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The Hotel End => Cobblers Corner => Topic started by: Carton Lid on January 13, 2021, 13:22:56 pm



Title: What to do?
Post by: Carton Lid on January 13, 2021, 13:22:56 pm
2021 marks my 60th year of being a NTFC fan, I've been a STH for well over half of those 60 years. This is not the worst Cobblers team I've seen, BUT, it is the least entertaining team. The post administration teams of Phil Chard/John Barnwell obviously lacked good players but they all gave it 100% and did try to play football. This season I log on with a little bit of hope, wait until the team is announced to see if Sheehan is playing, if he is we have a chance, if not I might as well go back to watching Jeff Stelling, at least that's entertaining.
     But even if Sheehan is playing and we look like we might get a point or 3, the last half hour of the games are painful, you just know we will sit back and get battered, just hoping the opposition are not good enough to finish their chances and we get lucky somehow. You just sit there thinking "they are going to score in a minute" and unfortunately, they usually do.
     I don't buy this "We only have a small budget so we cant expect decent football", last weekend I watched Chorley and Marine play some decent football against better opposition then we normally face and earlier this season, Oxford City played us off the park. All three of these clubs would have a fraction of our budget. We also have the likes of Rochdale and Accrington in our division who play great football on a much smaller budget than ours.
   Which brings me on to the big question, do I renew my ST for next season? I'll be honest, the ifollow has been better than I thought it would be, apart from the odd game. Paying for a ST but only getting the same as someone who spends less on ifollow ? I can handle this as I have a decent pension and NTFC has been a really big part of my life for 60 years
      I was at the Exeter Rooms meeting, I've sponsored players and I was involved with all the meetings with NBC before KT bought the club and, if I didn't renew, I would think I have let NTFC down, because if I don't renew there will be lots of people with less commitment not renewing, and that puts the future of NTFC in jeopardy. So do I just carry on with the "blind loyalty" ? With the lockdown as it is, football should be one of the things to look forward to, but it's very difficult to look forward to any NTFC game at the moment.
      I've thought long and hard about this, but as it stands, we will get relegated playing this non football on a pitch deliberately churned up and it's killing my love of NTFC and I doubt that I'm the only one.
      I know NTFC read this forum so I would be interested to hear what KT REALLY thinks about the "entertainment" on offer because he's the one it will effect at the end of the season.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 14:08:00 pm
2021 marks my 60th year of being a NTFC fan, I've been a STH for well over half of those 60 years. ..........................................etc

I know of some fans who have been supporting the club for over 70 years so 60years is no big deal. One lady who sits eating sausage rolls ln row M approx seat 180 is over 80yrs and apparently a genuine happy clapper! Love it!


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Carton Lid on January 13, 2021, 14:19:53 pm
I know of some fans who have been supporting the club for over 70 years so 60years is no big deal. One lady who sits eating sausage rolls ln row M approx seat 180 is over 80yrs and apparently a genuine happy clapper! Love it!
Thank you very much for your constructive comment  ::)


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Athena on January 13, 2021, 14:27:26 pm
I'm literally a year behind and mark my 60th year of NTFC support in 2022 and have also been a ST holder for many, many of those years.  I probably know 'Carton Lid' by sight and who knows quite possibly him, me.  There would appear to be only two seeming differences between us, firstly that I'm not in such a good position financially as he in retirement (and good for him), and secondly that he is able to scribe a post I never could.  It sums up so well (perfectly to be honest) how I also feel and I thank him for writing it in a style and manner which I could never have hoped to attain. I also have to decide on ST renewal but I'm afraid for me it becomes an easy decision.  I simply cannot justify spending out on something which gives me less and less enjoyment at a time when money is becoming tight for me. The post is spot on in so many respects and I too worry about the future of the club having witnessed so much of a slide into decline over the last few years.  The MK game last night was pretty much the final straw for me, and although I can accept defeat to better teams, the performance was totally unacceptable. The last game I attended back in March or whenever I had a young lad and his mum sit in front of me.  She had taken him as an 8th birthday treat (exactly as I had been all those years ago), he was decked out with his hat and scarf and he cheered the whole game, although we were poor and lost I seem to recall.  I could not help sitting behind him making a silent prayer that his first visit would be the start of a lifelong passion for him, although I could not also help wondering if he would still have a club to support in 60 years time.  I will leave you to decide what I concluded.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 14:34:34 pm
Thank you very much for your constructive comment  ::)

No problem >:D ; try some M&S sausage rolls ::) Thought that last night apart from McW we lacked quality all over the pitch. Don/t mind that but against MK - yak.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Coolcat on January 13, 2021, 14:36:00 pm
Two (2) very good posts here!


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 15:00:14 pm
I'm literally a year behind and mark my 60th year of NTFC support in 2022 and have also been a ST holder for many, many of those years. , ..................................................................although I could not also help wondering if he would still have a club to support in 60 years time.  I will leave you to decide what I concluded.

If you two Guys have been watching the Cobblers for over 60 years you must have seen some terrible displays - even numbing ones?  You cant have your cake and eat it as what about the good days like that 31 undefeated run.  Reckon that you Guy's have been Mummy's pet for too long ;D 8)


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 13, 2021, 15:00:51 pm
2021 marks my 60th year of being a NTFC fan, I've been a STH for well over half of those 60 years. This is not the worst Cobblers team I've seen, BUT, it is the least entertaining team. The post administration teams of Phil Chard/John Barnwell obviously lacked good players but they all gave it 100% and did try to play football. This season I log on with a little bit of hope, wait until the team is announced to see if Sheehan is playing, if he is we have a chance, if not I might as well go back to watching Jeff Stelling, at least that's entertaining.
     But even if Sheehan is playing and we look like we might get a point or 3, the last half hour of the games are painful, you just know we will sit back and get battered, just hoping the opposition are not good enough to finish their chances and we get lucky somehow. You just sit there thinking "they are going to score in a minute" and unfortunately, they usually do.
     I don't buy this "We only have a small budget so we cant expect decent football", last weekend I watched Chorley and Marine play some decent football against better opposition then we normally face and earlier this season, Oxford City played us off the park. All three of these clubs would have a fraction of our budget. We also have the likes of Rochdale and Accrington in our division who play great football on a much smaller budget than ours.
   Which brings me on to the big question, do I renew my ST for next season? I'll be honest, the ifollow has been better than I thought it would be, apart from the odd game. Paying for a ST but only getting the same as someone who spends less on ifollow ? I can handle this as I have a decent pension and NTFC has been a really big part of my life for 60 years
      I was at the Exeter Rooms meeting, I've sponsored players and I was involved with all the meetings with NBC before KT bought the club and, if I didn't renew, I would think I have let NTFC down, because if I don't renew there will be lots of people with less commitment not renewing, and that puts the future of NTFC in jeopardy. So do I just carry on with the "blind loyalty" ? With the lockdown as it is, football should be one of the things to look forward to, but it's very difficult to look forward to any NTFC game at the moment.
      I've thought long and hard about this, but as it stands, we will get relegated playing this non football on a pitch deliberately churned up and it's killing my love of NTFC and I doubt that I'm the only one.
      I know NTFC read this forum so I would be interested to hear what KT REALLY thinks about the "entertainment" on offer because he's the one it will effect at the end of the season.
Seriously one of the best posts I have read on this forum, if this doesnít focus KTís mind as to the product he is serving up as ďentertainment ď then nothing will.
I have been a season ticket holder for longer than I care to remember, back to the days when you used to get a book of what looked like raffle tickets that were your season ticket.
This brand of anti football is truly depressing, it actually stresses me out so Iíve decided that if the product on offer doesnít improve I will spend my money elsewhere, if Iím honest the problems are far reaching from the accumulated debt to the state of the ground infrastructure and before anyone thinks COVID-19 it was like this over a year ago.
So in answer to your question thereís not a chance I would pay to watch Curles brand of football in a dilapidated run down half built stadium.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: SadOldGit on January 13, 2021, 15:21:52 pm
I suppose we all live in hope so when a new manager starts we become optimistic, I am waiting for the new man cos I gave up on Curle a long while ago. Unfortunately, off the field it is also a disaster at the moment but KT will be gone soon too so you can only hope things will improve.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on January 13, 2021, 15:54:34 pm
Everbrite, you are a complete !!! Someone takes time to post a detailed overview of how they are feeling about the dross being badged as football and all you can do is make snide remarks! This individual sums up pretty much how I feel and itís exactly the comparison of 31 indeafeated which makes the current fare unacceptable! There will be a large number of supporters making the same decision at the end of this season if we have been relegated and Curle remains in post then I can see a big reduction in renewals. If we stay up he deserves another season, I donít see him going anywhere soon but he needs to realise the level of despair and embarrassment his footballing ethos is helping on the supporters and the club


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: spqr on January 13, 2021, 16:09:01 pm
My first game was in about 1960 when the Cobblers beat Oldham 8-0 and I thought that if football is like this, then it is worth watching.  As the team moved up the divisions my view at games was obstructed by the crowds and I gave up.  I seem to remember watching a game against perhaps Crystal Palace.  The Cobblers got a penalty awarded and I did not see it being taken.  I had to ask somebody what happened.  After that I gave up going.  I would stand in the garden, which was about a mile away, and could hear the groans and cheers.    

Coincidentally I returned to watch the Cobblers when they played Brighton in the league cup and beat them 8-0.  I missed the season in division 1 because I had a part-time job on Saturdays and in the evenings.

As the Cobblers slipped down the divisions there was space again in the Hotel End.  I could see the games and players again.  You could see their faults and their strengths.  

For a short time Dave Bowen looked as though he would get the Cobblers promoted.  Then things hit rock bottom until Bill Dodgin arrived.  Around that time I got a season ticket for a couple of years.   Because of work, I could sit in the stands to watch the reserve games.  Johnny Petts played in one game and tried to jump over the rope on the cricket side to retrieve the ball.  His trailing leg caught the rope and he fell flat on his face.  Getting up, Petts looked at the rope and tried again with the same result.  Most of the first team were in the stands watching and were in hysterics.  I do not remember which game it was, only that Johnny Petts tripped over the rope and the Cobblers' players could not believe what they had just seen.

Dodgin's team was good but then Crerand took over.  Normal service was resumed.  We then got Graham Carr and that was exciting football.  I had moved away from Northamptonshire, but went to home games and away games that were near to me.  

We had the Atkins period again after hitting rock bottom.  

The rest is a bit of a blur now.  Exactly who was in which team etc  and when the Cobblers got promoted, but who cares?

I did not see the First Division season but I saw Johnny Petts trip over the rope on the cricket side.  John Buchanan was outside one of the northern clubs looking at the crowd and muttered that we could do with a few more.  At the old Wigan stadium a Wigan player kicked the ball away with such venom and it hit a Cobblers' player.  I was on the terraces and the Wigan player shouted to me "I think he stopped that!"  

Coming up to date and the Cobblers were struggling again when Ady Boothroyd took over.  Matt Duke dryly said "You need a bit a of tension.  That's what makes the world go round."

I do not expect miracles from the Cobblers.  I know that they will struggle for at least this season.  Covid has not helped.  However, if I lived locally, I would not think about getting a season ticket now.  If the Cobblers were playing away, I would probably watch a non league team like Brackley.  You see players who are good and they can take a bump without needing a lot of treatment.  Che Adams was the last stand out player that I saw when he was at Ilkeston.  

Matt Duke summed it up, you need a bit of tension!


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: guest3419 on January 13, 2021, 16:14:58 pm
2021 marks my 60th year of being a NTFC fan, I've been a STH for well over half of those 60 years. This is not the worst Cobblers team I've seen, BUT, it is the least entertaining team. The post administration teams of Phil Chard/John Barnwell obviously lacked good players but they all gave it 100% and did try to play football. This season I log on with a little bit of hope, wait until the team is announced to see if Sheehan is playing, if he is we have a chance, if not I might as well go back to watching Jeff Stelling, at least that's entertaining.
     But even if Sheehan is playing and we look like we might get a point or 3, the last half hour of the games are painful, you just know we will sit back and get battered, just hoping the opposition are not good enough to finish their chances and we get lucky somehow. You just sit there thinking "they are going to score in a minute" and unfortunately, they usually do.
     I don't buy this "We only have a small budget so we cant expect decent football", last weekend I watched Chorley and Marine play some decent football against better opposition then we normally face and earlier this season, Oxford City played us off the park. All three of these clubs would have a fraction of our budget. We also have the likes of Rochdale and Accrington in our division who play great football on a much smaller budget than ours.
   Which brings me on to the big question, do I renew my ST for next season? I'll be honest, the ifollow has been better than I thought it would be, apart from the odd game. Paying for a ST but only getting the same as someone who spends less on ifollow ? I can handle this as I have a decent pension and NTFC has been a really big part of my life for 60 years
      I was at the Exeter Rooms meeting, I've sponsored players and I was involved with all the meetings with NBC before KT bought the club and, if I didn't renew, I would think I have let NTFC down, because if I don't renew there will be lots of people with less commitment not renewing, and that puts the future of NTFC in jeopardy. So do I just carry on with the "blind loyalty" ? With the lockdown as it is, football should be one of the things to look forward to, but it's very difficult to look forward to any NTFC game at the moment.
      I've thought long and hard about this, but as it stands, we will get relegated playing this non football on a pitch deliberately churned up and it's killing my love of NTFC and I doubt that I'm the only one.
      I know NTFC read this forum so I would be interested to hear what KT REALLY thinks about the "entertainment" on offer because he's the one it will effect at the end of the season.

+1

KC is not to blame for the lack of entertainment. He was employed to knock the team into shape with a short-term goal of promotion. Well done KC for the achievement.

KT is responsible for the long-term goals (when will we see another goal!!). He knew KC plays direct football. He allowed him to train on and ruin the pitch. He allowed him to narrow the pitch.. He allows the appauling football to be served up to supporters!

One question Mr Thomas; Would you pay out your hard earned cash for another season of this dire 'entertainment'?


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 13, 2021, 16:16:26 pm
Two (2) very good posts here!

Precisely.....

If posts like that from two very committed supporters don't ring alarm bells then there is something wrong somewhere. Also if some posters see theses as merely "anti-club rants" then there is something wrong there too.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: guest3419 on January 13, 2021, 16:16:57 pm
Everbrite, you are a complete !!! Someone takes time to post a detailed overview of how they are feeling about the dross being badged as football and all you can do is make snide remarks! This individual sums up pretty much how I feel and itís exactly the comparison of 31 indeafeated which makes the current fare unacceptable! There will be a large number of supporters making the same decision at the end of this season if we have been relegated and Curle remains in post then I can see a big reduction in renewals. If we stay up he deserves another season, I donít see him going anywhere soon but he needs to realise the level of despair and embarrassment his footballing ethos is helping on the supporters and the club

+1


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 16:25:24 pm
Everbrite, you are a complete !!! ....................................

Cant help but agree but feel the same about some of your comments :o  You only appear to make a depressing personal comment when we lose which unfortunately is all too common at the moment ::) Chin up man and face misfortune with gusto. Hope this finds you well


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 13, 2021, 16:41:06 pm
I know of some fans who have been supporting the club for over 70 years so 60years is no big deal. One lady who sits eating sausage rolls ln row M approx seat 180 is over 80yrs and apparently a genuine happy clapper! Love it!

I don't normally take this line. But if that is the best you can respond to a genuine heartfelt post, there's something not right with you. And you are heading straight for the door if you carry on.

In response to your post Roger. I have said quite a few times now, that whilst COVID will, and has undoubtedly had a negative impact on club finances, the aftermath will be the acid test. The greatest danger is the amount of supporters that have paid for, but haven't seen football, and who have not missed it as much as they thought they would. Now... I'm not one of them, but I do genuinely know a few who I consider as serious about jacking it all in. All of them citing the very same reason as you Roger. You are far from alone in your perspective.

So, how is this to be addressed? In my opinion, as a long standing supporter as well, I can only say that I do not expect prem style football, or a win every week. I am as realistic as you are. I always stand by the adage. "We can forgive you losing, but we can't forgive you for not trying". Unfortunately, whether or not they are trying, they certainly don't come across as so. In the field of entertainment, you're are bolloxed if that's the case. I know funds are tight and I know it is a difficult time to invest significantly, but we are genuinely at a crossroads in terms of a lot of the supports thoughts going forward. Now, more than anytime in past, there has to be something that symbolises the clubs understanding of the supports current lack of morale and the detached feeling a lot of them have towards the club, and football in general. This is not about being fickle, it is about maintaining a club in order to entice supporters and sustainable revenue back for the future.



Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: tcobb on January 13, 2021, 16:53:11 pm
Excellent post by Carton Lid, can fully understand what he is thinking and why. Ive not had a season ticket for the past 3 seasons, before that i had season tickets alot of the time, going back to my first ever at the County Ground. I dont watch the games on ifollow as its just not the same.
 But saying all that, after watching the Cobblers for 51 years. i (covid permitting) will become a season ticket holder again next season. Why ? Because i miss the whole day that football gives, yes the football under Curle is dire, boring and downright awful, the Stadium is becoming a bit tired around the edges, yes the East Stand is still along way from becoming the first Stand the Cobblers have built for over 50 years. But its the day itself i miss, all the praising when it goes right, the moaning when it goes wrong, the train/car journey to away games, the drinks in the pub before and after the game, the **** take from your mates, the joy of a promotion season, the pain of a relegation season. Covid has shown me how much ive missed all these, in fact took it for granted that it would always be there. So yes i will be getting a season ticket again, and to be fair i cant wait.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on January 13, 2021, 17:00:56 pm
Again Everbrite your post is inaccurate I complimented the Team on the 2 previous performances as there was something to applaud. I know of numerous fans who have not renewed STs since CW went and more are likely to follow, if you wish to bury your head then do be it, maybe consider changing your name to ĎLarge South African flightless birdí


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 17:02:48 pm
Excellent post by Carton Lid, can fully understand what he is thinking and why. Ive not had a season ticket for the past 3 seasons, before that i had season tickets alot of the time, going back to my first ever at the County Ground. I dont watch the games on ifollow as its just not the same.
 But saying all that, after watching the Cobblers for 51 years. i (covid permitting) will become a season ticket holder again next season. Why ? Because i miss the whole day that football gives, yes the football under Curle is dire, boring and downright awful, the Stadium is becoming a bit tired around the edges, yes the East Stand is still along way from becoming the first Stand the Cobblers have built for over 50 years. But its the day itself i miss, all the praising when it goes right, the moaning when it goes wrong, the train/car journey to away games, the drinks in the pub before and after the game, the **** take from your mates, the joy of a promotion season, the pain of a relegation season. Covid has shown me how much ive missed all these, in fact took it for granted that it would always be there. So yes i will be getting a season ticket again, and to be fair i cant wait.

I enjoyed that summary - the away games in particularly are generally an enjoyable experience.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Teachers Pet on January 13, 2021, 17:07:08 pm
2021 marks my 60th year of being a NTFC fan, I've been a STH for well over half of those 60 years. This is not the worst Cobblers team I've seen, BUT, it is the least entertaining team. The post administration teams of Phil Chard/John Barnwell obviously lacked good players but they all gave it 100% and did try to play football. This season I log on with a little bit of hope, wait until the team is announced to see if Sheehan is playing, if he is we have a chance, if not I might as well go back to watching Jeff Stelling, at least that's entertaining.
     But even if Sheehan is playing and we look like we might get a point or 3, the last half hour of the games are painful, you just know we will sit back and get battered, just hoping the opposition are not good enough to finish their chances and we get lucky somehow. You just sit there thinking "they are going to score in a minute" and unfortunately, they usually do.
     I don't buy this "We only have a small budget so we cant expect decent football", last weekend I watched Chorley and Marine play some decent football against better opposition then we normally face and earlier this season, Oxford City played us off the park. All three of these clubs would have a fraction of our budget. We also have the likes of Rochdale and Accrington in our division who play great football on a much smaller budget than ours.
   Which brings me on to the big question, do I renew my ST for next season? I'll be honest, the ifollow has been better than I thought it would be, apart from the odd game. Paying for a ST but only getting the same as someone who spends less on ifollow ? I can handle this as I have a decent pension and NTFC has been a really big part of my life for 60 years
      I was at the Exeter Rooms meeting, I've sponsored players and I was involved with all the meetings with NBC before KT bought the club and, if I didn't renew, I would think I have let NTFC down, because if I don't renew there will be lots of people with less commitment not renewing, and that puts the future of NTFC in jeopardy. So do I just carry on with the "blind loyalty" ? With the lockdown as it is, football should be one of the things to look forward to, but it's very difficult to look forward to any NTFC game at the moment.
      I've thought long and hard about this, but as it stands, we will get relegated playing this non football on a pitch deliberately churned up and it's killing my love of NTFC and I doubt that I'm the only one.
      I know NTFC read this forum so I would be interested to hear what KT REALLY thinks about the "entertainment" on offer because he's the one it will effect at the end of the season.

Very good post.

I'm only in to my 43rd year, a vast majority of those as a season ticket holder. I remember the old raffle style season tickets that Manwork has also mentioned.

I'm starting to feel very similar to you. Do I renew next season or not. The football is dire to watch, most of the time we're not even getting results to make it bearable. The pitch is an embarrassment and watching on I follow in the warmth of my own home with creature comforts readily available, well it's a no brainer, isn't it?

The bad news for the club in my case is that it's not just my ticket, it's also my two sons - supporters of the future that the club needs. One of my son's can't even bring himself to watch it on I follow any more. It's all very sad I'm afraid.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: CJ on January 13, 2021, 17:10:37 pm
Very good post.

I'm only in to my 43rd year, a vast majority of those as a season ticket holder. I remember the old raffle style season tickets that Manwork has also mentioned.

I'm starting to feel very similar to you. Do I renew next season or not. The football is dire to watch, most of the time we're not even getting results to make it bearable. The pitch is an embarrassment and watching on I follow in the warmth of my own home with creature comforts readily available, well it's a no brainer, isn't it?

The bad news for the club in my case is that it's not just my ticket, it's also my two sons - supporters of the future that the club needs. One of my son's can't even bring himself to watch it on I follow any more. It's all very sad I'm afraid.
I'm not sure that we will have Ifollow as an option if the vaccines work will we?


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Knockingonabit on January 13, 2021, 17:10:53 pm
Nearer 70 years since my first visit to The County Ground. Don't know how long I have been visiting this site but Cartons post is one of the best I have ever read on here.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: singcobb on January 13, 2021, 17:11:19 pm
I don't normally take this line. But if that is the best you can respond to a genuine heartfelt post, there's something not right with you. And you are heading straight for the door if you carry on.

In response to your post Roger. I have said quite a few times now, that whilst COVID will, and has undoubtedly had a negative impact on club finances, the aftermath will be the acid test. The greatest danger is the amount of supporters that have paid for, but haven't seen football, and who have not missed it as much as they thought they would. Now... I'm not one of them, but I do genuinely know a few who I consider as serious about jacking it all in. All of them citing the very same reason as you Roger. You are far from alone in your perspective.

So, how is this to be addressed? In my opinion, as a long standing supporter as well, I can only say that I do not expect prem style football, or a win every week. I am as realistic as you are. I always stand by the adage. "We can forgive you losing, but we can't forgive you for not trying". Unfortunately, whether or not they are trying, they certainly don't come across as so. In the field of entertainment, you're are bolloxed if that's the case. I know funds are tight and I know it is a difficult time to invest significantly, but we are genuinely at a crossroads in terms of a lot of the supports thoughts going forward. Now, more than anytime in past, there has to be something that symbolises the clubs understanding of the supports current lack of morale and the detached feeling a lot of them have towards the club, and football in general. This is not about being fickle, it is about maintaining a club in order to entice supporters and sustainable revenue back for the future.



+1


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Teachers Pet on January 13, 2021, 17:17:59 pm
I'm not sure that we will have Ifollow as an option if the vaccines work will we?


True, but at a tenner a game it works out a lot cheaper than buying a season ticket.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Saint Cobbler on January 13, 2021, 17:19:05 pm
Nearer 70 years since my first visit to The County Ground. Don't know how long I have been visiting this site but Cartons post is one of the best I have ever read on here.
I've been a supporter since we beat Arsenal 3-1 in the FA Cup and I lived within 2 minutes walk of the County Ground. I agree, Carton Lid's post must sum up the feelings of so many supporters and one has to worry about the future level of support for the Cobblers until something changes.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 17:24:16 pm
Again Everbrite your post is inaccurate I complimented the Team on the 2 previous performances as there was something to applaud. I know of numerous fans who have not renewed STs since CW went and more are likely to follow, if you wish to bury your head then do be it, maybe consider changing your name to ĎLarge South African flightless birdí

My opinion is not always the same as yours ::). Regarding the numerous fans who have not renewed since CW left; would argue how many did we gain after last seasons promotion? I would argue that if we survive this season in this division or more importantly as a going Club we may lose a few or even gain some. This board does not always generally go with the broad swell of local supporter opinion at least that is the impression from  talking to some sections of support. The other thing to remember that after each depressing result allied with the current pandemic seems to affect most of us. Still chin up and hope for the best!


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 13, 2021, 17:25:01 pm
Excellent post by Carton Lid, can fully understand what he is thinking and why. Ive not had a season ticket for the past 3 seasons, before that i had season tickets alot of the time, going back to my first ever at the County Ground. I dont watch the games on ifollow as its just not the same.
 But saying all that, after watching the Cobblers for 51 years. i (covid permitting) will become a season ticket holder again next season. Why ? Because i miss the whole day that football gives, yes the football under Curle is dire, boring and downright awful, the Stadium is becoming a bit tired around the edges, yes the East Stand is still along way from becoming the first Stand the Cobblers have built for over 50 years. But its the day itself i miss, all the praising when it goes right, the moaning when it goes wrong, the train/car journey to away games, the drinks in the pub before and after the game, the **** take from your mates, the joy of a promotion season, the pain of a relegation season. Covid has shown me how much ive missed all these, in fact took it for granted that it would always be there. So yes i will be getting a season ticket again, and to be fair i cant wait.

This virtually mirrors my position. For all it's flaws, I love it. I'll be getting a ticket. I should imagine that most at NTFC are as fed up as us.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: CJ on January 13, 2021, 17:26:16 pm
True, but at a tenner a game it works out a lot cheaper than buying a season ticket.
And I've jumped on board the Ifollow ship after missing the first few this season, but last night was particularly depressing to watch and my feed was s***e all night.
I am now wondering if just listening to Tim on radio and then the lowlghts as part of the division review on Quest isnt the way forward.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 13, 2021, 17:46:27 pm
Great post by the threads originator...

I probably am fairly unique with my thoughts but certainly in line with all of my mates who are regulars. In that this season, due to COVID, is psychologically a 'write off'. Basically...stay in league1 at all costs, whether that includes making the pitcher less wide, churning the grass up, horrible anti football...whatever, I don't care. Why? Because I don't believe that the players we have are in any way shape or form good enough for this division in a football sense. Rochdale/Accrington already had 'league1 players' - we lost all of our good players and replaced them with cheaper options. After promotion.

I will say though. Last night presented us with an opportunity to try and play some football. Mix things up. However, as soon as I saw the team sheet (without Sheehan) I knew what was to come. Still paid my tenner for a game Id never have even bothered listening to before COVID, simply because (and Ill admit it) I've got fcuk all better to do at the minute!  ;D

I expect KC to try and evolve us. (style). To be fair, when Sheehan plays we do 'mix it'. Gillingham was at times, fun to watch. Sunderland was a trepid affair but they have players on 10times more £ than us...Id take the point, even normally! This window gives him the chance, hopefully, to bring in some 'footballers' or 'technicians' as he calls them. We shall see on that, but I suspect £ will be the key factor. Goes without saying.

If KC does keep us up, his remit next season will be simple. Change the style Keith. BUT I think thats a given. And the plan. So Im cool with it. If we do stay up, and we start next season playing like this season; 10 games in he will be gone, if the results match the 'entertainment' (lack of). We we go down, I suspect that we will be looking for a new manager. Purely on the basis that people wont renew in the numbers needed to make next season financially more comfortable. KT/DB will know that, Im certain.

In a nutshell....my 'stance'!


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: guest3419 on January 13, 2021, 18:37:51 pm
Everbrite; have you heard of the expression' less is more'?

Why you think people read your continous pontificating on any and every subject is strange. I suggest you draw breath and stop at 15,400 posts for a while and give EVERYBODY a break!


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Clarity on January 13, 2021, 18:42:20 pm
True, but at a tenner a game it works out a lot cheaper than buying a season ticket.
When and if it goes back to normal you wonít be able to watch home games on iFollow. They didnít before and wonít in the future, many wouldnít buy season tickets


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Dan on January 13, 2021, 19:32:29 pm
Several phenomenal posts in this thread. Best contributions to the forum in a very long time. I totally share the views.

The reason I renewed this year and the year before was because I love a football day. Itís a chance to totally switch off from the real world for the day with a great group of mates, and many others who all share the one common interest. Supporting NTFC.

The problem is that that interest is going and thatís because of the lack of ambition from the powers that be, the woeful football, the treatment of the pitch which not that long ago was winning awards year after year, no interest in finishing the East Stand etc etc.

Will I renew, never been less sure that I will.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on January 13, 2021, 19:40:49 pm
Dan, I totally concur with that viewpoint.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Teachers Pet on January 13, 2021, 20:12:56 pm
When and if it goes back to normal you wonít be able to watch home games on iFollow. They didnít before and wonít in the future, many wouldnít buy season tickets

You're absolutely right of course  :-[ sorry having a bit of a moment. What a choice then, Tim on the radio or Keith with his style of football  >:( 


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Grove on January 13, 2021, 20:26:06 pm
I renewed, despite the fact that i miss half the games due to work commitments.I also renewed hoping upon hope that the club would match my ambitions  with evolving football and league 1 players, alas neither happened. The i follow coverage is poor , due to restictions on what device you can watch it on, and the woeful commentary. So value for money is well short of the mark, not least that we've already paid for the commentary via our TV licence .
The club is not a charity, if any fans were short of cash im sure the club wouldn't stump up some cash for nothing.
in typical Thomas style he announces a 3 million defecit prior to the transfer window, so we know where we stand (despite other clubs signing players, with the same financial issues)
I shant renew.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: CobblerForever on January 13, 2021, 20:28:55 pm

If KC does keep us up, his remit next season will be simple. Change the style Keith. BUT I think thats a given. And the plan. 

Has Kelvin said this ?


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 13, 2021, 20:43:56 pm
Has Kelvin said this ?

I doubt it.....but then I doubt that he said that the remit for this season was just purely to stay up by any method possible........ he was quite bullish pre-season, with his talk of competitive budgets, lauding Wycombe Wanderers as an example as if to say "why not us".....I doubt anyone interpreted anything he said as "i'd be happy with 20th position"


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: OCoole on January 13, 2021, 21:27:14 pm
If you two Guys have been watching the Cobblers for over 60 years you must have seen some terrible displays - even numbing ones?  You cant have your cake and eat it as what about the good days like that 31 undefeated run.  Reckon that you Guy's have been Mummy's pet for too long ;D 8)

The sooner the moderators of this board remove you the better. I am deterred (and I'm sure others feel the same) from posting on here when whatever post is inevitably met from a snarky, unsolicited response from you. If you are looking for arguments to satiate your abrasive tendencies then could I suggest you use the many more unpleasant sites on the internet, and allow this site to be about a good natured discussion about the Cobblers please?


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2021, 22:26:48 pm
Everbrite; have you heard of the expression' less is more'?

Why you think people read your continous pontificating on any and every subject is strange. I suggest you draw breath and stop at 15,400 posts for a while and give EVERYBODY a break!

Must admit your style is faintly familiar!


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: EB Claret on January 13, 2021, 23:05:42 pm
As someone who grew up in a family of egg chasers I came late to the Cobblers, I had only seen the odd game before becoming a regular follower in 1976. I then had a decade of mediocrity but savoured every victory of my division four favourites, I accepted that this was my lot in the world of football.
                                                                                                                                                                                                         Then, along came Graham Carr! What was this? Direct attacking football, goals galore and a feature on Saint and Greavsie! Who else remembers singing 'we're gunna score in a minute' before the kickoff! This is still the Cobblers right?
After dropping back into the mire we had the Atkins great over achievers, three seasons near the top of the league with CC, a false alarm with Boothroyd and lived the dream with Wilder and Knill.

Mixed in with the good times was plenty of dross but at least we always seemed to have heroes, that's what this current team lacks, there are no heroes! We all have our own favourites, I loved Benji but Morley and Hill ran him close. When Bayo came on and scored at Swindon we knew another hero had arrived, there was Smudger's footballing genius, we'll never forget Abdul at Anfield and of course Rico, JJOT and Ricky warmed our cockles. I'll even add the now much derided Steve Phillips who scored the first Cobblers goal I saw live (1-1 against PNE I think) as I watched from the duckboards in the mid seventies.

Where are our heroes now? Has Covid taken away the link we used to feel with our boys? Or are they just not good enough? I agree we are not good to watch and so people may question what they spend their money on. In my time we have rarely been pretty to watch and usually playing in division 4 but unless Elon Musk suddenly discovers family links to Duston that is our lot.

Things are pretty grim at the moment but I will renew my season ticket again and hope for better days when we can crowd into the grounds again and hug each other in celebration for moments of joy provide by a new set of heroes.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on January 14, 2021, 01:58:30 am
What a great thread, lots of different views and opinions as ever? However, even though some of the opinions are different to mine, doesnít it make you view the individuals expressing them with a new found respect? Note to self the next time we are all kicking lumps out of each other when things go pear shaped?


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 14, 2021, 08:38:45 am
Thank you very much for your constructive comment  ::)

It was only after receiving a stern rebuke from Admin who also mentioned your first name did I cotton on to who you are. Considering you have always been considerate and friendly; I find my remarks churlish in the extreme. Please accept my apologies for the post which clearly lacked appreciation, respect and lack of common humanity towards a fellow fan. Considering we are acquaintances and on nodding terms makes my post extremely galling and ill mannered. Suffice to say that when we next meet assuredly at an away fixture in the neat future will confirm my apologies in person.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: BackOfTheNet on January 14, 2021, 10:29:58 am
It was only after receiving a stern rebuke from Admin who also mentioned your first name did I cotton on to who you are. Considering you have always been considerate and friendly; I find my remarks churlish in the extreme. Please accept my apologies for the post which clearly lacked appreciation, respect and lack of common humanity towards a fellow fan. Considering we are acquaintances and on nodding terms makes my post extremely galling and ill mannered. Suffice to say that when we next meet assuredly at an away fixture in the neat future will confirm my apologies in person.

So it's only "churlish" and "galling and ill mannered" because you've realised you know him? Does that mean it's fine if you don't? ???


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: cobblertone on January 14, 2021, 11:34:43 am
So it's only "churlish" and "galling and ill mannered" because you've realised you know him? Does that mean it's fine if you don't? ???

That sums up the internet. People on any thread you can read anywhere (news feeds) are full of everything from full on abuse to sarcastic personal responses, none of which would be said to either someone you know, or someone you don't face to face. Reasoned debate doesn't really exist anymore.
I would hope that at least on here at the moment we could have some togetherness and empathy. I am sure each of us is struggling in some element of our life, whether than is financially or emotionally via personal suffering, loss, loneliness etc....

...plus we have the common shared emotion of following a football team who is making everything worse  ;D


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 14, 2021, 11:39:46 am
That sums up the internet. People on any thread you can read anywhere (news feeds) are full of everything from full on abuse to sarcastic personal responses, none of which would be said to either someone you know, or someone you don't face to face. Reasoned debate doesn't really exist anymore.
I would hope that at least on here at the moment we could have some togetherness and empathy. I am sure each of us is struggling in some element of our life, whether than is financially or emotionally via personal suffering, loss, loneliness etc....

...plus we have the common shared emotion of following a football team who is making everything worse  ;D

👍




Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Clarity on January 14, 2021, 11:55:30 am
That sums up the internet. People on any thread you can read anywhere (news feeds) are full of everything from full on abuse to sarcastic personal responses, none of which would be said to either someone you know, or someone you don't face to face. Reasoned debate doesn't really exist anymore.
I would hope that at least on here at the moment we could have some togetherness and empathy. I am sure each of us is struggling in some element of our life, whether than is financially or emotionally via personal suffering, loss, loneliness etc....

...plus we have the common shared emotion of following a football team who is making everything worse  ;D
Good post.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Grove on January 14, 2021, 12:19:46 pm
As someone who grew up in a family of egg chasers I came late to the Cobblers, I had only seen the odd game before becoming a regular follower in 1976. I then had a decade of mediocrity but savoured every victory of my division four favourites, I accepted that this was my lot in the world of football.
                                                                                                                                                                                                         Then, along came Graham Carr! What was this? Direct attacking football, goals galore and a feature on Saint and Greavsie! Who else remembers singing 'we're gunna score in a minute' before the kickoff! This is still the Cobblers right?
After dropping back into the mire we had the Atkins great over achievers, three seasons near the top of the league with CC, a false alarm with Boothroyd and lived the dream with Wilder and Knill.

Mixed in with the good times was plenty of dross but at least we always seemed to have heroes, that's what this current team lacks, there are no heroes! We all have our own favourites, I loved Benji but Morley and Hill ran him close. When Bayo came on and scored at Swindon we knew another hero had arrived, there was Smudger's footballing genius, we'll never forget Abdul at Anfield and of course Rico, JJOT and Ricky warmed our cockles. I'll even add the now much derided Steve Phillips who scored the first Cobblers goal I saw live (1-1 against PNE I think) as I watched from the duckboards in the mid seventies.

Where are our heroes now? Has Covid taken away the link we used to feel with our boys? Or are they just not good enough? I agree we are not good to watch and so people may question what they spend their money on. In my time we have rarely been pretty to watch and usually playing in division 4 but unless Elon Musk suddenly discovers family links to Duston that is our lot.

Things are pretty grim at the moment but I will renew my season ticket again and hope for better days when we can crowd into the grounds again and hug each other in celebration for moments of joy provide by a new set of heroes.


I love this post


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: claretparrot on January 14, 2021, 16:25:20 pm
It was only after receiving a stern rebuke from Admin who also mentioned your first name did I cotton on to who you are. Considering you have always been considerate and friendly; I find my remarks churlish in the extreme. Please accept my apologies for the post which clearly lacked appreciation, respect and lack of common humanity towards a fellow fan. Considering we are acquaintances and on nodding terms makes my post extremely galling and ill mannered. Suffice to say that when we next meet assuredly at an away fixture in the neat future will confirm my apologies in person.

Uriah Heap at it again


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: wingman on January 15, 2021, 11:22:24 am
2021 marks my 60th year of being a NTFC fan, I've been a STH for well over half of those 60 years. This is not the worst Cobblers team I've seen, BUT, it is the least entertaining team. The post administration teams of Phil Chard/John Barnwell obviously lacked good players but they all gave it 100% and did try to play football. This season I log on with a little bit of hope, wait until the team is announced to see if Sheehan is playing, if he is we have a chance, if not I might as well go back to watching Jeff Stelling, at least that's entertaining.
     But even if Sheehan is playing and we look like we might get a point or 3, the last half hour of the games are painful, you just know we will sit back and get battered, just hoping the opposition are not good enough to finish their chances and we get lucky somehow. You just sit there thinking "they are going to score in a minute" and unfortunately, they usually do.
     I don't buy this "We only have a small budget so we cant expect decent football", last weekend I watched Chorley and Marine play some decent football against better opposition then we normally face and earlier this season, Oxford City played us off the park. All three of these clubs would have a fraction of our budget. We also have the likes of Rochdale and Accrington in our division who play great football on a much smaller budget than ours.
   Which brings me on to the big question, do I renew my ST for next season? I'll be honest, the ifollow has been better than I thought it would be, apart from the odd game. Paying for a ST but only getting the same as someone who spends less on ifollow ? I can handle this as I have a decent pension and NTFC has been a really big part of my life for 60 years
      I was at the Exeter Rooms meeting, I've sponsored players and I was involved with all the meetings with NBC before KT bought the club and, if I didn't renew, I would think I have let NTFC down, because if I don't renew there will be lots of people with less commitment not renewing, and that puts the future of NTFC in jeopardy. So do I just carry on with the "blind loyalty" ? With the lockdown as it is, football should be one of the things to look forward to, but it's very difficult to look forward to any NTFC game at the moment.
      I've thought long and hard about this, but as it stands, we will get relegated playing this non football on a pitch deliberately churned up and it's killing my love of NTFC and I doubt that I'm the only one.
      I know NTFC read this forum so I would be interested to hear what KT REALLY thinks about the "entertainment" on offer because he's the one it will effect at the end of the season.

One of the best postings on here for a long long time, 40 yrs season ticket holder, but..........who knows for now.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 15, 2021, 12:09:55 pm
Uriah Heap at it again

That seems a bit retrospective; a classic hit and run snipe?


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 15, 2021, 12:52:24 pm
+1

KC is not to blame for the lack of entertainment. He was employed to knock the team into shape with a short-term goal of promotion. Well done KC for the achievement.

KT is responsible for the long-term goals (when will we see another goal!!). He knew KC plays direct football. He allowed him to train on and ruin the pitch. He allowed him to narrow the pitch.. He allows the appauling football to be served up to supporters!

One question Mr Thomas; Would you pay out your hard earned cash for another season of this dire 'entertainment'?

You obviously have some strong POV on KC and possibly on KT! Your second para is interesting but wonder how much you have considered the circumstances which affect KC on field tactics even overall strategy? He lost the spine of his team pre season plus an early raft of injuries .Also the pandemic has effected the Clubs attitude to meaningful activity in the summer transfer market. As a supporter I canít fault all the Clubs pandemic activity as it seems prudent to me! What do you mean by long term goals? I agree on your comments on the state of the pitch; please consider putting this direct to KT?  Should be interesting! The pitch has been narrowed - unaware of this and possibly not common knowledge. Can you point me to the link or source of information?
Good luck in contacting KT on the pitch as this appears to be a worthwhile investigative exercise.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: EB Claret on January 15, 2021, 15:45:26 pm
You obviously have some strong POV on KC and possibly on KT! Your second para is interesting but wonder how much you have considered the circumstances which affect KC on field tactics even overall strategy? He lost the spine of his team pre season plus an early raft of injuries .Also the pandemic has effected the Clubs attitude to meaningful activity in the summer transfer market. As a supporter I canít fault all the Clubs pandemic activity as it seems prudent to me! What do you mean by long term goals? I agree on your comments on the state of the pitch; please consider putting this direct to KT?  Should be interesting! The pitch has been narrowed - unaware of this and possibly not common knowledge. Can you point me to the link or source of information?
Good luck in contacting KT on the pitch as this appears to be a worthwhile investigative exercise.

Watch the games on iFollow the old lines have been faintly visible and I noticed this at the Lincoln game.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 15, 2021, 17:05:26 pm
Watch the games on iFollow the old lines have been faintly visible and I noticed this at the Lincoln game.

Thanks EB - surprised that this has not been discussed/mentioned before.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on January 15, 2021, 23:16:39 pm
I have never understood why there is a variance in size allowed with regards to pitches so I looked it up? Anyway as a result I found this which was quite interesting and some of the reasoning could be applied to us? Sorry for the long winded post but I have chopped this out of the article.

As an example you can look at Tony Pulis. The man who seems to have a baseball cap surgically attached to his head is known for playing a long-ball style of football. During his time as manager of Stoke City Pulis demanded that the pitch meet the minimum possible dimensions. This allowed his long-ball style to be played more effectively and it created an opportunity for the clubís long-throw specialist Rory Delap to more accurately find his targets.

Another famous example of a pitchís dimensions being used to the home teamís advantage came in 1987 when Graeme Souness was the manager of Rangers. His scouting of the clubís European Cup opponents Dynamo Kiev had revealed that the Ukrainian team played with very dangerous wingers who liked to hug the touchline. On the eve of the game Souness gave his groundskeepers an instruction that they should change the pitch around.

Souness: ďThe pitch didnít have to be a fixed width as long as it was above a certain minimum, so I thought: ĎRight, Iíll make it the absolute minimumí. On the Tuesday afternoon the Kiev players trained on the pitch when it was the normal size. On Wednesday night they came out for the match and must have been shocked to discover that, after 15 paces, they were on the touchline Ö it wasnít purist stuff, but it was within the rulesĒ.

Teams that choose to defend with a Ďlow blockí benefit from being on a pitch with smaller dimensions. The smaller the pitch is the less chance the attacking side has to move the ball around and pull the defending team out of position. Tottenhamís manager Mauricio Pochettino certainly believed as much when he blamed the size of the White Hart Lane pitch on his sideís loss to Newcastle in 2014. He said, ďOur style means we need a bigger space to play because we play a positional game. Itís true that White Hart Lane is a little bit tight and itís better for the opponent when they play deepĒ.

Full article here.

https://www.football-stadiums.co.uk/articles/are-all-football-pitches-the-same-size/

Incidentally, it gives our dimensions as 106m x 65m. Relatively one the longest and also narrowest? Better get fit when playing Shrewsbury?




Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on January 17, 2021, 10:26:58 am
This is very interesting but you don't actually explain why there isn't a standard pitch size, but rather how clubs exploit the current rules. Not having a single standard size seems to give an unfair advantage to the home side. I think it might be nice if NTFC were forced to use out-and-out wingers. Marshall and Roberts could be decent - or certainly worth a try at least.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on January 17, 2021, 10:57:08 am
This is very interesting but you don't actually explain why there isn't a standard pitch size, but rather how clubs exploit the current rules. Not having a single standard size seems to give an unfair advantage to the home side. I think it might be nice if NTFC were forced to use out-and-out wingers. Marshall and Roberts could be decent - or certainly worth a try at least.
No, I didnít actually find out the answer and then went off on a tangent with the other stuff. Then I  completely forgot about what I was looking for in the first place, sorry.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Coolcat on January 17, 2021, 14:26:19 pm
That seems a bit retrospective; a classic hit and run snipe?
Lucky he didn't liken you to Uriah Rennie...that would be impeachment territory!  ;D


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: everbrite on January 17, 2021, 17:00:36 pm
Lucky he didn't liken you to Uriah Rennie...that would be impeachment territory!  ;D

Didn't realize that we had such Charles Dickens snipers around. Proper little snipe ; really hurt me ::)


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: CJ on January 17, 2021, 17:02:43 pm
No, I didnít actually find out the answer and then went off on a tangent with the other stuff. Then I  completely forgot about what I was looking for in the first place, sorry.
There's probably not a standard pitch size because the old grounds were developed before that idea was first raised. Once in use and of various size according to what was surrounding them, how could the FA or whatever authority then try and standardize pitch size?
Only possible by making the smallest pitch  played on the standard, which would have met with considerable opposition by those playing clubs on larger pitches I would have thought?


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on January 17, 2021, 18:25:48 pm
There's probably not a standard pitch size because the old grounds were developed before that idea was first raised. Once in use and of various size according to what was surrounding them, how could the FA or whatever authority then try and standardize pitch size?
Only possible by making the smallest pitch  played on the standard, which would have met with considerable opposition by those playing clubs on larger pitches I would have thought?
Iím not having that CJ? When football was first invented back in the day and they put together the rules such as number of players, handball, VAR etc you would have thought it was first on the list? In those days there was probably a cow shed and that was about it, so it canít be that surely?


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: tcobb on January 17, 2021, 18:39:20 pm
https://www.discountfootballkits.com/blog/football-pitch-size-guide/

The main thing i remember from marking out pitches in the past is that it cannot be square.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: Coolcat on January 17, 2021, 19:47:41 pm
At a 120yds x 75yds, the County Ground pitch was the longest in the league, and third largest in area overall.
Think Manchester City's Maine Road had the largest.
Conversely, The Shay, The Vetch and Upton Park had the smallest pitches.

This goes some way to explaining why the Spion Kop didn't always look so grand, viewed from the Hotel End. It was in fact, larger than even the Holte End at Villa or South Bank at Wolves!  ;)


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: CJ on January 17, 2021, 21:30:30 pm
Iím not having that CJ? When football was first invented back in the day and they put together the rules such as number of players, handball, VAR etc you would have thought it was first on the list? In those days there was probably a cow shed and that was about it, so it canít be that surely?
Ha, we used to change in a cow shed when playing for the village side as a junior. Had to stoop to get into it though so cows must have grown over the years? I wasnt a tall kid.


Title: Re: What to do?
Post by: CJ on January 17, 2021, 21:33:21 pm
https://www.discountfootballkits.com/blog/football-pitch-size-guide/

The main thing i remember from marking out pitches in the past is that it cannot be square.
I had no idea the parameters were that broad.