critical of KC when describing the way we've been playing like he did.


I haven't heard it either, I'm going from the interview(s) in the Chronic.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2020, 16:54:23 pm
Of course, many clubs experience that new manager "bounce".... keeping it going is the hard thing!

Back to your post itself, acceptable performance for me would be an improvement in results (not that much, I don't think we'll win every game!) but an improvement in the style of play and the tactics used. For me, these are more important than the results we have been getting! I personally don't think the results would be worse if we had a new man at the helm.

This is where we differ ' For me, these are more important than the results we have been getting!
I am not too concerned about the style of play provided we win enough to stay in L1. It's when we lose too often then I get nervous. Not everybody is a perfectionist and after supporting the Cobblers since at school where I was referred to as that oink from Northampton I just cannot bring myself to abandon the Club/Management when things go awry. You have to remember that the 'newish' supporters have yet to experiences the year/year on multiple disappointments with the occasional highlights. Whilst you deplore the style of play some of the older Fans may argue 'what's new or changed'! Hope you appreciate a different viewpoint!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 14, 2020, 17:21:45 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-responds-criticism-his-style-play-and-reveals-long-term-plan-evolve-cobblers-philosophy-3066901


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: MunchyMagic on December 14, 2020, 18:47:26 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-responds-criticism-his-style-play-and-reveals-long-term-plan-evolve-cobblers-philosophy-3066901

That was a good read, I enjoyed that.

I was always getting into bother for defending Keith on the Carlisle board so here I go again  :)

When Keith took us over we were cast adrift at the bottom of League Two looking well and truly finished with a squad that many a supporter would agree to being the worst Carlisle United team they had ever seen, in comes Keith and we are still rubbish but he brings in his pal Derek Asamoah and I don't know how but we managed to scrape enough points together to avoid going down to to non-league level, properly saved us then he was allowed to build his own team and as I have previously mentioned we never got promotion but he turned us into contenders on a yearly basis.

This however was not enough for some fans and they were split, you got the regular 'Curle has never won a promotion and never will' brigade to the more appreciative fan like myself who enjoyed being in the thick of promotion chasing rather than scrapping about at the bottom of the league, it was a no brainer in my eyes.

When Keith's contract ran out he was offered a new one which he turned down, this could have been a really low offer so the club would say 'look we wanted him to stay' but the general feeling was that they wanted shot of him and his budget would have been drastically cut, had he stayed I think that he would have been living on borrowed time in the job so he left with his stocks still relatively high and was in a rare position for a manager to get a standing ovation after the final game as a manager is normally sacked or leaves acrimoniously so it was a little strange.

Another thing that split fans was that Curle was constantly on the radio or the tv giving opinions on various things and many Carlisle United supporter thought that he was bigging himself up looking for a better role - again this never bothered me as for Curle to have left Carlisle then we would have got money for him as he was under contract and just as important was that for anyone to actually want him we would have to be flying high in the league and doing well.

It was no surprise that after Curle, with a few tweaks Sheridan took us instantly to the top but did his normal thing and left abruptly, but the players were mainly the quality that Curle brought in that he was using - this is when the problems started when they brought in Pressley to 'build his own squad' and fast forward less than a year and we are scrapping around at the bottom of League 2 looking for a 'Keith Curle type' to come and save us.

With your recent promotion Curle has proved that he has got more in his cannon than a reliable manager to bring in if anyone is struggling with relegation issues but reading that interview with him he has stayed with his tinkerman methods and this will be his making or his downfall and he knows this, it drove our fans crackers when he would disrupt the team that won the last game when we were on a run and we would lose but you also forget that during this run he was doing the same thing changing things but it didn't matter because we were winning, he will rarely tell you how badly a player is injured and how long they will be out but this is common practice with some managers so as not to tip off leaking the team to the opposing manager.

Definitely an interesting bloke, one of his best qualities is that he endears himself to the fans and has all the time in the world for the supporters - he was getting a bit of stick from some of ours and so he invited them down to the ground for a bit of a crack and they came away with nothing bad to say about him - there was some bloke though that had his leg knee down in a massive tattoo of Keith - going a bit too far that though for example :) 


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on December 14, 2020, 20:06:25 pm
Personally I have nothing against a manager changing a winning team as the team you have just beaten may have a totally different style of play to your next opponents. I would rather have the manager select a team he feels is best suited to get a positive result from the next match.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2020, 21:40:12 pm
That was a good read, I enjoyed that.

I was always getting into bother for defending Keith on the Carlisle board so here I go again  :)

When Keith took us over we were cast adrift at the bottom of League Two looking well and truly finished with a squad that many a supporter would agree to being the worst Carlisle United team they had ever seen, in comes Keith and we are still rubbish but he brings in his pal Derek Asamoah and I don't know how but we managed to scrape enough points together to avoid going down to to non-league level, properly saved us then he was allowed to build his own team and as I have previously mentioned we never got promotion but he turned us into contenders on a yearly basis.

This however was not enough for some fans and they were split, you got the regular 'Curle has never won a promotion and never will' brigade to the more appreciative fan like myself who enjoyed being in the thick of promotion chasing rather than scrapping about at the bottom of the league, it was a no brainer in my eyes.

When Keith's contract ran out he was offered a new one which he turned down, this could have been a really low offer so the club would say 'look we wanted him to stay' but the general feeling was that they wanted shot of him and his budget would have been drastically cut, had he stayed I think that he would have been living on borrowed time in the job so he left with his stocks still relatively high and was in a rare position for a manager to get a standing ovation after the final game as a manager is normally sacked or leaves acrimoniously so it was a little strange.

Another thing that split fans was that Curle was constantly on the radio or the tv giving opinions on various things and many Carlisle United supporter thought that he was bigging himself up looking for a better role - again this never bothered me as for Curle to have left Carlisle then we would have got money for him as he was under contract and just as important was that for anyone to actually want him we would have to be flying high in the league and doing well.

It was no surprise that after Curle, with a few tweaks Sheridan took us instantly to the top but did his normal thing and left abruptly, but the players were mainly the quality that Curle brought in that he was using - this is when the problems started when they brought in Pressley to 'build his own squad' and fast forward less than a year and we are scrapping around at the bottom of League 2 looking for a 'Keith Curle type' to come and save us.

With your recent promotion Curle has proved that he has got more in his cannon than a reliable manager to bring in if anyone is struggling with relegation issues but reading that interview with him he has stayed with his tinkerman methods and this will be his making or his downfall and he knows this, it drove our fans crackers when he would disrupt the team that won the last game when we were on a run and we would lose but you also forget that during this run he was doing the same thing changing things but it didn't matter because we were winning, he will rarely tell you how badly a player is injured and how long they will be out but this is common practice with some managers so as not to tip off leaking the team to the opposing manager.

Definitely an interesting bloke, one of his best qualities is that he endears himself to the fans and has all the time in the world for the supporters - he was getting a bit of stick from some of ours and so he invited them down to the ground for a bit of a crack and they came away with nothing bad to say about him - there was some bloke though that had his leg knee down in a massive tattoo of Keith - going a bit too far that though for example :) 

Currently Munchy on this Board there a few who just cannot stand him as does not play in a way to suit fancy Dan(no pun intended) play. The fact we have not got sufficient quality onboard is ignored and we are endlessly compared with the likes of Accrington Stanley. He is blamed for every ill that falls upon us. The majority of fans just hope we stay in L1 this season and sod the flowing football scene. A few big hitters would rather see us lose but play so 'jolly' well. Nuts to that!  Has Northampton ever been known for fancy Dan football! Should imagine about a total of 2/3 years from 1970. Generall we thrive on a solid defence and competent midfielders plus a decent striker.
but play really well in doing so.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Coolcat on December 14, 2020, 22:25:21 pm
Currently Munchy on this Board there a few who just cannot stand him as does not play in a way to suit fancy Dan(no pun intended) play. The fact we have not got sufficient quality onboard is ignored and we are endlessly compared with the likes of Accrington Stanley. He is blamed for every ill that falls upon us. The majority of fans just hope we stay in L1 this season and sod the flowing football scene. A few big hitters would rather see us lose but play so 'jolly' well. Nuts to that!  Has Northampton ever been known for fancy Dan football! Should imagine about a total of 2/3 years from 1970. Generall we thrive on a solid defence and competent midfielders plus a decent striker.
but play really well in doing so.
How come I didn't get a cryptic mention?  :D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 14, 2020, 22:25:53 pm
Labouring the point a bit, granted, but I think you will find Munchys post is fairly typical of the impact football clubs achieve when changing managers. Since Keith Curle, Carlisle have failed to improve their standing. Even the current manager Chris Beech is behind Keith Curle on win ratios (38.2 vrs 37.78). What do you imagine the financial impact of all those managerial changes have been with regards to changing the squad, the instability it brings, I could go on and on, and apparently am? What I am trying to repeatedly emphasise is that any change will statistically get the opposite effect to the desired one? What this also means is a change in players and those players will invariably be a lower standard than you would like because you donít have the budget and the downward spiral starts. If you have to fire a manager then at least set some clearly defined failure standards and have a clear criteria for the manager you want to bring in? However, giving all this and understanding that getting rid of a manager rarely works, firing a bloke on a whim because we are a bit boring 17 league games after a promotion is absolute b0ll0cks. I challenge anyone on here to come up with the aforementioned failure standards and a reasonable recruitment criteria for an available manager that currently comes up with a conclusion that gets anywhere near justifying removing Curle? I tell you in advance, donít bother because you wonít manage it? As I said itís thereís no denying that performances on the pitch are important, but changing managers on the back of ďitís currently a bit boringĒ is just plain bonkers. It wasnít boring a Wembley a couple of months ago was it? And please remember this is all taking place in the current context of the financial impact of Covid. FFS get a grip will you, whatís being suggested by many on here currently makes absolutely no sense on any conceivable level? That may change but at the moment it doesnít? If I am wrong then come up with a reasonable case along the lines I have suggested, but you wonít because you canít? Anyway, thereís no point me continually banging on about it, learn the hard way if you must?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 14, 2020, 22:44:45 pm
Hmm. I don't think the majority of cobblers supporters would take Curle's football if it meant winning at all costs in all honestly, but imagine there's a lot in the middle who aren't best pleased with it but are somewhat understanding of the restrictions we're under at the moment.

I'd say that it's probably no worse that Hasselbaink, or Edinburgh, or Rob Page or the second year of Stuart Gray - it's definitely not good to watch, but I'm not exactly expecting that it was going to be good either as we do not do well in League 1 and never have.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on December 14, 2020, 22:47:17 pm
Mr.Curle in.

He is a good manager.

You people on here are softheads.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2020, 22:58:07 pm
How come I didn't get a cryptic mention?  :D

Once read that cryptic comments cause distress, confusion, and above all misunderstandings; so trying to pack it up.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on December 14, 2020, 23:08:37 pm
Labouring the point a bit...... learn the hard way if you must?

Mr.Cobbler.You are deep thinker.

Mr.Curles teams always play good football.

Difference at NTFC?

Survival.

Softheads here do not see money.Donot see players fit.Do not see players problems.

Softheads here all big bully fatbellies with no brain.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 15, 2020, 03:01:30 am
Hmm. I don't think the majority of cobblers supporters would take Curle's football if it meant winning at all costs in all honestly, but imagine there's a lot in the middle who aren't best pleased with it but are somewhat understanding of the restrictions we're under at the moment.

I'd say that it's probably no worse that Hasselbaink, or Edinburgh, or Rob Page or the second year of Stuart Gray - it's definitely not good to watch, but I'm not exactly expecting that it was going to be good either as we do not do well in League 1 and never have.
Not having a go Welly but ďprobably no worse than HasselbainkĒ? Curle won promotion for us last season and has a win ratio of 40%. Hasselbaink won nothing, failed to win any of his last nine games in charge and had us in the relegation zone with a total win ratio of 23.8%. Curle is not not worse than or even equal to Hasselbaink by any reasonable measure I can come up with? However if you can come up with some evidence beyond subjective opinion to contradict this then Iíll be the first to retract all of this? Apologies if I come across as frustrated, but when is someone going to come up with a convincing argument for a sacking in this debate?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 15, 2020, 09:27:51 am
Not having a go Welly but ďprobably no worse than HasselbainkĒ? Curle won promotion for us last season and has a win ratio of 40%. Hasselbaink won nothing, failed to win any of his last nine games in charge and had us in the relegation zone with a total win ratio of 23.8%. Curle is not not worse than or even equal to Hasselbaink by any reasonable measure I can come up with? However if you can come up with some evidence beyond subjective opinion to contradict this then Iíll be the first to retract all of this? Apologies if I come across as frustrated, but when is someone going to come up with a convincing argument for a sacking in this debate?
Maybe some of those who are calling for Curle to go are frustrated because they believe we can play a better more attractive type of football with the players we have AND achieve better results? I assume Curle sets us up to play the way we do because he believes this is our best shot at gaining points and staying in the division.
Me? I dont know, but I am frustrated he doesnt seem to allow the players to take it to the opposition a little more.
Holmes, Marshall, Adams, Rose, Chuk, Sowerby, Missilou, Watson, Harriman, Sheehan, Bolger, and Mills when fit, I think are all good enough to offer us an alternative playing style. Some of the others like Horsefall have also put in better performances recently. Curle seems like a likeable fella to me and deserves respect because of what he's done in the game but it's his tactics I think that many question.
You might argue  we have been 'unlucky' with bookings and sendings off recently, so that will limit options, but there is no doubt tonight is a big game.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 15, 2020, 10:23:05 am
Not having a go Welly but ďprobably no worse than HasselbainkĒ? Curle won promotion for us last season and has a win ratio of 40%. Hasselbaink won nothing, failed to win any of his last nine games in charge and had us in the relegation zone with a total win ratio of 23.8%. Curle is not not worse than or even equal to Hasselbaink by any reasonable measure I can come up with? However if you can come up with some evidence beyond subjective opinion to contradict this then Iíll be the first to retract all of this? Apologies if I come across as frustrated, but when is someone going to come up with a convincing argument for a sacking in this debate?
Well, I'm not advocating for his sacking if it helps, I just can understand why people would start to be, and i'm not 100% convinced the majority of cobblers fans are still behind him. Curles 40%+ win rate puts him down as one of the more succesful managers in our history, which is important context, but that looks a lot less successful if we're looking at the League 1 level results alone that the other managers listed were also charged with facing. I don't personally think hes doing a job anywhere near as poor Hasselbaink did, as he half the budget and missing a lot of the talent Jimmy had to play with... but the results aren't a lot better and I think five or so games in a row with sub 35% possession (admittedly with 10 men for a bulk of it) at the moment doesnt elevate him above the others named at cutting it at League. He's not doing a worse job either though, which was the point I was originally trying to make.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 15, 2020, 10:44:06 am
Well, I'm not advocating for his sacking if it helps, I just can understand why people would start to be, and i'm not 100% convinced the majority of cobblers fans are still behind him. Curles 40%+ win rate puts him down as one of the more succesful managers in our history, which is important context, but that looks a lot less successful if we're looking at the League 1 level results alone that the other managers listed were also charged with facing. I don't personally think hes doing a job anywhere near as poor Hasselbaink did, as he half the budget and missing a lot of the talent Jimmy had to play with... but the results aren't a lot better and I think five or so games in a row with sub 35% possession (admittedly with 10 men for a bulk of it) at the moment doesnt elevate him above the others named at cutting it at League. He's not doing a worse job either though, which was the point I was originally trying to make.

Do a poll then? After the Saturday game?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on December 15, 2020, 11:00:24 am
Labouring the point a bit, granted, but I think you will find Munchys post is fairly typical of the impact football clubs achieve when changing managers. Since Keith Curle, Carlisle have failed to improve their standing. Even the current manager Chris Beech is behind Keith Curle on win ratios (38.2 vrs 37.78). What do you imagine the financial impact of all those managerial changes have been with regards to changing the squad, the instability it brings, I could go on and on, and apparently am? What I am trying to repeatedly emphasise is that any change will statistically get the opposite effect to the desired one? What this also means is a change in players and those players will invariably be a lower standard than you would like because you donít have the budget and the downward spiral starts. If you have to fire a manager then at least set some clearly defined failure standards and have a clear criteria for the manager you want to bring in? However, giving all this and understanding that getting rid of a manager rarely works, firing a bloke on a whim because we are a bit boring 17 league games after a promotion is absolute b0ll0cks. I challenge anyone on here to come up with the aforementioned failure standards and a reasonable recruitment criteria for an available manager that currently comes up with a conclusion that gets anywhere near justifying removing Curle? I tell you in advance, donít bother because you wonít manage it? As I said itís thereís no denying that performances on the pitch are important, but changing managers on the back of ďitís currently a bit boringĒ is just plain bonkers. It wasnít boring a Wembley a couple of months ago was it? And please remember this is all taking place in the current context of the financial impact of Covid. FFS get a grip will you, whatís being suggested by many on here currently makes absolutely no sense on any conceivable level? That may change but at the moment it doesnít? If I am wrong then come up with a reasonable case along the lines I have suggested, but you wonít because you canít? Anyway, thereís no point me continually banging on about it, learn the hard way if you must?

Spot on.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 15, 2020, 11:02:04 am
I really canít see the point in all this.
KC is KTs man
He is under contract and the club canít afford to compete at this level let alone pay off managers...
When the board have always stated that they need extra investment to compete at league one level how can anyone actually expect them to sack and pay off a manager and buy the quality needed to stay in this division.

Letís be honest/realistic here
We know that the required quality of signings will not be purchased in January (we couldnít afford them before the season started and lost out to other clubs)
KC is the yes man who tows the line.
His job will be safe because he does as is told and alternatives will be more expensive and expect a realistic budget to keep us up.
Keith will do as he is told and implement the peanuts + budget that is proving so successful at this level.

The blindingly obvious conclusion is that the club will stick with Keith even after relegation and we will be able to compete at our natural league two level.

It will remain this way until the club is taken over by, in the current owners own words those who can ďtake us to the next levelĒ

Isnít it a pity the extra investment couldnít come from kelvins close friend and self confessed cobblers fan shaquille o neill
I find it funny at a time the board are clamouring for extra investment no one has asked kelvin if he has approached his multi millionaire friend to invest and join the board???



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: cobblertone on December 15, 2020, 11:04:41 am
This thread was probably started when many thought we'd be cut adrift in the relegation zone by now. It hasn't quite transpired and we are just inconsistent with a style of football that isn't very pleasing on the eye. Plus he is on the back of a promotion which has to carry additional goodwill.
He'll get the sack eventually, our managers usually do but we're no where near that point at the moment. Whilst we are picking up wins we'll stay out of trouble.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Knockingonabit on December 15, 2020, 11:24:32 am
Quote
[Maybe some of those who are calling for Curle to go are frustrated because they believe we can play a better more attractive type of football with the players we have AND achieve better results? I assume Curle sets us up to play the way we do because he believes this is our best shot at gaining points and staying in the division.
Me? I dont know, but I am frustrated he doesnt seem to allow the players to take it to the opposition a little more.
Holmes, Marshall, Adams, Rose, Chuk, Sowerby, Missilou, Watson, Harriman, Sheehan, Bolger, and Mills when fit, I think are all good enough to offer us an alternative playing style. Some of the others like Horsefall have also put in better performances recently. Curle seems like a likeable fella to me and deserves respect because of what he's done in the game but it's his tactics I think that many question.
You might argue  we have been 'unlucky' with bookings and sendings off recently, so that will limit options, but there is no doubt tonight is a big game.
/quote]

I agree with all this and you could add McWilliams to the list as well. I have said in conversation we are a second division team masquerading in the first and that we lack quality but analysis of the squad, in my opinion, means we could compete with midtable teams without resorting to the miserable defensive stuff that we have witnessed on far too many occasions this season.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 15, 2020, 11:56:07 am
To lay my cards on the table right from the off, I'm still not in the "Curle Out" camp. That said....

He's properly starting to get on my wick, and the interview in the Chron yesterday sums it all up with his talk of evolution and identity. It's bluster and bullsh1t, designed to blow smoke up everyone's backside and make it seem like our current trevails are all just a part of his masterplan that the mere layman cannot hope to see, woeful shake of head, forgive them for they know not what they do...

I'm realistic in my hopes for this season. Finishing one place above the relegation zone would be a result.

I'm not a purest either. Long ball, physical stuff can be every bit as entertaining as nice, tippy tappy football. I really used to enjoy watching Atkin's much-derided brand of football.

I also understand that we're minnows in this league and if we are up against your Ipswichs, Sunderlands, Charltons, Pompeys and Hulls then we are going to be outgunned and will need to batten down the hatches at times.

Having said that, there is one unalienable truth - you are more likely to win a football match if you at least try and score a goal. We seem content to contain the opposition and hope to nick something from a set piece. Take Saturday as a prime example; nick an early goal from an admittedly very good set piece and then sit back. Not just sitting back a bit though, completely sitting back and inviting wave after wave of pressure. If we were playing one of the aformentioned big boys then OK, I get it, hang on to what you've got but, not being funny, we were playing Crewe. Yes, they are a decent side but they came up with us last year and going into the game were only 2 points above us in the table - we shouldn't be scared of them, for god's sake! Have a go! A nice footballing side like Crewe are the very ones our more direct and physical style is likely to upset, so once you've got a goal and they have to push on a bit more, have a bloody good go at them and try for a second!

Did we do that though? No. We rolled up into a ball like a timid hedgehog and let them give us a good shoeing. They were afforded all the space and time in the world while we cowered away and they were in their element. The winning goal may have taken a while to come but when it did it was certainly deserved.

We simply aren't good enough defensively to play like this. OK, it worked against Fleetwood the other week but there are plently of times already this year where it hasn't and on another day that Fleetwood game would have seen them take something from the game because we were at no point in charge of proceedings, it was just one desperate last ditch challenge or block after the other.

Want to play long ball stuff? Great. Want to play on the counter? Fine. Want to allow the other team lots of possession? OK, possession is one of the most overrated stats in the game, so why not. Want to nullify the opposition? Again, fine if you are actually going to do that, but that involves holding your shape and stopping them playing all over the park, not doing what we do: take up camp in our own half and hope to stop them scoring!

Come on Keith, show some guts - give it a go. Attack on occasion. Show that you have built a team with more about them than a good chin, because however good that chin is, if you land enough punches on it eventually even the toughest fighter is going down.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on December 15, 2020, 12:56:29 pm
I really canít see the point in all this.
KC is KTs man
He is under contract and the club canít afford to compete at this level let alone pay off managers...
When the board have always stated that they need extra investment to compete at league one level how can anyone actually expect them to sack and pay off a manager and buy the quality needed to stay in this division.

Letís be honest/realistic here
We know that the required quality of signings will not be purchased in January (we couldnít afford them before the season started and lost out to other clubs)
KC is the yes man who tows the line.
His job will be safe because he does as is told and alternatives will be more expensive and expect a realistic budget to keep us up.
Keith will do as he is told and implement the peanuts + budget that is proving so successful at this level.

The blindingly obvious conclusion is that the club will stick with Keith even after relegation and we will be able to compete at our natural league two level.

It will remain this way until the club is taken over by, in the current owners own words those who can ďtake us to the next levelĒ

Isnít it a pity the extra investment couldnít come from kelvins close friend and self confessed cobblers fan shaquille o neill
I find it funny at a time the board are clamouring for extra investment no one has asked kelvin if he has approached his multi millionaire friend to invest and join the board???


I don't think we should worry. Because of our 'good housekeeping' we are in a better financial situation than others. At least 4 clubs will go bust and we'll stay up even though finishing bottom.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on December 15, 2020, 13:03:14 pm
To lay my cards on the table right from the off, I'm still not in the "Curle Out" camp. That said....

He's properly starting to get on my wick, and the interview in the Chron yesterday sums it all up with his talk of evolution and identity. It's bluster and bullsh1t, designed to blow smoke up everyone's backside and make it seem like our current trevails are all just a part of his masterplan that the meer layman cannot hope to see, woeful shake of head, forgive them for they know not what they do...

.
So I'm not the only one that thinks this then, even though Evers and his mates say so. His comments are more repetitive than the Tory party Brexit slogans were.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 15, 2020, 13:26:45 pm
So I'm not the only one that thinks this then, even though Evers and his mates say so. His comments are more repetitive than the Tory party Brexit slogans were.

Sounds like your describing Shoey  ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 15, 2020, 13:37:51 pm
I don't think we should worry. Because of our 'good housekeeping' we are in a better financial situation than others. At least 4 clubs will go bust and we'll stay up even though finishing bottom.  ;D ;D ;D

Course we will
 ;) ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 15, 2020, 15:01:00 pm
So I'm not the only one that thinks this then, even though Evers and his mates say so. His comments are more repetitive than the Tory party Brexit slogans were.

Strange comments at least a few support your views! Who are these four clubs destined to go bust? You sound like a remainer?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 15, 2020, 16:02:59 pm
To lay my cards on the table right from the off, I'm still not in the "Curle Out" camp. That said....

He's properly starting to get on my wick, and the interview in the Chron yesterday sums it all up with his talk of evolution and identity. It's bluster and bullsh1t, designed to blow smoke up everyone's backside and make it seem like our current trevails are all just a part of his masterplan that the meer layman cannot hope to see, woeful shake of head, forgive them for they know not what they do...

I'm realistic in my hopes for this season. Finishing one place above the relegation zone would be a result.

I'm not a purest either. Long ball, physical stuff can be every bit as entertaining as nice, tippy tappy football. I really used to enjoy watching Atkin's much-derided brand of football.

I also understand that we're minnows in this league and if we are up against your Ipswichs, Sunderlands, Charltons, Pompeys and Hulls then we are going to be outgunned and will need to batten down the hatches at times.

Having said that, there is one unalienable truth - you are more likely to win a football match if you at least try and score a goal. We seem content to contain the opposition and hope to nick something from a set piece. Take Saturday as a prime example; nick an early goal from an admittedly very good set piece and then sit back. Not just sitting back a bit though, completely sitting back and inviting wave after wave of pressure. If we were playing one of the aformentioned big boys then OK, I get it, hang on to what you've got but, not being funny, we were playing Crewe. Yes, they are a decent side but they came up with us last year and going into the game were only 2 points above us in the table - we shouldn't be scared of them, for god's sake! Have a go! A nice footballing side like Crewe are the very ones our more direct and physical style is likely to upset, so once you've got a goal and they have to push on a bit more, have a bloody good go at them and try for a second!

Did we do that though? No. We rolled up into a ball like a timid hedgehog and let them give us a good shoeing. They were afforded all the space and time in the world while we cowered away and they were in their element. The winning goal may have taken a while to come but when it did it was certainly deserved.

We simply aren't good enough defensively to play like this. OK, it worked against Fleetwood the other week but there are plently of times already this year where it hasn't and on another day that Fleetwood game would have seen them take something from the game because we were at no point in charge of proceedings, it was just one desperate last ditch challenge or block after the other.

Want to play long ball stuff? Great. Want to play on the counter? Fine. Want to allow the other team lots of possession? OK, possession is one of the most overrated stats in the game, so why not. Want to nullify the opposition? Again, fine if you are actually going to do that, but that involves holding your shape and stopping them playing all over the park, not doing what we do: take up camp in our own half and hope to stop them scoring!

Come on Keith, show some guts - give it a go. Attack on occasion. Show that you have built a team with more about them than a good chin, because however good that chin is, if you land enough punches on it eventually even the toughest fighter is going down.

Very well put, in some recent games we have defended really well but if a defence is overworked it will eventually crack. We held out against Fleetwood but not against Crewe.
At times you have to counter attack to make the opponent stop and think, or, you need to keep possession for a while to relieve pressure. We are not good at either at the moment but need to learn, if we do we will all appreciate the defensive play more than we currently do.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 15, 2020, 16:15:59 pm
 Outstanding post BOTN. Whilst getting rid of Curle is nuts, currently he ainít exactly the golden boy either?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on December 15, 2020, 17:14:44 pm
Strange comments at least a few support your views! Who are these four clubs destined to go bust? You sound like a remainer?
To be clear Evers, my comment re repetitive language was directed at KC, not you old chap! Heaven forbid! Regarding the 4 clubs going bust, I don't think any will, but at the beginning of this season we were lead to believe that good housekeeping would save us and we would avoid the fate likely to affect a number of other clubs. That ain't happened yet, has it?

I'm a firm Brexiter by the way. Every few weeks in 1963, whilst doing A level Economics, I wrote essays on why we should not join the Common Market (even if the French let us), and why we should forge a trading alliance with Commonwealth Countries.

Onwards and upwards, let's hope for a good win tonight. Defending won't help much, they're all injured or suspended. So perhaps we'll win 6-5 and any talk of dismal football will be long forgotten.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 15, 2020, 17:43:45 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-encourage-cobblers-play-more-front-foot-after-defending-too-deep-against-crewe-3068053


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 15, 2020, 18:54:45 pm
We get pumped today and should leave..


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 15, 2020, 19:17:29 pm
Keep the faith with Keith
We canít afford to sack him so letís just lower our expectations



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 15, 2020, 21:38:21 pm
WE WANT CURLE OUT SAY WE WANT CURL OUT....


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 15, 2020, 21:44:54 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-encourage-cobblers-play-more-front-foot-after-defending-too-deep-against-crewe-3068053

How did that work out then??  Front foot = no shots on target?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 15, 2020, 21:46:17 pm
No doubt some on here will still want KC to stay!?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 15, 2020, 22:02:35 pm
Players have given up playing for him  :) fu*k off Keith.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 15, 2020, 22:04:31 pm
I want him to stay.
With KT in charge we will not get anyone better...
If we sack KC letís see who would actually want the poisoned chalice...

Please be our new manager...
Ps we havenít got any money for you to buy the players you need to keep us up....

Il get back to you....


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 15, 2020, 22:07:46 pm
Anyone who wants him to stay isnít a Cobblers fan.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 15, 2020, 22:08:30 pm
Anyone who wants him to stay isnít a Cobblers fan.

Neither is anyone who moans!! We're all knackered!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 15, 2020, 22:12:34 pm
Perhaps Mysterious if you think the manager is a clown you should change your name to Mysterious Clown.
This is the clown that turned the ship around 2 seasons ago after we had taken 7 points from the first 10 games. This is the clown that got us promoted last season. This is the clown that took us on a FA Cup run that brought in £750,000. This is the clown that spotted Charlie Goode, who could not hold down a place at Sc***horpe, and developed him into a player that we sold for £1 to £1.5 million. Don't you just love clowns?.  

Interested to know if your thoughts have changed at all?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 15, 2020, 22:18:23 pm
Anyone who wants him to stay isnít a Cobblers fan.
Iím a fan Dan and I want him to stay

We are owned by owners who havenít the financial clout to run us as a league one club.
They spend all their time bumbling on about a redevelopment that wonít be worth two bob when itís done
8,000 seater stadium WOW
If they spent more money on the actual football club than constantly going on about their failed redevelopment thatíd be a start.
Why not have a fans forum regards the football situation and their plans to improve things on the pitch

Sometimes I believe this redevelopment (or adding a couple of boxes and a couple of hundred seats) is actually a very convenient smoke stream that constantly deflects everything away from how they have got themselves millions of pounds in debt whilst being unable to sustain anything other than league two football

Bollox to the redevelopment itís all utter tripe that goes on year after year after year.

Letís forget that and ask what they are going to do about getting in the quality of player needed to build a league one team.
I donít see a fans forum on the horizon if those sort of questions need answering.

KC is todayís fall guy
Theyíll be plenty more after him


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 15, 2020, 22:19:38 pm
Heís lying if he says they havenít Mysterious.

Players have stopped playing for him which is one rare positive. Hopefully Sheehan and Holmes in charge on Saturday.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 15, 2020, 22:24:38 pm
Anyone who wants him to stay isnít a Cobblers fan.
Sorry in advance for the lecture but that sort of comment isnít helpful Dan, donít go down the dictatorial route of Beds and Random. Not if you want your opinions taken seriously? Debate is just that, a debate of different opinions. Otherwise this stops being a forum and becomes a glorified petition?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 15, 2020, 22:29:21 pm
I disagree actually Melbourne. Whatís not helpful is people defending the indefensible. We were fortunate to not get this result on Saturday and deservedly have received it today.

Our manager is 100% not good enough for League 1. The time is now to get rid of him and give us a chance of league 1 stability.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 15, 2020, 22:32:36 pm
But apparently it would be financial suicide to get rid of him in the middle of a pandemic.......I think some are pinning their hopes on Bristol Rovers, Sunderland, Shrewsbury and Swindon all going bust...therefore we survive by default!!  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 15, 2020, 22:39:06 pm
 ;D ;D ;D

The only financial suicide in a pandemic is getting relegated. Sacking Curley will cost less than losing league 1 funding.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 15, 2020, 22:46:12 pm
I disagree actually Melbourne. Whatís not helpful is people defending the indefensible. We were fortunate to not get this result on Saturday and deservedly have received it today.

Our manager is 100% not good enough for League 1. The time is now to get rid of him and give us a chance of league 1 stability.
I agree KC is struggling but getting rid is not the option when the owners are already getting the club millions into debt....
Now fair enough if they wake up tomorrow and decide to pay off the debt they have built up whilst running the club.
Thatís great and what they should be doing
There seems to be no sign of that happening though
All they will do by sacking KC is add to that debt that they have saddled the club with.
Itís alright saying that itís debt thatís owed to us and not the club.
Show it then and write it off.

Otherwise when we next go into administration I think youíll find some poor sod will be expected to write their debt off before buying the club...

I may be wrong but thatís another question that will be skirted around at the fans forum that wonít take place...,
Can you please write off the debt that has been built up under your stewardship
Yes or no....,

Like I say Iím not against KT sacking curle so long as he writes off the current debt rather than adding to it.

If KT expects someone to pay millions of pounds of debt to buy the club he is in cloud cuckoo land
He has accrued much of this debt by not backing managers financially and then sacking one after another causing more debt.
Did the Chinese takeover ever get sorted out ?
If so how?

Iím sorry but Iím only up for sacking KC if the debt slate is wiped clean
Itís just getting silly now and the debt against the club needs wiping clean before the next lot of debt is added to by sacking KC.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 15, 2020, 22:47:40 pm
curle is clueless and his style of football is an embarrassment to this football club.
it was no better last season and we struck lucky over a couple of playoff matches . The rest of the season was dire .
We have played the worst football of all 92 clubs in the football league and listened to the manís pseudo philosophies for too long .
i donít like his arrogance , i donít like his football and i donít want him at this club any longer .
Time to move on and do it before Christmas .


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 15, 2020, 23:00:02 pm
curle is clueless and his style of football is an embarrassment to this football club.
it was no better last season and we struck lucky over a couple of playoff matches . The rest of the season was dire .
We have played the worst football of all 92 clubs in the football league and listened to the manís pseudo philosophies for too long .
i donít like his arrogance , i donít like his football and i donít want him at this club any longer .
Time to move on and do it before Christmas .
+1


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 15, 2020, 23:01:06 pm
You have to ask what hope/expectation/proof is there that he is capable of turning things around? What green shoots are there that we can cling to in the hope that we will eventually blossom?

For me, 116 games into your managerial reign is a tad too late to still be talking of "building something" and "creating an identity"


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 15, 2020, 23:02:55 pm
You have to ask what hope/expectation/proof is there that he is capable of turning things around? What green shoots are there that we can cling to in the hope that we will eventually blossom?

For me, 116 games into your managerial reign is a tad too late to still be talking of "building something" and "creating an identity"
I think that is a valid point


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 15, 2020, 23:07:21 pm
Iím a fan Dan and I want him to stay

We are owned by owners who havenít the financial clout to run us as a league one club.
They spend all their time bumbling on about a redevelopment that wonít be worth two bob when itís done
8,000 seater stadium WOW
If they spent more money on the actual football club than constantly going on about their failed redevelopment thatíd be a start.
Why not have a fans forum regards the football situation and their plans to improve things on the pitch

Sometimes I believe this redevelopment (or adding a couple of boxes and a couple of hundred seats) is actually a very convenient smoke stream that constantly deflects everything away from how they have got themselves millions of pounds in debt whilst being unable to sustain anything other than league two football

Bollox to the redevelopment itís all utter tripe that goes on year after year after year.

Letís forget that and ask what they are going to do about getting in the quality of player needed to build a league one team.
I donít see a fans forum on the horizon if those sort of questions need answering.

KC is todayís fall guy
Theyíll be plenty more after him

You may be surprised mate but I agree with plenty you have said here and across other posts. Our owners silence is one of the things I hate the most about the club these days. Heís clearly not interested which is desperately disappointing. I was at his first public appearance in Jan 2016 and he sold a very positive dream that day. Sadly we arenít close to that dream materialising.

GrangePark has also made a fantastic point and that is that KC cannot be allowed to spout this bo**ocks about an identity. Youíve created that you imbecile and that is the worst football in the 92.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: the grumpy old man on December 15, 2020, 23:11:02 pm
Unless I am missing something I cannot see any post match reaction from KC.

Maybe it's for the best.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 15, 2020, 23:18:05 pm
Identity
DNA
Responsibility
Blah blah blah

Just throw a hand grenade in Keith

I wanted to bring some decent players into the club but wasnít allowed even though theyíd been in to have talks.....

Why not Keith
Go down in a blaze of glory...

Or will you have to sign a confidentiality clause in order to get your payoff  :o  ;)  :)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on December 15, 2020, 23:20:17 pm
Thatís me done then - wasted 50 years of my life, spent £Ks on season tickets, given my self an emotional roller coaster every weekend and Dan says Iím not a fan. Fcuk!

Letís face it NTFC are a 4th division side with a 4th division manager, a 4th division owner, a 4th division ground and a set of 4th division players. Oh, and a set of 4th division supporters as well - us!
Sure, we (more accurately the town/ catchment area) have potential but thatís worth bugger all in the grand scheme of things.

Given all the above, maybe we should just relax and enjoy our brief dalliances with moderate levels of success (getting to the 3rd division for a bit!) and wait for a saviour or a fanatical investor to come along and give us a sustained period of success? Meantime Iím happy to watch my team, cheer them when they win / work their socks off, build myself back up when they disappoint. But, as Dan points out ... Iím not a fan so what the fcuk!

Blue touch paper lit.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: random on December 15, 2020, 23:32:16 pm
KT was 'handed' another opportunity to build NTFC via playoffs, strengthened by the £1m ? selling of a centre-back

Sorry but I can't believe that KC, how ever bad he is, thought that this team would have any chance of staying in L1.

Horsfield is the WORST centre half I have ever seen in an NTFC, he doesn't even have the excuse of being old or overweight.

GK's are both useless, their footwork is absolutely diabolical

A team with Hoskins as the talisman, well  .........

Smith upfront, what a joke

However who in the whole club is any much better?  

Last season KC / KT talked about plans, leaders, really clever planning etc etc. All a pile of crap, simply we benefited from other clubs having to play actual football after a long layoff with little preparation, although we had a good spine of CBs, CM, and ST's and booted it up the pitch.

If it's KC out then surely KT can't be far behind ??  




 
 



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 15, 2020, 23:35:10 pm
KT was 'handed' another opportunity to build NTFC via playoffs, strengthened by the £1m ? selling of a centre-back

Sorry but I can't believe that KC, how ever bad he is, thought that this team would have any chance of staying in L1.

Horsfield is the WORST centre half I have ever seen in an NTFC, he doesn't even have the excuse of being old or overweight.

GK's are both useless, their footwork is absolutely diabolical

A team with Hoskins as the talisman, well  .........

Smith upfront, what a joke

However who in the whole club is any much better?  

Last season KC / KT talked about plans, leaders, really clever planning etc etc. All a pile of crap, simply we benefited from other clubs having to play actual football after a long layoff with little preparation, although we had a good spine of CBs, CM, and ST's and booted it up the pitch.

If it's KC out then surely KT can't be far behind ??  




 
 


+1


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: random on December 15, 2020, 23:37:26 pm


Letís face it NTFC are a 4th division side with a 4th division manager, a 4th division owner, a 4th division ground and a set of 4th division players. Oh, and a set of 4th division supporters as well - us!

A truer word never ever spoke on this forum. Sorry but I do think the supporters are included too because most are very happy to accept and justify the rest of the statement.




Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 15, 2020, 23:38:46 pm
Itís fair to say that KC knew this team wasnít good enough.
He had plenty of decent players in for talks but wasnít given the backing to sign these targets.
Whose fault is that???

If KC is out of his depth as a league one manager then KT is out of his depth as a league one chairman.
One will go and we will be lumbered with the other.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 15, 2020, 23:42:28 pm
https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/20202/december/9_2021_a_reaction/

Ramblings of a desperate man......

Weíve heard it all before Keith.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 15, 2020, 23:44:02 pm




A truer word never ever spoke on this forum. Sorry but I do think the supporters are included too because most are very happy to accept and justify the rest of the statement.




Many of these fans have supported this club through years of 3rd and 4th division struggles, that makes them Premier League supporters in my eyes.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 15, 2020, 23:46:40 pm
https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/20202/december/9_2021_a_reaction/

Ramblings of a desperate man......

Weíve heard it all before Keith.

The words are ok but we need to see some changes on the pitch.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 15, 2020, 23:48:49 pm
Thatís me done then - wasted 50 years of my life, spent £Ks on season tickets, given my self an emotional roller coaster every weekend and Dan says Iím not a fan. Fcuk!

Letís face it NTFC are a 4th division side with a 4th division manager, a 4th division owner, a 4th division ground and a set of 4th division players. Oh, and a set of 4th division supporters as well - us!
Sure, we (more accurately the town/ catchment area) have potential but thatís worth bugger all in the grand scheme of things.

Given all the above, maybe we should just relax and enjoy our brief dalliances with moderate levels of success (getting to the 3rd division for a bit!) and wait for a saviour or a fanatical investor to come along and give us a sustained period of success? Meantime Iím happy to watch my team, cheer them when they win / work their socks off, build myself back up when they disappoint. But, as Dan points out ... Iím not a fan so what the fcuk!

Blue touch paper lit.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion mate, I donít agree but it doesnít make you not a fan.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 15, 2020, 23:48:56 pm
Fine words butter no parsnips


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 15, 2020, 23:55:39 pm
I disagree actually Melbourne. Whatís not helpful is people defending the indefensible. We were fortunate to not get this result on Saturday and deservedly have received it today.

Our manager is 100% not good enough for League 1. The time is now to get rid of him and give us a chance of league 1 stability.
I think you need to understand that what gets said on here wonít influence squat Dan. Whether he goes or stays will not be ďhelpedĒ by either of us? Not so long ago we had an issue with Hasselbaink and replaced him with a more attacking minded manager in the form of Austin? Turned out to be a waste of time and crucially money? If you are to change managers then the vital aspect is who comes next, why and are they available? Other wise you swap the squad from horse sh1t to dog sh1t, accelerate the downward spiral and blow any remaining budget you have? To be fair I gave you an opportunity to voice your opinion on the benchmarks for success and more importantly the criteria for bringing in a new bloke? You choose to ignore all that and accuse anyone who doesnít agree with you of not being a supporter in some childish foot stamping attempt to suppress opinion? This kind of wool headed thinking is what has done for the likes of Bury and all the others that are on the brink? Therefore it could be argued that this boom and bust, hire and fire em, sh1t for brains thinking without care and consideration for consequence is not the mentality of ďrealĒ supporters? Rather itís the mentality of confused glory hunters who have backed the wrong horse in their quest to have the biggest pair of b0ll0cks in the football supporters club? Thatís not true either though is it? People with all sorts of opinion have stood on the Hotel End or West Stand (I wonít say East) come rain or shine? That entitles them to a voice and opinion, it might differ to mine and might cause us to have a right old debate about it on here and elsewhere? The fact that just because their opinion differs to mine will never make me accuse them of not being a supporter. The very fact that they spend hours on here arguing and fretting about our future indicates that they deeply care about the future of the club? As do you and I Dan, we just come at it from different angles? So say I am not a supporter if you wish Dan, but you wonít catch me levelling that accusation at you anytime soon. Just take this into consideration?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on December 15, 2020, 23:56:20 pm
Everyone is entitled to an opinion mate, I donít agree but it doesnít make you not a fan.

Thanks Manny. With my fan status reinstated I can climb into my Cobblers jimjams and go to bed. Tomorrow, as they say, is another day!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on December 15, 2020, 23:58:51 pm
I think you need to understand that what gets said on here wonít influence squat Dan. Whether he goes or stays will not be ďhelpedĒ by either of us? Not so long ago we had an issue with Hasselbaink and replaced him with a more attacking minded manager in the form of Austin? Turned out to be a waste of time and crucially money? If you are to change managers then the vital aspect is who comes next, why and are they available? Other wise you swap the squad from horse sh1t to dog sh1t, accelerate the downward spiral and blow any remaining budget you have? To be fair I gave you an opportunity to voice your opinion on the benchmarks for success and more importantly the criteria for bringing in a new bloke? You choose to ignore all that and accuse anyone who doesnít agree with you of not being a supporter in some childish foot stamping attempt to suppress opinion? This kind of wool headed thinking is what has done for the likes of Bury and all the others that are on the brink? Therefore it could be argued that this boom and bust, hire and fire em, sh1t for brains thinking without care and consideration for consequence is not the mentality of ďrealĒ supporters? Rather itís the mentality of confused glory hunters who have backed the wrong horse in their quest to have the biggest pair of b0ll0cks in the football supporters club? Thatís not true either though is it? People with all sorts of opinion have stood on the Hotel End or West Stand (I wonít say East) come rain or shine? That entitles them to a voice and opinion, it might differ to mine and might cause us to have a right old debate about it on here and elsewhere? The fact that justbbecause their opinion differs to mine will never make me accuse them of not being a supporter. The very fact that they spend hours on here arguing and fretting about our future indicates that they deeply care about the future of the club? As do you and I Dan, we just come at it from different angles? So say I am not a supporter if you wish Dan, but you wonít catch me levelling that accusation at you anytime soon. Just take this into consideration?

+1 (but with more paragraph breaks!)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 16, 2020, 00:00:41 am
Thanks Manny. With my fan status reinstated I can climb into my Cobblers jimjams and go to bed. Tomorrow, as they say, is another day!
Sleep well and for fcuk sake donít think about tonightís match 😂


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on December 16, 2020, 01:01:44 am
Anyone who wants him to stay isnít a Cobblers fan.

Really low comment this. Some people on here have spent years and thousands in money supporting the club over the years and because they have a different opinion to you theyíre not a fan? Have a bit more decorum and respect.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 16, 2020, 06:43:49 am
Folk go on about not replacing the manager because it achieves nothing. Au contraire, it is part of the game, that is why managers have been hired and fired since the game began. They are given a lot of responsibility and in return have to deliver. Be it Arteta at the Arse or Curle at the Cobbs. A new manager brings new ways, ideas and methods. This side is done, it needs that input. There has to be hope, once the trust is lost, you cannot perservere or the fans will fade away. The club will always maintain a group of so many but those around the periphery who represent growth will not follow a bunch of lifeless losers.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 16, 2020, 06:58:26 am
curle questioning the mentality of his players post match.
Maybe so Keith but you brought those players in and put so much emphasis on their mental strength and hunger.
You are the one trying to build a DNA and culture within the club which appears to have progressed very little .
You are the one that stated after the last game that your teams take time to develop into passing footballing teams , but 116 games in your teams play the most negative , uncultured football imaginable .
You are the one that hasnít managed to bring in a decent centre half this season and both goalkeepers look below standard.
Time to stop the pseudo rhetoric and man up to your responsibilities


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 16, 2020, 07:12:01 am
curle questioning the mentality of his players post match.
Maybe so Keith but you brought those players in and put so much emphasis on their mental strength and hunger.
You are the one trying to build a DNA and culture within the club which appears to have progressed very little .
You are the one that stated after the last game that your teams take time to develop into passing footballing teams , but 116 games in your teams play the most negative , uncultured football imaginable .
You are the one that hasnít managed to bring in a decent centre half this season and both goalkeepers look below standard.
Time to stop the pseudo rhetoric and man up to your responsibilities

Agreed. His comments last night were mind numbing.

The guy doesnít have a clue. He was right that there was no fight, but thatís been the case for a fair few games this season. Couple that with zero ability and creativity and we have the worst squad Iíve seen in a long time.

He also still fails to mention the complete dross style of play he serves up. 10 behind the ball, lump up to Smith and hope for a throw in or corner at best.

No hiding behind the absences. 3 maybe 2 of the players out last night would have started. The fans have been screaming about the lack of defensive cover and attacking threat even before KC announced itís a buyers market and there are plenty of good free agents out there...!

Get the clown out.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 16, 2020, 07:14:05 am
Itís fair to say that KC knew this team wasnít good enough.
He had plenty of decent players in for talks but wasnít given the backing to sign these targets.
Whose fault is that???

If KC is out of his depth as a league one manager then KT is out of his depth as a league one chairman.
One will go and we will be lumbered with the other.

Disagree.

Itís public knowledge he has under spent his budget. He has focused on trying to be clever by having great housekeeping!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on December 16, 2020, 07:16:20 am
Agree with Random, good summary of the issues.

In addition by attacking the players Curle is hoping to deflect attention from himself, he is part of the problem,  he reminds me of Boothroyd in his arrogance.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 16, 2020, 07:24:27 am
Let's ride out the COVID-19 crisis, if we are still operating as a football club and able to once again watch Professional League football I'm not too fussed about which division we are in.
We are not sufficiently flushed in the financial department to sack our current manager,.  He wasn't allowed to sign the players he had targeted after our surprise promotion, because of the limited funding available which was tailored based on the lack of prospective income during the crisis.  
How much of last season's (2019-20) buying plan was based on staying another season in the Fourth Division? Our promotion was not necessarily part of and probably put a spanner into the works of that 'long term' plan?
Any new manager will have the same financial constraints placed on him and will be demanding more to replace the current squad to make it 'his own' squad.
KC is a good manager and like any other manager, if given the opportunity to sign the right players, will be able to play/maintain the level 'expected'.  
Sacking our manager at this time is not the answer, I would also argue that it's not necessarily the correct question.  Maintaining a Professional League football team is the answer.  We have the safety net of the Fourth Division in order to give us a better chance of surviving, there are clubs in the Fourth who do not have that safety net.

I don't have to justify or prove to anyone my credentials for being a Cobblers fan.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 16, 2020, 08:02:27 am
Let's ride out the COVID-19 crisis, if we are still operating as a football club and able to once again watch Professional League football I'm not too fussed about which division we are in.
We are not sufficiently flushed in the financial department to sack our current manager,.  He wasn't allowed to sign the players he had targeted after our surprise promotion, because of the limited funding available which was tailored based on the lack of prospective income during the crisis.  
How much of last season's (2019-20) buying plan was based on staying another season in the Fourth Division? Our promotion was not necessarily part of and probably put a spanner into the works of that 'long term' plan?
Any new manager will have the same financial constraints placed on him and will be demanding more to replace the current squad to make it 'his own' squad.
KC is a good manager and like any other manager, if given the opportunity to sign the right players, will be able to play/maintain the level 'expected'.  
Sacking our manager at this time is not the answer, I would also argue that it's not necessarily the correct question.  Maintaining a Professional League football team is the answer.  We have the safety net of the Fourth Division in order to give us a better chance of surviving, there are clubs in the Fourth who do not have that safety net.

I don't have to justify or prove to anyone my credentials for being a Cobblers fan.
I total respect your view mate, I just think itís gone a bit too far for Curle, it looked last night heíd lost the dressing room couple that with Holmes outburst and I think the players hate playing this way as well as the fans hate watching it.
There is absolutely no pace in the side, which for a counter attacking team is a bit of a problem.
I am in two minds as to watch on Saturday, Lincoln are a far better team than Oxford, who donít forget weíre below us in the table before last night.
BUT Curle has an uncanny nack of pulling out results when he needs them so who knows.
Another heavy defeat and it will turn ugly.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 16, 2020, 08:07:08 am
I total respect your view mate, I just think it’s gone a bit too far for Curle, it looked last night he’d lost the dressing room couple that with Holmes outburst and I think the players hate playing this way as well as the fans hate watching it.
There is absolutely no pace in the side, which for a counter attacking team is a bit of a problem.
I am in two minds as to watch on Saturday, Lincoln are a far better team than Oxford, who don’t forget we’re below us in the table before last night.
BUT Curle has an uncanny nack of pulling out results when he needs them so who knows.
Another heavy defeat and it will turn ugly.

I can see and respect both sides of the argument but that's the way I'm going with mine.
Maybe I'm fortunate though, that I'm not watching the games.  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 16, 2020, 08:22:52 am
I tell you what last nights ďentertainment ď was hard viewing and did nothing for my blood pressure 😀


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 16, 2020, 08:25:10 am
Disagree.

Itís public knowledge he has under spent his budget. He has focused on trying to be clever by having great housekeeping!
Oh thatís great news
We can expect a big transfer window in January with all this left over cash that KC didnít spend.
Iíve cheered up no end now
I can see a couple of ex championship defenders , a captain and leader who has been there and done it at the heart of midfield and a couple of league one standard strikers being signed.

Good old kelvin I knew he wouldnít let us down ::) ::)

Get back to me at the end of January when the cheap youth team players with no experience and a couple of loans have turned up.

You canít beat building for the future with a solid foundation.

KC may go but the tide is turning regards KT
Another **** poor excuse for a transfer window along with his dreams of a two bob 8,000 seater stadium un- redevelopment and he will have cooked his own goose.
He will have lost the fans which may not concern him too much but he will also lose their money going forward and that always seems to concentrate the mind.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 16, 2020, 08:36:51 am
Anyone pinning the blame on KT for this mess needs to rethink .
Curle by his own admission had a healthy enough budget to work with but refused to get drawn by certain players .
We also have a comparative or better budget than some teams that have played us off the park this season.
Furthermore , it may have gone unnoticed but there is a pandemic on which has resulted in extreme prudence and quite rightly so .
KT is not responsible for the complete and utter garbage football served up week after week - give it a rest .


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on December 16, 2020, 08:44:22 am
Anyone pinning the blame on KT for this mess needs to rethink .
Curle by his own admission had a healthy enough budget to work with but refused to get drawn by certain players .
We also have a comparative or better budget than some teams that have played us off the park this season.
Furthermore , it may have gone unnoticed but there is a pandemic on which has resulted in extreme prudence and quite rightly so .
KT is not responsible for the complete and utter garbage football served up week after week - give it a rest .

This....although it would be nice to hear from KT as his last meaningful communication was back in September I believe


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 16, 2020, 09:00:49 am
This....although it would be nice to hear from KT as his last meaningful communication was back in September I believe
Now letís take the DC missing millions out of the equation as the debts have been wiped out thanks to the council
Exactly what has KT done to improve us on the pitch that was any better than his predecessor?
As far as I can see all he has done is saddle the club with a massive debt that has yet to be wiped out in much the same way his predecessor did.
The only difference is that KT hasnít shafted the council and the tax payers out of £10 million which still hasnít been recovered.
What has KT achieved regards the doing up of the east stand that DC didnít manage?

Iím all for KT attempting to make a profit as Iíve stated many times but heís nowhere near achieving this and in reality has achieved nothing more than DC.
There comes a time when enough enough and you doubt anything will improve
Thatís where I am at the moment.
At least DC turned up in the broom cupboard now and again
KT hasnít been heard of since the start of the season and isnít even in the country nowadays.




Is that not a fair comment?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 16, 2020, 09:05:50 am
Fair comment and hard to argue with much of it.

I would guess/hope that due to his Oxford connections KT did at least watch last nights "show"....... I wonder what he made of it?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 16, 2020, 09:23:59 am
Fair comment and hard to argue with much of it.

I would guess/hope that due to his Oxford connections KT did at least watch last nights "show"....... I wonder what he made of it?
Letís not kid ourselves KT couldnít give two hoots about NTFC, thatís obvious, weíve heard from him once in 6 months moaning that the council wonít give him the keys to the land deal.
Heís racked up £5+m debt that he can cream off the top of any land profit to break even.
What I donít like about him is the supercilious way he talks down to people as if weíre all fcuking stupid.
The guy has an ego the size of Florida BUT to absolve him from any responsibility is wrong he is the man in charge, the buck stops at his door.
I get he doesnít pick the team or the style of play but he does get to choose who does and on that score he ainít doing so well.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 16, 2020, 09:24:39 am
Anyone pinning the blame on KT for this mess needs to rethink .
Curle by his own admission had a healthy enough budget to work with but refused to get drawn by certain players .
We also have a comparative or better budget than some teams that have played us off the park this season.
Furthermore , it may have gone unnoticed but there is a pandemic on which has resulted in extreme prudence and quite rightly so .
KT is not responsible for the complete and utter garbage football served up week after week - give it a rest .

Exactly this. Not sure where Shoemaker is coming from with his anti KT agenda.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 16, 2020, 09:37:14 am
Oh thatís great news
We can expect a big transfer window in January with all this left over cash that KC didnít spend.
Iíve cheered up no end now
I can see a couple of ex championship defenders , a captain and leader who has been there and done it at the heart of midfield and a couple of league one standard strikers being signed.

Good old kelvin I knew he wouldnít let us down ::) ::)

Get back to me at the end of January when the cheap youth team players with no experience and a couple of loans have turned up.

You canít beat building for the future with a solid foundation.

KC may go but the tide is turning regards KT
Another **** poor excuse for a transfer window along with his dreams of a two bob 8,000 seater stadium un- redevelopment and he will have cooked his own goose.
He will have lost the fans which may not concern him too much but he will also lose their money going forward and that always seems to concentrate the mind.

To put it in layman's terms, I'll even make it festive for you...

It's like me giving you £40 to go and buy a Christmas turkey to feed 10 people. You think you're clever and decide to spend £20 on a 6 person turkey and save the rest for a bit of housekeeping. Christmas day comes and everyone goes hungry as there isn't enough turkey.

Strangely you think it would be my fault, whereas the majority think it's yours.

Your argument is essentially that I should have given you more than £40 which would have given us a bigger turkey than needed, doesn't really make sense to me?

Swap turkey for player costs.
Swap people for competitive league 1 budget.

Bingo.

That not even mentioning the £ you pissed up the wall buying nut roasts and all that vegan s***e.

Swap nut roasts and vegan s***e for Seal, Horsfall, Korboa, Mitchell etc..


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 16, 2020, 09:38:13 am
Let's ride out the COVID-19 crisis, if we are still operating as a football club and able to once again watch Professional League football I'm not too fussed about which division we are in.
We are not sufficiently flushed in the financial department to sack our current manager,.  He wasn't allowed to sign the players he had targeted after our surprise promotion, because of the limited funding available which was tailored based on the lack of prospective income during the crisis.  
How much of last season's (2019-20) buying plan was based on staying another season in the Fourth Division? Our promotion was not necessarily part of and probably put a spanner into the works of that 'long term' plan?
Any new manager will have the same financial constraints placed on him and will be demanding more to replace the current squad to make it 'his own' squad.
KC is a good manager and like any other manager, if given the opportunity to sign the right players, will be able to play/maintain the level 'expected'.  
Sacking our manager at this time is not the answer, I would also argue that it's not necessarily the correct question.  Maintaining a Professional League football team is the answer.  We have the safety net of the Fourth Division in order to give us a better chance of surviving, there are clubs in the Fourth who do not have that safety net.

I don't have to justify or prove to anyone my credentials for being a Cobblers fan.

I get what you are saying and I'm quite conflicted. I've very much been of the same opinion, but it's getting harder and harder to keep an objective level head on matters when you are watching the matches.

Not having a dig at all, but as you point out you haven't been watching the games and I think that's the difference because if you are only seeing the results and the table then it might be easy to say "well, that's about what you'd expect". It's not just the results though, if you see the state of the performances they are so bad and seemingly getting worse by the game. We're on a slippery slope and if the current trajectory continues we are going to become the whipping boys of the league.

Like you say, survival as a club has to be the priority and we do have the safety net of League 2 below us, but if we do end up getting relegated (and make no mistake, we are very much in a relegation dogfight already) then I'd rather we went down fighting between now and the end of the season than see another set of woeful, lazy, prideless capitulations like we saw last night.

If Curle can deliver that, throw caution to the wind and give it a real go then fine, let him get on with it. If he can't bring himself to do that then I'm starting to think he ought to go.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 16, 2020, 09:50:29 am
To put it in layman's terms, I'll even make it festive for you...

It's like me giving you £40 to go and buy a Christmas turkey to feed 10 people. You think you're clever and decide to spend £20 on a 6 person turkey and save the rest for a bit of housekeeping. Christmas day comes and everyone goes hungry as there isn't enough turkey.

Strangely you think it would be my fault, whereas the majority think it's yours.

Your argument is essentially that I should have given you more than £40 which would have given us a bigger turkey than needed, doesn't really make sense to me?

Swap turkey for player costs.
Swap people for competitive league 1 budget.

Bingo.

That not even mentioning the £ you pissed up the wall buying nut roasts and all that vegan s***e.

Swap nut roasts and vegan s***e for Seal, Horsfall, Korboa, Mitchell etc..
That would be the picture if you believe what you have been told.
I think Shoemaker is suggesting it's not quite as transparent as that and that KC has become a bit of a patsy for KT. signing confidentiality agreements which prevent him from telling the full budgetary story.
Who knows, stranger things have happened.
I know if I was KT and was watching the crap served up atm I wouldnt be happy that my manager was sitting on the funds given to him instead of spending them.
Perhaps KC will get binned by KT for being to prudent. Wouldn't that be a thing?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2020, 10:04:32 am
To put it in layman's terms, I'll even make it festive for you...

It's like me giving you £40 to go and buy a Christmas turkey to feed 10 people. You think you're clever and decide to spend £20 on a 6 person turkey and save the rest for a bit of housekeeping. Christmas day comes and everyone goes hungry as there isn't enough turkey.

Strangely you think it would be my fault, whereas the majority think it's yours.

Your argument is essentially that I should have given you more than £40 which would have given us a bigger turkey than needed, doesn't really make sense to me?

Swap turkey for player costs.
Swap people for competitive league 1 budget.

Bingo.

That not even mentioning the £ you pissed up the wall buying nut roasts and all that vegan s***e.

Swap nut roasts and vegan s***e for Seal, Horsfall, Korboa, Mitchell etc..

Interesting post and didnít think you had it in you! So well done and look fwd to similar comments🙏👍
Bit hard on Mitchell😹


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2020, 10:27:16 am
I think you need to understand that what gets said on here wonít influence squat Dan. Whether he goes or stays will not be ďhelpedĒ by either of us? Not so long ago we had an issue with Hasselbaink and replaced him with a more attacking minded manager in the form of Austin? Turned out to be a waste of time and crucially money? If you are to change managers then the vital aspect is who comes next, why and are they available? Other wise you swap the squad from horse sh1t to dog sh1t, accelerate the downward spiral and blow any remaining budget you have? To be fair I gave you an opportunity to voice your opinion on the benchmarks for success and more importantly the criteria for bringing in a new bloke? You choose to ignore all that and accuse anyone who doesnít agree with you of not being a supporter in some childish foot stamping attempt to suppress opinion? This kind of wool headed thinking is what has done for the likes of Bury and all the others that are on the brink? Therefore it could be argued that this boom and bust, hire and fire em, sh1t for brains thinking without care and consideration for consequence is not the mentality of ďrealĒ supporters? Rather itís the mentality of confused glory hunters who have backed the wrong horse in their quest to have the biggest pair of b0ll0cks in the football supporters club? Thatís not true either though is it? People with all sorts of opinion have stood on the Hotel End or West Stand (I wonít say East) come rain or shine? That entitles them to a voice and opinion, it might differ to mine and might cause us to have a right old debate about it on here and elsewhere? The fact that just because their opinion differs to mine will never make me accuse them of not being a supporter. The very fact that they spend hours on here arguing and fretting about our future indicates that they deeply care about the future of the club? As do you and I Dan, we just come at it from different angles? So say I am not a supporter if you wish Dan, but you wonít catch me levelling that accusation at you anytime soon. Just take this into consideration?

Great reading and would have thought that Uncle Dan would have got a big Ouch! Dan has been a great fan and spent many matches as a focal point for rallying the Ďtroopsí at games! Can remember two old Ladies joining in the chanting/clapping. Itís a complete mystery to me why he has allowed himself to be overwhelmed by personal feelings. Now is the time for him to take up the challenge to rally demoralised fans - wonít be easy!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2020, 10:29:26 am
Let's ride out the COVID-19 crisis, if we are still operating as a football club and able to once again watch Professional League football I'm not too fussed about which division we are in.
We are not sufficiently flushed in the financial department to sack our current manager,.  He wasn't allowed to sign the players he had targeted after our surprise promotion, because of the limited funding available which was tailored based on the lack of prospective income during the crisis.  
How much of last season's (2019-20) buying plan was based on staying another season in the Fourth Division? Our promotion was not necessarily part of and probably put a spanner into the works of that 'long term' plan?
Any new manager will have the same financial constraints placed on him and will be demanding more to replace the current squad to make it 'his own' squad.
KC is a good manager and like any other manager, if given the opportunity to sign the right players, will be able to play/maintain the level 'expected'.  
Sacking our manager at this time is not the answer, I would also argue that it's not necessarily the correct question.  Maintaining a Professional League football team is the answer.  We have the safety net of the Fourth Division in order to give us a better chance of surviving, there are clubs in the Fourth who do not have that safety net.

I don't have to justify or prove to anyone my credentials for being a Cobblers fan.

Another great read and very plausible too. Congrats 👍


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2020, 10:45:26 am
Folk go on about not replacing the manager because it achieves nothing. Au contraire, it is part of the game, that is why managers have been hired and fired since the game began. They are given a lot of responsibility and in return have to deliver. Be it Arteta at the Arse or Curle at the Cobbs. A new manager brings new ways, ideas and methods. This side is done, it needs that input. There has to be hope, once the trust is lost, you cannot perservere or the fans will fade away. The club will always maintain a group of so many but those around the periphery who represent growth will not follow a bunch of lifeless losers.

Club is looking for suitable person to host the Players Christmas party. It might be you ::)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 16, 2020, 11:11:32 am
Sammo as interim manager through to the end of the season. You heard it here first! (because I just made it up ;D)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on December 16, 2020, 11:15:47 am
I hear all this "We can't afford to sack KC", OK don't sack him, just swap him and Jon Brady. It might knacker the U18's this season but the 1st team would stand a chance of staying up.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 16, 2020, 11:39:09 am
the point is , anything and i mean anything is better than the football we are playing .
Change the manager from within so it doesnít cost anything . Nothing could be worst .


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 16, 2020, 11:56:16 am
That would be the picture if you believe what you have been told.
I think Shoemaker is suggesting it's not quite as transparent as that and that KC has become a bit of a patsy for KT. signing confidentiality agreements which prevent him from telling the full budgetary story.
Who knows, stranger things have happened.
I know if I was KT and was watching the crap served up atm I wouldnt be happy that my manager was sitting on the funds given to him instead of spending them.
Perhaps KC will get binned by KT for being to prudent. Wouldn't that be a thing?
I have no idea if their are confidentiality clauses in Keithís contract but itís common practice to insert one when paying someone off so that they canít come out and tell things that went on during their time at a club.
Managers are overjoyed to agree to this as long as they get the all important cash.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 16, 2020, 12:04:02 pm
Exactly this. Not sure where Shoemaker is coming from with his anti KT agenda.
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Iíve no anti KT agenda and have said many times that Iím happy for him to try and turn a profit.
The fact is I feel he has achieved no more than his predecessor in advancing us on or off the pitch.
He has been here long enough and accrued enough debt with nothing to show for it other than a sub standard team and a ground that is in no better condition than the day he got here....

There has to be a time limit as regards his tenure when there is absolutely no progress on or off the pitch.

Are fans expected to accept the club stagnating and in limbo under him for an unspecified amount of time because correct me if Iím wrong another year has passed,nobody has any idea when any work on our state of the art 8,000 capacity ground will start and anyone of sound mind can see the council will not budge until money is spent on tarting the ground up.

Is that not where we are in reality?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 16, 2020, 12:53:16 pm
 ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 16, 2020, 12:58:57 pm
I hear all this "We can't afford to sack KC", OK don't sack him, just swap him and Jon Brady. It might knacker the U18's this season but the 1st team would stand a chance of staying up.
And why would Jon give up a secure position for one where he gets the sack if he fails?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on December 16, 2020, 13:28:05 pm
Sammo as interim manager through to the end of the season. You heard it here first! (because I just made it up ;D)
Not a bad idea. I can't remember everything about his tenure but I'm pretty sure it was better fare than what's being provided now.

Alternatively, swap the Cobblers and Saints coaches. They both couldn't do much worse by swapping codes. Might bring some attacking flair to the Cobblers and Curle would probably be quite good at bringing the 'fundamentals and identity' to the oval ball game. They'd both still keep losing in time added on though.  ::)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 16, 2020, 14:36:51 pm
KC is still in charge then.......


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on December 16, 2020, 19:39:58 pm
Silly question, of course he is still in charge. Oh you also forgot the ?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 16, 2020, 20:08:41 pm
Silly question, of course he is still in charge. Oh you also forgot the ?
No need for a question mark.
It was a statement not a question.  ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: WadeyCobbler on December 16, 2020, 22:39:35 pm
The Lincoln game is crucial now. We need a reaction and a winning performance to save our season and save KC. I've been a long time supporter of KC but right now the warning lights are flashing. I will be there on Saturday to finally witness this team first hand. With a fully fit squad we could just have enough to stay up, getting Sheehan back on the pitch will be a massive boost. If we can stay out of the bottom four and sign a couple in January, the second half of the season may be a more enjoyable affair.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Zen Master on December 17, 2020, 08:16:17 am
Convincing Holmes & Sheehan to stay until the end of the season could be the difference between up or down. Possible few additions as well at the back and still lacking quality in Centre mid and forward line.

If there are 4 worse teams than us then thatís a successful season. Not sure who those teams are though


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 17, 2020, 09:52:19 am
Convincing Holmes & Sheehan to stay until the end of the season could be the difference between up or down. Possible few additions as well at the back and still lacking quality in Centre mid and forward line.

If there are 4 worse teams than us then thatís a successful season. Not sure who those teams are though

Wigan, Burton, Swindon and Milton Keynes/Plymouth. not us 😈


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 17, 2020, 17:15:09 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-warns-towns-weak-characters-stop-sulking-and-start-delivering-after-collapsing-against-oxford-united-3070816

Anyone want to hazard a guess at who the "sulking faces" are?

Obviously not the likes of Horsfall, Hoskins or Harriman who are regular starters, and not players such as Dyche, Holmes, Smith or even Arnold.  Those who were given a chance would be Lines, Rose, Missilou perhaps even Watson who had been out of the side. Adams too maybe?

Be interesting to see how players react on Saturday, the vast majority of those players will be involved again purely on the basis that there isn't anyone else!



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 17, 2020, 17:43:44 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-warns-towns-weak-characters-stop-sulking-and-start-delivering-after-collapsing-against-oxford-united-3070816

Anyone want to hazard a guess at who the "sulking faces" are?

Obviously not the likes of Horsfall, Hoskins or Harriman who are regular starters, and not players such as Dyche, Holmes, Smith or even Arnold.  Those who were given a chance would be Lines, Rose, Missilou perhaps even Watson who had been out of the side. Adams too maybe?

Be interesting to see how players react on Saturday, the vast majority of those players will be involved again purely on the basis that there isn't anyone else!


Guess we will find out if he has ďlostĒ the dressing room or not.
What the fcuk Marshall has done to be left out in the cold?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 17, 2020, 17:48:45 pm
Guess we will find out if he has ďlostĒ the dressing room or not.
What the fcuk Marshall has done to be left out in the cold?

Gave the ball away and cost us a goal the other week......


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on December 17, 2020, 19:51:06 pm
His Oxford post match interview can be heard in full here...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08zypkt (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08zypkt)

Starts at 6 minutes 44 seconds precisely!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 17, 2020, 20:14:14 pm
He sounds like David Brent.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 18, 2020, 09:11:15 am
i am predicting Curle to be sacked over Christmas .
Players not behind him and he has thrown them under the bus .
Someone will break ranks .
It is an unhappy ship


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 18, 2020, 09:16:35 am
I predict the end of jan so we canít get any decent players in.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 18, 2020, 09:33:29 am
Donít hold your breath, KC ainít going anywhere. I predict minimal financial spending until Covid is resolved? Financial longevity was clearly the overriding priority, and that strategy wonít change anytime soon, irrespective of what happens on the pitch? Iíll be amazed if it turns out otherwise.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 18, 2020, 10:27:39 am
Donít hold your breath, KC ainít going anywhere. I predict minimal financial spending until Covid is resolved? Financial longevity was clearly the overriding priority, and that strategy wonít change anytime soon, irrespective of what happens on the pitch? Iíll be amazed if it turns out otherwise.
I must admit I fully expect us to go down without making any effort to stay up


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 18, 2020, 12:20:21 pm
Donít hold your breath, KC ainít going anywhere. I predict minimal financial spending until Covid is resolved? Financial longevity was clearly the overriding priority, and that strategy wonít change anytime soon, irrespective of what happens on the pitch? Iíll be amazed if it turns out otherwise.
i wonít
i think he is at the last drink saloon .
He has been there before though and has a knack of getting a result .


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 18, 2020, 12:25:50 pm
i am predicting Curle to be sacked over Christmas .
Players not behind him and he has thrown them under the bus .
Someone will break ranks .
It is an unhappy ship

Agreed B&S. All the signs are that the end is very nigh.

Also can see him getting a result tomorrow to delay the inevitable slightly.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2020, 12:32:36 pm
I must admit I fully expect us to go down without making any effort to stay up

Well you would! As with the Trust you had significant issues and left. Now you on here big time with your persistent negativity. You will be disappointed to be proved wrong?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 18, 2020, 12:45:08 pm
Well you would! As with the Trust you had significant issues and left. Now you on here big time with your persistent negativity. You will be disappointed to be proved wrong?
Letís see where we are when the window closes.
We all agree this team is desperately short of quality in all areas that it will take a lot of money to try and keep us up.
Il believe it when I see it.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2020, 12:51:52 pm
He sounds like David Brent.

Under the circumstances I thought the interview was typical of a manager under some pressure. By the end he appeared to be resolute and determined. The amount of time you take to express your personal dislike of the current manager is extraordinary. Does he owe you money or similar? You never offer a constructive comment on how we get out of the current poor form.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 18, 2020, 13:11:23 pm
Under the circumstances I thought the interview was typical of a manager under some pressure. By the end he appeared to be resolute and determined. The amount of time you take to express your personal dislike of the current manager is extraordinary. Does he owe you money or similar? You never offer a constructive comment on how we get out of the current poor form.
Il give you a constructive comment.
The owners need to bite the bullet spend a lot of money bringing the squad up to league one standard with half a dozen quality signings or spend nothing and just accept certain relegation.
We are currently getting battered every week and canít even put out a team capable of having 50% possession.
We have a poor defence with no one on a long contract ,Bolger and Sheehan arenít under contract next season and we are currently pinning our hopes on them.
We need much better defenders and strikers who are good enough for this level.
We currently have none and insist on playing a young player who refused to sign for us in the hope that the more appearances the more money we will receive...
The fact he isnít up the to league one standard is secondary.
If we were a proper club we would buy a couple of proven league one strikers , tell chuks to sign and loan him out or to not turn up for training and let him leave.

It all seems to have gone quiet on chuks signing talks but we still give him a platform to show himself off.
Heís currently league two standard but some on here think heís pele.
If he doesnít want to be here donít play him.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 18, 2020, 13:18:00 pm
Agreed B&S. All the signs are that the end is very nigh.

Also can see him getting a result tomorrow to delay the inevitable slightly.
Agree Dan, l think if he gets a result tomorrow then he still has the dressing room, conversely if we take a spanking then it could and should be his last game.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 18, 2020, 13:21:43 pm
when you start calling players out for sulking and not putting effort in but the tactics you employ are restrictive and fail to allow players to breathe - you are on a desperate footing .
Those players are probably being asked to do jobs they dont want to do but are being criticised for it .
The camp sounds very unhappy and curle has burnt his bridges .
He will be gone shortly


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 18, 2020, 13:52:22 pm
He's in the Chron having a pop at his midfielders today. Not saying any of them put in a good performance on Tuesday night, but it's pretty difficult for them to impose themselves on the game when they spend 90% of the time watching the ball sail over their heads.

By the end we appeared to be playing in a 4-2-4 formation so it's hardly surprising they were overrun. I say "appeared" because to be honest it was very tricky to see who was meant to be playing where during the second half...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 18, 2020, 14:57:24 pm
He's in the Chron having a pop at his midfielders today. Not saying any of them put in a good performance on Tuesday night, but it's pretty difficult for them to impose themselves on the game when they spend 90% of the time watching the ball sail over their heads.

By the end we appeared to be playing in a 4-2-4 formation so it's hardly surprising they were overrun. I say "appeared" because to be honest it was very tricky to see who was meant to be playing where during the second half...

So are we going for Sowerby, Watson, Lines and Holmes as the fall guys seeing as "none of them played a forward pass"......? Ties in too with the fact that Watson and Lines had been out of the team, got their chance and in Curles eyes failed to deliver after feeling sorry for themselves because they weren't in the starting 11......

Surely you don't just get four midfielders who independently decide to all play defensively on the night?  Isn't it more likely they were "told" to play this way?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 18, 2020, 15:14:49 pm
some of them may well be working extra hard in a rubbish formation or tactical style and so when they are accused of doing nothing it must be hard to stomach .


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 18, 2020, 15:17:53 pm
Have no say the irony of him criticising our midfield did make me chuckle the other day when I read the farcical interview.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 18, 2020, 15:45:17 pm
Agreed B&S. All the signs are that the end is very nigh.

Also can see him getting a result tomorrow to delay the inevitable slightly.

Curle is a master of getting results when the pressure is on. I also wouldn't be surprised if we get a win tomorrow, then at struggling Ipswich and home to Gillingham. Then he'll be back in the good books  ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 18, 2020, 16:04:55 pm
Curle is a master of getting results when the pressure is on. I also wouldn't be surprised if we get a win tomorrow, then at struggling Ipswich and home to Gillingham. Then he'll be back in the good books  ;)

If we take 9 points from those games he'll bloody deserve to keep his job!!!  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on December 18, 2020, 16:13:24 pm
Curle is a master of getting results when the pressure is on. I also wouldn't be surprised if we get a win tomorrow, then at struggling Ipswich and home to Gillingham. Then he'll be back in the good books  ;)
I would be very happy to get these results, and so should you. It would mean we've turned the corner.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Coolcat on December 18, 2020, 16:45:37 pm
If we take 9 points from those games he'll bloody deserve to keep his job!!!  ;D
Yeah, but apart from beating Lincoln, Ipswich and Gillingham...what has Curle ever done for us?  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2020, 16:59:26 pm
Yeah, but apart from beating Lincoln, Ipswich and Gillingham...what has Curle ever done for us?  ;D

ouch  :o


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2020, 17:24:43 pm
So are we going for Sowerby, Watson, Lines and Holmes as the fall guys seeing as "none of them played a forward pass"......? Ties in too with the fact that Watson and Lines had been out of the team, got their chance and in Curles eyes failed to deliver after feeling sorry for themselves because they weren't in the starting 11......

Surely you don't just get four midfielders who independently decide to all play defensively on the night?  Isn't it more likely they were "told" to play this way?

He was right to criticise the midfield as the game I was watching they collectively failed to impress. Lines did not register at all, Sowerby went awol. Watson for me was the pick of a poor bunch although his passing was hit and miss. Holmes was  'much ado about nothing'. So much depends on him to get us motoring! As the Chron says Lines is unlikely to figure again.   


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 18, 2020, 17:31:09 pm
He was right to criticise the midfield as the game I was watching they collectively failed to impress. Lines did not register at all, Sowerby went awol. Watson for me was the pick of a poor bunch although his passing was hit and miss. Holmes was  'much ado about nothing'. So much depends on him to get us motoring! As the Chron says Lines is unlikely to figure again.   

Others, who watched it, were saying that the airborne method of defence (the hoof ball) didn't allow the midfield to have an influence?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 18, 2020, 17:46:12 pm
I would be very happy to get these results, and so should you. It would mean we've turned the corner.

Don't worry I would be very happy.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on December 18, 2020, 19:34:16 pm
OK, I am normally a lurker on threads such as this, but I want to make an observation.
It would appear there a few on here that would almost be happy for us to go down and Curle to remain in charge of our yo-yo team.
Others would want him gone sooner than later, coming out with such comments as "tactically inept, lost the dressing room, going to take us down".
Others blame the lack of investment by the owners, poor transfers etc.
Not many seem to be pointing the fickle finger of fate at the players. From what I have observed on an at times very sketchy I-Player is players who are here for no other reason than the paycheck at the end of the month. They couldn't give a flying fúck about the result, the team or their own performance and are most likely trying to line themselves up a deal for the January tranfer window. With players like that in the side we're doomed(imagine this in a Scottish accent).
I would rather see the subs bench start every week and play their hearts out than the dross served up by players whose belief in their abilities is far outweighs what they are actually capable of producing.
In the real world these players who under perform would be shít canned from a normal job.
Having said that the same would apply to Curle. As a manager his main task is to get the best out of his players in order to produce results(This whole thing of paying out an under performer for the length of his contract is so very wrong).
So we come to options.

1. Dump Curle now and see if a new manager can get something out of these prima donnas(I would assume that there will be no money available in January).

2. Give Curle a suitcase frull of cash in January and tell him fill his boots(very unlikely).

3. Give Curle the chance in January to off load the hangers on and get some long term loanees in to take us to the end of a relegation avoiding season.

4. Carry on as we are and rely on other teams going to the wall to keep us up as some on here have suggested might happen.

For me option three would be the way to go, but I am concerned about January. I honestly can't see it going any other way.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 18, 2020, 19:39:23 pm
Curle is a master of getting results when the pressure is on. I also wouldn't be surprised if we get a win tomorrow, then at struggling Ipswich and home to Gillingham. Then he'll be back in the good books  ;)

Iíd love nothing more than 9 points from these three games TP  :)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 18, 2020, 20:13:00 pm
Live Aid were the Christmas number 1
Dave  Bassett was a football guru
You could tuck your jumper in your jeans .
You could even order a snake bite down The Keep in Kingsthorpe ....
..... the last time tactics like ours were remotely successful .
You canít survive on manning up and energy levels alone .
Methods have changed .
Have we a CEO strong enough to make a change or will Kelvin have to awake from a slumber and take an interest to make it happen


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on December 18, 2020, 20:31:18 pm
OK, I am normally a lurker on threads such as this, but I want to make an observation.
It would appear there a few on here that would almost be happy for us to go down and Curle to remain in charge of our yo-yo team.
Others would want him gone sooner than later, coming out with such comments as "tactically inept, lost the dressing room, going to take us down".
Others blame the lack of investment by the owners, poor transfers etc.
Not many seem to be pointing the fickle finger of fate at the players. From what I have observed on an at times very sketchy I-Player is players who are here for no other reason than the paycheck at the end of the month. They couldn't give a flying fķck about the result, the team or their own performance and are most likely trying to line themselves up a deal for the January tranfer window. With players like that in the side we're doomed(imagine this in a Scottish accent).
I would rather see the subs bench start every week and play their hearts out than the dross served up by players whose belief in their abilities is far outweighs what they are actually capable of producing.
In the real world these players who under perform would be shŪt canned from a normal job.
Having said that the same would apply to Curle. As a manager his main task is to get the best out of his players in order to produce results(This whole thing of paying out an under performer for the length of his contract is so very wrong).
So we come to options.

1. Dump Curle now and see if a new manager can get something out of these prima donnas(I would assume that there will be no money available in January).

2. Give Curle a suitcase frull of cash in January and tell him fill his boots(very unlikely).

3. Give Curle the chance in January to off load the hangers on and get some long term loanees in to take us to the end of a relegation avoiding season.

4. Carry on as we are and rely on other teams going to the wall to keep us up as some on here have suggested might happen.

For me option three would be the way to go, but I am concerned about January. I honestly can't see it going any other way.



5. Wait until Sheff.United sack Wilder and Knill, then sack Curle and get on the phone to Chris within 30 seconds!!!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on December 18, 2020, 20:37:04 pm
KC's interview after Oxford is certainly very different from most others that have gone before. He talks about a lack of leadership and fight and suggests players are "sulking". This doesn't sound good when week after week he has praised the fight in the team and the team spirit in the whole squad. As he also has supposedly signed "characters and leaders" it is even more concerning that he is now saying we lack both (although most fans already knew it).

I'm still hopeful he can pull it round and keep us up but when usually tight-lipped managers like KC start letting fly at players you know things are not in a good place. I hope there's a big reaction tomorrow and he'll prove us wrong again!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on December 18, 2020, 20:37:32 pm
I don't know why anyone on here is expecting us to do any better than we currently are. We've got a reasonable League 2 squad and this is the best we can expect.
Bower is a rich man but he's worked hard for his money and there's no reason he should toss it all away at a club he has no infinity for without any prospect of a return. Sacking Curle and appointing another manger with similar credentials would waste money that could be spent on players to help get us to mid table safety.
Some of you have really got to get this cult of manager out of your heads. They are all coaches that work within the budgets they have and follow the same pretty tough FA coaching courses they've all studied in order to get the badges to do the job. It's football, not rocket science or voodoo. If Wayne Rooney can do it at Championship level then who can't?
We've had nine managers in as many years, let's try sticking with a manager through the good and not so good times, it can't be any worse than the current policy.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on December 18, 2020, 20:50:21 pm
I don't know why anyone on here is expecting us to do any better than we currently are. We've got a reasonable League 2 squad and this is the best we can expect.
Bower is a rich man but he's worked hard for his money and there's no reason he should toss it all away at a club he has no infinity for without any prospect of a return. Sacking Curle and appointing another manger with similar credentials would waste money that could be spent on players to help get us to mid table safety.
Some of you have really got to get this cult of manager out of your heads. They are all coaches that work within the budgets they have and follow the same pretty tough FA coaching courses they've all studied in order to get the badges to do the job. It's football, not rocket science or voodoo. If Wayne Rooney can do it at Championship level then who can't?
We've had nine managers in as many years, let's try sticking with a manager through the good and not so good times, it can't be any worse than the current policy.

Would you advocate retaining a manager for maybe five or six years in an attempt to build a side that can perform at a higher level?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 18, 2020, 20:54:02 pm
I don't know why anyone on here is expecting us to do any better than we currently are. We've got a reasonable League 2 squad and this is the best we can expect.
Bower is a rich man but he's worked hard for his money and there's no reason he should toss it all away at a club he has no infinity for without any prospect of a return. Sacking Curle and appointing another manger with similar credentials would waste money that could be spent on players to help get us to mid table safety.
Some of you have really got to get this cult of manager out of your heads. They are all coaches that work within the budgets they have and follow the same pretty tough FA coaching courses they've all studied in order to get the badges to do the job. It's football, not rocket science or voodoo. If Wayne Rooney can do it at Championship level then who can't?
We've had nine managers in as many years, let's try sticking with a manager through the good and not so good times, it can't be any worse than the current policy.

How do you know Bowers has worked hard for his money? If we don't expect to do any better than we are then what is the point? Did Cov. or Wycombe or Rotherham or Luton etc not expect to do better?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 18, 2020, 21:05:11 pm
How do you know Bowers has worked hard for his money?

How do we know you did?



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on December 18, 2020, 21:17:15 pm
Would you advocate retaining a manager for maybe five or six years in an attempt to build a side that can perform at a higher level?

If we gave a manager five or six years we'd be in the Championship at least.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on December 18, 2020, 21:19:16 pm
How do you know Bowers has worked hard for his money? If we don't expect to do any better than we are then what is the point? Did Cov. or Wycombe or Rotherham or Luton etc not expect to do better?

Wycombe? How long has Ainsworth been their manager?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on December 18, 2020, 21:19:23 pm
I don't know why anyone on here is expecting us to do any better than we currently are. We've got a reasonable League 2 squad and this is the best we can expect.
Bower is a rich man but he's worked hard for his money and there's no reason he should toss it all away at a club he has no infinity for without any prospect of a return. Sacking Curle and appointing another manger with similar credentials would waste money that could be spent on players to help get us to mid table safety.
Some of you have really got to get this cult of manager out of your heads. They are all coaches that work within the budgets they have and follow the same pretty tough FA coaching courses they've all studied in order to get the badges to do the job. It's football, not rocket science or voodoo. If Wayne Rooney can do it at Championship level then who can't?
We've had nine managers in as many years, let's try sticking with a manager through the good and not so good times, it can't be any worse than the current policy.

Would you advocate retaining a manager for maybe five or six years in an attempt to build a side that can perform at a higher level?
If we gave a manger five or six years we'd be in the Championship at least.

Progress through consistency?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on December 18, 2020, 21:29:35 pm
Managers are not magicians, they are football coaches. There's no reason why one manger should outperform any other except for the budget they are operating with. For every Burton or Bournemouth that flirt with success I give you Man City and Liverpool that buy it. Klopp and Guardiola are great tv personalities but their managerial skills rely entirely on huge budgets. How come Solskjś, sacked at Cardiff after relegation to the Championship, is now top six with Man Utd? Same manager, different budget.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 18, 2020, 21:37:43 pm
Reading all this is fascinating stuff. When you think about it logically itís fairly typical of what goes on in many a board room? For me an appraisal of where we are goes like this. Covid strikes and there is immediate concern for the future of many clubs. For years many financial experts have been warning about the unsustainable spending of football clubs and Covid is widely predicted to be the final straw? We have a successful season get ourselves into the playoffs and win promotion off the back of some outstanding performances. By any measure after a rather typical showing in recent times it appears our 5th manager has brought success after 4 previous failures? The club then has a decision to make. Crowds are barred from attending matches money is pouring out of the club, what is the priority for any CEO at this point? My view is that it would irresponsible and incompetent to do anything other than come up with a strategy that gives the club as much financial longevity as possible. The owners duty is to ensure the football club survives for future generations to enjoy. Division 1 survival comes a very distant second, especially when it is highly likely that many clubs may not see out the season and it is a distinct possibility that the season may even not finish? The previous season fixtures were suspended so all of these are reasonable assumptions. Therefore the decisions are made, minimal spending, a restricted wage budget and off load any high earners or players with excessive demands? It is almost unthinkable that other clubs wonít follow suit especially as many are already in a precarious financial position so there should be a number of desirable players without a club? My view is this is exactly what is needed and I for one was on my feet applauding it. These decisions are not being made with hindsight, there are no guarantees these actions will save us or things will play out as predicted. You play the percentages, think with your head not your heart and steer the club down the most likely route to mean you have acted in the best interests of the club?

(For you JHFI) So approaching the midpoint of the season where are we at? Well, 2 things have occurred outside of the club that stand out. The first was that the curb on spending at other clubs clearly didnít quite pan out as expected. That for me was beyond incredible. I would say Gillingham outbidding us for Vadaine was beyond all reasonable logic given their troubles? The second was the financial bailout which whilst not beyond imaginable, could never have been relied upon with any degree of certainty? Therefore the stay of execution for many clubs has undoubtedly been extended? On the pitch things have played out as expected? We are low on the usual quality required to survive in division 1. We have suffered some unfortunate injuries, particularly to who turned out to be probably our marquee signing at the start of the season, Mills? This has been compounded comparatively by many other clubs continuing to be being run with staggering incompetence financially? As a result we are just above the relegation zone and have been over run on occasions. However, it has to be said that we have also had some wins and have held our own in some games. That being said some of the performances have been woeful but given the circumstances not entirely unexpected?

So what actions do we take now and right here is where many boardrooms fail their clubs and leave all responsibilities and competencies in the Mercedes in the car park? A decision has been taken regarding the best strategy for the football club. What you donít do at this point is hit the panic button and start trying to spend your way out of trouble. For a start off, statistically it doesnít work or change anything? All of the financial planning goes out of the window and you push the club closer to, if not over the brink? This kind of panicked irrational thinking borne of weakness is what has driven many clubs to where they are now? What is needed at this point is responsible logical thinking and the strength of character to see it through. Changing a manager who has had to perform with one if not both hands tied behind his back following undoubted success and have a January squad clear out in some act of self indulgence all in contradiction to the original strategy is nothing short of absolute lunacy in my opinion. Particularly when the proposed strategy has proven time and again most likely not to work and come at god knows what cost? FFS give me a break there is no guarantee that this season will even finish? That being said it must also be acknowledged that football supporters are not a charity. They have every right to expect certain standards from anyone who pulls on the shirt and are also within there rights to expect a level of performance on the pitch? For that reason I would neither criticise another supporter who took a stand and demanded action or proposed a change? I would however criticise a board for acting without prudence or restraint particularly in the midst of this pandemic. So for me the overwhelmingly correct thing to do is stick to the plan of financial restraint even if this means relegation. My view is that the board and we are merely custodians of the club and our priority is and should remain the protection of the club for future generations? I understand this may be unpopular and I accept it comes at a risk that offers no guarantee that it will work? I also accept that the other strategies being proposed on here may work and bring the desired impact? I just happen to think it is the wrong decision, it was at the start of the season and it is now? May I just request that other supporters take this view onboard and accept it is not without merit?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on December 18, 2020, 21:39:29 pm
Managers are not magicians, they are football coaches. There's no reason why one manger should outperform any other except for the budget they are operating with. For every Burton or Bournemouth that flirt with success I give you Man City and Liverpool that buy it. Klopp and Guardiola are great tv personalities but their managerial skills rely entirely on huge budgets. How come Solskjś, sacked at Cardiff after relegation to the Championship, is now top six with Man Utd? Same manager, different budget.

This is the same in real life. If a manager of any description is not given the people required to meet their targets they will fail. So we are back to the sugar daddy scenario.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on December 18, 2020, 21:41:02 pm
Reading all this is fascinating stuff. When you think about it logically it’s fairly typical of what goes on in many a board room? For me an appraisal of where we are goes like this. Covid strikes and there is immediate concern for the future of many clubs. For years many financial experts have been warning about the unsustainable spending of football clubs and Covid is widely predicted to be the final straw? We have a successful season get ourselves into the playoffs and win promotion off the back of some outstanding performances. By any measure after a rather typical showing in recent times it appears our 5th manager has brought success after 4 previous failures? The club then has a decision to make. Crowds are barred from attending matches money is pouring out of the club, what is the priority for any CEO at this point? My view is that it would irresponsible and incompetent to do anything other than come up with a strategy that gives the club as much financial longevity as possible. The owners duty is to ensure the football club survives for future generations to enjoy. Division 1 survival comes a very distant second, especially when it is highly likely that many clubs may not see out the season and it is a distinct possibility that the season may even not finish? The previous season fixtures were suspended so all of these are reasonable assumptions. Therefore the decisions are made, minimal spending, a restricted wage budget and off load any high earners or players with excessive demands? It is almost unthinkable that other clubs won’t follow suit especially as many are already in a precarious financial position so there should be a number of desirable players without a club? My view is this is exactly what needed to occur and I for one was on my feet applauding it. These decisions are not being made with hindsight, there are no guarantees these actions will save us or things will play out as predicted. You play the percentages, think with your head not your heart and steer the club down the most likely route to mean you have acted in the best interests of the club?

(For you JHFI) So approaching the midpoint of the season where are we at? Well, 2 things have occurred outside of the club that stand out. The first was that the curb on spending at other clubs clearly didn’t quite pan out as expected. That for me was beyond incredible. I would say Gillingham outbidding us for Vadaine was beyond all reasonable logic given their troubles? The second was the financial bailout which whilst not beyond imaginable, could never have been relied upon with any degree of certainty? Therefore the stay of execution for many clubs has undoubtedly been extended? On the pitch things have played out as expected? We are low on the usual quality required to survive in division 1. We have suffered some unfortunate injuries, particularly to who turned out to be probably our marquee signing at the start of the season, Mills? This has been compounded comparatively by many other clubs continuing to be being run with staggering incompetence financially? As a result we are just above the relegation zone and have been over run on occasions. However, it has to be said that we have also had some wins and have held our own in some games. That being said some of the performances have been woeful but given the circumstances not entirely unexpected?

So what actions do we take now and right here is where many boardrooms fail their clubs and leave all responsibilities and competencies in the Mercedes in the car park? A decision has been taken regarding the best strategy for the football club. What you don’t do at this point is hit the panic button and start trying to spend your way out of trouble. For a start off, statistically it doesn’t work or change anything? All of the financial planning goes out of the window and you push the club closer to, if not over the brink? This kind of panicked irrational thinking borne of weakness is what has driven many clubs to where they are now? What is needed at this point is responsible logical thinking and the strength of character to see it through. Changing a manager who has had to perform with one if not both hands tied behind his back following undoubted success and have a January squad clear out in some act of self indulgence all in contradiction to the original strategy is nothing short of absolute lunacy in my opinion. Particularly when the proposed strategy has proven time and again most likely not to work and come at god knows what cost? FFS give me a break there is no guarantee that this season will even finish? That being said it must also be acknowledged that football supporters are not a charity. They have every right to expect certain standards from anyone who pulls on the shirt and are also within there rights to expect a level of performance on the pitch? For that reason I would neither criticise another supporter who took a stand and demanded action or proposed a change? I would however criticise a board for acting without prudence or restraint particularly in the midst of this pandemic. So for me the overwhelmingly correct thing to do is stick to the plan of financial restraint even if this means relegation. My view is that the board and we are merely custodians of the club and our priority is and should remain the protection of the club for future generations? I understand this may be unpopular and I accept it comes at a risk that offers no guarantee that it will work? I also accept that the other strategies being proposed on here may work and bring the desired impact? I just happen to think it is the wrong decision, it was at the start of the season and it is now? May I just request that other supporters take this view onboard and accept it is not without merit?

Dude, get a life  ;D

How much have you had to drink?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2020, 21:43:20 pm
Wycombe? How long has Ainsworth been their manager?

 ;D  ;D  ;D.  Very Clever


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 18, 2020, 21:45:48 pm
Dude, get a life  ;D

How much have you had to drink?

Not enough Sing, Iím in the midst of doing some planning of my own to change that.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on December 18, 2020, 21:48:29 pm
Not enough Sing, I’m in the midst of doing some planning of my own to change that.

Business plans, project plans, finacial forecasts. I quit all that and became a truck driver.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 18, 2020, 21:50:35 pm
Business plans, project plans, finacial forecasts. I quit all that and became a truck driver.
Any jobs going, Iím fcuking things up my end?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on December 18, 2020, 21:53:16 pm
Any jobs going, I’m fcuking things up my end?

Semi-retirement. Drive the truck part time for something to do and beer tokens.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 18, 2020, 21:55:56 pm
Semi-retirement. Drive the truck part time for something to do and beer tokens.
Sensible planning Sing, a rare commodity on here


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on December 18, 2020, 22:02:50 pm
Sensible planning Sing, a rare commodity on here

I spent many years working for the top telcos. One day I decided I had had enough of the office politics and the general bs that goes with it, idiots on the board of directors with no vision of the future and I walked out. Best thing I ever did. I loved it when one of my predictions I gave to the board came true and relegated a major player down to the minor leagues.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on December 18, 2020, 23:15:27 pm
The difference between company performances and football clubs is that companies don't compete literally head on with each other. A company can quietly be successful gaining sales and everything is ticketty boo.
The league structure means clubs at the lower end are deemed to be failures no matter how good they are. Chris Wilder, once the golden boy of English no-nonsense mangers is apparently performing appallingly this season. How has he changed? The players are practically identical to last season's successful campaign and he's the same manger as he's always been. If Sheffield have any sense they will hang on to Wilder and even if they get relegated they will have a good chance of bouncing thanks to a settled playing staff. It's the same with Burnley, hang onto Dyche, meaning they keep a settled side and they will keep punching above their weight.
It's not the manager but the stability. The myth of the new manager bounce has been disproved on so many surveys it's depressing how ignorant people still trot it out.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 18, 2020, 23:43:33 pm
Shrewsbury. Bristol Rovers. There's two straight away to counteract that. Both are having big improvements which are currently having a detrimental effect to us.

Our clubs biggest problem is the fact that apathy is so rife among supporters and that there are a good chunk who are happy to accept zero ambition year after year. I've been guilty of that over the years myself. We are the ones who will outstay every player/ manager/ owner and invest year after year. We are entitled to want better. Maybe Shoey, Beds Cobbler etc are the wise ones among us.

As a club, we have forgiven our manager for **** poor form for too long and we as fans deserve better. We've played 28 league games since we were done by Derby in Feb (over half a season). 9 wins, 3 draws and 16 defeats.

We definitely can compete with teams in this league IF our flair players are allowed to play their natural games. IF KC lets them do this, he may turn things around. IF he doesn't, like all the previous bad appointments, he will go into the management wilderness.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2020, 23:53:44 pm
Others, who watched it, were saying that the airborne method of defence (the hoof ball) didn't allow the midfield to have an influence?

Would suggest that some on here whose sole aim is to get rid of Curle and perhaps even KT as well; so their comments may well be biased. You may be getting a misleading opinion from the anti - Curle clique?  To say the Midfield lost any influence on the game due to hoof tactics is I feel not totally correct. Simply put the midfield had the opportunity to exert some influence on the game even during that turgid second half. There were three of them perhaps four with Lines who was totally anonymous - true hoof ball had an influence but all three players lacked drive, tenacity, leadership and basic football skills. They simply disappeared from the game and more so when Holmes was withdrawn.
Holmes is the one player who we depend on to get us moving but in truth, he was ineffective too. Curle was quite right to criticise the team effort including the midfield. I have watched the Cobblers for many years and have never known such protracted effort to remove a Manager purely based on a malevolent opinion from a few on here. As pointed out by at least three decent posters, pursuit of this suspect opinion will be disastrous and self-repeating. Lord help us if we have another bad day tomorrow.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2020, 23:56:35 pm
The difference between company performances and football clubs is that companies don't compete literally head on with each other. A company can quietly be successful gaining sales and everything is ticketty boo.
The league structure means clubs at the lower end are deemed to be failures no matter how good they are. Chris Wilder, once the golden boy of English no-nonsense mangers is apparently performing appallingly this season. How has he changed? The players are practically identical to last season's successful campaign and he's the same manger as he's always been. If Sheffield have any sense they will hang on to Wilder and even if they get relegated they will have a good chance of bouncing thanks to a settled playing staff. It's the same with Burnley, hang onto Dyche, meaning they keep a settled side and they will keep punching above their weight.
It's not the manager but the stability. The myth of the new manager bounce has been disproved on so many surveys it's depressing how ignorant people still trot it out.

+
ps they wont understand.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 19, 2020, 00:02:42 am
Shrewsbury. Bristol Rovers. There's two straight away to counteract that. Both are having big improvements which are currently having a detrimental effect to us.

Our clubs biggest problem is the fact that apathy is so rife among supporters and that there are a good chunk who are happy to accept zero ambition year after year. I've been guilty of that over the years myself. We are the ones who will outstay every player/ manager/ owner and invest year after year. We are entitled to want better. Maybe Shoey, Beds Cobbler etc are the wise ones among us.

As a club, we have forgiven our manager for **** poor form for too long and we as fans deserve better. We've played 28 league games since we were done by Derby in Feb (over half a season). 9 wins, 3 draws and 16 defeats.

We definitely can compete with teams in this league IF our flair players are allowed to play their natural games. IF KC lets them do this, he may turn things around. IF he doesn't, like all the previous bad appointments, he will go into the management wilderness.

Dan you say flair players please advise who they are. Can possibly think of one even two but not sure if flair is a way I would describe them!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 19, 2020, 01:08:08 am
I don't know why anyone on here is expecting us to do any better than we currently are. We've got a reasonable League 2 squad and this is the best we can expect.
Bower is a rich man but he's worked hard for his money and there's no reason he should toss it all away at a club he has no infinity for without any prospect of a return. Sacking Curle and appointing another manger with similar credentials would waste money that could be spent on players to help get us to mid table safety.
Some of you have really got to get this cult of manager out of your heads. They are all coaches that work within the budgets they have and follow the same pretty tough FA coaching courses they've all studied in order to get the badges to do the job. It's football, not rocket science or voodoo. If Wayne Rooney can do it at Championship level then who can't?
We've had nine managers in as many years, let's try sticking with a manager through the good and not so good times, it can't be any worse than the current policy.
thatís a fair and considered argument .
The players signed for Curle and he should be able to get the best from them .
My issue with that is simply that Curle is a dinosaur and he is not getting a tune from the players this season .
We will go down under him , no doubt .
Do we stick or twist ?
My view is that we twist under a manager from within with modern thinking .
Nothing is worst than what we are currently witnessing


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on December 19, 2020, 02:03:51 am
Only softheads want change of manager.

Come big boys, I put in £200,000. Each of you softheads do the same. We buy NTFC. We sack Mr.Curle. Howmuch money we have after none of you put money where mouth is?

Softheads write wels-****.

Bollokheads


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 19, 2020, 11:23:01 am
I don't know why anyone on here is expecting us to do any better than we currently are. We've got a reasonable League 2 squad and this is the best we can expect.
Bower is a rich man but he's worked hard for his money and there's no reason he should toss it all away at a club he has no infinity for without any prospect of a return. Sacking Curle and appointing another manger with similar credentials would waste money that could be spent on players to help get us to mid table safety.
Some of you have really got to get this cult of manager out of your heads. They are all coaches that work within the budgets they have and follow the same pretty tough FA coaching courses they've all studied in order to get the badges to do the job. It's football, not rocket science or voodoo. If Wayne Rooney can do it at Championship level then who can't?
We've had nine managers in as many years, let's try sticking with a manager through the good and not so good times, it can't be any worse than the current policy.
You mention Bower as if heís doing us a favour, no one forced him to buy a football club, if he ran any non football business like he does us the creditors would have pulled the plug, he chose to invest and he has a duty of care to run it as best he can, which can be prudent, but also when itís not performing you have to make difficult decisions.
Either back Curle in the transfer window or bring someone else in who has the contacts and wherefore all to keep us up.
None of those options are free but donít forget KT and DB chose to buy NTFC.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Knockingonabit on December 19, 2020, 12:14:56 pm
I can appreciate the arguments in favour of both financial and managerial stability but what worries me is that as long as our current manager is in charge we will condemned to watch the same garbage and I am somehow doubtful that throwing a bit of cash around in the transfer window will have any affect on the style of play.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 19, 2020, 13:15:43 pm
This is the same in real life. If a manager of any description is not given the people required to meet their targets they will fail. So we are back to the sugar daddy scenario.

How do you explain Wycombe, Wimbledon, Sheffield United etc


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on December 19, 2020, 13:35:47 pm
How do you explain Wycombe, Wimbledon, Sheffield United etc

Their managers have obviously been able to sign the talent they wanted, which on the surface appears not to be the case with KC.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 19, 2020, 13:36:08 pm
This is the same in real life. If a manager of any description is not given the people required to meet their targets they will fail. So we are back to the sugar daddy scenario.

And if they are given the budget to recruit the right people but fail to do so...?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 19, 2020, 13:36:57 pm
Their managers have obviously been able to sign the talent they wanted, which on the surface appears not to be the case with KC.

Please enlighten us, how does this appear to be the case?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 14:18:35 pm
Please enlighten us, how does this appear to be the case?
By KC saying on a number of occasions that he couldnít sign his first choice targets.
When you have to offer them a low weekly wage with incentives is it any wonder.
No wonder morale is low......
They must be on low wages and getting no bonuses to top it up
Whoever thought this policy up has made a major mistake

Rather than trotting out the same questions week after week maybe Tim Oglethorpe can actually grow a pair and ask if it was Keithís idea or whether he had his hands tied behind his back by KT.

That would actually be something worth knowing the answer too.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 19, 2020, 14:22:25 pm
By KC saying on a number of occasions that he couldnít sign his first choice targets.
When you have to offer them a low weekly wage with incentives is it any wonder.
No wonder morale is low......
They must be on low wages and getting no bonuses to top it up
Whoever thought this policy up has made a major mistake

Rather than trotting out the same questions week after week maybe Tim Oglethorpe can actually grow a pair and ask if it was Keithís idea or whether he had his hands tied behind his back by KT.

That would actually be something worth knowing the answer too.

Iím not sure if Iím Iím the only one, but I canít remember him saying this on a number of occasions.

Do you have a link?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 14:26:54 pm
Iím not sure if Iím Iím the only one, but I canít remember him saying this on a number of occasions.

Do you have a link?
Bollox to your link
Heís said it a number of times
Our squad is league two standard
We cannot afford to compete in league one under the current board
The redevelopment is some sort of unfunny joke
The team is the only thing less funny.

Another year goes by
Tick tock


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 19, 2020, 14:28:27 pm
He did say we couldn't/wouldn't pay Oliver what Gillingham could, and he did say that Fleetwood picked up a couple of players that we were interested in.....


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 14:42:19 pm
He did say we couldn't/wouldn't pay Oliver what Gillingham could, and he did say that Fleetwood picked up a couple of players that we were interested in.....
He did say heíd missed out on his first choice targets.
Offer peanuts
Miss out


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 19, 2020, 14:52:30 pm
Bollox to your link
Heís said it a number of times
Our squad is league two standard
We cannot afford to compete in league one under the current board
The redevelopment is some sort of unfunny joke
The team is the only thing less funny.

Another year goes by
Tick tock

Canít recall him ever saying that. Given the lack of examples it sounds like you canít either?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 14:53:39 pm
Donít worry yourself
I often forget things too


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 14:56:09 pm
Canít recall him ever saying that. Given the lack of examples it sounds like you canít either?
Just for the record I couldnít give two s***s about your memory.
If your struggling with believing whatís been said you could always ask Keith yourself.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 19, 2020, 14:58:57 pm
He did say we couldn't/wouldn't pay Oliver what Gillingham could, and he did say that Fleetwood picked up a couple of players that we were interested in.....

Agreed he said Gillingham made an offer for Oliver that was very good and we werenít prepared to match it. At the same time he was banging on about having identified and met with his targets that were the right character and will fit in with what we are trying to achieve etc. It now looks like those targets were Seal, Nutall and Rose.

Maybe if he didnít waste money buying Smith the year before we wouldnít have needed to try and shoehorn 2 target men in the squad?

Poor recruitment I must admit.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 15:01:44 pm
Agreed he said Gillingham made an offer for Oliver that was very good and we werenít prepared to match it. At the same time he was banging on about having identified and met with his targets that were the right character and will fit in with what we are trying to achieve etc. It now looks like those targets were Seal, Nutall and Rose.

Maybe if he didnít waste money buying Smith the year before we wouldnít have needed to try and shoehorn 2 target men in the squad?

Poor recruitment I must admit.
His number one striker targets were two championship strikers.....
He hadnít the budget to sign either
One leaked out on talk sport
One signed another year at his club.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 19, 2020, 15:02:23 pm
Just for the record I couldnít give two s***s about your memory.
If your struggling with believing whatís been said you could always ask Keith yourself.


I must admit, it seems strange to post about factual statements without being able to provide any evidence.

Both KC and KT have recently stated that Rose is the highest paid striker in the league so I guess that scuppers your theory.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 19, 2020, 15:04:32 pm
His number one striker targets were two championship strikers.....
He hadnít the budget to sign either
One leaked out on talk sport
One signed another year at his club.

Again, it would be great if you could provide the evidence around the comment that confirms he didnít have the budget to sign either.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 15:12:17 pm
Again, it would be great if you could provide the evidence around the comment that confirms he didnít have the budget to sign either.
Donít worry KT will be pushing the boat out in January  :D :D :D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Gonzales on December 19, 2020, 15:19:45 pm
If we were to sack Curle before the end of the year... Who would be in the frame to replace him, and would they actually get backed in January?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on December 19, 2020, 15:23:28 pm
If we were to sack Curle before the end of the year... Who would be in the frame to replace him, and would they actually get backed in January?

More to the point who would be mad enough to accpet such a poisoned chalice?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 15:25:21 pm
More to the point who would be mad enough to accpet such a poisoned chalice?
Someone who canít get a managers job anywhere and will do it on the cheap.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 19, 2020, 15:29:26 pm


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on December 19, 2020, 15:43:43 pm
by
I must admit, it seems strange to post about factual statements without being able to provide any evidence.

Both KC and KT have recently stated that Rose is the highest paid striker in the league so I guess that scuppers your theory.

Rose the highest paid striker in League 1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 15:46:30 pm

Rose the highest paid striker in League 1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Classic  :D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 19, 2020, 15:58:54 pm

Rose the highest paid striker in League 1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My thoughts. I like the lad but if he's anywhere near the highest paid striker in this league we've been mugged.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 16:03:19 pm
My thoughts. I like the lad but if he's anywhere near the highest paid striker in this league we've been mugged.

Maybe TO can ask if this is true
Another tough question so unlikely to be true....


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on December 19, 2020, 16:32:54 pm
My thoughts. I like the lad but if he's anywhere near the highest paid striker in this league we've been mugged.

Isnít Will Grigg on around £15,000 a week at Sunderland?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 19, 2020, 16:34:59 pm
If we were to sack Curle before the end of the year... Who would be in the frame to replace him, and would they actually get backed in January?

In the frame?

Plenty of former managers currently unemployed....

Paul Hurst
Sol Campbell
Jonathan Woodgate
David Flitcroft
Graham Alexander
Nigel Adkins
Danny Cowley
Phil Parkinson
John McGreal
Paul Heckingbottom
Paul Cook
Simon Grayson
Gary Bowyer
Colin Calderwood
Darren Currie

Many more! You know when they say they've had 40/50 applicants, who else do you think they are??



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 19, 2020, 16:40:14 pm
In the frame?

Plenty of former managers currently unemployed....

Paul Hurst
Sol Campbell
Jonathan Woodgate
David Flitcroft
Graham Alexander
Nigel Adkins
Danny Cowley
Phil Parkinson
John McGreal
Paul Heckingbottom
Paul Cook
Simon Grayson
Gary Bowyer
Colin Calderwood
Darren Currie

Many more! You know when they say they've had 40/50 applicants, who else do you think they are??


Sol Campbell can do one. Anybody who states they have one of the best football brains in the world, needs to take their head out of their @rse.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on December 19, 2020, 16:52:27 pm
Goodbye Mr Curle!

Do not let KT choose the next manager, ask Graham Carr who he would recommend.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 19, 2020, 16:56:03 pm
Sheehan and Holmes, Sheehan and Holmes, Sheehan and Holmes...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 16:58:51 pm
Keep Keith
We canít afford to sack him.

Housekeeping


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on December 19, 2020, 17:11:16 pm
Last 4 league games = 0 points. Scored 1 and conceded 12. I'm still not calling for KC's head yet, because he's always bounced back. However, it's now starting to look really grim and we're on a downward spiral and the few things we could always bank on, such as effort and shape, have also disappeared. Confidence will be at a real low too, BUT changing the manager is a very expensive option with no guaranteed result, so I think we still have to give him a couple more games to see if there's a reaction. There's still time to avoid relegation if we start to improve quickly. It is time though for KT to start looking at who we might get.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on December 19, 2020, 17:15:57 pm
We will be Non league in just over a year if we keep Curle


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 19, 2020, 17:16:45 pm
time for keith to go .
The problem is Whiting needs to be strong in KTís absence .
KT needs to wake from his slumber and act .
Driving home for Christmas Keith and staying there i hope


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on December 19, 2020, 17:23:01 pm
Logic says you take a promotion whenever, and however, you can.

Right now my heart says I wish the fcuk last season's League 2 had been curtailed without a play-off.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on December 19, 2020, 17:31:11 pm
KT should have offered him a rolling contract for the Promotion, we can probably guess without the 2 play off games he probably wouldnít still be at the club


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Irchy cob on December 19, 2020, 17:41:36 pm
As others have said if KT does go any replacement would have to be a miracle worker as the squad they will inherit is almost completely devoid of quality - a mixture of rookies and over the hill journeymen.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 19, 2020, 17:47:10 pm
As others have said if KT does go any replacement would have to be a miracle worker as the squad they will inherit is almost completely devoid of quality - a mixture of rookies and over the hill journeymen.

Agreed. Itís a shame thereís not a transfer window in a couple of weeks time...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 19, 2020, 17:48:57 pm
Agreed. Itís a shame thereís not a transfer window in a couple of weeks time...
;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 19, 2020, 17:49:56 pm
The pitch is **** though, almost too late to save that now.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 19, 2020, 17:50:45 pm
KT should have offered him a rolling contract for the Promotion, we can probably guess without the 2 play off games he probably wouldnít still be at the club

And that's just it isn't it......we look back fondly on TWO games.....when he's actually been in charge for 116 games......how many times can we really say in those 116 games we've played really well and the fans have been entertained? I'd guess less than double figures.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Irchy cob on December 19, 2020, 17:50:53 pm
Agreed. Itís a shame thereís not a transfer window in a couple of weeks time...

Whoís going to take any of our players - weíd be lucky to even give some of them away? I canít see more coming in without some going the other way, if not weíll end up with a totally bloated squad.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 19, 2020, 17:51:17 pm
The pitch is **** though, almost too late to save that now.

Great idea to train on it though, you have to admit that.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 19, 2020, 17:53:47 pm
Whoís going to take any of our players - weíd be lucky to even give some of them away? I canít see more coming in without some going the other way, if not weíll end up with a totally bloated squad.

I think 10% of them have deals that expire in Jan.

Another 10% have been sent out on loan....

Must be able to shift a few more on.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Turf Claret on December 19, 2020, 17:55:06 pm
................. I have watched the Cobblers for many years and have never known such protracted effort to remove a Manager purely based on a malevolent opinion from a few on here. As pointed out by at least three decent posters, pursuit of this suspect opinion will be disastrous and self-repeating. Lord help us if we have another bad day tomorrow.


You were saying?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 19, 2020, 18:01:18 pm
By KC saying on a number of occasions that he couldnít sign his first choice targets.


Prove this... Iím happy to apologise Shoey. But you are going to have to prove this.. Come on.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 19, 2020, 18:02:37 pm
The pitch is **** though, almost too late to save that now.

It was good enough for Lincoln. 😀.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Irchy cob on December 19, 2020, 18:04:43 pm
I think 10% of them have deals that expire in Jan.

Another 10% have been sent out on loan....

Must be able to shift a few more on.



Isnít that the problem though - arguably the 2 brightest sparks have been Sheehan and Holmes and theyíre both only here until January (although I would expect both to sign for longer). I agree with those who point at the recruitment as being the issue but some are using that to defend KC when they donít seem to realise that he is the guy in overall control. Possibly the most important area at this level is the quality in loans and Iím sure I donít have to point out that in Racic and Mitchell we havenít exactly hit the jackpot.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 19, 2020, 18:10:21 pm
Prove this... Iím happy to apologise Shoey. But you are going to have to prove this.. Come on.


I agree.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 19, 2020, 18:13:26 pm
Isnít that the problem though - arguably the 2 brightest sparks have been Sheehan and Holmes and theyíre both only here until January (although I would expect both to sign for longer). I agree with those who point at the recruitment as being the issue but some are using that to defend KC when they donít seem to realise that he is the guy in overall control. Possibly the most important area at this level is the quality in loans and Iím sure I donít have to point out that in Racic and Mitchell we havenít exactly hit the jackpot.

You forgot Nuttall.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 18:17:16 pm
I agree.
Iíve not dreamt it.
I canít be bothered to trawl through everything but on more than one occasion he has stated he missed out on his top targets


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 19, 2020, 18:18:21 pm
Isnít that the problem though - arguably the 2 brightest sparks have been Sheehan and Holmes and theyíre both only here until January (although I would expect both to sign for longer). I agree with those who point at the recruitment as being the issue but some are using that to defend KC when they donít seem to realise that he is the guy in overall control. Possibly the most important area at this level is the quality in loans and Iím sure I donít have to point out that in Racic and Mitchell we havenít exactly hit the jackpot.

Is that the Holmes who KC didn't even deem worthy of a start today?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Turf Claret on December 19, 2020, 18:20:15 pm
Has he NOT gone yet? The fat lady hasn't quite started... but I think Jim Reeves should begin crooning soon...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 19, 2020, 18:21:26 pm
Agreed. Itís a shame thereís not a transfer window in a couple of weeks time...

 ;D   first laugh today!





Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Irchy cob on December 19, 2020, 18:23:40 pm
You forgot Nuttall.

Easily done - I wonder how the legal action over us having to pay his wages is going?!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Air-Dan on December 19, 2020, 19:21:59 pm
First time I've said this:

Curle must go.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 19, 2020, 19:38:43 pm
And again, it's one of those.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on December 19, 2020, 20:00:07 pm
I've got one question for Keith Curle.











   




Can I have that NTFC quilted bodywarmer that you were wearing today ? You, surely, won't need next week will you.  :-[


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 19, 2020, 20:03:55 pm
Must say I was pleasantly surprised hearing so many around me wanting him gone. Just need that nail administered in the coffin.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Travelaway on December 19, 2020, 20:27:29 pm
going going ....gone...
Whos next for the axe after KC?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on December 19, 2020, 20:37:55 pm
Prove this... Iím happy to apologise Shoey. But you are going to have to prove this.. Come on.


Without being flippant he's bound to have missed out on his top targets. Like all clubs, except Man City and PSG, he's confined by the player budget. You've only got to look at the pedigree of those he has signed to realise it's limited his aspirations. It's this reason we have been one of the favourites for relegation since the start of the season.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 19, 2020, 20:42:01 pm
Without being flippant he's bound to have missed out on his top targets. Like all clubs, except Man City and PSG, he's confined by the player budget. You've only got to look at the pedigree of those he has signed to realise it's limited his aspirations. It's this reason we have been one of the favourites for relegation since the start of the season.
I take that on board and you are correct but Iíd love to know the reasoning behind only offering players a low weekly wage plus bonuses and why was this necessary.
Keithís choice or financial constraints.

This has certainly helped our demise imo


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 19, 2020, 20:51:12 pm
I've got one question for Keith Curle.
Can I have that NTFC quilted bodywarmer that you were wearing today ? You, surely, won't need next week will you.  :-[
I agree with what you say, but you want second hand clothing, at your age when there is a virus going around? Im chuckling.










   






Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 19, 2020, 20:55:22 pm
going going ....gone...
Whos next for the axe after KC?

Do you know something we don't?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Larry on December 19, 2020, 22:16:16 pm
I take that on board and you are correct but Iíd love to know the reasoning behind only offering players a low weekly wage plus bonuses and why was this necessary.
Keithís choice or financial constraints.

This has certainly helped our demise imo

It's definitely not going to be KC's decision. If so he would be the only manager in the world that would negotiate a player's contract. He's going to identify players he wants to bring into the club and it's down to the money men to negotiate the deals.
If it was down to the manager then they would all be promising Barcelona stupid money for Messi.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 19, 2020, 22:22:01 pm
Come on Travelaway, donít be wrong 🙏🏼


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 19, 2020, 22:24:59 pm
Today was the first time in 54 years we have suffered back to back four goal defeats....... lost 4-0 at home to Wolves and then lost 6-1 at Ipswich, Oct/Nov 1966


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 19, 2020, 22:25:05 pm
Without being flippant he's bound to have missed out on his top targets. Like all clubs, except Man City and PSG, he's confined by the player budget. You've only got to look at the pedigree of those he has signed to realise it's limited his aspirations. It's this reason we have been one of the favourites for relegation since the start of the season.

Thatís got nothing to do with what I said. Nor do I disagree with you. But lying about him saying it, is a totally different thing.

I donít think with things the way they are, that we need anyone to embroider their point through complete fabrication. Curle is far enough into the mire, without the need to misquote him. Thereís enough to go on.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on December 19, 2020, 23:02:18 pm
Spewing the same about our players all these years later...yet he recruited ALL of them...get rid!

https://www.whoateallthepies.tv/football-league/211051/they-dont-have-male-genitalia-carlisle-boss-keith-curle-goes-off-on-bizarre-rant-about-weak-players.html (https://www.whoateallthepies.tv/football-league/211051/they-dont-have-male-genitalia-carlisle-boss-keith-curle-goes-off-on-bizarre-rant-about-weak-players.html)

Also, if you listen to the Oxford post match interview, he was literally going to say the same thing until the penny dropped & he realised you can't say that in this day and age.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on December 19, 2020, 23:57:24 pm
I agree with what you say, but you want second hand clothing, at your age when there is a virus going around? Im chuckling.










 

Dry cleaners can still open can't they ?  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 20, 2020, 09:03:21 am
Today was the first time in 54 years we have suffered back to back four goal defeats....... lost 4-0 at home to Wolves and then lost 6-1 at Ipswich, Oct/Nov 1966
Great work GPC.
What did we follow those two results up with?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 20, 2020, 09:18:30 am
Great work GPC.
What did we follow those two results up with?

Those we defeats five six in a run which had also seen us lose 6-1 at Hull and 5-1 at Crystal Palace!
We actually followed those two results up with a win.....2-1 at home over Bristol City.

23/09/66   A v Hull City       L 1-6
01/10/66   H v Portsmouth   L 2-4
08/10/66  A  v Crystal Palace  L 1-5
15/10/66  H v Huddersfield  L 0-1
29/10/66  H v Wolves     L 0-4
05/11/66  A v Ipswich   L 1-6

12/11/66  H v Bristol City  W 2-1
19/11/66  A v Carlisle    L 0-2

 


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 20, 2020, 09:38:04 am
Bristol City must have been really poor that season!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 20, 2020, 11:07:18 am
Honestly am shocked that he hasnít been sacked already.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 11:18:08 am
Honestly am shocked that he hasnít been sacked already.
Iím not  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Wanderingteyn on December 20, 2020, 11:24:19 am
We've not heard from KT for ages. Maybe he is unwell or has personal stuff going on, hopefully not.

Keith has to go, it's incredulous to not act. The squad is poor, there is no disguising that fact. The problem is Keith signed them all, he picks the 11 each week and the tactics.

Someone else could get more out of these players by simply deciding on the best 11 and sticking to it so they can form some sort of consistency and develop relationships on the pitch with each other.

I don't buy the injuries excuse either.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 20, 2020, 11:52:04 am
Iím not  ;D

Starting to share your views about the ownership more by the day.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Coolcat on December 20, 2020, 12:30:38 pm
Those we defeats five six in a run which had also seen us lose 6-1 at Hull and 5-1 at Crystal Palace!
We actually followed those two results up with a win.....2-1 at home over Bristol City.

23/09/66   A v Hull City       L 1-6
01/10/66   H v Portsmouth   L 2-4
08/10/66  A  v Crystal Palace  L 1-5
15/10/66  H v Huddersfield  L 0-1
29/10/66  H v Wolves     L 0-4
05/11/66  A v Ipswich   L 1-6

12/11/66  H v Bristol City  W 2-1
19/11/66  A v Carlisle    L 0-2

 
And which clueless goon was in charge for that debacle?
We can name a stand after him!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on December 20, 2020, 13:00:26 pm
We've not heard from KT for ages. Maybe he is unwell or has personal stuff going on, hopefully not.

Keith has to go, it's incredulous to not act. The squad is poor, there is no disguising that fact. The problem is Keith signed them all, he picks the 11 each week and the tactics.

Someone else could get more out of these players by simply deciding on the best 11 and sticking to it so they can form some sort of consistency and develop relationships on the pitch with each other.

I don't buy the injuries excuse either.

This is a very good point. Tinkering with the team, as KC does constantly, is OK when you're doing OK, but when you're not, it would seem better to put faith in what you consider your best 11 and give them a few games to gel. Constantly changing personell and formations when confidence is shot surely contributes to the downward spiral. Lincoln had come off 2 defeats and named an unchanged team yesterday and comfortably played us off the park.

Regarding the injuries excuse, this is a sign of how KC is losing his hold on the situation (as many other managers do when under pressure). A few weeks ago he would never have blamed injuries. He'd have been saying that was no excuse, competitive squad, chance for another player to make their mark, etc.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Charlatan on December 20, 2020, 13:15:59 pm
Apologies if what I write has already been said, I'm so down I can't be arsed to look through other posts.
        Yesterday was awful, I must admit I'm struggling to remember such a spineless performance, as you know I've backed KC all the way but after yesterdays debacle, even I think that maybe now is time for a change. The performance was awful but, what really got me down most was bringing Holmes when we were 0-3 down and game over.
               I never like to use this phrase (it does get banded about a lot) but after the lack of fight yesterday I think KC has lost the dressing room. Maybe time to put Sammo & Brady in temporary charge? I do think now something has to change, don't get me wrong I would love to see KC turn this round, but IMO I don't think he can.
                                


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 13:30:08 pm
Keithís still in charge then........


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on December 20, 2020, 13:34:37 pm
You don't need to post this after every game, of course he is.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 20, 2020, 13:39:03 pm
Keithís still in charge then........

I think you must have a repeat button on your computer the amount of times you say the same thing over and over again  ::)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 20, 2020, 13:56:54 pm
I think you must have a repeat button on your computer the amount of times you say the same thing over and over again  ::)

Don't worry.. He'll head back down is hole if we have any degree of success.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 14:10:24 pm
Don't worry.. He'll head back down is hole if we have any degree of success.
IF  ;D
Come on show some positivity !!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 20, 2020, 15:14:26 pm
Has he gone yet?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 20, 2020, 20:01:00 pm
I'm sure they are just ironing out the contract with the replacement and all is in hand mate.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 20, 2020, 20:30:48 pm
Just catching up...

Has KC gone? Iím assuming he must have.

Has Shoey posted evidence to back up any of his comments?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 20:46:40 pm
Just catching up...

Has KC gone? Iím assuming he must have.

Has Shoey posted evidence to back up any of his comments?
If youíd like a bet that Keith has put on record he missed out on his first choice targets put your money where your mouth is....
£500
You can pay the winnings to the clubs chosen charity.

Cheers :o


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: tcobb on December 20, 2020, 20:58:17 pm
Shoey produce facts ? Will never happen Mysterious Curle, its a game he likes to play.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 20:59:35 pm
Shoey produce facts ? Will never happen Mysterious Curle, its a game he likes to play.
Would you like the same bet?
Pay it to the clubs chosen charity
Cheers  :o


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 21:06:03 pm
Shoey produce facts ? Will never happen Mysterious Curle, its a game he likes to play.
Iím sure I havenít dreamed that Keith has mentioned that he missed out on his top targets.
Thatís my claim
You doubt my claim
Put up £500 and you can give my winnings to the clubs chosen charity.

I get lots of things wrong in life but Iím pretty sure Iím right on this.

A £1000 would go a long way for a charity so if you still doubt what Iím saying Iím prepared to pay out if he hasnít stated heís missed out on his top targets.

Iíve no axe to grind with either of you but Iím willing to step up to the mark and itís all for charity.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: tcobb on December 20, 2020, 21:07:14 pm
Post the facts


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 21:11:20 pm
Post the facts
Iím not into links and not very tech savvy Iím afraid but il put up £500 are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is.
Come on itís for charity...
Whoever is wrong can pay...



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: tcobb on December 20, 2020, 21:14:13 pm
Just for once post the facts , rather than the lies you normally post.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 20, 2020, 21:16:56 pm
Iím not into links and not very tech savvy Iím afraid but il put up £500 are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is.
Come on itís for charity...
Whoever is wrong can pay...



Not wanting to state the obvious here... how do you propose to establish fact from fiction if youíre not capable of obtaining the evidence?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 21:18:06 pm
Just for once post the facts , rather than the lies you normally post.
Come on now
Put your money where your mouth is

Thatís not a lot to ask is it?

If Iím wrong il pay £500 to the clubs chosen charity.
If Iím right you can pay

One last chance to put up or shut up.....

Are you putting up or shutting up?
Yes or no



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 21:19:51 pm
Not wanting to state the obvious here... how do you propose to establish fact from fiction if youíre not capable of obtaining the evidence?
All I can do is try my best
Are you willing to put up or shut up?

We are all cobblers fans and charity is the winner.

If I can come up with proof then il take it youíll pay is that ok?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: tcobb on December 20, 2020, 21:20:07 pm
Come on Shoey post the facts, prove you're not a compulsive liar.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 21:28:06 pm
Come on Shoey post the facts, prove you're not a compulsive liar.
So your prepared to pay if I can find proof that Keith curle has stated that he has missed out on his top targets this season.

Thatís fair enough I accept that bet as £500 for charity is better than nothing

Fair play for stepping up to the plate and putting your money where your mouth is

Respect where itís due.

Thereís too many arses who give it loads until cash is mentioned and then their arse falls off.

I respect your a man like me who will put up and shut up.

Your bets on.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: tcobb on December 20, 2020, 21:37:13 pm
Facts ?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 20, 2020, 21:40:34 pm
So your prepared to pay if I can find proof that Keith curle has stated that he has missed out on his top targets this season.

Thatís fair enough I accept that bet as £500 for charity is better than nothing

Fair play for stepping up to the plate and putting your money where your mouth is

Respect where itís due.

Thereís too many arses who give it loads until cash is mentioned and then their arse falls off.

I respect your a man like me who will put up and shut up.

Your bets on.

Youíve already slashed your Ďfactsí in half.

What youíre looking for is proof that KC has stated he has missed out on his top targets this season due to the size of his budget...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 20, 2020, 21:43:32 pm
By KC saying on a number of occasions that he couldnít sign his first choice targets.
When you have to offer them a low weekly wage with incentives is it any wonder.
No wonder morale is low......
They must be on low wages and getting no bonuses to top it up
Whoever thought this policy up has made a major mistake

Rather than trotting out the same questions week after week maybe Tim Oglethorpe can actually grow a pair and ask if it was Keithís idea or whether he had his hands tied behind his back by KT.

That would actually be something worth knowing the answer too.

Just in case you needed reminding. Best of luck with your search.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 20, 2020, 22:10:18 pm
Iím sure I havenít dreamed that Keith has mentioned that he missed out on his top targets.
Thatís my claim
You doubt my claim
Put up £500 and you can give my winnings to the clubs chosen charity.

I get lots of things wrong in life but Iím pretty sure Iím right on this.

A £1000 would go a long way for a charity so if you still doubt what Iím saying Iím prepared to pay out if he hasnít stated heís missed out on his top targets.

Iíve no axe to grind with either of you but Iím willing to step up to the mark and itís all for charity.



Just back up what you said and stop acting the ****... Nobody is going to offer money to anything in case you have got evidence. Itís a simple case of integrity. Stop gagging for attention.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 20, 2020, 22:36:33 pm
Youíve already slashed your Ďfactsí in half.

What youíre looking for is proof that KC has stated he has missed out on his top targets this season due to the size of his budget...
I think that's a bit disingenuous MC. What Shoey has said is Curle is on record as saying he missed out on his top targets this season. He's not saying Curle said this was because of the size of his budget. Shoey has made that assumption for you.
Do you have proof that Rose is the highest paid striker in league one?  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CobblerForever on December 20, 2020, 22:45:15 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-wont-put-cobblers-any-financial-risk-transfer-market-2938970

Shoey's proposition is insufficiently precise to be the subject of a bet.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 20, 2020, 22:46:35 pm
KC has said he missed out on some of his transfer targets. I don't think he actually said they were his top targets ( we can look at the squad and assume they were!) and he didn't say he failed to sign them because of his budget.
He didn't even say he couldn't get Oliver to re-sign because of his budget, it could have been length of contract, a club car or shares in Evans' favourite takeaway! :)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 20, 2020, 22:53:58 pm
I think that's a bit disingenuous MC. What Shoey has said is Curle is on record as saying he missed out on his top targets this season. He's not saying Curle said this was because of the size of his budget. Shoey has made that assumption for you.
Do you have proof that Rose is the highest paid striker in league one?  ;D

Itís all in the detail CJ 😄. Shoey has changed what he said from... Curle is on record as saying ďhe couldnít sign his first choice targetsĒ. To Saying, ďI missed out on my first choice targetsĒ. Pretty much what every manager says.

This was said in the context of a part of a thread where is was alleged that Curle was not allowed to sign who he wanted. Shoey has changed his own words, then offered a bet on a completely different sentence that he never quoted once. Not his original one.. 😁😁.  Never mind eh..


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 23:12:08 pm
In an interview piece entitled

James heneghans verdict on cobblers excellent opening day win over Cardiff city
Dated Monday 7th sept 2020

It states

ď the town manager himself has admitted to missing out on top targetsĒ

As I say Iím not tech savvy so canít get the article up but please trust me...

I knew I hadnít imagined it....

Thatís taken a technophobe like me ages to find the facts but there you go.

UTC.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 23:23:31 pm
Itís all in the detail CJ 😄. Shoey has changed what he said from... Curle is on record as saying ďhe couldnít sign his first choice targetsĒ. To Saying, ďI missed out on my first choice targetsĒ. Pretty much what every manager says.

This was said in the context of a part of a thread where is was alleged that Curle was not allowed to sign who he wanted. Shoey has changed his own words, then offered a bet on a completely different sentence that he never quoted once. Not his original one.. 😁😁.  Never mind eh..
In fairness if a manager misses out on top targets it is usually because they canít compete financially.
Sometimes itís location but Iíd hazard a guess 9/10 are down to finance
Whilst resting my case tonight I also found other interviews in which he said targets had signed for clubs in the league above.....
Youíd guess they offered more money....
It was also stated that David nugent had been at sixfields for talks and Keith fancied signing him.
The fact that nugent is currently on gardening leave (is being paid full wages to stay away from deepdale) indicated that we couldnít strike a deal with him.

From memory so no quotes Iím afraid nugent remarked on talk sport that heíd met Keith with a view to signing and hoped to go back for further talks.....
Iíd imagine the fact a deal couldnít be agreed was down to finance.

Iíd love to know why someone thought the way to attract better quality footballers was to offer them a low weekly wage plus incentives...
This has backfired spectacularly and in my opinion is a contributory factor in us being unable to attract the required standard of player for this division.

Just my hunch


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 23:38:24 pm
Itís all in the detail CJ 😄. Shoey has changed what he said from... Curle is on record as saying ďhe couldnít sign his first choice targetsĒ. To Saying, ďI missed out on my first choice targetsĒ. Pretty much what every manager says.

This was said in the context of a part of a thread where is was alleged that Curle was not allowed to sign who he wanted. Shoey has changed his own words, then offered a bet on a completely different sentence that he never quoted once. Not his original one.. 😁😁.  Never mind eh..
In fairness he couldnít sign his top targets
Not only could he not , he did not.

Missing out / couldnít sign /
Two cheeks of the same arse.

We did not successfully sign our top/first choice/ideal/number one       targets!!!

Iím happy enough to have trawled through god knows how many reports just to prove my memory was correct.

Feel free to keep spinning/digging as much as you wish.

Did we get our top targets No

Was it because they felt we offered them much more money than they were worth and would rather play for a low weekly wage with incentives.
I doubt it.

I rest my case.

Thankyou.....

Now is Keith still in charge?
Have the board issued an update?

Iíve no idea Iíve spent all evening justifying myself for the benefit of others.
Do me a favour chaps next time you wish to (wrongly) disbelieve me find your own fcuking evidence  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 20, 2020, 23:43:41 pm
In fairness if a manager misses out on top targets it is usually because they canít compete financially.
Sometimes itís location but Iíd hazard a guess 9/10 are down to finance
Whilst resting my case tonight I also found other interviews in which he said targets had signed for clubs in the league above.....
Youíd guess they offered more money....
It was also stated that David nugent had been at sixfields for talks and Keith fancied signing him.
The fact that nugent is currently on gardening leave (is being paid full wages to stay away from deepdale) indicated that we couldnít strike a deal with him.

From memory so no quotes Iím afraid nugent remarked on talk sport that heíd met Keith with a view to signing and hoped to go back for further talks.....
Iíd imagine the fact a deal couldnít be agreed was down to finance.

Iíd love to know why someone thought the way to attract better quality footballers was to offer them a low weekly wage plus incentives...
This has backfired spectacularly and in my opinion is a contributory factor in us being unable to attract the required standard of player for this division.

Just my hunch


You said it! :) :) ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: the grumpy old man on December 20, 2020, 23:44:31 pm
I'm sure I read on the Chronic website fairly recently that Curle stated he had missed out on certain targets that had gone to other clubs. I have a feeling it was around the time of the Fleetwood game, but I could be wrong on that.

I have looked on the Chronic website and specifically the articles on the Cobblers but it doesn't go back that far. It does say there is an archive and it does bring up a list of years but when I click on 2020 nothing happens. I have to say nothing happening in 2020 is unusual !

I am not going into a debate about it, perhaps someone more savvy can find the article.

Good luck Shoey  ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 20, 2020, 23:53:40 pm
I'm sure I read on the Chronic website fairly recently that Curle stated he had missed out on certain targets that had gone to other clubs. I have a feeling it was around the time of the Fleetwood game, but I could be wrong on that.

I have looked on the Chronic website and specifically the articles on the Cobblers but it doesn't go back that far. It does say there is an archive and it does bring up a list of years but when I click on 2020 nothing happens. I have to say nothing happening in 2020 is unusual !

I am not going into a debate about it, perhaps someone more savvy can find the article.

Good luck Shoey  ;)

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-reveals-fleetwood-pipped-cobblers-couple-players-summer-3053275


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2020, 23:54:38 pm
I'm sure I read on the Chronic website fairly recently that Curle stated he had missed out on certain targets that had gone to other clubs. I have a feeling it was around the time of the Fleetwood game, but I could be wrong on that.

I have looked on the Chronic website and specifically the articles on the Cobblers but it doesn't go back that far. It does say there is an archive and it does bring up a list of years but when I click on 2020 nothing happens. I have to say nothing happening in 2020 is unusual !

I am not going into a debate about it, perhaps someone more savvy can find the article.

Good luck Shoey  ;)
Careful
Youíll be asked for evidence from those who donít wish to believe  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 21, 2020, 00:02:42 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-reveals-fleetwood-pipped-cobblers-couple-players-summer-3053275
Very interesting regards signings
The key words for me are ďwerenít at their levelĒ
Anyone hazard a guess what Keithís getting at there?
Could this be another example of not being able to compete financially or do others wish to put another spin on it.....?

So far we have learnt Keith stated he missed out on his top targets
Tried to sign two players that went to Fleetwood because ďwe werenít at their levelĒ
Lost out on two signings who signed for higher level clubs.
Failed to agree a deal for David nugent who he would have liked to have signed.

Thereís a lot of info out there  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 21, 2020, 07:16:48 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-reveals-fleetwood-pipped-cobblers-couple-players-summer-3053275

Iíd say the article is completely misleading. Itís titled ĎCobblers pipped by Fleetwoodí, the quotes in the article say nothing about this... the closet reference I can find is below...

 "They've got a couple of players that we enquired about but we weren't at that level. It's a very competitive squad."


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 21, 2020, 07:48:57 am
In an interview piece entitled

James heneghans verdict on cobblers excellent opening day win over Cardiff city
Dated Monday 7th sept 2020

It states

ď the town manager himself has admitted to missing out on top targetsĒ

As I say Iím not tech savvy so canít get the article up but please trust me...

I knew I hadnít imagined it....

Thatís taken a technophobe like me ages to find the facts but there you go.

UTC.

Interestingly Iíve not been able to the article you reference. Needless to say your quote says absolutely nothing about the lack of budget which you have been stating all along. I assume youíd lodged your money with this charity youíre banging on about?

Ive also tried to find what your claiming and havenít been able to the closest I have come is below:

"Some of the players that I've spoken to have chosen to go down a route of more money and I completely and utterly understand it, but I haven't lost out on too many players that I don't think I can replace with better." 6th August

Despite already signing 10 players this summer, Cobblers chairman Kelvin Thomas confirmed he will give the green light for Curle to continue adding to his squad prior to the deadline on October 5th.

There is a massive difference in not having a competitive budget and not wishing to pay over the odds.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 21, 2020, 07:59:28 am
Interestingly Iíve not been able to the article you reference. Needless to say your quote says absolutely nothing about the lack of budget which you have been stating all along. I assume youíd lodged your money with this charity youíre banging on about?

Ive also tried to find what your claiming and havenít been able to the closest I have come is below:

"Some of the players that I've spoken to have chosen to go down a route of more money and I completely and utterly understand it, but I haven't lost out on too many players that I don't think I can replace with better." 6th August

Despite already signing 10 players this summer, Cobblers chairman Kelvin Thomas confirmed he will give the green light for Curle to continue adding to his squad prior to the deadline on October 5th.

There is a massive difference in not having a competitive budget and not wishing to pay over the odds.
The bet you were offered was clearly detailed
You asked for proof
Iíve provided it.
If you still wish to cause an argument when you have been proved wrong , have no arse , are all mouth but wonít back it up and despite overwhelming proof that we have missed out on top targets because we couldnít compete financially please continue to look a tit.

You are you know
Youíre looking a tit.


Oh and for a taste of your medicine why not try providing proof that Danny rose is league ones best paid striker. :D :D :D
Oh me sides :D :D :D

You wonít accept proof when itís given but come out with random nonsense that you wonít be able to prove because itís not true

What a tit  ;D




Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: tcobb on December 21, 2020, 08:02:34 am
Come on Billy lair, still waiting for the proof  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 21, 2020, 08:11:02 am
Very interesting regards signings
The key words for me are ďwerenít at their levelĒ
Anyone hazard a guess what Keithís getting at there?
Could this be another example of not being able to compete financially or do others wish to put another spin on it.....?

So far we have learnt Keith stated he missed out on his top targets
Tried to sign two players that went to Fleetwood because ďwe werenít at their levelĒ
Lost out on two signings who signed for higher level clubs.
Failed to agree a deal for David nugent who he would have liked to have signed.

Thereís a lot of info out there  ;D

I think you need to look at the bigger picture. Finances aside I highly doubt Northampton Town are up there in the footballing world as the club that aspiring footballers are wishing to ply their trade.

In my opinion, having a dinosaur of a manager thatís stuck in the Middle Ages with his style of play doesnít help matters.

Most summers we will miss out on a number of targets, letís face it our location, fan base, infrastructure, staff, style of play etc. are considerably behind our competitors.

Some managers in the past have overcome these hurdles. The current manager is failing to do so.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 21, 2020, 08:18:27 am
Come on Billy lair, still waiting for the proof  ;D
Donít you start being a tit as well tcobb  ;D

To be fair you havenít come out with ĎSam Hoskins is the highest paid striker in the worldí so you are nowhere near the level of tittery of the man who knows all about top strikers wages.

Danny rose the best paid league one striker

What a whopper :D :D :D

Proof
Proof
If you canít prove it your a liar
Proof
Proof
 :D :D :D :D

Danny Rose the best....
Oh me sides
paid striker....
Stop it
Just stop it
Il wet me self

Fcuking Danny rose.....
£££££
 :D :D :D

David nugent must be gutted , we couldnít sign him but then made Danny rose the...
Stop it
Best paid
Oh my god
Striker in league one
 :D :D :D

Mysterious curle
 :D :D :D

You are comedy gold
In fairness you are priceless during these tough times
Donít  whatever you do
 stop posting even if itís rubbish thatís not true.
We all need cheering up during these times and while you do make yourself look a tit you are worth your weight in gold.
You may be a bit daft but at least youíre our daft and you support the right team

Proof
Proof
 :D :D :D

Tcobb my cobblers supporting pal you are nowhere near mysterious curles level

Danny pissing rose
 :D :D

 ;D ;D ;D




Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 21, 2020, 08:22:13 am
I think this thread is getting close to being the most tedious, childish, petty spat this board has ever seen.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 21, 2020, 08:25:47 am
I think this thread is getting close to being the most tedious, childish, petty spat this board has ever seen.
You may be right
Iíve proved my point and il dry my pants regards Danny rose the galactico and let others carry on...

Letís get the thread back on track

Anyway is Keith still in charge?
Has the board made a statement?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 21, 2020, 08:29:26 am
I think you need to look at the bigger picture. Finances aside I highly doubt Northampton Town are up there in the footballing world as the club that aspiring footballers are wishing to ply their trade.

In my opinion, having a dinosaur of a manager thatís stuck in the Middle Ages with his style of play doesnít help matters.

Most summers we will miss out on a number of targets, letís face it our location, fan base, infrastructure, staff, style of play etc. are considerably behind our competitors.

Some managers in the past have overcome these hurdles. The current manager is failing to do so.

Credit where itís due I agree that Keith isnít doing himself any favours with his style of play he has a squad very low on quality with little invention and no cutting edge.
I think itís beyond him to adapt and the step up to league one is a big one


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 21, 2020, 08:37:06 am
You may be right
Iíve proved my point and il dry my pants regards Danny rose the galactico and let others carry on...

Letís get the thread back on track

Anyway is Keith still in charge?
Has the board made a statement?

I must admit Iím hugely concerned my throw away Rose comment has got so much air time!

Itís amazing what some people on here start to believe if you state it as fact without any evidence...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 21, 2020, 08:44:15 am
Disappointed he is still here but not surprised.
There are no rumours either from within that i know of.
At the end of the day , KT is abroad and not coming back anytime soon .
Whiting wonít carry out the deed .
Curle has too much autonomy ( however is he allowed to train on that pitch every day ).
There could be a lot more pain inflicted yet .


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 08:53:07 am
The postponement of the Ipswich game will prolong the agony.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 21, 2020, 09:11:07 am
I think this thread is getting close to being the most tedious, childish, petty spat this board has ever seen.
Bit subjective BOTN, arguably you you could say that about any of them?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 21, 2020, 09:21:45 am
Very interesting regards signings
The key words for me are ďwerenít at their levelĒ
Anyone hazard a guess what Keithís getting at there?
Could this be another example of not being able to compete financially or do others wish to put another spin on it.....?

So far we have learnt Keith stated he missed out on his top targets
Tried to sign two players that went to Fleetwood because ďwe werenít at their levelĒ
Lost out on two signings who signed for higher level clubs.
Failed to agree a deal for David nugent who he would have liked to have signed.

Thereís a lot of info out there  ;D

"We weren't at their level"

That is easy to explain, even for a pea brain like me.
When the approaches for the said players were made, Fleetwood were in the  league 1 play off places, we were either a) newly promoted, b) league 2 having not yet won the play offs.
The targets chose the established league1 team.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on December 21, 2020, 09:59:02 am
"We weren't at their level"

That is easy to explain, even for a pea brain like me.
When the approaches for the said players were made, Fleetwood were in the  league 1 play off places, we were either a) newly promoted, b) league 2 having not yet won the play offs.
The targets chose the established league1 team.


God forbid, folk would take a new job for more money!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on December 21, 2020, 10:31:11 am
An interesting debate with people making statements and others asking for evidence. BUT, if i had to chose which statement to put my house on , either
Curle missed out on some signings due to budget constraints        or           Danny Rose is the highest paid striker in League 1

 I know where my money would be  :P


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 21, 2020, 10:47:06 am
An interesting debate with people making statements and others asking for evidence. BUT, if i had to chose which statement to put my house on , either
Curle missed out on some signings due to budget constraints        or           Danny Rose is the highest paid striker in League 1

 I know where my money would be  :P

 ;D ;D ;D
IF Danny Rose IS the highest paid striker in league 1 his agent should be the highest earning agent in the world!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: random on December 21, 2020, 11:47:06 am
Am I missing something?   Has KC suddenly changed his style of play?   Before he joined us did he play neat attacking football?  was he known as a modern day, adaptable coach?  Last season did he get success by playing tippy tappy, build-up football?  Had he had a successful managerial career with promotions and player development success?

NO NO NO NO & NO

KT knew exactly what we were getting, a safe, simple, experienced dinosaur of a manager. That is what we still have now. Everyone knows we would not have been promoted in a normal season. Now looking at KT & DB, have they EVER demonstrated any level of ambition for NTFC? Did they build on their 'lucky' success of their 1st season, did they develop any part of the ground or club over and beyond what any other club has done (social media & community). 

again No NO NO & NO

Now when we find ourselves in a very tough League 1 with a manager out of his depth, given a team that is no where near up to dealing with his style of play, last season we had Oliver and Wharton who have been replaced with Smith & Horsfield (who is if we had been relegated and not promoted, would have struggled), and a board who have no passion and little commitment to the club other than to keep it afloat.

KC has not changed anything, never has, never will. He can't get the players he needs, in a higher league, at a club with no plan or ambition other than to survive

Us fans played a massive, massive part in our previous promotion, and also the Ian Atkins one too, but this time we are not there to provide the drive forward,

 so why do some of you expect us to be in a different situation than we currently are?   


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boatman on December 21, 2020, 12:00:35 pm
I normally read and don't post but I have got a bit tired of the more vocal and active online perceiving themselves as the majority of opinion.

The football is poor, but I do not see an alternative with the current budget and staff whoever is in charge. We lost pretty much a whole team at the end of last season. If we had started this season with the same team I think the difference in level would have showed. Having to put a new team together with much of the quality from last year gone was always going to be a huge challenge.

Having been a Cobblers fan for many years, and being a realist, I would have taken our current League position had I have been offered it at the start of the year. We could have been going in to Christmas already dead and buried. As it stands we have a chance of staying at this level. I would much rather go in to January with Curle knowing the limitations of what he has got, and with an idea of what needs to be added to keep us in this league.  

Hitting the panic button in December when you are not rock bottom could cost a lot more than it gains. It is frustrating when you combine a bad run or results with crap football, but change is not always the answer and the vocal 'majority' would do well to remember things can get a lot worse. If we change managers now we could end up with worse than what we have (it has happened before!), and paying to get a new manager in is going to cost us players on the pitch or increasing the budget, which could hurt us beyond this season.

To all the "Curle out" believers - what did you expect, and do you really think it was realistic?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Knockingonabit on December 21, 2020, 12:10:39 pm
I suspect the majority of the "Curle out believers" expected exactly what we are getting...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 12:12:31 pm
I normally read and don't post but I have got a bit tired of the more vocal and active online perceiving themselves as the majority of opinion.

The football is poor, but I do not see an alternative with the current budget and staff whoever is in charge. We lost pretty much a whole team at the end of last season. If we had started this season with the same team I think the difference in level would have showed. Having to put a new team together with much of the quality from last year gone was always going to be a huge challenge.

Having been a Cobblers fan for many years, and being a realist, I would have taken our current League position had I have been offered it at the start of the year. We could have been going in to Christmas already dead and buried. As it stands we have a chance of staying at this level. I would much rather go in to January with Curle knowing the limitations of what he has got, and with an idea of what needs to be added to keep us in this league.  

Hitting the panic button in December when you are not rock bottom could cost a lot more than it gains. It is frustrating when you combine a bad run or results with crap football, but change is not always the answer and the vocal 'majority' would do well to remember things can get a lot worse. If we change managers now we could end up with worse than what we have (it has happened before!), and paying to get a new manager in is going to cost us players on the pitch or increasing the budget, which could hurt us beyond this season.

To all the "Curle out" believers - what did you expect, and do you really think it was realistic?
You havenít watch many games this season have you? Please explain how it could possibly get worse😂
Weíve just been pumped 4-0 3 times this season and have the worst goal difference in the league.
I expect to have a competitive team, lower mid table, that would be enough, this team is the worst in the league.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 21, 2020, 12:37:32 pm
I guess he's going nowhere then.....

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/chairman-thomas-wont-make-kneejerk-decisions-plans-add-league-one-quality-january-3074773


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boatman on December 21, 2020, 12:41:19 pm
You havenít watch many games this season have you? Please explain how it could possibly get worse😂
Weíve just been pumped 4-0 3 times this season and have the worst goal difference in the league.
I expect to have a competitive team, lower mid table, that would be enough, this team is the worst in the league.


The league table suggests differently.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 21, 2020, 12:53:25 pm
Judging by what KT says in his latest video he's not about to sack the manager.
Therefore all most of us can do now is get behind KC and the players and hope for improvements in January.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 12:56:44 pm
Does it, wait until weíve played all the games.
With this squad we will be bottom,
 Anyway  -19 worst in the league now Fact.
Next.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boatman on December 21, 2020, 13:07:13 pm
Does it, wait until weíve played all the games.
With this squad we will be bottom,
 Anyway  -19 worst in the league now Fact.
Next.

Bottom with all games played = opinion.
19th worst is a success in my book.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3264 on December 21, 2020, 13:15:16 pm
Let's wait an see the quality of the January signings promised by KT.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 21, 2020, 13:15:53 pm
Bottom with all games played = opinion.
19th worst is a success in my book.

For some success would have been "doing a Wycombe" and achieving back to back promotions.
For others success would have been a stable mid-table position
For others success would be finishing 20th (which is where we are now btw, not 19th!)

Not everyone reads the same book.....


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 21, 2020, 13:20:35 pm
Judging by what KT says in his latest video he's not about to sack the manager.
Therefore all most of us can do now is get behind KC and the players and hope for improvements in January.

Not surprised at all - might be interesting to hear the views from both sides of the argument!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 13:21:56 pm
Bottom with all games played = opinion.
19th worst is a success in my book.
Ok Iíll make it a bit more clear for you.
We are currently in 20th position ( Shrewsbury have a better goal difference and 2 games in hand, they are in 21st)
We have a goal difference of -19 worst in the league.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 13:23:51 pm
Not surprised at all - might be interesting to hear the views from both sides of the argument!
Hello Evers old chum, I thought KT spoke well and if he back KC in Jan then we may stay up, KC needs to change his style of play and just play like we did in the play offs.
UTC.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 21, 2020, 13:28:17 pm
Ok Iíll make it a bit more clear for you.
We are currently in 20th position ( Shrewsbury have a better goal difference and 2 games in hand, they are in 21st)
We have a goal difference of -19 worst in the league.

Don't forget that we could be 21st tomorrow night if Shrews pick up a point, or that we will definitely be 21st, if not 22nd if we don't play on Boxing Day as Wigan and Shrewsbury meet each other.

Don't forget that we have scored 5 league goals in 10 home games
Don't forget that we have the worst goal difference in the league,
Don't forget that we have just lost back to back games by 4 goals for the first time in 54 years.
Don't forget that we have lost 4 league games in a row, no other team in League 1 is in that position currently.

Apart from that we're doing ok......


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 13:37:14 pm
Don't forget that we could be 21st tomorrow night if Shrews pick up a point, or that we will definitely be 21st, if not 22nd if we don't play on Boxing Day as Wigan and Shrewsbury meet each other.

Don't forget that we have scored 5 league goals in 10 home games
Don't forget that we have the worst goal difference in the league,
Don't forget that we have just lost back to back games by 4 goals for the first time in 54 years.
Don't forget that we have lost 4 league games in a row, no other team in League 1 is in that position currently.

Apart from that we're doing ok......
Apparently Mr Boarman thinks this represents success  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 21, 2020, 13:44:45 pm
If all that matters is where we are in the League come May 8th then its all academic.......  ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on December 21, 2020, 13:46:36 pm
Don't forget that before saturday Plymouth had lost 6 in a row.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boatman on December 21, 2020, 14:48:41 pm
Apparently Mr Boarman thinks this represents success  ;D

Absolutely, especially compared to a good few of the last 35 years especially (don't forget ;)). This time last year I would have took where we are now, wouldn't you? - Serious question.

It would be great to see us doing a Wycombe, we have been close twice in my time BUT ambition is a double edge sword. Without a solid financial foundation it could hurt us badly. No club has a solid financial foundation in these times.

Staying in this league would be good. Playing some decent football would be a bonus. Staying solvent is essential, and sacking managers is expensive. 



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 15:23:17 pm
Absolutely, especially compared to a good few of the last 35 years especially (don't forget ;)). This time last year I would have took where we are now, wouldn't you? - Serious question.

It would be great to see us doing a Wycombe, we have been close twice in my time BUT ambition is a double edge sword. Without a solid financial foundation it could hurt us badly. No club has a solid financial foundation in these times.

Staying in this league would be good. Playing some decent football would be a bonus. Staying solvent is essential, and sacking managers is expensive. 


Canít disagree with any of that, would be very happy to stay in this division BUT there simply has to be more entertainment.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 21, 2020, 15:56:25 pm
KT seems to have changed his ways.
'We've been doing this long enough not to be kneejerk' (or similar).
How many games into the season were we before Edinburgh got binned?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 21, 2020, 16:00:23 pm
KT seems to have changed his ways.
'We've been doing this long enough not to be kneejerk' (or similar).
How many games into the season were we before Edinburgh got binned?


Six.....four defeats from 4 in the league, a 1-0 defeat at QPR in the League Cup, and a penalty shootout win over Cambridge in the Trophy which proved to be his last game in charge.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 16:04:07 pm
Six.....four defeats from 4 in the league, a 1-0 defeat at QPR in the League Cup, and a penalty shootout win over Cambridge in the Trophy which proved to be his last game in charge.
I hope itís the dreaded vote of confidence  :P


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 21, 2020, 16:31:01 pm
KT seems to have changed his ways.
'We've been doing this long enough not to be kneejerk' (or similar).
How many games into the season were we before Edinburgh got binned?


But he left it too late to bin JFH. KT admitted this after the season ended and we were relegated I seem to remember.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on December 21, 2020, 16:59:03 pm
But he left it too late to bin JFH. KT admitted this after the season ended and we were relegated I seem to remember.
And too hasty in taking him on?!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 17:01:17 pm
But he left it too late to bin JFH. KT admitted this after the season ended and we were relegated I seem to remember.
I would add that the football on offer is WORSE than the utter drivel offered up by JFH.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on December 21, 2020, 17:12:39 pm
I would add that the football on offer is WORSE than the utter drivel offered up by JFH.
And, worse than the football offered up by Page. At least we didn't get absolutely battered by a non league outfit, just merely beaten.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 17:34:03 pm
And, worse than the football offered up by Page. At least we didn't get absolutely battered by a non league outfit, just merely beaten.
;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on December 21, 2020, 17:59:18 pm
So KC is here for the foreseeable  ::)

He's assembled a poor L2 squad with no leaders or the quality needed to compete in L1 (bar Sheehan & Holmes who were desperate non contract signings anyway), yet he met all the signings face to face at least twice to make sure they had the characteristics needed.

He's now entrusted to recruit in the hardest  transfer window...ie January!

Smacks of JFH all over again...

Happy Christmas everyone!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 21, 2020, 18:01:03 pm
I sense a bit of melodramatic disappointment with some of the comments on here >:D.  Yet not one thought for poor old Squadron Leader Dan DFC  whose whole 'Raison d'etre' was the abrupt demise of the great Keith. Possibly GPC as well who has worked tirelessly to achieve the same result. Bad luck chaps your turn may yet come?  As it is now the party season am not sure if all you guys were to hold a party it might be pretty low on Esprit de corps! Chin up chaps!
Talking to one of the lovely office ladies she reminded me of the truly generous offer by one fan who although an ST insisted he should still pay for his tkt!
Any ideas who that true gent and supporter might be?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 21, 2020, 18:05:44 pm
I normally read and don't post but I have got a bit tired of the more vocal and active online perceiving themselves as the majority of opinion.

The football is poor, but I do not see an alternative with the current budget and staff whoever is in charge. We lost pretty much a whole team at the end of last season. If we had started this season with the same team I think the difference in level would have showed. Having to put a new team together with much of the quality from last year gone was always going to be a huge challenge.

Having been a Cobblers fan for many years, and being a realist, I would have taken our current League position had I have been offered it at the start of the year. We could have been going in to Christmas already dead and buried. As it stands we have a chance of staying at this level. I would much rather go in to January with Curle knowing the limitations of what he has got, and with an idea of what needs to be added to keep us in this league.  

Hitting the panic button in December when you are not rock bottom could cost a lot more than it gains. It is frustrating when you combine a bad run or results with crap football, but change is not always the answer and the vocal 'majority' would do well to remember things can get a lot worse. If we change managers now we could end up with worse than what we have (it has happened before!), and paying to get a new manager in is going to cost us players on the pitch or increasing the budget, which could hurt us beyond this season.

To all the "Curle out" believers - what did you expect, and do you really think it was realistic?

Beginning to warm to your sentiments  - such steadfast common sense related comments. Keep it up!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 21, 2020, 18:13:17 pm
And, worse than the football offered up by Page. At least we didn't get absolutely battered by a non league outfit, just merely beaten.

Tippy Tappy Dean Austin played your type of football............................. ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 21, 2020, 18:24:29 pm
Hello Evers old chum, I thought KT spoke well and if he back KC in Jan then we may stay up, KC needs to change his style of play and just play like we did in the play offs.
UTC.

As always old chap truly magnanimous. Well played 8)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on December 21, 2020, 19:32:16 pm
I sense a bit of melodramatic disappointment with some of the comments on here >:D.  Yet not one thought for poor old Squadron Leader Dan DFC  whose whole 'Raison d'etre' was the abrupt demise of the great Keith. Possibly GPC as well who has worked tirelessly to achieve the same result. Bad luck chaps your turn may yet come?  
Do you get some sort of enjoyment with posts like this ?  ::)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Zen Master on December 21, 2020, 19:39:38 pm
Bring Hilderberto BACK


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 19:43:17 pm
Bring Hilderberto BACK
Would certainly liven it up a bit  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 21, 2020, 19:50:32 pm
Do you get some sort of enjoyment with posts like this ?  ::)

You're fortunate, you don't get to see ALL of the posts he deletes after he has posted them...  ::)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on December 21, 2020, 19:54:37 pm
Do you get some sort of enjoyment with posts like this ?  ::)


Just a little different :(



Deja Vous perhaps ?  It was meant to be a little humourous


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 21, 2020, 19:57:49 pm
I sense a bit of melodramatic disappointment with some of the comments on here >:D.  Yet not one thought for poor old Squadron Leader Dan DFC  whose whole 'Raison d'etre' was the abrupt demise of the great Keith. Possibly GPC as well who has worked tirelessly to achieve the same result. Bad luck chaps your turn may yet come?  As it is now the party season am not sure if all you guys were to hold a party it might be pretty low on Esprit de corps! Chin up chaps!
Talking to one of the lovely office ladies she reminded me of the truly generous offer by one fan who although an ST insisted he should still pay for his tkt!
Any ideas who that true gent and supporter might be?

"Worked tirelessly"??

As usual you manage to make yourself look a right d1ckhead with comments like that.......same old Everbrite, quick with the digs and snipes, woefully short of any substance!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 21, 2020, 19:59:40 pm
I sense a bit of melodramatic disappointment with some of the comments on here >:D.  Yet not one thought for poor old Squadron Leader Dan DFC  whose whole 'Raison d'etre' was the abrupt demise of the great Keith. Possibly GPC as well who has worked tirelessly to achieve the same result. Bad luck chaps your turn may yet come?  As it is now the party season am not sure if all you guys were to hold a party it might be pretty low on Esprit de corps! Chin up chaps!
Talking to one of the lovely office ladies she reminded me of the truly generous offer by one fan who although an ST insisted he should still pay for his tkt!
Any ideas who that true gent and supporter might be?

Reason for my lack of comment is firstly a full day at work so apologies. Glad Iím on your mind.

All Iíll say is that if that isnít merely the dreaded vote of confidence and he actually is keeping Curle long term, goodbye to my season ticket money.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 21, 2020, 20:03:45 pm
Canít disagree with any of that, would be very happy to stay in this division BUT there simply has to be more entertainment.


There will have to be more entertainment to get enough points to stay in this division, fingers crossed!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2020, 20:09:10 pm
There will have to be more entertainment to get enough points to stay in this division, fingers crossed!
👍👍👍👍


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on December 21, 2020, 20:15:54 pm
There will have to be more entertainment to get enough points to stay in this division, fingers crossed!

Wrong.More wins get points.
I give heart and soul for wins.
Pretty football for softheads.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on December 21, 2020, 20:35:02 pm
"Worked tirelessly"??

As usual you manage to make yourself look a right d1ckhead with comments like that.......same old Everbrite, quick with the digs and snipes, woefully short of any substance!

Old mans an embarrassment mate. Take it as a compliment that we bother him enough  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on December 21, 2020, 20:56:26 pm
Wrong.More wins get points.
I give heart and soul for wins.
Pretty football for softheads.



More points means more goals = more entertainment :)
Pretty football = icing on the cake ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on December 21, 2020, 21:21:01 pm
More points means more goals = more entertainment :)
Pretty football = icing on the cake ;)

Mr.Claret.I take 1-0 every day =shots for 1, shots against 25.  :)

We all want our heros to succeed.We want other teams to suck-seed.

changes in January will bring big hearts to team Old heros will leaf.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 21, 2020, 21:49:06 pm
You may be right
Iíve proved my point

The only point youíve proved, it that you changed what you said in the bet, and you changed the whole context of point YOU was making.

Look at what you offered to bet on. Then look at what you said.

Either way, Iím bored of you now. Iím just feeding you further..


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 21, 2020, 22:03:11 pm
The only point youíve proved, it that you changed what you said in the bet, and you changed the whole context of point YOU was making.

Look at what you offered to bet on. Then look at what you said.

Either way, Iím bored of you now. Iím just feeding you further..
Iíve been bored of you for a long while  :D
Please donít comment further go and bore someone else  ::)
Tick tock.....


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on December 21, 2020, 22:06:23 pm
MRHamster:  The only point youíve proved, it that you changed what you said in the bet, and you changed the whole context of point YOU was making.

Look at what you offered to bet on. Then look at what you said.

Either way, Iím bored of you now. Iím just feeding you further..


Iíve been bored of you for a long while  :D
Please donít comment further go and bore someone else  ::)
Tick tock.....

Mr.Gentlemen.Please fight other teams.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 21, 2020, 23:01:50 pm
Itís been pointed out on here that on top of the bailout there is emergency additional funding that clubs can apply for if they run into difficulties? May I suggest that if we get rid of KC and pay off his recently signed 2 year contract the persons holding the purse strings may consider this reckless behaviour and decline any application on this basis? It would be hardly fair to hand over cash to clubs who have continued to spend to buy success when other clubs have been prudent and acted responsibly? Itís an angle worth considering? Otherwise we might as well go for a big money striker and centre half to boot and get them to foot the bill indirectly, sounds fair?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 21, 2020, 23:11:53 pm
Itís been pointed out on here that on top of the bailout there is emergency additional funding that clubs can apply for if they run into difficulties? May I suggest that if we get rid of KC and pay off his recently signed 2 year contract the persons holding the purse strings may consider this reckless behaviour and decline any application on this basis? It would be hardly fair to hand over cash to clubs who have continued to spend to buy success when other clubs have been prudent and acted responsibly? Itís an angle worth considering? Otherwise we might as well go for a big money striker and centre half to boot and get them to foot the bill indirectly, sounds fair?
Not if we appoint from within .
Anything is better than what we have currently .
Also , how do you know KC doesnít want to get out ? He has gone as far as he can go and might like some time off


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 21, 2020, 23:23:20 pm
Not if we appoint from within .
Anything is better than what we have currently .
Also , how do you know KC doesnít want to get out ? He has gone as far as he can go and might like some time off
Still possibly paying off a 2 year contract B&S, unless he resigns? In which case you have not been reckless and could justifiably claim for additional funding?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on December 22, 2020, 02:27:55 am
Still possibly paying off a 2 year contract B&S, unless he resigns? In which case you have not been reckless and could justifiably claim for additional funding?
Answer=keep manager who made a **** team into promotionlast year.
Maybe, time to bet big on NTFC?Before big sinings?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on December 22, 2020, 10:12:55 am
I’ve been bored of you for a long while  :D
Please don’t comment further go and bore someone else  ::)
Tick tock.....

You can't fight in here, this is the war room.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CobblerForever on December 22, 2020, 21:15:26 pm
Pierre has just put the Shrews ahead at Doncaster, adding to Keith's woes and potentially putting us in the Bottom 4 at Christmas.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Grove on December 22, 2020, 21:39:27 pm
Bottom 4 by one point, 3 teams above have games in hand , now who are these 4 worse teams again ?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shoemaker on December 22, 2020, 21:58:34 pm
Bottom 4 by one point, 3 teams above have games in hand , now who are these 4 worse teams again ?
:D :D :D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 23, 2020, 05:47:18 am
I honestly cant believe he hasnt been sacked yet.
I wont be watching anymore while hes here
Thommo is sticking with Curle and will give the transfer window. Wouldnt be surprised if its the 4 teams currently in the bottom 4 that go down.
Doomed unless theres another pandemic


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 23, 2020, 06:58:18 am
I honestly cant believe he hasnt been sacked yet.
I wont be watching anymore while hes here
Thommo is sticking with Curle and will give the transfer window. Wouldnt be surprised if its the 4 teams currently in the bottom 4 that go down.
Doomed unless theres another pandemic

I didn't realise, has the 'first' pandemic finished over there then?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 23, 2020, 11:55:11 am
Still possibly paying off a 2 year contract B&S, unless he resigns? In which case you have not been reckless and could justifiably claim for additional funding?

Some managers leave "by mutual consent", ie a deal is struck which might not necessarily cover the full term remaining on the contract. Of course he could walk into another job in the next 18 months which again means we don't have to pay him the full amount left on his contract....only make up the balance should the new job pay less than he was getting with us.

Only if we sack him and he doesn't get another job anywhere else do we "have to keep paying for him for two years".....


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 23, 2020, 12:09:43 pm
If you look at the statistics (shots faced, taken, conversion of chances etc) we are bottom 2 at the moment for sure. It certaintly isn't impossible that we turn it around though, so if KC doesn't want to pull the plug then I'm willing to keep the faith a little longer, but it requires a transformation of how we play and results.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 23, 2020, 12:27:44 pm
If you look at the statistics (shots faced, taken, conversion of chances etc) we are bottom 2 at the moment for sure. It certaintly isn't impossible that we turn it around though, so if KC doesn't want to pull the plug then I'm willing to keep the faith a little longer, but it requires a transformation of how we play and results.

The annoying thing is that we are capable of playing a different way...we've seen fleeting glimpses of it over Curles tenure, playoffs, Burton, a small number of league games.....so it is possible.
Whether we can play a different way with the personnel we have at the moment is more debatable, we do not have the leaders in the team this season that we did last season. We do have players who need to be allowed to express themselves more...i'm thinking Holmes, Watson, Adams to name three. We know what Holmes can do, or at least could do, but he's not allowed to do that in the current setup under the current manager.

Thats whats got to change.....we have a sprinkling of quality within the squad, we have a small amount of experience within the squad, for gods sake Keith, just change the mindset a bit. Stop being so concerned with the opponents strengths and stop building your whole system around stopping the opponents from playing. Its not working!! Lets play our own game and let the opposition worry about us for a change.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 23, 2020, 12:30:37 pm
Some managers leave "by mutual consent", ie a deal is struck which might not necessarily cover the full term remaining on the contract. Of course he could walk into another job in the next 18 months which again means we don't have to pay him the full amount left on his contract....only make up the balance should the new job pay less than he was getting with us.

Only if we sack him and he doesn't get another job anywhere else do we "have to keep paying for him for two years".....
All a bit possibly and maybe though GPC? Personally Iím sticking with the prudence preference. I should say that I am not enjoying the experience of watching the team at the moment. Therefore itís the broken arm or broken leg analogy. I see the financial restraint option as very much broken arm. I.E you donít fancy the idea of either option, but one is decidedly worse than the other?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 23, 2020, 12:55:33 pm
The annoying thing is that we are capable of playing a different way...we've seen fleeting glimpses of it over Curles tenure, playoffs, Burton, a small number of league games.....so it is possible.
Whether we can play a different way with the personnel we have at the moment is more debatable, we do not have the leaders in the team this season that we did last season. We do have players who need to be allowed to express themselves more...i'm thinking Holmes, Watson, Adams to name three. We know what Holmes can do, or at least could do, but he's not allowed to do that in the current setup under the current manager.

Thats whats got to change.....we have a sprinkling of quality within the squad, we have a small amount of experience within the squad, for gods sake Keith, just change the mindset a bit. Stop being so concerned with the opponents strengths and stop building your whole system around stopping the opponents from playing. Its not working!! Lets play our own game and let the opposition worry about us for a change.

The only time we have 'fleeting glimpses' were when he was on a shot to nothing. At all other times, he plays with too much caution which produces the performances we see all too regular.
Maybe if he was assured of his job even if we didn't get the results, he could possibly release the reins more often?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 23, 2020, 13:21:13 pm
why has nothing been said about Racic being sent back to Brentford ?
if he is worst than Bolger and Horsfall he must be truly awful


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 23, 2020, 13:39:07 pm
why has nothing been said about Racic being sent back to Brentford ?
if he is worst than Bolger and Horsfall he must be truly awful

He sure was / is. Definitely the worst of a bad bunch.

It makes you question if we knew who he was and what he was capable of before signing him? Looks like Brentford did a job on us taking Goode then letting us pay the wages of a Sunday league player for the season.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 23, 2020, 13:43:01 pm
why has nothing been said about Racic being sent back to Brentford ?
if he is worst than Bolger and Horsfall he must be truly awful

Because they probably can't 'officially' cancel his loan until January at the earliest. Hence, no mention until January; I would suggest.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on December 23, 2020, 13:56:47 pm
Dear oh dear https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-thrilled-land-racic-bees-2949441


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on December 23, 2020, 14:01:21 pm
Why are all of the rumour threads locked?. Summer 2020 thread locked, January 2021 thread locked, as I had seen a rumour on twitter I had to start a new thread to post it which has immediately been locked. Are the administrators banning any rumours being posted and if so why?.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 23, 2020, 14:03:53 pm
Why are all of the rumour threads locked?. Summer 2020 thread locked, January 2021 thread locked, as I had seen a rumour on twitter I had to start a new thread to post it which has immediately been locked. Are the administrators banning any rumours being posted and if so why?.

There is already a rumours thread for you to post for New Year 2021:
http://www.smfserver.com/forums/thehotelend/index.php?topic=19813.0


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: the grumpy old man on December 23, 2020, 14:10:32 pm
It's right at the very top. I can't say I had noticed it, I don't look for threads there. Still I know now!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 23, 2020, 14:12:15 pm
There is already a rumours thread for you to post for New Year 2021:
http://www.smfserver.com/forums/thehotelend/index.php?topic=19813.0

Deepcut - Can it be moved from the section it appears in? It seems to have a pin at the side (I'm no tech man, as you can tell). People will find it better if it's listed in the normal way. Just a suggestion.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on December 23, 2020, 14:15:02 pm
Not surprising that I did not see it as I never look up there, it needs moving down.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 12, 2021, 21:43:14 pm
shall I bring this back to the top page?

After tonight's defeat that's 16 home games played this season in all competitions....and failed to score in TEN of them!

Just as well no fans are allowed in I reckon!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on January 12, 2021, 21:56:02 pm
shall I bring this back to the top page?

After tonight's defeat that's 16 home games played this season in all competitions....and failed to score in TEN of them!

Just as well no fans are allowed in I reckon!!
Iíve got a feeling this will be busy in the next few days. He just has to go, the style of play is atrocious.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Wanderingteyn on January 12, 2021, 22:01:10 pm
I think we have to accept he isn't going anywhere. We can disagree all we like but there has been zero indication from KT that he doesn't back KC.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 12, 2021, 22:49:39 pm
I think we have to accept he isn't going anywhere. We can disagree all we like but there has been zero indication from KT that he doesn't back KC.

This is true......


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on January 13, 2021, 08:22:03 am
I think we have to accept he isn't going anywhere. We can disagree all we like but there has been zero indication from KT that he doesn't back KC.
I think this just goes to show how much KT cares about the club, from a half finished stand on one side to broken windows and peeling paint on the other.....as for the style of play and quality of squad, they kind of all go together.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on January 13, 2021, 14:56:03 pm
I think we have to accept he isn't going anywhere. We can disagree all we like but there has been zero indication from KT that he doesn't back KC.

Agreed.

Might as well lock this thread.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on January 13, 2021, 15:03:24 pm
Remember this is one of the only ways we can show the club what we are thinking!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 15:03:48 pm

I wont be watching anymore while hes here
..............................................................................

Hurrah - proper cry baby :o


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 15:57:33 pm
The annoying thing is that we are capable of playing a different way...we've seen fleeting glimpses of it over Curles tenure, playoffs, Burton, a small number of league games.....so it is possible.
Whether we can play a different way with the personnel we have at the moment is more debatable, we do not have the leaders in the team this season that we did last season. We do have players who need to be allowed to express themselves more...i'm thinking Holmes, Watson, Adams to name three. We know what Holmes can do, or at least could do, but he's not allowed to do that in the current setup under the current manager.

Thats whats got to change.....we have a sprinkling of quality within the squad, we have a small amount of experience within the squad, for gods sake Keith, just change the mindset a bit. Stop being so concerned with the opponents strengths and stop building your whole system around stopping the opponents from playing. Its not working!! Lets play our own game and let the opposition worry about us for a change.

What I cant quite fathom is that when someone posts well founded comments based on and/or including :  loss of the sides spine, pandemic and lack of suitable personnel ; (GPC) simply proposes that the team be allowed to express themselves and even bring up the Ricky H red herring! It needs a more sympathetic even lateral study.... Clearly at the moment we are lacking players with sufficient quality or adaptability! Fairly well known at the moment you dislike the current Manager so hoping that does not entirely influence your opinion.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on January 13, 2021, 16:00:39 pm
Everbrite, who was responsible for putting this Team together and more importantly directing the style of play?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 16:08:46 pm
Everbrite, who was responsible for putting this Team together and more importantly directing the style of play?

Well Einstein its perhaps better to make these points when putting together an argument/opinion. Sort of helps the debate ::)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 13, 2021, 16:22:00 pm
What I cant quite fathom is that when someone posts well founded comments based on and/or including :  loss of the sides spine, pandemic and lack of suitable personnel ; (GPC) simply proposes that the team be allowed to express themselves and even bring up the Ricky H red herring! It needs a more sympathetic even lateral study.... Clearly at the moment we are lacking players with insufficient quality or adaptability! Fairly well known at the moment you dislike the current Manager so hoping that does not entirely influence your opinion.

Why did you wait three weeks before coming back with this personal snipe?

Read my post again and get some of it into your thick head....I said there is quality within the squad, I said there is experience in the squad, as for the Holmes "red herring"....is that what it is? A red herring? Do you have proof of that?

Hoping your dark very claret tinted spectacles are not influencing your opinion.......if you even have one that is?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 16:42:13 pm
Why did you wait three weeks before coming back with this personal snipe?

Read my post again and get some of it into your thick head....I said there is quality within the squad, I said there is experience in the squad, as for the Holmes "red herring"....is that what it is? A red herring? Do you have proof of that?

Hoping your dark very claret tinted spectacles are not influencing your opinion.......if you even have one that is?

As a matter of interest where is the snipe?  I am afraid you have missed the point completely. I don't think there is sufficient quality at all let alone suitable experience - like McCormack and Goode for example. Red Herring on the RH; don't really need proof other than his recent displays! Its just an opinion that's all. I have the misfortune not to share yours  :o


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on January 13, 2021, 17:04:00 pm
I think this just goes to show how much KT cares about the club, from a half finished stand on one side to broken windows and peeling paint on the other.....as for the style of play and quality of squad, they kind of all go together.

FFS give it a rest


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: singcobb on January 13, 2021, 17:05:23 pm
I think we have to accept he isn't going anywhere. We can disagree all we like but there has been zero indication from KT that he doesn't back KC.

Isn't it usual that when a chairman says he backs the manager that the manager is on the way out?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Wanderingteyn on January 13, 2021, 17:23:34 pm
Isn't it usual that when a chairman says he backs the manager that the manager is on the way out?

It is. Not even backed him either though? He's just said nothing about it.

Manners - you could send KT a message on Facebook? Reckon that might get your views heard at least bud.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 13, 2021, 17:30:25 pm
As a matter of interest where is the snipe?  I am afraid you have missed the point completely. I don't think there is sufficient quality at all let alone suitable experience - like McCormack and Goode for example. Red Herring on the RH; don't really need proof other than his recent displays! Its just an opinion that's all. I have the misfortune not to share yours  :o

Dear oh dear!!
I asked you to read my original post again....and its obvious you didn't!

For reference I said there was "a sprinkling of quality in the squad"..... are you going to argue with me on that one? Especially seeing as you've just added Mitchells name to a list of League One quality players in a post on another thread?
I said also that there was "a small amount of experience in the squad"..... are you going to argue on that one too? Are you saying that Sheehan, Adams, Holmes, Watson, Harriman...even Hoskins...are not experienced?

RH...."his recent displays"?? What minutes are you talking about? I thought it had been accepted that he hadn't played many minutes for us, had been played in an unfamiliar role, is working his way back from a career threatening injury...... what sort of displays were you expecting?

So no, I don't think I missed the point at all!

As for the personal snipes, well saying I "simply proposed"...... really? I said we can perform better than we have been doing and cited a number of games (games to which you have made reference to in the past when you are defending Curle)
Also you have to put the "well known that I dislike Curle" comment.....and? So what? I'm not alone!
You are alleging that it is somehow influencing my opinion? No **** sherlock..... I'm not happy with the current formation/tactics/entertainment/results.......and yes, the Curle effect influences that.

Do me a favour......read my posts by all means, but if you can refrain from commentating on them then please do so...... your opinion is not really valid to me anyway.....but i'd prefer not to have to respond to your constant childish criticism of me (and it seems many other posters)....go see if there's anyone else you can wind up somewhere else...preferably away from this board.

Just my opinion of course...... ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Winslow Lee on January 13, 2021, 18:16:28 pm

For reference I said there was "a sprinkling of quality in the squad"..... are you going to argue with me on that one?


I would say the only 2 players that have consistently looked league 1 standard are Sheehan and McWilliams both of who have missed large chunks of the season. While I think itís possible for a side to carry a number of poorer players and still be competitive, other players have been way too inconsistent or just outright garbage.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 19:53:59 pm
Dear oh dear!!
I asked you to read my original post again....and its obvious you didn't!

For reference I said there was "a sprinkling of quality in the squad"..... are you going to argue with me on that one? Especially seeing as you've just added Mitchells name to a list of League One quality players in a post on another thread?
I said also that there was "a small amount of experience in the squad"..... are you going to argue on that one too? Are you saying that Sheehan, Adams, Holmes, Watson, Harriman...even Hoskins...are not experienced?

RH...."his recent displays"?? What minutes are you talking about? I thought it had been accepted that he hadn't played many minutes for us, had been played in an unfamiliar role, is working his way back from a career threatening injury...... what sort of displays were you expecting?

So no, I don't think I missed the point at all!

As for the personal snipes, well saying I "simply proposed"...... really? I said we can perform better than we have been doing and cited a number of games (games to which you have made reference to in the past when you are defending Curle)
Also you have to put the "well known that I dislike Curle" comment.....and? So what? I'm not alone!
You are alleging that it is somehow influencing my opinion? No **** sherlock..... I'm not happy with the current formation/tactics/entertainment/results.......and yes, the Curle effect influences that.

Do me a favour......read my posts by all means, but if you can refrain from commentating on them then please do so...... your opinion is not really valid to me anyway.....but i'd prefer not to have to respond to your constant childish criticism of me (and it seems many other posters)....go see if there's anyone else you can wind up somewhere else...preferably away from this board.

Just my opinion of course...... ;)

Apologies I don't agree with your analogies on quality and experience. Those two very important assets we are lacking and I thought that KT himself had suggested that? The current squad is at best inconsistent and lacks the quality and experience required. I might as well toss in the leadership factor which is not particularly evident on the pitch at the moment. As for the thorny question of experience then some of those players who played last night lacked it.  The problem is too many have L2 experience and the result is inconsistent displays for example Watson and Hoskins v MK. I personally have no issue with you but merely disagree with your theory 'to encourage the current squad to play with freedom' on the basis that there is some quality and experience to garner. To me that is somewhat delusional as this season has shown that not to be the case. If we can bring in some quality loanee/signings then that might inspire the 'nearly' players to fulfil their potential.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on January 13, 2021, 23:36:22 pm


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 23:53:17 pm
No  8)


First chuckle today! Like your style Manny ;D 8)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on January 25, 2021, 11:59:25 am
Good job we've got Keith under a long contract after Chelsea sacking Lampard, at least we should get decent compensation when they come calling.








  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 25, 2021, 16:42:14 pm
Good job we've got Keith under a long contract after Chelsea sacking Lampard, at least we should get decent compensation when they come calling.



  ;D

I just hope that super Frank is remembered as the finest midfielder that graced British football. Rather than for this unfortunate chapter in his history.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NlYkIZPY0KM/maxresdefault.jpg)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 25, 2021, 19:36:14 pm
I'll stick this in here as I don't know where else to put it....... stats stolen from Marvo!!

Keith Curle has now managed us for 121 games, he has won 47, drawn 30, lost 44, scored 173 conceded 160  difference +13   points 171

Ian Atkins at this stage in his Cobblers managerial career after 121 games had won 47, drawn 30 and lost 44, scored 152 conceded 140  difference +12  points 171

How spooky!!



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on January 25, 2021, 20:05:45 pm
I'll stick this in here as I don't know where else to put it....... stats stolen from Marvo!!

Keith Curle has now managed us for 121 games, he has won 47, drawn 30, lost 44, scored 173 conceded 160  difference +13   points 171

Ian Atkins at this stage in his Cobblers managerial career after 121 games had won 47, drawn 30 and lost 44, scored 152 conceded 140  difference +12  points 171

How spooky!!



So that means we're going to lose in the play off final this year! :-\


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 29, 2021, 09:29:31 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-looking-evolve-and-mix-it-more-3116604
44% and 45% possession away against Lincoln and Fleetwood?  That wasn't highlighted on here??  :o


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 29, 2021, 10:31:28 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-looking-evolve-and-mix-it-more-3116604
44% and 45% possession away against Lincoln and Fleetwood?  That wasn't highlighted on here??  :o

I think in virtually every post I've defended KC/style of play I've mentioned that his plan has been to evolve the playing style. I feel a slight bit of satisfaction at this article!  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on January 29, 2021, 10:40:29 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-looking-evolve-and-mix-it-more-3116604
44% and 45% possession away against Lincoln and Fleetwood?  That wasn't highlighted on here??  :o

No chance of that from the anti KC/KT brigade. Probably still in shock!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on January 29, 2021, 11:04:16 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-looking-evolve-and-mix-it-more-3116604
44% and 45% possession away against Lincoln and Fleetwood?  That wasn't highlighted on here??  :o
Weíve got this league in the bag now  :P


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on January 29, 2021, 11:31:03 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-looking-evolve-and-mix-it-more-3116604
44% and 45% possession away against Lincoln and Fleetwood?  That wasn't highlighted on here??  :o
Encouraging !
About time the penny dropped and i was encouraged to hear Morris talk about keeping hold of the ball .
i did think he would get fined for that though if Curle read it 


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on January 29, 2021, 11:36:59 am
No chance of that from the anti KC/KT brigade. Probably still in shock!
No need to keep attacking fellow posters on here for their justified criticism of performances so far. There has been considerable improvement in the last couple of games coinciding with the bringing in of new players. Long may this continue and lets hope we can up our goals per game ratio which is very poor.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on January 29, 2021, 12:10:02 pm
We have to start scoring goals if we are going to survive, if we draw a blank again on Saturday itís going to be very concerning.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 29, 2021, 12:26:59 pm
Encouraging !
About time the penny dropped and i was encouraged to hear Morris talk about keeping hold of the ball .
i did think he would get fined for that though if Curle read it 

 ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on January 29, 2021, 14:40:59 pm
There must be a place for Ricky of Holmes now we can pass?
surely!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on January 29, 2021, 18:17:26 pm
No need to keep attacking fellow posters on here for their justified criticism of performances so far. .................................

Wow justified ::) It was not performances I was criticising; it is the somewhat vicious comments aimed at certain Players and Management, most of it unjustified! I too have criticised recent performances! If you feel that some recent comments are truly justified .................so be it.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: andycobbler on January 29, 2021, 21:52:53 pm
There must be a place for Ricky of Holmes now we can pass?
surely!

Fingers crossed


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3419 on February 03, 2021, 07:35:33 am
The following is not a binary computer listing.

0 1 0 0 (3) 0 0 1 0

Our lack of creating and scoring goals is illustrated recently.
We MUST play a more positive formation ie; 4-4-2.

We will know by the end of the month what chance we have of surviving, especially after fixtures against fellow bottom teams!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 03, 2021, 07:42:05 am
Curle really doesnít help himself does he, why leave McWilliams on the bench?
As for Sheehan will he ever play again?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on February 03, 2021, 07:47:11 am
KC ďWe always knew it was going to be a tight encounter and we wanted Shaunís energy to push us on in the last half an hour.Ē

His energy was needed from the 1st minute. Not sure why he waiting till the last 25 to bring him on!?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2021, 08:26:06 am
Weíve got this league in the bag now  :P
Plagiarism!!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Winslow Lee on February 03, 2021, 08:58:45 am
KC ďWe always knew it was going to be a tight encounter and we wanted Shaunís energy to push us on in the last half an hour.Ē

His energy was needed from the 1st minute. Not sure why he waiting till the last 25 to bring him on!?

Wow!! that was the best he could come up with, ridiculous


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 03, 2021, 09:13:17 am
The following is not a binary computer listing.

0 1 0 0 (3) 0 0 1 0


I don't know what everyone is complaining about. That's a beautifully palindromic sequence of numbers. Like the Fibonacci sequence, that doesn't just happen by accident. It's a work of art. People banging on about points and entertainment are just being vulgar and losing sight of the complex and nuanced piece of work that Keith is trying to build here.

Keith is an artist.

Let him create.

We will see his masterful jigsaw unfold. Granted, we won't see it in its full glory until we are in League 2, but it will all be worth it.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on February 03, 2021, 09:26:58 am
Just google our heaviest ever defeat (in prep for Saturday!)

HEAVIEST DEFEAT

Southern League 0-11 vs Southampton (A) 1901/02



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on February 03, 2021, 10:43:05 am
Wow!! that was the best he could come up with, ridiculous
Come on Winslow, did you really expect him to come up with anything remotely sensible ? , he talked b*llocks when he was at Mansfield, he talked b*llocks when he was at Carlisle and he's carried on at NTFC
    A couple of questions I asked last night, does anyone think that KC gets the best performances possible from our squad of players ? If not , why not? Has he EVER made any substitutions that have changed a game ? and I mean changed it in our favour !


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 03, 2021, 10:49:12 am
Come on Winslow, did you really expect him to come up with anything remotely sensible ? , he talked b*llocks when he was at Mansfield, he talked b*llocks when he was at Carlisle and he's carried on at NTFC
    A couple of questions I asked last night, does anyone think that KC gets the best performances possible from our squad of players ? If not , why not? Has he EVER made any substitutions that have changed a game ? and I mean changed it in our favour !

 :o


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 03, 2021, 12:00:39 pm
I will reiterate what I have said before. The long term consequences of falling out of this league will be massive for the club.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 03, 2021, 12:17:16 pm
Come on Winslow, did you really expect him to come up with anything remotely sensible ? , he talked b*llocks when he was at Mansfield, he talked b*llocks when he was at Carlisle and he's carried on at NTFC
    A couple of questions I asked last night, does anyone think that KC gets the best performances possible from our squad of players ? If not , why not? Has he EVER made any substitutions that have changed a game ? and I mean changed it in our favour !
I honestly think Curle says whatever comes into his head at the time, he thinks we are all as thick as him, he leaves one of his better players on the bench because he wanted his energy for the last few mins, what an absolute tool.
To answer your question NO Curle isnít getting the best out of this squad, thatís why I started this thread heís made a spectacular fcuk up of this season, constant tinkering, baffling substitutions and bizarre interviews.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on February 03, 2021, 12:20:28 pm
I will reiterate what I have said before. The long term consequences of falling out of this league will be massive for the club.
Yes they will, so it begs the question, why did he REALLY leave out our most in form player? because I don't think even the most loyal KC fan would buy the excuse he came up with.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 03, 2021, 12:37:58 pm
Yes they will, so it begs the question, why did he REALLY leave out our most in form player? because I don't think even the most loyal KC fan would buy the excuse he came up with.
Do you think there is a clandestine reason?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on February 03, 2021, 12:42:42 pm
Do you think there is a clandestine reason?
There HAS to be a reason, because if you want to win a football match, you play your best, in form players and we didn't do that.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: threeinabed on February 03, 2021, 12:54:20 pm
There HAS to be a reason, because if you want to win a football match, you play your best, in form players and we didn't do that.

the only reason is curle himself - he just changes things for the sake of it, because he can, its why he hasnt had success over sustained periods and never will do.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Winslow Lee on February 03, 2021, 13:06:12 pm
the only reason is curle himself - he just changes things for the sake of it, because he can, its why he hasnt had success over sustained periods and never will do.


I totally agree with this, itís not the first time heís either dropped the in form player, the striker on a goal scoring run or made big changes to a team thatís just won. Why he does it I guess we can only speculate, my guess he sees the big managers rotate their squads and this is his misguided attempt to be some sort of tactical genius.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clint on February 03, 2021, 13:58:45 pm
I totally agree with this, itís not the first time heís either dropped the in form player, the striker on a goal scoring run or made big changes to a team thatís just won. Why he does it I guess we can only speculate, my guess he sees the big managers rotate their squads and this is his misguided attempt to be some sort of tactical genius.

Sounds about right


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 03, 2021, 13:59:34 pm
I donít believe we should sack Curle for the reasons I have documented on numerous occasions. I also think that changing managers more often than not has the opposite effect, as also stated previously. Therefore to instigate change without a clear idea of who you want to bring in and why is just b0ll0cks. Thatís before we get onto the old chestnut of finances in the middle of a pandemic? That being said, the comments regarding McWilliams had me with my head in my hands weeping. The substitutions and set up of the team is too often just dire. This is starting to look like yet another manager who is out to prove the supporters and everyone else wrong, basically ego driven at the expense of the correct decisions? Weíve seen it all before over and over again and it usually signals a move into the end game for a managers tenure? Whilst COVID will probably be Keithís saviour this season FFS can he just start doing the bleeding obvious with the team? Donít make substitutions unless they are enforced or will significantly improve matters on the pitch and not hand the momentum to the opposition? Play the strongest formation for this squad which is 4-4-2, play McWilliams in front of the back 4 and get some creativity onto the pitch. At the moment we are one dimensional, not creative enough and far too vulnerable at the back. My advice to Keef would be to stop reading ďAdvanced Coaching for Champions League SuccessĒ and start doing the basics and obvious right and leave his ego at home because all this nonsense and tinkering is failing him, the team and us. Rant over, goodnight.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on February 03, 2021, 15:05:31 pm
First Phillip Schofield, now Keith Curle. What is going on?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on February 03, 2021, 15:21:25 pm
There HAS to be a reason, because if you want to win a football match, you play your best, in form players and we didn't do that.
My guess is he rates Morris above McWilliams in the middle if he's playing one holding midfielder, and last night decided he wanted to try and play Watson and Sowerby in a more advanced role, so Sean had to give way.
Rose lost out because Edmumdson is his new targetman and Hoskins mustn't be dropped under any circumstances.
We moaned about Adam's legs having gone and Marshall's patchy defensive performances, about Smith not putting it in and about Holmes not being the man he was and breaking down, but without any of them there is virtually no creativity left in the side. I wasn't impressed by Kioso last night and Millers cameo albeit promising was too brief to definitively say he'll be an answer. Only Watson has stepped up over the past couple of games, with Rose showing glimpses off the substitutes bench.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 03, 2021, 15:23:27 pm
There HAS to be a reason, because if you want to win a football match, you play your best, in form players and we didn't do that.

Glad you now say two (at least).
CJ  Like your comments above which seem pretty accurate to me as are Mellys latest thoughts.

Collectively from a more informed group of people on here we now appear to have a better idea how to manage the team collectively. Thats Good News.  Cannot you form an 'expert' panel on here - appears to be 3 to 4 of you?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on February 03, 2021, 16:29:55 pm
My guess is he rates Morris above McWilliams in the middle if he's playing one holding midfielder, and last night decided he wanted to try and play Watson and Sowerby in a more advanced role, so Sean had to give way.
Rose lost out because Edmumdson is his new targetman and Hoskins mustn't be dropped under any circumstances.
We moaned about Adam's legs having gone and Marshall's patchy defensive performances, about Smith not putting it in and about Holmes not being the man he was and breaking down, but without any of them there is virtually no creativity left in the side. I wasn't impressed by Kioso last night and Millers cameo albeit promising was too brief to definitively say he'll be an answer. Only Watson has stepped up over the past couple of games, with Rose showing glimpses off the substitutes bench.


Thank you CJ, I think thatís the best answer weíve had to the weird McWilliams decision last night. Just a pity KC couldnít express this as the reason in his interview and equally as disappointing that his judgement was so pitifully wrong. At least we know now - I was starting to think like an anti-vaxer and believe there was some conspiracy theory going on involving Bill Gates / Putin / Barry Fry!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 03, 2021, 16:38:13 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/keith-curle-surprise-mcwilliams-decision-ashley-seals-absence-and-contentious-offside-call-3122103


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Winslow Lee on February 03, 2021, 16:58:45 pm
Thank you CJ, I think thatís the best answer weíve had to the weird McWilliams decision last night. Just a pity KC couldnít express this as the reason in his interview and equally as disappointing that his judgement was so pitifully wrong. At least we know now

ĎAt least we know nowí just because CJís suggestion may be the most logical definitely doesnít make it the real reason, it certainly wasnít what KC said. Come on now heís been making these weird selection decisions all through his time at the club, he loves to make these choices that are the opposite of common sense.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Gen.Disorda on February 03, 2021, 17:02:34 pm
I hope it just clicks that we need to go 4 at the back, McWilliams needs to play if fit.

Ive always backed Curle but it is not looking good that we improve when we go 4 at the back but he still reverts back to 3.

There is noting wrong with 3 at the back, we just don't have the personnel to play it any more.

A team that looks considerably better just switching to a basic 442 or 4321 is a fire fighting managers dream.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Winslow Lee on February 03, 2021, 17:14:58 pm
If Sheehan is fit we look capable of playing a back 5 but without him i think it has to be a 4, especially as in Morris & McWilliams we have 2 decent defensive central midfielders. I do worry how quickly Sowerby was back in the team from his injury, with Watson playing well I have seen little from Sowerby all season to merit a place in the side.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 03, 2021, 18:11:16 pm
‘At least we know now’ just because CJ’s suggestion may be the most logical definitely doesn’t make it the real reason, it certainly wasn’t what KC said. Come on now he’s been making these weird selection decisions all through his time at the club, he loves to make these choices that are the opposite of common sense.

Opposite of 'your' commonsense, obviously not his. 
He's the one who has to make the decisions he does in order to secure or further his own employment.  ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 03, 2021, 18:49:20 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/keith-curle-surprise-mcwilliams-decision-ashley-seals-absence-and-contentious-offside-call-3122103
Striker Benny Ashley-Seal was absent from the squad altogether and Curle revealed afterwards: "Benny went over on his ankle when we trained on Saturday after the game was called off.
Well fcuk me, BAS is on the floor even when the game is OFF 😂😂😂😂🦭🦭🦭🦭


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 03, 2021, 19:12:49 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/keith-curle-surprise-mcwilliams-decision-ashley-seals-absence-and-contentious-offside-call-3122103
This has done little to appease my frustration Iím afraid. In a fit of new found maturity Iíve resisted sarcastic comments about top managers now leaving best players on the bench to give them an opportunity to study the oppositionís weaknesses ďthe stalking lionĒ tactic? Bugger, now Iíve done it?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 03, 2021, 19:44:13 pm
just checking in to see if he has done the honourable thing ?
The time has come .
Just leave and leave now .
Fine margins and a close game ? Keith , we are nowhere near competing in any game .
These teams have budgets the same as ours in many cases and are embarrassing us .
You are making a fool of yourself man


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 03, 2021, 19:58:29 pm
just checking in to see if he has done the honourable thing ?
The time has come .
Just leave and leave now .
Fine margins and a close game ? Keith , we are nowhere near competing in any game .
These teams have budgets the same as ours in many cases and are embarrassing us .
You are making a fool of yourself man

Do you really believe Keith will do "the honourable thing"  ??? The only way he'll be leaving is by KT firing the bullet.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 03, 2021, 22:49:29 pm
This has done little to appease my frustration Iím afraid. In a fit of new found maturity Iíve resisted sarcastic comments about top managers now leaving best players on the bench to give them an opportunity to study the oppositionís weaknesses ďthe stalking lionĒ tactic? Bugger, now Iíve done it?

Don't give up Melly as there is bound to be ups and downs for the next few weeks. To me it is a case of holding our nerve and always retain some hope. After Tuesday display and very odd selection patterns its difficult to keep positive. Don't join those who wail and despair at every set back. Heads up and hope for the best.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 04, 2021, 05:43:43 am
Don't give up Melly as there is bound to be ups and downs for the next few weeks. To me it is a case of holding our nerve and always retain some hope. After Tuesday display and very odd selection patterns its difficult to keep positive. Don't join those who wail and despair at every set back. Heads up and hope for the best.
I like to think I hold a balanced perspective Evers? It is becoming rather tiresome at the moment though?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 04, 2021, 07:52:09 am
Do you really believe Keith will do "the honourable thing"  ??? The only way he'll be leaving is by KT firing the bullet.
of course i didnít !
He wonít even admit he was wrong let alone resign .
Go on Keith , admit dropping MacWilliams was a monumental mistake and playing Hoskins alongside Edmondson has the penetration of a wet tennis ball .
95% of supporters want Macwilliams and Rose playing - why do you find it so difficult to see ?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on February 04, 2021, 11:50:17 am

95% of supporters want Macwilliams and Rose playing - why do you find it so difficult to see ?
Because he's from a long line of stubborn managers who believe they are always right, even when they know they are wrong. Like car insurance companies who tell people "never admit anything"


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 04, 2021, 12:56:37 pm
Because he's from a long line of stubborn managers who believe they are always right, even when they know they are wrong. Like car insurance companies who tell people "never admit anything"

You state that as if it's a trait unique to managers of NTFC?
Look around, they are nearly all the same... ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2021, 13:21:14 pm
You state that as if it's a trait unique to managers of NTFC?
Look around, they are nearly all the same... ;)

I might be very wrong but said gentleman appears to have a downer on our astute football Manager.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: OCoole on February 04, 2021, 14:15:36 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-addresses-cobblers-goal-troubles-and-identifies-areas-improvement-3124038

This was a bit of a farce of an interview by KC. Almost everything he identifies should have been addressed by now in training surely?  ???


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Shadowstorm on February 04, 2021, 14:38:33 pm
I can't see him being sacked if that is the correct course of action, look where we are in the season and you'd have to say more managers would have been sacked by now going on past years. The point im making is covid has changed how clubs are run and with no income from fans in the grounds, paying managers off is not so easy. Can we afford to pay him of when he has around 18mts of his contract left.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 04, 2021, 15:34:26 pm
I might be very wrong but said gentleman appears to have a downer on our astute football Manager.

Maybe so but it is a true observation which, as I stated, isn't limited to NTFC managers.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: cobbler151 on February 04, 2021, 17:19:26 pm
I honestly think Curle says whatever comes into his head at the time, he thinks we are all as thick as him, he leaves one of his better players on the bench because he wanted his energy for the last few mins, what an absolute tool.
To answer your question NO Curle isnít getting the best out of this squad, thatís why I started this thread heís made a spectacular fcuk up of this season, constant tinkering, baffling substitutions and bizarre interviews.

Have to agree on this.
Blindly keeping faith with Hoskins
Playing Marshall out if position
Not starting Rose
Not signing Holmes
Signing Seal, Missoulo, Radic, Nutall amongst others
Attempting to convince us its all part of a well thought out plan

Just one thing after another





Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 04, 2021, 17:54:27 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-addresses-cobblers-goal-troubles-and-identifies-areas-improvement-3124038

This was a bit of a farce of an interview by KC. Almost everything he identifies should have been addressed by now in training surely?  ???

Him and his "showcasing"...... does he think he's a game show host rather than a football manager?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2021, 18:55:23 pm
Have to agree on this.
Blindly keeping faith with Hoskins agreed
Playing Marshall out if position   ???
Not starting Rose Agreed
Not signing Holmes  - Not yet
Signing Seal, Missoulo, Radic, Nutall amongst others - Agreed
Attempting to convince us its all part of a well thought out plan - agreed its fallen flat

Just one thing after another - no comment






Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 04, 2021, 20:10:28 pm
It occurred to me that it may be possible that there are managers who deliberately sabotage team performances to invite the sack and obtain a long contract payout? Particularly if they are suffering from the angst of fans and derision within the squad? This is not an accusation against Curle or any manager in particular, but it would explain some of the bizarre and self defeating decision making that flys in the face of all reasonable logic? Cant be true can it?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on February 04, 2021, 20:17:56 pm
I thought that when Mourinho was at Man Utd he appeared to be doing his utmost to be sacked and get a large pay off.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 04, 2021, 20:30:14 pm
"Now is not the time to be talking about systemsĒ states Keith Curle? With 3 goals less than any other side in the division and having dropped into the relegation zone, may I ask when would it would be an appropriate time Mr Curle? Sorry, my frustration really has boiled over hasnít it?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on February 04, 2021, 20:33:29 pm
As was said by many at the time, the club should NEVER have offered KC a new two year contract last Summer, simply off the back of an extremely fortunate promotion.

A one year rolling contract at best (especially during a pandemic) should have been the only offer on the table. If he declined it then thanks but goodbye.

The club only have themselves to blame & I'm sure they didn't have the foresight to include a relegation clause so we're lumbered. Can't see KT sacking him no matter what but us as supporters we have the option to renew season tickets, which the club surely need to factor in.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 04, 2021, 20:42:20 pm
As was said by many at the time, the club should NEVER have offered KC a new two year contract last Summer, simply off the back of an extremely fortunate promotion.

A one year rolling contract at best (especially during a pandemic) should have been the only offer on the table. If he declined it then thanks but goodbye.

The club only have themselves to blame & I'm sure they didn't have the foresight to include a relegation clause so we're lumbered. Can't see KT sacking him no matter what but us as supporters we have the option to renew season tickets, which the club surely need to factor in.


Frustration or not I canít agree with this, that is all born of hindsight? Given the fact we have had 4 previous managerial disasters prior to Curle? It the contract had not been offered and he would have taken up an offer elsewhere and the next bloke failed, which statistically he will, Kelvin Thomas would have been accused of appalling judgment, and rightly so? To repeat, thatís without the benefit of hindsight.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on February 04, 2021, 20:58:43 pm
Frustration or not I canít agree with this, that is all born of hindsight? Given the fact we have had 4 previous managerial disasters prior to Curle? It the contract had not been offered and he would have taken up an offer elsewhere and the next bloke failed, which statistically he will, Kelvin Thomas would have been accused of appalling judgment, and rightly so? To repeat, thatís without the benefit of hindsight.

Disagree, he is a journeyman, who was never going to be in demand even after finally achieving a first promotion after x amount of years trying. This is not hindsight as many were saying it at the time.

He was never going to turn down a 1 year deal during a pandemic...but if he did and KT explained to supporters that a 1 year contract offer was declined, I'm sure there wouldn't be many supporters demanding he be offered an extended contract. The football has been & is still mainly dreadful to watch.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on February 04, 2021, 21:03:28 pm
Disagree, he is a journeyman, who was never going to be in demand even after finally achieving a first promotion after x amount of years trying. This is not hindsight as many were saying it at the time.

He was never going to turn down a 1 year deal during a pandemic...but if he did and KT explained to supporters that a 1 year contract offer was declined, I'm sure there wouldn't be many supporters demanding he be offered an extended contract. The football has been & is still mainly dreadful to watch.
Can't disagree with any of this. I was one who said to give him a one year rolling contract.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2021, 21:05:50 pm
Frustration or not I canít agree with this, that is all born of hindsight? Given the fact we have had 4 previous managerial disasters prior to Curle? It the contract had not been offered and he would have taken up an offer elsewhere and the next bloke failed, which statistically he will, Kelvin Thomas would have been accused of appalling judgment, and rightly so? To repeat, thatís without the benefit of hindsight.


....................Frustration or not I canít agree with this, that is all born of hindsight

Surely not Raggie...surely not ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Winslow Lee on February 04, 2021, 21:19:53 pm
Frustration or not I canít agree with this, that is all born of hindsight? Given the fact we have had 4 previous managerial disasters prior to Curle? It the contract had not been offered and he would have taken up an offer elsewhere and the next bloke failed, which statistically he will, Kelvin Thomas would have been accused of appalling judgment, and rightly so? To repeat, thatís without the benefit of hindsight.

If a manager gets a better offer from another club, contract or not they will leave, while we might get a tiny bit of compensation if he is still contracted itís hardly worth it as that situation is far less likely than a manager failing and having to be paid off.




Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 04, 2021, 23:39:49 pm
As was said by many at the time, the club should NEVER have offered KC a new two year contract last Summer, simply off the back of an extremely fortunate promotion.

A one year rolling contract at best (especially during a pandemic) should have been the only offer on the table. If he declined it then thanks but goodbye.

The club only have themselves to blame & I'm sure they didn't have the foresight to include a relegation clause so we're lumbered. Can't see KT sacking him no matter what but us as supporters we have the option to renew season tickets, which the club surely need to factor in.



Absolutely spot on, mind you isnít KT a self proclaimed ďfootball manĒ he should know better.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CobblerForever on February 05, 2021, 00:10:26 am
Disagree, he is a journeyman, who was never going to be in demand even after finally achieving a first promotion after x amount of years trying. This is not hindsight as many were saying it at the time.

He was never going to turn down a 1 year deal during a pandemic...but if he did and KT explained to supporters that a 1 year contract offer was declined, I'm sure there wouldn't be many supporters demanding he be offered an extended contract. The football has been & is still mainly dreadful to watch.

As at February 1st 2021 the difference between a 12 months rolling contract and a two year contract from July 1st 2020 is 5 months pay maximum. Perhaps KT reckoned he was always going to give KC at least 6 months (or possibly the whole season) before judging him one way or the other. It's not as if he gave him a significant budget to play with so this season was always going to be tough.

We, of course, don't know the salary rates involved or any of the particular peculiarities of contract entered into. The dates I've used in this comment are estimates.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 05, 2021, 00:20:33 am
Disagree, he is a journeyman, who was never going to be in demand even after finally achieving a first promotion after x amount of years trying. This is not hindsight as many were saying it at the time.

He was never going to turn down a 1 year deal during a pandemic...but if he did and KT explained to supporters that a 1 year contract offer was declined, I'm sure there wouldn't be many supporters demanding he be offered an extended contract. The football has been & is still mainly dreadful to watch.
Fair point.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 05, 2021, 23:33:28 pm
It's all about survival this season, by any means. It's been a poor and uninspiring season. As fans we've not been able to gain any affinity with the players because we can't get to watch them. KC knows he doesn't have to entertain because there's no body to entertain part from the few of us who endure the action behind a fuzzy screen. There's no vocal backlash. It's a nothing season and one we just need to get through, a) as a club and b) as a League One club. Then maybe next season we can get back to Sixfields, start supporting and enjoying the football side of our lives again, with KC having gained more League One know-how and a plan to make us better.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Charlatan on February 06, 2021, 11:51:27 am
It's all about survival this season, by any means. It's been a poor and uninspiring season. As fans we've not been able to gain any affinity with the players because we can't get to watch them. KC knows he doesn't have to entertain because there's no body to entertain part from the few of us who endure the action behind a fuzzy screen. There's no vocal backlash. It's a nothing season and one we just need to get through, a) as a club and b) as a League One club. Then maybe next season we can get back to Sixfields, start supporting and enjoying the football side of our lives again, with KC having gained more League One know-how and a plan to make us better.
Agree with this very good post Wadey


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Gen.Disorda on February 06, 2021, 11:55:34 am
I have got a funny feeling we will win today and the cycle starts again. See you all in 3 weeks  ;D ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on February 06, 2021, 12:35:21 pm
I have got a funny feeling we will win today and the cycle starts again. See you all in 3 weeks  ;D ;D
4-1 if youíre prepared to follow your funny feeling


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clint on February 09, 2021, 20:47:43 pm
This bloke has got to go, totally hopeless.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2021, 20:48:34 pm
Get it done tonight Kelvin. Curle out and now.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 09, 2021, 20:49:34 pm
Curle OUT for the love of god get rid of him please KT.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 09, 2021, 20:59:08 pm
I'm done. I didn't want Curle from the off but having got him I wanted him to be a success. The football last year was dire but we got results, even though the entertainment value was non existent. The play off campaign showed what Curle was trying to do and it won me over. I was pleased when he signed an extension because we saw what we could do when we got it right.

This season has been shžt. No guile, no discernable tactics, no entertainment, no results and now not even any goals either. I've umm-ed and ah-ed and ultimately come down on the side of giving him more time.

Not after tonight though. He's hopeless and watching this drivel is making me miserable at a time when we all need cheering up.

**** off, Keith. You're incompetent.

Get rid of him and let Brady and Sammo see what they can get out of the players. Yes, their hands will be tied, but at least we might make a fight of it.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest1223 on February 09, 2021, 20:59:44 pm
Now!! Out!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on February 09, 2021, 21:00:38 pm
I'm done. I didn't want Curle from the off but having got him I wanted him to be a success. The football last year was dire but we got results, even though the entertainment value was non existent. The play off campaign showed what Curle was trying to do and it won me over. I was pleased when he signed an extension because we saw what we could do when we got it right.

This season has been shžt. No guile, no discernable tactics, no entertainment, no results and now not even any goals either. I've umm-ed and ah-ed and ultimately come down on the side of giving him more time.

Not after tonight though. He's hopeless and watching this drivel is making me miserable at a time when we all need cheering up.

**** off, Keith. You're incompetent.

Get rid of him and let Brady and Sammo see what they can get out of the players. Yes, their hands will be tied, but at least we might make a fight of it.

+1


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3419 on February 09, 2021, 21:02:17 pm
GOODBYE Mr Curle.

Do not insult our intelligence any more.

Over to KT NOW!!!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 09, 2021, 21:03:17 pm
Curle Out
Curle Out
Curle out


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 09, 2021, 21:05:25 pm
26 league games played....15 games we have failed to score.... FIFTEEN!

13 league games played at home..... in NINE of them we have failed to score.....9

20 goals all season in the league, the worst in the division

1 win in 11 games

Outclassed by Oxford City in the FA Cup

No clue, no hope, no idea

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Keith Curle, the man who is trying to create an identity at Northampton Town......


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on February 09, 2021, 21:06:46 pm
Il repeat what I said back in November.

Get this prick out the club.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2021, 21:09:32 pm
He has to go now. Either he goes of thousands of pounds worth of season ticket renewals go. It is that simple Kelvin. Please, we have all had enough.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on February 09, 2021, 21:11:20 pm
Get rid, somebody must be able to do better than him. The bloke talks in ĎClichesí, if heís like that with the players no wonder they donít have a clue whatís going on. I was fed up with the Neanderthal football last season e.g. Crawley, Sc***horpe etc, this season has been an embarrassment from the start, we canít even call it football. How many happy clappers will be on the sit3 tomorrow defending him I wonder. I really hope to wake up and see heís gone overnight.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on February 09, 2021, 21:11:37 pm
I'm done. I didn't want Curle from the off but having got him I wanted him to be a success. The football last year was dire but we got results, even though the entertainment value was non existent. The play off campaign showed what Curle was trying to do and it won me over. I was pleased when he signed an extension because we saw what we could do when we got it right.

This season has been shžt. No guile, no discernable tactics, no entertainment, no results and now not even any goals either. I've umm-ed and ah-ed and ultimately come down on the side of giving him more time.

Not after tonight though. He's hopeless and watching this drivel is making me miserable at a time when we all need cheering up.

**** off, Keith. You're incompetent.

Get rid of him and let Brady and Sammo see what they can get out of the players. Yes, their hands will be tied, but at least we might make a fight of it.
Whoever comes in has got a pretty s h I tt y squad to work with. I want a new manager but I donít envy him trying to get goals out this bunch


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: the grumpy old man on February 09, 2021, 21:12:09 pm
I reckon my imaginary giraffe would do a better job than Curle.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Martin on February 09, 2021, 21:13:41 pm
I wonder what excuses he will insult us with after that. If Curle had any integrity whatsoever he would walk away now, and if KT had any balls or backbone he would sack him immediately. Unfortunately we have a manager who insults our intelligence, has no integrity, and won't be satisfied until we are in the National league with only a handfull of supporters left, and we have a spineless owner who is comfortable in Florida and couldn't care less about the club. FOR GODS SAKE KEITH CURLE JUST GO NOW.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: bungle on February 09, 2021, 21:13:45 pm
I have to say I've been fairly patient with Curle but that was desperately, desperately poor. You can't fault the effort of the players, so you have to look at the manager's decision making.

A few thoughts:

1. Taking off your central midfield pairing at half-time smacks of utter desperation and tactical naivety. McWilliams is our best player (as is pointed out by away commentators every week). Curle has had 20+ games to find the right combination in the middle and still appears to have no clue.

2. Harry Smith has some serious flaws, but I think he's considerably better than Edmondson and the other alternatives. At least he is a physical unit with some experience behind him unlike the lightweight kids we have at our disposal. The decision to let him go is starting to look poor.

3. We are a long ball team with no target man who are absolutely gash at set pieces. Presumably Curle is working on set pieces in training but I've never seen a Cobblers team who carry so little threat from them.

4. Last year we didn't create much either but we had two strikers who could feed off scraps and create something out of nothing: Morton, who was brilliant at running the channels, and Oliver who won everything in the air. We haven't come remotely close to replacing either of them. The failure to keep Oliver may well end up costing Curle his job.





Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on February 09, 2021, 21:15:54 pm
I reckon my imaginary giraffe would do a better job than Curle.
So whatís the difference between your giraffe and a JCB?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Grove on February 09, 2021, 21:16:32 pm
Go , just FKUC off


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on February 09, 2021, 21:19:05 pm
Been waiting to get to 60 to get a discount on my ST, wonít be renewing if Curle remains.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on February 09, 2021, 21:21:34 pm
I'm done. I didn't want Curle from the off but having got him I wanted him to be a success. The football last year was dire but we got results, even though the entertainment value was non existent. The play off campaign showed what Curle was trying to do and it won me over. I was pleased when he signed an extension because we saw what we could do when we got it right.

This season has been shžt. No guile, no discernable tactics, no entertainment, no results and now not even any goals either. I've umm-ed and ah-ed and ultimately come down on the side of giving him more time.

Not after tonight though. He's hopeless and watching this drivel is making me miserable at a time when we all need cheering up.

**** off, Keith. You're incompetent.

Get rid of him and let Brady and Sammo see what they can get out of the players. Yes, their hands will be tied, but at least we might make a fight of it.

Totally Agree


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on February 09, 2021, 21:22:35 pm
Been waiting to get to 60 to get a discount on my ST, wonít be renewing if Curle remains.
I turned 60 in Jan.. what discount do you get?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on February 09, 2021, 21:23:32 pm
I turned 60 in Jan.. what discount do you get?

£100 in the West


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on February 09, 2021, 21:23:47 pm
It could be 100%, with the s***e on the pitch Iím still not sure Iíd renew.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Coolcat on February 09, 2021, 21:37:56 pm
I'm done. I didn't want Curle from the off but having got him I wanted him to be a success. The football last year was dire but we got results, even though the entertainment value was non existent. The play off campaign showed what Curle was trying to do and it won me over. I was pleased when he signed an extension because we saw what we could do when we got it right.

This season has been shžt. No guile, no discernable tactics, no entertainment, no results and now not even any goals either. I've umm-ed and ah-ed and ultimately come down on the side of giving him more time.

Not after tonight though. He's hopeless and watching this drivel is making me miserable at a time when we all need cheering up.

**** off, Keith. You're incompetent.

Get rid of him and let Brady and Sammo see what they can get out of the players. Yes, their hands will be tied, but at least we might make a fight of it.
+1
Await the utterly comptemptable tosh, dismissing himself of any responsibility for his embarrassingly clueless style of hoof! He almost proudly put it out there that his team wouldn't be playing the tactics employed at Lincoln again!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on February 09, 2021, 21:39:03 pm
It could be 100%, with the s***e on the pitch I’m still not sure I’d renew.
I’ll be back. It’s more than just the football I’d miss the moaning


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Clarity on February 09, 2021, 21:39:28 pm


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 09, 2021, 21:45:05 pm
+1
Await the utterly comptemptable tosh, dismissing himself of any responsibility for his embarrassingly clueless style of hoof! He almost proudly put it out there that his team wouldn't be playing the tactics employed at Lincoln again!

Didn't he just? An improved performance and then straight on record to say that we might not keep that formation going forwards....revert to type since....or is that revert to tripe?

Fundamentals, jigsaws, dominos, identity, fabric, DNA....leaving players on the bench for 70 minutes so they can get a "feel of the pace of the game"...... theres no end to Curleballs!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: super-si on February 09, 2021, 21:48:29 pm
 I have invested money in this club - both last season and considerably more this season. I have experienced 2 good games under Curle - the play-off semi and final. Did he manage and motivate the players? I donít think so...the players were up for it after lockdown! I have never felt that the players have been motivated by this manager.
I am losing interest in this club!
Would Eddie Howe be interested?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 09, 2021, 21:53:20 pm
I have invested money in this club - both last season and considerably more this season. I have experienced 2 good games under Curle - the play-off semi and final. Did he manage and motivate the players? I donít think so...the players were up for it after lockdown! I have never felt that the players have been motivated by this manager.
I am losing interest in this club!
Would Eddie Howe be interested?
He would be a fool not too!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: super-si on February 09, 2021, 21:57:23 pm
He would be a fool not too!

😂😂😂


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on February 09, 2021, 22:04:18 pm
It's all gone quiet over there.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2021, 22:04:26 pm
Even Terry Fenwick managed a few goals in this tier of football.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on February 09, 2021, 22:04:55 pm
I have invested money in this club - both last season and considerably more this season. I have experienced 2 good games under Curle - the play-off semi and final. Did he manage and motivate the players? I donít think so...the players were up for it after lockdown! I have never felt that the players have been motivated by this manager.
I am losing interest in this club!
Would Eddie Howe be interested?

When he became manager at Bournemouth they were in a far worse state than we are now.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: super-si on February 09, 2021, 22:08:08 pm
When he became manager at Bournemouth they were in a far worse state we are now.

But he had so many successful seasons with them. NTFC should be a club capable of matching the achievements of Bournemouth


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 09, 2021, 22:09:03 pm
Has he gone yet?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 09, 2021, 22:22:33 pm
A quick comparison....

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbainks first 26 games in charge of the Cobblers, all games in League 1.... WON 9   DREW 6   LOST 11   Scored 25   Conceded 39   Pts 33
Keith Curles first 26 games in League 1..... WON 6    DREW 6   LOST 14    Scored 20    Conceded 41     Pts 24

We won more games under Jimmy, we scored more goals under Jimmy, we conceded fewer goals under Jimmy.....yet we all said that Jimmy was crap.......what does that make Keith??


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 09, 2021, 22:27:50 pm
Iím afraid the writing is well and truly on the wall..

Some affirmative action is required from KT if he is going to salvage anything for the supporters to return to.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 09, 2021, 22:29:30 pm
It was desperately poor stuff from beginning to end. Even non interested parties in my household thought they were rubbish/poor. Unfortunately we had no quality whilst Wigan had smudge more and it showed most of the game. How the same side who played at Stanley could be so abysmally poor tonight.  Of course those who dislike KC are out in force as they would after that performance.  Will he sacked still - not sure if KT will do that. Certainly the clamour for him to be removed will raise a notch or too! The only thing in KC's  favour is the amount of games still to be played. To me now its needs a firm hand on the tiller as all is not lost with or without KC. With any new Manager he inherits a squad woefully short of quality and really fear for any new man such is the vitriolic abuse currently flying around. In any case there is no obvious candidate! Perhaps the absence of Sheehan is really hurting us. As far I can remember a few of our rivals also lost tonight with Fleetwood doing its best to join us! Can we survive yes of course we are Northampton after all and can shock any team still.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2021, 22:31:15 pm
Iím afraid the writing is well and truly on the wall..

Some affirmative action is required from KT if he is going to salvage anything for the supporters to return to.

Spot on.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 09, 2021, 22:39:52 pm
Iíll be back. Itís more than just the football Iíd miss the moaning

 ;D  Well done Clarity


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on February 09, 2021, 22:44:54 pm
It was desperately poor stuff from beginning to end. Even non interested parties in my household thought they were rubbish/poor. Unfortunately we had no quality whilst Wigan had smudge more and it showed most of the game. How the same side who played at Stanley could be so abysmally poor tonight.  Of course those who dislike KC are out in force as they would after that performance.  Will he sacked still - not sure if KT will do that. Certainly the clamour for him to be removed will raise a notch or too! The only thing in KC's  favour is the amount of games still to be played. To me now its needs a firm hand on the tiller as all is not lost with or without KC. With any new Manager he inherits a squad woefully short of quality and really fear for any new man such is the vitriolic abuse currently flying around. In any case there is no obvious candidate! Perhaps the absence of Sheehan is really hurting us. As far I can remember a few of our rivals also lost tonight with Fleetwood doing its best to join us! Can we survive yes of course we are Northampton after all and can shock any team still.

Yes he does, or, does a new manager bring out qualities in those players we haven't yet seen?

Will Mitchell be a new Mark Bunn?
Will Horsfall be a new Sammo?
Will Watson be a new Richard Hill?
Will BAS be a new Rico?

Err! No! Sorry got carried away there, BUT, You know what I mean? ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Carton Lid on February 09, 2021, 23:10:36 pm
The problem with KC is that he is either too stupid or too stubborn that when he does stumble up on a format that works, he ditches it a game or two later, and goes back to hoofing.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 09, 2021, 23:13:44 pm
Yes he does, or, does a new manager bring out qualities in those players we haven't yet seen?

Will Mitchell be a new Mark Bunn?
Will Horsfall be a new Sammo?
Will Watson be a new Richard Hill?
Will BAS be a new Rico?

Err! No! Sorry got carried away there, BUT, You know what I mean? ;)
I actually think BAS is worst ďstrikerĒ Iíve ever seen.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 09, 2021, 23:26:30 pm
Yes he does, or, does a new manager bring out qualities in those players we haven't yet seen?

Will Mitchell be a new Mark Bunn?
Will Horsfall be a new Sammo?
Will Watson be a new Richard Hill?
Will BAS be a new Rico?

Err! No! Sorry got carried away there, BUT, You know what I mean? ;)

I have seen all these players play a better game than they did tonight.  What did Mitchell do wrong? Horsfall did ok? Watson tried hard to little effect; I think Bass and now Watson have been found wanting! Thought that McW and Sowerby deserved to be replaced but not both at the same time! Poor old Bolger; one commentator thought he was doing ok....................and then ::)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Air-Dan on February 09, 2021, 23:31:31 pm
Garry Monk would be a great appointment if we could get him.

Honestly I'd even settle for Ian Holloway at this point


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on February 09, 2021, 23:31:50 pm
I have seen all these players play a better game than they did tonight.  What did Mitchell do wrong? Horsfall did ok? Watson tried hard to little effect; I think Bass and now Watson have been found wanting! Thought that McW and Sowerby deserved to be replaced but not both at the same time! Poor old Bolger; one commentator thought he was doing ok....................and then ::)

Not doubting the effort any of these players put in, just wondering if they might look better if asked to play in a different way?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on February 09, 2021, 23:33:39 pm
Garry Monk would be a great appointment if we could get him.

Honestly I'd even settle for Ian Holloway at this point

 ;D ;D KC's Bestie! ;D ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Wanderingteyn on February 09, 2021, 23:34:24 pm
They're footballers essentially not being allowed to play football. It can't be enjoyable for any of them.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 09, 2021, 23:41:26 pm
Il repeat what I said back in November.

Get this prick out the club.

Have you sent a message to KT outlining your feelings 8) Go on give it a go; it might work 8)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 09, 2021, 23:47:01 pm
Not doubting the effort any of these players put in, just wondering if they might look better if asked to play in a different way?

Must admit your ditty puzzled me; sort of get now what you are driving at!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: tcobb on February 09, 2021, 23:48:46 pm
It's going to take a while before Everbrite sees through KC, he was one of the last people to keep backing the Cardoza's before he saw what everybody else had spotted months earlier.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 10, 2021, 00:15:00 am
Sack the useless twat now.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 10, 2021, 01:14:00 am
KC heaps it all onto the players..... https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/disappointed-curle-unhappy-cobblers-lack-fight-hunger-and-desire-3129758

"We didn't respect the simplicity of what needed to be done and we didn't do it well enough."

What does that actually mean? Respect the simplicity? Its not like we are playing any sort of technical football? It doesn't get any more simple than hoof......



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on February 10, 2021, 05:51:17 am
Heíll be blaming COVID next because that meant he couldnít look them in the eye when he was signing  them. Itís his total lack of tactical nous thatís the main issue.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on February 10, 2021, 06:34:57 am
Everbrite, you seriously think Curle can sort this, itís been crap for 2 years, I think we will lose on Sat too, when are you going to talk sense! You blurb on about the 0-0 at Accrington, it was no great spectacle and we still didnít score. For Christís sake wake up!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on February 10, 2021, 06:42:00 am
Huge day for the owners. Failure to act and their credibility is totally destroyed.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 10, 2021, 06:44:47 am
From Keith's post match interview:

ďIndividually we need to all turn up and itís my job to make sure we do.Ē

I don't think that's strictly true. We'd be better off if you didn't turn up, mate.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on February 10, 2021, 07:59:50 am
KC heaps it all onto the players..... https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/disappointed-curle-unhappy-cobblers-lack-fight-hunger-and-desire-3129758

"We didn't respect the simplicity of what needed to be done and we didn't do it well enough."

What does that actually mean? Respect the simplicity? Its not like we are playing any sort of technical football? It doesn't get any more simple than hoof......



A good question, what does he mean?

Assume it may be another way of saying we didnít do the basics!?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on February 10, 2021, 08:09:24 am
A good question, what does he mean?

Assume it may be another way of saying we didnít do the basics!?

As he increasingly loses his grip on the situation, I fear that his personnel and tactical decision making will become increasingly irrational, as will his justifications for decisions taken. Having met him, he's a nice guy ... but his race with the Cobblers is run.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: sxcobbler on February 10, 2021, 08:42:11 am
Now we will see what KT is made of.......will he act or is the fan base going to be whittled away by these unacceptable performances.

It is fortunate that there are now fans allowed in the stadium, as surely the atmosphere would have turned toxic with rebellion and demonstrations.

I have already stopped the away game iFollow-torture and Burton could well be the final straw.

It is all such a shame, but in truth, we were lucky to gain promotion and that season's side was far superior to this season.

TIME TO ACT.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on February 10, 2021, 09:00:17 am
Was hoping to wake up to the news KC had been "relieved of his duties"

Needs to happen today or KT needs to come out with a statement saying why he's still backing him & how he feels about losing hundreds of season tickets by doing so!

Honestly can accept relegation if we play some actual football and have a go each and every game.

We have absolutely no gameplan, nevermind a plan B. Pure hoof tactics just waiting to see where the ball drops..front foot football my arris'
I honestly think we have some decent players in our squad, it's just that they're not being allowed to play any sort of football!

KC is completely out of his depth, takes NO responsibility for his woeful tactics and needs to go today...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on February 10, 2021, 09:11:24 am
As Luke Graham pointed out, itís aimless hoof up front, everyone fearful of taking a touch and itís oh so predictable. Heís not the first to call it out and whilst the Personnel have changed the Manager and tactics havenít.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3419 on February 10, 2021, 09:15:10 am
There is absolutely no point in changing 2 good midfielders at half time if the manager continues to instruct the defenders to bypass them with a long ball.

I believe McWilliams, Morris, Sowerby (Miller) and Watson could be an effective midfield in a 4-4-2 formation BUT only if the manager allows them to receive the ball from the back........and maybe then we would be able to create opportunities for 2 strikers!

KC will NOT change so KT/DB must change it!!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Monkey on February 10, 2021, 09:16:30 am
I could put up with his neanderthal tactics if we were winning, but its not working and we need a change. I wouldnt be surprised if he's not in charge on Saturday, but I don't actually think KT will get rid just yet. One more poor result/performance/goalless game though and it can't be ignored.

Realistically who will replace him though - I don't really think there are many realistic options available... McCall (not sure he'd travel south of the Watford Gap), Holloway (would be fun, but don't think he'd keep us up), Parkinson (no thanks). I think Neil Harris would be my preference, but will likely have better offers on the table.
Sheehan until the end of the season would be the cheap option, but a huge risk. I wouldn't like to be in KT's shoes right now as it's a big decision - if we go down, its back to square one AGAIN. Getting boring now.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on February 10, 2021, 09:17:58 am
I believe struggling managers deserve our support and I personally believe we all owe KC a huge debt of gratitude for getting us up last year but ....

In truth, in the last 12 months weíve had 2 unbelievable good games, the rest has been poor.
Our recruitment has been woeful. I canít think of one individual that has been bought in this season is better than the person they replaced - and weíre in a higher league!
I donít care about attractive pretty football but I do care about passion and determination. I saw nothing last night - as indeed has been the case for most of the season.

Keith seems a genuine guy and no one should be critical of him not falling on his sword - like us all, he has a family to consider. But if we stick with Keith we will not improve. Iím not sure if anyone can get anything out of this poor squad but I now think someone e else should now be given a chance - global pandemic or not.

The irony is that it could be a loss to a JFH lead team that pushes KT into the inevitable but desperately sad decision to sack KC.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 10, 2021, 09:25:55 am


Honestly can accept relegation if we play some actual football and have a go each and every game.

We have absolutely no gameplan, nevermind a plan B. Pure hoof tactics just waiting to see where the ball drops..front foot football my arris'
I honestly think we have some decent players in our squad, it's just that they're not being allowed to play any sort of football!



This bit sums up exactly how I feel. Looking at the squad as it stands...

Keepers (the least of our problems)
Arnold - bang average
Mitchell - bang average

Defenders

Harriman - versatile and fairly dependable, won't set the world alight but will do a job.
Bolger - Jekyll and Hyde; occasionally looks a strong centre back, occasionally a liability.
Horsfall - Looked good in his first few games, poor ever since. Confidence?
Kioso - Defensively suspect but offers a good bit of flair going forwards.*
Mills - ditto*
Jones - A half decent player and the defence has got much better since he joined.
Sheehan - A class act, just can't get fit.

Sowerby - I rate him. A decent box-to-box player. *
Watson - Good on his day, I think his head goes down sometimes but has ability.*
McWilliams - Our best player, by some margin at the moment.*
Morris - Looks decent from what we've seen so far.*
Marshall - A good attacking option, probably best used as an impact player from the bench.*

Forwards

Hoskins - Marmite, I know, but I personally really like him and think his dynamism is much under appreciated.*
Korboa - Not sure. He looked a revelation in his first few games but more like a competition winner of late.*
Miller - Looked good, but only seen half an hour or so from him before injury.*
Ashley-Seal - There's a player in there if he gets service.*
Edmondson - Offers nothing but runs about a lot.*
Chukwuemeka - Very raw but an exciting prospect.*
Rose - Our most potent attacker at the moment.*

Those marked with a star are the players I think would be able to play/would fit much better into a more progressive footballing side (i.e. one that wants to pass the ball to another player on our team rather than welly it for someone to chase after like a demented labrador).

So to save you adding up, that's all the midfield, all the attackers and two of the wing/full backs.

Much has been made of the poor recruitment, but the truth is when you look at the squad it actually isn't that bad. It just isn't built for a kick and rush style of football. Give some of these lads some service and I think they'll do OK, they just won't make something out of nothing or come out too well in a tussle with a 6'4" centre back when the ball is dropping out of the sky near them.

The problem isn't so much the players, it's the style of play, and that comes from one man. Remove him from the equation, let the players play and we have half a chance of survival in League One.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on February 10, 2021, 09:33:33 am
There is absolutely no point in changing 2 good midfielders at half time if the manager continues to instruct the defenders to bypass them with a long ball.

I believe McWilliams, Morris, Sowerby (Miller) and Watson could be an effective midfield in a 4-4-2 formation BUT only if the manager allows them to receive the ball from the back........and maybe then we would be able to create opportunities for 2 strikers!

KC will NOT change so KT/DB must change it!!!
Spot on.
This is what I thought might happen second half. I was hoping Curle would allow them to play it through midfield a bit more (perhaps he did?). Morris is better at this than McWilliams and Watson is the best we have in an advanced position in the absence of a Holmes.
I absolutely agree that we should play 442.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: CJ on February 10, 2021, 09:38:34 am
This bit sums up exactly how I feel. Looking at the squad as it stands...

Keepers (the least of our problems)
Arnold - bang average
Mitchell - bang average

Defenders

Harriman - versatile and fairly dependable, won't set the world alight but will do a job.
Bolger - Jekyll and Hyde; occasionally looks a strong centre back, occasionally a liability.
Horsfall - Looked good in his first few games, poor ever since. Confidence?
Kioso - Defensively suspect but offers a good bit of flair going forwards.*
Mills - ditto*
Jones - A half decent player and the defence has got much better since he joined.
Sheehan - A class act, just can't get fit.

Sowerby - I rate him. A decent box-to-box player. *
Watson - Good on his day, I think his head goes down sometimes but has ability.*
McWilliams - Our best player, by some margin at the moment.*
Morris - Looks decent from what we've seen so far.*
Marshall - A good attacking option, probably best used as an impact player from the bench.*

Forwards

Hoskins - Marmite, I know, but I personally really like him and think his dynamism is much under appreciated.*
Korboa - Not sure. He looked a revelation in his first few games but more like a competition winner of late.*
Miller - Looked good, but only seen half an hour or so from him before injury.*
Ashley-Seal - There's a player in there if he gets service.*
Edmondson - Offers nothing but runs about a lot.*
Chukwuemeka - Very raw but an exciting prospect.*
Rose - Our most potent attacker at the moment.*

Those marked with a star are the players I think would be able to play/would fit much better into a more progressive footballing side (i.e. one that wants to pass the ball to another player on our team rather than welly it for someone to chase after like a demented labrador).

So to save you adding up, that's all the midfield, all the attackers and two of the wing/full backs.

Much has been made of the poor recruitment, but the truth is when you look at the squad it actually isn't that bad. It just isn't built for a kick and rush style of football. Give some of these lads some service and I think they'll do OK, they just won't make something out of nothing or come out too well in a tussle with a 6'4" centre back when the ball is dropping out of the sky near them.

The problem isn't so much the players, it's the style of play, and that comes from one man. Remove him from the equation, let the players play and we have half a chance of survival in League One.
Absolutely right that we can be much better than we are. A manager and formation change with the players we have could make a big difference.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: woody84 on February 10, 2021, 09:46:59 am
Pretty much agree with BackOfTheNet. A few differences but not enough to split hairs over.
Get a new manager in, one with a bit of positivity and this squad can survive I have no doubt of that. Leave it too long and kill of any remaining moral and we'll be back in the basement.
The time is now


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Knockingonabit on February 10, 2021, 09:54:15 am
There often comes a point where a managers departure is inevitable, the fans and not just the ones that have never been enamoured, always know when that point has been reached.

We are there now. Hopefully KT realises it is a waste of time by delaying - win, draw or lose against Burton it will make no difference overall.  


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on February 10, 2021, 09:57:36 am
We have reached the point where KC canít get anymore out of his squad, no matter how long he locks them in the dressing room for.

We are cantering towards the drop with no fight, flare or tactical ability.

Now is the time to stand KC aside and freshen things up. Iíd be happy with Sammo and Brady (even Rico!) until the end of the season to see where we end up.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3419 on February 10, 2021, 09:59:48 am
Recruitment problem;

League 2 team players- Wharton, Turnbull, Goode, McCormack, Oliver and Morton would ALL get into this League 1 side!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Winslow Lee on February 10, 2021, 10:06:11 am
I would be tempted to go 4-5-1 rather than 4-4-2 as I feel we are strong in central midfield but weak in attack.
Mitchell
kioso  Jones  Sheehan/Bolger  Mills
Hoskins Morris  Watson  McWilliams  Miller
Rose


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 10, 2021, 10:31:23 am
It's going to take a while before Everbrite sees through KC, he was one of the last people to keep backing the Cardoza's before he saw what everybody else had spotted months earlier.

Not biting el winder uppo ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Martin on February 10, 2021, 10:46:35 am
I have little doubt that gutless KT will leave it too late to get rid of Curle, just like he did a few years ago when getting rid of Hasselbaink. It gives the newcomer little or no chance of turning things around. I realise it will cost to get rid of Curle but there is a greater cost in relegation and alienation of the supporters. How many loyal season ticket holders like me will decide not to waste any further money if Curle remains in place.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 10, 2021, 11:02:49 am
I think we all have a misconception here, itís that KT cares, Kelvin Thomas doesnít give two fcuks about the club, threatening not to renew our season tickets wonít bother him because heíll just shave it off the playing budget.
You only have to look at the state of the ground to know that, no pride, no attending games, even when he could, no plan nothing.
I actually think when Burton turn us over at the weekend and they will, 3 or 4 nil, KT still wonít act.
The club is being run at the absolute minimum, this set up would also be in the bottom 3 or 4 of L2.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 10, 2021, 11:45:56 am
I haven't suffered or been tainted by the performances on the park through iFollow.
I can only go by what I read on here and the results.
I normally acknowledge the reactions on here and attempt to put positive slants them.

HOWEVER, based purely on results and the lack of numbers in the goals scored column for this season, KC needs to be relieved of his duties with immediate effect.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 10, 2021, 12:17:11 pm
I haven't suffered or been tainted by the performances on the park through iFollow.
I can only go by what I read on here and the results.
I normally acknowledge the reactions on here and attempt to put positive slants them.

HOWEVER, based purely on results and the lack of numbers in the goals scored column for this season, KC needs to be relieved of his duties with immediate effect.

Not many will disagree with you!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 10, 2021, 12:50:56 pm
I am huge advocate of really wringing out the best you can out of any situation or person. Unfortunately there is a distinct possibility that the clubs relationship with the support will rapidly become more toxic as each day passes. I cannot express any clearer than I already have, how much the current climate will impact on the future of the club. We are all alike at the moment. All of us are desperately looking for something positive to cling on to. For those of us that prey at the alter of NTFC, we look to them as customers/supporters to see us through this challenging phase. A lot of us have paid in good faith to support the club, with not a lot more than a glimpse of Curles folly via our ipad/PC screens. We must not feel guilty for asking for a better return than this. I am probably one of the least critical people around when it comes to censuring the club, but I do hold a genuine concern about the bigger picture. KT needs to be acutely aware that the vast majority of the support have buried their opinions on the redevelopment front, but the trade off has to be a decent product on the pitch. At this point in time, I cannot see any advantages to this relationship from a supporters perspective. Of course I am aware of the huge challenges that COVID has brought to all businesses. But to survive this, you cannot disregard the emotional aspect of things. For most lower league supporters, it is the only thing that fuels their loyalty.

DON'T TAKE THE Pi$$ WITH IT.. 


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 10, 2021, 13:54:42 pm
After a defeat/bad performance, I've spent many weeks and months defending KC on various different social platforms.

Last night though, I didn't.

There are 20 games still to play and we are only goal difference away (3 goals?) from 3 positions above us and the other side of the safety line. There are 7 teams that are definitively poorer than the other 17 teams, and we are one of them. Mathematically we have a decent chance of staying up, lets face it our 'rivals' are getting tonked most games (Rochdale 1-4 at home to an average MK side only last night being a prime example). However, we cant score. Simples. And last night we seemed to revert to 'type', having actually starting to evolve a fair bit in recent games and play some decent football, albeit without scoring. Its almost as if KC's solution to the problem of not scoring was to 'go long again'. It was a catastrophic error of judgement in my opinion, and his use of subs last night was (being respectful)...questionable!

The tipping point for me, has been reached. Maybe a fair bit further down the line than it did for some. But these days I try to be less reactive to stuff, and sentiments do play a part...KC and his team gave me the only two full on, decent days in the last 11 months or so. I will always be thankful for those two evenings towards the end of the first lockdown last Summer; I absolutely wanted him to keep us up this season, by hook or by crook...

It just feels though that its now reached the point where the whole bigger picture has to be considered. Those with an ounce of intelligence will know what Im on about; but to summarise, its now far too toxic.

I'm not screaming for it. Sent a couple of tweets last night and one (I think) post on a facebook page, and today, just this one on here. Ill still log in and watch us on Saturday hoping for a win if KC remains in charge. Like I have done for every league game this season and indeed cup game. But I just cant help but feel that IF he does stay in charge of the team and IF we do go down or IF he's kept on for a bit longer and we are a few points adrift etc...then it will be difficult for the club to sell its product(s) with next season in mind. KT is walking on a tightrope at the minute and I do not envy him one bit for that. He's dammed if he does, dammed if he doesn't.

Like I say, bigger picture for me..he now has to go. He's been one of our more successful managers, steadied the ship when it was in danger of plummeting into non league aka Chesterfield and then somehow, getting it promoted one season later. But football is all about short term success, and because of that managers do not stick around for long. KC is 24th most longest serving manager currently out of the 92...says it all.

As well as the bigger picture, I believe that our very best chance of staying up now is 'a new manager bounce' - I will never be convinced they do not exist. So in my own little world, as well as 'looking at the bigger picture', its time for KC and his jigsaw puzzles to continue their journey's at some other place. I will though be always very thankful for their involvement and hard work at NTFC.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: west stand oap on February 10, 2021, 14:12:13 pm
I doubt if KC is going anywhere as he probably has enough credit banked with KT from previous seasons.
2 seasons ago, when he was brought in, he turned the ship around to safety when it was heading for the rocks.
Last season guided us to an unexpected promotion. KT did not appear to expect it as he considered us outsiders when we reached the play offs and he has often said what a good job KC is doing.
So regardless of comments on here I would be surprised he was removed. Nicky Adam's interview after he left seems to indicate the players have a much different view to most supporters.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: woody84 on February 10, 2021, 14:15:38 pm
It should be before the weekend but it wont be. If we lose he'll be gone.
If we win (as I expect) he'll stay and we'll just be delaying the inevitable but giving a new manager even less time to influence things.

I saw 1 message on twitter last night saying he should get longer and about 80-100 saying he should go. Can you imagine how loud the boo's would have been inside a stadium.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 10, 2021, 14:24:58 pm
I doubt if KC is going anywhere as he probably has enough credit banked with KT from previous seasons.
2 seasons ago, when he was brought in, he turned the ship around to safety when it was heading for the rocks.
Last season guided us to an unexpected promotion. KT did not appear to expect it as he considered us outsiders when we reached the play offs and he has often said what a good job KC is doing.
So regardless of comments on here I would be surprised he was removed. Nicky Adam's interview after he left seems to indicate the players have a much different view to most supporters.
I think that sums it up Marvo, fcuk the customers it will cost too much to get rid.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 10, 2021, 14:25:49 pm
It should be before the weekend but it wont be. If we lose he'll be gone.
If we win (as I expect) he'll stay and we'll just be delaying the inevitable but giving a new manager even less time to influence things.

I saw 1 message on twitter last night saying he should get longer and about 80-100 saying he should go. Can you imagine how loud the boo's would have been inside a stadium.
You really think we can win on Saturday  ;D
Not a snowballs chance in hell.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Saint Cobbler on February 10, 2021, 14:46:08 pm
We have reached the point where KC canít get anymore out of his squad, no matter how long he locks them in the dressing room for.

We are cantering towards the drop with no fight, flare or tactical ability.

Now is the time to stand KC aside and freshen things up. Iíd be happy with Sammo and Brady (even Rico!) until the end of the season to see where we end up.
I agree with this. I think there is a reasonable amount of ability within the squad. We just have a headless chicken as manager. We'll go down for certain under KC so let's just see whether there is any improvement with Sammo in charge. He was OK before with, I would suggest, a slightly inferior squad.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: woody84 on February 10, 2021, 14:59:36 pm
You really think we can win on Saturday  ;D
Not a snowballs chance in hell.
Only because it will mean he gets longer.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 10, 2021, 15:05:57 pm
We have reached the point where KC canít get anymore out of his squad, no matter how long he locks them in the dressing room for.

We are cantering towards the drop with no fight, flare or tactical ability.

Now is the time to stand KC aside and freshen things up. Iíd be happy with Sammo and Brady (even Rico!) until the end of the season to see where we end up.

Thought there was effort but not much else


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 10, 2021, 15:10:29 pm
Spot on.
This is what I thought might happen second half. I was hoping Curle would allow them to play it through midfield a bit more (perhaps he did?). Morris is better at this than McWilliams and Watson is the best we have in an advanced position in the absence of a Holmes.
I absolutely agree that we should play 442.



4 4 2 for me too


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: OCoole on February 10, 2021, 16:10:25 pm
I think this tweet from @NTFCanalytics on Twitter sums it up:

"The following ranks how we are performing in L1 in many categories, all stats are per 90.

Goals: 24th
Possession: 22nd
Shots: 21st
Crosses: 23rd
1v1 Dribbling: 23rd
Touches in oppo penalty area: 24th
Corners for: 24th
Corners Against: 2nd most
Passes: 24th

Change needed.

#ntfc"

Absolutely shocking across the board. Curle can say what he likes about being able to turn it around, but he would have to fundamentally change the way they play - which both he and the players are not capable of.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 10, 2021, 16:18:32 pm
He's gone!!!

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2021/february/club_statement/?fbclid=IwAR1ZGaDG2f-cx30rcNx5AYlyRs-AF_DQ9vT-car_Kgz39-8-kQV0WQfqvAA (https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2021/february/club_statement/?fbclid=IwAR1ZGaDG2f-cx30rcNx5AYlyRs-AF_DQ9vT-car_Kgz39-8-kQV0WQfqvAA)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 10, 2021, 16:22:30 pm
Brady, Sammo and Rico in caretaker charge.... let's see what they can do!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1971cobbler on February 10, 2021, 16:23:14 pm
Tisdale just been sacked by Bristol Rovers too

Swap?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on February 10, 2021, 16:26:32 pm
Absolutely over the moon 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: greek73 on February 10, 2021, 16:27:37 pm
Brady, Sammo and Rico in caretaker charge.... let's see what they can do!

Can't be any worse


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 10, 2021, 16:29:51 pm
Tisdale just been sacked by Bristol Rovers too

Swap?

To be honest, I'm actually quite excited by the prospect of those three having a go. I think if I were KT I'd be inclined to hold off recruitment and give them three or four games to see how they do before looking for anyone else. I don't think there's anything to lose at this point.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on February 10, 2021, 16:32:00 pm
FANTASTIC NEWS.

I HAVE CRACKED A BEER.

Why give him the transfer window though!?

Should have gone many months ago.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: OCoole on February 10, 2021, 16:32:21 pm
Tisdale just been sacked by Bristol Rovers too

Swap?

Please no, he's very overrated


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 10, 2021, 16:34:26 pm
Well done NTFC. All the best Keith. Decent chap, but a horror story in terms of his football.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on February 10, 2021, 16:35:02 pm
We have reached the point where KC canít get anymore out of his squad, no matter how long he locks them in the dressing room for.

We are cantering towards the drop with no fight, flare or tactical ability.

Now is the time to stand KC aside and freshen things up. Iíd be happy with Sammo and Brady (even Rico!) until the end of the season to see where we end up.

Thanks for listening KT.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on February 10, 2021, 16:36:23 pm
Phew, agree he seemed a nice enough guy but refused to adapt and itís been pretty poor for the past 18 months. Letís see where we go from here, it canít be any worse.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: LawfordCob on February 10, 2021, 16:36:52 pm
I really wanted him to do well. This is the right decision though.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: LawfordCob on February 10, 2021, 16:38:50 pm
To be honest, I'm actually quite excited by the prospect of those three having a go. I think if I were KT I'd be inclined to hold off recruitment and give them three or four games to see how they do before looking for anyone else. I don't think there's anything to lose at this point.
Completely agree with this!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: EB Claret on February 10, 2021, 16:41:27 pm
I had hoped KC would turn it around as he did last season but think his time was up and this is the right decision. Things were not improving and I reckon last night was probably the worst I have seen in over 45 years of watching the Cobblers.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 10, 2021, 16:41:31 pm
Praise the Lord 😄😄😄👏👏👏👏🎉🎉🎉🍺🍺🍺🍺


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 10, 2021, 16:44:18 pm
To be honest, I'm actually quite excited by the prospect of those three having a go. I think if I were KT I'd be inclined to hold off recruitment and give them three or four games to see how they do before looking for anyone else. I don't think there's anything to lose at this point.

Agree with this.....!

Well done KT for smelling the coffee......good move and good appointment/ replacements in the interim.

Lets face it, results, performances and entertainment can hardly be any worse! In fact Brady has built up a good reputation for exciting attacking football with the U18's so here's hoping that translates across to the full squad now!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on February 10, 2021, 16:44:46 pm
Phew, agree he seemed a nice enough guy but refused to adapt and itís been pretty poor for the past 18 months. Letís see where we go from here, it canít be any worse.

He seemed like the most stubborn f***er around. Just imagine working with him, it was very much his way or the highway.

Hopefully he has taken his puzzles, philosophy and characters with him


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 10, 2021, 16:45:21 pm
Was it done from Florida?
But whatever, im having a cheeky little beer over this.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on February 10, 2021, 16:55:30 pm
Did a great job taking us from near the foot of League Two and then getting us promoted in his first full season. Seemed a nice guy and obviously very passionate about the game which is always nice to see. I think with his style of play itís always a case of when youíre winning you can get away with it but naturally people will quickly be on your back when it doesnít work. I donít think he fully got the credit he deserved for promotion but I am pleased with the timing by KT. To me it was either act now or give him until the end of the season and see what happens. Iím not a fan of sacking managers with 10 games to go. Itís never nice to see someone lose their job and itís disappointing to see some of the distasteful comments in reaction to the news. Our fan base appears to be becoming less dignified by the day which is a great shame.

Thanks Keith for giving us some unforgettable memories in a summer that was difficult for us all!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 10, 2021, 16:59:17 pm
If KT had listened to me when I first posted my disapproval the new man would have had a transfer window to bring in the players HE needed to improve the squad.
Now we are scrapping the barrel, FFS GET HOLMES BACK IN AND MARSHALL.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3419 on February 10, 2021, 17:00:43 pm
Praise the Lord 😄😄😄👏👏👏👏🎉🎉🎉🍺🍺🍺🍺

and I thought you hated KT !!!!


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 10, 2021, 17:01:47 pm
Thanks for listening KT.


Get rid of him and let Brady and Sammo see what they can get out of the players. Yes, their hands will be tied, but at least we might make a fight of it.

Beat you to it.  :P


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 10, 2021, 17:08:52 pm
and I thought you hated KT !!!!
Haha, do you know what I donít like, I donít like the way KT talks down to supporters, I donít like the way he treats everyone as stupid, I donít like the way he has had soon to be 7 managers in the last 5 and a half years or the state of the stadium.
But I am grateful heís got rid of a manager who has played the worst football I can remember.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 10, 2021, 17:12:33 pm
The complete lack of game plan, dreadful team selections, dreadful substitutions and lack of motivation are unfortunately too much and he has to go.
Act now and give the new man the January window to sign some quality to keep us in this division.
😎


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on February 10, 2021, 17:35:14 pm
😎

You did also say KC would never get us promoted 😂 you had to get one right at some point I guess 🤪


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 10, 2021, 17:55:50 pm
You did also say KC would never get us promoted 😂 you had to get one right at some point I guess 🤪
And what have you ever got right ? 😎


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Robas on February 10, 2021, 18:00:00 pm
He certainly made life hard for himself by completely dismantling last years team. This was compounded by a complete mis-judgement of the effect of Covid on the transfer market.

He thought loads of good players would be available as clubs cut their budget and that he could retain key players like Oliver by offering them a "cheap" deal. However, others were prepared to offer him what he thought he was worth. A total fiasco that cost us a player integral to the Curle system.

So he ended up scrabbling for what was left over.

Despite this, we have somehow limped to a position where we are still in with a fair chance of getting out of this mess.

The football has largely been difficult to watch, but having got to the transfer window we have, again, made a compete pigs ear of it. How on earth can we only have one striker who has scored more then 1 League goal??

I'm no Smith fan, but Edmondson looks what he is - a young lad with no real experience of mans football. Hard to expect him to turn our scoring problems round. Certainly not the pedigree of a Morton.

We have limited options, but we just have to hope that we can liberate the players with a more positive tactical format and get them to "play for the shirt". Any additional useful recruits would be welcome... perhaps even Rico will make a comeback! I'm not really being serious, but honestly don't think he would be any worse than some of the options.  

Good luck to John, Sammo and Rico. I hope the players respond.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Boot and shoe on February 10, 2021, 18:44:50 pm
What a joyous fray to behold !!!
At last the charlatan has gone !
I fully back Jon Brady . He is a very good coach that will bring modern methods to this team . He is also an intelligent man that will not blag his way out of a situation .
Fantastic news indeed


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on February 10, 2021, 18:48:19 pm
And what have you ever got right ? 😎

Think my assertion that he should be given more time when people were calling for him to be sacked in League Two turned out to be a pretty decent one. He at least got us into league one 😎


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: bluebry on February 10, 2021, 19:46:09 pm
Think my assertion that he should be given more time when people were calling for him to be sacked in League Two turned out to be a pretty decent one. He at least got us into league one 😎

Well its never nice for someone to lose their job, however I always thought Keith was on borrowed time both at Northampton and at my club Carlisle.
I got to know him very well whilst at the Blues, and apart from the conversation's with him where 2/3 words would do instead of his customary '20 word waffle', he was a nice guy. But unfortunately I never took to him as our manager despite a small amount of success (we got into the play offs with him.....but failed), it always grinds with me with the players at his disposal at his time with the Blues that he should have done much, much better, too much chopping and changing of the players , too much worrying about the opponents, too much fannying around at the back and definitely too much chopping and changing the tactics, (he once changed it 3 times in one half alone), he never could seem to understand the word 'consistency' which in my book breeds confidence.
Anyway good luck Keith, and even if some of our fans would welcome him back tomorrow (heaven knows why with the manager we've got)????? I wouldn't.
And if its any consolation he was 100 times better than Steven Pressley.   


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: crazycobbler on February 10, 2021, 19:57:20 pm
Well its never nice for someone to lose their job, however I always thought Keith was on borrowed time both at Northampton and at my club Carlisle.
I got to know him very well whilst at the Blues, and apart from the conversation's with him where 2/3 words would do instead of his customary '20 word waffle', he was a nice guy. But unfortunately I never took to him as our manager despite a small amount of success (we got into the play offs with him.....but failed), it always grinds with me with the players at his disposal at his time with the Blues that he should have done much, much better, too much chopping and changing of the players , too much worrying about the opponents, too much fannying around at the back and definitely too much chopping and changing the tactics, (he once changed it 3 times in one half alone), he never could seem to understand the word 'consistency' which in my book breeds confidence.
Anyway good luck Keith, and even if some of our fans would welcome him back tomorrow (heaven knows why with the manager we've got)????? I wouldn't.
And if its any consolation he was 100 times better than Steven Pressley.   

I think youíll find at this level and below, most managers are relatively average and will have some periods of success and some absolute horror shows. In fact, unless you look at the very best managers in the world itís difficult to find many that have not had a job or a spell where things have been very poor. When I look at the majority of football league managers I donít think many are really better than the opposing manager I just think sometimes it clicks and sometimes it doesnít. Of course youíll get exceptions, for example Wilder who proved to be well above this level tactically. Conversely, Dean Austin who seemed a great guy but out of his depth in the football league. But generally I just think a lot of it is timing, circumstances and a bit of good old fashioned luck.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on February 10, 2021, 20:10:57 pm
Huge day for the owners. Failure to act and their credibility is totally destroyed.

Glad that they paid attention  ;)


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Welly Cobb on February 10, 2021, 20:19:29 pm
I think youíll find at this level and below, most managers are relatively average and will have some periods of success and some absolute horror shows. In fact, unless you look at the very best managers in the world itís difficult to find many that have not had a job or a spell where things have been very poor. When I look at the majority of football league managers I donít think many are really better than the opposing manager I just think sometimes it clicks and sometimes it doesnít. Of course youíll get exceptions, for example Wilder who proved to be well above this level tactically. Conversely, Dean Austin who seemed a great guy but out of his depth in the football league. But generally I just think a lot of it is timing, circumstances and a bit of good old fashioned luck.
I think this post is interesting as its very much line in my thoughts. Managerial sucesss seems in many ways to be random and have little basis on previous results, experience or skills. Look at Gary Jphnson... either an an amazing manager or the worst we've ever had depending on whose fans you ask. Might as well pull names out of hat, and then if it doesnt work you just go again with another option .


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 10, 2021, 20:20:49 pm
Glad that they paid attention  ;)
Nice work Dan 👍


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: SadOldGit on February 10, 2021, 22:18:09 pm
Glad that they paid attention  ;)

Any chance of getting them to finish the east stand?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Dan on February 10, 2021, 22:25:26 pm
Any chance of getting them to finish the east stand?

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Winslow Lee on February 10, 2021, 22:38:57 pm
I think youíll find at this level and below, most managers are relatively average and will have some periods of success and some absolute horror shows. In fact, unless you look at the very best managers in the world itís difficult to find many that have not had a job or a spell where things have been very poor. When I look at the majority of football league managers I donít think many are really better than the opposing manager I just think sometimes it clicks and sometimes it doesnít. Of course youíll get exceptions, for example Wilder who proved to be well above this level tactically. Conversely, Dean Austin who seemed a great guy but out of his depth in the football league. But generally I just think a lot of it is timing, circumstances and a bit of good old fashioned luck.

+1

Had for instance Oliver resigned and Wharton & Morton come back on loan (assuming the later hadnít picked up a similar to that at Lincoln) which didnít happen but was far from the realm of fantasy. I have no doubt we would be safe and not having this conversation. I know itís easy to talk about what ifs but you only need a few situations to go your way and the picture can change dramatically.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: guest3419 on February 11, 2021, 05:27:17 am
Any chance of getting them to finish the east stand?
KT has said he is making PROGRESS............................it must be true as he has said it TEN times!!!!

Not a brick laid, that is progress?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 11, 2021, 09:09:44 am
KT has said he is making PROGRESS............................it must be true as he has said it TEN times!!!!

Not a brick laid, that is progress.
The east stand is a public humiliation for Thomas and the council.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on February 11, 2021, 15:15:56 pm
He's not hanging around...

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/next-bristol-rovers-manager-former-4993346 (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/next-bristol-rovers-manager-former-4993346)

Next Bristol Rovers manager: Former England defender and Northampton Town boss wants job

Former Bristol Rovers and Bristol City defender Keith Curle is eager to immediately return to management and is interested in the vacancy at the Mem

Bristol-born Keith Curle is interested in the managerial vacancy at Bristol Rovers following Paul Tisdale's exit.

Bristol Live understands Curle, who started his playing career at the Gas, is eager to immediately return to work after his two-and-a-half-year stint at Northampton Town ended on Wednesday.

The Cobblers parted company with Curle within minutes of Tisdaleís sacking at Rovers yesterday, and the 57-year-old is keen to be back in the dugout as soon as possible.

Curle fancies a return to the city of his birth to take charge of the Gas as they vie to arrest a 10-game winless run and avoid relegation from League One.

Curle has amassed a managerial career of more than 500 games, having taken charge of Mansfield Town, Torquay United, Notts County and Carlisle United before taking the job at Sixfields.

The three-cap England international steered the Cobblers to promotion via the League Two play-off final in June with a 4-0 win over Exeter City but was relieved of his duties this week with the club, alongside Rovers, locked in a relegation battle.

Curle started his playing career with Rovers in the early 1980s before joining the likes of Manchester City and Wolverhampton Wanderers. He also had playing stints with Bristol City and Wimbledon before moving into management in 2002.

He also spent time on Neil Warnockís coaching staff at Queens Park Rangers and Crystal Palace, winning promotion to the Premier League with QPR and reaching the Championship play-offs at Selhurst Park.



Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 11, 2021, 15:55:21 pm
He's not hanging around...

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/next-bristol-rovers-manager-former-4993346 (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/next-bristol-rovers-manager-former-4993346)

Next Bristol Rovers manager: Former England defender and Northampton Town boss wants job

Former Bristol Rovers and Bristol City defender Keith Curle is eager to immediately return to management and is interested in the vacancy at the Mem

Bristol-born Keith Curle is interested in the managerial vacancy at Bristol Rovers following Paul Tisdale's exit.

Bristol Live understands Curle, who started his playing career at the Gas, is eager to immediately return to work after his two-and-a-half-year stint at Northampton Town ended on Wednesday.

The Cobblers parted company with Curle within minutes of Tisdale’s sacking at Rovers yesterday, and the 57-year-old is keen to be back in the dugout as soon as possible.

Curle fancies a return to the city of his birth to take charge of the Gas as they vie to arrest a 10-game winless run and avoid relegation from League One.

Curle has amassed a managerial career of more than 500 games, having taken charge of Mansfield Town, Torquay United, Notts County and Carlisle United before taking the job at Sixfields.

The three-cap England international steered the Cobblers to promotion via the League Two play-off final in June with a 4-0 win over Exeter City but was relieved of his duties this week with the club, alongside Rovers, locked in a relegation battle.

Curle started his playing career with Rovers in the early 1980s before joining the likes of Manchester City and Wolverhampton Wanderers. He also had playing stints with Bristol City and Wimbledon before moving into management in 2002.

He also spent time on Neil Warnock’s coaching staff at Queens Park Rangers and Crystal Palace, winning promotion to the Premier League with QPR and reaching the Championship play-offs at Selhurst Park.

He sound good, is he available??  ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 11, 2021, 16:51:29 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/wigan-horror-show-was-one-abject-performance-too-many-keith-curle-3131413
A good piece in the Chron from JH...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Cobblersmad on February 12, 2021, 08:52:13 am
One of the myths that people are throwing about is that he saved is from relegation in his first season.

He was appointed on 1st October.

Season ends in May.

If it was February or March he was appointed, I would subscribe to this theory.

Yes we were near the bottom, but not hopelessly out of sight from the team above us.

With this theory then imo he should have made us Champions as we should have won every game from October to May...


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 12, 2021, 10:35:26 am
One of the myths that people are throwing about is that he saved is from relegation in his first season.

He was appointed on 1st October.

Season ends in May.

If it was February or March he was appointed, I would subscribe to this theory.

Yes we were near the bottom, but not hopelessly out of sight from the team above us.

With this theory then imo he should have made us Champions as we should have won every game from October to May...
We were in deep trouble when Curle took over, fair play to him he steadied the ship and got us away from the bottom.
Sadly for keef this is where he is best in L2, near the bottom, where his tactic work.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 12, 2021, 10:55:03 am
We were in deep trouble when Curle took over, fair play to him he steadied the ship and got us away from the bottom.
Sadly for keef this is where he is best in L2, near the bottom, where his tactic work.

Agreed, the promotion was probably just as much of a shock to him as it was to us... ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Manwork04 on February 12, 2021, 11:05:31 am
Agreed, the promotion was probably just as much of a shock to him as it was to us... ;D
Itís a shame he couldnít kick on with some slightly better tactics and football but hey ho.
Mind you thereís always two sides to a story, it would be interesting to know what his thoughts were on KT, budget for this league etc.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: rodger on February 12, 2021, 13:08:00 pm
One of the myths that people are throwing about is that he saved is from relegation in his first season.

He was appointed on 1st October.

Season ends in May.

If it was February or March he was appointed, I would subscribe to this theory.

Yes we were near the bottom, but not hopelessly out of sight from the team above us.

With this theory then imo he should have made us Champions as we should have won every game from October to May...

Wilder didn't save us from relegation then as he was appointed in January


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: OCoole on February 12, 2021, 13:45:30 pm
Wilder didn't save us from relegation then as he was appointed in January

I think it was a little different to that.

Curle did turn the around the club from having a losing mentality to playoff winners in under two seasons which is commendable - in fact it was a quicker turnaround to a promotion than with Wilder - but they were by no means in serious relegation peril in October when he came in.

When Wilder came in the club was fully up sh1t creek without a paddle, some way adrift of safety and with an absolutely shocking squad leftover by Boothroyd.

Both go down as successful managers in my opinion, although it was sad and extremely frustrating to see KC go so far backwards.

I think this has happened to a lot of managers at the club who have enjoyed some success at one period in their term, and they end up with a record like Curle's where they have lost as many they have won - Stuart Gray, Ian Sampson, Ian Atkins, Wilson etc. all went to the same way for various reasons.

There have been only 7 managers to depart with a net positive (at least +10 more wins than losses) record in our entire history: Chris Wilder (2014-16), Colin Calderwood (2003-06), Graham Carr (1985-90), Bill Dodgin in his first spell (1973-76), Dave Bowen in his first spell (1959-67), Bob Dennison (1949-54) and Jack Tresadern (1925-30).

What is the formula for finding the next one I wonder?


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: 1971cobbler on February 12, 2021, 14:08:39 pm
I think it was a little different to that.

Curle did turn the around the club from having a losing mentality to playoff winners in under two seasons which is commendable - in fact it was a quicker turnaround to a promotion than with Wilder - but they were by no means in serious relegation peril in October when he came in.

When Wilder came in the club was fully up sh1t creek without a paddle, some way adrift of safety and with an absolutely shocking squad leftover by Boothroyd.

Both go down as successful managers in my opinion, although it was sad and extremely frustrating to see KC go so far backwards.

I think this has happened to a lot of managers at the club who have enjoyed some success at one period in their term, and they end up with a record like Curle's where they have lost as many they have won - Stuart Gray, Ian Sampson, Ian Atkins, Wilson etc. all went to the same way for various reasons.

There have been only 7 managers to depart with a net positive (at least +10 more wins than losses) record in our entire history: Chris Wilder (2014-16), Colin Calderwood (2003-06), Graham Carr (1985-90), Bill Dodgin in his first spell (1973-76), Dave Bowen in his first spell (1959-67), Bob Dennison (1949-54) and Jack Tresadern (1925-30).

What is the formula for finding the next one I wonder?

That's easy. Winning more games than you lose.

 ;D


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: Charlatan on February 12, 2021, 14:27:08 pm
I think it was a little different to that.

Curle did turn the around the club from having a losing mentality to playoff winners in under two seasons which is commendable - in fact it was a quicker turnaround to a promotion than with Wilder - but they were by no means in serious relegation peril in October when he came in.

When Wilder came in the club was fully up sh1t creek without a paddle, some way adrift of safety and with an absolutely shocking squad leftover by Boothroyd.

Both go down as successful managers in my opinion, although it was sad and extremely frustrating to see KC go so far backwards.

I think this has happened to a lot of managers at the club who have enjoyed some success at one period in their term, and they end up with a record like Curle's where they have lost as many they have won - Stuart Gray, Ian Sampson, Ian Atkins, Wilson etc. all went to the same way for various reasons.

There have been only 7 managers to depart with a net positive (at least +10 more wins than losses) record in our entire history: Chris Wilder (2014-16), Colin Calderwood (2003-06), Graham Carr (1985-90), Bill Dodgin in his first spell (1973-76), Dave Bowen in his first spell (1959-67), Bob Dennison (1949-54) and Jack Tresadern (1925-30).

What is the formula for finding the next one I wonder?
Thanks for that post O'Coole. I would presume that these statistics would be relevant to most clubs who have spent the majority of their time in the lower leagues. Good research Sir.


Title: Re: CURLE OUT.
Post by: everbrite on February 12, 2021, 14:47:16 pm
Thanks for that post O'Coole. I would presume that these statistics would be relevant to most clubs who have spent the majority of their time in the lower leagues. Good research Sir.

Am surprised too as there has been some decent research carried out by O'Cool. Even mentions Dennison and from 1925  Jack Tresadern!! Perhaps he might have been tempted to include Herbert Chapman possibly our most famous 'name' manager.....going back to 1912!