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Title: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 03, 2021, 10:17:37 am
Sam Hoskins made his 250th appearance (all competitions) for Northampton against Forest Green, an achievement currently matched by Frank Large. Up next in his sights are John Farrington, Wakeley Gage, Don Martin and John Frain in his next 3 games. This thread will attempt to keep up to date with the rise up the appearance ladder.

With a vocal number of 'supporters' claiming that Sam will 'never be good enough for us', 'has no end product', is 'inconsistant', and 'we will never be good enough to get promoted with him in the team' ... while having the cognitive dissonance to simultaneously claim that all they want from a player is to 'give their all for the club'. Well don't take my view on it but one of the 7 managers to put him in their team - here is Jon Brady;

"He's got two promotions with the club and 250 games shows a lot of loyalty and he's usually up for selection every week because he's fit and he's robust and he's a great servant. He gives everything he's got every time he plays and you can't ask for much more than that. Let's hope he continues making a lot of appearances for this club. I've said before, everyone at this club, we appreciate him and his hard work and his efforts in our team."


Feel free to continue the praise below...


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3063 on September 03, 2021, 10:28:57 am
All I'll say is Sam Hoskins is a very loyal and versatile footballer. Every club needs a Super Sam and hopefully he'll chalk up many more games for our club.

You only miss things/people when you no longer have them and that will be the same with Sam when he does leave one day. He can frustrate at times but most players do at league 1/2 level.

Keep up the good work Sam our super right back, left back, centre back, wing back, midfielder, winger and striker  ;D         


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gazman on September 03, 2021, 10:34:03 am
Sam is our version of James Milner or Gareth Barry, one of those players who fans don't generally appreciate but must be doing something right as manager after manager keeps picking them.
We know his finishing could be better but you can't knock him and the effort and dedication he has put in during his time here. Most other players with 250 games behind them would be given legendary status. I am not saying he should be given that tag but maybe we should accept that he is better than we give him credit for and deserves more respect from the fans. Fair play to him.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gazman on September 03, 2021, 10:34:36 am
All I'll say is Sam Hoskins is a very loyal and versatile footballer. Every club needs a Super Sam and hopefully he'll chalk up many more games for our club.

You only miss things/people when you no longer have them and that will be the same with Sam when he does leave one day. He can frustrate at times but most players do at league 1/2 level.

Keep up the good work Sam our super right back, left back, centre back, wing back, midfielder, winger and striker  ;D         

+1


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 03, 2021, 10:44:01 am
...a few of the players Sam has overtaken in the list over the past year include Fred Lessons, Mike Everitt, Warren Donald, Ray Warburton, Theo Foley and Keith McPherson.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: threeinabed on September 03, 2021, 11:14:47 am
Sam Hoskins made his 250th appearance (all competitions) for Northampton against Forest Green, an achievement currently matched by Frank Large. Up next in his sights are John Farrington, Wakeley Gage, Don Martin and John Frain in his next 3 games. This thread will attempt to keep up to date with the rise up the appearance ladder.

With a vocal number of 'supporters' claiming that Sam will 'never be good enough for us', 'has no end product', is 'inconsistant', and 'we will never be good enough to get promoted with him in the team' ... while having the cognitive dissonance to simultaneously claim that all they want from a player is to 'give their all for the club'. Well don't take my view on it but one of the 7 managers to put him in their team - here is Jon Brady;

"He's got two promotions with the club and 250 games shows a lot of loyalty and he's usually up for selection every week because he's fit and he's robust and he's a great servant. He gives everything he's got every time he plays and you can't ask for much more than that. Let's hope he continues making a lot of appearances for this club. I've said before, everyone at this club, we appreciate him and his hard work and his efforts in our team."


Feel free to continue the praise below...

it's the equivalent of picking someone on a sunday morning because "he turns up every week and collects the subs"


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 03, 2021, 12:10:25 pm
it's the equivalent of picking someone on a sunday morning because "he turns up every week and collects the subs"


Yep, that's why all 7 of the managers he's played under have picked him for the vast majority of games in which he's been available for selection, with him only playing a bit part role under Wilder (who must still have rated him as he was the one that signed him in the first place!)

Sammy is hugely underrated by elements of our support and I've never got it. He's a willing runner, can tackle, is pretty quick, utterly committed and has an incredible engine that sees him running and running for the whole 90 minutes of a match. I think that often sees people sneer at those who will "cheer anyone that runs about a lot", but that sort of tempo adds a lot to the side. On top of all that he's now played in every position except goalkeeper for us at some stage so is the most flexible player we have. He's also tricky and skilful and opponents must hate seeing him run at them.

Yes, his finishing, crossing and passing all vary from the sublime to the ridiculous but given his other attributes, if he could find consistency in any of those last three then he wouldn't be playing for us.

He's been a great servant for the club and I hope he stays with us for years to come.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest49 on September 03, 2021, 12:22:24 pm
He'll never be good enough for some and the usual 'get out' is "it's only because he isn't good enough for anyone else"
Of course this isn't true or else you could pull that out from anyone from Sammo to Messi. Some players are just not journeymen but they are few and far between.

He's a solid, hard working and loyal lower league player, who clearly enjoys playing for the club. I'm sure he wishes his career would have reached greater heights with us, or someone else but he continues to contribute and subsequent managers clearly value his worth.

Congrats on the appearances and the few haters are always gonna hate.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on September 03, 2021, 12:24:47 pm
He gets a thumbs up from me. When we are televised live the commenters all seem to rate him and they should know better than most. Adam Virgo excepted of course.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on September 03, 2021, 12:29:01 pm
Quote from Brady about him having two promotions with the club does appear to be missing the equally relevant fact that he’s got two relegations with the club also. He is someone who’s a reasonable league two player and out of his depth at league one. If he was good enough, bids would have come in. (Just seen cobblestones post, yep I’m one of those you mention 👍🏽).

In fairness he’s  been alright this season so far. Don’t mind him at right back and sooner see that than Harriman. Maybe not saying much there but he’s done okay. I’d have also played him in goal over Mitchell and Cornell.

250 is still impressive regardless so fair play.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on September 03, 2021, 13:53:11 pm
Is someone going to begin a thread 'The Fall(s) of Benny Ashley Seal'?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 03, 2021, 14:05:34 pm
+1

It is clear some on here know better than all the recent Managers incl the great CW! If we had 11 players all with the same attitude we would still be in League One easily; even pushing for the Championship!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on September 03, 2021, 14:12:37 pm
Yep, that's why all 7 of the managers he's played under have picked him for the vast majority of games in which he's been available for selection, with him only playing a bit part role under Wilder (who must still have rated him as he was the one that signed him in the first place!)

Sammy is hugely underrated by elements of our support and I've never got it. He's a willing runner, can tackle, is pretty quick, utterly committed and has an incredible engine that sees him running and running for the whole 90 minutes of a match. I think that often sees people sneer at those who will "cheer anyone that runs about a lot", but that sort of tempo adds a lot to the side. On top of all that he's now played in every position except goalkeeper for us at some stage so is the most flexible player we have. He's also tricky and skilful and opponents must hate seeing him run at them.

Yes, his finishing, crossing and passing all vary from the sublime to the ridiculous but given his other attributes, if he could find consistency in any of those last three then he wouldn't be playing for us.

He's been a great servant for the club and I hope he stays with us for years to come.


You've gone and done it again BOTN.
'He can tackle'
I'm afraid I strongly disagree. If he could tackle he would have made a half decent right (wing) back but he can't so he hasn't.
His legs are far to quick and short for his brain.
He has played 250 times for us but I preferred the 200 appearances that Ryan Gilligham served and I wasn't his biggest fan.
Brady says 250 appearances show a lot of loyalty. Yeah right, so how many better 9r comparable offers has Sammy turned down?
Brady says let's hope be continues to make lots of appearances for us. Please god no. Mr Brady if you want to be a successful you must show a little more ambition than that.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest49 on September 03, 2021, 14:17:09 pm
If he was good enough, bids would have come in. (Just seen cobblestones post, yep I’m one of those you mention 👍🏽).


Maybe low bids have come in, and/or he has had opportunities to move sideways rather than necessarily up and chosen to stay.
Any of that aside, any Cobbler with 250 appearances warrants some respect and we could make a visit long list of examples of a waste of a wage since he joined. We have a couple now.
It is strange how some players get worshipped and others are either boo boys or really divide the support. Prime examples being David Seal who I thought was mediocre at best and Dave Savage who was one of my favourite players and was pretty unpopular. I guess even the popular Bayo drew some criticism. JJOT a great example of crossing over. Gilligan's mediocrity was mainly amplified by the likes of Marvo.
 
You can't please all of the people all of the time and some people will never be pleased.  


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: threeinabed on September 03, 2021, 14:26:13 pm
Yep, that's why all 7 of the managers he's played under have picked him for the vast majority of games in which he's been available for selection, with him only playing a bit part role under Wilder (who must still have rated him as he was the one that signed him in the first place!)

other than wilder, who used him sparingly, as you say yourself - how many left because a better offer came in and how many were sacked because of their poor judgement / selections?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 03, 2021, 15:00:56 pm
other than wilder, who used him sparingly, as you say yourself - how many left because a better offer came in and how many were sacked because of their poor judgement / selections?

That's an irrelevance really, isn't it? It might not have worked out at NTFC for any of them but they are all people who have spent their lives living and working in football, all have far higher coaching qualifications than any of us and also see the players in training most days.  Yes, we can all criticise some of their decisions (and most of us do! ) but I think it's the height of arrogance to decide we know better than all 6 or 7 individuals who have all seemingly rated a player highly enough to pick him most games.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on September 03, 2021, 15:26:11 pm
Like everyone else I am disappointed at times by Sam's end product and decision making, but also I can't fault his energy and commitment and none of us should.
He is frequently picked out by opposition supporters as our best player and I thought that against Forest Green, he was.
I'd love him to make better choices and start scoring more often, but until we find another player to do that I'm glad he's in our team.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: corno_ntfc on September 03, 2021, 19:36:12 pm
Looking forward to the testimonial in a few years time!!!  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on September 03, 2021, 19:51:27 pm
I don't think this club can progress until we say cheerio to Sam Hoskins. We have relied on him for goodness knows how long. Yes he runs around like a blue-arsed fly but quality is not his middle name. He has become a 'go-to' by many managers because you cannot deny his work-rate and they can always defend a poor performance by highlighting his effort. There is no place for him in an attacking dynamic team. He couldn't score in a harem and his final ball is, well, bollocks. We won't move on till he moves on. He is like a poor Rod Stewart tribute, but do you think he's sexy?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 03, 2021, 19:57:31 pm
You've gone and done it again BOTN.
'He can tackle'
I'm afraid I strongly disagree. If he could tackle he would have made a half decent right (wing) back but he can't so he hasn't.
His legs are far to quick and short for his brain.
He has played 250 times for us but I preferred the 200 appearances that Ryan Gilligham served and I wasn't his biggest fan.
Brady says 250 appearances show a lot of loyalty. Yeah right, so how many better 9r comparable offers has Sammy turned down?
Brady says let's hope be continues to make lots of appearances for us. Please god no. Mr Brady if you want to be a successful you must show a little more ambition than that.

You are missing the point but in any case he cleared off the line the other day which is as good as a tackle. If you are comparing Gilligan with Hoskins; I believe Hoskins has been subject of an offer, apparently from a Championship Club. The real point is that this is all to do honesty, loyalty and the ability to play where selected either in a game or actually selected. What has managerial success got to do with ambition without loyalty from your players. Please explain Bowens, Wilders and Carrs success without player loyalty?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Freddie Ramscar on September 03, 2021, 21:30:03 pm
You are missing the point but in any case he cleared off the line the other day which is as good as a tackle. If you are comparing Gilligan with Hoskins; I believe Hoskins has been subject of an offer, apparently from a Championship Club. The real point is that this is all to do honesty, loyalty and the ability to play where selected either in a game or actually selected. What has managerial success got to do with ambition without loyalty from your players. Please explain Bowens, Wilders and Carrs success without player loyalty?

Totally correct Evers. ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on September 03, 2021, 21:41:28 pm
If a player gets an offer from a championship club which would give him a big wage rise but might reduce his playing time and he turns it down for 4th division regular football! Really?

I’d take splinters and financially secure over regular hoofball any day. I’m sure Mark Bunn is gutted over his bank balance warming benches every day.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on September 03, 2021, 21:43:12 pm
Forgot to say I saw him in Morrison’s earlier. I resisted a chorus of Super Sam in the aisles #wildintheaisles


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 03, 2021, 22:37:50 pm
because he's fit and he's robust and he's a great servant.
Basically "well we know he'll be available if need be and with the crocks we usually sign, that's every week"


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 04, 2021, 06:11:58 am
Forgot to say I saw him in Morrison’s earlier. I resisted a chorus of Super Sam in the aisles #wildintheaisles

I saw him in Homesense last weekend. He gets about, doesn't he?  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 04, 2021, 08:35:28 am
Sam Hoskins is shît.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on September 04, 2021, 09:12:31 am
I saw him in Homesense last weekend. He gets about, doesn't he?  ;D
Bet he struggles to get the stuff he wants from off the top shelves.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: bungle on September 04, 2021, 09:27:04 am
Hoskins is a model professional: hardworking, robust, always willing to fill in anywhere to do a job for the team. His character is absolutely unimpeachable and he should be applauded and appreciated by our fanbase.

However, like a lot of 'utility players', the constant switching of position has probably been to the detriment of his development as a footballer. Ben Tozer was a similar victim of the 'utility curse' when he was here and Johnson tried to turn him into a defensive midfielder; in recent years, Michael Duff has allowed him a sustained period of development in his natural position of centre back at Cheltenham and he has now blossomed into a title-winning captain who has just moved clubs for a substantial six-figure fee.

I think the constant switching around has contributed to Hoskins' main weakness: his 'footballing brain' and lack of 'positional sense' - too often he shoots when he should pass, dallies on the ball too long, dribbles up a blind alley or chooses to pass to the wrong teammate.

If we continue to play him as a first choice winger in a 4-4-2 I would be concerned about our overall creativity. His crossing simply isn't good enough to play on the wing in a 4-4-2 IMO, and he doesn't get enough assists. He was brought to the club as a striker and he should return to this position IMO, particularly as Brady called him the most 'natural finisher at the club' (ahead of Rose and BAS) last season. As others have said, he's also good as one of the three behind the striker in a 4-2-3-1, where his capacity to carry the ball at pace can cause problems.

Ultimately, he's been a great servant and I'm glad he's in our squad. It's certainly not his fault that he's been played out of position so much. Managers love him due to his workrate, pressing ability and physical fitness: it's no surprise that they've constantly found a way to shoehorn him in somewhere, but this has often been at the expense of our overall tactical coherence - hence the 'Hoskins dilemma'.  However, if Brady is serious about producing 'bums off seat' football and developing us into a team ultimately capable of sustaining league one status then he needs to resolve the 'Hoskins dilemma' once and for all.




Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Charlatan on September 04, 2021, 09:36:26 am
Hoskins is a model professional: hardworking, robust, always willing to fill in anywhere to do a job for the team. His character is absolutely unimpeachable and he should be applauded and appreciated by our fanbase.

However, like a lot of 'utility players', the constant switching of position has probably been to the detriment of his development as a footballer. Ben Tozer was a similar victim of the 'utility curse' when he was here and Johnson tried to turn him into a defensive midfielder; in recent years, Michael Duff has allowed him a sustained period of development in his natural position of centre back at Cheltenham and he has now blossomed into a title-winning captain who has just moved clubs for a substantial six-figure fee.

I think the constant switching around has contributed to Hoskins' main weakness: his 'footballing brain' and lack of 'positional sense' - too often he shoots when he should pass, dallies on the ball too long, dribbles up a blind alley or chooses to pass to the wrong teammate.

If we continue to play him as a first choice winger in a 4-4-2 I would be concerned about our overall creativity. His crossing simply isn't good enough to play on the wing in a 4-4-2 IMO, and he doesn't get enough assists. He was brought to the club as a striker and he should return to this position IMO, particularly as Brady called him the most 'natural finisher at the club' (ahead of Rose and BAS) last season. As others have said, he's also good as one of the three behind the striker in a 4-2-3-1, where his capacity to carry the ball at pace can cause problems.

Ultimately, he's been a great servant and I'm glad he's in our squad. It's certainly not his fault that he's been played out of position so much. Managers love him due to his workrate, pressing ability and physical fitness: it's no surprise that they've constantly found a way to shoehorn him in somewhere, but this has often been at the expense of our overall tactical coherence - hence the 'Hoskins dilemma'.  However, if Brady is serious about producing 'bums off seat' football and developing us into a team ultimately capable of sustaining league one status then he needs to resolve the 'Hoskins dilemma' once and for all.



Great post Bungle


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 04, 2021, 16:21:27 pm
A goal and an assist today  ;D >:D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bertie on September 04, 2021, 17:49:20 pm
Sam did well today and got his reward. I haven't always been his greatest fan - but have always acknowledged his effort and workrate. He seems to have come on over the last couple of seasons and is now a decent player at this level. Great burst of speed and cross for the first goal, and in the right place for the second. Can't ask much more.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 04, 2021, 17:50:51 pm
I think on todays performance most teams in our division would be pleased to have Sam in their team.

I see another of our under-rated players, Harry Smith, scored another 2 headers today. He showed he was capable of getting on the end of a cross but we rarely provided him with any. His 2 goals today were against Newport County whose manager said " I know how good Harry Smith is I tried all summer to sign him".


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on September 04, 2021, 18:04:30 pm
I like Sammy and always have. I agree with the frustrating failings mentioned here in terms of passing, crossing and decision-making, because he doesn't do these well consistently enough. I also agree that sometimes it feels that he's shoehorned into the side even when he doesn't fit easily into the  formation.

BUT I think he has other key qualities, apart from the obvious ones like pace, work-rate and versatility. A huge proportion of the chances we create involve him, because he makes excellent runs and gets into good positions and does sometimes pass and cross well. He also controls the ball much better than most players at this level. I know that a lot of chances get wasted (often by Sammy himself!), but many wouldn't even be chances without him having done something that other players don't do.

He's a good player at League 2 level in my opinion. If we want to really compete at L1 and above, that's a different story. Anyway, 250 appearances is no mean feat, so congratulations to him and I hope he's a key part of another promotion winning team this season!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 04, 2021, 18:43:56 pm

He's a good player at League 2 level in my opinion. If we want to really compete at L1 and above, that's a different story. Anyway, 250 appearances is no mean feat, so congratulations to him and I hope he's a key part of another promotion winning team this season!

Spot on…


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on September 04, 2021, 19:10:27 pm
Spot on…
And then can we bin him off?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Winslow Lee on September 04, 2021, 19:20:12 pm
There is no place for him in an attacking dynamic team. He couldn't score in a harem and his final ball is, well, bollocks.
Goal and an assist today!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 04, 2021, 20:27:35 pm
he's not black or gay so leave him alone.

umm I hope the way you've phrased that is wrong...cause it doesn't come across well...


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on September 04, 2021, 20:37:07 pm
Sammy is a player we've rather taken for granted, criticising his failings rather than crediting him for his contribution.
Without him the whole team would lack energy. He never hides even when things aren't going well for him and we are lucky to have him.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on September 04, 2021, 21:52:14 pm
other than wilder, who used him sparingly, as you say yourself - how many left because a better offer came in and how many were sacked because of their poor judgement / selections?

Sparingly? In the famous 2015/16 season he started 20 games with 22 as sub. This compares with fellow strikers Rico's 32 starts with 5 as sub and Marquis 13 starts and 2 as sub.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 04, 2021, 21:58:45 pm
I don't think this club can progress until we say cheerio to Sam Hoskins. We have relied on him for goodness knows how long. Yes he runs around like a blue-arsed fly but quality is not his middle name. He has become a 'go-to' by many managers because you cannot deny his work-rate and they can always defend a poor performance by highlighting his effort. There is no place for him in an attacking dynamic team. He couldn't score in a harem and his final ball is, well, bollocks. We won't move on till he moves on. He is like a poor Rod Stewart tribute, but do you think he's sexy?

 8) Judging by your personal details you may have an issue yourself ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 04, 2021, 22:12:34 pm
If a player gets an offer from a championship club which would give him a big wage rise but might reduce his playing time and he turns it down for 4th division regular football! Really?

I’d take splinters and financially secure over regular hoofball any day. I’m sure Mark Bunn is gutted over his bank balance warming benches every day.

One was Wycombe in deep trouble in the Championship; he turned down one and don't blame him at all. Bunn went to a decent Club(s).
.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 04, 2021, 23:26:28 pm
Bit of a pointless debate in my opinion. If Sam consistently had a quality end product there is no way on gods earth he would be playing for us, not with all those other attributes.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on September 04, 2021, 23:33:42 pm
I think on todays performance most teams in our division would be pleased to have Sam in their team.



Absolutely!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 05, 2021, 20:44:20 pm
Forgot to say I saw him in Morrison’s earlier. I resisted a chorus of Super Sam in the aisles #wildintheaisles

 ;D
Which Morrisons?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on September 05, 2021, 20:51:44 pm
Very good yesterday. Good man.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 06, 2021, 09:25:44 am
I expect Sam to produce a lot more for us in his next 250 games than he did in the first now he has that experience.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 06, 2021, 14:08:06 pm
In all honesty Super Sam is a decent L2 player and had a good game on Saturday.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 06, 2021, 14:20:06 pm
In all honesty Super Sam is a decent L2 player and had a good game on Saturday.


Agree with this.

He made a great "between the posts" run for his chance right at the end of the first half, and was very unlucky that the keeper clawed it out.

I do think he's got some poachers ability in him. He just fails more often when given time to think about what to do!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on September 06, 2021, 16:25:09 pm
;D
Which Morrisons?

 At the old Cattle Market Morrison’s. That’s the one near Becketts Park for any younger viewers.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 06, 2021, 22:18:33 pm
At the old Cattle Market Morrison’s. That’s the one near Becketts Park for any younger viewers.

Well spotted - saw Graham Moore in Swanns back in 65/66.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on September 07, 2021, 06:35:46 am
Saw Jason Burnham in Spinadisc.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 07, 2021, 07:05:04 am
Saw Kevin Wilson working as a yard man for a roofers merchant down Letts Road. He loaded up my van for me.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Freddie Ramscar on September 07, 2021, 10:43:46 am


Saw Gary Lineker on TV.

Being given shed loads of my hard earned for doing very little.    ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)




Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Monkey on September 07, 2021, 11:29:02 am
I saw him in Homesense last weekend. He gets about, doesn't he?  ;D

I saw him there too, he bought a couple of nice lamps. I'm interested to know what he bought from Morrisons?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 07, 2021, 11:47:21 am
My grand-daughter had a 'photo taken with him in MK shopping centre.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 07, 2021, 11:48:52 am
I saw him there too, he bought a couple of nice lamps. I'm interested to know what he bought from Morrisons?

He did! He was carrying them as he walked past us on the stairs.

We didn't buy anything in there.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 07, 2021, 12:44:38 pm
Saw Jason Burnham in Spinadisc.

I saw DoK in Harrods Car dept was chatting to Mandy Rice Davies who happened to be in the Car Dept at same time. This was in 1964!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on September 07, 2021, 13:29:22 pm
I saw DoK in Harrods Car dept was chatting to Mandy Rice Davies who happened to be in the Car Dept at same time. This was in 1964!

I saw Clive Oink send Petula Clark a dobbsy on hotmail.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 07, 2021, 14:32:57 pm
I saw Clive Oink send Petula Clark a dobbsy on hotmail.

Doubt it, Petula does not do Oinks; in any case her private life is just that! Bet you don’t know were she lives /domiciled now?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Freddie Ramscar on September 07, 2021, 14:42:09 pm
Doubt it, Petula does not do Oinks; in any case her private life is just that! Bet you don’t know were she lives /domiciled now?

I'll try Paris. ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 07, 2021, 15:35:28 pm
Doubt it, Petula does not do Oinks; in any case her private life is just that! Bet you don’t know were she lives /domiciled now?

Down town?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 07, 2021, 15:58:05 pm

Saw Gary Lineker on TV.

Being given shed loads of my hard earned for doing very little.    ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)




Whilst I don’t mind the man - do people remember how absolutely s***e he was when he first started punditry which goes to show with coaching and a bit of practice anyone can do the job which would suggest he is somewhat overpaid.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on September 07, 2021, 16:15:19 pm
Down town?

Deyn teyn surely, or is it dayn tayn?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 07, 2021, 16:44:41 pm
Whilst I don’t mind the man - do people remember how absolutely s***e he was when he first started punditry which goes to show with coaching and a bit of practice anyone can do the job which would suggest he is somewhat overpaid.
Ahh good old Links the classic privileged socialist, what a complete tôsser.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 07, 2021, 17:10:30 pm
Ahh good old Links the classic privileged socialist, what a complete tôsser.

Possibly but if you are a so called classic privileged socialist you are a complete tosser and if you are a down on your heels socialist it’s either the politics of envy or you didn’t work hard enough……


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on September 07, 2021, 17:11:20 pm
Doubt it, Petula does not do Oinks; in any case her private life is just that! Bet you don’t know were she lives /domiciled now?

She lives on Jubilee Street.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 07, 2021, 17:22:50 pm
She lives on Jubilee Street.

She actually lives up the road from me & a very nice lady she is.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on September 07, 2021, 18:34:21 pm
She lives on Jubilee Street.
A rather marvellous Nick Cave tune


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 07, 2021, 19:52:30 pm
She lives on Jubilee Street.

According to "British Artists Today" she has lived in Geneva for 5 decades and since 2012 has rarely left Geneva! Is Jubilee Street in Geneva?
Petula Sally Olwen Clark, CBE (born 15 November 1932) is a British singer, actress, and composer.  She was for a short time relocated to Warren Camp the Governments WW 2 Evacuee Centre for Children under 16yrs  with 700 other kids. Of course there is another Petula but her surname ended with an e! Some Guy on here must live in Geneva?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 07, 2021, 19:54:15 pm
Possibly but if you are a so called classic privileged socialist you are a complete tosser and if you are a down on your heels socialist it’s either the politics of envy or you didn’t work hard enough……

Quite a few of both!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on September 07, 2021, 20:01:21 pm
According to "British Artists Today" she has lived in Geneva for 5 decades and since 2012 has rarely left Geneva! Is Jubilee Street in Geneva?
Petula Sally Olwen Clark, CBE (born 15 November 1932) is a British singer, actress, and composer.  She was for a short time relocated to Warren Camp the Governments WW 2 Evacuee Centre for Children under 16yrs  with 700 other kids. Of course there is another Petula but her surname ended with an e! Some Guy on here must live in Geneva?

I’m getting a bit of an inkling that you rather like Petula Clark. 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 07, 2021, 20:17:02 pm
I’m getting a bit of an inkling that you rather like Petula Clark. 8)

Similar age ……


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 07, 2021, 20:42:41 pm
Similar age ……

She is 86 I am nearly 91. As you live near her go and ask her to confirm her age, mind you with a bunch of flowers.
Talking about well known socialists why are so many writers, poets, musicians and actors follow/support Labour. Some of their life style is hardly socialist either. Emma Thompson, Martin Freeman and Richard Wilson who all drive expensive luxury cars. Only  like her Down Town Song as it was played at the CG in our hey day. 1965/6. As for her other compositions -  ::) :(


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on September 07, 2021, 22:14:16 pm
According to "British Artists Today" she has lived in Geneva for 5 decades and since 2012 has rarely left Geneva!
She played at Fairport Conventions annual festival at Cropredy, just over the border in Oxfordshire, in August 2017. She was OK


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 08, 2021, 06:18:27 am
She is 86 I am nearly 91. As you live near her go and ask her to confirm her age, mind you with a bunch of flowers.

Oh you mean that Petula - I was referring to to one who lives in Halifax……


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 08, 2021, 06:26:36 am
Talking about well known socialists why are so many writers, poets, musicians and actors follow/support Labour. Some of their life style is hardly socialist either. Emma Thompson, Martin Freeman and Richard Wilson who all drive expensive luxury cars.

I think it’s more a case intelligent people know that no political “system” is ideal and I suspect the people you name rather than embracing hard left policies simply support a degree of equality and social justice - they probably also dislike the current incompetent corrupt administration (which paradoxically does not represent traditional conservative values).


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on September 08, 2021, 06:36:56 am
She is 86 I am nearly 91. As you live near her go and ask her to confirm her age, mind you with a bunch of flowers.
Talking about well known socialists why are so many writers, poets, musicians and actors follow/support Labour. Some of their life style is hardly socialist either. Emma Thompson, Martin Freeman and Richard Wilson who all drive expensive luxury cars. Only  like her Down Town Song as it was played at the CG in our hey day. 1965/6. As for her other compositions -  ::) :(

Creative, intelligent folk who have a bond with others are more likely to be committed to the better side of human existence and can see through the superficiality of greed.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 08:32:02 am
I think it’s more a case intelligent people know that no political “system” is ideal and I suspect the people you name rather than embracing hard left policies simply support a degree of equality and social justice - they probably also dislike the current incompetent corrupt administration (which paradoxically does not represent traditional conservative values).

Smart thinking ::), can recall some of the ancient Athenian philosophers saying much the same! You appear to be a disillusioned anti Brexiteer? My point is why do so many Musicians etc appear to support Labour and/or Momentum/Corbyn? Touch of self indulgent thinking in your example of intelligent people!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on September 08, 2021, 08:39:03 am
Smart thinking ::), can remember some of the ancient Athenian philosophers saying much the same! You appear to be a disillusioned anti Brexiteer? My point is why do so many Musicians etc appear to support Labour and/or Momentum/Corbyn? Touch of self indulgent thinking in your example of intelligent people!
'You can remember'.
Crikey Everbrite, are you really that old? ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 09:04:31 am
Creative, intelligent folk who have a bond with others are more likely to be committed to the better side of human existence and can see through the superficiality of greed.

You are on the wrong forum with that heartfelt opinion of creative intelligent folk :'(
Hoskins a player of apparent modest creative ability, is able to see the pitfalls of moving club for an enhanced salary. So based on your opinion on creative ability Hoskins lacks the intelligence to conform to your Socialist way of thinking? No wonder Labour failed with such superficial way of thinking!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 09:08:50 am
'You can remember'.
Crikey Everbrite, are you really that old? ;D

Nothing wrong with being old, do you not have elderly relatives you are fond of?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest1269 on September 08, 2021, 09:44:35 am
You are on the wrong forum with that heartfelt opinion of creative intelligent folk :'(
Hoskins a player of apparent modest creative ability, is able to see the pitfalls of moving club for an enhanced salary. So based on your opinion on creative ability Hoskins lacks the intelligence to conform to your Socialist way of thinking? No wonder Labour failed with such superficial way of thinking!

I tried to put this in Google Translator and my PC crashed.......................


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 08, 2021, 10:57:03 am
She is 86 I am nearly 91.

Really??  ::)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 11:35:32 am
Really??  ::)

Sorry all meant 81yrs


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on September 08, 2021, 11:40:09 am
You are on the wrong forum with that heartfelt opinion of creative intelligent folk :'(
Hoskins a player of apparent modest creative ability, is able to see the pitfalls of moving club for an enhanced salary. So based on your opinion on creative ability Hoskins lacks the intelligence to conform to your Socialist way of thinking? No wonder Labour failed with such superficial way of thinking!


Crikey, more assumptions there than in an amazon algorithm. Is Hoskins a player of modest creative ability? Has he been offered an enhanced salary elsewhere? Are there pitfalls? Where did I say Hoskins lacks intelligence? Why should he conform to my way of thinking? Who mentioned Socialism? I don't know what 'Labour' has to do with it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 11:45:31 am
I tried to put this in Google Translator and my PC crashed.......................


You would do Einstein, as it was a reply to ‘SOG’. Tried to deflect the thread back on topic to Super Sam?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2021, 11:53:30 am

Crikey, more assumptions there than in an amazon algorithm. Is Hoskins a player of modest creative ability? Has he been offered an enhanced salary elsewhere? Are there pitfalls? Where did I say Hoskins lacks intelligence? Why should he conform to my way of thinking? Who mentioned Socialism? I don't know what 'Labour' has to do with it.

Love it, decent response from a Poet ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 19, 2021, 18:46:43 pm
Sam overtakes Alan Starling on overall appearances tonight..


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 19, 2021, 19:45:59 pm
and matches Steve Phillips overall goals.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on October 20, 2021, 11:22:24 am
and matches Steve Phillips overall goals.

Is Sam on course to be leading scorer this season?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest49 on October 20, 2021, 11:33:53 am
The fact that Etete is now our top scorer (all comps, minutes per goal) is pretty telling. We need one of these forward boys to start hitting the net more frequently. We need him and Sam in double figures. We’ll probably get a fair few more goals from corners. Can’t really see us setting any goal scoring charts alight this season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on October 20, 2021, 12:18:07 pm
The fact that Etete is now our top scorer (all comps, minutes per goal) is pretty telling. We need one of these forward boys to start hitting the net more frequently. We need him and Sam in double figures. We’ll probably get a fair few more goals from corners. Can’t really see us setting any goal scoring charts alight this season.

Goals against might make good viewing😎


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 20, 2021, 16:14:24 pm
Goals against might make good viewing😎
It’s very good indeed Evers we just need to improve the other end.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on October 20, 2021, 21:54:38 pm
Is there a table of former Cobblers players goals scored and appearances made?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 20, 2021, 22:03:40 pm
Is there a table of former Cobblers players goals scored and appearances made?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Northampton_Town_F.C._records_and_statistics


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on October 21, 2021, 07:42:12 am
The munchkin still has a way to go then.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 21, 2021, 17:12:08 pm
The munchkin still has a way to go then.
Fear not CJ Mr. Wonka will have him back to the chocolate factory before long.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on October 23, 2021, 17:18:13 pm
There are 3 certainties in life - death, taxes and Super Sam.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bertie on October 24, 2021, 10:35:00 am
Was interested to hear Martin Smith say yesterday that he felt Sam had really come on in the last 2 seasons. Respect his judgement, and agree. At this level he's an asset, many more positives than negatives.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 24, 2021, 12:43:29 pm
Was interested to hear Martin Smith say yesterday that he felt Sam had really come on in the last 2 seasons. Respect his judgement, and agree. At this level he's an asset, many more positives than negatives.
At this level he’s OK and has improved.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 24, 2021, 20:09:12 pm
The ok 'munchkin' joins the ok Bobby Barnes and Willie O'Donnell on overall goals for the club and the ok Jim Hall on league goals.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on October 24, 2021, 21:12:14 pm
I hope people have come to terms with that in the distant future Sam Hoskins will be revered in awe as a club legend.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 24, 2021, 21:13:22 pm
I hope people have come to terms with that in the distant future Sam Hoskins will be revered in awe as a club legend.
He already is.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 24, 2021, 21:15:48 pm
The ok 'munchkin' joins the ok Bobby Barnes and Willie O'Donnell on overall goals for the club and the ok Jim Hall on league goals.
You’ve got be chip on your shoulder haven’t you?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on October 25, 2021, 07:56:50 am
Careful Manny, he could have put a contract out on us.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest2995 on October 25, 2021, 08:00:58 am
We will miss Sam next saturday - he is playing better now that he has a freer role that isn’t stuck out wide .
I always think he plays better more centrally because his movement is actually quite good .
Hoskins is a division 2 player without doubt but i would guess he would start in most teams in our division.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on October 25, 2021, 08:25:43 am
Hoskins is a division 2 player without doubt.
Agreed.
Yet this is the Rise of Sam Hoskins thread  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 25, 2021, 09:03:42 am
Careful Manny, he could have put a contract out on us.
I think his disgraceful comments say a lot more about what sort of person he is than it does us mate.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 25, 2021, 09:53:55 am
Smart thinking ::), can recall some of the ancient Athenian philosophers saying much the same! You appear to be a disillusioned anti Brexiteer? My point is why do so many Musicians etc appear to support Labour and/or Momentum/Corbyn? Touch of self indulgent thinking in your example of intelligent people!

Classic Evers pseudo intellectual snobbish tosh.

Here’s an Athenian philosopher back at you…
“Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.” ... Aristotle.
You seem very good at using patronising posts and long words made to make you sound clever / others inferior but you seem totally devoid of any empathy, self awareness or care for you fellow man. Pretty much like Manny but at least he’s genuinely funny with it. But you??

Everything comes back to your bigoted political agenda doesn’t it - even our wonderful Super Sam. Shame on you!

Yes, Sammy is a Cobblers legend and in 10 years time, when a lot of the Bigots have “moved on”, he will be properly recognised as such.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: WasRambo on October 25, 2021, 11:01:26 am
The fact remains that Hoskins is a player that any L2 club would want on their books and probably a few L1 sides too.

You can play him virtually anywhere and he will give 100% (sorry I don't believe in 110%) every time. He clearly loves this club too.

He'll have great days and he'll have those days where he frustrates.

Given how we've all moaned about useless, mercenary players who don't give a $hite anyone with a vindictive grudge about Sam is, well..... a bit silly.

Fine, moan about individual instances where he misses a one on one or a cross hits the first man but hell, I see that in every Prem match on Sky from supposedly the best players in the world...... but continually bashing a guy who has done nothing but bust a gut for this club..... get a grip...


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on October 25, 2021, 11:06:39 am
I’ve been one of Sam’s biggest critics but credit where credits due at this level he’s definitely an asset.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 25, 2021, 12:07:10 pm
I’ve been one of Sam’s biggest critics but credit where credits due at this level he’s definitely an asset.


Good on you Manny. Takes a big man to change his mind …
I’ve always liked the guy. Even when my vocal support of him in the Upper West stand received a dozen looks of disgust, incredulity and pity.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on October 25, 2021, 12:16:08 pm
I’ve been one of Sam’s biggest critics but credit where credits due at this level he’s definitely an asset.


Well said, I've criticised his end product too but we are better off with him than without.
Martin Smith on the radio is obviously a fan and he is, as we all know a 'football genius', a title you can now claim for yourself ;) ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on October 25, 2021, 12:47:21 pm
Think he shone in The Long Good Friday!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on October 26, 2021, 10:27:40 am
Classic Evers pseudo intellectual snobbish tosh.

Here’s an Athenian philosopher back at you…
“Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.” ... Aristotle.
You seem very good at using patronising posts and long words made to make you sound clever / others inferior but you seem totally devoid of any empathy, self awareness or care for you fellow man. Pretty much like Manny but at least he’s genuinely funny with it. But you??

Everything comes back to your bigoted political agenda doesn’t it - even our wonderful Super Sam. Shame on you!

Yes, Sammy is a Cobblers legend and in 10 years time, when a lot of the Bigots have “moved on”, he will be properly recognised as such.

Are you ok? More chronic assumptions from an desperate attention seeker.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: southofthecounty on November 04, 2021, 17:14:33 pm
Anyone have a flutter on today's 15.40 at Newbury?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on November 04, 2021, 17:19:32 pm
Anyone have a flutter on today's 15.40 at Newbury?

Perhaps we should change his song slightly ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 04, 2021, 18:33:37 pm
I’ve been one of Sam’s biggest critics but credit where credits due at this level he’s definitely an asset.


I think that's the whole point...."at this level"..... what gets me is that so many people seem to think he's some kind of superstar!! He's a decent League 2 player end of...but he's our decent League 2 player.

"The Rise of Sam Hoskins" is somewhat ironic for a thread title considering he was playing Championship football seven years ago and now he's playing in League 2!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 04, 2021, 23:48:38 pm
I think that's the whole point...."at this level"..... what gets me is that so many people seem to think he's some kind of superstar!! He's a decent League 2 player end of...but he's our decent League 2 player.

"The Rise of Sam Hoskins" is somewhat ironic for a thread title considering he was playing Championship football seven years ago and now he's playing in League 2!

It was only to do with his rise through our records but whatever


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 07, 2021, 19:34:22 pm
Whatever was JB thinking taking our Sam off, doesn't he know that is not allowed.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on November 07, 2021, 20:40:04 pm
Even BAS could have stayed on his feet better than Super Sam yesterday!  :o ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 14, 2021, 09:55:47 am
Has now overtaken Willie O'Donnell and Bobby Barnes on overall goals, and John Clarke in appearances.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 14, 2021, 11:28:16 am
He also probably has more yellow cards than any other player who has played for the Cobblers, todays was totally avoidable. I think if a player gets a suspension he is therefore unavailable for selection and should be fined if it is because of yellows for yapping at the referee, time wasting and giving away unnecessary free kicks. There are times when it is "better to take one for the team" but very few of Sam's fall into that category.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on November 14, 2021, 11:40:40 am
He also probably has more yellow cards than any other player who has played for the Cobblers, todays was totally avoidable. I think if a player gets a suspension he is therefore unavailable for selection and should be fined if it is because of yellows for yapping at the referee, time wasting and giving away unnecessary free kicks. There are times when it is "better to take one for the team" but very few of Sam's fall into that category.

Nearly all his yellows are avoidable - JB needs to have a word with him, if he hasn't already, as he's an important member of our team.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2021, 13:51:30 pm
Yesterday was his seventh yellow of the season....6th in the league. Its a two game ban for 10 yellows on or before the 37th league game, so he's got to keep his nose cleaner over the next 21 games!!

Since joining us....

2015/16 season..... 42 games.... ONE yellow card
2016/17 season..... 31 games.... ONE yellow card
2017/18 season..... 29 games.... SIX yellow cards
2018/19 season..... 46 games.... TEN yellow cards
2019/20 season..... 47 games.... TEN yellow cards.... ONE red card
2020/21 season..... 49 games..... EIGHT yellow cards
2021/22 season..... 19 games..... SEVEN yellow cards

So that's 43 yellows in 263 games..... he's scored 45 goals for us in that time too!



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on November 14, 2021, 19:55:21 pm
One would hope that we have a fines system for bookings. I never moan to much about getting booked for a mistimed tackle but bookings for dissent should result in a fine. I'm never one to criticize referee's  ;) but, when they've got the decision wrong they are not going to change their minds whatever a player says to them**

** This doesn't include Swindon Town who proved that it is sometimes worth getting in officials faces by getting the ref to change his mind after awarding a goal.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 15, 2021, 11:47:21 am
GPC - Very interesting stats on Sam's bookings. If you work out the percentage of bookings per each season they are this (not including the red).
2015-16 - 2.38% yellows per game
2016-17 - 3.22%
2017-18 - 20.69%
2018-19 - 21.74%
2019-20 - 21.27%
2020-21 - 16.32%
2021-22 - 36.84%
Assuming he played all 46 games he has gone from 1 yellow in the first 2 seasons then up to 9 and at his current rate if he plays all of the remaining 30 games he will get another 11 yellows and more suspensions.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on November 15, 2021, 16:24:22 pm
Blimey WSO.
Did you mean?
2015/16. A yellow every 42 games
2016/17  .........................31 games
2017/18  .........................4.83 games
2018/19  .........................4.6 games
2019/20  .........................4.7 games
2020/21  .........................6.13 games
2021/22  .........................2.71 games, so far.
If only we knew the minutes he played each season...

Turned into a right nasty little fcuker, hasn't he? 😁


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Peter Frost on November 15, 2021, 16:46:30 pm
Give the man a break - yes some of the bookings are frustrating and seem unnecessary but take that competitive edge out of a player and you probably only get half the player (& half the goals)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 15, 2021, 18:29:04 pm
Peter - unfortunately it is not the "competitive edge" that is the reason for most of his bookings. Usually it is yapping at the referee or pulling back an opposing player by the arm or shirt when he is still midway inside his own half in a non threatening position.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on November 15, 2021, 19:05:27 pm
Peter - unfortunately it is not the "competitive edge" that is the reason for most of his bookings. Usually it is yapping at the referee or pulling back an opposing player by the arm or shirt when he is still midway inside his own half in a non threatening position.
Sadly WSO, you are quite right.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on November 15, 2021, 23:14:04 pm
Give the man a break - yes some of the bookings are frustrating and seem unnecessary but take that competitive edge out of a player and you probably only get half the player (& half the goals)

+


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 16, 2021, 09:13:41 am
Evers - I absolutely have nothing against Sam as he always gives 100% and does a lot of tracking back and makes some vital challenges, although for the first goal on Saturday he failed to get off the ground to challenge their scorer at the far post (not sure where Revan was though).
His yellow cards are not for professional fouls (taking one for the team) but generally show a lack of professionalism and for a player in his position he gets far too many. He is not a tough tackling midfield player like McWilliams and you would expect our defenders to pick up more bookings than Sam. Yet our back 4 have a total of 9 yellows (McGowan 3, Horsfall 3, Guthrie 1 and Koiki 2) and Sam has almost this many himself.
The management need to have words with him as he is heading for further suspensions and the next will be 2 matches and then 3 matches. There is no excuse for getting yellow cards for comments to the referee, petty fouls, time wasting and not retreating 10 yards to allow a free kick to be taken.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on November 16, 2021, 11:18:54 am
Evers - I absolutely have nothing against Sam as he always gives 100% and does a lot of tracking back and makes some vital challenges, although for the first goal on Saturday he failed to get off the ground to challenge their scorer at the far post (not sure where Revan was though).
His yellow cards are not for professional fouls (taking one for the team) but generally show a lack of professionalism and for a player in his position he gets far too many. He is not a tough tackling midfield player like McWilliams and you would expect our defenders to pick up more bookings than Sam. Yet our back 4 have a total of 9 yellows (McGowan 3, Horsfall 3, Guthrie 1 and Koiki 2) and Sam has almost this many himself.
The management need to have words with him as he is heading for further suspensions and the next will be 2 matches and then 3 matches. There is no excuse for getting yellow cards for comments to the referee, petty fouls, time wasting and not retreating 10 yards to allow a free kick to be taken.
Correct. Just makes him look a big wuss.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 16, 2021, 11:28:35 am
Ain't it funny how some supporters find Sam hard to take to. Me included. I think he does his best. And he's not a bad player. But yet he still seems to annoy me.  ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on January 22, 2022, 16:55:00 pm
...enters the top 20 of all time appearances overtaking Terry Branston, Billy Best, Thomas Thorpe and Derek Leck.
Also overtaken Tony Adcock, Ernie Cockle and Trevor Morley recently in overall goals.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 22, 2022, 17:14:34 pm
...enters the top 20 of all time appearances overtaking Terry Branston, Billy Best, Thomas Thorpe and Derek Leck.
Also overtaken Tony Adcock, Ernie Cockle and Trevor Morley recently in overall goals.

Played out of position today and looked ineffective at times!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 22, 2022, 17:15:28 pm
...enters the top 20 of all time appearances overtaking Terry Branston, Billy Best, Thomas Thorpe and Derek Leck.
Also overtaken Tony Adcock, Ernie Cockle and Trevor Morley recently in overall goals.

I know. Isn’t it a sad indictment of how poor we are these days…


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemaker on January 22, 2022, 17:27:27 pm
Now that sams had time to settle in could someone please tell me what position he plays?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on January 22, 2022, 17:30:32 pm
Wherever he is asked to play because he is so versatile.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemaker on January 22, 2022, 17:33:58 pm
I really hope he stays longer and gets a testimonial.
Maybe he can show his versatility by operating the turnstiles for that match.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on January 22, 2022, 18:49:35 pm
Now that sams had time to settle in could someone please tell me what position he plays?

I would imagine due to his extraordinary skills he is given a free role.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 22, 2022, 20:15:24 pm
I really hope he stays longer and gets a testimonial.
Maybe he can show his versatility by operating the turnstiles for that match.

He is our leading scorer  ::) Not an productive comment?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on February 04, 2022, 12:58:11 pm
Happy Birthday Sam, 29 today and now in his 7th season with us. Celebrate with a goal tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on February 04, 2022, 16:03:14 pm
Happy Birthday Sam, 29 today and now in his 7th season with us. Celebrate with a goal tomorrow.
Happy Birthday Sam, score the winner tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: sxcobbler on February 04, 2022, 16:24:13 pm
I used to stick up for SuperSam against all the abuse he gets........you would hope he would be improving with maturity, sadly it's the reverse imo and as for all his goals ....so many are penalties.
His card count is just plain unnecessary and rarely amounts to taking one for the team.
I can only assume it is ,lol, written in his contract thats he is first on the team sheet & guaranteed to stay on the pitch.

But he was Pat's favourite player , which endears him to me, so C'Mon Sam , Happy Birthday and I hope we see the best of you in the crucial second half of the season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 04, 2022, 18:13:28 pm
I used to stick up for SuperSam against all the abuse he gets........you would hope he would be improving with maturity, sadly it's the reverse imo and as for all his goals ....so many are penalties.
His card count is just plain unnecessary and rarely amounts to taking one for the team.
I can only assume it is ,lol, written in his contract thats he is first on the team sheet & guaranteed to stay on the pitch.

But he was Pat's favourite player , which endears him to me, so C'Mon Sam , Happy Birthday and I hope we see the best of you in the crucial second half of the season.

So just to factcheck......

Super Sam made his debut for us on 8th August 2015 when appearing as a 73rd minute substitute in the league win at Bristol Rovers. His first goal came in his next game when he started and scored in the 3-0 League Cup win over Blackpool at Sixfields.
In his 6 1/2 years with us he has made 197 League starts, plus 39 more appearances off the bench. In total he has started 225 games with 50 substitute appearances in all competitions.

He has scored a total of 47 Cobblers goals, 38 of those in the League.

Of the 38 in the league, 12 have been whilst playing for us in League 1 and 26 have come at League 2 level.

Of his 47 goals, ten have come from the spot, meaning 37 have come from other than the spot. The first penalty he scored for us was on 19th October 2019, more than four years after he made his debut for the club.

26 goals over the past 2 and a half seasons, 10 of which have come from the penalty spot.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on February 04, 2022, 19:23:01 pm
Forget Samuel J. Hoskins, Matthew Crooks is on the telly tonight!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 04, 2022, 19:34:16 pm
Forget Samuel J. Hoskins, Matthew Crooks is on the telly tonight!

So is Chris Wilder - did I see Jason Steele?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on February 04, 2022, 19:46:01 pm
So is Chris Wilder - did I see Jason Steele?

Probably. He loves the Smoggies.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 09, 2022, 21:36:28 pm
I used to stick up for SuperSam against all the abuse he gets........you would hope he would be improving with maturity, sadly it's the reverse imo and as for all his goals ....so many are penalties.
His card count is just plain unnecessary and rarely amounts to taking one for the team.
I can only assume it is ,lol, written in his contract thats he is first on the team sheet & guaranteed to stay on the pitch.

But he was Pat's favourite player , which endears him to me, so C'Mon Sam , Happy Birthday and I hope we see the best of you in the crucial second half of the season.

Who is Pat? Just asking that’s all!





Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest49 on February 10, 2022, 06:26:10 am

26 goals over the past 2 and a half seasons, 10 of which have come from the penalty spot.

How many assists and how many played as a centre forward?
With the amount of appearances and amount of managers who consecutively pick him, he’s doing something right. He’s decent at pens too.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: mr3teas on February 10, 2022, 07:02:44 am
His first team place is now in jeopardy and rightly so he cannot gon on fooling managers Appiah came on for 10 minutes Tuesday night and was more productive than Sam was in 75 minutes


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 10, 2022, 08:06:59 am
His first team place is now in jeopardy and rightly so he cannot gon on fooling managers Appiah came on for 10 minutes Tuesday night and was more productive than Sam was in 75 minutes

Considering Eppiah was up front and Sam was at wing back I'm not sure that's a valid comparison.  ::)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on February 10, 2022, 08:11:24 am
He has been our best 'defender' for years but now we have pace and athleticism throughout the team he might need to up his game and run around even more.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest49 on February 10, 2022, 08:35:55 am
How many assists and how many played as a centre forward?
With the amount of appearances and amount of managers who consecutively pick him, he’s doing something right. He’s decent at pens too.

Also, in the past two and a half seasons how many Cobblers players have scored more? There can't be too many names, considering he's not a centre forward.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: everbrite on February 10, 2022, 10:26:55 am
Also, in the past two and a half seasons how many Cobblers players have scored more? There can't be too many names, considering he's not a centre forward.



Bit naughty to quote established facts on Sammy. Would not be surprised if he ends up top scorer from multi positional positions! Hope he does 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: guest3338 on February 10, 2022, 11:12:42 am


Bit naughty to quote established facts on Sammy. Would not be surprised if he ends up top scorer from multi positional positions! Hope he does 8)
Even naughtier to omit the number of games he's played over that time when compared to others  :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on February 10, 2022, 11:27:50 am
I don't think Eppiah (not Appiah) was more productive in 10 minutes than Sam was in 75, if why was most of the west stand on it's feet applauding him when he was subbed?. He came very close to scoring in the first half and Eppiah made their 'keeper make a good save but be should have squared the ball to Appere long before as he was unmarked in front of goal.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: everbrite on February 10, 2022, 11:43:59 am
Even naughtier to omit the number of games he's played over that time when compared to others  :P

Wing back , full back, right wing, centre forward right midfield etc etc it’s not how many games he has played more the multi roles he has been asked to play. His strength is the number of positions he has been asked to fulfill by several managers a true fact sometimes ‘tactfully’ ignored by some! Not you hasten to add😎


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: guest49 on February 10, 2022, 11:46:01 am
Even naughtier to omit the number of games he's played over that time when compared to others  :P


How many players (who we’ve had available to pick from in that timeframe) would have scored more goals in as many games?
Asking for a friend  ;D

We need Marvo as not sure if pens don’t count, or only count as half a goal.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: Substitute on February 10, 2022, 11:53:01 am


How many players (who we’ve had available to pick from in that timeframe) would have scored more goals in as many games?
Asking for a friend  ;D

We need Marvo as not sure if pens don’t count, or only count as half a goal.



Pens only count in away games if scores are equal after 90 mins.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: everbrite on February 10, 2022, 11:55:32 am
Pens only count in away games if scores are equal after 90 mins.

Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee!😌


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on February 11, 2022, 14:12:42 pm
Quote
I don't think Eppiah (not Appiah) was more productive in 10 minutes than Sam was in 75, if why was most of the west stand on it's feet applauding him when he was subbed?

They were applauding the decision to take him off  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 11, 2022, 14:26:43 pm
They were applauding the decision to take him off  ;D

Only heard applause for Hoskins!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on February 11, 2022, 15:13:27 pm
he might need to up his game and run around even more.

That would have been like asking Usain Bolt to run a bit faster


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3338 on February 11, 2022, 19:00:23 pm
That would have been like asking Usain Bolt to run a bit faster
Yeah, I see what you mean put like that.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 22, 2022, 12:07:29 pm
New two year contract signed...if he carries on the way he has been, he'll end up 4th overall appearance maker behind Fowler, Sampson and Gleasure.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3063 on February 22, 2022, 12:08:36 pm
Sam Hoskins signs new two and a half year contract.

Good news, hopefully Horsfall, Roberts and McWilliams to follow.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3481 on February 22, 2022, 12:40:08 pm
He signed in 2015 when Buckinghams walked off site, he's signed a new contract until 2024 which is when the leasehold break clause is. Coincidence?!  >:D

Hopefully the first of a few extensions / new contracts


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on February 22, 2022, 13:45:47 pm
This extension proves the ambition of the club.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on February 22, 2022, 13:52:43 pm
This extension proves the ambition of the club.
It sure does.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins If
Post by: Zen Master on February 22, 2022, 14:25:32 pm
Pens only count in away games if scores are equal after 90 mins.
With jumpers for goalposts


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: lordjord on February 22, 2022, 14:29:10 pm
One of the best abilities is availability and that is one thing Sam always is. Outside of his cruciate injury when we were managed by Justin Edinburgh in L1 he has barely missed any time. At L2 he is an effective enough player, that can be utilised in a multitude of positions. Is he good enough to be a starter at a top half L1 side? In mine and most others opinions that is a no. But his attitude and effort cannot be denied.

Look at the additions we have made in January, the majority are already not available for multiple games in a row. I think he has been maligned because in recent years he has been seemingly un-droppable. As a winger he has his limitations, he dosnt really have the trickery to beat men, more so just relies on his pace.

But he has been an excellent servant for the club. Do we need utility players in L1? Yes. Is he very effective in L2? Yes. I know our strikers have not pulled up trees this season but he has clearly outscored all of them combined, so hes doing something right!

It could also be argued this season has been his best ever, therefore he is still improving. I think if we want to solidify ourselves in L1 he should not be a regular starter. But regular off the bench / occasional starts I have no problem with whatsoever.

How many players have been part of 3 promotions with us?!

Roberts, Koiki etc next please.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on February 22, 2022, 14:55:52 pm
Well said lordjord.

Arise Sir Sam.

Also, Samuel Tobias Hoskins - could be straight out of a Dickens or Trollope novel.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on February 22, 2022, 23:25:18 pm
I am really pleased the club have secured Sam's services for another two years. I know he polarises opinion at times but I for one would rather have him in our team than playing for the opposition against us. He always seems to be admired by commentators during our brief appearances on TV and by opposing fans when you read their forums.

Well done Sam and thanks for choosing us.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on February 23, 2022, 09:49:34 am
I am also pleased Sam has signed an extended contract but there are 2 things I would like to see him improve.
1. His dead ball corner kick delivery is not as consistently as good as Pinnock's.
2. His disciplinary record, he picks up far too many avoidable yellow cards including another last night.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on February 23, 2022, 10:20:43 am
I am also pleased Sam has signed an extended contract but there are 2 things I would like to see him improve.
1. His dead ball corner kick delivery is not as consistently as good as Pinnock's.
2. His disciplinary record, he picks up far too many avoidable yellow cards including another last night.

Agree with that. Our disciplinary record overall isn't great - 17th worst in L2 to date.

https://fbref.com/en/squads/986a26c1/Northampton-Town-Stats


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 24, 2022, 10:37:16 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/hoskins-admits-he-never-expected-to-stay-at-cobblers-for-so-long-after-penning-another-new-deal-3583798


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on April 30, 2022, 09:15:27 am
Congratulations Sam, hope your new baby boy let you have some sleep last night. Maybe we will be seeing the Hoskins name on a Cobblers team sheet in future years.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on April 30, 2022, 10:47:40 am
Congratulations Sam, hope your new baby boy let you have some sleep last night. Maybe we will be seeing the Hoskins name on a Cobblers team sheet in future years.

That young lad will keep him fit between bedroom, kitchen and nappy change repeat ad finitum!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on April 30, 2022, 19:21:45 pm
That young lad will keep him fit between bedroom, kitchen and nappy change repeat ad finitum!

Holistic.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on May 20, 2022, 11:07:24 am
well, end of the season, Sam is now placed 16th in the all time appearances list, overtaking Stuart Robertson, Graham Felton and Barry Lines amongst others. 4 games off 300.

and has also recently overtaken Derek Leck, Jamie Forrester, Lines, Richard Hill and England international Billy Pease in overall goals.
He is 1 behind Cliff Holton, George Reilly and Phil Chard.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest49 on May 20, 2022, 11:30:46 am
People will always argue 'legend' status but he's one of our better players. He creates opportunities, he scores goals, has an excellent fitness record and usually makes a positive contribution...his set pieces were gash the other night though.  :P

I'd definitely rather have him in the team and as long as he remains injury free I am sure he will move up the charts.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: threeinabed on May 20, 2022, 14:13:51 pm
People will always argue 'legend' status but he's one of our better players. He creates opportunities, he scores goals, has an excellent fitness record and usually makes a positive contribution...his set pieces were gash the other night though.  :P

I'd definitely rather have him in the team and as long as he remains injury free I am sure he will move up the charts.

funny how different people see it - in my eyes, if he is our most potent attacking force then it just shows how weak we are in that area. Too many bad days over good.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest49 on May 20, 2022, 15:14:36 pm
funny how different people see it - in my eyes, if he is our most potent attacking force then it just shows how weak we are in that area. Too many bad days over good.

We are clearly very weak up front. He’s not an out and out striker but regularly chips in with goals. He gives bags of effort, energy and importantly for us is very reliable. I noted that he was encouraging our other players the other night with 5 minutes left.
Half of our squad spend various spells on the treatment bench.
I’m not a Sammy lover but I’m a fan and appreciate his service. The truth is we’re a solid lower league team and would be unfair to single him out as the reason for that. I’d take him every time over a lot of the crap we have to endure.
It’s been said many times but the fact that multiple managers have consistently picked him counts for something.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on May 21, 2022, 12:17:21 pm
Equal 11th League Two goal scorer season 2021/22. Same number of goals as Harry Smith.

He's had a fine season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 24, 2022, 14:45:15 pm
Very low down on the chrons average ratings for the season


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Saint Cobbler on May 24, 2022, 16:55:20 pm
Equal 11th League Two goal scorer season 2021/22. Same number of goals as Harry Smith.

He's had a fine season.
Plus, he does a lot more than Harry ever did in other areas of the pitch.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on May 24, 2022, 18:35:06 pm
Very low down on the chrons average ratings for the season

3rd on this forum's POTS mind.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Grove on May 24, 2022, 19:40:55 pm
3rd on this forum's POTS mind.

Given the fact that he played every single game , hes likely to glean the most points


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 24, 2022, 21:32:51 pm
There is no logic to my dislike (a bit strong) of the vertically challenged one… Just can’t take to the chap.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on May 25, 2022, 07:18:54 am
Super Sam is a reasonable player to have in L2.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: West Stand on May 25, 2022, 08:24:50 am
If we were signing a player this summer with 13 goals and 9  assists in the previous League 2 season this think most of us would be happy. 

Some fans will never be happy. Unfortunately for then, they don't realise it Have a look as the Posh message boards, Facebook pages. Think you will be happy with top league 1 football with the occasional trip to the Championship. If you are not happy now you won't be then.

 







Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on May 25, 2022, 09:33:50 am
it's the equivalent of picking someone on a sunday morning because "he turns up every week and collects the subs"


Simplistic and daft comparison :o


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 25, 2022, 11:56:14 am
If we were signing a player this summer with 13 goals and 9  assists in the previous League 2 season this think most of us would be happy. 

Some fans will never be happy. Unfortunately for then, they don't realise it Have a look as the Posh message boards, Facebook pages. Think you will be happy with top league 1 football with the occasional trip to the Championship. If you are not happy now you won't be then.

 







That’s a bit of generalisation. It’s possible to have a dislike of something, whilst still acknowledging the merits of it. It has no association with happiness.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on May 25, 2022, 17:43:46 pm
Given the fact that he played every single game , hes likely to glean the most points

He didn't and he didn't. Keep trying. ::)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Grove on May 25, 2022, 18:30:31 pm
He didn't and he didn't. Keep trying. ::)
Given that he played more games than most, he should pick up most points


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: bungle on May 25, 2022, 19:53:41 pm
If we were signing a player this summer with 13 goals and 9  assists in the previous League 2 season this think most of us would be happy. 


This. Add in his work-rate and defensive pressing capacity and it's hard to not see him as one of the most effective attacking midfielders in the division.

If our no.10 Paul Lewis (6 goals and 1 assist) had anything like Hoskins' output then we would have been promoted comfortably. That's the position which we really need to prioritise in our recruitment for next season.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on May 25, 2022, 20:44:56 pm
This. Add in his work-rate and defensive pressing capacity and it's hard to not see him as one of the most effective attacking midfielders in the division.

If our no.10 Paul Lewis (6 goals and 1 assist) had anything like Hoskins' output then we would have been promoted comfortably. That's the position which we really need to prioritise in our recruitment for next season.


Perhaps but with three defenders possibly leaving they are more important to replace.  We need a goal scoring forward along side Appere, another midfielder with some creative talent and right winger. If signings are decent we should imo revert back to 4 4 2. Also a lot depends if Appere starts to score on some sort of regular basis?                                                                                                                                                                                                                               


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 04, 2022, 20:59:05 pm
funny how different people see it - in my eyes, if he is our most potent attacking force then it just shows how weak we are in that area. Too many bad days over good.

You don’t half mess around with arguments which fail to strike home!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on June 05, 2022, 11:24:23 am
So you don't think we are weak in attack?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 05, 2022, 16:23:27 pm
So you don't think we are weak in attack?

Your missing the point! It’s not that we are weak in attack but more the strange argument that because we are so, then Hoskins merely emphasises that weakness!  Just about an indefensible theme to present an argument. Why denigrate a player who has scored 14 goals this season. Indeed why do you need to be aimlessly cynical or merely an argument to suit your current agenda on Hoskins! How about explaining we had two half backs who between them equalled Hoskins 14 goals?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on June 05, 2022, 16:33:55 pm
Loads of interest in Hoskins across a couple of divisions.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 05, 2022, 16:35:56 pm
Loads of interest in Hoskins across a couple of divisions.

That’s good… I can’t see him leaving the velvet rut he enjoys currently.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 05, 2022, 16:59:49 pm
Loads of interest in Hoskins across a couple of divisions.

Who for instance?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on June 05, 2022, 17:04:28 pm
Your missing the point! It’s not that we are weak in attack but more the strange argument that because we are so, then Hoskins merely emphasises that weakness!  Just about an indefensible theme to present an argument. Why denigrate a player who has scored 14 goals this season. Indeed why do you need to be aimlessly cynical or merely an argument to suit your current agenda on Hoskins! How about explaining we had two half backs who between them equalled Hoskins 14 goals?

It was only 13 m8.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 05, 2022, 18:15:34 pm
Who for instance?

Not me, for one..


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on June 05, 2022, 18:21:51 pm
Your missing the point! It’s not that we are weak in attack but more the strange argument that because we are so, then Hoskins merely emphasises that weakness!  Just about an indefensible theme to present an argument. Why denigrate a player who has scored 14 goals this season. Indeed why do you need to be aimlessly cynical or merely an argument to suit your current agenda on Hoskins! How about explaining we had two half backs who between them equalled Hoskins 14 goals?
ok because you're a bit weird i'll try and expalin it a bit more simply.

when sam hoskins is your top scoring forward then the others must be really poor

ps we are weak in attack - you may have noticed that the reason we didn't get promotion was because we didn't score enough goals


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on June 05, 2022, 18:42:48 pm
Who for instance?

Yelvertoft, Creaton and Aldwincle for starters.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 06, 2022, 18:16:06 pm
Yelvertoft, Creaton and Aldwincle for starters.

So no EFL teams ?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 06, 2022, 19:39:05 pm
ok because you're a bit weird i'll try and expalin it a bit more simply.

when sam hoskins is your top scoring forward then the others must be really poor

ps we are weak in attack - you may have noticed that the reason we didn't get promotion was because we didn't score enough goals


Bit pointless calling people weird when the hat fits you too!

Sentence No 2 is a rhetorical statement; poor old Hoskins outscoring the strikers, what a banal statement. Do you want him to apologise for doing that! However it's an undisputed fact so well done.

Weak in attack/scoring goals, just about every Poster on here has echoed that including me in early August ('21)! The last sentence - "we didn't score enough goals" .  Factually correct if you wish to ignore the circumstances behind the Rovers result for which no manager can plan or cater for!

More plausible reasons for failure is for example; to beat Barrow(h) and not winning at Scu*thorpe.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on June 06, 2022, 19:46:54 pm
So no EFL teams ?

You are either taking the pith or related to Walter Mitty.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 06, 2022, 20:11:19 pm
You are either taking the pith or related to Walter Mitty.

Would never take the proverbial against a God Fearing Poster!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: bungle on June 06, 2022, 20:38:16 pm

when sam hoskins is your top scoring forward then the others must be really poor

ps we are weak in attack - you may have noticed that the reason we didn't get promotion was because we didn't score enough goals


Ok, but Hoskins doesn't play as a striker and shouldn't be judged as such- he played the majority of a season as an inside forward in a 4-2-3-1 and then the rest of the season as a wide forward in a 4-3-3/4-5-1.

13 goals, 9 assists (22 direct goal involvements) and probably the best pressing capacity of any forward player in the league is an excellent output for a inside forward/inverted winger. Don't judge him as a striker because that's not his role in team.

From a League Two perspective, Hoskins is as good as it gets and I find the criticism he gets baffling - we are lucky to have him. There is a different debate to be had when it comes to the proposition of Hoskins as a starter in League One, but we ain't there yet so it's a moot point. In any case, he's just had his best season for us and I'd say he's very much on an upward curve in terms of improvement and end product.

We didn't score enough goals because we didn't create enough chances - it wasn't a case of poor finishing; the chances simply weren't there to be finished in the first place. That's not Hoskins' fault and it's certainly not the fault of his fellow wideman Pinnock who finished top of the league for assists. As I've said before, the lack of chance creation from central areas was the problem which Brady needs to address - replacing Lewis with a decent playmaker and continuing to develop Appere as a Harry-Kane-style withdrawn playmaker targetman should go some way to improving things.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gaston on June 08, 2022, 12:12:46 pm
Not a super fan of Hoskins. He has more pros than cons. This season Brady starts him, but when he has one of those games when he is ineffective (which happens. No problem), Brady doesn’t take him off. A fantastic squad player. The reason he hasn’t left like many of the decent players that have, is no one has offered him better terms. You must ask yourself why is that? For me, his biggest problem is in his head. Doesn’t have a game brain.

He will never make my all time Cobblers XI.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on June 08, 2022, 12:31:12 pm
Not a super fan of Hoskins. He has more pros than cons. This season Brady starts him, but when he has one of those games when he is ineffective (which happens. No problem), Brady doesn’t take him off. A fantastic squad player. The reason he hasn’t left like many of the decent players that have, is no one has offered him better terms. You must ask yourself why is that? For me, his biggest problem is in his head. Doesn’t have a game brain.

He will never make my all time Cobblers XI.


What is a game brain ?

An all time Cobblers XI is a very high bar to cross. How far back does your XI go ?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on June 08, 2022, 12:31:28 pm
Ok, but Hoskins doesn't play as a striker and shouldn't be judged as such- he played the majority of a season as an inside forward in a 4-2-3-1 and then the rest of the season as a wide forward in a 4-3-3/4-5-1.

13 goals, 9 assists (22 direct goal involvements) and probably the best pressing capacity of any forward player in the league is an excellent output for a inside forward/inverted winger. Don't judge him as a striker because that's not his role in team.

From a League Two perspective, Hoskins is as good as it gets and I find the criticism he gets baffling - we are lucky to have him. There is a different debate to be had when it comes to the proposition of Hoskins as a starter in League One, but we ain't there yet so it's a moot point. In any case, he's just had his best season for us and I'd say he's very much on an upward curve in terms of improvement and end product.

We didn't score enough goals because we didn't create enough chances - it wasn't a case of poor finishing; the chances simply weren't there to be finished in the first place. That's not Hoskins' fault and it's certainly not the fault of his fellow wideman Pinnock who finished top of the league for assists. As I've said before, the lack of chance creation from central areas was the problem which Brady needs to address - replacing Lewis with a decent playmaker and continuing to develop Appere as a Harry-Kane-style withdrawn playmaker targetman should go some way to improving things.
Brilliant post, borderline genius. I could read your posts all day.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3063 on June 08, 2022, 12:36:54 pm
Brilliant post, borderline genius. I could read your posts all day.

Don't tell him that....we don't want his head any bigger than it already is  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on June 08, 2022, 12:49:26 pm
Don't tell him that....we don't want his head any bigger than it already is  ;D
People can moan about this forum as much as they like. But when you get GPCs pre match summary and Bungles post match analysis it’s a bloody good read.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3063 on June 08, 2022, 14:07:16 pm
People can moan about this forum as much as they like. But when you get GPCs pre match summary and Bungles post match analysis it’s a bloody good read.

Absolutely, don't forget West Stand Oap's pre-match summary also. Like you say, all a good read.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Peter Frost on June 08, 2022, 14:55:07 pm
I just don’t get the knockers here - in a p!ss poor division with few players that catch the eye and if he was playing for the opposition he would be the one people were saying why can’t we have a player like that - scoring a lot of goals from a non striker position, plays anywhere, tracks back and can also defend , covers every inch of the pitch etc etc - sure he doesn’t get everything right and I don’t think his footballing brain is as sharp as some but at this level 100% an asset


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gaston on June 08, 2022, 14:55:26 pm
What is a game brain ?

An all time Cobblers XI is a very high bar to cross. How far back does your XI go ?

Game brain. His in game decisions. He doesn’t see a pass, doesn’t pick the right pass. Often just runs into dead ends. He is a work horse, every team needs one or two. His work ethic is unrivalled.

My cobblers XI would be from mid 90’s. To be honest hd wouldn’t even get in a team of his time at the Cobblers.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DrillingCobbler on June 08, 2022, 16:03:51 pm
Game brain. His in game decisions. He doesn’t see a pass, doesn’t pick the right pass. Often just runs into dead ends. He is a work horse, every team needs one or two. His work ethic is unrivalled.

My cobblers XI would be from mid 90’s. To be honest hd wouldn’t even get in a team of his time at the Cobblers.

I *think* this is where peoples confusion comes from. When those say 'Hoskins is a decent player' they are always counteracted by comments such as 'if he's our top striker, then that shows how sh1t our forwards are' or 'he's been here 5/6/7 years and blah blah blah'. And of course my own favourite 'he only signs his contracts quickly because no one else would offer him a deal'!!

NO COBBLERS fan who has been around for more than a very short period would have Hoskins in his/her topX1. But it seems that people who continually slag him off think a club at our level (or just above) can easily replace such a player with better. History shows that isn't the case.

I reckon we've gone through on average (incl. loans) 25-30 players a season for the last 30 years or so...which makes about 750-800 players. Sam would be in my top 100 in terms of ability easily....and then the work rate, the loyalty, the off the ball qualities he has in abundance.

No doubt people will read this and think, 'yeah we've had some right sh1t' during that time which they will of course be right on! BUT. At this level and around this level, its extremely difficult to find a player who fits in well with multiple styles of play, rarely gets injured, chips in with a few goals and assists, chases everything and is very loyal. We are VERY lucky to have Mr Hoskins....and long may he continue to be a Cobbler!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on June 08, 2022, 17:21:11 pm
I *think* this is where peoples confusion comes from. When those say 'Hoskins is a decent player' they are always counteracted by comments such as 'if he's our top striker, then that shows how sh1t our forwards are' or 'he's been here 5/6/7 years and blah blah blah'. And of course my own favourite 'he only signs his contracts quickly because no one else would offer him a deal'!!

NO COBBLERS fan who has been around for more than a very short period would have Hoskins in his/her topX1. But it seems that people who continually slag him off think a club at our level (or just above) can easily replace such a player with better. History shows that isn't the case.

I reckon we've gone through on average (incl. loans) 25-30 players a season for the last 30 years or so...which makes about 750-800 players. Sam would be in my top 100 in terms of ability easily....and then the work rate, the loyalty, the off the ball qualities he has in abundance.

No doubt people will read this and think, 'yeah we've had some right sh1t' during that time which they will of course be right on! BUT. At this level and around this level, its extremely difficult to find a player who fits in well with multiple styles of play, rarely gets injured, chips in with a few goals and assists, chases everything and is very loyal. We are VERY lucky to have Mr Hoskins....and long may he continue to be a Cobbler!
Fûck me with a rag mans trumpet, you’ve just described my dog.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on June 08, 2022, 18:54:29 pm
Fûck me with a rag mans trumpet, you’ve just described my dog.

You have that many dogs a season? Are you some sort of greyhound trainer.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 09, 2022, 06:49:20 am
Is nobody going to even mention his little legs to counteract all these positives



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 09, 2022, 09:32:21 am
Game brain. His in game decisions. He doesn’t see a pass, doesn’t pick the right pass. Often just runs into dead ends. He is a work horse, every team needs one or two. His work ethic is unrivalled.

My cobblers XI would be from mid 90’s. To be honest hd wouldn’t even get in a team of his time at the Cobblers.

So how long have you been supporting the Cobblers to opine a dream team from the mid ‘90’s? Genuine query please.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 09, 2022, 09:43:28 am
So how long have you been supporting the Cobblers to opine a dream team from the mid ‘90’s? Genuine query please.

Bloody hell, doesn't 27 or 28 years qualify him as a proper supporter then?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 09, 2022, 10:22:02 am
Bloody hell, doesn't 27 or 28 years qualify him as a proper supporter then?

It’s a narrow selection perspective why not from ‘80’s? For me it’s not about how long you have been watching; more awareness of other players like Sabin?
I see you have not lost your argumentative side ::)




Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on June 09, 2022, 10:39:23 am
You have that many dogs a season? Are you some sort of greyhound trainer.
Just the one, who, like Sam runs around a lot and is Loyal.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 09, 2022, 11:00:25 am
It’s a narrow selection perspective why not from ‘80’s? For me it’s not about how long you have been watching; more awareness of other players like Sabin?
I see you have not lost your argumentative side ::)




I suspect that, like me, he's only been watching the Cobblers since the mid nineties. If you never saw any players from the 80s play then it's pretty difficult to compare them to the players you have seen.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 09, 2022, 11:08:53 am
I suspect that, like me, he's only been watching the Cobblers since the mid nineties. If you never saw any players from the 80s play then it's pretty difficult to compare them to the players you have seen.

For Sabin please read George Reilly - my error.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on June 09, 2022, 11:17:05 am
For Sabin please read George Reilly - my error.

Come on Evers, I struggle to see how you can get Reilly and Sabin mixed up, they were not really alike  !  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on June 09, 2022, 12:08:44 pm
Just the one, who, like Sam runs around a lot and is Loyal.

Is it your favourite dog?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on June 09, 2022, 12:19:37 pm
He wears a Rangers Dog Bandana so yeah he’s a top dog.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 09, 2022, 13:09:09 pm
Come on Evers, I struggle to see how you can get Reilly and Sabin mixed up, they were not really alike  !  ;D

For some unknown reason I counted Eric as an 80’s player when he wasn’t but George was!
 Like quite a few on don’t really agree with some of the negative opinions on Sam. For instance young Gaston comes on with pretty unpleasant comments on Hoskins and for whom he has no real positives to offer.
Also I briefly met Terry at an away game late last season. Without any patronising stance the impression I got he was an articulate person and am surprised he now denigrates Sam for his height/and or short legs! Perhaps it is a wind up :o  Yet Sam is a player who yet again is amongst our leading scorers; from playing where the manager(s) wants him to play from right back to right midfield then to winger to occasional striker. As Manny jokingly suggested - goalie! Everybody has a right to an opinion and to be challenged in return. Personal comments should be treated with disdain!
Onto John Brady who I believe was very unlucky not to achieve a deserved promotion. A lucky Manager is a real bonus for us like Wilder and Bowen who went onto achieve great things for NTFC. Certainly he deserves another shot for the coming season and hope he is successful.
 


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 09, 2022, 13:30:25 pm
I suspect that, like me, he's only been watching the Cobblers since the mid nineties. If you never saw any players from the 80s play then it's pretty difficult to compare them to the players you have seen.

My father often quoted players like Alan Woan, Freddie Ramscar, Cliff Hilton and Jack English let alone the Trevor Morley’s of the late 80’s.My point is dream teams can include comparisons with former players rather than a solo critical effort on one player! May make the post more interesting? Another point is for instance young Gaston will have a father or grandfather who saw players in the late 80’s?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on June 09, 2022, 16:54:29 pm
Also I briefly met Terry at an away game late last season. Without any patronising stance the impression I got he was an articulate person and am surprised he now denigrates Sam for his height/and or short legs

Fenners?!? Articulate!?! I suspect an imposter. Next you'll be telling us that His Excellency, The Marquis is a handsome young man or that Deepcut is a peace loving hippy.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on June 09, 2022, 17:27:36 pm
For some unknown reason I counted Eric as an 80’s player when he wasn’t but George was!
 Like quite a few on don’t really agree with some of the negative opinions on Sam. For instance young Gaston comes on with pretty unpleasant comments on Hoskins and for whom he has no real positives to offer.
Also I briefly met Terry at an away game late last season. Without any patronising stance the impression I got he was an articulate person and am surprised he now denigrates Sam for his height/and or short legs! Perhaps it is a wind up :o  Yet Sam is a player who yet again is amongst our leading scorers; from playing where the manager(s) wants him to play from right back to right midfield then to winger to occasional striker. As Manny jokingly suggested - goalie! Everybody has a right to an opinion and to be challenged in return. Personal comments should be treated with disdain!
Onto John Brady who I believe was very unlucky not to achieve a deserved promotion. A lucky Manager is a real bonus for us like Wilder and Bowen who went onto achieve great things for NTFC. Certainly he deserves another shot for the coming season and hope he is successful.


Seeing Danny Rose grab the gloves to go in goal at Barrow, there is still a possibility of Sammy being able to complete the positional set.  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on June 09, 2022, 18:18:44 pm
He wears a Rangers Dog Bandana so yeah he’s a top dog.

Has he got a claret and white one too?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 09, 2022, 22:54:03 pm
Fenners?!? Articulate!?! I suspect an imposter. Next you'll be telling us that His Excellency, The Marquis is a handsome young man or that Deepcut is a peace loving hippy.

Well (Terry) he was standing talking with Deepo about Pelopidas compared with Leonidas. Might have seen Marquis at a Barnet game some years ago but don't know him. Bit too cynical for me but in his defence has dry even caustic wit! Now he has a young family cannot imagine him reading a bed time story from Wind in the Willows! Would say Deepo is a bit of a gentleman. Are you going to Bradford next season?  If not you cannot comment on the game!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on June 09, 2022, 23:11:26 pm
Well (Terry) he was standing talking with Deepo about Pelopidas compared with Leonidas. Might have seen Marquis at a Barnet game some years ago but don't know him. Bit too cynical for me but in his defence has dry even caustic wit! Now he has a young family cannot imagine him reading a bed time story from Wind in the Willows! Would say Deepo is a bit of a gentleman. Are you going to Bradford next season?  If not you cannot comment on the game!

It was Poloponies... ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on June 10, 2022, 11:00:52 am
Seeing Danny Rose grab the gloves to go in goal at Barrow, there is still a possibility of Sammy being able to complete the positional set.  ;D
I was gutted to see Danny Rose go in goal ahead of Sammy.
I suppose the thinking was that the chances of Danny Rose scoring a goal were sio slim, you might as well put him in goal.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on June 10, 2022, 11:52:42 am
. Are you going to Bradford next season?  If not you cannot comment on the game!

I might not go and then give a match report based on the Telegraph and Argus, just to spite you. 😉


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 10, 2022, 22:01:47 pm
I might not go and then give a match report based on the Telegraph and Argus, just to spite you. 😉

I was joking!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on June 11, 2022, 16:27:10 pm
I was joking!

Don't worry Evers, I guessed that. Good one!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 11, 2022, 17:10:46 pm
Don't worry Evers, I guessed that. Good one!

Yes but was hurt by the spite remark so unlike you am told!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on June 11, 2022, 18:53:26 pm
Yes but was hurt by the spite remark so unlike you am told!

Did you not spot the winking smiley.

😉




Please don't forget that 99% of what I post will be complete bõllõcks or taking the pïss. Nobody should take me too seriously.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 12, 2022, 18:00:20 pm
Did you not spot the winking smiley.

😉

Please don't forget that 99% of what I post will be complete bõllõcks or taking the pïss. Nobody should take me too seriously.

I prefer to believe what some people post on here with a pinch of salt! Must admit your subtle smiley failed to register but am having issues with  my beloved 20 yr old BMW Wiper Blades. Just ordered some new ones. If they are ok will resume normal service . Otherwise carry on regardless!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 12, 2022, 18:34:22 pm
I prefer to believe what some people post on here with a pinch of salt! Must admit your subtle smiley failed to register but am having issues with  my beloved 20 yr old BMW Wiper Blades. Just ordered some new ones. If they are ok will resume normal service . Otherwise carry on regardless!
Have you tried youtube? Everything can be solved on Youtube. I have used it a lot in the past.  :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwNtemzQcG0


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 12, 2022, 19:36:43 pm
I prefer to believe what some people post on here with a pinch of salt!

Guilty as charged…  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 12, 2022, 20:01:12 pm
Have you tried youtube? Everything can be solved on Youtube. I have used it a lot in the past.  :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwNtemzQcG0


There is quite a few DIY articles on various BMW sites; like repairing scratches and scuffs on wheels. These DIY merchants always seem to make a DIY job dead easy! Does not always work out like that.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Peter Frost on June 13, 2022, 08:45:36 am


There is quite a few DIY articles on various BMW sites; like repairing scratches and scuffs on wheels. These DIY merchants always seem to make a DIY job dead easy! Does not always work out like that.


Well I managed to change an enclosed wall toilet cistern via YouTube and I’m certainly no plumber but the relationship to Sam is beginning to get lost on me………..


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 15, 2022, 19:24:34 pm
Have you tried youtube? Everything can be solved on Youtube. I have used it a lot in the past.  :)


Dear Supersleuth,

That's an X3 and its a fairly recent model as the wipers are just 'push to fit'. Mine being a 20yr car it is the hook type attachment, To rest you on your laurels have managed to fit the new blades.Thanks for the added video, trust you to have an X3!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 15, 2022, 19:41:13 pm
Dear Supersleuth,

trust you to have an X3!
Ive got a Golf.  Im a "dubber" as the kids say.  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 15, 2022, 22:11:25 pm
Ive got a Golf.  Im a "dubber" as the kids say.  ;D

Two upmarket cars - blimey, congratulations😎


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on June 16, 2022, 02:09:57 am
Did you not spot the winking smiley.

😉




Please don't forget that 99% of what I post will be complete bõllõcks or taking the pïss. Nobody should take me too seriously.
Well done for giving us 2 options. Everybody else on here just talks 99% bóllocks. Apart from me obviously.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on June 16, 2022, 19:08:25 pm
Well done for giving us 2 options. Everybody else on here just talks 99% bóllocks. Apart from me obviously.

Don't worry Melly, I know you offer intelligent insight and value every word you type. Except your match reports, they are not valued in the slightest as YOU WEREN'T THERE. Obviously iplayer is too nuanced, so you don't get the true reflection of what has actually happened.

[size30pt]😉 [/size]


Oops, I fücked that up, but can't be ars3d to change it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 16, 2022, 19:20:20 pm
Don't worry Melly, I know you offer intelligent insight and value every word you type. Except your match reports, they are not valued in the slightest as YOU WEREN'T THERE. Obviously iplayer is too nuanced, so you don't get the true reflection of what has actually happened.

[size30pt]😉 [/size]


Oops, I fücked that up, but can't be ars3d to change it.

is this what you are trying to achieve :-*

Comments noted but two things in no particular order.
 [size=52pt] :-* [/size]
1) Leave Melly alone - he's a decent bloke unlike you Yorkshire Towrags
2) Watch your language Timothee
3) Always say something good about Sammy
4) Don't wind people up - its forbidden
5) You are bored aren't you?



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on June 17, 2022, 09:04:27 am
I was gutted to see Danny Rose go in goal ahead of Sammy.
I suppose the thinking was that the chances of Danny Rose scoring a goal were sio slim, you might as well put him in goal.
I actually hadn't thought about this at the time. Why when you need to score a goal put a forward in goal?! I know given his record with us it was unlikely but it's still a very odd decision


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: bungle on June 17, 2022, 18:08:22 pm
I actually hadn't thought about this at the time. Why when you need to score a goal put a forward in goal?! I know given his record with us it was unlikely but it's still a very odd decision

Danny Rose is the only 'striker' I've ever known as have who was universally perceived as a defensive substitution when he came on.

Even if you took off say Guthrie for Rose that would be a defensive substitution because your
chances of scoring a goal would be dramatically reduced. It was always a case of 'oh Rose is coming on, we must be shutting up shop now'.  ;D I'm sure he'll score a hatful under Evans at Stevenage mind.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on June 17, 2022, 18:43:57 pm
I actually hadn't thought about this at the time. Why when you need to score a goal put a forward in goal?! I know given his record with us it was unlikely but it's still a very odd decision

I would have said it was an obvious choice. He was the best diver we had.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on June 18, 2022, 09:29:35 am
I actually hadn't thought about this at the time. Why when you need to score a goal put a forward in goal?! I know given his record with us it was unlikely but it's still a very odd decision

I would guess it's because he has some ability as a keeper.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on June 18, 2022, 19:29:14 pm
That is sick.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on June 19, 2022, 10:33:10 am
SOG - you have not provided any photo evidence therefore we cannot confirm it is sick, are there little bits of carrot?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on July 30, 2022, 16:27:03 pm
2 goals and an assist today

risen above Derek Leck, George Reilly and Jamie Forrester in league goals.
and above Cliff Holton, Phil Chard, and Reilly in overall goals.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on July 30, 2022, 17:35:10 pm
And yet certain people don't want him anywhere near the starting 11 as all he does is run about.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 30, 2022, 17:38:09 pm
I love Sammy. Another two goals and another two fingers to the doubters. ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3086 on July 30, 2022, 18:16:51 pm
The very fact we are still relying on Hoskins tells a story. From both sides point of view.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on July 30, 2022, 18:21:19 pm
I love Sammy. Another two goals and another two fingers to the doubters. ;D
If there’s a doubt, there’s no doubt.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on July 30, 2022, 19:02:51 pm
His end product has undeniably improved over the last 12 months. Great to see.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Risdene on July 31, 2022, 05:06:32 am
He has won me round with the improved standard of his performances. It is what he can do rather than what he can't do.

Keep the standard up Sammy.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Welly Cobb on July 31, 2022, 05:56:18 am
For me, Hoskins is very inconsistent (Which is part of parcel of this year) from game to game. When he's good, he's one of the most effective performers at the club, hence being top scorer two years running, and he will chip in a decent amount of assists and goals. When he's not on though, he tends to be anonymous, which is when his critics view of him tends to come from.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobbler151 on July 31, 2022, 06:03:16 am
For me, Hoskins is very inconsistent (Which is part of parcel of this year) from game to game. When he's good, he's one of the most effective performers at the club, hence being top scorer two years running, and he will chip in a decent amount of assists and goals. When he's not on though, he tends to be anonymous, which is when his critics view of him tends to come from.

Generally most lower league attacking plays fit this description, otherwise they would be playing higher.

Im very grateful for him, he's been picked by every manager since Wilder and continues to improve.

Plus I'm confident when he takes a penalty, which is always good. 


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Welly Cobb on July 31, 2022, 06:09:56 am
I agree with you today, he's very good asset for our level and an underrated played for us. HOWEVER, he will have games where he play terrible and he doesn't seem to ever get subbed regardless, so I can see why people moan about him on occasion, and he will also frustrate me as well.

I think what sums him up is that for half a decade he's been able to tread the incredible fine line of never being poor enough to be released or good enough that bigger clubs wanted him.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 31, 2022, 06:39:50 am
I've said this before - he's quick, tricky, versatile, has an incredible work rate (and an engine to match), is a first class penalty taker and can pass, cross and shoot.

The first set of those attributes you get from him every single game. The last three he's a bit inconsistent on. If he wasn't, we would no longer have him because he'd be playing at a higher level, so I for one am very glad he's inconsistent!!!!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on July 31, 2022, 10:04:46 am
Those that doubt Super Sam might not like it, but in the 125 year history of NTFC, Sam is our record scorer in the month of July  :)

PS. I don't know why, but I'm never confident when Sam takes a penalty, but most of the time he sticks it away with a virtually unstoppable kick, credit to him !


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on July 31, 2022, 10:12:14 am
The very fact we are still relying on Hoskins tells a story. From both sides point of view.

Total rubbish with negativity a constant thought process.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on July 31, 2022, 10:19:26 am
I agree with you today, he's very good asset for our level and an underrated played for us. HOWEVER, he will have games where he play terrible and he doesn't seem to ever get subbed regardless, so I can see why people moan about him on occasion, and he will also frustrate me as well.

I think what sums him up is that for half a decade he's been able to tread the incredible fine line of never being poor enough to be released or good enough that bigger clubs wanted him.

All strikers have barren periods some are prolonged. Wycombe tried to buy him a year ago but he refused to leave! More than Horsfall did!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BrixworthCobbler on July 31, 2022, 11:47:46 am
Total rubbish with negativity a constant thought process.

Agree, people just can't go back on old criticisms. It hurts them to admit it!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on July 31, 2022, 12:23:40 pm
In the past some people on here have suggested that Sam stays with us because nobody else would want him!
I can think of at least 23 other League 2 teams that would snap him up!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on July 31, 2022, 12:29:06 pm
Jaysus, the little scamp has one good game and it’s a w@nk fest, FFS he’ll be shît for 9 games now.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: lordjord on July 31, 2022, 12:54:24 pm
Jaysus, the little scamp has one good game and it’s a w@nk fest, FFS he’ll be shît for 9 games now.

At league 2 hes actually pretty consistent. Last season being proof of that. Last season post Covid break he had a barren spell, 8 games without a goal or an assist. During 3 of those games he played as a RWB.

Outside of that, the longest stretch of league games he went without a goal or assist... 3. FACT :)

I would say thats excellent consistency for a man who regularly gets asked to play as a wing back. Hes not a world beater, but hes an effective player at this level. If he does not perform regularly then its fair to criticise, but he finished last season in great form and has started this season well. Lets hope it continues!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on July 31, 2022, 12:55:34 pm
Agree, people just can't go back on old criticisms. It hurts them to admit it!

exactly, i wrote something similar in the match thread.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on July 31, 2022, 13:11:03 pm
exactly, i wrote something similar in the match thread.

The great Manny has a point which is his opinion. I reckon he is on some sort of payroll as every controversial utterance he gets a barrage of defensive opinions.  Personally I think it is shameful to put Manny under pressure!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on July 31, 2022, 14:21:22 pm
The great Manny has a point which is his opinion. I reckon he is on some sort of payroll as every controversial utterance he gets a barrage of defensive opinions.  Personally I think it is shameful to put Manny under pressure!
Thanks you Evers old chum, always enjoy reading your posts.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 31, 2022, 15:28:43 pm
The three camps:

1. Those that aren’t convinced about Sam. Who highlight to those who rate him, when he has a poor game.

2. Those that are convinced about Sam. Who highlight to those who don’t rate him, when he has a good game.

3. Those of us have no idea why camp one and two search each other out after every game.







Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on July 31, 2022, 15:31:44 pm
It is interesting that a loyal player such as Hoskins doesn't get the popularity that other Cobblers have enjoyed in the past. People argue that he's inconsistent, well, all players from Messi down are inconsistent, it comes with the territory.
I would suggest that the reason is that for whatever reason people simply do not like Hoskins. There's no other way to put it, they dont like him as a person. This accounts for why they would pick up on the faults, rather than enjoy the achievements.
To give an opposite example, JJOT was a cult hero at the club and let's be honest here, consistency was not his friend. People loved him, giving him his own song and special day. Mind you we all know what happened there.
Perhaps the Hoskins lovers should rise up and embrace the little imp. We need a talisman for the season and he's togged up ready to fill that role


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on July 31, 2022, 15:48:38 pm
the little imp.

That's why he's picked on. There is a vast amount of evidence of this. Think of all the insults referencing the smaller of stature.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 31, 2022, 16:03:02 pm
That’s that solved.

People simply don’t like him…

It’s because he’s too small…

Well…. If you’re reading Sam, you’ve seen the science behind it all. You’re quite simply short and unliked. I’m afraid I’m not sure what constructive advice to give you on this one..


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on July 31, 2022, 16:19:14 pm
Well…. If you’re reading Sam, you’ve seen the science behind it all. You’re quite simply short and unliked. I’m afraid I’m not sure what constructive advice to give you on this one..

I'm not sure what reason he would be looking to you for anything.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on July 31, 2022, 16:27:36 pm
Poor man’s Ryan Gilligan.  8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on July 31, 2022, 16:28:20 pm
He's not that small. We've had a lot smaller. Steve Phillips for example and we all loved him.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on July 31, 2022, 16:29:31 pm
Poor man’s Ryan Gilligan.  8)

Who? Hamster. ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 31, 2022, 16:31:42 pm
That's why he's picked on. There is a vast amount of evidence of this. Think of all the insults referencing the smaller of stature.
Thats a load of sh1t. I dont recall Paul Harsley, Aidy Mann, Danny Jackman, Darren Harmon getting the same level of abuse. Perhaps you can prove me wrong from your vast amount of evidence?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on July 31, 2022, 16:35:13 pm
There are academic studies into the advantages of being taller, more handsome etc. You tend to get the jobs, other things being equal.

But I was actually thinking of Billy Bremner, Tom Cruise...............

When the England v Germany match finishes I'll reference some studies for you if you like.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 31, 2022, 16:35:22 pm
I'm not sure what reason he would be looking to you for anything.

(https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprodmigration%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F8a4c8fd3-f0ea-36ad-8c28-6b18a0485c26.jpg?crop=780%2C520%2C0%2C0&resize=1500)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 31, 2022, 16:48:14 pm
There are academic studies into the advantages of being taller, more handsome etc. You tend to get the jobs, other things being equal.

But I was actually thinking of Billy Bremner, Tom Cruise...............

When the England v Germany match finishes I'll reference some studies for you if you like.
I dont recall Bremner or Cruise playing for the Cobblers, and I forgot Jamie Forrester. I cheered for him a few times never abused though. You strike me as a teacher/lecturer who doesnt like even considering that they may be wrong. Am I correct?
And dont try and change my mind, I am very thick skinned.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 31, 2022, 16:59:59 pm
Who? Hamster. ;D

 ;D  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on July 31, 2022, 17:04:11 pm
I dont recall Bremner or Cruise playing for the Cobblers, and I forgot Jamie Forrester. I cheered for him a few times never abused though. You strike me as a teacher/lecturer who doesnt like even considering that they may be wrong. Am I correct?
And dont try and change my mind, I am very thick skinned.

Half Time.

I was talking generally.

Milkman (3.30 am start), Turkey farm, Caravan Park general duties, Chartered Accountant (public and private sector and private practice). I've marked thousands of undergraduate scripts (exams and course work) - there was a teaching element there.

So why do some people have a limited regard for Hoskins ? - he's a better player than Harman (who I liked but Atkins didn't appear to as much) or Aidy Mann were.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 31, 2022, 17:25:57 pm

 I've marked thousands of undergraduate scripts (exams and course work) - there was a teaching element there.
It shows a mile off. I once met Warwick Davis at an event in London, what a charming, articulate, and funny man. And hes very short.
As an aside, what a belting goal from Ella Toone. And shes only 5ft 4.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on July 31, 2022, 21:16:09 pm
It shows a mile off. I once met Warwick Davis at an event in London, what a charming, articulate, and funny man.

You do realise he's a P'boro fan, allegedly  :o  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on July 31, 2022, 21:42:00 pm
You do realise he's a P'boro fan, allegedly  :o  ;D

Not sure why some on here are ganging up on Cobblers Forever. Sounds a proper supporter to me.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on July 31, 2022, 21:47:01 pm
Not sure why some on here are ganging up on Cobblers Forever. Sounds a proper supporter to me.

He's only 4'10"  8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on July 31, 2022, 21:52:01 pm
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Was surprised to see you denigrate a supporter with that type of scurrilous image. Larry is a decent enough supporter and should be respected.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on July 31, 2022, 21:55:09 pm
He's only 4'10"  8)
I heard that. Apparently CobblersForever is not a reference to NTFC, but rather The Elves and the Shoemaker.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 31, 2022, 21:57:53 pm
You do realise he's a P'boro fan, allegedly  :o  ;D
No I didnt. He seems genuine enough.
And in true Everbrite style, you have a link? I bet that you dont.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on July 31, 2022, 22:12:25 pm
He's only 4'10"  8)

..................and your point is please?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 31, 2022, 22:19:38 pm
No I didnt. He seems genuine enough.
And in true Everbrite style, you have a link? I bet that you dont.
I doubt that a fen dweller would stay on here long enough, to amass 1579 posts. Too many fingers.
Im off to bed. Ta dar me duck.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on July 31, 2022, 22:23:11 pm
No I didnt. He seems genuine enough.
And in true Everbrite style, you have a link? I bet that you dont.
   ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 01, 2022, 06:44:54 am
Jaysus, the little scamp has one good game and it’s a w@nk fest, FFS he’ll be shît for 9 games now.

Come on Manny, admit, you enjoy a good w@nk fest as much as the next man.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on August 01, 2022, 07:07:46 am
No I didnt. He seems genuine enough.
And in true Everbrite style, you have a link? I bet that you dont.

https://www.cambstimes.co.uk/news/warwick-davis-poses-for-photos-with-students-from-facet-college-4877610


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 01, 2022, 17:01:36 pm
Was surprised to see you denigrate a supporter with that type of scurrilous image. Larry is a decent enough supporter and should be respected.

(https://10000beds.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/61059491.jpg)




Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on August 01, 2022, 18:33:34 pm
Super Sam makes it into the Sky Bet Div.2 team of the week, as does Billy Waters.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on August 01, 2022, 19:50:49 pm



I will 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 02, 2022, 20:54:52 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-runs-out-of-superlatives-for-hoskins-after-his-star-showing-on-opening-day-3790612


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 02, 2022, 21:37:16 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-runs-out-of-superlatives-for-hoskins-after-his-star-showing-on-opening-day-3790612
I’m amazed, all our managers tend to have a huge vocabulary.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 03, 2022, 10:44:10 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-runs-out-of-superlatives-for-hoskins-after-his-star-showing-on-opening-day-3790612

He's obviously trying to big him up before flogging him to Villa to plug their upcoming vacancy.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 09, 2022, 08:01:16 am
Sam has now overtaken Ernie Cockle, Billy Pease (went on to play for England), Phil Chard and Richard Hill in league goals.
and is now joint 20th in overall goals with Archie Garrett, Billy Best and Scott McGleish.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 09, 2022, 15:28:14 pm
Sam has now overtaken Ernie Cockle, Billy Pease (went on to play for England), Phil Chard and Richard Hill in league goals.
and is now joint 20th in overall goals with Archie Garrett, Billy Best and Scott McGleish.

It doesn’t really mean much unless it’s stacked up against games played. Or even minutes.

In addition to that, I would also take into account penalties.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on August 09, 2022, 16:21:42 pm
Sam Hoskins - best ever Cobblers penalty taker.

Another box ticked.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 09, 2022, 17:17:19 pm
It doesn’t really mean much

Oh yes it does!



Think how much pleasure each and every one of those has given you. They all mean something, regardless of minutes played. And there have been more of them than pretty much every other person who has played for the Mighty Cobblers.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 09, 2022, 18:48:20 pm
Jon Brady has improved Sam beyond recognition FACT.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on August 10, 2022, 11:22:56 am
It doesn’t really mean much unless it’s stacked up against games played. Or even minutes.

In addition to that, I would also take into account penalties.



Lots more to consider

           Position played in
           Formation used
           Manager's playing style
           The Weather
           The state of the pitch
           Playing kit, could his team mates see him?
           Daylight or Floodlights?
           Had he forgotten his lucky pants?
           Were supporters for or against him?

I sure people can think of other factors
Or we can keep it simple and count the number of goals scored ???



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 10, 2022, 12:57:52 pm
The problem with just looking at the overall total is it's pretty irrelevant.

Imagine, the world's greatest darts player rocks up at Carr's bar, throws three darts, all hit the bullseye. I then have a go and 100 throws later I hit my fourth bullseye. Am I now the world's best player, I mean I got one more bullseye? Of course not, that would be silly.

As for the examples given, I'm sorry to say I never saw Ernie Cockle, Billy Pease or Archie Garrett play. However, I did see Phil Chard, Richard Hill, Scott McGleish and Billy Best and in my opinion, Sam Hoskins is nowhere near as good as any of them.

However, Sam has a contract for two more years (at least) and even at his current ratio of 1 goal every 5 games he should overhaul several more players in the list, including the likes of Paul Stratford, John Fairbrother, Mark Richards, Ian Benjamin, even Bayo. What we can take from that I don't know, but it will nevertheless be some achievement.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DrillingCobbler on August 10, 2022, 14:18:37 pm
I've had this debate time and time again. One thing I will say though again, I've been convinced for several seasons that Sam has what it takes to be a 20 goal a season goal scorer.

I've no idea who the last one we had was (lets just stick to league goals here) - maybe Super Sam will manage to hit that target this time round. He only needs 17 goals from 44 matches!

What Manwork says though is bang up....Brady has helped improve him beyond recognition. His end product these days is far more consistent than it was a few years ago and he is finally fulfilling the potential he has always had. Lets hope his upward protectory continues and he plays his best football in his 30's, like Grayson arguably did. Or looking elsewhere, Vardy.

Without question, if I was Brady Id be playing down the middle, whether that's right up top or just behind I'm not too bothered. His finishing at the minute is sublime....and he's full of confidence.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on August 10, 2022, 14:57:21 pm
Interesting debate on how much Hoskins has improved. While Marvo's stat of 1 goal in 5 is not that impressive compared to other Cobblers goalscorers, it's also fair to say that Hoskins is not always (or even usually) played as an out and out striker and thus his strike rate should not be compared to Marc Richards for example.

Having said that, there's no doubt that he's improved under Brady both in terms of goals scored and assists. He now has 16 league goals in his last 48 league appearances from 2021-22 and the first 2 games of this season (according to Google) which is exactly a 1 goal per 3 games strike rate. He also has  10 assists in that time. In the previous 3 seasons, over 115 league games, he scored 20 goals and contributed 10 assists. Just those figures are enough to show a clear progression.

The argument that he scores more now because he takes penalties, is only partially valid in determining goalscoring prowess. After all, Hoskins only keeps taking the penalties because he keeps scoring them. If he didn't, someone else would be taking them.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 10, 2022, 16:14:27 pm
Lots more to consider

         
Or we can keep it simple and count the number of goals scored ???



Whilst I appreciate your stunning repartee, it is absolutely relevant to look at penalties and time on the pitch.

As Margo says, he scores roughly one goal every five games. On the surface that looks ok. But if you take away the penalties (and I’m not sure of how many are penalties) it’s probably quite a poor return. It gives any player a huge advantage over his team mates if he takes the penalties, so it should be absolutely part of any calculations.





Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DrillingCobbler on August 10, 2022, 16:25:24 pm
Whilst I appreciate your stunning repartee, it is absolutely relevant to look at penalties and time on the pitch.

As Margo says, he scores roughly one goal every five games. On the surface that looks ok. But if you take away the penalties (and I’m not sure of how many are penalties) it’s probably quite a poor return. It gives any player a huge advantage over his team mates if he takes the penalties, so it should be absolutely part of any calculations.






You've ruined it now for Frank Lampard. There's me thinking his goal scoring record was incredible for a midfielder. However a quick google search shows, 43 of his premier league goals were penalties. Take them off of the total....bog standard player!!  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 10, 2022, 16:28:28 pm
The more variables you bring into a statistic the more insightful and accurate, a bit like AI and machine learning. FACT.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on August 10, 2022, 16:36:34 pm


As Margo says,


Was that a Freudian slip ?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 10, 2022, 16:42:06 pm


As Margo says,



Well, I do enjoy the Good life.  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 10, 2022, 16:44:21 pm
Well, I do enjoy the Good life.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

😂😂😂

The joy of mobile phones.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 10, 2022, 16:44:38 pm
Well, I do enjoy the Good life.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
The good old days…. ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on August 10, 2022, 17:03:26 pm
For the record Sam has scored 11 out of 12 penalties while playing for the Cobblers. I certainly can't think of any Cobblers player in my lifetime who would be able to better that. Take a bow that man and long may it continue!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 10, 2022, 17:10:34 pm
for the record, the last 20 league goalscorer we had was Richard Hill, so.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on August 10, 2022, 17:11:24 pm
Interesting debate on how much Hoskins has improved. While Marvo's stat of 1 goal in 5 is not that impressive compared to other Cobblers goalscorers, it's also fair to say that Hoskins is not always (or even usually) played as an out and out striker and thus his strike rate should not be compared to Marc Richards for example.

Having said that, there's no doubt that he's improved under Brady both in terms of goals scored and assists. He now has 16 league goals in his last 48 league appearances from 2021-22 and the first 2 games of this season (according to Google) which is exactly a 1 goal per 3 games strike rate. He also has  10 assists in that time. In the previous 3 seasons, over 115 league games, he scored 20 goals and contributed 10 assists. Just those figures are enough to show a clear progression.

The argument that he scores more now because he takes penalties, is only partially valid in determining goalscoring prowess. After all, Hoskins only keeps taking the penalties because he keeps scoring them. If he didn't, someone else would be taking them.
For the record, how many of the last 16 league goals (in 48 league appearances) have been penalties?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on August 10, 2022, 17:19:48 pm
Was that a Freudian slip ?


 ;D



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 10, 2022, 17:28:03 pm
For the record, how many of the last 16 league goals (in 48 league appearances) have been penalties?

3.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 10, 2022, 17:29:38 pm
Well, I do enjoy the Good life.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Vyvyan had it spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQCi67CQHXY


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 10, 2022, 17:51:55 pm
For me Sammy is just about our most important player at the moment and I am glad we have him. I know he can be frustrating at times but so can all players, even Kevin De Bruyne must have an off day. His goals may include penalties but they still have to be scored and his record is very good, just one miss in 12, which sadly was at Wimbledon in the last minute in a game we lost 1 - 0 when we were in League 1.

Harry Kane also takes penalties and no one asks how many of his goals are from the penalty spot. If anyone knows the answer it might be interesting to know.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 10, 2022, 19:34:07 pm
For me Sammy is just about our most important player at the moment and I am glad we have him. I know he can be frustrating at times but so can all players, even Kevin De Bruyne must have an off day. His goals may include penalties but they still have to be scored and his record is very good, just one miss in 12, which sadly was at Wimbledon in the last minute in a game we lost 1 - 0 when we were in League 1.

Harry Kane also takes penalties and no one asks how many of his goals are from the penalty spot. If anyone knows the answer it might be interesting to know.
Your not comparing our little scamp with Harry Kane are you?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 10, 2022, 19:48:37 pm
For me Sammy is just about our most important player at the moment and I am glad we have him. I know he can be frustrating at times but so can all players, even Kevin De Bruyne must have an off day. His goals may include penalties but they still have to be scored and his record is very good, just one miss in 12, which sadly was at Wimbledon in the last minute in a game we lost 1 - 0 when we were in League 1.

Harry Kane also takes penalties and no one asks how many of his goals are from the penalty spot. If anyone knows the answer it might be interesting to know.

Similarly with Wayne Rooney and how many penalties.
I seem to remember that the number he had taken for England was very few and similar to Sir Bobby.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 10, 2022, 19:58:03 pm
Your not comparing our little scamp with Harry Kane are you?

Sammy for England,?  well not quite.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 10, 2022, 20:23:30 pm

You've ruined it now for Frank Lampard. There's me thinking his goal scoring record was incredible for a midfielder. However a quick google search shows, 43 of his premier league goals were penalties. Take them off of the total....bog standard player!!  ;D

Whilst I can’t agree with a comparison between the greatest midfielder ever to grace a football pitch and our Sam, I absolutely agree that the penalties have to be a factor.  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on August 10, 2022, 20:31:34 pm
3.
Thought it would be more than that.
So we've only won 3 penalties in the last 48 league games?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on August 10, 2022, 20:34:44 pm
It doesn’t really mean much unless it’s stacked up against games played. Or even minutes.

In addition to that, I would also take into account penalties.



For some reason it makes my day when Hoskins scores; it always seems to be against bitter adversity. Maybe its because he is now our leading
scorer, that is over the last couple of seasons or more. Some of his goals are memorable, v Colchester, Burton (a), Grimsby and even Oldham some 2/3 seasons ago with an instant volley. For me we should be grateful that he has stayed with us when many others just clear off at the first rustle of £notes.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 10, 2022, 21:59:53 pm
For some reason it makes my day when Hoskins scores; it always seems to be against bitter adversity. Maybe its because he is now our leading
scorer, that is over the last couple of seasons or more. Some of his goals are memorable, v Colchester, Burton (a), Grimsby and even Oldham some 2/3 seasons ago with an instant volley. For me we should be grateful that he has stayed with us when many others just clear off at the first rustle of £notes.

Don't forget the blinder he scored at Tranmere.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest2995 on August 10, 2022, 22:18:47 pm
i don’t know about currently but last season Hoskins was considered easily the best finisher at the club .


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 11, 2022, 20:30:25 pm
For some reason it makes my day when Hoskins scores; it always seems to be against bitter adversity. Maybe its because he is now our leading
scorer, that is over the last couple of seasons or more. Some of his goals are memorable, v Colchester, Burton (a), Grimsby and even Oldham some 2/3 seasons ago with an instant volley. For me we should be grateful that he has stayed with us when many others just clear off at the first rustle of £notes.

I’m not sure why you quoted me to make your point.


It makes my day when any of our players score.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Peter Frost on August 12, 2022, 06:26:59 am
I’m not sure why you quoted me to make your point.


It makes my day when any of our players score.

I’m fairly sure if you wiped the memory banks of Hoskins as our player and he was playing for another team with the same personal stats, people would be saying he is just the sort of players we need - fickle fans!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 12, 2022, 06:35:33 am
I’m fairly sure if you wiped the memory banks of Hoskins as our player and he was playing for another team with the same personal stats, people would be saying he is just the sort of players we need - fickle fans!

Couldn’t agree more. I’m with you on the historical baggage that some carry regarding him.

The only thing I questioned was how much his goal stats stand up given the clear advantage he has over any other player in the side. But there is no doubt he is more than worthy of his place in the side at this level. Another thing that seems to have improved, is his ability to finish well.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on August 12, 2022, 07:02:09 am
Whilst I appreciate your stunning repartee, it is absolutely relevant to look at penalties and time on the pitch.

As Margo says, he scores roughly one goal every five games. On the surface that looks ok. But if you take away the penalties (and I’m not sure of how many are penalties) it’s probably quite a poor return. It gives any player a huge advantage over his team mates if he takes the penalties, so it should be absolutely part of any calculations.




Taking penalties in front of an expectant crowd… easy right?! It’s a testament to his bottle allied to technique. Most people on here would s*** themselves in the same scenario


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 12, 2022, 10:41:04 am
Taking penalties in front of an expectant crowd… easy right?! It’s a testament to his bottle allied to technique. Most people on here would **** themselves in the same scenario
I was talking once to the physiologist for the German national team and couldn’t  help but ask why they were so good at penalties, he told me that he had coached into them to squeeze their fist five times as they walked up to take the penalty, this would release all the tension and pressure they were experiencing and they would always score. Seemed to work.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 12, 2022, 11:06:49 am
Taking penalties in front of an expectant crowd… easy right?! It’s a testament to his bottle allied to technique. Most people on here would **** themselves in the same scenario

I went to watch Basle against Brondby last night and it went to penalties. They were being taken right in front of the a very expectant home end full of hostile Basle Ultras. The first two Brondby penalty takers cracked and completely messed up their chances. Whilst it might not be the same atmosphere wherever Super Sam took his last away penalty, I would have thought that top division players appearing in European competition should be able to hold it together better than a fourth division player. Perhaps Brondby will be making a move on him in the next couple of weeks.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 12, 2022, 13:05:48 pm
Taking penalties in front of an expectant crowd… easy right?

Yeah….. Because that’s exactly what I said  ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 12, 2022, 13:08:05 pm
I was talking once to the physiologist for the German national team and couldn’t  help but ask why they were so good at penalties, he told me that he had coached into them to squeeze their fist five times as they walked up to take the penalty, this would release all the tension and pressure they were experiencing and they would always score. Seemed to work.

Alan Shearer said that he was taught to think which way he would run to celebrate the goal he was about to score. Taking his mind completely off the actual process.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on August 12, 2022, 14:00:37 pm
Regarding taking penalties;

1. Choose the GK's weaker side (his left if he's right footed etc).
2. Aim to strike the ball cleanly about a foot inside the post preferably low (high is too risky).
3. Concentrate on what you're doing not externalities.

Practice, practice, practice.

These days;

1. The penalty areas retain their condition most seasons.
2. The footballs retain their condition for the whole game (not like the old leather balls).

Both the above remove potential hazards.

Sam is first class.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Substitute on August 12, 2022, 14:36:37 pm
whack the bugger as hard as you can in the oposite direction to what the goalie is going.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on August 12, 2022, 17:33:51 pm
Yeah….. Because that’s exactly what I said  ::) ::) ::)
Not quite… you seem to be discard the penalties as a given 😘


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 12, 2022, 19:43:28 pm
Not quite… you seem to be discard the penalties as a given 😘

No I didn’t. You “seem” to have assumed that. But clearly there’s no denying it gives a player a distinct advantage over his team mates.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 15, 2022, 11:59:58 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/in-pictures-sam-hoskins-remarkable-cobblers-career-as-he-approaches-major-milestone-3805945


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on August 15, 2022, 21:18:42 pm
The higher the pedestal people raise the greater the fall


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 16, 2022, 07:45:01 am
The higher the pedestal people raise the greater the fall

Well with his fine start to the season and growing reputation,  I fully expect him to be the wild card in Gareth Southgate's World Cup squad. A Steve Bull of the  modern era.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on August 16, 2022, 11:26:23 am
Make your 300th appearance a memorable one Sam - for the right reasons.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 16, 2022, 19:06:07 pm
Well with his fine start to the season and growing reputation,  I fully expect him to be the wild card in Gareth Southgate's World Cup squad. A Steve Bull of the  modern era.

I wasn't joking.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on August 16, 2022, 21:51:52 pm
Always thought San a good player but he's really stepped up the start of this season keep it up


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on August 16, 2022, 21:59:43 pm
I was talking once to the physiologist for the German national team and couldn’t  help but ask why they were so good at penalties, he told me that he had coached into them to squeeze their fist five times as they walked up to take the penalty, this would release all the tension and pressure they were experiencing and they would always score. Seemed to work.

Are you sure you mean physiologist?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on August 16, 2022, 22:54:08 pm
What a fantastic way to mark his 300th appearance...

He's massively improved under the guidance of Brady & Co

Still remember when he was on trial under CW trying to earn a contract...

Well done Sam!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Risdene on August 17, 2022, 04:49:46 am
Hands up, Sam has won me over with his consistant better end product.

RESPECT.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 17, 2022, 05:10:11 am
Injury free, great worth ethic, versatile and pace. To this list we now have to add consistent end product and prolific. Altogether, “goodbye Sam”.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on August 17, 2022, 06:41:53 am
I must admit I was never a big fan of Sam but he has won me over with his performances last season and this. He has become far more consistent. Never doubted his effort and commitment but the product on the pitch is much improved.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 17, 2022, 06:52:41 am
Are you sure you mean physiologist?
Good spot Larry, psychologist obviously, bloody apple spellcheck.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on August 17, 2022, 07:27:35 am
From Crawleys forum;

[Very annoying match today for totally different reasons, I thought we were desperately unlucky not to get something from there.

Nadesan getting criticism is unfair I think when he pretty much set up the 2nd goal. I think the key difference was they had one guy who is way too good for this division (Sam Hoskins) and that can make a big difference]


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on August 17, 2022, 07:35:57 am
I did ask Sam to make his 300th appearance a memorable one and he came up trumps.
5 goals in 4 league games at this rate over the course of the season his is will get 57 goals.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: corno_ntfc on August 17, 2022, 08:17:13 am
From Crawleys forum;

[Very annoying match today for totally different reasons, I thought we were desperately unlucky not to get something from there.

Nadesan getting criticism is unfair I think when he pretty much set up the 2nd goal. I think the key difference was they had one guy who is way too good for this division (Sam Hoskins) and that can make a big difference]

Fans of opposition clubs have pretty much always said this.

It's over a run of games where some of our fans criticise him.

On his day, he is too good for L2!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 17, 2022, 08:18:33 am
Well there we go, 300 appearances.

Into his own as the 20th overall goalscorer now, overtaking Archie Garrett, Billy Best and Scott McGleish.
and overtaken Barry Lines in league goals.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on August 17, 2022, 10:39:28 am
Fans of opposition clubs have pretty much always said this.

It's over a run of games where some of our fans criticise him.

On his day, he is too good for L2!

Many other fans rate him, don't remember ever reading that "he's way too good for this division". He seems to be getting far more consistent and combined with his versatility, work rate and loyalty, what an asset he is.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: threeinabed on August 17, 2022, 13:28:44 pm
Many other fans rate him, don't remember ever reading that "he's way too good for this division". He seems to be getting far more consistent and combined with his versatility, work rate and loyalty, what an asset he is.

whatever people think of him (me being one of his doubters) - his start to the season has been superb and last night 2 excellent finishes and 1 excellent assist.

if he was performing like that consistently he wouldnt still be with us!

as a wise man said "we have plenty of worse players on a lot more money"


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 17, 2022, 19:30:22 pm
Injury free, great worth ethic, versatile and pace. To this list we now have to add consistent end product and prolific. Altogether, “goodbye Sam”.

The way Man Utd are going about their recruitment, he could be playing at Old Trafford by September... ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 17, 2022, 19:39:54 pm
The way Man Utd are going about their recruitment, he could be playing at Old Trafford by September... ;D
Or the manager 🤣


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on August 17, 2022, 20:03:26 pm
From Crawleys forum;

[Very annoying match today for totally different reasons, I thought we were desperately unlucky not to get something from there.

Nadesan getting criticism is unfair I think when he pretty much set up the 2nd goal. I think the key difference was they had one guy who is way too good for this division (Sam Hoskins) and that can make a big difference]

That will horrify sum!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on August 17, 2022, 20:07:39 pm
That will horrify some!

Their silence is so much louder than words Evers



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest2995 on August 17, 2022, 23:04:12 pm
Sam Hoskins would be an automatic starter in every league 2 side .
And one third of league one sides
Tell me different


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 18, 2022, 06:06:43 am
Sam Hoskins would be an automatic starter in every league 2 side .
And one third of league one sides
Tell me different

Ok

Sam Hoskins would be an automatic starter in every league 2 side .
And one fifth of league one sides
Now tell me different


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on August 18, 2022, 08:29:39 am
Ok

Sam Hoskins would be an automatic starter in every league 2 side .
And one fifth of league one sides
Now tell me different
24 isn't divisible by 5.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 18, 2022, 11:16:15 am
24 isn't divisible by 5.
4.8


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 18, 2022, 11:29:27 am
I just hope that we aren't looking for a replacement on the last day of the transfer window  :(


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on August 18, 2022, 11:37:46 am
4.8
Me and you could get into that 0.8 team, let alone super Sammy.
They'd be desperate for numbers.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 18, 2022, 13:46:36 pm
Me and you could get into that 0.8 team, let alone super Sammy.
They'd be desperate for numbers.
You’ve clearly got a lot more faith in my ability than I have.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 20, 2022, 16:38:00 pm
pretty apt that Sam has now overtaken Cliff Holton in league goals. In 'Holtonesque' goalscoring form atm.
and also up to 19th in overall goals, overtaking Fred Ramscar.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on August 20, 2022, 16:49:06 pm
7 in 5 games, at this rate he will get 64 if he plays all 46 games.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: NTFC Nut on August 20, 2022, 17:16:28 pm
Take his goals and assists out of this team and it's at the other end of the table. He's single handedly papering over the cracks.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 20, 2022, 17:31:26 pm
7 in 5 games, at this rate he will get 64 if he plays all 46 games.

What do you mean "if"?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: capcob on August 20, 2022, 18:53:28 pm
So Sam Hoskins comes of age. He’s now 29 and at the peak of his footballing abilities.

His current success is no fluke. It’s a result of determined application and commitment to his profession overs the last 7 seasons.

No wonder successive managers have continued to give him every opportunity - he’s always deserved it, and now club and player are truly reaping the rewards.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 21, 2022, 07:18:23 am
Sam Hoskins. 7 goals in 5 games. Wow!

To think before 2022/3 Sam had 44 goals in his 6 previous seasons at the club, that's actually an average of 7.3 goals per season, so to have reached his "norm" so quickly is quite remarkable. Like a fine wine, we've had to wait a long, long, long time for him to reach his potential but now at last it appears he has, long may it continue. Maybe this will be the season that Hoskins finally earns his sobriquet "Super Sam"? Or maybe with the transfer window still open somebody else might finally take a punt on our hero?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 21, 2022, 07:18:49 am
You’ve got to give it to the pocket rocket, he’s having a blinder. Well played again Sam.

Unfortunately, I missed both fcuking goals…  ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Risdene on August 21, 2022, 07:22:42 am
Well done to the management team in getting the best out of 'Super Sam'.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 21, 2022, 08:27:02 am
Well done to the management team in getting the best out of 'Super Sam'.
This is spot on, Jon Brady and Colin have worked wonders with Sam, the difference this season is he’s become consistent.
I take my hat off to the little scamp.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 21, 2022, 08:35:48 am
Unfortunately, I missed both fcuking goals…  ;D ;D

Fortunately, Sam didn't.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 21, 2022, 12:45:50 pm
Fortunately, Sam didn't.

Absolutely mate.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 23, 2022, 08:26:41 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/jon-brady-on-special-sam-hoskins-teenagers-absolutely-immense-performances-and-cobblers-fighting-spirit-3814627


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 06, 2022, 16:54:31 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-man-nominated-for-monthly-award-after-stunning-start-to-the-season-3832522


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on September 06, 2022, 20:03:26 pm
He has to win it surely


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 13, 2022, 09:42:33 am
No contest. Well done Sam.

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2022/september/hoskins_playerofthemonth/?fbclid=IwAR1I49rWM4MmvAu_g2kfdWAZjXJUA3NS5O0uLuIXgDQyR-YvGX6_NPAz8Dc


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 13, 2022, 10:08:45 am
Well done Super Sammy.... 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: MCHammer on September 13, 2022, 10:16:17 am
Deserved recognition for Sam.  Brilliant start to the season for a good honest player.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 14, 2022, 09:01:31 am
Went missing last night  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest2995 on September 14, 2022, 10:02:24 am
Went missing last night  ;D
Utter rubbish - he had a good game


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 14, 2022, 10:18:57 am
Utter rubbish - he had a good game

I nearly bit, but I knew someone would.  8)

I agree, he did have a good game again.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 14, 2022, 10:29:38 am
Well, if he gets snapped up in Jan there can’t be any complaints about loyalty. About half this forum and probably the West Stand wanted him dropped until of late. If he goes then reap as you sow comes to mind. Can’t have it all ways. Hope he stays though, I can’t think of a harder working more committed player we’ve had in my time. And never on the treatment table either, a rare breed at this level.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 14, 2022, 10:42:28 am
Well, if he gets snapped up in Jan there can’t be any complaints about loyalty. About half this forum and probably the West Stand wanted him dropped until of late. If he goes then reap as you sow comes to mind. Can’t have it all ways. Hope he stays though, I can’t think of a harder working more committed player we’ve had in my time. And never on the treatment table either, a rare breed at this level.

Unfortunately he's getting to the age where he must be thinking about a 'pension move' if the right offer comes in for him, based on his performances.
I'd prefer him to stay, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on September 14, 2022, 12:40:27 pm
Well, if he gets snapped up in Jan there can’t be any complaints about loyalty. About half this forum and probably the West Stand wanted him dropped until of late. If he goes then reap as you sow comes to mind. Can’t have it all ways. Hope he stays though, I can’t think of a harder working more committed player we’ve had in my time. And never on the treatment table either, a rare breed at this level.

He was out for about a year with the ACL injury but other than that I agree, he's always fit, and I hope it stays that way. He could have had a couple last night too.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 16, 2022, 16:03:08 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/hoskins-strike-nominated-for-league-two-goal-of-the-month-3845437

Get your votes in... ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 16, 2022, 16:03:09 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/hoskins-strike-nominated-for-league-two-goal-of-the-month-3845437

Get your votes in... ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on September 16, 2022, 16:12:09 pm
I've voted for our Sam, not sure it was the best goal though.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on September 16, 2022, 17:37:28 pm
Voted for Sammy - didn’t bother looking at the other goals - what’s the point … life’s too short.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on September 16, 2022, 22:15:41 pm
Voted for Sammy some good goals there though


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 17, 2022, 16:45:28 pm
He’s at it again the little tyke. Even better that he missed the pen then nodded it in. Counts as an open play goal, making his stats look even better. Good up the good work Sam…


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on September 17, 2022, 17:08:04 pm
He’s at it again the little tyke. Even better that he missed the pen then nodded it in. Counts as an open play goal, making his stats look even better. Good up the good work Sam…

He's a "keeper"!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on September 17, 2022, 19:01:00 pm
He’s at it again the little tyke. Even better that he missed the pen then nodded it in. Counts as an open play goal, making his stats look even better. Good up the good work Sam…

I heard that he did it deliberately so that you would respect him more.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 17, 2022, 20:33:10 pm
I heard that he did it deliberately so that you would respect him more.

His cunning plan has worked. I’m beguiled and transfixed on his meagre stature. The thought of gazing upon his next excursion onto the hallowed turf leaves me all a quiver..



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 17, 2022, 20:47:18 pm
His cunning plan has worked. I’m beguiled and transfixed on his meagre stature. The thought of gazing upon his next excursion onto the hallowed turd leaves me all a quiver..



You sometimes have a way with words 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 17, 2022, 21:32:18 pm
The thought of gazing upon his next excursion onto the hallowed turd
My old pub team had the same problem, when we used to train at Dallington Park.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: NathR on September 17, 2022, 21:34:24 pm
Including the end of last season Sammy has scored 15 league goals in 15 league games, and also contributed with 5 assists.  1 of his 15 goals was from the penalty spot.

He actually has 14 goals in his last 13, 10 in his last 9 so his strike rate is improving.

Very impressive states, and consistent over a good amount of games.

Well done Sammy, keep it up!



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 17, 2022, 21:48:21 pm
all that talk of needing a 20 goal a season striker...anyway.

overtaken Paul Stratford, John Fairbrother and up to joint 16th with Marc Richards now in overall goals.
and recently overtaken Barry Tucker in overall appearances.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 19, 2022, 11:27:03 am
An unusually poor penalty from Sam but when you are in a rich vein of form things seem to go your way and the rebound fell nicely for him.

I think next month we will be voting for Guthrie's goal for Septembers goal of the month.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on September 19, 2022, 11:31:00 am
I was only thinking the other day , has Sam ever scored a goal with his head, and now he has anyway.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2022, 14:25:30 pm
In 2015 he scored a header in a 1-0 win over Oxford. And that may be the only other one.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 19, 2022, 15:51:34 pm
An unusually poor penalty from Sam but when you are in a rich vein of form things seem to go your way and the rebound fell nicely for him.

I think next month we will be voting for Guthrie's goal for Septembers goal of the month.

Might have been good save by former keeper?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: tcobb on September 19, 2022, 17:35:17 pm
Nah, lucky guess   ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on September 19, 2022, 18:31:34 pm
Might have been good save by former keeper?

I do wonder if there is some advantage for the keeper when he used to play for the club and has faced the attacker in training etc


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 19, 2022, 18:44:35 pm
I thought it was poorly placed, it used to be said that if you hit your penalty hard just inside the post the keeper does not have time to get down to it. Some now go for the top corners which is ok providing the keeper cannot raise his arm to reach it and then there are those that blast down the middle expecting the keeper to dive and vacate that area.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 19, 2022, 21:52:35 pm
I thought it was poorly placed, it used to be said that if you hit your penalty hard just inside the post the keeper does not have time to get down to it. Some now go for the top corners which is ok providing the keeper cannot raise his arm to reach it and then there are those that blast down the middle expecting the keeper to dive and vacate that area.


Got the impression that the keeper guessed right that is to the left and with an outstretched arm got a hand to the ball. It was simply hit too hard. An outstretched arm is not strong enough to divert the ball when it is hard and low. Not sure now if it was a keeper error!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 22, 2022, 11:26:34 am
Doesn't make this list though. Where do they get this utter garbage from?

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/gallery-the-northampton-town-player-who-is-said-to-be-one-of-the-20-most-valuable-players-in-league-two-and-the-tranmere-rovers-newport-county-crewe-alexandra-and-colchester-united-players-who-join-them-3852098


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on September 22, 2022, 12:38:35 pm
Doesn't make this list though. Where do they get this utter garbage from?

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/gallery-the-northampton-town-player-who-is-said-to-be-one-of-the-20-most-valuable-players-in-league-two-and-the-tranmere-rovers-newport-county-crewe-alexandra-and-colchester-united-players-who-join-them-3852098

Amazing, Colchester have 4 players in that list and are 21st in the table. I can only assume the compiler is a Col U fan.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Winslow Lee on September 22, 2022, 14:18:52 pm
Doesn't make this list though. Where do they get this utter garbage from?

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/gallery-the-northampton-town-player-who-is-said-to-be-one-of-the-20-most-valuable-players-in-league-two-and-the-tranmere-rovers-newport-county-crewe-alexandra-and-colchester-united-players-who-join-them-3852098

My guess would be a ten year old copy of FIFA or football manager! most of those players are has-beens on the way down.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Substitute on September 22, 2022, 14:24:39 pm
The only one on the list and our local scoops cant even spell his name


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 22, 2022, 14:30:39 pm
Wouldn't/shouldn't Fraser Horsfall be on the list as well?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 24, 2022, 18:55:22 pm
https://twitter.com/bet365/status/1573676541384458240?t=C8ZQkKyJWgcfLxSRC08-PA&s=19


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 24, 2022, 19:47:49 pm
Sam's a total machine at the moment… I am genuinely pleased for him. He’s even got a bit of swagger on him. Good lad, keep it going.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on September 25, 2022, 10:38:05 am
Sam's a total machine at the moment… I am genuinely pleased for him. He’s even got a bit of swagger on him. Good lad, keep it going.

I noticed that too. I hope pride doesn't come before a fall.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 25, 2022, 13:56:44 pm
Has overtaken Marc Richards to move into 16th place in overall goals. 4 behind Ian Benjamin.
moved ahead of Jock Manning in league appearances.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest2995 on September 26, 2022, 07:22:29 am
He is shooting on instinct which he never used to do - shows what confidence does for you .
When was the last time we had a 20 plus scorer in a season ? Bayo ?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 26, 2022, 07:57:16 am
He is shooting on instinct which he never used to do - shows what confidence does for you .
When was the last time we had a 20 plus scorer in a season ? Bayo ?

Bayo didn't.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3481 on September 26, 2022, 08:14:40 am
He is shooting on instinct which he never used to do - shows what confidence does for you .
When was the last time we had a 20 plus scorer in a season ? Bayo ?
Looking back quickly I cant see that anyone has done it this millennium. Bayo and Rico both with 18 the closest.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest2995 on September 26, 2022, 08:22:56 am
Looking back quickly I cant see that anyone has done it this millennium. Bayo and Rico both with 18 the closest.
wasn’t McGleish the last one ?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on September 26, 2022, 08:43:59 am
He is shooting on instinct which he never used to do - shows what confidence does for you .
When was the last time we had a 20 plus scorer in a season ? Bayo ?
I would disagree about that.
He has always had a pop at goal, just up until very recently a majority of his strikes were blocked or high wide and handsome.
Is this new goalscoring prowess down to luck, improvement in technique at the ripe old age he now is, change in the way are playing as a team, confidence?
I'd say it is a combination of all these things.
He should be on for 20 because he has maintained a steady flow of goals throughout his Cobblers career, but don't be surprised if his end season total is not much more than that apparently mystical figure.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3481 on September 26, 2022, 08:46:24 am
wasn’t McGleish the last one ?
Yep looks like you are correct.
05/06 - 24 Goals. 17 in the league, 4 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 other(?)

(I must have been looking at just league goals. Thats my excuse anyway)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 26, 2022, 09:40:54 am
I would disagree about that.
He has always had a pop at goal, just up until very recently a majority of his strikes were blocked or high wide and handsome.
Is this new goalscoring prowess down to luck, improvement in technique at the ripe old age he now is, change in the way are playing as a team, confidence?
I'd say it is a combination of all these things.
He should be on for 20 because he has maintained a steady flow of goals throughout his Cobblers career, but don't be surprised if his end season total is not much more than that apparently mystical figure.


I think a lot of it is composure. He always used to just hit it as hard as he could whenever he had a sight of goal but now he places it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 26, 2022, 10:05:39 am
practice makes perfect.
success breeds confidence.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on September 26, 2022, 11:35:25 am
I'd absolutely agree about the confidence thing.
To me he's never seemed the most confident of players, though his penalty conversion rate would suggest otherwise.
I have this image of Sam trotting over in front of the North stand to take a corner with his head down and looking at his feet. Contrast that body language to for example Matt Taylor who I seem to remember came in for a lot of stick for not clearing the first defender and less than politely suggesting to one of his critics to have a go if he thought he could do better.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DrillingCobbler on September 26, 2022, 12:01:00 pm
He's always had it in him to be a '20 goal season' goal scorer.

Probably about the 20th time over the years I've made this point on this forum. Check out the top scorers in league2 and league1 from say 3, 4 or 5 years ago and see how many are still 'banging them in'. Most of the time a player has 1 or 2 very decent seasons in front of goal.

Quite a recent great example - Paul Mullin when he was at Cambridge. Hardly scored before that season.
Don Telford, another good example. Both these players were mid 20's when they finally 'got going' and neither has proved yet whether or not they can sustain it!

Previous records mean very little. I have always argued that Super Sam's overall contribution is why he should be in the team week in week out, not because of his goal scoring record which many were obsessed with for some reason. During the last 12 months his finishing has massively improved, he does think about it before he hits the ball, whereas before he would often just smash it. Confidence will no doubt have a lot to do with it as well...

Long may it continue!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 26, 2022, 12:02:13 pm
Yep looks like you are correct.
05/06 - 24 Goals. 17 in the league, 4 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 other(?)

(I must have been looking at just league goals. Thats my excuse anyway)

So who was our last player to score 20 plus LEAGUE goals? I'm guessing Richard Hill 1986/87?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 26, 2022, 12:04:17 pm
Has overtaken Marc Richards to move into 16th place in overall goals. 4 behind Ian Benjamin.
moved ahead of Jock Manning in league appearances.

Can anyone post the list of appearance records and goal records so we can see what is above him?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 26, 2022, 12:18:27 pm
Can anyone post the list of appearance records and goal records so we can see what is above him?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Northampton_Town_F.C._records_and_statistics


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 26, 2022, 12:21:38 pm
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/northampton-town/toptorschuetzensaison/verein/1302/plus/0?wettbewerb_id=liga&pos=alle

Top league scorers by season from 2000/01.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on September 26, 2022, 12:33:23 pm
He's always had it in him to be a '20 goal season' goal scorer.

Probably about the 20th time over the years I've made this point on this forum. Check out the top scorers in league2 and league1 from say 3, 4 or 5 years ago and see how many are still 'banging them in'. Most of the time a player has 1 or 2 very decent seasons in front of goal.

He hasn't got there yet.
By definition then, so has every striker!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 26, 2022, 13:05:17 pm
I was a little kid at the game when Paul Stratford got his first hat-trick at 19 (listed in the records). Sam only needs 4 more to overtake who I consider the best striker I have seen in a Cobblers shirt.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on September 26, 2022, 13:36:59 pm
I was a little kid at the game when Paul Stratford got his first hat-trick at 19 (listed in the records). Sam only needs 4 more to overtake who I consider the best striker I have seen in a Cobblers shirt.
If you've watched Sam and he overtakes Paul, will you then consider him the best striker you have ever seen in a Cobblers shirt?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 26, 2022, 13:48:11 pm
If you've watched Sam and he overtakes Paul, will you then consider him the best striker you have ever seen in a Cobblers shirt?
Sentiment would never allow that. As far as I am concerned Stratty was better than Messi. Seriously as a little kid to me he was a superstar. One Saturday night my parents took me down the Monks Park club to have a meet up with the rest of the extended family. Paul was in there with his Mum and Dad having a quiet night. I saw him and nearly lost my mind. Somehow I managed to work up the courage to go and ask him for his autograph. I swear to god my legs nearly went from under me doing it. I’ve never forgot it, and he probably single handedly launched my obsession with the cobblers. Absolutely devastated when he had to retire at 22. Perhaps somewhere there is a little kid having exactly the same feelings about Sammy, I hope so.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on September 26, 2022, 18:42:39 pm
Perhaps somewhere there is a little kid having exactly the same feelings about Sammy, I hope so.

Of course there is, on this forum, he goes by the name of Manwork04!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on September 26, 2022, 19:07:43 pm
Sentiment would never allow that. As far as I am concerned Stratty was better than Messi. Seriously as a little kid to me he was a superstar. One Saturday night my parents took me down the Monks Park club to have a meet up with the rest of the extended family. Paul was in there with his Mum and Dad having a quiet night. I saw him and nearly lost my mind. Somehow I managed to work up the courage to go and ask him for his autograph. I swear to god my legs nearly went from under me doing it. I’ve never forgot it, and he probably single handedly launched my obsession with the cobblers. Absolutely devastated when he had to retire at 22. Perhaps somewhere there is a little kid having exactly the same feelings about Sammy, I hope so.
Ha, yes a familiar tale doubtless told by thousands of middle aged men over the years. The time, venue and names will vary but the sentiment will remain the same.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Winslow Lee on September 26, 2022, 19:24:25 pm
Of course there is, on this forum, he goes by the name of Manwork04!

Ah yes, Manwork’s love for Hoskins is only rivalled by mysterious curle’s love of Appere!



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on September 26, 2022, 19:32:32 pm
Ah yes, Manwork’s love for Hoskins is only rivalled by mysterious curle’s love of Appere!


Where's that Irish fella gone?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 26, 2022, 19:35:07 pm
Manwork seems to have gone AWOL.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3481 on September 26, 2022, 19:43:16 pm
He's been silenced by his Trust masters


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 26, 2022, 19:47:34 pm
Where's that Irish fella gone?
He likes to wave the Union Flag, and would loathe being called "Irish".  ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on September 26, 2022, 21:49:56 pm
He likes to wave the Union Flag, and would loathe being called "Irish".  ;D ;D
Do you think so?  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 26, 2022, 22:44:50 pm
Do you think so?  ;D
I know so. ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 27, 2022, 07:30:53 am
it's the equivalent of picking someone on a sunday morning because "he turns up every week and collects the subs"


Should imagine you will regret that opinion.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on September 27, 2022, 08:32:49 am
I know so. ;)
I do hope he's alright. Not been anywhere near since sept 5th. Very well connected I believe.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: therealpattcobb on September 27, 2022, 11:58:12 am
Sentiment would never allow that. As far as I am concerned Stratty was better than Messi. Seriously as a little kid to me he was a superstar. One Saturday night my parents took me down the Monks Park club to have a meet up with the rest of the extended family. Paul was in there with his Mum and Dad having a quiet night. I saw him and nearly lost my mind. Somehow I managed to work up the courage to go and ask him for his autograph. I swear to god my legs nearly went from under me doing it. I’ve never forgot it, and he probably single handedly launched my obsession with the cobblers. Absolutely devastated when he had to retire at 22. Perhaps somewhere there is a little kid having exactly the same feelings about Sammy, I hope so.

My legs go wobbly when I'm near Sammy Hoskins, but then again they would wouldn't they?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 27, 2022, 12:15:53 pm
My legs go wobbly when I'm near Sammy Hoskins, but then again they would wouldn't they?
You’re a card 😉


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 27, 2022, 12:50:47 pm
Yet more interest in Sam. If you believe Twitter, that is.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/exclusive-middlesbrough-sunderland-derby-and-sheffield-wednesday-consider-swoop-for-clinical-29-year-old/


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 27, 2022, 12:56:46 pm
And one for the number crunchers out there.

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/player-analysis/sam-hoskins-at-northampton-town-202223-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on September 27, 2022, 13:07:18 pm
Do you think so?  ;D
Think he said he was on holiday in Derry!  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 27, 2022, 13:32:48 pm
I do hope he's alright. Not been anywhere near since sept 5th. Very well connected I believe.

Really. You would never know.. He's always been very modest about such things  😛

On a more serious note. Like you, I do hope all is well with him.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 27, 2022, 13:35:38 pm
Really. You would never know.. He's always been very modest about such things  😛

On a more serious note. Like you, I do hope all is well with him.
I pm’d him a couple of weeks ago to make sure he was ok. Heard nothing back.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 27, 2022, 13:36:53 pm
I pm’d him a couple of weeks ago to make sure he was ok. Heard nothing back.

As has been said, his last activity (log on) on here was 5th Sep.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 27, 2022, 14:14:27 pm
As has been said, his last activity (log on) on here was 5th Sep.
It may have been a week ago Rim, I can’t remember, I didn’t keep a copy in the outbox. Long enough to get a reply anyway.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on September 27, 2022, 15:06:47 pm
Think he said he was on holiday in Derry!  ;)
Would that be Free Derry?  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3529 on September 27, 2022, 15:15:42 pm
Really. You would never know.. He's always been very modest about such things  😛

On a more serious note. Like you, I do hope all is well with him.
Agree.
Another poster suggested I might be Manworks bastard love child a while back, and having just checked, that comment and my reply was made only a few minutes before his last appearance.
So I just wanted to say, as far as I'm concerned this is coincidence and has nothing to do with me!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 27, 2022, 15:24:19 pm
As has been said, his last activity (log on) on here was 5th Sep.

Hmm. 5th September- the day the news broke about the Trust £3m bid. He was always saying how fabulously wealthy he was - is Manny the mystery backer...?

Seriously though, I hope he's OK.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3063 on September 27, 2022, 16:07:53 pm
Agree.
Another poster suggested I might be Manworks bastard love child a while back, and having just checked, that comment and my reply was made only a few minutes before his last appearance.
So I just wanted to say, as far as I'm concerned this is coincidence and has nothing to do with me!

Didn't you reply saying you were his Dad? The plot thickens.

In all seriousness I hope everything is ok with him and he's back on here in the near future.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on September 27, 2022, 19:57:13 pm
Has Manny been heard from since Liz Truss became PM? Have they ever been seen in the same room together? You don't think they could be one and the same person?







I also hope that all is well. The forum is quieter without his/her presence.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 28, 2022, 11:22:50 am
Clubs from higher divisions will always go to look at lower division players who are banging in the goals but it does not follow they move up the league. Last season Dominic Telford  was scoring for fun at Newport County and at the end of the season his big move was to Crawley. Harry McKirdy also scored plenty for Swindon and he has ended up at Hibs and we all know the quality of the Scottish Premiership as we have signed plenty of players from there.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 02, 2022, 20:53:56 pm
https://twitter.com/SimplyOToole/status/1576607130219843585?s=20&t=9q9AjFmoWDHlKQ_vT2ZfQA

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on October 20, 2022, 13:54:58 pm
Anyone know what the injury is and if he's likely back soon?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest2995 on October 25, 2022, 22:16:22 pm
Sam looked on fire when he came on . He looked like a player on top of his game .
Hope he starts on saturday -


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 25, 2022, 22:20:54 pm
Sam looked on fire when he came on . He looked like a player on top of his game .
Hope he starts on saturday -

Needs to avoid a booking for three games....that might take the edge off his performances?

Thomas Kirk is the assigned ref on Saturday....67 yellows in 15 games....he likes to flash a card or four per game! Sam (and Guthrie) have to avoid them.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 13, 2022, 10:46:04 am
overtaken Fred Ramscar and John Fairbrother in league goals.

and also past Barry Lines league appearances recently.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 13, 2022, 10:52:21 am
He’s a good lad ain’t he. No doubt he’s going to attract interest soon.

The worst part about that, will be the type of cràp that comes after him. He’ll mean nothing to them. But makes all the difference to us.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on November 13, 2022, 21:16:53 pm
https://twitter.com/SimplyOToole/status/1576607130219843585?s=20&t=9q9AjFmoWDHlKQ_vT2ZfQA

 ;D ;D

What made me laugh was how Haaland had that grin on his face. Brilliant piece of over speak!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on November 14, 2022, 08:40:22 am
Quite a bit of interest in Sam's shirt from Saturday's game

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285030077979?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=iluH3ibERTW&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=pMvomJLhRmG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285030077979?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=iluH3ibERTW&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=pMvomJLhRmG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 14, 2022, 08:49:17 am
Quite a bit of interest in Sam's shirt from Saturday's game

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285030077979?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=iluH3ibERTW&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=pMvomJLhRmG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285030077979?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=iluH3ibERTW&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=pMvomJLhRmG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY)


I was going to bid on that yesterday, putting a tidy £100 down. Looks like I was way off the mark 😀.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 14, 2022, 11:28:20 am
Nice shirt that. But I doubt that it would fit me, and I dont like the "own the moment" nonsense on the back.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3551 on November 18, 2022, 20:06:18 pm
Very sad news. He was a cantankerous and vociferous right winger but still a cobbler.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 20, 2022, 06:30:18 am
Very sad news. He was a cantankerous and vociferous right winger but still a cobbler.


?????


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on November 20, 2022, 13:04:43 pm

?????

I imagine he means Manwork.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 20, 2022, 13:06:52 pm
I imagine he means Manwork.

Sorry, I haven't read anything about him, is it in another thread?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on November 20, 2022, 13:33:59 pm
Sorry, I haven't read anything about him, is it in another thread?

Start on Winslow Lee's comment on P24 of this topic and follow the discussion forward from there.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 20, 2022, 14:43:54 pm
Still can't see what the sad news is, other than he hasn't been seen on here for a while??? Unless that is the sad news? Let's hope so.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on December 27, 2022, 09:58:06 am
Just carried out a quick calculation. I get that Sam has already scored 22 league goals this calendar year with 1 game to go (14 this season and 8 between Jan 1st 2022 and the end of the 2021/22 season).

That's a decent feat. He's also missed more than a few games - injured, ill or suspended.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3551 on December 29, 2022, 19:12:49 pm
He is not a good player.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on December 30, 2022, 08:49:58 am
is now level with Ian Benjamin after overtaking him in league goals. also level with Paul Stratford now with league goals for the club.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on December 30, 2022, 09:20:41 am
Massive respect for his goal scoring ability this year. I think his actual game form has took a big dip but as goals matter I’ll let it go.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on December 30, 2022, 09:23:21 am
We keep on crying out for a 20 goal a season striker, well we have a 20+ goal a year striker. Will he make it to 20 goals in a season for us?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on December 30, 2022, 09:27:02 am
Yes.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on December 30, 2022, 09:33:50 am
https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/erling-haaland-s-20-goals-the-last-20-goal-scorer-for-every-english-league-club

well i didn't know it was this bad compared to others.

I think he will stay, unless big money comes from a local club. He's settled in the area with a new born and a very level headed person, very different from a lot of other footballers. I think he understands how he has developed under Brady and how hard it will be to replicate it under another manager. But you never know, on the other hand he might want the challenge, and it will be the last chance he gets.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: WadeyCobbler on December 30, 2022, 10:13:24 am
https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/erling-haaland-s-20-goals-the-last-20-goal-scorer-for-every-english-league-club

well i didn't know it was this bad compared to others.

I think he will stay, unless big money comes from a local club. He's settled in the area with a new born and a very level headed person, very different from a lot of other footballers. I think he understands how he has developed under Brady and how hard it will be to replicate it under another manager. But you never know, on the other hand he might want the challenge, and it will be the last chance he gets.

Wow we are bottom of the list for our last 20 League goal striker. Richard Hill in 1986/87. I'm sure this has been debated before as Scott McGleish gets a mention but I'm guessing his 20 plus haul in 2005/06 included cups? With Hoskins already on 15 at the halfway stage, he will surely get to that magical 20 mark.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on December 30, 2022, 10:17:25 am
With Hoskins already on 15 at the halfway stage, he will surely get to that magical 20 mark.

I am sure that he will, but will it be with us?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 30, 2022, 10:40:27 am
I am sure that he will, but will it be with us?

If he is as good as people say he is then surely somebody will come in for him, it wouldn't make any sense if they didn't. I guess we'll see but I'm not too concerned either way. I think our best two performances this season have come when Hoskins didn't play.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on December 30, 2022, 10:47:14 am
He is not a good player.

He is not a bad player.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 01, 2023, 09:58:40 am
If he is as good as people say he is then surely somebody will come in for him, it wouldn't make any sense if they didn't. I guess we'll see but I'm not too concerned either way. I think our best two performances this season have come when Hoskins didn't play.

Well judging by his goal tally he is doing well. Whether we will receive bids for him is another matter. If we do receive bids for him then the Club as I understand it should make him aware of the interest. Can readers confirm if this is standard practice? If he is informed then it might be interesting to see how he reacts.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 01, 2023, 10:46:40 am
Well judging by his goal tally he is doing well. Whether we will receive bids for him is another matter. If we do receive bids for him then the Club as I understand it should make him aware of the interest. Can readers confirm if this is standard practice? If he is informed then it might be interesting to see how he reacts.

Unless other managers/scouts have a lesser opinion of Hoskins, maybe think he's a one season wonder perhaps, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever for there to be no interest in him, it flies against all logic. Like you so often tell us, these people are the experts. If I were Swindon, Mansfield or Salford, I'd certainly be looking at him as not only would they gain the divisions top scorer, they'd be dealing us, a rival for promotion, a hammer blow.

I've not come to the same conclusion by the way but then again I'm no expert.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 01, 2023, 11:25:31 am
Unless other managers/scouts have a lesser opinion of Hoskins, maybe think he's a one season wonder perhaps, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever for there to be no interest in him, it flies against all logic. Like you so often tell us, these people are the experts. If I were Swindon, Mansfield or Salford, I'd certainly be looking at him as not only would they gain the divisions top scorer, they'd be dealing us, a rival for promotion, a hammer blow.

I've not come to the same conclusion by the way but then again I'm no expert.

I personally doubt that any of the clubs you mention have sufficient means to tempt him away. Why not suggest L1 or even Championship CLubs? Regarding interest in Hoskins you seem to think it flies against all logic; there maybe a few derisory offers from L2 Clubs but logic is not always a strong point in some Clubs ambitions! By experts I mean those who appear to know better than the current Management Team(s). As always their opinion is welcome but should be subject for comment. For me JB has proved himself a good manager. Proof of the pudding is how we have done over the past 18 months. Decent man management. Yes/No?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 01, 2023, 12:02:50 pm
I personally doubt that any of the clubs you mention have sufficient means to tempt him away. Why not suggest L1 or even Championship CLubs? Regarding interest in Hoskins you seem to think it flies against all logic; there maybe a few derisory offers from L2 Clubs but logic is not always a strong point in some Clubs ambitions! By experts I mean those who appear to know better than the current Management Team(s). As always their opinion is welcome but should be subject for comment. For me JB has proved himself a good manager. Proof of the pudding is how we have done over the past 18 months. Decent man management. Yes/No?

To pick apart your post.

1) I choose those clubs as they are our rivals for promotion, all three appear to have a bit of spare cash. In the case of Mansfield and Swindon, not a long way to travel so not so much of an upheaval.
2) I suggested League 2 teams because it is a double whammy, you gain the divisions top scorer and you deprive us of his services.
3) Sammy has played a lot of football in League 1, his scoring form is deplorable at that level. Having said that his goal scoring prowess this season far exceeds anything he has achieved in the previous 7.
4) The "experts" I was referring to from your previous posts was those with in jobs in football, not supporters. Other clubs managers and scouts must have an opinion on the worth of Hoskins.
5) Brady currently rates just outside the top ten of Cobblers managers (out of 50). He has garnered 1.456pts per game and has won more games than he has lost. I'd say that's a pretty fair record and would indicate he has done a good job.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 01, 2023, 16:51:58 pm
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1) I choose those clubs as they are our rivals for promotion, all three appear to have a bit of spare cash. In the case of Mansfield and Swindon, not a long way to travel so not so much of an upheaval.
2) I suggested League 2 teams because it is a double whammy, you gain the divisions top scorer and you deprive us of his services.
3) Sammy has played a lot of football in League 1, his scoring form is deplorable at that level. Having said that his goal scoring prowess this season far exceeds anything he has achieved in the previous 7.
4) The "experts" I was referring to from your previous posts was those with in jobs in football, not supporters. Other clubs managers and scouts must have an opinion on the worth of Hoskins.
5) Brady currently rates just outside the top ten of Cobblers managers (out of 50). He has garnered 1.456pts per game and has won more games than he has lost. I'd say that's a pretty fair record and would indicate he has done a good job.

Thanks for the considered reply but decline to start with 'To pick apart your post' as that may appear an unhelpful comment on such subjective subject.
For me am surprised at your selection of three L2 sides who for me are unlikely to meet any NTFC transfer fee let alone wages to compensate for the risk he takes. As for the double whammy, by the same token Hoskins is not irreplaceable; as you say two of our best results did not include Hoskins in the side! As far as I am aware Hoskins has been amongst our leading scorers for some time now. Deplorable yes and probably cost us promotion last season with fewer goals scored.
 
As said before this is a subjective subject and perhaps both our opinions are correct or even both at fault.

So from my point of view the comments made by me are just an opinion and should be respected for what it is - as I do yours.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3551 on January 01, 2023, 21:06:56 pm
MK shabby twats are looking at him.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on January 03, 2023, 10:21:38 am
Only denied another goal yesterday by one of the best saves I have seen at Sixfields.

Why would he swap a team heading for division 1 for a team heading for division 2?.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Worthless Recluse on January 03, 2023, 15:35:52 pm
Only denied another goal yesterday by one of the best saves I have seen at Sixfields.

Why would he swap a team heading for division 1 for a team heading for division 2?.
Filthy lucre. Who wouldn't?
If we go up we'll be back down before you know it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 05, 2023, 09:38:17 am
Filthy lucre. Who wouldn't?
If we go up we'll be back down before you know it.

There is some opinion on here that the current team is better than the 21/22 team. Hoskins refused a transfer request to Wycombe when they were in the Championship! Not everybody shares your opinion on ‘filthy lucre’. Get some faith Recluse and shake off your Momentum shackles it’s downing you!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on January 05, 2023, 09:53:59 am
There would be no (realistic) bid that would make any sense to sell him. Unless he really wanted off it wouldn’t reflect well on the club to offload him for running costs.
Whether it’s a one season haul he is clearly a critical part of our promotion push.
Pity we can’t move Hylton on. Must be up there with the most expensive mistakes, in hindsight of course.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on January 05, 2023, 10:31:06 am
There would be no (realistic) bid that would make any sense to sell him. Unless he really wanted off it wouldn’t reflect well on the club to offload him for running costs.
Whether it’s a one season haul he is clearly a critical part of our promotion push.
Pity we can’t move Hylton on. Must be up there with the most expensive mistakes, in hindsight of course.
No one will take Hylton on his wages, I still think he will come good for us.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3063 on January 05, 2023, 11:23:40 am
No one will take Hylton on his wages, I still think he will come good for us.

I agree with Manny. I really hope he comes good for us, surely too much quality not to. It's very difficult for any player to perform when only playing 10 minutes every game. My concern is he isn't fit enough for our style of play, surely we should have known that before signing him. We were so desperate to get a 'proven goalscorer' in and we didn't do our proper checks, again. We also need to play balls to his feet, not up in the air. My brother-in-law who supports Luton thinks he should have been scoring 15-20 goals this season and is letting himself down or is not bothered. It must be difficult moving from the Championship play-off semi-final to playing Sutton and Harrogate in league 2.                     


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Worthless Recluse on January 05, 2023, 11:26:36 am
There would be no (realistic) bid that would make any sense to sell him. Unless he really wanted off it wouldn’t reflect well on the club to offload him for running costs.
Whether it’s a one season haul he is clearly a critical part of our promotion push.
Pity we can’t move Hylton on. Must be up there with the most expensive mistakes, in hindsight of course.
From the clubs pov for sure, I was replying to WSO who asked why would he swap us for another.
Unless he's a freak (quite possibly is) he's got maybe 5 years left. If someone within travel distance offered to double his wages for the next 2 years why wouldn't he jump?
The reason he hasn't gone before now isn't because of any misplaced loyalty on his part to NTFC.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Worthless Recluse on January 05, 2023, 11:28:14 am
I agree with Manny. I really hope he comes good for us, surely too much quality not to. It's very difficult for any player to perform when only playing 10 minutes every game. My concern is he isn't fit enough for our style of play, surely we should have known that before signing him. We were so desperate to get a 'proven goalscorer' in and we didn't do our proper checks, again. We also need to play balls to his feet, not up in the air. My brother-in-law who supports Luton thinks he should have been scoring 15-20 goals this season and is letting himself down or is not bothered. It must be difficult moving from the Championship play-off semi-final to playing Sutton and Harrogate in league 2.                     
We might have to wait until we're playing in div 3 and have changed our style to one which more closely suits his play?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on January 05, 2023, 12:02:42 pm
I can't see us changing our style of play, that has worked pretty well this season, to suit 1 player. If we were going to do that why not change it this season?. I don't know if Hylton isn't fit or can't be bothered but when he played the ball past the defender and attempted to chase it on Monday was comical.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 05, 2023, 12:31:56 pm
From the clubs pov for sure, I was replying to WSO who asked why would he swap us for another.
Unless he's a freak (quite possibly is) he's got maybe 5 years left. If someone within travel distance offered to double his wages for the next 2 years why wouldn't he jump?
The reason he hasn't gone before now isn't because of any misplaced loyalty on his part to NTFC.

Not every player is out for the money although I suspect Hoskins has done ok with his extended contract. Perhaps his wife and young family appreciate the stability he brings them. I personally don’t underestimate the power of the spouse. We have a player who at the moment exhibits strong common sense. We are fortunate to have him and his newly found scoring form. Because he doesn’t conform to the popular image of money grabbing players; may I suggest without rancour that your opinion of every League footballer does not necessarily follow the ultra popular trend?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 05, 2023, 12:33:16 pm
From the clubs pov for sure, I was replying to WSO who asked why would he swap us for another.
Unless he's a freak (quite possibly is) he's got maybe 5 years left. If someone within travel distance offered to double his wages for the next 2 years why wouldn't he jump?
The reason he hasn't gone before now isn't because of any misplaced loyalty on his part to NTFC.
If the money is right he will go. Absolutely no doubt about that. The question is whether or not we are prepared to incentivise him further. That will only be motivated by the level (if any) interest in him. I can’t see him commanding some of the fees being suggested. Up until this season he has been considered dispensable by a significant chunk of the support. In addition to that, he has shown to be out of his depth in league one.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 05, 2023, 14:03:50 pm
Hoskins refused a transfer request to Wycombe when they were in the Championship!

I've never seen that claim before. If true, he must have been off his rocker! Not as much as Wycombe were though.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3063 on January 05, 2023, 14:54:48 pm
I've never seen that claim before. If true, he must have been off his rocker! Not as much as Wycombe were though.

I don't know where evers got that one from, but there again I rarely do know where he gets things from  :P

I seem to remember Cambridge being mentioned as having an interest in him a couple of summers ago, possibly the year we were relegated and they were promoted.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on January 05, 2023, 15:17:46 pm
I don't know where evers got that one from, but there again I rarely do know where he gets things from  :P

I seem to remember Cambridge being mentioned as having an interest in him a couple of summers ago, possibly the year we were relegated and they were promoted.
Getting a little confused by the direction of this thread...are we talking about Hoskins, Hylton or Evers?  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on January 05, 2023, 15:19:32 pm
If the money is right he will go. Absolutely no doubt about that. The question is whether or not we are prepared to incentivise him further. That will only be motivated by the level (if any) interest in him. I can’t see him commanding some of the fees being suggested. Up until this season he has been considered dispensable by a significant chunk of the support. In addition to that, he has shown to be out of his depth in league one.

The evidence so far suggests it's not only about money for Hoskins. We've been told that offers have come in for him in the last couple of years from L1 and the Championship. I'm not sure he'll want to move to relatively small teams like Cambridge, MK Dons or others that are unlikely to fare much better than us in the near future, nor can I see those teams offering big money. I think it might need a bigger side to make him move on.

Don't really understand your comment about the support. Transfers are not made based on what supporters think. Our recent managers have all considered him indispensable. I would agree with your point about him struggling in L1 last time around, but I'm not sure he would now. He's a far better player than he was last time we were there.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on January 05, 2023, 15:20:53 pm
The last time we were in League One Sam played 44 times (the most of any of the squad) and was 2nd top scorer with 7 league goals. Ryan Watson scored one more.

I do recall that Wycombe came in for him when they were struggling at the wrong end of the Championship and almost certain to go down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%9321_Northampton_Town_F.C._season


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on January 05, 2023, 15:42:04 pm
THE LATEST: DERBY INTEREST

According to Football League World, Derby are one of six EFL sides looking at a January move for Hoskins.

As well as the Rams, League One rivals Barnsley, Portsmouth and Sheffield Wednesday are also interested in the forward.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on January 05, 2023, 15:55:42 pm
No idea what Hoskins is on but if any of those offer to double his wages and bung us £500k I’m sure it’ll be too good to turn down. Wouldn’t blame him at all and has given us good service. A player like him definitely need to strike when the iron is hot. These players aren’t earning a fortune and could be life changing for him and his family.
Personally I’d be offering him an enhancement to stay to the end of the season but that’s as a fan rather than an owner.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on January 05, 2023, 16:44:34 pm
No idea what Hoskins is on but if any of those offer to double his wages and bung us £500k I’m sure it’ll be too good to turn down. Wouldn’t blame him at all and has given us good service. A player like him definitely need to strike when the iron is hot. These players aren’t earning a fortune and could be life changing for him and his family.
Personally I’d be offering him an enhancement to stay to the end of the season but that’s as a fan rather than an owner.

KT, if nothing else, is very shrewd when it comes to transfer dealings, take a look at what we got for the vastly overpriced and overrated Goode.
If someone offers a £1m or a player plus cash deal for the little scamp then bite their arm off.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on January 05, 2023, 17:01:42 pm
KT, if nothing else, is very shrewd when it comes to transfer dealings, take a look at what we got for the vastly overpriced and overrated Goode.
If someone offers a £1m or a player plus cash deal for the little scamp then bite their arm off.
'little scamp' 😂
I bet bitd, some wag at Newell's Old Boys said the same about a certain Lionel! 😁


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 05, 2023, 19:07:28 pm
The evidence so far suggests it's not only about money for Hoskins. We've been told that offers have come in for him in the last couple of years from L1 and the Championship. I'm not sure he'll want to move to relatively small teams like Cambridge, MK Dons or others that are unlikely to fare much better than us in the near future, nor can I see those teams offering big money. I think it might need a bigger side to make him move on.

Don't really understand your comment about the support. Transfers are not made based on what supporters think. Our recent managers have all considered him indispensable. I would agree with your point about him struggling in L1 last time around, but I'm not sure he would now. He's a far better player than he was last time we were there.

As I said. It’s as simple as the price being right. It won’t matter who’s paying.

I never suggested supporters decide transfers. I was saying that for the right price a good percentage of our support would accept his sale. Assuming the money is used to advance us.. I accept that is a hugely optimistic assumption  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on January 05, 2023, 19:52:19 pm
As I said. It’s as simple as the price being right. It won’t matter who’s paying.

I never suggested supporters decide transfers. I was saying that for the right price a good percentage of our support would accept his sale. Assuming the money is used to advance us.. I accept that is a hugely optimistic assumption  ;D
Spot on Tel.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 05, 2023, 20:22:57 pm
I've never seen that claim before. If true, he must have been off his rocker! Not as much as Wycombe were though.

It was mentioned on here about two seasons ago and am pretty sure it attracted some comment in the Chron. It was in the time when Wycombe where in the Championship and struggling to survive.


...                                                                                                         (Posted some time in 2021),.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
You are missing the point but in any case he cleared off the line the other day which is as good as a tackle. If you are comparing Gilligan with Hoskins; I believe Hoskins has been subject of an offer, apparently from a Championship Club. The real point is that this is all to do honesty, loyalty and the ability to play where selected either in a game or actually selected. What has managerial success got to do with ambition without loyalty from your players. Please explain Bowens, Wilders and Carrs success without player loyalty?



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 05, 2023, 20:57:27 pm
I've never seen that claim before. If true, he must have been off his rocker! Not as much as Wycombe were though.

I don't think he was off his rocker at all. he only had one offer as far as I can remember and that from a Wycombe side likely to suffer relegation. So in my opinion perhaps he considered the situation and decided not to go.  I appreciate your attitude that a player should accept a higher offer specially to a higher division. But we talking about Hoskins who clearly has a mature head on his shoulders.  He most probably carefully considered his position here and compared with what  Wycombe had offered. I suspect he might have thought I can do better. Now we have a leading scorer on our books and if the right offer comes along for him and his family(and NFTC) he might go. For me it's not a given.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 05, 2023, 21:10:04 pm
I don't know where evers got that one from, but there again I rarely do know where he gets things from  :P

I seem to remember Cambridge being mentioned as having an interest in him a couple of summers ago, possibly the year we were relegated and they were promoted.

Cant remember Cambridge being mentioned but we are talking about at least 2 seasons ago so your time frame maybe amiss.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 06, 2023, 19:09:49 pm
THE LATEST: DERBY INTEREST

According to Football League World, Derby are one of six EFL sides looking at a January move for Hoskins.

As well as the Rams, League One rivals Barnsley, Portsmouth and Sheffield Wednesday are also interested in the forward.
And todays interested parties are:
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/exclusive-wigan-athletic-rotherham-united-and-huddersfield-town-hold-interest-in-league-two-star/


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3551 on January 06, 2023, 19:25:42 pm
Trade him in I say.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on January 06, 2023, 19:41:05 pm
Can't we stick a blondy brown wig on Hylton, introduce him as Sam and sell them him instead?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3551 on January 06, 2023, 19:56:57 pm
Can't we stick a blondy brown wig on Hylton, introduce him as Sam and still then him instead?

I don't think 'still then' is the solution. More like never again.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on January 06, 2023, 20:27:50 pm
I don't think 'still then' is the solution. More like never again.

Bloody auto complete...


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Charlatan on January 07, 2023, 10:15:08 am

I've got a feeling he could well go late into January. There seems to be some big clubs interested in him, especially the one's struggling in the championship and those looking for promotion from Lge 1. The Middlesbrough interest (if they are) seems a tad far fetched though, as given their position in the League (with due respect to Sam) I'm sure there are better players available.
           It's strange for all the stick Sam has taken over the years, the fact that we're talking him linked with these clubs really goes show how much he's improved as player. Fair play to him. :)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Irchy cob on January 07, 2023, 10:36:59 am
He’s definitely in the shop window today.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 07, 2023, 10:40:08 am

           It's strange for all the stick Sam has taken over the years, the fact that we're talking him linked with these clubs really goes show how much he's improved as player. Fair play to him. :)

That's all it is at the minute though, talk. Be strange if the divisions leading scorer wasn't being "talked" about in footballing circles, however let's see who actually puts their money where their mouth is.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 07, 2023, 11:10:41 am
           It's strange for all the stick Sam has taken over the years, the fact that we're talking him linked with these clubs really goes show how much he's improved as player. Fair play to him. :)

Absolutely.. It’s hard to remember just how bang average (compliment) he was for ages.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on January 07, 2023, 13:33:03 pm
Absolutely.. It’s hard to remember just how bang average (compliment) he was for ages.
Not after todays “performance “


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on January 07, 2023, 15:11:44 pm
Definitely one of his quieter games though the shot the goalkeeper saved smartly was after a neat piece of close control and a tidily executed shot on target under pressure.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 07, 2023, 16:00:12 pm
Not after todays “performance “

😂😂


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on January 07, 2023, 16:11:00 pm
Not after todays “performance “

Let's hope it's put all his suitors off, although he still scored and showed some good touches, so I wouldn't be so sure.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on January 07, 2023, 16:25:50 pm
Am I the only one who wouldn't begrudge Hoskins a decent move?

Yes, he would be a huge miss, but he's been a real loyal servant to us through good and bad times...

He's 29 so this would be the last opportunity for a decent move for him and a decent payday...

If he goes, good luck to the fella, he deserves it.

I obviously hope he stays btw  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 07, 2023, 16:26:53 pm
Let's hope it's put all his suitors off, although he still scored and showed some good touches, so I wouldn't be so sure.

It was the Sam Hoskins show today. First he lost the man he was marking in the area who promptly scored, then scored himself, a gift from their keeper, he then lost the ball from which they broke and scored. Who knows, had we been awarded the penalty he could well have been the player to tie things up.

That wasn't a performance for the shop window, unless the shop was B&M.

Unlike so many on here, I wouldn't be that disappointed if he went as long as the fee was given to Brady to strengthen the team. I still maintain our best two performances this season came when Hoskins was missing.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3551 on January 07, 2023, 19:31:09 pm
I asked my accountant if we should sell Bob and she said yes.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 08, 2023, 11:25:32 am
Am I the only one who wouldn't begrudge Hoskins a decent move?

No… There’s a few of us who wouldn’t blame him, and in fact wouldn’t mind.

As Marvo, Manwork and I have said. We'd welcome a decent fee for him, if we had some guarantee that it would be given to Brady to re-invest in the squad.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on January 08, 2023, 12:56:57 pm
overtaken Ian Benjamin in overall goals and level with Alan Woan. (only 5 behind Bayo! now)
overtaken Paul Stratford in league goals.

overtaken Tommy Wells in overall apps and level with Ron Patterson. (4 apps behind the great Jack English, but still needs to more than double his goals for the number 1 spot)


I'm, not one to take credit, but his league record since I started this thread is 29 goals in 61 games. pretty much a 1/2 striker (winger)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 08, 2023, 13:19:39 pm
overtaken Ian Benjamin in overall goals and level with Alan Woan. (only 5 behind Bayo! now)
overtaken Paul Stratford in league goals.



I don't want to pour any water on your statistical fire but hasn't Hoskins made over twice the amount of appearances as Bayo?

If so, the goal scoring total is a bit ingenious. It's a bit like me and the world darts champion throwing darts at the dartboard. The champion gets 180 in 3 darts. However I claim to be better than him because I reached 181, although it took me 25 darts.

They are interesting stats but have no real relevance. The four other players you mention were all far better strikers than Hoskins.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on January 08, 2023, 13:20:30 pm
If we sell him then we never really see that money back. Charlie Goode etc. We could also see another donkey on big bucks. We’ll be very, very lucky to sign anyone who will bang in the missing goals.
If we don’t begrudge the owners funding their outlay then fair enough.
Plus if he really wants to go you can’t stand in his way.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on January 08, 2023, 13:29:44 pm
I don't want to pour any water on your statistical fire but hasn't Hoskins made over twice the amount of appearances as Bayo?

If so, the goal scoring total is a bit ingenious. It's a bit like me and the world darts champion throwing darts at the dartboard. The champion gets 180 in 3 darts. However I claim to be better than him because I reached 181, although it took me 25 darts.

They are interesting stats but have no real relevance. The four other players you mention were all far better strikers than Hoskins.
Absolutely spot on Marvo.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on January 08, 2023, 14:21:46 pm
I don't want to pour any water on your statistical fire but hasn't Hoskins made over twice the amount of appearances as Bayo?

If so, the goal scoring total is a bit ingenious. It's a bit like me and the world darts champion throwing darts at the dartboard. The champion gets 180 in 3 darts. However I claim to be better than him because I reached 181, although it took me 25 darts.

They are interesting stats but have no real relevance. The four other players you mention were all far better strikers than Hoskins.

I don't think you had reappeared when I said it's nothing to do with whether they were a better striker or not, I'm just updating people with the stats on where he compares in historical relevence with previous players for Northampton. Nothing more. Akinfenwa played 188 games just for the record at 39.3% goals to games ratio.

(but since this thread hoskins has a goals ratio of 47.5%, playing in a regular position that suits him, and not at rwb as Curle thought)

(Woan was 56%, pretty much the best in the post war era apart from the statistical outlier of Holton 79.4%)

Also I don't think Hoskins is a striker. A wide forward player yes.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: lordjord on January 08, 2023, 15:03:47 pm
I think its fair to say his overall contributions in games has gone down as he drifts inside far more this season, make out to in runs to ensure he gets better chances to shoot. He is shooting at a record rate in his career, averaging 3.26 shots per game, his career average is 2.19. It feels like he regularly hits the target now also, again hes doing so at a record rate of 51.4% shots on target, his career average is 37.2%.

So he is featuring less in the general play but popping up in much more dangerous areas. The criticism of him in previous years was A) that he was seemingly undroppable despite being shoehorned into random positions and B) his lack of end product. Well now we are not relying on his crossing ability etc as he is getting into shooting positions instead. People can argue we have played better without him, but taking out almost half the goals from this team is not something I would choose to do.

If he does get a move then I would not begrudge it at all, hes given his all throughout his time here. But I think his worth to us is more than any potential sale fee, as a lot of clubs look for potential sell on value, of which there is little from a 29 year old.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on January 08, 2023, 15:33:45 pm

They are interesting stats but have no real relevance. The four other players you mention were all far better strikers than Hoskins.

No real relevance?!  Rising up the charts in terms of all time Cobblers goalscorers, I think is very relevant.

I am sure that Sammo and Razor are higher up the scoring charts than some supposedly better strikers, but I was still delighted to see each goal, celebrate it and be grateful for them.

Each Cobblers goal is relevant for me, even the penalties and on those rare occasions we have a player scoring like Super Sam is this season, I am going to celebrate it and look forward to each update on this thread of who he passed and who is next.

Sorry Marvo, I disagree. I'm sure you don't mind others having different opinions, it wouldn't be the first time someone hasn't seen eye to eye with you.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on January 08, 2023, 16:13:06 pm
thank you bingers. i will also add that my opening post included 'This thread will attempt to keep up to date with the rise up the appearance ladder', with no mention of goals.

Clearly then, I didn't expect him to rise up the goal ladder as quickly as he had. Considering he has overtaken 20+ players since shows how low down he was, whereas he was on the verge of knocking on the top 20 of apps. He is now our 14th all time scorer so I also think it is entirely relevant, to the thread at least!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 08, 2023, 18:38:34 pm
I don't want to pour any water on your statistical fire but hasn't Hoskins made over twice the amount of appearances as Bayo?

If so, the goal scoring total is a bit ingenious. It's a bit like me and the world darts champion throwing darts at the dartboard. The champion gets 180 in 3 darts. However I claim to be better than him because I reached 181, although it took me 25 darts.

They are interesting stats but have no real relevance. The four other players you mention were all far better strikers than Hoskins.

Interesting comments but at the end of the day Parkies comments are just an opinion as is yours. Personally we should welcome then!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 08, 2023, 18:44:16 pm
thank you bingers. i will also add that my opening post included 'This thread will attempt to keep up to date with the rise up the appearance ladder', with no mention of goals.

Clearly then, I didn't expect him to rise up the goal ladder as quickly as he had. Considering he has overtaken 20+ players since shows how low down he was, whereas he was on the verge of knocking on the top 20 of apps. He is now our 14th all time scorer so I also think it is entirely relevant, to the thread at least!


Me too Bingers, good post from you.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on January 09, 2023, 07:06:52 am
If he hangs around he’ll probably end up in our top ten for appearances and goals. Considering he rarely plays as a striker it’s not too shabby. In the previous era he would be getting a testimonial towards the end of his career.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on January 09, 2023, 07:21:24 am
Personally, I don't think it's all that relevant how many games he got his goals over - he still got them and he got them for us and in doing so he's had a significant effect on our points tally.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 09, 2023, 09:02:59 am
No… There’s a few of us who wouldn’t blame him, and in fact wouldn’t mind.

As Marvo, Manwork and I have said. We'd welcome a decent fee for him, if we had some guarantee that it would be given to Brady to re-invest in the squad[/bold]

Your last comment says it all - a replacement for Hoskins good enough to keep us on track will be expensive even without player wages! It’s all very good to claim he deserves the chance (which he does), but there is no guarantee the Board will provide sufficient funds for a striker. Our recent record in signing ‘strikers’ is a bit shabby. Personally would up his wages and bonuses when he reaches 20 goals. Remember he is nearly 30yrs so think about it!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 09, 2023, 09:22:17 am
Personally, I don't think it's all that relevant how many games he got his goals over - he still got them and he got them for us and in doing so he's had a significant effect on our points tally.

This is nonsense. It either assumes nobody would have played instead of him or that player would have had no affect on the result. We have played 5 league games this season without Hoskins, we won 3, drew 1, lost 1. That's 2pts per game without Hoskins as against 1.8pts per game with him in the side. However those stats hide the real story. All those 5 games were away from home and we won at Bradford, Swindon, Stevenage and even drew at League leaders Leyton Orient (with 10 men). You could argue that they were our best 4 performances of the season, all WITHOUT Hoskins.

If he goes, he goes, I shan't lose any sleep over it. I don't think he will though, I don't think other clubs rate him as highly as some of our supporters do but I'd be MORE than happy to be proved wrong on that point.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on January 09, 2023, 09:31:19 am
I can’t believe the negativity (well I can as haters are gonna hate) over a player about to become our first 20 goal getter in many, many years. Even alluding we’d be better off dropping him. Stats can be spun however you like. Some people’s heart must sink every time he hits the back of the net and get ready to gloat when he is off par. They’d love to discount his pens and soft goals.
It’s all about opinions though and I never rated sulky David Seal, although some thought he was Messi. Dave Savage was also one of my favourite players, despite being a boo boy. Maybe I like the underdogs.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 09, 2023, 09:50:20 am
I can’t believe the negativity (well I can as haters are gonna hate) over a player about to become our first 20 goal getter in many, many years. Even alluding we’d be better off dropping him. Stats can be spun however you like. Some people’s heart must sink every time he hits the back of the net and get ready to gloat when he is off par. They’d love to discount his pens and soft goals.
It’s all about opinions though and I never rated sulky David Seal, although some thought he was Messi. Dave Savage was also one of my favourite players, despite being a boo boy. Maybe I like the underdogs.

If that's aimed at me, I don't HATE him, I just don't RATE him as highly as others obviously do. He's been here nearly 8 years, for me this is the first season he has been worth his place. I also don't "Allude" we'd have been better off without him, I'm fairly certain of it. I couldn't believe he was brought back in the side after the performance at Bradford, we looked like Champions that day.

Finally, Underdog? Really? I'd have said the fan worship of such a bang average player has meant he is anything but an underdog.

PS: I liked Seal, real striker. Atkins ruined him, no wonder he was in such a sulk. I also rated Dave Savage though so we're on the same page there.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on January 09, 2023, 10:17:58 am
I agree he has OTT fans. It’s the polarised nature of opinions these days. If he’d been selected in the most effective positions I’m sure he would have had more goals. He is undoubtedly in the best form of his career, so I just personally think it’s not the best timing to try and pick him apart. Something has clearly clicked, he has the confidence to shoot and even picking up some unexpected goals. Fans of most teams would be unequivocally celebrating his current success.
Whatever our results have been without him this season, I personally wouldn’t want to face the rest of it without his current input. I don’t see any realistic fee making any tangible difference.
It’s the likes of Pinnock, Hylton, Appere and Eppiah who need to start bringing more to the party, along with our defensive frailties. McWilliams just needs to stay fit!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on January 09, 2023, 12:08:53 pm
This is nonsense. It either assumes nobody would have played instead of him or that player would have had no affect on the result. We have played 5 league games this season without Hoskins, we won 3, drew 1, lost 1. That's 2pts per game without Hoskins as against 1.8pts per game with him in the side. However those stats hide the real story. All those 5 games were away from home and we won at Bradford, Swindon, Stevenage and even drew at League leaders Leyton Orient (with 10 men). You could argue that they were our best 4 performances of the season, all WITHOUT Hoskins.
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Ifs, buts and maybes. We can debate what other players might have done until the cows come home but we'll never know the answer because it's all purely supposition.

The cold, hard facts are that Hoskins has made the amount of appearances he has made and scored the amount of goals he has scored and each of those goals has been a positive for the club. The values in both appearances and goals columns are impressive and worthy of applause, and that's what this thread is about.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on January 09, 2023, 13:15:18 pm
Hoskins in previous seasons has fluffed chances when he’s had more time on the ball and been in two minds to pass or shoot.
 This season whilst I think his overall game has suffered he certainly has an instinct to shoot first and ask questions later and it’s working well for him. As Marvo has said we play well when he’s not available so possibly the balance of team works better without him but what manager drops an in form goal machine. Games missed were injuries and suspension if I recall correctly.

Louis A is a player who puts a shift in but is a guilty of over playing and not being the greedy clinical finisher a good striker needs to be. Still young though do this might change and he might yet win a header 😎


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 09, 2023, 13:23:17 pm
Hoskins in previous seasons has fluffed chances when he’s had more time on the ball and been in two minds to pass or shoot.
 This season whilst I think his overall game has suffered he certainly has an instinct to shoot first and ask questions later and it’s working well for him. As Marvo has said we play well when he’s not available so possibly the balance of team works better without him but what manager drops an in form goal machine. Games missed were injuries and suspension if I recall correctly.

Louis A is a player who puts a shift in but is a guilty of over playing and not being the greedy clinical finisher a good striker needs to be. Still young though do this might change and he might yet win a header 😎

My gripe is, Hoskins was suspended for the Bradford game because of dissent, mouthing off at a Referee. Without him we gave our best performance of the season. So if Brady had selected the same side the message would have been clear. If you play well you stay in the team and if you are stupid enough to get needlessly booked then don't expect to come straight back in. Instead by selecting Hoskins for the next game the message was, I don't care how well the team played, I'm dropping one of you to accommodate Hoskins. Bad decision by Brady for multiple reasons, one of which would have to be, why the hell not see if that starting 11 could build on that performance and do it again in the next game, eevn if it was only for a half. Now we'll never know.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on January 09, 2023, 13:49:39 pm
In the game following Bradford (Gillingham away) Hoskins scored the first and set up the second.

Brady's decision to bring Hoskins back into the team was vindicated.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on January 09, 2023, 13:52:57 pm
In the game following Bradford (Gillingham away) Hoskins scored the first and set up the second.

Brady's decision to bring Hoskins back into the team was vindicated.

that was actually the previous game. but marvo was also wrong that the yellow card was for 'dissent, mouthing off at a Referee'. It was actually for stopping a free kick being taken because he thought it should have been further back.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on January 09, 2023, 14:04:58 pm
that was actually the previous game. but marvo was also wrong that the yellow card was for 'dissent, mouthing off at a Referee'. It was actually for stopping a free kick being taken because he thought it should have been further back.

A clear Red for both Marvo and myself - posts of no merit!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 09, 2023, 15:18:29 pm
I agree he has OTT fans. It’s the polarised nature of opinions these days. If he’d been selected in the most effective positions I’m sure he would have had more goals. He is undoubtedly in the best form of his career, so I just personally think it’s not the best timing to try and pick him apart. Something has clearly clicked, he has the confidence to shoot and even picking up some unexpected goals. Fans of most teams would be unequivocally celebrating his current success.
Whatever our results have been without him this season, I personally wouldn’t want to face the rest of it without his current input. I don’t see any realistic fee making any tangible difference.
It’s the likes of Pinnock, Hylton, Appere and Eppiah who need to start bringing more to the party, along with our defensive frailties. McWilliams just needs to stay fit!

To add to that have seen Hoskins in most of his matches this season and in my opinion we owe him a lot; our current position proves that . It’s all well and good cherry picking results to prove a point. For me it is pointless to denigrate a player who has given such loyal service over many seasons and who is now in top form. I would suggest some on here might spare a thought for the coaching ability of JB and Co.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 09, 2023, 15:28:13 pm

It’s all about opinions though and I never rated sulky David Seal, although some thought he was Messi. Dave Savage was also one of my favourite players, despite being a boo boy. Maybe I like the underdogs.
I lov ed David Seal, but Atkins played him as a target man, with his back to goal, instead of running on to the ball. Joe Jordan described him as a flash harry who only wanted to score. I would take that. Plus against Bristol City at Sixfields, he was in the centre circle, and belted Woodys goal kick against the bar. Some effort that.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on January 09, 2023, 16:40:43 pm
I agree he has OTT fans.

Certainly does, I saw one at Salford, he had a bucket hat covered in Sam Hoskins faces. How his little face must have lit up on Christmas day unwrapping his present and seeing The Chosen One smiling up at him multiple times.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 09, 2023, 17:35:14 pm
Certainly does, I saw one at Salford, he had a bucket hat covered in Sam Hoskins faces. How his little face must have lit up on Christmas day unwrapping his present and seeing The Chosen One smiling up at him multiple times.

You are just jealous Boris >:D >:D >:D 8) 8) 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 09, 2023, 17:39:44 pm
My gripe is, Hoskins was suspended for the Bradford game because of dissent, mouthing off at a Referee. Without him we gave our best performance of the season. So if Brady had selected the same side the message would have been clear. If you play well you stay in the team and if you are stupid enough to get needlessly booked then don't expect to come straight back in. Instead by selecting Hoskins for the next game the message was, I don't care how well the team played, I'm dropping one of you to accommodate Hoskins. Bad decision by Brady for multiple reasons, one of which would have to be, why the hell not see if that starting 11 could build on that performance and do it again in the next game, eevn if it was only for a half. Now we'll never know.

As you may know, I've always been hugely supportive of Sam and a big fan of his...

However, you make an interesting point ref our results (with detail) without him in the side. I went to Stevenage and saw Bradford on i-player and I would argue that in those two games, we were very decent going forward and perhaps more fluid than we have been in many of the other games. Especially the Bradford one. I'm not sure Orient is a good example because that was a pure, full on defensive show with 10 men. Swindon away...a late winning goal but again, very much deserved.

The way I see it is that there is only one outfield player in our current squad that is non replaceable in the sense of us having no one similar or up to that players standards that we can slot in when he's not available. That player is McWilliams.

Would I sell him? If we got an offer for 500k plus then yeah, if it meant him doubling his wages etc. It would be foolish not too. He's 29 and arguably wont get another opportunity to move for decent bucks in the future to a bigger club. Or perhaps a money bags team like Wrexham or Stockport.

I would also argue though that a big chunk of that (wages or other) would have too be re-invested into a replacement.

Its never been about his goals for me. His overall work rate is phenomenal. Appere's similar, his pressing alone is immense. Those types of players are hard too come by at any level, we know that very well.

Our team is the highest scoring side in the division and its been very much a collective effort. I don't think any one player is responsible for that, the key is though is when you start breaking up a side it will eventually bite you on the ass. But like I say...500k or more...I think we'd be foolish not to take it. And let Sam get a decent pay cheque after 8 much appreciated years of service.

Personally I hope no one offers us the £ and he's still here come 1st February though...




Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 09, 2023, 17:41:04 pm
Whatever our results have been without him this season, I personally wouldn’t want to face the rest of it without his current input. I don’t see any realistic fee making any tangible difference.
It’s the likes of Pinnock, Hylton, Appere and Eppiah who need to start bringing more to the party, along with our defensive frailties. McWilliams just needs to stay fit!

I think you’re being overprotective here. I can only see one post where someone alludes to wanting him to go. Yes they’re is some debunking of certain stats and myths regarding his performances and goals. But only a fool would equate that to a suggestion that people want rid.

He’s having his best season by a country mile. Any other season, the vast majority of our support would have accepted his departure in any of the transfer windows. So let’s enjoy it whilst it last. If he does go, I think we'll be ok, as long as anything we get for him is used shrewdly.  



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 09, 2023, 17:51:15 pm
that was actually the previous game. but marvo was also wrong that the yellow card was for 'dissent, mouthing off at a Referee'. It was actually for stopping a free kick being taken because he thought it should have been further back.

The point stands. Booked needlessly. Christ, if he was anywhere near as good as you think he is, that suspension could have cost us dearly. As it turned out it was a blessing in disguise.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on January 09, 2023, 18:46:47 pm
The point stands. Booked needlessly. Christ, if he was anywhere near as good as you think he is, that suspension could have cost us dearly. As it turned out it was a blessing in disguise.

I thought you liked stats?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on January 09, 2023, 19:06:33 pm
I would agree that he gets too many needless yellow cards for a player in his position and many are avoidable such as pulling back an opposition player when they are only just outside their own penalty area and not in a threatening position or yapping to the referee. A tough tackling midfield player like McWilliams is likely to accumulate yellow cards but again some of his are avoidable such as not retreating 10 yards for an opposition free kick.
Sam is obviously having his best season and his finishing has improved immensely and he has scored some quality goals which is much of the reason for our current league position. He also does a lot of closing down and chasing back to good effect and I hope he remains our player.
I do not hold with the theory that you should not change a winning team and it would be a brave or stupid manager to leave out his top goal scorer unless said player was in a goal drought which Sam wasn't. A winning team can still be improved and JB and CC (who know more about the game than us) may think that the next opposition offer a different challenge and the team may need tweaking accordingly, personally I am happy to leave it to them.
Talking of JB and CC isn't it good to have a management who don't only have a plan A but are willing to change formations and tactics during the course of the game.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 09, 2023, 19:30:06 pm
I thought you liked stats?

You class that as a stat? What somebody got booked for? Whatever floats your boat.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 09, 2023, 19:40:39 pm
The two players we missed on Saturday were McWilliams and Appere... 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on January 09, 2023, 19:41:16 pm
You class that as a stat? What somebody got booked for? Whatever floats your boat.

It was in regards to you thinking I've offered an opinion on him ...'Christ, if he was anywhere near as good as you think he is'.
I haven't given an opinion on him. Just stats. Christ.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 09, 2023, 21:19:40 pm
The two players we missed on Saturday were McWilliams and Appere... 8)

I would also suggest Sowerby and Magloire


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on January 10, 2023, 09:51:12 am
It is pointless comparing Hoskins goals and his number of appearances to those of Benjamin or Akinfenwa who played as strikers whereas Hoskins has played mostly out wide, sometimes at wing back and very occasionally in the centre unless you have an obvious downer on the player and want to use irrelevant stats to try and prove a point. You may as well compare Guthrie and Horsfall who both almost reached double figures last season and say they are not as good as Akinfenwa.

Anyway 606 don't be put off posting your stats as many on here appreciate them.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 10, 2023, 10:33:22 am
It is pointless comparing Hoskins goals and his number of appearances to those of Benjamin or Akinfenwa who played as strikers whereas Hoskins has played mostly out wide, sometimes at wing back and very occasionally in the centre unless you have an obvious downer on the player and want to use irrelevant stats to try and prove a point. You may as well compare Guthrie and Horsfall who both almost reached double figures last season and say they are not as good as Akinfenwa.

Anyway 606 don't be put off posting your stats as many on here appreciate them.

What a strange post. You tell 606 its pointless comparing stats between Hoskins and others but then ask him to keep posting them. You'll soon make your bloody mind up.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on January 10, 2023, 10:54:49 am
What a strange post. You tell 606 its pointless comparing stats between Hoskins and others but then ask him to keep posting them. You'll soon make your bloody mind up.
;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on January 10, 2023, 11:39:15 am
Not a strange post at all Marvo, 606 was relaying the fact that Sam has overtaken certain former players with his goals tally and number of appearances, nothing more nothing less, he was not drawing any conclusion as to whether he is a better player than any of those he has overtaken just stating the stats. It was you that immediately replied with your comparison to how Sam's record compares to strikers like Akinfenwa which is not comparing like for like and stating his stats have no relevance.
Since you've returned you seem to dislike anybody else posting any stats by constantly dissing them, you don't like the fact that GPC and myself only refer to the clubs record since our inclusion into the Football League and do not take account of our Southern League days. I think you need to take a step back and reflect as you are becoming the forums Prince Harry - I am always right, nothing is my fault.

As I previously said keep posting 606, personally I do not record individual players career goals and appearances and your posts are appreciated.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on January 10, 2023, 11:50:14 am
;D

I enjoy reading the ‘stats’ posts from all forum members and am happy to forgive any misplaced info which is generally of little consequence. I like to encourage them as it’s their time and effort.  Keep them coming all four of you (GOMP)
Incidentally have not seen any in depth preview for the Stockport game?  Hope to see all of you at Edgeley Park all being well.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on January 10, 2023, 12:00:27 pm
#Statlife


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 10, 2023, 12:09:16 pm
Not a strange post at all Marvo, 606 was relaying the fact that Sam has overtaken certain former players with his goals tally and number of appearances, nothing more nothing less, he was not drawing any conclusion as to whether he is a better player than any of those he has overtaken just stating the stats. It was you that immediately replied with your comparison to how Sam's record compares to strikers like Akinfenwa which is not comparing like for like and stating his stats have no relevance.
Since you've returned you seem to dislike anybody else posting any stats by constantly dissing them, you don't like the fact that GPC and myself only refer to the clubs record since our inclusion into the Football League and do not take account of our Southern League days. I think you need to take a step back and reflect as you are becoming the forums Prince Harry - I am always right, nothing is my fault.

As I previously said keep posting 606, personally I do not record individual players career goals and appearances and your posts are appreciated.

I never said his stats were irrelevant, I said comparing how many goals players scored without taking into account how many appearances they made was irrelevant. 606 has made it clear that is not the comparison he was making and I'm happy to accept that.

As for you, how are you feeling about the clubs 125 year celebration? Have you informed them that it only 103 years as our records only count from 1920 when they became members of Division 3 South? Of course not, the whole thing is ludicrous. The only reason your records only go back to 1920 is because previously you haven't had access to records prior to that.

I actually love people posting stats, it's a hobby of mine so it makes them a kindred spirit. I just like them to be accurate. Otherwise what's the point?

As for me I am often wrong, especially when relying on memory, it's an age thing. I struggle to recall what I had for dinner yesterday let along what Hoskins was booked for several weeks ago. I'm also very happy when somebody finds a mistake in my stats, it's very important to me that they are correct, far more important than me being right.

PS: You should ask 606 where he got his stats from originally, they are not widely available.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 10, 2023, 12:12:10 pm

Incidentally have not seen any in depth preview for the Stockport game?  

Our first game against Stockport was in 1959 Evers, so no need for me to get involved, I'm sure the others will tell you all you need to know once they've consulted Soccerbase etc.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 10, 2023, 12:25:40 pm
#Statlife
This morning, I got rudely awakend by the dustmen.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 10, 2023, 13:01:30 pm
This morning, I got rudely awakend by the dustmen.

I was up early feeding pigeons and the odd sparrow…


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on January 10, 2023, 13:25:37 pm
No need to consult Soccerbase.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3548 on January 10, 2023, 16:18:20 pm
He gets intimidated by the dirty pigeons :afro


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on January 10, 2023, 16:29:29 pm

Since you've returned you seem to dislike anybody else posting any stats by constantly dissing them, you don't like the fact that GPC and myself only refer to the clubs record since our inclusion into the Football League and do not take account of our Southern League days. I think you need to take a step back and reflect as you are becoming the forums Prince Harry - I am always right, nothing is my fault.

Actually West Stand it's not a new thing. Marvo has always been like that on this forum. He'd been quite restrained on his return until a few people had the cheek to disagree with him. He was never likely to admitt the possibility of being wrong about something, whatever he says in his last post.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 10, 2023, 17:50:04 pm
Actually West Stand it's not a new thing. Marvo has always been like that on this forum. He'd been quite restrained on his return until a few people had the cheek to disagree with him. He was never likely to admitt the possibility of being wrong about something, whatever he says in his last post.

What are you talking about, I was wrong earlier this week when I said Hoskins was booked for dissent when I'm reliably been informed by 606 it was for kicking the ball away (or something like that). I don't mind being wrong, the older I get, the more times I'm wrong.

Now tell me, what is it that people have disagreed with me about?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3548 on January 10, 2023, 18:11:20 pm
What are you talking about, I was wrong earlier this week when I said Hoskins was booked for dissent when I'm reliably been informed by 606 it was for kicking the ball away (or something like that). I don't mind being wrong, the older I get, the more times I'm wrong.

Now tell me, what is it that people have disagreed with me about?
In your previous incarnation you wound people up, one person in particular, who no longer posts on here, but offered you a straightener which you wisely declined . Are you starting to slip back into old habits?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 10, 2023, 18:18:01 pm
In your previous incarnation you wound people up, one person in particular, who no longer posts on here, but offered you a straightener which you wisely declined . Are you starting to slip back into old habits?

What's a straightener? I googled it and can only find reference to hairdressers?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on January 10, 2023, 18:19:26 pm
What's a straightener? I googled it and can only find reference to hairdressers?
I like your stats Marvo.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 10, 2023, 18:34:10 pm
I like your stats Marvo.

Thank you. They are available under the world sign on my name, though it is an awkward way to do it as the reference changes every time I update. I've asked permission to put them on this forum in another section for people to reference if they wish but as yet haven't got permission. I've another workbook that has all the league tables, results, since 1897. If I obtain the go-ahead I'll post that too.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3548 on January 10, 2023, 18:35:00 pm
What's a straightener? I googled it and can only find reference to hairdressers?
Fisticuffs!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on January 11, 2023, 08:39:38 am
What are you talking about, I was wrong earlier this week when I said Hoskins was booked for dissent when I'm reliably been informed by 606 it was for kicking the ball away (or something like that). I don't mind being wrong, the older I get, the more times I'm wrong.

Now tell me, what is it that people have disagreed with me about?

I think the fact that you haven't noticed says it all really. I'm not going to get into an argument with you. I've been down that road before and I know It's a pointless exercise.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 11, 2023, 09:18:46 am
I think the fact that you haven't noticed says it all really. I'm not going to get into an argument with you. I've been down that road before and I know It's a pointless exercise.

It is a pointless exercise because football is a game of opinions, there is no right or wrong. This thread is about Hoskins. Now some might say they think Hoskins is a better player than Richard Hill for example. We can all "argue" about the pros and cons for that, produce stats, whatever, but at the end of the day nobody can ever be proven right or wrong, you can only form an opinion.

FACTS on the other hand are a different kettle of fish.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on January 11, 2023, 10:21:37 am
It is a pointless exercise because football is a game of opinions, there is no right or wrong. This thread is about Hoskins. Now some might say they think Hoskins is a better player than Richard Hill for example. We can all "argue" about the pros and cons for that, produce stats, whatever, but at the end of the day nobody can ever be proven right or wrong, you can only form an opinion.

FACTS on the other hand are a different kettle of fish.

Hill had a better mullet.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3548 on January 11, 2023, 11:24:12 am
And better facial hair


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on January 11, 2023, 12:39:50 pm
Thank you. They are available under the world sign on my name, though it is an awkward way to do it as the reference changes every time I update. I've asked permission to put them on this forum in another section for people to reference if they wish but as yet haven't got permission. I've another workbook that has all the league tables, results, since 1897. If I obtain the go-ahead I'll post that too.

Hats off. Very impressive stuff.
I did notice that they don’t count a win on pens as a win. It’s a shame as suggests we have never beaten Liverpool. Does that mean Argentina didn’t beat France? Light hearted nit picking as I can see the amount of work that has gone into that and a great reference document for generations to come. Make sure you pass it on!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 11, 2023, 14:35:26 pm
Hats off. Very impressive stuff.
I did notice that they don’t count a win on pens as a win. It’s a shame as suggests we have never beaten Liverpool. Does that mean Argentina didn’t beat France? Light hearted nit picking as I can see the amount of work that has gone into that and a great reference document for generations to come. Make sure you pass it on!

I will and I have done. I think several people have got a copy now, Dustin Grande (Frank son) asked for it and I also think it can be downloaded from that link. As long as people have excel its very easy to keep updated after each game. I did toy with the idea of building a website for it (I run one for my golf society) but there is so much information it would be massive and I don't know how to make it interactive for searches. There's also the problem that I'm old so if something happened to me who would keep it going?

Glad you like it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 20, 2023, 14:13:47 pm
Has now overtaken Jack English in overall appearances, while being one behind Roly Mills to enter the top 10.
in the league ladder he has overtaken Barry Tucker, Tommy Wells, Billy Pease and Phil Chard in recent games.

also overtaken Alan Woan and drawn level with Harry King in overall goals to go joint 13th.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Cobblercw on February 20, 2023, 15:21:25 pm
My favourite player. In my all time list too.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 20, 2023, 15:59:34 pm
Has now overtaken Jack English in overall appearances, while being one behind Roly Mills to enter the top 10.
in the league ladder he has overtaken Barry Tucker, Tommy Wells, Billy Pease and Phil Chard in recent games.

also overtaken Alan Woan and drawn level with Harry King in overall goals to go joint 13th.

Did you run this by Marvo before you posted it?  ;D :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 20, 2023, 16:26:55 pm
Did you run this by Marvo before you posted it?  ;D :P

christ,  ;D he can discuss whether appearances are relevent to appearances records in his own time.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 20, 2023, 19:21:17 pm
Did you run this by Marvo before you posted it?  ;D :P


I stopped dabbling in goal scorers and appearances, I find them irrelevant, apart from if you happen to hold the club record in either. A player only stays at a club a long time if they are so average that nobody else wants them, which is sort of a judgement in itself. Historically that probably wasn't the case, one club players were the norm decades ago.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 20, 2023, 19:25:48 pm
I stopped dabbling in goal scorers and appearances, I find them irrelevant, apart from if you happen to hold the club record in either. A player only stays at a club a long time if they are so average that nobody else wants them, which is sort of a judgement in itself. Historically that probably wasn't the case, one club players were the norm decades ago.

You've changed... ;D
When was the last time we had a player/manager who qualified for a 10 year 'Testimonial' game?
I remember going to the Dave Bowen Testimonial against Loserpool (2-2?), I don't recall any since?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 20, 2023, 19:34:09 pm
You've changed... ;D
When was the last time we had a player/manager who qualified for a 10 year 'Testimonial' game?
I remember going to the Dave Bowen Testimonial against Loserpool (2-2?), I don't recall any since?

No. Those game were quite regular in those days, at least one every season. Players used to turn down transfers because they knew one more season would entitle them to a testimonial and a handsome pay day. Shows how the game has changed.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Merry Comrade on February 21, 2023, 17:46:58 pm
I remember going to Ian Sampson's testimonial game. I can't remember the details but he definitely had one.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 21, 2023, 20:56:47 pm
Hoskins goal on Saturday was his 1st in 6 games. Of course we still lost, as we have in the last three games that Hoskins has scored. In fact you have to go way back to September for the last time Hoskins scored the decisive goal to win the match, though he did get 1 of the goals in the 2-0 victory at Gillingham. They are strange stats, you'd have thought our top scorer's goals would have been far more productive.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on February 22, 2023, 07:54:19 am
You've changed... ;D
When was the last time we had a player/manager who qualified for a 10 year 'Testimonial' game?
I remember going to the Dave Bowen Testimonial against Loserpool (2-2?), I don't recall any since?

Bowen had a second testimonial against Arsenal the following season, then the Arsenal memorial game in the mid nineties with nearly a full house.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on February 22, 2023, 07:55:22 am
Hoskins goal on Saturday was his 1st in 6 games. Of course we still lost, as we have in the last three games that Hoskins has scored. In fact you have to go way back to September for the last time Hoskins scored the decisive goal to win the match, though he did get 1 of the goals in the 2-0 victory at Gillingham. They are strange stats, you'd have thought our top scorer's goals would have been far more productive.


Maybe that why people are disappointed when he scores.  :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on February 22, 2023, 13:01:24 pm
Having looked at some of the games when Sam has been on the score sheet I picked out these:-
Colchester (h) won 3-2   2 goals from Sam
Grimsby (a) drew 1-1   only goal from Sam
Crawley (a) won 3-2    2 goals from Sam
Crewe (a)  drew 2-2    2 goals from Sam
Stockport (h) won 2-1   1 goal from Sam
Newport Co. (h) drew 1-1  only goal from Sam
Mansfield (a) drew 1-1    only goal from Sam.

7 games, 13 points, 13 goals scored, 10 goals scored by Sam.

If he had not scored in any of these games he would now have 7 goals which is acceptable from a player in his position. But it also means that if nobody else scored to replace Sam's goals we would have taken 1 point from those games instead of 13 and be 16th in the table.

We are regularly told that somebody else would step up but when asked who nobody supplies an answer. Look through the rest of the team and see if you can find a player or players who would have scored those 10 goals in the 7 games. I don't see anyone capable and it is not surprising that our next highest scorers have only 4 goals each.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on February 22, 2023, 13:20:54 pm
Having looked at some of the games when Sam has been on the score sheet I picked out these:-
Colchester (h) won 3-2   2 goals from Sam
Grimsby (a) drew 1-1   only goal from Sam
Crawley (a) won 3-2    2 goals from Sam
Crewe (a)  drew 2-2    2 goals from Sam
Stockport (h) won 2-1   1 goal from Sam
Newport Co. (h) drew 1-1  only goal from Sam
Mansfield (a) drew 1-1    only goal from Sam.

7 games, 13 points, 13 goals scored, 10 goals scored by Sam.

If he had not scored in any of these games he would now have 7 goals which is acceptable from a player in his position. But it also means that if nobody else scored to replace Sam's goals we would have taken 1 point from those games instead of 13 and be 16th in the table.

We are regularly told that somebody else would step up but when asked who nobody supplies an answer. Look through the rest of the team and see if you can find a player or players who would have scored those 10 goals in the 7 games. I don't see anyone capable and it is not surprising that our next highest scorers have only 4 goals each.
Danny Hylton would have scored those goals FACT.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 22, 2023, 13:29:50 pm
Danny Hylton would have scored those goals FACT.

We'll never know. FACT.  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on February 22, 2023, 15:49:17 pm
I stopped dabbling in goal scorers and appearances, I find them irrelevant, apart from if you happen to hold the club record in either. A player only stays at a club a long time if they are so average that nobody else wants them, which is sort of a judgement in itself. Historically that probably wasn't the case, one club players were the norm decades ago.

Yeah, goalscorers eh, who needs em. ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: bungle on February 22, 2023, 17:25:17 pm
This current 'debate' on Hoskins on here is an absolute joke.

17 goals and 4 assists (21 goal involvements), top scorer in the division and still people aren't satisfied.
What makes me laugh is it's coming from the same tools who whinge on about signing a 20-goal a season
striker every transfer window.

He would comfortably walk in to every side in this division. His work rate is excellent and he has been a bloody
good servant of this football club. This year he has added a new found composure and ruthlessness to his other
good qualities (pace, work rate, capacity to press). I suspect the main reason why we didn't get bids for him in January
is that he's 30 years old and has limited resale value.

He has had a dip in form, as has the rest of the team but that happens to every forward player. He was never going
to keep up his better-than-1-in-2 scoring rate for the whole season.






Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: MCHammer on February 22, 2023, 17:32:42 pm
This current 'debate' on Hoskins on here is an absolute joke.

17 goals and 4 assists (21 goal involvements), top scorer in the division and still people aren't satisfied.
What makes me laugh is it's coming from the same tools who whinge on about signing a 20-goal a season
striker every transfer window.

He would comfortably walk in to every side in this division. His work rate is excellent and he has been a bloody
good servant of this football club. This year he has added a new found composure and ruthlessness to his other
good qualities (pace, work rate, capacity to press). I suspect the main reason why we didn't get bids for him in January
is that he's 30 years old and has limited resale value.

He has had a dip in form, as has the rest of the team but that happens to every forward player. He was never going
to keep up his better-than-1-in-2 scoring rate for the whole season.

I'm glad you said that I was starting to think I was going mad.  How many clubs fans would be having a debate about dropping their top scorer, who is top scorer by a country mile above anyone else in the side.

There's surely bigger problems that need solving than replacing your top scorer.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 22, 2023, 18:24:40 pm
What makes me laugh is it's coming from the same tools who whinge on about signing a 20-goal a season
striker every transfer window.

this


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on February 22, 2023, 19:05:05 pm
I'm glad you said that I was starting to think I was going mad.  How many clubs fans would be having a debate about dropping their top scorer, who is top scorer by a country mile above anyone else in the side.

There's surely bigger problems that need solving than replacing your top scorer.

TBF only one person is and he ploughs a lonely furrow. Considering he scores most of our goals we are bound to win some/lose some. Can you imagine.
“Sorry Sam, you’re not playing anymore because statistically we’ve been getting more points when you don’t play. You scored Saturday and we lost, it’s there on my spreadsheet.”

“But gaffer, I score most of our goals”

“I know son but we’ve got to go by stats not goals”

“OK gaffer, meet you at the job centre for coffee next month?”


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 22, 2023, 19:24:57 pm
This current 'debate' on Hoskins on here is an absolute joke.

17 goals and 4 assists (21 goal involvements), top scorer in the division and still people aren't satisfied.
What makes me laugh is it's coming from the same tools who whinge on about signing a 20-goal a season
striker every transfer window.

He would comfortably walk in to every side in this division. His work rate is excellent and he has been a bloody
good servant of this football club. This year he has added a new found composure and ruthlessness to his other
good qualities (pace, work rate, capacity to press). I suspect the main reason why we didn't get bids for him in January
is that he's 30 years old and has limited resale value.

He has had a dip in form, as has the rest of the team but that happens to every forward player. He was never going
to keep up his better-than-1-in-2 scoring rate for the whole season.


Never in doubt for me! I admit there are perhaps 2 or 3 on here who pose as 'Influencers' and spend a not inconsiderable amount of time  trying to convince most of us otherwise. Have to pinch myself that this is their opinion.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 22, 2023, 19:50:47 pm
Having looked at some of the games when Sam has been on the score sheet I picked out these:-
Colchester (h) won 3-2   2 goals from Sam
Grimsby (a) drew 1-1   only goal from Sam
Crawley (a) won 3-2    2 goals from Sam
Crewe (a)  drew 2-2    2 goals from Sam
Stockport (h) won 2-1   1 goal from Sam
Newport Co. (h) drew 1-1  only goal from Sam
Mansfield (a) drew 1-1    only goal from Sam.

7 games, 13 points, 13 goals scored, 10 goals scored by Sam.

If he had not scored in any of these games he would now have 7 goals which is acceptable from a player in his position. But it also means that if nobody else scored to replace Sam's goals we would have taken 1 point from those games instead of 13 and be 16th in the table.

We are regularly told that somebody else would step up but when asked who nobody supplies an answer. Look through the rest of the team and see if you can find a player or players who would have scored those 10 goals in the 7 games. I don't see anyone capable and it is not surprising that our next highest scorers have only 4 goals each.

Explain the five games when he didn't play and we scored 8 goals then? That's a better ratio than in the games he did play in. These are fcats not supposition.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 22, 2023, 19:53:47 pm


He would comfortably walk in to every side in this division.  I suspect the main reason why we didn't get bids for him in January
is that he's 30 years old and has limited resale value.


Absolute nonsense.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on February 22, 2023, 19:54:36 pm
There are fcats and there are facts......... And there's also a grade A chain yanker on the loose again.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 22, 2023, 20:02:35 pm
TBF only one person is and he ploughs a lonely furrow. Considering he scores most of our goals we are bound to win some/lose some. Can you imagine.
“Sorry Sam, you’re not playing anymore because statistically we’ve been getting more points when you don’t play. You scored Saturday and we lost, it’s there on my spreadsheet.”

“But gaffer, I score most of our goals”

“I know son but we’ve got to go by stats not goals”

“OK gaffer, meet you at the job centre for coffee next month?”

Look Dav, I'm not suggesting at this moment in time that Hoskins should be dropped. What I am saying is that after the Bradford game which was undoubtably our best performance of the season which Hoskins missed because he was stupid enough to get booked for nothing, Brady should not have selected him. The reason? A message to all the players that none of them, whoever they may be, can expect to walk back into the side after missing a game AND just to see whether that line-up could repeat the feat in the next game at home to Tranmere. Instead Hoskins was immediately given his place back and the TEAM failed to score.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 22, 2023, 20:04:48 pm
There are fcats and there are facts......... And there's also a grade A chain yanker on the loose again.

Worth a chuckle


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on February 22, 2023, 20:11:30 pm
With no Hoskins, Fox or Bowie…the ‘F’ column wouldn’t look too good going forward. His name must be in indelible ink on the team sheet when available.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: bungle on February 22, 2023, 20:24:01 pm
Explain the five games when he didn't play and we scored 8 goals then? That's a better ratio than in the games he did play in. These are fcats not supposition.


Because as anyone with a modicum of statistical literacy would realise: A. 5 games is an extremely limited sample and B. correlation is not causation.




Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 22, 2023, 20:38:43 pm

Because as anyone with a modicum of statistical literacy would realise: A. 5 games is an extremely limited sample and B. correlation is not causation.

Well that's strange isn't it, because it taken far less than 5 games for people to decide that none of the new signings are any good.

Five wins on the bounce would be seen as a great run, we haven't managed that since February 2016.
Five defeats on the bounce would be seen as a disaster, that hasn't been seen since the first 5 games of the 2017/18 season.
So yes, I do think 5 games are a reasonable amount to make a judgement. As for correlation, why do you think we won at Stevenage, Bradford and Swindon without Hoskins, scoring 8 goals in the process? We're our best three wins of the season just a fluke?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 22, 2023, 20:42:03 pm
There are fcats and there are facts......... And there's also a grade A chain yanker on the loose again.

You know, I don't mind your bullying insults, I take them with a sense of pride. At one time one man in the entire world said the earth was round and everybody else laughed and claimed he was insane. A majority viewpoint isn't necessarily a correct viewpoint but I understand how you gain comfort by it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on February 22, 2023, 20:58:27 pm
Look Dav, I'm not suggesting at this moment in time that Hoskins should be dropped.


Fair enough. As for after Bradford, it still takes a brave manager to leave out your best chance of a goal, although I share the opinion of not changing a winning side.
The one time in god knows how long we’ve had a player approaching ‘potent’ status I want him on the pitch!
I also don’t get the benching of DWP. Probably more to that than meets the eye. A Championship fringe player should be waltzing into a struggling league two team. Seems a pointless addition so far.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 22, 2023, 21:17:51 pm
You know, I don't mind your bullying insults, I take them with a sense of pride. At one time one man in the entire world said the earth was round and everybody else laughed and claimed he was insane. A majority viewpoint isn't necessarily a correct viewpoint but I understand how you gain comfort by it.

That man may well have been Pythagoras about 490BC and further championed by Claudius Ptolemy was a Greek/Egyptian, geographer living in Alexandria circa 100 to 174AD. He drew the first 'world' maps of the Roman World. Good lad too!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on February 22, 2023, 21:18:41 pm
Well that's strange isn't it, because it taken far less than 5 games for people to decide that none of the new signings are any good.

Five wins on the bounce would be seen as a great run, we haven't managed that since February 2016.
Five defeats on the bounce would be seen as a disaster, that hasn't been seen since the first 5 games of the 2017/18 season.
So yes, I do think 5 games are a reasonable amount to make a judgement. As for correlation, why do you think we won at Stevenage, Bradford and Swindon without Hoskins, scoring 8 goals in the process? We're our best three wins of the season just a fluke?

Sorry to be a pedant Marvo but I can’t let this pass. I did want to ignore it but like when faced with Manny and Evers’ politics I feel I have to respond ….

Your point pretty much makes Bungles’ point. If you follow the logic of your “sample” of 5 winning games in a row you would naturally conclude we win every game. But of course we won’t as 5 games is too small a sample in which to base a meaningful prediction / conclusion.

And even if it was, as Bungle says, correlation doesn’t equal causation - The number of vicars is directly correlated to the number of prostitutes in any given Uk population. However that  doesn’t mean that all vicars use prostitutes!?

Having said all that, I actually agree with you … I would be tempted to try Sammy on the bench for a few games and I’ve always been in the Wee Sammy Fan club - even when some of the plonkers on here we’re calling for his head on a platter!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 22, 2023, 21:26:14 pm
Sorry to be a pedant Marvo but I can’t let this pass. I did want to ignore it but like when faced with Manny and Evers’ politics I feel I have to respond ….

Your point pretty much makes Bungles’ point. If you follow the logic of your “sample” of 5 winning games in a row you would naturally conclude we win every game. But of course we don’t as 5 games is too small a sample in which to base a meaningful prediction / conclusion.

And even if it was, as Bungle says, correlation doesn’t equal causation - The number of vicars is directly correlated to the number of prostitutes in any given Uk population. However that  doesn’t mean that all vicars use prostitutes!?

Having said all that, I actually agree with you … I would be tempted to try Sammy on the bench for a few games and I’ve always been in the Wee Sammy Fan club - even when some of the plonkers on here we’re calling for his head on a platter!

 ;D What are my politics as have never revealed them on here; or too my family and even my late parents. By the way I understand your thinking by dropping Sammy to the bench but for me it smacks of desperation for a win by any means 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 22, 2023, 21:44:10 pm


Having said all that, I actually agree with you … I would be tempted to try Sammy on the bench for a few games and I’ve always been in the Wee Sammy Fan club - even when some of the plonkers on here we’re calling for his head on a platter!

Now you see, this is where it gets strange. I wouldn't consider dropping Hoskins at the moment, we have far too many injuries. The Fox one is a real miss. If him and Bowie were available then maybe, I haven't seen enough of DWP to say whether he would be a good replacement.

The time to drop Hoskins was after the Bradford game. Then if we had still drawn 0-0 then you could have all climbed on my back and said "Told you so". That didn't happen and unless Hoskins gets injured or suspended, we are never going to find out whether I am right or wrong. The one thing I am fairly certain of is that at the end of the season we'll still have a better ratio of points without Hoskins playing than with.

What you and Bungle fail to see is what I did, with my own eyes, that we were a far better looking side without Hoskins. Why? I don't know but we were. The results and more particularly the performances showed that. If those three victories had come against Rochdale, Harrogate and Hartlepool you may have a point about correlation and such but they didn't.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on February 22, 2023, 22:00:03 pm

However that doesn’t mean that all vicars use prostitutes!?


Hmmm, bold claim.  :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on February 22, 2023, 22:16:58 pm
;D What are my politics as have never revealed them on here; or too my family and even my late parents. By the way I understand your thinking by dropping Sammy to the bench but for me it smacks of desperation for a win by any means 8)

I apologise for my presumptuous comments about your politics Evers.
My political radar must need servicing.
Or maybe it’s how we are defining the word  “politics”?
Either way, I’m sorry for any offence caused.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on February 22, 2023, 22:20:27 pm
Hmmm, bold claim.  :P

😂😂

On a similar statistical vein … I have only even known 2 vicars daughters in my life and both of them were complete tarts. On a sample of 2, I can therefore conclude that all vicars daughters are as loose as Koiki’s tracking of their number 7 on Satdee!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 22, 2023, 23:15:10 pm
I apologise for my presumptuous comments about your politics Evers.
My political radar must need servicing.
Or maybe it’s how we are defining the word  “politics”?
Either way, I’m sorry for any offence caused.

Generally I voted for the politician who I find likeable! Could not stand Ted Heath or Theresa May or https://tenor.com/view/high-five-jeremy-corbyn-fail-funny-gif-8857035.
By the way absolutely no need for saying sorry.
Maybe see you at Colchester!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 23, 2023, 05:43:20 am
Generally I voted for the politician who I find likeable! Could not stand Ted Heath or Theresa May or https://tenor.com/view/high-five-jeremy-corbyn-fail-funny-gif-8857035.
By the way absolutely no need for saying sorry.
Maybe see you at Colchester!

So you vote for a personality, not a party and their policies?

You're living in the wrong country mate.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 23, 2023, 08:43:17 am
So you vote for a personality, not a party and their policies?

You're living in the wrong country mate.

It’s quite common Marvo. What’s wrong with this country?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 23, 2023, 09:07:59 am
It’s quite common Marvo. What’s wrong with this country?

This isn't America, not only do we not vote for a president (you cant) we vote for a party. Your stance is ridiculous, you'd vote for policies you don't like because you like the front man of the party that is proposing to introduce them? That's sheer lunacy.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Substitute on February 23, 2023, 09:41:47 am
This isn't America, not only do we not vote for a president (you cant) we vote for a party. Your stance is ridiculous, you'd vote for policies you don't like because you like the front man of the party that is proposing to introduce them? That's sheer lunacy.

Some folk vote for a party just because they think they should or their parents did. Only reason the Tories ever get elected.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 23, 2023, 10:01:03 am
This isn't America, not only do we not vote for a president (you cant) we vote for a party. Your stance is ridiculous, you'd vote for policies you don't like because you like the front man of the party that is proposing to introduce them? That's sheer lunacy.
It didnt take long for the old Marvo to rear his head up.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 23, 2023, 10:09:24 am
It didnt take long for the old Marvo to rear his head up.

The old Marvo? Please enlighten me to what I have said in the post that you disagree with.

And hurry up because I'm busy.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on February 23, 2023, 11:20:31 am
Blimey........ rudeness is catching innit! Back to Sam, he's an essential part of the Cobblers squad


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on February 23, 2023, 11:53:45 am
Some folk vote for a party just because they think they should or their parents did. Only reason the Tories ever get elected.
Wow you’ve cracked the whole conundrum around the mysterious world of politics, you should be presenting Newsnight.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on February 23, 2023, 12:39:27 pm
Some folk vote for a party just because they think they should or their parents did. Only reason the Tories ever get elected.

If I was asked to grade the credibility of your theory in party order I'd say;

The partys in Northern Ireland
Scottish National Party
Plaid Cymru (generation, after generation, after generation - I was brought up in Wales).
Labour
Conservatives

The most successful Labour party ever (in terms of getting into power) wasn't really Labour at all. I'll give you one Tony Blair and his policies.

The Liberals seem to struggle with the parents voted this way so I will. The Greens - they are relatively knew and seem to redefine themselves every few years. Who thought they were in favour of mass immigration and therefore population pressures on the "greenery" until recently? 

I thought it was relatively clear (the actual statistics that are available suggest this) that people drift right as they get older.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on February 23, 2023, 12:42:54 pm
Apologies for going off topic above.


Charles 3rds 1st honours list;

Arise Sir Samuel Tobias Hoskins.


Charles 3rds 4th honours list;

Baron Hoskins of Sixfields.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on February 23, 2023, 13:08:58 pm
If I was asked to grade the credibility of your theory in party order I'd say;

The partys in Northern Ireland
Scottish National Party
Plaid Cymru (generation, after generation, after generation - I was brought up in Wales).
Labour
Conservatives

The most successful Labour party ever (in terms of getting into power) wasn't really Labour at all. I'll give you one Tony Blair and his policies.

The Liberals seem to struggle with the parents voted this way so I will. The Greens - they are relatively knew and seem to redefine themselves every few years. Who thought they were in favour of mass immigration and therefore population pressures on the "greenery" until recently? 

I thought it was relatively clear (the actual statistics that are available suggest this) that people drift right as they get older.
They say with age comes wisdom, kindness, confidence, and ease


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: MCHammer on February 23, 2023, 13:11:20 pm
They say with age comes wisdom, kindness, confidence, and ease

And a little bit of casual racism and incontinence.   ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 23, 2023, 13:38:24 pm
And a little bit of casual racism and incontinence.   ;D ;D
;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 23, 2023, 15:39:14 pm
This isn't America, not only do we not vote for a president (you cant) we vote for a party. Your stance is ridiculous, you'd vote for policies you don't like because you like the front man of the party that is proposing to introduce them? That's sheer lunacy.

It didnt take long for the old Marvo to rear his head up.

You are going into detail you avoided to ask in the first case. What you have done is launched a judgemental verdict on the basis of some flimsy assertion by myself. What you have failed to do is to control your self-esteemed ego and launch into judgemental opinion.

Along with millions of people I entrusted my vote (in this instance only) with the current ruling party. Of course, if you like a politician you become aware of their policies. In this instance you appear to have launched an opinion allied with a complete lack of thought process.

Tabasco Kid is right you appear to be reverting back to your former stance, which is a shame.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 23, 2023, 18:30:26 pm
You are going into detail you avoided to ask in the first case. What you have done is launched a judgemental verdict on the basis of some flimsy assertion by myself. What you have failed to do is to control your self-esteemed ego and launch into judgemental opinion.

Along with millions of people I entrusted my vote (in this instance only) with the current ruling party. Of course, if you like a politician you become aware of their policies. In this instance you appear to have launched an opinion allied with a complete lack of thought process.

Tabasco Kid is right you appear to be reverting back to your former stance, which is a shame.


You said and I quote, "Generally I voted for the politician who I find likeable! Could not stand Ted Heath or Theresa May" and added Jeremy Corbyn.

If your examples are the truth, you didn't vote Tory, didn't vote Tory again, then did vote Tory. On all three occasions you ignored the Policies of the party these people represented, just voted for the personality. At least that what you said you did or thought you did, when of course unless you happen to live in their constituencies you couldn't vote for any of them.

What do you do if you like the leader of a party but don't like your local MP? That must put you in a real quandary.

I rest my case.

Oh and I wasn't being rude, in my opinion the stance you are taking is nonsensical. Furthermore this isn't a party political point at all.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on February 23, 2023, 19:04:17 pm
They say with age comes wisdom, kindness, confidence, and ease

And senility and Err! I forget the other one... ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on February 23, 2023, 19:55:27 pm
I think Sam is great and enriches the entire NTFC experience........ I bet he isn't rude either


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 23, 2023, 19:59:02 pm
I think Sam is great and enriches the entire NTFC experience........ I bet he isn't rude either

Unlike some people we could mention

There are fcats and there are facts......... And there's also a grade A chain yanker on the loose again.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on February 23, 2023, 20:02:43 pm
Unlike some people we could mention


Annoying when people play you at your own game isn't it? I still think Sam brings something intangible to the Cobblers........... Long may it continue


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 23, 2023, 20:26:13 pm
Annoying when people play you at your own game isn't it? I still think Sam brings something intangible to the Cobblers........... Long may it continue

Well in the age old saying, wasn't it you that started it?

I didn't insult anybody, I just said that their stance was in my opinion ludicrous.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on February 23, 2023, 20:44:22 pm
Well in the age old saying, wasn't it you that started it?

I didn't insult anybody, I just said that their stance was in my opinion ludicrous.
And in my opinion some of the things you write are rude, you are entitled to your opinions but sometimes it's best to keep them to ourselves rather than offend.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 23, 2023, 21:38:01 pm
And in my opinion some of the things you write are rude, you are entitled to your opinions but sometimes it's best to keep them to ourselves rather than offend.



Well when you spot me calling someone a "Grade 1 class yanker" or Twat, prick, arsehole, etc, please give me a shout and I'll retract and apologise immediately.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 23, 2023, 21:44:48 pm
And while we're on the subject of hypocrisy

It didnt take long for the old Marvo to rear his head up.

Thing is, the attention seeking twat, thinks that he is being original, but he is only repeating what Bowie did over 40 years ago. Anyway, no more from me concerning him.
https://twitter.com/Roger_Xanth_Day/status/1624511316994949121/photo/1


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 23, 2023, 22:30:33 pm
You said and I quote, "Generally I voted for the politician who I find likeable! Could not stand Ted Heath or Theresa May" and added Jeremy Corbyn.

If your examples are the truth, you didn't vote Tory, didn't vote Tory again, then did vote Tory. On all three occasions you ignored the Policies of the party these people represented, just voted for the personality. At least that what you said you did or thought you did, when of course unless you happen to live in their constituencies you couldn't vote for any of them.

What do you do if you like the leader of a party but don't like your local MP? That must put you in a real quandary.

I rest my case.

Oh and I wasn't being rude, in my opinion the stance you are taking is nonsensical. Furthermore this isn't a party political point at all.

As in a lot of your arguments/theories your counter arguments are so subjective that they become totally irrelevant. Your first para says it all as anybody reading it would be totally confused.  Your obsession with proving that we are better off without Hoskins expressed as an opinion is just that an opinion. The trouble is you go to exceptional lengths to prove you are right.  Also your strange stance in defending why you don't go to  some matches; as iFollow is more reliable plus in the comfort of yr room. Again you seem to have a strange obsession in defending your opinion when not very many have challenged it. People who through illness, incapacity and distance etc use iFollow to keep in touch.  Live and let Live and do your own thing. 



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 23, 2023, 22:42:24 pm
As in a lot of your arguments/theories your counter arguments are so subjective that they become totally irrelevant. Your first para says it all as anybody reading it would be totally confused.  Your obsession with proving that we are better off without Hoskins expressed as an opinion is just that an opinion. The trouble is you go to exceptional lengths to prove you are right.  Also your strange stance in defending why you don't go to  some matches; as iFollow is more reliable plus in the comfort of yr room. Again you seem to have a strange obsession in defending your opinion when not very many have challenged it. People who through illness, incapacity and distance etc use iFollow to keep in touch.  Live and let Live and do your own thing. 



Completely and utterly missed the point (again). The post was nothing to do with Hoskins.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 24, 2023, 08:16:02 am
Completely and utterly missed the point (again). The post was nothing to do with Hoskins.

On the contrary you are the one missing the point. Calm down on your own excessive ego!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 24, 2023, 08:40:25 am
Go to a different thread if you want to continue your non Sam Hoskins 'discussions'. 
I will delete, without notice, any that aren't.  8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on February 24, 2023, 17:29:18 pm
Super Sam scores 3rd place in an industry poll featured in the C&E........ These football types know a good player when they see one


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3551 on February 24, 2023, 19:49:19 pm
I can smell desperation.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 24, 2023, 20:16:13 pm
Super Sam scores 3rd place in an industry poll featured in the C&E........ These football types know a good player when they see one

Just been through their list of writers

https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/Writers

Not one has any expertise in lower league football. All they work on is stats. (Bit like me) 17 goals? He must be brilliant. I'd be surprised if any of them had even seen Sam Hoskins in the flesh.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on February 24, 2023, 20:40:52 pm
17 goals are not to be sniffed at, we'd be shafted without him....... FACT!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 24, 2023, 20:49:20 pm
17 goals are not to be sniffed at, we'd be shafted without him....... FACT!

The 5 games we were without him, 3 wins and a draw suggest that isn't a fact at all.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 25, 2023, 10:28:18 am
if Hoskins gets 2 more goals this season. he will be the first player to score 19 league goals for us since?...Richard Hill.

Saying that, Marc Richards was on course at the same stage in 14/15 but only scored 1 more and our potential play-off campaign fell away from the start of March.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3551 on February 25, 2023, 10:29:20 am
Is he any good?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on February 25, 2023, 10:35:09 am
I was never a big fan of the little scamp, but obviously this season he has come on in leaps and bounds, for me that is down to Jon and Colin, the problem is he used to contribute all over the pitch chasing down the opo and getting stuck in, now he’s a goal machine unfortunately a lot of that has stopped and he has a shoot on sight policy when sometimes his team mates are better placed.
In L2 Sam is a massive asset, go up a league and it’s a different story.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on February 25, 2023, 11:35:12 am
I was never a big fan of the little scamp, but obviously this season he has come on in leaps and bounds, for me that is down to Jon and Colin, the problem is he used to contribute all over the pitch chasing down the opo and getting stuck in, now he’s a goal machine unfortunately a lot of that has stopped and he has a shoot on sight policy when sometimes his team mates are better placed.
In L2 Sam is a massive asset, go up a league and it’s a different story.
Blimey, I actually agree with something you've written :-)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on February 25, 2023, 12:00:18 pm
Interesting stats, 2272 minutes of play, 17 goals, whilst the number one player, Owen Moxon, has played 2669 minutes and only scored 4 goals! I do like a statistic or 2


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on February 25, 2023, 12:08:28 pm
We seem to repeatedly be going over the same ground, we won 3 out of the 5 games he missed and our best performance was at Bradford when he wasn't playing. Bradford was our best performance of the season and we probably have not got close to that in any other game but if Sam had been in the team that day he may have scored 2 or 3 and we could have won by a bigger margin, all ifs and maybes.
Without his remarkable goal tally this season we would be marooned in mid table and JB would be under pressure. It is no good saying somebody else would have stepped up with the goals without saying who this could be as with our next highest scorers only on 4 goals each nobody else seems capable.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on February 25, 2023, 12:46:33 pm
He has been a goal machine this season, I hope it continues, no one else in the squad has stepped up. Hylton might have done but we’ll never know


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 25, 2023, 19:37:25 pm
We seem to repeatedly be going over the same ground, we won 3 out of the 5 games he missed and our best performance was at Bradford when he wasn't playing. Bradford was our best performance of the season and we probably have not got close to that in any other game but if Sam had been in the team that day he may have scored 2 or 3 and we could have won by a bigger margin, all ifs and maybes.
Without his remarkable goal tally this season we would be marooned in mid table and JB would be under pressure. It is no good saying somebody else would have stepped up with the goals without saying who this could be as with our next highest scorers only on 4 goals each nobody else seems capable.

Well Appere seems to have managed that today and I've no doubt someone else would have too in the other games, though they'd have obviously been shared around. 17 goals between 6 players doesn't seem such a tall order.

Interestingly if you read the BBC report on todays game, Hoskins doesn't even get a mention.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on February 26, 2023, 07:52:44 am
Marvo, I'm afraid I have to disagree. In the 7 games I previously mentioned Sam scored 10 goals which won us 12 of the 13 points gained from those games judging by the scoring rates of the other players I don't see them scoring 10 goals in 7 games. If they were able to do so why have they not contributed more goals in the other 25 games?.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 26, 2023, 08:54:30 am
Marvo, I'm afraid I have to disagree. In the 7 games I previously mentioned Sam scored 10 goals which won us 12 of the 13 points gained from those games judging by the scoring rates of the other players I don't see them scoring 10 goals in 7 games. If they were able to do so why have they not contributed more goals in the other 25 games?.

That's fine. Unless Hoskins get injured or suspended, I guess we'll never know one way or the other. It's a shame we didn't get a fee for him in January, if only other clubs saw what our supporters see.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on February 26, 2023, 10:02:25 am
We won yesterday with Sam in the team! FACT. From what I've been reading I didn't think that was even possible! ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 26, 2023, 10:23:58 am
.

Interestingly if you read the BBC report on todays game, Hoskins doesn't even get a mention.

But if you pause the replay from yesterday's goal there are 4 defenders around Hoskins as the ball comes across. I think he's being marked a lot more tightly on the back of his earlier season form. Sometimes players influence games without really doing anything of note,  they just draw opposition players towards them and make space for others.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 26, 2023, 10:38:03 am
We won yesterday with Sam in the team! FACT. From what I've been reading I didn't think that was even possible! ;)
 ;D iFollow can be misleading  😎. However from the melee in their goalmouth we all assumed the great Hoskins had scored! Very decent away support incl Jim, Barry and Comrade of ‘Teyn Away’ fame.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on February 26, 2023, 10:42:07 am
He picked up another needless stupid yellow card yesterday for a needless stupid foul.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on February 26, 2023, 10:45:17 am
But if you pause the replay from yesterday's goal there are 4 defenders around Hoskins as the ball comes across. I think he's being marked a lot more tightly on the back of his earlier season form. Sometimes players influence games without really doing anything of note,  they just draw opposition players towards them and make space for others.

I saw that and immediately put it down to Hoskins involuntary assist!  No greater love …….   


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on February 26, 2023, 11:05:47 am
We won yesterday with Sam in the team! FACT. From what I've been reading I didn't think that was even possible! ;)
He's an essential part of the team  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on March 05, 2023, 15:34:55 pm
up into 9th overall overtaking Len Hammond and Roly Mills in recent games. Has Lloyd Davies and Phil Chard in his sights before the end of the season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 05, 2023, 16:22:50 pm
He's an essential part of the team  ;D

Yes he is but I thought his substitution by Brady yesterday seemed to suggest otherwise?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on March 05, 2023, 16:26:29 pm
The real Sam Hoskins is back FACT.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 05, 2023, 17:02:10 pm
The real Sam Hoskins is back FACT.
Perhaps  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise and fall of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Mysterious Curle on March 05, 2023, 19:19:06 pm
The real Sam Hoskins is back FACT.

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 05, 2023, 19:42:21 pm
He picked up another needless stupid yellow card yesterday for a needless stupid foul.

Eight for the season in the league......the next cut off point is 37 games and he needs to avoid reaching 10..... two bookings in his last three games, and if he repeats that with two more in his next three, that will see him get a 2 match ban.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on March 06, 2023, 06:42:31 am
The real Sam Hoskins is back FACT.

Yep


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 06, 2023, 15:34:05 pm
Second wind......... Wait and see!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on March 09, 2023, 00:12:33 am
What is it now, 1 in 8? Sounds like Hoskins to me. When was the last time he scored and won us the game? September?

However, as I predicted and got scolded for saying so, someone will ALWAYS step up to the plate, this time Sowerby.

What a shame we couldn't get some money for him in January, I guess the football "experts" don't see what an awful lot of you do.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on March 09, 2023, 07:45:29 am
This is getting boring Marvo, time to get off the hobby horse everybody is fully aware of your opinion as you have continually stated it. You seem to be Hoskin's number 1 follower.

Nobody is comparing Hoskins to Messi but without his goals we would be in mid table.

As for somebody will always step up Sowerby scored his 2nd goal in 99 games for us and still nobody else has more than 4 after 34 games so it is extremely unlikely other players would have scored the goals Hoskins has.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on March 09, 2023, 09:25:26 am
Just look at our February results:-
Walsall     0-0
Rochdale  1-1
AFC         0-0
Grimsby   1-2
Colchester1-0
Harrogate 1-1

Only 4 goals in 6 games and only 1 win. Where were these players who were supposed to be STEPPING UP and you could go back over the previous months and ask the same question.

If you look at our starting 11 on Saturday Hoskins had 17 goals and the rest of the team a grand total of 13. Perhaps JB should leave Hoskins out of the team for the rest of the season and when we finish outside of the play offs it will prove what an important member of the team he is.
 


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3571 on March 09, 2023, 10:12:58 am
Hoskins has done more than his fair share already. We've been desperate for a 20 goal scorer for a long time and it looks like this season we (might) have one.
Not being critical but a big difference between this year and last year (and a few previous years) is a lack of goals from the back but we are still the 5th highest scorers in the league


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 09, 2023, 12:14:07 pm
Super Sam will surely be our saviour ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on March 12, 2023, 04:03:47 am
The last time we won a game when Hoskins scored was 18 games ago!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on March 12, 2023, 07:21:08 am
The last time we won a game when Hoskins scored was 18 games ago!


And we'd have lost yesterday if he hadn't. Fail to see your point.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on March 12, 2023, 09:31:35 am
Having Bowie back is a big plus.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on March 12, 2023, 09:47:08 am
Obviously happy the ball went into the net, but it isn't going to be a contender for goal of the month.  It was a bit more Pat Gavin style, I don't think he knew much about it. Having said that, if you aren't in the right place, you don't get the chances.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 12, 2023, 10:08:36 am
Obviously happy the ball went into the net, but it isn't going to be a contender for goal of the month.  It was a bit more Pat Gavin style, I don't think he knew much about it. Having said that, if you aren't in the right place, you don't get the chances.

I thought the replay (channel 37?) clearly showed a well taken headed goal. The general opinion on the coach after the game was very divided! One said the ball merely hit him and went in. What amused me at the time was that Hoskins the smallest player in the crowded area and still managed to head the ball.

PS According to the Chrons report Hoskins scored with his back. Oh well as somebody said they all count and he was in the right place right time!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on March 12, 2023, 10:11:38 am
I thought the replay (channel 37?) clearly showed a well taken headed goal. The general opinion on the coach after the game was very divided! One said the ball merely hit him and went in. What amused me at the time was that Hoskins the smallest player in the crowded area and still managed to head the ball.

From where I was stood, right in front of it, if looked like it hit him in the face and went in. Well taken header my ãrse, that is why it was it was in the style of Pat Gavin.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Zen Master on March 12, 2023, 10:19:13 am
All count.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on March 12, 2023, 10:20:07 am
All count.

Indeed.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on March 12, 2023, 11:18:17 am
Twisted Marvo stat. I’m sure someone else would have scored two if he wasn’t playing.  ;D
Thank god for Super Sammy this season. Legend.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 12, 2023, 11:28:09 am
We’d be up poo creek without him FACT 🤣


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on March 12, 2023, 12:01:15 pm
I heard there were champagne corks galore being popped on the Queen Victoria last night.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Arminder Shwami on March 12, 2023, 13:50:49 pm
Twisted Marvo stat. I’m sure someone else would have scored two if he wasn’t playing.  ;D
Thank god for Super Sammy this season. Legend.
You may disagree with Marvo's hypothesis, but his stat is interesting and only very slightly twisted. Hoskins has started 16 of the 17 games since Gillingham, scoring five, of which two were equalisers, two were early goals in games we went on to lose, and one was a late consolation. 


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on March 12, 2023, 14:07:40 pm
You may disagree with Marvo's hypothesis, but his stat is interesting and only very slightly twisted. Hoskins has started 16 of the 17 games since Gillingham, scoring five, of which two were equalisers, two were early goals in games we went on to lose, and one was a late consolation. 

It would be a bizarre concept however to try and spin any Hoskins stats as some kind of negative.
Who is the top scorer across that set of fixtures? (I don’t know)
How many goals has Appere (for example) chipped in with across these?

It’s a bit like saying that DWP didn’t feature yesterday and we neither won nor lost, it bares little relevance.
Take Hoskins goals out and there is little to suggest they would have been replaced by others. Apart of course from a couple of games used as overriding data to try and labour a flawed argument.
I can get debate about his overall Cobblers career stats but this season in isolation is outstanding and what we’ve been waiting for over the past generation from a player. When your argument is that no one offered a million quid for him in January you’re struggling. Some people will just never rate him. That’s fine, I felt the same about David Seal.
Maybe this is his level…but that’s the level we’re at so he’s perfect for us and if we do get promoted he’s been doing a lot of the heavy lifting.
Perhaps we could sign some other players who are going to score double figures for next season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on March 12, 2023, 17:52:11 pm
He's also the second rated player for League 2 in Sofascore just behind Elliott Watt of Salford City

It s ridiculous to take any notice of Marvo's so called statistics. He's manipulated them to such an extent to be negative towards Hoskins they can only be regarded as trivia.
For someone who claims to love statistics he has a serious lack of understanding how they work. Taking subjective start and finish points and using short timelines are classic amateur techniques used by someone trying to prove a point rather than searching for genuine information.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 12, 2023, 17:56:54 pm
I agree Larry, he's our top goal scorer for this season, that cannot be denied!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 12, 2023, 18:43:42 pm
He's also the second rated player for League 2 in Sofascore just behind Elliott Watt of Salford City

It s ridiculous to take any notice of Marvo's so called statistics. He's manipulated them to such an extent to be negative towards Hoskins they can only be regarded as trivia.
For someone who claims to love statistics he has a serious lack of understanding how they work. Taking subjective start and finish points and using short timelines are classic amateur techniques used by someone trying to prove a point rather than searching for genuine information.

Wow - Marvo may have an issue in dealing with your post Larry! For me Marvo's weakness is that he relies on subjective comments.to further his argument.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on March 12, 2023, 19:14:37 pm
Wow - Marvo may have an issue in dealing with your post Larry! For me Marvo's weakness is that he relies on subjective comments.to further his argument.
I'm sure you've hear expression popularised by Mark Twain: Lies, damn lies and statistics. It's people like Marvo who use statistics to bolster weak arguments and there can be few weaker than Sam Hoskins' presence being a negative impact on the Cobblers.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 12, 2023, 21:23:41 pm
I'm sure you've hear expression popularised by Mark Twain: Lies, damn lies and statistics. It's people like Marvo who use statistics to bolster weak arguments and there can be few weaker than Sam Hoskins' presence being a negative impact on the Cobblers.
 
My view is that most people on here see through the 'influencer' comments and mostly ignore him. For those who don't may well get sucked into an argument which may,literally goes round in never ending circles. This forum tends to unearth real life characters and just as quickly discards them! All good fun though.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Substitute on March 13, 2023, 17:13:42 pm
Wow - Marvo may have an issue in dealing with your post Larry! For me Marvo's weakness is that he relies on subjective comments.to further his argument.

Too subjective.


Title: Re: The Rise (and fall) of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on March 14, 2023, 05:24:20 am
He's also the second rated player for League 2 in Sofascore just behind Elliott Watt of Salford City

It s ridiculous to take any notice of Marvo's so called statistics. He's manipulated them to such an extent to be negative towards Hoskins they can only be regarded as trivia.
For someone who claims to love statistics he has a serious lack of understanding how they work. Taking subjective start and finish points and using short timelines are classic amateur techniques used by someone trying to prove a point rather than searching for genuine information.

How do you manipulate stats which are, by their nature FACTS!

Hoskins had a fantastic start to the season (a couple of months) since which time he's been the old Hoskins. An average League 2 player which indicates that we are an average League 2 side.

Talking about what happended in the first three months of the season compared to the last three months is subjective indeed.


Title: Re: The Rise (and fall) of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 14, 2023, 07:15:57 am
How do you manipulate stats which are, by their nature FACTS!

Hoskins had a fantastic start to the season (a couple of months) since which time he's been the old Hoskins. An average League 2 player which indicates that we are an average League 2 side.

Talking about what happended in the first three months of the season compared to the last three months is subjective indeed.

I don't think anyone is questioning the accuracy of your data, we all know how passionate you are and how much time you devote to ensuring that it's correct.

The thing is, data is just data. In and of itself it's pretty inert and doesn't really have a lot of meaning until you start to interpret the data to apply meaning to it.

It's that interpretation that can be flawed, particularly if there's a particular answer that you might subconsciously be looking for.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3551 on March 14, 2023, 07:35:39 am
43% of marshmallows are pink.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3571 on March 14, 2023, 08:20:25 am
Marvo are you familiar with correlation and causation?


Title: Re: The Rise (and fall) of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on March 14, 2023, 08:46:47 am
How do you manipulate stats which are, by their nature FACTS!


People manipulate stats all the time to further their argument. A common example used all the time is to say something like Team X are poor, they've lost 4 of their 5 last games, but dig a bit deeper and you could discover they have won 6 of their last 10 games. By using an arbitrary dataset in isolation you've created a biased impression of Team X.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on March 14, 2023, 09:57:39 am
Statistically Hoskins is far more likely to score a goal than any of our other players this season. Statistically you are far better off scoring a goal than not scoring in a game of football. Statistically if he had continued his strike rate after game 1 he would have scored 92 league goals this season. Statistically there are only a dozen players in the history of the club who have scored more often for us.
67% of statistics are made up.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on March 14, 2023, 10:39:24 am
I personally never trust stats, on the basis that they can be twisted to suit the persons agenda. In the past, I have found company accountants, employers, and time and motion/wannabee managers to be very good at twisting. And not one of them like being proved wrong, they just keep repeating the mantra," you cannot argue with facts".


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on March 14, 2023, 12:23:13 pm
If the cat in the box is both dead and alive at the same time, I wouldn’t worry about any silly old stats to suit a personal agenda.  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 14, 2023, 13:28:36 pm
If the cat in the box is both dead and alive at the same time, I wouldn’t worry about any silly old stats to suit a personal agenda.  ;D

Dead, alive, a superposition of both, who knows?   ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 14, 2023, 16:05:04 pm
Too subjective.

Thanks Good point - Subbo.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Substitute on March 14, 2023, 16:25:22 pm
I have thought of a new song (all on my own), it goes:
Sammo, Sammo, Sammo Oh
Sammo, Sammo, Sammo Oh
Sammo, Sammo, Sammo Oh
Sammmmooooooooo Oh


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on March 14, 2023, 17:00:36 pm

67% of statistics are made up.

But, if you include the earlier statistics you will find that actually it rises to 76.4% of statistics are made up. FACT.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 14, 2023, 17:13:17 pm
I have thought of a new song (all on my own), it goes:
Sammo, Sammo, Sammo Oh
Sammo, Sammo, Sammo Oh
Sammo, Sammo, Sammo Oh
Sammmmooooooooo Oh
Which key is it droned in? F# I would imagine


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on March 14, 2023, 17:16:44 pm
I don't think I will be able to remember the words.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on March 14, 2023, 17:25:55 pm
Which key is it droned in? F# I would imagine

I would probably suggest it would be F all?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on March 14, 2023, 17:35:03 pm
I would probably suggest it would be F all?
;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 14, 2023, 18:14:42 pm
;D
X2  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 14, 2023, 20:53:46 pm
Super Sam........ Saviour of the season


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Welly Cobb on March 14, 2023, 21:55:22 pm
I can't remember if I found this link here anyway, but look at this https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/erling-haaland-s-20-goals-the-last-20-goal-scorer-for-every-english-league-club

Only 6 teams of the 92 have not had a 20 goal a striker this century, and only two as far back as the 80s. (I wasn't alive when we had the last one) We're the longest suffering, and we're now just one goal away from it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on March 14, 2023, 22:05:51 pm
Hopefully about to get that monkey off our backs and hopefully not another 36 years until the next one.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 14, 2023, 23:11:03 pm
1 to go for Super Sammy to break that elusive 20 goal barrier. Hopefully it comes sooner rather than later. The boy is doing good.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3571 on March 15, 2023, 09:31:15 am
I heard that Sammy has a significant bonus if he gets to 20 goals this season. Because KT isnt interested in bank rolling the club and only in it for the land, Sammy is going to be 'injured' and miss the rest of the season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 15, 2023, 10:51:03 am
I heard that Sammy has a significant bonus if he gets to 20 goals this season. Because KT isnt interested in bank rolling the club and only in it for the land, Sammy is going to be 'injured' and miss the rest of the season.

Stan,
In your opinion how much is significant? Asking for the ‘Few’. 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3571 on March 15, 2023, 10:54:44 am
Stan,
In your opinion how much is significant? Asking for the ‘Few’. A 8)
I'll reserve comment until after the Budget


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 15, 2023, 13:43:45 pm
Super Sam will shatter the 20 goal barrier and lead us to the promised land  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on March 15, 2023, 20:33:54 pm
I can't remember if I found this link here anyway, but look at this https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/erling-haaland-s-20-goals-the-last-20-goal-scorer-for-every-english-league-club

Only 6 teams of the 92 have not had a 20 goal a striker this century, and only two as far back as the 80s. (I wasn't alive when we had the last one) We're the longest suffering, and we're now just one goal away from it.

Don't forget Scotty McGleish scored 24 goals in 2005/06 season although 7 of those came in cup games.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 15, 2023, 21:46:58 pm
I'll reserve comment until after the Budget

 ;D   .....and? 8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3571 on March 16, 2023, 08:36:59 am
;D   .....and? 8)
Enough to top up the pension pot and still not have to pay tax.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on March 16, 2023, 09:02:57 am
Off on a tangent but….
Good news on the £4k limit being raised to £10k and for all you younger readers….

If you are haven’t already…GET A PENSION ASAP!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on March 16, 2023, 19:47:15 pm
Off on a tangent but….
Good news on the £4k limit being raised to £10k and for all you younger readers….

If you are haven’t already…GET A PENSION ASAP!

Don't listen to him, the value of investments can also fall, its a lottery. Instead, do what you know is right and spend all your hard earned on booze and following the Mighty Cobblers over land and sea and......

And then hope you die before you're old. Seems like a good plan.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on March 20, 2023, 09:30:58 am

spend all your hard earned on booze and following the Mighty Cobblers over land and sea and......

And then hope you die before you're old. Seems like a good plan.

That’s not very tax efficient and doing so probably guarantees you will die young and not necessarily happy.  :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on March 20, 2023, 10:26:42 am
That’s not very tax efficient and doing so probably guarantees you will die young and not necessarily happy.  :P

Not entirely sure if anyone is particularly 'happy' on the verge of death - though haven't experienced personally or even seen on I-Follow to truly comment!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on March 20, 2023, 10:53:53 am
Not entirely sure if anyone is particularly 'happy' on the verge of death - though haven't experienced personally or even seen on I-Follow to truly comment!

 ;D
It was more in relation to following the Cobblers…although didn’t consider the potential of a fatal heart attack following Hoskins scoring the winning goal with the last kick of the game in the Champions League final. Death and happiness hand in hand. It wouldn’t even matter if VAR ruled it out.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on March 20, 2023, 14:46:20 pm
;D
It was more in relation to following the Cobblers…although didn’t consider the potential of a fatal heart attack following Hoskins scoring the winning goal with the last kick of the game in the Champions League final. Death and happiness hand in hand. It wouldn’t even matter if VAR ruled it out.


Our 1-0 1-0 1-0 patterns do little for our health...well not until around 5 or 9pm at any rate!  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 20, 2023, 14:49:38 pm
Our 1-0 1-0 1-0 patterns do little for our health...well not until around 5 or 9pm at any rate!  ;D

Very Binary though... ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on March 25, 2023, 14:19:35 pm
Sam draws level with the player with the most international caps while playing for us. Lloyd Davies. Into joint 8th 1 app behind Phil Chard my Lord.

Davies played in the 1909 Charity Shield, which I count as an appearance...so hasn't overtaken him just yet.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 25, 2023, 16:28:36 pm
Super Sam has scored his 20th Goal, onwards and upwards young man  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on March 25, 2023, 22:07:06 pm
Hoskins scores and we win, I thought that was not suppose to happen.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest2995 on March 25, 2023, 22:36:03 pm
Sammy is a player that would be in any team in this division
FACT


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on March 26, 2023, 07:50:21 am
Congratulations to Sammy a super achievement a great club man and servant to the club


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: corno_ntfc on March 26, 2023, 08:00:12 am
Sammy is a player that would be in any team in this division
FACT

This has been clear (to most) for a number of years.

And he has clearly improved and developed in some aspects during this time as well.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on March 26, 2023, 09:10:53 am
Congrats…but excluding pens, tap ins and lucky goals he’s only scored 4.  :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 26, 2023, 10:08:47 am
Congrats…but excluding pens, tap ins and lucky goals he’s only scored 4.  :P
A goal is a goal, he’s leading us to the promised land  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on March 26, 2023, 10:40:45 am
Congrats…but excluding pens, tap ins and lucky goals he’s only scored 4.  :P

Good job they all count the same ay


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on March 26, 2023, 10:48:26 am
Notice how there is no one arguing.

Sam’s the most successful goal scorer for us in a generation. A loyal club servant who has served us well.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on March 26, 2023, 11:27:32 am
Notice how there is no one arguing.
Only cos the main protagonist is currently on the high seas. He will be back when he is in the mood for "debate".



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 26, 2023, 11:35:06 am
Only cos the main protagonist is currently on the high seas. He will be back when he is in the mood for "debate".


Plotting his next line of attack


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3063 on March 26, 2023, 12:00:43 pm
Well done Sam. Great achievement to get to the 20 goal mark for the first time since Richard Hill.

Strangely enough both Hill and Hoskins were/are primarily midfield players and not out and out strikers. An even better achievement by both players.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on March 26, 2023, 12:18:21 pm
does that make Ian Benjamin the year before to be the last striker to hit 20 league goals then... ;D

next target for Sam? beat Hill's 29...

10 goals in 8 games. easy.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 26, 2023, 12:25:37 pm
It’s fantastic from a club legend especially he doesn’t often play as an out and out striker. Let’s hope he gets a few more before the end of the season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 26, 2023, 12:29:48 pm
does that make Ian Benjamin the year before to be the last striker to hit 20 league goals then... ;D

next target for Sam? beat Hill's 29...

10 goals in 8 games. easy.

Not knowing you but the 10goals in 8 is a target you clearly feel is achievable😎. Prefer Sam to beat Holton’s record of …..? Please fill in Parkie.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 26, 2023, 12:53:10 pm
Not knowing you but the 10goals in 8 is a target you clearly feel is achievable. Prefer Sam to beat Holton’s record of …..? Please fill in Parkie.

Didn't you say 39 yesterday?  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: macca1959 on March 26, 2023, 13:01:53 pm
Didn't you say 39 yesterday?  ;)

36 league goals , I believe ashworth got over 20 as well


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 26, 2023, 13:20:59 pm
36 league goals , I believe ashworth got over 20 as well


There you go Deepo 36. Point is Lord Parklands is renowned for stating 100% essential facts.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 27, 2023, 16:17:46 pm
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid04E6GEDCfNeprLjTXfMmrLnF149EpdTREHGoxV1SeHna21sQQpaP9w6TRCM4dJqHTl&id=114498481954

<sarcasm>Here you go - all 20 scuffs, lucky deflections, rebounds and flukes that Sammy has had the sheer unmitigated gall to take credit for this season. </sarcasm>


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on March 27, 2023, 18:11:46 pm
A goal is a goal, he’s leading us to the promised land  ;D
Is that what Peterborough is called these days...as apparently, that's where Jon Brady, Jon Brady, Jon Brady is taking us!  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 27, 2023, 19:02:44 pm
Is that what Peterborough is called these days...as apparently, that's where Jon Brady, Jon Brady, Jon Brady is taking us!  ;)
;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobbler151 on March 28, 2023, 06:11:03 am
Pleased for Sam, he's had his critics over the years, but been a loyal servant to the club and a model professional. I hope he he continues to cement himself in fabric of our history.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3571 on March 28, 2023, 08:00:42 am
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid04E6GEDCfNeprLjTXfMmrLnF149EpdTREHGoxV1SeHna21sQQpaP9w6TRCM4dJqHTl&id=114498481954

Here you go - all 20 scuffs, lucky deflections, rebounds and flukes that Sammy has had the sheer unmitigated gall to take credit for this season.
There are some belters in there!
In fact (IMO)
5 Belters
4 Great finishes
3 pens (including the follow up, could be under header below)
2 Great placement
2 Cheeky (freekick and corner, corner could be under lucky below)
2 lucky
1 header
1 Tap in


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on March 28, 2023, 08:07:43 am
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid04E6GEDCfNeprLjTXfMmrLnF149EpdTREHGoxV1SeHna21sQQpaP9w6TRCM4dJqHTl&id=114498481954

Here you go - all 20 scuffs, lucky deflections, rebounds and flukes that Sammy has had the sheer unmitigated gall to take credit for this season.

A high proportion of top quality strikes in that lot and very few penalties....and all in league matches too. Super Sammy indeed! Anyone who thinks we would be anywhere near the top of the table without him is in dreamland.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: NTFC87 on March 28, 2023, 09:15:55 am
How long till he get his testimonial? 10 years?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Athena on March 28, 2023, 10:46:43 am
The new edition of the magazine  'Four Four Two' has listed 'The Best 50 Players' outside the premier league.  Like the club badges item in the last edition all a bit arbitrary, but still good to see Sam being listed at 'Number 34' and in so being has been rated as the best Division Two player.  Good for him.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on March 28, 2023, 11:33:40 am
There are some belters in there!
In fact (IMO)
5 Belters
4 Great finishes
3 pens (including the follow up, could be under header below)
2 Great placement
2 Cheeky (freekick and corner, corner could be under lucky below)
2 lucky
1 header
1 Tap in
You can buy the 'Extras' dvd. Behind the scenes footage, including interviews, as well as over 100 shots blazed wide, over or not passed to a team mate collection.
Blueraymonday.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 28, 2023, 11:42:55 am
So you vote for a personality, not a party and their policies?

You're living in the wrong country mate.


It’s my opinion - of course political policies come into it! It is difficult to ignore them whether I like it or not. For me Boris has to accept his ‘work parties’ were wrong and easy ammunition for his opponents.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 28, 2023, 11:44:19 am
You can buy the 'Extras' dvd. Behind the scenes footage, including interviews, as well as over 100 shots blazed wide, over or not passed to a team mate collection.
Blueraymonday.
Now he's this seasons top scorer all is forgiven  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 28, 2023, 11:45:34 am


It’s my opinion - of course political policies come into it! It is difficult to ignore them whether I like it or not. For me Boris has to accept his ‘work parties’ were wrong and easy ammunition for his opponents.
Do not rise to the bait, trolls thrive on reaction


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 28, 2023, 11:56:14 am
Do not rise to the bait, trolls thrive on reaction

Was honoured by a message from the great man. Based on courtesy evident on here I felt obliged to defend an opinion. Also as he is apparently on the high seas it seemed to rule out an immediate response from the great orator.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 28, 2023, 12:00:42 pm
Was honoured by a message from the great man. Based on courtesy evident on here I felt obliged to defend an opinion. Also as he is apparently on the high seas it seemed to rule out an immediate response from the great orator.
What does it feel like to be chosen?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: lordjord on March 28, 2023, 12:45:36 pm
Few additional stats and facts relating to Super Sam this season. No player has taken more shots in the league than Sam this year.

Very much matches up with what my eyes tell me, mostly that he shoots on sight, which sometimes is to the detriment of the the team, but in general is understandable.

Sam has taken 117 shots this season, next closest is Omar Bogle of Newport with 87. so he leads the way by some margin.
Interestingly he has taken nearly as many as the next 3 most prolific shooters in the squad Sam 117, Pinnock 54, Bowie 34, Appere 32.

Sam leads the league with goals from outside the box, no other player has surpassed or matched his 5 goals from outside the area.

Seems like he has been given the green light from Brady this season just to let fly as often as possible.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3571 on March 28, 2023, 13:19:15 pm
We have been crying for someone to break 20+ goals in a season and when we do... they were all easy goals, he shoots too much, we dont get enough points when he plays, and f*** knows what other stupid f***ing reason to be miserable.

Im fairly sure if I could be bothered I could find old posts saying he doesnt shoot enough and we always try to pass it into the net. People have long said his final though lets him down, and in part I agree, but now it feels like his final touch ends up in the back of the net.

If we signed him in the summer then everyone would be raving about him but we are finally seeing what endless managers have seen he is capable and people are f***ing whinging.

Absolutely f***ing embarrassing.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on March 28, 2023, 13:30:39 pm
Do not rise to the bait, trolls thrive on reaction
Except Evers has risen to the bait well over a month after Marvo initially posted. Hmmm!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on March 28, 2023, 13:34:35 pm
Few additional stats and facts relating to Super Sam this season. No player has taken more shots in the league than Sam this year.

Very much matches up with what my eyes tell me, mostly that he shoots on sight, which sometimes is to the detriment of the the team, but in general is understandable.

Sam has taken 117 shots this season, next closest is Omar Bogle of Newport with 87. so he leads the way by some margin.
Interestingly he has taken nearly as many as the next 3 most prolific shooters in the squad Sam 117, Pinnock 54, Bowie 34, Appere 32.

Sam leads the league with goals from outside the box, no other player has surpassed or matched his 5 goals from outside the area.

Seems like he has been given the green light from Brady this season just to let fly as often as possible.

Super Sam's official anthem then!

https://youtu.be/QtTR-_Klcq8


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 28, 2023, 14:40:25 pm
What does it feel like to be chosen?

Surprised, as he normally avoids certain commentators on here! Water of a ducks back in reality. Mind you being told that you are in the wrong country might be deeply hurtful for some. Mind you who wants to live in Snowdonia or the Grampians. However I did find the comment ‘was his Aussie trip one way’ amusing.Even more ironic is the fact he is unable to communicate with his pals on here whilst on the high seas. Found that amusing as well - when the cats away………etc. I sincerely hope this great opportunity is not missed.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: lordjord on March 28, 2023, 15:38:22 pm
We have been crying for someone to break 20+ goals in a season and when we do... they were all easy goals, he shoots too much, we dont get enough points when he plays, and f*** knows what other stupid f***ing reason to be miserable.

Im fairly sure if I could be bothered I could find old posts saying he doesnt shoot enough and we always try to pass it into the net. People have long said his final though lets him down, and in part I agree, but now it feels like his final touch ends up in the back of the net.

If we signed him in the summer then everyone would be raving about him but we are finally seeing what endless managers have seen he is capable and people are f***ing whinging.

Absolutely f***ing embarrassing.

Not sure if i was included in this but i am far from moaning in my post. I am delighted with his form this seasons, should be POTS and I hope he keeps shooting as much as he does, without his goals we would not be where we are. Just posting some facts as he has clearly made a fundamental change to his approach this season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on March 28, 2023, 16:07:39 pm

Sam has taken 117 shots this season, next closest is Omar Bogle of Newport with 87. so he leads the way by some margin.
Interestingly he has taken nearly as many as the next 3 most prolific shooters in the squad Sam 117, Pinnock 54, Bowie 34, Appere 32.


This is a very interesting comparison. It still puts Sam well ahead of his teammates as he has 20 goals to the others' combined 15, but it does show that the real difference in goalscoring effectiveness is not so big as it might seem.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 28, 2023, 16:08:52 pm
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid04E6GEDCfNeprLjTXfMmrLnF149EpdTREHGoxV1SeHna21sQQpaP9w6TRCM4dJqHTl&id=114498481954

<sarcasm>Here you go - all 20 scuffs, lucky deflections, rebounds and flukes that Sammy has had the sheer unmitigated gall to take credit for this season. </sarcasm>

I didn't think it was necessary, but just in case I've been included too I've edited my original post. :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 28, 2023, 17:11:55 pm
Except Evers has risen to the bait well over a month after Marvo initially posted. Hmmm!

Nothing to do with the fact that our esteemed 1st Class Train Driver is on the High Seas and apparently persona non grata.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 28, 2023, 17:16:41 pm
I didn't think it was necessary, but just in case I've been included too I've edited my original post. :P
Included in what?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 28, 2023, 17:25:59 pm
We have been crying for someone to break 20+ goals in a season and when we do... they were all easy goals, he shoots too much, we dont get enough points when he plays, and f*** knows what other stupid f***ing reason to be miserable.

Im fairly sure if I could be bothered I could find old posts saying he doesnt shoot enough and we always try to pass it into the net. People have long said his final though lets him down, and in part I agree, but now it feels like his final touch ends up in the back of the net.

If we signed him in the summer then everyone would be raving about him but we are finally seeing what endless managers have seen he is capable and people are f***ing whinging.

Absolutely f***ing embarrassing.

Brilliant post Stan. Forgive me in my ignorance but are you taking advantage of the sublime fact that the great one is on the high seas ;) ?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on March 28, 2023, 17:39:23 pm
We have been crying for someone to break 20+ goals in a season and when we do... they were all easy goals, he shoots too much, we dont get enough points when he plays, and f*** knows what other stupid f***ing reason to be miserable.

Im fairly sure if I could be bothered I could find old posts saying he doesnt shoot enough and we always try to pass it into the net. People have long said his final though lets him down, and in part I agree, but now it feels like his final touch ends up in the back of the net.

If we signed him in the summer then everyone would be raving about him but we are finally seeing what endless managers have seen he is capable and people are f***ing whinging.

Absolutely f***ing embarrassing.

No one is whinging Stan, embrace the love in.  8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on March 28, 2023, 19:17:50 pm
Well done Sam, I always knew you would come good.  8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on March 28, 2023, 20:25:12 pm
Well done Sam, I always knew you would come good.  8)
Pfffffft! ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3571 on March 29, 2023, 07:12:53 am
I didn't think it was necessary, but just in case I've been included too I've edited my original post. :P
It wasn't necessary for me. I was aware what / who you were referring to.

Not sure if i was included in this but i am far from moaning in my post. I am delighted with his form this seasons, should be POTS and I hope he keeps shooting as much as he does, without his goals we would not be where we are. Just posting some facts as he has clearly made a fundamental change to his approach this season.
Not especially, the facts are interesting but only 2 stats matter for me. 20 goals and 2nd in the league. Come the end of the season even the goals scored wont matter.

Just generally 42 pages of having to justify why a 20 league goal scorer is a good thing. Baffling


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 29, 2023, 08:02:07 am
It wasn't necessary for me. I was aware what / who you were referring to.
Not especially, the facts are interesting but only 2 stats matter for me. 20 goals and 2nd in the league. Come the end of the season even the goals scored wont matter.

Just generally 42 pages of having to justify why a 20 league goal scorer is a good thing. Baffling


 ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on March 29, 2023, 13:57:00 pm

Just generally 42 pages of having to justify why a 20 league goal scorer is a good thing. Baffling

To be fair, I think you'll find that about 40 of those pages were up before we had our 20 goal scorer. This thread goes all the way back to 2021 in fact.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DrillingCobbler on March 29, 2023, 14:08:33 pm
Well done Sam, I always knew you would come good.  8)

I was looking back at this thread the other day (too much time) and saw a comical reply from your good self to one of my pro-post Sam posts. Something to do with comparing with him to your dog. I hope your dogs well!!!  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3571 on March 29, 2023, 14:17:50 pm
To be fair, I think you'll find that about 40 of those pages were up before we had our 20 goal scorer. This thread goes all the way back to 2021 in fact.
December 27th, Page 26, so only 16 pages of bafflingness. I apologise (but not for inventing the work bafflingness, that's a great word).
Didn't realise he also score 20+ goals in 2022 and now 20+ goals this season. Makes the thread even more baffling


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on March 29, 2023, 14:27:26 pm
He is not a good player.

You still posting anti Hoskins opinions?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 30, 2023, 11:24:18 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/jon-brady-on-how-cobblers-have-got-the-best-out-of-sam-hoskins-this-season-4085384


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on March 30, 2023, 13:21:42 pm
I was looking back at this thread the other day (too much time) and saw a comical reply from your good self to one of my pro-post Sam posts. Something to do with comparing with him to your dog. I hope your dogs well!!!  ;D
My dogs a nutter chocolate cocker spaniel, if I had 10% of his energy 😂


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on March 30, 2023, 19:31:27 pm
A high proportion of top quality strikes in that lot and very few penalties....and all in league matches too. Super Sammy indeed! Anyone who thinks we would be anywhere near the top of the table without him is in dreamland.

That free kick at 0.38 is a beauty.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3551 on March 31, 2023, 18:14:43 pm

You still posting anti Hoskins opinions?

Nope.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on April 01, 2023, 08:41:18 am
Congratulations on reaching 20 goals Mr Hoskins. It would be unusual for a club to have a 20 goal player and not get promoted so that augers well for the remainder of the season.
I will comment no more on Hoskins this season. When I saw his Doncaster goal on SKY, the way their keeper passed it to him and presented him with an open goal, much in the manner of the Salford keeper letting the ball slip passed him or the ball that rebounded off the post, could have gone anywhere, but dropped to Hoskins 2 yards out in front of an empty net, I finally realised that this is his one season, the one where just about everything goes right, we've had to wait a long time for it to come. Good for him, good for us. You can just about attain anything if you're lucky, you'll win nothing if you're not. I look forward to seeing him in League 1. I wonder if his luck will run out. We'll see.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on April 01, 2023, 09:50:03 am

Congratulations on reaching 20 goals Mr Hoskins. It would be unusual for a club to have a 20 goal player and not get promoted so that augers well for the remainder of the season.
I will comment no more on Hoskins this season.


Very gracious.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on April 01, 2023, 11:41:14 am
Very gracious.

Indeed, faint praise :o


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3574 on April 01, 2023, 11:43:19 am
Super Sammy Hoskins......... may his purple patch last forever


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3566 on April 01, 2023, 13:14:00 pm
Hoskins in.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3578 on April 08, 2023, 23:18:31 pm
There is a lad playing for Dortmund called Jamie Bynoe-Gittens.

He "is" who Hoskins could have been ..... with the right coaching.

But, then again, Dortmund picked up Sancho (s*** since he signed for Man Utd), and Jude Bellingham - both for peanuts from English teams.

Get England on the front foot, and Bellingham will be our record Cap.

Be brave, England, and Bynoe-Gittens will scare the s*** out of any RB/RWB.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on April 09, 2023, 09:34:33 am
The lord is risen indeed...to quote rees-mogg or something.


...up to 7th in all-time now overtaking Chard and Davies recently. He is 20 games off reaching Joe Kiernan and Willy Watson for =5th though. 10 off 300 league appearances.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on April 09, 2023, 12:44:59 pm
There is a lad playing for Dortmund called Jamie Bynoe-Gittens.

He "is" who Hoskins could have been ..... with the right coaching.

But, then again, Dortmund picked up Sancho (s*** since he signed for Man Utd), and Jude Bellingham - both for peanuts from English teams.

Get England on the front foot, and Bellingham will be our record Cap.

Be brave, England, and Bynoe-Gittens will scare the s*** out of any RB/RWB.

Puzzled by this having read it 34 times, allegedly ::)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3551 on April 09, 2023, 20:40:36 pm
There are certainly people who can advise you over that sort of thing.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on April 10, 2023, 07:47:09 am
There are certainly people who can advise you over that sort of thing.

And …..?
Still waiting el whiffo


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on April 11, 2023, 12:53:22 pm
Sam Hoskins is on the shortlist for the Sky Bet League Two player of the season award.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Merry Comrade on April 12, 2023, 09:33:46 am
I am obviously pleased for him but I would be very suprised if he wins it. Unless The Hask is on the judging panel of course!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on April 15, 2023, 10:58:09 am
And now in League 2 team of the season with Jon Guthrie.

                                                                                            Harry Lewis

                                    Elliot Hewitt                  Jon Guthrie                          Carl Piergianni                             Chris Hussey

                                                     Owen Moxon                    Elliot Watt                            Idris EL-Mizoumi

                                                     Sam Hoskins                    Andy Cook                           Paul Smyth


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on April 15, 2023, 11:08:33 am
And now in League 2 team of the season with Jon Guthrie.

                                                                                            Harry Lewis

                                    Elliot Hewitt                  Jon Guthrie                          Carl Piergianni                             Chris Hussey

                                                     Owen Moxon                    Elliot Watt                            Idris EL-Mizoumi

                                                     Sam Hoskins                    Andy Cook                           Paul Smyth

I wonder if that combination of players have lost more than they’ve won when playing…. :P

Well deserved by both.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on April 15, 2023, 20:38:40 pm
where was this team of the year from?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: NTFC87 on April 15, 2023, 21:23:52 pm
where was this team of the year from?
this season😁😁


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on April 19, 2023, 07:32:03 am
Cometh the hour, cometh the man, Captain Sam leads his battle weary troops to a famous victory.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on April 19, 2023, 11:43:19 am
Cometh the hour, cometh the man, Captain Sam leads his battle weary troops to a famous victory.
Long may it continue! Imagine the burst blood vessels if he led the team to the championship!  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on April 22, 2023, 16:08:17 pm
Level in overall goals with Bayo now.

(although considering we won 3-1 today, it doesn't count as much) ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on April 22, 2023, 16:13:51 pm
One of the best servants we have had, he’ll definitely be a legend when he leaves/retires. I just hope he becomes that before then.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on April 22, 2023, 16:14:45 pm
There's a cruise ship somewhere with a cloud of ennui hovering over it  >:D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on April 22, 2023, 17:05:47 pm
Level in overall goals with Bayo now.

(although considering we won 3-1 today, it doesn't count as much) ;D


It’s not clear whether the goal today counts or not.   :P
I’d say it was pretty crucial.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 22, 2023, 20:45:11 pm
Terrific play in the build up and a truly superb finish...

Boys a legend. 21 league goals...and he's currently playing wing back. Love him!  :)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on April 23, 2023, 08:16:32 am
Brilliant goal by Sam yesterday started well in his own half and what a finish


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest2995 on April 23, 2023, 23:36:16 pm
I see the protagonists for “ we are a better team without Hoskins “ have gone a bit quiet recently.
Hoskins has been superb all season in whatever role he has been asked to play .
He would get into any other Div 2 side automatically .
Exactly the reason you should never listen to so called statisticians when it comes to making an evaluation.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on April 24, 2023, 05:17:03 am
I see the protagonists for “ we are a better team without Hoskins “ have gone a bit quiet recently.
Hoskins has been superb all season in whatever role he has been asked to play .
He would get into any other Div 2 side automatically .
Exactly the reason you should never listen to so called statisticians when it comes to making an evaluation.

I've gone quiet because I said I'd go quiet. Maybe you and others could respect that instead of continuingly trying to rope me back in.

I've a different opinion to you and that's all there is to it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on April 24, 2023, 06:55:03 am
I see the protagonists for “ we are a better team without Hoskins “ have gone a bit quiet recently.
Hoskins has been superb all season in whatever role he has been asked to play .
He would get into any other Div 2 side automatically .
Exactly the reason you should never listen to so called statisticians when it comes to making an evaluation.

Hoskins has had a number poor to average years at the club, with a relatively mediocre return at times. The club has stuck by him as much as he has by the club. Though I doubt he generated a lot of attention until recently. If I was (and I don't) looking at stats, I would imagine that he might not feature as my favourite player. However, this season has been nothing short of remarkable for him. Anyone that says they expected this form in him, is simply lying. But long may it continue for him and the club.   


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on April 24, 2023, 06:57:22 am
Well done to Sam league 2 player of the season

Let's hope his form continues next season


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on April 24, 2023, 07:07:18 am
It’s his “season in the sun” his form and work rate has been exemplary. I hope it continues into league 1 🤞🏻


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 24, 2023, 13:55:56 pm
Well he cant rise any higher now in terms of being a league2 player!

Hugely impressive. Cant really add much else. Goals, assists, work rate, fitness levels, now captain of the side. He marches on and on!!!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on April 24, 2023, 19:31:46 pm
Well done to Sam league 2 player of the season

Let's hope his form continues next season

Fantastic recognition and won’t be his last award this season. Well deserved.
Saw Bayo got a special award too.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on April 30, 2023, 21:07:57 pm
Sam takes the clean sweep. away player, players' player and player of the year awards


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Merry Comrade on May 01, 2023, 10:05:47 am
 Who was given the Supporter of the Year award? I was having a few beers before the game and I missed the presentations.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on May 01, 2023, 12:47:25 pm
Who was given the Supporter of the Year award?

Mysterious Curle - services towards coaching and tactics.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: The Hask on May 01, 2023, 12:54:28 pm
Who was given the Supporter of the Year award? I was having a few beers before the game and I missed the presentations.

I think Charles Commins from the podcast was given the Frank Large award


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 01, 2023, 15:44:37 pm
Mysterious Curle - services towards coaching and tactics.
;D ;D :afro


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on May 01, 2023, 20:13:49 pm
Mysterious Curle - services towards coaching and tactics.

Absolutely Bang on. Richly deserved so glad he has been acknowledged as the local Coaching Expert and I think he deserves his tactical know how deserves equal recognition at the highest level. No hindsight comments from him. There may be some jealous experts on here who may feel they have been let down and ignored. When is the presentation ceremony?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 03, 2023, 11:34:07 am
Super Sam to score the winner, unless he's in goal!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on May 03, 2023, 11:53:59 am
Super Sam to score the winner, unless he's in goal!

To clarify a winner can only be scored if the win is by a single goal, or if he scores all the goals. If he scores a hat trick in a 4 nil win they don’t actually count…..
Is it only Wednesday?!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on May 03, 2023, 13:13:35 pm
Hoskins has had a number poor to average years at the club, with a relatively mediocre return at times. The club has stuck by him as much as he has by the club. Though I doubt he generated a lot of attention until recently. If I was (and I don't) looking at stats, I would imagine that he might not feature as my favourite player. However, this season has been nothing short of remarkable for him. Anyone that says they expected this form in him, is simply lying. But long may it continue for him and the club.   

Interesting to read your views on Hoskins.  For me my view is that Hoskins is a late developer am just glad he has done so. If he had gone to Wycombe 2 years ago and his goal exploits propelled them back to the Championship you can imagine the response on here! The fact is your article barely disguises an underlying theme of poor performances and the Club has stuck with him and Vice Versa. Strangely you start with a critical analysis and finish with a pro Hoskins flourish. Do we know or even understand your views on our 20+ goal striker. For me it’s simple, just glad he is a Cobbler!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 03, 2023, 16:55:35 pm
To clarify a winner can only be scored if the win is by a single goal, or if he scores all the goals. If he scores a hat trick in a 4 nil win they don’t actually count…..
Is it only Wednesday?!
I keep forgetting that only "vital goals" count, and only if scored by that Appere fella, apologies   ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 03, 2023, 17:19:03 pm
I keep forgetting that only "vital goals" count, and only if scored by that Appere fella, apologies   ;)

If you remove the goals Hoskins has scored from our results we would lose 15pts.
If you remove the goals Appere has scored from our results we would lose 15pts.

Bloody facts Eh? Annoying when they get in the way.

I can imagine just how unhappy you'll be if Appere scored Monday in a 1-0 win. Take the shine of the promotion for you wouldn't it? Now me, I don't care who scores our winning goal, could be an OG for all I care, as long as we win.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 03, 2023, 17:53:12 pm
If you remove the goals Hoskins has scored from our results we would lose 15pts.
If you remove the goals Appere has scored from our results we would lose 15pts.

Bloody facts Eh? Annoying when they get in the way.

I can imagine just how unhappy you'll be if Appere scored Monday in a 1-0 win. Take the shine of the promotion for you wouldn't it? Now me, I don't care who scores our winning goal, could be an OG for all I care, as long as we win.
Try casting your bait a little further  ;) 🐟🐟🐟


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 03, 2023, 17:58:41 pm
Try casting your bait a little further  ;) 🐟🐟🐟

I thought it was you in the fishing boat.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on May 03, 2023, 18:43:59 pm
But if we draw on Monday and Stockport win then depending on their winning margin we lose out on 3rd place on goal difference as theirs will be at least 10 goals better than ours. This will be due to the rest of the squad not "stepping up" regularly enough to support Sam's remarkable season FACT.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on May 03, 2023, 18:46:48 pm
He may divide opinion but his appearances, goals (and very importantly) reliability speak for themself.
It’s been said before but could all of the managers got his consistent inclusion badly wrong?
It may highlight the level we are at…but it’s the level we’re at and without him (on top of the injury crisis) he’s been absolutely magnificent, hence the list of awards. We wouldn’t be fighting for promotion without him and Appere. I doubt there are many league two teams he wouldn’t have walked straight into this season. Not forgetting with his goal tally he rarely plays as a centre forward.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on May 03, 2023, 18:49:24 pm
PS if JB plays him right back and we don’t win, it’ll be up there with Boothroyd dropping Bayo.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 03, 2023, 18:52:15 pm
I thought it was you in the fishing boat.
If I was, it worked  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on May 03, 2023, 19:55:26 pm
Wouldn't it be great if Super Sam scored the winning goal that gets us promoted.

I think that will make a lot of people very happy.  Even if it was a penalty.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on May 03, 2023, 21:05:09 pm
Wouldn't it be great if Super Sam scored the winning goal that gets us promoted.

I think that will make a lot of people very happy.  Even if it was a penalty.

Sam has a good goalscoring record up at Tranmere. I expect him to continue that on Monday.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 08, 2023, 13:31:40 pm
And he does it 🥳


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: just.reading on May 08, 2023, 13:32:57 pm
3 promotions with us now, is that the most ever at the club? McWilliams has 3 too but didn’t play a game in the 15/16 season


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on May 08, 2023, 13:42:30 pm
Sam has a good goalscoring record up at Tranmere. I expect him to continue that on Monday.

I. Thank. You.  :)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on May 08, 2023, 13:44:07 pm
Wouldn't it be great if Super Sam scored the winning goal that gets us promoted.

I think that will make a lot of people very happy.  Even if it was a penalty.

You called it Bingers.  :)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on May 08, 2023, 13:53:46 pm
The final score;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/league-two/top-scorers


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on May 08, 2023, 15:25:09 pm
You called it Bingers.  :)

One just instinctively knows these things.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on May 08, 2023, 15:32:09 pm
there we go.

22 goals in 42 games. 52.4%

and to top it off, overtaken Bayo in overall goals to move up to 12th.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 08, 2023, 15:37:53 pm
He's done himself and NTFC proud, well done Mr Hoskins  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on May 08, 2023, 16:00:18 pm
Wouldn't it be great if Super Sam scored the winning goal that gets us promoted.

I think that will make a lot of people very happy.  Even if it was a penalty. For me MOM was Sam Hoskins

Spot on, a sublime volley? too. There looked if there was more than 2200 with the isles packed out!
Defence played very well particularly Shelling and Dyche. They all did well limiting Rovers to very few shots on goal. Even so Burge managed to have a fine game. Fire was met by fire by the midfield who played an influential part in wining the game. Needless to say McW played well as did Leonard in fact the whole team played well thanks to JB’s coaching and technical expertise!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on May 08, 2023, 17:47:06 pm
Doubt we'll have ever sealed promotion with a better goal!

A superb goal from League 2's officially best player! I'm confident Sam will fare a lot better in League 1 than he did last time.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: bungle on May 08, 2023, 18:03:18 pm
A certain section of our fanbase struggle to accept that players develop at different rates and at different times in their careers.

For instance, some of us rated Ivan Toney; some of us turned our noses up at the idea of signing him back on loan when he was struggling to get a game for Newcastle. None of us, I am sure, foresaw that he would develop into a 20-goal-a-season Premier league and England striker. In Ivan's case, he had a highly promising breakthrough (keeping us up with his goals) followed by a couple of seasons of stagnation and then a steady meteoric rise from P*sh to Premier League superstar.

In Sammy's case, it has taken him until the age of 30 to develop the composure and decision making to compliment the other qualities which he's always had in abundance: pace, close control, work rate. Perhaps its becoming a father. perhaps it's work on the training ground with Brady/Rico etc, but you can just see him slowing down, waiting a beat and thinking a moment before shooting or crossing now and that has made all the difference.

For me, it's a salutary reminder to be patient with players. I think Louis Appere, for instance, has a high ceiling and is well capable of having a Hoskins2022-23-like season once he learns to be a bit more ruthless, to pull the trigger earlier and to make the most of his gifts as a creative wide forward.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on May 08, 2023, 19:11:59 pm
The perfect end to a perfect season for our Sam!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on May 08, 2023, 20:32:01 pm
A very striking and appropriate image. Well done photographer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65445792


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 08, 2023, 20:46:17 pm
Doubt we'll have ever sealed promotion with a better goal!

A superb goal from League 2's officially best player! I'm confident Sam will fare a lot better in League 1 than he did last time.
Frains was ok


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 08, 2023, 20:54:35 pm
A very striking and appropriate image. Well done photographer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65445792

Fantastic image. Definitely going on the bike shed wall..


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: southofthecounty on May 08, 2023, 22:18:56 pm
Fantastic image. Definitely going on the bike shed wall..
The pic of the strike for the goal is good too.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on May 09, 2023, 07:36:08 am
A beautifully executed goal worthy of winning any match but in the grand scheme of things does it count? It may have won us the game but was not decisive in clinching promotion as Stockport's failure did that for us.

Well done Sam, now show Division 1 what you are capable of.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2023, 07:50:08 am
2016.
2020.
2023.

Three promotions. Who scored in each decisive day? Sam Hoskins.

That man’s end product this year has truly rammed humble pie down my throat time and time again; and it’s tasted delicious. What a goal to seal it as well. Outstanding technique and it was in from the second it left his boot.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Risdene on May 09, 2023, 07:56:07 am
Mr Sam Hoskins- RESPECT.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on May 09, 2023, 08:35:34 am
Mr Sam Hoskins- RESPECT.

I think you'll find it's Mr Samuel Tobias Hoskins. ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: NTFC87 on May 17, 2023, 18:18:28 pm
See Tim Oglethorpe(BBC NPTON)got his Sam Hoskins tattoo as promised fair play to him 😍😍😍😍😍


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 17, 2023, 18:25:43 pm
See Tim Oglethorpe(BBC NPTON)got his Sam Hoskins tattoo as promised fair play to him 😍😍😍😍😍
Said it was uncomfortable but a bearable pain.........  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: NTFC87 on May 17, 2023, 19:53:55 pm
Said it was uncomfortable but a bearable pain.........  ;D ;D ;D
bit  like Sammy for the last 7-8 years 😁😁😁😁😁


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 17, 2023, 20:01:13 pm
bit  like Sammy for the last 7-8 years 😁😁😁😁😁
;D I think this season has made up for that  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Substitute on May 18, 2023, 12:37:20 pm
Don't get me started on Ivan Toney.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on May 18, 2023, 12:43:11 pm
I don't think anybody was trying to.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on May 18, 2023, 14:14:50 pm
It would be great if someone would come in for Sammy the scamp, and offer us say £500k for the little imps services, we could then buy a proper L1 striker and Kelvin could buy something shiny with the majority of the surplus.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on May 18, 2023, 15:43:08 pm
It would be great if someone would come in for Sammy the scamp, and offer us say £500k for the little imps services, we could then buy a proper L1 striker and Kelvin could buy something shiny with the majority of the surplus.

I'd rather keep Sammy, although £1 million might change things.  Someone on Facebook said he was going to Wrexham but where he got that from I do not know.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 18, 2023, 15:52:53 pm
Hang onto Super Sammy Hoskins....... He might surprise a few in League 1. How many people would have bet on him being the top goal scorer for NTFC at the start of last season? Or how many awards he won from fellow professionals? PS let it go  >:D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Substitute on May 18, 2023, 15:56:23 pm
Let the fella go. Enough is enough.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on May 18, 2023, 17:20:53 pm
I’d imagine any half decent player will be mentioned in the same sentence as ‘Wrexham’.
Be interesting to see if Tozer has another season in him. His arms must be knackered.  :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on May 18, 2023, 17:22:52 pm
I'd rather keep Sammy, although £1 million might change things.  Someone on Facebook said he was going to Wrexham but where he got that from I do not know.
Timmy talks a load of crap. He should stick to cricket.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DrillingCobbler on May 19, 2023, 08:16:25 am
It would be great if someone would come in for Sammy the scamp, and offer us say £500k for the little imps services, we could then buy a proper L1 striker and Kelvin could buy something shiny with the majority of the surplus.

Well he wont come from league 2 because Super Sam was the best player in that league! He was also easily our best attacking player in the last 2 attempts we had in league1, and he's much better now than he was then.

So we'd be looking for a better replacement winger/wide player/defender/forward for about 250k. From either non league or league1 or above. Good luck with that one mate!  ;D

The little imp on the right and Jacobs on the left would be fcuking tasty. Work rate, goals and pure class....


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 19, 2023, 11:11:54 am
Well he wont come from league 2 because Super Sam was the best player in that league! He was also easily our best attacking player in the last 2 attempts we had in league1, and he's much better now than he was then.

So we'd be looking for a better replacement winger/wide player/defender/forward for about 250k. From either non league or league1 or above. Good luck with that one mate!  ;D

The little imp on the right and Jacobs on the left would be fcuking tasty. Work rate, goals and pure class....
In full agreement with you


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on May 19, 2023, 11:13:50 am
Mostly Pinnock plays right and Hoskins left so they can cut inside on their favoured foot, could play Pinnock right Jacobs left and play Sam as 1 of 2 strikers. Alternatively Jacobs has also been playing as a number10.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on May 21, 2023, 16:49:17 pm
Mostly Pinnock plays right and Hoskins left so they can cut inside on their favoured foot, could play Pinnock right Jacobs left and play Sam as 1 of 2 strikers. Alternatively Jacobs has also been playing as a number10.

He might well play there!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on May 21, 2023, 17:25:42 pm
Well he wont come from league 2 because Super Sam was the best player in that league! He was also easily our best attacking player in the last 2 attempts we had in league1, and he's much better now than he was then.

So we'd be looking for a better replacement winger/wide player/defender/forward for about 250k. From either non league or league1 or above. Good luck with that one mate!  ;D

The little imp on the right and Jacobs on the left would be fcuking tasty. Work rate, goals and pure class....

Exactly.
Any thought of selling Hoskins is raididculous for the reasons above.
It's only being entertained on here by people embarrassed by the constant negative posts they put in previous years. Let's hope he scores plenty of unimportant goals for us next season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on May 21, 2023, 17:29:40 pm
Exactly.
Any thought of selling Hoskins is raididculous for the reasons above.
It's only being entertained on here by people embarrassed by the constant negative posts they put in previous years. Let's hope he scores plenty of unimportant goals for us next season.
Too true, too true!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Substitute on May 22, 2023, 16:21:28 pm
An offer has been made.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on June 03, 2023, 14:08:16 pm
City scored a ‘Hoskins’.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Fabbiadini on June 03, 2023, 14:12:46 pm
Feels harsh saying this since he was genuinely fantastic last season, but it's not uncommon for a player to have one stand-out season they never replicate. We've certainly had a few duds that were red hot before joining.

But agree it would only make sense to sell for an absolutely silly offer. Couple hundred grand is nothing in the scheme of things, we'd struggle to find a replacement for that let alone improve on him.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on June 03, 2023, 16:40:37 pm
The season ticket money is in. A cynic would say......................but Thomas and Bower still need your support. Sam will therefore stay unless he wants to go.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on June 03, 2023, 18:03:57 pm
Feels harsh saying this since he was genuinely fantastic last season, but it's not uncommon for a player to have one stand-out season they never replicate. We've certainly had a few duds that were red hot before joining.

But agree it would only make sense to sell for an absolutely silly offer. Couple hundred grand is nothing in the scheme of things, we'd struggle to find a replacement for that let alone improve on him.

I certainly wouldn't expect Sam to have another 20-goal season, especially in L1, but he's not a one-season wonder. His scoring rate had already been going up steadily in the last few seasons. He was one of our best players last time in L1 and as has been said on here already, he's a better player now than he was then. I hope and expect him to do well again next season. We should not be thinking of letting him go at all if possible, and certainly not for less than a million. He has plenty of assists as well as his goals. Both are worth money.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on June 03, 2023, 18:16:16 pm
I can't see Sam going anywhere unless the money is stupid his family is settled here and after 8 season he's at a club he clearly likes being at with coaches who gey the best out of him


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: yayo bayo on June 03, 2023, 18:23:11 pm
Every other fan of other teams who know about him I talk to rate him very highly. They see the highlights of him in games, we see the spurned opportunities as well. The one thing people don’t mention so much is that he always puts himself in the situations for a shot or an assist and that is so valuable regardless of spurning gilt edged chances. Keeper unless it was a silly offer!!!!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on June 03, 2023, 18:28:42 pm
I certainly wouldn't expect Sam to have another 20-goal season, especially in L1, but he's not a one-season wonder. His scoring rate had already been going up steadily in the last few seasons. He was one of our best players last time in L1 and as has been said on here already, he's a better player now than he was then. I hope and expect him to do well again next season. We should not be thinking of letting him go at all if possible, and certainly not for less than a million. He has plenty of assists as well as his goals. Both are worth money.


He was dreadful the last time he was in L1, as were most of the team, we got relegated.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: yayo bayo on June 03, 2023, 18:29:18 pm
I can remember when he first signed and I was watching at Bristol Rovers. Before the game started the ntfc bench were all chatting in front of my section. He was eying up my missus at the time ( super hot, how times change). I thought he was a youth teamer and thought you cheeky little s*** (if I was still with her, if Sammy promised me another 20 goals he could have a go no problem!)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on June 03, 2023, 18:51:13 pm
We should slap a one million pound price on his head with add ons , if Charlie Goode is worth that then so is Sam. After 8 seasons with us though I just can't see him leaving.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3600 on June 03, 2023, 19:31:22 pm
So long as he ain't offered another contract.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on June 04, 2023, 11:03:47 am
Sam's like a fine wine, maturing with age.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on June 04, 2023, 11:26:05 am
Next season will be interesting, Super Sam scoring the irrelevant goals that carry the Cobblers to the Championship  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on June 04, 2023, 15:00:20 pm
He was dreadful the last time he was in L1, as were most of the team, we got relegated.

I don't think he was enywhere near dreadful, but I admitt that saying he was one of our better players isn't saying much as I agree we had a poor side last time we were in L1.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: UTC on June 04, 2023, 15:42:43 pm
Next season will be interesting, Super Sam scoring the irrelevant goals that carry the Cobblers to the Championship  ;)

I'll have a pint of what you've been drinking  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on June 04, 2023, 15:54:38 pm
I'll have a pint of what you've been drinking  ;D
Yorkshire Gold Tea........ The drink of the eternal optimist  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 04, 2023, 17:14:23 pm
Exactly.
Any thought of selling Hoskins is raididculous for the reasons above.
It's only being entertained on here by people embarrassed by the constant negative posts they put in previous years. Let's hope he scores plenty of unimportant goals for us next season.

Agreed - they remind me of the three witches romping round the fire shrieking doom and despair.Macbeth opening scene!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on June 04, 2023, 17:31:17 pm
Every other fan of other teams who know about him I talk to rate him very highly. They see the highlights of him in games, we see the spurned opportunities as well. The one thing people don’t mention so much is that he always puts himself in the situations for a shot or an assist and that is so valuable regardless of spurning gilt edged chances. Keeper unless it was a silly offer!!!!


Bradford fan’s thought that Appéré was sheer class. They can have him for £500k!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobbler151 on June 04, 2023, 17:38:25 pm


Bradford fan’s thought that Appéré was sheer class. They can have him for £500k!

I speak to a Carlise fan regularly and he's always going on a out how they need a striker like Appere.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on June 04, 2023, 18:11:02 pm


Bradford fan’s thought that Appéré was sheer class. They can have him for £500k!

Don't need him, they have Oliver. 😂


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 15, 2023, 09:08:02 am
Here we are then, seems to have been some other thread with no real substance in the absence of the games and goals of Hoskins. But he's off again with a free-kick against Wigan.

Looking ahead, in his sights now are his 300 league games for the club which will come against Peterborough where he will equal Ron Patterson. In the upcoming months - Jack English, Len Hammond, Roly Mills, Joe Kiernan and Lloyd Davies.
Hoskins is also 9 games away from the top 5 all-time appearances.
1 league goal behind Harry King and Alan Woan, and 3 overall goals behind Fred Lessons.

...and he has just been nominated for the PFA players League Two player of the year.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on August 15, 2023, 09:25:28 am
It’s too early for a 23/24 appreciation thread but thank god we have him.
I foresee a season of bickering, worthless goals, points analysis (when we get some) and disagreements on whether he is genuine L1 quality….Championship minimum.  ;D

The Hoskins Effect is a great example of social media today. You’re either right or wrong.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 15, 2023, 10:21:42 am
It’s too early for a 23/24 appreciation thread but thank god we have him.
I foresee a season of bickering, worthless goals, points analysis (when we get some) and disagreements on whether he is genuine L1 quality….Championship minimum.  ;D

The Hoskins Effect is a great example of social media today. You’re either right or wrong.
Great point Dav on social media, as for Hoskins….😉


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 15, 2023, 20:53:18 pm
Level with King and Woan. Boom.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 15, 2023, 20:56:07 pm
Level with King and Woan. Boom.

If he carries on in the same vein, we’ll all be dreading the transfer window.

Well done Sam.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 16, 2023, 07:03:27 am
He deserves to play at the highest level he’s capable of. Our “talisman” has confounded all of his critics over the last 12 months or so! Thank you Super Sammy Hoskins 🙏


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 16, 2023, 07:27:58 am
He deserves to play at the highest level he’s capable of. Our “talisman” has confounded all of his critics over the last 12 months or so! Thank you Super Sammy Hoskins 🙏

He doesn't get any criticism now because he's very good at what he does. But I think everyone knows that wasn't always the case. But fair play to him. He's stuck around and turned out to be a bit of a blinder.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on August 16, 2023, 07:33:10 am
He might end up with a statue outside the ground.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on August 16, 2023, 07:55:22 am
Not sure it’s unique but certainly unusual to have a player ‘come good’ at a later stage of their career. However popular he’s been with some, he’s moved onto a different level. He just has a different demeanour and takes chances when he never would have before. Have to give JB a lot of credit for that. Confidence must play a huge part.
Without jinxing it, one of his biggest assets is his fitness record. Apart from keepers (ironically injured) you don’t get that many reliable outfield players, well we certainly don’t seem to!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on August 16, 2023, 08:49:30 am
The end product improvement since Brady, Calderwood and Richards have got involved, is pretty unprecedented. Massive respect to them but biggest to Hoskins.

There was literally one player in the squad who we wanted that ball to drop to, and thankfully it did.

Bag the winner on Saturday and we can get a statue built.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gen.Disorda on August 16, 2023, 08:51:23 am
The end product improvement since Brady, Calderwood and Richards have got involved, is pretty unprecedented. Massive respect to them but biggest to Hoskins.

There was literally one player in the squad who we wanted that ball to drop to, and thankfully it did.

Bag the winner on Saturday and we can get a statue built.

If Messi Ricky Holmes has scored some of these goals everyone would be talking about them for weeks.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Monkey on August 16, 2023, 08:55:12 am
Every manager has said Hoskins is one of the best finishers at the club (based on training, and you only have to watch shooting practice before a game to see that it defintley the case) and every manager has played him consistently. His strike rate is 1/5
So his ability hasnt changed. Its his confidence and the way he is being played - he's getting more chances, and he fancies himself to score them... as do I! The rest of his game hasnt actually changed much - he's good at what he does and isnt so good at a couple of other things... otherwise he wouldnt be at NTFC of course.

I think it's fair to say that there aren't many teams in L1 that wouldnt want him in their squad.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 16, 2023, 09:40:59 am
He doesn't get any criticism now because he's very good at what he does. But I think everyone knows that wasn't always the case. But fair play to him. He's stuck around and turned out to be a bit of a blinder.
Yes he has!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 16, 2023, 09:57:39 am
He might end up with a statue outside the ground.

He'd certainly be one of the cheaper options for a statue.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on August 16, 2023, 09:58:12 am


I think it's fair to say that there aren't many teams in L1 that wouldnt want him in their squad.


Steady on. Suggesting any of our players are L1 quality is a risky business around these parts.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 16, 2023, 10:26:12 am
Steady on. Suggesting any of our players are L1 quality is a risky business around these parts.
Not all of us have the benefit of superior footballing knowledge unlike some contributors, like the one who mentioned Appere’s lack of ability several times recently 😉


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 16, 2023, 10:40:16 am
Not sure it’s unique but certainly unusual to have a player ‘come good’ at a later stage of their career. However popular he’s been with some, he’s moved onto a different level. He just has a different demeanour and takes chances when he never would have before. Have to give JB a lot of credit for that. Confidence must play a huge part.
Without jinxing it, one of his biggest assets is his fitness record. Apart from keepers (ironically injured) you don’t get that many reliable outfield players, well we certainly don’t seem to!

He was out for a year with that leg injury during training, but other than that his fitness record has been very good.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on August 16, 2023, 18:40:32 pm
And now Sam is in the efl team of the week.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 16, 2023, 18:53:34 pm
And now Sam is in the efl team of the week.
Well deserved


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 20, 2023, 08:31:33 am
A good way to make your 300th league appearance for the cobblers. level with Ron Patterson.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on August 20, 2023, 18:29:34 pm
Unfortunately another yellow card yesterday and he already has 3 this season, he gets far too many for a player in his position usually more than the defenders.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 26, 2023, 16:27:06 pm
overtaken William Lockett in overall goals. Lockett, King and Woan in League goals. Up to 11th overall.

Level with Len Hammond and Jack English in league apperances.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 26, 2023, 16:29:45 pm
All irrelevant as well  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on August 26, 2023, 16:43:15 pm
3 goals in games equates to 27 over the season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 26, 2023, 16:49:42 pm
All irrelevant as well  ;)

you're forgetting that people said the same thing about old bill lockett as well...


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 26, 2023, 16:52:49 pm
All irrelevant as well  ;)

Not today, gained us two points but you already knew that.

Who was the unmarked player in the centre waiting for the pass and a simple tap in?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 26, 2023, 16:55:35 pm
you're forgetting that people said the same thing about old bill lockett as well...
Before my time boss  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2023, 17:40:24 pm
Not today, gained us two points but you already knew that.

Who was the unmarked player in the centre waiting for the pass and a simple tap in?

A Cheltenham player!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 26, 2023, 17:53:09 pm
A Cheltenham player!

https://ibb.co/c6s3dJw


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 26, 2023, 17:57:35 pm
Not today, gained us two points but you already knew that.

Who was the unmarked player in the centre waiting for the pass and a simple tap in?
No 33 was Brough. But he was not required in the end. But you already knew that. I love little Sammy, you carry on fishing mate.
https://www.skysports.com/football/cheltenham-town-vs-northampton-town/483648


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 26, 2023, 18:11:43 pm
No 33 was Brough. But he was not required in the end. But you already knew that. I love little Sammy, you carry on fishing mate.
https://www.skysports.com/football/cheltenham-town-vs-northampton-town/483648

I never said he was but had the keeper saved it he was ready to show his displeasure. In real time I was expecting the pass but maybe I should have known better.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 26, 2023, 18:34:59 pm
I never said he was but had the keeper saved it he was ready to show his displeasure. In real time I was expecting the pass but maybe I should have known better.
But he didnt save it, so "but had" becomes a pointless comment. Clearly, your constant little digs at Sam has become a bit of a crusade with you. In the meantime, I prefer to use a phrase that a personal heroine of mine once utilised, "just rejoice at that news".  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 26, 2023, 18:47:04 pm
But he didnt save it, so "but had" becomes a pointless comment. Clearly, your constant little digs at Sam has become a bit of a crusade with you. In the meantime, I prefer to use a phrase that a personal heroine of mine once utilised, "just rejoice at that news".  ;D

I say it as I see it. Today I saw a Cobblers player score the deserved and much needed winner. I was delighted. Well done to him. If I didn't care I wouldn't watch.

The difference between me and you, I see both sides, I'm not so besotted that I can't see what's good and bad.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 26, 2023, 19:02:17 pm
I say it as I see it. Today I saw a Cobblers player score the deserved and much needed winner. I was delighted. Well done to him. If I didn't care I wouldn't watch.

The difference between me and you, I see both sides, I'm not so besotted that I can't see what's good and bad.
We won. Whats bad? And by the way, I am not besotted, I am just not on an anti Hoskins crusade.
Carry on fishing son, get your keep net and bivouac secure.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 26, 2023, 19:10:42 pm
We won. Whats bad? And by the way, I am not besotted, I am just not on an anti Hoskins crusade.
Carry on fishing son, get your keep net and bivouac secure.

Nothings bad today. We've secured 3 much needed points, we're comfortably in midtable and we've witnessed a side definitely worse than us. Yet you see this as a perfect opportunity to goad me. Maybe take a look in the mirror?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 26, 2023, 19:18:36 pm
Super Sam deserves to play at the highest level he's capable of. An invaluable servant to NTFC thus far,  FACT!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: lordjord on August 26, 2023, 19:24:23 pm
I must say I was shouting square it when it happened! But then again Sammy seems to consistently score from that angle and Brough did miss from only a few yards out against Wigan. Regardless its great to see his purple patch continue, UP THE TOWN!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 26, 2023, 19:31:23 pm
I must say I was shouting square it when it happened!

Me too. However it had nothing to do with the players involved, I'd have said the same had it been the other way round and Brough shot.

Two seasons ago there was a game where Hoskins shot when he had someone waiting for a pass and a tap in. On that occasion he missed, we drew. You don't have to have a long memory to recall what a difference those 2 points would have made. All water under the bridge now.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: lordjord on August 26, 2023, 19:35:16 pm
Me too. However it had nothing to do with the players involved, I'd have said the same had it been the other way round and Brough shot.

Two seasons ago there was a game where Hoskins shot when he had someone waiting for a pass and a tap in. On that occasion he missed, we drew. You don't have to have a long memory to recall what a difference those 2 points would have made. All water under the bridge now.

Very true. Pinnock tried to square one last week when I thought he should have shot. All ifs, buts and maybes but just happy it went in and we got a well deserved 3 points!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 27, 2023, 09:21:16 am
Little correction about Lockett, Hoskins hasn't overtaken him yet. I forgot to add his Southern League apperances and goals to his Football League ones.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 27, 2023, 11:28:12 am
Little correction about Lockett, Hoskins hasn't overtaken him yet. I forgot to add his Southern League apperances and goals to his Football League ones.
Right pain that Southern League isn't it?  :)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on August 27, 2023, 11:30:30 am
Little correction about Lockett, Hoskins hasn't overtaken him yet. I forgot to add his Southern League apperances and goals to his Football League ones.

Certainly overtaken him in Football League appearances though. Does the Southern League count anyway. :D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on August 27, 2023, 11:50:04 am
On another day, in another season, Hoskins wouldn’t have shot. He would have squared it and either overhit the pass or Brough would have missed it.
He held his line for the mistake and just seems to hit it with so much more power and confidence these days, finding the corners. The power took it past the keeper. A great solo goal.
The reason he is scoring so many is that his attempt count must have increased dramatically.
All without being a centre forward.

If he hadn’t have scored I’m sure there would have been a mini post mortem…but he didn’t. 


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 27, 2023, 11:59:19 am
He is a much improved player, the coaching team at NTFC deserve a pat on their collective back


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 27, 2023, 13:40:32 pm
Long may the Hoskins excellence continue.. But…. I would love to know what turned his form around in the first place. I have never seen a player suddenly turn so good, so quick, in all of my days watching football. I’ve seen many a player turn to shît.

Your sincerely

Baffled of Northampton


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobbler151 on August 27, 2023, 14:17:25 pm
Hoskins is a club legend... FACT


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: FezNTFC on August 27, 2023, 15:09:00 pm
Long may the Hoskins excellence continue.. But…. I would love to know what turned his form around in the first place. I have never seen a player suddenly turn so good, so quick, in all of my days watching football. I’ve seen many a player turn to shît.

Your sincerely

Baffled of Northampton
I just think you have to give a lot of credit to the coaching staff as well as the player. They've clearly done a lot of work in terms of getting him into those kinds of positions, and the angled finishes are ones he seems to excel at.

Probably a combination of smart work on the training ground and then the early goals last season unlocking a bit of extra confidence he'd never had before.

Either way, let's hope it continues because he's now starting to get me thinking again about my all time XI...


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3619 on August 27, 2023, 19:16:34 pm
Hoskins deserves legendary status at our club .
There is no one that can finish like he can in this squad or that would have taken that chance at Cheltenham .
Vastly under rated


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on August 27, 2023, 20:39:31 pm
Hoskins deserves legendary status at our club .
There is no one that can finish like he can in this squad or that would have taken that chance at Cheltenham .
Vastly under rated

Totally agree B&S. Not so long ago Brady or it possibly could have been Curle said that Hoskins was the best finisher at the club.
How we all laughed. Who's laughing now? 😵‍💫


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3619 on August 27, 2023, 21:00:59 pm
Totally agree B&S. Not so long ago Brady or it possibly could have been Curle said that Hoskins was the best finisher at the club.
How we all laughed. Who's laughing now? 😵‍💫

Brady said that and you have to agree .
i didn’t laugh .
He has played so well for us for so long


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on August 28, 2023, 08:01:10 am
Sam has always had the ability to do what he does now he has just added consistency to his game. A player we need to start thinking of a new contract for asap


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Merry Comrade on August 28, 2023, 08:03:22 am
Apparently he puts mouch of his improved form down to the one to one coaching time he spends with Rico. Another Cobblers legend of course.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gen.Disorda on August 28, 2023, 08:21:45 am
He is a much improved player, the coaching team at NTFC deserve a pat on their collective back

We do need to settle this some how.

I say stick this outside the ground before a home game Marvo Vs a random southern league stat supporter. Winner gets to pick 🤣🤣🤣

(https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/3/2022/07/gladiators-2da6442.jpg?quality=90&fit=700,466)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gen.Disorda on August 28, 2023, 08:23:40 am
Apparently he puts mouch of his improved form down to the one to one coaching time he spends with Rico. Another Cobblers legend of course.

I messaged him before the start of last season saying it was a huge year for him and that he will go on to cement his name in Cobblers history. Personally I think that was the turning point.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on August 28, 2023, 08:49:25 am
Sam has always had the ability to do what he does now he has just added consistency to his game. A player we need to start thinking of a new contract for asap

A couple of years of what Hylton is on definitely, assuming he is on less.
It pumps any sale value up for starters.
I don’t see him going up the ladder but there are a lot of teams in L1/2 with money.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 28, 2023, 09:14:27 am
I messaged him before the start of last season saying it was a huge year for him and that he will go on to cement his name in Cobblers history. Personally I think that was the turning point.

Don't want to put it all down to me but.
I'll go since the start of this thread... 94 games. 38 goals.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 28, 2023, 09:55:54 am
We do need to settle this some how.

I say stick this outside the ground before a home game Marvo Vs a random southern league stat supporter. Winner gets to pick 🤣🤣🤣

(https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/3/2022/07/gladiators-2da6442.jpg?quality=90&fit=700,466)
Lycra 😱


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2023, 12:43:27 pm
The end product improvement since Brady, Calderwood and Richards have got involved, is pretty unprecedented. Massive respect to them but biggest to Hoskins.

There was literally one player in the squad who we wanted that ball to drop to, and thankfully it did.

Bag the winner on Saturday and we can get a statue built.

Apparently he puts mouch of his improved form down to the one to one coaching time he spends with Rico. Another Cobblers legend of course.

Thank you Merry Comgrade for backing up the point I made a few weeks ago.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on August 28, 2023, 12:48:56 pm
The difference I notice in Sam is that is a lot more composed, he doesn't snatch at chances now. Long may it continue !!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 28, 2023, 13:50:25 pm
The difference I notice in Sam is that is a lot more composed, he doesn't snatch at chances now. Long may it continue !!
Dead right Rog


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on August 28, 2023, 14:02:00 pm
The difference I notice in Sam is that is a lot more composed, he doesn't snatch at chances now. Long may it continue !!

I mentioned this on the match thread, along with wish that the same quality can be coached into the likes of Appere and Bowie.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: ntfclad on August 28, 2023, 14:44:09 pm
I mentioned this on the match thread, along with wish that the same quality can be coached into the likes of Appere and Bowie.

I’d say the opposite to Appere, he needs to shoot quicker. How many times does he dither and dally and lose a good shooting opportunity. Seems to do it in every game, when he takes them quicker (Lincoln for example) he has a better success rate.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on August 28, 2023, 14:46:22 pm
Well, if we're playing "I told you so" about Hoskins.... ;D
Exactly this. I really like Sammy but I've often said your best bet when he's running with the ball is for him to be brought down as he's unlikely to score himself. If he could just add a touch of composure to his game he'd be a hell of a player.

It's worth remembering that Hoskins has now played under 5 different managers for us (I think) and they've all had him in or around the squad when he's available. Granted, 3 of those managers were really poor for us, but I'd venture they all still know a thing or two more about what makes a good player than most of us armchair experts!


I think Curle's first recruit ought to be a sports psychologist to work on Hoskins. He's a terrific little player; quick, skilful, energetic, great movement and positioning... right up until the point that he needs to do something with the ball.

At that point something just goes in his head, he panics and wellies the ball as hard as he can to get rid of it. It doesn't seem to matter if it's a cross or a shot, it gets the full monty every time. If he was able to calm the f*** down and find some composure then he wouldn't be playing in league 2 for very long. Until that point though, he'll continue to frustrate.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobbler151 on August 28, 2023, 14:49:22 pm
I mentioned this on the match thread, along with wish that the same quality can be coached into the likes of Appere and Bowie.

Bowie's is in there imo.

Appere needs to work on his movement and runs, he's like a headless chicken at times.

Both are young and learning their trade.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2023, 15:26:25 pm
The difference I notice in Sam is that is a lot more composed, he doesn't snatch at chances now. Long may it continue !!

A lady friend said something similar to me some moons ago


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 28, 2023, 15:50:39 pm
A lady friend said something similar to me some moons ago
That would be many moons ago surely? 
BTW, thats a nice picture of you that popped up on FB over the weekend. Nice to see that you still have your trademark scowl. (only joking).  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 28, 2023, 18:34:53 pm
I messaged him before the start of last season saying it was a huge year for him and that he will go on to cement his name in Cobblers history. Personally I think that was the turning point.

Well done General, the players always appreciate the personal touch.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 28, 2023, 18:35:52 pm
Don't want to put it all down to me but.
I'll go since the start of this thread... 94 games. 38 goals.

I think is probably influencial as well.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 29, 2023, 19:45:35 pm
Named in the PFA League Two team of the year, although missed out to Andy Cook for poty.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 29, 2023, 20:32:46 pm
Named in the PFA League Two team of the year, although missed out to Andy Cook for poty.

Andy Cook couldn’t live with Sam on the pitch. Sam would have had destroyed him, had he not been frequently pushed back into defensive duties.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Fabbiadini on August 30, 2023, 07:28:02 am
Bowie's is in there imo.

Appere needs to work on his movement and runs, he's like a headless chicken at times.

Both are young and learning their trade.



Bowie needs to learn to stay on his feet more, he gets into good positions but is far too eager to go down and rarely gets the decision. He's the most talented technically in the squad after Pinnock, but just lacks the decisiveness in those key moments to make the most of it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on August 30, 2023, 15:24:43 pm
Great news!

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/sam-hoskins-commits-his-future-to-cobblers-after-signing-new-long-term-deal-4274062


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 30, 2023, 15:32:55 pm
Great news!

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/sam-hoskins-commits-his-future-to-cobblers-after-signing-new-long-term-deal-4274062

Is anyone going to say that it shows our desire to be a League Two club, or are we now all accepting that Super Sam is well and truly a League One player?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 30, 2023, 15:36:22 pm
Is anyone going to say that it shows our desire to be a League Two club, or are we now all accepting that Super Sam is well and truly a League One player?

nah not good enough, we should be in the championship.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 30, 2023, 15:37:18 pm
Is anyone going to say that it shows our desire to be a League Two club, or are we now all accepting that Super Sam is well and truly a League One player?
Someone said recently that league 1 would find him out  :-*

Super Sam has proved his worth


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 30, 2023, 15:38:43 pm
Is anyone going to say that it shows our desire to be a League Two club

Just you so far.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on August 30, 2023, 15:40:36 pm
Just you so far.



Noooooooo, that's not what I meant. Doh!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on August 30, 2023, 15:40:57 pm
Is anyone going to say that it shows our desire to be a League Two club, or are we now all accepting that Super Sam is well and truly a League One player?
Super Sam is quite literally one of the greatest little footie scamps in League 1 ever!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemender on August 30, 2023, 15:47:55 pm
Great news. There's plenty of other teams who'd love to have him. He's a credit to the club and it also says a lot about NTFC.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 30, 2023, 15:52:53 pm
Well done to the club, and great to have you around for the foreseeable future Sam.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 30, 2023, 16:03:16 pm
https://twitter.com/ntfc/status/1696901840682758304 (https://twitter.com/ntfc/status/1696901840682758304)

Best of his 78 goals and why is it the solo one at Exeter?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on August 30, 2023, 17:52:39 pm
Great news for us. Great news for Sam and I’m sure some added security for him and his family. Well deserved.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 30, 2023, 19:19:47 pm
The cynic in me thinks this is a bit of a distraction tactic.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 31, 2023, 07:01:02 am
🥱🥱🥱


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 31, 2023, 07:21:39 am
The cynic in me thinks this is a bit of a distraction tactic.

The cynic in me says, Hoskins got tapped up (League 2 agent probably), good personal offer, went to Brady, said he wanted more or he's off, hence extended contract.

I don't blame him by the way, we'd all do the same.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 31, 2023, 07:58:18 am
Fcuking hell. Even this great news has to be shrouded in cynicism and conjecture. Nobody knows the intimate details and circumstances surrounding the deal. Shall we just enjoy it, rather than dissect every detail that comes our way.  ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on August 31, 2023, 08:25:27 am
Fcuking hell. Even this great news has to be shrouded in cynicism and conjecture. Nobody knows the intimate details and circumstances surrounding the deal. Shall we just enjoy it, rather than dissect every detail that comes our way.  ;D ;D
Quite true. However moaning is the very lifeblood of this forum


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 31, 2023, 11:33:15 am
It’s not moaning it having an option on why this has been announced just before the transfer window closes.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Winslow Lee on August 31, 2023, 12:00:25 pm
It’s not moaning it having an option on why this has been announced just before the transfer window closes.

Had we not one the last couple then maybe, but the team is looking competitive and I wouldn’t think there would be any need for that type of stunt.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on August 31, 2023, 12:13:59 pm
Opinion!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 31, 2023, 12:20:55 pm
Opinion!
That as well 😉


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on August 31, 2023, 15:48:07 pm
The cynic in me says, Hoskins got tapped up (League 2 agent probably), good personal offer, went to Brady, said he wanted more or he's off, hence extended contract.

I don't blame him by the way, we'd all do the same.

Judging by his table full of awards from various places, it’s either that and/or we want a fair price from any circling vultures. Good business all round. If he’d performed like this from the off he’d be worth a fortune but then again we wouldn’t have seen him for long.
I wonder if it puzzles/frustrates him why it took so long to find this form at the age of 29/30? It might not be unique but must be extremely unusual. It’s not being unfair on his former self but he’s next level these days.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on August 31, 2023, 16:48:58 pm
Looks like Sam has rediscovered his youthful form;

Hoskins joined Southampton's youth academy from Oakwood Rangers in 2005, progressing through the ranks and becoming a permanent fixture in the club's youth and reserve sides. He was top goalscorer for Southampton's U18 side for two successive seasons, before repeating the feat the following two years at U21 level, despite being out on loan for significant periods during the season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on August 31, 2023, 22:26:12 pm
The cynic in me thinks this is a bit of a distraction tactic.
Seems I was right.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3619 on August 31, 2023, 22:35:04 pm
The cynic in me thinks this is a bit of a distraction tactic.
well spotted mate


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on September 01, 2023, 14:17:40 pm
The cynic in me thinks this is a bit of a distraction tactic.

Maybe it is, but I'd be amazed if Sam hasn't had a number of offers in the last few weeks. We've probably had to improve his terms considerably to get him to sign up again. Hopefully it wasn't a choice between improving his offer and getting in another attacker, but if it was, it was definitely the right choice. I can't think of anyone we could sign on a low budget who is likely to offer as much as Sam does. We are very lucky he still wants to stay.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on September 01, 2023, 14:33:10 pm
Maybe it is, but I'd be amazed if Sam hasn't had a number of offers in the last few weeks. We've probably had to improve his terms considerably to get him to sign up again. Hopefully it wasn't a choice between improving his offer and getting in another attacker, but if it was, it was definitely the right choice. I can't think of anyone we could sign on a low budget who is likely to offer as much as Sam does. We are very lucky he still wants to stay.
Wasn't Sam one of the players who got a contract extension halfway through last season? If so, he was probably under contract until the end of next season anyway.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on September 01, 2023, 14:35:33 pm
Wasn't Sam one of the players who got a contract extension halfway through last season? If so, he was probably under contract until the end of next season anyway.

Nope, would have been ooc next Summer, thankfully ain't gotta worry about that now  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on September 01, 2023, 14:58:29 pm
The cynic in me says, Hoskins got tapped up (League 2 agent probably), good personal offer, went to Brady, said he wanted more or he's off, hence extended contract.

I don't blame him by the way, we'd all do the same.

Why League 2?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 01, 2023, 16:32:40 pm
Why League 2?
Why haven’t we had a big offer for him from L1 or above?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on September 01, 2023, 16:42:11 pm
Be interesting if he gets another contract after this 1 if he was to getvto number 1 on the appearance list


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on September 01, 2023, 18:10:18 pm
Why haven’t we had a big offer for him from L1 or above?

I’m surprised you are so well connected to the club to know.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gustavo Palcrice on September 01, 2023, 18:32:56 pm
Oh dear. High tempo? Nope.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 02, 2023, 08:19:15 am
I’m surprised you are so well connected to the club to know.
We’d know because he would be sold.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on September 02, 2023, 08:54:47 am
We’d know because he would be sold.


Fair point well made.  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on September 08, 2023, 14:13:43 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-turned-down-good-money-for-star-man-during-summer-transfer-window-4285244


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gustavo Palcrice on September 08, 2023, 14:38:35 pm
Should have sold him and bought a decent goalscorer.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 08, 2023, 14:53:40 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-turned-down-good-money-for-star-man-during-summer-transfer-window-4285244

"We didn't receive any bids for him" ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 08, 2023, 15:23:13 pm
"We didn't receive any bids for him" ;D
What’s “good money” 😂


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on September 08, 2023, 15:40:06 pm
What’s “good money” 😂
The opposite of dirty money.  :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 08, 2023, 16:05:44 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-turned-down-good-money-for-star-man-during-summer-transfer-window-4285244

So now we are to believe what the chairman says over transfers but not trust him at all when it comes to finance or the ground or budget?

Whatever we were offered, indeed if we were offered anything at all, couldn't have amounted to "big" money or we would have sold him. Same as it couldn't have been a "big" club that came calling else Hoskins would have wanted to go. What player wouldn't?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on September 08, 2023, 17:00:41 pm
So now we are to believe what the chairman says over transfers but not trust him at all when it comes to finance or the ground or budget?

Whatever we were offered, indeed if we were offered anything at all, couldn't have amounted to "big" money or we would have sold him. Same as it couldn't have been a "big" club that came calling else Hoskins would have wanted to go. What player wouldn't?


There are some who are risk averse or like stability. Having said that, if someone came in to quadruple his money it’d need some resistance to change to turn it down.  ;D
Last year I turned down a 20% pay rise because when you weigh things up sometimes it’s better the devil you know.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on September 08, 2023, 17:08:24 pm
As this debate largely hinges on what "good" or "big" money actually means, which nobody has actually defined in Sam's case, including KT of course.  Perhaps we should try to decide how much we would consider to be a "big money" offer for our Sam. I'd say 500K+ and unless it was considerabky higher  I'd still want to keep him.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 08, 2023, 17:09:45 pm


There are some who are risk averse or like stability. Having said that, if someone came in to quadruple his money it’d need some resistance to change to turn it down.  ;D
Last year I turned down a 20% pay rise because when you weigh things up sometimes it’s better the devil you know.
More like you dont like the concept of change.
How many times do I have to tell you wife, we always have peas on a tuesday, not carrots.  :D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on September 08, 2023, 19:28:41 pm
So now we are to believe what the chairman says over transfers but not trust him at all when it comes to finance or the ground or budget?

Whatever we were offered, indeed if we were offered anything at all, couldn't have amounted to "big" money or we would have sold him. Same as it couldn't have been a "big" club that came calling else Hoskins would have wanted to go. What player wouldn't?

Jeez, at some point you are going to have to let go.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on September 08, 2023, 19:39:05 pm
It's a type of hybrid warfare  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 08, 2023, 20:08:03 pm
Jeez, at some point you are going to have to let go.

Why?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on September 08, 2023, 20:14:18 pm
More like you dont like the concept of change.
How many times do I have to tell you wife, we always have peas on a tuesday, not carrots.  :D

I LOVE change (especially peas or carrots) and spent my career instigating it. Mine was more driven by a 45% pension contribution and a six figure redundo package I’m working towards. The only new challenge you want at my age is finding the fastest route to get home.
I reckon Sammy is happy with his package and environment.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gustavo Palcrice on September 08, 2023, 20:31:42 pm
Oh No! Someone is talking about Sammy's package now. This really has reached the bottom. Oops!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 08, 2023, 20:38:23 pm
Why?

You mean 'you don't get it'?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 08, 2023, 20:48:33 pm
KT and his mind tricks, the sheep lap it up.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 08, 2023, 21:06:00 pm
You mean 'you don't get it'?

No. No, I don't. What's to get?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 08, 2023, 21:25:04 pm
KT and his mind tricks, the sheep lap it up.
Baa


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on September 08, 2023, 21:37:16 pm
In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 09, 2023, 08:09:41 am
Baa
Was that one of the main drivers for your “move” more four legged totty? 😉


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 09, 2023, 09:18:35 am
It was reported that the Saudis bid £150 million for Mo Salah, If we received a £1/2 million offer for Sam that valuation makes him 1/300th the player that Salah is. Sam is better than that.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 09, 2023, 11:04:38 am
He probably didn't fancy North Wales??


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 09, 2023, 11:14:19 am
Was that one of the main drivers for your “move” more four legged totty? 😉
Waste of time, the good ones are all taken.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on September 09, 2023, 13:28:43 pm
Why?

Why? Because it does you no favours. It makes you look like a person that can't admit that has misjudged a player even though you were one of many.
You could say the emergence of Hoskins was on the cards thanks to his constant phenomenal work rate. It was also thanks to the belief of other managers who live football rather than see the tip of the match iceberg. Brady is the lucky manager reaping the rewards but if it wasn't for those previous managers we would be still languishing in League 2.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 09, 2023, 13:38:36 pm
Why? Because it does you no favours. It makes you look like a person that can't admit that has misjudged a player even though you were one of many.
You could say the emergence of Hoskins was on the cards thanks to his constant phenomenal work rate. It was also thanks to the belief of other managers who live football rather than see the tip of the match iceberg. Brady is the lucky manager reaping the rewards but if it wasn't for those previous managers we would be still languishing in League 2.

But my post didn't criticise Hoskins.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on September 09, 2023, 14:05:41 pm
But my post didn't criticise Hoskins.

You wont accept there were offers from other clubs even though the chairman said this was the case. This directly implies he's not good enough for these offers and the chairman was lying.
It's about as nuanced as you can get.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 09, 2023, 14:14:27 pm
You wont accept there were offers from other clubs even though the chairman said this was the case. This directly implies he's not good enough for these offers and the chairman was lying.
It's about as nuanced as you can get.

Oh I think there were offers. Somebody undoubtedly put in a cheeky bid, test the water. What I would question is whether they were for "good money" like the chairman claimed. Of course, that would be up to your own definition of good money. As for who made those bids, I don't know but I seriously, seriously doubt it was from anyone higher up the league ladder.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 09, 2023, 15:03:54 pm
Oh I think there were offers. Somebody undoubtedly put in a cheeky bid, test the water. What I would question is whether they were for "good money" like the chairman claimed. Of course, that would be up to your own definition of good money. As for who made those bids, I don't know but I seriously, seriously doubt it was from anyone higher up the league ladder.
If it was anywhere near decent he would have gone.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on September 09, 2023, 15:42:52 pm
He's our player, we'd still be in League 2 without his goals last season, I understand that people are hurt by his achievements, but let it go and enjoy his exploits for NTFC. You'll feel better for it


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on September 09, 2023, 16:02:40 pm
Oh I think there were offers. Somebody undoubtedly put in a cheeky bid, test the water. What I would question is whether they were for "good money" like the chairman claimed. Of course, that would be up to your own definition of good money. As for who made those bids, I don't know but I seriously, seriously doubt it was from anyone higher up the league ladder.

So there you have it.
You are questioning whether the offers were for "good money" from higher clubs without any knowledge about any offers or any clubs. So KT is lying,
It's another snipe at Sam Hoskins from someone who resents his success because they slated him earlier and hates they got it wrong.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 09, 2023, 16:54:22 pm
So there you have it.
You are questioning whether the offers were for "good money" from higher clubs without any knowledge about any offers or any clubs. So KT is lying,
It's another snipe at Sam Hoskins from someone who resents his success because they slated him earlier and hates they got it wrong.

1) Yes I am questioning whether he is lying, though I'd guess he would see it as putting the best light on it.

2) I've got nothing wrong in regards Hoskins. He's been here for 8 years and for the first 6 of them he was stealing a living. He came good (at last) in 2022/3 and hopefully he'll continue to come good for the remainder of this season but if I'd been betting on a horse for 8 years and he only won his first race in the seventh of those, I wouldn't be gloating about what a good bet I'd made.

Now that is my opinion, I'm entitled to it and I'm not changing my mind, at least not yet. (another 20 goals this season and I might have to) I realise most of you don't agree with me and that's fine, you are entitled to your opinions as well. Now I don't want to go over old ground again so why not just let it lie instead of trying to find offence where there isn't any. You are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours, particularly as I'm not trying to so how about we stop wasting each others time?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 09, 2023, 17:12:16 pm
You are such an argumentative old scrote at times. You clearly get stimulated by how far you can get underneath peoples skin, and then ask them to explain themselves. Nice try.
As an aside, did you ever do the Bedford to Brighton Thameslink run? If so, then there is a good chance that I may have been on one of your trains. Never give a driver a microphone, unless you want to hear a moaning bore.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 09, 2023, 17:19:55 pm
If an offer for Hoskins had been made to our previous chairman he would probably have accepted it without hesitation.

Nobody knows how high up the league ladder the recent bids came from so it is pointless speculating. However, I believe Sam is very settled at the club and in the area and it would have taken a considerable improvement to his contract to persuade him to leave.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 09, 2023, 17:25:03 pm
You are such an argumentative old scrote at times. You clearly get stimulated by how far you can get underneath peoples skin, and then ask them to explain themselves. Nice try.
As an aside, did you ever do the Bedford to Brighton Thameslink run? If so, then there is a good chance that I may have been on one of your trains. Never give a driver a microphone, unless you want to hear a moaning bore.

You won't be surprised to hear I disagree. Once again another poster has read something into a post of mine that simply wasn't there. I don't give two f***s what other people's opinions are and I'm at a loss as to why people care about mine. What a strange world it would be if we all thought the same.

Yes, I drove trains from Bedford to Brighton but as a driving i struct8r it would have been my trainee making the announcements. Drivers are instructed what to announce, I never used to bother unless absolutely necessary. Passengers did used to get annoyed if you didn't keep them informed as to why a train was late or being delayed.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on September 09, 2023, 17:26:17 pm
https://youtu.be/pDJKgi2e-Aw?si=p-bE8e8xAV2PrQ4b


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 09, 2023, 17:26:36 pm
If an offer for Hoskins had been made to our previous chairman he would probably have accepted it without hesitation.

Nobody knows how high up the league ladder the recent bids came from so it is pointless speculating. However, I believe Sam is very settled at the club and in the area and it would have taken a considerable improvement to his contract to persuade him to leave.

I agree with all of that.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 09, 2023, 17:45:06 pm

Yes, I drove trains from Bedford to Brighton but as a driving i struct8r it would have been my trainee making the announcements. Drivers are instructed what to announce, I never used to bother unless absolutely necessary. Passengers did used to get annoyed if you didn't keep them informed as to why a train was late or being delayed.
Somehow, I just knew that was you. The train from Coulsdon South always did have a unique whining sound.  ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 09, 2023, 18:15:31 pm
Somehow, I just knew that was you. The train from Coulsdon South always did have a unique whining sound.  ;D ;D

Never stopped at Couldson South.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 09, 2023, 18:35:33 pm
Never stopped at Couldson South.
Not surprised, as you cant even spell it correctly.
I also boarded at Purley and East Croydon. And you did stop there.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 09, 2023, 21:33:30 pm
You won't be surprised to hear I disagree. Once again another poster has read something into a post of mine that simply wasn't there. I don't give two f***s what other people's opinions are and I'm at a loss as to why people care about mine. What a strange world it would be if we all thought the same.

Yes, I drove trains from Bedford to Brighton but as a driving i struct8r it would have been my trainee making the announcements. Drivers are instructed what to announce, I never used to bother unless absolutely necessary. Passengers did used to get annoyed if you didn't keep them informed as to why a train was late or being delayed.

You cannot be too surprised at Saucy's post. Over the past few months you have tried to diminish the importance of Hoskins, a true blessing to this Club, Having suffered a set back to that egoistic enterprise you then embarked on an ill-fated effort in what appeared to be an effort to influence minds relating to our fortune and future progress in League One,. For somebody who was once a widely respected forum member it is time to consider your stance when posting.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 10, 2023, 06:26:03 am
You won't be surprised to hear I disagree. Once again another poster has read something into a post of mine that simply wasn't there. I don't give two f***s what other people's opinions are and I'm at a loss as to why people care about mine. What a strange world it would be if we all thought the same.

Yes, I drove trains from Bedford to Brighton but as a driving i struct8r it would have been my trainee making the announcements. Drivers are instructed what to announce, I never used to bother unless absolutely necessary. Passengers did used to get annoyed if you didn't keep them informed as to why a train was late or being delayed.
Once again you are wrong. There was one driver, who regularly used to read out a little poem that he had composed, regarding the merits of buying a ticket. He thought that he was funny and entertaining, we all thought that he was just a repetitive bore. Strangely enough, he had a Northampton accent. Preach from the pulpit, be it via a microphone, or a keyboard, its all the same. No further comment from me.  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 10, 2023, 06:59:47 am
Once again you are wrong. There was one driver, who regularly used to read out a little poem that he had composed, regarding the merits of buying a ticket. He thought that he was funny and entertaining, we all thought that he was just a repetitive bore. Strangely enough, he had a Northampton accent. Preach from the pulpit, be it via a microphone, or a keyboard, its all the same. No further comment from me.  ;D

I never said you couldn't say what you like, I said you were told what to announce. I never met the guy who read out poems as you say, but he definitely wasn't a Thameslink driver or he would have been well known, had the piss ripped out of him (or probably sacked). You sure it wasn't a guard? How far back are you going?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 10, 2023, 07:04:33 am
You cannot be too surprised at Saucy's post. Over the past few months you have tried to diminish the importance of Hoskins, a true blessing to this Club, Having suffered a set back to that egoistic enterprise you then embarked on an ill-fated effort in what appeared to be an effort to influence minds relating to our fortune and future progress in League One,. For somebody who was once a widely respected forum member it is time to consider your stance when posting.

Why do you repeatedly tell such lies. Can't you help yourself? While others have been concerned I have said and time and time again we'll be okay this season. As for Hoskins, I'm sorry I don't share your infatuation for the man but that's up to me, I am entitled to my opinion, I don't particular want to share it in this matter so why you keep on dragging me back in I'll never know. 99% of supporters think the sun shines out of Hoskins arse. I don't. Live with it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 10, 2023, 07:58:31 am
I never said you couldn't say what you like, I said you were told what to announce. I never met the guy who read out poems as you say, but he definitely wasn't a Thameslink driver or he would have been well known, had the piss ripped out of him (or probably sacked). You sure it wasn't a guard? How far back are you going?
It was a Thameslink train, and as you operated DOO trains, he was not a guard, or an onboard supervisor as they now like to be called.
With regard to the train, it was one of the new 700 series, the ones that make that funny, whooshing sound when they pull away, the ones that they painted in rainbow colours for the pride weekend. The ones with very narrow, very hard seats, and no leg room.  The ones with the very nice information boards, that can somehow tell you that there is more room in the next carriage. The ones that you can walk the full length of, if you should choose to do so. The ones where they keep the air conditioning on in winter. The ones where you have to raise the pantograph at Thameslink station, or the ones that the driver had a major problem with opening the doors at Blackfriars Station, thus resulting in a back up of further trains. (nice view though)
So in answer to your point, YES he was a Thameslink driver, and Im going back about four years.
Personally I blame the instructors.
Rant over, lots of love fattie. xx  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 10, 2023, 08:28:32 am
It was a Thameslink train, and as you operated DOO trains, he was not a guard, or an onboard supervisor as they now like to be called.
With regard to the train, it was one of the new 700 series, the ones that make that funny, whooshing sound when they pull away, the ones that they painted in rainbow colours for the pride weekend. The ones with very narrow, very hard seats, and no leg room.  The ones with the very nice information boards, that can somehow tell you that there is more room in the next carriage. The ones that you can walk the full length of, if you should choose to do so. The ones where they keep the air conditioning on in winter. The ones where you have to raise the pantograph at Thameslink station, or the ones that the driver had a major problem with opening the doors at Blackfriars Station, thus resulting in a back up of further trains. (nice view though)
So in answer to your point, YES he was a Thameslink driver, and Im going back about four years.
Personally I blame the instructors.
Rant over, lots of love fattie. xx  ;D

That explains it. I retired over 7 years ago. There were big changes after I left. New Routes (Cambridge for one) and new stopping patterns.

Love talking to you, your childish insults take me straight back to infant school. I also wear glasses now for reading and a hearing aid. Do you want to call me "four-eyes" or "plug", just to change things round a bit?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 10, 2023, 08:29:41 am
One bit that I forgot, the train that comes to a grinding halt, should lightning strike a nearby offshore wind farm, and cause a power surge, and a resultant halt in all services, whilst waiting for some spotty faced brat, to turn up with his laptop, and reboot the service. Still, you were given the option of abandon train via the drivers cab, cos the GPS did not recognise the location, and would not allow the doors to be opened. Nice stroll down the track though.
Have a nice day.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 10, 2023, 08:39:00 am
That explains it. I retired over 7 years ago. There were big changes after I left.
Wow. Anything else that you were responsible for?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on September 10, 2023, 08:39:31 am
Super Sam will score some relevant goals this season, and we’ll end up mid table. Some of the other forward player will hopefully score some more relevant goals as well 😏


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 10, 2023, 09:21:39 am
Wow. Anything else that you were responsible for?

The changes were nothing to do with me leaving. Thameslink went from Bedford to Brighton, Bedford to Sevenoaks and the Sutton-Wimbledon loop while I was there. I believe they go to far more destinations now, though I'm not sure of them all as I don't keep up with things, the railway was always my job, not my interest.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobbler151 on September 10, 2023, 11:25:12 am
1) Yes I am questioning whether he is lying, though I'd guess he would see it as putting the best light on it.

2) I've got nothing wrong in regards Hoskins. He's been here for 8 years and for the first 6 of them he was stealing a living. He came good (at last) in 2022/3 and hopefully he'll continue to come good for the remainder of this season but if I'd been betting on a horse for 8 years and he only won his first race in the seventh of those, I wouldn't be gloating about what a good bet I'd made.

Now that is my opinion, I'm entitled to it and I'm not changing my mind, at least not yet. (another 20 goals this season and I might have to) I realise most of you don't agree with me and that's fine, you are entitled to your opinions as well. Now I don't want to go over old ground again so why not just let it lie instead of trying to find offence where there isn't any. You are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours, particularly as I'm not trying to so how about we stop wasting each others time?

I think stealing a living is a little bit harsh....under Wilder he was a squad player and still developing.

He then played in league 1 and under a terrible run of managers in Page, Edinburgh(RIP, but it didn't work for him here) JFH and Dean Austin and was played in a number of positions.

Things got bit better under Curle, but his style of play didn't suit him.

Under Brady, when he's being played in a regular position, beginning coached properly and is now putting together his experience, and he's getting the results.

I think from 2018-21 he averaged a total of about ten goal/goal contributions, before scoring 13 in  then 21/22, then last season hit the heights.

His attitude as never be questioned and every manager has picked him/kept him on, which I think speaks volumes.

Like you say, everyone has their opinions, which is of course what makes this forum so much fun.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 10, 2023, 11:32:09 am
I think stealing a living is a little bit harsh....under Wilder he was a squad player and still developing.

He then played in league 1 and under a terrible run of managers in Page, Edinburgh(RIP, but it didn't work for him here) JFH and Dean Austin and was played in a number of positions.

Things got bit better under Curle, but his style of play didn't suit him.

Under Brady, when he's being played on a regular position, beginning coached probably and is now putting together his experience, he's getting the results.

I think from 2018-21 he averaged a total of about ten goal/goal contributions, before scoring 13 in  then 21/22, then last season.

His attitude as never be questioned and every manager has picked him/kept him on, which I think speaks volumes.

Like you say, everyone has their opinions, which is of course what makes this forum so much fun.


What a civil, considered, measured response. There's a lot on here could learn a lot from you. Thanks.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: bungle on September 10, 2023, 15:16:42 pm
for the first 6 of them he was stealing a living.

That is, by some distance, the most ridiculous thing you've ever said on here (and there's quite a lot of competition).

Hoskins' work rate has always been beyond question.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on September 10, 2023, 15:24:53 pm
Don't feed the troll


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 10, 2023, 15:26:09 pm
That is, by some distance, the most ridiculous thing you've ever said on here (and there's quite a lot of competition).

Hoskins' work rate has always been beyond question.

Who said anything about workrate? Give me strength, you people put your own interpretation on anything.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 10, 2023, 17:08:36 pm
Why do you repeatedly tell such lies. Can't you help yourself? While others have been concerned I have said and time and time again we'll be okay this season. As for Hoskins, I'm sorry I don't share your infatuation for the man but that's up to me, I am entitled to my opinion, I don't particular want to share it in this matter so why you keep on dragging me back in I'll never know. 99% of supporters think the sun shines out of Hoskins arse. I don't. Live with it.

Whether you like it or not no lies where involved. It just opinions. As is Saucy, 151, Bungle and other opinion.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 10, 2023, 18:11:38 pm
Whether you like it or not no lies where involved. It just opinions. As is Saucy, 151, Bungle and other opinion.

You claimed I said we'd be in trouble this season. That was a lie.

Bungle claimed I said Hoskins wasn't hard working. That was a lie.

Why when 99% of the support agrees with you, you can still not tolerate one person who doesn't share your opinion. Shame on you.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 10, 2023, 19:19:38 pm
Bungle said "Hoskins work rate has never been in question" which is his opinion and will be agreed with by most supporters. As I read his post I don't see anywhere that he said you were in disagreement Marvo, I think you are misreading his post.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 10, 2023, 19:27:12 pm
Bungle said "Hoskins work rate has never been in question" which is his opinion and will be agreed with by most supporters. As I read his post I don't see anywhere that he said you were in disagreement Marvo, I think you are misreading his post.

It's my opinion as well, that's why I object to him quoting me as if I disagreed. Once again something I never said.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on September 10, 2023, 19:29:51 pm
Why has this thread turned into the marvo show? It's meant to be about Super Sam's Rise, stop responding to his clumsy attempts at provocation and he might desist................ Hopefully  ::)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 10, 2023, 22:47:59 pm
Bit of a pointless debate really. After Wilder every single manager we have had has picked Sam for every single game of note he’s been available for without exception. Bear in mind this is not a player they have brought in and between them they have decades of experience in the game, so right there that tells you everything you need to know. If he was stealing a living there is no way on gods earth that would have happened. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you do give it then you must also accept people are also entitled to call it out as bóllocks if that’s their opinion. And that comment was, sorry.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 11, 2023, 05:43:08 am
Bit of a pointless debate really. After Wilder every single manager we have had has picked Sam for every single game of note he’s been available for without exception. Bear in mind this is not a player they have brought in and between them they have decades of experience in the game, so right there that tells you everything you need to know. If he was stealing a living there is no way on gods earth that would have happened. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you do give it then you must also accept people are also entitled to call it out as bóllocks if that’s their opinion. And that comment was, sorry.

No idea to apologise. The majority of People thought Pythagoras, Aristotle, Eratosthenes and Galileo were all talking bollocks when they said the world was round.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Risdene on September 11, 2023, 07:23:16 am
Who did they play for???


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on September 11, 2023, 08:48:12 am
No idea to apologise. The majority of People thought Pythagoras, Aristotle, Eratosthenes and Galileo were all talking bollocks when they said the world was round.
To be fair, think Pythagoras claimed the World was an isoscleles triangle!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on September 11, 2023, 09:03:15 am
This thread only descends into petty bickering because Marvo doesn’t bestow Super Sammy with legendary status like the majority.
Surely we all see players in different ways. E.g. Dave Savage got plenty of stick and yet was one of my favourite players to watch. Meanwhile I thought David Seal was one of the most sulky, lazy, overrated players to wear the shirt but for some reason the majority liked him.
We all see things differently.
Trollope was another, Hargreaves another….and of course Bayo….people just had differing views.
Marvo is just better at pushing the buttons.  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 11, 2023, 09:14:44 am
it's the equivalent of picking someone on a sunday morning because "he turns up every week and collects the subs"


 ;D



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 11, 2023, 09:24:41 am
No idea to apologise. The majority of People thought Pythagoras, Aristotle, Eratosthenes and Galileo were all talking bollocks when they said the world was round.
But given that the experts are the ones endorsing Sam, doesn’t that make you one of the ones sceptical of those that are clearly infinitely more qualified to judge? In your post you seem to claim it’s the other way around, but I’d say you were more Koalemos. 😉


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: rebelspawn on September 11, 2023, 11:07:09 am
Who said anything about workrate? Give me strength, you people put your own interpretation on anything.

I am hesitant to speak for others but I think the issue here is that in most peoples minds, if Hoskins was ever present in the starting 11 (under various managers) and his work rate is not in question, then he could not have possibly been 'Stealing a living' for the first 6 years as you put it.

It seems that you have different set of parameters and conditions for what qualifies as 'stealing a living'. The word 'stealing' in itself does imply some kind of nefarious intent on the part of the player.

I like a lot of what of you post Marvo and you and Mysterious both get a lot of stick simply for pointing out anything that is not overly positive. I can normally see where both of you are coming from though, even If I don't completely agree. But in this case even I was shocked the extent of your criticism.

Maybe it would help if you listed the paramaters and variables you consider when determining if players are 'stealing a living'?



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 11, 2023, 11:20:27 am
This thread only descends into petty bickering because Marvo doesn’t bestow Super Sammy with legendary status like the majority.
Surely we all see players in different ways. E.g. Dave Savage got plenty of stick and yet was one of my favourite players to watch. Meanwhile I thought David Seal was one of the most sulky, lazy, overrated players to wear the shirt but for some reason the majority liked him.
We all see things differently.
Trollope was another, Hargreaves another….and of course Bayo….people just had differing views.
Marvo is just better at pushing the buttons.  ;D

To be honest I agreed with a lot of the opinion provided by Marvo regarding Sammy, at an early stage in this thread, but I didn't or haven't attracted the adverse reaction from 'the majority'?
Maybe some people view others on their previous reputation and not necessarily their actual content?

If I'm having a conversation with others with differing views in a pub, I state my opinion, allow/encourage them to discuss/state theirs.  When it comes to a natural conclusion, I then go to the bar for another pint and find another conversation/discussion to join in with.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on September 11, 2023, 11:24:41 am
I am hesitant to speak for others but I think the issue here is that in most peoples minds, if Hoskins was ever present in the starting 11 (under various managers) and his work rate is not in question, then he could not have possibly been 'Stealing a living' for the first 6 years as you put it.

It seems that you have different set of parameters and conditions for what qualifies as 'stealing a living'. The word 'stealing' in itself does imply some kind of nefarious intent on the part of the player.

I like a lot of what of you post Marvo and you and Mysterious both get a lot of stick simply for pointing out anything that is not overly positive. I can normally see where both of you are coming from though, even If I don't completely agree. But in this case even I was shocked the extent of your criticism.

Maybe it would help if you listed the paramaters and variables you consider when determining if players are 'stealing a living'



For your benchmark would you say Hylton is ‘stealing a living’ or would you deem it a charitable donation?  


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on September 11, 2023, 11:31:43 am
To be honest I agreed with a lot of the opinion provided by Marvo regarding Sammy, at an early stage in this thread, but I didn't or haven't attracted the adverse reaction from 'the majority'?
Maybe some people view others on their previous reputation and not necessarily their actual content?

If I'm having a conversation with others with differing views in a pub, I state my opinion, allow/encourage them to discuss/state theirs.  When it comes to a natural conclusion, I then go to the bar for another pint and find another conversation/discussion to join in with.

Me too. Overall if he was a world beater he wouldn’t play for us. I admire his length of service, his injury record and definitely his current form. Sometimes we all go so far down a path to make it difficult to publicly change opinions, then egos etc get in the way.

Hoskins is probably the best example I can think of for that. When the (mainly females) were fangirling over him, he was no where near our best player. I think he is now.

I’m glad it’s your round.  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: rebelspawn on September 11, 2023, 11:38:52 am
For your benchmark would you say Hylton is ‘stealing a living’ or would you deem it a charitable donation?  

I don't know all the details, obviously. But he would be far better candidate for the label of 'stealing' in my onion.

He seems more interested in following Luton than he does about being an NTFC player, again in my opinion



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on September 11, 2023, 12:01:40 pm
To be honest I agreed with a lot of the opinion provided by Marvo regarding Sammy, at an early stage in this thread, but I didn't or haven't attracted the adverse reaction from 'the majority'?
Maybe some people view others on their previous reputation and not necessarily their actual content?

If I'm having a conversation with others with differing views in a pub, I state my opinion, allow/encourage them to discuss/state theirs.  When it comes to a natural conclusion, I then go to the bar for another pint and find another conversation/discussion to join in with.
If only that would happen regarding Hoskins  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 11, 2023, 12:35:22 pm
To be honest I agreed with a lot of the opinion provided by Marvo regarding Sammy, at an early stage in this thread, but I didn't or haven't attracted the adverse reaction from 'the majority'?
Maybe some people view others on their previous reputation and not necessarily their actual content?

If I'm having a conversation with others with differing views in a pub, I state my opinion, allow/encourage them to discuss/state theirs.  When it comes to a natural conclusion, I then go to the bar for another pint and find another conversation/discussion to join in with.

And if I've been in conversation with the pub idiot, I get to the bar a bit quicker and remind myself not to be in their vicinity the next time I'm in the pub.  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DrillingCobbler on September 11, 2023, 12:41:26 pm
Back in the day when Page was manager, I recall him arguably being our best player at the time then.

From memory, he got injured just before the MK Dons away game that season (which we lost 5-3). An injury which ruled him out for the remainder of that season, I think.

Since Wilder left, he's always been one of our better players. Which is probably why he's always been picked!

You then add his work rate to the pot and his defensive contributions, especially when out of possession and it provides more evidence as to why he's often been under-appreciated. Yep, my opinion and all that!

I could also see several seasons ago the potential of him scoring 20 in a season and got a battering when I suggested it at the time!  ;D

I can understand why Marvo and many others up until recent times didn't share my opinion because his finishing was wayward (being kind) and he often fluffed opportunities in the final third when afforded the time and space to do much better. His decision making was VERY poor for a long period of time.

However. What I noted at the time was that when he didn't have too think about it, his finishing was terrific. The problems always seemed to be when he did have time and space.

At some point about 3 years ago (when he was put on penalty duty ironically) things started too click. I suspect one of our previous managers (I am gonna guess it was Curle) got inside his head or at least got him working with a sports psychologist or someone of similar ilk. A while back Brady said he was the best finisher at the club and most people thought hmmmm.

No doubt if that had happened 3 years previously, he would have been long gone. Its frightening to think how many goals he would score if we just stuck him up front and gave him a free role. I've been thinking for a few weeks now that that might just be what we need to do. Especially given we are so lacking in terms of options (especially off of the bench) in the forward department. Yeah we will lose a bit of defensive work rate but at the same time he can press opposition defenders better than any other player we have so we would gain as much as we lose.





Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 11, 2023, 13:04:34 pm
I don't know all the details, obviously. But he would be far better candidate for the label of 'stealing' in my onion.

He seems more interested in following Luton than he does about being an NTFC player, again in my opinion



A Danny Hylton has joined a Car Club I know of. As for stealing a living it’s a bit subjective. On the other hand if he has had surgery then that may take time to recover. Also it is a bit OTT for some on here to accuse him of stealing a living ignoring his injury and fitness levels to label him as such! He’s one of God’s children so will bare with him  :o


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on September 11, 2023, 13:15:29 pm
Stealing a living…purely a phrase to suggest you are not really contributing to what you are paid to do.
Don’t deep it.  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 11, 2023, 13:24:27 pm
And if I've been in conversation with the pub idiot, I get to the bar a bit quicker and remind myself not to be in their vicinity the next time I'm in the pub.  ;)
Youve met Gordon then? The one who raves about crop circles, and still points at planes! ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 11, 2023, 13:27:19 pm
Youve met Gordon then? The one who raves about crop circles, and still points at planes! ;D

I've met quite a few 'Gordons' over the years... normally I engage with them in conversation just the once  :)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on September 11, 2023, 13:29:22 pm
Back in the day when Page was manager, I recall him arguably being our best player at the time then.

From memory, he got injured just before the MK Dons away game that season (which we lost 5-3). An injury which ruled him out for the remainder of that season, I think.

Since Wilder left, he's always been one of our better players. Which is probably why he's always been picked!

You then add his work rate to the pot and his defensive contributions, especially when out of possession and it provides more evidence as to why he's often been under-appreciated. Yep, my opinion and all that!

I could also see several seasons ago the potential of him scoring 20 in a season and got a battering when I suggested it at the time!  ;D

I can understand why Marvo and many others up until recent times didn't share my opinion because his finishing was wayward (being kind) and he often fluffed opportunities in the final third when afforded the time and space to do much better. His decision making was VERY poor for a long period of time.

However. What I noted at the time was that when he didn't have too think about it, his finishing was terrific. The problems always seemed to be when he did have time and space.

At some point about 3 years ago (when he was put on penalty duty ironically) things started too click. I suspect one of our previous managers (I am gonna guess it was Curle) got inside his head or at least got him working with a sports psychologist or someone of similar ilk. A while back Brady said he was the best finisher at the club and most people thought hmmmm.

No doubt if that had happened 3 years previously, he would have been long gone. Its frightening to think how many goals he would score if we just stuck him up front and gave him a free role. I've been thinking for a few weeks now that that might just be what we need to do. Especially given we are so lacking in terms of options (especially off of the bench) in the forward department. Yeah we will lose a bit of defensive work rate but at the same time he can press opposition defenders better than any other player we have so we would gain as much as we lose.




A lot of this is actually my opinion of Appere, especially the bit about fluffing his chances when having time to think.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 11, 2023, 13:31:16 pm
I've met quite a few 'Gordons' over the years... normally I engage with them in conversation just the once  :)
This ones from Barton/Cartons neck of the woods. Which could explain a lot..  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on September 11, 2023, 13:38:01 pm
A lot of this is actually my opinion of Appere, especially the bit about fluffing his chances when having time to think.


Surely lucky charms don’t fluff chances 😀


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on September 11, 2023, 14:10:12 pm
On that thinking Appere should turn into a 20 goal a season like Sammy.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 11, 2023, 14:39:21 pm
I am hesitant to speak for others but I think the issue here is that in most peoples minds, if Hoskins was ever present in the starting 11 (under various managers) and his work rate is not in question, then he could not have possibly been 'Stealing a living' for the first 6 years as you put it.

It seems that you have different set of parameters and conditions for what qualifies as 'stealing a living'. The word 'stealing' in itself does imply some kind of nefarious intent on the part of the player.

I like a lot of what of you post Marvo and you and Mysterious both get a lot of stick simply for pointing out anything that is not overly positive. I can normally see where both of you are coming from though, even If I don't completely agree. But in this case even I was shocked the extent of your criticism.

Maybe it would help if you listed the paramaters and variables you consider when determining if players are 'stealing a living'?



I'll try. Say I got a job as a doctor. No medical qualifications but I turned up on time, stayed later than anyone else and saw more patients than all the other doctors at the surgery, even though my advice was diddly squat. Now nobody could say I wasn't working hard or giving everything I could in the performance of the job. I would though, be stealing a living (as a doctor).

My view on Hoskins is that he has been for his first six seasons pretty much Mr Average. So much so supporters couldn't even define what his best position was at the club.  Last year he suddenly produced the goods (one year in 7) and has started this season in similar fashion which hopefully will continue. Good luck to the lad. However one good year in 7 (possibly 2 in 8) doesn't cut it for me to give him legendary status. When I think of some of the players we've had more deserving of that accolade. However, it doesn't really matter for you see one day Hoskins will be gone and once you add a decade or more to that he'll be thought of less and less. Think about it, how often to you hear about Cliff Holton on here? Most people that saw him are dead. People who witnessed the Cobblers rise up the divisions are all collecting their pensions if they are not already pushing up daises. It wont be long before the supporters who saw Graham Carr's championship side nearly 40 years ago will be few and far between and once those people have gone then names live Morley, Hill and Benjamin will be just that, names. Think about the guy who started this thread, he says things like "Hoskins has now overtaken Edwin Lloyd-Davies in appearances and will soon surpass William Watson." Well who are they other than names, nobody remembers them, nobody saw them play, nobody knows how good they were. It's all pretty meaningless.

Anyway I'll make you a deal. You stop mentioning me and I'll stop mentioning Hoskins. You can all put a stop to this right now. I hope you do. I bet you don't. Let's see who is the first to succumb to temptation.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on September 11, 2023, 14:44:09 pm
I'll try. Say I got a job as a doctor. No medical qualifications but I turned up on time, stayed later than anyone else and saw more patients than all the other doctors at the surgery, even though my advice was diddly squat. Now nobody could say I wasn't working hard or giving everything I could in the performance of the job. I would though, be stealing a living (as a doctor).

My view on Hoskins is that he has been for his first six seasons pretty much Mr Average. So much so supporters couldn't even define what his best position was at the club.  Last year he suddenly produced the goods (one year in 7) and has started this season in similar fashion which hopefully will continue. Good luck to the lad. However one good year in 7 (possibly 2 in 8) doesn't cut it for me to give him legendary status. When I think of some of the players we've had more deserving of that accolade. However, it doesn't really matter for you see one day Hoskins will be gone and once you add a decade or more to that he'll be thought of less and less. Think about it, how often to you hear about Cliff Holton on here? Most people that saw him are dead. People who witnessed the Cobblers rise up the divisions are all collecting their pensions if they are not already pushing up daises. It wont be long before the supporters who saw Graham Carr's championship side nearly 40 years ago will be few and far between and once those people have gone then names live Morley, Hill and Benjamin will be just that, names. Think about the guy who started this thread, he says things like "Hoskins has now overtaken Edwin Lloyd-Davies in appearances and will soon surpass William Watson." Well who are they other than names, nobody remembers them, nobody saw them play, nobody knows how good they were. It's all pretty meaningless.

Anyway I'll make you a deal. You stop mentioning me and I'll stop mentioning Hoskins. You can all put a stop to this right now. I hope you do. I bet you don't. Let's see who is the first to succumb to temptation.
What a daft analogy, you wouldn't get a job as a doctor without qualifications. Sammy actually is a professional footballer


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 11, 2023, 14:46:27 pm
What a daft analogy, you wouldn't get a job as a doctor without qualifications. Sammy actually is a professional footballer

Well that didn't last long. How about a bus driver?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on September 11, 2023, 15:13:59 pm
Well that didn't last long. How about a bus driver?
Nope. Try sales, I've been nicking a living for 40 years without qualifications  :)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 11, 2023, 15:42:52 pm
I'll try. Say I got a job as a doctor. No medical qualifications but I turned up on time, stayed later than anyone else and saw more patients than all the other doctors at the surgery, even though my advice was diddly squat. Now nobody could say I wasn't working hard or giving everything I could in the performance of the job. I would though, be stealing a living (as a doctor).

My view on Hoskins is that he has been for his first six seasons pretty much Mr Average. So much so supporters couldn't even define what his best position was at the club.  Last year he suddenly produced the goods (one year in 7) and has started this season in similar fashion which hopefully will continue. Good luck to the lad. However one good year in 7 (possibly 2 in 8) doesn't cut it for me to give him legendary status. When I think of some of the players we've had more deserving of that accolade. However, it doesn't really matter for you see one day Hoskins will be gone and once you add a decade or more to that he'll be thought of less and less. Think about it, how often to you hear about Cliff Holton on here? Most people that saw him are dead. People who witnessed the Cobblers rise up the divisions are all collecting their pensions if they are not already pushing up daises. It wont be long before the supporters who saw Graham Carr's championship side nearly 40 years ago will be few and far between and once those people have gone then names live Morley, Hill and Benjamin will be just that, names. Think about the guy who started this thread, he says things like "Hoskins has now overtaken Edwin Lloyd-Davies in appearances and will soon surpass William Watson." Well who are they other than names, nobody remembers them, nobody saw them play, nobody knows how good they were. It's all pretty meaningless.

Anyway I'll make you a deal. You stop mentioning me and I'll stop mentioning Hoskins. You can all put a stop to this right now. I hope you do. I bet you don't. Let's see who is the first to succumb to temptation.

You have a way with words Marvo - by the way people who say Holton, play I sit close to them and some are on Jimbo's coach.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 11, 2023, 16:28:15 pm
You have a way with words Marvo - by the way people who say Holton, play I sit close to them and some are on Jimbo's coach.

I did say "most" Everbrite.

I'd have loved to have seen him. His shot was supposed to be like a rocket.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: rebelspawn on September 11, 2023, 16:45:24 pm
I'll try. Say I got a job as a doctor. No medical qualifications but I turned up on time, stayed later than anyone else and saw more patients than all the other doctors at the surgery, even though my advice was diddly squat. Now nobody could say I wasn't working hard or giving everything I could in the performance of the job. I would though, be stealing a living (as a doctor).

My view on Hoskins is that he has been for his first six seasons pretty much Mr Average. So much so supporters couldn't even define what his best position was at the club.  Last year he suddenly produced the goods (one year in 7) and has started this season in similar fashion which hopefully will continue. Good luck to the lad. However one good year in 7 (possibly 2 in 8) doesn't cut it for me to give him legendary status. When I think of some of the players we've had more deserving of that accolade. However, it doesn't really matter for you see one day Hoskins will be gone and once you add a decade or more to that he'll be thought of less and less. Think about it, how often to you hear about Cliff Holton on here? Most people that saw him are dead. People who witnessed the Cobblers rise up the divisions are all collecting their pensions if they are not already pushing up daises. It wont be long before the supporters who saw Graham Carr's championship side nearly 40 years ago will be few and far between and once those people have gone then names live Morley, Hill and Benjamin will be just that, names. Think about the guy who started this thread, he says things like "Hoskins has now overtaken Edwin Lloyd-Davies in appearances and will soon surpass William Watson." Well who are they other than names, nobody remembers them, nobody saw them play, nobody knows how good they were. It's all pretty meaningless.

Anyway I'll make you a deal. You stop mentioning me and I'll stop mentioning Hoskins. You can all put a stop to this right now. I hope you do. I bet you don't. Let's see who is the first to succumb to temptation.

First paragraph - so for you the emphasis is on his quality and ability to do the job, which you say was not there in your opinion in the first six years. I would argue that several professional football managers continuing to pick him throughout those 6 years would suggest the quality was there (relative to others at least), but okay I understand your logic.

Second paragraph - Being 'Mr Average' in squad of lower league footballers does not equate to stealing a living for me. Does that mean that you think half of squad in each of the last 6 seasons were all stealing a living? The rest of your paragraph is a huge tangent that doesn't relate to anything I said in my post. We were not talking about his legacy or how many decades he will be remembered. We were talking about his last 8 years at the club.

Third paragraph - I see no need for such a deal. I think this is the first time I have mentioned you actually


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 11, 2023, 17:31:45 pm
First paragraph - so for you the emphasis is on his quality and ability to do the job, which you say was not there in your opinion in the first six years. I would argue that several professional football managers continuing to pick him throughout those 6 years would suggest the quality was there (relative to others at least), but okay I understand your logic.

Second paragraph - Being 'Mr Average' in squad of lower league footballers does not equate to stealing a living for me. Does that mean that you think half of squad in each of the last 6 seasons were all stealing a living? The rest of your paragraph is a huge tangent that doesn't relate to anything I said in my post. We were not talking about his legacy or how many decades he will be remembered. We were talking about his last 8 years at the club.

Third paragraph - I see no need for such a deal. I think this is the first time I have mentioned you actually

No 1) Of the 7 managers that selected Hoskins in that 6 year period, 6 were sacked and Wilder used him as a bit player. Hardly a glowing recommendation.

No 2) Stealing a living was maybe too strong, I take that back. Lets go with Jack of all trades, master of none.

No 3) Although that was in response to your quoted post, it wasn't actually aimed at you, more in the direction of the general throng. Apologies for any offence.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Peter Frost on September 11, 2023, 17:50:04 pm

No 2) Stealing a living was maybe too strong, I take that back. Lets go with Jack of all trades, master of none.
 

Maybe too strong? - saying someone is stealing a living is basically saying they are cheating both the club and the fans - it’s not just too strong it’s deeply offensive to a player who always gives 100% and if I was Hoskins I would not accept an apology that has the word “maybe“ in it .


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 11, 2023, 18:32:30 pm
Maybe too strong? - saying someone is stealing a living is basically saying they are cheating both the club and the fans - it’s not just too strong it’s deeply offensive to a player who always gives 100% and if I was Hoskins I would not accept an apology that has the word “maybe“ in it .

Wasn't an apology and wasn't directed at Hoskins. I would like to think that with 99% of fans fawning over him, worshipping him at his feet, he wont be too concerned about the 1% dissent. Couldn't care less if he does.

By the way, EVERY player should give 100%, its what they are being paid for. It shouldn't be looked as a bonus when a player does.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gustavo Palcrice on September 11, 2023, 21:34:15 pm
What a daft analogy, you wouldn't get a job as a doctor without qualifications. Sammy actually is a professional footballer

Frank Abagnale did.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 11, 2023, 21:56:31 pm
First paragraph - so for you the emphasis is on his quality and ability to do the job, which you say was not there in your opinion in the first six years. I would argue that several professional football managers continuing to pick him throughout those 6 years would suggest the quality was there (relative to others at least), but okay I understand your logic.

Second paragraph - Being 'Mr Average' in squad of lower league footballers does not equate to stealing a living for me. Does that mean that you think half of squad in each of the last 6 seasons were all stealing a living? The rest of your paragraph is a huge tangent that doesn't relate to anything I said in my post. We were not talking about his legacy or how many decades he will be remembered. We were talking about his last 8 years at the club.

Third paragraph - I see no need for such a deal. I think this is the first time I have mentioned you actually

Maybe it is better to follow this advice  '
'Don't feed the troll'


Otherwise the conversation with Marvo could go on infinitum or follow your advice you gave to me 8), which ever is easier.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 11, 2023, 23:09:46 pm
No 1) Of the 7 managers that selected Hoskins in that 6 year period, 6 were sacked and Wilder used him as a bit player. Hardly a glowing recommendation.

No 2) Stealing a living was maybe too strong, I take that back. Lets go with Jack of all trades, master of none.

No 3) Although that was in response to your quoted post, it wasn't actually aimed at you, more in the direction of the general throng. Apologies for any offence.
You do talk some absolute gobbledygook, you’d be hard pushed to count on less than 2 hands the managers in the entire professional football pyramid who haven’t been sacked at least once. Managers who have been sacked include Alex Ferguson and Brian Clough, both prior to going on to be 2 of the most successful managers in history. What sort of qualifying statement is that? In fairness to you I don’t think it’s the content, more the method of delivery peppered with ridiculous analogies, nonsensical justifications and back handed insults that seems to rile.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 12, 2023, 05:05:34 am
You do talk some absolute gobbledygook, you’d be hard pushed to count on less than 2 hands the managers in the entire professional football pyramid who haven’t been sacked at least once. Managers who have been sacked include Alex Ferguson and Brian Clough, both prior to going on to be 2 of the most successful managers in history. What sort of qualifying statement is that? In fairness to you I don’t think it’s the content, more the method of delivery peppered with ridiculous analogies, nonsensical justifications and back handed insults that seems to rile.

The difference is those managers were sacked WHILE selecting Hoskins. Who knows if that would have been the case had they replaced him with a better player, may have made all the difference, we'll never know? Doctor was a poor choice for the latest analogy, so many more different occupations would have fitted the bill better, didn't give it much thought, extremely busy with my golf at the moment but I'm sure people caught my drift.

I rile people? You're joking. I never realised.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Mysterious Curle on September 12, 2023, 05:38:02 am
Should we lock this thread as Sam has now risen?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 12, 2023, 06:03:48 am
Should we lock this thread as Sam has now risen?

Good idea. We all know what comes after a rise.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 12, 2023, 06:31:20 am
Good idea. We all know what comes after a rise.

A statue...?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 12, 2023, 06:35:08 am
Well that didn't last long.

I don't think that was due to you asking for others to stop mentioning you. It was down to the incredibly poor analogy  ;D ;D You can't be a bus driver without qualifications either. You're going to have to work harder on this particular analogy...  ;D :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 12, 2023, 06:39:01 am
I doubt I'm going to contribute anything of value to this "debate". But, for what it's worth, Sammy was pretty much useless until a couple of seasons ago. Once he turned the corner, I fell in love with him.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on September 12, 2023, 07:09:38 am
Good idea. We all know what comes after a rise.

For me it’s normally a happy ending. Let’s hope so.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on September 12, 2023, 07:51:06 am
I doubt I'm going to contribute anything of value to this "debate". But, for what it's worth, Sammy was pretty much useless until a couple of seasons ago. Once he turned the corner, I fell in love with him.

That’s Marvo’s main gripe, he wouldn’t ‘get away’ with that comment.  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 12, 2023, 11:29:41 am
I did say "most" Everbrite.

I'd have loved to have seen him. His shot was supposed to be like a rocket.

My Dad always bangs on about Cliff Holton. Hardest shot he's ever seen, didn't always do a lot in games but scored goals. Whenever we are short of goals, he will always say do with a Cliff Holton!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 12, 2023, 13:42:11 pm
That’s Marvo’s main gripe, he wouldn’t ‘get away’ with that comment.  ;D

 ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on September 12, 2023, 16:11:53 pm
I wonder how many goals Super Sam will score this season?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 12, 2023, 16:26:40 pm
The difference is those managers were sacked WHILE selecting Hoskins. Who knows if that would have been the case had they replaced him with a better player, may have made all the difference, we'll never know? Doctor was a poor choice for the latest analogy, so many more different occupations would have fitted the bill better, didn't give it much thought, extremely busy with my golf at the moment but I'm sure people caught my drift.

I rile people? You're joking. I never realised.
🤣 I like you mate you’re bonkers, this forum needs characters like you. By the way, if you’re still putting yourself under pressure to Par holes your handicap says you should I’ll bet you’re busy with it. Singularly the worst piece of golf advice I’ve ever heard, and I’m not joking.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on September 12, 2023, 20:10:35 pm
I wonder how many goals Super Sam will score this season?

10-12 I hope any more is a bonus


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on September 13, 2023, 07:00:37 am
I think 15 is a realistic target for this season


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on September 14, 2023, 10:58:03 am
I think 15 is a realistic target for this season

Having dwelt on this for a few hours, have estimated at least 17 goals from League 1 and FA Cup only. What do you think chaps?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3587 on September 14, 2023, 11:20:34 am
The more, the merrier  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on September 14, 2023, 12:16:44 pm
Having dwelt on this for a few hours, have estimated at least 17 goals from League 1 and FA Cup only. What do you think chaps?
I’m going for 12 Evers old chum but hoping for many more.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 30, 2023, 20:43:10 pm
Level with Roly Mills league apps =8th
Level with Don Martin league goals =12th
Level with Fred Lessons overall goals =11th


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on September 30, 2023, 21:50:28 pm
Who'd have thought it when he came on trial all those years ago


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 04, 2023, 04:59:18 am
Level with BAYO league goals =11th


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 24, 2023, 22:01:57 pm
not quite sure where ntfc are getting there stats from, but if it's the grande old book like me, there is some adding up to do between southern league and football league appearances. I've double checked it a lot. Yes, don't mention how sad I am. But due to my calculations, (and yes I include the charity shield)

Hoskins is now level 5th overall appearances with Joe Kiernan and Billy Watson, not 7th?

And he is stand alone in 10th overall goals overtaking Don Martin.

Overtaken Kiernan in league appearances.
Overtaken Tommy Wells in league goals.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on October 25, 2023, 10:43:04 am
He could well pass Tommy Fowler for goals scored this season, although I don’t think he’ll catch him on appearances.
Unless some proper oldies remember Jack English, he could well end up scoring more goals than anyone alive today will have seen from a single player. 14 to pass Frank Large and then we’re going way, way back.
That first goal wouldn’t have gone in for him a couple of seasons ago.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on October 25, 2023, 10:56:26 am
He could well pass Tommy Fowler for goals scored this season, although I don’t think he’ll catch him on appearances.
Unless some proper oldies remember Jack English, he could well end up scoring more goals than anyone alive today will have seen from a single player. 14 to pass Frank Large and then we’re going way, way back.
That first goal wouldn’t have gone in for him a couple of seasons ago.

Saw Jack English play when a very young man! Quick and direct. Alan Woan was good and scored a few! Saw Tommy Fowler play too, better than anything we have now unfortunately!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 11, 2023, 17:18:06 pm
Overtaken Lloyd Davies to move into 6th in league appearances. 14 away from top 5.
Joint 8th with Fred Lessons and Ralph Hoten with 75 league goals. 7 away from Albert Dawes.

Joint 8th with Ralph Hoten and Tommy Wells in overall goals. 4 away from Tommy Fowler.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2023, 07:12:11 am
Overtaken Lloyd Davies to move into 6th in league appearances. 14 away from top 5.
Joint 8th with Fred Lessons and Ralph Hoten with 75 league goals. 7 away from Albert Dawes.

Joint 8th with Ralph Hoten and Tommy Wells in overall goals. 4 away from Tommy Fowler.

Could you list the top ten in order please for both overall attendances, and goals scored?

Really enjoy reading your stats on this thread 606.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:31:56 am
Could you list the top ten in order please for both overall attendances, and goals scored?

Really enjoy reading your stats on this thread 606.

The pleasure really is all mine, as stated above, I believe a few of the ntfc stats on the website are mistaken.

Overall Appearances:

552 Tommy Fowler
449 Ian Sampson
412 Peter Gleasure
364 Edwin Freeman (including Charity Shield)
356 Sam Hoskins
352 Willie Watson
352 Joe Kiernan
331 Phil Chard
330 Lloyd Davies (including Charity Shield)
326 Len Hammond

Overall Goals:
143 Jack English
120 Ted Bowen
109 William Lockett
96 Frank Large
94 Albert Dawes
90 Albert Lewis
88 Tommy Fowler
84 Sam Hoskins
84 Ralph Hoten
84 Tommy Wells


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 12, 2023, 08:36:41 am
At some point I might have to start a McWilliams thread. Currently level with Jason Crowe, James Hunt, Steve Brown and as we all remember, Mr James Frost... with 205 overall appearances.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 12, 2023, 09:59:58 am
The pleasure really is all mine, as stated above, I believe a few of the ntfc stats on the website are mistaken.


I've no doubt you are right there, these "official" sites are not to be trusted. For example if you go on Soccerbase right now (I know a lot of you utilise that one) and look up Jon Brady it states he has been manager of the Cobblers for 127 games when in reality its 146.

I recall when the club made a big thing about Abdul Osman making his 100th appearance when he'd already surpassed that mark and they did the same with a former manager but I can't remember which one.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 12, 2023, 10:03:20 am
I've no doubt you are right there, these "official" sites are not to be trusted. For example if you go on Soccerbase right now (I know a lot of you utilise that one) and look up Jon Brady it states he has been manager of the Cobblers for 127 games when in reality its 146.

I recall when the club made a big thing about Abdul Osman making his 100th appearance when he'd already surpassed that mark and they did the same with a former manager but I can't remember which one.

They also get to the point where they design a chocolate and blue kit based on the perpetuation of a mistake, and don't admit it...but I won't get into that haha.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on November 12, 2023, 10:24:06 am
I think yesterday's goal was testament to how much Sam has improved over the last couple of years. He didn't snatch at the ball when it was too high to shoot accurately, but calmly waited for it to come down and found just enough space before pulling the trigger and all that despite having at least two defenders close by. He's become a real class act. Thankfully, he's now 30, otherwise there's no way we'd be able to hold on to him.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on November 12, 2023, 11:40:09 am
The pleasure really is all mine, as stated above, I believe a few of the ntfc stats on the website are mistaken.

Overall Appearances:

552 Tommy Fowler
449 Ian Sampson
412 Peter Gleasure
364 Edwin Freeman (including Charity Shield)
356 Sam Hoskins
352 Willie Watson
352 Joe Kiernan
331 Phil Chard
330 Lloyd Davies (including Charity Shield)
326 Len Hammond

Overall Goals:
143 Jack English
120 Ted Bowen
109 William Lockett
96 Frank Large
94 Albert Dawes
90 Albert Lewis
88 Tommy Fowler
84 Sam Hoskins
84 Ralph Hoten
84 Tommy Wells


Can’t you squeeze Cliff Holton in ?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 12, 2023, 11:57:31 am
Cliff Holton 50 goals in 62 appearances so although prolific nowhere near highest in either category.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Observing on November 12, 2023, 12:23:21 pm
Just another one impressed with Sammy Goals finish yesterday. Excellent work just before the goal and a pinpoint finish with his weaker foot. It took him a few years to get going but he’s a real player for us now.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 13, 2023, 11:17:19 am
I don't mind saying I have a man crush on Sammy these days. I love it when he scores a goal. His little face just lights up the stadium.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: the grumpy old man on November 13, 2023, 11:46:15 am
What's interesting to me is that Sammy and Tommy Fowler are the only two who appear in both lists. I accept that some of the players were defenders and one was a goalie before anybody points it out.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 27, 2023, 15:59:26 pm
Overtaken Lloyd Davies to move into 6th in league appearances. 14 away from top 5.
Joint 8th with Fred Lessons and Ralph Hoten with 75 league goals. 7 away from Albert Dawes.

Joint 8th with Ralph Hoten and Tommy Wells in overall goals. 4 away from Tommy Fowler.

Just to add to this, due to the way numbers work, Hoskins has now overtaken everybody he was previously level with.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on November 27, 2023, 20:28:31 pm
Just another one impressed with Sammy Goals finish yesterday. Excellent work just before the goal and a pinpoint finish with his weaker foot. It took him a few years to get going but he’s a real player for us now.

I agree but reckon along with Bowie both could have had hat tricks. Personally I thought that CU where devoid of any class; as for the bloke who was sent off.......................real gem when you have just been yellow carded for a potential red card offence.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemaker on November 28, 2023, 06:31:22 am
Cliff Holton 50 goals in 62 appearances so although prolific nowhere near highest in either category.
I was just reading about cliff holton
What an amazing career he had……

I’m not massively into stats but I’d guess there isn’t another player with a higher goals to games career ratio who failed to win an England cap.(taking a minimum of a hundred appearances as a benchmark)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Ben Arthur on November 29, 2023, 06:01:29 am
I was always a fan of Hoskins's contribution, pace and workrate but, the odd spectacular goal aside, his output in the box and final ball was mostly disappointing. I guess I chuckled along with a few others when Brady called him our most natural finisher.  Last year, some improved technique and confidence along with some better players around him, a little luck and a few penalties set him on his way. This season seems altogether a different level though. The variety and quality is quite astounding. The recent decisive goals against Burton and Cambridge were impressive but I think last night's was even more astonishing. Most players, definitely all of ours, would have looked for a better angle or to play someone else in. He sometimes still takes the wrong option to shoot but you increasingly can't blame for that and it will probably draw the defender allowing him occasionally to put others in, like with Bowie last night. Great performance Sam. Here's to his reaching 100 goals. It's worth reading Brady's defence of Hoskins, https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-launches-strong-defence-of-hoskins-after-forwards-goal-drought-continues-3174428 (https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-launches-strong-defence-of-hoskins-after-forwards-goal-drought-continues-3174428). It's difficult to believe that's only two and a half years ago.

 


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on November 29, 2023, 06:07:50 am
I must admit I was also a critic in the past, again never doubting his work rate and commitment but the finishing was sporadic at best, but the last 2 years have truly been exceptional, if he was 5 years younger we would have a multi million pound player within our ranks.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 29, 2023, 06:09:53 am
I was always a fan of Hoskins's contribution, pace and workrate but, the odd spectacular goal aside, his output in the box and final ball was mostly disappointing. I guess I chuckled along with a few others when Brady called him our most natural finisher.  Last year, some improved technique and confidence along with some better players around him, a little luck and a few penalties set him on his way. This season seems altogether a different level though. The variety and quality is quite astounding. The recent decisive goals against Burton and Cambridge were impressive but I think last night's was even more astonishing. Most players, definitely all of ours, would have looked for a better angle or to play someone else in. He sometimes still takes the wrong option to shoot but you increasingly can't blame for that and it will probably draw the defender allowing him occasionally to put others in, like with Bowie last night. Great performance Sam. Here's to his reaching 100 goals. It's worth reading Brady's defence of Hoskins, https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-launches-strong-defence-of-hoskins-after-forwards-goal-drought-continues-3174428 (https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-launches-strong-defence-of-hoskins-after-forwards-goal-drought-continues-3174428). It's difficult to believe that's only two and a half years ago.

 
Very good post. I've always argued that with his ability, work rate and lack of injuries, if he had an end product he would be capable of playing at a level higher than we could offer. Now I'm worried.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 29, 2023, 06:20:43 am
Very good post. I've always argued that with his ability, work rate and lack of injuries, if he had an end product he would be capable of playing at a level higher than we could offer. Now I'm worried.
Nearly forgot about the assist as well.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on November 29, 2023, 06:35:09 am
If he stays in January he’ll almost certainly see his career out with us.
After last season and this, I’m sure they’ll be a bid from someone who needs some goals and is willing to up his wage. I get the impression he is very content here, so think we’ll be OK.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bugbrooke Boy on November 29, 2023, 16:36:41 pm
Please do not read this if you have no sense of humour - you know who you are!

I wonder if Championship defenders will find out our Sammy (given that we get promoted as our recent form might suggest)?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on November 29, 2023, 16:53:24 pm
Given the form Sammy is in right now I wonder what type of bid it would take for the club to accept it for him


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on November 29, 2023, 17:00:01 pm
Given the form Sammy is in right now I wonder what type of bid it would take for the club to accept it for him
£1m or above and he’s gone.
Personally I don’t think we will get anything like that, Alfie May who I have always thought was a great player at this level went to Charlton from Chelts for £250k, so I guess w based on that we would get offers around the £250k to £400k mark.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 1971cobbler on November 29, 2023, 17:00:31 pm
I was always a fan of Hoskins's contribution, pace and workrate but, the odd spectacular goal aside, his output in the box and final ball was mostly disappointing. I guess I chuckled along with a few others when Brady called him our most natural finisher.  Last year, some improved technique and confidence along with some better players around him, a little luck and a few penalties set him on his way. This season seems altogether a different level though. The variety and quality is quite astounding. The recent decisive goals against Burton and Cambridge were impressive but I think last night's was even more astonishing. Most players, definitely all of ours, would have looked for a better angle or to play someone else in. He sometimes still takes the wrong option to shoot but you increasingly can't blame for that and it will probably draw the defender allowing him occasionally to put others in, like with Bowie last night. Great performance Sam. Here's to his reaching 100 goals. It's worth reading Brady's defence of Hoskins, https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-launches-strong-defence-of-hoskins-after-forwards-goal-drought-continues-3174428 (https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-launches-strong-defence-of-hoskins-after-forwards-goal-drought-continues-3174428). It's difficult to believe that's only two and a half years ago.

 

As composed as the finish was, I was more impressed with his anticipation that a chance might be on.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: lordjord on November 29, 2023, 18:50:28 pm
£1m or above and he’s gone.
Personally I don’t think we will get anything like that, Alfie May who I have always thought was a great player at this level went to Charlton from Chelts for £250k, so I guess w based on that we would get offers around the £250k to £400k mark.

Cheltenham were mad to accept that looking at other strikers in and around this level who had worse goal returns in recent years.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 29, 2023, 19:13:13 pm
£1m or above and he’s gone.
Personally I don’t think we will get anything like that, Alfie May who I have always thought was a great player at this level went to Charlton from Chelts for £250k, so I guess w based on that we would get offers around the £250k to £400k mark.

Was that influenced by Lg 2 goals though?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemaker on November 29, 2023, 19:48:24 pm
I think it more than likely we will accept an undisclosed fee  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on November 29, 2023, 19:56:00 pm
Cheltenham were mad to accept that looking at other strikers in and around this level who had worse goal returns in recent years.

It does seem low but we are dealing with human beings rather than Football Manager. If the player wants to further his career and that's the only offer on the table Cheltenham are pretty much forced to accept it - or have an unhappy player on their books.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on November 29, 2023, 19:57:28 pm
£1m or above and he’s gone.
Personally I don’t think we will get anything like that, Alfie May who I have always thought was a great player at this level went to Charlton from Chelts for £250k, so I guess w based on that we would get offers around the £250k to £400k mark.

After seeing Alfie May on the telly he was an absolute steal. Proper quality.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on November 29, 2023, 21:15:10 pm
Alfie May had a £250,000 get out clause in his contract which is why he went for that amount. He wanted to go to Derby but at that time they were not allowed to sign him so he went to Charlton instead. Basically he had the choice of choosing any club willing to pay £250,000.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Risdene on November 30, 2023, 03:52:50 am
He wanted to go back to his Gravesend roots.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on November 30, 2023, 06:27:42 am
I think it more than likely we will accept an undisclosed fee  ;)

You are more than likely right most annoyingly for us fans who like to know the amount


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on November 30, 2023, 07:47:23 am
I think it more than likely we will accept an undisclosed fee  ;)

Well, if he is going to go, I hope he reaches his 100 goals for us first. Come on Sammy, 2 months to get 7 goals, that's doable.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on November 30, 2023, 07:58:45 am
Well, if he is going to go, I hope he reaches his 100 goals for us first. Come on Sammy, 2 months to get 7 goals, that's doable.

He is on 85 at the minute so needs 15 more for that


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 30, 2023, 09:03:48 am
86*


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on November 30, 2023, 09:55:11 am
Even if he went for £1m it would make little difference to us as fans, other than not seeing as many goals.
I reckon we'll get to enjoy the rest of his career with us, with the most impressive stats that the vast majority have ever witnessed by a Cobblers player.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on November 30, 2023, 10:07:58 am
Very good post. I've always argued that with his ability, work rate and lack of injuries, if he had an end product he would be capable of playing at a level higher than we could offer. Now I'm worried.

Me too, thought that Bens post was very good!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on November 30, 2023, 10:31:41 am
Even if he went for £1m it would make little difference to us as fans, other than not seeing as many goals.
I reckon we'll get to enjoy the rest of his career with us, with the most impressive stats that the vast majority have ever witnessed by a Cobblers player.
I think we can safely say if he does go the fee wil be spent on …………running costs.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 30, 2023, 10:34:27 am
I think we can safely say if he does go the fee wil be spent on …………running costs.

Yep… That’s what every club does at our level.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on November 30, 2023, 11:57:35 am
I think it more than likely we will accept an undisclosed fee  ;)

In which case we'll find out (near enough probably) when the financial statements are published for y/e 30th June 2024 (31st March 2025 or a day or two sooner).


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on November 30, 2023, 13:44:16 pm
He is on 85 at the minute so needs 15 more for that

Oops, I meant 100 senior goals, but would happily accept 100 for us.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 30, 2023, 19:36:17 pm
I think we can safely say if he does go the fee wil be spent on …………running costs.
Really, I thought 50% dividend and the rest on the post land deal libel case. Have you set up your go fund me page yet? Derek has, he’s already got enough for the bus fair to the lawyers. 


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on November 30, 2023, 23:03:36 pm
I think we can safely say if he does go the fee wil be spent on …………running costs.
Well trans Atlantic flights are not cheap.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 01, 2023, 03:33:04 am
Well trans Atlantic flights are not cheap.
We should ask what the cost of flights was over the last 12 months or so dealing with the ACV/JR legals? Hopefully it was business and not first class?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on December 01, 2023, 11:23:45 am
Two goals shy of his 20 for 2023.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on December 01, 2023, 11:35:49 am
We should ask what the cost of flights was over the last 12 months or so dealing with the ACV/JR legals? Hopefully it was business and not first class?
What so a Zoom call meeting wouldn't suffice? Seemed to be just dandy for the Arizona kid in revamping the Trust!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on December 01, 2023, 11:47:50 am
What so a Zoom call meeting wouldn't suffice? Seemed to be just dandy for the Arizona kid in revamping the Trust!
Keep up, Terry told us only yesterday on the Re Dev thread, that a Zoom meeting or a meeting in a WMC is by far inferior than a meeting in a 5* hotel, which of course is blindingly obvious.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 01, 2023, 15:24:52 pm
😴, back to Super Sam, I hope he sees out his career at the Cobblers, but if he gets an opportunity, in January, to play at a higher level then good luck to him, he will have earned it


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 01, 2023, 15:28:56 pm
What so a Zoom call meeting wouldn't suffice? Seemed to be just dandy for the Arizona kid in revamping the Trust!
True, in which case it won’t be a legitimate business expense, so any flights wont be costed to the club. Very helpful, thanks for confirming.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 01, 2023, 15:40:34 pm
Well trans Atlantic flights are not cheap.
Rog, Cat reckons you’re talking bollócks, so Hoskins transfer kitty is safe 👍


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 01, 2023, 16:53:22 pm
Keep up, Terry told us only yesterday on the Re Dev thread, that a Zoom meeting or a meeting in a WMC is by far inferior than a meeting in a 5* hotel, which of course is blindingly obvious.

I'm not sure if it’s your dotage Roger, or you’ve just caught a touch of the Dustons. But you must try harder, not to fabricate what others say.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on December 01, 2023, 21:45:49 pm
I'm not sure if it’s your dotage Roger, or you’ve just caught a touch of the Dustons. But you must try harder, not to fabricate what others say.
Posted by yourself at 07.23 Yesterday .

" It's very different from sitting in the abandoned back room of a virtually empty WMC, or a zoom meeting."

No fabrication by me


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 01, 2023, 21:50:25 pm
Posted by yourself at 07.23 Yesterday .

" It's very different from sitting in the abandoned back room of a virtually empty WMC, or a zoom meeting."

No fabrication by me


And in response to that. You stated that I said the following.

“Keep up, Terry told us only yesterday on the Re Dev thread, that a Zoom meeting or a meeting in a WMC is by far inferior than a meeting in a 5* hotel, which of course is blindingly obvious”.

Where did I say anything about inferior. Or indeed a 5* Hotel?

Complete fabrication. As I said.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 02, 2023, 07:00:17 am
Popcorn anyone? 🥳


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Carton Lid on December 02, 2023, 10:42:53 am
And in response to that. You stated that I said the following.

“Keep up, Terry told us only yesterday on the Re Dev thread, that a Zoom meeting or a meeting in a WMC is by far inferior than a meeting in a 5* hotel, which of course is blindingly obvious”.

Where did I say anything about inferior. Or indeed a 5* Hotel?

Complete fabrication. As I said.

You did mention a zoom meeting, you might not have used the word inferior but, just to clear things up, could you explain what "sitting in the abandoned back room of a virtually empty WMC"  is supposed to mean ?
  If it is not meant to infer something, why did you mention it ?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 02, 2023, 11:22:53 am
Please let it go, or have a row via the messaging function, it’s supposedly a thread about the scamp Sam Hoskins!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 02, 2023, 11:46:17 am
Please let it go, or have a row via the messaging function, it’s supposedly a thread about the scamp Sam Hoskins!
Are we allowed to have a row about Sam Hoskins, or are all punch ups off limits?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 02, 2023, 11:56:32 am
Please let it go, or have a row via the messaging function, it’s supposedly a thread about the scamp Sam Hoskins!

If I’m misquoted I will address it. Nobody is topping you staying on track.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 02, 2023, 11:58:33 am
You did mention a zoom meeting, you might not have used the word inferior but, just to clear things up, could you explain what "sitting in the abandoned back room of a virtually empty WMC"  is supposed to mean ?
  If it is not meant to infer something, why did you mention it ?

I didn’t use inferior, or 5* hotel. Both of which you attributed to me. I’m more than happy to be quoted. I just don’t like it being embellished.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 02, 2023, 12:09:00 pm
If I’m misquoted I will address it. Nobody is topping you staying on track.
It was aimed at the bloke from Barton  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 02, 2023, 12:10:19 pm
Are we allowed to have a row about Sam Hoskins, or are all punch ups off limits?
Rows about Sam are welcome, the irrelevant little scamp!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on December 02, 2023, 12:17:26 pm
Let's make this the Hotel END guys please.

On topic: Will he make it to 100 with us?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 02, 2023, 12:51:16 pm
Bookies obviously don't rate him to keep it up, 25/1 to be top scorer, while Rhodes and Bishop are even with him on at 11 goals are only 6/1 and Charles who is also even on goals scores is 7/1. Might be worth a go if anyone is feeling brave.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 02, 2023, 13:01:25 pm
It was aimed at the bloke from Barton  ;)

You got no chance. He follows me around like a lost child  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 02, 2023, 13:05:18 pm
Bookies obviously don't rate him to keep it up, 25/1 to be top scorer, while Rhodes and Bishop are even with him on at 11 goals are only 6/1 and Charles who is also even on goals scores is 7/1. Might be worth a go if anyone is feeling brave.
Spent virtually his whole career being underestimated and battling doubters, only a fool would write him off.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 02, 2023, 13:14:31 pm
Spent virtually his whole career being underestimated and battling doubters, only a fool would write him off.

I'd grab that 25/1 quick then, with the amount of devotees Hoskins has on here, that price wont last long.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on December 02, 2023, 13:51:34 pm
I'd grab that 25/1 quick then, with the amount of devotees Hoskins has on here, that price wont last long.

This devotee got 40/1 a while ago


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 02, 2023, 13:57:41 pm
You got no chance. He follows me around like a lost child  ;D
😂


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 02, 2023, 17:23:22 pm
I'd grab that 25/1 quick then, with the amount of devotees Hoskins has on here, that price wont last long.
And as if by magic…..


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 02, 2023, 19:31:27 pm
Popcorn anyone? 🥳

I applaud you for asking people to stick to the thread but was extremely disappointed that the sun failed to materialise at 2pm.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 02, 2023, 20:06:10 pm
I applaud you for asking people to stick to the thread but was extremely disappointed that the sun failed to materialise at 2pm.
It was sunny in Moulton at 2PM  8)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 02, 2023, 20:17:12 pm
It was sunny in Moulton at 2PM  8)

Saha. That explains the Spectacle Lane moniker.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 02, 2023, 20:40:21 pm
Saha. That explains the Spectacle Lane moniker.
I drive past it occasionally, I’ve been informed by another poster that it’s a well known dogging venue 😂


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 08, 2023, 05:34:29 am
Super Sammy gets another ornament for his already overladen mantlepiece!

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2023/december/pom_nov23/ (https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2023/december/pom_nov23/)



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 08, 2023, 06:32:50 am
I drive past it occasionally, I’ve been informed by another poster that it’s a well known dogging venue 😂

I once saw someone taking their wife up the alley down there. But it was a well known cut through.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on December 08, 2023, 06:37:31 am
Super Sammy gets another ornament for his already overladen mantlepiece!

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2023/december/pom_nov23/ (https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2023/december/pom_nov23/)



League One player of the month for his match winning goals. Who'd have thought it?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 08, 2023, 06:58:06 am
Found out by league one! Well done Sam Hoskins 🎉


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 08, 2023, 07:14:14 am
I once saw someone taking their wife up the alley down there. But it was a well known cut through.

It's only when it's someone else's wife that you need to keep an eye out.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 08, 2023, 08:54:07 am
It's only when it's someone else's wife that you need to keep an eye out.
Just me and the current Mrs Tabasco.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 08, 2023, 09:29:31 am
Well done Sammy on yourLeague One Player of the Month award. Can't remember when we last had a striker who wins a prestigious award.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 08, 2023, 09:32:52 am
Just me and the current Mrs Tabasco.

Is she hot?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 08, 2023, 09:55:51 am
Is she hot?
It was bloody cold that night!  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 08, 2023, 09:58:22 am
There you go, it will cost anybody over a million. Under valued I would say, bearing in mind that we fleeced Brentford for Charlie Goode.

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-lavishes-praise-on-special-sam-hoskins-and-says-it-would-take-huge-money-to-even-contemplate-selling-him-4438617


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 08, 2023, 10:10:30 am
There you go, it will cost anybody over a million. Under valued I would say, bearing in mind that we fleeced Brentford for Charlie Goode.

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-lavishes-praise-on-special-sam-hoskins-and-says-it-would-take-huge-money-to-even-contemplate-selling-him-4438617

As supporters we are lucky he didn't hit this form 3-4 years ago or else he'd be snapped up and we rarely seem to feel the cash benefit, although it is difficult to quantify. e.g. would we still have Leonard if we hadn't got the Chelsea money?
Either way we don't want to lose him for £1m. Let's hope the owners are aligned if offers come in!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 08, 2023, 10:16:18 am
As supporters we are lucky he didn't hit this form 3-4 years ago or else he'd be snapped up and we rarely seem to feel the cash benefit, although it is difficult to quantify. e.g. would we still have Leonard if we hadn't got the Chelsea money?
Either way we don't want to lose him for £1m. Let's hope the owners are aligned if offers come in!
Chelsea money? Youve lost me mate.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on December 08, 2023, 11:30:03 am
I assume he means the money Chelsea paid for Carney Chukwuemeka.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: FezNTFC on December 08, 2023, 11:32:08 am
I wonder who was the last Cobblers player was to win Player of the Month in League One? Must have been a long time ago!

Well done Sammy, a fantastic achievement.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on December 08, 2023, 11:44:05 am
Emmmm that article did seem a bit like an advertisement for selling Sam, we will only sell him for a seven figure fee.
Personally if I was the chairman and a club from the Championship offered me £2m for the little scamp I’d rip their arm off.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on December 08, 2023, 11:56:50 am
I wonder who was the last Cobblers player was to win Player of the Month in League One? Must have been a long time ago!

Well done Sammy, a fantastic achievement.

Not as long as you think... JJOT in January 2018 when he scored 4 in 4 as we went unbeaten....we later got relegated.

That was the first since the change of the renaming of the leagues in 2004.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 08, 2023, 12:34:50 pm
Chelsea money? Youve lost me mate.

It was that low key that you've probably missed it or forgotten about it. I'm sure it'll pop up in the accounts:

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/thomas-confirms-cobblers-will-benefit-from-chukwuemekas-move-from-aston-villa-to-chelsea-3857637


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 08, 2023, 12:42:25 pm
It was that low key that you've probably missed it or forgotten about it. I'm sure it'll pop up in the accounts:

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/thomas-confirms-cobblers-will-benefit-from-chukwuemekas-move-from-aston-villa-to-chelsea-3857637

Good old undisclosed amount.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: FezNTFC on December 08, 2023, 12:42:54 pm
Not as long as you think... JJOT in January 2018 when he scored 4 in 4 as we went unbeaten....we later got relegated.

That was the first since the change of the renaming of the leagues in 2004.
Blimey. Yer, I would never have associated that season with any of our players winning that award  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 08, 2023, 13:09:06 pm
Chelsea money? Youve lost me mate.

Me too!


ps not hard I know


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 08, 2023, 13:29:55 pm
Good old undisclosed amount.

It was enough to cover Hylton's wages and some more to come. Not to be sniffed at for someone who left as a kid. Good business.

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-to-benefit-after-chelsea-complete-deal-for-young-midfielder-from-aston-villa-3791603


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: MCHammer on December 08, 2023, 16:19:27 pm
Brilliant achievement for Sam.  Well deserved as he is clearly showing he is a league one front player.

I don't know what changed but his positioning and finishing is light years what it was a few years ago.  Maybe Rico coaching or probably just age and experience.



Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on December 08, 2023, 17:15:12 pm
What a great achievement for Sam and long may this form continue


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 09, 2023, 08:53:38 am
What a great achievement for Sam and long may this form continue
Indeed, he’s proved his detractors wrong yet again


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 09, 2023, 09:28:36 am
Indeed, he’s proved his detractors wrong yet again

Who are these detractors because from what I can see on here he is worshipped as a hero?

I know Manny said he thought he'd get caught out in League 1, a fair enough assumption seeing his previous form at this level but I can't think of anyone else and if all you've got is Manny, well, him being wrong is hardly a rarity.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 09, 2023, 09:37:49 am
Who are these detractors because from what I can see on here he is worshipped as a hero?



I was one. But to be fair, he was shocking then. So unlike all of those who confidently predicted his amazing transformation, I was just a mere mortal who commented on what I was seeing at the time. But none the less.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 09, 2023, 09:43:50 am
Question answered! 2 is plural which equals detractors, and I’m certain if you check back that there will have been others


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Observing on December 09, 2023, 09:46:35 am
I was one. Let’s be honest he’s always had the work ethic and put the effort in but there was a period of time where his end product was non existent, he’s turned that around and is fantastic now.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 09, 2023, 09:51:59 am
Question answered! 2 is plural which equals detractors, and I’m certain if you check back that there will have been others

Just cottoned on who you are. Nice one Doc Jekell😎


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 09, 2023, 09:58:20 am

Who are these detractors because from what I can see on here he is worshipped as a hero?


I'm not sure anyone has been 'wrong'.
From how I've seen it the only people who have "worshipped" him throughout have been the kids.
I think most have recognised his reliability, service and effort, which had been frustrating lacking in terms of a final products. I do think he unfairly attracted more than his fair share of criticism considering some of the donkeys he has played with over the years.

The out layers now are the small handful (I'd imagine) who don't give him the credit he deserves for the past two seasons. He has transformed himself into a very special player at our level.
When you add that to his overall stats in terms of appearances and goals, it makes him one of the most accomplished Cobblers players in most of our lifetimes. Not forgetting his multiple awards, so it's not just us who "worship" him. 


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 09, 2023, 10:20:57 am
Question answered! 2 is plural which equals detractors, and I’m certain if you check back that there will have been others

So, we've constantly over 5,000 spectators and you've found two that thought Hoskins might struggle in League 1. Well done. You must be so proud.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 09, 2023, 10:50:04 am
So, we've constantly over 5,000 spectators and you've found two that thought Hoskins might struggle in League 1. Well done. You must be so proud.
I make it 4 including you, just saying.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on December 09, 2023, 10:56:02 am
Well he did say detractors and any number over 1 is plural so I guess he is right.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: EB Claret on December 09, 2023, 10:56:47 am
So, we've constantly over 5,000 spectators and you've found two that thought Hoskins might struggle in League 1. Well done. You must be so proud.

Inside the ground there used to be booing and abuse directed at Sam, including some of the "kids" in the southwest corner. They all join in with the rest singing his praises now.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 09, 2023, 10:59:20 am
In fairness to Manny he did a thorough in-depth analysis of Sam Hoskins and his performances on the second page of this thread. The coaches of us out there can measure the improvement from that point.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 09, 2023, 11:01:23 am
I make it 4 including you, just saying.

Me? When have I said anything against this season?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 09, 2023, 11:02:40 am
Well he did say detractors and any number over 1 is plural so I guess he is right.

Stating the bleeding obvious you mean? Well there's plenty of that on here.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 09, 2023, 11:22:37 am
So, we've constantly over 5,000 spectators and you've found two that thought Hoskins might struggle in League 1. Well done. You must be so proud.
You were wrong on this occasion, after all you're only human!  :-*


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 09, 2023, 11:29:37 am
You were wrong on this occasion, after all you're only human!  :-*

I'm often wrong, more so as I've got older. But this constant barrage of people trying to argue a point that nobody is making is insane. If Hoskins scores toady, and we all hope he does, some idiot on here is going to say, "Well that proves his detractors wrong" or something about him being caught out by League 1. It's nonsense. NOBODY is saying that. Just who are you arguing with?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 09, 2023, 11:32:48 am
You're wasting your time, I have no interest in your opinions, go find someone else to have a row with  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 09, 2023, 11:42:47 am
I'm often wrong, more so as I've got older. But this constant barrage of people trying to argue a point that nobody is making is insane. If Hoskins scores toady, and we all hope he does, some idiot on here is going to say, "Well that proves his detractors wrong" or something about him being caught out by League 1. It's nonsense. NOBODY is saying that. Just who are you arguing with?
Hope if we get a penalty it’s then when he scores it. Otherwise he’ll single handedly cause our relegation.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 09, 2023, 11:47:10 am
Hope if we get a penalty it’s then when he scores it. Otherwise he’ll single handedly cause our relegation.

Relegation? Talk about morbid. Win today we could go top half.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 09, 2023, 11:50:42 am
Relegation? Talk about morbid. Win today we could go top half.
😀 Very good, you’re lightening up.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 09, 2023, 20:11:09 pm
Just cottoned on who you are. Nice one Doc Jekell😎
;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 09, 2023, 21:24:31 pm
1Alfie May Charlton Ath
15   0   18   0.83   108   50   30%   62%

2 Jordan Rhodes Blackpool
13   3   17   0.80   113   40   33%   60%
   
3 Jamie Reid Stevenage
13   0   20   0.76   118   47   28%   64%

= 4 Devante Cole Barnsley   with Sammy
12   2   19   0.69   131   32   38%   59%

Sam Hoskins Northampton Town
12   2   20   0.61   147   55   22%   51%

5 Colby Bishop Portsmouth
11   2   18   0.63   142   44   25%   61%


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on December 10, 2023, 21:01:55 pm
Oops, I meant 100 senior goals, but would happily accept 100 for us.

I think the question that is on everyone's lips is can Super Sam reach 25 goals this season and there reach the magic 100 goals for us total. A goal every other game would seal this and at his current rate, if he plays for the rest of the season, it is doable. No stupid yellow cards would help.

PS don't sell him in January even for a £1m - he's got to be worth more than Christian Lee.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 11, 2023, 06:32:46 am


PS don't sell him in January even for a £1m - he's got to be worth more than Christian Lee.

I'm not overly confident. But I'm sure that was during the Ian Atkins reign. Good manager, but we'll leave it at that.....  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemaker on December 11, 2023, 07:58:34 am
In all seriousness we should be asking silly money for Hoskins.
£1m is peanuts for one of the most in form strikers in the football league over the last couple of seasons.
I’d say £2.5 m and you can talk to him and even that is absolute peanuts for any championship team.
Phone up Barry fry and ask him if he can do the negotiations for us, if Hoskins was a borough player fat baz would already be all over the media pointing out his scoring record, his work rate and how they wouldn’t let him go for less than £7M
That way they’d trouser £4/5M
I’m not joking either…..


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 11, 2023, 09:00:39 am
In view of the current situation with the stand, land and owners track record/intent, I'd say that there won't be too many fans who would be happy to see him sold for any price.
IMO he is pretty much priceless. What is £1m, £2m, £5m worth to us fans? I guess for £5m we might be able to call it the 'Sam Hoskins East Stand'.
I guess one day it would be nice to see one of our players sold for big money (like the P*sh have done) and see them go on to big success.

Personally I'd rather see our best players stay in a Cobblers shirt. You'd also think that unless something silly came in that with him being settled (with his young family) and on an improved contract he'd be happy to see his days out with us.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: CobblerForever on December 11, 2023, 12:58:43 pm
Do we know there isn't a buy out clause in Sam's latest contract ? I can see the Boards reasoning/excuse for selling him from here if there is one.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: BackOfTheNet on December 13, 2023, 08:46:59 am
Assuming we get some reasonable offers, it's a really tough call, isn't it?

Financially, a £1m+ offer would,  on the face of it at least, be very hard to turn down for a 30 year old player.

That said, Sammy's goals could very well be the difference between us staying up and getting dragged into the relegation mire. With the new TV deal coming along, what's the difference going to be in revenue if we drop into league 2?

There's also the perennial factor of what this would mean for the player; a big fee would come with a big payoff and most likely a significantly increased salary. I certainly wouldn't begrudge him his last chance of a big pay day after the service he has given us.

Having said all that, I've got everything crossed that we don't lose him!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 13, 2023, 09:10:07 am

There's also the perennial factor of what this would mean for the player; a big fee would come with a big payoff and most likely a significantly increased salary. I certainly wouldn't begrudge him his last chance of a big pay day after the service he has given us.


I always find it interesting what a person puts on the value of pay. Whilst there are people who would leave one job for an extra £1 an hour, there are others who wouldn't if they were offered a 25% rise, context is everything.
I guess with footballers it has a bigger emphasis, especially at the lower end and a short career. I'd imagine any potential lump sum signing on fee is a bigger draw than the extra wage at his age.

I have no concept of how Hoskin's views his situation but I get the impression that you wouldn't find many players who are more settled.
If there is an offer that is too good to refuse I also wouldn't begrudge him going. There is one thing for a club wanting to sell him and the player actually wanting to leave.
Fingers crossed (for us) those offers don't come in.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 13, 2023, 09:43:15 am
I must be the most content, relaxed supporter on here, because I don't care whether he goes or stays. No one player is bigger then the club, it was here for over a hundred years before Hoskins arrived and with any luck will be here a hundred years after he's gone. We've lost far bigger and better players. Look at when we lost Morley & Hill when we got promoted in 1986/7. How on earth could a team lose TWO players who both scored over 30 goals and expect to succeed at a higher level? Well we did didn't we, finished 6th in League 1. Then there was the Ian Atkins side in 1996/7. Our top scorers, Grayson & Cooper both departed but we still managed to finish in the play-offs at the higher level.

So, what if Hoskins does go and if its to a bigger club good luck to him, he's earned his pay day? What if we get a decent return and with that money Brady brings in three players, all starters, to strengthen the club? Maybe a keeper, a winger and a striker? Who knows what a difference that would make overall? The manager is doing a good job, has us higher in the table than most would have expected, I'm fully confident that we wont be going down this season.

So, what if Hoskins stays? Fine. Lets hope he keeps on scoring those goals at the rate he is now. However he could lose his form or worse, he could break his leg in the next game and be out for the rest of the season. Then what? Where's Brady going to get the finances then to get in replacements?

Anyway, like I say I'm quite relaxed about the situation. Its nice to go into the January transfer window with so little pressure on the team for a change. Enjoy it and stop fretting over things you have no control over. What will be will be. UTC.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 13, 2023, 09:58:10 am

Look at when we lost Morley & Hill


I always wonder if we would have got promotion that season if Morley and Hill had stayed? I bet Hill wishes he had stayed! Effectively the end of his career. Adcock was decent though.
I still remember that Sunderland game and Eric Gates getting a dodgy pen.
Alongside the Grimsby defeat, the closest sniff we have had at the Championship in my lifetime.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 13, 2023, 10:01:34 am
For every one of us, it's all about 'pension' when you get to a certain age, especially in the short career as a footballer.
He needs to make a decision at the right time, when he is likely to receive the greatest amount.
He'll be 31 in February, he may be at the peak of his value with his current goal tally and consistency.
If an offer comes in, does he gamble by staying and hoping for more at a later date when he'll be another year older, or take the ' bird in the hand' in the January or summer 2024 transfer windows?
He's been fortunate with injuries and hopefully continues to be so, but the older you get the less is the resistance.
Whatever he decides, good luck to him and his family, he's done well here and deserves the opportunity.
And as Marvo said, NTFC will continue, like we have over the many years, when our previous 'star players' have departed.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Risdene on December 13, 2023, 10:10:01 am
In the real world, if we had £1 MILLION to spend would you buy 30 year old Sam?

I think most would buy 2 or 3 younger players.

Therefore I would sell him but thank him for his superb service.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 13, 2023, 11:22:05 am
In the real world, if we had £1 MILLION to spend would you buy 30 year old Sam?

I think most would buy 2 or 3 younger players.

Therefore I would sell him but thank him for his superb service.

£1m is an interesting amount. Personally I don't think it would do us a lot of good. How much do you genuinely would end up back on the pitch?
It's a difficult amount to use effectively.
Anyone young and really good would be way more expensive.
You could strike lucky and get an Alfie May.
You could end up with a couple of Simpsons, or a Paul McGregor.

For a team with money £1m for him would represent good VFM IMO, although Tim O (featured on Five Live yesterday) wouldn't be too happy after getting his tattoo.

In reality we would mainly subsidise an expensive L1 season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 13, 2023, 11:36:52 am
I hope he stays put and keeps knocking the gaols in, the team would be relegation fodder without them  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 13, 2023, 11:51:54 am
I hope he stays put and keeps knocking the gaols in, the team would be relegation fodder without them  ;)

If any of the other players in the squad are reading this you must have made them feel really good about themselves. NTFC. A one man team.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 13, 2023, 11:54:49 am
 :-*


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 13, 2023, 12:00:46 pm

If any of the other players in the squad are reading this


TBF if the squad read this forum some will be more upset than others.  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2023, 12:01:36 pm
As far as I’m concerned Sammy is scoring goals for fun, and let’s face it that’s a rare commodity in the lower divisions. If we let him go we’d be rolling the dice that we’d get similar, and chances are we won’t. Probably the biggest asset we have so letting him go is a big risk.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2023, 12:04:01 pm
If any of the other players in the squad are reading this you must have made them feel really good about themselves. NTFC. A one man team.
As opposed to making our leading scorer feel really good about himself you mean?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 13, 2023, 12:42:46 pm
As opposed to making our leading scorer feel really good about himself you mean?

Other than predicting that he won't be our top scorer this season, putting disproportionate focus on a missed penalty, rarely voting him MOM, the 'worthless goals' line, highlighting chances he didn't score, highlighting the feelings that praise may have on other players (on a Sam Hoskins thread - poor sensitive souls) and not caring if he stays or leaves, you'd be forgiven for thinking that he isn't a huge fan of the bloke.  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 13, 2023, 13:00:28 pm
Other than predicting that he won't be our top scorer this season, putting disproportionate focus on a missed penalty, rarely voting him MOM, the 'worthless goals' line, highlighting chances he didn't score, highlighting the feelings that praise may have on other players (on a Sam Hoskins thread - poor sensitive souls) and not caring if he stays or leaves, you'd be forgiven for thinking that he isn't a huge fan of the bloke.  ;D
Careful now, thats akin to telling him that his graphs are wrong.   ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on December 13, 2023, 16:04:22 pm
TBF if the squad read this forum some will be more upset than others.  ;D
I hope Danny Hylton is reading this.

If Sammy went for £1M I doubt we'd see more 250k spent on replacement(s). There woulds be his wage bill that is freed up and I have no idea what that is. So unless
there are some amazing players we can bring on available for no money its not going to be good for the team/fans.

From his POV he can hardly afford to turn down a big payday. I bet there are clubs who would happily pay 3x what we are paying him. He'll also get some cut of the transfer fee. Can he really afford to turn down maybe 5-10 years pay at the rate he's earning here if an offer comes in. But can an offer be made until the club sanction it by agreeing a transfer fee? Again unless theres a clause in his contract.

I'm just happy he has some games left at the club and hope he bangs some more in for us whatever the final outcome.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 13, 2023, 16:05:12 pm
Other than predicting that he won't be our top scorer this season, putting disproportionate focus on a missed penalty, rarely voting him MOM, the 'worthless goals' line, highlighting chances he didn't score, highlighting the feelings that praise may have on other players (on a Sam Hoskins thread - poor sensitive souls) and not caring if he stays or leaves, you'd be forgiven for thinking that he isn't a huge fan of the bloke.  ;D

1) Did I predict that or are you talking about that contest we had where people voted for what they thought would happen? I weighed it up, he was always likely to be our top scorer, what with him being penalty taker as well but as everybody voted for him, I thought I'd go with the outsider as he could have been sold or injured, etc. It was a gamble but I never back favourites.

2) We are currently in 12th, had that penalty been scored we would be 10th, just 7 pts off the play-offs. It will probably turn out to be meaningless but who knows at this point?

3) Not only do I rarely vote for him, I actually personally caused him to lose the title last season by adding up the votes and voting each week for whoever could beat him. Not always the winner but someone who could deprive him of points, thus moving him down from say third to fourth. It worked.

4) How would you feel if you were told you were in a one man team and without him you'd be "relegation fodder"?

5) I explained why I didn't care if he stays or leaves, I'm sorry if you couldn't understand the reasoning, I dumbed it down for you as much as I could.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: MCHammer on December 13, 2023, 16:37:34 pm
One stat stood out for me last season, more than any other, regarding Hoskins.  He was the first player to score 20 league goals in a leahue season since Richard Hill in 1986/87.  That Richard Hill season was only my second season of properly supporting the Town i.e. attending more than one or two games a season.  So in pretty much my whole Cobblers supporting time only two players achieved that feat.  I genuinely couldn't believe that especially when you look at some of the names that didn't manage to achieve that during that period it's unreal...Adcock, Barnes, Corrazin, Forrester, Gabbiadini, Smith, McGleish, Bayo, Rico.

And he's over half way to doing it again in a higher league.  That's the level of player we currently have and would have to replace.

I'd be very happy for him to stay knowing how difficult it would likely be to find someone as good.  I'm not even sure what fee would allow us to do that.

   


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 13, 2023, 16:45:38 pm
One stat stood out for me last season, more than any other, regarding Hoskins.  He was the first player to score 20 league goals in a leahue season since Richard Hill in 1986/87.  That Richard Hill season was only my second season of properly supporting the Town i.e. attending more than one or two games a season.  So in pretty much my whole Cobblers supporting time only two players achieved that feat.  I genuinely couldn't believe that especially when you look at some of the names that didn't manage to achieve that during that period it's unreal...Adcock, Barnes, Corrazin, Forrester, Gabbiadini, Smith, McGleish, Bayo, Rico.

And he's over half way to doing it again in a higher league.  That's the level of player we currently have and would have to replace.

I'd be very happy for him to stay knowing how difficult it would likely be to find someone as good.  I'm not even sure what fee would allow us to do that.

   

That's a very interesting post. I think you would agree that Hoskins is now in his prime so I ask you this, if the 10 players you mention were all in their prime, how many of them would you swap for Hoskins?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 13, 2023, 16:53:30 pm
You’re a funny fish Marvo.  ;D

1) Did I predict that or are you talking about that contest we had where people voted for what they thought would happen? I weighed it up, he was always likely to be our top scorer, what with him being penalty taker as well but as everybody voted for him, I thought I'd go with the outsider as he could have been sold or injured, etc. It was a gamble but I never back favourites.

 Forgive me for not knowing you were backing the opposite of what you actually thought, in a ‘contest’ with no relevance or prizes. TBF you have admitted you get things wrong a lot.  

2) We are currently in 12th, had that penalty been scored would be 10th, just 7 pts off the play-offs. It will probably turn out to be meaningless but who knows at this point?

 A penalty will be scored around 80% of the time. Therefore some are missed, the same with chances. Look at all those defensive errors, goal keeping blunders etc. We could have won the league by now, i.e. disproportionate focus, not forgetting the goals he has scored.

3) Not only do I rarely vote for him, I actually personally caused him to lose the title last season by adding up the votes and voting each week for whoever could beat him. Not always the winner but someone who could deprive him of points, thus moving him down from say third to fourth. It worked.

 Exactly supports my point.

4) How would you feel if you were told you were in a one man team and without him you'd be "relegation fodder"?

 You probably passed that off as fact based on one comment from someone or made that strange assumption. I’d imagine the squad have him down as the MVP and will probably be reflected in the players player end of season vote.

5) I explained why I didn't care if he stays or leaves, I'm sorry if you couldn't understand the reasoning, I dumbed it down for you as much as I could.

 Oh, don’t worry, your points are usually pretty dumb. Not bothered if our team is weakened. Good value though.


It would be far easier for you to admit that he is the Messiah and that you pray at the font of Sir Hoskins.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 13, 2023, 16:57:31 pm
 He's not the messiah, he's a goal machine  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2023, 20:40:28 pm
1) Did I predict that or are you talking about that contest we had where people voted for what they thought would happen? I weighed it up, he was always likely to be our top scorer, what with him being penalty taker as well but as everybody voted for him, I thought I'd go with the outsider as he could have been sold or injured, etc. It was a gamble but I never back favourites.

2) We are currently in 12th, had that penalty been scored we would be 10th, just 7 pts off the play-offs. It will probably turn out to be meaningless but who knows at this point?

3) Not only do I rarely vote for him, I actually personally caused him to lose the title last season by adding up the votes and voting each week for whoever could beat him. Not always the winner but someone who could deprive him of points, thus moving him down from say third to fourth. It worked.

4) How would you feel if you were told you were in a one man team and without him you'd be "relegation fodder"?

5) I explained why I didn't care if he stays or leaves, I'm sorry if you couldn't understand the reasoning, I dumbed it down for you as much as I could.
An extraordinary confession.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on December 13, 2023, 21:27:39 pm


3) Not only do I rarely vote for him, I actually personally caused him to lose the title last season by adding up the votes and voting each week for whoever could beat him. Not always the winner but someone who could deprive him of points, thus moving him down from say third to fourth. It worked.


To think that I was blaming Putin for Super Sam not winning last year POTS! Turned out it was clever use of statistics nearer to home.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 13, 2023, 21:33:08 pm
An extraordinary confession.

It was. I thought long and hard about owning up to it. Oh well.

In mitigation, I didn't start down that road with that intention, never thought I could make that much of a difference, just wanted to see if I could. Numbers is my thing.

Anyway, if you want a fool proof way of deciding Player of the Season on here, you need to award points for the winner only. Otherwise it's too easy to manipulate, especially with so few people voting.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 13, 2023, 23:08:59 pm
It was. I thought long and hard about owning up to it. Oh well.

In mitigation, I didn't start down that road with that intention, never thought I could make that much of a difference, just wanted to see if I could. Numbers is my thing.

Anyway, if you want a fool proof way of deciding Player of the Season on here, you need to award points for the winner only. Otherwise it's too easy to manipulate, especially with so few people voting.
There seems an underlying theme where you refuse to accept other people’s views on players as valid. Thats one thing, but to deliberately set out to manipulate the outcome to that extent using that kind of effort is remarkable. Voicing opinion is one thing, this is something entirely different. What you need to do is vote for who you think deserves it and leave it there.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on December 14, 2023, 05:44:23 am
There seems an underlying theme where you refuse to accept other people’s views on players as valid. Thats one thing, but to deliberately set out to manipulate the outcome to that extent using that kind of effort is remarkable. Voicing opinion is one thing, this is something entirely different.

Marvo - are you Putin in disguise?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 14, 2023, 06:30:45 am
What you need to do is vote for who you think deserves it and leave it there.

Did you not think Appere deserved it last year? Plenty of prizes to go round, Hoskins won most of them.

It's how the competition is set up. Take this weeks vote. Everybody (including me) bar two voted for Pinnock, those exceptions voted for McWilliams. Therefore just one vote now for your favourite player, say Hoskins, will extend his lead in the competition. However if that one vote went to Leonard they'd reduce Hoskins lead. You do not have to be an evil genius to work that out.

Anyway, I did that last season, not this. Bored with it now.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 14, 2023, 07:00:56 am
And Sam richly deserved all his awards last season, even more so this year now he’s playing at a higher level


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 14, 2023, 07:06:41 am
Did you not think Appere deserved it last year? Plenty of prizes to go round, Hoskins won most of them.

It's how the competition is set up. Take this weeks vote. Everybody (including me) bar two voted for Pinnock, those exceptions voted for McWilliams. Therefore just one vote now for your favourite player, say Hoskins, will extend his lead in the competition. However if that one vote went to Leonard they'd reduce Hoskins lead. You do not have to be an evil genius to work that out.

Anyway, I did that last season, not this. Bored with it now.
Mate no offence but you are completely off your rocker. Let people vote and it ends up where it ends up, it’s not your decision to make. If you don’t like it don’t vote. At the end of the day it’s just a little thing that the forum does that doesn’t mean a  great deal. Why you felt motivated to go to the trouble to do that only and possibly your therapist will know. However, if you are bored by it then don’t bring it up, or even better stay out of it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on December 14, 2023, 07:31:00 am
Rather sad that somebody would go to these lengths to try to manipulate the vote.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 14, 2023, 07:58:18 am
Rather sad that somebody would go to these lengths to try to manipulate the vote.

Get over it.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Worthless Recluse on December 14, 2023, 08:12:51 am
Mate no offence but you are completely off your rocker. Let people vote and it ends up where it ends up, it’s not your decision to make. If you don’t like it don’t vote. At the end of the day it’s just a little thing that the forum does that doesn’t mean a  great deal. Why you felt motivated to go to the trouble to do that only and possibly your therapist will know. However, if you are bored by it then don’t bring it up, or even better stay out of it.
I particularly like this bit of manipulation..
1) Did I predict that or are you talking about that contest we had where people voted for what they thought would happen?
If someone could explain it to me I'd be grateful.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Monkey on December 14, 2023, 08:48:34 am
An extraordinary confession.

Confessions of a true narcissist.
Imagine if everyone ruined things, just because they could.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 14, 2023, 08:57:28 am
Get over it.
You’re obviously an intelligent guy, I just think think you’ve let yourself down a bit. Still, if you’re comfortable with it then alls well that ends well. As you’ve alluded to, it’s not the end of the world. At least Sammy now knows he would have won, and the winner wasn’t. So to your credit at least you put the record straight.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 14, 2023, 09:09:19 am
And back to Sam Hoskins, he’s doing alright isn’t he?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 14, 2023, 09:19:18 am
Plenty of prizes to go round,
I can think of one for you.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 14, 2023, 09:24:02 am
I was waiting for the 'N' word to make an appearance.

Considering he is someone who cares very deeply about the feelings of players, imagine how poor Louis feels today knowing he has to give his trophy back.  :P

"Did I predict that or are you talking about that contest we had where people voted for what they thought would happen?" as WR points out, that is funny in isolation.  ;D

The most annoying thing is that I now have to start voting for Sir Sammy every game regardless.  :P

Remember chaps, it's just a message board. It is just banter, well it always is from my perspective. Tis true that Marvo dishes plenty out and think he has a secret man crush on the little fella.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 14, 2023, 09:33:40 am
I particularly like this bit of manipulation..
1) Did I predict that or are you talking about that contest we had where people voted for what they thought would happen?
If someone could explain it to me I'd be grateful.

I can explain it. I don't recall predicting that Hoskins wouldn't finish top scorer in a post, but I may have done so in a competition. If everybody says he will be then everybody scores the point so I said he wouldn't on the basis that he could have been sold, injured, etc. If that had turned out to be the case I'd have been the only one scoring the point. It's quite simple really. Think of it like a horse race. Everybody backs the odds on favourite to win peanuts. Those that back the outsider at 50/1 usually lose but when it does come in as they do now and again, it pays big time.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2023, 09:35:10 am
You’re obviously an intelligent guy, I just think think you’ve let yourself down a bit. Still, if you’re comfortable with it then alls well that ends well. As you’ve alluded to, it’s not the end of the world. At least Sammy now knows he would have won, and the winner wasn’t. So to your credit at least you put the record straight.

 ;D  - Quite a clever conclusion!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2023, 09:43:46 am
In all seriousness we should be asking silly money for Hoskins.
£1m is peanuts for one of the most in form strikers in the football league over the last couple of seasons.
I’d say £2.5 m and you can talk to him and even that is absolute peanuts for any championship team.
Phone up Barry fry and ask him if he can do the negotiations for us, if Hoskins was a borough player fat baz would already be all over the media pointing out his scoring record, his work rate and how they wouldn’t let him go for less than £7M
That way they’d trouser £4/5M
I’m not joking either…..

Good point or two there Shoey


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Coolcat on December 14, 2023, 10:27:51 am
Did you not think Appere deserved it last year? Plenty of prizes to go round, Hoskins won most of them.

It's how the competition is set up. Take this weeks vote. Everybody (including me) bar two voted for Pinnock, those exceptions voted for McWilliams. Therefore just one vote now for your favourite player, say Hoskins, will extend his lead in the competition. However if that one vote went to Leonard they'd reduce Hoskins lead. You do not have to be an evil genius to work that out.

Anyway, I did that last season, not this. Bored with it now.
Now! More fun trying to read Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E. Lawrence!  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2023, 10:40:55 am
For every one of us, it's all about 'pension' when you get to a certain age, especially in the short career as a footballer.
He needs to make a decision at the right time, when he is likely to receive the greatest amount.
He'll be 31 in February, he may be at the peak of his value with his current goal tally and consistency.
If an offer comes in, does he gamble by staying and hoping for more at a later date when he'll be another year older, or take the ' bird in the hand' in the January or summer 2024 transfer windows?
He's been fortunate with injuries and hopefully continues to be so, but the older you get the less is the resistance.
Whatever he decides, good luck to him and his family, he's done well here and deserves the opportunity.
And as Marvo said, NTFC will continue, like we have over the many years, when our previous 'star players' have departed.

One or two assumptions in this opinion Deepo! Regarding the situation on Player 'Pensions' it appears to me that Hoskins by virtue of contract extension well may have sorted that issue oiut? For me Hoskins seems to exhibit an apparent good level of common sense, althoagh some would argue his propensity for attracting non important Yellow Cards might be an irritant ! To suggest Hoskins deserves the opportunity to cash in on his new found fame is an worthwhile observation but I fear we maybe misjudging his character, level of common sence and perhaps above all his IQ level.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 14, 2023, 10:57:50 am
Confessions of a true narcissist.
Imagine if everyone ruined things, just because they could.

I didn't ruin it, how could I? You don't think Appere was a worthy winner?

1) If people voted in their numbers nobody could manipulate it. It's hardly my fault so few bother.
2) I couldn't ensure anybody won, I have only one vote, I just used it wisely to help the player in second spot. Plenty of other people MUST have voted for Appere throughout the season.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 14, 2023, 11:05:03 am
You’re obviously an intelligent guy, I just think think you’ve let yourself down a bit. Still, if you’re comfortable with it then alls well that ends well. As you’ve alluded to, it’s not the end of the world. At least Sammy now knows he would have won, and the winner wasn’t. So to your credit at least you put the record straight.

Thank you for the compliment.

However I don't agree with your conclusion. I have only one vote, same as everybody else. If I had multiple identities you might have a point but I don't. It was up to me who I voted for, the same as it was up to everybody else who they voted for. Level playing field, Appere won fair and square. He got more points.

I honestly don't think Hoskins would care one jot one way or another. It isn't like he lost £1,000 prize money.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2023, 11:10:41 am
I was waiting for the 'N' word to make an appearance.

Considering he is someone who cares very deeply about the feelings of players, imagine how poor Louis feels today knowing he has to give his trophy back.  :P

"Did I predict that or are you talking about that contest we had where people voted for what they thought would happen?" as WR points out, that is funny in isolation.  ;D

The most annoying thing is that I now have to start voting for Sir Sammy every game regardless.  :P

Remember chaps, it's just a message board. It is just banter, well it always is from my perspective. Tis true that Marvo dishes plenty out and think he has a secret man crush on the little fella.

Regarding voting am not entirely sure if all ifollow adherents deserve a full voting point for MOM. Of course that includes me for going awol on long away games. I did put a query on this very subject to the current MOM moderator; proposing a 1/2 point vote for those who love their sofa and have a negative/tyrannical view on the game/or players. Of coirse those with infirmity issues, chronic travel distance values and the cost of living crisis are excused.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 14, 2023, 11:30:46 am
Regarding voting am not entirely sure if all ifollow adherents dererve a full voting point for MOM. Of course that includes me for going awol on long away games. I did put a query to the MOM modurator on this very subject; proposing a 1/2 point vote for those who love their sofa and have a negative/tyrannical view on the game/or players. Of coirse those with infirmity issues, chronic distance values and the cost of living crisis are exused.

I agree, apart from those on ifollow should get double points as they clearly have a better view of what’s going on.  :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 14, 2023, 11:36:30 am
I agree, apart from those on ifollow should get double points as they clearly have a better view of what’s going on.  :P

Ummmh - why distort the voting pattern ::)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 14, 2023, 11:57:53 am
Thank you for the compliment.

However I don't agree with your conclusion. I have only one vote, same as everybody else. If I had multiple identities you might have a point but I don't. It was up to me who I voted for, the same as it was up to everybody else who they voted for. Level playing field, Appere won fair and square. He got more points.

I honestly don't think Hoskins would care one jot one way or another. It isn't like he lost £1,000 prize money.
The poll specifically asks you to vote for your mom, it doesn’t ask you to vote for someone who isn’t, to prevent a result you do not favour. The spin you are putting on this is nonsensical and I don’t believe that’s entering into the spirt of it. Hardly the end of the world, but the standards you set for yourself are apparently a bit different to mine.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 14, 2023, 12:57:30 pm
Regarding voting am not entirely sure if all ifollow adherents deserve a full voting point for MOM. Of course that includes me for going awol on long away games. I did put a query on this very subject to the current MOM moderator; proposing a 1/2 point vote for those who love their sofa and have a negative/tyrannical view on the game/or players. Of coirse those with infirmity issues, chronic travel distance values and the cost of living crisis are excused.

To save you soiling yourself, how about I wont bother voting any more? I mean, there's currently 3,441 members on here, yet only 20 have bothered to cast a vote in the latest MotM poll. Will that suffice?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Monkey on December 14, 2023, 13:56:01 pm
To save you soiling yourself, how about I wont bother voting any more? I mean, there's currently 3,441 members on here, yet only 20 have bothered to cast a vote in the latest MotM poll. Will that suffice?

Obviously vote if you want to, but just do it in the correct spirit.

I'm sure most of us have "tactical voted" in a general election etc, but tactical voting on the POTS feels like a completely unjustified vendetta that I can only think you are pursuing because of one (or more) of the following reasons:
1) You're desperately trying to validate your previous opinions
2) You're generally bitter and nasty (which i don't think you are)
3) Sammy is banging your wife

Fair play for admitting your indiscretion, but perhaps ask yourself what your motives are and admit that whatever it is, it's probably not a healthy/cool thing to do. Unless he is banging your wife, in which case, I think it's fair enough. As MC said, this isnt that big a deal, but I imagine you would call someone out for it, if the shoe was on the other foot.

p.s. I actually think you get an unneccesarilly hard time from posters on here regarding other matters, so don't want this to seem like more unfair bashing/bullying. Therefore, I'd like to say that I really appreciate you taking the time in posting stats and facts and I generally find your football related posts interesting reading thank you.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 14, 2023, 14:58:17 pm
Obviously vote if you want to, but just do it in the correct spirit.

I'm sure most of us have "tactical voted" in a general election etc, but tactical voting on the POTS feels like a completely unjustified vendetta that I can only think you are pursuing because of one (or more) of the following reasons:
1) You're desperately trying to validate your previous opinions
2) You're generally bitter and nasty (which i don't think you are)
3) Sammy is banging your wife

Fair play for admitting your indiscretion, but perhaps ask yourself what your motives are and admit that whatever it is, it's probably not a healthy/cool thing to do. Unless he is banging your wife, in which case, I think it's fair enough. As MC said, this isnt that big a deal, but I imagine you would call someone out for it, if the shoe was on the other foot.

p.s. I actually think you get an unneccesarilly hard time from posters on here regarding other matters, so don't want this to seem like more unfair bashing/bullying. Therefore, I'd like to say that I really appreciate you taking the time in posting stats and facts and I generally find your football related posts interesting reading thank you.

4) To see if I could. (Didn't think I'd be able to do it)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 14, 2023, 15:31:48 pm
I wouldn’t worry, it didn’t decide the vote.
He voted for Hoskins, he voted for others when the votes went to Appere.

It’s a bit like saying that a missed pen defined the whole season.  :P


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on December 14, 2023, 16:43:56 pm

Numbers is my thing.



You do like amassing statistics but I'm afraid you dont seem to understand or know what to do with them.
It's rather like a person buying hundreds of footballs and then claiming to be a great footballer.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 14, 2023, 17:05:54 pm

You do like amassing statistics but I'm afraid you dont seem to understand or know what to do with them.
It's rather like a person buying hundreds of footballs and then claiming to be a great footballer.


I don't want to do anything with them. They are there for others.

They are just a reference.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on December 15, 2023, 16:28:35 pm
I don't want to do anything with them. They are there for others.


And a rather flaccid stick to beat Sam Hoskins


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 15, 2023, 16:47:19 pm
And a rather flaccid stick to beat Sam Hoskins

Wow. What a ridiculous comment. Stats are just stats and I'd say at the moment Hoskins stats speak for themselves. I'm not sure anyone could expect them to be any better, not even Sam himself. You're weird.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gustavo Palcrice on December 15, 2023, 19:03:42 pm
Statistics can be interpreted in a variety of ways to support any argument. They should be regarded with cynicism and suspicion. Or, at least 97% of the time.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 15, 2023, 19:49:14 pm
Statistics can be interpreted in a variety of ways to support any argument. They should be regarded with cynicism and suspicion. Or, at least 97% of the time.

Stats are just facts. The Cobblers have won 4 of the last 5. That's a stat and a fact. The reader can make of it what they will but there's no disputing that.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gustavo Palcrice on December 15, 2023, 20:12:11 pm
Stats are just facts. The Cobblers have won 4 of the last 5. That's a stat and a fact. The reader can make of it what they will but there's no disputing that.


Statistics are not facts, they are numerical data. They can be used in many ways to analyse or infer an opinion but cannot be confused with truth. In your example you could equally say cobblers have lost 4 of their last 5 away fixtures.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 15, 2023, 20:17:46 pm
Sam is a great player isn't he? His star continues to rise  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 15, 2023, 20:54:40 pm
Statistics are not facts, they are numerical data. They can be used in many ways to analyse or infer an opinion but cannot be confused with truth. In your example you could equally say cobblers have lost 4 of their last 5 away fixtures.

And that would be a fact too then you idiot.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gustavo Palcrice on December 15, 2023, 22:27:06 pm
And that would be a fact too then you idiot.

I am not sure why you feel the need to be abusive. The example I gave was not a fact, it was a statistic. If I said 'the UK left the EU in 2020' then that would be a fact. If I said the UK left the EU once every 43 years that would be a statistic. If we joined again and left in another 50 years then suddenly we would have a new statistic and ironically two facts.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 15, 2023, 22:51:50 pm
I am not sure why you feel the need to be abusive.

Perhaps he was exasperated by arguing the truth with you, so decided to address you as you are coming across…


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 15, 2023, 23:04:00 pm
you could equally say cobblers have lost 4 of their last 5 away fixtures.

The example I gave was not a fact, it was a statistic.

Have the Cobblers lost 4 of their last 5 away fixtures. Yes they have. That is a fact! If you can't see that then there is really no point in continuing with this conversation.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 16, 2023, 00:50:41 am
I am not sure why you feel the need to be abusive. The example I gave was not a fact, it was a statistic. If I said 'the UK left the EU in 2020' then that would be a fact. If I said the UK left the EU once every 43 years that would be a statistic. If we joined again and left in another 50 years then suddenly we would have a new statistic and ironically two facts.
If they left twice and rejoined once that’s 3 facts, just saying.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 16, 2023, 07:22:39 am
I wonder if Sam will add to his goal tally today?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2023, 07:49:41 am
Have the Cobblers lost 4 of their last 5 away fixtures. Yes they have. That is a fact! If you can't see that then there is really no point in continuing with this conversation.

Interesting discussion .


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2023, 08:03:38 am
Perhaps he was exasperated by arguing the truth with you, so decided to address you as you are coming across…

I find this an interesting discussion but to use exasperation as an excuse to resort to abuse is a poor argument.
Marcos Aurelius never resorted  to abusive tactics even though he had his fair share of idiots!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on December 16, 2023, 08:23:31 am
I wonder if Sam will add to his goal tally today?

Undoubtedly, looking forward to celebrating it with an animated embrace with Evers! It will be the best £30 I have ever spent, if you will pardon the pun.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2023, 08:32:27 am
Undoubtedly, looking forward to celebrating it with an animated embrace with Evers! It will be the best £30 I have ever spent, if you will pardon the pun.

You are letting your left wing fantasies getting a foot hold on your creative Liberal  tendencies……IMO😎


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on December 16, 2023, 08:45:22 am
You are letting your left wing fantasies getting a foot hold on your creative Liberal  tendencies……IMO😎

You and me together, Evers, for ever! See you later.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 16, 2023, 09:39:59 am
You and me together, Evers, for ever! See you later.
Now there’s a thought 🥳


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gustavo Palcrice on December 16, 2023, 11:05:31 am
Have the Cobblers lost 4 of their last 5 away fixtures. Yes they have. That is a fact! If you can't see that then there is really no point in continuing with this conversation.

Facts cannot be disputed and cannot change. If/when the Cobblers win today then they will have lost 3 of their last 5 away fixtures and the statistics will have changed not the facts.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Gustavo Palcrice on December 16, 2023, 11:10:18 am
Perhaps he was exasperated by arguing the truth with you, so decided to address you as you are coming across…

I would call it a debate and resorting to name-calling. You on the other hand  are jumping on someone else's back without any valuable input. That is just bullying.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 16, 2023, 11:26:57 am
Facts cannot be disputed and cannot change. If/when the Cobblers win today then they will have lost 3 of their last 5 away fixtures and the statistics will have changed not the facts.

You do talk nonsense. I may have done a great disservice to all the other idiots by calling you to their ranks. You're on a whole new level.

Of course facts can change. Say, the Cobblers hadn't lost this season. That would be the fact. Say they lost today. The original fact is no longer a fact, so the fact has changed.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 16, 2023, 11:32:17 am
Will Super Sam score in both halves?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2023, 11:35:08 am
I would call it a debate and resorting to name-calling. You on the other hand  are jumping on someone else's back without any valuable input. That is just bullying.

Am beginning to warm to you! Appreciate lyour command of English Grammar! Your style does remind me of a former well known poster!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 16, 2023, 11:38:15 am
I find this an interesting discussion but to use exasperation as an excuse to resort to abuse is a poor argument.
Marcos Aurelius never resorted  to abusive tactics even though he had his fair share of idiots!

Would that be abuse calling them “idiots” Evers?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2023, 11:42:48 am
Will Super Sam score in both halves?

How about extra time - makes the pain even sweeter!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 16, 2023, 11:45:35 am
How about extra time - makes the pain even sweeter!

He does have a bit of previous for that malarkey! I'm sure there's a statistic available for it  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2023, 12:45:42 pm
Would that be abuse calling them “idiots” Evers?

Of course of it is,  that’s why  you  called me out for calling out Teachers Pet and you quite rightly asked me to apologise which I did!

Honestly the double standards on here are frightening!😎


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Worthless Recluse on December 16, 2023, 18:26:09 pm
Facts cannot be disputed and cannot change. If/when the Cobblers win today then they will have lost 3 of their last 5 away fixtures and the statistics will have changed not the facts.
I'm with you all of the way on this hombre. I was taught this sh*t many moons ago and what you say is exactly how I remember it.
Although in separate sphere, I've heard it argued that a fact is only ever a theory waiting to be disproved.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2023, 18:35:49 pm
I'm with you all of the way on this hombre. I was taught this sh*t many moons ago and what you say is exactly how I remember it.
Although in separate sphere, I've heard it argued that a fact is only ever a theory waiting to be disproved.

You two brothers?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Worthless Recluse on December 17, 2023, 08:51:01 am
You two brothers?
Not unless he's my sister.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Larry on December 17, 2023, 20:35:22 pm
I don't want to do anything with them. They are there for others.

They are just a reference.

Statistics without context are nothing more than squiggles on a page.
You spend time amassing these numbers but I'm afraid you then abuse them to drive an agenda.
It's been almost an hour since I scored a goal for The Cobblers - FACT


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 17, 2023, 21:44:33 pm
Statistics without context are nothing more than squiggles on a page.
You spend time amassing these numbers but I'm afraid you then abuse them to drive an agenda.
It's been almost an hour since I scored a goal for The Cobblers - FACT


I don't know what your problem is, other than you're obviously troubled. However from this point I no longer do "statistics", just deal in facts.

The FACTS on this site are there for everybody to use and reference as they see fit. I've no agenda. How could I have, I'm just one person or are you claiming now I have some special influence on here? I don't see it myself.

NOTE TO MODERATORS: Could you please change the title on my section from NTFC STATS to NTFC RECORDS please? Much Obliged.
 


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemaker on December 17, 2023, 22:47:39 pm
I don't know what your problem is, other than you're obviously troubled. However from this point I no longer do "statistics", just deal in facts.

The FACTS on this site are there for everybody to use and reference as they see fit. I've no agenda. How could I have, I'm just one person or are you claiming now I have some special influence on here? I don't see it myself.

NOTE TO MODERATORS: Could you please change the title on my section from NTFC STATS to NTFS RECORDS please? Much Obliged.
 
What does NTFS stand for?
Is it an error?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on December 18, 2023, 06:26:33 am
What does NTFS stand for?
Is it an error?

Northampton Town Factual Statistics.

Obviously. Have you not been following the thread?


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 18, 2023, 07:10:13 am
People power  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemaker on December 18, 2023, 07:55:15 am
Northampton Town Factual Statistics.

Obviously. Have you not been following the thread?

No
I just hope Sam keeps banging them in  ;D
The more he scores the more the stats change


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on December 18, 2023, 07:58:51 am
I know that some people take exception to Marvo.

But some of the posts to him over the past couple of pages are genuinely some of the stupidest that I have ever read on this forum.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 18, 2023, 08:53:03 am
Of course facts are used to determine stats. New facts happen, stats change. Samples of facts can be used to publish stats to support a certain view point. Mark Twain had it covered.

Anyway, I have tried to decipher the actual 'argument' but all it has done is detracted from a thread dedicated to the greatest Cobbler in our life time...FACT  :P

 


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 18, 2023, 09:29:05 am
I know that some people take exception to Marvo.

But some of the posts to him over the past couple of pages are genuinely some of the stupidest that I have ever read on this forum.

Couldn't agree more.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: threeinabed on December 18, 2023, 09:37:55 am
I am not sure why you feel the need to be abusive. The example I gave was not a fact, it was a statistic. If I said 'the UK left the EU in 2020' then that would be a fact. If I said the UK left the EU once every 43 years that would be a statistic. If we joined again and left in another 50 years then suddenly we would have a new statistic and ironically two facts.

what a bonkers argument. absolutely ridiculous. i am not even sure you understand what you are saying.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: threeinabed on December 18, 2023, 09:39:19 am
I know that some people take exception to Marvo.

But some of the posts to him over the past couple of pages are genuinely some of the stupidest that I have ever read on this forum.

this


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemaker on December 18, 2023, 11:39:49 am
You keep going marvo if stats float ya boat
I like to read the stuff once in a while


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 18, 2023, 11:42:04 am
I like to mention Sam Hoskins occasionally, after all that's what this topic is about


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: cobbler151 on December 18, 2023, 12:02:47 pm
John Frain took alot of free kicks for us.

I don't know what his assist/goal ratio with his free kicks was.

I just remember the one that mattered.

Whatever Sam's stats are, I'll remember for bagging twenty goals in a season and playing every position he was told to, in what's turning out to be a good career for lower league pro with us.





Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 18, 2023, 12:05:36 pm
I like to mention Sam Hoskins occasionally, after all that's what this topic is about

Go on then.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 18, 2023, 12:16:34 pm
Go on then.
I do, occasionally  ;)


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2023, 12:27:25 pm
what a bonkers argument. absolutely ridiculous. i am not even sure you understand what you are saying.

Am not sure you do! The Great Statician does resort to abusive comments and clearly Patrice was an unfortunate victim in this instance. He deserves an apology; I was asked after the Teachers Pet incident and conformed to this reasonable request.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 18, 2023, 12:37:10 pm
Am not sure you do! The Great Statician does resort to abusive comments and clearly Patrice was an unfortunate victim in this instance. He deserves an apology; I was asked after the Teachers Pet incident and conformed to this reasonable request.

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on December 18, 2023, 13:03:32 pm
John Frain took alot of free kicks for us.

I don't know what his assist/goal ratio with his free kicks was.

I just remember the one that mattered.

Whatever Sam's stats are, I'll remember for bagging twenty goals in a season and playing every position he was told to, in what's turning out to be a good career for lower league pro with us.





This.

That free kick that mattered lead to my fondest footballing memory and therefore one of the most important moments of my life.

If we become a constant mid table League One side - there are many on here who would welcome that, Super Sam's final goal of last season might be some supporters best football memory. Imagine if we never got promoted again! I know that people don't like getting relegated, but the roller coaster existence that we tend to have is exciting, it gives us the occasional promotion every few years. Imagine not having those exciting seasons ever again. Consigned to a life time of mid table obscurity.

Apologies for getting all philosophical, I am sitting in hospital waiting for my turn to go under the surgeon's knife. Alas not a brain transplant or I might be gaining some intelligence.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2023, 13:29:32 pm
This.

That free kick that mattered lead to my fondest footballing memory and therefore one of the most important moments of my life.

If we become a constant mid table League One side - there are many on here who would welcome that, Super Sam's final goal of last season might be some supporters best football memory. Imagine if we never got promoted again! I know that people don't like getting relegated, but the roller coaster existence that we tend to have is exciting, it gives us the occasional promotion every few years. Imagine not having those exciting seasons ever again. Consigned to a life time of mid table obscurity.

Apologies for getting all philosophical, I am sitting in hospital waiting for my turn to go under the surgeon's knife. Alas not a brain transplant or I might be gaining some intelligence.


Best of Luck from us all ! Perhaps we might see you at Stevenage.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Shoemaker on December 18, 2023, 15:55:21 pm
This.

That free kick that mattered lead to my fondest footballing memory and therefore one of the most important moments of my life.

If we become a constant mid table League One side - there are many on here who would welcome that, Super Sam's final goal of last season might be some supporters best football memory. Imagine if we never got promoted again! I know that people don't like getting relegated, but the roller coaster existence that we tend to have is exciting, it gives us the occasional promotion every few years. Imagine not having those exciting seasons ever again. Consigned to a life time of mid table obscurity.

Apologies for getting all philosophical, I am sitting in hospital waiting for my turn to go under the surgeon's knife. Alas not a brain transplant or I might be gaining some intelligence.
Hope everything goes well.
You’ll soon be back watching again


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 18, 2023, 19:43:50 pm

Apologies for getting all philosophical, I am sitting in hospital waiting for my turn to go under the surgeon's knife. Alas not a brain transplant or I might be gaining some intelligence.

Hope that it all went well under the knife.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on December 18, 2023, 19:55:39 pm
This.

That free kick that mattered lead to my fondest footballing memory and therefore one of the most important moments of my life.

If we become a constant mid table League One side - there are many on here who would welcome that, Super Sam's final goal of last season might be some supporters best football memory. Imagine if we never got promoted again! I know that people don't like getting relegated, but the roller coaster existence that we tend to have is exciting, it gives us the occasional promotion every few years. Imagine not having those exciting seasons ever again. Consigned to a life time of mid table obscurity.

Apologies for getting all philosophical, I am sitting in hospital waiting for my turn to go under the surgeon's knife. Alas not a brain transplant or I might be gaining some intelligence.
All the best Bingers 👍


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on December 18, 2023, 20:06:23 pm
Yes, speedy recovery wise old sage.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 18, 2023, 20:08:03 pm
All the best Bingers


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 18, 2023, 23:16:16 pm
All the best Bingers.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on December 19, 2023, 08:01:07 am

Apologies for getting all philosophical, I am sitting in hospital waiting for my turn to go under the surgeon's knife. Alas not a brain transplant or I might be gaining some intelligence.


All the best brother Bingers. I hope they looked after you and that you are fit and well for Xmas with the family.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Bingers on December 19, 2023, 08:21:55 am
Thanks for the messages. Back home with the usual number of arms, legs etc, so that is good. Won't be able to do owt for a bit, so no chance of Stevenage - that was never going to happen. Going to have to miss Lincoln, which was on my original plan of matches - Super Sam's last match for us before his exchange deal with Brentford where we get Ivan Toney for a rest of season loan to get him back up to speed again.

Generally, for the next few weeks I am going to be bored and have to spend my time posting utter drivel on here. Plus ça change!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Clarity on December 19, 2023, 10:08:59 am
Thanks for the messages. Back home with the usual number of arms, legs etc, so that is good. Won't be able to do owt for a bit, so no chance of Stevenage - that was never going to happen. Going to have to miss Lincoln, which was on my original plan of matches - Super Sam's last match for us before his exchange deal with Brentford where we get Ivan Toney for a rest of season loan to get him back up to speed again.

Generally, for the next few weeks I am going to be bored and have to spend my time posting utter drivel on here. Plus ça change!
Remember, there's no i in Bangers  ;D


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: WadeyCobbler on December 22, 2023, 08:33:26 am
Saw Super Sam in Tesco Weston Favell yesterday evening. Wanted to have a selfie with him. Mentioned this to my wife who didn't share the same enthusiasm as me. Needless to say I never got to have my selfie with the meastro :(


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on December 22, 2023, 08:54:52 am
A man of the people.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Manwork04 on December 22, 2023, 10:27:52 am
Fully expect him to go in the Jan window.
Running costs.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 22, 2023, 11:26:20 am
As long as he goes to a championship club! I wish him well should he go


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on December 23, 2023, 06:54:34 am
No one would begrudge him a move up the leagues of a decent offer came in after all his service here


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on December 23, 2023, 07:02:35 am
No we couldn’t, I hope he sees out his career playing for the Cobblers, but if the opportunity arose for him he would be silly not to take it


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on December 23, 2023, 12:23:35 pm
Please god don't let him go to Peterborough in an exchange for Clarke-Harris.

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/bristol-rovers-no-longer-interested-in-jonson-clarke-harris-but-other-league-one-clubs-are-and-barry-fry-on-kioso-situation-and-players-who-want-to-stay-and-get-the-job-done-4455810


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 23, 2023, 12:58:52 pm
Well, there is zero chance of us spending £800k unless we're selling Hoskins for £2m, and even then I think it'd be better just using that money to get better quality free agents and spread it out on 3 or 4 options.

A League One club with the ability to spend almost 6 figures that isn't going for promotion narrows it down a lot. Reading and Wigan might be obvious shouts, maybe Carlisle if they takeover leaves them with a lot of money.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: west stand oap on December 23, 2023, 18:01:48 pm
I may be wrong but I thought that Reading were not able to sign any players for a fee in the next transfer windows.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on January 13, 2024, 16:33:18 pm
=4th overall appearances with Edwin Freeman
=7th overall goals with Tommy Bloody Fowler!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: itsme on January 13, 2024, 18:45:56 pm
On the appearance front 4th is the highest he can go this season for


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Dan on January 13, 2024, 18:57:07 pm
Genuinely remember the day he was signed in 2015 and thought meh, he was completely average at Yeovil.

The achievements he has made for us are actually pretty incredible to be honest 😂 If asked back then, I’d have said he’d be canned off after one season.

Huge congratulations.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: guest3649 on January 13, 2024, 19:51:03 pm
He's done himself proud!


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on January 24, 2024, 10:41:21 am
Here again?

Overtaken Fowler to move into 7th in overall goals. Up next in his sights, the two Berts. Lewis and Dawes.

(just the 7 goals away from FRANK LARGE ...before the end of the season?)

Oh and also moved into 4th on the all-time appearances. Forgot about that.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: DavCobb on January 24, 2024, 11:56:13 am
Great goal last night. You could say woeful defending but found space and planted himself in the ideal position. Tons more composure than the previous player he was.
Not too shabby from Simpson either. That wasn't finished like a player who has struggled to find the net. If he can do that a bit more often it'll help our cause.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 24, 2024, 12:22:58 pm
Great goal last night. You could say woeful defending but found space and planted himself in the ideal position. Tons more composure than the previous player he was.
Not too shabby from Simpson either. That wasn't finished like a player who has struggled to find the net. If he can do that a bit more often it'll help our cause.

The Charlton commentators were staggered by that. Hoskins move to roughly where he scored from ages before the ball comes to him but at no point did any defender bother coming within several feet of him. You would have thought they'd be keeping a close eye on not only our top scorer but also one of the top scorers in the division.


Title: Re: The Rise of Sam Hoskins
Post by: Saint Cobbler on January 24, 2024, 12:59:03 pm