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Title: Politics
Post by: guest49 on February 01, 2022, 16:05:23 pm
Plenty in the Cobblers section but not over here.

Absolutely brilliant PMQ's yesterday, although Boris quickly became like a broken record, as were some of the dumb questions. The SNP walk out/throw out was very entertaining and enjoyed the Savile jibe aimed at Starmer. It was also great to see the likes of T May biting back who played a blinder. "so either my right honourable friend had not read the rules or didnít understand what they meant and others around him, or they didnít think the rules applied to Number 10. Which was it?Ē of course he refuted that the report didn't say any of that. I do think there are elements of him that he thinks if he denies something enough it becomes true.

I think there may be a bit of a consensus that the public aren't that bothered about the parties but I don't think that could be further from the truth.
The repeating script of not seeing relatives is getting a bit tiresome but the principle is that those who wrote and came up with the rules, were in the minority of the people who didn't follow them. It's indefensible. Boris makes it worse by avoiding any question of note and hiding behind police reports which will probably never see the light of day. The update/report as it is doesn't give too much away but anyone with an ounce of common sense can read between the lines, which makes you think that Bojo will pull the strings from this point.

The arguments of "what's the alternative?" aren't relevant either. This is one perfect example (and they are used too loosely) that most people would be down the road for a lot, lot less.

Politics is so brilliantly and openly corrupt at times, you've gotta love it!
He must be praying for some more action in Russia, a couple of Mason Greenwood's and a new Covid variant!  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carton Lid on February 01, 2022, 16:15:48 pm


I think there may be a bit of a consensus that the public aren't that bothered about the parties but I don't think that could be further from the truth.
The repeating script of not seeing relatives is getting a bit tiresome but the principle is that those who wrote and came up with the rules, were in the minority of the people who didn't follow them. It's indefensible. Boris makes it worse by avoiding any question of note and hiding behind police reports which will probably never see the light of day. T
To me it's not so much about the parties, it's the fact that he lied to the House on numerous occasions. Why should we expect him to tell the truth when he's been a liar all his life and he will lie about anything to get himself out of a tight squeeze, he doesn't see it as doing anything wrong  :o :(


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 01, 2022, 21:16:50 pm
To me it's not so much about the parties, it's the fact that he lied to the House on numerous occasions. Why should we expect him to tell the truth when he's been a liar all his life and he will lie about anything to get himself out of a tight squeeze, he doesn't see it as doing anything wrong  :o :(
Read his school reports. He is the same now as then. it's part of his character.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 02, 2022, 17:33:14 pm
When Donald Trump came along the mantra was that only in America could an inept bumbling TV personality with an ego and the intellect of an amoeba get to run the country. Apparently not.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 02, 2022, 18:38:22 pm
Went to see Matt Forde on Monday night and he has a good take on the people's attitudes toward the recent Partygate shenanigans:
The group who believe that he is lying and should be sacked or resign.
The group who believe that he is lying but don't give a toss.
And the amazing group who believe that he is telling the truth... 8)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 03, 2022, 11:25:03 am
He is, and always was, a nasty piece of work...
"I was reminded of this the other day when I saw a post from someone I do not know in real life, who quoted a 400-word post from someone else I know even less, a man called Damian Furniss, a writer and health and social care worker based in Devon. It described his time at Oxford, where, he writes, he encountered David Cameron and Boris Johnson. He confesses to quite liking Cameron, whom he describes as a laid-back slacker into cheroots and prog rock, and with the memorable line: ďEven when I sabotaged his college beagle pack he took it in good humour.Ē

But when he gets to Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson the tone changes. He met Johnson, he writes, in the Balliol College bar on the eve of his interview. Johnson Ė halfway through his college ďcareerĒ and three years older than the writer Ė was with a group of cronies. Bear in mind that Furniss was a working-class rural boy with a stammer. He imagined that Johnson would act as a kind of ambassador for the college. Instead, he alleges, Johnsonís ďpiss-taking was brutal. In the course of the pint I felt obliged to finish he mocked my speech impediment, my accent, my school, my dress sense, my haircut, my background, my fatherís work as farm worker and garage proprietor, and my prospects in the scholarship interview I was there for.Ē

We could have had the dry, boring efficiency of Jeremy Hunt, but apparently he doesn't ruffle his hair nearly as well as BJ.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 04, 2022, 07:05:01 am
He is, and always was, a nasty piece of work...
"I was reminded of this the other day when I saw a post from someone I do not know in real life, who quoted a 400-word post from someone else I know even less, a man called Damian Furniss, a writer and health and social care worker based in Devon. It described his time at Oxford, where, he writes, he encountered David Cameron and Boris Johnson. He confesses to quite liking Cameron, whom he describes as a laid-back slacker into cheroots and prog rock, and with the memorable line: ďEven when I sabotaged his college beagle pack he took it in good humour.Ē

But when he gets to Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson the tone changes. He met Johnson, he writes, in the Balliol College bar on the eve of his interview. Johnson Ė halfway through his college ďcareerĒ and three years older than the writer Ė was with a group of cronies. Bear in mind that Furniss was a working-class rural boy with a stammer. He imagined that Johnson would act as a kind of ambassador for the college. Instead, he alleges, Johnsonís ď****-taking was brutal. In the course of the pint I felt obliged to finish he mocked my speech impediment, my accent, my school, my dress sense, my haircut, my background, my fatherís work as farm worker and garage proprietor, and my prospects in the scholarship interview I was there for.Ē

We could have had the dry, boring efficiency of Jeremy Hunt, but apparently he doesn't ruffle his hair nearly as well as BJ.
Fcuk me, the irony. Had the clueless buffoon a dad who owned a garage he could have been talking about himself. What a bell end.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3481 on February 04, 2022, 10:21:46 am
You can look at so many countries and think "fcuk me, is that the best the country has to offer"?
I see that the much anticipated levelling up paper was copied and pasted from Wikipedia, we've been given money back (most of which is a loan) for fuel bills supplied by a company with record profits. NI is going up yet billions of fraud has been written off to protect his mates.
And the sheer fcking irony of the BJ supporters saying he needs to help Ukraine when for years they've been beating the 'fix UK first' agenda is baffling. (don't get me wrong we need to support Ukraine). The guy is a liability and either needs to come clean or resign. Personally if he properly apologies, actually sorts stuff out and puts himself on a final notice then have no issues with him staying. Especially when the alternatives are one of the most evil people we've had in modern politics, someone obsessed with cheese and pork, a drunk, or someone who doesnt give a toss about the financial welfare of most of the country.

Rant over  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 04, 2022, 12:20:27 pm
BJ won a massive overall majority at the last G.E thanks to two things. Our voting system and the 'opposition'.

Most of us that voted for him, did so knowing full well he's a complete tw@t. However, in our view, he was slightly less of a complete tw@t than Mr Corbyn. Forget anyone else who we could have aligned with at the time..it was all about Johnson Versus Corbyn.

If it was the FA Cup, even the BBC would struggle to decide which one to televise out of the above and Trump versus Clinton. Its ironic that Trump lost the last presidency because his role of being the slightly less odious out of the two, was taken up by the truly appalling candidate that Mr Biden was/is.

To add more armoury here to those who are more aligned to the left of the political spectrum than I am (I consider myself very centrist these days), it wasn't just Corbyn. Add McDonnel and Abbot to the alternative pot.

Until the opposition sort themselves out, and by that I mean let the left of the labour party all get behind Corbyn and set up a new momentum party which would enable Labour to be more coherent and balanced with its policies (which as things stand, none of us actually know what they are!!), then Boris's replacement will comfortably win the next G.E.

I too find it fascinating. But only on the basis that practically all of the front line on both sides of the house are complete knob jockey's. Then again, I cant stand most politicians. Especially that lady from New Zealand who has locked the country up now for over 2 years and still wont relent despite 94% of their over12 population having had 3 jabs. They are turning into North Korea. Yet despite this, the momentum left in this country all seem to use her as a role model of 'how to do things'. Which I guess is why Ill never join them ideologically!  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 04, 2022, 13:23:42 pm
BJ won a massive overall majority at the last G.E thanks to two things. Our voting system and the 'opposition'.

Most of us that voted for him, did so knowing full well he's a complete tw@t. However, in our view, he was slightly less of a complete tw@t than Mr Corbyn. Forget anyone else who we could have aligned with at the time..it was all about Johnson Versus Corbyn.

If it was the FA Cup, even the BBC would struggle to decide which one to televise out of the above and Trump versus Clinton. Its ironic that Trump lost the last presidency because his role of being the slightly less odious out of the two, was taken up by the truly appalling candidate that Mr Biden was/is.

To add more armoury here to those who are more aligned to the left of the political spectrum than I am (I consider myself very centrist these days), it wasn't just Corbyn. Add McDonnel and Abbot to the alternative pot.

Until the opposition sort themselves out, and by that I mean let the left of the labour party all get behind Corbyn and set up a new momentum party which would enable Labour to be more coherent and balanced with its policies (which as things stand, none of us actually know what they are!!), then Boris's replacement will comfortably win the next G.E.

I too find it fascinating. But only on the basis that practically all of the front line on both sides of the house are complete knob jockey's. Then again, I cant stand most politicians. Especially that lady from New Zealand who has locked the country up now for over 2 years and still wont relent despite 94% of their over12 population having had 3 jabs. They are turning into North Korea. Yet despite this, the momentum left in this country all seem to use her as a role model of 'how to do things'. Which I guess is why Ill never join them ideologically!  ;D
Or we could have a centrist " One Nation" Tory government, with those few competent MP's that have been exiled for being too pro Europe, welcomed back into the fold? The moral vacuum at the head of the party needs to go first though.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3338 on February 20, 2022, 22:39:34 pm
'That warped c**t isn't getting the sack is he'


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 23, 2022, 18:59:43 pm
'That warped c**t isn't getting the sack is he'
Money, money, money.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-report-donors-boris-johnson-conservative-party-2020-7?r=US&IR=T&fbclid=IwAR1-pwoPHJZI8lidbQII_XTKc5pb3thhdlBkb0hKedmTTTFu37pjP8ddxBs


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3338 on March 01, 2022, 16:44:22 pm
Money, money, money.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-report-donors-boris-johnson-conservative-party-2020-7?r=US&IR=T&fbclid=IwAR1-pwoPHJZI8lidbQII_XTKc5pb3thhdlBkb0hKedmTTTFu37pjP8ddxBs
Quelle surprise.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on April 17, 2022, 15:00:05 pm
I fŻcking love Boris, heís a mate who Iíve known for years, absolute top man.
The BBC with their relentless campaign against him are on the way out, the rats are already leaving in their droves.
I feel the need to reset a few young minds, the NI increases are to fund the hapless NHS and provide adequate social care something that numerous Labour governments have failed to address.
Labour under Captain Hindsight donít stand a chance, ironically the SNP have seen to that.
Get ready for another 4 years of wonderful capitalism and of course good old Boris. 😎


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on April 17, 2022, 19:58:54 pm
I fŻcking love Boris, heís a mate who Iíve known for years, absolute top man.
The BBC with their relentless campaign against him are on the way out, the rats are already leaving in their droves.
I feel the need to reset a few young minds, the NI increases are to fund the hapless NHS and provide adequate social care something that numerous Labour governments have failed to address.
Labour under Captain Hindsight donít stand a chance, ironically the SNP have seen to that.
Get ready for another 4 years of wonderful capitalism and of course good old Boris. 😎

Boris is certainly top man when it comes to insincerity. That shambling partygate apology, reading a scripted statement, our Prime Minister couldn't find his own words and could barely look at the camera! You could always try watching other channels instead of the BBC but you won't notice any difference.
What Boris does have going for him is a personality (flawed as it may be) compared to the rest of the colourless Westminster rabble. Whatever he does people tend to grin, shrug and say "well that's Boris for you", then they vote for him again.                                                         
When you say Capitalism, do you mean that in a political sense or a geographical one?
Can't argue with your thoughts on Kier Starmer though (YAWN!) ::)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on April 18, 2022, 10:23:36 am
I fŻcking love Boris, heís a mate who Iíve known for years, absolute top man.
The BBC with their relentless campaign against him are on the way out, the rats are already leaving in their droves.
I feel the need to reset a few young minds, the NI increases are to fund the hapless NHS and provide adequate social care something that numerous Labour governments have failed to address.
Labour under Captain Hindsight donít stand a chance, ironically the SNP have seen to that.
Get ready for another 4 years of wonderful capitalism and of course good old Boris. 😎

Well if he told you he is a mate of yours best make sure you are still useful to him - I'm sure nothing I say is going to change your mind but be assured across Europe (EU and non- EU, right and left) the man is a complete laughing stock and demeans the high reputation the UK used to have.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest49 on April 19, 2022, 07:59:05 am
Old 'Dishy Rishi' will soon be on his way. A few more fixed pens will add embarrassment to No.10 but until there is any credible alternative the party boy will stay in office.
I think they'll need to be some tangible changes before the winter to prevent wide spread poverty (in the western sense) for a sizeable chunk of the population, which will be ludicrous considering our wealth.
As always it is the poorest and middle earners who continue to feel the brunt. Mortgage rate increases, fuel increases, food increases, energy increases, NI increase + modest wage increases = the perfect storm.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on April 30, 2022, 11:44:20 am
Let's hear it for the beer!.........................and the lady who forgot she was there.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on May 20, 2022, 21:45:11 pm
Well, off to the polls today for another dilemma about whether I vote for a broken arm or a broken leg? To make it worse I have to vote by law and further to this have to put all the candidates in order of preference. By the way thatís twice, once for the House of Representatives, once for the Senate. The hardest days work Iíve done in a fair while. I remember the good old days when you were allowed to stay at home and not bother specifying a twŗt over a cķnt.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bog Paper on May 21, 2022, 10:22:15 am
Well, off to the polls today for another dilemma about whether I vote for a broken arm or a broken leg? To make it worse I have to vote by law and further to this have to put all the candidates in order of preference. By the way thatís twice, once for the House of Representatives, once for the Senate. The hardest days work Iíve done in a fair while. I remember the good old days when you were allowed to stay at home and not bother specifying a twŗt over a cķnt.

You're sufering from the 'grass is greener' syndrome, but as you say, at least here you don't have to bother. As you get older, you begin to realise that it doesn't matter who you vote for, nothing much ever really changes. It never takes long for all the hopes and expectations that people have when there's a new government elected to turn to dust.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on May 21, 2022, 23:35:27 pm
You're sufering from the 'grass is greener' syndrome, but as you say, at least here you don't have to bother. As you get older, you begin to realise that it doesn't matter who you vote for, nothing much ever really changes. It never takes long for all the hopes and expectations that people have when there's a new government elected to turn to dust.
Sounds familiar  ďDonít be told about what you want and donít be told about what you need, thereís no future for youĒ. ďWhere thereís no future how can there be sin, weíre the flowers in the dustbinĒName the song?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on May 23, 2022, 11:57:01 am
Anyone any idea who the MP is who drugged four men and licked their nipples? Nothing on the BBC. I'm beginning to wonder if it was all a bad dream I had.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on May 23, 2022, 14:00:56 pm
Anyone any idea who the MP is who drugged four men and licked their nipples? Nothing on the BBC. I'm beginning to wonder if it was all a bad dream I had.
Have a look on Twitter #nipplegate. one name keeps getting mentioned.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on May 23, 2022, 17:19:02 pm
Have a look on Twitter #nipplegate. one name keeps getting mentioned.
I'm banned from Twitting. It's all a misunderstanding though.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on May 23, 2022, 18:25:23 pm
I'm banned from Twitting. It's all a misunderstanding though.

Just back after a short break on twitter, sitting out a 30 day ban from Facebook which for something run by a Yid follows the rules of Nazism.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on May 26, 2022, 07:57:46 am
What a scumbag Boris Johnson is, someone should tell him what the word Ďintegrityí means as this weasel hasnít got a single thread of moral fibre.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on May 26, 2022, 09:09:11 am
Sounds familiar  ďDonít be told about what you want and donít be told about what you need, thereís no future for youĒ. ďWhere thereís no future how can there be sin, weíre the flowers in the dustbinĒName the song?
How very apt in the year of Platinum Jubilee, you think they will do a re release this time round.

(Its God Save the Quees by the Pistols in case you didn't work it out)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on June 11, 2022, 04:24:54 am
Anyone any idea who the MP is who drugged four men and licked their nipples? Nothing on the BBC. I'm beginning to wonder if it was all a bad dream I had.
Someone said Mary Whitehouse did that in the 80s but I donít believe it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on June 11, 2022, 06:38:40 am
Someone said Mary Whitehouse did that in the 80s but I don’t believe it.

They might have said that on the Mary Whitehouse Experience ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 11, 2022, 08:53:31 am
They might have said that on the Mary Whitehouse Experience ;D

Loved that programme. It was the one show you'd get to school the next day and everyone was quoting.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on June 24, 2022, 19:55:46 pm
So the shambles that is the conservatives continues!. They get a good beating in the two by-elections (Triggered because of one MP who sexually assaulted a 15 year old boy and another who thought it was ok to watch porn in parliament). Unbelievable Boris still believes heís the right man for the job but I guess thatís no surprise as he clearly wonít take any responsibility for anything after the disgusting law breaking of partygate.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 24, 2022, 21:38:27 pm
So the shambles that is the conservatives continues!. They get a good beating in the two by-elections (Triggered because of one MP who sexually assaulted a 15 year old boy and another who thought it was ok to watch **** in parliament). Unbelievable Boris still believes heís the right man for the job but I guess thatís no surprise as he clearly wonít take any responsibility for anything after the disgusting law breaking of partygate.

He's got to go!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 25, 2022, 05:26:00 am
He's got to go!

He won't though because for Boris it's always all about Boris - he couldn't give a toss what anyone else thinks.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 25, 2022, 05:35:23 am
He won't though because for Boris it's always all about Boris - he couldn't give a toss what anyone else thinks.

Very true.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on June 25, 2022, 08:02:09 am
It was wrongly reported recently that he'd had an operation on his nose. In fact it was exploratory surgery to try and find his moral compass, the procedure was deemed a complete failure.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 26, 2022, 08:28:52 am
It was wrongly reported recently that he'd had an operation on his nose. In fact it was exploratory surgery to try and find his moral compass, the procedure was deemed a complete failure.

A sentence about Johnson including the words complete failure. Who'd have thought it!  :o


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on June 27, 2022, 07:11:04 am
He won't though because for Boris it's always all about Boris - he couldn't give a toss what anyone else thinks.

While that is true I also think the guy is a complete fantasist with a tenuous grasp on reality. I think he is so used to ludicrous and ridiculous statements that has no idea about truth, with Boris world having little resemblance to the real one.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on June 29, 2022, 16:39:49 pm
While that is true I also think the guy is a complete fantasist with a tenuous grasp on reality. I think he is so used to ludicrous and ridiculous statements that has no idea about truth, with Boris world having little resemblance to the real one.

Where as the Labour Party is full of upright law abiding citizens? currently Labour are 3 points ahead in the poles, fcuk me thatís hilarious even with Labourís propaganda machine the BBC news pumping out left bias lies constantly, thatís the best they can do.
Another 4 years of left wing bleating, I fcuking love it, Brexit, Boris Johnson, Food Banks blah blah blah.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on June 29, 2022, 16:52:44 pm
Where as the Labour Party is full of upright law abiding citizens? currently Labour are 3 points ahead in the poles, fcuk me that’s hilarious even with Labour’s propaganda machine the BBC news pumping out left bias lies constantly, that’s the best they can do.
Another 4 years of left wing bleating, I fcuking love it, Brexit, Boris Johnson, Food Banks blah blah blah.


Real chuckle today with Corbyn being criticised by the war criminal Blair.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on June 30, 2022, 17:59:21 pm
Real chuckle today with Corbyn being criticised by the war criminal Blair.
Fcuk me thereís not much to choose between those, what sticks in the throat is Blair still earning a fortune
Instead of being in prison.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on June 30, 2022, 18:11:40 pm
Fcuk me there’s not much to choose between those, what sticks in the throat is Blair still earning a fortune
Instead of being in prison.

And his thieving wife.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on June 30, 2022, 19:46:26 pm
Where as the Labour Party is full of upright law abiding citizens? currently Labour are 3 points ahead in the poles, fcuk me thatís hilarious even with Labourís propaganda machine the BBC news pumping out left bias lies constantly, thatís the best they can do.
Another 4 years of left wing bleating, I fcuking love it, Brexit, Boris Johnson, Food Banks blah blah blah.


Donít particularly care for the Labour Party either. Not sure they need a propaganda machine though, in the same way Corbyn made Labour unelectable Boris is managing to fŁck up one of the biggest majorities by taking being a prize cŁnt to the next level.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on June 30, 2022, 20:07:23 pm
Yet another Conservative forced to resign over sleaze!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on July 04, 2022, 12:00:29 pm
Yet another Conservative forced to resign over sleaze!

Quite a few on here could resign too


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on July 05, 2022, 17:19:23 pm
Things are getting even more interesting!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 05, 2022, 17:23:18 pm
Things are getting even more interesting!
Rishi Sunak has indeed just resigned.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on July 05, 2022, 17:32:49 pm
What a shambles  ;D



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 05, 2022, 17:35:38 pm
Javid gone too. Are they all going to go? He can't do it all on his own. Arguably he can't even do his own job...


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 05, 2022, 17:44:17 pm
Larry the cat is next.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on July 05, 2022, 18:18:32 pm
Dead man walking?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on July 05, 2022, 19:12:41 pm
The end is nigh.
:D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on July 05, 2022, 20:58:51 pm
Wonder how the oaf will sleep tonight?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on July 05, 2022, 21:32:37 pm
Wonder how the oaf will sleep tonight?

Soundly, he doesn't think he has done anything wrong. He


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on July 05, 2022, 21:50:38 pm
Soundly, he doesn't think he has done anything wrong. He is

I donít think he even understands the concept of right and wrong, or truth and lies for that matter, the word integrity definitely isnít in his lexicon.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Mawsley on July 06, 2022, 01:44:12 am
Wonder how the oaf will sleep tonight?
Depends on whether heís with his wife or someone elseís PPS.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on July 06, 2022, 18:39:21 pm
Surely canít be long now, donít let the door hit you on the way out Boris.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on July 06, 2022, 19:02:50 pm
And now, the end is near, and as he faces his final curtain.....


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 06, 2022, 19:28:20 pm
He won't go of his own accord. Anyone else would see their position as untenable, anyone else, but he's not normal. He just doesn't care what anyone else thinks, he'll just plough on regardless.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on July 06, 2022, 19:50:43 pm
He won't go of his own accord. Anyone else would see their position as untenable, anyone else, but he's not normal. He just doesn't care what anyone else thinks, he'll just plough on regardless.

Probably on his own! Up to 39 resignations now since yesterday!!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on July 06, 2022, 20:26:34 pm
Now Boris is sacking people!! this clown show is getting even more ludicrous!!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 06, 2022, 20:37:05 pm
Now Boris is sacking people!! this clown show is getting even more ludicrous!!

Brilliant, isn't it? At this rate the government will consist of Boris, Larry and Rees-Mogg (in descending order of intelligence)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 06, 2022, 20:41:57 pm
Now Boris is sacking people!! this clown show is getting even more ludicrous!!
I just wonder if Gove has any further dirt to dish up. He has got a very wonky face though. I wouldnt trust him.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on July 07, 2022, 08:22:58 am
Finally!!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 07, 2022, 10:07:17 am
Finally!!
He said he was still going to be PM in 2030 last week. Pah! He barely made it to ten past nine.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 07, 2022, 10:13:32 am
So the thing that brought him down wasn't his incompetence, corruption or cruelty, but the dark dangerous and damaging sexual appetite of Mr Pincher.
I wonder if the dark, dangerous, damaging desires that led to this behaviour, are the same dark, dangerous, damaging desires that lead you to become a Tory in the first place?
The whole party should be in therapy.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on July 07, 2022, 17:54:32 pm
Caretaker manager - no! Just go, have you not noticed that you are not wanted.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on July 07, 2022, 17:56:22 pm
I keep on agreeing with comments on this thread, can't be having that. Come on Manny let's have you sticking up for him! 😀 Defend the indefensible.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on July 07, 2022, 18:35:32 pm
I keep on agreeing with comments on this thread, can't be having that. Come on Manny let's have you sticking up for him! 😀 Defend the indefensible.

It wouldnít surprise me if Boris offered Manny a job in government during the whole embarrassing fiasco. MP for the newly created constituency of sixfields west!.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 07, 2022, 18:37:42 pm
I'm half expecting him to throw his hat into the ring for the leadership contest...


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 08, 2022, 11:30:30 am
It wouldnít surprise me if Boris offered Manny a job in government during the whole embarrassing fiasco. MP for the newly created constituency of sixfields west!.


If I was mate, I bet you Northampton would have a shiny new 25,000 seater stadium.
I have worked withBoris on a number of projects over the years, he is a genuinely nice guy and only ever wanted the best for a country he absolutely loves.
I know he has fcuked up but this was trial by an unrelenting media, led by the heavily biased BBC.
As they say revenge is a dish best served cold, and believe me that particular organisation has it coming.
All I would say is be careful what you wish for because sometimes itís better the devil you know.
If I were choosing a new PM it would be Ruth Davidson, unfortunately she is not available.
I fully expect the Toryís will win another resounding election triumph.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on July 08, 2022, 19:52:41 pm
If I were choosing a new PM it would be Ruth Davidson, unfortunately she is not available.

I don't know why, but this surprises me.

Maybe I think of you as more of a Moggster.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 08, 2022, 22:18:04 pm
If I was mate, I bet you Northampton would have a shiny new 25,000 seater stadium.
I have worked withBoris on a number of projects over the years, he is a genuinely nice guy and only ever wanted the best for a country he absolutely loves.
I know he has fcuked up but this was trial by an unrelenting media, led by the heavily biased BBC.
As they say revenge is a dish best served cold, and believe me that particular organisation has it coming.
All I would say is be careful what you wish for because sometimes itís better the devil you know.
If I were choosing a new PM it would be Ruth Davidson, unfortunately she is not available.
I fully expect the Toryís will win another resounding election triumph.

Forget that shyte 😂😂

The actual reality and truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKrLBPmRsrM


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on July 09, 2022, 10:22:05 am
If I was mate, I bet you Northampton would have a shiny new 25,000 seater stadium.
I have worked withBoris on a number of projects over the years, he is a genuinely nice guy and only ever wanted the best for a country he absolutely loves.
I know he has fcuked up but this was trial by an unrelenting media, led by the heavily biased BBC.
As they say revenge is a dish best served cold, and believe me that particular organisation has it coming.
All I would say is be careful what you wish for because sometimes itís better the devil you know.
If I were choosing a new PM it would be Ruth Davidson, unfortunately she is not available.
I fully expect the Toryís will win another resounding election triumph.

Err! It was ITV news which took the lead in dishing the dirt on party gate, the BBC AND Sky then happily ran with the story. Are they all heavily biased? or just reporting FACTS? ;)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 09, 2022, 12:28:28 pm
Not to trivialise what Pincher has done, but it wasn't the actual offence that led to Boris being given his marching orders, it was the fact he lied about it. Again. I know not many people agree with me but I have sympathy over the events of Partygate, however I don't have sympathy with him over his lies to try and get out of it. It all follows a pattern; time and again he's been caught out lying over things, going back way before his time as PM, through Brexit and right back to his time as a journalist where he was fired (twice was it?) for being caught lying.

Mendacity seems as natural to him as breathing, and there comes a point where every last crumb of trust has gone. If you can't trust a leader then they lose all authority.

Good riddance.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 09, 2022, 15:49:47 pm
Forget that shyte 😂😂

The actual reality and truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKrLBPmRsrM
Hard to disagree with any of that assessment. In BJ's defence though, he did have lovely hair, and called table tennis Wiff Waff.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 09, 2022, 16:09:30 pm
Err! It was ITV news which took the lead in dishing the dirt on party gate, the BBC AND Sky then happily ran with the story. Are they all heavily biased? or just reporting FACTS? ;)
Ahh but have you seen Moira Stewart lately? No? that's because the BBC have had following BJ everywhere forcing him to lie at gunpoint. Study it out people!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on July 09, 2022, 17:49:48 pm
Ahh but have you seen Moira Stewart lately? No? that's because the BBC have had following BJ everywhere forcing him to lie at gunpoint. Study it out people!

My goodness, did they force him to hide in the fridge that time as well?

And the BBC being such a well respected institution as well. Next thing you'll be telling me is that Big Phil got Diana killed.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on July 09, 2022, 20:21:45 pm
My goodness, did they force him to hide in the fridge that time as well?

And the BBC being such a well respected institution as well. Next thing you'll be telling me is that Big Phil got Diana killed.

That was ITV as well, trying to set up an interview between Boris and Piers Morgan.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 10, 2022, 13:17:28 pm
I don't know why, but this surprises me.

Maybe I think of you as more of a Moggster.
Indeed I do admire Jacob for a number of reasons, much like myself he is an outstanding entrepreneur and has amassed a personal fortune of £150m.
Again, like myself, he is a disciple of Lady Thatcher and is a staunch unionist.
My favourite thing about him is he irritates the left which I have to say gives me great genuine pleasure.
I will vote for only a Brexiteer who has a hard line on immigration and stands up against the vile left and their union paymasters.
FACT.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 10, 2022, 14:04:25 pm
Indeed I do admire Jacob for a number of reasons, much like myself he is an outstanding entrepreneur and has amassed a personal fortune of £150m.
Again, like myself, he is a disciple of Lady Thatcher and is a staunch unionist.
My favourite thing about him is he irritates the left which I have to say gives me great genuine pleasure.
I will vote for only a Brexiteer who has a hard line on immigration and stands up against the vile left and their union paymasters.
FACT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex

You, Jacob and Boris.. Full set. 😀


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: OCoole on July 10, 2022, 14:59:23 pm
Indeed I do admire Jacob for a number of reasons, much like myself he is an outstanding entrepreneur and has amassed a personal fortune of £150m.
Again, like myself, he is a disciple of Lady Thatcher and is a staunch unionist.
My favourite thing about him is he irritates the left which I have to say gives me great genuine pleasure.
I will vote for only a Brexiteer who has a hard line on immigration and stands up against the vile left and their union paymasters.
FACT.

Did you per chance happen to meet Harry Enfield many years ago? I've a hunch he might have found yowww very inspiring!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on July 10, 2022, 16:08:58 pm
If I was mate, I bet you Northampton would have a shiny new 25,000 seater stadium.
I have worked withBoris on a number of projects over the years, he is a genuinely nice guy and only ever wanted the best for a country he absolutely loves.
I know he has fcuked up but this was trial by an unrelenting media, led by the heavily biased BBC.
As they say revenge is a dish best served cold, and believe me that particular organisation has it coming.
All I would say is be careful what you wish for because sometimes itís better the devil you know.
If I were choosing a new PM it would be Ruth Davidson, unfortunately she is not available.
I fully expect the Toryís will win another resounding election triumph.

Manny, Manny oh Manny Ö
Do the unrelenting press include Telegragh, Times, Sun, Express and Mail? The Mail who had 10 front pages headlines in a row on Beer Gate and then forgot all about it when the man was proven innocent.
I think the BBC has been very Tory biased by ignoring our failing Brexit progress. The fact they wonít embrace the nonsensical wake bashing is to their credit though. Plenty of other places people can get their news ďcomic styleĒ.
Weíll never agree buddy but doesnít stop me respecting your views.
One thing I donít get though Ö Brexit is no doubt the biggest threat to the GFA and a United Union. Why would any body who is pro Union want to give the Republicans (in Scotland and NI) a golden ticket - that is Brexit and Boris!?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on July 10, 2022, 17:56:38 pm
You think Boris the Bullshítter was bad, you now have the chance of Javid the fúcking religious nut job.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62113401


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 10, 2022, 18:16:01 pm
You think Boris the BullshŪtter was bad, you now have the chance of Javid the fķcking religious nut job.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62113401
Javed wonít win, that interview wasnít his finest hour.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 10, 2022, 18:21:24 pm
I see the vile BBC still havenít paid their £1.5m ďGuilt MoneyĒ to charity from the Martin Bashir scandal.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1638353/Royal-Family-news-BBC-Martin-Bashir-Princess-Diana-interview-charities-latest
They really are the scŻm of the earth.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 11, 2022, 17:03:53 pm
Sometimes you just get stuck for words.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11001635/Tory-MP-Jamie-Wallis-faces-trial-today-accused-driving-offences-smashing-lamppost.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 11, 2022, 18:00:41 pm
Sometimes you just get stuck for words.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11001635/Tory-MP-Jamie-Wallis-faces-trial-today-accused-driving-offences-smashing-lamppost.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
It's getting to the point now where I think the Conservative Party has a duty of care to anyone expressing a desire to become a MP, to give them very thorough therapy to identify their problems. And driving in heels? Shocking.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on July 11, 2022, 20:02:52 pm
It's getting to the point now where I think the Conservative Party has a duty of care to anyone expressing a desire to become a MP, to give them very thorough therapy to identify their problems. And driving in heels? Shocking.

Straight off the top of my head;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-51559944

and

Harriat Harman

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/nov/19/harriet-harman-charged-mobile-crash

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/harriet-harman-banned-from-driving-7221315.html


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on July 11, 2022, 20:54:28 pm
I know he has fcuked up but this was trial by an unrelenting media, led by the heavily biased BBC.
If he hadn't have done these things then they'd have had nothing to report. There is only one person to blame for his demise and that's his favourite person.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on July 11, 2022, 21:06:08 pm
Straight off the top of my head;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-51559944

and

Harriat Harman

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/nov/19/harriet-harman-charged-mobile-crash

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/harriet-harman-banned-from-driving-7221315.html


Hardly straight of the top of your head when you've googled and found and created links to 2 instances of labour MPs transgressions. I could easily do the same and find many more similar and worse involving tory tossers on top of the recent ones we all know about.
 Have you seen the glorious 10 or is it 11 candidates up for the top job? What a bunch of cķnts.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 11, 2022, 21:15:08 pm
Hardly straight of the top of your head when you've googled and found and created links to 2 instances of labour MPs transgressions. I could easily do the same and find many more similar and worse involving tory tossers on top of the recent ones we all know about.
 Have you seen the glorious 10 or is it 11 candidates up for the top job? What a bunch of cķnts.

Tugendhat looks OK.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on July 11, 2022, 21:19:13 pm
To clarify I actually immediately thought;

Chris Huhne - but he's a Liberal (or was).

The dodgy Peterborough MP who lied about who was driving her car when it was caught speeding.

Harman - who I see from time to time at Symphony Hall in Birmingham (her daughter's a professional Bassoonist) and know is a notoriously poor/reckless driver  with various run ins with the law.

I also thought Keith Vaz but I don't think driving was his problem.

I then googled this information and posted a couple of links.

There appears to be an issue with MPs and their respect for the law. Remember the Expenses scandal ? All party's implicated.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on July 11, 2022, 21:35:40 pm
To clarify I actually immediately thought;

Chris Huhne - but he's a Liberal (or was).

The dodgy Peterborough MP who lied about who was driving her car when it was caught speeding.

Harman - who I see from time to time at Symphony Hall in Birmingham (her daughter's a professional Bassoonist) and know is a notoriously poor/reckless driver  with various run ins with the law.

I also thought Keith Vaz but I don't thing driving was his problem.

I then googled this information and posted a couple of links.

There appears to be an issue with MPs and their respect for the law. Remember the Expenses scandal ? All party's implicated.

Totally agree. Particularly remember the claims for cleaning the moat and building a duck house??!!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 12, 2022, 07:46:52 am
Straight off the top of my head;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-51559944

and

Harriat Harman

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/nov/19/harriet-harman-charged-mobile-crash

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/harriet-harman-banned-from-driving-7221315.html
That's not what I meant. I mean the sexual stuff. Some very messed up minds there. Probably as a result of being sent to Prep when they were eight.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 12, 2022, 07:51:31 am
To clarify I actually immediately thought;

Chris Huhne - but he's a Liberal (or was).

The dodgy Peterborough MP who lied about who was driving her car when it was caught speeding.

Harman - who I see from time to time at Symphony Hall in Birmingham (her daughter's a professional Bassoonist) and know is a notoriously poor/reckless driver  with various run ins with the law.

I also thought Keith Vaz but I don't thing driving was his problem.

I then googled this information and posted a couple of links.

There appears to be an issue with MPs and their respect for the law. Remember the Expenses scandal ? All party's implicated.
We've still got the story of the nipple licking Tory to hit the front pages yet. I would imagine it's with the Plod now. https://www.thenational.scot/news/20157149.tory-mp-accused-spiking-four-men-date-rape-drug-licking-victims-nipple/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on July 12, 2022, 09:46:22 am
We've still got the story of the nipple licking Tory to hit the front pages yet. I would imagine it's with the Plod now. https://www.thenational.scot/news/20157149.tory-mp-accused-spiking-four-men-date-****-drug-licking-victims-nipple/

Very close to where I live there is a Lay-by that has quite recently been put out of action by the local council (blocked off by an earth mound). I presumed it was to stop Travelers using it and the land behind to set up camps. It turns out to have been nothing of the sort. Apparently it's to do with stopping ordinary folk (and toffs) using it for dogging.

Wasn't Keth Vaz a Labour MP ?

Human beings do all sorts of unusual things in their private lives. It's not dependent on party affiliation.

Then there's the SNP.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 12, 2022, 10:22:13 am
Very close to where I live there is a Lay-by that has quite recently been put out of action by the local council (blocked off by an earth mound). I presumed it was to stop Travelers using it and the land behind to set up camps. It turns out to have been nothing of the sort. Apparently it's to do with stopping ordinary folk (and toffs) using it for dogging.

Wasn't Keth Vaz a Labour MP ?

Human beings do all sorts of unusual things in their private lives. It's not dependent on party affiliation.

Then there's the SNP.
I should have been more precise. It's the illegal sexual things that Tory MP's get up to. sexual assaults, child sex, date rape drugs, and perhaps worst of all, driving in six inch heels. It makes them vey blackmailable.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 12, 2022, 10:32:16 am
Its not just Tories. I was told by a serving officer that Northants police were told to drop the case, after a phone call from Whitehall, thought to be the home secretary.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/cyril-smith-child-pornography-inquiry-is-dropped-10426690.html


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on July 12, 2022, 10:32:42 am
You remember Tom Watson and Carl Beech's humiliation ?

Where are we with Greville Janner ?

Cyril Smith was Labour before he became Liberal.

Keith Vaz.

Straight off the top of my head.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 12, 2022, 12:13:04 pm
Liz Truss for me, right wing, good cabinet experience, unionist and most of all knows how to put scum in its place, whatís not to like.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 12, 2022, 13:14:38 pm
and most of all knows how to put scum in its place, whatís not to like.
Trouble is, that could be a large chunk of the cabinet.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 12, 2022, 14:49:49 pm
Trouble is, that could be a large chunk of the cabinet.
Exactly what is needed.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 12, 2022, 15:18:02 pm
You remember Tom Watson and Carl Beech's humiliation ?

Where are we with Greville Janner ?

Cyril Smith was Labour before he became Liberal.

Keith Vaz.

Straight off the top of my head.


My God man, Cyril Smith as Labour? You're going back to the days of black and white TV now. The Tory perverts I'm worried about are still drawing a public salary, and more regrettably, breath.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 12, 2022, 17:06:20 pm
My God man, Cyril Smith as Labour? You're going back to the days of black and white TV now. The Tory perverts I'm worried about are still drawing a public salary, and more regrettably, breath.
I am always intrigued as to a Labour supporters motives, one type of Labour supporters are the ones to be found in London quaffing champagne bleating on about injustice of the working class then in the next breath are planning a mini break at Soho farmhouse with some luvvies, then thereís the other type who are too illLazy to work preferring other people to fund there lifestyle, I find both repugnant.
Thank goodness the marvellous Conservative and Unionist party have an 80 strong majority.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 12, 2022, 17:34:57 pm
I am always intrigued as to a Labour supporters motives, one type of Labour supporters are the ones to be found in London quaffing champagne bleating on about injustice of the working class then in the next breath are planning a mini break at Soho farmhouse with some luvvies, then thereís the other type who are too illLazy to work preferring other people to fund there lifestyle, I find both repugnant.
Thank goodness the marvellous Conservative and Unionist party have an 80 strong majority.
Well I wouldn't consider myself a Labour supporter. Too many of them seem more concerned with the struggles of the people of Palestine than the people of Preston. That said, they still don't disgust me as much as the tax dodging, poor hating, Putin loving, corrupt, sexual reprobates of the Tory party. It's a low threshold I know.
I wonder why folk vote Tory too. You're tax cuts won't do you much good when it's you waiting seven hours for an ambulance after a heart attack.
We could do with a new party drawn from the best of both parties. Perhaps call it Centre Forward?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on July 12, 2022, 18:35:12 pm
At least the religious nut job has pulled out of the race.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on July 12, 2022, 18:59:13 pm
Whoever wins the vote to become the next PM, they will most likely be smug, arrogant and with an exaggerated sense of entitlement, in other words another bloody politician! >:(

 


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 12, 2022, 19:15:18 pm
Well I wouldn't consider myself a Labour supporter. Too many of them seem more concerned with the struggles of the people of Palestine than the people of Preston. That said, they still don't disgust me as much as the tax dodging, poor hating, Putin loving, corrupt, sexual reprobates of the Tory party. It's a low threshold I know.
I wonder why folk vote Tory too. You're tax cuts won't do you much good when it's you waiting seven hours for an ambulance after a heart attack.
We could do with a new party drawn from the best of both parties. Perhaps call it Centre Forward?
Haha I like it, Iím not sure the Tories love Putin though, maybe a few donations form some oligarchs, the NHS is an absolute basket case and should be privatised, how much money can you throw down a black hole?
There are some very good people in the NHS run by a militant hardcore left, jobs for the boys, etc.
Privatise the whole fuÁking thing with proper provisions in place for those that genuinely canít afford it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on July 12, 2022, 19:45:47 pm
Haha I like it, Iím not sure the Tories love Putin though, maybe a few donations form some oligarchs, the NHS is an absolute basket case and should be privatised, how much money can you throw down a black hole?
There are some very good people in the NHS run by a militant **** left, jobs for the boys, etc.
Privatise the whole fuÁking thing with proper provisions in place for those that genuinely canít afford it.

At least you're true to Tory values(?), they have never wanted or supported the NHS. As usual with a Tory government waiting lists are enormous. Many Tories including the Thatcher Monster believed that you either paid for your health care or went without and died.

The NHS is Fantastic and with proper funding would Absolutely Brilliant, FACT ;)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on July 12, 2022, 20:01:30 pm
The NHS is the envy of The World, why do you think so many people come here to leech from it?
Try living in Naziland, my medical insurance costs just under a grand a month.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Larry on July 12, 2022, 20:33:31 pm
We could do with a new party drawn from the best of both parties. Perhaps call it Centre Forward?

Gang of Four anyone?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on July 12, 2022, 20:54:52 pm
Well I wouldn't consider myself a Labour supporter. Too many of them seem more concerned with the struggles of the people of Palestine than the people of Preston. That said, they still don't disgust me as much as the tax dodging, poor hating, Putin loving, corrupt, sexual reprobates of the Tory party. It's a low threshold I know.
I wonder why folk vote Tory too. You're tax cuts won't do you much good when it's you waiting seven hours for an ambulance after a heart attack.
We could do with a new party drawn from the best of both parties. Perhaps call it Centre Forward?

You may be right, although I still think we'd be struggling to find someone for the No.10 role ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on July 13, 2022, 09:13:02 am
At least you're true to Tory values(?), they have never wanted or supported the NHS. As usual with a Tory government waiting lists are enormous. Many Tories including the Thatcher Monster believed that you either paid for your health care or went without and died.

The NHS is Fantastic and with proper funding would Absolutely Brilliant, FACT ;)



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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on July 13, 2022, 09:16:44 am
Whoever wins the vote to become the next PM, they will most likely be smug, arrogant and with an exaggerated sense of entitlement, in other words another bloody politician! >:(

 

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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 13, 2022, 10:06:14 am
Liz Truss for me, right wing, good cabinet experience, unionist and most of all knows how to put scum in its place, whatís not to like.

Old Trussy.. Is she a friend of yours as well 🤣🤣🤣🤣

https://www.indy100.com/news/liz-truss-worst-moments-compilation-video-twitter-9214906


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 13, 2022, 11:51:14 am
You may be right, although I still think we'd be struggling to find someone for the No.10 role ;D
Now I'm jealous that I didn't think of that one.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 13, 2022, 12:10:57 pm
Old Trussy.. Is she a friend of yours as well 🤣🤣🤣🤣

https://www.indy100.com/news/liz-truss-worst-moments-compilation-video-twitter-9214906

No Liz isnít an associate, but a decent candidate.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carton Lid on July 14, 2022, 16:12:05 pm
Liz Truss for me, right wing, good cabinet experience, unionist and most of all knows how to put scum in its place, whatís not to like.
Got Russia and Ukraine mixed up today, still an easy mistake to make even for the Foreign Secretary  !!!!!   ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on July 14, 2022, 19:46:38 pm
Got Russia and Ukraine mixed up today, still an easy mistake to make even for the Foreign Secretary  !!!!!   ;D
Give her a chance, she struggled with leaving the room after her speech yesterday


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on July 14, 2022, 23:15:45 pm
Well I wouldn't consider myself a Labour supporter. Too many of them seem more concerned with the struggles of the people of Palestine than the people of Preston. That said, they still don't disgust me as much as the tax dodging, poor hating, Putin loving, corrupt, sexual reprobates of the Tory party. It's a low threshold I know.
I wonder why folk vote Tory too. You're tax cuts won't do you much good when it's you waiting seven hours for an ambulance after a heart attack.
We could do with a new party drawn from the best of both parties. Perhaps call it Centre Forward?


Momentum or Socialist Workers Party?
Hope to Heaven you are not a Liberal!!🥵

PS - Afterthought - Anarchist :o


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 15, 2022, 17:49:28 pm


Momentum or Socialist Workers Party?
Hope to Heaven you are not a Liberal!!🥵

PS - Afterthought - Anarchist :o
Firmly in the none of the above camp. We captured 34% of the vote at the last GE.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on July 15, 2022, 22:12:06 pm
At least you're true to Tory values(?), they have never wanted or supported the NHS. As usual with a Tory government waiting lists are enormous. Many Tories including the Thatcher Monster believed that you either paid for your health care or went without and died.

The NHS is Fantastic and with proper funding would Absolutely Brilliant, FACT ;)
Not ditching the NHS, but on the flip side you can get a scan for anything here in about 48 hours. Donít wait longer than a couple of weeks for an op. Half an hour wait or less in A&E where they have a separate department for kids. For a family of 5 it costs me 2 and a half grand Stirling a year all up, but you donít pay National Insurance and tax is slightly less. Thereís payment support for those struggling financially. Whatever your thoughts on the NHS I donít think thatís too bad? On the downside donít come here on a good wage and fail to get medical insurance. If you have to go into hospital you will get properly nailed for it financially.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 16, 2022, 15:48:25 pm
Not ditching the NHS, but on the flip side you can get a scan for anything here in about 48 hours. Donít wait longer than a couple of weeks for an op. Half an hour wait or less in A&E where they have a separate department for kids. For a family of 5 it costs me 2 and a half grand Stirling a year all up, but you donít pay National Insurance and tax is slightly less. Thereís payment support for those struggling financially. Whatever your thoughts on the NHS I donít think thatís too bad? On the downside donít come here on a good wage and fail to get medical insurance. If you have to go into hospital you will get properly nailed for it financially.

But on the downside, youíll all be fried to a crisp in the next 20 years. Where as we will all have moved to Scotland by then, just to delay the inevitableÖ.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Larry on July 17, 2022, 15:02:04 pm
Not ditching the NHS, but on the flip side you can get a scan for anything here in about 48 hours. Donít wait longer than a couple of weeks for an op. Half an hour wait or less in A&E where they have a separate department for kids. For a family of 5 it costs me 2 and a half grand Stirling a year all up, but you donít pay National Insurance and tax is slightly less. Thereís payment support for those struggling financially. Whatever your thoughts on the NHS I donít think thatís too bad? On the downside donít come here on a good wage and fail to get medical insurance. If you have to go into hospital you will get properly nailed for it financially.

What happens if you have a long term illness that requires you to be in hospital for many months or really complicated surgery that will take a full team hours to perform?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on July 18, 2022, 00:38:24 am
What happens if you have a long term illness that requires you to be in hospital for many months or really complicated surgery that will take a full team hours to perform?
If you are a high earner and refuse to get medical insurance kiss goodbye to your house probably. The vulnerable in this system are medium to high earners who still live beyond their means and default on their medical insurance.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on July 22, 2022, 09:20:08 am
If we end up getting Truss, that will be two joke PMs in a row. At least it improves the chances of having a change of government, which is well overdue.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on July 22, 2022, 19:14:07 pm
If we end up getting Truss, that will be two joke PMs in a row. At least it improves the chances of having a change of government, which is well overdue.
You rated theresa may and cameron? one that thought she was thatcher but was more bo peep and the other that was so scared of 130,000 pensioners that he ruined the country's future by letting racists have a vote


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on July 22, 2022, 20:51:40 pm
You rated theresa may and cameron? one that thought she was thatcher but was more bo peep and the other that was so scared of 130,000 pensioners that he ruined the country's future by letting racists have a vote

No, I didn't rate them for similar reasons as to what you mentioned, but they were serious politicians, not like Johnson or Truss, both of whom are plainly incompetent, in different ways.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on July 22, 2022, 21:12:29 pm
I hear Compo's planning to put himself forward for next London Mayor.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 23, 2022, 18:36:47 pm
I hear Compo's planning to put himself forward for next London Mayor.
That would make sense a terrorist sympathiser in charge of London. Mind you the incumbent is only interested in  himself and bbc photo opportunities, what a pair of complete cŻnts.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on September 28, 2022, 08:37:45 am
Pretty incredible achievement by Liz Truss to completely tank the economy so quickly!.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 28, 2022, 09:24:58 am
Pretty incredible achievement by Liz Truss to completely tank the economy so quickly!.

They are idiots. When the IMF speak out essentially saying "are you sure you want to do this?" you know there's something wrong.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on September 29, 2022, 17:04:17 pm
No, I didn't rate them for similar reasons as to what you mentioned, but they were serious politicians, not like Johnson or Truss, both of whom are plainly incompetent, in different ways.

So in your opinion who should be the next PM and which party might they represent?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on September 29, 2022, 21:31:10 pm
Pretty incredible achievement by Liz Truss to completely tank the economy so quickly!.

Just when you didn't think a government could possibly be as incompetent as Johnson's, Truss comes along and does even worse.

Is it a surprise to anyone?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on September 29, 2022, 21:39:02 pm
So in your opinion who should be the next PM and which party might they represent?

At the moment it is a nailed on certainty to be Kier Starmer who I believe represents the Labour Party.

I would welcome him with open arms on the basis of him being a competent person and that would be a welcome change compared to the present and previous PM. I am not fussed that he 'lacks personality', that isn't what I am interested in when it comes to running the country.

I'm doing fine, but there are loads of people who are not and we should be looking after them, not reducing taxes for those who are in the higher tax bands. I don't believe that the trickle down idea really happens.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on September 30, 2022, 07:51:27 am
At the moment it is a nailed on certainty to be Kier Starmer who I believe represents the Labour Party.

I would welcome him with open arms on the basis of him being a competent person and that would be a welcome change compared to the present and previous PM. I am not fussed that he 'lacks personality', that isn't what I am interested in when it comes to running the country.

I'm doing fine, but there are loads of people who are not and we should be looking after them, not reducing taxes for those who are in the higher tax bands. I don't believe that the trickle down idea really happens.



Kier Starmer whose idol is the liar, traitor and war criminal Blair. Wow that would be great.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 03, 2022, 06:24:57 am
So the first thing Laurel and Hardy Truss and Kwarteng do when taking charge is a budget so thoughtless and incompetent an A-level economics student could see the problems with it, they then spend the next 10 days defending it with even some of this morning's headlines repeating their intent to "stay the course". Those headlines haven't aged well though because they are apparently scrapping plans to remove the higher tax rate within the next hour.

Let's be honest though, they haven't changed their mind overnight, they've bowed to pressure to avoid embarrassment at the conference. So while they have ultimately done the right thing, they have revealed themselves to be incompetent, tone deaf, weak and cowardly over the course of the whole debacle. .

I'm half expecting her to push Kwartemg under the bus so we can add disloyal to the list of adjectives!

Not a good look in the eyes of the electorate.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 03, 2022, 09:24:43 am
So the first thing Laurel and Hardy Truss and Kwarteng do when taking charge is a budget so thoughtless and incompetent an A-level economics student could see the problems with it, they then spend the next 10 days defending it with even some of this morning's headlines repeating their intent to "stay the course". Those headlines haven't aged well though because they are apparently scrapping plans to remove the higher tax rate within the next hour.

Iím half expecting her to push Kwartemg under the bus so we can add disloyal to the list of adjectives!


I think that ship has already sailed, after she shŪt on her husband and kids for two years by shagging fellow MP Mark Field. Our Liz is no stranger to a lie or two.

Which makes her a perfectly good replacement for Boris.  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 03, 2022, 16:42:23 pm
Liz Truss for me, right wing, good cabinet experience, unionist and most of all knows how to put scum in its place, whatís not to like.
Where is he hiding?  :D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 14, 2022, 11:39:45 am
Kwasi Kwarteng has been sacked. He should make a good pub quiz question in a few years time.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 14, 2022, 12:02:11 pm
...I wondered why pointless were carrying on without Richard Osman.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 14, 2022, 12:43:59 pm
Kwasi Kwarteng has been sacked. He should make a good pub quiz question in a few years time.

The second shortest serving Chancellor in British history, only beaten by Iain McLeod in 1970 who died in office.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 14, 2022, 21:31:26 pm
So the first thing Laurel and Hardy Truss and Kwarteng do when taking charge is a budget so thoughtless and incompetent an A-level economics student could see the problems with it, they then spend the next 10 days defending it with even some of this morning's headlines repeating their intent to "stay the course". Those headlines haven't aged well though because they are apparently scrapping plans to remove the higher tax rate within the next hour.

Let's be honest though, they haven't changed their mind overnight, they've bowed to pressure to avoid embarrassment at the conference. So while they have ultimately done the right thing, they have revealed themselves to be incompetent, tone deaf, weak and cowardly over the course of the whole debacle. .

I'm half expecting her to push Kwartemg under the bus so we can add disloyal to the list of adjectives!

Not a good look in the eyes of the electorate.

Only half expecting - oh ye of little faith!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 17, 2022, 12:42:49 pm
Only half expecting - oh ye of little faith!

I know - I should have known better, it seemed the obvious thing to do if you were in Poundland Maggie's position (I.e. up the creek without a paddle)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 17, 2022, 19:07:03 pm
So, BotN, whilst we are looking into the future, which will happen first? Truss to be ousted as PM, or The Mighty Cobblers to end their 2022 /23 FA Cup run?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 17, 2022, 19:32:21 pm
So, BotN, whilst we are looking into the future, which will happen first? Truss to be ousted as PM, or The Mighty Cobblers to end their 2022 /23 FA Cup run?

It might be better to ask what comes first: Truss ousted or The Mighty Cobblers START h their FA Cup run. ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 17, 2022, 19:59:03 pm
What a carry on. No wonder manwork has gone awol, if I was a tory I wouldn't show my face either


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on October 18, 2022, 18:03:25 pm
What a carry on. No wonder manwork has gone awol, if I was a tory I wouldn't show my face either
Perhaps like his idol, he's simply "not for turning (up)"?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3529 on October 19, 2022, 16:43:52 pm
I do hope he's OK, I find his posts illuminating and amusing.
Someone must know him in person enough to put minds at rest?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 19, 2022, 17:15:02 pm
I do hope he's OK, I find his posts illuminating and amusing.
Someone must know him in person enough to put minds at rest?

We have been thinking the same.
Like you say, putting minds at rest.
His last visit to this board was 5th September.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 19, 2022, 18:46:08 pm
Chief whip today resigned, Home secretary today resigned. What a sh1t show.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 19, 2022, 18:53:33 pm
Chief whip today resigned, Home secretary today resigned. What a sh1t show.

Deputy whip gone as well and reports of MPs being physically manhandled into the voting lobby. It's embarrassing. She needs to go.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 19, 2022, 18:55:37 pm
It might be better to ask what comes first: Truss ousted or The Mighty Cobblers START h their FA Cup run. ;D

Yes, good point.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 19, 2022, 18:57:35 pm
Shapps!

They really are having a laugh! Was nobody else prepared to take a role in her "government"?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3529 on October 19, 2022, 23:10:16 pm
Deputy whip gone as well and reports of MPs being physically manhandled into the voting lobby. It's embarrassing. She needs to go.
Back in a couple of hours later.
You couldn't make it up.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on October 20, 2022, 11:12:09 am
Well I for one am just so glad we avoided the chaos of a Labour government. ::)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on October 20, 2022, 11:45:05 am
Well I for one am just so glad we avoided the chaos of a Labour government. ::)

Yes, you wouldn't get any with the tories "in charge".
Who'd have thought that a government headed by Boris Johnson would have ended up as such a complete shambles!!! :D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 20, 2022, 11:47:56 am
Yes, you wouldn't get any with the tories "in charge".
Who'd have thought that a government headed by Boris Johnson would have ended up as such a complete shambles!!! :D

More to the point, who'd have thought Truss would be so useless it makes you look fondly back on the relative stability under the scruffy, lying manchild?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on October 20, 2022, 11:51:47 am
More to the point, who'd have thought Truss would be so useless it makes you look fondly back on the relative stability under the scruffy, lying manchild?

Despite her complete incompetence I would never look back fondly at prize chump Johnson. :P


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 20, 2022, 12:37:12 pm
The Truss has resigned... ::)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 20, 2022, 12:37:12 pm
The Truss has resigned... ::)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on October 20, 2022, 12:47:59 pm
The Truss has resigned... ::)
So what she's saying is lettuce alone one please?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 20, 2022, 12:52:32 pm
You couldnít make this shÔt up!!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 20, 2022, 13:55:43 pm
She's done a Brian Clough (44 days).  8)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 20, 2022, 14:21:50 pm
Its made German TV, excellent pronunciation.  ;D

https://twitter.com/i/status/1583068995527200768


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: itsme on October 20, 2022, 16:09:52 pm
Time for a general election let the public decide


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on October 20, 2022, 16:29:43 pm
What's the difference between a lettuce for 60p at Aldi, and Liz Truss at No. 10?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on October 20, 2022, 17:01:51 pm
Time for a general election let the public decide

The public decided when they elected the Tories. They have to put up with them and whoever they elect as PM until the next election.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on October 20, 2022, 17:03:00 pm
The Truss has resigned... ::)

Time for the American now then.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 20, 2022, 17:12:54 pm
It might be better to ask what comes first: Truss ousted or The Mighty Cobblers START h their FA Cup run. ;D

You are very talented at looking into the future.


I nominate Super Sam for PM. Vote Cobblers!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on October 20, 2022, 17:15:26 pm
What's the difference between a lettuce for 60p at Aldi, and Liz Truss at No. 10?
The lettuce is a good buy, whilst Liz is a Gooooood Bye.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on October 20, 2022, 19:28:52 pm
Anyway. People get the government they deserve.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 20, 2022, 20:22:55 pm
Anyway. People get the government they deserve.

Do you really have such a low opinion of your fellow countrymen (and women)?

Mind you, that is a good point. Let's hope they do better next time.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MCHammer on October 20, 2022, 23:40:15 pm
Anyway. People get the government they deserve.

I used to disagree with this sort of statement.  Then on a night out with friends one of them admitted that he voted for Boris because he "was a character and seemed like a good laugh".

Sooner we have a general election and can finally get rid of this talentless, self serving, bunch of fools the better.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 21, 2022, 10:00:09 am
My thoughts with any fellow Cobblers who have a big mortgage, have a car to fill, heat their home and eat. It'll get worse before it gets better, so some folks better cut down on those trips to Costa!

Next on the merry-go-round we'll have Sunak, Johnson 2.0 or the Splash woman before Starmer gets a go to save the day  :P


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3481 on October 21, 2022, 10:41:07 am
https://twitter.com/jasemonkey/status/1582866518009708545?s=20&t=YnKJhv-TfF4vvnAzH7CMyQ

My contribution to this debate, and something I will probably use a lot more in the future  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 21, 2022, 19:49:42 pm
Sooner we have a general election and can finally get rid of this talentless, self serving, bunch of fools the better.

Hear, hear.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 21, 2022, 20:56:00 pm
Anyway. People get the government they deserve.

Democracy is overrated


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 21, 2022, 21:10:39 pm
https://youtu.be/aIh7XJVxCAY (https://youtu.be/aIh7XJVxCAY)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on October 22, 2022, 11:30:01 am
https://youtu.be/aIh7XJVxCAY (https://youtu.be/aIh7XJVxCAY)
Well yes but Boris does have lovely hair. (sigh)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on January 29, 2023, 08:17:29 am
De de de de de de another bites the dust.


Rotten to the core.


For the record, my latest tax installment will be with HMRC  tomorrow, a day early and in full, with no evasion or avoidance as I value my public services and know they have to be paid for somehow, so I do what is right for me, my fellow citizens and the country. Fellow citizens, be Bingers, don't be Zahawi.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carton Lid on January 30, 2023, 07:57:54 am
Spot on Bingers, stop tax avoidance at the top and, all of a sudden, we have enough money to fill in pot holes, give the nurses a rise and all the other things we can't do at the moment.  ???


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 30, 2023, 23:43:17 pm
De de de de de de another bites the dust.


Rotten to the core.


For the record, my latest tax installment will be with HMRC  tomorrow, a day early and in full, with no evasion or avoidance as I value my public services and know they have to be paid for somehow, so I do what is right for me, my fellow citizens and the country. Fellow citizens, be Bingers, don't be Zahawi.

Nothing illegal about playing to the rules. I doubt that was the case in this instance. But I have always made sure they donít get a penny more than I have to.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carton Lid on January 31, 2023, 10:53:04 am
Nothing illegal about playing to the rules. I doubt that was the case in this instance. But I have always made sure they donít get a penny more than I have to.
But it's not about the likes of me, you and Bingers is it Nigel ? It's the greedy bastards like Michelle Mone, and if she is "playing by the Rules", the rules need changing. But, lets face it, I've got more chance of scoring a hatrick, for the Cobblers at Wembley, than a Conservative government closing tax loop holes for the high earners. >:(


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 05, 2023, 08:12:42 am
Liz Truss for me, right wing, good cabinet experience, unionist and most of all knows how to put scum in its place, whatís not to like.

Apparently Liz was right all along, she just needed time. Or so she says.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 06, 2023, 08:58:42 am
Apparently Liz was right all along, she just needed time. Or so she says.
Right. Of course.
Obviously the notoriously left wing foreign currency exchange and sovereign debt markets, the people who manage billions and trillions of dollars of assets are all filthy, left wing, socialists. You announced your (UNFUNDED) plan. The market participants weighed the merits of your plan. It was found wanting and the market reacted appropriately.
The woman and her supporters are all delusional.

Unless she really is a LibDem plant to destroy the Tories? In which case, good job. Carry on.
 


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 09, 2023, 18:39:03 pm
And as NOT reported on the Labour parties propaganda news outlet the BBCÖÖ
https://www.gbnews.uk/news/former-labour-mp-jared-omara-sentenced-to-four-years-in-prison-for-fraud/439454

Once scum, always scum.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 09, 2023, 18:43:26 pm
And as NOT reported on the Labour parties propaganda news outlet the BBCÖÖ
https://www.gbnews.uk/news/former-labour-mp-jared-omara-sentenced-to-four-years-in-prison-for-fraud/439454

Once scum, always scum.
Umm, actually...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-64238808 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-64238808)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 09, 2023, 20:20:44 pm
And as NOT reported on the Labour parties propaganda news outlet the BBCÖÖ
https://www.gbnews.uk/news/former-labour-mp-jared-omara-sentenced-to-four-years-in-prison-for-fraud/439454

Once scum, always scum.
Fourth story on main page. Do you even check before making these posts?
 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 10, 2023, 07:04:27 am
It was the main story on Look North yesterday evening as well.

Good job that, otherwise I would have to rely upon GB News for my fair and impartial news reporting.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 10, 2023, 21:56:48 pm
Rotten to the coreÖ.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64596751


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on February 10, 2023, 23:02:35 pm
Rotten to the coreÖ.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64596751

Manny oh Manny. You are trying so hard to convince yourself that your beloved Tory Party doesnít have the lions share of the corrupt politicians?
He Didnít pay a fine to HMRC (therefore not guilty) - unlike Zahawi who is /was.
It involved £30k unlike Zahawiís millions
If he is found guilty, unlike the forgiving Tory Party, the Labour Party will sack him. Something that no Tory leader has ever had the guts to do unless they are forced into it.

The BBC revels in winding up suckers like you Manny because itís turned into a right wing apologist since your mate Johnson got his £800k loan and gave the top job to his mate.

I do admire your stamina though - even with the loyally blue Daily Telegraph finally getting fed up with the long line of Tory sleaze, theyíll never convince you Manny will they eh? God bless you.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 15, 2023, 10:54:41 am
Big sigh of relief north of the border, as the Sturge resigns.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on February 15, 2023, 15:09:29 pm
Big sigh of relief north of the border, as the Sturge resigns.

She had to, she's still under contract for the new series of Crackerjack.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 15, 2023, 16:24:28 pm
I think it's fandabeedozey and I'm delighted that she will now be able to spend more time with her dad/husband, Ian.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 15, 2023, 19:04:41 pm
It will hopefully help to add to the number of Scottish labour MPs at the next election and help the First Past the Post system get rid of the Tories, just in case the English electorate conveniently forget what a shÔtshow the last few years have been.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on February 15, 2023, 20:51:15 pm
It will hopefully help to add to the number of Scottish labour MPs at the next election and help the First Past the Post system get rid of the Tories, just in case the English electorate conveniently forget what a shïtshow the last few years have been.

Not going to happen in my lifetime.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 15, 2023, 21:25:19 pm
Not going to happen in my lifetime.

I hope you are wrong there and even more so, I hope you don't die in the next 15 months.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on February 15, 2023, 22:07:55 pm
I hope you are wrong there and even more so, I hope you don't die in the next 15 months.

That unfortunately I cannot guarantee at this moment in time.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 16, 2023, 16:09:55 pm
That unfortunately I cannot guarantee at this moment in time.

Sorry to hear that. Try to at least see one more Cobblers promotion.

Fingers crossed for you. Take care.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 23, 2023, 17:42:02 pm
"Let them eat turnip. "

I'll say no more.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on February 23, 2023, 19:12:05 pm
"Let them eat turnip. "

I'll say no more.

Typical politician's swede talk!

Sorry :D



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 25, 2023, 09:29:40 am
Typical politician's swede talk!

Sorry :D



Good effort EB, but I see you have got your coat on already.

Actually there has a real lack of jokes on the Jokes Page for far too long.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 27, 2023, 21:09:46 pm
If Sunak's deal resolves issues in Northern Ireland, fair play to him. Ongoing peace in NI should be a top priority for every political party.


Obviously being part of the EU would be a much better option, but "we" have rather messed that up for future generations.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on February 27, 2023, 21:19:40 pm
If Sunak's deal resolves issues in Northern Ireland, fair play to him. Ongoing peace in NI should be a top priority for every political party.


Obviously being part of the EU would be a much better option, but "we" have rather messed that up for future generations.

What I could never understand about the Brexit vote was that the age group 18-35 that are going to be the most effected by it were the lowest % turnout.
Is it that they didn't care or didn't understand how much it is effecting them?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on March 01, 2023, 08:52:35 am
Apparently Northern Ireland is going to be in a great position economically as it will have access to both the UK market and the EU single market. Wonderful news. If only the rest of the UK could have that access, that might help our economy as well. I wonder what we would have to do to have that privilege?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on March 01, 2023, 09:23:30 am
Cheese and pineapple. Thats whats needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxpYW_w5pgo


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on March 23, 2023, 06:57:21 am
Does anybody believe a word of what he says? Does he believe a word of what he says?

Shall we just forgive him because he is a bit of a character?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on March 23, 2023, 07:04:32 am
Does anybody believe a word of what he says? Does he believe a word of what he says?

Shall we just forgive him because he is a bit of a character?
Don't forget the mad hair. Oh he's so funny. ( Unless you actually know him)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on March 23, 2023, 12:47:43 pm
Does anybody believe a word of what he says? Does he believe a word of what he says?

Shall we just forgive him because he is a bit of a character?

What's even more concerning is that half the country voted for the twat.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on March 23, 2023, 21:17:06 pm
What's even more concerning is that half the country voted for the twat.
ďTalented and well-practiced in every vice, a stranger to compassion or empathy, a liar and a cheat so complete in perfidy that he has elevated his dishonesty to hold it up as an ersatz moral principle, violent, so long as he can order someone else to do the dirty work, grotesque in body, graceless in action, in possession of a wounded self-regard so colossal as to smother any spark of grace, treasonous, not only to country, but to every ally he has ever had, the poisoned fruit and rankest flower of racism and contempt for women, and utterly devoid of shame for his moral and spiritual bankruptcy.
That is your leader. That is to whom you give your money. That is who you follow and laud. That is whose banner you willingly carry. Why? Because he is a mirror, not a lighthouse. You see yourselves in him. He is what you would be, if you had inherited money and could shed the last vestiges of conscience and shame.
No, I do not ďrespect your choices,Ē nor do I admire your loyalty and dedication to this miserific, demoniac vision. You have demonstrated not only a lack of civic virtue, loyalty to the Republic and to the rule of law, but a willingness to engage in violence and sedition at his slightest expressed wish. And you will never, ever admit you were wrong.
Because you see your dark, twisted, resentful dreams in him. And to renounce him is to renounce yourselves.Ē
~ Advocatus Peregrini


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3566 on March 24, 2023, 06:16:56 am
One day maybe the 'Great British public will understand
people on the dole don't steal your money
immigrants don't steal your money,

The top 1% steal your money through policies designed to make them and their chums even richer.

Argue all you want but it is a FACT


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on March 24, 2023, 13:00:09 pm
One day maybe the 'Great British public will understand
people on the dole don't steal your money
immigrants don't steal your money,

The top 1% steal your money through policies designed to make them and their chums even richer.

Argue all you want but it is a FACT

Not far off the mark Paddy.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on March 24, 2023, 13:48:27 pm
The top 1% steal your money through policies designed to make them and their chums even richer.


Surely not. Aren't they motivated by doing what's right for the greater good? Are you telling me that they are for the few, not the many? If only there was some other way.....


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on April 01, 2023, 11:48:26 am
The wealthiest top 5% pay 60% of all tax receipts collected by HMRC, god forbid if Labour ever get in they will drive these people out of the country.
Socialism is a great idea until you run out of other peoples money.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on April 01, 2023, 12:18:08 pm
The wealthiest top 5% pay 60% of all tax receipts collected by HMRC, god forbid if Labour ever get in they will drive these people out of the country.
Socialism is a great idea until you run out of other peoples money.

This current bunch if Tories are as socialist as Labour. Money wasted on pointless nonsense and an open arm policy to illegal migrants. The only vote is for the Reform Party.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on April 05, 2023, 18:21:17 pm
Comedy gold.  ;D

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11942651/Police-seen-holding-shovels-search-Nicola-Sturgeons-garden.html



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on April 06, 2023, 08:42:13 am
Comedy gold.  ;D

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11942651/Police-seen-holding-shovels-search-Nicola-Sturgeons-garden.html



It certainly is an unusual one. In this country, we have become way more used to those in power getting caught and then making excuses not to resign, rather than resigning before they get caught.

Maybe we need some who only do things for the greater good, for the many and not the few. I


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on April 06, 2023, 10:52:32 am
It certainly is an unusual one. In this country, we have become way more used to those in power getting caught and then making excuses not to resign, rather than resigning before they get caught.

Maybe we need some who only do things for the greater good, for the many and not the few. I

Have you been watching Hot Fuzz again?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on April 06, 2023, 13:20:18 pm
It certainly is an unusual one. In this country, we have become way more used to those in power getting caught and then making excuses not to resign, rather than resigning before they get caught.

Maybe we need some who only do things for the greater good, for the many and not the few.
I am reliably informed, that they are reasons and not excuses.
In the meantime, although this doesnt deal with financial issues, the principle is the same.  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REpNTi-9oRQ


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on April 21, 2023, 15:03:28 pm
Not fit to manage a department, not fit to govern a country.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on April 21, 2023, 15:29:30 pm
Not fit to manage a department, not fit to govern a country.

Well said that man......Awaits the inevitable response from someone about how Labour couldn't do something very well.
Certainly couldn't do a lot of things much worse than this sorry lot.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on April 21, 2023, 16:02:35 pm
People seem to be under the illusion that the elected government run the country. They don't, the old school tie brigade of the civil service do and what happens when a minister disagrees with them has been demonstrated today.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on April 21, 2023, 16:34:37 pm
People seem to be under the illusion that the elected government run the country. They don't, the old school tie brigade of the civil service do and what happens when a minister disagrees with them has been demonstrated today.

What, do you mean they don't agree with bullying. ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on April 21, 2023, 17:21:52 pm
Not fit to manage a department, not fit to govern a country.
The Nasty Party ( Mrs. May's description, not mine ) attracts nasty people. Who could have guessed?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on April 21, 2023, 17:30:29 pm
People seem to be under the illusion that the elected government run the country. They don't, the old school tie brigade of the civil service do and what happens when a minister disagrees with them has been demonstrated today.
Good old Sir Humphrey.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on April 21, 2023, 17:58:29 pm
He seems to be quite proud that he was only a bully twice  >:D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on April 24, 2023, 11:04:26 am
What, do you mean they don't agree with bullying. ;D

They class bullying as telling a civil servant to do his job and come to meetings prepared. The CS is an old boy's club that wields more power in the country in than the whole house of commons put together.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on April 24, 2023, 12:01:58 pm
They class bullying as telling a civil servant to do his job and come to meetings prepared. The CS is an old boy's club that wields more power in the country in than the whole house of commons put together.

That's as maybe but is he a good bloke?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on April 24, 2023, 13:36:12 pm
That's as maybe but is he a good bloke?
.

He's a million times better than Sunak.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on April 25, 2023, 12:31:12 pm
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He's a million times better than Sunak.

Not sure an Afghan working for the British Government trying to get out of the country whilst Raab (foreign minister) continued his holiday would agree - basically they are all tossers with very limited ability to perform in the jobs they are appointed (not elected) into.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on April 26, 2023, 15:34:07 pm
The Labour Party a never ending sewer of utter hypocrisy.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/23/diane-abbott-loses-whip-labour-party-jewish-racism-claims/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on April 26, 2023, 16:26:24 pm
Well said that man......Awaits the inevitable response from someone about how Labour couldn't do something very well.
Certainly couldn't do a lot of things much worse than this sorry lot.

The Labour Party a never ending sewer of utter hypocrisy.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/23/diane-abbott-loses-whip-labour-party-jewish-racism-claims/

As I was saying. :D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on April 27, 2023, 18:22:57 pm
As I was saying. :D
Sheís been thrown out of the Labour Party for racism, oh the irony 😂


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on April 27, 2023, 18:47:12 pm
Manny, Please don't compare all Labour supporters/voters with Diane Abbott


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3566 on April 28, 2023, 21:54:20 pm
The Labour Party a never ending sewer of utter hypocrisy.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/23/diane-abbott-loses-whip-labour-party-jewish-racism-claims/
Why are you so angry, you need
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOkOK8afLHI


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on May 05, 2023, 21:15:16 pm
Just think, a year from now and it will be the first day of the rest of our lives. A change in mind set of those running the country. For the many and not just the few.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on May 05, 2023, 21:31:49 pm
Just think, a year from now and it will be the first day of the rest of our lives. A change in mind set of those running the country. For the many and not just the few.

But you've just described both Con and Lab, both of them don't give a flying fúck about the people, only lining their own pockets.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on May 06, 2023, 12:01:43 pm
But you've just described both Con and Lab, both of them don't give a flying fķck about the people, only lining their own pockets.

Didn't you know, the Greens are going to snatch it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on May 06, 2023, 12:48:51 pm
Didn't you know, the Greens are going to snatch it.

The last thing I want to see is a green snatch.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3566 on May 06, 2023, 19:55:25 pm
Just think, a year from now and it will be the first day of the rest of our lives. A change in mind set of those running the country. For the many and not just the few.

If only we could change the mindset of the oppressed brainwashed masses.
Doubt it thou


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 07, 2023, 08:42:18 am
Just think, a year from now and it will be the first day of the rest of our lives. A change in mind set of those running the country. For the many and not just the few.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the ONLY thing that can save this country is pure Proportional Representation, where percentage of votes matches percentage of MP's, not some half-arsed version of it. No more radicalisation, only compromise and the only way you can truly get "For the many and not just the few". To my mind a Labour majority is a bad as a Conservative one, though maybe not quite as bad.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on May 07, 2023, 08:57:58 am
To my mind a Labour majority is a bad as a Conservative one, though maybe not quite as bad.

The second half of that sentence being the understatement of the year so far.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on May 07, 2023, 08:59:21 am
The second half of that sentence being the understatement of the year so far.

So you would trust Starmer, a man who does not even know what a woman is?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 07, 2023, 10:02:25 am
So you would trust Starmer, a man who does not even know what a woman is?

I don't think I'd trust any politician but PR would put in the safeguard to stop them using the country as their own private piggy-bank.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on May 07, 2023, 12:44:08 pm
So you would trust Starmer, a man who does not even know what a woman is?

Yes, way more than any more of the last 3 PMs. Of those 3, I consider the current one to be the least worst. The 4th and 5th back weren't great, but they were considerably better than more recently. That shows how far we have declined as a country, when you consider Cameron and May to be relatively good.

I am really not fussed how people wish to identify. These issues are distractions from the real job of giving us a country to be proud of.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 07, 2023, 22:29:44 pm
So you would trust Starmer, a man who does not even know what a woman is?
Yes, this is the real concern. Not that people can't afford to eat or cook whatever food they can afford


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on May 09, 2023, 17:33:52 pm
I see that the desperate Labour Party are turning to the Lib Demís for a coalition governmentÖ. Ed Davey is the biggest w@nker I have ever met in my life, the man is a complete buffoon.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on May 09, 2023, 17:36:37 pm
Yes, this is the real concern. Not that people can't afford to eat or cook whatever food they can afford
I am intrigued to know what you think will happen if, god forbid, Labour win at the next election?
Free food from Waitrose? or Free houses for anyone on UC?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 09, 2023, 17:59:10 pm
Perhaps somebody in charge that might be able to ghet a grip on inflation rather than ooh i dunno, silly tw@ts that last less than 2 months and set the economy back years while they're at it


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 09, 2023, 17:59:53 pm
Perhaps somebody in charge that might be able to ghet a grip on inflation rather than ooh i dunno, silly tw@ts that last less than 2 months and set the economy back years while they're at it


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 09, 2023, 18:00:47 pm
Perhaps somebody in charge that might be able to ghet a grip on inflation rather than ooh i dunno, silly tw@ts that last less than 2 months and set the economy back years while they're at it


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 10, 2023, 05:12:43 am
I see that the desperate Labour Party are turning to the Lib Demís for a coalition governmentÖ. Ed Davey is the biggest w@nker I have ever met in my life, the man is a complete buffoon.


Now THAT would be the best possible outcome. The price for Lib/Dem support (and SNP) would have to be PR and that would mean the end of Tory (and Labour) majority rule forever. Politics by consensus and nobody given the keys to the countries safe to rifle whenever they want for whatever they want.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on May 18, 2023, 17:13:11 pm
Now THAT would be the best possible outcome. The price for Lib/Dem support (and SNP) would have to be PR and that would mean the end of Tory (and Labour) majority rule forever. Politics by consensus and nobody given the keys to the countries safe to rifle whenever they want for whatever they want.
This PR you talk of is a complete disaster, it always leads to endless fractious coalitions, where politicians spend most of their time arguing about what should happen, which means nothing gets done.
If Labour move far enough to the right they suddenly become credible and are just a watered down Tory party.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 18, 2023, 19:54:24 pm
This PR you talk of is a complete disaster, it always leads to endless fractious coalitions, where politicians spend most of their time arguing about what should happen, which means nothing gets done.
If Labour move far enough to the right they suddenly become credible and are just a watered down Tory party.

Yes that's right, that's why every country in Europe except for us and Belarus has one form or another of PR.  ::) Never mind all the successful nations of the world.

It's a fair system that gives everybody a voice and doesn't allow any party that has a minority of the votes dominance. That's why you don't want it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on May 20, 2023, 13:38:54 pm
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1084308/uk-general-election-results/
Emmm 4m people more voted for the conservative and unionist party than communist Corbyn.
Not sure what your point is Marvo?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 20, 2023, 18:10:54 pm
My point is the majority of voters DIDN'T vote Tory yet our outdated system gave them an 80 seat majority.

Oh and stop bringing Corbyn into it, Labour and the Tories love stitching up democracy, I've no time for either of them.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on May 21, 2023, 11:31:42 am
In a PR model, how do the 1% (300,000) of the electorate who vote for the real minorities get represented?
Perhaps we should ban groups like the monster raving loony party. That would solve the problem, but its hardly democratic.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 21, 2023, 13:05:36 pm
In a PR model, how do the 1% (300,000) of the electorate who vote for the real minorities get represented?
Perhaps we should ban groups like the monster raving loony party. That would solve the problem, but its hardly democratic.


1% of the vote is equal to 6.5 MP's so it's simple maths.

In Northamptonshire as a whole at the 2019 election just over 380,000 people voted Tory out of over 700,000. That resulted meant that all 7 seats returned Tory MP's, leaving 320,000 people without representation. With PR where percentage of votes equals percentage of MP's, the result would have led to 4 Tory MP's and either 3 Labour MP's or 2 Labour, 1 Lib/Dem. A much fairer representation of how people voted and would mean 91.6% of voters in Northants would be represented in parliament instead of what we have now, 55.7%.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on May 21, 2023, 16:03:04 pm
1% of the vote is equal to 6.5 MP's so it's simple maths.

In Northamptonshire as a whole at the 2019 election just over 380,000 people voted Tory out of over 700,000. That resulted meant that all 7 seats returned Tory MP's, leaving 320,000 people without representation. With PR where percentage of votes equals percentage of MP's, the result would have led to 4 Tory MP's and either 3 Labour MP's or 2 Labour, 1 Lib/Dem. A much fairer representation of how people voted and would mean 91.6% of voters in Northants would be represented in parliament instead of what we have now, 55.7%.
Correct, but there are many more groups within that 1% than 6.5.
If I vote for the monster raving looney party or the English Democrats for example, how do I get the representation in parliament that the PR is supposed to provide?
We would have to ban all of the very very small parties and that isn't democratic.

 




Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 21, 2023, 18:42:20 pm
Correct, but there are many more groups within that 1% than 6.5.
If I vote for the monster raving looney party or the English Democrats for example, how do I get the representation in parliament that the PR is supposed to provide?
We would have to ban all of the very very small parties and that isn't democratic.

No, you needn't ban anybody. Proportional representation would mean if on a national basis a party got enough votes to get one MP then they would get one.

At the last General election it took the following amount of votes to get each MP.

SNP = 25,883
Conservatives = 38,264
Plaid Cymru = 38,316
Labour = 50,719
Lib/Dems = 336,038
Greens = 865,707

Is it any wonder the major parties are so against Proportional Representation when First Past the Post gives them such an advantage.




Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on May 23, 2023, 13:28:56 pm
No, you needn't ban anybody. Proportional representation would mean if on a national basis a party got enough votes to get one MP then they would get one.

At the last General election it took the following amount of votes to get each MP.

SNP = 25,883
Conservatives = 38,264
Plaid Cymru = 38,316
Labour = 50,719
Lib/Dems = 336,038
Greens = 865,707

Is it any wonder the major parties are so against Proportional Representation when First Past the Post gives them such an advantage.




OK, so if the Monster raving loonies get enough votes for a seat who decides which ward they will represent? You will end up with wards being represented by parties that didn't get the majority of the vote in that ward. How is that democratic?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on May 24, 2023, 17:26:52 pm
It has worked in Northern Ireland for years


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on May 24, 2023, 17:27:44 pm
Bojo in the spotlight again over COVID19 breaches >:D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 24, 2023, 17:46:13 pm
OK, so if the Monster raving loonies get enough votes for a seat who decides which ward they will represent? You will end up with wards being represented by parties that didn't get the majority of the vote in that ward. How is that democratic?

They would get a seat in an area they were particular well supported, though I suspect it would be one in the major cities. Anyway, don't talk to me about democracy, how is our system democratic when so many have no voice?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on May 24, 2023, 18:14:11 pm
They would get a seat in an area they were particular well supported, though I suspect it would be one in the major cities. Anyway, don't talk to me about democracy, how is our system democratic when so many have no voice?

How is what you are proposing democratic?
Example a party needs 1,001 votes to get a seat and the MRLP gets 1,001 votes. They put up five candidates of which four got 200 votes and one got 201 votes. So by your method the one who got 201 votes would be the MP for that ward even when the other parties had tens of thousands of votes. Please explain to me how the people of that ward are being democratically represented.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 25, 2023, 05:47:15 am
How is what you are proposing democratic?
Example a party needs 1,001 votes to get a seat and the MRLP gets 1,001 votes. They put up five candidates of which four got 200 votes and one got 201 votes. So by your method the one who got 201 votes would be the MP for that ward even when the other parties had tens of thousands of votes. Please explain to me how the people of that ward are being democratically represented.

Quite simple again. You need to look at a bigger picture with areas covered by several MP's. Like the example I gave of Northamptonshire with 7 MP's so a ward in Northamptonshire, say Northampton South may have a majority of Conservative voters but the MP could be Labour. If someone is determined to talk to a conservative MP, they would "travel" over the border to talk to the one in Northampton North. You need to think this through. Incidentally, the majority of people in a constituency don't even know who there MP is unless they are a prominent figure. I don't know who my MP is. Also, an MP is there to represent ALL the people of a constituency, not just those that voted for their particular party.
I'll reiterate again, all parties that again enough votes would be entitled to a representative in parliament. They may not live on your doorstep but you can write, email, phone them, this is not the 17th century.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on May 25, 2023, 09:15:36 am
Quite simple again. You need to look at a bigger picture with areas covered by several MP's. Like the example I gave of Northamptonshire with 7 MP's so a ward in Northamptonshire, say Northampton South may have a majority of Conservative voters but the MP could be Labour. If someone is determined to talk to a conservative MP, they would "travel" over the border to talk to the one in Northampton North. You need to think this through. Incidentally, the majority of people in a constituency don't even know who there MP is unless they are a prominent figure. I don't know who my MP is. Also, an MP is there to represent ALL the people of a constituency, not just those that voted for their particular party.
I'll reiterate again, all parties that again enough votes would be entitled to a representative in parliament. They may not live on your doorstep but you can write, email, phone them, this is not the 17th century.

Quite simple again. A ward that votes majority conservative ends up with a labour MP who doesn't represent the will of the majority and will have a totally different agenda to that majority. You say they have to go elsewhere to speak to an MP from the party they voted for who wont know about the local environment in that ward. Still don;t see that as democracy. Sounds to me like a dictatorship where I am told who represents me in parliament.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 25, 2023, 09:24:18 am
Quite simple again. A ward that votes majority conservative ends up with a labour MP who doesn't represent the will of the majority and will have a totally different agenda to that majority. You say they have to go elsewhere to speak to an MP from the party they voted for who wont know about the local environment in that ward. Still don't see that as democracy. Sounds to me like a dictatorship where I am told who represents me in parliament.

And what about the thousands who do vote for a party but get NO representation. Is that your idea of democracy?

Any MP worth their salt could research and discover the local environment issues and we're not talking about them being thousands of miles away, it could be like an different area of Northampton for example.

No system is perfect but First Past the Post is the least democratic of them all and the concerns you raise are trifling when compared to that.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 25, 2023, 09:38:39 am
(https://i.postimg.cc/tJPKrPrW/Northamptonshire.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

You think this is democratic do you?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on May 25, 2023, 10:07:50 am
(https://i.postimg.cc/tJPKrPrW/Northamptonshire.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

You think this is democratic do you?

It is more democratic than forcing an MP on an area where the majority of people obviously don't want them. Going by your previous post you claim the all MPs represent all constituents irrespective of their party, so your claim that 320,000 people would not be represented is false. Or does that rule only apply when it is proportional representation?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 25, 2023, 11:05:32 am
You are obviously somebody who benefits from our corrupt system, so doesn't want it to change. Proportional Representation works in all European countries except ourselves and Belarus yet you don't think it could work here. What a strange mindset. Of the population of Northamptonshire, over 700,000 people, how many do you think go and see their MP face to face? Could they not contact them by email? Post? Phone? Even a video call. If there were for example 4 Conservative, 2 Labour and 1 Lib/Dem MP in Northamptonshire reflecting the vote, do you not think that is enough Tory MP's for local people to contact? There would be nothing to stop them setting up offices in the major towns where they could hold their surgery's? If the same amount of people shopped at Sainsburys as voted Tory, do you think all the Tesco's, Morrisons, Waitrose's should be closed and we all forced to use Sainsbury because that's what the majority wanted? And of course it isn't even a majority is it? More people DIDN'T vote for this government than did yet here we are with an 80-seat Tory majority. There's your democracy you are so keen to continue with. It's so easy to try and pick tiny insignificant flaws in other systems yet ignore the downright unfairness of the one we have.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on May 25, 2023, 13:47:33 pm
You are obviously somebody who benefits from our corrupt system, so doesn't want it to change. Proportional Representation works in all European countries except ourselves and Belarus yet you don't think it could work here. What a strange mindset. Of the population of Northamptonshire, over 700,000 people, how many do you think go and see their MP face to face? Could they not contact them by email? Post? Phone? Even a video call. If there were for example 4 Conservative, 2 Labour and 1 Lib/Dem MP in Northamptonshire reflecting the vote, do you not think that is enough Tory MP's for local people to contact? There would be nothing to stop them setting up offices in the major towns where they could hold their surgery's? If the same amount of people shopped at Sainsburys as voted Tory, do you think all the Tesco's, Morrisons, Waitrose's should be closed and we all forced to use Sainsbury because that's what the majority wanted? And of course it isn't even a majority is it? More people DIDN'T vote for this government than did yet here we are with an 80-seat Tory majority. There's your democracy you are so keen to continue with. It's so easy to try and pick tiny insignificant flaws in other systems yet ignore the downright unfairness of the one we have.

Insignificant flaws mmmm. You are still forcing people in a particular ward to have an MP the ward did not vote for when that MP didn't get enough votes, that is a dictatorship and your analogy to the shops, I'm sorry is rather clutching at straws, no body would be told where to shop, unless it is under your PR scheme.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 25, 2023, 14:27:16 pm
The MP would have gotten enough votes, otherwise he wouldn't be an MP. Northamptonshire would have 7 MP's but the 7 Tories wouldn't have received the highest votes in the county.

Listen, I understand where you are coming from. The dice have been loaded in your favour, there's no way to want to see a change to the rules of the game, however unfair they maybe to your opponents. Next election we'll get a Labour government elected on a minority of votes and nothing will change. Its a stich up and the millions of Lib/Dem,Greens, UKIP, etc can all go whistle as far as you are concerned, just because they are not all contained in one small area.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on May 25, 2023, 15:21:55 pm
I like the system as it is purely because it stops the like of the LibDems, UKIP and god forbid the idiot greenies ending up with the deciding vote in a hung parliament.
And you say it works on the continent, I can tell in Germany there is a big push to get rid of it for that reason.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 25, 2023, 15:43:25 pm
I like the system as it is purely because it stops the like of the LibDems, UKIP and god forbid the idiot greenies ending up with the deciding vote in a hung parliament.
And you say it works on the continent, I can tell in Germany there is a big push to get rid of it for that reason.

But it's not fair, it delivers majority governments on a minority of votes. However as you say, you like it because it prevents people you don't like having a say. Condemned by your own words. There only one dictator here.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on May 25, 2023, 15:55:37 pm
But it's not fair, it delivers majority governments on a minority of votes. However as you say, you like it because it prevents people you don't like having a say. Condemned by your own words. There only one dictator here.

No it prevents a few loonies dictating to the masses like in Germany. Do you think the German people like all this green BS that has been implemented by the greens selling their votes in exchange for their extreme policies?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on May 26, 2023, 04:38:41 am
No it prevents a few loonies dictating to the masses like in Germany. Do you think the German people like all this green BS that has been implemented by the greens selling their votes in exchange for their extreme policies?

Wouldn't be the same in this country, pure proportional representation would result in many more seats for the smaller parties, there must be thousands that would like to vote away from the two main parties but don't because they know under FPTP their vote would be wasted. If they knew it would count and go towards the party of the choice they would vote accordingly. So would thousands who feel disenfranchised from our electoral system who don't even bother voting now. It would be a great step forward for democracy.

You've let yourself down again. Look at your post. "Prevent"? You're not interested in a fair system, you just want to stop people having a voice. However much you disagree with them, they are entitled to their voice. That IS democracy.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 26, 2023, 08:32:51 am
Wouldn't be the same in this country, pure proportional representation would result in many more seats for the smaller parties, there must be thousands that would like to vote away from the two main parties but don't because they know under FPTP their vote would be wasted. If they knew it would count and go towards the party of the choice they would vote accordingly. So would thousands who feel disenfranchised from our electoral system who don't even bother voting now. It would be a great step forward for democracy.

You've let yourself down again. Look at your post. "Prevent"? You're not interested in a fair system, you just want to stop people having a voice. However much you disagree with them, they are entitled to their voice. That IS democracy.

Could not agree more. And I'm one of those who never bothers. This is my one and only comment on this. The system is set up to protect the establishment. Whether it is labour or Tory. 


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3600 on June 02, 2023, 20:54:39 pm
I don't like Politics, kale and tories.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 09, 2023, 20:27:34 pm
bojo throws his toys out of his pram and quits
>:D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on June 09, 2023, 21:28:41 pm
bojo throws his toys out of his pram and quits
>:D



Quit before you are fired and then blame it on a conspiracy- an entitled (albeit charismatic) dishonest, immoral individual that disgraced the high office he held.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 10, 2023, 05:36:28 am
bojo throws his toys out of his pram and quits
>:D

Three words: imminent book deal.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on June 10, 2023, 08:45:10 am



Quit before you are fired and then blame it on a conspiracy- an entitled (albeit charismatic) dishonest, immoral individual that disgraced the high office he held.
Hounded out by the poisonous left FFS the head of the enquiry was Harriet Harman, anyway Boris will be back.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 10, 2023, 09:14:10 am
Hounded out by the poisonous left FFS the head of the enquiry was Harriet Harman, anyway Boris will be back.
Have I got news for you beckons..


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 10, 2023, 12:07:29 pm
Hounded out by the poisonous left FFS the head of the enquiry was Harriet Harman, anyway Boris will be back.
Hounded out? For breaking the law that his government inflicted on us? For being fined for breaking that law? The narcissistic liar isn't fit to in charge of his own bath time let alone the UK! He quit because he's been found out  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 10, 2023, 13:37:50 pm
bojo throws his toys out of his pram and quits
>:D

This is genuinely a shame.

I wanted to see him have to face a bye-election and get voted out.  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 10, 2023, 15:52:07 pm
This is genuinely a shame.

I wanted to see him have to face a bye-election and get voted out.  ;D
He's a coward, took the easy way out  ;)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3566 on June 10, 2023, 15:54:34 pm


An entitled, dishonest, immoral individual.

Is that the Cambridge Dictionary definition of a Tory


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on June 10, 2023, 15:58:22 pm
Is that the Cambridge Dictionary definition of a Tory

Spot on definition of a tory politician, allegedly. :D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on June 10, 2023, 19:03:36 pm
Hounded out? For breaking the law that his government inflicted on us? For being fined for breaking that law? The narcissistic liar isn't fit to in charge of his own bath time let alone the UK! He quit because he's been found out  ;D

With the agreement of parliament. The Liberals and Labour wanted to go further.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 10, 2023, 19:27:54 pm
With the agreement of parliament. The Liberals and Labour wanted to go further.
Laws that were inflicted on us and he, his friends and others chose to ignore! The vast majority of people complied with the regulations, just a shame that boris et al thought they didn't need to!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on June 11, 2023, 06:45:31 am
Hounded out by the poisonous left FFS the head of the enquiry was Harriet Harman, anyway Boris will be back.

Oh dear Manny. Your political world is falling apart.

Johnson wasnít hounded out by anybody:
The Privilege Committee (Tory Brexiters dominated) recommends to the Commons (Tory Brexiter dominated) who would have voted and then the good folks of Uxbridge (Tory majority) would have to decide.

Heís just a coward and ran away as soon as he had to face some consequences for his narcissistic actions - like the Poundland Trump he truly is.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 13, 2023, 17:09:32 pm
So much hate flying around! Not a coherent opinion in sight!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on June 13, 2023, 18:03:14 pm
So much hate flying around! Not a coherent opinion in sight!
What's you view on him breaking his own law then?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 13, 2023, 19:10:49 pm
So much hate flying around! Not a coherent opinion in sight!

It's not really surprising that some people hate him, considering what he did to the country overall and lots of groups of people and many individuals. Many would despise how he put his own self interest before the common good and how he hasn't even got the guts to acknowledge what he has done wrong. These are my coherent opinions. What are you opinions about what he did that was deemed to be illegal during Covid or about parts of his time in charge? See if you can find something positive that I can agree with.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on June 13, 2023, 20:31:20 pm
It never ceases to amaze me how much people take their opinions from the poisonous left wing media, did we hear about the shadow foreign minister losing the whip, Nah of course not.
Boris always got things done.
I see sturgeon has been arrested and yet still keeps her seat at Holyrood.

As our greatest post war PM said ďThe trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples moneyĒ


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 13, 2023, 22:14:13 pm
What's you view on him breaking his own law then?
.
When in the instances he clearly broke his own rules I mentioned on the main forum that it was clueless and foolhardy behaviour.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 13, 2023, 22:17:16 pm
It's not really surprising that some people hate him, considering what he did to the country overall and lots of groups of people and many individuals. Many would despise how he put his own self interest before the common good and how he hasn't even got the guts to acknowledge what he has done wrong. These are my coherent opinions. What are you opinions about what he did that was deemed to be illegal during Covid or about parts of his time in charge? See if you can find something positive that I can agree with.


So you are a better man than he?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 13, 2023, 23:23:54 pm
So you are a better man than he?

Surely you can set the bar higher than that Evers..


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 14, 2023, 07:10:29 am
I worked in a care home throughout the Pandemic, I obeyed the rules to the letter! The nearest I got to my parents was the gate to their front garden, during the first lockdown! I expect our elected representatives to conduct themselves in a manner above reproach! He was found out good and proper, and judged by his fellow MPs. No spin, no politics, just right and wrong!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 14, 2023, 07:25:49 am
So you are a better man than he?

I really try to be. And I hope my peers would say so.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 14, 2023, 07:27:40 am
Surely you can set the bar higher than that Evers..

I would like to position myself between Johnson and Fenners. Hopefully nearer the Fenners end of the spectrum.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 14, 2023, 07:28:08 am
Itís not about being the better man!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 14, 2023, 08:10:55 am
Laws that were inflicted on us and he, his friends and others chose to ignore! The vast majority of people complied with the regulations, just a shame that boris et al thought they didn't need to!

Inflicted - more like a common sense precaution!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 14, 2023, 08:18:38 am
Surely you can set the bar higher than that Evers..

Was not the point was trying to make!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 14, 2023, 08:33:09 am
Itís not about being the better man!
That's a shame. I'm used to winning  :P


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 14, 2023, 08:45:52 am
Itís not about being the better man!

Like to feel it is just an opinion as is yours. For me your interpretation is askew. Humility might be a consideration and could play a part but it is brave man who declares himself better than the next person Especially when it is made in a political scenario?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 14, 2023, 09:54:57 am
Like to feel it is just an opinion as is yours. For me your interpretation is askew. Humility might be a consideration and could play a part but it is brave man who declares himself better than the next person Especially when it is made in a political scenario?
Itís about living life ďrightĒ Boris Johnson hasnít! And the rules were inflicted, and ignored by some, including Johnson and you! 🧐


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 14, 2023, 10:11:11 am
Itís about living life ďrightĒ Boris Johnson hasnít! And the rules were inflicted, and ignored by some, including Johnson and you! 🧐
I did pop to the local Londis once or twice. Better count me in to the gang.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 14, 2023, 11:16:54 am
I did pop to the local Londis once or twice. Better count me in to the gang.
Did you socially distance and wear a mask? If so then no rules breached  ;)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 14, 2023, 15:41:14 pm
Itís about living life ďrightĒ Boris Johnson hasnít! And the rules were inflicted, and ignored by some, including Johnson and you! 🧐

Fair enough - but strange use of 'inflicted', for the general population it was a reasonable precaution?  Clearly some resented them as they considered them an afront to their personal freedom.

May I add it is just my opinion.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 14, 2023, 16:07:02 pm
Fair enough - but strange use of 'inflicted', for the general population it was a reasonable precaution?  Clearly some resented them as they considered them an afront to their personal freedom.

May I add it is just my opinion.
to force someone or something to experience something unpleasant: A definition of inflict!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on June 14, 2023, 16:53:15 pm
I worked in a care home throughout the Pandemic, I obeyed the rules to the letter! The nearest I got to my parents was the gate to their front garden, during the first lockdown! I expect our elected representatives to conduct themselves in a manner above reproach! He was found out good and proper, and judged by his fellow MPs. No spin, no politics, just right and wrong!
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/did-the-downing-street-party-break-the-law/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on June 15, 2023, 06:40:26 am
If breaking the Covid rules was all he had done, he might have gotten away with it. However that is just a tiny piece of the man. A selfish liar who ALWAYS puts himself first. Christ, not content with getting caught receiving a blow-job in the House of Commons, for which the discoverer has just been rewarded in his honours list, he invited his mistress round to his home for a bit of hanky-panky whilst his wife was in hospital undergoing treatment for cancer! That is the type of man deemed worthy of leading our country. How ANYONE can defend him is beyond me, I guess they are made from the same cloth.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 15, 2023, 06:55:34 am
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/did-the-downing-street-party-break-the-law/
I donít read vituperative right wing magazines! 😘


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 15, 2023, 07:36:24 am
I donít read vituperative right wing magazines! 😘

blame or insult (someone) in strong or violent language.- bit archaic. As a matter of interest are you still in the Caring Profession?









Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 15, 2023, 09:18:02 am
blame or insult (someone) in strong or violent language.- bit archaic. As a matter of interest are you still in the Caring Profession?



I retired from my care home job last year and left the NMC register in August 2022.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 15, 2023, 11:35:55 am
If breaking the Covid rules was all he had done, he might have gotten away with it. However that is just a tiny piece of the man. A selfish liar who ALWAYS puts himself first. Christ, not content with getting caught receiving a blow-job in the House of Commons, for which the discoverer has just been rewarded in his honours list, he invited his mistress round to his home for a bit of hanky-panky whilst his wife was in hospital undergoing treatment for cancer! That is the type of man deemed worthy of leading our country. How ANYONE can defend him is beyond me, I guess they are made from the same cloth.

From what I can gather the whole reason for his apparent demise is for breaking the Covid rules and his attempt to hide these events led to him misleading parliament and earning the epitaph of liar. Not sure if he is a victim of Brexit and 'remainers' as some of them have been very vociferous in expressing their disappointment and outrage at Brexit 

Boris brought his own downfall on himself alone!

As for the other somewhat personal comments you make, are these facts and have you proof to sustain them?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 15, 2023, 11:39:33 am
I retired from my care home job last year and left the NMC register in August 2022.

Thanks for the info. Happy retirement if that is the case., My Runner Beans are wilting in this heat!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on June 15, 2023, 12:45:11 pm
2 primary rules of management and leadership.
1. Treat everyone in a manner that you would demand to be treated yourself.
2. Donít ask anyone to do anything that you are not prepared to do yourself.

Go compare.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MCHammer on June 15, 2023, 16:28:54 pm
Boris is and always was an accident waiting to happen.  Dangerously incompetent and only got where he did because of those that wanted to abuse the power he could bring them.  Even then those backers still underestimated just how incompetent he could be.

Ironic how these sort of people always seem to get brought down by something relatively minor in the general scheme of things.



 



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 16, 2023, 09:52:04 am
Boris is and always was an accident waiting to happen.  Dangerously incompetent and only got where he did because of those that wanted to abuse the power he could bring them.  Even then those backers still underestimated just how incompetent he could be.

Ironic how these sort of people always seem to get brought down by something relatively minor in the general scheme of things.

It wasnít minor though it got him the sack! Very disappointed in him for being so foolish. Will enjoy coming back to revisit you Guys if he ends up in Parliament or worse ever again. How is Uncle Keith coming along?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 16, 2023, 11:34:29 am
Boris has a new job as a columnist for the Daily Mail.
Sits back and wait for the predictable outrage. Why doesnt this forum have a popcorn emoji?  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 16, 2023, 11:44:41 am
Boris has a new job as a columnist for the Daily Mail.
Sits back and wait for the predictable outrage. Why doesnt this forum have a popcorn emoji?  ;D

One liar gets to work at another liar.

I'll try and think of some more comments for you this afternoon so you can enjoy your popcorn - a party size pack!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 16, 2023, 14:35:30 pm
One liar gets to work at another liar.

I'll try and think of some more comments for you this afternoon so you can enjoy your popcorn - a party size pack!
I love fishing. if the maggot is big enough they will always rise.
I found my popcorn! (https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/styles/smilies/popcorn.gif)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 16, 2023, 16:25:46 pm
And has broken the ministerial code as well, merda always finds its own level  8)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 16, 2023, 17:03:04 pm
I love fishing. if the maggot is big enough they will always rise.
I found my popcorn! (https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/styles/smilies/popcorn.gif)

Disappointed, no picture of popcorn 🍿. But in terms of maggots, you had two biggies there, the Heil and Johnson - couldn't resist a nibble, mmmm, tasty.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 16, 2023, 17:03:47 pm
And has broken the ministerial code as well, merda always finds its own level  8)

You couldn't make it up really, but why would anyone be surprised?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 16, 2023, 17:31:59 pm
You couldn't make it up really, but why would anyone be surprised?
I think the loveable buffoon persona has been rumbled at long last


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 17, 2023, 09:27:27 am
One liar gets to work at another liar.

I'll try and think of some more comments for you this afternoon so you can enjoy your popcorn - a party size pack!

Must say Bingers you rise to the bait with all the athleticism of a mobile trout. Is their a politician we can mention who wont feed your imagination. Must be a living one tho' who has not been up to the usual politico tricks/faux pas.

kind regards Boris


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 17, 2023, 19:00:14 pm
Must say Bingers you rise to the bait with all the athleticism of a mobile trout.

Of course, we like to keep Tabby happy. He sets them and I will deliver for him. Keeps us occupied in the close season. Or if we are winning too many games so we have nothing to whinge about.

Friendly bit of banter that we don't get too worked up about. Even Manny can get involved as well. No personal abuse or criticisms, just agreeing to disagree, even though they are wrong.  ;)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on June 20, 2023, 06:22:30 am
Noted with two exceptions our county MPs showed themselves to be spineless in abstaining for the boat - FFS nail your colours on the mast - if you support a lying charlatan say so - if not vote for the motion. A truly morally broken party.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on June 20, 2023, 08:42:06 am
Noted with two exceptions our county MPs showed themselves to be spineless in abstaining for the boat - FFS nail your colours on the mast - if you support a lying charlatan say so - if not vote for the motion. A truly morally broken party.

Even their esteemed leader "missed" the vote because he had "other plans". What a sorry shower.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on June 20, 2023, 09:07:35 am
Not voting, was their only option. Vote against Boris, and they'd get kicked eyt by the local activists. Vote for him, and they'd lose a load of votes in the next general election. Case of damage limitation.

Playing politics is what gets any politician up the ladder.

Which is why I have no time for any of them anymore. Doubt Ill bother voting next time round, the system is totally broken. Look at the SNP women still sitting as an independent 2 years after she got kicked out by her party.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on June 20, 2023, 12:20:18 pm
My MP in the South of the County voted for the report. I suspect that after being in correspondence with her about him, she dislikes him almost as much as I do, but I suspect that those that do know him best, like him least.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on June 20, 2023, 12:21:18 pm
Not voting, was their only option. Vote against Boris, and they'd get kicked eyt by the local activists. Vote for him, and they'd lose a load of votes in the next general election. Case of damage limitation.

Playing politics is what gets any politician up the ladder.

Which is why I have no time for any of them anymore. Doubt Ill bother voting next time round, the system is totally broken. Look at the SNP women still sitting as an independent 2 years after she got kicked out by her party.

Agreed with reasoning but it doesnít address the spineless self interest - Iím off the electoral register these day but suspect Iíd take a similar line to you if that wasnít the case.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on June 20, 2023, 12:22:49 pm
My MP in the South of the County voted for the report. I suspect that after being in correspondence with her about him, she dislikes him almost as much as I do, but I suspect that those that do know him best, like him least.

Fair play to her for this action but it would still take me a lot to forgive her for her 2016 lies


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on June 20, 2023, 12:40:13 pm
Agreed with reasoning but it doesnít address the spineless self interest - Iím off the electoral register these day but suspect Iíd take a similar line to you if that wasnít the case.

Indeed. Self preservation is what it always comes down to. I guess that's the case in all walks of life, ultimately. But it tastes a lot worse when it involves people being paid to represent us.

My biggest issue with the current set up is that when someone gets the gig to be an MP for 4 or 5 years, 90plus percent of people in most cases only vote for them because of the party they represent. Their own personality, record etc doesn't come in to it. So when they are kicked out of their own party (there's been a number of high profile ones from Cons/Labour/SNP in recent times), I have a very strong view point that it should trigger a by-election. Not just stick around as 'an independent'. They can even switch parties mid-term and still keep their jobs! Which is utterly farcical!

I didn't vote in the recent local elections, that's the first time ever and I'm 50. The last general election I voted Tory, but literally only to keep Corbyn and McDonnell out! I knew precisely who I was voting for (Boris) and what he stood for, but for me it was slightly the better option. I still maintain that despite what's since happened. But its been so bad (tbf Covid has had a mammoth hand to play in that), its taught me a lesson in that if the only options I have are both complete idiots then I just wont bother from now on. I know ultimately I voted for Peter Bone (who to be fair was brilliant in the one occasion I've ever written to an MP in my life), the local MP wasn't my consideration when I casted my vote. Not one jot. Id argue that most people think the same as me and vote for the party, end of.

PR needs to be brought in, then we will have a proper democracy as opposed to the outdated scam of a system we currently have. Which isn't fit for purpose!





Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 20, 2023, 20:28:40 pm
Indeed. Self preservation is what it always comes down to. I guess that's the case in all walks of life, ultimately. But it tastes a lot worse when it involves people being paid to represent us.

My biggest issue with the current set up is that when someone gets the gig to be an MP for 4 or 5 years, 90plus percent of people in most cases only vote for them because of the party they represent. Their own personality, record etc doesn't come in to it. So when they are kicked out of their own party (there's been a number of high profile ones from Cons/Labour/SNP in recent times), I have a very strong view point that it should trigger a by-election. Not just stick around as 'an independent'. They can even switch parties mid-term and still keep their jobs! Which is utterly farcical!

I didn't vote in the recent local elections, that's the first time ever and I'm 50. The last general election I voted Tory, but literally only to keep Corbyn and McDonnell out! I knew precisely who I was voting for (Boris) and what he stood for, but for me it was slightly the better option. I still maintain that despite what's since happened. But its been so bad (tbf Covid has had a mammoth hand to play in that), its taught me a lesson in that if the only options I have are both complete idiots then I just wont bother from now on. I know ultimately I voted for Peter Bone (who to be fair was brilliant in the one occasion I've ever written to an MP in my life), the local MP wasn't my consideration when I casted my vote. Not one jot. Id argue that most people think the same as me and vote for the party, end of.

PR needs to be brought in, then we will have a proper democracy as opposed to the outdated scam of a system we currently have. Which isn't fit for purpose!




Greed, nepotism and dishonesty?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 21, 2023, 13:25:05 pm
Greed, nepotism and dishonesty?

If Boris was a season tkt holder or a supporter of NTFC and seen at some away grounds you would probably change your mind. Perhaps this would ensure Northampton might retain two Conservative MP's at the forthcoming '24 election.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 21, 2023, 16:00:08 pm
If Boris was a season tkt holder or a supporter of NTFC and seen at some away grounds you would probably change your mind. Perhaps this would ensure Northampton might retain two Conservative MP's at the forthcoming '24 election.
No I wouldn't, an execrable individual of the lowest order, as for the 2 MPs, I wouldn't p1ss on their chips!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on June 21, 2023, 16:16:25 pm
Perhaps this would ensure Northampton might retain two Conservative MP's at the forthcoming '24 election.

I've got to ask, have you been in some self-induced coma for the last 13 years?

In Northampton in 2019, out of a total of 80,374, 41,945 voted for the Conservatives, 31,741 for Labour. That resulted in TWO Tory MP's. In what sort of democracy does 52% of the vote lead to 100% of the representation? That is the root cause of the problems in this country.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 21, 2023, 17:45:22 pm
I've got to ask, have you been in some self-induced coma for the last 13 years?

In Northampton in 2019, out of a total of 80,374, 41,945 voted for the Conservatives, 31,741 for Labour. That resulted in TWO Tory MP's. In what sort of democracy does 52% of the vote lead to 100% of the representation? That is the root cause of the problems in this country.


I donít take Politics too seriously particularly from somebody who has only watched the Cobblers for less than 50 years. My attitude to any supporter is that if they have only been a supporter for less than 6 months they still have equal rights with any supporter!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 21, 2023, 19:05:17 pm
I've got to ask, have you been in some self-induced coma for the last 13 years?

 In what sort of democracy does 52% of the vote lead to 100% of the representation? That is the root cause of the problems in this country.

I sense a maggot, go on, I will have a nibble and see if it tastes nice.....

Ah yes, the ongoing shÓtshow that is Brexit. A slight majority is allowed to fůck up the country for years to come.  Still waiting for the bus promises...... What, you mean Johnson lied to us, no, surely not. 😔


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on June 21, 2023, 20:21:54 pm
I sense a maggot, go on, I will have a nibble and see if it tastes nice.....

Ah yes, the ongoing shÓtshow that is Brexit. A slight majority is allowed to fůck up the country for years to come.  Still waiting for the bus promises...... What, you mean Johnson lied to us, no, surely not. 😔

Have a read and prepare some calculations;

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on June 23, 2023, 20:27:59 pm
Labour shadow minister looses whip, rotten to the core.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-shadow-minister-bambos-charalambous-suspended-conduct
God help,this country if this band of low lives ever gets near power probably propped up by the Liberal Democratís and Krankies corrupt SNP.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on June 23, 2023, 21:55:34 pm
i suppose you missed dominic raab having to resign for bullying?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on June 23, 2023, 23:17:31 pm
Labour shadow minister looses whip, rotten to the core.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-shadow-minister-bambos-charalambous-suspended-conduct
God help,this country if this band of low lives ever gets near power probably propped up by the Liberal Democratís and Krankies corrupt SNP.


Perhaps this means Labour are finally learning what it takes to be in government?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 24, 2023, 08:32:03 am
Looks like "I am real man" Putin is having a few problems, a bit closer to home than he expected.
These things rarely end well.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 24, 2023, 10:31:43 am
Looks like "I am real man" Putin is having a few problems, a bit closer to home than he expected.
These things rarely end well.

Whilst I don't think there could be many worse world leaders than Putin, I think the Wagner bloke could "Trump" him if somehow he was to become President. However I am fairly sure he won't get the chance and won't find out how The Mighty Cobblers do in pre-season, let alone be alive to celebrate back to back promotions.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 24, 2023, 11:55:28 am
Whilst I don't think there could be many worse world leaders than Putin, I think the Wagner bloke could "Trump" him if somehow he was to become President. However I am fairly sure he won't get the chance and won't find out how The Mighty Cobblers do in pre-season, let alone be alive to celebrate back to back promotions.
Putin doesnt fear the West. He knows that we have the appetite for a cold war, but not actual conflict. He does however, fear revolution from within. Once them wheels are rollin, they are difficult to stop. The next couple of days could be very interesting. This new dude is a mercenary,  he could turn out to be even worse. Assuming that he doesnt fall out of a hotel window, or suffer the Salisbury syndrome in the meantime.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 24, 2023, 12:02:24 pm
The oligarchs will step in any time soon, they don't want their bank balances being messed with. They hold the real power in Russia, Putin and his chef will be gone soon


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 24, 2023, 12:15:59 pm
The oligarchs will step in any time soon, they don't want their bank balances being messed with. They hold the real power in Russia, Putin and his chef will be gone soon
By all accounts, there are a mass of private jets leaving Moscow heading for Turkey airspace. They have already lost their yachts, but dont mess with their roubles.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on June 24, 2023, 16:09:40 pm
By all accounts, there are a mass of private jets leaving Moscow heading for Turkey airspace. They have already lost their yachts, but dont mess with their roubles.
Getting very lively, no sign of the invincible russian military getting involved either!  >:D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 24, 2023, 17:26:44 pm
On my last construction site in London, we had all sorts of nationalities. It was like the UN at times. They all had petty squabbles over petty issues, different religions, races, even tribes. The only unifying factor was amongst all of the eastern europeans, whatever country, they all absolutely loathed Russians. On that basis I would suggest that Putin does not have many directions left to turn. Apart from a flight to some tin pot South American juntas gaff.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 24, 2023, 18:08:14 pm
The only unifying factor was amongst all of the eastern europeans, whatever country, they all absolutely loathed Russians. On that basis I would suggest that Putin does not have many directions left to turn. Apart from a flight to some tin pot South American juntas gaff.

Well if the Saudis will take the spoilt brat that is Ronaldo, he might end up there. It's not like the powers that be would struggle with their conscience about having an accused war criminal in their ranks.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 24, 2023, 18:11:11 pm
I loved the line from the Ukrainian Defence minister earlier. Along the lines of "this time last year everyone thought Russia had the second strongest army in the world. By last week people realised they only had the second strongest army in Ukraine. Today they are seeing they only have the second strongest army in Russia." ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on June 27, 2023, 09:28:32 am
Have a read and prepare some calculations;

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget

On that basis the NHS is a black hole and is due a reform!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on June 27, 2023, 09:37:58 am
Health is the great leveller in life (and death). Doesn't matter whether you are rich or poor, we all die. If I'm ill, I want to see a doctor and I want to see him today. If I need an operation, I want that tomorrow. I don't give two f***s how much in tax that costs me, NOTHING is more important.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on June 27, 2023, 11:43:18 am
Health is the great leveller in life (and death). Doesn't matter whether you are rich or poor, we all die. If I'm ill, I want to see a doctor and I want to see him today. If I need an operation, I want that tomorrow. I don't give two f***s how much in tax that costs me, NOTHING is more important.

And I don't care about how much tax I pay to make it happen for you, for Manny, for Tabby or anyone else, Tories or not. Let us pay the tax to have a health service to be proud of. And when I say us, I am including the rich of this country and all those companies that make money from us, it is our money.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on June 27, 2023, 14:45:46 pm
Health is the great leveller in life (and death). Doesn't matter whether you are rich or poor, we all die. If I'm ill, I want to see a doctor and I want to see him today. If I need an operation, I want that tomorrow. I don't give two f***s how much in tax that costs me, NOTHING is more important.
There's no equality in health.
Try the Black Report, it's an old one but even more relevant today.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on June 29, 2023, 15:57:29 pm
So Rees-Mogg and Dorries applied improper pressure into the investigation on Boris telling lies. Two contemptible human beings who make my skin crawl.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on June 29, 2023, 17:39:56 pm
So Rees-Mogg and Dorries applied improper pressure into the investigation on Boris telling lies. Two contemptible human beings who make my skin crawl.
Are we certain they're human beings?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on July 04, 2023, 21:17:12 pm
And I don't care about how much tax I pay to make it happen for you, for Manny, for Tabby or anyone else, Tories or not. Let us pay the tax to have a health service to be proud of. And when I say us, I am including the rich of this country and all those companies that make money from us, it is our money.

Health care is massively more expensive than most people appreciate- yes of course with a monster organisation like the NHS there is wastage and inefficiency but exactly as you say if we really want a health service we are proud of and moves us higher in the league table if longevity and overall health we all have to be prepared to pay for it - sadly most of us arenít


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on July 05, 2023, 21:40:42 pm
The reason why our health service is pretty god dam sh1t (which if you claim otherwise, are in complete denial!) - is because of our countries love affair with the NHS. Its a political football which no political party dares to tackle properly. Every election we hear in the run up how many more millions/billionaires/trillions each party will pledge...yet strangly, not a slight bit of actual detail as to how its going to be spent!

The whole gig needs to be brought into the 21st century. Id say 2023, but even 2001 would be a good dam start. Be gone with the clipboards and buy some computers/tablets for starters! Yeah, Im being serious! Its like a 1970's office walking around KGH or Northampton General...filing cabinets everywhere!  ;D

I struggle to even take it seriously anymore. The whole shows a joke. And not a funny one. Its embarrassing. 75th anniversary celebrations this week - Id be keeping quiet. Time to move sentiment aside and sort the bloody dump out once and for all.

Id do the following if I was head of one of the main political parties. Id lose the next election but I reckon that in time, Id be proved right.  Yeah Ill get a load of 'that wont work, we do that already blah blah blah' but Ill at least stick my neck out....

1. A proper 20 year 'business plan', out there in the public. Lets stop talking numbers and start talking actual plans...
2. Nurses/doctors etc - all work along the same shift patterns. At the minute a doctor is barely about outside 9-5 hours Mon-Fri and most of that time they are in meetings. With all of the other doctors. Leaving the poor Nurses to lead the front line. All of them though need to be paid much more money. MUCH MORE. Especially nurses. Recruitment is a nightmare as it is, it will get much much worse as it has done for years now. The one big way to attract more people into the professional long term is more money. Doctors need to take the hit with their shifts, but in return will be paid more as well.
3. Reduce red tape levels. It takes 10 meetings involving 10 different medics to decide whether someone needs an operation. If they reduced all this down, alot more operations might actually happen. Because they would be operating rather than chatting around looking at scan images, arguing what to do and then deciding that collectively they are not actually sure. And arrange another meeting. In the meantime the patient is dying. Yeah - there would possibly be more mistakes made BUT more life's would be ultimately saved. Much more. We are so behind on operations that we do not have the time and resource to dick around like we are. Its crazy!
4. 20 year plan would involve knocking down most of the sh1t holes that we call hospitals and build new ones that are fit for purpose and will have about half the running costs. Alot of this could be privately sponsored. Wards named after local companies, that kind of thing. If football clubs can generate millions on naming rights, why not hospitals? Im being serious!
5. Get rid of half of the pen pushers. Way way too many non-medical people work in the NHS. Massive overhaul needed.
6. Break it all down into much smaller pieces. At the minute each area is way to big to even get a grip of.

To finance it, Id propose that we need to take as many people out of the NHS 'customer base' as possible. Offer tax relief (much more) to go private. Offer companies the incentive to put their staff on private plans. More private gigs will set up quickly and compete. The strain will be taken away from the NHS.

Each and every working person has to pay x percentage towards it. Forget NI - what does that even mean? How is it spent? Gord only knows. Offer tiers. Full NHS service - say 15% of your salary. That goes down to 10% if you sign up to a private plan. That kind of thing. Everyone funds it, no one gets out of it. But those who are going private don't pay quite as much. Attach pension plans to Private health care as well.

In time, we will quickly become a leading light again. The NHS will become fit for purpose. And those who can afford it will be much more encouraged to take up private alternatives to relieve the stress on the NHS itself.  Much more nurses and doctors/medics etc will be attracted into health care and more top people from abroad will be encouraged to work here instead. Rather than the other way round...

Pension pots need to also cover care stuff as well. Its not all about having x amount coming into your bank account when you retire. If you end up in a carehome fulltime you want it to be decent. And not too financially burden your kids. Or take away all of their inheritance.

It all needs sorting. Unfortunately because its a complete political football, no sod dares to say how it is and bring it all up for debate. I appreciate my 'plan' will have many holes in but if a plan was too be debated I guess we'd collectively find a much better solution that the current one in place...namely plough more £ at it and hope for the best!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on July 06, 2023, 08:27:08 am
There's a common saying.

You get what you pay for.

Sometimes you get a bargain and sometimes you buy something that is not as good as you wish but you make do.

There are exceptions, politicians come to mind as a prime example but in the majority of cases, the more you pay, the better the product.

We all have budgets to live within and we all have priorities. I have house insurance. I've never made a claim in over 45 years but I still buy it because one day I might need it and when I do I'd like the best possible outcome. Same with my health and the NHS.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on July 06, 2023, 13:11:55 pm
The reason why our health service is pretty god dam sh1t (which if you claim otherwise, are in complete denial!) - is because of our countries love affair with the NHS. Its a political football which no political party dares to tackle properly. Every election we hear in the run up how many more millions/billionaires/trillions each party will pledge...yet strangly, not a slight bit of actual detail as to how its going to be spent!

The whole gig needs to be brought into the 21st century. Id say 2023, but even 2001 would be a good dam start. Be gone with the clipboards and buy some computers/tablets for starters! Yeah, Im being serious! Its like a 1970's office walking around KGH or Northampton General...filing cabinets everywhere!  ;D

I struggle to even take it seriously anymore. The whole shows a joke. And not a funny one. Its embarrassing. 75th anniversary celebrations this week - Id be keeping quiet. Time to move sentiment aside and sort the bloody dump out once and for all.

Id do the following if I was head of one of the main political parties. Id lose the next election but I reckon that in time, Id be proved right.  Yeah Ill get a load of 'that wont work, we do that already blah blah blah' but Ill at least stick my neck out....

1. A proper 20 year 'business plan', out there in the public. Lets stop talking numbers and start talking actual plans...
2. Nurses/doctors etc - all work along the same shift patterns. At the minute a doctor is barely about outside 9-5 hours Mon-Fri and most of that time they are in meetings. With all of the other doctors. Leaving the poor Nurses to lead the front line. All of them though need to be paid much more money. MUCH MORE. Especially nurses. Recruitment is a nightmare as it is, it will get much much worse as it has done for years now. The one big way to attract more people into the professional long term is more money. Doctors need to take the hit with their shifts, but in return will be paid more as well.
3. Reduce red tape levels. It takes 10 meetings involving 10 different medics to decide whether someone needs an operation. If they reduced all this down, alot more operations might actually happen. Because they would be operating rather than chatting around looking at scan images, arguing what to do and then deciding that collectively they are not actually sure. And arrange another meeting. In the meantime the patient is dying. Yeah - there would possibly be more mistakes made BUT more life's would be ultimately saved. Much more. We are so behind on operations that we do not have the time and resource to dick around like we are. Its crazy!
4. 20 year plan would involve knocking down most of the sh1t holes that we call hospitals and build new ones that are fit for purpose and will have about half the running costs. Alot of this could be privately sponsored. Wards named after local companies, that kind of thing. If football clubs can generate millions on naming rights, why not hospitals? Im being serious!
5. Get rid of half of the pen pushers. Way way too many non-medical people work in the NHS. Massive overhaul needed.
6. Break it all down into much smaller pieces. At the minute each area is way to big to even get a grip of.

To finance it, Id propose that we need to take as many people out of the NHS 'customer base' as possible. Offer tax relief (much more) to go private. Offer companies the incentive to put their staff on private plans. More private gigs will set up quickly and compete. The strain will be taken away from the NHS.

Each and every working person has to pay x percentage towards it. Forget NI - what does that even mean? How is it spent? Gord only knows. Offer tiers. Full NHS service - say 15% of your salary. That goes down to 10% if you sign up to a private plan. That kind of thing. Everyone funds it, no one gets out of it. But those who are going private don't pay quite as much. Attach pension plans to Private health care as well.

In time, we will quickly become a leading light again. The NHS will become fit for purpose. And those who can afford it will be much more encouraged to take up private alternatives to relieve the stress on the NHS itself.  Much more nurses and doctors/medics etc will be attracted into health care and more top people from abroad will be encouraged to work here instead. Rather than the other way round...

Pension pots need to also cover care stuff as well. Its not all about having x amount coming into your bank account when you retire. If you end up in a carehome fulltime you want it to be decent. And not too financially burden your kids. Or take away all of their inheritance.

It all needs sorting. Unfortunately because its a complete political football, no sod dares to say how it is and bring it all up for debate. I appreciate my 'plan' will have many holes in but if a plan was too be debated I guess we'd collectively find a much better solution that the current one in place...namely plough more £ at it and hope for the best!

I pay the tax on £167 a month for full family private cover. Iíve been unfortunate to need numerous operations, procedures and complimentary services such as chiropractors over the years. Tens of thousands of pounds worth. I appreciate how lucky I am to have access to this. I get seen in days as opposed to years (in some instances) via the NHS. e.g. start from getting a GP appointment to seeing an audiologist for hearing assessment and hardwareÖyouíll be lucky to complete that process in less than 12 months.
I even use private GPs now and can get an appointment in the next 10 minutes on a video call, complete with referral. I gave up on trying to get even a phone call with my GP during the pandemic, which doesnít appear to have improved. Then you are greeted by some snotty cow on reception, wanting to know your life story and treating you like you owe her a living.
I clearly still pay full NI and donít resent that.

I have factored in paying for private healthcare into retirement, I canít imagine being without it after 30 years.
I genuinely think Iíd be unemployed, in a wheel chair or even dead by now if Iíd had to rely on the NHS! I had my first back surgery with them and it took 4 years of agony.

Apart from the food and your own room, the quality of care isnít any different as most of these consultants service both.

That said (the old cliche) they do a wonderful job and many of the staff have work in crazy conditions, with unrealistic work loads.
Iím all for reform.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on July 06, 2023, 13:53:58 pm
Good post Drilling- and having worked in the NHS for more than a decade and then in an industry supporting it since I can confirm you are pretty much spot on.

With left of centre leanings I hesitate to say this but the necessary reforms need a new way of funding and a massive review on efficiency- and for the funding you have to bring in an element of private insurance monies - of course this would create a two tiered system but that already exists. The NHS is not free at the point of care and NI contribution do not cover the eye watering cost.

Here in Switzerland, yes of course both the Insurance companies and the medical care organisations make some profit (which is controlled by central government) but to give an example of cost - for good comprehension cover it costs a couple over £5000 per annum each, plus £1000 excess and after that 90% of the costs are covered - generally there are no hikes in price if you use the service excessively- so no tax on being ill. Yes you could take the profit element out - perhaps 10-20% but these figure represent the true cost of health care.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on July 06, 2023, 14:09:48 pm
There's more people live in London that live in Switzerland.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on July 06, 2023, 14:49:09 pm
I was going to sayÖwith respect Peter you canít cite any proposed model on what might be happening in Switzerland. You probably pay a tenner for a Toblerone, although Iím sure you havenít paid over 50% tax/NI on your tenner.  :P
If a chunk of that tax bill was going towards healthcare it fits a little better.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 06, 2023, 15:04:11 pm
The NHS is a prime example of lions led by donkeys. There are so many layers of superfluous middle management it's untrue. Everything's has to be seen to be fair to the nth degree which means a phenomenal amount of bureaucracy is required just to run things.

My wife works for the NHS and gets chased by someone on a monthly basis about her mandatory training not being up to date. Every month she has the same conversation, explaining that it isn't up to date because the training course she hasn't done is no longer available in their training portal.

The person who does the chasing isn't the person who maintains the training and apparently it isn't her job to chase the person who does, so next month she'll ring up again to ask why the course hasn't been done and the whole conversation will repeat. Christ knows how many people she chases for being out of date on this course!

It just needs modernising, and far less time spent trying not to upset people.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on July 06, 2023, 15:23:49 pm

My wife works for the NHS and gets chased by someone on a monthly basis about her mandatory training not being up to date. Every month she has the same conversation, explaining that it isn't up to date because the training course she hasn't done is no longer available in their training portal.

The person who does the chasing isn't the person who maintains the training and apparently it isn't her job to chase the person who does, so next month she'll ring up again to ask why the course hasn't been done and the whole conversation will repeat. Christ knows how many people she chases for being out of date on this course!


TBF sounds like most successful big corporates. I often think how much money Ďcouldí you make if inefficiencies like this were tackled. I guess shareholders are happy with a couple of billion.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on July 06, 2023, 19:04:01 pm
I was going to sayÖwith respect Peter you canít cite any proposed model on what might be happening in Switzerland. You probably pay a tenner for a Toblerone, although Iím sure you havenít paid over 50% tax/NI on your tenner.  :P
If a chunk of that tax bill was going towards healthcare it fits a little better.


Of course a valid point & you could add Switzerland is a rich country with higher cost of living and higher wages to match, although there is a popular myth about tax -  the rate is actually very close to that of the UK for us mere mortals  - my point however was simply to illustrate proper health care for a nation (be it 8 million or 60 million people) is more expensive than many people appreciate. UK National Insurance raises around £150 billion pa - that's about £2500 per person in the UK - Forget Switzerland but all across Europe and the West that's simply not enough to fund a top quality health service so are we prepared to pay significantly more?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on July 06, 2023, 19:12:25 pm
....oh and also good to have a discussion on a thread headed Politics where people actually read other opinions without necessarily agreeing, needing to be right all the time or childish point scoring - Thanks for that it's refreshing!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on July 06, 2023, 20:57:22 pm
Of course a valid point & you could add Switzerland is a rich country with higher cost of living and higher wages to match, although there is a popular myth about tax -  the rate is actually very close to that of the UK for us mere mortals  - my point however was simply to illustrate proper health care for a nation (be it 8 million or 60 million people) is more expensive than many people appreciate. UK National Insurance raises around £150 billion pa - that's about £2500 per person in the UK - Forget Switzerland but all across Europe and the West that's simply not enough to fund a top quality health service so are we prepared to pay significantly more?

Let us look at there neighbour. In the fatherland as a single person you can kiss goodbye to 42.75% of your salary tax and other stoppages. This is in a country that has no NHS, you have to have medical insurance. A country that has declared that they will spend a minimum of 36billion euro on immigrants this year. Take a good look, this is the UK in five years.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on July 07, 2023, 06:35:16 am
Let us look at there neighbour. In the fatherland as a single person you can kiss goodbye to 42.75% of your salary tax and other stoppages. This is in a country that has no NHS, you have to have medical insurance. A country that has declared that they will spend a minimum of 36billion euro on immigrants this year. Take a good look, this is the UK in five years.

Iím not entirely sure what this has to do with the cost of health - perhaps you could expand?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on July 07, 2023, 07:51:11 am
Of course a valid point & you could add Switzerland is a rich country with higher cost of living and higher wages to match, although there is a popular myth about tax -  the rate is actually very close to that of the UK for us mere mortals  - my point however was simply to illustrate proper health care for a nation (be it 8 million or 60 million people) is more expensive than many people appreciate. UK National Insurance raises around £150 billion pa - that's about £2500 per person in the UK - Forget Switzerland but all across Europe and the West that's simply not enough to fund a top quality health service so are we prepared to pay significantly more?

Just wondering how it can be so expensive compared to the world of UK private healthcare?
If I pay the tax on £167, we know the full cost is £167. My company will pay an umbrella cost but I know they make no direct contributions. So the full cost is £2k, plus whatever the umbrella cost is. According to my rewards package (which claims my package is £20k more than my
salary) the cost is £2,013 a year*
I access mine to a high level, others rarely use it, a bit like car insurance.
Iím assuming these private healthcare companies turn a profit most of the time?

You would imagine with scale (i.e. nationally) that everything would be far more efficient with synergies than running a private facility. Central appointment booking, far more efficient use of MRI machines, central accounts and various support functions dealing with millions instead of thousands. In any operation scale should make it cheaper, ask Amazon! I appreciate it would need initial investment on a large scale as Iím sure our current hospital infrastructure is lacking. Iím also sure thereíd be a high number of redundancies, re-allocation and recruitment!
Money should be invested in health, nutrition and prevention for many illnesses. More done to tackle the areas that cause the current strain. Thatís a vicious circle though as then we all live longer!

Itís a huge area, anything covering a nation is mind blowing but Iím sure there are minds out there to make it betterÖ.probably not on THE  ;D

*there are limits on claims in certain areas (most stuff is covered in full) so youíd have to factor those in.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on July 07, 2023, 09:34:41 am
Some interesting posts Dav's!

My thinking is that there should be a separate tax for care which is heading towards a completely underfunded disaster...

That pensions should compulsorily be associated with care packages as well...tax relief on them obviously.

I just cannot get my head around why this stuff isn't openly discussed by politicians. Well I can...because the whole thing is a 'political football' and that there is a general consensus that 'we' should all get everything free...end of. No discussions. Because that's apparently been the case for 75 years. But of course that isn't really the case is it?! Because peoples savings are decimated when they go into a care home...the average bod doesn't make any provisions and get's caught out. Family's try and keep their relatives out of care to avoid the astronomical costs. That takes them out of the work force. That's another issue!

Tory government says nothing. Labour/lib dems say nothing. Its all about total 'investment' in the NHS. End of discussion.

Its basically complete b0llox!!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 16, 2023, 19:24:00 pm
Donít worry Labour will ďborrow their way out of troubleĒ.
Stammer on LC this morning was a stuttering muttering buffoon, the guy is utterly clueless.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on July 16, 2023, 20:08:50 pm
Donít worry Labour will ďborrow their way out of troubleĒ.
Stammer on LC this morning was a stuttering muttering buffoon, the guy is utterly clueless.


Well, it worked for Boris!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on July 18, 2023, 11:50:54 am
Donít worry Labour will ďborrow their way out of troubleĒ.
Stammer on LC this morning was a stuttering muttering buffoon, the guy is utterly clueless.

The former Attorney General a stuttering buffoon? I bet he knows the difference between "Your" and "You're"! As for bojo......... Narcissists are like post modernism, shallow and without substance, obsessed with facades  :-*


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 18, 2023, 12:14:36 pm
The former Attorney General a stuttering buffoon? I bet he knows the difference between "Your" and "You're"! As for bojo......... Narcissists are like post modernism, shallow and without substance, obsessed with facades  :-*
At least Dav is true blue 😘


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on July 18, 2023, 16:27:47 pm
At least Dav is true blue 😘
Towns without a train service are a little odd!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on July 18, 2023, 18:19:15 pm
Towns without a train service are a little odd!
Dav has got a station.
It's in Long Buckby.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on July 18, 2023, 18:44:03 pm
Donít worry Labour will ďborrow their way out of troubleĒ.
Stammer on LC this morning was a stuttering muttering buffoon, the guy is utterly clueless.


Ö. have you looked lately how much has been borrowed in the last 13 years?

Ö.but I tend to agree about Starmer - hand the job over to Angela or Lisa to get us closer to our roots


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on July 18, 2023, 18:59:20 pm
Dav has got a station.
It's in Long Buckby.
Exactly!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on July 18, 2023, 19:13:16 pm
Exactly!
Dav went downhill when the Romans built the Watling St bypass.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 18, 2023, 19:20:40 pm
Dav went downhill when the Romans built the Watling St bypass.
Surely Dav is uphill?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on July 18, 2023, 23:00:27 pm
Surely Dav is uphill?
Only the Borough Mr T.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 19, 2023, 06:54:39 am
Only the Borough Mr T.
I would question your judgement on this matter. One gets a very nice view from the rear of the Royal Oak estate, or around Staverton, or atop Poets Way. My little yellow AP50 used to struggle to get up there. Indeed it is also a challenge to ascend to the summit of Arbury Hill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbury_Hill



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on July 19, 2023, 08:27:40 am
I would question your judgement on this matter. One gets a very nice view from the rear of the Royal Oak estate, or around Staverton, or atop Poets Way. My little yellow AP50 used to struggle to get up there. Indeed it is also a challenge to ascend to the summit of Arbury Hill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbury_Hill


Lol.
I thought the 'Watling St bypass'would be the focus point to any reply to my original comment, not the towns altitude.
You're correct, literally speaking Dav has more than one high place. Point conceded, though Staverton and Arbury Hill stretches it a bit.
My first job between 6th form terms was at Cummins on Royal Oak Estate. I got there (and school) on my blue AP50, much better than my mates purple FS1E.
Poets Way... I could tell you a funny story about a mate, and girl, a tent, an unexpected CB meet, and Poets Way. Straight out of a 70's sit com.
You a 70's/80's Dav lad then?




Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on July 19, 2023, 09:39:17 am
Lol.
I thought the 'Watling St bypass'would be the focus point to any reply to my original comment, not the towns altitude.
You're correct, literally speaking Dav has more than one high place. Point conceded, though Staverton and Arbury Hill stretches it a bit.
My first job between 6th form terms was at Cummins on Royal Oak Estate. I got there (and school) on my blue AP50, much better than my mates purple FS1E.
Poets Way... I could tell you a funny story about a mate, and girl, a tent, an unexpected CB meet, and Poets Way. Straight out of a 70's sit com.
You a 70's/80's Dav lad then?

Dusson lad, who used to ride his pushbike to Whilton Locks, and then progressed to mechanical propulsion.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on July 19, 2023, 09:53:59 am
Dusson lad, who used to ride his pushbike to Whilton Locks, and then progressed to mechanical propulsion.


The Bannaventa (nightclub). Who remembers that?  ;D
Don't recall ever seeing a yellow AP50, must have escaped me.
And the cinder track at Duston Timkin. Set a few records there, even though I say so myself.
How times have changed. Now all I seem to do is post on msg boards and struggle to get my leg over a bike.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on July 19, 2023, 17:41:52 pm
Alien territory for me, I did my nurse training with a lad from Dav who used to mutter about Badby woods and Borough hill occasionally. I've driven round it but have never ventured in


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on July 19, 2023, 17:47:26 pm
The Bannaventa (nightclub). Who remembers that?  ;D
Don't recall ever seeing a yellow AP50, must have escaped me.
And the cinder track at Duston Timkin. Set a few records there, even though I say so myself.
How times have changed. Now all I seem to do is post on msg boards and struggle to get my leg over a bike.

I went to work at Waitrose in Daventry when it opened when I was 18 (49 years ago). Used to go to a nightclub there then, I guess its the one you mention?
I was only there for maybe under a year but have fond memories. Only recently played Daventry golf course. That was certainly not flat.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on July 19, 2023, 21:50:45 pm
I went to work at Waitrose in Daventry when it opened when I was 18 (49 years ago). Used to go to a nightclub there then, I guess its the one you mention?
I was only there for maybe under a year but have fond memories. Only recently played Daventry golf course. That was certainly not flat.
The Bannaventa nightclub was in the building that now houses the carpet shop at Wilton.
Dav nightclubs... Can only remember the Beachcomber (pub/club) in Bowen Sq and the Abercorn Hotel (sort of) on Warwick St from those days.
Golf club...few times I played the course, I liked it, but it did have a Mickey Mouse reputation. 2nd hole, about 80 yards, 60 of it vertical? I was absolutely s*** at golf though.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tony Mahoney on July 20, 2023, 04:18:41 am
The Bannaventa nightclub was in the building that now houses the carpet shop at Wilton.
Dav nightclubs... Can only remember the Beachcomber (pub/club) in Bowen Sq.




I remember the Beachcomber, and its grass, the most tropical pub in the world....Sat there one Friday evening with my group of misfits, as usual no action at all so as we had only downed one can of castaway we decide to drive to Yarmouth (Northampton on Sea) We finally get there for around 11ish, straight into Demelzas to find Village People taking the stage. They must have known we were coming from Daventry.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 20, 2023, 12:07:50 pm
Ö. have you looked lately how much has been borrowed in the last 13 years?

Ö.but I tend to agree about Starmer - hand the job over to Angela or Lisa to get us closer to our roots
Youíve just lost all credibility with the last part of your sentence, Angela and Lisa 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Jesus.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: macca1959 on July 20, 2023, 12:21:37 pm
The Bannaventa nightclub was in the building that now houses the carpet shop at Wilton.
Dav nightclubs... Can only remember the Beachcomber (pub/club) in Bowen Sq and the Abercorn Hotel (sort of) on Warwick St from those days.
Golf club...few times I played the course, I liked it, but it did have a Mickey Mouse reputation. 2nd hole, about 80 yards, 60 of it vertical? I was absolutely s*** at golf though.


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There was also sir jaspers on the market square


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on July 20, 2023, 15:42:31 pm
Youíve just lost all credibility with the last part of your sentence, Angela and Lisa 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Jesus.

As opposed to Liz and Kwasi. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

Yes, that is the nation's mortgage payers who are crying and will still be crying for a long time yet.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on July 21, 2023, 11:35:31 am
Clock's ticking!  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 21, 2023, 16:42:22 pm
In the last 100 years the Toryís have won twice as many elections as Labour, why do you think that is?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on July 21, 2023, 17:52:42 pm
In the last 100 years the Toryís have won twice as many elections as Labour, why do you think that is?
People were easier to con by the TORIES perhaps  ;)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on July 21, 2023, 18:03:14 pm
In the last 100 years the Toryís have won twice as many elections as Labour, why do you think that is?

Because overall this country is conservative with a small c, but every so often we reject the idea of a government pandering to wealth, power and privilege, so Labour get a turn.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on July 21, 2023, 18:28:15 pm
In the last 100 years the Toryís have won twice as many elections as Labour, why do you think that is?
A large part of it is greed. It's their mindset that they'd rather be able afford heated wing mirrors on their latest BMW, than some granny they've never met get a new hip. Of course when THEY come to need a new hip...


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 21, 2023, 20:42:59 pm
A large part of it is greed. It's their mindset that they'd rather be able afford heated wing mirrors on their latest BMW, than some granny they've never met get a new hip. Of course when THEY come to need a new hip...
I donít understand your analogy, granny doesnít have to pay for her hip, tax payers do, itís the dreadful NHS that make her wait.
Why should successful affluent people pay for lazy bar-stewards to lay around, do nothing and claim benefits?
They can just fŻck off.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on July 21, 2023, 21:56:06 pm
I donít understand your analogy, granny doesnít have to pay for her hip, tax payers do, itís the dreadful NHS that make her wait.
Why should successful affluent people pay for lazy bar-stewards to lay around, do nothing and claim benefits?
They can just fŻck off.

There speaks the true voice of the Nasty Party!!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3566 on July 22, 2023, 08:18:05 am
I donít understand your analogy, granny doesnít have to pay for her hip, tax payers do, itís the dreadful NHS that make her wait.
Why should successful affluent people pay for lazy bar-stewards to lay around, do nothing and claim benefits?
They can just fŻck off.


Wow :o you are so angry all the time,
life must be treating you well.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 22, 2023, 10:24:40 am

Wow :o you are so angry all the time,
life must be treating you well.

Always better through a bottle of Buckie.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3566 on July 22, 2023, 12:23:01 pm
Always better through a bottle of Buckie.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on July 23, 2023, 16:16:04 pm
The former Attorney General a stuttering buffoon? I bet he knows the difference between "Your" and "You're"! As for bojo......... Narcissists are like post modernism, shallow and without substance, obsessed with facades  :-*

 ;D Proper dual character aren't you; some of your posts on the Hotel End are very readable 8) Yet that disappears into a maze of frenzy dislike on the Politics thread.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on July 23, 2023, 22:24:34 pm
The Bannaventa nightclub was in the building that now houses the carpet shop at Wilton.
Dav nightclubs... Can only remember the Beachcomber (pub/club) in Bowen Sq and the Abercorn Hotel (sort of) on Warwick St from those days.
Golf club...few times I played the course, I liked it, but it did have a Mickey Mouse reputation. 2nd hole, about 80 yards, 60 of it vertical? I was absolutely s*** at golf though.


Use to play Hockey with Ron Pilgrim who lived in Flore and broke away from the Saints and formed Daventry Hockey Club. That was in the 80's, Had a few games on an Astro Turf School Pitch, Ron was a school teacher and was still with us in 2010. Also Peter White a big friend of Rons and owned a cricket pitch in and around Daventry area, he was hard of hearing and unlucky with his wives.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on July 24, 2023, 05:58:43 am
I went to work at Waitrose in Daventry when it opened when I was 18 (49 years ago). Used to go to a nightclub there then, I guess its the one you mention?
I was only there for maybe under a year but have fond memories. Only recently played Daventry golf course. That was certainly not flat.

I've played Hellidon Lakes a few times, nice course but a couple of those holes are slightly strange especially the one that comes back past the club house.  ;)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on July 24, 2023, 08:00:44 am
Use to play Hockey with Ron Pilgrim who lived in Flore and broke away from the Saints and formed Daventry Hockey Club. That was in the 80's, Had a few games on an Astro Turf School Pitch, Ron was a school teacher and was still with us in 2010. Also Peter White a big friend of Rons and owned a cricket pitch in and around Daventry area, he was hard of hearing and unlucky with his wives.
Ron Pilgrim. Maths teacher and Borough House Master during my time at Dav Comp. Some years later one of his former pupils (school year above me) dropped dead during a hockey match that he was umpiring.
Pete White rings no bells. Why was he unlucky with his wives, did he keep losing them?





Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 24, 2023, 21:18:34 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66288464
The BBC caught out making up stories againÖÖ. Hope Farage Sueís the fcuk out of the, oh hang on thats tax payers money!!
Seriously you canít trust a word they say.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on July 25, 2023, 05:32:58 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66288464
The BBC caught out making up stories againÖÖ. Hope Farage Sueís the fcuk out of the, oh hang on thats tax payers money!!
Seriously you canít trust a word they say.

I just read that, it said "also" so they never lied, they just didn't give every reason. Like saying a man was jailed for robbing a bank but not saying his getaway car was also parked on a yellow line.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on July 25, 2023, 09:12:33 am
the sooner the BBC stop flirting around farage the better. There was no need for this to be headline news at all. This is a man who has stood for our parliament 7 times and failed in every single one. He is a stain on our nation and at this point, if you think he's 'on your side', you are ill-informed. If you think you aren't ignorant, then you are as digusting as he is. There is no other option.

(...FACT)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on July 25, 2023, 11:35:03 am
Attention seeking bottom feeder........... And those who support him as well!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 25, 2023, 12:00:37 pm
the sooner the BBC stop flirting around farage the better. There was no need for this to be headline news at all. This is a man who has stood for our parliament 7 times and failed in every single one. He is a stain on our nation and at this point, if you think he's 'on your side', you are ill-informed. If you think you aren't ignorant, then you are as digusting as he is. There is no other option.

(...FACT)

You've got to love someone that tells you all about yourself....  ;D



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on July 25, 2023, 12:15:24 pm
You've got to love someone that tells you all about yourself....  ;D

considering he's been relatively famous for over 20 years, if you haven't worked it out by now, someone has to.

There seems to be more around this fanbase than I would expect, probably a correlation around the idea of being angry at constantly having to watch lower league football for their whole lives.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on July 25, 2023, 13:17:47 pm
Attention seeking bottom feeder........... And those who support him as well!

Jeremy Corbyn - The Terrorist's friend.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 25, 2023, 13:33:21 pm
considering he's been relatively famous for over 20 years, if you haven't worked it out by now, someone has to.

There seems to be more around this fanbase than I would expect, probably a correlation around the idea of being angry at constantly having to watch lower league football for their whole lives.

I tend to steer clear of all of this stuff. You couldn't meet someone more off grid when it comes to politics than me. In fact, I'd struggle to name more than 3-4 MP's.

But I'm conscious of everyone's right to hold an opinion irrespective of its validity/accuracy.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on July 25, 2023, 14:28:01 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66288464
The BBC caught out making up stories againÖÖ. Hope Farage Sueís the fcuk out of the, oh hang on thats tax payers money!!
Seriously you canít trust a word they say.

Ö.of course two wrongs donít make a right but Farage himself a proven liar and responsible for a giant step backwards for our country & certainly doesnít deserve the amount of headlines he is getting on this issue (which I agree has been handled badly by both the BBC and Courts) - the BBC is certainly not perfect and if the argument is about a license fee than thatís a valid point of discussion IMO, but compared with GB news for honesty, quality and impartiality itís a quantum leap ahead.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on July 25, 2023, 15:27:53 pm
Jeremy Corbyn - The Terrorist's friend.
No time for him either  :-*


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 25, 2023, 18:37:10 pm
Ö.of course two wrongs donít make a right but Farage himself a proven liar and responsible for a giant step backwards for our country & certainly doesnít deserve the amount of headlines he is getting on this issue (which I agree has been handled badly by both the BBC and Courts) - the BBC is certainly not perfect and if the argument is about a license fee than thatís a valid point of discussion IMO, but compared with GB news for honesty, quality and impartiality itís a quantum leap ahead.


Itís the other side of the coin, agree about quality, but then again GB news isnít funded by a stealth tax.
Iíve seen Farage destroy many a lefty in a F2F debate, marvellous.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on July 25, 2023, 19:01:19 pm
Itís the other side of the coin, agree about quality, but then again GB news isnít funded by a stealth tax.
Iíve seen Farage destroy many a lefty in a F2F debate, marvellous.

Yes I agree on both points - itís definitely time the license aspect is reviewed - Iím personally not totally against a state supported broadcasting service and paradoxically I think because the BBC is so scared of the ďdefundingĒ lobby it does not challenge the current corrupt and incompetent incumbents.

No doubt Farage is both a decent public speaker with good debating skills but one shouldnít assume these attributes make the person good or honest.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on July 25, 2023, 20:49:27 pm
Itís the other side of the coin, agree about quality, but then again GB news isnít funded by a stealth tax.
Iíve seen Farage destroy many a lefty in a F2F debate, marvellous.

Hitler made good speeches.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 25, 2023, 21:25:38 pm
Hitler made good speeches.

I doubt he was known for his debating skills thoughÖ  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on July 25, 2023, 21:53:02 pm
I doubt he was known for his debating skills thoughÖ  ;D

I saw an Irish TV presenter interviewing Farage, ripped him a new one, shame our interviewers never do the same.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on July 26, 2023, 06:28:55 am
I saw an Irish TV presenter interviewing Farage, ripped him a new one, shame our interviewers never do the same.

Generally TV interviewers are poor - they are either unprepared with the facts or unwilling to challenge the lies and evasion tactics these characters use - even when they do challenge there is a scripted deflection and they simply move on.

I watched Michael Gove interviewed on housing on a number of channels yesterday - in political terms he was allowed to get away with a catalogue of misinformation.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on July 26, 2023, 06:30:54 am
Bring back Paxman!

https://youtu.be/Uwlsd8RAoqI (https://youtu.be/Uwlsd8RAoqI)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on July 27, 2023, 17:44:20 pm
Generally TV interviewers are poor - they are either unprepared with the facts or unwilling to challenge the lies and evasion tactics these characters use - even when they do challenge there is a scripted deflection and they simply move on.

I watched Michael Gove interviewed on housing on a number of channels yesterday - in political terms he was allowed to get away with a catalogue of misinformation.
Andrew Neil is an excellent interviewer, his destruction of that traitor Corbyn is legendary.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on July 27, 2023, 19:14:28 pm
Andrew Neil? Is that the one that alexander johnson bottled it from?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on July 28, 2023, 11:33:30 am
Andrew Neil? Is that the one that alexander johnson bottled it from?
That would be the one!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on July 28, 2023, 11:45:38 am
Ron Pilgrim. Maths teacher and Borough House Master during my time at Dav Comp. Some years later one of his former pupils (school year above me) dropped dead during a hockey match that he was umpiring.
Pete White rings no bells. Why was he unlucky with his wives, did he keep losing them?


Glad you knew Ron, good friend of mine! Peter White, bit of a recluse(coincidence!) had at least two wives - was property/land owner around Daventry and as mentioned owned a cricket pitch in Dav area. Used to travel down to Weymouth Hockey Festival with him for many Easters. He had at one time a Triumph Herald basically a two seater soft top. I did enjoy his company as well. Lost touch with both by 2008,



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on August 08, 2023, 14:06:21 pm
Cyber attack on Electoral revealed, hackers have been inside it since 2021!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on August 09, 2023, 16:56:53 pm
Cyber attack on Electoral revealed, hackers have been inside it since 2021!
Perhaps Labour might win in that case, just like the leftist scum cheated president Trump over the pond.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on August 09, 2023, 17:07:29 pm
Perhaps Labour might win in that case, just like the leftist scum cheated president Trump over the pond.
You're hysterical  :-*


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on August 09, 2023, 20:50:44 pm
Perhaps Labour might win in that case, just like the leftist scum cheated president Trump over the pond.
are you mentally ill?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on August 10, 2023, 15:04:42 pm
Perhaps Labour might win in that case, just like the leftist scum cheated president Trump over the pond.

Nice one Manny. 😀


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on August 12, 2023, 07:01:14 am
Perhaps Labour might win in that case, just like the leftist scum cheated president Trump over the pond.

Serious question Manny as you tell us you are a successful wheeling dealing business man - did you really do that badly under the Blair years?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on August 12, 2023, 07:07:49 am
Serious question Manny as you tell us you are a successful wheeling dealing business man - did you really do that badly under the Blair years?

Maybe it was when he started his confectionery and fizzy drinks resale business at school.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on August 13, 2023, 18:56:40 pm
Serious question Manny as you tell us you are a successful wheeling dealing business man - did you really do that badly under the Blair years?
As Iím sure you know Peter, Blair was as much a Tory as Sunak is, despised by the left.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on August 14, 2023, 07:19:36 am
As Iím sure you know Peter, Blair was as much a Tory as Sunak is, despised by the left.


Good answer 😀 -  but Iím still not sure why anyone should be s***ting their pants at the inevitability of a central left administration after the current corrupt and incompetent shower - unless of course one is a major international tax avoider or benefits immorally from the current chumocracy.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on August 14, 2023, 11:57:35 am
Good answer 😀 -  but Iím still not sure why anyone should be s***ting their pants at the inevitability of a central left administration after the current corrupt and incompetent shower - unless of course one is a major international tax avoider or benefits immorally from the current chumocracy.

This is true.

However. In order to win the battle of the middle greynd, they need to convince people that the likes of Abbott and McDonnell are not going to re-emerge if they get into office.

Many people who have a pop at anyone who voted for Boris last time round needs to consider that many of us did so to keep those two imbeciles out! Home Secretary and chancellor they would have been. Forget Corbyn!



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 14, 2023, 13:05:13 pm
This is true.

However. In order to win the battle of the middle greynd, they need to convince people that the likes of Abbott and McDonnell are not going to re-emerge if they get into office.

Many people who have a pop at anyone who voted for Boris last time round needs to consider that many of us did so to keep those two imbeciles out! Home Secretary and chancellor they would have been. Forget Corbyn!

f*** me Shane, the way this country has gone since YOUR choice got in and you have the nerve to complain about other possibilities. Just how could it have been any worse?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on August 14, 2023, 15:26:18 pm
This is true.

However. In order to win the battle of the middle greynd, they need to convince people that the likes of Abbott and McDonnell are not going to re-emerge if they get into office.

Many people who have a pop at anyone who voted for Boris last time round needs to consider that many of us did so to keep those two imbeciles out! Home Secretary and chancellor they would have been. Forget Corbyn!


And instead we have Cruella Braverman and Jeremy Hunt! Just ask most NHS staff what their thoughts are on him. We have a shambles of a government who are seeing out their time until they're replaced at the next general election. We have become a smaller, meaner, poorer country since 2010, something to be really proud of.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on August 23, 2023, 18:19:38 pm
And instead we have Cruella Braverman and Jeremy Hunt! Just ask most NHS staff what their thoughts are on him. We have a shambles of a government who are seeing out their time until they're replaced at the next general election. We have become a smaller, meaner, poorer country since 2010, something to be really proud of.
What the fcuk is the question if Angela Rayner and Lisa Nandy are the answer.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on August 23, 2023, 18:38:37 pm
What the fcuk is the question if Angela Rayner and Lisa Nandy are the answer.

Can you think of two more capable politicians than Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwartang? Apologies for setting the bar so low there.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on August 23, 2023, 19:02:04 pm
Can you think of two more capable politicians than Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwartang? Apologies for setting the bar so low there.

You and me Bingers  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 23, 2023, 19:02:11 pm
What the fcuk is the question if Angela Rayner and Lisa Nandy are the answer.

Who hasn't Boris Johnson shagged?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on August 23, 2023, 21:17:26 pm

You and me Bingers  ;D

Good cop/ bad cop.

The Cobblers Party. What policies could we agree on, I wonder.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on August 23, 2023, 21:23:05 pm
Who hasn't Boris Johnson shagged?
;D

Who wouldnít you want to appear in your edition of Readerís Wives?



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on August 24, 2023, 07:56:31 am
;D

Who wouldnít you want to appear in your edition of Readerís Wives?



Does ginge come under "specialist interest".

If only Tyro was still a regular here, he would know.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on August 24, 2023, 11:33:15 am
What the fcuk is the question if Angela Rayner and Lisa Nandy are the answer.
I note you chose not to comment on the "smaller, meaner, poorer country" part of my post  :-*


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on August 24, 2023, 17:58:47 pm
I note you chose not to comment on the "smaller, meaner, poorer country" part of my post  :-*
I would challenge all of those points, please back them up with evidence in relation to our peers, you have heard about the war in Europe and a pandemic called COVID? They have had an effect on all economies and have basically ended globalisation in a single blow.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on August 24, 2023, 20:50:18 pm
I would challenge all of those points, please back them up with evidence in relation to our peers, you have heard about the war in Europe and a pandemic called COVID? They have had an effect on all economies and have basically ended globalisation in a single blow.

Go ahead challenge away! Re COVID-19........ I worked in a care home throughout the pandemic, I didn't hear about it I lived it, I couldn't see my parents because I was looking after other people's parents, I watched people die of it! We put our health and wellbeing on the line to ensure people got the care they needed.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on September 04, 2023, 09:12:25 am
Exactly why the penny pinching parsimonious prat has to go.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-66701626


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on September 04, 2023, 11:49:51 am
Exactly why the penny pinching parsimonious prat has to go.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-66701626
And the rest of his useless government with him............. TIME FOR A CHANGE!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on September 05, 2023, 20:19:29 pm
And the rest of his useless government with him............. TIME FOR A CHANGE!
TIME for the RATS to take over the ship, NO WAY.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on September 05, 2023, 21:27:45 pm
TIME for the RATS to take over the ship, NO WAY.


Rats are very intelligent creatures, unlike politicians! ;)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on September 06, 2023, 11:52:01 am
Everyone knows it's time for a change! The only thing this government got right was the COVID-19 vaccination roll out, other than that, name one positive outcome from their 13 years in power!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on September 06, 2023, 12:41:40 pm
Everyone knows it's time for a change! The only thing this government got right was the COVID-19 vaccination roll out, other than that, name one positive outcome from their 13 years in power!
They've done quite well with the response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which is surprising in itself seeing how much money the Ruskies have invested in the Tory Party. Lord Lebedev of Siberia my ass!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on September 06, 2023, 17:20:25 pm
Bojo's Churchill moment


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on September 06, 2023, 19:38:36 pm
Everyone knows it's time for a change! The only thing this government got right was the COVID-19 vaccination roll out, other than that, name one positive outcome from their 13 years in power!

They got rid of Johnson.

That's about it really. Mind you they did take their time. And got him in to start with. Yes, fair point really. What have the Tories ever done for us?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on September 06, 2023, 20:28:49 pm
They've done quite well with the response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which is surprising in itself seeing how much money the Ruskies have invested in the Tory Party. Lord Lebedev of Siberia my ass!

You are having a laugh. Pouring billions into a lost cause so Zelensky and his chums can skim millions off the top, while still trading with Russia. Fighting a losing battle with only the poorest of the country. When it does come to an end agriculture in the Ukraine will be non-existent because all the farmers are dead.
Ukraine cannot win even with all of the munitions being sent them because as soon as any foreign army steps in to help them it will be WW3.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on September 06, 2023, 20:29:07 pm
Everyone knows it's time for a change! The only thing this government got right was the COVID-19 vaccination roll out, other than that, name one positive outcome from their 13 years in power!
No everyone doesnít, the silent majority, we are the people.
Just like when you lot thought Comrade Corbyn would win hilarious.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on September 06, 2023, 21:34:06 pm
Just popped in for a look at the Rebel Rousers and quickly came to the conclusion that you were just a bunch of schoolboys on cheap cider. or  heaven forbid a bunch of Nutters. What I can't quite make out is some of you come across on Cobblers Corner as decent fellows. What you all need is a few away games for a dose of reality. No names no pack drill!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 06, 2023, 21:47:43 pm
Just popped in for a look at the Rebel Rousers and quickly came to the conclusion that you were just a bunch of schoolboys on cheap cider. or  heaven forbid a bunch of Nutters. What I can't quite make out is some of you come across on Cobblers Corner as decent fellows. What you all need is a few away games for a dose of reality. No names no pack drill!
Such a simple minded chap.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on September 10, 2023, 18:42:42 pm
The BBC have produced a completely unbiased, factual, and revealing account of the past few years of the Tory government. Should be well received by The Mail et al.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001qgwt


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on September 10, 2023, 19:39:50 pm
Should be an entertaining watch! tory eating tory  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on September 10, 2023, 22:29:23 pm
The BBC have produced a completely unbiased, factual, and revealing account of the past few years of the Tory government. Should be well received by The Mail et al.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001qgwt

I bet they have, they will still be defunding, sooner the better, liberal scum.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on September 11, 2023, 15:30:10 pm
The BBC have produced a completely unbiased, factual, and revealing account of the past few years of the Tory government. Should be well received by The Mail et al.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001qgwt


The highlighted points don't belong in the same sentence.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on September 12, 2023, 06:43:03 am
The highlighted points don't belong in the same sentence.
I know! And since the Tories appointed the current BBC Director General, Tim Davie, the rightward bias is getting worse.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on September 14, 2023, 07:09:59 am
I know! And since the Tories appointed the current BBC Director General, Tim Davie, the rightward bias is getting worse.
😂😂😂😂
Right wing bias hahahahahah Iíd say they are left of the socialist worker.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on September 14, 2023, 11:54:37 am
Let's go fly a kite


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on September 15, 2023, 11:16:30 am
😂😂😂😂
Right wing bias hahahahahah Iíd say they are left of the socialist worker.
Of course when their flagship political show is chaired by that well known lefty, Fiona " Johnson only punched his wife once" Bruce.
If you saw State of Chaos, you will have noticed all the worst details came from the mouths of Tories.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on September 15, 2023, 11:23:18 am
Of course when their flagship political show is chaired by that well known lefty, Fiona " Johnson only punched his wife once" Bruce.
If you saw State of Chaos, you will have noticed all the worst details came from the mouths of Tories.
Lefties in disguise, reds under the bed etc etc


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on September 16, 2023, 17:39:45 pm
Lefties in disguise, reds under the bed etc etc
Like a moth to the flame.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on September 26, 2023, 21:22:55 pm
Fantastic speech today by Suella in Washington, brave,to the point and spot on.
#conservatives #we are the people


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on September 26, 2023, 22:32:43 pm
Fantastic speech today by Suella in Washington, brave,to the point and spot on.

If you are a fascist. Fortunately, the vast majority of our country are not, having fought hard to overcome it.

Don't worry, it won't be long before she is history along with those other extremists who have somehow gained a voice in the government of our country. It won't be long before we can regain our position as a well respected, world leader in what is right and wrong on the international stage, rather than a country seemingly happy to break international law.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3566 on September 27, 2023, 07:55:57 am
Fantastic speech today by Suella in Washington, brave,to the point and spot on.
#conservatives #we are the people

Persons who have an unfulfilled life's tend to pick on the weak and vulnerable to vent out their anger at there own failings.
They never look inwards to try and understand why they hate those they will never know.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 27, 2023, 08:24:56 am
The conservatives are firmly moving to an election footing. They always get the vote from the wealthy and their election success depends on how many (for want of a better way of putting it) poorer people they can persuade to vote for them. Last time they had Boris ("Good old Boris, he's a laugh, ain't he?")

This time around I think they are aiming at the sort of targets that poorer people often blame for their lot - immigrants taking their jobs and benefits and tree huggers telling them what to do.

I think a lot of what they are spouting will probably land, too.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 27, 2023, 08:49:20 am
Persons who have an unfulfilled life's tend to pick on the weak and vulnerable to vent out their anger at there own failings.
They never look inwards to try and understand why they hate those they will never know.


Manny or Suella?  :)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on September 27, 2023, 11:23:26 am
Dog whistles!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on September 27, 2023, 12:37:37 pm
Fantastic speech today by Suella in Washington, brave,to the point and spot on.
#conservatives #we are the people

Manny I know you post to get a rise but I canít let this go - this, from SB is simply disgusting dog whistling- yes of course we need to get a grip on uncontrolled immigration, not just protecting our borders but a serious global view on the causes of mass immigration which of course the bigots choose to remain ignorant about.

You do realise due to famine, drought, conflict and obscene inequalities the level of migration we are seeing globally is just the tip of the iceberg

You have either to be a bigot or some kind of stupid to not see this for what it is - a obvious deflection from 14 years of the worst government in my lifetime.

Unfortunately there are people who are not bright or educated enough to see beyond the (empty on a plan) rhetoric and this will become a major electoral issue - truly if people like her retain any power in the next term the UK is finished as a country once the envy of the world.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on September 27, 2023, 17:59:54 pm
The best thing is not to respond to the provocation, it's difficult but even the most obdurate trolls will eventually stop, or get themselves banned by escalating their provocative posts.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on September 27, 2023, 19:37:40 pm
The best thing is not to respond to the provocation, it's difficult but even the most obdurate trolls will eventually stop, or get themselves banned by escalating their provocative posts.
;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on September 27, 2023, 19:40:01 pm
Sums up the "fantastic" speech nicely.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/26/smirking-suella-trashes-70-years-of-human-rights-in-30-minutes


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on September 27, 2023, 19:45:23 pm
Sums up the "fantastic" speech nicely.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/26/smirking-suella-trashes-70-years-of-human-rights-in-30-minutes
Ahhh the Guardian, are they still begging people for money to keep this rag going?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1816523/Rishi-Sunak-poll-bounce-net-zero


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on September 27, 2023, 21:22:10 pm
what a sad little man you are.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Gustavo Palcrice on September 29, 2023, 21:42:06 pm
Suella is like a dog that insistently humps your leg. So far from joy but intent on pursuing a pointless exercise of frustration. A real distraction from the pit of despair that surrounds this twitching party at the point of oblivion. Thankfully, their day is done and they can sink into the pit of gloom they have nurtured for too long.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on September 30, 2023, 09:14:38 am
Suella is like a dog that insistently humps your leg. So far from joy but intent on pursuing a pointless exercise of frustration. A real distraction from the pit of despair that surrounds this twitching party at the point of oblivion. Thankfully, their day is done and they can sink into the pit of gloom they have nurtured for too long.
+ 1


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 02, 2023, 09:00:13 am
I wonder what click-bait policies will be thrown up this week to appease to Tory Conference faithful?

Let us know your "favourites". Manny - they can be your genuine favourites. I wonder if there will be any cross over between those.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on October 02, 2023, 11:41:05 am
"Taxes are too high" but hunt won't reduce them  ;)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 02, 2023, 12:10:05 pm
WTF is Liz (f*cking) Truss doing on my lunchtime telly?
Is she just who the Toryís use to work out what not to do (ďRight, Liz reckons we need to cut some taxes, letís definitely not do thatĒ), or just a reminder why we are going to get a labour government at the first opportunity?  ???


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 02, 2023, 17:19:18 pm
MannyÖcan you give us a skit on Beth Rigby please.
Iíll start you off with her stay at home house husband.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 04, 2023, 11:29:13 am
Got to feel for the Northerners. Rishi is just announcing 20 years worth of roadworks. All wooden dollars of course and that scale of money will never get spent.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 04, 2023, 12:03:11 pm
Got to feel for the Northerners. Rishi is just announcing 20 years worth of roadworks. All wooden dollars of course and that scale of money will never get spent.

It's like Turkey's voting for christmas.


This will pi$$ off the whole of the north and send them right back into labours arms. Starmer must have shot his load when he heard of this.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on October 04, 2023, 17:10:09 pm
It's like Turkey's voting for christmas.


This will pi$$ off the whole of the north and send them right back into labours arms. Starmer must have shot his load when he heard of this.
I agree with your assessment of Starmer, itís his one and only core skill.
Did you know the average wage for HS2 workers is over £70k, thereís more important things to spend taxpayers cash on and itís not paying for the work shy Labour voting b@stards.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on October 04, 2023, 17:23:04 pm
And goodnight from Manchester as we watch the SS Tory slowly drift down the canal of obscurity towards the Bay of oblivion  :-*


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on October 04, 2023, 17:30:49 pm
I agree with your assessment of Starmer, itís his one and only core skill.
Did you know the average wage for HS2 workers is over £70k, thereís more important things to spend taxpayers cash on and itís not paying for the work shy Labour voting b@stards.

Maybe that's so, - is there another fast lane bogus purchasing option for their mates? - but I find it interesting that when Sir Kier changes his mind its "flip flopping" when the unelected charlatan does it it's prudent behaviour.

Lets be honest the old rosette on a pig is pretty much your mantra - never the red one alway the one sporting blue.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 04, 2023, 17:45:41 pm
Itíd be good to knowÖ.how much has already been needlessly spent, purchasing, ground work, infrastructure etc, then how much is it going to cost to undue whatís been done? I like how Sunak almost sells like the facts have changed (a bit like the science?) and heís making some forward thinking genius decision. He almost got a standing ovation for listing off some motorways and A roads.
Imagine how much a ticket is going to cost on that train. £££


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 04, 2023, 18:04:51 pm

Imagine how much a ticket is going to cost on that train. £££
The one that currently goes from Euston to New Street, pretty much the centre of both cities.
Upon complettion, from Old Oak Common to Curzon Street, not the centre of both cities, so whatever time you gain by your choo choo being a bit quicker, you lose by having to get a taxi, or the tube to your original departure/destination point. What a fcking waste of time.
You can file it with Boris other plan, like the bridge from NI, to Scotland. Or Heathrows new runway. If its public money, it soars massively over budget.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on October 04, 2023, 18:53:53 pm
The one that currently goes from Euston to New Street, pretty much the centre of both cities.
Upon complettion, from Old Oak Common to Curzon Street, not the centre of both cities, so whatever time you gain by your choo choo being a bit quicker, you lose by having to get a taxi, or the tube to your original departure/destination point. What a fcking waste of time.
You can file it with Boris other plan, like the bridge from NI, to Scotland. Or Heathrows new runway. If its public money, it soars massively over budget.
Any large public project is like a money making scheme if your smart enough, change request anyone.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 04, 2023, 18:55:21 pm
I am going to give Mr Sunak some genuine credit for what I genuinely believe is a good idea - gradually banning smoking by continually lifting the age restriction.

I know a lot of Tories - my MP in particular, don't like the "nanny state", but I do believe in protecting your fellow citizens.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 04, 2023, 18:59:52 pm
Any large public project is like a money making scheme if your smart enough, change request anyone.

If you are prepared to rip off your country.

What is it that you keep saying about Socialists want to spend other people's money. How about those who want to take it and keep it as their own fortune, is that okay?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on October 04, 2023, 19:21:47 pm
If you are prepared to rip off your country.

What is it that you keep saying about Socialists want to spend other people's money. How about those who want to take it and keep it as their own fortune, is that okay?
No itís not Bingers and itís not just the Tories who are guilty either.
https://members.parliament.uk/member/4514/registeredinterests
A plot of land in Surrey how very socialist  :P


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on October 04, 2023, 19:36:18 pm
Maybe that's so, - is there another fast lane bogus purchasing option for their mates? - but I find it interesting that when Sir Kier changes his mind its "flip flopping" when the unelected charlatan does it it's prudent behaviour.

Lets be honest the old rosette on a pig is pretty much your mantra - never the red one alway the one sporting blue.
Letís be completely honest Peter, Starmer is clueless and doesnít have an idea in his body, mind you at least Angela can keep practicing her basic instinct moves in parliament.
The Labour Party has been a laughing stock for more years than I can remember hence their very brief tenure in history 😎


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 04, 2023, 19:56:20 pm
No itís not Bingers and itís not just the Tories who are guilty either.
https://members.parliament.uk/member/4514/registeredinterests
A plot of land in Surrey how very socialist  :P

Are you referring to the donkey field he inherited that he is leaving as a donkey field instead of flogging it off for building land. I'm sure that story was discredited years ago.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 04, 2023, 20:05:42 pm
I am going to give Mr Sunak some genuine credit for what I genuinely believe is a good idea - gradually banning smoking by continually lifting the age restriction.

I know a lot of Tories - my MP in particular, don't like the "nanny state", but I do believe in protecting your fellow citizens.

There is some comedy in this. Can picture someone wheeling their 100 year old great grandfather down to the offy to legally buy them 20 B&H for £500.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on October 04, 2023, 20:10:21 pm
https://youtu.be/yEZTZ3_cqHY?si=rZ2uQoGlxOliH5ly


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 05, 2023, 07:20:33 am
I've never really seen the logic behind HS2. Listening to some of the commentary about the North being left behind you'd think they were going to build a wall across the middle of the country rather than axing a railway line that would shave half an hour or so off a trip from London to Manchester.

I've always seen it as a capital infrastructure spend to stimulate the economy rather than a worthwhile deliverable. As long as the money is still spent then you'd think there are better places to spend it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 05, 2023, 11:34:50 am
The problem is, if you only built stuff like this when you can make money out of it, you'd never build anything. People ask why are our railways so poor compared with other countries like France and Japan. Well its because they spent their money because it was a worthwhile venture, not because they were trying to make a few quid. I doubt any of the man made wonders of this world would ever have been built if you had to argue whether they were worth the money. Pyramids, Great wall of China, countless churches and other places of worship, Taj Mahal, Petra, etc, etc. This country and its people are so backward, it's little wonder the whole place is a dump. They'd all rather have a fiver in their back pocket than ever contribute to something worthwhile that we could all be proud of and could be used for future generations to come.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 05, 2023, 12:19:50 pm
The problem is, if you only built stuff like this when you can make money out of it, you'd never build anything. People ask why are our railways so poor compared with other countries like France and Japan. Well its because they spent their money because it was a worthwhile venture, not because they were trying to make a few quid. I doubt any of the man made wonders of this world would ever have been built if you had to argue whether they were worth the money. Pyramids, Great wall of China, countless churches and other places of worship, Taj Mahal, Petra, etc, etc. This country and its people are so backward, it's little wonder the whole place is a dump. They'd all rather have a fiver in their back pocket than ever contribute to something worthwhile that we could all be proud of and could be used for future generations to come.

This is where Im at, I arrived at this point a few backs but with Corbyn as the alternative I stuck with Tories. You know that we are in agreement with reforming the voting system.

I absolutely agree with this. The mindset of people in this country is ME ME ME and all about having as much cash on the hip for themselves and not giving a sh1t about the bigger picture.

This country is an absolute sh1t hole. My Mum is currently in a hospital in Madeira after more shenanigans on another holiday, Id rather her stay there until fit to go home, and get flown/transported back to her house as opposed to getting moved to be treated in bloody Kettering GH/Similar. Hopefully that will be possible, Ill find out more tomorrow on that. I digress...

...but in summary. This country is an embarrassment. No political party offers what I want. No cross party consensus (not that would actually be stuck too!) on the NHS - WHICH ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE STOP BEING USED AS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL AND NEEDS MASSIVE MASSIVE REFORM. Just the same old bullsh1t.

It staggers me as too why people can even pin their badge on any of the political parties as things stand. All of them just look for cheap votes. Zero long term planning. Constant changing of policy. I mean why don't they (cons/lab) just admit that the reason why they have put electric car compliancy back to 2035 is too align with our main trading partners? Be fcking honest! Its got f-all to do with anything else other than £! Which is fine in many respects, but just bloody say so eh!

HS2 may not have a short term ROI (like the East Stand!) but like you say, would reap long term benefits. It will be very interesting to see how Starmer plays things in the coming days on the matter.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 05, 2023, 12:29:39 pm
I doubt the HS2 will ever pay back and the channel tunnel wonít for many years to come, so not commercial decisions.
They donít need any more encouragement to waste money, especially when they swap and change their mind to suit the politics. I guess £100b is quite a lot for a choo choo.

How about funding every driver to have access to an electric vehicle and spend a few more billion on the infrastructure. It could be like Johnny cab in Total Recall.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 05, 2023, 12:49:40 pm
I doubt the HS2 will ever pay back and the channel tunnel wonít for many years to come, so not commercial decisions.
They donít need any more encouragement to waste money, especially when they swap and change their mind to suit the politics. I guess £100b is quite a lot for a choo choo.

How about funding every driver to have access to an electric vehicle and spend a few more billion on the infrastructure. It could be like Johnny cab in Total Recall.


You're missing the point. It shouldn't be about profit, it should be about enriching the fabric of society and making our country one to be proud of.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 05, 2023, 13:06:27 pm
I doubt any of the man made wonders of this world would ever have been built if you had to argue whether they were worth the money. Pyramids, Great wall of China, countless churches and other places of worship, Taj Mahal, Petra, etc, etc. This country and its people are so backward, it's little wonder the whole place is a dump. They'd all rather have a fiver in their back pocket than ever contribute to something worthwhile that we could all be proud of and could be used for future generations to come.
Nobody will ever compare HS2 to the buildings that you have just mentioned. And nor will they gaze at it with awe. They did a superb job of rebuilding London Bridge station though, fantastic rebuild, but hardly a place of worship. Anyway, the solution to the north/south rail divide is perfectly simple. Just start the bloody thing in the north in the first place. That way it will be guaranteed to be finished.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 05, 2023, 13:24:23 pm
Nobody will ever compare HS2 to the buildings that you have just mentioned. And nor will they gaze at it with awe. They did a superb job of rebuilding London Bridge station though, fantastic rebuild, but hardly a place of worship. Anyway, the solution to the north/south rail divide is perfectly simple. Just start the bloody thing in the north in the first place. That way it will be guaranteed to be finished.

Again, wasn't the point I was making. Just think of the things you'd never do or have if it was all down to profit. We wouldn't have any parks for a start, the land would be far more profitable sold for building houses. Libraries? Nah, make people buy books if they want to read them? Why have firefighters? Be cheaper to let building burn down and rebuild them in the long run. The Tories (and Labour to a certain extent) want life to be about money, not quality, not services, not health, not transport, just money. Imagine how much you'd save they say, forgetting the FACT (thanks Manny) that despite all these cost cutting savings that have supposed to save money but have been made to our detriment, we're still paying more in fuucking taxes, which wouldn't be so bad if you could see any benefit.
You know, I'm glad I'm old, wont have to put up with this bullshit for many more years. I don't envy the young, they'll still be left with either Labour or the Tories 50 years from now. God help them.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 05, 2023, 13:53:47 pm
Intersting point there Marvo. You have downgraded from The Pyramids, Great Wall of China, and Taj Mahal, to parks and libraries. Hmmm...
I cant be arsed to argue with you though, you are just too tenacious for me.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 05, 2023, 14:22:02 pm
Intersting point there Marvo. You have downgraded from The Pyramids, Great Wall of China, and Taj Mahal, to parks and libraries. Hmmm...
I cant be arsed to argue with you though, you are just too tenacious for me.

Wasn't an argument, more an observation.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 05, 2023, 14:53:56 pm
You're missing the point. It shouldn't be about profit, it should be about enriching the fabric of society and making our country one to be proud of.

It was a counter to the comment that it shouldnít be about making money.
They donít do stuff to make money, quite the opposite. They have speed cameras for that.
They like to waste money and try to score points.
Iím agreeing, imagine what you could do with all the money they waste.
You could probably regenerate every town/city in the country.

My mantra is never trust someone with tattoos on their face, or a Tory.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 05, 2023, 15:32:04 pm
It shouldn't be about profit, it should be about enriching the fabric of society and making our country one to be proud of.

Exactly.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 05, 2023, 17:41:48 pm

My mantra is never trust someone with tattoos on their face, or a Tory.

A couple of years ago, there was a bloke in Purley Wetherspoons, who has totally inked his face and neck. He is white, but you have to look twice before you realise that he is not black, but a very dark shade of blue ink completely covering his head and neck. Not a bit of white skin is left exposed.
What is the point? Serves me right for drinking in a South London Spoons I suppose.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on October 07, 2023, 13:25:31 pm
A couple of years ago, there was a bloke in Purley Wetherspoons, who has totally inked his face and neck. He is white, but you have to look twice before you realise that he is not black, but a very dark shade of blue ink completely covering his head and neck. Not a bit of white skin is left exposed.
What is the point? Serves me right for drinking in a South London Spoons I suppose.
The point? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2333825/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on October 08, 2023, 08:59:50 am
Anybody see the Kier Stammer interview on BBC?
Absolute car crash, watch it, anyone who wants that to lead the country is an idiot.
Maths really isnít Labours strong point, 1.5m new homes in the next 5 years is 250k per year according to capt Hindsight.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 08, 2023, 09:23:00 am
Anybody see the Kier Stammer interview on BBC?
Absolute car crash, watch it, anyone who wants that to lead the country is an idiot.
Maths really isn’t Labours strong point, 1.5m new homes in the next 5 years is 250k per year according to capt Hindsight.
So could you tell me how Kwarsi and Liz's tax cutting idea would have added up? Because they couldn't

Feel free to ignore this, you usually do when somebody asks a question. Bit like Liz and Kwarsi.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 08, 2023, 09:35:55 am
Anybody see the Kier Stammer interview on BBC?
Absolute car crash, watch it, anyone who wants that to lead the country is an idiot.
Maths really isnít Labours strong point, 1.5m new homes in the next 5 years is 250k per year according to capt Hindsight.

and this is the point. The Tories are crap, Labour are not much better but that is the choice we face, every fucking election. Until that changes we are doomed, it's like being asked if you want the gas chamber or lethal injection.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 08, 2023, 09:56:08 am
and this is the point. The Tories are crap, Labour are not much better but that is the choice we face, every fucking election. Until that changes we are doomed, it's like being asked if you want the gas chamber or lethal injection.

Agreed, that's why I, like many, don't get involved in political discussions. (I don't discuss Religion either)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 08, 2023, 10:26:46 am
Agreed, that's why I, like many, don't get involved in political discussions. (I don't discuss Religion either)

So, Colonel, I have been meaning to ask you, what is your solution to coexistence between Israel and the Palestinians?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on October 08, 2023, 12:06:24 pm
And all those new hospitals bojo promised us, where are they?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 08, 2023, 13:11:45 pm
And all those new hospitals bojo promised us, where are they?
Same place as that bridge from NI to Scotland. The one that would have crossed the deepest point in UK waters, the point that has been used as a munitions dump since the end of WW1, (messy military bastards), the one that would have been closed for six months of the year due to high winds. It doesnt matter who they are, what party that they represent, they are all only interested in one thing. YOUR VOTE. and in order to obtain this, all sorts of unrealistic things will be proposed. Simple solution, just dont believe any of them.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 08, 2023, 13:17:52 pm
So, Colonel, I have been meaning to ask you, what is your solution to coexistence between Israel and the Palestinians?
This could get a whole lot worse, as the screaming sandal wearers appear to have captured an Isreali general. These sort of things rarely end well.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 08, 2023, 13:30:03 pm
Same place as that bridge from NI to Scotland. The one that would have crossed the deepest point in UK waters, the point that has been used as a munitions dump since the end of WW1, (messy military bastards), the one that would have been closed for six months of the year due to high winds. It doesnt matter who they are, what party that they represent, they are all only interested in one thing. YOUR VOTE. and in order to obtain this, all sorts of unrealistic things will be proposed. Simple solution, just dont believe any of them.

Exactly this. This is why I believe a party should be held to the promises they make in their manifesto, the ones that get them elected in the first place. If those pledges haven't been fulfilled by say the halfway point of their term in office then another election should be forced upon them.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Larry on October 08, 2023, 14:08:35 pm
Exactly this. This is why I believe a party should be held to the promises they make in their manifesto, the ones that get them elected in the first place. If those pledges haven't been fulfilled by say the halfway point of their term in office then another election should be forced upon them.

That's a good point. Each party should issue a list of key promises ahead of the election and the date they will be fulfilled. If this doesn't happen and there's no extraordinary reason why not the party should be forced to implement the item or face a general election.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 08, 2023, 14:42:57 pm
These sort of things rarely end well.

FACT


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on October 08, 2023, 14:50:17 pm
And all those new hospitals bojo promised us, where are they?

What's the point in building new hospitals with no people to staff them apart from administrators?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on October 08, 2023, 14:54:41 pm
What's the point in building new hospitals with no people to staff them apart from administrators?
Perhaps they were to be Teaching Hospitals?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on October 08, 2023, 14:57:34 pm
What's the point in building new hospitals with no people to staff them apart from administrators?
Theyíre mostly staffed by Filipinos and people from Kerala! And a sprinkling of Nepalis and Romanians as well.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on October 08, 2023, 15:00:22 pm
They’re mostly staffed by Filipinos and people from Kerala! And a sprinkling of Nepalis and Romanians as well.

And every single one of them with genuine qualifications..Not.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on October 08, 2023, 15:02:00 pm
This could get a whole lot worse, as the screaming sandal wearers appear to have captured an Isreali general. These sort of things rarely end well.

You'd be screaming if someone kept taking chunks of your garden even after being told by the UN to stop.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 08, 2023, 15:25:18 pm
You'd be screaming if someone kept taking chunks of your garden even after being told by the UN to stop.
Its important to note that both sides have their bad points, and also important to note that neither side gives a sh1te about the opinion of the UN. As far as I can see though, only one side has resorted to parading dead bodies through the streets. I am not taking sides on this, as I dont really like either of them. My only concern, is that this will escalate, with other nations taking the opportunity of conflict by proxy, and getting somebody else to do their dirty work for them. Iran now appears to be the Amazon of the military drone world. This wont end well.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on October 08, 2023, 15:29:43 pm
Its important to note that both sides have their bad points, and also important to note that neither side gives a sh1te about the opinion of the UN. As far as I can see though, only one side has resorted to parading dead bodies through the streets. I am not taking sides on this, as I dont really like either of them. My only concern, is that this will escalate, with other nations taking the opportunity of conflict by proxy, and getting somebody else to do their dirty work for them. Iran now appears to be the Amazon of the military drone world. This wont end well.

And this comes after seriously good talks and improving relations between some Arab countries e.g. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Israel. I have to wonder if this is connected as some make a lot of money out of continuing conflict.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 08, 2023, 16:04:13 pm
And this comes after seriously good talks and improving relations between some Arab countries e.g. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Israel. I have to wonder if this is connected as some make a lot of money out of continuing conflict.
If sleepy Joe unfreezes 7 billion dollars worth of funding to Iran what do you expect? We just need Iran to lay mines across the straight of Hormuz and oil and gas prices will go through the roof.
As an aside, the flip flop boys invaded one of the most secure nations in the world, with a bulldozer, motorbikes, pick up trucks, and hangliders. Theres some serious questions to be answered there, by Israels intelligence forces.
Conflict frequently revolves around territory, or religion. Combine the two, and you have a toxic cocktail. And if this episode ends in a weeks time, it will happen again in a couple of years. Because it always does.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on October 08, 2023, 16:10:16 pm
Iran is the common denominator! Expect senior Iranians to have car accidents any time soon! Nothing further to add to this current debate, too toxic!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on October 08, 2023, 18:26:00 pm
I think Israel will wipe the Gaza Strip off the face of the earth, having spent a lot of time in Israel, it saddens me to see this happening.
Iran is really making trouble all over the world, I think a world war is close.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 08, 2023, 20:31:00 pm
Anybody see the Kier Stammer interview on BBC?
Absolute car crash, watch it, anyone who wants that to lead the country is an idiot.
Maths really isnít Labours strong point, 1.5m new homes in the next 5 years is 250k per year according to capt Hindsight.

Oh Manny. Is this the same BBC that you think is ďleft leaningĒ?
You really need to listen better. He immediately corrected himself to say it was over 300K a year. But why let facts get in the way of bigotry eh?
At least he mentioned the housing crisis - Fishi Sunek spent an hour talking popularist tosh last week without mentioning housing or social care at all !! #outoftouch!
Get them out!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on October 08, 2023, 21:49:42 pm
Oh Manny. Is this the same BBC that you think is ďleft leaningĒ?
You really need to listen better. He immediately corrected himself to say it was over 300K a year. But why let facts get in the way of bigotry eh?
At least he mentioned the housing crisis - Fishi Sunek spent an hour talking popularist tosh last week without mentioning housing or social care at all !! #outoftouch!
Get them out!
Yeah itís not worrying that the wannabe prime minister canít do basic maths, perhaps he was schooled by Dianne Abbot, Labour are utterly clueless, they jus regurgitate sound bites and slŗg off the government.
Hope your well Jim.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on October 09, 2023, 06:53:44 am
I think Israel will wipe the Gaza Strip off the face of the earth, having spent a lot of time in Israel, it saddens me to see this happening.
Iran is really making trouble all over the world, I think a world war is close.

Agreed - I've also visited Israel many times and it saddens me too.

The State of Israels treatment of Palestinians is a human rights disgrace and anyone who chooses to comment but doesn't understand that should, I would humbly suggest, educate themselves from non bias sources - however paradoxically the attack by Hamas is both evil and will undoubtable make the situation worse - Israel remain significantly more powerful than them, and significant retribution will happen.

 Also the attack specifically on a music concert will have left many moderate young Israelis dead who were almost certainly sympathetic to the Palestine cause - how will the majority of their friends and families now think about their sympathies?

Violence begets violence and sadly the spiral will increase as views become more entrenched

As you also say there is no  question Iran leadership have supported this atrocity and their sinister presence on the global stage is definitely a threat to world peace.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 09, 2023, 12:29:12 pm
Agreed - I've also visited Israel many times and it saddens me too.

The State of Israels treatment of Palestinians is a human rights disgrace and anyone who chooses to comment but doesn't understand that should, I would humbly suggest, educate themselves from non bias sources - however paradoxically the attack by Hamas is both evil and will undoubtable make the situation worse - Israel remain significantly more powerful than them, and significant retribution will happen.

 Also the attack specifically on a music concert will have left many moderate young Israelis dead who were almost certainly sympathetic to the Palestine cause - how will the majority of their friends and families now think about their sympathies?

Violence begets violence and sadly the spiral will increase as views become more entrenched

As you also say there is no  question Iran leadership have supported this atrocity and their sinister presence on the global stage is definitely a threat to world peace.

I agree with you there. It's a very complex situation and there are no clear "good guys" or "bad guys". Hitting military or infrastructure targets is one thing, however innocent kids at a music festival are in no way a legitimate target though and striking at them will turn the rest of the western world against them.

Having said all that, it's hard to take the moral high ground when your response is to hit back at innocent civilians on the other side.

An all round s***ty situation, and one that will get worse before it gets better.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 09, 2023, 15:53:16 pm
I agree with you there. It's a very complex situation and there are no clear "good guys" or "bad guys". Hitting military or infrastructure targets is one thing, however innocent kids at a music festival are in no way a legitimate target though and striking at them will turn the rest of the western world against them.

Having said all that, it's hard to take the moral high ground when your response is to hit back at innocent civilians on the other side.

An all round s***ty situation, and one that will get worse before it gets better.
If you poke a dog with a stick, he dont poke you back, he fcking bites you.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 10, 2023, 10:38:21 am
I spoke to a mate who lives in Israel yesterday and it sounds particularly grim out there right now. His nephew and 10 of his colleagues have been called up as reservists and he says every day they hear of someone else they either know or know of that has either been killed, injured or taken hostage. Really not good.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on October 10, 2023, 11:56:24 am
I spoke to a mate who lives in Israel yesterday and it sounds particularly grim out there right now. His nephew and 10 of his colleagues have been called up as reservists and he says every day they hear of someone else they either know or know of that has either been killed, injured or taken hostage. Really not good.

Bloody religion eh ???


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 10, 2023, 12:23:50 pm
Bloody religion eh ???

Funny isn't, you never here of Atheists causing any problems. I do wish some aliens would arrive from some far off distant galaxy, show all this nonsense up for what it is.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 10, 2023, 12:42:13 pm
Funny isn't, you never hear of Atheists causing any problems.
All wholesome people like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Benito Mussolini, Jim Jones, and Jeffrey Dahma


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 10, 2023, 12:53:49 pm
All wholesome people like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Benito Mussolini, Jim Jones, and Jeffrey Dahma

Did any of those kill people in the name of some imaginary being?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 10, 2023, 12:57:37 pm
Funny isn't, you never here of Atheists causing any problems. I do wish some aliens would arrive from some far off distant galaxy, show all this nonsense up for what it is.
I agree. However having visited Tuscaloosa Alabama, about 30 years ago, I am convinced that they are already here.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 10, 2023, 13:14:16 pm
Did any of those kill people in the name of some imaginary being?
Does it matter if itís some imaginary being, a piece of land, the colour of someone elseís skin, or whatever. People have found reasons to kill each other throughout history.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 10, 2023, 13:54:19 pm
Everyone can kill, given a reason where they feel it is justified. I would imagine there is a many justifications as there is deaths,


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on October 10, 2023, 13:56:13 pm
Everyone can kill, given a reason where they feel it is justified. I would imagine there is a many justifications as there is deaths,

Bloody humans eh ???


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 10, 2023, 14:23:19 pm
Does it matter if itís some imaginary being, a piece of land, the colour of someone elseís skin, or whatever. People have found reasons to kill each other throughout history.

Yes but religion far exceeds all the other reasons, in fact it probably beats all the others put together.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 10, 2023, 14:41:43 pm
Funny isn't, you never here of Atheists causing any problems.


The Khmer Rouge were atheist nutters.
Isnít it always about religion, land, greed, power or nationalism, often led by a good old fashioned psychopath.

I always think we are fortunate to live somewhere thatís been a bit more civil to one another since 1690, although start to get nervous once I pass Keele services.

We were due to go to Tel Aviv in 6 weeks with my mother-in-law who was born there.
You have to feel for every innocent person impacted on both sides.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 10, 2023, 15:32:50 pm
The Khmer Rouge were atheist nutters.
Isnít it always about religion, land, greed, power or nationalism, often led by a good old fashioned psychopath.

I always think we are fortunate to live somewhere thatís been a bit more civil to one another since 1690, although start to get nervous once I pass Keele services.

We were due to go to Tel Aviv in 6 weeks with my mother-in-law who was born there.
You have to feel for every innocent person impacted on both sides.
You forgot to mention a failing government, trying to garner support from the populace. Not unlike the Gauchos in the South Atlantic.
And even if you can get permission to fly to that area, you may be overwhelmed by the amount of people going in the opposite direction. Take your mum in law for a nice lunch at the Whyte Melville instead.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 14, 2023, 11:39:41 am
I always think we are fortunate to live somewhere thatís been a bit more civil to one another since 1690, although start to get nervous once I pass Keele services.


That will be the feeling that you are approaching Lancashire. Try going up the M1 to get north, you will find a warm welcoming feeling once you reach Woodall services.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 14, 2023, 15:38:10 pm
That will be the feeling that you are approaching Lancashire. Try going up the M1 to get north, you will find a warm welcoming feeling once you reach Woodall services.
Hmm.. the last lot of Leeds plumbers and air con fitters on my last site, were deffo less than friendly. And light fingered. If something went missing, you knew whose tool chest to check first.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 14, 2023, 19:16:32 pm
Hmm.. the last lot of Leeds plumbers and air con fitters on my last site, were deffo less than friendly. And light fingered. If something went missing, you knew whose tool chest to check first.

Nuff said..

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254571/uk-crime-rate-by-region/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 14, 2023, 20:35:56 pm
Nuff said..

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254571/uk-crime-rate-by-region/
Yeah, and you offer a link to a site that requires 199 dollars per month. Instant access though.
The fukcers could not be trusted, and would happily trample through your rucksack, and just help themselves to anything. Especially if it was edible. Bye bye sarnies, and your pork pie.
I am not suggesting that this applies to all Yorkshire folk, just the ones from Leeds, that somehow manage to make a living as plumbers.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 14, 2023, 20:55:22 pm

I am not suggesting that this applies to all Yorkshire folk, just the ones from Leeds, that somehow manage to make a living as plumbers.

That's reassuring, I was wondering if Tabby likes/gets on with or even merely tolerates any nationality or section of society? Pretty much all references to others are derogatory and often with a nickname for them and an anocdote to suggest that it is typical of all of their "sort".

Go on Tabs, which is your favourite nationality (other than English / British) and which part of this country has your favourite people?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 15, 2023, 08:44:06 am
That's reassuring, I was wondering if Tabby likes/gets on with or even merely tolerates any nationality or section of society? Pretty much all references to others are derogatory and often with a nickname for them and an anocdote to suggest that it is typical of all of their "sort".

Go on Tabs, which is your favourite nationality (other than English / British) and which part of this country has your favourite people?
I have always enjoyed my trips to Germany, nice people, and Berlin is a fabulous city.
As for this country, one of my favourite away days was Huddersfield. Even the local rozzers were friendly. The course of my work has taken me all over the country, and I spent two years working in Leicester, and really enjoyed it.
I dont tar everybody with the same brush, just certain parts of them. Apart from Liverpool, cant stand the place.
Hope that helps.  :D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 15, 2023, 10:55:04 am
I have always enjoyed my trips to Germany, nice people, and Berlin is a fabulous city.
As for this country, one of my favourite away days was Huddersfield. Even the local rozzers were friendly. The course of my work has taken me all over the country, and I spent two years working in Leicester, and really enjoyed it.
I dont tar everybody with the same brush, just certain parts of them. Apart from Liverpool, cant stand the place.
Hope that helps.  :D

Excellent, I can go along with Germany, can't beat a bit of bratwurst and weiss bier.

Surprised at Huddersfield, but having spent some time working there, yes, fair enough. Beautiful part of the country and lovely stone buildings in the towns.

Lived in Leicester for a couple of years and also enjoyed it there.

Younger Boy Bingers lives in Liverpool at the moment, for uni and is having a great time, always nice to visit there, but he referees in a dodgy area and I reckon he gets paid more than round here as it is danger money. He has broken up fights between coaches and parents (this is junior football) and for the first ever red card he handed out, it was an 11 year old threatening to break the legs of the person who had done an over zealous challenge. The lad had completely lost it and looked like he meant it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 16, 2023, 12:16:16 pm
Peter Bone, another wrong Ďun.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 16, 2023, 15:57:15 pm
Yeah, and you offer a link to a site that requires 199 dollars per month. Instant access though.
The fukcers could not be trusted, and would happily trample through your rucksack, and just help themselves to anything. Especially if it was edible. Bye bye sarnies, and your pork pie.
I am not suggesting that this applies to all Yorkshire folk, just the ones from Leeds, that somehow manage to make a living as plumbers.

If thatís what youíre like with someone agreeing with you, Iíd hate not to disagree with you. Link works fine for me.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 16, 2023, 16:18:42 pm
If thatís what youíre like with someone agreeing with you, Iíd hate not to. Link works fine for me.
Sorry mate, we were at crossed purposes there. I am not too big not to apologise though, where it is relevant.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 16, 2023, 17:58:58 pm
Sorry mate, we were at crossed purposes there. I am not too big not to apologise though, where it is relevant.

 ;D ;D No problem at all. I just thought, heaven forbid, he thinks Iím northern  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 16, 2023, 18:15:30 pm
;D ;D No problem at all. I just thought, heaven forbid, he thinks Iím northern  ;D
When I was working down in that there Laandon, open hearing my Dusson accent me duck, they all thought that a massive insult would be to call me a northerner. I just laughed and said, more of a midlander actually.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 17, 2023, 07:50:31 am
That will be the feeling that you are approaching Lancashire. Try going up the M1 to get north, you will find a warm welcoming feeling once you reach Woodall services.

Itís stereotypical but Northern folk are on the whole friendlier. I always think you can tell by how many people say ďgood morningĒ when walking through some green space. In MK for example you hold your wallet and keep your head down. Northamptonshire is a bit friendlier and depends on the demographic. The only exception is Newcastle, which carries scars from the Cobblers trip there. Friendly my arse.
I think Iíll end my days in either the Peaks, Shropshire or Norfolk. My plan is to drive the country for a year until I find the place with the best VFM that I want to retire.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on October 17, 2023, 08:50:17 am
Itís stereotypical but Northern folk are on the whole friendlier. I always think you can tell by how many people say ďgood morningĒ when walking through some green space. In MK for example you hold your wallet and keep your head down. Northamptonshire is a bit friendlier and depends on the demographic. The only exception is Newcastle, which carries scars from the Cobblers trip there. Friendly my arse.
I think Iíll end my days in either the Peaks, Shropshire or Norfolk. My plan is to drive the country for a year until I find the place with the best VFM that I want to retire.
I think there's also an inverse proportionality between population density and friendliness irrespective of whereabouts in the UK you are, although thinking about it, I maybe confusing friendliness with noseyness.
Went to Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, PEI and Quebec recently. Couldn't believe how friendly the locals were given I was turning up with a couple of 1000 others all at the same time, and rampaging through and getting lost in their pretty little towns and countryside.
By contrast, even during quieter moments, I can't imagine there's too many people in Gaza atm sharing the time of day.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: itsme on October 17, 2023, 19:19:40 pm
Peter Bone probably the most unhelpful person I know I hope this will mean a by-election and I can get a decent local MP


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on October 18, 2023, 11:27:36 am
Reminds me of the last days of the last tory government, mired in sleaze and wrong doing, time for a change


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on October 19, 2023, 09:23:45 am
Reminds me of the last days of the last tory government, mired in sleaze and wrong doing, time for a change
The current crop of Labour is Conservative Light, just like Blair, for the lazy and work shy.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 19, 2023, 09:37:37 am

for the lazy and work shy.


Donít get me started Manny. There was some idiot on telly the other night. Her and her husband had 5 kids. She was complaining about her private rental increases and under an eviction order, waiting for a council place. She was saying how renters were being targeted and people with mortgages were so lucky. Iím not sure who she thought could have been paying the mortgage on her rental?!
I have a situation where I am paying a variable mortgage and private rental. I donít have 5 kids and seem to have navigated whatís going on. Itís just the total lack of personal accountability for the questionable decision making some people make and trying to blame everything on anything but themself.
I had to turn over before putting my boot through the TV.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on October 19, 2023, 10:05:15 am
Donít get me started Manny. There was some idiot on telly the other night. Her and her husband had 5 kids. She was complaining about her private rental increases and under an eviction order, waiting for a council place. She was saying how renters were being targeted and people with mortgages were so lucky. Iím not sure who she thought could have been paying the mortgage on her rental?!
I have a situation where I am paying a variable mortgage and private rental. I donít have 5 kids and seem to have navigated whatís going on. Itís just the total lack of personal accountability for the questionable decision making some people make and trying to blame everything on anything but themself.
I had to turn over before putting my boot through the TV.
Unfortunately mate the current crop of youngsters have become so entitled itís completely ridiculous, the antisemitic BBC ran an article where there was a group of mums with their babies, they were being interviewed about how the cost of living was impacting their lives, one said she could only afford to do one type of baby class a week and even may now have to get a job.
FFS the thought of having to workÖÖabsolute w@nkers.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on October 19, 2023, 16:28:32 pm
Can't disagree with you re the growing sense of entitlement - where I probably do disagree is a suggestion that being work shy is a left wing characteristic because I believe these individual occupy a broad section of the political spectrum - interesting side point, in my experience the vast proportion of immigrants to the UK have very good work ethics - considerably more so than some in the BBC program you mentioned.

Oh and as for the label on the BBC, you do realise the label semite actually refers to both Jews and Arabs?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on October 20, 2023, 07:03:16 am
Tick Tock! Time for change!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 20, 2023, 07:43:44 am
The issue is itís never really a change. Just another load of BS pushing a slightly different agenda. PMís questions gets more like reality TV each week and who can get the best jokes in.
Iíd rather have someone more popular as PM, I dunno, Idris Elba?!

Unless someone does something really radical to make a tangible change for the masses itís a bit pointless.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 20, 2023, 08:45:09 am

Iíd rather have someone more popular as PM, I dunno, Idris Elba?!

Unless someone does something really radical to make a tangible change for the masses itís a bit pointless.

So the change could be for an elected Head of State. Idris Elba for President.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on October 20, 2023, 10:45:16 am
So the change could be for an elected Head of State. Idris Elba for President.

Why would we want a President? It's just another bloody politician, there's too many of them already. >:(

Anyway, Idris Elba is too busy watching Sky box sets! ;)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 20, 2023, 13:44:41 pm
The issue is itís never really a change. Just another load of BS pushing a slightly different agenda. PMís questions gets more like reality TV each week and who can get the best jokes in.
Iíd rather have someone more popular as PM, I dunno, Idris Elba?!

Unless someone does something really radical to make a tangible change for the masses itís a bit pointless.

PR is the change the country needs (and deserves) but the two main parties will never let you have it because if they did, they'd be finished ruling over us.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on October 20, 2023, 13:56:17 pm
Itíd only end up as a coalition with a different mixture of crooks in the seats.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 20, 2023, 18:00:30 pm
Why would we want a President?

Why would we want a Monarch? Why should someone be so "important" that they are born into a Head of State role?

Who says the President needs to be a politician?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 20, 2023, 18:50:31 pm
Why would we want a Monarch? Why should someone be so "important" that they are born into a Head of State role?

Who says the President needs to be a politician?
You didnt like history very much at school, did you?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on October 20, 2023, 19:04:14 pm
Why would we want a Monarch? Why should someone be so "important" that they are born into a Head of State role?

Who says the President needs to be a politician?

You've got me wrong there I didn't say we need a monarch either, isn't the Prime Minister the effective head of state?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 20, 2023, 19:49:13 pm
You didnt like history very much at school, did you?

No, my dad was a history teacher, so I gave it up as soon as I could, which is a shame as it is really interesting.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 20, 2023, 19:52:06 pm
You've got me wrong there I didn't say we need a monarch either, isn't the Prime Minister the effective head of state?

Sorry, I know I quoted you but the message was for anyone really.

Yes, the Prime Minister is the effective Head of State, so why do we need a pretend one? A question to all, not EB in particular.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 21, 2023, 06:38:21 am
Itíd only end up as a coalition with a different mixture of crooks in the seats.

Wow. If that's your view then we might as well all give up and accept whatever's thrown at us.

If no political party has sole charge and needs the support of others to govern, they couldn't get away with half the things this Tory shower have. Just look at the feathering of their own nests when the country was on its knees with Covid. What other party would have let them get away with that?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on October 21, 2023, 08:27:23 am
Wow. If that's your view then we might as well all give up and accept whatever's thrown at us.

If no political party has sole charge and needs the support of others to govern, they couldn't get away with half the things this Tory shower have. Just look at the feathering of their own nests when the country was on its knees with Covid. What other party would have let them get away with that?

Absolutely - BorisĎs 80 seat majority was a disaster for democracy last time and I fear the same with Labour this time - parodoxically the predominantly right wing press have a full year to demonise KS which will limit the majority even to the point of a hung parliament


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 21, 2023, 08:31:28 am
Just look at the feathering of their own nests when the country was on its knees with Covid. What other party would have let them get away with that?

UKIP/Reform UK. Largely cut from the same cloth as the Tories. As long as their own blinkered needs were met, I think they would have let them get away with anything and even joined in themselves.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on October 21, 2023, 08:53:35 am
Absolutely - BorisĎs 80 seat majority was a disaster for democracy last time and I fear the same with Labour this time - parodoxically the predominantly right wing press have a full year to demonise KS which will limit the majority even to the point of a hung parliament
What's the difference between a hung parliament and a parliament achieved through PR?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3587 on October 21, 2023, 09:02:08 am
Proportional representation works in Northern Ireland


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on October 23, 2023, 20:40:51 pm
The monarchy has not been the same since Megan left, and Queen Camilla seems a poor replacement for the last one. Iíve always advocated a return to the absolute monarchy, but Iím starting to change my mind. However, is it me but democracy doesnít seem to be without its faults?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on October 24, 2023, 16:02:50 pm
The monarchy has not been the same since Megan left, and Queen Camilla seems a poor replacement for the last one. Iíve always advocated a return to the absolute monarchy, but Iím starting to change my mind. However, is it me but democracy doesnít seem to be without its faults?
I think all are preferable to a dictatorship.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 24, 2023, 21:24:09 pm
I think all are preferable to a dictatorship.

At least with a dictatorship we can all hate and blame the same person and not each other.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on October 24, 2023, 22:03:12 pm
At least with a dictatorship we can all hate and blame the same person and not each other.

As long as they don't find out.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on October 26, 2023, 22:40:37 pm
As long as they don't find out.

 ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on October 26, 2023, 22:55:06 pm
I suppose that under a dictator you have to accept every word he/she says as FACT ;) ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on October 27, 2023, 10:31:55 am
I suppose that under a dictator you have to accept every word he/she says as FACT ;) ;D

There we go Manny, when I get into power, I can be the Dictator and you can be my Minister of Information (Facts And Communicating Truths).


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 27, 2023, 17:58:37 pm
So Manny was wrong again. He must be setting a record.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/27/natwest-decision-to-close-nigel-farage-bank-accounts-was-lawful-says-report-coutts?CMP=share_btn_tw


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on October 28, 2023, 12:19:24 pm
So Manny was wrong again. He must be setting a record.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/27/natwest-decision-to-close-nigel-farage-bank-accounts-was-lawful-says-report-coutts?CMP=share_btn_tw
Remind you of anyone?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid022ESy83AefpyDnVRy5D19uYJrwgTeegnM2SyTWg3oozdQLwaHGnhevSD9j2Ab7gdil&id=100064584285783


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on October 28, 2023, 12:55:01 pm
Remind you of anyone?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid022ESy83AefpyDnVRy5D19uYJrwgTeegnM2SyTWg3oozdQLwaHGnhevSD9j2Ab7gdil&id=100064584285783

Of course most of todayís media is in someoneís pockets which results in varying degrees of bias but as the article asks of those who constantly criticise MSM, where do they actually get their factual information because an echo chamber posting on social media doesnít really mean something is a fact.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 28, 2023, 18:15:38 pm
One thing keeps haunting me through this whole debate. Who was guest 49?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 28, 2023, 18:43:27 pm
One thing keeps haunting me through this whole debate. Who was guest 49?
Cobblertone.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on October 31, 2023, 09:41:58 am
Cobblertone.
Don't worry, he's still on the forum.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 31, 2023, 09:52:12 am
Don't worry, he's still on the forum.
Somehow, I thought that he might be.  :D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MCHammer on November 02, 2023, 22:35:01 pm
Anyone seen the recent coverage of the Covid Inquiry?

Surely there can't be anyone left in this country that thinks the Tories did/are doing a good job and Boris was the right man for PM?  As for Cummings what an utter c*nt.





Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 02, 2023, 23:10:52 pm
Anyone seen the recent coverage of the Covid Inquiry?

Surely there can't be anyone left in this country that thinks the Tories did/are doing a good job and Boris was the right man for PM?  As for Cummings what an utter c*nt.


I can think of two off the top of my head.  Manwork04 & Everbrite.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on November 03, 2023, 00:24:12 am
Anyone seen the recent coverage of the Covid Inquiry?

Surely there can't be anyone left in this country that thinks the Tories did/are doing a good job and Boris was the right man for PM?  As for Cummings what an utter c*nt.





Thatís a bit unfair Ö BJ did get all the big calls right after all.
Or so the Daily Mail, Daily Express, Telegraph, Sun, Times, BBC, GBN etc kept telling us.

I blame Cummins for getting an immoral incompetent, lying moron elected as PM and then getting rid of all the normal right thinking Tories and replacing them with Brexit zealots- what did he expect other than what we got? A complete s*** show!

Good news though - this has hopefully ensured Johnson never holds any form of public office ever again and will have despatched the ultra right wing version of the Tory party to the dustbin of Uk politics and made them unelectable for a generation.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on November 03, 2023, 08:38:04 am

As for Cummings what an utter c*nt.


That's an excellent point, well made. You can see what an absolute horrible shell of a man he is. We all know one, Teflon.

I don't think there has anything been released remotely surprising. It was pretty obviously a sh*t show.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3643 on November 03, 2023, 12:34:04 pm
I worked in a care home through the pandemic, it was a sh1t shower from start to finish, 400 masks from the government for PPE, that was it. The only thing they got right was the vaccination programme. Even the "Care" badges we were rewarded with for our efforts had to be purchased by our owner! Fortunately we were closed to admissions at the start of the pandemic which saved a lot of our residents, the management were pressured by the NHS to take admissions from the Leicester hospitals, and subtle threats were made regarding contracts and funding for the post pandemic future, when we refused!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 03, 2023, 13:06:07 pm
I like Boris.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWznKLKXwAIBGBZ?format=png&name=small)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MCHammer on November 03, 2023, 17:32:34 pm
That's an excellent point, well made. You can see what an absolute horrible shell of a man he is. We all know one, Teflon.

I don't think there has anything been released remotely surprising. It was pretty obviously a sh*t show.

Teflons defintely the word.  Insane how he literally says he knew how incapable both he and Boris were for the jobs in question but did it anyway. 

He then went on to defend his accused mysoginy by pretty much stating it was ok because he treated everyone like sh1t not just women.

I agree it's mainly just confirming everything we already knew to an extent.  What it's hit home for me is the low calibre of people that get these important positions.  Matt Hancock Health Secretary!!!!

In what way are most of these people the least bit qualified to run a country?

A mate of mine, who for clarity isn't insane, voted for Boris because "He's the type you could have a laugh with down the pub".   ??? ???


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on November 05, 2023, 12:52:05 pm
I can think of two off the top of my head.  Manwork04 & Everbrite.

Noted


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on November 05, 2023, 13:08:33 pm
A mate of mine, who for clarity isn't insane, voted for Boris because "He's the type you could have a laugh with down the pub".   ??? ???

....sadly this is not by any means an isolated case - personality over substance, although in this case the mask on Boris has significantly slipped and the obvious lack of substance is now more closely matched with the reality he not a very nice person.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on November 05, 2023, 13:50:13 pm
Not so much a political party, but more of a criminal organisation.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12711069/Tory-Party-covered-serial-rapist-MP-official-claims.html


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 11, 2023, 12:07:32 pm
Not so much a political party, but more of a criminal organisation.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12711069/Tory-Party-covered-serial-rapist-MP-official-claims.html
Just like the Labour Party thenÖ.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/26/ex-labour-mp-claudia-webbe-loses-appeal-against-harassment-conviction
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1517721/andrew-marr-keir-starmer-claudia-webb-seven-labour-mps-jail-sentence-tory-sleaze-vnhttps://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1517721/andrew-marr-keir-starmer-claudia-webb-seven-labour-mps-jail-sentence-tory-sleaze-vn


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on November 13, 2023, 09:49:28 am
Just like the Labour Party thenÖ.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/26/ex-labour-mp-claudia-webbe-loses-appeal-against-harassment-conviction
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1517721/andrew-marr-keir-starmer-claudia-webb-seven-labour-mps-jail-sentence-tory-sleaze-vnhttps://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1517721/andrew-marr-keir-starmer-claudia-webb-seven-labour-mps-jail-sentence-tory-sleaze-vn
1. Minor functionary, minor offence, years ago.
2. 404 page not found?

Weak sauce.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on November 13, 2023, 11:40:59 am
Braverman out....Clerverly, Cameron in. Busy day for them.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 13, 2023, 11:52:00 am
Braverman out....Clerverly, Cameron in. Busy day for them.

Was Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic ever more appropriate?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on November 13, 2023, 11:58:21 am
Her and her journo mates tried to facilitate a racist riot on Nov 11th and then she gets sacked for saying that living on the UKís dangerous and freezing cold streets is a lifestyle choice!
As a proper patriot Iím appalled by that womenís integrity, morals and actions.
Good Fcukin riddance.

And now weíve got the uks most inept PM to help us avoid another world war!!
It beggars belief how far the once proud and sincere Tory party have fallen.

Any way since Saturdays great win, Iím taking a more positive stance to football, politics and life!

So here is the positive spin from me Ö

Suellaís great legacy and one that she should be applauded for is ..
You donít need to be a white male to be a nasty little racist!
Also, I look forward to her following Hancock and Farage into the Australian jungle!

PS Iím Really looking forward to Manny and Evers telling me that this is all the fault of the Left, Lefty lawyers, the BBC and all the wokeys! Donít let me down chaps.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on November 13, 2023, 12:12:15 pm

And now weíve got the uks most inept PM to help us avoid another world war!!


Now I am no Cameron fan, after all, it was his bright idea to have a referendum for Brexit, but I wouldn't call him the UKs most inept PM. Have you somehow managed to erase Johnson from your mind? I am assuming that you haven't counted Truss as she wasn't in the job long enough.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on November 13, 2023, 18:36:14 pm
Her and her journo mates tried to facilitate a racist riot on Nov 11th and then she gets sacked for saying that living on the UKís dangerous and freezing cold streets is a lifestyle choice!
As a proper patriot Iím appalled by that womenís integrity, morals and actions.
Good Fcukin riddance.

And now weíve got the uks most inept PM to help us avoid another world war!!
It beggars belief how far the once proud and sincere Tory party have fallen.

Any way since Saturdays great win, Iím taking a more positive stance to football, politics and life!

So here is the positive spin from me Ö

Suellaís great legacy and one that she should be applauded for is ..
You donít need to be a white male to be a nasty little racist!
Also, I look forward to her following Hancock and Farage into the Australian jungle!

PS Iím Really looking forward to Manny and Evers telling me that this is all the fault of the Left, Lefty lawyers, the BBC and all the wokeys! Donít let me down chaps.

Hmm.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on November 13, 2023, 19:03:41 pm
Now I am no Cameron fan, after all, it was his bright idea to have a referendum for Brexit, but I wouldn't call him the UKs most inept PM. Have you somehow managed to erase Johnson from your mind? I am assuming that you haven't counted Truss as she wasn't in the job long enough.

Actually, I have been thinking back a few years, particularly about the decision to have a referendum and the campaign he lead against Brexit and have come to the conclusion that you have a valid point. If Johnson and Truss had never been PMs, Cameron would be a strong contender.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on November 14, 2023, 16:10:57 pm
Actually, I have been thinking back a few years, particularly about the decision to have a referendum and the campaign he lead against Brexit and have come to the conclusion that you have a valid point. If Johnson and Truss had never been PMs, Cameron would be a strong contender.

Just so many to choose from. Weíve certainly been blessed with incompetence over the last 14 years!!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on November 14, 2023, 17:27:07 pm
Her and her journo mates tried to facilitate a racist riot on Nov 11th and then she gets sacked for saying that living on the UKís dangerous and freezing cold streets is a lifestyle choice!
As a proper patriot Iím appalled by that womenís integrity, morals and actions.
Good Fcukin riddance.

And now weíve got the uks most inept PM to help us avoid another world war!!
It beggars belief how far the once proud and sincere Tory party have fallen.

Any way since Saturdays great win, Iím taking a more positive stance to football, politics and life!

So here is the positive spin from me Ö

Suellaís great legacy and one that she should be applauded for is ..
You donít need to be a white male to be a nasty little racist!
Also, I look forward to her following Hancock and Farage into the Australian jungle!

PS Iím Really looking forward to Manny and Evers telling me that this is all the fault of the Left, Lefty lawyers, the BBC and all the wokeys! Donít let me down chaps.

Have no intention of following your wishes! What I like about some of you stellar debaters is the decent chaps you all appear to be on Cobblers Corner. On here you blurb so much hate for no good reason - any staunch Labourite would be aghast. Incidentally have voted for Wilson and Blair in the past; not Corbyn and am not totally impressed by Starmer. Inspite of Boris gormless errors in lockdown would consider voting for him again.  I dont dwell on the moralistic opportunistunism so eagely adopted by some of you Guys::)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 14, 2023, 18:47:57 pm
Have no intention of following your wishes! What I like about some of you stellar debaters is the decent chaps you all appear to be on Cobblers Corner. On here you blurb so much hate for no good reason - any staunch Labourite would be aghast. Incidentally have voted for Wilson and Blair in the past; not Corbyn and am not totally impressed by Starmer. Inspite of Boris gormless errors in lockdown would consider voting for him again.  I dont dwell on the moralistic opportunistunism so eagely adopted by some of you Guys::)

Wow. After all the insults I've thrown at you I should have realised you could do the job so much better yourself.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 14, 2023, 20:58:46 pm
Inspite of Boris gormless errors in lockdown would consider voting for him again.
You probably derserve him to be your prime minister


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 15, 2023, 20:17:15 pm
I wouldn't p!ss on his chips


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 15, 2023, 20:27:57 pm
I was having dinner at the weekend with some left leaning banker chums in Chelsea, we got round to discussing the state of global politics and just how bad they were, we then spent 5 or so mins with them telling me what a utter useless PM Boris was, I then asked them what the thought of Khan, we unanimously agreed he was the worst mayor London had ever had, they then said they would both vote for Boris if he ran again, interesting.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 15, 2023, 20:57:19 pm
Once upon a time I was having dinner at the weekend with some left leaning banker chums in Chelsea, we got round to discussing the state of global politics and just how bad they were, we then spent 5 or so mins with them telling me what a utter useless PM Boris was, I then asked them what the thought of Khan, we unanimously agreed he was the worst mayor London had ever had, they then said they would both vote for Boris if he ran again, interesting and we all lived happily ever after.

There you go, sorted it for you.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 15, 2023, 23:10:25 pm
There you go, sorted it for you.
If it makes you feel better.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 20, 2023, 14:37:54 pm
I see Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance is basically saying at the Covid hearing that Boris Johnson is as thick as two short planks and has the attention span of a goldfish. Did we really need an enquiry to discover that?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on November 20, 2023, 17:19:04 pm
You probably derserve him to be your prime minister

 Classic case of Deja Vu ::). He is perhaps what some of us deserve ::)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 20, 2023, 17:34:54 pm
Classic case of Deja Vu ::). He is perhaps what some of us deserve ::)

How old are you Everbrite? I see your hero had a plan for the elderly when Covid was rife.

(https://i.postimg.cc/T310ZS9Y/sacrifice.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 20, 2023, 18:48:07 pm
How old are you Everbrite? I see your hero had a plan for the elderly when Covid was rife.

(https://i.postimg.cc/T310ZS9Y/sacrifice.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Complete pack of lies 90% of people who died, died with COVID NOT because of it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 20, 2023, 18:52:37 pm
Complete pack of lies 90% of people who died, died with COVID NOT because of it.

That can't be true, you never said FACT.

Anyway, Boris dId want us to "take it on the chin", I heard him say it myself, FACT!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 20, 2023, 18:57:09 pm
I think politics has been over complicated. It basically comes down to 3 choices. Vote Tory if you want to give your money to the rich, vote labour if you want to give your money to the lazy, and vote Liberal if you want to abstain.

Oh I nearly forgot, vote Green if you want to give it to Greta Thunberg, simple.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 20, 2023, 19:15:29 pm
Personally I like Boris. At least he advertises the fact heís a clueless, incompetent twŗt, with the intellect of an Amoeba. All the others like to keep it under wraps.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 20, 2023, 19:40:19 pm
I was having dinner at the weekend with some left leaning banker chums in Chelsea, we got round to discussing the state of global politics and just how bad they were, we then spent 5 or so mins with them telling me what a utter useless PM Boris was, I then asked them what the thought of Khan, we unanimously agreed he was the worst mayor London had ever had, they then said they would both vote for Boris if he ran again, interesting.
Weíve all done it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 20, 2023, 20:12:17 pm
If I recall correctly, if a person died within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test, it was recorded as a cause of death along with other co-morbidities, the powers that be chose to record COVID-19 deaths that way!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 20, 2023, 20:37:32 pm
Complete pack of lies 90% of people who died, died with COVID NOT because of it.
Can you cite your source for that statistic?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on November 20, 2023, 21:17:23 pm
https://www.reuters.comarticle/idUSKBN25U2I4/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 21, 2023, 10:19:47 am
https://www.reuters.comarticle/idUSKBN25U2I4/
Broken link


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on November 21, 2023, 11:06:07 am
Broken link
Bugger. Try this
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-deaths-99-percent-cdc-data-828332813362
or this
https://fullfact.org/health/flu-disappeared-lie-covid-deaths/

Right wingers will believe any lie that the Daily Mail tells them.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 21, 2023, 11:51:20 am
Bugger. Try this
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-deaths-99-percent-cdc-data-828332813362
or this
https://fullfact.org/health/flu-disappeared-lie-covid-deaths/

Right wingers will believe any lie that the Daily Mail tells them.
Cheers, the links worked, people believe what suits their political mindset sadly 👍


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 23, 2023, 08:20:05 am
Massive congratulations to the Dutch this morning who have seen the light and elected the Freedom Party.
🇳🇱


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on November 23, 2023, 10:12:11 am
Massive congratulations to the Dutch this morning who have seen the light and elected the Freedom Party.
🇳🇱

Morning Manny.
Looking abroad again - You must be feeling more and more lonely / exposed in the Uk at the moment.
At least youíll be able to move to Holland next year when the externe right wing UK racists finally disappear up their own backsides. You can start up the Dutch division of the Cobblers Supporters club?
Oh no, hang on a minute we voted to lose our freedom of movement and increase net migration to record levels!
Looks like your stuck with us Manny.
Im happy to keep you around Manny.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 23, 2023, 11:50:04 am
Winning the most seats and then forming a government are two different things, just ask the PP and their fascist friends! No Pasaran!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 23, 2023, 12:40:54 pm
Morning Manny.
Looking abroad again - You must be feeling more and more lonely / exposed in the Uk at the moment.
At least youíll be able to move to Holland next year when the externe right wing UK racists finally disappear up their own backsides. You can start up the Dutch division of the Cobblers Supporters club?
Oh no, hang on a minute we voted to lose our freedom of movement and increase net migration to record levels!
Looks like your stuck with us Manny.
Im happy to keep you around Manny.

Afternoon Jim, hope you are well, I have a choice, Sweden, Italy and now Holland, you see the right is rising all over Europe a result of Mutti inviting over a million unchecked immigrants into Europe who will never integrate and cause endless rapes and murders.
The AfD are also now the second biggest party, the world is a mess caused by woke liberals.
Anyway have a nice afternoon and we must get together for a beer sometime 👍🏻


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 23, 2023, 19:36:09 pm
Afternoon Jim, hope you are well, I have a choice, Sweden, Italy and now Holland, you see the right is rising all over Europe a result of Mutti inviting over a million unchecked immigrants into Europe who will never integrate and cause endless rapes and murders.
The AfD are also now the second biggest party, the world is a mess caused by woke liberals.
Anyway have a nice afternoon and we must get together for a beer sometime 👍🏻
Always welcome down here mate. 🇦🇺


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on November 23, 2023, 22:25:15 pm
Afternoon Jim, hope you are well, I have a choice, Sweden, Italy and now Holland, you see the right is rising all over Europe a result of Mutti inviting over a million unchecked immigrants into Europe who will never integrate and cause endless rapes and murders.
The AfD are also now the second biggest party, the world is a mess caused by woke liberals.
Anyway have a nice afternoon and we must get together for a beer sometime 👍🏻

Iím sweet thanks Manny. Not looking forward to Xmas though. Mrs Jim was the Queen of Christmas and it just ainít the same without her.
 
I think youíre missing my point buddy - you DONT have a choice of anywhere other than here. You did a few years ago but youíre now youíre stuck on this s***ty little island with all us wokies!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on November 24, 2023, 05:27:20 am
I’m sweet thanks Manny. Not looking forward to Xmas though. Mrs Jim was the Queen of Christmas and it just ain’t the same without her.
 
I think you’re missing my point buddy - you DONT have a choice of anywhere other than here. You did a few years ago but you’re now you’re stuck on this s***ty little island with all us wokies!

Untrue, just another remoaner lie.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on November 24, 2023, 07:17:35 am
Untrue, just another remoaner lie.

Fabulous news Manny. You DO have the ability to easily move to NL or spend as much time there as you want and flit between Rotterdam and Rothersthorpe. Any problems, just mention that SinCobb says itís all ok.
Better news this week though, it looks like Ireland maybe an easier and closer destination of choice.

BTW SinCobb, Iím coming around to your way of thinking as Iíve discovered a significant Brexit benefit - it positions the UK that bit further away from all these European neo-nazi parties that Manny so rightly points out are springing up everywhere..


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on November 24, 2023, 07:58:18 am
Untrue, just another remoaner lie.

These emails are the perfect example of the polarised distortion of facts and division Brexit has caused

Of course you can choose to leave the UK and live in another country but believe me (living in Switzerland on the French border) to get residency is much more complicated/difficult than it was before Brexit.

I do have a question though Sing - why do you (presumably supporting Brexit) use the tired old term remoaner ? - the Brexit campaign won and we are clearly all massively benefiting from all the promised advantages so why the language of a sore winner.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on November 24, 2023, 08:07:09 am
Massive congratulations to the Dutch this morning who have seen the light and elected the Freedom Party.
🇳🇱

You may think that but just take a look at history- any regime extreme left or right eventually ends in tears - itís not the regime I worry about itís the complete polarisation of opinion thatís damaging for society- and I give you Donald Trump and the Chinese leadership as perfect examples.
I agree you canít alway sit in the fence and sometimes tough decisions have to made but the lack of cross party initiatives in both the US and the UK illustrates just how far a fair, proper and representative society has fallen.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 24, 2023, 08:20:28 am
You may think that but just take a look at history- any regime extreme left or right eventually ends in tears - itís not the regime I worry about itís the complete polarisation of opinion thatís damaging for society- and I give you Donald Trump and the Chinese leadership as perfect examples.
I agree you canít alway sit in the fence and sometimes tough decisions have to made but the lack of cross party initiatives in both the US and the UK illustrates just how far a fair, proper and representative society has fallen.
Wow I completely agree, our world in now so polarised itís become binary, Israel or Palestine, Ukraine or Russia China or Taiwan,  Leave or Remain. Right or Left.
I blame the lack of freedom of speech caused by the militant left and woke, people are now scared to speak their mind, and itís caused a polarisation of views.
The worst one of all is Islam or Christianity, history has shown us these two integrate like oil and water, this mass influx into Western Europe will end in tears.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 24, 2023, 10:08:02 am
Wow I completely agree, our world in now so polarised itís become binary, Israel or Palestine, Ukraine or Russia China or Taiwan,  Leave or Remain. Right or Left.
I blame the lack of freedom of speech caused by the militant left and woke, people are now scared to speak their mind, and itís caused a polarisation of views.
The worst one of all is Islam or Christianity, history has shown us these two integrate like oil and water, this mass influx into Western Europe will end in tears.


You've got to be joking? People are now expressing views that would never have been tolerated pre Brexit. Sure, there has always been an undercurrent of racism but at least it was kept well out of sight. And the sheer hate in general life, media, even the mainstream papers (now TV too) is something to behold! Christ, this country has become a cesspit. When you look back at history, the rise of Hitler in Germany carries so many similarities with what is going on in the UK now. Blaming immigrants for all our woes, nationalism, intolerance, it's awful, I never thought I'd see this day again. I dread to think what will happen when the Tories lose the next election. It'll be Trump all over again, maybe worse. Whatever happened to this once wonderful, happy country? Those who fought in the world war to stop fascism (like my father) must be spinning in their graves.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on November 24, 2023, 10:33:18 am
Wow I completely agree, our world in now so polarised itís become binary, Israel or Palestine, Ukraine or Russia China or Taiwan,  Leave or Remain. Right or Left.
I blame the lack of freedom of speech caused by the militant left and woke, people are now scared to speak their mind, and itís caused a polarisation of views.
The worst one of all is Islam or Christianity, history has shown us these two integrate like oil and water, this mass influx into Western Europe will end in tears.


You were doing so well Ö. until the second paragraph which actually personifies the division and hate thatís so rife in politics and everyday life.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 24, 2023, 11:31:58 am
I think most people are more concerned about paying their energy bills and the stealth tax inflicted by the current chancellor than Brexit, wokeism or lack of free speech.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on November 24, 2023, 17:32:30 pm
These emails are the perfect example of the polarised distortion of facts and division Brexit has caused

Of course you can choose to leave the UK and live in another country but believe me (living in Switzerland on the French border) to get residency is much more complicated/difficult than it was before Brexit.

I do have a question though Sing - why do you (presumably supporting Brexit) use the tired old term remoaner ? - the Brexit campaign won and we are clearly all massively benefiting from all the promised advantages so why the language of a sore winner.

Wrong. I was against Brexit, but the government did need to grow some balls and start standing up for the farmers and fishermen of the UK.

I had absolutely no problem with my residency in Germany. I filled in a form, gave them a passport photo and in two weeks had my Ausweis.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 24, 2023, 19:59:39 pm
Wow I completely agree, our world in now so polarised itís become binary, Israel or Palestine, Ukraine or Russia China or Taiwan,  Leave or Remain. Right or Left.
I blame the lack of freedom of speech caused by the militant left and woke, people are now scared to speak their mind, and itís caused a polarisation of views.
The worst one of all is Islam or Christianity, history has shown us these two integrate like oil and water, this mass influx into Western Europe will end in tears.

Melbourne or Far Cotton?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 26, 2023, 20:43:29 pm
Melbourne or Far Cotton?
Exactly and probably the most polarising.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 27, 2023, 04:32:54 am
Exactly and probably the most polarising.
Not for me.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on November 27, 2023, 07:46:55 am
Wrong. In which case I apologise but I guess the term remoaner suggested otherwise I was against Brexit, but the government did need to grow some balls and start standing up for the farmers and fishermen of the UK. Absolutely however paradoxically the alternate trade deals have had the opposite effect

I had absolutely no problem with my residency in Germany. I filled in a form, gave them a passport photo and in two weeks had my Ausweis. Good for you but was it a renewal or brand new residency- I was only speaking about Switzerland and France where for a new residency there are lots of hoops to jump through - including language tests - renewal of an existing permit is easy


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on November 27, 2023, 10:04:41 am


It was a new residency, but how ever if you can demonstrate that you have means of supporting yourself there is no problems.
Having said that, a South African friend of mine moved here with work and his wife had to reach B2 level in German before they would give her residency.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on November 27, 2023, 10:17:34 am
It was a new residency, but how ever if you can demonstrate that you have means of supporting yourself there is no problems.
Having said that, a South African friend of mine moved here with work and his wife had to reach B2 level in German before they would give her residency.

Yes, true here as well but initially that means you need a sponsor (normally your employer - so loose your job and loose your right to stay ) After 5 or 10 years you can get the next level of permit and stay indefinitely providing you can prove your means - definite a degree of discrimination against some passport holders compared to others.

B2 is quite tough to achieve - only a short step from being fluent so well done to your friends


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 28, 2023, 11:36:29 am
My late father was born on the island of Ireland, that made him, and me, an Irish citizen. Consequently I now have dual citizenship and free movement throughout the EU! And on another note it was wonderful to see that opportunist from Luton being removed from the Antisemitism march and arrested as well!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on November 28, 2023, 14:46:05 pm
My late father was born on the island of Ireland, that made him, and me, an Irish citizen. Consequently I now have dual citizenship and free movement throughout the EU! And on another note it was wonderful to see that opportunist from Luton being removed from the Antisemitism march and arrested as well!

Said individual is apparently a journalist! - interesting since he and his cohorts were persecuting Jews not that far back in history - he lost all credibility with me (if he ever had any) when he appeared on a news program with a copy of the quran interleaved with post-it notes marking where the book mentioned acts of violence - clearly the brain dead twat (proporting to be a Christian from a Christian country) had never read the bible - particularly the old testament, as he would have probably run out of post-it notes on said subject.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 28, 2023, 17:09:55 pm
A truly unpleasant person!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on November 28, 2023, 18:42:12 pm
Did you see his face when he'd been pepper sprayed at the weekend?  Brilliant!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 28, 2023, 20:02:22 pm
Did you see his face when he'd been pepper sprayed at the weekend?  Brilliant!
I did  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on November 29, 2023, 11:32:05 am
Anyone following the jungle?
I'd rather have a pint with Farage over Hancock, which is something I'd never think I'd say. I think the public are not voting for him to do all the trials as he seems to take them in his stride.
That Nella on the other hand, a prime example of the flaky, whiny yoof, that's our future!

Hancock getting called a c*nt on the SAS programme remains one of the TV highlights of the year.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 29, 2023, 11:36:25 am
I'd like to claim I'm one of the 3 million that have stopped watching since Farage was included but to be honest, I've never watched the crap anyway. That and any of the reality shows for that matter. They are a sure sign how low society has sunk.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 29, 2023, 11:37:58 am
I wouldnít p1ss in his pint! A cazzo of the highest order! Shame he canít be fed to some Aussie wildlife


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shoemender on November 29, 2023, 12:27:09 pm
Anyone following the jungle?
I'd rather have a pint with Farage over Hancock, which is something I'd never think I'd say. I think the public are not voting for him to do all the trials as he seems to take them in his stride.
That Nella on the other hand, a prime example of the flaky, whiny yoof, that's our future!

Hancock getting called a c*nt on the SAS programme remains one of the TV highlights of the year.

Naah. "I'm a celebrity I don't even know who most of you are"


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on November 29, 2023, 15:36:04 pm
If his rumoured fee is to be believed you've got to admire his nerve.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 30, 2023, 10:36:49 am
Anyone following the jungle?
I'd rather have a pint with Farage over Hancock, which is something I'd never think I'd say. I think the public are not voting for him to do all the trials as he seems to take them in his stride.
That Nella on the other hand, a prime example of the flaky, whiny yoof, that's our future!

Hancock getting called a c*nt on the SAS programme remains one of the TV highlights of the year.
Say what you want about Farage, he stands up for what he believes and will go toe to toe with anyone, and FWIW I donít agree with everything he says either.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on November 30, 2023, 10:52:32 am
Say what you want about Farage, he stands up for what he believes and will go toe to toe with anyone, and FWIW I donít agree with everything he says either.

When these politicians cash in, I try to look at them as human beings.
Hancock (currently on 5 Live) was cringeworthy on there, Farage comes across as a decent fella.
I wonder how Hitler would have got on drinking blended goat balls?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 30, 2023, 11:17:37 am
Hancock is a cŰck of the highest order. FACT.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on November 30, 2023, 11:36:54 am
Hancock is a cŰck of the highest order. FACT.

It's a day to agree with Manny.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 30, 2023, 12:24:06 pm
It's a day to agree with Manny.
Afternoon Bingers.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on November 30, 2023, 14:16:32 pm
It's a day to agree with Manny.

"It's beginning to feel a lot like Christmas" ;D ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on November 30, 2023, 15:09:37 pm
Say what you want about Farage, he stands up for what he believes and will go toe to toe with anyone, and FWIW I donít agree with everything he says either.

although politically we are usually 180 degree apart, I agree - Farage is both a good orator and a conviction politician- I disagree with most of what he stands for but give him credit for those attributes. Hancock on the other hand is a self serving wanker and represents everything wrong with politics today.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 30, 2023, 15:56:40 pm
The trouble is, Farage is guilty to my mind of playing a major part in destroying this country via Brexit so whatever fate befalls him, and I hope its horrific, I'll shed no tears.

Hancock is a Tory MP. There's no more need be said.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on November 30, 2023, 16:14:54 pm

Hancock is a Tory MP. There's no more need be said.


I've listened to him all day.
Fair play to the guy grilling him but he is proper Teflon.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 30, 2023, 17:33:49 pm
The trouble is, Farage is guilty to my mind of playing a major part in destroying this country via Brexit so whatever fate befalls him, and I hope its horrific, I'll shed no tears.

Hancock is a Tory MP. There's no more need be said.
Destroyed the country with Brexit 😂 go on then Marvo youíll have to put a bit more meat on the bones of that comment, we are currently growing faster than most EU countries.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-23/imf-upgrades-uk-growth-but-warns-rates-may-need-to-rise-further


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on November 30, 2023, 18:09:41 pm
GDP growth in recent years
UK GDP in Q3 2023 was 1.8% higher compared to the pre-pandemic level of Q4 2019. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 3.0% higher, with GDP in France up by 1.8% and in Germany up by 0.3%. The other G7 economies had higher growth than the UK over this period, including the US where GDP was 7.4% higher.

House of Commons Library


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 30, 2023, 18:38:20 pm
Destroyed the country with Brexit 😂 go on then Marvo youíll have to put a bit more meat on the bones of that comment, we are currently growing faster than most EU countries.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-23/imf-upgrades-uk-growth-but-warns-rates-may-need-to-rise-further

Let me try and explain it to you. You hire two window cleaners on a trial basis to clean a 40 storey tower block. On the first day window cleaner 1 cleans 10 storys, window cleaner 2 cleans 1. The next day window cleaner one cleans 11 storeys, window cleaner 2 cleans 2. So, window cleaner no 1 has increased his productivity by 10% but window cleaner 1 has increased his by 100%. I guess you'd emply window cleaner no 2?

For someone else who is supposed to be a business man, you don't appear to have much business sense.

Anyway, I wasn't actually talking about business, I was talking about what an unhappy place the UK is now and how our standards have sunk so much.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on November 30, 2023, 18:47:19 pm
Let me try and explain it to you. You hire two window cleaners on a trial basis to clean a 40 storey tower block. On the first day window cleaner 1 cleans 10 storys, window cleaner 2 cleans 1. The next day window cleaner one cleans 11 storeys, window cleaner 2 cleans 2. So, window cleaner no 1 has increased his productivity by 10% but window cleaner 1 has increased his by 100%. I guess you'd emply window cleaner no 2?

For someone else who is supposed to be a business man, you don't appear to have much business sense.

Anyway, I wasn't actually talking about business, I was talking about what an unhappy place the UK is now and how our standards have sunk so much.
You mean how this government is clamping down on the work shy and the the militant unions who would like to cripple this country with strikes.
Inflation is down at 4% and we have safeguarded the poorest, itís a fact that where their is lefty devolved governments (Wales and Scotland) their NHS waiting times are significantly worse than Englands not to mention the drugs problems.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 30, 2023, 21:01:21 pm
You mean how this government is clamping down on the work shy and the the militant unions who would like to cripple this country with strikes.
Inflation is down at 4% and we have safeguarded the poorest, itís a fact that where their is lefty devolved governments (Wales and Scotland) their NHS waiting times are significantly worse than Englands not to mention the drugs problems.

There are none so blind than those that can not see. Thank god we've less than 12 months of these crooks to go.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 01, 2023, 08:39:17 am
Never trust a bloke with twatood eyebrows, and a book to sell..


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on December 02, 2023, 10:16:28 am
You mean how this government is clamping down on the work shy

IĎve got no problem with clamping down on the genuine workshy but to put it in perspective what they fiddle from the system pales into insignificance compared with what the thieving mates of the government you support stole in bogus PPE companies that had no substance and delivered nothing - completely shameless so will you be condemning them?

Ö..but ignoring all the measurable parameters which will be manipulated depending on what you believe the reality is we have become a more unhappy, more divided and generally poorer country during 13 years of Conservative administration.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on December 06, 2023, 17:14:21 pm
IĎve got no problem with clamping down on the genuine workshy but to put it in perspective what they fiddle from the system pales into insignificance compared with what the thieving mates of the government you support stole in bogus PPE companies that had no substance and delivered nothing - completely shameless so will you be condemning them?

Ö..but ignoring all the measurable parameters which will be manipulated depending on what you believe the reality is we have become a more unhappy, more divided and generally poorer country during 13 years of Conservative administration.

Due to your extreme left wing views that is about par for course. How do you get on living in Switzerland with SVP a very right wing  party
dominating the Politcal scene! Perhaps a bit awkward for you?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 06, 2023, 18:24:38 pm
Due to your extreme left wing views that is about par for course. How do you get on living in Switzerland with SVP a very right wing  party
dominating the Politcal scene! Perhaps a bit awkward for you?

How strange that to you, having a decent moral compass equates to Pete being an extremist.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on December 06, 2023, 20:36:27 pm
Another minister resigns, Jenrick this time. The lovely fluffy one that had murals painted over, cabron  >:D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on December 06, 2023, 21:05:34 pm
How strange that to you, having a decent moral compass equates to Pete being an extremist.


Well, that could be taken at least two ways! I find it difficult to comment on other peoples moral compas as from past experience am well aware that mine are not examplary by any yardstick. I doubted Jeremy Corbyn credentials for PM but never descended into abusive comment on him. The strange thing is I live in a country which is unlikely to develop a meaningful Right Wing Party such as SVP in Switzerland where apparently Peter Frost lives. He might as well live here.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on December 07, 2023, 09:56:25 am
Due to your extreme left wing views that is about par for course. How do you get on living in Switzerland with SVP a very right wing  party
dominating the Politcal scene! Perhaps a bit awkward for you?

I'd love you to give an example of my extreme left wing views - just the one would suffice, and I'd struggle to find a single person who would agree that the post you refer to represents an extreme left wing view - in fact supporting clamping down on the genuine workshy whilst holding thieves to account would probably drift to the right.

The Swiss People's Party did show increased success in the last elections (but hardly dominating the political scene) and is no more than the normal perpetual cycle of left/right shift and if you knew anything about the Swiss system that devolves power from Federal to Cantonal, to Commune level you probably wouldn't make such a silly comment.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on December 07, 2023, 11:24:56 am
Evers calls everyone a LeftyÖtypical Tory trait.

Rishi is clinging on. Theyíll be putting him in a boat soon.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on December 07, 2023, 11:37:24 am
Evers calls everyone a LeftyÖtypical Tory trait.

Rishi is clinging on. Theyíll be putting him in a boat soon.
Bring back my old buddy BorisÖÖ.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on December 07, 2023, 11:40:57 am
They need to Foxtrot Oscar ASAP!.........  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on December 07, 2023, 11:41:16 am
Bring back my old buddy BorisÖÖ.

He's busy today.  :P


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on December 08, 2023, 17:05:48 pm
Bring back my old buddy BorisÖÖ.

There are not many I would have him in preference over, but Mrs Braverman is one.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on December 13, 2023, 12:30:30 pm
There are not many I would have him in preference over, but Mrs Braverman is one.
Isnít she wonderful, says what the majority of people in this country want, no Woke BS.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: therealpattcobb on December 13, 2023, 14:34:03 pm
Isnít she wonderful, says what the majority of people in this country want, no Woke BS.
Thats the trouble with those who are radicalized. They believe that everybody thinks the same as them.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 13, 2023, 15:52:42 pm
Isnít she wonderful, says what the majority of people in this country want, no Woke BS.

What fucking majority? You do talk bollocks!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MCHammer on December 13, 2023, 16:04:36 pm
Isnít she wonderful, says what the majority of people in this country want, no Woke BS.

What is it, exactly, that the majority of people in this country want?

After the next General Election, when the Tories lose, there will be plenty of Conservatives wishing they had some woke BS rather than the far right stuff Suella and her cronies will bring to the party.

Step out of your brainwashed comfort zone and come and see what the real world is like.   


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on December 13, 2023, 17:00:04 pm
Buckfast innit  >:D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on December 14, 2023, 11:50:44 am
What fucking majority? You do talk bollocks!
Yeah your right itís was only 4m more people, 😂
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1084308/uk-general-election-results/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on December 14, 2023, 11:53:47 am
Local tory bloke resigns for health reasons, he was involved in the recent court case over political donations to the former MP for Northampton south.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 14, 2023, 13:12:37 pm
Yeah your right itís was only 4m more people, 😂
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1084308/uk-general-election-results/

You weren't on about the election, you were on about Suella Bravaman and the Rwanda policy.

Cant wait for next year, lets see what the majority vote for then.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on December 14, 2023, 16:13:25 pm
You weren't on about the election, you were on about Suella Bravaman and the Rwanda policy.

Cant wait for next year, lets see what the majority vote for then.
Let me simplify it for you, The wonderful Suella is a Tory, therefore she is supported by the majority of conservatives, who at the last election recorded 4m more votes than the dreadful Labour Party. FACT.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 14, 2023, 18:09:09 pm
Let me simplify it for you, The wonderful Suella is a Tory, therefore she is supported by the majority of conservatives, who at the last election recorded 4m more votes than the dreadful Labour Party. FACT.

and let me simplify it for you. The Tories got 13 million votes. There are over 68 million people in this country. So not even one person in five voted Tories.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on December 14, 2023, 18:20:30 pm
and let me simplify it for you. The Tories got 13 million votes. There are over 68 million people in this country. So not even one person in five voted Tories.
Brilliant, now the militant left want children to vote as well, sorry Marvo, there are 47m who are eligible to vote in the UK!  8)
Your not covering yourself in glory in this exchange 🤭


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on December 14, 2023, 18:44:15 pm
and let me simplify it for you. The Tories got 13 million votes. There are over 68 million people in this country. So not even one person in five voted Tories.

How much was that as a percentage of votes cast?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 14, 2023, 19:19:29 pm
Let me simplify it for you, The wonderful Suella is a Tory, therefore she is supported by the majority of conservatives, who at the last election recorded 4m more votes than the dreadful Labour Party. FACT.
During the last leadership contest this was her performance:

1st round 32 votes 8.9% share
2nd round 27 votes =   7.5% share
Eliminated

Not even the conservatives want her, let alone the rest of the nation


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on December 14, 2023, 19:35:26 pm
During the last leadership contest this was her performance:

1st round 32 votes 8.9% share
2nd round 27 votes =   7.5% share
Eliminated

Not even the conservatives want her, let alone the rest of the nation
FACT!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on December 14, 2023, 20:26:45 pm
I am quite fond of her.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on December 15, 2023, 07:02:23 am
No me gusta!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on December 15, 2023, 11:03:17 am
Isnít she wonderful, says what the majority of people in this country want, no Woke BS.

No she's a hypocritical, privileged disgusting racist that appeals to poorly informed individuals on the right.

What most people in this country want is a structured and fair immigration system - one that controls  numbers appropriately and provides encouragement and support for correct integration along with a system that processes immigration applications in a quick and efficient manner.

Your disgusting heroine and those before have patently failed on those issues and seek to publicise themselves by stoking hatred and division which you seem all too ready to accept.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on December 15, 2023, 11:50:36 am
No she's a hypocritical, privileged disgusting racist that appeals to poorly informed individuals on the right.

What most people in this country want is a structured and fair immigration system - one that controls  numbers appropriately and provides encouragement and support for correct integration along with a system that processes immigration applications in a quick and efficient manner.

Your disgusting heroine and those before have patently failed on those issues and seek to publicise themselves by stoking hatred and division which you seem all too ready to accept.
The hatred and division is baked into society, only an idealistic buffoon would believe we can all get on together, there is no integration you only have to look at the pro Palestinian marches to see the hatred.
British values are being eroded on a daily basis, a society needs to reproduce at a rate of 1.8 to keep its culture and values alive, currently in Western Europe we are down at 1.4, sections of society are reproducing at a rate of 8 and within a 100 years our culture will be lost forever. Islam is predicted to become the biggest religion by 2050 overtaking Christianity.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 15, 2023, 12:17:28 pm
The hatred and division is baked into society, only an idealistic buffoon would believe we can all get on together, there is no integration you only have to look at the pro Palestinian marches to see the hatred.
British values are being eroded on a daily basis, a society needs to reproduce at a rate of 1.8 to keep its culture and values alive, currently in Western Europe we are down at 1.4, sections of society are reproducing at a rate of 8 and within a 100 years our culture will be lost forever. Islam is predicted to become the biggest religion by 2050 overtaking Christianity.


1) Nothing has eroded British values more or quicker in this country than this Tory government.
2) I would imagine it already is, unless you are counting non-believers.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on December 15, 2023, 13:28:40 pm
1) Nothing has eroded British values more or quicker in this country than this Tory government.
2) I would imagine it already is, unless you are counting non-believers.
Wrong again Marvo.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on December 15, 2023, 13:56:14 pm
Wrong again Marvo.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/

Sorry to disappoint you with a touch of reality but "identifying with a religion" as that survey was based upon is a million miles away from practicing a religion  - it cracks me up when right wing folk practice their rudimental reading skills by finding passages in the Quran that advocate violence whilst proudly declaring they are British Christians - but clearly having never read the bible which of course is equally violent - besides and it's only my opinion but the basic principles of all religions are a reasonably sound basis for a safe and secure society - however they run into trouble when they are used to control people or end up in a pissing contest that argues my imaginary friend is better than yours.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on December 15, 2023, 13:57:59 pm
The hatred and division is baked into society,



......well it certainly seems it is baked into your view of society


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 15, 2023, 14:32:38 pm
Wrong again Marvo.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/

Well I'm officially a Christian but I don't believe in god, nor do I go to church. So if you want to count people like me in your ranks, fine.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on December 15, 2023, 14:45:26 pm
Well I'm officially a Christian but I don't believe in god, nor do I go to church. So if you want to count people like me in your ranks, fine.
You think all Muslims believe in Allah, and rock up at the Mosque?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on December 15, 2023, 14:52:16 pm
There's no room in that pie chart for Sikhs and there's several million more of them than Jews.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 15, 2023, 14:57:46 pm
You think all Muslims believe in Allah, and rock up at the Mosque?

No. But percentage wise massively.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Welly Cobb on December 15, 2023, 15:26:56 pm
Loads of actually interesting polling data here; https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/

Long and short of it is that Manworks view is the minority held by around a third of the population and not the majority (if you take out those who don't know either way, it's more negative than positive for those aged 45+). It is still a significant minority, so it's not like nobody holds these views.

British values is such a dumb phrase, I'm assuming that both Manwork and Peter are white British, but do not share a lot of universal values here.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on December 15, 2023, 18:32:23 pm
Wrong again Marvo.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/
Ah yes the Bible. In God's own words...'Donít mistreat any foreigners who live in your land. Instead, treat them as well as you treat citizens and love them as much as you love yourself. Remember, you were once foreigners in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God' (Leviticus 19.33-34).


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on December 15, 2023, 20:03:39 pm
My Irish Grandmother used to say there was a lot of religion but not much Christianity! The Bible also says "Love one another" "Love the neighbour as thyself". However, anyone who uses religion as a political weapon is a charlatan and will be found out.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: itsme on December 21, 2023, 06:44:43 am
Well it's a bielection in the Wellingborough and rushden constituency after the recall petition on Peter Bone wad successful if Lavour win it will show how close the next general election may or may not be


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on December 21, 2023, 12:27:41 pm
Well it's a bielection in the Wellingborough and rushden constituency after the recall petition on Peter Bone wad successful if Lavour win it will show how close the next general election may or may not be

If an 18000 majority gets overturned, how close do you think a general election will be?

It's coming home!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 21, 2023, 12:52:00 pm
I've never understood why Wellingborough is a Tory stronghold, I mean they aint exactly posh over there.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carton Lid on December 21, 2023, 14:23:00 pm
I've never understood why Wellingborough is a Tory stronghold, I mean they aint exactly posh over there.
They moved all the boundaries around years ago, before that Wellingborough was a marginal. Earls Barton is now in Daventry despite probably half the people have never been to Daventry, and why would you? Earls Barton is nearer to at least EIGHT other constituencies than Daventry


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on December 21, 2023, 16:54:12 pm
I've never understood why Wellingborough is a Tory stronghold, I mean they aint exactly posh over there.

Too right we (it's my home town) aren't P**h, Cobblers through and through.

But I do see your point in political terms.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on December 21, 2023, 19:07:56 pm
Apparently the population of Wellingborough voted tory because they kept the council tax rates low  ::)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on December 21, 2023, 19:58:40 pm
Apparently the population of Wellingborough voted tory because they kept the council tax rates low  ::)
And they are shrewd and know whatís best for them and the country, inflation DOWN, small boat crossings DOWN, whatís not to like.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on December 21, 2023, 20:13:58 pm
Council tax going up, energy cap going up, taxation going up, yerrrr what's not to like  ::)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 21, 2023, 20:39:37 pm
And they are shrewd and know whatís best for them and the country, inflation DOWN, small boat crossings DOWN, whatís not to like.
Under which government did inflation and small boat crossings go up?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on December 22, 2023, 06:59:15 am
And they are shrewd and know whatís best for them and the country, inflation DOWN, small boat crossings DOWN, whatís not to like.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67799713

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67087906

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67754983

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/13/pothole-repairs-on-local-roads-in-england-sink-to-lowest-level-in-five-years

https://news.sky.com/story/4-5bn-lost-to-fraud-in-three-covid-schemes-as-rishi-sunaks-eat-out-to-help-out-scheme-recorded-9-5-rate-of-fraud-hmrc-says-12758935

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/12/07/uk-gives-rwanda-another-100m-before-asylum-seekers-deported/

https://www.jrf.org.uk/deep-poverty-and-destitution/destitution-in-the-uk-2023

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12716817/Tory-peer-Michelle-Mone-husband-admit-involvement-firm-fraud-probe-PPE-contracts-pandemic.html

I could go on.

And the best yet...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8EhVfnFZck


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on December 22, 2023, 08:39:11 am
Under which government did inflation and small boat crossings go up?

The short lived (thankfully) shÓt show that was the Truss government. Yes, that's right, the one the Tory members voted for, unlike the current one that nobody voted for. Still, not long now.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on December 22, 2023, 11:39:13 am
And another recession on the way

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67799713
I just posted that link!
Here's one more for Manny.
He must be so proud.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1816662/doctors-report-historical-illnesses-malnutrition-patients


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on December 22, 2023, 17:21:10 pm
I just posted that link!
Here's one more for Manny.
He must be so proud.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1816662/doctors-report-historical-illnesses-malnutrition-patients
They are probably spending all their handouts on drugs, and booze instead of nutritional food, no one is too poor not to be able to eat, not to mention food banks and the highest living wage ever.
As for the basket case that is the NHS, should have been privatised in the 90ís.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on December 23, 2023, 19:26:48 pm
merry christmas   ::)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on December 24, 2023, 09:23:46 am
They are probably spending all their handouts on drugs, and booze instead of nutritional food, no one is too poor not to be able to eat, not to mention food banks and the highest living wage ever.
As for the basket case that is the NHS, should have been privatised in the 90ís.

Says the basket case!

Even the madcap Thatcher shied away from that knowing it would have guaranteed defeat in the next election. So she tried to do it by stealth.

The NHS should have been properly funded in the 90's and every decade since.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on December 24, 2023, 15:19:34 pm
As for the basket case that is the NHS, should have been privatised in the 90ís.

You'll struggle to find a decent healthcare system n the world, that doesnít need a reasonable element of public funding.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on December 24, 2023, 17:48:56 pm
You'll struggle to find a decent healthcare system n the world, that doesnít need a reasonable element of public funding.

And quite right that they should be publicly funded, it is for all our benefit.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on January 07, 2024, 23:15:54 pm
I read with interest that the Wellingborough Tories have just selected as candidate for the upcoming by-election, to replace former disgraced MP Peter Bone, none other than his girlfriend. It seems they have given up on serious politics and are just taking the piss now!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on January 08, 2024, 14:35:09 pm
I read with interest that the Wellingborough Tories have just selected as candidate for the upcoming by-election, to replace former disgraced MP Peter Bone, none other than his girlfriend. It seems they have given up on serious politics and are just taking the piss now!
Bone? Girlfriend? Ballot box? There's a Frankie Boyle joke in there somewhere.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carton Lid on January 08, 2024, 16:23:08 pm
I read with interest that the Wellingborough Tories have just selected as candidate for the upcoming by-election, to replace former disgraced MP Peter Bone, none other than his girlfriend. It seems they have given up on serious politics and are just taking the piss now!
I heard that Bone was going to stand as an independent if the Tories didn't select her, thus splitting the Tory vote, both of them  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on January 08, 2024, 18:12:03 pm
This beggars belief, doesn't it? Surely everyone will see this as Bone trying to get his job back by proxy?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: itsme on January 08, 2024, 18:29:54 pm
It's a shame for sure but don't see her winning the seat anyway


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on January 08, 2024, 19:49:03 pm
This beggars belief, doesn't it? Surely everyone will see this as Bone trying to get his job back by proxy?

I think itís more a case of simple spite - split the vote to ensure the seat is not retained by the Tories - just another example of these people displaying self interest with no interest in either their constituents or indeed the party they should be showing loyalty to.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on January 16, 2024, 17:20:04 pm
tories imploding over the Rwanda bill, 50p Lee has resigned as deputy chairman to vote against his own party.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on January 16, 2024, 17:35:54 pm
Marvellous.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-rig-next-election-planned-boundary-changes-benefit-a8471811.html


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on January 16, 2024, 18:48:05 pm
50p Lee

Bloody cost of living crisis he used to be 30p Lee, that's inflation for you - thanks Liz Truss, your legacy lives on.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on January 16, 2024, 18:51:06 pm
Marvellous.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-rig-next-election-planned-boundary-changes-benefit-a8471811.html

It would seem that they need all the help they can wangle. I saw a report from the Torygraph that was predicting a 120 seat majority for Labour. That would be a shame, wouldn't it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MCHammer on January 16, 2024, 19:12:04 pm
Marvellous.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-rig-next-election-planned-boundary-changes-benefit-a8471811.html

Every little bit helps maybe.   :P

If you read past the headlines Labour already needed a record breaking swing BEFORE the boundary changes.  Now just need a little bit more, 12% before now predicted to be 12.7% after.

Labour has won 3 recent by-elections with 20% plus swing, some in areas they historically have performed poorly in.

Explains why quite a few tories are getting twitchy within their own party, let alone within their constituency.  The way some Tory MPs are currently bahaving they will be pinning their hopes the boundary change brought in more racists to their consituency.   ;D   


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on January 16, 2024, 19:55:05 pm
Bloody cost of living crisis he used to be 30p Lee, that's inflation for you - thanks Liz Truss, your legacy lives on.
I added an extra 20p because of the £1000,000 or so GB news pays him  ;). I'm lying....... I got the amount wrong  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 16, 2024, 20:01:58 pm
Not sure about these 30p references, but I do recall being told about 50p Lill though.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on January 16, 2024, 20:34:08 pm
Looks like Donald is back 🇺🇸
Bidenís disastrous immigration policy has ended any chance the Democrats had.
The left is dying all over the world.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on January 16, 2024, 22:30:50 pm
Not sure about these 30p references, but I do recall being told about 50p Lill though.

When living in London many years ago one of the girls living in the flat below was called Betty and nicknamed 'Bett(y)er Next Time'.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on January 16, 2024, 22:40:37 pm
I added an extra 20p because of the £1000,000 or so GB news pays him  ;). I'm lying....... I got the amount wrong 

Even so am amazed you got the comma in the wrong place!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 17, 2024, 07:16:33 am
I'm going to interject as someone who really has no entitlement to be in this debate. Because as i have said before. I don't vote. I don't really even watch, or listen to the news.

However, I do know one thing implicitly. No matter who gets in, there is simply not enough money cascading down from the huge conglomerates. Or the super rich in this country. The current military, social care, NHS and local authority models are simply not sustainable. In fact nowhere near. What has happened in Birmingham, is about to happen in at least four other huge local authorities that I know of, and in fact have dealt with in recent years. Over the last 30 years the blended growth of joint centrally funded and PFI contracts has propped up most decent sized projects. Now the central funding has become almost negligible, we are left with private ownership models, that are draining huge amounts of funds away from the UK. Contracts have been signed over the last few years that we know are unsustainable and will inevitably lead to private, foreign commerce governing nearly all of our once public sector projects. The safeguards that were in place under EU membership have been eradicated and it is now an open house frenzy from oversees organisations to run and own our infrastructure, commerce and institutions. Organisations that unlike previous models, offer no incentive or intent to fund the public purse. By ensuring that there funding is offshore, and that they, not us, reap the benefits of the tax breaks and loopholes. The PFI's initiatives where agreed off the backdrop of a model that would reap huge tax returns, that would in turn bolster future growth. This is not the case at all now. So we are left to fend for ourselves, whilst looking on jealously at huge foreign growth in other countries, funded by our ultimate demise.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on January 17, 2024, 07:51:27 am
Marvellous.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-rig-next-election-planned-boundary-changes-benefit-a8471811.html

So Biden according to you and your fellow Trump supporter stole the election which is a disgrace and justified insurgence - but the Tories employing dirty tricks to try to ensure a slightly better complexion on their defeat is marvellous- little wonder people tend not to take your political ramblings seriously.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on January 17, 2024, 10:13:20 am
Even so am amazed you got the comma in the wrong place!
Incorrect number of zeros used! Comma is fine! £100,000 is the correct number


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on January 17, 2024, 10:16:10 am
Looks like Donald is back 🇺🇸
Bidenís disastrous immigration policy has ended any chance the Democrats had.
The left is dying all over the world.
I think one primary in the Mid West to select the republican front runner isnít really an indicator of the health of left wing politics. Nice try though!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on January 17, 2024, 10:17:45 am
Not sure about these 30p references, but I do recall being told about 50p Lill though.
I used to be involved in her care at times!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on January 17, 2024, 10:44:48 am
I used to be involved in her care at times!

Were you funding it in 50p increments?  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on January 17, 2024, 11:15:24 am
I'm going to interject as someone who really has no entitlement to be in this debate. Because as i have said before. I don't vote. I don't really even watch, or listen to the news.

However, I do know one thing implicitly. No matter who gets in, there is simply not enough money cascading down from the huge conglomerates. Or the super rich in this country. The current military, social care, NHS and local authority models are simply not sustainable. In fact nowhere near. What has happened in Birmingham, is about to happen in at least four other huge local authorities that I know of, and in fact have dealt with in recent years. Over the last 30 years the blended growth of joint centrally funded and PFI contracts has propped up most decent sized projects. Now the central funding has become almost negligible, we are left with private ownership models, that are draining huge amounts of funds away from the UK. Contracts have been signed over the last few years that we know are unsustainable and will inevitably lead to private, foreign commerce governing nearly all of our once public sector projects. The safeguards that were in place under EU membership have been eradicated and it is now an open house frenzy from oversees organisations to run and own our infrastructure, commerce and institutions. Organisations that unlike previous models, offer no incentive or intent to fund the public purse. By ensuring that there funding is offshore, and that they, not us, reap the benefits of the tax breaks and loopholes. The PFI's initiatives where agreed off the backdrop of a model that would reap huge tax returns, that would in turn bolster future growth. This is not the case at all now. So we are left to fend for ourselves, whilst looking on jealously at huge foreign growth in other countries, funded by our ultimate demise.


Ahh yes PFI contracts another great EU idea thatís a complete and utter disaster, hospitals built costing 4-5 times the market value that take 60+ years to pay off.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on January 17, 2024, 11:23:29 am
I think one primary in the Mid West to select the republican front runner isnít really an indicator of the health of left wing politics. Nice try though!
Not really, right wing government is already in power in Italy, Switzerland, Poland, Holland, Austria, Sweden, Finland, Hungary and the AfD is by far the largest party in all 5 districts of Germany.
https://www.politico.eu/article/far-right-giorgia-meloni-europe-swings-right-and-reshapes-the-eu/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 17, 2024, 11:26:09 am
Ahh yes PFI contracts another great EU idea thatís a complete and utter disaster, hospitals built costing 4-5 times the market value that take 60+ years to pay off.

Your blinkered view of the world is quite something to behold.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 17, 2024, 11:27:24 am
Not really, right wing government is already in power in Italy, Switzerland, Poland, Holland, Austria, Sweden, Finland, Hungary and the AfD is by far the largest party in all 5 districts of Germany.
https://www.politico.eu/article/far-right-giorgia-meloni-europe-swings-right-and-reshapes-the-eu/

Give it 12 months and you're going to lose the only right wing government that matters to you.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on January 17, 2024, 11:32:13 am
I'm going to interject as someone who really has no entitlement to be in this debate. Because as i have said before. I don't vote. I don't really even watch, or listen to the news.

However, I do know one thing implicitly. No matter who gets in, there is simply not enough money cascading down from the huge conglomerates. Or the super rich in this country. The current military, social care, NHS and local authority models are simply not sustainable. In fact nowhere near. What has happened in Birmingham, is about to happen in at least four other huge local authorities that I know of, and in fact have dealt with in recent years. Over the last 30 years the blended growth of joint centrally funded and PFI contracts has propped up most decent sized projects. Now the central funding has become almost negligible, we are left with private ownership models, that are draining huge amounts of funds away from the UK. Contracts have been signed over the last few years that we know are unsustainable and will inevitably lead to private, foreign commerce governing nearly all of our once public sector projects. The safeguards that were in place under EU membership have been eradicated and it is now an open house frenzy from oversees organisations to run and own our infrastructure, commerce and institutions. Organisations that unlike previous models, offer no incentive or intent to fund the public purse. By ensuring that there funding is offshore, and that they, not us, reap the benefits of the tax breaks and loopholes. The PFI's initiatives where agreed off the backdrop of a model that would reap huge tax returns, that would in turn bolster future growth. This is not the case at all now. So we are left to fend for ourselves, whilst looking on jealously at huge foreign growth in other countries, funded by our ultimate demise.



So which  party is going to sort out our demise;according to your message neither party is up to it! This leaves the Liberals, so goodl luck there, An alternative is an extreme Left Wing a la Corbyn - is this what you want? As your comments are made in good faith, have noted  the points you have raised. As a regular poster on here will take the opportunity to examine your claims and offer a measured response!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on January 17, 2024, 11:33:33 am
Your blinkered view of the world is quite something to behold.
Itís not blinkered at all, as a socialist Iíd have thought you would have hated the idea as well?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on January 17, 2024, 11:41:53 am
Not really, right wing government is already in power in Italy, Switzerland, Poland, Holland, Austria, Sweden, Finland, Hungary and the AfD is by far the largest party in all 5 districts of Germany.
https://www.politico.eu/article/far-right-giorgia-meloni-europe-swings-right-and-reshapes-the-eu/
An article from June 2023! You might want to check on the Polish government as well. And they are states in Germany, it's a Federal republic. Nice try though  ;)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on January 17, 2024, 11:43:25 am
Were you funding it in 50p increments?  ;D
;D I can't go into great detail but it involved keeping the lady safe from harm!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on January 17, 2024, 12:25:41 pm
I don't really see how anyone can stand behind either party (the only two that will be control) with any confidence and passion at the moment....or at any point really.
It's just the cyclical nature of politics every 12-13 years. One out (when the voters have had enough), the other in.
The Tories are just stringing it out as long as possible. They'll get totally wiped out, Boris will probably re-appear etc.

We'd be better off with an Ant and Dec coalition.
 


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 17, 2024, 12:43:50 pm
Itís not blinkered at all, as a socialist Iíd have thought you would have hated the idea as well?


Of course it's blinkered. You totally ignore the wrong doing and corruption of "your side", then highlight anything you see as bad from the other. You're like a football fan watching your team play their rivals only the result affects adversely the rest of the league.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on January 17, 2024, 12:46:45 pm
Of course it's blinkered. You totally ignore the wrong doing and corruption of "your side", then highlight anything you see as bad from the other. You're like a football fan watching your team play their rivals only the result affects adversely the rest of the league.
So you donít think the Labour Party has ever been corrupt?
Here you go fill your boots https://www.politico.eu/article/westminster-unwanted-uk-mps-suspended-parties-scandal/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 17, 2024, 13:08:47 pm
I'm going to interject as someone who really has no entitlement to be in this debate. Because as i have said before. I don't vote. I don't really even watch, or listen to the news.

However, I do know one thing implicitly. No matter who gets in, there is simply not enough money cascading down from the huge conglomerates. Or the super rich in this country. The current military, social care, NHS and local authority models are simply not sustainable. In fact nowhere near. What has happened in Birmingham, is about to happen in at least four other huge local authorities that I know of, and in fact have dealt with in recent years. Over the last 30 years the blended growth of joint centrally funded and PFI contracts has propped up most decent sized projects. Now the central funding has become almost negligible, we are left with private ownership models, that are draining huge amounts of funds away from the UK. Contracts have been signed over the last few years that we know are unsustainable and will inevitably lead to private, foreign commerce governing nearly all of our once public sector projects. The safeguards that were in place under EU membership have been eradicated and it is now an open house frenzy from oversees organisations to run and own our infrastructure, commerce and institutions. Organisations that unlike previous models, offer no incentive or intent to fund the public purse. By ensuring that there funding is offshore, and that they, not us, reap the benefits of the tax breaks and loopholes. The PFI's initiatives where agreed off the backdrop of a model that would reap huge tax returns, that would in turn bolster future growth. This is not the case at all now. So we are left to fend for ourselves, whilst looking on jealously at huge foreign growth in other countries, funded by our ultimate demise.


The planning application for the Lower Thames Crossing, contains 359,000 pages, and has cost £267 million. Thats before work has even started.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 17, 2024, 13:10:34 pm
;D I can't go into great detail but it involved keeping the lady safe from harm!
Give her one of those mobile card scanners.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on January 17, 2024, 16:39:29 pm
I'm going to interject as someone who really has no entitlement to be in this debate. Because as i have said before. I don't vote. I don't really even watch, or listen to the news.

However, I do know one thing implicitly. No matter who gets in, there is simply not enough money cascading down from the huge conglomerates. Or the super rich in this country. The current military, social care, NHS and local authority models are simply not sustainable. In fact nowhere near. What has happened in Birmingham, is about to happen in at least four other huge local authorities that I know of, and in fact have dealt with in recent years. Over the last 30 years the blended growth of joint centrally funded and PFI contracts has propped up most decent sized projects. Now the central funding has become almost negligible, we are left with private ownership models, that are draining huge amounts of funds away from the UK. Contracts have been signed over the last few years that we know are unsustainable and will inevitably lead to private, foreign commerce governing nearly all of our once public sector projects. The safeguards that were in place under EU membership have been eradicated and it is now an open house frenzy from oversees organisations to run and own our infrastructure, commerce and institutions. Organisations that unlike previous models, offer no incentive or intent to fund the public purse. By ensuring that there funding is offshore, and that they, not us, reap the benefits of the tax breaks and loopholes. The PFI's initiatives where agreed off the backdrop of a model that would reap huge tax returns, that would in turn bolster future growth. This is not the case at all now. So we are left to fend for ourselves, whilst looking on jealously at huge foreign growth in other countries, funded by our ultimate demise.



For someone who knows very little, you are very wise.



Hey, not often I say that about Fenners!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on January 17, 2024, 19:45:30 pm
One thing that I hope to see change over time when we get a change of management for the country, is a movement away from organisations being driven by corporate greed.

I'm sure many of you will have watched Mr Bates vs The Post Office and will have been both moved and disgusted in equal measures like I was and most of the country seems to have been. Organisations like The Post Office don't need to be money makers, they should be owned by the people for the good of the people. From the top, the guiding principle should be public service and personal pride in doing the job well, not big bonuses for ripping people off.

Rather than services like road maintenance and pothole filling being farmed out to private companies where various layers of management get bonuses and shareholders reap the dividends, let's get it back to local councils, where the incentive is to do a good job and not to have to go back to redo it, rather than the incentive being to do a cheap, substandard job, then being called back and paid to do it all over again because the same thing happens again the next winter. Local jobs for local people who are the ones who use that road and suffer the consequences for not doing it properly.

There are many other examples like it.

Pay more to get a better service, yes please, tax me and other higher earners more, but let's also fund it by not having private business creaming off profits, or foreign companies taking government subsidies. Also businesses can afford to pay more tax on their profits and still be making plenty of money. There are numerous examples that we have been disgusted by through this cost of living crisis, where we collectively, have struggled whilst certain businesses have never had it so good. But yes, tax the rich more and lower tax for the lower earners - raise the tax thresholds.


This time, more than any other time, this time, we deserve a change.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on January 17, 2024, 20:30:30 pm

Pay more to get a better service, yes please, tax me and other higher earners more, but let's also fund it by not having private business creaming off profits, or foreign companies taking government subsidies. Also businesses can afford to pay more tax on their profits and still be making plenty of money. There are numerous examples that we have been disgusted by through this cost of living crisis, where we collectively, have struggled whilst certain businesses have never had it so good. But yes, tax the rich more and lower tax for the lower earners - raise the tax thresholds.


This time, more than any other time, this time, we deserve a change.

There has got to be a better formula on tax, although Iím not sure what it is. Middle earners seem to get hammered the most, although have gained the most on the NI reduction.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on January 17, 2024, 21:07:26 pm
I hear Rwandan is nice this time of year  8)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on January 17, 2024, 22:34:45 pm
The planning application for the Lower Thames Crossing, contains 359,000 pages, and has cost £267 million. Thats before work has even started.

May I ask politely what has this Lower Thames PA go to do with Terrys preamble above! If itís a naÔve query just box its ears and send it home. I can hazard a guess or two but prefer to hear from you!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carton Lid on January 18, 2024, 11:23:19 am
There has got to be a better formula on tax, although Iím not sure what it is. Middle earners seem to get hammered the most, although have gained the most on the NI reduction.
Agree 100% with Bingers, and the reason the middle earners get hammered most is because the greedy bastards at the top employ people to make sure they don't pay their fair share, so it has to be made up elsewhere.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on January 18, 2024, 11:52:27 am
Agree 100% with Bingers, and the reason the middle earners get hammered most is because the greedy bastards at the top employ people to make sure they don't pay their fair share, so it has to be made up elsewhere.


The ultimate stealth tax is locking the level 40% kicks in. More and more people must be dropping into this each year. Incentive if there ever was one to heap money into your pension, subject to net affordability of course. At least when you die your family can get hammered on inheritance tax.  :P


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on January 20, 2024, 11:31:50 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68029232

Lovely people!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on January 20, 2024, 15:27:22 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68029232

Lovely people!
Banning the biggest political party because you disagree with them isnít going to end well.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on January 20, 2024, 18:13:58 pm
Banning the biggest political party because you disagree with them isnít going to end well.


Generally, yes I would agree, but at risk of getting all jingoistic and invoking Godwin, should we take a little look back at German's history and see what that shows us. Just as well Manny wasn't making the decisions in the 30s and 40s.

Sometimes, there is just plain, straightforward right and wrong.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on January 20, 2024, 19:31:46 pm
AFD are wrong! No Pasaran!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on January 20, 2024, 21:34:38 pm
AFD are wrong! No Pasaran!

AfD will certainly get the vote here in deepest darkest Bavaria, mind you this is a state who would elect Hitler if he stood in the next election.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on January 21, 2024, 07:05:50 am
AfD will certainly get the vote here in deepest darkest Bavaria, mind you this is a state who would elect Hitler if he stood in the next election.

This saddens me.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 21, 2024, 09:05:33 am
This saddens me.
Bangers, however much it offends you, there are people out there that hold a different opinion to yours. Dry your tears my friend.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Larry on January 21, 2024, 12:15:34 pm
Bangers, however much it offends you, there are people out there that hold a different opinion to yours. Dry your tears my friend.

If people hold views that are likely to harm others they ought to be locked up.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 21, 2024, 12:51:11 pm
If people hold views that are likely to harm others they ought to be locked up.
I admire your use of the words "likely" and "ought". 
#curtaintwitcher


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on January 21, 2024, 13:05:10 pm
Bangers, however much it offends you, there are people out there that hold a different opinion to yours. Dry your tears my friend.

So a new Hitler style leader would be acceptable?

I am more than happy for others to have other opinions, it is part of the rich tapestry of life. And also, I am not always right, but I am when it comes to Facism.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Larry on January 21, 2024, 13:14:34 pm
I admire your use of the words "likely" and "ought". 
#curtaintwitcher

Good point. People that hold views that harm others must be locked up.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 21, 2024, 13:21:45 pm
So a new Hitler style leader would be acceptable?

I am more than happy for others to have other opinions, it is part of the rich tapestry of life. And also, I am not always right, but I am when it comes to Facism.
You got that bit correct about not being right. Definitely left in my opinion. But hey, each to their own. As for being called a Facist, I will just add that to all of the the other insults that have been flung in my direction in the past. It dont bother me.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 21, 2024, 13:37:14 pm
You got that bit correct about not being right. Definitely left in my opinion. But hey, each to their own. As for being called a Facist, I will just add that to all of the the other insults that have been flung in my direction in the past. It dont bother me.

Probably didn't bother Hitler either.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 21, 2024, 13:44:36 pm
Probably didn't bother Hitler either.
And I will just add Hitler to the long list of insults that have been flung at me on here. Keep em coming, it dont bother me. They are just words..


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 21, 2024, 13:49:36 pm
And I will just add Hitler to the long list of insults that have been flung at me on here. Keep em coming, it dont bother me. They are just words..

You said being called a fascist didn't bother you.

I said it probably didn't bother Hitler either.

Where did I call YOU Hitler?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 21, 2024, 14:29:39 pm
You said being called a fascist didn't bother you.

I said it probably didn't bother Hitler either.

Where did I call YOU Hitler?
As I said, keep them coming fella. Because it really does not bother me. I have an ability to shrug my shoulders. Looking back though, I did once have a mousetache.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carton Lid on January 21, 2024, 14:34:36 pm
You said being called a fascist didn't bother you.

I said it probably didn't bother Hitler either.

Where did I call YOU Hitler?
You don't hold yourself in very high esteem do you?, I think most people would be a tad disappointed being compared to a person who sanctioned the deaths of millions of innocent people   


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on January 21, 2024, 14:39:37 pm
You got that bit correct about not being right. Definitely left in my opinion. But hey, each to their own. As for being called a Facist, I will just add that to all of the the other insults that have been flung in my direction in the past. It dont bother me.

I am definitely not calling you Facist.

My original comment about being saddened was in relation to the people of Bavaria would apparently vote for Hitler in the next election if they got the opportunity. There is definitely no place for Facism in this world, I am certain of that.

All peace and love to you Tabby.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 21, 2024, 14:55:03 pm
You don't hold yourself in very high esteem do you?, I think most people would be a tad disappointed being compared to a person who sanctioned the deaths of millions of innocent people   
As a former train (locomotive) driver, I would suggest that he holds himself in very high esteem. The one that likes to take the day off work, so that he can be at Clarkenwell Green on the first of May. With all of the bells and whistles.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 21, 2024, 15:05:07 pm
I am definitely not calling you Facist.

My original comment about being saddened was in relation to the people of Bavaria would apparently vote for Hitler in the next election if they got the opportunity. There is definitely no place for Facism in this world, I am certain of that.

All peace and love to you Tabby.
Hello mate. I am sure that there was a confusion there. It was not my intent to question, or insult you.
As my teenage daughter would say, "will you be my friend?"


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on January 21, 2024, 15:46:16 pm
As my teenage daughter would say, "will you be my friend?"

Fwiends.

Of course, never in any doubt. 😘


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on January 21, 2024, 16:12:07 pm
Good point. People that hold views that harm others must be locked up.
I wonder where Darwin stood on this. We are but animals.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on January 21, 2024, 16:43:18 pm
Not really, right wing government is already in power in Italy, Switzerland, Poland, Holland, Austria, Sweden, Finland, Hungary and the AfD is by far the largest party in all 5 districts of Germany.
https://www.politico.eu/article/far-right-giorgia-meloni-europe-swings-right-and-reshapes-the-eu/
All quite innocent I'm sure. They're just looking for a ... Fin, well let's just say an Ultimate Answer.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nazis-no-thank-you-germans-take-streets-call-afd-ban-2024-01-17/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on January 21, 2024, 17:21:43 pm
Good point. People that hold views that harm others must be locked up.

So are you saying that the pro palestine protesters who are carrying placards saying all those who disagree with Islam should be killed need to be locked up?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Larry on January 21, 2024, 17:47:25 pm
I wonder where Darwin stood on this. We are but animals.

It's quite common to lock up people that have views that want to harm others. Berrywood contain many of these. I guess it's a question of degree.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on January 21, 2024, 17:52:10 pm
So are you saying that the pro palestine protesters who are carrying placards saying all those who disagree with Islam should be killed need to be locked up?

To be blunt yes - itís inciting violence and absolutely not acceptable- also it does a massive disservice to the millions of Muslims that totally disagree with this view - playing into the hands of right wing racists - but just to clarify Iím a big supporter of 98% people who attend these marches and condemn the action of IDF which is totally disproportionate to the horrific attacks by Hamas and is simply cowardly retribution. No easy solutions here but this action paradoxically will create more disaffected people, more migration and more terrorists.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Larry on January 21, 2024, 18:04:52 pm
So are you saying that the pro palestine protesters who are carrying placards saying all those who disagree with Islam should be killed need to be locked up?

It's already happening, Hizb ut-Tahrir are banned which means belonging to, inviting support for and displaying symbols of the group in public will be a criminal offence.
If you incite violence you should be locked up.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 21, 2024, 19:21:36 pm
I

If you incite violence you should be locked up.
I would doubt that there would be adequate facilities for that.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on January 21, 2024, 20:23:47 pm
It's already happening, Hizb ut-Tahrir are banned which means belonging to, inviting support for and displaying symbols of the group in public will be a criminal offence.
If you incite violence you should be locked up.
That would be lots of politicians then  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on January 21, 2024, 21:56:14 pm
I just wonder how many of you Left and Right wing firebrands will be at Charlton on Tuesday supporting the team you profess to support/love?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3649 on January 22, 2024, 07:04:41 am
I just wonder how many of you Left and Right wing firebrands will be at Charlton on Tuesday supporting the team you profess to support/love?
If youíd like to spend the evening/night at my mumís Iíd love to go! 🧐


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 22, 2024, 07:22:35 am
I just wonder how many of you Left and Right wing firebrands will be at Charlton on Tuesday supporting the team you profess to support/love?

Evers. The official head of virtue signalling.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on January 22, 2024, 08:30:46 am
I just wonder how many of you Left and Right wing firebrands will be at Charlton on Tuesday supporting the team you profess to support/love?

I won't be.

Might pay to see it on IFollow though. Mind you, am I a firebrand or does Evers mean someone else?


Anyway Evers, can you keep The Mighty Cobblers out of it, this is the Politics thread and we're trying to have reasoned debate. This is where we have polite and respectful disagreements even though we all profess to support/love the same team.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on January 22, 2024, 13:34:19 pm
Evers. The official head of virtue signalling.

Especially when itís wet and dangerously windy and now need a walking stick to get around! You sometimes give the impression of a fairweather supporter? As an esteemed Mod on here perhaps you mightíve considered assuming the ĎVirtualí mantle yourself.
One other Mod is leading by example so why not you?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: everbrite on January 22, 2024, 13:40:33 pm
If youíd like to spend the evening/night at my mumís Iíd love to go! 🧐

Too short a notice as the Lady in question is in London! Am off to 6Fields to get my tkt. Gusts over 44mph  on Tuesday forecast from 7pm - might be-called off!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on January 22, 2024, 14:15:13 pm
I just wonder how many of you Left and Right wing firebrands will be at Charlton on Tuesday supporting the team you profess to support/love?

You are actually quite funny - rightly castigating posters that stray into politics on a football thread but then make such a comment on a thread clearly titled politics.

.........but to answer your question its ifollow for me, but flights booked for a personal appearance for the games against Bolton, Derby Charlton and Exeter - I do like to make an effort to justify an occasional comment  ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on February 07, 2024, 20:21:44 pm
Be care Manny, it could be you next.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20240204/281668259869533


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 08, 2024, 06:26:25 am
Be care Manny, it could be you next.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20240204/281668259869533

It could be any of us in this country.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 08, 2024, 12:09:12 pm
Be care Manny, it could be you next.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20240204/281668259869533
The fact I may or may not transition has got fcuk all to do with you.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 08, 2024, 12:11:33 pm
Good old Labour, U turning over £28bn green FLAGSHIP policy, they really are utterly clueless 😂


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on February 08, 2024, 13:25:47 pm
Good old Labour, U turning over £28bn green FLAGSHIP policy, they really are utterly clueless 😂

Sometimes it's the right thing to do, if only Liz Truss and Co. had U turned we might not be so far in the sh*t as we are. Utterly brain dead!! 8)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on February 08, 2024, 14:28:45 pm
Good old Labour, U turning over £28bn green FLAGSHIP policy, they really are utterly clueless 😂

Manny .. you really need to learn how to use emojis. We know youíre joking but Iím not sure you do!?
After 14 years of ineptitude there is no money left - although maybe Baroness Mone will bail us out and repay some of the amount she owes us all??
The Tories have managed to do what Hitler failed to do! Break us!
Theyíve always been self centred, nasty and hypocritical but at least in the old days you could always rely on the Tories to run the economy. BJ and Truss have kicked the only strength they had into touch. To quote your friend Nadine- this election will probably be an extinction event for the Tories.
Canít wait.
Certainly as I deliver leaflets in the Wellingborough area over the last few weekends, itís hard to find a true blue anywhere. More Rangers fans than Tories in Wellingborough!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on February 08, 2024, 14:46:01 pm
Good old Labour, U turning over £28bn green FLAGSHIP policy, they really are utterly clueless 😂

Interesting insight here - I'm sure you would have been dead against such policies so how can in your view it be a sign of cluelessness not to pursue them ? (It is generally considered a sign of intelligence if you accept an initial idea is no longer correct or feasible, and subsequently reverse your stance)

It seems a like the "anyone but KT/DB" failed strategy of last year from certain quarters, you have an, "anything but labour" view  without even considering what their policy actually is.

Unfortunately the nature of politics  is pretty much mirrored by that view of intransigence apart of course from the Red Wall who have sussed the lies led by the blonde buffoon  - BTW any chance of a reply on the "did you do ok under the Blair/Brown years".......... 


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: itsme on February 08, 2024, 15:37:25 pm
1 week till the welling by-election I've had more pamphlets through the door than ever before


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 08, 2024, 17:54:46 pm
Interesting insight here - I'm sure you would have been dead against such policies so how can in your view it be a sign of cluelessness not to pursue them ? (It is generally considered a sign of intelligence if you accept an initial idea is no longer correct or feasible, and subsequently reverse your stance)

It seems a like the "anyone but KT/DB" failed strategy of last year from certain quarters, you have an, "anything but labour" view  without even considering what their policy actually is.

Unfortunately the nature of politics  is pretty much mirrored by that view of intransigence apart of course from the Red Wall who have sussed the lies led by the blonde buffoon  - BTW any chance of a reply on the "did you do ok under the Blair/Brown years".......... 
Peter, you know as well as I do Blair was more Tory in policy than the current government certainly lower taxes, but unfortunately he was a liar and a war criminal and the vile underbelly of Labour, Iím talking the likes of momentum here hated him for it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 08, 2024, 18:16:59 pm
LABOUR NO PLAN NO CLUE. FACT.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 08, 2024, 18:32:16 pm
The Conservative Party are hopeless, inept and incompetent. They are systematically destroying the UK and within 10 years it will be the worst performing country in Europe by any measurable standard. Vote Labour if youíd like to accelerate this process.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 13, 2024, 12:11:47 pm
Dear,dear, dear, Stammer and the Labour Party is in chaos yet agin, this time because itís intrinsically Racist and openly antisemitism party is first backing Azahr Ali (their candidate for Rochdale by election)and  then throwing him out for saying Israel allowed the Hamas attacks to happen.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THEY EVER GOT INTO POWERÖÖ
What an utter shÓthole weíve let our country become.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3667 on February 13, 2024, 12:15:58 pm
Dear,dear, dear, Stammer and the Labour Party is in chaos yet agin, this time because itís intrinsically Racist and openly antisemitism party is first backing Azahr Ali (their candidate for Rochdale by election)and  then throwing him out for saying Israel allowed the Hamas attacks to happen.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THEY EVER GOT INTO POWERÖÖ
What an utter shÓthole weíve let our country become.
Iím glad you realised that, 14 years of tory mismanagement has reduced us to an utter sh1t hole 🥳


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 13, 2024, 12:30:25 pm
Dear,dear, dear, Stammer and the Labour Party is in chaos yet agin, this time because itís intrinsically Racist and openly antisemitism party is first backing Azahr Ali (their candidate for Rochdale by election)and  then throwing him out for saying Israel allowed the Hamas attacks to happen.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THEY EVER GOT INTO POWERÖÖ
What an utter shÓthole weíve let our country become.

No need to imagine, it's only 10 months away now.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on February 13, 2024, 13:21:51 pm
Dear,dear, dear, Stammer and the Labour Party is in chaos yet agin, this time because itís intrinsically Racist and openly antisemitism party is first backing Azahr Ali (their candidate for Rochdale by election)and  then throwing him out for saying Israel allowed the Hamas attacks to happen.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THEY EVER GOT INTO POWERÖÖ
What an utter shÓthole weíve let our country become.

Blown up out of all proportion, it was his choice of the word 'allowed' which caused the row. It was part of his statement that Egypt and USA warned Israel that Hamas were planning the attack, that was, apparently, true.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 13, 2024, 15:16:18 pm
No need to imagine, it's only 10 months away now.

Hopefully less.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on February 15, 2024, 06:48:05 am
Blown up out of all proportion, it was his choice of the word 'allowed' which caused the row. It was part of his statement that Egypt and USA warned Israel that Hamas were planning the attack, that was, apparently, true.

Absolutely- definitely a very poor choice of words - there is compelling evidence, particularly from Egypt that the October attacks were coming and I suspect because of the security around Gaza there was a degree of complacency from the IDF but that clearly is not the same as allowing something to happen and at a time of the not very bright being unable to see both sides of this complex situation, actually IMO, irresponsible and does call into question suitability as a MP representing all of his constituents.
However to suggest this is an example of the Labour Party being racist and antisemitic is as ridiculous as say the Conservatives are all racist towards Muslims - as Iíve said before itís this Trump like polarisation of views thatĎs destroying our society.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 15, 2024, 07:10:03 am
I see the country is now officially in recession. I wonder how the Tories and the Brexiteers are going to spin this one.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 15, 2024, 08:01:42 am
The market is basically flat, the stock markets didnít seem to care and the FTSE is up 28 points today 😎
Soon the interest rate will lower and we will have some tax cuts all thanks to the wonderful Conservative and Unionist Party.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on February 15, 2024, 08:20:40 am
But a long way behind the US which has recently seen record highs on the Dow and SP, with the Nasdaq not far behind.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on February 15, 2024, 08:26:04 am

The market is basically flat


Although officially a recession.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 15, 2024, 08:33:30 am
Soon the interest rate will lower and we will have some tax cuts all thanks to the wonderful Conservative and Unionist Party.

Ah yes, lower interest rates, back to where they were before Truss and Kwartang fŻcked up the economy. I am sure the nation would welcome that.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 15, 2024, 10:37:37 am
the idea of even mentioning tax cuts at this time can only be contemplated by someone who is either selfish or an idiot - there is no other option.

The sense of 'I'm alright jack' amongst these people, who don't care about society and just want to see their bank account rise with no care for the consequence. Then have the audacity to complain at the state of the country without realising their own cognitive dissonance.

Its actually disgusting..


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 15, 2024, 17:33:42 pm
PURE SCUM
https://news.sky.com/story/third-labour-politician-spoken-to-over-meeting-at-centre-of-antisemitism-row-13071272


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3667 on February 15, 2024, 17:44:58 pm
PURE SCUM
https://news.sky.com/story/third-labour-politician-spoken-to-over-meeting-at-centre-of-antisemitism-row-13071272
Odd that you donít mention the tory mayor of Salisbury! Kicked out of the tory party over alleged antisemitic comments. Cherrypicking again 😉


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 16, 2024, 06:28:37 am
Well done Wellingborough. Nice to see my home town leading the way and showing the nation what to do in either May or October this year - let's hope it is the former.

We need change, sooner rather than later.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3667 on February 16, 2024, 06:56:43 am
Well done Wellingborough. Nice to see my home town leading the way and showing the nation what to do in either May or October this year - let's hope it is the former.

We need change, sooner rather than later.
Change is in the air!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on February 16, 2024, 10:50:54 am
Well done Wellingborough. Nice to see my home town leading the way and showing the nation what to do in either May or October this year - let's hope it is the former.

We need change, sooner rather than later.

10/1 on 2025 election. These lot could cling on as long as possible. 7/1 on a Tory win but I'd keep my money.
Has to be this year realistically.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 16, 2024, 11:54:04 am
Elections can be cancelled (delayed) in times of war. Just saying, I wouldn't put it past them.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 16, 2024, 11:55:35 am
Very low turnout, means nothing, letís see what happens in 9 long months, Stammer is doing his level best to fcuk it up, long may it continue.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 16, 2024, 11:58:29 am
This is what the woke left are doing to our country, truly disgusting.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1867031/asylum-seekers-Northamptonshire-council


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on February 16, 2024, 12:09:02 pm
This is what the woke left are doing to our country, truly disgusting.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1867031/asylum-seekers-Northamptonshire-council

Usual Daily Mail, Express and Reform PartyĎs interpretation of the truth - yes the council did issue a compulsory purchase order believing the house was both unoccupied and derelict due to its condition- on realising the error immediately withdrew the order and apologised to the owners.

Personally I believe in the rationale of using property that is both derelict and unoccupied to address our homeless problems (whoever the homeless are) - my only surprise on this totally misleading story is they did not make out the owners were war veterans to further foster resentment amongst the ill informed.

Donít you ever research even a little beyond the divisive s***e peddled by these people before you post?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: EB Claret on February 16, 2024, 13:00:13 pm
This is what the woke left are doing to our country, truly disgusting.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1867031/asylum-seekers-Northamptonshire-council

North Northamptonshire Council is a Conservative lead council trying to find solutions to problems caused by a Conservative Governments policies. Truly disgusting? :o


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MCHammer on February 16, 2024, 13:21:51 pm
North Northamptonshire Council is a Conservative lead council trying to find solutions to problems caused by a Conservative Governments policies. Truly disgusting? :o

Was thinking the exact same thing.   ;D ;D

I mean the Tories have been the primary governing party since 2010!  At what stage do they accept their responsbility?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MCHammer on February 16, 2024, 13:28:11 pm
PURE SCUM
https://news.sky.com/story/third-labour-politician-spoken-to-over-meeting-at-centre-of-antisemitism-row-13071272

See if you can spot the difference between the way Labour handled these situations vs how long some of the tory MPs hung on with the help of their cronies.  The Government literally ignored reports and tried to change the rules to protect some of their own rather than doing what was right.

I know what I would prefer.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on February 16, 2024, 13:33:40 pm
I do wonder how labour will make any tangible difference when they get in. Ultimately it has been a cycle of labour/tory sh*t (the Tories had a run from Churchill to Heath) for the past 100 years.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 16, 2024, 13:45:04 pm
I do wonder how labour will make any tangible difference when they get in.

There is one way to find out. Looking forward to it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3667 on February 16, 2024, 13:56:18 pm
14 years of tory government, Iíd like someone to state the positives 🍿


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on February 16, 2024, 15:05:37 pm
14 years of tory government, Iíd like someone to state the positives 🍿


.....and perhaps add the Brexit benefits - I'd like to hear the spin on the UK's poor GDP versus the EU as it might be difficult to blame Ukraine, Covid or even Corbyn.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on February 16, 2024, 15:13:03 pm
This is what the woke left are doing to our country, truly disgusting.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1867031/asylum-seekers-Northamptonshire-council

Very Pavlovian Manny. Within hours of the UK people telling us what they really think of the 14 year disaster Tories, you blow you Fcukin dog whistle. Division and culture wars are the last thing you and your blue mates / press have.
I am puzzled why you havenít jumped ship to the Reform party Manny. I honestly thing youíd be happier. Just thinking of your mental health over the next 9 months.
I really think the only Tory voters left are jingoistic over 70ís sitting on pensions going up more than inflation and no mortgage to worry about!
Anyway, well done Gen and the good folks of Wellingborough. I hope my 3 days of leaflet delivering lead to at least a dozen votes for her.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on February 16, 2024, 15:26:35 pm

.....and perhaps add the Brexit benefits - I'd like to hear the spin on the UK's poor GDP versus the EU as it might be difficult to blame Ukraine, Covid or even Corbyn.

Good point Peter.

Maybe we should ask Laura Trott - Tory Treasury Minister. In her recent interview with Evan Davis she confirmed that she doesnít understand debt, GDP and indeed percentages!!
Thank goodness sheís not black and Labour - the right wing press would have hung her out to dry!!

If you havenít heard it, itís worth a listen and confirms just why we are in the mess we are!

https://youtu.be/l7G5s_0ykhE?si=Jy0GBnT-eSgV2tx_


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3667 on February 16, 2024, 15:29:31 pm
They did give us ďtruss and kwartengĒ the best comedy double act since the Chuckle Brothers, and mogg the 1st of cloud cuckoo land as well!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 16, 2024, 15:32:58 pm
They did give us ďtruss and kwartengĒ the best comedy double act since the Chuckle Brothers,
Future pub quiz question!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: guest3667 on February 16, 2024, 15:55:21 pm
Future pub quiz question!
A starter for 10 🥳


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: itsme on February 16, 2024, 19:22:20 pm
As part of the Wellingborough constituency I voted tactical and different to what I normally would to help make sure of a certain outcome not sure I would at a main election


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 16, 2024, 22:04:32 pm
the idea of even mentioning tax cuts at this time can only be contemplated by someone who is either selfish or an idiot - there is no other option.

The sense of 'I'm alright jack' amongst these people, who don't care about society and just want to see their bank account rise with no care for the consequence. Then have the audacity to complain at the state of the country without realising their own cognitive dissonance.

Its actually disgusting..
When you cut taxes people have more disposable income. If they spend it, they generate VAT payments. The companies products and services they have brought then receive more revenue, and the companies pay tax on that. This has a knock on effect with their suppliers and so on. As a result, it also generates employment, and those individuals pay tax. Higher taxation can have the polar opposite effect in terms of revenue streams to the treasury, and historically has indeed proven to do so. Therefore, it is possible to lower taxation and increase revenue streams for vital services. Case in point, Labours high taxation policy in the early 70ís led to the highest percentage levels of poverty since the 18th century. The point is that lower/higher taxation doesnít necessarily have the impact one may imagine. What I would encourage people to do is see through the political bķlls*** that invariably accompanies these announcements either way. The reality is not always as clear cut as youíd imagine, donít believe the hype.

The benefits of lower taxation should always be a consideration, but that can include raising the minimum threshold for tax payments. Raising the minimum wage is also a consideration, as that can also generate more disposable income. The problem is that many political decisions are based on whatís best for the party rather than whatís best for the country.

https://www.borgenmagazine.com/inside-the-countries-with-the-lowest-poverty-rates/


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 17, 2024, 06:39:49 am
When you cut taxes people have more disposable income. If they spend it, they generate VAT payments. The companies products and services they have brought then receive more revenue, and the companies pay tax on that. This has a knock on effect with their suppliers and so on. As a result, it also generates employment, and those individuals pay tax. Higher taxation can have the polar opposite effect in terms of revenue streams to the treasury, and historically has indeed proven to do so. Therefore, it is possible to lower taxation and increase revenue streams for vital services. Case in point, Labours high taxation policy in the early 70ís led to the highest percentage levels of poverty since the 18th century. The point is that lower/higher taxation doesnít necessarily have the impact one may imagine. What I would encourage people to do is see through the political bķlls*** that invariably accompanies these announcements either way. The reality is not always as clear cut as youíd imagine, donít believe the hype.

The benefits of lower taxation should always be a consideration, but that can include raising the minimum threshold for tax payments. Raising the minimum wage is also a consideration, as that can also generate more disposable income. The problem is that many political decisions are based on whatís best for the party rather than whatís best for the country.

https://www.borgenmagazine.com/inside-the-countries-with-the-lowest-poverty-rates/

I see what you mean. When Michelle Mone was given all that taxpayers money for useless PPE equipment, at least she bought a yacht with some of it which meant she must have paid VAT on that yacht which means it's all good.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 17, 2024, 09:39:07 am
When you cut taxes people have more disposable income. If they spend it, they generate VAT payments. The companies products and services they have brought then receive more revenue, and the companies pay tax on that. This has a knock on effect with their suppliers and so on. As a result, it also generates employment, and those individuals pay tax.

The benefits of lower taxation should always be a consideration, but that can include raising the minimum threshold for tax payments. Raising the minimum wage is also a consideration, as that can also generate more disposable income.

Some good ideas above. Let's tax the rich and businesses more - they will still make plenty, so let's not pretend that they are going to leave the country. Use the extra income to fund raising the tax thresholds that will allow people to spend more, generating more jobs as detailed above. We could also employ more people to do the public services that have been hammered since austerity, which has left the country in the state we have seen over quite some time.

But most of all, let's get the messaging right from the top that we are doing this because it is right for the people of this country - all of us, for want of a better phrase, for the many, not the few. And by messaging, I mean leading by example.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 17, 2024, 10:01:06 am
I see what you mean. When Michelle Mone was given all that taxpayers money for useless PPE equipment, at least she bought a yacht with some of it which meant she must have paid VAT on that yacht which means it's all good.
Having seen the way you struggle applying basic statistics, I wouldnít waste your time trying to get your head around all this mate.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on February 17, 2024, 10:57:05 am
Lower taxes for the masses are a must for the country to have any chance of recovery, but more must be done to encourage people to spend that extra disposable income in the UK and on British products. A start for that would be to stop the import of cheap food and get people to buy local.
Obviously the ideal situation is that everyone is employed making/providing things that will be sold in the UK and will take their annual holiday in the UK and buy nothing imported, but this has to start with government and the supplies that are purchased for government bodies, especially large value items such as vehicles.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 17, 2024, 10:58:26 am
https://www.moore.co.uk/msuk/moore-south/news/april-2016/the-tax-system-explained-using-a-beer-analogy

I think I've posted this before but I'll post it again because I think it's a clever analogy.

Piling into the wallets of the rich seldom has the desired effect, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Welly Cobb on February 17, 2024, 11:31:34 am
Not only has that argument got its on straw man in it, but it also doesnt consider that the 10th man pays the same as the 3rd for his drink, as he's incorporated off shore and pays himself by taking a loan out on his shares.

A balooning gini coeffecient hasn't led to burgeoning quality of life increases, just property and stock asset bubbles. I would agree with sing that the best thing for the economy would be the lowest 70% holding more disposable income whether that be lower taxes, high wages, higher benefits or a combination of all, as they're the only one that gain dispoable income to be active participants in the economy.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 17, 2024, 14:00:04 pm
Having seen the way you struggle applying basic statistics, I wouldnít waste your time trying to get your head around all this mate.

I don't do statistics mate, just report facts. When you find one wrong, let me know.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 17, 2024, 17:44:21 pm
I don't do statistics mate, just report facts. When you find one wrong, let me know.
When you stop trying to draw conclusions the above will be a fact, but at the moment itís bůllocks, sorry.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 17, 2024, 17:52:23 pm
When you stop trying to draw conclusions the above will be a fact, but at the moment itís bůllocks, sorry.

You are really are a bit slow on the up take. For the umpteenth time I do not draw conclusions, I just give you the data. It's up to others to draw their own conclusions but whatever they are, they are not facts, just opinions.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 17, 2024, 18:10:59 pm
You are really are a bit slow on the up take. For the umpteenth time I do not draw conclusions, I just give you the data. It's up to others to draw their own conclusions but whatever they are, they are not facts, just opinions.
🤣 Course you donít.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 17, 2024, 21:02:09 pm
🤣 Course you donít.

Maybe I should have said I don't draw conclusions any more or less than anybody else who can see the data.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 17, 2024, 23:37:15 pm
Maybe I should have said I don't draw conclusions any more or less than anybody else who can see the data.
What happens when the data is subversively corrupted? In any event, as you have now contradicted yourself it seems rather than being slow on the uptake, I was right on the money. 😉


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 18, 2024, 06:51:10 am
What happens when the data is subversively corrupted? In any event, as you have now contradicted yourself it seems rather than being slow on the uptake, I was right on the money. 😉

Well, I'm always happy to give my opinion should somebody ask it however I'd prefer people to weigh up the data and make up their own minds. It's gratifying to see now more people willing to accept some of the things I've been saying.

Let me explain how it works. I think something, for example like when Hoskins missed the Bradford game through suspension and we not only won but we played so well, I hoped that Brady would stick with that side for at least one more game, just to reward those that had played and to warn others that if you lose your place in the side you will have to fight to get it back. When I voiced those thoughts I was pretty much unanimously dismissed on here and came in for some flak. So I then for the first time looked into the data regarding games when Hoskins didn't play, not knowing how they would work out but just following a hunch and low and behold that hunch seem to be backed up by the raw data. I put my findings on here and they were again dismissed. Fine, they were a very small sample but the evidence has since grown, we have now played League 13 games without Hoskins since Brady became manager, we've won 8, drawn 3 and lost 2 and scored 1 more goal for every two games played. That's slightly over a quarter of a season and carried on throughout a campaign is not just promotion form but title winning form. I'm not surprised more people are now drawing the same conclusion as me and for my own part I wonder if a side without Hoskins would ever have been considered had I not produced the data. Of course my problem is others can just say it's all rubbish, try to make out any other old excuse but can't back it up with any hard facts. That I'm afraid is life, not just in football but in politics as well. (back on track)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 18, 2024, 09:26:57 am
I don't do statistics mate, just report facts. When you find one wrong, let me know.
Last seasons POTS result.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 18, 2024, 10:02:33 am
Last seasons POTS result.

Well even there it started as an experiment, I wasn't trying to get any individual the prize, just noticed how easy it was to affect the result of any given match. The point is, if more people voted or points were only awarded to the player who got the most votes each game, it would be impossible to influence the outcome. I've pointed that out yet it's still being done in the old way and there are still very few people vote each week. In truth it's not a big deal and I don't vote any more.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 18, 2024, 11:12:35 am
Well even there it started as an experiment, I wasn't trying to get any individual the prize, just noticed how easy it was to affect the result of any given match. The point is, if more people voted or points were only awarded to the player who got the most votes each game, it would be impossible to influence the outcome. I've pointed that out yet it's still being done in the old way and there are still very few people vote each week. In truth it's not a big deal and I don't vote any more.
For what itís worth, the truth is that was a simplistic set of data that was used to confirm who the people on this forum thought was the player of the season and you manipulated it for self serving reasons. Therefore your motives and any subsequent associated data you may present going forward is sometimes going to have a question mark against it. So as a result IMO this supercilious attitude youíve adopted that invariably accompanies the ďfactsĒ you post is gratuitous, particularly when people dare to question it. It doesnít take away the fact that much of it is interesting though.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MCHammer on February 18, 2024, 13:39:12 pm
Well even there it started as an experiment, I wasn't trying to get any individual the prize, just noticed how easy it was to affect the result of any given match. The point is, if more people voted or points were only awarded to the player who got the most votes each game, it would be impossible to influence the outcome. I've pointed that out yet it's still being done in the old way and there are still very few people vote each week. In truth it's not a big deal and I don't vote any more.

So again a prime example of how a single variable (you) can affect the outcome of a small collection of data.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 18, 2024, 14:10:36 pm
So again a prime example of how a single variable (you) can affect the outcome of a small collection of data.

50 matches, 25 votes in each, so roughly 1250 votes in total? I wouldn't call that a small collection of data.

You know I choose to tell people I did that. I could have kept quiet and continued to affect the result. That was never my intention. It's the flawed system.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: BackOfTheNet on February 18, 2024, 14:21:04 pm


You know I choose to tell people I did that. I could have kept quiet and continued to affect the result. That was never my intention. It's the flawed system.

That's a bit like saying "Yes, I stole a crate of beer from Morrisons every week by stowing it under my trolley* but it's Morrisons' fault for putting the shelf there."

* true story by the way. Not me, but someone I used to know. They were also very proud of never paying for toilet roll in their life.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 18, 2024, 14:41:07 pm
That's a bit like saying "Yes, I stole a crate of beer from Morrisons every week by stowing it under my trolley* but it's Morrisons' fault for putting the shelf there."

* true story by the way. Not me, but someone I used to know. They were also very proud of never paying for toilet roll in their life.

Really? Me using my vote as I saw fit is akin to shoplifting? Wow.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MCHammer on February 18, 2024, 14:52:11 pm
50 matches, 25 votes in each, so roughly 1250 votes in total? I wouldn't call that a small collection of data.

You know I choose to tell people I did that. I could have kept quiet and continued to affect the result. That was never my intention. It's the flawed system.

Is 25 votes a week a large amount oif data or small?  Because that's the data you were directly affecting.  I mean you literally said in your previous post "if more people had voted" you would not have been able to affect the outcome.

I point all this out because volume of data and variables matter when it comes to drawing conclusions from data.  You clearly understand this as you have pointed it out yourself.  If the data is small, relitively, a single variable like yourself can affect it.  As you proved.  Now apply that logic to some of your other uses of data on this site from which you form your opinion.

As for the vote and your conduct...my opinion for what it's worth...just seemed a bit childish to be honest.  I mean you realise you could have just told the vote organiser of the issue without the need to actually do it?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 18, 2024, 15:21:21 pm
Is 25 votes a week a large amount oif data or small?  Because that's the data you were directly affecting.  I mean you literally said in your previous post "if more people had voted" you would not have been able to affect the outcome.

I point all this out because volume of data and variables matter when it comes to drawing conclusions from data.  You clearly understand this as you have pointed it out yourself.  If the data is small, relitively, a single variable like yourself can affect it.  As you proved.  Now apply that logic to some of your other uses of data on this site from which you form your opinion.

As for the vote and your conduct...my opinion for what it's worth...just seemed a bit childish to be honest.  I mean you realise you could have just told the vote organiser of the issue without the need to actually do it?

Curiosity.

As for childish, you eant to read some of your recent posts.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on February 18, 2024, 15:51:07 pm
Manny, please post some rabid right wing views so I can actually argue about politics on a politic thread rather than the complete nonsense that this has diverted to................


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on February 18, 2024, 18:12:40 pm
I do wonder how labour will make any tangible difference when they get in. Ultimately it has been a cycle of labour/tory sh*t (the Tories had a run from Churchill to Heath) for the past 100 years.

Did anyone correct this ?

Pipe smoker, Yorkshire man, served as PM twice.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 18, 2024, 19:47:46 pm
Manny, please post some rabid right wing views so I can actually argue about politics on a politic thread rather than the complete nonsense that this has diverted to................
They do go on a bit, donít they  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 18, 2024, 21:25:11 pm
They do go on a bit, donít they  ;D ;D

Come on Manny, we haven't had a decent rant from you for a while. You haven't given up hope have you? A couple of bye election defeats and you have thrown in the towel. I wouldn't want the likes of you alongside me in the trenches during our conscription stint.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 18, 2024, 23:12:01 pm
Manny, please post some rabid right wing views so I can actually argue about politics on a politic thread rather than the complete nonsense that this has diverted to................
Sorry Pete, does it count if itís forum politics?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 18, 2024, 23:32:23 pm
Really? Me using my vote as I saw fit is akin to shoplifting? Wow.
So in your head, you think that analogy was attempting to align the gravity of your stuff with shoplifting? Wow indeed.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on February 19, 2024, 08:03:10 am
Did anyone correct this ?

Pipe smoker, Yorkshire man, served as PM twice.

TBF I wasn't born for most of them, including Wilson's first stint. The sentiment remains. We'll have Labour for a bit and then the Tories take over, repeat.

It's time for the Monster Raving Looney Party:
"Redundant Red Phones boxes will be converted to bijou accommodation to ease the housing shortage."
"We propose to prevent identity theft instantly by calling everyone Chris."
"In an effort to reduce the problems faced by the NHS , it is proposed to reduce pregnancy from nine to seven months?"

Sensible politics.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 19, 2024, 08:53:34 am
TBF I wasn't born for most of them, including Wilson's first stint. The sentiment remains. We'll have Labour for a bit and then the Tories take over, repeat.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Zn3vWZMd/madness.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 19, 2024, 09:25:44 am
TBF I wasn't born for most of them, including Wilson's first stint. The sentiment remains. We'll have Labour for a bit and then the Tories take over, repeat.

It's time for the Monster Raving Looney Party:
"Redundant Red Phones boxes will be converted to bijou accommodation to ease the housing shortage."
"We propose to prevent identity theft instantly by calling everyone Chris."
"In an effort to reduce the problems faced by the NHS , it is proposed to reduce pregnancy from nine to seven months?"

Sensible politics.

My favourite policy of theirs was on defence. Creosote it.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on February 19, 2024, 10:21:01 am
(https://i.postimg.cc/Zn3vWZMd/madness.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Pretty easy to fill in the ?????
The question is what year for the change back comes after that.
It's like predicting the next relegation/promotion, although they happen more frequently.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on February 19, 2024, 10:57:09 am
Sorry Pete, does it count if itís forum politics?

I guess anything goes but I think arguing with Marvo is like arguing with oneís wife - you are never going to win!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 19, 2024, 11:44:31 am
"We propose to prevent identity theft instantly by calling everyone Chris."




That sounds like a good name to choose.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 19, 2024, 20:31:22 pm
I guess anything goes but I think arguing with Marvo is like arguing with oneís wife - you are never going to win!
I nearly did once.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 20, 2024, 08:31:40 am
After watching the first episode of Breathless on ITV yesterday evening, I was reminded how when doctors and nurses were contracting Covid through the lack of adequate PPE, some Tories saw this shortage not as a national emergency, but as an opportunity to line their and their friends pockets with sub standard equipment.
Still as we were told in the eighties, Greed is Good.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on February 20, 2024, 10:07:58 am
After watching the first episode of Breathless on ITV yesterday evening, I was reminded how when doctors and nurses were contracting Covid through the lack of adequate PPE, some Tories saw this shortage not as a national emergency, but as an opportunity to line their and their friends pockets with sub standard equipment.
Still as we were told in the eighties, Greed is Good.

Ö..& you have tossers like Piers Corbyn and Tissier who imply it was either a complete hoax or the vaccine has done more harm than good.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 20, 2024, 11:29:39 am
Ö..& you have tossers like Piers Corbyn and Tissier who imply it was either a complete hoax or the vaccine has done more harm than good.
Oh they're just delusional conspiracy idiots. However when presented with another's suffering, their first thought wasn't how can I make money from this.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 20, 2024, 12:18:08 pm
Oh they're just delusional conspiracy idiots. However when presented with another's suffering, their first thought wasn't how can I make money from this.
How bitter are the left, so much hatred.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on February 20, 2024, 12:23:07 pm
After watching the first episode of Breathless on ITV yesterday evening, I was reminded how when doctors and nurses were contracting Covid through the lack of adequate PPE, some Tories saw this shortage not as a national emergency, but as an opportunity to line their and their friends pockets with sub standard equipment.
Still as we were told in the eighties, Greed is Good.

Indeed greed is good SotC.
It buys you luxury boats and seats in the House of Lords while the little people who werenít ďbraveĒ enough to speculate with their own millions, get to stay at home and bury their dead (with no more than 12 mourners of course) while the brave Tory investors partied the day and night away.
And we all know that greed is clearly good because there are no repercussions of being dishonestly greedy. Indeed, you even get to keep your boat and your title.  Victimless crime really - itís only tax payers money and it isnít a crime to lie to the press!
Michelle Mone and BJ are the poster boy and girl of 14 years of Tory corruption, lies and greed. We can never hope for justice for these dregs of society but we can at least use our vote to make it is impossible for them to do it again.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 20, 2024, 13:33:20 pm
How bitter are the left, so much hatred.
That's it! I'm embarrassed now you've pointed it out. I was going to say that another one, Scott Benton had been caught on the make again today, and that being a Tory was less of a political identity, and more of a sign of a personality disorder, but your thorough, well researched, and persuasive point has changed my mind.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on February 20, 2024, 13:36:38 pm
Ö..& you have tossers like Piers Corbyn and Tissier who imply it was either a complete hoax or the vaccine has done more harm than good.

The first tripe I read online when Wrighty died was the vax he had and that he was "another one" gone because of it. I do try to avoid certain outlets for my own well being.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 20, 2024, 13:50:03 pm
The first tripe I read online when Wrighty died was the vax he had and that he was "another one" gone because of it. I do try to avoid certain outlets for my own well being.
Yeah, if only he could have forced a few more Big Macs down his gullet he probably would have been OK.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on February 21, 2024, 17:38:15 pm
Pathetic scenes in the commons. Embarrassing.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: itsme on February 21, 2024, 20:24:42 pm
Really is pathetic and not sure any of them deserve to be there or in power


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 22, 2024, 15:42:23 pm
That's it! I'm embarrassed now you've pointed it out. I was going to say that another one, Scott Benton had been caught on the make again today, and that being a Tory was less of a political identity, and more of a sign of a personality disorder, but your thorough, well researched, and persuasive point has changed my mind.
So influenced by the mass media, shame.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on February 22, 2024, 21:16:50 pm
So influenced by the mass media, shame.

Ö. agreed, the mail and express are vile news (sic) outlets, with objectives from their owners who contribute nothing and have no concern for the well being of our country.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 23, 2024, 09:54:37 am
Ö. agreed, the mail and express are vile news (sic) outlets, with objectives from their owners who contribute nothing and have no concern for the well being of our country.
Equally with the mainstream left wing press like the Guardian and the not so Independent, not to mention Socialist Worker and other forms of toilet paper.
There is no independent media FACT.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 23, 2024, 10:07:40 am
Equally with the mainstream left wing press like the Guardian and the not so Independent, not to mention Socialist Worker and other forms of toilet paper.
There is no independent media FACT.

What's the circulation of those compared to the Mail, Sun, Express etc?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 23, 2024, 13:43:08 pm
What's the circulation of those compared to the Mail, Sun, Express etc?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Exactly Marvo, no one wants to read that bitter bollŰx.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 23, 2024, 14:23:13 pm
Exactly Marvo, no one wants to read that bitter bollŰx.

If no one reads it, what have you been whining on about?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 23, 2024, 14:34:45 pm
If no one reads it, what have you been whining on about?
No one with a brain, just fcuking wokeys who think they have  an entitlement to everything for nothing.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on February 23, 2024, 23:16:15 pm
Morning Star for the news and Morningstar for the investments.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 24, 2024, 00:02:46 am
Morning Star for the news and Morningstar for the investments.
For Cutns.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on February 24, 2024, 06:54:57 am
For Cutns.
Seems a bit divergent doesn't it?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 25, 2024, 07:22:30 am
Oh dear, 30p Lee has blotted his copy book again. Who ever thought he would be a sensible choice to be deputy leader of any political party, let alone a mainstream one in government, supposedly setting out the values that we should live our lives by?

Manny, is he one of your favourites? Saying what he believes real people really think but are too scared to say?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on February 26, 2024, 15:27:37 pm
Oh dear, 30p Lee has blotted his copy book again. Who ever thought he would be a sensible choice to be deputy leader of any political party, let alone a mainstream one in government, supposedly setting out the values that we should live our lives by?

Manny, is he one of your favourites? Saying what he believes real people really think but are too scared to say?

Caught up and followed this today.
What an unsavoury looking racist he is. At least they are spreading them around the parties. Maybe I'm being wokey.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 26, 2024, 15:56:55 pm
Following on from my viewing of "One Life", I decided to watch Schindler's list again, been over 20 years since I last saw it.

It's a tough watch and I'd forgotten most of it. I recalled the little girl in the red coat and the commandant shooting people whenever the fancy took him but apart from that it was like a first time view. When you think its based on a true story, its quite disturbing and you do wonder however anything like this could be allowed to happen. Why did ordinary people reject this action and why were they so complicit? I understand the "I was just following orders" but I don't see how I could ever have walked into a room and gunned down other human beings, especially children, that were offering no threat.

This brings up back to the likes of 20p Lee, Farage and Suella and the damage they are doing. Letting people and children drown in the channel, sending them back to war torn countries, keeping them locked up, not allowing them to work and contribute or flying them off to African countries none of us would want to even visit. It may not be putting them into gas chambers but it's a slippery road we find ourselves on and it's time we remembered our humanity because one day it could be our turn.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Larry on February 26, 2024, 18:45:55 pm
Following on from my viewing of "One Life", I decided to watch Schindler's list again, been over 20 years since I last saw it.

It's a tough watch and I'd forgotten most of it. I recalled the little girl in the red coat and the commandant shooting people whenever the fancy took him but apart from that it was like a first time view. When you think its based on a true story, its quite disturbing and you do wonder however anything like this could be allowed to happen. Why did ordinary people reject this action and why were they so complicit? I understand the "I was just following orders" but I don't see how I could ever have walked into a room and gunned down other human beings, especially children, that were offering no threat.

This brings up back to the likes of 20p Lee, Farage and Suella and the damage they are doing. Letting people and children drown in the channel, sending them back to war torn countries, keeping them locked up, not allowing them to work and contribute or flying them off to African countries none of us would want to even visit. It may not be putting them into gas chambers but it's a slippery road we find ourselves on and it's time we remembered our humanity because one day it could be our turn.

That's the best post you have ever written.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on February 26, 2024, 19:19:33 pm
Following on from my viewing of "One Life", I decided to watch Schindler's list again, been over 20 years since I last saw it.

It's a tough watch and I'd forgotten most of it. I recalled the little girl in the red coat and the commandant shooting people whenever the fancy took him but apart from that it was like a first time view. When you think its based on a true story, its quite disturbing and you do wonder however anything like this could be allowed to happen. Why did ordinary people reject this action and why were they so complicit? I understand the "I was just following orders" but I don't see how I could ever have walked into a room and gunned down other human beings, especially children, that were offering no threat.

This brings up back to the likes of 20p Lee, Farage and Suella and the damage they are doing. Letting people and children drown in the channel, sending them back to war torn countries, keeping them locked up, not allowing them to work and contribute or flying them off to African countries none of us would want to even visit. It may not be putting them into gas chambers but it's a slippery road we find ourselves on and it's time we remembered our humanity because one day it could be our turn.

I'm not sure of the origin of this, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" and the German people did nothing even though they knew exactly what was going on. There was one village/town(the name escapes me) where the locals stood their ground and refused to hand over the Jews in that area and the authorities backed down and did nothing, obviously realising that to turn on their own people could start the downfall of the Reich.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 27, 2024, 07:07:47 am
I'm not sure of the origin of this, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" and the German people did nothing even though they knew exactly what was going on. There was one village/town(the name escapes me) where the locals stood their ground and refused to hand over the Jews in that area and the authorities backed down and did nothing, obviously realising that to turn on their own people could start the downfall of the Reich.

Yes, should have been didn't. Typing error.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 27, 2024, 13:17:13 pm
Oh dear, 30p Lee has blotted his copy book again. Who ever thought he would be a sensible choice to be deputy leader of any political party, let alone a mainstream one in government, supposedly setting out the values that we should live our lives by?

Manny, is he one of your favourites? Saying what he believes real people really think but are too scared to say?
Do you think no one supports what he said, maybe everyone in Britain is racist.
This country is letting radical Islamist into this country on inflatable boats, the next terror attack wont belong, but of course anyone that stands up against this is a racists.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Peter Frost on February 27, 2024, 15:36:58 pm
Do you think no one supports what he said, maybe everyone in Britain is racist.
This country is letting radical Islamist into this country on inflatable boats, the next terror attack wont belong, but of course anyone that stands up against this is a racists.


So just to move the discussion up to a more factual basis - in 2022 (the latest verified figures) there were close to 45,000 "illegal" entries to the UK - of which 19 are under investigation as possible extremists.

Now I agree due to lack of visibility there are likely to be more than 19 but don't all those figure just illustrate the need for a proper asylum screening process in mainland Europe - the French have offered to host such a facility and we have refused - which simply suggests the current administration actually want the situation to get worse so they can fan their right wing agenda. It's an interesting paradox that they clearly want the uncontrolled immigration issue to get worse - blame it on the high court, blame it on woke, blame it on the inevitable future labour government - when of course  the blame actually lies with the current administration for their non deliverable policy on immigration and of course the Brexit decision that has clearly made matters worse  FFS they have been in power for 14 years and apparently taken back control of our borders! - as for Lee Anderson he is just a duel useful idiot for the conservative hard right and the incredibly weak Prime Minister in much the same way as Farage was a duel useful idiot for Trump and the Kremlin.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 27, 2024, 16:45:54 pm
This country is letting radical Islamist into this country on inflatable boats,


How do you know that they are radical Islamists? And how do you know that those who are will be future terrorists? Undoubtedly, some will be Muslim, but that doesn't make them extreme or even those who are would be minded to commit acts of violence.

I don't expect that all those who leave Northern Ireland to come to the UK, who follow any variation of Christianity would want to impose it on other people by brain washing them or enacting violence.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 27, 2024, 18:19:28 pm
How do you know that they are radical Islamists? And how do you know that those who are will be future terrorists? Undoubtedly, some will be Muslim, but that doesn't make them extreme or even those who are would be minded to commit acts of violence.
Because they carry no ID ?
I could continue, but it would take far too long.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 27, 2024, 18:49:06 pm
Because they carry no ID ?
I could continue, but it would take far too long.



I suspect that if you are fleeing from war and your home has been bombed, it is difficult to get hold of the correct paperwork. If those persecuting you arrive on your doorstep with machetes or AK47s, you don't politely ask them to wait for a moment whilst you get your shÓt together, you flee as fast as you can and are on the back foot forever more. No nipping off to the nearest British embassy to get a visa - I don't think there are ones in Kabul or Damascus any more. Afghan special forces id doesn't seem to count for much either in this country, so I suppose it is probably best to ditch that rather than let it incriminate you.

I could continue but it would take far too long.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: singcobb on February 27, 2024, 19:10:33 pm
I suspect that if you are fleeing from war and your home has been bombed, it is difficult to get hold of the correct paperwork. If those persecuting you arrive on your doorstep with machetes or AK47s, you don't politely ask them to wait for a moment whilst you get your shît together, you flee as fast as you can and are on the back foot forever more. No nipping off to the nearest British embassy to get a visa - I don't think there are ones in Kabul or Damascus any more. Afghan special forces id doesn't seem to count for much either in this country, so I suppose it is probably best to ditch that rather than let it incriminate you.

I could continue but it would take far too long.

The problem I have is that if you are fleeing a war surely you would bring you're wife and kids. Also if you are a genuine refugee you would present you passport and request asylum. The fact that these people coming in on the boats fail to present travel documents on arrival instantly makes them illegal immigrants.

I don't think that anyone has a problem with genuine immigrants(myself and a few others on here are immigrants who have been welcomed to our host countries) or genuine asylum seekers fleeing from war torn countries(I had asylum seekers from Bosnia working with me in Malaysia who had seen things that no person should ever see). These men(because it is only men) coming on the boats are an invading army and if you can't see that then to be honest you are part of the problem, bleeding heart liberals who just cannot see the facts in front of them. The sort that think it's OK for the LBGTI'mafúckingteapot brigade to perform pornographic shows in our schools.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Barty on February 27, 2024, 19:26:30 pm
Wow


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 27, 2024, 20:09:24 pm
I suspect that if you are fleeing from war and your home has been bombed, it is difficult to get hold of the correct paperwork. If those persecuting you arrive on your doorstep with machetes or AK47s, you don't politely ask them to wait for a moment whilst you get your shÓt together, you flee as fast as you can and are on the back foot forever more. No nipping off to the nearest British embassy to get a visa - I don't think there are ones in Kabul or Damascus any more. Afghan special forces id doesn't seem to count for much either in this country, so I suppose it is probably best to ditch that rather than let it incriminate you.

I could continue but it would take far too long.
Mate, you and I both know that I am correct, but hang on to your ideals. If you genuinely believe that the young, male, spotty face youths have left Kabul or Damascus, and travelled across Europe to get to Calais, whilst being persued with AK47s or machetes, then you are in cuckoo land. It is obvious why they are in the dingies. A couple of weeks ago, I was in town and there was a queue of people stretching from Northgate to Mcdonalds down the Drapery. ALL OF THEM, were young males (no families), with a new suitcase. There was a load of hi-viz security escorting them onto the buses, and then presumably onto the nice hotels.
I fully expect to get a load of abuse for my observation, but I just tell the truth. And I am thick skinned.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 27, 2024, 20:11:56 pm
I suspect that if you are fleeing from war and your home has been bombed, it is difficult to get hold of the correct paperwork. If those persecuting you arrive on your doorstep with machetes or AK47s, you don't politely ask them to wait for a moment whilst you get your shÓt together, you flee as fast as you can and are on the back foot forever more. No nipping off to the nearest British embassy to get a visa - I don't think there are ones in Kabul or Damascus any more. Afghan special forces id doesn't seem to count for much either in this country, so I suppose it is probably best to ditch that rather than let it incriminate you.

I could continue but it would take far too long.

I donít want to get embroiled in this. But you must think that you might grab the wife and kids as you runaway. Yet the channel crossings are 87% male. With evidence that nearly all of their families are not displaced in the countries of their origin.

You have to admit, thatís a bit damning.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Larry on February 27, 2024, 20:19:10 pm
The problem I have is that if you are fleeing a war surely you would bring you're wife and kids.


They know it's an extremely dangerous journey so many take the decision for the men to go first, leaving their families in the refugee camps. Just be grateful you are not faced with having to make that sort of decision in your life.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 27, 2024, 20:32:09 pm
They know it's an extremely dangerous journey so many take the decision for the men to go first, leaving their families in the refugee camps. Just be grateful you are not faced with having to make that sort of decision in your life.
Yeah it must be terrible coming all that way to set up people trafficking, prostitution and drug trafficking, fŻcking  wake up, where do you think Ezidi came from?
You lefties live in a fantasy world.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 27, 2024, 20:46:07 pm
They know it's an extremely dangerous journey so many take the decision for the men to go first, leaving their families in the refugee camps. Just be grateful you are not faced with having to make that sort of decision in your life.
Very dangerous, but there are no families in the refugee camps. JUST MILITARY AGE MALES. just take a long look Larry, and reconsider your response. I feel that you may change your mind in a couple of years.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Worthless Recluse on February 27, 2024, 20:52:59 pm
When does an asylum seeker morph into an economic migrant?
The moment they disregard their own mortality and attempt to cross the busiest shipping lane in the world in inflatables not fit for purpose?



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 27, 2024, 21:04:51 pm
When does an asylum seeker morph into an economic migrant?
When they decide that there is a better future elsewhere. Until the only option is Rwanda. Then watch them squeal about how unfair it is.




Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 27, 2024, 21:52:32 pm
Now it's only one person, but Younger Boy Binger's science teacher crossed the channel in the back of a truck as a bearded 14 year old, so looked older. The Taliban had murdered his dad and older brothers and his mum and sisters were raped and abducted and he has never heard of them again.

No papers, people not believing his story or his age, but eventually allowed to stay. He is very grateful for the chance to start again and makes a difference to others and contributes to the economy of our country. He would love to be back home in Afghanistan, but it would be too dangerous for him and his life is in this country now. He has a British wife and of course has British children. As it happens, he is a practicing Muslim, but neither he nor I think he is an extremist.

I might be in cuckoo land, but I think he is not the only one who has made a massive difference in their life and the lives of others by being able to escape to here. I really hope it won't be any of us who have to go through the same thing at some point in the future.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 27, 2024, 22:10:41 pm
Now it's only one person, but Younger Boy Binger's science teacher crossed the channel in the back of a truck as a bearded 14 year old, so looked older. The Taliban had murdered his dad and older brothers and his mum and sisters were raped and abducted and he has never heard of them again.

No papers, people not believing his story or his age, but eventually allowed to stay. He is very grateful for the chance to start again and makes a difference to others and contributes to the economy of our country. He would love to be back home in Afghanistan, but it would be too dangerous for him and his life is in this country now. He has a British wife and of course has British children. As it happens, he is a practicing Muslim, but neither he nor I think he is an extremist.

I might be in cuckoo land, but I think he is not the only one who has made a massive difference in their life and the lives of others by being able to escape to here. I really hope it won't be any of us who have to go through the same thing at some point in the future.
For ever example you give there are a hundred murders, muggers, rapists and terrorists.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672735/half-of-British-rape-suspects-are-foreign
https://unherd.com/2021/04/swedens-migrant-rape-crisis/
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/four-teenage-asylum-seekers-arrested-after-teenage-girl-15-allegedly-raped/
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/asylum-seeker-charged-rape-skegness/
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/afghan-migrant-deported-raping-school-070000190.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEs1bvgHG8QFVApYrE7zFKhAFYF73ILQ4cPOkWSDTq_XJ8wa3lZaB8YRksmB4I5W4jI1FleUOUswEZ8cmGFYy-wEqTF5Y5SUQjZFd5l44jRsQ0Przg2h3AwOpnKYnq2l7rJjxSdM9FNUQWa26eGpFDV4WmA4-POeNjS5v3qY1YBk






Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on February 28, 2024, 07:08:44 am
For ever example you give there are a hundred murders, muggers, rapists and terrorists.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672735/half-of-British-rape-suspects-are-foreign
https://unherd.com/2021/04/swedens-migrant-rape-crisis/
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/four-teenage-asylum-seekers-arrested-after-teenage-girl-15-allegedly-raped/
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/asylum-seeker-charged-rape-skegness/
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/afghan-migrant-deported-raping-school-070000190.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEs1bvgHG8QFVApYrE7zFKhAFYF73ILQ4cPOkWSDTq_XJ8wa3lZaB8YRksmB4I5W4jI1FleUOUswEZ8cmGFYy-wEqTF5Y5SUQjZFd5l44jRsQ0Przg2h3AwOpnKYnq2l7rJjxSdM9FNUQWa26eGpFDV4WmA4-POeNjS5v3qY1YBk






Is that really the ratio? 1:100?

So of the 1.2 million people who entered the UK last year, 12000 were honest decent folk and 1188000 were murderers, muggers, rapists and terrorists. Looks like the government are going to need to invest more in the police and the prison service.  Or this another Manny FACT.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: southofthecounty on February 28, 2024, 09:23:54 am
Of course the Tories want these immigrants. They will work on the black market for £3 a hour, suppressing others wages, and boosting profits of the business owning classes.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on February 28, 2024, 10:13:53 am
These 'immigrants' also take all of our GP/dentist spaces, all of the best social housing, fleece the benefits system and drive around in government funded new cars. FACT*
My lazy bias used to think the 'imported' labour was generally harder working and more reliable than 'home grown' talent but I have seen enough now to know you get the full range!


TBF my only direct experience was taking a property over from a Polish named couple. My, did they run up a lot of credit card and loan debts and had numerous names associated with the address. I wouldn't sleep at night! I'm sure there are a lot of people in that position, so again the nationality may be immaterial.

*I read it in the Daily Mail comments.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 28, 2024, 12:00:56 pm
Now it's only one person, but Younger Boy Binger's science teacher crossed the channel in the back of a truck as a bearded 14 year old, so looked older. The Taliban had murdered his dad and older brothers and his mum and sisters were raped and abducted and he has never heard of them again.

No papers, people not believing his story or his age, but eventually allowed to stay. He is very grateful for the chance to start again and makes a difference to others and contributes to the economy of our country. He would love to be back home in Afghanistan, but it would be too dangerous for him and his life is in this country now. He has a British wife and of course has British children. As it happens, he is a practicing Muslim, but neither he nor I think he is an extremist.

I might be in cuckoo land, but I think he is not the only one who has made a massive difference in their life and the lives of others by being able to escape to here. I really hope it won't be any of us who have to go through the same thing at some point in the future.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on February 28, 2024, 12:29:52 pm
Is that really the ratio? 1:100?

So of the 1.2 million people who entered the UK last year, 12000 were honest decent folk and 1188000 were murderers, muggers, rapists and terrorists. Looks like the government are going to need to invest more in the police and the prison service.  Or this another Manny FACT.
Many have requested this information via the freedom of information route from the ONS, MoJ etc it has been denied, wonder why?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 28, 2024, 12:57:31 pm
I donít want to get embroiled in this. But you must think that you might grab the wife and kids as you runaway. Yet the channel crossings are 87% male. With evidence that nearly all of their families are not displaced in the countries of their origin.

You have to admit, thatís a bit damning.

 ;D

Like you, I wont get embroiled in it. But this just made me chuckle!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on March 01, 2024, 08:50:17 am
Rochdale,  :o
This is what our country has become, immigration on a biblical scale, utterly unacceptable.
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/suella-braverman-migration-figures


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Barty on March 01, 2024, 09:07:32 am
I see the words gbnews and suella braverman and think nah. Dog whistles!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on March 01, 2024, 09:17:04 am
Rochdale,  :o
This is what our country has become, immigration on a biblical scale, utterly unacceptable.
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/suella-braverman-migration-figures

Someone should 'send her back' and I don't mean to Harrow. Her hubby could 'go home' too.
No one will want to come here when Putin starts nuking us anyway.  :P


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on March 01, 2024, 09:33:26 am
Someone should 'send her back' and I don't mean to Harrow. Her hubby could 'go home' too.
No one will want to come here when Putin starts nuking us anyway.  :P

If he nukes Peterborough, how would anybody know?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: DavCobb on March 01, 2024, 09:41:10 am
If he nukes Peterborough, how would anybody know?

 ;D

They will if the next generation start being born with 6 fingers.....oh...


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on March 01, 2024, 11:59:24 am
If he nukes Peterborough, how would anybody know?
It will look a lot tidier Marvo.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on March 01, 2024, 12:00:24 pm
Of course the Tories want these immigrants. They will work on the black market for £3 a hour, suppressing others wages, and boosting profits of the business owning classes.
Let them eat cake.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on March 01, 2024, 13:39:47 pm
Amused me;

Galloway was always more popular among the rank and file of the Labour Party than among his parliamentary colleagues. An unverifiable story records that he once asked Donald Dewar, the late Scottish Secretary and First Minister, why people took such an instant dislike to him. ďBecause it saves time, George,Ē replied Donald.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Fred_NTFC on March 01, 2024, 17:00:29 pm
Sunak is an unmitigated disaster, he's only lucky that Liz Truss came before him to slightly undermine his position as worst PM in modern times. His fury that people are overwhelmingly peacefully protesting the terrible genocide going on right now is absolutely sickening. He honestly makes my stomach churn. Trying to make ridiculous non- statements to appeal to the right of the party ain't gonna work buddy, you're toast.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Bingers on March 01, 2024, 18:42:26 pm
If he nukes Peterborough, how would anybody know?

Because Tuesday night would get called off and I for one would be a bit disappointed. I am looking forward to us doing the double.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Manwork04 on March 01, 2024, 19:29:40 pm
That old slapper Angela Rayner has been flogging off her council house for profit and not paying any tax
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26252188/angela-rayner-tax-affairs-council-house/
Well thereís a surprise a socialist whoís also a scumbag hypocrite.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: itsme on March 01, 2024, 20:25:53 pm
Says it all about the state of uk politics when you look at the results from the Rochdale by election


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: CobblerForever on March 01, 2024, 20:37:36 pm
Says it all about the state of uk politics when you look at the results from the Rochdale by election

I think it might say a lot about postal votes and their abuse. Labour need to vet their candidates properly.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on March 02, 2024, 10:55:08 am
That old slapper Angela Rayner has been flogging off her council house for profit and not paying any tax
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26252188/angela-rayner-tax-affairs-council-house/
Well thereís a surprise a socialist whoís also a scumbag hypocrite.

Sexist as well to add to the collection. well done.