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Title: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 03, 2021, 11:17:37 am
Sam Hoskins made his 250th appearance (all competitions) for Northampton against Forest Green, an achievement currently matched by Frank Large. Up next in his sights are John Farrington, Wakeley Gage, Don Martin and John Frain in his next 3 games. This thread will attempt to keep up to date with the rise up the appearance ladder.

With a vocal number of 'supporters' claiming that Sam will 'never be good enough for us', 'has no end product', is 'inconsistant', and 'we will never be good enough to get promoted with him in the team' ... while having the cognitive dissonance to simultaneously claim that all they want from a player is to 'give their all for the club'. Well don't take my view on it but one of the 7 managers to put him in their team - here is Jon Brady;

"He's got two promotions with the club and 250 games shows a lot of loyalty and he's usually up for selection every week because he's fit and he's robust and he's a great servant. He gives everything he's got every time he plays and you can't ask for much more than that. Let's hope he continues making a lot of appearances for this club. I've said before, everyone at this club, we appreciate him and his hard work and his efforts in our team."


Feel free to continue the praise below...


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Teachers Pet on September 03, 2021, 11:28:57 am
All I'll say is Sam Hoskins is a very loyal and versatile footballer. Every club needs a Super Sam and hopefully he'll chalk up many more games for our club.

You only miss things/people when you no longer have them and that will be the same with Sam when he does leave one day. He can frustrate at times but most players do at league 1/2 level.

Keep up the good work Sam our super right back, left back, centre back, wing back, midfielder, winger and striker  ;D         


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gazman on September 03, 2021, 11:34:03 am
Sam is our version of James Milner or Gareth Barry, one of those players who fans don't generally appreciate but must be doing something right as manager after manager keeps picking them.
We know his finishing could be better but you can't knock him and the effort and dedication he has put in during his time here. Most other players with 250 games behind them would be given legendary status. I am not saying he should be given that tag but maybe we should accept that he is better than we give him credit for and deserves more respect from the fans. Fair play to him.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gazman on September 03, 2021, 11:34:36 am
All I'll say is Sam Hoskins is a very loyal and versatile footballer. Every club needs a Super Sam and hopefully he'll chalk up many more games for our club.

You only miss things/people when you no longer have them and that will be the same with Sam when he does leave one day. He can frustrate at times but most players do at league 1/2 level.

Keep up the good work Sam our super right back, left back, centre back, wing back, midfielder, winger and striker  ;D         

+1


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 03, 2021, 11:44:01 am
...a few of the players Sam has overtaken in the list over the past year include Fred Lessons, Mike Everitt, Warren Donald, Ray Warburton, Theo Foley and Keith McPherson.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: threeinabed on September 03, 2021, 12:14:47 pm
Sam Hoskins made his 250th appearance (all competitions) for Northampton against Forest Green, an achievement currently matched by Frank Large. Up next in his sights are John Farrington, Wakeley Gage, Don Martin and John Frain in his next 3 games. This thread will attempt to keep up to date with the rise up the appearance ladder.

With a vocal number of 'supporters' claiming that Sam will 'never be good enough for us', 'has no end product', is 'inconsistant', and 'we will never be good enough to get promoted with him in the team' ... while having the cognitive dissonance to simultaneously claim that all they want from a player is to 'give their all for the club'. Well don't take my view on it but one of the 7 managers to put him in their team - here is Jon Brady;

"He's got two promotions with the club and 250 games shows a lot of loyalty and he's usually up for selection every week because he's fit and he's robust and he's a great servant. He gives everything he's got every time he plays and you can't ask for much more than that. Let's hope he continues making a lot of appearances for this club. I've said before, everyone at this club, we appreciate him and his hard work and his efforts in our team."


Feel free to continue the praise below...

it's the equivalent of picking someone on a sunday morning because "he turns up every week and collects the subs"


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 03, 2021, 13:10:25 pm
it's the equivalent of picking someone on a sunday morning because "he turns up every week and collects the subs"


Yep, that's why all 7 of the managers he's played under have picked him for the vast majority of games in which he's been available for selection, with him only playing a bit part role under Wilder (who must still have rated him as he was the one that signed him in the first place!)

Sammy is hugely underrated by elements of our support and I've never got it. He's a willing runner, can tackle, is pretty quick, utterly committed and has an incredible engine that sees him running and running for the whole 90 minutes of a match. I think that often sees people sneer at those who will "cheer anyone that runs about a lot", but that sort of tempo adds a lot to the side. On top of all that he's now played in every position except goalkeeper for us at some stage so is the most flexible player we have. He's also tricky and skilful and opponents must hate seeing him run at them.

Yes, his finishing, crossing and passing all vary from the sublime to the ridiculous but given his other attributes, if he could find consistency in any of those last three then he wouldn't be playing for us.

He's been a great servant for the club and I hope he stays with us for years to come.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobblertone on September 03, 2021, 13:22:24 pm
He'll never be good enough for some and the usual 'get out' is "it's only because he isn't good enough for anyone else"
Of course this isn't true or else you could pull that out from anyone from Sammo to Messi. Some players are just not journeymen but they are few and far between.

He's a solid, hard working and loyal lower league player, who clearly enjoys playing for the club. I'm sure he wishes his career would have reached greater heights with us, or someone else but he continues to contribute and subsequent managers clearly value his worth.

Congrats on the appearances and the few haters are always gonna hate.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on September 03, 2021, 13:24:47 pm
He gets a thumbs up from me. When we are televised live the commenters all seem to rate him and they should know better than most. Adam Virgo excepted of course.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on September 03, 2021, 13:29:01 pm
Quote from Brady about him having two promotions with the club does appear to be missing the equally relevant fact that he’s got two relegations with the club also. He is someone who’s a reasonable league two player and out of his depth at league one. If he was good enough, bids would have come in. (Just seen cobblestones post, yep I’m one of those you mention 👍🏽).

In fairness he’s  been alright this season so far. Don’t mind him at right back and sooner see that than Harriman. Maybe not saying much there but he’s done okay. I’d have also played him in goal over Mitchell and Cornell.

250 is still impressive regardless so fair play.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on September 03, 2021, 14:53:11 pm
Is someone going to begin a thread 'The Fall(s) of Benny Ashley Seal'?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 03, 2021, 15:05:34 pm
+1

It is clear some on here know better than all the recent Managers incl the great CW! If we had 11 players all with the same attitude we would still be in League One easily; even pushing for the Championship!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on September 03, 2021, 15:12:37 pm
Yep, that's why all 7 of the managers he's played under have picked him for the vast majority of games in which he's been available for selection, with him only playing a bit part role under Wilder (who must still have rated him as he was the one that signed him in the first place!)

Sammy is hugely underrated by elements of our support and I've never got it. He's a willing runner, can tackle, is pretty quick, utterly committed and has an incredible engine that sees him running and running for the whole 90 minutes of a match. I think that often sees people sneer at those who will "cheer anyone that runs about a lot", but that sort of tempo adds a lot to the side. On top of all that he's now played in every position except goalkeeper for us at some stage so is the most flexible player we have. He's also tricky and skilful and opponents must hate seeing him run at them.

Yes, his finishing, crossing and passing all vary from the sublime to the ridiculous but given his other attributes, if he could find consistency in any of those last three then he wouldn't be playing for us.

He's been a great servant for the club and I hope he stays with us for years to come.


You've gone and done it again BOTN.
'He can tackle'
I'm afraid I strongly disagree. If he could tackle he would have made a half decent right (wing) back but he can't so he hasn't.
His legs are far to quick and short for his brain.
He has played 250 times for us but I preferred the 200 appearances that Ryan Gilligham served and I wasn't his biggest fan.
Brady says 250 appearances show a lot of loyalty. Yeah right, so how many better 9r comparable offers has Sammy turned down?
Brady says let's hope be continues to make lots of appearances for us. Please god no. Mr Brady if you want to be a successful you must show a little more ambition than that.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobblertone on September 03, 2021, 15:17:09 pm
If he was good enough, bids would have come in. (Just seen cobblestones post, yep I’m one of those you mention 👍🏽).


Maybe low bids have come in, and/or he has had opportunities to move sideways rather than necessarily up and chosen to stay.
Any of that aside, any Cobbler with 250 appearances warrants some respect and we could make a visit long list of examples of a waste of a wage since he joined. We have a couple now.
It is strange how some players get worshipped and others are either boo boys or really divide the support. Prime examples being David Seal who I thought was mediocre at best and Dave Savage who was one of my favourite players and was pretty unpopular. I guess even the popular Bayo drew some criticism. JJOT a great example of crossing over. Gilligan's mediocrity was mainly amplified by the likes of Marvo.
 
You can't please all of the people all of the time and some people will never be pleased.  


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: threeinabed on September 03, 2021, 15:26:13 pm
Yep, that's why all 7 of the managers he's played under have picked him for the vast majority of games in which he's been available for selection, with him only playing a bit part role under Wilder (who must still have rated him as he was the one that signed him in the first place!)

other than wilder, who used him sparingly, as you say yourself - how many left because a better offer came in and how many were sacked because of their poor judgement / selections?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 03, 2021, 16:00:56 pm
other than wilder, who used him sparingly, as you say yourself - how many left because a better offer came in and how many were sacked because of their poor judgement / selections?

That's an irrelevance really, isn't it? It might not have worked out at NTFC for any of them but they are all people who have spent their lives living and working in football, all have far higher coaching qualifications than any of us and also see the players in training most days.  Yes, we can all criticise some of their decisions (and most of us do! ) but I think it's the height of arrogance to decide we know better than all 6 or 7 individuals who have all seemingly rated a player highly enough to pick him most games.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on September 03, 2021, 16:26:11 pm
Like everyone else I am disappointed at times by Sam's end product and decision making, but also I can't fault his energy and commitment and none of us should.
He is frequently picked out by opposition supporters as our best player and I thought that against Forest Green, he was.
I'd love him to make better choices and start scoring more often, but until we find another player to do that I'm glad he's in our team.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: corno_ntfc on September 03, 2021, 20:36:12 pm
Looking forward to the testimonial in a few years time!!!  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on September 03, 2021, 20:51:27 pm
I don't think this club can progress until we say cheerio to Sam Hoskins. We have relied on him for goodness knows how long. Yes he runs around like a blue-arsed fly but quality is not his middle name. He has become a 'go-to' by many managers because you cannot deny his work-rate and they can always defend a poor performance by highlighting his effort. There is no place for him in an attacking dynamic team. He couldn't score in a harem and his final ball is, well, bollocks. We won't move on till he moves on. He is like a poor Rod Stewart tribute, but do you think he's sexy?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 03, 2021, 20:57:31 pm
You've gone and done it again BOTN.
'He can tackle'
I'm afraid I strongly disagree. If he could tackle he would have made a half decent right (wing) back but he can't so he hasn't.
His legs are far to quick and short for his brain.
He has played 250 times for us but I preferred the 200 appearances that Ryan Gilligham served and I wasn't his biggest fan.
Brady says 250 appearances show a lot of loyalty. Yeah right, so how many better 9r comparable offers has Sammy turned down?
Brady says let's hope be continues to make lots of appearances for us. Please god no. Mr Brady if you want to be a successful you must show a little more ambition than that.

You are missing the point but in any case he cleared off the line the other day which is as good as a tackle. If you are comparing Gilligan with Hoskins; I believe Hoskins has been subject of an offer, apparently from a Championship Club. The real point is that this is all to do honesty, loyalty and the ability to play where selected either in a game or actually selected. What has managerial success got to do with ambition without loyalty from your players. Please explain Bowens, Wilders and Carrs success without player loyalty?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Freddie Ramscar on September 03, 2021, 22:30:03 pm
You are missing the point but in any case he cleared off the line the other day which is as good as a tackle. If you are comparing Gilligan with Hoskins; I believe Hoskins has been subject of an offer, apparently from a Championship Club. The real point is that this is all to do honesty, loyalty and the ability to play where selected either in a game or actually selected. What has managerial success got to do with ambition without loyalty from your players. Please explain Bowens, Wilders and Carrs success without player loyalty?

Totally correct Evers. ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on September 03, 2021, 22:41:28 pm
If a player gets an offer from a championship club which would give him a big wage rise but might reduce his playing time and he turns it down for 4th division regular football! Really?

I’d take splinters and financially secure over regular hoofball any day. I’m sure Mark Bunn is gutted over his bank balance warming benches every day.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on September 03, 2021, 22:43:12 pm
Forgot to say I saw him in Morrison’s earlier. I resisted a chorus of Super Sam in the aisles #wildintheaisles


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 03, 2021, 23:37:50 pm
because he's fit and he's robust and he's a great servant.
Basically "well we know he'll be available if need be and with the crocks we usually sign, that's every week"


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 04, 2021, 07:11:58 am
Forgot to say I saw him in Morrison’s earlier. I resisted a chorus of Super Sam in the aisles #wildintheaisles

I saw him in Homesense last weekend. He gets about, doesn't he?  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 04, 2021, 09:35:28 am
Sam Hoskins is shît.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on September 04, 2021, 10:12:31 am
I saw him in Homesense last weekend. He gets about, doesn't he?  ;D
Bet he struggles to get the stuff he wants from off the top shelves.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: bungle on September 04, 2021, 10:27:04 am
Hoskins is a model professional: hardworking, robust, always willing to fill in anywhere to do a job for the team. His character is absolutely unimpeachable and he should be applauded and appreciated by our fanbase.

However, like a lot of 'utility players', the constant switching of position has probably been to the detriment of his development as a footballer. Ben Tozer was a similar victim of the 'utility curse' when he was here and Johnson tried to turn him into a defensive midfielder; in recent years, Michael Duff has allowed him a sustained period of development in his natural position of centre back at Cheltenham and he has now blossomed into a title-winning captain who has just moved clubs for a substantial six-figure fee.

I think the constant switching around has contributed to Hoskins' main weakness: his 'footballing brain' and lack of 'positional sense' - too often he shoots when he should pass, dallies on the ball too long, dribbles up a blind alley or chooses to pass to the wrong teammate.

If we continue to play him as a first choice winger in a 4-4-2 I would be concerned about our overall creativity. His crossing simply isn't good enough to play on the wing in a 4-4-2 IMO, and he doesn't get enough assists. He was brought to the club as a striker and he should return to this position IMO, particularly as Brady called him the most 'natural finisher at the club' (ahead of Rose and BAS) last season. As others have said, he's also good as one of the three behind the striker in a 4-2-3-1, where his capacity to carry the ball at pace can cause problems.

Ultimately, he's been a great servant and I'm glad he's in our squad. It's certainly not his fault that he's been played out of position so much. Managers love him due to his workrate, pressing ability and physical fitness: it's no surprise that they've constantly found a way to shoehorn him in somewhere, but this has often been at the expense of our overall tactical coherence - hence the 'Hoskins dilemma'.  However, if Brady is serious about producing 'bums off seat' football and developing us into a team ultimately capable of sustaining league one status then he needs to resolve the 'Hoskins dilemma' once and for all.




Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Charlatan on September 04, 2021, 10:36:26 am
Hoskins is a model professional: hardworking, robust, always willing to fill in anywhere to do a job for the team. His character is absolutely unimpeachable and he should be applauded and appreciated by our fanbase.

However, like a lot of 'utility players', the constant switching of position has probably been to the detriment of his development as a footballer. Ben Tozer was a similar victim of the 'utility curse' when he was here and Johnson tried to turn him into a defensive midfielder; in recent years, Michael Duff has allowed him a sustained period of development in his natural position of centre back at Cheltenham and he has now blossomed into a title-winning captain who has just moved clubs for a substantial six-figure fee.

I think the constant switching around has contributed to Hoskins' main weakness: his 'footballing brain' and lack of 'positional sense' - too often he shoots when he should pass, dallies on the ball too long, dribbles up a blind alley or chooses to pass to the wrong teammate.

If we continue to play him as a first choice winger in a 4-4-2 I would be concerned about our overall creativity. His crossing simply isn't good enough to play on the wing in a 4-4-2 IMO, and he doesn't get enough assists. He was brought to the club as a striker and he should return to this position IMO, particularly as Brady called him the most 'natural finisher at the club' (ahead of Rose and BAS) last season. As others have said, he's also good as one of the three behind the striker in a 4-2-3-1, where his capacity to carry the ball at pace can cause problems.

Ultimately, he's been a great servant and I'm glad he's in our squad. It's certainly not his fault that he's been played out of position so much. Managers love him due to his workrate, pressing ability and physical fitness: it's no surprise that they've constantly found a way to shoehorn him in somewhere, but this has often been at the expense of our overall tactical coherence - hence the 'Hoskins dilemma'.  However, if Brady is serious about producing 'bums off seat' football and developing us into a team ultimately capable of sustaining league one status then he needs to resolve the 'Hoskins dilemma' once and for all.



Great post Bungle


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 04, 2021, 17:21:27 pm
A goal and an assist today  ;D >:D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bertie on September 04, 2021, 18:49:20 pm
Sam did well today and got his reward. I haven't always been his greatest fan - but have always acknowledged his effort and workrate. He seems to have come on over the last couple of seasons and is now a decent player at this level. Great burst of speed and cross for the first goal, and in the right place for the second. Can't ask much more.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 04, 2021, 18:50:51 pm
I think on todays performance most teams in our division would be pleased to have Sam in their team.

I see another of our under-rated players, Harry Smith, scored another 2 headers today. He showed he was capable of getting on the end of a cross but we rarely provided him with any. His 2 goals today were against Newport County whose manager said " I know how good Harry Smith is I tried all summer to sign him".


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on September 04, 2021, 19:04:30 pm
I like Sammy and always have. I agree with the frustrating failings mentioned here in terms of passing, crossing and decision-making, because he doesn't do these well consistently enough. I also agree that sometimes it feels that he's shoehorned into the side even when he doesn't fit easily into the  formation.

BUT I think he has other key qualities, apart from the obvious ones like pace, work-rate and versatility. A huge proportion of the chances we create involve him, because he makes excellent runs and gets into good positions and does sometimes pass and cross well. He also controls the ball much better than most players at this level. I know that a lot of chances get wasted (often by Sammy himself!), but many wouldn't even be chances without him having done something that other players don't do.

He's a good player at League 2 level in my opinion. If we want to really compete at L1 and above, that's a different story. Anyway, 250 appearances is no mean feat, so congratulations to him and I hope he's a key part of another promotion winning team this season!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 04, 2021, 19:43:56 pm

He's a good player at League 2 level in my opinion. If we want to really compete at L1 and above, that's a different story. Anyway, 250 appearances is no mean feat, so congratulations to him and I hope he's a key part of another promotion winning team this season!

Spot on…


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on September 04, 2021, 20:10:27 pm


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Winslow Lee on September 04, 2021, 20:20:12 pm
There is no place for him in an attacking dynamic team. He couldn't score in a harem and his final ball is, well, bollocks.
Goal and an assist today!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 04, 2021, 21:27:35 pm
he's not black or gay so leave him alone.

umm I hope the way you've phrased that is wrong...cause it doesn't come across well...


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on September 04, 2021, 21:37:07 pm
Sammy is a player we've rather taken for granted, criticising his failings rather than crediting him for his contribution.
Without him the whole team would lack energy. He never hides even when things aren't going well for him and we are lucky to have him.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on September 04, 2021, 22:52:14 pm
other than wilder, who used him sparingly, as you say yourself - how many left because a better offer came in and how many were sacked because of their poor judgement / selections?

Sparingly? In the famous 2015/16 season he started 20 games with 22 as sub. This compares with fellow strikers Rico's 32 starts with 5 as sub and Marquis 13 starts and 2 as sub.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 04, 2021, 22:58:45 pm
I don't think this club can progress until we say cheerio to Sam Hoskins. We have relied on him for goodness knows how long. Yes he runs around like a blue-arsed fly but quality is not his middle name. He has become a 'go-to' by many managers because you cannot deny his work-rate and they can always defend a poor performance by highlighting his effort. There is no place for him in an attacking dynamic team. He couldn't score in a harem and his final ball is, well, bollocks. We won't move on till he moves on. He is like a poor Rod Stewart tribute, but do you think he's sexy?

 8) Judging by your personal details you may have an issue yourself ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 04, 2021, 23:12:34 pm
If a player gets an offer from a championship club which would give him a big wage rise but might reduce his playing time and he turns it down for 4th division regular football! Really?

I’d take splinters and financially secure over regular hoofball any day. I’m sure Mark Bunn is gutted over his bank balance warming benches every day.

One was Wycombe in deep trouble in the Championship; he turned down one and don't blame him at all. Bunn went to a decent Club(s).
.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 05, 2021, 00:26:28 am
Bit of a pointless debate in my opinion. If Sam consistently had a quality end product there is no way on gods earth he would be playing for us, not with all those other attributes.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on September 05, 2021, 00:33:42 am
I think on todays performance most teams in our division would be pleased to have Sam in their team.



Absolutely!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 05, 2021, 21:44:20 pm
Forgot to say I saw him in Morrison’s earlier. I resisted a chorus of Super Sam in the aisles #wildintheaisles

 ;D
Which Morrisons?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on September 05, 2021, 21:51:44 pm
Very good yesterday. Good man.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 06, 2021, 10:25:44 am
I expect Sam to produce a lot more for us in his next 250 games than he did in the first now he has that experience.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 06, 2021, 15:08:06 pm
In all honesty Super Sam is a decent L2 player and had a good game on Saturday.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 06, 2021, 15:20:06 pm
In all honesty Super Sam is a decent L2 player and had a good game on Saturday.


Agree with this.

He made a great "between the posts" run for his chance right at the end of the first half, and was very unlucky that the keeper clawed it out.

I do think he's got some poachers ability in him. He just fails more often when given time to think about what to do!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on September 06, 2021, 17:25:09 pm
;D
Which Morrisons?

 At the old Cattle Market Morrison’s. That’s the one near Becketts Park for any younger viewers.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 06, 2021, 23:18:33 pm
At the old Cattle Market Morrison’s. That’s the one near Becketts Park for any younger viewers.

Well spotted - saw Graham Moore in Swanns back in 65/66.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on September 07, 2021, 07:35:46 am
Saw Jason Burnham in Spinadisc.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 07, 2021, 08:05:04 am
Saw Kevin Wilson working as a yard man for a roofers merchant down Letts Road. He loaded up my van for me.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Freddie Ramscar on September 07, 2021, 11:43:46 am


Saw Gary Lineker on TV.

Being given shed loads of my hard earned for doing very little.    ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)




Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Monkey on September 07, 2021, 12:29:02 pm
I saw him in Homesense last weekend. He gets about, doesn't he?  ;D

I saw him there too, he bought a couple of nice lamps. I'm interested to know what he bought from Morrisons?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 07, 2021, 12:47:21 pm
My grand-daughter had a 'photo taken with him in MK shopping centre.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 07, 2021, 12:48:52 pm
I saw him there too, he bought a couple of nice lamps. I'm interested to know what he bought from Morrisons?

He did! He was carrying them as he walked past us on the stairs.

We didn't buy anything in there.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 07, 2021, 13:44:38 pm
Saw Jason Burnham in Spinadisc.

I saw DoK in Harrods Car dept was chatting to Mandy Rice Davies who happened to be in the Car Dept at same time. This was in 1964!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on September 07, 2021, 14:29:22 pm
I saw DoK in Harrods Car dept was chatting to Mandy Rice Davies who happened to be in the Car Dept at same time. This was in 1964!

I saw Clive Oink send Petula Clark a dobbsy on hotmail.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 07, 2021, 15:32:57 pm
I saw Clive Oink send Petula Clark a dobbsy on hotmail.

Doubt it, Petula does not do Oinks; in any case her private life is just that! Bet you don’t know were she lives /domiciled now?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Freddie Ramscar on September 07, 2021, 15:42:09 pm
Doubt it, Petula does not do Oinks; in any case her private life is just that! Bet you don’t know were she lives /domiciled now?

I'll try Paris. ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 07, 2021, 16:35:28 pm
Doubt it, Petula does not do Oinks; in any case her private life is just that! Bet you don’t know were she lives /domiciled now?

Down town?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 07, 2021, 16:58:05 pm

Saw Gary Lineker on TV.

Being given shed loads of my hard earned for doing very little.    ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)




Whilst I don’t mind the man - do people remember how absolutely s***e he was when he first started punditry which goes to show with coaching and a bit of practice anyone can do the job which would suggest he is somewhat overpaid.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on September 07, 2021, 17:15:19 pm
Down town?

Deyn teyn surely, or is it dayn tayn?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 07, 2021, 17:44:41 pm
Whilst I don’t mind the man - do people remember how absolutely s***e he was when he first started punditry which goes to show with coaching and a bit of practice anyone can do the job which would suggest he is somewhat overpaid.
Ahh good old Links the classic privileged socialist, what a complete tôsser.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 07, 2021, 18:10:30 pm
Ahh good old Links the classic privileged socialist, what a complete tôsser.

Possibly but if you are a so called classic privileged socialist you are a complete tosser and if you are a down on your heels socialist it’s either the politics of envy or you didn’t work hard enough……


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on September 07, 2021, 18:11:20 pm
Doubt it, Petula does not do Oinks; in any case her private life is just that! Bet you don’t know were she lives /domiciled now?

She lives on Jubilee Street.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 07, 2021, 18:22:50 pm
She lives on Jubilee Street.

She actually lives up the road from me & a very nice lady she is.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on September 07, 2021, 19:34:21 pm
She lives on Jubilee Street.
A rather marvellous Nick Cave tune


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 07, 2021, 20:52:30 pm
She lives on Jubilee Street.

According to "British Artists Today" she has lived in Geneva for 5 decades and since 2012 has rarely left Geneva! Is Jubilee Street in Geneva?
Petula Sally Olwen Clark, CBE (born 15 November 1932) is a British singer, actress, and composer.  She was for a short time relocated to Warren Camp the Governments WW 2 Evacuee Centre for Children under 16yrs  with 700 other kids. Of course there is another Petula but her surname ended with an e! Some Guy on here must live in Geneva?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 07, 2021, 20:54:15 pm
Possibly but if you are a so called classic privileged socialist you are a complete tosser and if you are a down on your heels socialist it’s either the politics of envy or you didn’t work hard enough……

Quite a few of both!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on September 07, 2021, 21:01:21 pm
According to "British Artists Today" she has lived in Geneva for 5 decades and since 2012 has rarely left Geneva! Is Jubilee Street in Geneva?
Petula Sally Olwen Clark, CBE (born 15 November 1932) is a British singer, actress, and composer.  She was for a short time relocated to Warren Camp the Governments WW 2 Evacuee Centre for Children under 16yrs  with 700 other kids. Of course there is another Petula but her surname ended with an e! Some Guy on here must live in Geneva?

I’m getting a bit of an inkling that you rather like Petula Clark. 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 07, 2021, 21:17:02 pm
I’m getting a bit of an inkling that you rather like Petula Clark. 8)

Similar age ……


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 07, 2021, 21:42:41 pm
Similar age ……

She is 86 I am nearly 91. As you live near her go and ask her to confirm her age, mind you with a bunch of flowers.
Talking about well known socialists why are so many writers, poets, musicians and actors follow/support Labour. Some of their life style is hardly socialist either. Emma Thompson, Martin Freeman and Richard Wilson who all drive expensive luxury cars. Only  like her Down Town Song as it was played at the CG in our hey day. 1965/6. As for her other compositions -  ::) :(


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on September 07, 2021, 23:14:16 pm
According to "British Artists Today" she has lived in Geneva for 5 decades and since 2012 has rarely left Geneva!
She played at Fairport Conventions annual festival at Cropredy, just over the border in Oxfordshire, in August 2017. She was OK


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 08, 2021, 07:18:27 am
She is 86 I am nearly 91. As you live near her go and ask her to confirm her age, mind you with a bunch of flowers.

Oh you mean that Petula - I was referring to to one who lives in Halifax……


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 08, 2021, 07:26:36 am
Talking about well known socialists why are so many writers, poets, musicians and actors follow/support Labour. Some of their life style is hardly socialist either. Emma Thompson, Martin Freeman and Richard Wilson who all drive expensive luxury cars.

I think it’s more a case intelligent people know that no political “system” is ideal and I suspect the people you name rather than embracing hard left policies simply support a degree of equality and social justice - they probably also dislike the current incompetent corrupt administration (which paradoxically does not represent traditional conservative values).


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on September 08, 2021, 07:36:56 am
She is 86 I am nearly 91. As you live near her go and ask her to confirm her age, mind you with a bunch of flowers.
Talking about well known socialists why are so many writers, poets, musicians and actors follow/support Labour. Some of their life style is hardly socialist either. Emma Thompson, Martin Freeman and Richard Wilson who all drive expensive luxury cars. Only  like her Down Town Song as it was played at the CG in our hey day. 1965/6. As for her other compositions -  ::) :(

Creative, intelligent folk who have a bond with others are more likely to be committed to the better side of human existence and can see through the superficiality of greed.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 09:32:02 am
I think it’s more a case intelligent people know that no political “system” is ideal and I suspect the people you name rather than embracing hard left policies simply support a degree of equality and social justice - they probably also dislike the current incompetent corrupt administration (which paradoxically does not represent traditional conservative values).

Smart thinking ::), can recall some of the ancient Athenian philosophers saying much the same! You appear to be a disillusioned anti Brexiteer? My point is why do so many Musicians etc appear to support Labour and/or Momentum/Corbyn? Touch of self indulgent thinking in your example of intelligent people!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on September 08, 2021, 09:39:03 am
Smart thinking ::), can remember some of the ancient Athenian philosophers saying much the same! You appear to be a disillusioned anti Brexiteer? My point is why do so many Musicians etc appear to support Labour and/or Momentum/Corbyn? Touch of self indulgent thinking in your example of intelligent people!
'You can remember'.
Crikey Everbrite, are you really that old? ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 10:04:31 am
Creative, intelligent folk who have a bond with others are more likely to be committed to the better side of human existence and can see through the superficiality of greed.

You are on the wrong forum with that heartfelt opinion of creative intelligent folk :'(
Hoskins a player of apparent modest creative ability, is able to see the pitfalls of moving club for an enhanced salary. So based on your opinion on creative ability Hoskins lacks the intelligence to conform to your Socialist way of thinking? No wonder Labour failed with such superficial way of thinking!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 10:08:50 am
'You can remember'.
Crikey Everbrite, are you really that old? ;D

Nothing wrong with being old, do you not have elderly relatives you are fond of?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 08, 2021, 10:44:35 am
You are on the wrong forum with that heartfelt opinion of creative intelligent folk :'(
Hoskins a player of apparent modest creative ability, is able to see the pitfalls of moving club for an enhanced salary. So based on your opinion on creative ability Hoskins lacks the intelligence to conform to your Socialist way of thinking? No wonder Labour failed with such superficial way of thinking!

I tried to put this in Google Translator and my PC crashed.......................


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 08, 2021, 11:57:03 am
She is 86 I am nearly 91.

Really??  ::)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 12:35:32 pm


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on September 08, 2021, 12:40:09 pm
You are on the wrong forum with that heartfelt opinion of creative intelligent folk :'(
Hoskins a player of apparent modest creative ability, is able to see the pitfalls of moving club for an enhanced salary. So based on your opinion on creative ability Hoskins lacks the intelligence to conform to your Socialist way of thinking? No wonder Labour failed with such superficial way of thinking!


Crikey, more assumptions there than in an amazon algorithm. Is Hoskins a player of modest creative ability? Has he been offered an enhanced salary elsewhere? Are there pitfalls? Where did I say Hoskins lacks intelligence? Why should he conform to my way of thinking? Who mentioned Socialism? I don't know what 'Labour' has to do with it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 12:45:31 pm
I tried to put this in Google Translator and my PC crashed.......................


You would do Einstein, as it was a reply to ‘SOG’. Tried to deflect the thread back on topic to Super Sam?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 12:53:30 pm

Crikey, more assumptions there than in an amazon algorithm. Is Hoskins a player of modest creative ability? Has he been offered an enhanced salary elsewhere? Are there pitfalls? Where did I say Hoskins lacks intelligence? Why should he conform to my way of thinking? Who mentioned Socialism? I don't know what 'Labour' has to do with it.

Love it, decent response from a Poet ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 19, 2021, 19:46:43 pm
Sam overtakes Alan Starling on overall appearances tonight..


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 19, 2021, 20:45:59 pm
and matches Steve Phillips overall goals.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on October 20, 2021, 12:22:24 pm
and matches Steve Phillips overall goals.

Is Sam on course to be leading scorer this season?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobblertone on October 20, 2021, 12:33:53 pm
The fact that Etete is now our top scorer (all comps, minutes per goal) is pretty telling. We need one of these forward boys to start hitting the net more frequently. We need him and Sam in double figures. We’ll probably get a fair few more goals from corners. Can’t really see us setting any goal scoring charts alight this season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on October 20, 2021, 13:18:07 pm
The fact that Etete is now our top scorer (all comps, minutes per goal) is pretty telling. We need one of these forward boys to start hitting the net more frequently. We need him and Sam in double figures. We’ll probably get a fair few more goals from corners. Can’t really see us setting any goal scoring charts alight this season.

Goals against might make good viewing😎


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 20, 2021, 17:14:24 pm
Goals against might make good viewing😎
It’s very good indeed Evers we just need to improve the other end.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on October 20, 2021, 22:54:38 pm
Is there a table of former Cobblers players goals scored and appearances made?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 20, 2021, 23:03:40 pm
Is there a table of former Cobblers players goals scored and appearances made?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Northampton_Town_F.C._records_and_statistics


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on October 21, 2021, 08:42:12 am
The munchkin still has a way to go then.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 21, 2021, 18:12:08 pm
The munchkin still has a way to go then.
Fear not CJ Mr. Wonka will have him back to the chocolate factory before long.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on October 23, 2021, 18:18:13 pm
There are 3 certainties in life - death, taxes and Super Sam.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bertie on October 24, 2021, 11:35:00 am
Was interested to hear Martin Smith say yesterday that he felt Sam had really come on in the last 2 seasons. Respect his judgement, and agree. At this level he's an asset, many more positives than negatives.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 24, 2021, 13:43:29 pm
Was interested to hear Martin Smith say yesterday that he felt Sam had really come on in the last 2 seasons. Respect his judgement, and agree. At this level he's an asset, many more positives than negatives.
At this level he’s OK and has improved.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 24, 2021, 21:09:12 pm
The ok 'munchkin' joins the ok Bobby Barnes and Willie O'Donnell on overall goals for the club and the ok Jim Hall on league goals.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on October 24, 2021, 22:12:14 pm
I hope people have come to terms with that in the distant future Sam Hoskins will be revered in awe as a club legend.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 24, 2021, 22:13:22 pm
I hope people have come to terms with that in the distant future Sam Hoskins will be revered in awe as a club legend.
He already is.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 24, 2021, 22:15:48 pm
The ok 'munchkin' joins the ok Bobby Barnes and Willie O'Donnell on overall goals for the club and the ok Jim Hall on league goals.
You’ve got be chip on your shoulder haven’t you?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on October 25, 2021, 08:56:50 am
Careful Manny, he could have put a contract out on us.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Boot and shoe on October 25, 2021, 09:00:58 am
We will miss Sam next saturday - he is playing better now that he has a freer role that isn’t stuck out wide .
I always think he plays better more centrally because his movement is actually quite good .
Hoskins is a division 2 player without doubt but i would guess he would start in most teams in our division.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on October 25, 2021, 09:25:43 am
Hoskins is a division 2 player without doubt.
Agreed.
Yet this is the Rise of Sam Hoskins thread  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 25, 2021, 10:03:42 am
Careful Manny, he could have put a contract out on us.
I think his disgraceful comments say a lot more about what sort of person he is than it does us mate.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 25, 2021, 10:53:55 am
Smart thinking ::), can recall some of the ancient Athenian philosophers saying much the same! You appear to be a disillusioned anti Brexiteer? My point is why do so many Musicians etc appear to support Labour and/or Momentum/Corbyn? Touch of self indulgent thinking in your example of intelligent people!

Classic Evers pseudo intellectual snobbish tosh.

Here’s an Athenian philosopher back at you…
“Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.” ... Aristotle.
You seem very good at using patronising posts and long words made to make you sound clever / others inferior but you seem totally devoid of any empathy, self awareness or care for you fellow man. Pretty much like Manny but at least he’s genuinely funny with it. But you??

Everything comes back to your bigoted political agenda doesn’t it - even our wonderful Super Sam. Shame on you!

Yes, Sammy is a Cobblers legend and in 10 years time, when a lot of the Bigots have “moved on”, he will be properly recognised as such.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: WasRambo on October 25, 2021, 12:01:26 pm
The fact remains that Hoskins is a player that any L2 club would want on their books and probably a few L1 sides too.

You can play him virtually anywhere and he will give 100% (sorry I don't believe in 110%) every time. He clearly loves this club too.

He'll have great days and he'll have those days where he frustrates.

Given how we've all moaned about useless, mercenary players who don't give a $hite anyone with a vindictive grudge about Sam is, well..... a bit silly.

Fine, moan about individual instances where he misses a one on one or a cross hits the first man but hell, I see that in every Prem match on Sky from supposedly the best players in the world...... but continually bashing a guy who has done nothing but bust a gut for this club..... get a grip...


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 25, 2021, 12:06:39 pm
I’ve been one of Sam’s biggest critics but credit where credits due at this level he’s definitely an asset.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 25, 2021, 13:07:10 pm
I’ve been one of Sam’s biggest critics but credit where credits due at this level he’s definitely an asset.


Good on you Manny. Takes a big man to change his mind …
I’ve always liked the guy. Even when my vocal support of him in the Upper West stand received a dozen looks of disgust, incredulity and pity.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on October 25, 2021, 13:16:08 pm
I’ve been one of Sam’s biggest critics but credit where credits due at this level he’s definitely an asset.


Well said, I've criticised his end product too but we are better off with him than without.
Martin Smith on the radio is obviously a fan and he is, as we all know a 'football genius', a title you can now claim for yourself ;) ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on October 25, 2021, 13:47:21 pm
Think he shone in The Long Good Friday!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on October 26, 2021, 11:27:40 am
Classic Evers pseudo intellectual snobbish tosh.

Here’s an Athenian philosopher back at you…
“Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.” ... Aristotle.
You seem very good at using patronising posts and long words made to make you sound clever / others inferior but you seem totally devoid of any empathy, self awareness or care for you fellow man. Pretty much like Manny but at least he’s genuinely funny with it. But you??

Everything comes back to your bigoted political agenda doesn’t it - even our wonderful Super Sam. Shame on you!

Yes, Sammy is a Cobblers legend and in 10 years time, when a lot of the Bigots have “moved on”, he will be properly recognised as such.

Are you ok? More chronic assumptions from an desperate attention seeker.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: southofthecounty on November 04, 2021, 18:14:33 pm
Anyone have a flutter on today's 15.40 at Newbury?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on November 04, 2021, 18:19:32 pm
Anyone have a flutter on today's 15.40 at Newbury?

Perhaps we should change his song slightly ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 04, 2021, 19:33:37 pm
I’ve been one of Sam’s biggest critics but credit where credits due at this level he’s definitely an asset.


I think that's the whole point...."at this level"..... what gets me is that so many people seem to think he's some kind of superstar!! He's a decent League 2 player end of...but he's our decent League 2 player.

"The Rise of Sam Hoskins" is somewhat ironic for a thread title considering he was playing Championship football seven years ago and now he's playing in League 2!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 05, 2021, 00:48:38 am
I think that's the whole point...."at this level"..... what gets me is that so many people seem to think he's some kind of superstar!! He's a decent League 2 player end of...but he's our decent League 2 player.

"The Rise of Sam Hoskins" is somewhat ironic for a thread title considering he was playing Championship football seven years ago and now he's playing in League 2!

It was only to do with his rise through our records but whatever


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 07, 2021, 20:34:22 pm
Whatever was JB thinking taking our Sam off, doesn't he know that is not allowed.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on November 07, 2021, 21:40:04 pm
Even BAS could have stayed on his feet better than Super Sam yesterday!  :o ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 14, 2021, 10:55:47 am
Has now overtaken Willie O'Donnell and Bobby Barnes on overall goals, and John Clarke in appearances.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 14, 2021, 12:28:16 pm
He also probably has more yellow cards than any other player who has played for the Cobblers, todays was totally avoidable. I think if a player gets a suspension he is therefore unavailable for selection and should be fined if it is because of yellows for yapping at the referee, time wasting and giving away unnecessary free kicks. There are times when it is "better to take one for the team" but very few of Sam's fall into that category.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on November 14, 2021, 12:40:40 pm
He also probably has more yellow cards than any other player who has played for the Cobblers, todays was totally avoidable. I think if a player gets a suspension he is therefore unavailable for selection and should be fined if it is because of yellows for yapping at the referee, time wasting and giving away unnecessary free kicks. There are times when it is "better to take one for the team" but very few of Sam's fall into that category.

Nearly all his yellows are avoidable - JB needs to have a word with him, if he hasn't already, as he's an important member of our team.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2021, 14:51:30 pm
Yesterday was his seventh yellow of the season....6th in the league. Its a two game ban for 10 yellows on or before the 37th league game, so he's got to keep his nose cleaner over the next 21 games!!

Since joining us....

2015/16 season..... 42 games.... ONE yellow card
2016/17 season..... 31 games.... ONE yellow card
2017/18 season..... 29 games.... SIX yellow cards
2018/19 season..... 46 games.... TEN yellow cards
2019/20 season..... 47 games.... TEN yellow cards.... ONE red card
2020/21 season..... 49 games..... EIGHT yellow cards
2021/22 season..... 19 games..... SEVEN yellow cards

So that's 43 yellows in 263 games..... he's scored 45 goals for us in that time too!



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on November 14, 2021, 20:55:21 pm
One would hope that we have a fines system for bookings. I never moan to much about getting booked for a mistimed tackle but bookings for dissent should result in a fine. I'm never one to criticize referee's  ;) but, when they've got the decision wrong they are not going to change their minds whatever a player says to them**

** This doesn't include Swindon Town who proved that it is sometimes worth getting in officials faces by getting the ref to change his mind after awarding a goal.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 15, 2021, 12:47:21 pm
GPC - Very interesting stats on Sam's bookings. If you work out the percentage of bookings per each season they are this (not including the red).
2015-16 - 2.38% yellows per game
2016-17 - 3.22%
2017-18 - 20.69%
2018-19 - 21.74%
2019-20 - 21.27%
2020-21 - 16.32%
2021-22 - 36.84%
Assuming he played all 46 games he has gone from 1 yellow in the first 2 seasons then up to 9 and at his current rate if he plays all of the remaining 30 games he will get another 11 yellows and more suspensions.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on November 15, 2021, 17:24:22 pm
Blimey WSO.
Did you mean?
2015/16. A yellow every 42 games
2016/17  .........................31 games
2017/18  .........................4.83 games
2018/19  .........................4.6 games
2019/20  .........................4.7 games
2020/21  .........................6.13 games
2021/22  .........................2.71 games, so far.
If only we knew the minutes he played each season...

Turned into a right nasty little fcuker, hasn't he? 😁


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Peter Frost on November 15, 2021, 17:46:30 pm
Give the man a break - yes some of the bookings are frustrating and seem unnecessary but take that competitive edge out of a player and you probably only get half the player (& half the goals)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 15, 2021, 19:29:04 pm
Peter - unfortunately it is not the "competitive edge" that is the reason for most of his bookings. Usually it is yapping at the referee or pulling back an opposing player by the arm or shirt when he is still midway inside his own half in a non threatening position.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on November 15, 2021, 20:05:27 pm
Peter - unfortunately it is not the "competitive edge" that is the reason for most of his bookings. Usually it is yapping at the referee or pulling back an opposing player by the arm or shirt when he is still midway inside his own half in a non threatening position.
Sadly WSO, you are quite right.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on November 16, 2021, 00:14:04 am
Give the man a break - yes some of the bookings are frustrating and seem unnecessary but take that competitive edge out of a player and you probably only get half the player (& half the goals)

+


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 16, 2021, 10:13:41 am
Evers - I absolutely have nothing against Sam as he always gives 100% and does a lot of tracking back and makes some vital challenges, although for the first goal on Saturday he failed to get off the ground to challenge their scorer at the far post (not sure where Revan was though).
His yellow cards are not for professional fouls (taking one for the team) but generally show a lack of professionalism and for a player in his position he gets far too many. He is not a tough tackling midfield player like McWilliams and you would expect our defenders to pick up more bookings than Sam. Yet our back 4 have a total of 9 yellows (McGowan 3, Horsfall 3, Guthrie 1 and Koiki 2) and Sam has almost this many himself.
The management need to have words with him as he is heading for further suspensions and the next will be 2 matches and then 3 matches. There is no excuse for getting yellow cards for comments to the referee, petty fouls, time wasting and not retreating 10 yards to allow a free kick to be taken.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on November 16, 2021, 12:18:54 pm
Evers - I absolutely have nothing against Sam as he always gives 100% and does a lot of tracking back and makes some vital challenges, although for the first goal on Saturday he failed to get off the ground to challenge their scorer at the far post (not sure where Revan was though).
His yellow cards are not for professional fouls (taking one for the team) but generally show a lack of professionalism and for a player in his position he gets far too many. He is not a tough tackling midfield player like McWilliams and you would expect our defenders to pick up more bookings than Sam. Yet our back 4 have a total of 9 yellows (McGowan 3, Horsfall 3, Guthrie 1 and Koiki 2) and Sam has almost this many himself.
The management need to have words with him as he is heading for further suspensions and the next will be 2 matches and then 3 matches. There is no excuse for getting yellow cards for comments to the referee, petty fouls, time wasting and not retreating 10 yards to allow a free kick to be taken.
Correct. Just makes him look a big wuss.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 16, 2021, 12:28:35 pm
Ain't it funny how some supporters find Sam hard to take to. Me included. I think he does his best. And he's not a bad player. But yet he still seems to annoy me.  ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on January 22, 2022, 17:55:00 pm
...enters the top 20 of all time appearances overtaking Terry Branston, Billy Best, Thomas Thorpe and Derek Leck.
Also overtaken Tony Adcock, Ernie Cockle and Trevor Morley recently in overall goals.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 22, 2022, 18:14:34 pm
...enters the top 20 of all time appearances overtaking Terry Branston, Billy Best, Thomas Thorpe and Derek Leck.
Also overtaken Tony Adcock, Ernie Cockle and Trevor Morley recently in overall goals.

Played out of position today and looked ineffective at times!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 22, 2022, 18:15:28 pm
...enters the top 20 of all time appearances overtaking Terry Branston, Billy Best, Thomas Thorpe and Derek Leck.
Also overtaken Tony Adcock, Ernie Cockle and Trevor Morley recently in overall goals.

I know. Isn’t it a sad indictment of how poor we are these days…


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemaker on January 22, 2022, 18:27:27 pm
Now that sams had time to settle in could someone please tell me what position he plays?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on January 22, 2022, 18:30:32 pm
Wherever he is asked to play because he is so versatile.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemaker on January 22, 2022, 18:33:58 pm
I really hope he stays longer and gets a testimonial.
Maybe he can show his versatility by operating the turnstiles for that match.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on January 22, 2022, 19:49:35 pm
Now that sams had time to settle in could someone please tell me what position he plays?

I would imagine due to his extraordinary skills he is given a free role.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 22, 2022, 21:15:24 pm
I really hope he stays longer and gets a testimonial.
Maybe he can show his versatility by operating the turnstiles for that match.

He is our leading scorer  ::) Not an productive comment?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on February 04, 2022, 13:58:11 pm
Happy Birthday Sam, 29 today and now in his 7th season with us. Celebrate with a goal tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on February 04, 2022, 17:03:14 pm
Happy Birthday Sam, 29 today and now in his 7th season with us. Celebrate with a goal tomorrow.
Happy Birthday Sam, score the winner tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: sxcobbler on February 04, 2022, 17:24:13 pm
I used to stick up for SuperSam against all the abuse he gets........you would hope he would be improving with maturity, sadly it's the reverse imo and as for all his goals ....so many are penalties.
His card count is just plain unnecessary and rarely amounts to taking one for the team.
I can only assume it is ,lol, written in his contract thats he is first on the team sheet & guaranteed to stay on the pitch.

But he was Pat's favourite player , which endears him to me, so C'Mon Sam , Happy Birthday and I hope we see the best of you in the crucial second half of the season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 04, 2022, 19:13:28 pm
I used to stick up for SuperSam against all the abuse he gets........you would hope he would be improving with maturity, sadly it's the reverse imo and as for all his goals ....so many are penalties.
His card count is just plain unnecessary and rarely amounts to taking one for the team.
I can only assume it is ,lol, written in his contract thats he is first on the team sheet & guaranteed to stay on the pitch.

But he was Pat's favourite player , which endears him to me, so C'Mon Sam , Happy Birthday and I hope we see the best of you in the crucial second half of the season.

So just to factcheck......

Super Sam made his debut for us on 8th August 2015 when appearing as a 73rd minute substitute in the league win at Bristol Rovers. His first goal came in his next game when he started and scored in the 3-0 League Cup win over Blackpool at Sixfields.
In his 6 1/2 years with us he has made 197 League starts, plus 39 more appearances off the bench. In total he has started 225 games with 50 substitute appearances in all competitions.

He has scored a total of 47 Cobblers goals, 38 of those in the League.

Of the 38 in the league, 12 have been whilst playing for us in League 1 and 26 have come at League 2 level.

Of his 47 goals, ten have come from the spot, meaning 37 have come from other than the spot. The first penalty he scored for us was on 19th October 2019, more than four years after he made his debut for the club.

26 goals over the past 2 and a half seasons, 10 of which have come from the penalty spot.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on February 04, 2022, 20:23:01 pm
Forget Samuel J. Hoskins, Matthew Crooks is on the telly tonight!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2022, 20:34:16 pm
Forget Samuel J. Hoskins, Matthew Crooks is on the telly tonight!

So is Chris Wilder - did I see Jason Steele?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on February 04, 2022, 20:46:01 pm
So is Chris Wilder - did I see Jason Steele?

Probably. He loves the Smoggies.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 09, 2022, 22:36:28 pm
I used to stick up for SuperSam against all the abuse he gets........you would hope he would be improving with maturity, sadly it's the reverse imo and as for all his goals ....so many are penalties.
His card count is just plain unnecessary and rarely amounts to taking one for the team.
I can only assume it is ,lol, written in his contract thats he is first on the team sheet & guaranteed to stay on the pitch.

But he was Pat's favourite player , which endears him to me, so C'Mon Sam , Happy Birthday and I hope we see the best of you in the crucial second half of the season.

Who is Pat? Just asking that’s all!





Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobblertone on February 10, 2022, 07:26:10 am

26 goals over the past 2 and a half seasons, 10 of which have come from the penalty spot.

How many assists and how many played as a centre forward?
With the amount of appearances and amount of managers who consecutively pick him, he’s doing something right. He’s decent at pens too.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: mr3teas on February 10, 2022, 08:02:44 am
His first team place is now in jeopardy and rightly so he cannot gon on fooling managers Appiah came on for 10 minutes Tuesday night and was more productive than Sam was in 75 minutes


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 10, 2022, 09:06:59 am
His first team place is now in jeopardy and rightly so he cannot gon on fooling managers Appiah came on for 10 minutes Tuesday night and was more productive than Sam was in 75 minutes

Considering Eppiah was up front and Sam was at wing back I'm not sure that's a valid comparison.  ::)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on February 10, 2022, 09:11:24 am
He has been our best 'defender' for years but now we have pace and athleticism throughout the team he might need to up his game and run around even more.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobblertone on February 10, 2022, 09:35:55 am
How many assists and how many played as a centre forward?
With the amount of appearances and amount of managers who consecutively pick him, he’s doing something right. He’s decent at pens too.

Also, in the past two and a half seasons how many Cobblers players have scored more? There can't be too many names, considering he's not a centre forward.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: everbrite on February 10, 2022, 11:26:55 am
Also, in the past two and a half seasons how many Cobblers players have scored more? There can't be too many names, considering he's not a centre forward.



Bit naughty to quote established facts on Sammy. Would not be surprised if he ends up top scorer from multi positional positions! Hope he does 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: CJ on February 10, 2022, 12:12:42 pm


Bit naughty to quote established facts on Sammy. Would not be surprised if he ends up top scorer from multi positional positions! Hope he does 8)
Even naughtier to omit the number of games he's played over that time when compared to others  :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on February 10, 2022, 12:27:50 pm
I don't think Eppiah (not Appiah) was more productive in 10 minutes than Sam was in 75, if why was most of the west stand on it's feet applauding him when he was subbed?. He came very close to scoring in the first half and Eppiah made their 'keeper make a good save but be should have squared the ball to Appere long before as he was unmarked in front of goal.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: everbrite on February 10, 2022, 12:43:59 pm
Even naughtier to omit the number of games he's played over that time when compared to others  :P

Wing back , full back, right wing, centre forward right midfield etc etc it’s not how many games he has played more the multi roles he has been asked to play. His strength is the number of positions he has been asked to fulfill by several managers a true fact sometimes ‘tactfully’ ignored by some! Not you hasten to add😎


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: cobblertone on February 10, 2022, 12:46:01 pm
Even naughtier to omit the number of games he's played over that time when compared to others  :P


How many players (who we’ve had available to pick from in that timeframe) would have scored more goals in as many games?
Asking for a friend  ;D

We need Marvo as not sure if pens don’t count, or only count as half a goal.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: Substitute on February 10, 2022, 12:53:01 pm


How many players (who we’ve had available to pick from in that timeframe) would have scored more goals in as many games?
Asking for a friend  ;D

We need Marvo as not sure if pens don’t count, or only count as half a goal.



Pens only count in away games if scores are equal after 90 mins.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: everbrite on February 10, 2022, 12:55:32 pm
Pens only count in away games if scores are equal after 90 mins.

Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee!😌


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on February 11, 2022, 15:12:42 pm
Quote
I don't think Eppiah (not Appiah) was more productive in 10 minutes than Sam was in 75, if why was most of the west stand on it's feet applauding him when he was subbed?

They were applauding the decision to take him off  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 11, 2022, 15:26:43 pm
They were applauding the decision to take him off  ;D

Only heard applause for Hoskins!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on February 11, 2022, 16:13:27 pm
he might need to up his game and run around even more.

That would have been like asking Usain Bolt to run a bit faster


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CJ on February 11, 2022, 20:00:23 pm
That would have been like asking Usain Bolt to run a bit faster
Yeah, I see what you mean put like that.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 22, 2022, 13:07:29 pm
New two year contract signed...if he carries on the way he has been, he'll end up 4th overall appearance maker behind Fowler, Sampson and Gleasure.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Teachers Pet on February 22, 2022, 13:08:36 pm
Sam Hoskins signs new two and a half year contract.

Good news, hopefully Horsfall, Roberts and McWilliams to follow.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: London cobbler on February 22, 2022, 13:40:08 pm
He signed in 2015 when Buckinghams walked off site, he's signed a new contract until 2024 which is when the leasehold break clause is. Coincidence?!  >:D

Hopefully the first of a few extensions / new contracts


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on February 22, 2022, 14:45:47 pm
This extension proves the ambition of the club.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on February 22, 2022, 14:52:43 pm
This extension proves the ambition of the club.
It sure does.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: Zen Master on February 22, 2022, 15:25:32 pm
Pens only count in away games if scores are equal after 90 mins.
With jumpers for goalposts


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: lordjord on February 22, 2022, 15:29:10 pm
One of the best abilities is availability and that is one thing Sam always is. Outside of his cruciate injury when we were managed by Justin Edinburgh in L1 he has barely missed any time. At L2 he is an effective enough player, that can be utilised in a multitude of positions. Is he good enough to be a starter at a top half L1 side? In mine and most others opinions that is a no. But his attitude and effort cannot be denied.

Look at the additions we have made in January, the majority are already not available for multiple games in a row. I think he has been maligned because in recent years he has been seemingly un-droppable. As a winger he has his limitations, he dosnt really have the trickery to beat men, more so just relies on his pace.

But he has been an excellent servant for the club. Do we need utility players in L1? Yes. Is he very effective in L2? Yes. I know our strikers have not pulled up trees this season but he has clearly outscored all of them combined, so hes doing something right!

It could also be argued this season has been his best ever, therefore he is still improving. I think if we want to solidify ourselves in L1 he should not be a regular starter. But regular off the bench / occasional starts I have no problem with whatsoever.

How many players have been part of 3 promotions with us?!

Roberts, Koiki etc next please.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on February 22, 2022, 15:55:52 pm
Well said lordjord.

Arise Sir Sam.

Also, Samuel Tobias Hoskins - could be straight out of a Dickens or Trollope novel.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on February 23, 2022, 00:25:18 am
I am really pleased the club have secured Sam's services for another two years. I know he polarises opinion at times but I for one would rather have him in our team than playing for the opposition against us. He always seems to be admired by commentators during our brief appearances on TV and by opposing fans when you read their forums.

Well done Sam and thanks for choosing us.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on February 23, 2022, 10:49:34 am
I am also pleased Sam has signed an extended contract but there are 2 things I would like to see him improve.
1. His dead ball corner kick delivery is not as consistently as good as Pinnock's.
2. His disciplinary record, he picks up far too many avoidable yellow cards including another last night.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on February 23, 2022, 11:20:43 am
I am also pleased Sam has signed an extended contract but there are 2 things I would like to see him improve.
1. His dead ball corner kick delivery is not as consistently as good as Pinnock's.
2. His disciplinary record, he picks up far too many avoidable yellow cards including another last night.

Agree with that. Our disciplinary record overall isn't great - 17th worst in L2 to date.

https://fbref.com/en/squads/986a26c1/Northampton-Town-Stats


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 24, 2022, 11:37:16 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/hoskins-admits-he-never-expected-to-stay-at-cobblers-for-so-long-after-penning-another-new-deal-3583798


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on April 30, 2022, 10:15:27 am
Congratulations Sam, hope your new baby boy let you have some sleep last night. Maybe we will be seeing the Hoskins name on a Cobblers team sheet in future years.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on April 30, 2022, 11:47:40 am
Congratulations Sam, hope your new baby boy let you have some sleep last night. Maybe we will be seeing the Hoskins name on a Cobblers team sheet in future years.

That young lad will keep him fit between bedroom, kitchen and nappy change repeat ad finitum!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: SadOldGit on April 30, 2022, 20:21:45 pm
That young lad will keep him fit between bedroom, kitchen and nappy change repeat ad finitum!

Holistic.