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Title: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 13, 2021, 22:23:18 pm
The Stags are the visitors to Sixfields for our next League 2 assignment. Mansfield have performed below expectations so far this season its fair to say, they are in 21st place ahead of this game with just two wins from their 11 league games so far.
Those two wins actually came in their opening two league games, so now they have gone eleven games without a win in all competitions. Just two points have been attained on the road, draws at Leyton Orient and Colchester sit alongside defeats at Swindon and Walsall....they have only played four league games away and seven at home as they switched the venue of their game with Newport because the Exiles pitch was not ready.
They have failed to score in their last three games, the last of which was a goalless home draw with Keith Curles Oldham on Saturday.

Nigel Clough is in the hotseat, and i'd guess it is getting quite hot following this long winless run. Clough took over from Graham Coughlan in November last year and has picked up 18 wins in 53 games so far. Hard to believe that Clough junior has actually been managing for 23 years now with 1,117 games under his belt.

This is Mansfields 9th consecutive season in the basement division, although before that they went through the basement into the Conference in 2008, it took them five years to haul themselves out of there. A 16th placed finish last year followed a 21st placed finish in the Covid season. The season before that they lost a playoff semi-final to Newport via the penalty shootout lottery.

Back to this season, Ollie Hawkins and Danny Johnson are leading the goalscoring charts, just 3 goals a piece though. These two both joined in the summer from Ipswich and Leyton Orient respectively. Nathan Bishop is on loan from Manchester United and has started every league game between the sticks. Injuries have been a problem this season to the extent that there are only two other ever present players n the squad, Midfielders George Maris and Stephan McLaughlin.

Cobblers connections.....well I've already mentioned Curle who of course managed both sides, Joel Byrom and Zander Diamond both appeared for the Stags as recently as 2018, whilst in our ranks we have the returning-from-suspension Danny Rose. He made 113 starts and 52 substitute appearances for Mansfield between 2016 and 2020 and he bagged 44 goals before an undisclosed transfer fee brought him to Sixfields.

Head to head over the years, 76 games between the sides in all competitions, the Stags hold the upper hand with 37 wins to our 24. Mansfield were of course the last visitors to the County Ground, leaving us on the end of a 1-0 defeat in our last game before the move to Sixfields. Since then there have been thirteen games at Sixfields between the two sides, seven wins for the Cobblers and three for the Stags. They of course did beat us in the 2004 play-off semi final, a 2-0 win for them was wiped out by our 3-1 win at Field Mill in the second leg before we succumbed to a penalty shootout defeat. They did also beat us on our patch in the league game that season, and until 2020 those were their only successes. Our last encounter at Sixfields resulted in a 2-1 win for Mansfield following an early sending off for Sam Hoskins followed up by a penalty from none other than Danny Rose! A last minute Harry Smith consolation was our only joy that day in front of a crowd of 5,666. The last six games at Sixfields have produced the following scorelines.... 1-0, 1-1, 1-0, 1-0, 1-1, 1-2.
2015 was our last victory over them at Sixfields, a very early goal by Marc Richards proving to be the difference in a game where Dominic Calvert-Lewin made a half time substitute appearance for us replacing Alfie Potter.

Robert Lewis is due to referee the game, travelling down from Shropshire he is one of the most experienced refs on the circuit having been on the league list since 2005. His first game was a fourth tier clash between Rochdale and Rushden & Diamonds. He has handled eight games this season, 22 yellow cards have been dished out as well as a red card for Alfie Kilgour of Bristol Rovers in their recent home defeat to Swindon. Last season he flashed 82 yellow and 4 reds in his 30 games in charge. His last visit to Sixfields was for our 4-0 home defeat to Lincoln City in December of last year. His last Mansfield game came two weeks earlier in their 1-0 win at Cambridge.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 14, 2021, 00:28:59 am
Mansfield haven't scored for three games - doesn't sound like it will be a goal fest.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Shoemender on October 14, 2021, 06:06:40 am
Mansfield haven't scored for three games - doesn't sound like it will be a goal fest.

That's the kiss of death then. :(


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Clint on October 14, 2021, 07:45:47 am
That's the kiss of death then. :(
Mind reader!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 14, 2021, 07:45:53 am
That's the kiss of death then. :(

Cant see us beating these, we don't score from open play and their record means they are bound to score.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Manwork04 on October 14, 2021, 07:59:31 am
Nailed on Stags win, we specialise in ending other teams loosing streaks.
Gillingham anyone!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 14, 2021, 10:59:08 am
Nailed on Stags win, we specialise in ending other teams loosing streaks.
Gillingham anyone!

Wasn't there a point where Leyton Orient had not won an away game in 18 months?.
Cue a visit to Sixfields


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 14, 2021, 11:18:45 am
Wasn't there a point where Leyton Orient had not won an away game in 18 months?.
Cue a visit to Sixfields


Yes, they won to end a long winless run on the road, then didnít win again until they came back to Sixfields a year laterÖ.and they won again! September 1995 and then again September 1996.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 14, 2021, 12:32:03 pm
Yes, they won to end a long winless run on the road, then didnít win again until they came back to Sixfields a year laterÖ.and they won again! September 1995 and then again September 1996.


Thats the one :)


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: west stand oap on October 14, 2021, 12:42:23 pm
A game between 2 teams low on form. Like us Mansfield have scored 10 goals but have 10 points compared to our 15. After taking 7 points from their first 3 games Mansfield have only 3 points from their last 8. Following those first 3 games they lost the next 4 conceding 10 goals. This prompted them to move big striker Ollie Hawkins back to central defence which has stemmed the number of goals conceded as they have only let in 2 in the last 4 games. However this move has had a detrimental effect at the top of the pitch as they have only scored once but have secured 3 draws. These last 4 games were Rochdale (h) 1-1, Orient (a) 0-0, Barrow (h) 0-1 and Oldham (h) 0-0.
Mansfield have a long injury list, Hawkins and Maris both went off injured last Saturday and are doubtful together with another 6 players. They will have central defender Rawson available again after serving his suspension and we will have Rose available to face his old team. This is definately winnable if we can find our shooting boots.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 14, 2021, 12:55:38 pm
This is definately winnable if we can find our shooting boots.

Wherever they are they are definitely well hidden.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Zen Master on October 14, 2021, 14:14:51 pm
Iím still hurting from the play off game when Asamoah was taken down for a clear penalty.
W ankers.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: sxcobbler on October 14, 2021, 14:32:20 pm
Yes, they won to end a long winless run on the road, then didnít win again until they came back to Sixfields a year laterÖ.and they won again! September 1995 and then again September 1996.

Yep, knowing quite a few Orient fans down my way ..... They actually had T-shirts printed celebrating that First Win !

Back to v. Mansfield ....either a 0-0 or prob a 0-1.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Manwork04 on October 14, 2021, 14:48:32 pm
Iím still hurting from the play off game when Asamoah was taken down for a clear penalty.
W ankers.


That ref was unbelievable, the atmosphere was electric.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 14, 2021, 15:03:21 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/rose-boost-for-cobblers-as-defensive-duo-also-return-from-injury-3416337


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Manwork04 on October 14, 2021, 19:27:06 pm
Whoís the keeper on the bench replacing the pie taster?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Coolcat on October 14, 2021, 19:48:57 pm
Hartlepool done me!
Need a rest from all things Sixfields and Cobblers...though was there today to pick up two Tranmere tickets!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Teachers Pet on October 14, 2021, 19:49:20 pm
Whoís the keeper on the bench replacing the pie taster?

17 year old Charlie Woods - Academy goalkeeper.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: west stand oap on October 14, 2021, 19:54:48 pm
It seems that Mansfield have sold out the away end and been sent an additional 300 tickets. Not bad for a team who haven't won any of their last 9 league games.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: WadeyCobbler on October 14, 2021, 22:10:09 pm
Always a tasty atmosphere between the two sets of fans. Good to hear they've sold out.
I feel the outcome of these two home games could well shape the season. It's a big opportunity to get 6 points and get back amongst the front runners. A couple of losses or draws will see us in the bottom half. But who's going to score the goals? Interesting to hear CC say he's not worried about the lack of goals!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 15, 2021, 20:34:19 pm
Does anyone feel that if we lose this and fail to score, then it will put JB under a bit of pressure?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: guest3359 on October 15, 2021, 20:46:43 pm
Does anyone feel that if we lose this and fail to score, then it will put JB under a bit of pressure?
No


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Teachers Pet on October 15, 2021, 20:48:54 pm
Does anyone feel that if we lose this and fail to score, then it will put JB under a bit of pressure?

I get the impression you're not Jon Brady's number one fan? Please feel free to prove me wrong, if you wish.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 15, 2021, 21:58:29 pm
Does anyone feel that if we lose this and fail to score, then it will put JB under a bit of pressure?

100% no.
However a loss of any sorts will really signify the start of another season of struggle.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Manwork04 on October 15, 2021, 22:32:05 pm
Does anyone feel that if we lose this and fail to score, then it will put JB under a bit of pressure?
100% Yes.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Risdene on October 16, 2021, 06:45:25 am
100% Yes.
I suggest you go and support Watford if you can not show loyalty to management!

If takes at least 2 years to show consistant improvements.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Zen Master on October 16, 2021, 09:08:13 am
I wonder what the difference in playing budgets is from when Calderwood managed us compared to now?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Shoemender on October 16, 2021, 10:20:54 am
I suggest you go and support Watford if you can not show loyalty to management!

If takes at least 2 years to show consistant improvements.

The question was; "If we lose and fail to score, will JB be under a bit of pressure". Not whether he shows loyalty to management.
I support JB but do think he'll be under a bit of pressure if we lose and/or fail to score again and even more so if it continues on to Tuesday.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 16, 2021, 11:04:11 am
Iím as optimistic as always when it comes to events on the pitch. We're going to romp this one..

3-0.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobblertone on October 16, 2021, 12:07:57 pm
Weíre due a win, 2 v 0.
If we lose the next two any dissenting voices will get louder and the redevelopment thread will get busier.
We need one of the strikers to start on a purple patch. Etete needs one soon as his confidence must be shot after the start at Coventry. Heís clearly got goals in him and Iím sure when he moves on heíll be scoring for fun elsewhere. The Cobblers curse.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 16, 2021, 14:11:00 pm
I get the impression you're not Jon Brady's number one fan? Please feel free to prove me wrong, if you wish.

Cobblers and football fan first. I'm of the opinion a manager/leader needs to inspire confidence, not be given it blindly.
Seen very little to inspire me  at the minute.

However persisting with 4-2-3-1 and an unchanged team today gets the thumbs up 👍


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: bungle on October 16, 2021, 14:22:31 pm
However persisting with 4-2-3-1 and an unchanged team today gets the thumbs up 👍

Agreed. Brady's done the right thing in sticking with 4-2-3-1 IMHO.

Etete needs time to adapt to the lone striker role and we need to improve the service into him.
Actually think Hoskins looked dangerous last week, despite his wastefulness in front of goal - this
formation suits his game. There's certainly no point in playing two up front at the moment: much better to put an extra midfielder on and improve the supply line and pressing.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 16, 2021, 14:26:38 pm
Just woke up with a very bad feeling about this one.
0-1 Hoskmiester OG 96th min


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 16, 2021, 14:27:25 pm
Agreed, happy with the starting 11 and formation.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Baldy on October 16, 2021, 15:06:01 pm
Just woke up with a very bad feeling about this one.
0-1 Hoskmiester OG 96th min
Bloody hell, I had exactly the same dream!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 16, 2021, 15:27:07 pm
Brady in !!!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Baldy on October 16, 2021, 15:29:35 pm


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 16, 2021, 15:52:16 pm
These are there for the taking.

Their strikers have offered very little.

Kions a threat up top.




Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 16, 2021, 16:19:07 pm
I truly believe theres a 2nd goal in us


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 16, 2021, 16:24:18 pm
ET hits the bar..


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Baldy on October 16, 2021, 16:33:54 pm
I truly believe theres a 2nd goal in us
I don't


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Baldy on October 16, 2021, 16:36:28 pm
Get in there!!!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 16, 2021, 16:36:59 pm
Gooooallllll....the Horse!

Brady in


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Baldy on October 16, 2021, 16:40:26 pm
The Baldy / Feelgood Strike force scores again!!!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 16, 2021, 16:46:39 pm
Kion had a great game. Deserved a goal.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 16, 2021, 16:55:41 pm
Kion had a great game. Deserved a goal.
Hes the greatest


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 16, 2021, 16:56:31 pm
Still cant understand why the Pollmiester isnt getting a look in


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 16, 2021, 17:00:13 pm
2-0 FT eieieio


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 16, 2021, 17:02:19 pm
2-0 FT, Stags were given a pen which might have made it interesting.....had it not been changed to a freekick!!

attendance 6,034 including 1019 Staggies


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: bungle on October 16, 2021, 17:04:05 pm
Good solid win.

Etete is growing into the role of lone front man. Good performance from him today and hit the bar - I think the goals will come. Once again, I think 4-2-3-1 suits our strengths: Horsfall and Guthrie with a DM pivot of Sowerby and McWilliams in front of them will be very hard for most L2 teams to break down.  

Forest Green apart, this strikes me as a pretty wide open league. We're up to 8th, level with 7th placed Orient now despite our recent poor run.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 16, 2021, 17:18:21 pm
Good solid win.

Etete is growing into the role of lone front man. Good performance from him today and hit the bar - I think the goals will come. Once again, I think 4-2-3-1 suits our strengths: Horsfall and Guthrie with a DM pivot of Sowerby and McWilliams in front of them will be very hard for most L2 teams to break down.  

Forest Green apart, this strikes me as a pretty wide open league. We're up to 8th, level with 7th placed Orient now despite our recent poor run.

100%, its way forward.

Thought Kion was MOTM today.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobblertone on October 16, 2021, 17:21:43 pm
Weíre due a win, 2 v 0.


No, I didnít  ::)


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 16, 2021, 18:11:58 pm
Does anyone else think McGowan's goal took a deflection off a defender before it went in? Neither RN or the Chron have mentioned it. Also who was the Chris who was co-commentating with Tim, I only listened to the radio once the match had finished and his surname was not mentioned once ?

I thought we deserved to win today, like in fact we did last week, Etete for me was immense but should have scored.

Let's hope for more of the same on Tuesday.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Manwork04 on October 16, 2021, 18:12:24 pm
No, I didnít  ::)
😂 Thereís always next time.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Manwork04 on October 16, 2021, 18:13:50 pm
Does anyone else think McGowan's goal took a deflection off a defender before it went in? Neither RN or the Chron have mentioned it. Also who was the Chris who was co-commentating with Tim, I only listened to the radio once the match had finished and his surname was not mentioned once ?

I thought we deserved to win today, like in fact we did last week, Etete for me was immense but should have scored.

Let's hope for more of the same on Tuesday.
Chris Dunn(g)


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Manwork04 on October 16, 2021, 18:19:35 pm
I thought Mansfield were woeful, we deserved the win but FFS what was going on with Shaun McWilliams? I am a fan but he looked like a competition winner today I lost count how many times he lost the ball, Sowerby wasnít much better either.
On the positive side back four were excellent as was Etete.
Oh and Super Sam was Super Sam.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 16, 2021, 18:20:13 pm
Chris Dunn(g)

Thanks, he did mention a Cambridge connection and I assumed it was an ex-player but I couldn't join up the dots.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: west stand oap on October 16, 2021, 20:01:12 pm
How people see games differently. Manny says McWilliams "looks like a competition winner and Sowerby was not much better". Personally I cannot agree with those comments and listening to Radio Northampton on the way home from the game they were praising McWilliams for regularly winning the ball and his use of the ball. They also thought Sowerby alongside him had a decent game but as we are regularly told on here they know nothing.
Roberts won't have many easier games than today as Mansfield were very poor and the defence was largely untroubled. I thought we linked play well down both sides, McGowan with Hoskins and Koiki with Pinnock. Etete deserved a goal and should have had one. Both goals originated from Pinnock long throws and I thought he was good today, made good use of the ball and also won it back on a number of occasions. We now have 12 league goals and half of them have been scored by defenders.
Great turn out by the Mansfield supporters considering what a dismal run of results they have had. I cannot recall another instance when supporters have chanted the name of an opposing player as they did "Danny, Danny Rose".
Stevenage on Tuesday presents an excellent chance to build on todays result. They lost 0-3 to Oldham today so perhaps a 'phone call to KC would give us some tips.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Shoemender on October 16, 2021, 20:59:03 pm
Good win today, but.... Mansfield were very poor and we were a bit better. Considering how poor they were, we still weren't that convincing. Etete had  good game but needs someone playing off him,......Rose?  McGowan was excellent and scored a great goal. Defence pretty solid but not difficult against an insipid attack, you can see why they haven't scored for a few games.
Sowerby and Lewis were both pretty awful and should have been substituted but again the substitutions were a bit strange. Should have brought Rose on for Lewis to play alongside Etete and Harriman at the end was probably just to waste a bit of time.
Run of the mill victory against a very poor side. Should have been going for more goals at the end instead of trying to keep it in the corner and could very easily have given them a lifeline with the penalty that wasn't with 10 minutes to go, including a mystifying 6 minutes injury time. Happy with the win but we've got to start killing these shıte teams off and improving our goal difference.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Welly Cobb on October 16, 2021, 21:34:09 pm
I though McWilliams has his best game with us in a long time, definitely suited to the base of a midfield, suits his major strengths, tackling, workrate and aggression, and asay from his weaknesses which is picking out the killer pass.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Larry on October 16, 2021, 22:41:37 pm
I though McWilliams has his best game with us in a long time, definitely suited to the base of a midfield, suits his major strengths, tackling, workrate and aggression, and asay from his weaknesses which is picking out the killer pass.

Me too, I thought his natural aggression was more controlled and put to good use today.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 16, 2021, 22:48:56 pm
Etete had good game but needs someone playing off him,......Rose?
Disagree, weíve tried 4-4-2 for pretty much the whole season and it hasnít worked, really hope we stick with Etete up front on his own.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Shoemender on October 17, 2021, 01:07:25 am
Disagree, weíve tried 4-4-2 for pretty much the whole season and it hasnít worked, really hope we stick with Etete up front on his own.

Maybe, but how many goals has he scored up front on his own?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 17, 2021, 08:01:09 am
Personally I think the club needs to offer Koiki and Horsfall a contract ASAP. Its a wide open league, I'd happily take a settled  back four going into next season, league 1 or 2

Can't bear another
Pierre
Watson
Jackman
Bayo

Will they won't they sign, although forward planning and logical thinking never our towns strong point.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Manwork04 on October 17, 2021, 08:47:53 am
Personally I think the club needs to offer Koiki and Horsfall a contract ASAP. Its a wide open league, I'd happily take a settled  back four going into next season, league 1 or 2

Can't bear another
Pierre
Watson
Jackman
Bayo

Will they won't they sign, although forward planning and logical thinking never our towns strong point.


Donít forget Robertís, one of the best keepers weíve had for a while.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 17, 2021, 09:08:49 am
Maybe, but how many goals has he scored up front on his own?

As a whole though the team look far more cohesive and dangerous and I might be wrong but I feel the goals will come for Etete if we persist with the 4-2-3-1. Iím just not convinced bringing back in a striker with 1 goal in around 40 appearances and going back to a system that hasnít created much all season is a good idea.




Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: threeinabed on October 17, 2021, 10:04:16 am
As a whole though the team look far more cohesive and dangerous and I might be wrong but I feel the goals will come for Etete if we persist with the 4-2-3-1. Iím just not convinced bringing back in a striker with 1 goal in around 40 appearances and going back to a system that hasnít created much all season is a good idea.


agreed


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Shoemender on October 17, 2021, 10:16:22 am
As a whole though the team look far more cohesive and dangerous and I might be wrong but I feel the goals will come for Etete if we persist with the 4-2-3-1. Iím just not convinced bringing back in a striker with 1 goal in around 40 appearances and going back to a system that hasnít created much all season is a good idea.




You're probably right, but at times, on his own he had no support. I think he should have left him on with Rose and taken Lewis off who was totally ineffective. Probably saving him for Tuesday.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 17, 2021, 10:21:55 am
No moaning here. Mansfield are an underperforming, but weíll backed side. Cloughie should be under ten times the pressure that Brady was getting from some before this game. Well done NTFC.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 17, 2021, 10:48:09 am
Donít forget Robertís, one of the best keepers weíve had for a while.

Is he only on a 1 year?
Absolute no brainer.
Can't understand how Walsall fans didn't rate him.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: bungle on October 17, 2021, 10:52:14 am
You're probably right, but at times, on his own he had no support. I think he should have left him on with Rose and taken Lewis off who was totally ineffective.  

The main problem is that we don't have a genuinely creative midfielder/no.10 type who can pick a pass, contribute goals themselves or link effectively with a centre forward. Lewis, Flores and Pollock have all been tried there and none of them have had much of an impact in terms of goals or assists.

In the short term, I'd like to see Brady try swapping Connolly for Lewis and moving Hoskins inside so that the attacking triumvirate behind Etete became Pinnock, Hoskins and Connolly. Connolly's end product has left a lot to be desired but his pace causes problems against L2 defences and I think he's offered more of a threat than Lewis based on the games I've seen. The solidity of the DM pivot of McWilliams and Sowerby should give Brady a bit more scope to experiment with different options further forward.

In the long term, I'd like to see Brady bring a number 10 type in for January, even if it was a loanee.

Definitely agree with others that the club need to be proactive about offering Horsfall and Roberts new contracts. Both would be extremely hard to replace and both would potentially have significant re-sale value.







Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 17, 2021, 13:22:55 pm
The main problem is that we don't have a genuinely creative midfielder/no.10 type who can pick a pass, contribute goals themselves or link effectively with a centre forward. Lewis, Flores and Pollock have all been tried there and none of them have had much of an impact in terms of goals or assists.

In the short term, I'd like to see Brady try swapping Connolly for Lewis and moving Hoskins inside so that the attacking triumvirate behind Etete became Pinnock, Hoskins and Connolly. Connolly's end product has left a lot to be desired but his pace causes problems against L2 defences and I think he's offered more of a threat than Lewis based on the games I've seen. The solidity of the DM pivot of McWilliams and Sowerby should give Brady a bit more scope to experiment with different options further forward.

In the long term, I'd like to see Brady bring a number 10 type in for January, even if it was a loanee.

Definitely agree with others that the club need to be proactive about offering Horsfall and Roberts new contracts. Both would be extremely hard to replace and both would potentially have significant re-sale value.



Spot on Bungle. Even allowing for how awful Mansfield were, that was a much improved performance.
Kion on his own up front could work but by jingo if your going to play 4-2-3-1 you want a creative, forward thinking and attacking centre midfield player playing just behind them. Whatever Lewis is he is NOT that.
I like your idea of bringing Sammy into this role but what about growing Scotty P into the role?

The formation and Kion are definitely worth preserving with - Iím just not sure if Lewis is though??


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 17, 2021, 13:27:49 pm
Does anyone else think McGowan's goal took a deflection off a defender before it went in? Neither RN or the Chron have mentioned it. Also who was the Chris who was co-commentating with Tim, I only listened to the radio once the match had finished and his surname was not mentioned once ?

I thought we deserved to win today, like in fact we did last week, Etete for me was immense but should have scored.

Let's hope for more of the same on Tuesday.

Right behind him when he hit it. There was a huge deflection. The shot was going straight to the goalie before the deflection.
Good on MacGowan though for having a go but it was a very lucky goal. We deserved a little bit of fortune though!!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: CJ on October 17, 2021, 13:33:54 pm
Spot on Bungle. Even allowing for how awful Mansfield were, that was a much improved performance.
Kion on his own up front could work but by jingo if your going to play 4-2-3-1 you want a creative, forward thinking and attacking centre midfield player playing just behind them. Whatever Lewis is he is NOT that.
I like your idea of bringing Sammy into this role but what about growing Scotty P into the role?

The formation and Kion are definitely worth preserving with - Iím just not sure if Lewis is though??
I thought Lewis was making some good runs and finding space. Unfortunately other players weren't too good at finding him.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Teachers Pet on October 17, 2021, 14:12:03 pm
Right behind him when he hit it. There was a huge deflection. The shot was going straight to the goalie before the deflection.
Good on MacGowan though for having a go but it was a very lucky goal. We deserved a little bit of fortune though!!

"Huge deflection"  ???

Well I certainly didn't see at the time or on the replay.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 17, 2021, 14:22:22 pm
"Huge deflection"  ???

Well I certainly didn't see at the time or on the replay.
"Huge deflection"  ???

Well I certainly didn't see at the time or on the replay.

Yes, could see it on Quest last night... ;)


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Teachers Pet on October 17, 2021, 14:32:54 pm
Yes, could see it on Quest last night... ;)

If that's the case I stand corrected. If it can be described as "huge" though is a different matter.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Knockingonabit on October 17, 2021, 15:15:49 pm
Never sure about anything these days but...
Thought Guthie, under provocation, threw a right hook in a scuffle by the west/north corner?
Was behind the shot for the first goal and thought it took a deflection, doesn't show on the highlights however.
Regarding the subs Etete was hobbling a minute or two before being replaced.
The more defensively adept Harriman for Kioki seemed a fairly sensible move for the last few minutes, especially as the foul for the "penalty" looked a tired challenge.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 17, 2021, 18:10:17 pm
The main problem is that we don't have a genuinely creative midfielder/no.10 type who can pick a pass, contribute goals themselves or link effectively with a centre forward. Lewis, Flores and Pollock have all been tried there and none of them have had much of an impact in terms of goals or assists.

In the short term, I'd like to see Brady try swapping Connolly for Lewis and moving Hoskins inside so that the attacking triumvirate behind Etete became Pinnock, Hoskins and Connolly. Connolly's end product has left a lot to be desired but his pace causes problems against L2 defences and I think he's offered more of a threat than Lewis based on the games I've seen. The solidity of the DM pivot of McWilliams and Sowerby should give Brady a bit more scope to experiment with different options further forward.

In the long term, I'd like to see Brady bring a number 10 type in for January, even if it was a loanee.

Definitely agree with others that the club need to be proactive about offering Horsfall and Roberts new contracts. Both would be extremely hard to replace and both would potentially have significant re-sale value.








Could not agree more about dropping Lewis and giving Connolly a go.
I think he must be hard trainer though because Brady seems to like him.
Agree on a no 10 being a priority in Jan too as I'm happy with Sowerby and McWilliams in the pivot.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Boot and shoe on October 18, 2021, 08:54:20 am
People mentioning about offering Roberts and Horsfall extended contracts and rightly so .
However , be prepared for disappointment .
Offering a contract is one thing , signing it is another when other clubs are paying bigger money .
Especially some in the league below ours .


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: Boot and shoe on October 18, 2021, 09:18:46 am
We do have a number 10 already donít forget .
JB says that is Pollockís best position .
Maybe he is not disciplined enough or too lightweight to be selected but it is an option.
The other question is , where does Rose fit in to this system ?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town at home Saturday 16/10/21
Post by: cobbler151 on October 18, 2021, 09:33:35 am
We do have a number 10 already donít forget .
JB says that is Pollockís best position .
Maybe he is not disciplined enough or too lightweight to be selected but it is an option.
The other question is , where does Rose fit in to this system ?

I am a Rose fan, think he could be useful. More much so than Kabamba and Seal anyway.
I think our plan be should be switching to a 4-3-3 if things aint going our way and could move Hoskins/Connolly up top and bring Rose on to play along side KE if we where chasing a game.
Saying that I think he has the energy and aerial ability  to do the do the role in a 4-2-3-1 anyway.