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Title: yorkshire
Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 13, 2021, 05:56:50 am
Harry Enfield had it nailed.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: Shoemender on November 13, 2021, 09:17:15 am
Harry Enfield had it nailed.

"Don't be a pouff, eat white bread!!!"


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: singcobb on November 13, 2021, 11:11:32 am
Nowt but a load of lagershandy drinking southern woofters down here.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 14, 2021, 08:17:18 am
I messed up a bit. Heres what I was trying to post, 31 seconds in.
Strange the way these things work out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY4tD2Hbg_A


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 14, 2021, 08:29:04 am
When on a roll...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkzxGr4Yx8U


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: Shoemender on November 14, 2021, 08:32:42 am
I messed up a bit. Heres what I was trying to post, 31 seconds in.
Strange the way these things work out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY4tD2Hbg_A

Absolute classic. He had it  totally spot on in all aspects of stereotypical Yorkshireness.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 16, 2021, 12:17:01 pm
After listening to the evidence offered up today, I really hope its not all true. If it is, it is a sad indictment and insight into the poor blokes life around some serious fcuking @rseholes.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: EB Claret on November 16, 2021, 23:35:12 pm
After listening to the evidence offered up today, I really hope its not all true. If it is, it is a sad indictment and insight into the poor blokes life around some serious fcuking @rseholes.

Some complicated issues here.
" Racism isn't  banter" true enough
" Banter isn't always Racism" also true especially between best mates.
Rafiq was so unhappy during his time at Yorkshire he decided to sign for them a second time, odd.

He was released by the county again in 2018 and in the same year endured the agony of the death of his still born son. This must be the year his sense of life's injustice was triggered by his understandable grief.

He sounds bitter and when his memories of his time in the game, coloured or not, are added to his sad experiences he has a tragic story to tell.
But is cricket inherently racist? Rafiq was the youngest and first Asian captain of Yorkshire, so was not held back by his race.

It is obviously right to look into such matters but as with all history we should try to learn from it not change it or seek to paint over.   


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: Manwork04 on November 19, 2021, 11:04:23 am
So it turns out MR Rafiq is in fact a racist himself, what an absolute cûnt.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/18/azeem-rafiq-apologises-antisemitic-messages-2011-cricket.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: singcobb on November 19, 2021, 14:03:36 pm
Some complicated issues here.
" Racism isn't  banter" true enough
" Banter isn't always Racism" also true especially between best mates.
Rafiq was so unhappy during his time at Yorkshire he decided to sign for them a second time, odd.

He was released by the county again in 2018 and in the same year endured the agony of the death of his still born son. This must be the year his sense of life's injustice was triggered by his understandable grief.

He sounds bitter and when his memories of his time in the game, coloured or not, are added to his sad experiences he has a tragic story to tell.
But is cricket inherently racist? Rafiq was the youngest and first Asian captain of Yorkshire, so was not held back by his race.

It is obviously right to look into such matters but as with all history we should try to learn from it not change it or seek to paint over.  


And it was obviously so bad that he had to sign up for another very lucrative season just to make sure.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: CJ on November 19, 2021, 15:19:48 pm
So it turns out MR Rafiq is in fact a racist himself, what an absolute cûnt.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/18/azeem-rafiq-apologises-antisemitic-messages-2011-cricket.
Yep. In respects worse than his defendants.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: EB Claret on November 19, 2021, 20:37:31 pm
So it turns out MR Rafiq is in fact a racist himself, what an absolute cûnt.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/18/azeem-rafiq-apologises-antisemitic-messages-2011-cricket.

I suppose he's right that Cricket is institutionally racist and he is part of that institution.

The old saying of not poking a wasp nest with a stick comes to mind.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 21, 2021, 09:36:42 am
There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding here. Nothing justifies the racism he underwent. Not even the fact that he has made racist remarks himself. Yes… It completely impacts on his virtuous and righteous stance. But those that racially abused him, didn’t do so because they were returning his lack of moral fibre. They did it because the colour of his skin and his ethnicity.

“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. That’s all of us fcuked  ;D


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: CJ on November 21, 2021, 17:06:44 pm
There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding here. Nothing justifies the racism he underwent. Not even the fact that he has made racist remarks himself. Yes… It completely impacts on his virtuous and righteous stance. But those that racially abused him, didn’t do so because they were returning his lack of moral fibre. They did it because the colour of his skin and his ethnicity.

“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. That’s all of us fcuked  ;D

I don't think there's any misunderstanding (on this board) at all. I think we are all acutely aware that one wrong does not justify another.
What makes you think otherwise?


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: singcobb on November 22, 2021, 00:00:13 am
What annoys me is he seems to think he can just make a simpering apology and that is enough for his transgression but not the transgressions of others.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: Winslow Lee on November 25, 2021, 16:41:53 pm
I think there is a big difference between institutional and individual racism. We could debate the amount of culpability of individual cases all day but racism will only be reduced when institutions take it seriously and put the proper protocols in place.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: singcobb on November 25, 2021, 22:12:09 pm
I think there is a big difference between institutional and individual racism. We could debate the amount of culpability of individual cases all day but racism will only be reduced when institutions take it seriously and put the proper protocols in place.


Again I will ask if it was that fúcking bad why did he sign for another very lucrative season? Money is more important than morals until such time as you can exploit the former.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 27, 2021, 17:51:50 pm
Again I will ask if it was that fúcking bad why did he sign for another very lucrative season? Money is more important than morals until such time as you can exploit the former.

Do you think he suffered at the hands of racists?


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: EB Claret on November 27, 2021, 20:55:00 pm
Do you think he suffered at the hands of racists?

I think he suffered at the hands of 'Banterists'

I'm sure there is 'banter' at all sporting clubs (and everywhere else) that is extremely un PC and maybe beyond the pale. However to avoid offending anyone, we all have to stop saying anything at all and if we stop talking we stop being Human.

In other words I don't know what the answer is, but keeping calm and carrying on would be a start.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 27, 2021, 22:48:56 pm
Banterists.. Yeeeeaaaah  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 16, 2021, 17:22:47 pm
Again I will ask if it was that fúcking bad why did he sign for another very lucrative season? Money is more important than morals until such time as you can exploit the former.
so you think that he should be the one, in effect, punished by giving up on his career? While the people alleged to have made the comments can carry on? That's an interesting view and one that tells us a lot about you.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: singcobb on December 18, 2021, 12:54:50 pm
so you think that he should be the one, in effect, punished by giving up on his career? While the people alleged to have made the comments can carry on? That's an interesting view and one that tells us a lot about you.

I think your reply speaks volumes about your simplistic thinking. How would it have meant giving up on his career? Are Yorkshire the only game in town? Why did he not speak up at the time? If he had been persecuted for speaking out the press and the ECB would have crucified Yorkshire


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: Manwork04 on December 18, 2021, 14:42:05 pm
I think your reply speaks volumes about your simplistic thinking. How would it have meant giving up on his career? Are Yorkshire the only game in town? Why did he not speak up at the time? If he had been persecuted for speaking out the press and the ECB would have crucified Yorkshire
Agree completely Singcobb, anyway he who is without sin and all that, Rafiq is a self confessed racist so is no better than who he is accusing.
It’s was pretty obvious he is looking for a payout in compensation.


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 18, 2021, 14:57:25 pm
I think your reply speaks volumes about your simplistic thinking. How would it have meant giving up on his career? Are Yorkshire the only game in town? Why did he not speak up at the time? If he had been persecuted for speaking out the press and the ECB would have crucified Yorkshire
Why should he have been the person that had to leave the club in order to no longer be racially abused?


Title: Re: yorkshire
Post by: singcobb on December 24, 2021, 15:07:06 pm
Why should he have been the person that had to leave the club in order to no longer be racially abused?
So we are back to the point where he considered that the money he got from his contract with Yorkshire was enough to pay for his silence.
Wether he would have had to leave the club is a moot point as he didn't bring it up at the time.