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The Hotel End => Cobblers Corner => Topic started by: Coolcat on October 05, 2021, 19:39:37 pm



Title: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Coolcat on October 05, 2021, 19:39:37 pm
So, back to the real bread & butter!
Having driven up to Dumfries last weekend, it's another long haul to Hartlepool!
Not a great place is being diplomatic, so staying this time in Durham. Train via Newcastle and into Hartlepool for around 12.30pm. The station bar is good, seems the Cameron's pub near the ground has closed down!

Hartlepool currently getting bossed around by Morecambe...I'll go for 1-1.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 05, 2021, 19:41:22 pm
I predict another loss and mounting pressure of Mr 'bums on seats forward thinking 4-4-2'


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest2995 on October 06, 2021, 05:35:14 am
so it was an improved performance against Walsall but ….
we played with round pegs in round holes and 4 attacking midfield players .
The likelihood on Saturday is that we will revert to defensive midfielders in the middle and Hoskins returning.
Maybe the selection needs to be braver to make us less predictable .
Faith and trust in some players seems to have gone .


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: CobblersToMePod on October 06, 2021, 08:12:10 am
Would Revan or Dyche be in for a start if Guthrie is still out on Saturday based on last night's performance?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: threeinabed on October 06, 2021, 10:03:17 am
I predict another loss and mounting pressure of Mr 'bums on seats forward thinking 4-4-2'

what are your thoughts on the teams in the premier league, teams who have been there for years on end who play 4-4-2?

are they as outdated?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: west stand oap on October 06, 2021, 11:33:04 am
2 teams currently in poor form, we have only 1 win from our last 5 league game and Hartlepool have not won any of their last 4. 13 of the 14 points Hartlepool have gained have come at home but the 4 wins are all against teams from the lower half of the table (Crawley 1-0, Walsall 2-0, Carlisle 2-1 and Bristol Rovers 1-0). In their last home game they drew 1-1 with Exeter. However, our record at Hartlepool must be 1 of our worst on the road.
As we appear to get outnumbered in midfield playing 442 with 2 central midfielders I would be tempted to play a loan striker in a 4231.
                                                                      Roberts
       
                    McGowan            Horsfall                Guthrie or Revan               Koiki

                                                 Sowerby                            McWilliams

                                Hoskins                            Lewis                         Pinnock or Connolly

                                                                       Etete








Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 06, 2021, 12:19:20 pm
I predict another loss and mounting pressure of Mr 'bums on seats forward thinking 4-4-2'
Unfortunately I’m beginning to agree, although it’s not easy trying to make a formula one car out of a garage full of rusty old mini parts.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: west stand oap on October 06, 2021, 13:11:48 pm
Manny - do you see any relevance in the referee for this game, Ben Toner (Bent Owner)?.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3429 on October 06, 2021, 15:45:25 pm
Manny - do you see any relevance in the referee for this game, Ben Toner (Bent Owner)?.

This is no platform for homophobia. Very sad.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 06, 2021, 16:25:15 pm
Its a 400 mile round trip to the North East this Saturday (for those travelling from Northampton at least) to renew our rivalries with Hartlepool United. Hartlepools...as they used to be known, were formed in 1908 and took over the old amateur side West Hartlepool, presumably two became one hence the plural!

They have never played above the third tier in English football, though they were at that level for eight out of nine seasons as recently as 2013. Relegation to League 2 was followed in 2017 by relegation to the Conference. After an unspectacular first three years at that level (15th, 16th, 12th) success finally came back last season as they beat Torquay United at Ashton Gate in the playoff final.

This season has again been unspectacular, they sit 13th with four wins, four defeats and two draws. They have only scored nine goals in their 10 games, but have conceded the same number. That is an identical record to us.
All four wins have come at home, they have drawn two games including a Papa Johns game with Morecambe last night, their only defeat at Victoria Park came in the EFL Cup to Crewe.

Dave Challinor is the man at the helm, the long time Fylde manager took over in November last year and has overseen 25 wins in his 54 games in charge this far. He won four promotions during his time at Fylde, guiding the side from the Northern League Division 1 North through to the premier to the Conference North and then into the Conference itself, he also oversaw their FA Trophy win in 2019 and had his team just 90 minutes from the Football League before defeat to Salford in that years playoff final.

Cobblers connections present are limited to goalkeeper Jonathan Mitchell, although he is yet to make a league appearance he has featured in all their cup games including that 2-2 draw with Morecambe last night.

Tyler Burey is their top league goalscorer with three although the Millwall loanee is currently sidelined with a hamstring injury and has been out for four weeks now. Gavan Holohan is next in the list with two but he wnet off injured in the same game as Burey, this time with a groin injury, and he hasn't featured since either.

Head to head over the years.....as OAP alludes to, we don't have much success at their place but overall the two teams have met on 67 occasions and we lead 28 to 24 in the wins column. This will be our first visit to Victoria Park since 2016, that game ended goalless in front of a crowd of 4012. Four straight defeats prior to that and not a goal scored, so we have to go back to February 2008 to find our last goal and win....a 1-0 success thanks to substitute Giles Coke's 82nd minute strike. There have been 34 games in all competitions between us at Victoria Park and we have won just 5, losing in 23 others.....not a happy hunting ground.

Ben Toner will take charge of the game, the Lancashire based whistler has handled 11 games this season, giving out just 23 yellows and one red card. Last seasons totals were 96 yellows in 32 games along with two reds. We last crossed swords with him at Wimbledon in March of this year, we escaped without a booking in our 1-0 defeat there.
His last Hartlepool assignment was actually the game that sent them down to the Conference.....defeat at Cheltenham back in April 2017.





Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: west stand oap on October 06, 2021, 17:11:07 pm
SMMassey - what is sad is your interpretation of my post, the word bent has other meanings than your interpretation of prejudice against gay people which had not even crossed my mind, it probably shows how your mind works. My post was meant to be a light hearted question to Manny as given his posting history I expected a witty reply.
Look in the dictionary and educate yourself and stop considering yourself to be able to tell people what they can and cant post.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Coolcat on October 06, 2021, 18:27:44 pm
SMMassey - what is sad is your interpretation of my post, the word bent has other meanings than your interpretation of prejudice against gay people which had not even crossed my mind, it probably shows how your mind works. My post was meant to be a light hearted question to Manny as given his posting history I expected a witty reply.
Look in the dictionary and educate yourself and stop considering yourself to be able to tell people what they can and cant post.
If you have been reading other threads, it should occur to you that in all likelihood, Steve Massey is being very tongue in cheek or at least a large slice of irony!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: west stand oap on October 06, 2021, 19:13:33 pm
Coolcat - yes I have read other threads and said poster has a habit of calling other posters sad.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 06, 2021, 21:42:46 pm
This ref was in the news before in connection with his name.....he was selected to ref the first Blackpool game following the case against the Oystons......

https://talksport.com/football/309721/ben-toner-replaced-referee-blackpool-game-efl-deny-its-due-his-name-171111261681/


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Coolcat on October 07, 2021, 09:59:39 am
'The importance of having the right attitude and regaining the winning mentality'

Join Jon Brady on his next installment, this Saturday at 5pm.

 :P


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: singcobb on October 07, 2021, 13:32:09 pm
I certainly wont be having a flutter on us this weekend.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 07, 2021, 14:53:36 pm
Either 0-0 or 0-1 depending on Guthrie’s availability.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Smoking Boots on October 07, 2021, 20:02:35 pm
I certainly wont be having a flutter on us this weekend.

Nil Nil then..


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 07, 2021, 20:10:52 pm
Picked my tickets up earlier....we'd sold 140 as of today.

For anyone who missed the news, the game IS available on IFollow this week due to it being an international weekend (I know right?)

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2021/october/hartlepool_live/


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3429 on October 08, 2021, 02:51:07 am
If you have been reading other threads, it should occur to you that in all likelihood, Steve Massey is being very tongue in cheek or at least a large slice of irony!

Thank you Coolcat, I concur!

No harm intended and no animals have suffered due to my posts, only OAPs it seems  ;D

Good luck to all those making the long trip up to the North Sea, Ive suffered the trip several times and still not quite thawed out. From here, Hartlepool is actually marginally closer than Northampton being only 6,108 miles away as opposed to 6,138, I really should be making the effort!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 08, 2021, 05:48:05 am
what are your thoughts on the teams in the premier league, teams who have been there for years on end who play 4-4-2?

are they as outdated?

Yes 😊 If it works for them though, who am I to judge.

It doesn't for us.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Baldy on October 08, 2021, 07:07:22 am
Thank you Coolcat, I concur!

No harm intended and no animals have suffered due to my posts, only OAPs it seems  ;D

Good luck to all those making the long trip up to the North Sea, Ive suffered the trip several times and still not quite thawed out. From here, Hartlepool is actually marginally closer than Northampton being only 6,108 miles away as opposed to 6,138, I really should be making the effort!

Part timer!!!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Coolcat on October 08, 2021, 09:13:51 am
Thank you Coolcat, I concur!

No harm intended and no animals have suffered due to my posts, only OAPs it seems  ;D

Good luck to all those making the long trip up to the North Sea, Ive suffered the trip several times and still not quite thawed out. From here, Hartlepool is actually marginally closer than Northampton being only 6,108 miles away as opposed to 6,138, I really should be making the effort!

Rather frustratingly for me (clothes attire wise) it's forecast to be around 19-20C on Saturday...I'd actually welcome a more traditional Hartlepool climate!  ;D


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3429 on October 08, 2021, 09:27:03 am
Rather frustratingly for me (clothes attire wise) it's forecast to be around 19-20C on Saturday...I'd actually welcome a more traditional Hartlepool climate!  ;D

Bloody hell, its not much warmer here, the weathers terrible! Better take some suncream you'll get the glare off The North Sea. Maybe that's where Jeff Stelling gets his tan after all?  8)

First time I went I swear it was -20, Tuesday night 1985? Force 10 gale off the sea and the whole bus load of us, maybe 40 odd all huddled under one giant Union Jack for protection, Geema at the front as he obviously had a brolly.  ;D

Fantastic!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 08, 2021, 15:57:50 pm
First time I went I swear it was -20, Tuesday night 1985? Force 10 gale off the sea and the whole bus load of us, maybe 40 odd all huddled under one giant Union Jack for protection, Geema at the front as he obviously had a brolly.  ;D

Fantastic!
If its cold that you want, try Basingstoke. Those that were there, will know.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 08, 2021, 16:05:49 pm
If its cold that you want, try Basingstoke. Those that were there, will know.


Snow, Ice, Frost.... blimey, even my cup of Bovril had frozen by the time the half time break was done.....


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 08, 2021, 17:19:02 pm
It was so cold that night it was about a week before I next found my old man.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: west stand oap on October 08, 2021, 18:46:31 pm
Unfortunately it is most unlikely that Jonathon Mitchell will be between the sticks for Hartlepool tomorrow.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Coolcat on October 08, 2021, 21:20:17 pm
In Durham now. Had a brilliant time in the Victoria Inn chatting with Sunderland, Rotherham and Spurs fans... Hartlepool tomorrow, via Newcastle!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 09, 2021, 13:08:58 pm
Cobblers: Roberts, McGowan, Guthrie, Horsfall, Koiki, Sowerby, Lewis, McWilliams, Pinnock, Hoskins, Etet


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Clarity on October 09, 2021, 13:18:42 pm
Cobblers: Roberts, McGowan, Guthrie, Horsfall, Koiki, Sowerby, Lewis, McWilliams, Pinnock, Hoskins, Etet
No Rose in the squad and no mention of injury?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3063 on October 09, 2021, 13:20:19 pm
Cobblers: Roberts, McGowan, Guthrie, Horsfall, Koiki, Sowerby, Lewis, McWilliams, Pinnock, Hoskins, Etet

Subs: Woods, Kabamba, Connolly, Pollock, Flores, Ashley-Seal, Dyche.

Maxted, Harriman and Revan  ::) miss out through injury.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 09, 2021, 13:21:14 pm
No Rose in the squad and no mention of injury?
Suspended


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3063 on October 09, 2021, 13:22:06 pm
No Rose in the squad and no mention of injury?

Rose is suspended - five yellows.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on October 09, 2021, 13:23:18 pm
Done a six pack of Broken Shackles and desperately trying to stay awake. Reckon I will have to through in the towel and go for the replay on iFollow. Pity as I feel a big win coming.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Clarity on October 09, 2021, 13:30:26 pm
Rose is suspended - five yellows.
Thanks to both


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 09, 2021, 13:38:04 pm
Starting to get a very bad feeling for this one.
1 win in 6 now.
Prediction 2-0 Hartlepool.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 13:39:56 pm
Not 4-4-2?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 13:42:36 pm
Starting to get a very bad feeling for this one.
1 win in 6 now.
Prediction 2-0 Hartlepool.

If we lose today, pressure will mount, only thing is with have CC in the background and that does not inspire me.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: bungle on October 09, 2021, 14:02:13 pm
Cobblers: Roberts, McGowan, Guthrie, Horsfall, Koiki, Sowerby, Lewis, McWilliams, Pinnock, Hoskins, Etet

Could be the 4-2-3-1 that many of us have called for:

                            Roberts

                 McGowan. Guthrie Horsfall Koiki
             
                           McWilliams.  Sowerby

                        Pinnock. Lewis    Hoskins

                                   Etete

   
          I think this is close to being our strongest first X1 IMO. Will be interesting
          to see how it goes.
       


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 14:02:51 pm
Done a six pack of Broken Shackles and desperately trying to stay awake. Reckon I will have to through in the towel and go for the replay on iFollow. Pity as I feel a big win coming.

Wish I had your optimism Melly.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 09, 2021, 14:08:44 pm
ifollow no sound?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Baldy on October 09, 2021, 14:08:53 pm
Wish I had your optimism Melly.
Respect.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 09, 2021, 14:09:27 pm
Seeing quite a few Cobblers fans there. Great turnout


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 09, 2021, 14:11:50 pm
No Baldy again..partimer


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Baldy on October 09, 2021, 14:12:08 pm
Seeing quite a few Cobblers fans there. Great turnout
Praise the Lord. Shoemender was worried sick!!!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Baldy on October 09, 2021, 14:12:59 pm
Seeing quite a few Cobblers fans there. Great turnout
They're the greatest!!!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 09, 2021, 14:13:32 pm
Praise the Lord. Shoemender was worried sick!!!
Shoeys always been a worrier..


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 14:14:44 pm
Are we playing 5 at the back?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 14:18:31 pm
Great start. A few chances. Can we keep it up?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Baldy on October 09, 2021, 14:20:23 pm
Great start. A few chances. Can we keep it up?
No.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: sxcobbler on October 09, 2021, 14:31:49 pm
One on One missed by ' Pool


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 09, 2021, 14:31:57 pm
Super Sam’s on form, runs 30 yards and chips it into the goalkeepers arms


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 09, 2021, 14:33:05 pm
Super Sam’s on form, runs 30 yards and chips it into the goalkeepers arms

He actually ran about 70 yards….all that effort and no end product.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 14:35:04 pm
Anyone kind enough to answer if we are playing
5-4-1
or 4-5-1?

Thanks


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Clarity on October 09, 2021, 14:37:09 pm
Lewis doing nothing so far, I’d like to see Pollock instead


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 14:38:50 pm
Lewis doing nothing so far, I’d like to see Pollock instead

Agree 100%


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Clarity on October 09, 2021, 14:38:57 pm
Anyone kind enough to answer if we are playing
5-4-1
or 4-5-1?

Thanks
I’m watching on iFollow and looks 4 5 1


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: bungle on October 09, 2021, 14:40:20 pm
Lewis doing nothing so far, I’d like to see Pollock instead

This. We desperately need a play-maker/attacking midfielder.

Looks like 4-2-3-1 to me.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 14:41:17 pm
I’m watching on iFollow and looks 4 5 1

Thanks, I am at work, all I have to go off is BBC and sky sports at the minute.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 14:42:05 pm
This. We desperately need a play-maker/attacking midfielder.

Looks like 4-2-3-1 to me.

Thanks :)


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on October 09, 2021, 14:42:31 pm
Hoskins so far 3 crap passes and no alert to run in when he had the potential for a 1 on 1. Overall we have plenty of endeavour but no cutting edge.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 14:43:35 pm
Anyone kind enough to answer if we are playing
5-4-1
or 4-5-1?

Thanks

Who knows? ::)


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 14:46:50 pm

Sounds like we need some spark

Connolly on for Hoskins
Pollock on for Lewis


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: sxcobbler on October 09, 2021, 14:50:29 pm
HT 0-0.       Stats say....we've had 5 shots !

Glad I swerved this one

Could be worse ......Elsewhere
Harrogate 5-0 up


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 09, 2021, 14:50:42 pm
As I’ve said before, a team with Sam Hoskins in isn’t good enough.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 09, 2021, 14:50:45 pm
HT 0-0, there's a surprise.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on October 09, 2021, 14:51:26 pm
And the first half ends with a corner a that doesn’t beat the 1st man from guess who!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 14:52:23 pm
Plenty of corners, a few half chances, probably the better team so far, still don't look like scoring though.😬


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 09, 2021, 14:57:13 pm
Watching on iFollow and it's OK so far, we really just lack that player to put the ball into the net!

On a side note, anyone else starting to f***ing hate Jimmy Bullard from the relentless Papa John's adverts? How irritating can one man be without being Jamie Oliver?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: bungle on October 09, 2021, 14:57:28 pm
Sounds like we need some spark

Connolly on for Hoskins
Pollock on for Lewis

Yep.

I like the 4-2-3-1/4-5-1. The high press works, we don't miss having a second non-scoring forward, and I like McWilliams and Sowerby as the 'pivot'. What we need now is some more creative flair up there because we're still not creating enough chances. Lewis isn't contributing much from an attacking point of view and he's the obvious candidate for going off for Pollock or Flores, both of whom would probably be more likely to play a killer pass.

Connolly's pace causes problems, even if his end product needs work. Hoskins isn't contributing enough in terms of assists and goals and we need to see some genuine competition in there.



Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on October 09, 2021, 14:57:39 pm
Shoemender, I agree. This is the sort of game we should be winning if we have any aspirations of promotion this season. Etete getting bullied (again), need to remember he’s a young lad but as Smith has already identified his anticipation needs to be better.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest1269 on October 09, 2021, 14:59:45 pm
As I’ve said before, a team with Sam Hoskins in isn’t good enough.

Well you sometimes say that apart from when we win and he has a good game.

Where are you drinking for the NI game in Genéve?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 15:07:20 pm
Yep.

I like the 4-2-3-1/4-5-1. The high press works, we don't miss having a second non-scoring forward, and I like McWilliams and Sowerby as the 'pivot'. What we need now is some more creative flair up there because we're still not creating enough chances. Lewis isn't contributing much from an attacking point of view and he's the obvious candidate for going off for Pollock or Flores, both of whom would probably be more likely to play a killer pass.

Connolly's pace causes problems, even if his end product needs work. Hoskins isn't contributing enough in terms of assists and goals and we need to see some genuine competition in there.



Why cant our manager see this?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 09, 2021, 15:09:06 pm
Why cant our manager see this?
He probably can but doesn't agree. Just a guess.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 09, 2021, 15:10:28 pm
I'm not defending Brady BTW.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 15:10:42 pm
Does bbc radio Northampton not feature the game anymore?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 15:14:20 pm
He probably can but doesn't agree. Just a guess.

Its a managers job to adapt and find solutions if things are not working on the pitch.
Wilder was great at it during his time here.

If he sees it, agree or not, he needs to change it.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 09, 2021, 15:14:49 pm
As I’ve said before, a team with Sam Hoskins in isn’t good enough.

...


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest1269 on October 09, 2021, 15:15:09 pm
Does bbc radio Northampton not feature the game anymore?

Well toggle Tim certainly isn’t watching the same game as me - can’t he see how much Etete is being fouled?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Clarity on October 09, 2021, 15:15:29 pm
As I’ve said before, a team with Sam Hoskins in isn’t good enough.
;D


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 15:15:34 pm
Wallop


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: sxcobbler on October 09, 2021, 15:15:39 pm
GOAL.    Hoskins haters beware and that it seconds after forcing a good save for corner


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 09, 2021, 15:15:45 pm
Get in!!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 09, 2021, 15:15:54 pm
As I’ve always said Super Sam our most natural goal scorer.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 09, 2021, 15:15:58 pm
Brady in


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on October 09, 2021, 15:16:03 pm
Need to eat my words, that was a good volley.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 09, 2021, 15:16:19 pm
Hoskins is f***ing shìt!!!! >:D


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Clarity on October 09, 2021, 15:16:30 pm
Fantastic finish


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 09, 2021, 15:16:43 pm
FFS 90 secs


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 15:16:51 pm
Super Sam, never in doubt!!!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest1269 on October 09, 2021, 15:16:54 pm
As I’ve always said Super Sam our most natural goal scorer.

Touché…..


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest2995 on October 09, 2021, 15:17:00 pm
As I’ve said before, a team with Sam Hoskins in isn’t good enough.
i was just literally reading this when Tim informed us all he had scored !FFS


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on October 09, 2021, 15:17:52 pm
Oh dear


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Clarity on October 09, 2021, 15:18:02 pm
What was Pinnock doing??


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: sxcobbler on October 09, 2021, 15:18:30 pm
Didn't last long ...from a throw in ...2 players sucked in and then a mis match up on far post


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 15:18:48 pm
i was just literally reading this when Tim informed us all he had scored !FFS

Here we go again. Bollox.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 15:19:03 pm
Sums us up under Brady.

Sooner he goes

The better


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 09, 2021, 15:19:07 pm
Brady out


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 09, 2021, 15:26:31 pm
Its a managers job to adapt and find solutions if things are not working on the pitch.
Wilder was great at it during his time here.

If he sees it, agree or not, he needs to change it.
Are you seriously suggesting he change it from one formation that isn't working to another formation that he doesn't think will work either? Doesn't he have to find an alternative means by which he thinks it will work?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 15:30:16 pm
Another shot ref.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 15:31:02 pm
Another shot ref.

shįt.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 09, 2021, 15:32:08 pm
The good and bad of Hoskins, good shot before the goal, good finish for the goal, aimless runs and passes to the keeper and now a booking for being petulant…think that’s him banned for next game??


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest1269 on October 09, 2021, 15:34:17 pm
Another shot ref.

….& to think a few suggested last week’s ref wasn’t that experienced and not a good game for her.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 15:34:20 pm
Are you seriously suggesting he change it from one formation that isn't working to another formation that he doesn't think will work either? Doesn't he have to find an alternative means by which he thinks it will work?

No, I was talking game management, it was highlighted that Lewis and Hoskins(at the time where ineffective) and that Connolly pace would provide a bit more of a spark.
All the home games I have been too, his game management has been woeful.

Mind you saying that, he does not know his best team, the reason why, is because he recruited players that its obvious he did not know a lot about.
So getting onto game management is running before you walk with our current manager.





Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 15:36:15 pm
Get Kabamba on. >:D :P


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 15:37:40 pm
Get Kabamba on. >:D :P

  :D


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 15:42:12 pm
Robert's keeps us in it...........again.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Clarity on October 09, 2021, 15:43:02 pm
Amazing save


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 09, 2021, 15:45:33 pm
No, I was talking game management, it was highlighted that Lewis and Hoskins(at the time where ineffective) and that Connolly pace would provide a bit more of a spark.
All the home games I have been too, his game management has been woeful.

Mind you saying that, he does not know his best team, the reason why, is because he recruited players that its obvious he did not know a lot about.
So getting onto game management is running before you walk with our current manager.




It's all about opinions isn't it, that's all I was pointing out. If Bradys opinion of Lewis and Hoskins differs from yours and Bungle he's not going to do as Bungle suggests in his post.
But as I've already alluded I'm not Brady's biggest fan either.
At least we having a go today.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 09, 2021, 15:47:49 pm
FFS


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 09, 2021, 15:48:13 pm
Bollox! Action replay of the Salford goal, long ball over Koiki who was nowhere near his man….


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 09, 2021, 15:49:03 pm
FFS, that was truly abysmal from Etete.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 15:49:21 pm
Should have scored, but they do. Fùcking useless cùnts.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 09, 2021, 15:49:32 pm
UTTER SHÎT BRADY OUT.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 15:49:58 pm
Once again, get this manager out of our club.

The sooner the better.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 15:50:46 pm
Bringing Kabamba on proves they don't have a clue. Love to be proved wrong.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemaker on October 09, 2021, 15:51:05 pm
There’s no way John will get sacked….

That’d cost money  ;D


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 15:52:06 pm
BAS'll make the difference ???


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 09, 2021, 15:52:49 pm
There’s no way John will get sacked….

That’d cost money  ;D
Not if they don't replace him. Forgotten who's waiting in the wings?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: sxcobbler on October 09, 2021, 15:53:55 pm
Pressure on JB....or there should be.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest2995 on October 09, 2021, 15:54:29 pm
judge the team after 10 games ….
Yep - mid table .
Solid but no threat going forward .
Very little quality in the squad and quite dull football .
No budget to change it and the big hope , Etete has turned out to be a bit of a flop .


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 15:54:33 pm
Bringing Kabamba on proves they don't have a clue. Love to be proved wrong.


Shambolic does not cover this act at the minute.
Been saying it for weeks. Brady is way out of his depth and players like Lewis and Kabamba are only going to get us involved in relegation battle.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: bungle on October 09, 2021, 15:56:38 pm
The main difference between the two sides IMHO is this: Hartlepool know how to cross the ball whereas our 'wingers' crossing has been absolutely wank.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest2995 on October 09, 2021, 15:56:53 pm

Shambolic does not cover this act at the minute.
Been saying it for weeks. Brady is way out of his depth and players like Lewis and Kabamba are only going to get us involved in relegation battle.
he has no budget - you need to look beyond the end of your nose .
The issues with this club are planted at the top


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: sxcobbler on October 09, 2021, 15:57:47 pm
That winning goal was pathetic....acres of space down their left wing then he crosses for Molynuex unmarked on the right. Pathetic.

Thank God I didn't go all that bl00dy way



Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 09, 2021, 16:02:07 pm
he has no budget - you need to look beyond the end of your nose .
The issues with this club are planted at the top
It’s only going to get worse when KT doesn’t get his way, which he won’t.
Shoestring budget.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest168 on October 09, 2021, 16:02:48 pm
he has no budget - you need to look beyond the end of your nose .
The issues with this club are planted at the top

Now now, don't blame our beloved owner, remember he reminded us the other day he saved the club.

14th and lowest scorers in L2

Still good enough for you Deepcut and others


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Bertie on October 09, 2021, 16:03:16 pm
So frustrating. No way we should have lost that - but if you can't score you wont win.                                                                      
Perfect demonstration of that with Etete fannying around and messing up a gilt edged chance and managing to set up a counter attack for the winner.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 09, 2021, 16:03:19 pm
It does irritate me a bit on here sometimes... preseason there's all this talk about building for the future, giving Brady time and not having high expectations this year, we start well and as soon as we hit the first sticky patch people start baying for blood.

No it's not working as well as we'd like at the moment, is the answer really to sack another manager...?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 16:04:50 pm
he has no budget - you need to look beyond the end of your nose .
The issues with this club are planted at the top

Please don't talk to me like that



Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3063 on October 09, 2021, 16:05:12 pm
he has no budget - you need to look beyond the end of your nose .
The issues with this club are planted at the top

You keep saying that. He knew the situation when he took the job. Also, Colin Calderwood wouldn't come cheap.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Clint on October 09, 2021, 16:05:19 pm
Etete absolutely clueless. Defence sloppy again. What’s the excuse this week, Jon??


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on October 09, 2021, 16:06:01 pm
Koiki responsible for that second and also poor for the opportunity that Roberts did well to save, looking a liability at the back. Etete, Kabamba and BAS are not going to score the goals, who does that leave. I’d be really interested to see the research that ‘informed’ Brady to sign Kabamba. Whilst Sam scored a great goal I still didn’t see much of a contribution overall but he was far from the worst. Dropping like a stone now.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 09, 2021, 16:07:05 pm
It’s only going to get worse when KT doesn’t get his way, which he won’t.
Shoestring budget.
I know why you are saying that but actually it could be the start of quite an exciting period for the
premier club in Northampton.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 09, 2021, 16:07:16 pm
We miss a great chance to go 2 - 1 up and from the mis-placed pass we go 2 - 1 down. Only we could do that.

If we could only find someone to put the ball in the net we would be in the top 6 at least.

We should have won that.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 16:07:42 pm
Started well, gradually got worse, substitutions made no difference, strikers can't score, ones he brought on worse than one he took off, running out of ideas. Pretty s***e really, on and off the pitch.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 09, 2021, 16:10:56 pm
It does irritate me a bit on here sometimes... preseason there's all this talk about building for the future, giving Brady time and not having high expectations this year, we start well and as soon as we hit the first sticky patch people start baying for blood.

No it's not working as well as we'd like at the moment, is the answer really to sack another manager...?
Some of us were expressing doubts at the final whistle against Port Vale. Having said that, no, it's not the answer to sack Brady atm.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 16:12:27 pm
It does irritate me a bit on here sometimes... preseason there's all this talk about building for the future, giving Brady time and not having high expectations this year, we start well and as soon as we hit the first sticky patch people start baying for blood.

No it's not working as well as we'd like at the moment, is the answer really to sack another manager...?

I agree with you that sacking is ideal, but this 'sticky patch' to me seems largely self inflicted in my opinion.
It appears he does not know his best 11 or formation he wants to put them in.
In game management has been poor.



Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 16:13:50 pm
Started well, gradually got worse, substitutions made no difference, strikers can't score, ones he brought on worse than one he took off, running out of ideas. Pretty s***e really, on and off the pitch.

+1


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 09, 2021, 16:14:24 pm
Some of us were expressing doubts at the final whistle against Port Vale. Having said that, no, it's not the answer to sack Brady atm.
Whilst we won’t do any good until we get rid of our current owners, Brady should have done better with his team, we seem incapable of passing the ball with any accuracy outside of our own half.
Set pieces are abysmal.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: EB Claret on October 09, 2021, 16:21:04 pm
If we had any finishers in the team we'd have been out of sight after an hour.
Hoskins has his limitations but on that showing he's different class to the rest of our forwards.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest168 on October 09, 2021, 16:26:34 pm
It does irritate me a bit on here sometimes... preseason there's all this talk about building for the future, giving Brady time and not having high expectations this year, we start well and as soon as we hit the first sticky patch people start baying for blood.

No it's not working as well as we'd like at the moment, is the answer really to sack another manager...?

no its isnt, KT has sacked 5 so far.  Its him thats needs to go. Just turn the light off and leave, we will not be worse off I can assure you of that.



Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 09, 2021, 16:26:55 pm
If we had any finishers in the team we'd have been out of sight after an hour.
Hoskins has his limitations but on that showing he's different class to the rest of our forwards.

And that's saying something. ::)


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: bungle on October 09, 2021, 16:28:12 pm
Wouldn't sack him yet but it has to be said that his recruitment in forward positions has been **** poor.

Strikers have a grand total of 2 league goals between them after 11 games.

We lost that primarily due to poor finishing and two lapses in concentration on our left-hand side (Pinnock then Koiki). Unlike many games this year I actually think we created enough chances to win the game.

Brady's tactical problems as I see it are this:

1. We look a lot better and less predictable with one up front (IMO). We press better, McWilliams and Sowerby are good as a DM 'pivot' and Hoskins tends to look more dangerous as one of the three behind a striker. Yes he was wasteful today, but he also scored a goal and had at least two other good chances. In any case our strikers are so **** that it's probably better to have as few on the pitch at once as possible

2. Etete is probably the only one of our strikers who has the physical presence to play the lone striker role (I don't count Kabamba)

3. However, Etete is still learning the role and is taking considerable time to adapt to the physical side of playing in L2. It's probably going to take him about 5 more games to really gel in that position. Do we have that luxury?

Controversially, I'm surprised that BAS hasn't had more game time this year. He actually looked OK in pre-season and along with Rose he's the only striker to have scored a goal. I'd be tempted to give him some game time given that he can't do any worse than the other incumbents.



Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3338 on October 09, 2021, 16:31:48 pm
Whilst we won’t do any good until we get rid of our current owners, Brady should have done better with his team, we seem incapable of passing the ball with any accuracy outside of our own half.
Set pieces are abysmal.
I didn't watch on Follow Mano and wasn't there. Have only got opinions on here and Tim an smudger to go on.
Scary thing is smudger ha really been talking super Sam up.
We were impotent you mean, why doesn't that surprise me.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Clint on October 09, 2021, 16:34:10 pm
I didn't watch on Follow Mano and wasn't there. Have only got opinions on here and Tim an smudger to go on.
Scary thing is smudger ha really been talking super Sam up.
We were impotent you mean, why doesn't that surprise me.
I watched the match; thought Hoskins played well.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 16:34:33 pm
Whilst we won’t do any good until we get rid of our current owners, Brady should have done better with his team, we seem incapable of passing the ball with any accuracy outside of our own half.
Set pieces are abysmal.

+1


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 09, 2021, 16:35:32 pm
I didn't watch on Follow Mano and wasn't there. Have only got opinions on here and Tim an smudger to go on.
Scary thing is smudger ha really been talking super Sam up.
We were impotent you mean, why doesn't that surprise me.
It’s been going on for weeks, tippy tappy at the back and then hoof, we don’t or can’t pass through the thirds.
Bums off seats football, dear oh dear.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: WasRambo on October 09, 2021, 16:37:56 pm
What a fukin surprise, another late cave in


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 09, 2021, 16:38:38 pm
I watched the match; thought Hoskins played well.
He played a lot better second half, first half he was dreadful.
I have to be honest he’s no where near the worst player on the pitch, how Mitch Pinnock keeps his place is beyond me along with the lumbering Lewis, the invisible man.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 09, 2021, 16:40:13 pm
Wouldn't sack him yet but it has to be said that his recruitment in forward positions has been **** poor.

Strikers have a grand total of 2 league goals between them after 11 games.

We lost that primarily due to poor finishing and two lapses in concentration on our left-hand side (Pinnock then Koiki). Unlike many games this year I actually think we created enough chances to win the game.

Brady's tactical problems as I see it are this:

1. We look a lot better and less predictable with one up front (IMO). We press better, McWilliams and Sowerby are good as a DM 'pivot' and Hoskins tends to look more dangerous as one of the three behind a striker. Yes he was wasteful today, but he also scored a goal and had at least two other good chances. In any case our strikers are so **** that it's probably better to have as few on the pitch at once as possible

2. Etete is probably the only one of our strikers who has the physical presence to play the lone striker role (I don't count Kabamba)

3. However, Etete is still learning the role and is taking considerable time to adapt to the physical side of playing in L2. It's probably going to take him about 5 more games to really gel in that position. Do we have that luxury?

Controversially, I'm surprised that BAS hasn't had more game time this year. He actually looked OK in pre-season and along with Rose he's the only striker to have scored a goal. I'd be tempted to give him some game time given that he can't do any worse than the other incumbents.


Sweet Jesus Bungle, if your only hope is BAS, I’ve got a feeling your going to be disappointed mate.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: west stand oap on October 09, 2021, 17:13:36 pm
That was a sickener, a game we should not have lost and could have won. Too many crosses allowed to come into our box illustrated by their second goal when nobody challenged the player before he crossed to the far post to the scorer who was yards away from any defender.
Well taken goal by Sam and but for 2 good saves he could have had a hat-trick but once again picks up a needless yellow card and will shortly be serving a 1 game ban.
Very proactive move by the Hartlepool manager on the hour mark to throw on 2 attackers and take off 2 defenders so he will probably feel his decision making won them the game.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest2995 on October 09, 2021, 17:15:20 pm
i also believe it was a step in the right direction with the formation we played today .
The players we have that are capable of doing anything suit that style of play although he may change it again when Rose is back .
The players are simply not good enough in attacking areas .
We have a budget that is way below mid table - other teams are paying double what we pay for strikers wages .
People have to understand the restraints .
BAS will probably be told to go in january so we can maybe get another one in .


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: CobblerForever on October 09, 2021, 17:21:02 pm
Boot & Shoe,

Couldn't agree more with your recent posts with regard to the Budget and the quality of our strikers. I actually believe we have some decent players otherwise.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: CobblerForever on October 09, 2021, 17:22:18 pm
Brackley have gone top of National League 1 North - so some good news.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: everbrite on October 09, 2021, 17:47:24 pm
….& to think a few suggested last week’s ref wasn’t that experienced and not a good game for her.

You really must get over others opinions. Brownie point scoring on here is pointless. 


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 09, 2021, 17:58:51 pm
Shut up talking about  sacking people FFS!
Now is not the time to panic chaps.
We’re a mid table div 4 team, with mid table div 4 players and if we can keep our nerve (and our goalie fit), we will finish mid table div 4.
So let’s try and build something to act as a springboard to something better.
Give Max D some games.
Got Scotty in and starting every game
Try out BAS on a run to build up his confidence
Stick with Kion - it’ll come eventually!
UTC
PS 2 nill win next week against Mansfield - BAS and Kion on the score sheet!?


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Smoking Boots on October 09, 2021, 18:04:08 pm
Brackley have gone top of National League 1 North - so some good news.

Are you cryptically suggesting that we could be playing them next season?... ;)


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest168 on October 09, 2021, 18:05:15 pm
Shut up talking about  sacking people FFS!
Now is not the time to panic chaps.
We’re a mid table div 4 team, with mid table div 4 players and if we can keep our nerve (and our goalie fit), we will finish mid table div 4.
So let’s try and build something to act as a springboard to something better.
Give Max D some games.
Got Scotty in and starting every game
Try out BAS on a run to build up his confidence
Stick with Kion - it’ll come eventually!
UTC
PS 2 nill win next week against Mansfield - BAS and Kion on the score sheet!?

agreed. I just want a plan and have the convictions to stick with it.

really would like to know why JB came out with bums off seats, attacking football, youth team players etc and then we play like we do.  What changed?

I would be happy to be 14 or even lower if we are playing our youth and trying to outscore the opposition rather than battling safety 1st football



Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 09, 2021, 18:59:22 pm
agreed. I just want a plan and have the convictions to stick with it.

really would like to know why JB came out with bums off seats, attacking football, youth team players etc and then we play like we do.  What changed?

I would be happy to be 14 or even lower if we are playing our youth and trying to outscore the opposition rather than battling safety 1st football



I would like plan A with conviction, then Plan B with conviction, if things arent going right.

I am reading a lot of people saying its to early to jump ship with Brady, low budget etc

Yet I have not seen anyone hear give an explanation as to what Brady is actually trying to do with this team.

Sutton last week was a low point and  fact he has gone 4-2-3-1 is something, but he's got to stick with it now.
The next step for me would be drop Lewis and have Pollock with Pinnock and Connolly with McWilliams and Sowerby still in the pivot.



Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: MCHammer on October 09, 2021, 19:06:25 pm
It does irritate me a bit on here sometimes... preseason there's all this talk about building for the future, giving Brady time and not having high expectations this year, we start well and as soon as we hit the first sticky patch people start baying for blood.

No it's not working as well as we'd like at the moment, is the answer really to sack another manager...?

Exactly.

Gutted we lost and without doubt our attacking play is not good enough but in reality for any team that's the hardest thing to get right both in recruitment and on the pitch.

I'll say it again it's about patience this year.  You only have to look at the likes of Koiki for a prime example of why I say that.  Some people weeks ago were singing his praises and complaining we hadn't signed him on a longer contract.  A few weeks later and a couple of poor defensive performances and you are seeing that maybe he's not quite ready but we have little option but to play him every game.



Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 09, 2021, 19:43:30 pm
agreed. I just want a plan and have the convictions to stick with it.

really would like to know why JB came out with bums off seats, attacking football, youth team players etc and then we play like we do.  What changed?

I would be happy to be 14 or even lower if we are playing our youth and trying to outscore the opposition rather than battling safety 1st football



Mr C Calderwood


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 09, 2021, 20:42:39 pm
Same old budget nonsense, do we really believe that the likes of 2nd placed Harrogate, 7th placed Sutton (game in hand), 8th placed Hartlepool and 11th placed Barrow all have budgets that dwarf ours by so much that we are unable to complete with these teams.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3063 on October 09, 2021, 20:55:53 pm
Same old budget nonsense, do we really believe that the likes of 2nd placed Harrogate, 7th placed Sutton (game in hand), 8th placed Hartlepool and 11th placed Barrow all have budgets that dwarf ours by so much that we are unable to complete with these teams.

And Morecambe last season and no doubt their budget in league one this season.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 09, 2021, 20:58:20 pm
And Morecambe last season and no doubt their budget in league one this season.

L Jones signed for Cambridge for less than we were offering him


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3063 on October 09, 2021, 21:11:41 pm
L Jones signed for Cambridge for less than we were offering him

Yes he did. The argument about the budget is strange because as I said earlier Colin Calderwood must be on decent money, as is Danny Rose and probably Joseph Mills, Sam Hoskins, Liam Roberts, Jack Sowerby and Jon Guthrie to name a few. Boot & Shoe is very protective of Jon Brady and this is why he brings up this budget nonsense on a regular basis.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Coolcat on October 09, 2021, 21:15:49 pm
Connolly cost us today with his National League North performance!
Etete selflessly passed it on to him in the 87th for a tap in...idiot didn't know where he was!
Kabamba and BAS getting more time would have been more productive!

Applause today for Roberts and the 200 travelling contingent!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest168 on October 09, 2021, 21:29:01 pm
Yes he did. The argument about the budget is strange because as I said earlier Colin Calderwood must be on decent money, as is Danny Rose and probably Joseph Mills, Sam Hoskins, Liam Roberts, Jack Sowerby and Jon Guthrie to name a few. Boot & Shoe is very protective of Jon Brady and this is why he brings up this budget nonsense on a regular basis.

The budget is pretty irrelevant, within reason, at our level. Many more factors dictate league position


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 09, 2021, 21:44:44 pm
Connolly cost us today with his National League North performance!
Etete selflessly passed it on to him in the 87th for a tap in...idiot didn't know where he was!
Kabamba and BAS getting more time would have been more productive!

Applause today for Roberts and the 200 travelling contingent!

Applause too for the Hartlepool fans.....they backed their team for almost the entire 90 minutes, the drummer kept the atmosphere going, felt like there were a lot more than 5000 in there at times.

Maybe relegation to the National League galvanised their fans.....I remembered the same sort of support from Lincoln fans the season they came back up.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Shoemender on October 10, 2021, 08:34:27 am
Applause too for the Hartlepool fans.....they backed their team for almost the entire 90 minutes, the drummer kept the atmosphere going, felt like there were a lot more than 5000 in there at times.

Maybe relegation to the National League galvanised their fans.....I remembered the same sort of support from Lincoln fans the season they came back up.

Despite the fact that this is probably the case, I’d still prefer to maintain our football league status. Relegation to the National League could easily be the worst thing that could happen. Look how many ex league teams are struggling to get back.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Coolcat on October 10, 2021, 08:35:20 am
Applause too for the Hartlepool fans.....they backed their team for almost the entire 90 minutes, the drummer kept the atmosphere going, felt like there were a lot more than 5000 in there at times.

Maybe relegation to the National League galvanised their fans.....I remembered the same sort of support from Lincoln fans the season they came back up.
Disagree totally about the aymosphere. The drummer (always pathetic - we don't need one!) took away any spontaneity away, they didn't produce one original song, anything spontaneous that mirrored the game - even a' C'mon Cobblers...' reflects the passion and mood of the fans!
Most of the time just a murmuring unintelligible noise, that most Pool fans only half heartedly joined in with!
When it became clear that they were going to win in the dying minutes - the rest of the sheep around the ground joined in!
Don't give me drum stuff please! Nil points!

Been to Hartlepool I think around seven times over the years. It's always been a s***hole! It hasn't changed - can't quite believe the hole that it is and the dross that live there. My last ever trip to the hole!
Durham and Newcastle brilliant by comparison...including the groups of dolled ip lasses travelling to/from Durham, York and Newcastle every week!  ;)


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3429 on October 10, 2021, 08:38:48 am
I thought we played pretty well with many reasons for optimism.

Start to take our chances and we should be there or thereabouts.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on October 10, 2021, 09:01:48 am
I thought we played pretty well with many reasons for optimism.

Start to take our chances and we should be there or thereabouts.
I’m with you, they’ve the best home record in the division and I thought we did ok. That header for their first goal was sensational, we won’t have to defend against many like that this season. Their keeper also pulled off a few decent saves. On another day we could have won that at a canter. Still disappointing though.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: everbrite on October 10, 2021, 10:09:18 am
Very disappointing to watch that performance on iFillow. I maybe wrong but they seemed to want it more; hence their two splendidly well taken goals. I can’t remember us scoring with that quality. We now appear to be on a slippery slope of avoidable losses! Our much vaunted defence should have been capable of drawing that game. I too am at a loss to understand JB’s selection policy if there is one. The signing of Kabamba and Lewis and perhaps Connolly now appears bereft of any meaningful justification for signing them. I agree with comments on that old red herring of budget as if Barrow and Harrogate have superior budgets ::). If I was KT, he should launch an investigation into how the process works as it clearly isn’t working well. 


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: guest3429 on October 10, 2021, 10:17:52 am
Very disappointing to watch that performance on iFillow. I maybe wrong but they seemed to want it more; hence their two splendidly well taken goals. I can’t remember us scoring with that quality. We now appear to be on a slippery slope of avoidable losses! Our much vaunted defence should have been capable of drawing that game. I too am at a loss to understand JB’s selection policy if there is one. The signing of Kabamba and Lewis and perhaps Connolly now appears bereft of any meaningful justification for signing them. I agree with comments on that old red herring of budget as if Barrow and Harrogate have superior budgets ::). If I was KT, he should launch an investigation into how the process works as it clearly isn’t working well. 

Nice synopsis there evers although I'm afraid we will have to dismiss your comments..

As you were not there.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: everbrite on October 10, 2021, 11:37:31 am
Nice synopsis there evers although I'm afraid we will have to dismiss your comments..

As you were not there.

As were you! You are very outspoken for somebody who rarely attends. What you don’t get is ‘fans’ are allowed an opinion. Trouble is most of yours are brainless!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: fetishbob on October 10, 2021, 11:42:56 am
You deserved a point at least yesterday.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: west stand oap on October 10, 2021, 11:52:30 am
Evers - I think you have got him sussed.
At Salford we were within minutes of going second in the league, now 2 games later we are 14th. The wheels have come off the bus and are not going round and round. Also we have started conceding 2 goals a game, the second goal yesterday was a repeat of the second at Salford which Koiki was blamed for for. However I would not put too much blame on him for their winner yesterday as the rest of the team were pulled over to where the cross was coming from and he was left with 2 men to mark.
Anyway on to Mansfield next week who have not won any of their last 11 games, what could possibly go wrong.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 10, 2021, 11:56:14 am
Watched the game on i-player...

I thought we played some superb stuff, the performance itself warranted 3 points and with some ease.

Unfortunately though our forwards continue to demonstrate a total ineptness when it comes to either their final ball or their finishing...the Ete/Connolly moment 10 seconds before they scored their winner kind of wrapped up the whole of this season so far in one moment.

We can only hope that they are all 'doing a Parkin' or 'doing a Rico first spell here' and after several months things will suddenly click and they start scoring regularly. If they don't then it will be a bloody long run through to January. At that point we would surely need to offload at least two of the four and bring in better option/s. That said, it never seems to happen for us in that window and we'd probably end up with another Edmunson or Sinclair!

Ill keep the faith for now. But Im rapidly losing motivation for this season because our football in the final third of the pitch just isn't good enough and hasn't been now for 15 games league and cup. 15 goals, one goal a game = a big struggle!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 10, 2021, 12:04:07 pm
I blame Etete for the second goal yesterday. He made a terrific run and the team moved forward to support him. He looks to be completely bereft of confidence in the final third, so instead of taking it on himself as you'd expect a striker with a modicum of form to do, he opted to roll it into the path of the onrushing Connelly. Unfortunately he played an awful pass behind Connelly, which the defenders just stepped up to collect and caught us on the counter.

He's a frustrating player. He has obvious ability, it just looks like his confidence is in tatters so his final ball, be it a shot, cross or pass, invariably turns out to be s***!


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Zen Master on October 10, 2021, 12:07:48 pm
Strikers graveyard. We could turn Ronaldo into a misfiring dud.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: EB Claret on October 10, 2021, 12:37:38 pm
Watched the game on i-player...

I thought we played some superb stuff, the performance itself warranted 3 points and with some ease.

Unfortunately though our forwards continue to demonstrate a total ineptness when it comes to either their final ball or their finishing...the Ete/Connolly moment 10 seconds before they scored their winner kind of wrapped up the whole of this season so far in one moment.

We can only hope that they are all 'doing a Parkin' or 'doing a Rico first spell here' and after several months things will suddenly click and they start scoring regularly. If they don't then it will be a bloody long run through to January. At that point we would surely need to offload at least two of the four and bring in better option/s. That said, it never seems to happen for us in that window and we'd probably end up with another Edmunson or Sinclair!

Ill keep the faith for now. But Im rapidly losing motivation for this season because our football in the final third of the pitch just isn't good enough and hasn't been now for 15 games league and cup. 15 goals, one goal a game = a big struggle!

Agree with your comments. My worry is that Rico in his first season, while not scoring too often, was frequently hitting the woodwork (wasn't it 12 or 14 times in the season?) Our current strikers don't even know where the posts are! :o


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: CobblerForever on October 10, 2021, 12:48:38 pm
I blame Etete for the second goal yesterday. He made a terrific run and the team moved forward to support him. He looks to be completely bereft of confidence in the final third, so instead of taking it on himself as you'd expect a striker with a modicum of form to do, he opted to roll it into the path of the onrushing Connelly. Unfortunately he played an awful pass behind Connelly, which the defenders just stepped up to collect and caught us on the counter.

He's a frustrating player. He has obvious ability, it just looks like his confidence is in tatters so his final ball, be it a shot, cross or pass, invariably turns out to be ****!

His missed penalty against Walsall was especially poor as well. Unfortunately, he's the best we've got. 


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: bungle on October 10, 2021, 14:11:35 pm

He's a frustrating player. He has obvious ability, it just looks like his confidence is in tatters so his final ball, be it a shot, cross or pass, invariably turns out to be ****!

IMO Brady needs to persist with Etete as the lone striker in a 4-2-3-1.

As you say, the ability and physical attributes are definitely there but he needs to work on the tactical and psychological side of the game. He needs to learn how to time his runs and when to hold it up to relieve pressure (and not give it away to allow dangerous counter-attacks!).

Perhaps most importantly he has to learn to accept and transcend the standard rough treatment dished out by L2 clogger centre backs and to use his 6'6 inch frame to dominate them.

Hopefully Rico is doing a lot of work on the training ground with him, but he will need a run of games to properly master the lone frontman role and we, and Brady, will need to be patient.

My worry is that Brady will drop Etete as a knee-jerk reaction and bring Rose back because he's more of a 'safe pair of hands' in terms of hold-up play. This would be a massive mistake IMO because we looked so much better in a 4-2-3-1 and probably created more chances than we have in any other game all season. Rose IMO doesn't have the physical attributes to play as a lone frontman and should be used off the bench as a second striker option if we need to change it and go 4-4-2.

As I've said earlier in the thread, I'd put BAS just above Kabamba in the pecking order and would rather see him as an option coming off the bench. Not much in it but I would say that Kabamba has had enough chances and has made 0 impact.

Looking ahead to January, I would be looking to ship at least one of the misfiring strikers out and to bring in an experienced centre forward who can lead the line and offer genuine competition for places.




 


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 10, 2021, 14:18:31 pm
Can’t disagree with any of that


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: cobbler151 on October 10, 2021, 14:26:24 pm
IMO Brady needs to persist with Etete as the lone striker in a 4-2-3-1.

As you say, the ability and physical attributes are definitely there but he needs to work on the tactical and psychological side of the game. He needs to learn how to time his runs and when to hold it up to relieve pressure (and not give it away to allow dangerous counter-attacks!).

Perhaps most importantly he has to learn to accept and transcend the standard rough treatment dished out by L2 clogger centre backs and to use his 6'6 inch frame to dominate them.

Hopefully Rico is doing a lot of work on the training ground with him, but he will need a run of games to properly master the lone frontman role and we, and Brady, will need to be patient.

My worry is that Brady will drop Etete as a knee-jerk reaction and bring Rose back because he's more of a 'safe pair of hands' in terms of hold-up play. This would be a massive mistake IMO because we looked so much better in a 4-2-3-1 and probably created more chances than we have in any other game all season. Rose IMO doesn't have the physical attributes to play as a lone frontman and should be used off the bench as a second striker option if we need to change it and go 4-4-2.

As I've said earlier in the thread, I'd put BAS just above Kabamba in the pecking order and would rather see him as an option coming off the bench. Not much in it but I would say that Kabamba has had enough chances and has made 0 impact.

Looking ahead to January, I would be looking to ship at least one of the misfiring strikers out and to bring in an experienced centre forward who can lead the line and offer genuine competition for places.




 

100%
agree with everything you say
as much as i never thought I would put Seal as a striker above anyone in our squad.
I think persisting with a 4-2-3-1 as plan is the way forward

It could easily be switched to 4-3-3 as a plan B with a variation of Rose/Hoskins and even Connolly playing up top with Etete if things aren't going our way.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 10, 2021, 15:45:22 pm
IMO Brady needs to persist with Etete as the lone striker in a 4-2-3-1.

As you say, the ability and physical attributes are definitely there but he needs to work on the tactical and psychological side of the game. He needs to learn how to time his runs and when to hold it up to relieve pressure (and not give it away to allow dangerous counter-attacks!).

Perhaps most importantly he has to learn to accept and transcend the standard rough treatment dished out by L2 clogger centre backs and to use his 6'6 inch frame to dominate them.

Hopefully Rico is doing a lot of work on the training ground with him, but he will need a run of games to properly master the lone frontman role and we, and Brady, will need to be patient.

My worry is that Brady will drop Etete as a knee-jerk reaction and bring Rose back because he's more of a 'safe pair of hands' in terms of hold-up play. This would be a massive mistake IMO because we looked so much better in a 4-2-3-1 and probably created more chances than we have in any other game all season. Rose IMO doesn't have the physical attributes to play as a lone frontman and should be used off the bench as a second striker option if we need to change it and go 4-4-2.

As I've said earlier in the thread, I'd put BAS just above Kabamba in the pecking order and would rather see him as an option coming off the bench. Not much in it but I would say that Kabamba has had enough chances and has made 0 impact.

Looking ahead to January, I would be looking to ship at least one of the misfiring strikers out and to bring in an experienced centre forward who can lead the line and offer genuine competition for places.




 

I think he's likely to bring Rose back for the next match as we are playing Mansfield, his old club, and that often works. I would play Etete though.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 10, 2021, 15:50:55 pm
Hartlepool were awful and they beat us.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: fetishbob on October 10, 2021, 16:43:09 pm
Hartlepool were awful and they beat us.

bit bias there aren't you. As I previously posted you deserved something from the game but to describe Pools as awful then says lot about your team as you've lost to us.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 10, 2021, 17:33:05 pm
I wouldn't say there were awful, just average.....Challinor himself describes his sides performance for 55 minutes as "average"...... he said he had a decision to make after they equalised...continue as they were or go for it. He chose the latter and from then on they were the better side. We however decided to sit back and try and soak up pressure, and didn't make any changes until 12 minutes from time.

We've come down from League 1 and been beaten back to back by the two teams who came up from the National League last season.....that speaks volumes for where our squad and management team is at present.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 10, 2021, 17:49:07 pm
I wouldn't say there were awful, just average.....Challinor himself describes his sides performance for 55 minutes as "average"...... he said he had a decision to make after they equalised...continue as they were or go for it. He chose the latter and from then on they were the better side. We however decided to sit back and try and soak up pressure, and didn't make any changes until 12 minutes from time.

We've come down from League 1 and been beaten back to back by the two teams who came up from the National League last season.....that speaks volumes for where our squad and management team is at present.

Have to agree, I thought that we looked good until we scored and conceded in quick succession. Their keeper had kept them in it.
It was almost as if we lost confidence in the plan when we conceded.
All of a sudden we reverted to the long ball instead of what had been working previously.
Shame, it was a game that we should have won.


Title: Re: Hartlepool United (a)
Post by: Manwork04 on October 10, 2021, 18:12:25 pm
bit bias there aren't you. As I previously posted you deserved something from the game but to describe Pools as awful then says lot about your team as you've lost to us.

That was the point I was making.