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Title: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 11, 2020, 12:18:12 pm
Next up is a trip to Crewe.... i'm disappointed to be missing the visit to my home town again! Last seasons trip fell victim to the pandemic. This will be their first game with fans back in the ground, 2000 or so expected to attend.

Crewe sit in 13th place on 20 points, two points and three places above us.

They are, like most mid-table teams, a tad inconsistent. They have only won one of their last 6 games in all competitions, their last home game brought about a 4-2 victory over Swindon, a game they were 2-0 down in after 37 minutes. Other home victories have been over MK Dons, Wigan and Peterborough, they have been beaten at home by Charlton, Lincoln and Gillingham.

6 foot 3 inch French Striker Mikael Mandron is their leading scorer, with 7 goals so far (4 of them in the league), Defender Harry Pickering is one of those next in the charts with 4 goals.

Cobblers connections in former defender David Artell who is their manager of course. 77 wins in 194 games for him, just under 40% overall, not many draws with just 34 over that period. Daniel Powell is the other former Cobbler in their ranks, he has suffered from injury issues at the start of the season but has been a regular on the teamsheet since, he has 3 goals to his name.

We are without a defeat in our last six games against Crewe, winning four of those games, and we've had some big wins in recent years, beating them 4-1 at home last season, 6-2 in 2011, and 5-1 in 2009. This will be the 70th meeting between the teams, we hold the upper hand with 29 wins to their 24.

John Busby is the appointed ref for the game, 14 games for him this season and he's handed out 35 yellow and three red cards.  He reffed the Fylde Coast Derby between Fleetwood and Blackpool last weekend, strangely the only game this season where he hasn't issued a booking! He was in charge of our 1-0 win at Macclesfield last season.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 11, 2020, 12:59:16 pm
Curlio Hoofball vs football emm, weíve come off the better recently they will be desperate to beat us.
2-2 Smith and Holmes


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Coolcat on December 11, 2020, 13:27:42 pm
A surprisingly good record against the Alex in recent seasons, both home and away!

Trivia;
My very first away game was Crewe Alexandra. Monday April 4th 1983.
Lost 1-0. 2,197 attendance with around 30 Cobblers.
As a fourteen year old, travelled up on the train from Nuneaton. NTFC flatcap nicked after the game and a punch in the face from a Pringle wearing Crewe casual... haven't looked back since!  ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 11, 2020, 14:07:48 pm
Although not necessarily given the assists, Daniel Powell has been involved in many of the final passes/touches prior to goals Crewe have scored in the matches he has played.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: andy scouse on December 11, 2020, 14:09:38 pm
Yet another chance for Artell to get off his chest his distaste for hoof ball and time wasting.Last season I sat behind Artel in the main stand both at Sixfields and the previous year at Gresty Road and all afternoon on both occasions he spent the whole of the afternoon complaining about the Cobblers in the ear of the 4th official. He thinks he is the Special One of the lower leagues and hence it gives me great pleasure when the Cobblers turn over one of his teams.Lets hope Ricky starts the game and has one of his marque performances which is nothing to do with hoof ball.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: west stand oap on December 11, 2020, 14:22:24 pm
Many years ago when we used to have the Saturday evening Sports Chronicle several times after losing away to the railwaymen the headline was "No change at Crewe". Let's hope this cannot appear after this weeks game.
I think our first class coach will have us fired up so we have a good head of steam, derailing the opposition, shunting them into the buffers and we will return with the points. The 4th official must be on his guard as he will be on track for Artell funnelling his frustration in his direction.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Coolcat on December 11, 2020, 15:14:21 pm
Many years ago when we used to have the Saturday evening Sports Chronicle several times after losing away to the railwaymen the headline was "No change at Crewe". Let's hope this cannot appear after this weeks game.
I think our first class coach will have us fired up so we have a good head of steam, derailing the opposition, shunting them into the buffers and we will return with the points. The 4th official must be on his guard as he will be on track for Artell funnelling his frustration in his direction.
Probably the same Pink Un hack who always headlined with 'Cobblers bury Bury' anytime we beat them!  ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Larry on December 11, 2020, 15:35:46 pm
Probably the same Pink Un hack who always headlined with 'Cobblers bury Bury' anytime we beat them!  ;D

My favourite was "Cobblers put the bolt on Bolton"


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: SadOldGit on December 11, 2020, 16:36:58 pm
Many years ago when we used to have the Saturday evening Sports Chronicle several times after losing away to the railwaymen the headline was "No change at Crewe". Let's hope this cannot appear after this weeks game.
I think our first class coach will have us fired up so we have a good head of steam, derailing the opposition, shunting them into the buffers and we will return with the points. The 4th official must be on his guard as he will be on track for Artell funnelling his frustration in his direction.


I'd be chuffed with all the points.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CobblerForever on December 11, 2020, 17:15:36 pm
I was particularly taken by the headline "A Towering Performance" after we'd beaten Blackpool away many, many years ago.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Cordwainer2 on December 11, 2020, 17:40:00 pm
Martin blunts The Blades


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Carton Lid on December 11, 2020, 17:42:50 pm
After Frank Large and Peter Kane both scored 2 in a 4-0 win "Swindon get Large Kaning"  ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: JeanGenie on December 11, 2020, 23:09:51 pm
Spoke with Bolger today, said he was hoping to play tomorrow, and that it was his hip and not his hamstring that caused him to leave the pitch last Saturday... 


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Boot and shoe on December 12, 2020, 00:18:06 am
so we are up against the clown Powell .
smash him in the first minute .
body of an athlete , brain of a pea .
Speed of an antelope , bravery of a Leicester Longwool sheep


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 12, 2020, 00:41:37 am
3-0 Crewe


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on December 12, 2020, 14:01:43 pm
After Frank Large and Peter Kane both scored 2 in a 4-0 win "Swindon get Large Kaning"  ;D

That was my first ever game watching the Cobblers in September 1963. I believe it was Peter Kane's first game for us having recently been signed from todays opponents Crewe Alexandra. In those days before names on shirts and programmes printed early most thought the number 8 who scored a brace that afternoon was Bert Llewellyn and it was not until the Green'un came out that night that we realised it was the new signing who had scored.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 12, 2020, 14:07:14 pm
Good to see the ever reliable Joey Martin back in the starting 11.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on December 12, 2020, 14:18:51 pm
Looks like a back 4 to me as surely he won't play Martin at WB, probably 4 in midfield with Holmes just behind Smith up front. But at least the're options from the bench.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 12, 2020, 14:24:55 pm
What's the team?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 12, 2020, 14:31:08 pm
What's the team?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpCsl35XUAEUmcQ?format=png&name=medium)


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Teachers Pet on December 12, 2020, 14:39:35 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpCsl35XUAEUmcQ?format=png&name=medium)

More like;

Arnold

Bolger, Horsfall, Martin

Harriman, Missilou, Sowerby, Adams

Holmes, Smith, Hoskins



Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Coolcat on December 12, 2020, 14:40:10 pm
Why no Marshall???


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 12, 2020, 14:46:35 pm
Why no Marshall???

Based on last Tuesday poor show dropped but IMO should be on bench. Is he injured or unwell?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 14:46:58 pm
Why no Marshall???

Dallied on the ball last week......


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 14:49:05 pm
Anyone know what the score is with Racic? Is he injured or just dropped?

We're using two of our season long loan options on players who are not making the squad (Racic and Nuttall)


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 12, 2020, 15:04:14 pm
Holmes!!!!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 15:04:56 pm


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: NTFC Nut on December 12, 2020, 15:05:17 pm
You're indestructibleeeeee, always believe in... ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 15:05:44 pm
King Ricky of Holmes  ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 12, 2020, 15:08:58 pm
Well I never Mr Holmes!!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Clarity on December 12, 2020, 15:09:25 pm
Paid to watch door goes someone picking up eBay purchase and missed goal!! 🙄 Was it any good?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Gazman on December 12, 2020, 15:10:05 pm
Nice well worked free kick and a smart finish from Holmes
Great start


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: NTFC Nut on December 12, 2020, 15:10:34 pm
Paid to watch door goes someone picking up eBay purchase and missed goal!! 🙄 Was it any good?

There's a rewind button ;) ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Gazman on December 12, 2020, 15:12:46 pm
Paid to watch door goes someone picking up eBay purchase and missed goal!! 🙄 Was it any good?

Adams free kick in the final third out wide on the right
Instead of lumping it he played it into the path of Hoskins down the wing
Low cross that seemed to be slightly behind Holmes who was about 3 yards out but he managed to get a right side foot connection on it

He went straight to Adams to celebrate


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 12, 2020, 15:13:42 pm
There's a rewind button ;) ;D
It's december and I just learnt something new!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Baldy on December 12, 2020, 15:18:59 pm
It's december and I just learnt something new!
Well played CJ.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 12, 2020, 15:19:59 pm
We canít sit back like this for 70 more minutes. Letís try and get on the ball like the first 5 minutes!

Madness.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Gazman on December 12, 2020, 15:20:27 pm
Iím having to tolerate Crewe local cal commentary and jeez they are whingers
Seem to think they should have had 2 penalties and the ref isnít giving them anything


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 12, 2020, 15:21:31 pm
More like;

Arnold

Bolger, Horsfall, Martin

Harriman, Missilou, Sowerby, Adams

Holmes, Hoskins













Smith



Iíve changed it to reflect...


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 12, 2020, 15:23:08 pm
Well played CJ.
It's why I am where I am in life bruv.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 12, 2020, 15:25:22 pm
99% pocession to Crewe.
Starting to get a horrible feeling again.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Baldy on December 12, 2020, 15:29:31 pm
99% pocession to Crewe.
Starting to get a horrible feeling again.
I'm not


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Clarity on December 12, 2020, 15:35:45 pm
Nice well worked free kick and a smart finish from Holmes
Great start
Thanks


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 15:42:59 pm
Bookings so far for Harriman (timewasting) and for Bolger (foul). The Bolger one is significant as that's his fifth of the season and he will be suspended for the next game at Oxford on Tuesday night.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 12, 2020, 15:45:31 pm
Bottom 3 clubs all winning as well.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Clarity on December 12, 2020, 15:47:05 pm
This is exactly like the Fleetwood game. Iíll take the result if it stays this way but it ainít great viewing


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 15:49:18 pm
1-0 H-T

We have had 25% possession in this one!! Crewe 9 shots but none of them on target.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 15:50:24 pm
24% possession, pathetic to watch


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on December 12, 2020, 15:52:21 pm
Good goal and good defending, but we can't expect to defend for another 45 mins and not concede. I just can't undestand why KC thinks we'll keep winning this way. I don't mind a defensive mindset. Crewe are clearly a neat side on the ball and find space easily, so keeping our shape is important, but a few passes out of defence, please!!! That way we can relieve the pressure and from time to time actually attack ourselves.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: NTFC Nut on December 12, 2020, 15:53:46 pm
If I were a neutral I'd be desperate to see us lose this. Negative crap, against a team trying to actually play some decent football.

But I'm not a neutral, so...**** Crewe, let's have another 45 mins of s**thousery please ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 12, 2020, 15:55:00 pm
Up to 14th in the table HT, two wins behind Donny in 6th.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Coolcat on December 12, 2020, 15:59:52 pm
If I were a neutral I'd be desperate to see us lose this. Negative crap, against a team trying to actually play some decent football.

But I'm not a neutral, so...**** Crewe, let's have another 45 mins of s**thousery please ;D
First ten minutes, they didn't even get into our half!
C'mon Cobblers...faith!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 12, 2020, 16:01:49 pm
We're going to keep on playing it for as long as it keeps on working, unfortunately. The distibution from the keeper isn't helping.

As someone just said, we actually passed it about a bit until we scored, it's not like it's impossible to do.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 16:07:07 pm
Love the way Toggle Tim just **** down Jake Sharp mid sentence just to waffle on about nothing 😂


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 12, 2020, 16:11:43 pm
Love the way Toggle Tim just **** down Jake Sharp mid sentence just to waffle on about nothing 😂
hes the greatest


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Baldy on December 12, 2020, 16:12:16 pm
Sack 'em all!!!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 12, 2020, 16:12:24 pm
Curle out!!!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: NTFC Nut on December 12, 2020, 16:12:48 pm
Inevitable


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: WasRambo on December 12, 2020, 16:13:01 pm
here we go....


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 12, 2020, 16:13:20 pm
We'll end up losing now. Same old shyte


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 16:14:03 pm
Really poor defending from Harriman and lazy from Adams.
What the fcuk do you expect 24% possession.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Shoemaker on December 12, 2020, 16:16:24 pm
If we sign some league one quality in January we could aim for 30%


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:16:33 pm
Unfortunately defending far too deep again and just waiting for them to create an ideal opprtunity, fear we will go in to lose but a point would be a good result


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 12, 2020, 16:20:27 pm
Upto 25% now..


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 12, 2020, 16:22:17 pm
Holmes Adam's off and no Marshall to bring on?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 16:22:51 pm
Lazy Lazy defending.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:23:50 pm
Holmes off Watson on.......Adams off Chucks on......

Odds on Watson picking up a booking to see him banned on Tuesday night too.....?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: NTFC Nut on December 12, 2020, 16:24:05 pm
Now we have no creative players on the pitch at all. Super.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 16:24:59 pm
Curl really is clueless ! Why take off both your playmakers?
He just wants players who run a lot and can kick it up in the air.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Shoemaker on December 12, 2020, 16:27:06 pm
Come on cobblers
Letís show them some of our free flowing attacking prowess.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 16:27:11 pm
Toggle thinks itís an even contest  ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:29:03 pm
A couple of ex-Cobblers on the scoresheets today.... Collins has hit a hat-trick for Luton, Nat Wedderburn (remember him?) has scored for Dumbarton in the third tier of Scottish football.

Martin sent off!!!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: WasRambo on December 12, 2020, 16:29:59 pm
Martin is a liability. How is he even picked


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 16:30:12 pm
Utter w@nkers


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Shoemaker on December 12, 2020, 16:30:22 pm
A couple of ex-Cobblers on the scoresheets today.... Collins has hit a hat-trick for Luton, Nat Wedderburn (remember him?) has scored for Dumbarton in the third tier of Scottish football.

Martin sent off!!!
::) :o
I hope this wonít cause us to adopt a negative mindset


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 12, 2020, 16:31:01 pm
Now we have no creative players on the pitch at all. Super.
We still have super Sam, the KC's answer to everything  ::)


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 16:31:23 pm
Martin is a liability. How is he even picked
Mr Curle.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:31:40 pm
Martin is a liability. How is he even picked

God knows, hardly covers himself in glory when he gets his chance does he?

That was a second booking, it was him who got the card after 26 minutes for timewasting......

Not many defenders left to pick from on Tuesday now!!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: NTFC Nut on December 12, 2020, 16:33:21 pm
Judging by the strength of Martin's tackle and then the shock on his face when the red came out, I think we can only assume he had forgotten that he'd already been booked. What an absolute liability he has been this season.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:33:34 pm
God knows, hardly covers himself in glory when he gets his chance does he?

That was a second booking, it was him who got the card after 26 minutes for timewasting......

Not many defenders left to pick from on Tuesday now!!

Actually that was an appalling decision by both linesman and ref. Martin was hacked from behind which forced him to knock into the Crewe player. No shadow of a doubt that it should have been a yellow for THEIR player


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:33:51 pm
Crewe hit the post.....

Max Dyche comes on for Missilou to shore things up at the back!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 16:37:52 pm
Thank fook .......THE SEAL!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:37:59 pm
Slippery Seal on for Smith


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 12, 2020, 16:39:49 pm
Definitely building for a Crewe winner and single digit possession in the last 10 mins. It'd be interesting to see the replay again, as it did seem like a fair red, but there was a Crewe player tight in behind him and he was absolutely fuming about the decision.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: sxcobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:45:32 pm
The only positive with Martin is at least he will be suspended......never ever let him wear a Cobblers shirt again....but I've said that several times before.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:49:14 pm
More ex-Cobblers scorers.....Olayinka for Southend, Toney for Brentford and Hughes own goal for Wigan against Accrington.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 12, 2020, 16:52:53 pm
2-1 pathetic again


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 12, 2020, 16:53:23 pm
Thats fukced it.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Dr Feelgood on December 12, 2020, 16:53:36 pm
Curles gotta go. We are awful..


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:53:41 pm
Surprise surprise


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: WasRambo on December 12, 2020, 16:54:01 pm
Joke


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Baldy on December 12, 2020, 16:54:08 pm
**** **** **** wank!!!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 16:54:42 pm
CURLE OUT.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 12, 2020, 16:55:05 pm
That's what you'll get 9 times out of ten trying to be clever sitting back playing that way. We're not good enough.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: sxcobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:55:38 pm
This is without doubt the worst Cobblers team to follow in all my life !

The inevitable happens.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:55:56 pm
Curles gotta go. We are awful..

The number of people happy watching our "style" of play is dwindling......


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: WasRambo on December 12, 2020, 16:56:17 pm
Just not enough quality in this squad and unfortunately a seemingly unimaginative manager....

We are probably where we deserve to be, just below average


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: NTFC Nut on December 12, 2020, 16:57:16 pm
We fully deserved that. The only person I feel slightly sorry for is Steve Arnold.

Hopefully this is the last we'll see of Joe Martin. Think I'd rather have Sean Dyche's 14 year old daughter at centre half, never mind his 17 year old son.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 12, 2020, 16:58:21 pm
Good to see the ever reliable Joey Martin back in the starting 11.

I saw that coming


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 12, 2020, 16:58:42 pm
We canít sit back like this for 70 more minutes. Letís try and get on the ball like the first 5 minutes!

Madness.


I also saw that coming


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: sxcobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:58:55 pm
2 points off the drop zone with the bottom teams finding form.

What positives will Curley take from that ?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:59:18 pm
As if we got beat by Dale Wintle


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 12, 2020, 16:59:44 pm
Take a lead and then sit back. When will we learn? We aren't good enough to do that, all it does is let the other team build up a head of steam so when the inevitable happens and they equalise, they are firmly in their stride and we aren't.

Then Martin got his marching orders and we got exactly what we deserved from the game.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 16:59:58 pm
2 points off the drop zone with the bottom teams finding form.

What positives will Curley take from that ?

Its always hard to play against with 10 men


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 12, 2020, 17:00:44 pm
The only positive with Martin is at least he will be suspended......never ever let him wear a Cobblers shirt again....but I've said that several times before.

Thought he did ok and certainly does not deserve the vitriolic abuse you offer. Couldn't tell from iFollow if it was red card.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 12, 2020, 17:01:41 pm
Max Dyche played well as did Arnie.
Shocking defending from Harriman for their first, but the tactics FFS, Curle is really clueless and delivers utter dross in terms of entertainment.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on December 12, 2020, 17:02:04 pm
Inevitable, it should have been more convincing, they had enough chances to win it 4 or 5-1. Didnít look like a booking for Martin imo. As has been stated prev, if we continue to play like that we will lose 8/9 times out of 10


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 12, 2020, 17:02:12 pm
I also saw that coming
Yeah, but you got Mr fcuking Mysterious Curle wrong didnt you? ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: WasRambo on December 12, 2020, 17:02:30 pm
If I'm honest, though I hope for better, I don't really expect it. We are Northampton Town, your bog standard bottom two tier club.

Until we find a goose to lay a golden egg.... this is it. I've seen us build two decent teams in the last 35 years, both times we romped the league. Cue instant dismantling and plop, back down we go again.

The only people with any desire for continued success are us, the fans


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Athena on December 12, 2020, 17:02:46 pm
First away game I've watched on ifollow. Dreadful absolutely dreadful and not for the first time I believe.  I'm not one to call for managers head, but I'm beginning to feel that way. That sort of performance, tactics, ability, and approach has to be questioned and indeed people held to account for it and I'm sorry to say that starts with KC.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on December 12, 2020, 17:04:27 pm
We fully deserved that. The only person I feel slightly sorry for is Steve Arnold.

Hopefully this is the last we'll see of Joe Martin. Think I'd rather have Sean Dyche's 14 year old daughter at centre half, never mind his 17 year old son.

We were poor and deserved to lose. I agree with all the comments here about the suicidal policy of sitting back on a lead. However, Joe Martin played well today and has been decent THIS season as a left sided centre back (definitely not as left back). He DEFINITELY shouldn't have been sent off as he was fouled from behind causing him to crash into their player. Should have been a yellow for their player. That's why he complained so bitterly after the sending off. Very poor decision. As for Max Dyche, he was excellent when he came on.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: NTFC Nut on December 12, 2020, 17:05:12 pm
If I'm honest, though I hope for better, I don't really expect it. We are Northampton Town, your bog standard bottom two tier club.

Until we find a goose to lay a golden egg.... this is it. I've seen us build two decent teams in the last 35 years, both times we romped the league. Cue instant dismantling and plop, back down we go again.

The only people with any desire for continued success are us, the fans


I would take that point entirely if we weren't producing this s***e against the likes of Crewe, Accrington, Bristol Rovers etc, who also fall firmly within the category you just described. Just because we're a bog-standard League One / Two club doesn't mean we should accept anti-football, there's no reason why we can't have a go at other similar sized clubs.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 12, 2020, 17:08:40 pm
It's hard to criticise after the red, as it's obviously going to be a difficult after that, but there's no excuse for what happened before that point.

Defensive problems as well then, Martin and Bolger both suspended for the next game, does Racic have to be recalled or will he just role the dice on Dyche making the step up.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: NTFC Nut on December 12, 2020, 17:17:04 pm
We were poor and deserved to lose. I agree with all the comments here about the suicidal policy of sitting back on a lead. However, Joe Martin played well today and has been decent THIS season as a left sided centre back (definitely not as left back). He DEFINITELY shouldn't have been sent off as he was fouled from behind causing him to crash into their player. Should have been a yellow for their player. That's why he complained so bitterly after the sending off. Very poor decision. As for Max Dyche, he was excellent when he came on.

Sorry but Martin has already started to dive in to that tackle before he gets the shove in the back - the shove maybe causes his studs to go higher than they otherwise would have done, but still a mistimed, high challenge and one that if it were made on our player, you'd be screaming for at least a yellow.

I'm also not sure where this perception has come from on here that he's played well this season. I can remember one game where he put a really good performance in and actually helped us get some points, which was at Shrewsbury. At Bristol Rovers, Plymouth, Oxford City and again today, he's had shockers. After today's showing I'd rather see more of Dyche.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: the grumpy old man on December 12, 2020, 17:20:36 pm
If he's fit then Racic surely has to play against Oxford.  otherwise there's no point in him being here. As for Martin he got the red for a bloody stupid yellow card for time wasting in the 26th minute.

That's the last away game I shall watch, I can't go through that game after game. I know the home games are the same but at least they are free.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 12, 2020, 17:22:03 pm
Vitriolic abuse? Do yourself a favour and shut up old man!

Like the proverbial bad penny, you turn up after a contentious defeat. You and your damned agenda; its about time you respected counter opinions. Instead you come out with personal abusive comments. My personal opinion is that you are not a bona fide Cobblers supporter who cant wait to see the demise of the Club Management and probably the demise of the club. Good riddance


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 17:27:21 pm
Like the proverbial bad penny, you turn up after a contentious defeat. You and your damned agenda; its about time you respected counter opinions. Instead you come out with personal abusive comments. My personal opinion is that you are not a bona fide Cobblers supporter who cant wait to see the demise of the Club Management and probably the demise of the club. Good riddance

Contentious defeat? What in that the goal came so late on? How about the three saves Arnold made or the two occasions when they hit the woodwork? A deserved defeat would be more of an apt description.

No agenda...... you are right in that I can't wait to see the demise of the Club management, the single most boring Manager (in my opinion) in my time watching the Cobblers.

As for the chief benefactor? Who is he? And the Chairman full of promises but short on delivery whilst marooned in the US.....

I respect most counter opinions.....just not yours!! I don't give a flying **** what your personal opinion of me is........sorry to disappoint!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 12, 2020, 17:34:37 pm
I respect most counter opinions.....just not yours!! I don't give a flying **** what your personal opinion of me is........sorry to disappoint!
If that was me, I would be happy to disappoint.





Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on December 12, 2020, 17:44:45 pm
Everbrite, there was nothing contentious about the defeat, they could have and should have had many more. Suggest you look up the definition of the word Ďcontentiousí. What was slightly debatable was Martinís sending off but we were already on the back foot.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 12, 2020, 17:45:10 pm
its about time you respected counter opinions
Said without a gram of self awareness


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 12, 2020, 17:48:05 pm
Contentious defeat? What in that the goal came so late on? How about the three saves Arnold made or the two occasions when they hit the woodwork? A deserved defeat would be more of an apt description.

No agenda...... you are right in that I can't wait to see the demise of the Club management, the single most boring Manager (in my opinion) in my time watching the Cobblers.

As for the chief benefactor? Who is he? And the Chairman full of promises but short on delivery whilst marooned in the US.....

I respect most counter opinions.....just not yours!! I don't give a flying **** what your personal opinion of me is........sorry to disappoint!

Not disappointed at all; so apologies for disappointing you::). Anybody who challenges your misplaced abusive comments is subject to the same personal abuse. You seem to think; judging by recent comments that you speak for the majority of Cobblers' support but far from it.  Your worst nightmare is that KC keeps us in League 1 which to the majority of fans is the aim. Not for you tho' :'(


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Shoemaker on December 12, 2020, 17:52:55 pm


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on December 12, 2020, 17:54:28 pm
Sorry but Martin has already started to dive in to that tackle before he gets the shove in the back - the shove maybe causes his studs to go higher than they otherwise would have done, but still a mistimed, high challenge and one that if it were made on our player, you'd be screaming for at least a yellow.

Don't know what you're talking about here. I'm referring to him being scythed down from behind, not shoved in the back. It's on ifollow. Just watch it and you'll see.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 12, 2020, 18:10:46 pm
Everbrite, there was nothing contentious about the defeat, they could have and should have had many more. Suggest you look up the definition of the word Ďcontentiousí. What was slightly debatable was Martinís sending off but we were already on the back foot.

Contentious :

adjective

causing or likely to cause an argument; controversial.
"a contentious issue".

Example : the sending off of Martin! Some supporters on here query it.

I used the adjective to describe the reaction on here! Some of it OTT don't you think!

ps Another thing I thought that from a defensive point of view they played well until the 94th.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Winslow Lee on December 12, 2020, 18:11:57 pm
Iím not convinced thereís a single player weíve signed since getting promotion that Iíd be disappointed if they left.



Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 12, 2020, 18:19:55 pm
Iím not convinced thereís a single player weíve signed since getting promotion that Iíd be disappointed if they left.



Not even the SEAL!?

Korboa has been good also...


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 18:21:28 pm
Not disappointed at all; so apologies for disappointing you::). Anybody who challenges your misplaced (in your opinion) abusive (in your opinion) comments is subject to the same personal abuse (No, I just save that for you). You seem to think; judging by recent comments that you speak for the majority of Cobblers' support (I think you're getting me mixed up with you) but far from it.  Your worst nightmare(my worst nightmare? Seriously? You have no f*cking idea) is that KC keeps us in League 1 which to the majority of fans (is it? The majority of fans? Says who? Or is this your opinion too?) is the aim. Not for you tho' :'(


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 12, 2020, 18:22:12 pm
The defeat was expected. The manner of the defeat was also expected. Parking the bus for 80 minutes was expected.

Getting booked for time wasting after 20 minutes though!?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 18:26:28 pm
Not even the SEAL!?

Korboa has been good also...

Seal? With his cameo appearances off the bench? And now Korboa who doesn't make the matchday 18?

Poor poor recruitment (in my opinion), but recruitment of players in the mould that Curle wants to have in his squad, and that's the problem (in my opinion)


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 12, 2020, 18:32:46 pm
Seal? With his cameo appearances off the bench? And now Korboa who doesn't make the matchday 18?

Poor poor recruitment (in my opinion), but recruitment of players in the mould that Curle wants to have in his squad, and that's the problem (in my opinion)

But they have the right character. Thatís all we need to survive in this league.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: SadOldGit on December 12, 2020, 18:35:45 pm
Completely expected performance but still, somehow, disappointed. That is our life under Curle. How does he enjoy a job that produces such negativity?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 18:37:01 pm
But they have the right character. Thatís all we need to survive in this league.

Do they buy into the vision? Do they know their roles? Do they have the right DNA? Are they part of the fabric?

If the answer to all those is yes then we'll be fine i'm sure.......


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: west stand oap on December 12, 2020, 18:42:13 pm
Oh dear! - No change at Crewe.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: observer1 on December 12, 2020, 19:03:12 pm
Never thought the day would come that I find myself envious of Crewe fans, but watching the creativity and smart thinking from their forwards those last 20 minutes or so in particular as they burst forward with purpose time and time again certainly conjured those feelings. They really did move the ball well and were unlucky not to score a few more goals on the day. I can't remember the last time we battered an opposition like that, yet we seem to suffer spells like that nearly every week.

Ultimately today's defeat comes down to the naivety of the manager. Our plan A (B, C & D) of hoof the ball to Smith doesn't work 90% of the time but it's still always the preferred option no matter what, regardless of the opposition or Smith's form. Even goals and other events during the match don't seem to change Keith's thinking. We're 1-0 up away at a dangerous Crewe side early in the match and yet we don't think to change it and try and keep the ball for a bit, get a passing game going?

No, instead we have to suffer embarrassingly slow goal kicks from Arnold that eventually go out for another kick at the other end half the time. Even on the rare occasion Smith does get on the end of one of these long balls, the opposition tends to win the ball back pretty much immediately. All the while they are growing in confidence as they see how one dimensional we are as a team, and the pressure just builds and builds until eventually we make the inevitable mistake and someone's left totally unmarked to convert the predictable equaliser.

The rights and wrongs of the Joe Martin red card can be debated but what's the point? The same thing happened only a few weeks ago. He shouldn't be starting matches at this level and only is because of poor business in the summer, another triumph of Keith's leadership. But in truth I think we probably would have lost anyway, the pattern of that second half had already been set and we'd likely have succumbed another way.

All in all, a thoroughly poor game of football from an NTFC perspective. Positives? Holmes getting his first goal back was lovely to see. And Hoskins did incredibly well to get back to prevent a certain goal near the end. Sadly neither of which mattered that much in the end. Thought Sowerby did quite well, one our better players for me despite not being favoured by the manager's way of playing. But yeah, pretty grim otherwise.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 12, 2020, 19:16:30 pm
Not disappointed at all; so apologies for disappointing you:Smiley. Anybody who challenges your misplaced (in your opinion) abusive (in your opinion) comments is subject to the same personal abuse (No, I just save that for you). You seem to think; judging by recent comments that you speak for the majority of Cobblers' support (I think you're getting me mixed up with you) but far from it.  Your worst nightmare(my worst nightmare? Seriously? You have no f*cking idea) is that KC keeps us in League 1 which to the majority of fans (is it? The majority of fans? Says who? Or is this your opinion too?) is the aim. Not for you tho' Cry

I do not come on here to relish a Cobblers defeat. The sending off of Martin appeared under the circumstances to be somewhat unjust and contributed to the ultimate defeat. You deny you have an agenda regarding current tactics, style and current management. Yet this is a current theme of yours almost from time immemorial; even to the extent that you preferred to just 'watching away games'! Had we won or even drawn today you would still be in front of the queue with your dismal agenda. The loss today was deserved; the better team won in the end. Even the booking of Martin for time-wasting was pointless as it was silly. Any poor Cobblers result to you is manna from heaven to further your diatribe against KC/KT.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: SadOldGit on December 12, 2020, 19:39:51 pm
Shaquille O'Neal will be beside himself over this performance.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 19:58:06 pm
I do not come on here to relish a Cobblers defeat. The sending off of Martin appeared under the circumstances to be somewhat unjust and contributed to the ultimate defeat. You deny you have an agenda regarding current tactics, style and current management. Yet this is a current theme of yours almost from time immemorial; even to the extent that you preferred to just 'watching away games'! Had we won or even drawn today you would still be in front of the queue with your dismal agenda. The loss today was deserved; the better team won in the end. Even the booking of Martin for time-wasting was pointless as it was silly. Any poor Cobblers result to you is manna from heaven to further your diatribe against KC/KT.

Yawn


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Larry on December 12, 2020, 20:23:52 pm
Never thought the day would come that I find myself envious of Crewe fans,
Even when they were in the Championship and we were in League 2?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 20:30:59 pm
Even when they were in the Championship and we were in League 2?

This is true!! They've had a production line of young talent for years, made good money, and have tried to play attractive passing football for all that time....they go up the leagues, they go down the leagues, but I bet its never as boring as it is for us right now!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 12, 2020, 20:35:51 pm
What is stupid, is that despite it being god awful football, on two occasions now it's been very close to being able to pull off completely unjustified results, against Crewe and Rochdale.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 20:38:58 pm
What is stupid, is that despite it being god awful football, on two occasions now it's been very close to being able to pull off completely unjustified results, against Crewe and Rochdale.

For those for whom it is purely a results business, they can say "we nearly held on".......

Then again, as I highlighted in the other thread, we've lost 14 of our last 24 league games, so its not like we get the results very often either!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 12, 2020, 20:42:04 pm
Well, you can certainly compare it to the start of the season, where we pressed, get pulled apart and conceded two or three goals a game. Dropping off makes us a lot more defensively stable, we just don't have an answer for what we're supposed to be doing the other 50% of the game.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Mysterious Curle on December 12, 2020, 20:44:48 pm
Any word from the boss man? Assume he is pretty happy, we were good for a point until the refs error..


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Clarity on December 12, 2020, 20:51:24 pm
I would imagine the players absolutely hate playing this way. Might not be too long before it unravels for KC


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 21:00:35 pm
Crewe starting lineup today...

Jaaskelainen     age 22
Pickering          age 21
Wintle              age 23
Lowery             age 22
Kirk                  age 22
Mandron           age 26
Finney              age 22
Lancashire        age 31
Offord               age 21
Dale                 age 22
Beckles             age 29

8 of the starting team aged 23 and under......yet they know how to play "football"


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 12, 2020, 21:05:27 pm
Can someone tell me when we played exiting football in the third decision and got positive results out of it? I'm not certain it would be this side of me being born.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: NTFC Nut on December 12, 2020, 21:15:50 pm
Can someone tell me when we played exiting football in the third decision and got positive results out of it? I'm not certain it would be this side of me being born.

We played some pretty good stuff under Gray and got a top half finish at this level.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 12, 2020, 21:20:44 pm
Can someone tell me when we played exiting football in the third decision and got positive results out of it? I'm not certain it would be this side of me being born.

Define "exciting football"...... the last successful season in the third tier was the Atkins year when we made it to the playoff final again. That was pretty exciting in itself. I didn't think the football was boring, yes it was direct, but it was committed, with 100% effort from the first whistle to the last. Many of our players were limited but they made the most of what they had and the manager played to their strengths.

The first third of the season under Wilson when we went up in 2000 wasn't too bad, then the wheels fell off around Christmas time.

This season is not like that.....a fair degree of effort is there, but nowhere near 100%, we mostly play one way and one way only....if we go ahead we sit back and defend match after match, sometimes we get lucky but the majority of the time we don't. This manager does not play to the strengths of our players, he tries to mould the players into what he wants the team to do, and woe betide anyone who doesn't comply.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 12, 2020, 22:09:55 pm
Never thought the day would come that I find myself envious of Crewe fans, but watching the creativity and smart thinking from their forwards those last 20 minutes or so in particular as they burst forward with purpose time and time again certainly conjured those feelings. They really did move the ball well and were unlucky not to score a few more goals on the day. I can't remember the last time we battered an opposition like that, yet we seem to suffer spells like that nearly every week.

Ultimately today's defeat comes down to the naivety of the manager. Our plan A (B, C & D) of hoof the ball to Smith doesn't work 90% of the time but it's still always the preferred option no matter what, regardless of the opposition or Smith's form. Even goals and other events during the match don't seem to change Keith's thinking. We're 1-0 up away at a dangerous Crewe side early in the match and yet we don't think to change it and try and keep the ball for a bit, get a passing game going?

No, instead we have to suffer embarrassingly slow goal kicks from Arnold that eventually go out for another kick at the other end half the time. Even on the rare occasion Smith does get on the end of one of these long balls, the opposition tends to win the ball back pretty much immediately. All the while they are growing in confidence as they see how one dimensional we are as a team, and the pressure just builds and builds until eventually we make the inevitable mistake and someone's left totally unmarked to convert the predictable equaliser.

The rights and wrongs of the Joe Martin red card can be debated but what's the point? The same thing happened only a few weeks ago. He shouldn't be starting matches at this level and only is because of poor business in the summer, another triumph of Keith's leadership. But in truth I think we probably would have lost anyway, the pattern of that second half had already been set and we'd likely have succumbed another way.

All in all, a thoroughly poor game of football from an NTFC perspective. Positives? Holmes getting his first goal back was lovely to see. And Hoskins did incredibly well to get back to prevent a certain goal near the end. Sadly neither of which mattered that much in the end. Thought Sowerby did quite well, one our better players for me despite not being favoured by the manager's way of playing. But yeah, pretty grim otherwise.

Matter of fact comments with at least a few positive observations. Still readable compared with some of the comments on here! Agree on Sowerby and Hoskins who is often vilified just because he is picked! Be interesting to read your comments when we do win well.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 12, 2020, 23:01:21 pm
Same old same old, and Iím not talking about the team or management either? Bad run of performances over a couple of months and the supporters go berserk and its sack the manager, the chairman and anyone with a pulse? Just 17 league games ago we produced some of the best results I have experienced as a supporter. Since then we have lost some of our best players and had some of our recruitment strategy affected by what I believe was a sensible approach to Covid? The net result is that we have lost just over half our league games since promotion and some of the performances have been dour. That being said what doesnít work is a hire and fire em kamikaze approach to running a football club? History has proved time and time again that firing a management team inevitably leads to a spiralling decline until the lottery of football management seemingly provides a turn in fortunes? What enables me to justify this assumption? Where is Rob Page now, what do you think is the average Orient supporters opinion of Justin Edinburgh? Yet their demise was met with almost universal approval on here, how do you explain that? Even Chris Wilder suffered a fairly rough ride at some points and demands for his head? With hindsight how valid an opinion was that? So whatís the answer, some of the managers in our history were clearly out of their depth, yet sacking a manager is often a poor decision that more often than not results in the exact opposite desired affect? The problem is compounded by the sheer cost of change due to paying off contracts and allowing budget for a change in personnel. Imagine for a moment if we had kept Rob Page, stuck it out and used all that money to develop the squad, is it possible that the outcome would have eventually been different? Itís a well worn phrase to say that football is an entertainment business and an underperforming side producing boring performances also affects the club, so I do get it? What I am proposing is that change more often than not doesnít work and also has a significant and long term detrimental effect on the club only to see the victim sometimes go on and achieve success elsewhere? Therefore perhaps patience and an acceptance that there will be peaks and troughs in performances and results at this level whilst understanding that to fire a manager is a massive risk that often fails to improve matters and also has a long term consequence for the club. 17 league games and a short time ago Keith Curle got our club promoted. He has been forced to remould the squad on a very restricted budget for what I believe is a reasonable financial strategy? I personally believe Keith Curle deserves time, understanding and support rather than calls for his head. My view is that itís unreasonable to demand otherwise, given the circumstances and time involved itís neither fair or likely to lead to success and history bares this out? My opinion is that Keith Curle has proved he can do the job, so give him a reasonable chance to do it? Even if we get relegated I would stick with him. Why, because his track record and history proves he has more of of a chance of getting us back up than the next bloke without the cost? Not a single post or opinion on here currently offers an even half reasonable argument that anything else is likely to improve our fortunes? So I for one hope Kelvin Thomas breaks with habit and holds his nerve. Sorry everyone, I know Iíll get slaughtered by the majority but I believe itís the only logical way forward for us?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 12, 2020, 23:23:25 pm

................................................. So I for one hope Kelvin Thomas breaks with habit and holds his nerve. Sorry everyone, I know Iíll get slaughtered by the majority but I believe itís the only logical way forward for us?

I for one congratulate you on your brave comments. If you believe you are in the minority think again. You might be with a few selfish doomster 'fans' but the majority will largely support your views. Such realistic views.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on December 12, 2020, 23:56:07 pm
Same old same old ........So I for one hope Kelvin Thomas breaks with habit and holds his nerve. Sorry everyone, I know Iíll get slaughtered by the majority but I believe itís the only logical way forward for us?

+1. Fabulous post - although it might have been further improved by use of a paragraph stop or three.

Iím new to posting on this forum but Iíve been appalled by the pathetic childlike posts of some of the more ďseniorĒ contributors. Rather like Pavlovís dog, as soon as we lose a game we get a knee jerk cacophony of cries for sackings. Itís absolutely pathetic and is painful to read for most.

We are all aware of the teams short comings but what I saw today was a very determined defensive performance against a better team (yes, it happens!!). Can we just all grow up a bit?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Dan on December 13, 2020, 00:10:51 am
Iíll say this in response. If we play as pathetically negative as we did today regularly for the rest of the season, the financial issue Kelvin will have is how many season ticket holders have not renewed. He cannot stick with this guy in charge next year.

Today was an embarrassment and we have rightly been panned on social media and forums by Crewe fans and their club.



Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on December 13, 2020, 00:29:23 am
Iíll say this in response. If we play as pathetically negative as we did today regularly for the rest of the season, the financial issue Kelvin will have is how many season ticket holders have not renewed. He cannot stick with this guy in charge next year.

Today was an embarrassment and we have rightly been panned on social media and forums by Crewe fans and their club.


I donít totally disagree Dan. Although personally I canít see me abandoning my team so easily but I do understand why some might.
That said, Iíve seen enough over the last 2 years to give KC a chance to sort things out - at least until the end of the season. If he does keep us up then, and this wonít be popular with the more vociferous posters on here, then an objective has been achieved!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on December 13, 2020, 00:32:28 am
Oops. Deleted the ďquoteĒ marks - sorry!
I am new to posting so hopefully everyone will be more patient with my mistakes than we are with KCís??


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Clarity on December 13, 2020, 10:32:42 am
I would imagine the players absolutely hate playing this way. Might not be too long before it unravels for KC
Just listened to the Ricky Holmes interview after the game, I think I had a valid point yesterday


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 13, 2020, 11:01:40 am
Oops. Deleted the ďquoteĒ marks - sorry!
I am new to posting so hopefully everyone will be more patient with my mistakes than we are with KCís??
Your ďnewĒ to posting are you?  ;D Your account was registered in 2013, was this because you were worried that someone else would take the name of a peadophile ?
Just asking.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 13, 2020, 11:23:34 am
Just listened to the Ricky Holmes interview after the game, I think I had a valid point yesterday

Clarity
I didnít hear it so can you please  give more details?
Thank you.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Travelaway on December 13, 2020, 11:47:46 am
Clarity
I didnít hear it so can you please  give more details?
Thank you.

Man Up...says in the C+E


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 12:13:07 pm
Are there any other angles on the second yellow foul or is everyone making judgement on the head on camera view which gives no definitive aspect?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 12:16:54 pm
Are there any other angles on the second yellow foul or is everyone making judgement on the head on camera view which gives no definitive aspect?
Iím far more interested in your opinion on it DC?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 12:24:32 pm
I’m far more interested in your opinion on it DC?

Inconclusive from the angle we have, but the Assistant Referee who had a much better angle than either the referee or us was convinced and flagged immediately. If I was the referee, I would have gone with his decision 100%.  ;)


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 12:25:34 pm
Just listened to the Ricky Holmes interview after the game, I think I had a valid point yesterday

Ricky Holmes is a star, and not just on the pitch. He's one of the only players when interviewed who doesn't worry about "saying the right thing" (Nicky Adams is another). He points out exactly what we've been saying here - we shouldn't have sat back after taking the lead and that we're not often going to be able to win games if we let teams "batter" us, which is how he (correctly) describes what Crewe did to us yesterday. He also says the sending off didn't change the result as we were already being overwhelmed by Crewe. Refreshing to see a player just say it how it is.

It's a shame Timmy didn't ask KC the question about why the team sits back on a lead, rather than Ricky Holmes.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 12:34:36 pm
Inconclusive from the angle we have, but the Assistant Referee who had a much better angle than either the referee or us was convinced and flagged immediately. If I was the referee, I would have gone with his decision 100%.  ;)
Good enough for me, red it is!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 13, 2020, 12:40:44 pm
It was a sending off.... because the official sent him off.
I really donít get the debate.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: bungle on December 13, 2020, 12:49:46 pm
Class interview from a class act.

I think what needs to happen is for Curle to evolve the team into a genuine counter-attacking threat. I think we have to accept that most teams in this division are going to have the majority of possession against us - we're not going to magically become a tika taka team overnight.

What is achievable though, is for us to be a compact, high-pressing Leicester-style outfit with pace to hurt teams on the counter-attack. Curle needs to sort out the wing-back positions so that we have pace on the flanks: Marshall and Mills (when he returns) are probably our best bet.

I also think we missed Sheehan and McWilliams yesterday.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 12:59:24 pm
It was a sending off.... because the official sent him off.
I really don’t get the debate.

That's what I say whether umpiring or refereeing, look in the scorebook or on the results sheet, whatever is there is what it is.  8)


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: west stand oap on December 13, 2020, 13:00:50 pm
I did not see the game but listened to Radio N'pton and have seen the brief lowlights. Tim and Martin Smith agreed that Crewe were good value for the win. Maybe if we had kept 11 men on the pitch we may have held on for an undeserved point. Both Martin's yellow cards appear to be contentious, the first as KC says Harriman was the player standing over the ball waiting to take the free kick (I looked at the BBC site at half time and they had Harriman as being booked so I assumed Tim had got it wrong). For the second Martin Smith thought that it was our free kick and their player was going to be booked and could not believe the sending off. He also thought Martin was having a good game up to that point and I am happier taking his opinion over the anti-Martin posts on here.
It is disappointing that we appreared to resort time wasting midway through the first half and surprising that Arnold was also not cautioned. I can understand the substitutions, when Adams starts I don't think you are going to see him play 90 minutes now. Finally one bright note was the performance of young Max Dyche, well done lad.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 13:01:47 pm
Class interview from a class act.

I think what needs to happen is for Curle to evolve the team into a genuine counter-attacking threat. I think we have to accept that most teams in this division are going to have the majority of possession against us - we're not going to magically become a tika taka team overnight.

What is achievable though, is for us to be a compact, high-pressing Leicester-style outfit with pace to hurt teams on the counter-attack. Curle needs to sort out the wing-back positions so that we have pace on the flanks: Marshall and Mills (when he returns) are probably our best bet.

I also think we missed Sheehan and McWilliams yesterday.
Very sagacious Bungle. Frankly GPCs pre match posts and your post match posts are the hands down must reads on the forum.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Carton Lid on December 13, 2020, 13:10:47 pm
I think the problem a lot of people have with KC is that he doesn't seem to want our players to play football. We have, in the recent past, pulled out results when KC has seemed to be in a "difficult" position, after the 1st leg against Cheltenham and a few weeks ago at Burton but each time it was done by playing a bit of football, not just hoofing, But KC then reverts back to type and we're back with the dire "sit back and hope for a point" football.
   I also think why we get so many cards is down to the fact that the football is so dire, that the refs think that we are always trying to stop the opposition one way or another, we certainly get cards for things that other, perceived "footballing teams" get away with.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Larry on December 13, 2020, 14:01:49 pm
It was a sending off.... because the official sent him off.
I really donít get the debate.

It's the point of unofficial message boards. We are not going to change the sending off, nor are we going to change the result or tactics by KC. That doesn't stop us, including you, giving an opinion on the game.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 13, 2020, 14:08:34 pm
I think the problem a lot of people have with KC is that he doesn't seem to want our players to play football. We have, in the recent past, pulled out results when KC has seemed to be in a "difficult" position, after the 1st leg against Cheltenham and a few weeks ago at Burton but each time it was done by playing a bit of football, not just hoofing, But KC then reverts back to type and we're back with the dire "sit back and hope for a point" football.
   I also think why we get so many cards is down to the fact that the football is so dire, that the refs think that we are always trying to stop the opposition one way or another, we certainly get cards for things that other, perceived "footballing teams" get away with.
I agree with this we as a team are known as an anti football stop the opposition team, Curlio openly admits such.
From what Iíve seen refs favour the footballing team and this is born out by the sheer number of free kicks we give away, which has to be the highest in the league?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 13, 2020, 14:22:22 pm
Ricky Holmes is a star, and not just on the pitch. He's one of the only players when interviewed who doesn't worry about "saying the right thing" (Nicky Adams is another). He points out exactly what we've been saying here - we shouldn't have sat back after taking the lead and that we're not often going to be able to win games if we let teams "batter" us, which is how he (correctly) describes what Crewe did to us yesterday. He also says the sending off didn't change the result as we were already being overwhelmed by Crewe. Refreshing to see a player just say it how it is.

It's a shame Timmy didn't ask KC the question about why the team sits back on a lead, rather than Ricky Holmes.

To me it is mystery why the team sits back so much. To me it canít entirely based on KC tactical instructions! On 0-1 away against a team capable of scoring goals. Give me a break! 3-0 perhaps? Is it just the team leadership as no Goode remember!
At the moment we just have not got the players to play a dangerous counter attack. We can do it like the admirable goal yesterday but not on a consistent basis and that was evident yesterday. Sowerby is showing signs he can provide the quality as is Holmes. I believe we are not far off , if we can garner a further 2/3 pts by Xmas and then recruit carefully in Jan might be happy!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 13, 2020, 15:30:04 pm

Inconclusive from the angle we have, but the Assistant Referee who had a much better angle than either the referee or us was convinced and flagged immediately. If I was the referee, I would have gone with his decision 100%.  ;)
And the idea that he was protesting as much as he did because he knew he was innocent doesnt wash with me. Knew he was guilty more like but wanted to convince otherwise.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 13, 2020, 15:37:41 pm
Class interview from a class act.

I think what needs to happen is for Curle to evolve the team into a genuine counter-attacking threat. I think we have to accept that most teams in this division are going to have the majority of possession against us - we're not going to magically become a tika taka team overnight.

What is achievable though, is for us to be a compact, high-pressing Leicester-style outfit with pace to hurt teams on the counter-attack. Curle needs to sort out the wing-back positions so that we have pace on the flanks: Marshall and Mills (when he returns) are probably our best bet.

I also think we missed Sheehan and McWilliams yesterday.
Didnt hear it but how about KT bins Curle and puts Ricky and Alan in joint charge as player managers?
Would have to offer both a new contract from Xmas but still might end up saving himself a few quid.
Both come across as articulate intelligent men to me, isnt Sheehan doing his badges, didnt Ricky get himself a degree? He must be the best man motivator we have in the squad in any event.
I can see them quickly becoming our next Wilder and Knill.



Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Shoemaker on December 13, 2020, 15:55:26 pm
Iíd give the job to Sam Hoskins


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Winslow Lee on December 13, 2020, 15:58:32 pm
I believe we are not far off , if we can garner a further 2/3 pts by Xmas and then recruit carefully in Jan might be happy!

I really love the optimism, but for me our current position and points total massively flatter us and we look so far out of our depth. Very early on my feeling was we would go down, quite possibly finishing bottom. Fair play to the players for some gutsy performances to pick up some results but thatís what itís been guts as opposed to any quality. Letís hope you are right and we climb the table as that would be a far more enjoyable next year.




Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 13, 2020, 16:02:24 pm
Iíd give the job to Sam Hoskins
Makes sense.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 13, 2020, 16:03:25 pm
Iíd give the job to Sam Hoskins
You're right!
Sam Hoskins aka 42.
Why doesn't KC insist he wear that number?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Coolcat on December 13, 2020, 16:57:28 pm
Very sagacious Bungle. Frankly GPCs pre match posts and your post match posts are the hands down must reads on the forum.
Cue the Jaws music...Evers is heading your way!  ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 13, 2020, 17:28:07 pm
Cue the Jaws music...Evers is heading your way!  ;D

Why great one? Have already posted my admiration of his latest message👍


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Saint Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 17:35:05 pm
Didnt hear it but how about KT bins Curle and puts Ricky and Alan in joint charge as player managers?
Would have to offer both a new contract from Xmas but still might end up saving himself a few quid.
Both come across as articulate intelligent men to me, isnt Sheehan doing his badges, didnt Ricky get himself a degree? He must be the best man motivator we have in the squad in any event.
I can see them quickly becoming our next Wilder and Knill.


The most sensible suggestion on here for a long time. Ricky spoke with a lot of passion and didn't resort to all the same clichťs that Curle trots out in every interview. I think we have a fairly honest group of players, and with a couple of exceptions, have enough about them to make a fist of staying up. With Curle continuing to pull the strings, however, we are doomed. I'm sure many thought this even at the end of last season a few months ago, but were afraid to say too much after a great couple of performances.    


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 13, 2020, 18:53:06 pm
I did not see the game but listened to Radio N'pton and have seen the brief lowlights. Tim and Martin Smith agreed that Crewe were good value for the win. Maybe if we had kept 11 men on the pitch we may have held on for an undeserved point. Both Martin's yellow cards appear to be contentious, the first as KC says Harriman was the player standing over the ball waiting to take the free kick (I looked at the BBC site at half time and they had Harriman as being booked so I assumed Tim had got it wrong). For the second Martin Smith thought that it was our free kick and their player was going to be booked and could not believe the sending off. He also thought Martin was having a good game up to that point and I am happier taking his opinion over the anti-Martin posts on here.
It is disappointing that we appreared to resort time wasting midway through the first half and surprising that Arnold was also not cautioned. I can understand the substitutions, when Adams starts I don't think you are going to see him play 90 minutes now. Finally one bright note was the performance of young Max Dyche, well done lad.

Agree with you on the second Martin Booking and Martin Smith's comments are interesting if only because he was commentating. I cannot recall the Ref consulting the Linesman but if he did then his decision was maybe correct.
The indirect involvement of their 2 player is a puzzle.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: SadOldGit on December 13, 2020, 19:36:30 pm
Agree with you on the second Martin Booking and Martin Smith's comments are interesting if only because he was commentating. I cannot recall the Ref consulting the Linesman but if he did then his decision was maybe correct.
The indirect involvement of their 2 player is a puzzle.

Classic!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on December 13, 2020, 22:23:03 pm
Your ďnewĒ to posting are you?  ;D Your account was registered in 2013, was this because you were worried that someone else would take the name of a peadophile ?
Just asking.

Jim Hall a peadophile!!! What a disgusting and libellous thing to say! Hopefully youíll be hearing from someoneís solicitor soon?!
PS I really got to you didnít I Manny? Bless.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on December 13, 2020, 22:37:06 pm
With 11 men we would have come away with a creditable battling draw against a better team and there would only be the few usual suspects baying for blood!
Whether the 2 yellow cards were deserved or not it was unfortunate and coupled with the red card in the Donny game, which I believe was more of an away team sending off than a home one, these sending offs have proved costly - points and ďsupportersĒ stress levels!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 13, 2020, 22:48:02 pm
Jim Hall a peadophile!!! What a disgusting and libellous thing to say! Hopefully youíll be hearing from someoneís solicitor soon?!
PS I really got to you didnít I Manny? Bless.
You strike me as a sad bitter person who strives attention ? bless 😂
PS You really donít like me do you? 😎


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on December 13, 2020, 23:02:16 pm
You strike me as a sad bitter person who strives attention ? bless 😂
PS You really donít like me do you? 😎

👍 Neither sad nor bitter - in fact pretty much the opposite. Maybe we got off on the wrong foot. I like you really -  youíre very funny and pithy. Letís start again!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 13, 2020, 23:05:09 pm
👍 Neither sad nor bitter - in fact pretty much the opposite. Maybe we got off on the wrong foot. I like you really -  youíre very funny and pithy. Letís start again!
If you think Iím funny, letís be friends.
UTC


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on December 13, 2020, 23:05:42 pm
There arenít enough Cobblers fans in the world to justify falling out with any one of them!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 23:28:12 pm
Makes sense.

As long as it isn't as player/manager? ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 23:33:44 pm
Agree with you on the second Martin Booking and Martin Smith's comments are interesting if only because he was commentating. I cannot recall the Ref consulting the Linesman but if he did then his decision was maybe correct.
The indirect involvement of their 2 player is a puzzle.

The Assistant flagged, did you not see that?
As well as being able to communicate using their headsets, technology is a wonderful thing. 


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 13, 2020, 23:35:53 pm
There arenít enough Cobblers fans in the world to justify falling out with any one of them!
;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2020, 23:52:26 pm
If you think Iím funny, letís be friends.
UTC
It made me laugh Manny. Half a can of Kilkenny went down my nose when I read it.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on December 14, 2020, 10:08:23 am
I agree, itwas the Assistant who first indicated the foul. Still feel that Martin was unfortunate. Didnít deserve the first or 2nd yellow


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 14, 2020, 11:11:54 am
I agree, itwas the Assistant who first indicated the foul. Still feel that Martin was unfortunate. Didnít deserve the first or 2nd yellow
I think the first one was worth, he wasnt even taking the free kick, he was just near the ball!


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Wattie on December 14, 2020, 11:32:38 am
I think the first one was worth, he wasnt even taking the free kick, he was just near the ball!

Should have booked the whole team for time wasting in the first half of a game, we are becoming an absolute joke to watch. We made Crewe look like Brazil same in league game before. Bar a few exceptions the squad seem to be lacking the basics of football techniques such as controlling and passing the ball to a team mate.

The football we are currently playing is the most boring football I have seen since the Calderwood team went 1-0 up.

Horrible to watch and embarrassing when speaking to fans of other league one teams.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2020, 12:28:31 pm
The most sensible suggestion on here for a long time. Ricky spoke with a lot of passion and didn't resort to all the same clichťs that Curle trots out in every interview. I think we have a fairly honest group of players, and with a couple of exceptions, have enough about them to make a fist of staying up. With Curle continuing to pull the strings, however, we are doomed. I'm sure many thought this even at the end of last season a few months ago, but were afraid to say too much after a great couple of performances.    

Bit OTT for Holmes and Sheehan to take over from KC if that is your proposal? Because a player speaks with passion is not necessarily a passport to Management; for example, Page was excited about joining Npton too!. That Curle resorts to 'the same clichťs that he (Curle) trots out in every interview' is a bit unkind' as several fans I mix with never mention it as an issue. I suppose it is a personal thing for you? At this moment I do not think we are yet doomed; perhaps somewhat too early to be sure don't you think? Regarding KC's performances last season he got us into the playoff positions mainly due to a string of decent performances prior to February. Many on here thought we would not even make the playoffs! After the PlayOff win, KC was mostly full of praises on here but there were some who were much more guarded when praising him. Fair enough!




Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Carton Lid on December 14, 2020, 12:57:14 pm
Only just watched the highlights, now I'm not a fan of Joe Martin but his sending off was incredibly harsh. How he was booked for the first when he's 10 yards from the ball and Harriman is standing with his foot on the ball, god only knows, surely this should be appealed ? Also, the second one, Martin is the one fouled and he gets a 2nd yellow ?
   We are paying the price for being labelled a "physical" team, the refs have this preconceived idea about us, and treating us accordingly. 
Interested to hear Deepcuts view on those bookings  ;)


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 14, 2020, 13:48:10 pm
Only just watched the highlights, now I'm not a fan of Joe Martins but his sending off was incredibly harsh. How he was booked for the first when he's 10 yards from the ball and Harriman is standing with his foot on the ball, god only knows, surely this should be appealed ? Also, the second one, Martin is the one fouled and he gets a 2nd yellow ?
   We are paying the price for being labelled a "physical" team, the refs have this preconceived idea about us, and treating us accordingly. 
Interested to hear Deepcuts view on those bookings  ;)

Inconclusive from the angle we have, but the Assistant Referee who had a much better angle than either the referee or us was convinced and flagged immediately. If I was the referee, I would have gone with his decision 100%.  ;)

I haven't seen the first one but if it can be proved as mistaken identity, that is the only instance where a caution can be appealed.  (There will be a full match DVD, which is given to the officials after the match) It would then be transferred to whoever should have received it.
The second one would then become a single caution which, unless he has reached five, would not result in a ban.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: west stand oap on December 14, 2020, 14:22:46 pm
According to KC he says the system needs changing because whereas you can appeal a red card you cannot appeal a red card that has resulted from 2 yellows.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 14, 2020, 14:34:03 pm
According to KC he says the system needs changing because whereas you can appeal a red card you cannot appeal a red card that has resulted from 2 yellows.

The only situation where you can appeal a caution is if it is for mistaken identity.
You cannot appeal a 2 Caution Red Card but you can appeal one of the cautions within that 2C/RC if it was mistaken identity.
If the first one can be proved as mistaken identity, the club would/should have a justifiable appeal.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2020, 16:26:48 pm
The Assistant flagged, did you not see that?
As well as being able to communicate using their headsets, technology is a wonderful thing. 


Yes I did but like the Commentator, Martin Smith assumed he was flagging for a foul on Martin. My point was that I didn't see the ref consult the linesman. Just forgot about the updated Technology after all the Ref was within hailing distance of the Linesman! With reference to the Red Card or second yellow I beg to differ on your analysis as I and one or two+ on here are undecided on the fairness of the first card let alone the second. I do admit that MS reaction of astonishment swayed me. My problem with iFollow is that it lags and the zooming/focusing affects the picture. Or I need new glasses ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 14, 2020, 16:47:27 pm
Yes I did but like the Commentator, Martin Smith assumed he was flagging for a foul on Martin. My point was that I didn't see the ref consult the linesman. Just forgot about the updated Technology after all the Ref was within hailing distance of the Linesman! With reference to the Red Card or second yellow I beg to differ on your analysis as I and one or two+ on here are undecided on the fairness of the first card let alone the second. I do admit that MS reaction of astonishment swayed me. My problem with iFollow is that it lags and the zooming/focusing affects the picture. Or I need new glasses ;D

The direction of his flag, following agitation, indicates the direction that he believes the free kick should be awarded.
The first caution wasn't shown on the highlights, so I cannot and haven't commented.  However as I've said earlier, if it was mistaken identity, there is the possibility of an appeal but only on that card.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 14, 2020, 16:54:21 pm
The direction of his flag, following agitation, indicates the direction that he believes the free kick should be awarded.
The first caution wasn't shown on the highlights, so I cannot and haven't commented.  However as I've said earlier, if it was mistaken identity, there is the possibility of an appeal but only on that card.

I don't think they'll get any joy on that front - Martin stood over it for a while, then moved away and Harriman stood over it, at which point the ref waved a yellow. I don't think any argument about mistaken identity will hold up because while Harriman was the one standing over it at the time, it was Martin who had stood there for a while and done nothing, so the ref will say it's for the first offence, I guess.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2020, 17:16:07 pm
I don't think they'll get any joy on that front - Martin stood over it for a while, then moved away and Harriman stood over it, at which point the ref waved a yellow. I don't think any argument about mistaken identity will hold up because while Harriman was the one standing over it at the time, it was Martin who had stood there for a while and done nothing, so the ref will say it's for the first offence, I guess.

In that case, the Ref should have booked both players. The guy who is going to take the free-kick  - Harriman was the one I thought was always going to take the free-kick. So the ref books Martin! Unless the Club contests successfully the decision a few on here will have kittens if Martin is not punished. Will also make Mysterious Curle smart arse comments superfluous  ;D


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: CJ on December 14, 2020, 17:23:39 pm
I don't think they'll get any joy on that front - Martin stood over it for a while, then moved away and Harriman stood over it, at which point the ref waved a yellow. I don't think any argument about mistaken identity will hold up because while Harriman was the one standing over it at the time, it was Martin who had stood there for a while and done nothing, so the ref will say it's for the first offence, I guess.
Agree with that, but shouldn't the ref have called Martin towards him instead of brandishing yellow in front of Harriman with Martin five yards further away?
That's how I remember it happening.


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on December 14, 2020, 23:26:29 pm
MrMods.Why you delete me and Mr.Hall when we started thread?


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 23, 2020, 13:05:59 pm
Martin has picked up an extra one game ban and a fine for his comments to the officials during and after this game.

Not bothered about the fine, but the ban is a bit of a result!!  :P


Title: Re: Away at the Alex 12.12.20
Post by: Manwork04 on December 23, 2020, 13:59:34 pm
Martin has picked up an extra one game ban and a fine for his comments to the officials during and after this game.

Not bothered about the fine, but the ban is a bit of a result!!  :P
That made me chuckle on a very grim day  ;D