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Title: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 16, 2023, 05:52:18 am
Thought it might be interesting to compare our first season back in the third tier since the Graham Carr promotion 36 years ago. Just a bit of fun, remember we've only ever been relegated straight back down once in that time.

After 3 games:

Atkins 4pts
Carr 4pts
Curle 4pts
Wilson 4pts
Page 3pts
Brady 1pt
Gorman 1pt


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 16, 2023, 07:23:50 am
Thought it might be interesting to compare our first season back in the third tier since the Graham Carr promotion 36 years ago. Just a bit of fun, remember we've only ever been relegated straight back down once in that time.

After 3 games:

Atkins 4pts
Carr 4pts
Curle 4pts
Wilson 4pts
Page 3pts
Brady 1pt
Gorman 1pt

Two things that come to mind with that. I really hate Rob Page. And I'd forgot all about Gorman. He was a really nice guy though.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Coolcat on August 16, 2023, 11:39:34 am
Two things that come to mind with that. I really hate Rob Page. And I'd forgot all about Gorman. He was a really nice guy though.
I had too. Herman was his first name iirc. Got it all wrong and had to revert to night time attacks late on - something the Cobblers did quite well last night!

Seriously though, John understandably pulled out of the game - think his wife passed away with ill health.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Fabbiadini on August 16, 2023, 11:49:25 am
. And I'd forgot all about Gorman. He was a really nice guy though.

His Wycombe team were really entertaining to watch. Would have liked to have seen how it would have panned out with us in normal circumstances.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 17, 2023, 09:52:55 am
I've updated this to include Bowen and Crerand, arguably our best and worst managers. Everbrite was of course right, Bowen had a poor start to his initial season in the third tier and including Crerand should keep Brady off the bottom whatever happens.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 17, 2023, 10:53:00 am
I've updated this to include Bowen and Crerand, arguably our best and worst managers. Everbrite was of course right, Bowen had a poor start to his initial season in the third tier and including Crerand should keep Brady off the bottom whatever happens.

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Can you do another table showing points after 10 games as this would be more relevant.

Thanks in advance mate.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 17, 2023, 11:09:16 am
Can you do another table showing points after 10 games as this would be more relevant.

Thanks in advance mate.

I'll update it on this thread each game. You'll have to wait until after the Exeter game for the 10 game table. Only next month.

Joking apart, I think Everbrite made a valid point in regards Bowen, poor start but we ended up 8th.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on August 17, 2023, 11:09:45 am
Stat manÖhow about the list of managers by service level. Youíve probably published before.
They donít usually last very long. I reckon JB could break the mould regardless of this season, more out of fear if KT dared to sack him!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 19, 2023, 16:13:26 pm
Stat manÖhow about the list of managers by service level. Youíve probably published before.
They donít usually last very long. I reckon JB could break the mould regardless of this season, more out of fear if KT dared to sack him!

Sorry, only just seen this, I'll see what I can do. However in the meantime.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 19, 2023, 16:20:13 pm
There you go Aidy.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on August 19, 2023, 17:40:12 pm
There you go Aidy.

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Thank you. I donít think heíll catch Bowen!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Dan on August 20, 2023, 20:01:04 pm
I can honestly see him reach number 2 on that list. Although perhaps naive. I donít think heís fashionable for a team to want to pinch him.

Granted that may change if he keeps us in league 1 for a few years  ;D


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 21, 2023, 05:32:09 am
I feel old now. A grand total of 26 managers teams that I have watched.
One of your better stats lists Marvo.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 21, 2023, 06:34:20 am
I feel old now. A grand total of 26 managers teams that I have watched.
One of your better stats lists Marvo.

I'm about the same.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Clarity on August 21, 2023, 08:33:16 am
32  :(


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 21, 2023, 08:46:49 am
This will sort out the brats from the men. Whose gonna top the list? My money is on Evers.  ;D


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: west stand oap on August 21, 2023, 08:57:15 am
38


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Coolcat on August 21, 2023, 09:11:44 am
Interesting. Dave Lee where he should be in a shocking last place! Was it a 4-0 drubbing at Plymouth (was there) where he came up with the most excuse ridden diatribe?

Also, surprised to see Tony Barton last longer than Rob Page. Certainly didn't seem like it from memory!  :o


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Carton Lid on August 21, 2023, 09:45:55 am
39


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Clarity on August 21, 2023, 09:48:03 am
39
Did you ever watch the team that Committee put out?  ;D


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Lizard68 on August 21, 2023, 10:16:46 am
30


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: west stand oap on August 21, 2023, 10:33:46 am
I assume that we are only counting a manager once, Bowen had 3 spells and some others had more than 1. Also only counted once when a manager had a previous spell as caretaker manager.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Coolcat on August 21, 2023, 11:53:34 am
29. Think the committee was just before my time - but can anyone clarify, around 77/78 time?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Carton Lid on August 21, 2023, 12:55:28 pm
Did you ever watch the team that Committee put out?  ;D
I was on the committee  ;)  :)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on August 21, 2023, 13:12:18 pm
Do you have a chronological list instead of time served, because I am struggling to remember who was in charge when I started going to games in 1980. I want to Say Bill Dodgin? Maybe Clive Walker?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 21, 2023, 15:21:57 pm
Both Walker and Dodgin Jnr managed the club in 1980. If you know who we played against your first game I can tell you which.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Coolcat on August 21, 2023, 15:25:09 pm
Both Walker and Dodgin Jnr managed the club in 1980. If you know who we played against your first game I can tell you which.
So I've now moved up to 30!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 21, 2023, 15:25:46 pm
Do you have a chronological list instead of time served, because I am struggling to remember who was in charge when I started going to games in 1980. I want to Say Bill Dodgin? Maybe Clive Walker?

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 21, 2023, 15:26:45 pm
I assume that we are only counting a manager once, Bowen had 3 spells and some others had more than 1. Also only counted once when a manager had a previous spell as caretaker manager.

Total games in all their spells.

My total is 38.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 21, 2023, 15:43:13 pm
I feel old now. A grand total of 26 managers teams that I have watched.
One of your better stats lists Marvo.
Having seen the update, put me down for 27.  I forgot about Theo Foley.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Carton Lid on August 21, 2023, 15:52:23 pm
I've seen everyone from Dave Bowens first spell, so that includes Jack Jennings, a total of 39


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on August 21, 2023, 16:00:24 pm
First game 16th April 1979, so 30, although the name Mike Keen means nothing to me. I always thought it was Clive Walker but he seems to have arrive shortly after. I was a kid though.
We won 4 v 2, I think George Riley scored a couple but not one of those that can remember that far back.Ö.just checking we beat the P*sh on Saturday?  ;D


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Shoemender on August 21, 2023, 16:19:26 pm
35 for me, 36 if Jim Barron is included, joint caretaker with Sammo for a while and 37 if we're including comitee. :)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 21, 2023, 16:24:05 pm
35 for me, 36 if Jim Barron is included, joint caretaker with Sammo for a while and 37 if we're including comitee. :)
Dont count if hes not on the list..


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Lizard68 on August 21, 2023, 16:26:45 pm
30

I've moved up to 31


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: itsme on August 21, 2023, 19:17:16 pm
23 for me in 26 years


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: EB Claret on August 21, 2023, 19:44:36 pm
According to that I've seen 33, one or two I barely remember.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: claretparrot on August 21, 2023, 20:19:01 pm
23 for me in 26 years

Snap!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 21, 2023, 21:01:46 pm
42 but only 38 different ones. 8)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 22, 2023, 09:17:42 am
I was miles out. It must be about 37 now I've looked at the dates  ;D I don't remember about 8 or nine of them.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on August 22, 2023, 09:18:47 am
Both Walker and Dodgin Jnr managed the club in 1980. If you know who we played against your first game I can tell you which.
It was against Peterborough in the FA Cup in November.
Cheers.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Coolcat on August 22, 2023, 10:47:41 am
I was miles out. It must be about 37 now I've looked at the dates  ;D I don't remember about 8 or nine of them.
In a nutshell, Dave Bowen, Graham Carr, Chris Wilder, Ian Atkins, the current supremo and some bloke called Darnell aside...they were all s***e!  :P


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Shoemender on August 22, 2023, 11:27:30 am
In a nutshell, Dave Bowen, Graham Carr, Chris Wilder, Ian Atkins, the current supremo and some bloke called Darnell aside...they were all s***e!  :P

Herbert Chapman wasn't too bad. Dunno what happened to him after he left us though. :)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: everbrite on August 22, 2023, 11:36:43 am
32  :(

34 to 36  
Primarily from Dave Smith

Some of the short lived Managers was aware that they were the managers but due to school and living in London; having a sport to play may have seen the team play but not sure which manager was in charge! Could have totted them up incorrectly as well!
 
I would say Bowen and his 60ís sides have been the best with Stuart Gray being an intellectual coach, did well for a time. Loved Atkins for his bully boy tactics and Graham Carr for unearthing those gems. Who can forget Eddie Eddie on the wing. So many great players from Jack English and Alan Woan to Theo Foley and Ashworth and the great Cliff Holton and equally great Frank Large plus the irrepressible Holmes! We may have history in abundance! Possibly Brady is now on his way to emulate Dave Bowen?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on August 22, 2023, 12:43:55 pm

Possibly Brady is now on his way to emulate Dave Bowen?


I thought this but itís a double edged sword. He seems ambitious, so if he does really well will probably move on at some point. On the flip side you never know when some kind of rot starts to set in and a manager totally loses the plot, along with most of the players.
Heís already high up the league table of managers in terms of service. I just know that there is no one else Iíd rather have at the moment.
Perhaps he can embed us in L1, take a Championship job and Wilder/Dyche are available to take over, although their stock will have to drop. Wilderís has, Dyche is trying!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: BackOfTheNet on August 22, 2023, 15:38:15 pm
Between 24 and 26 for me. Atko was the manager when I first took an interest but I was dragged along to a few games here and there in the years prior to that. They would have been in the Foley/Chard/Barnwell era but I wouldn't have the foggiest idea which ones were in charge of the games I was at!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Coolcat on August 22, 2023, 17:36:35 pm
Herbert Chapman wasn't too bad. Dunno what happened to him after he left us though. :)
Haha... I meant Herbert Chapman tbf...not the school teacher who used to frequent Jekyl & Hyde!  :P


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on August 27, 2023, 12:59:05 pm


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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: itsme on August 27, 2023, 18:40:58 pm
7 points after 5 games I think most fans would have took this


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Bingers on August 27, 2023, 20:56:46 pm
7 points after 5 games with 3 of them coming from Boro I think most fans would have took this

FTFY


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 02, 2023, 16:42:54 pm
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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 17, 2023, 17:12:55 pm
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Brady has slipped level with Curle now and has only half the points Atkins had achieved at this stage. Early days.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 23, 2023, 22:10:14 pm
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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on September 30, 2023, 17:19:15 pm
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That's a bit better!  :)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Larry on September 30, 2023, 17:44:57 pm
Interesting how Page wasn't too bad for us. I always thought his problem was that he wasn't Chris Wilder enough and as things have turned out elsewhere he's not such a bad manager after all. He was sacked because we were 16th in the division, isn't that our target this season?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Lizard68 on September 30, 2023, 18:49:59 pm
Interesting how Page wasn't too bad for us. I always thought his problem was that he wasn't Chris Wilder enough and as things have turned out elsewhere he's not such a bad manager after all. He was sacked because we were 16th in the division, isn't that our target this season?

His comments after the Bristol Rovers defeat didn't help along with the bad form at the time.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Larry on September 30, 2023, 19:21:32 pm
His comments after the Bristol Rovers defeat didn't help along with the bad form at the time.

The men against girls? That wasn't good but hardly a sacking offence. It was poor form but we were 16th. We are 17th now after a win.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: cobbler151 on September 30, 2023, 19:29:18 pm
Interesting how Page wasn't too bad for us. I always thought his problem was that he wasn't Chris Wilder enough and as things have turned out elsewhere he's not such a bad manager after all. He was sacked because we were 16th in the division, isn't that our target this season?

We had lost 9 and 11, got knocked out the cup by a none league side and just been hammered 5-0 by Bristol Rovers. The football was also dire.

I'll never forgive him for the away performance against Posh ether.

It was only going one way with him imo.




Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Lizard68 on September 30, 2023, 19:36:38 pm
The men against girls? That wasn't good but hardly a sacking offence. It was poor form but we were 16th. We are 17th now after a win.

Yes, those comments following the 5-0 defeat. He was sacked on the Monday after.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Larry on September 30, 2023, 20:11:30 pm
We had lost 9 and 11, got knocked out the cup by a none league side and just been hammered 5-0 by Bristol Rovers. The football was also dire.

I'll never forgive him for the away performance against Posh ether.

It was only going one way with him imo.



I'm not sure what 9 and 11 means but no manager gets sacked for losing cup games, it's routine league management. They did lose 5-0 away but it's hardly the first time a team had a bad result. What game against Pish was it that so annoyed you?
He must be the first manager to be sacked for potential future defeats.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Larry on September 30, 2023, 20:12:42 pm
Yes, those comments following the 5-0 defeat. He was sacked on the Monday after.

One place above we are now


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: itsme on September 30, 2023, 21:51:53 pm
Page started well but results went badly wrong from jovembwr onwards. That Bristol Rovers game really was the final straw we were dreadful


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: cobbler151 on September 30, 2023, 21:59:36 pm
I'm not sure what 9 and 11 means but no manager gets sacked for losing cup games, it's routine league management. They did lose 5-0 away but it's hardly the first time a team had a bad result. What game against Pish was it that so annoyed you?
He must be the first manager to be sacked for potential future defeats.

I'm pretty sure your intelligent enough to know it was a typo and I meant 'in' but thanks for highlighting it in an 'innocent' way.



Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Larry on October 01, 2023, 06:42:18 am
I'm pretty sure your intelligent enough to know it was a typo and I meant 'in' but thanks for highlighting it in an 'innocent' way.

I genuinely didnít know what it meant. What was the unforgivable Pish game?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Dan on October 01, 2023, 12:01:54 pm
The Posh loss when he made the most ludicrous team line up Iíve ever seen a Cobblers manager make. We obviously got destroyed as a result , and Iíd gladly have sacked him after that night.

Add to that, the stuffing from Bristol Rovers, the Stourbridge debacle and 9 losses in 11, and Christ he was lucky to get given as long as he did.

Absolutely awful manager.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Arminder Shwami on October 01, 2023, 12:48:03 pm
The Posh loss when he made the most ludicrous team line up Iíve ever seen a Cobblers manager make. We obviously got destroyed as a result , and Iíd gladly have sacked him after that night.

Add to that, the stuffing from Bristol Rovers, the Stourbridge debacle and 9 losses in 11, and Christ he was lucky to get given as long as he did.

Absolutely awful manager.
It was the ďwe go againĒ every week that did it for me.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: everbrite on October 01, 2023, 13:12:26 pm
The Posh loss when he made the most ludicrous team line up Iíve ever seen a Cobblers manager make. We obviously got destroyed as a result , and Iíd gladly have sacked him after that night.

Add to that, the stuffing from Bristol Rovers, the Stourbridge debacle and 9 losses in 11, and Christ he was lucky to get given as long as he did.

Absolutely awful manager.

I too would have sacked Page after the BRovers whitewash. He did enjoy a much lauded career with Wales though but clearly did not work out with us. It is well to remember that Page was highly respected at Port Vale before he joined us, much against Vale Fans wishes. Finally as you all know Wales qualified for the 2022 Fifa World Cup for thr firt time in 50+ years. I do wonder sometimes that our attitude to Managers and Players alike is a bit 'Billy Big Boots' especially after a patch of poor results.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 01, 2023, 13:58:01 pm
It was the ďwe go againĒ every week that did it for me.
It was the "just needs a sprinkle of stardust" and then ripping up the team that did it for me.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Coolcat on October 01, 2023, 14:31:50 pm
Page started well but results went badly wrong from jovembwr onwards. That Bristol Rovers game really was the final straw we were dreadful
When the dentist asks you when Bonfire night is!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: cobbler151 on October 01, 2023, 15:05:54 pm
The Posh loss when he made the most ludicrous team line up Iíve ever seen a Cobblers manager make. We obviously got destroyed as a result , and Iíd gladly have sacked him after that night.

Add to that, the stuffing from Bristol Rovers, the Stourbridge debacle and 9 losses in 11, and Christ he was lucky to get given as long as he did.

Absolutely awful manager.

I feel compelled to buy you a beer after this post, absolutely spot on.

He played Byrom and Anderson in midfield, 5 at the back and 3 upfront.  We got absolutely battered from start to finish.



Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Larry on October 01, 2023, 16:04:05 pm
Well, his career since being sacked has shown he is a pretty decent manager.
Once you all get bored of Brady and start banging on about his lack of experience I'll take him back. Unless of course Calderwood gets the job.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: cobbler151 on October 01, 2023, 16:22:24 pm
Well, his career since being sacked has shown he is a pretty decent manager.
Once you all get bored of Brady and start banging on about his lack of experience I'll take him back. Unless of course Calderwood gets the job.

This post makes very little sense to me.

I can make a vague statement of presumption in it, no idea where or how you've got that from though.

However, if Rob Page is as imaginative as you can get for this mysterious  post Brady era that appears to be looming, I'm glad you're not the guy appointing the position.






Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 01, 2023, 17:31:31 pm
Well, his career since being sacked has shown he is a pretty decent manager.
Once you all get bored of Brady and start banging on about his lack of experience I'll take him back. Unless of course Calderwood gets the job.

Don't tell my brother-in-law that, follows Wales away, mentions all the flaws that we saw in him (no way to change a game etc). The only reason he got the job was because of Giggs. The only reason they got to the world cup was because of Bale. They tolerated him in qatar, and all want him gone now.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 01, 2023, 17:42:20 pm
I feel compelled to buy you a beer after this post, absolutely spot on.

He played Byrom and Anderson in midfield, 5 at the back and 3 upfront.  We got absolutely battered from start to finish.



I recall hearing the team line up that night and we were like 'wtf'. We've got no midfielders! He then proceeded to take off the only one we had on the pitch at half time and replaced him with another one. He chucked Byron under a bus that night.

My favourite (well least favourite!) Page moment was at Stourbridge. We were around 2 and a half minutes into the 3 minutes of time added on and he decided to make a sub, so wasted about 30 seconds of the 1 minute we still had too play. Then right at the very end we had a corner (which was the last action of the game) and he still wouldn't send the keeper up!

Bloke stole and living and still does. Most useless manager we've ever had, and I include Fenwick in that lot. Nothing against him personally, but it staggers me how he's stayed in the game at all let alone managed at international level. Boothroyd always gets pelters but he did keep us up and nearly got us promoted, plus he did an amazing job at Watford before hand. Page had two (I think) bang average seasons at Port Vale then fcuked us over completely. Thats his contribution to club football management!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 01, 2023, 17:45:18 pm
Page was a s***e manager, Boothroyd was a s***e manager, and both ended up as U21 managers. On that basis, I would have expected JFH to get the Holland job.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Carton Lid on October 01, 2023, 18:30:36 pm
Page was a s***e manager, Boothroyd was a s***e manager, and both ended up as U21 managers. On that basis, I would have expected JFH to get the Holland job.
And JFH continued the line of s***e managers


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 01, 2023, 18:47:46 pm
And JFH continued the line of s***e managers
That was my point mate.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Larry on October 01, 2023, 19:04:34 pm

hmmm
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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: cobbler151 on October 01, 2023, 19:05:39 pm
I recall hearing the team line up that night and we were like 'wtf'. We've got no midfielders! He then proceeded to take off the only one we had on the pitch at half time and replaced him with another one. He chucked Byron under a bus that night.

My favourite (well least favourite!) Page moment was at Stourbridge. We were around 2 and a half minutes into the 3 minutes of time added on and he decided to make a sub, so wasted about 30 seconds of the 1 minute we still had too play. Then right at the very end we had a corner (which was the last action of the game) and he still wouldn't send the keeper up!

Bloke stole and living and still does. Most useless manager we've ever had, and I include Fenwick in that lot. Nothing against him personally, but it staggers me how he's stayed in the game at all let alone managed at international level. Boothroyd always gets pelters but he did keep us up and nearly got us promoted, plus he did an amazing job at Watford before hand. Page had two (I think) bang average seasons at Port Vale then fcuked us over completely. Thats his contribution to club football management!

He absolutely chucked Byrom under the bus that night, that is one of the driving factors in my original comment on how I've never forgiven him for that performance.

I can distinctly remember feeling sorry for Byrom, as Posh knocked the ball around like they were playing against a Sunday park team. I was skint at the time too. One of the most tatically inept performances I've seen from a manager in my 33 years as a fan.

He's got by on the skin of his teeth in the Wales job and as someone's already said they are sick of him.

I wholely agree in he's one of, if not the most useless managers we've had, left us in a mess, which sadly was continued by some almost equally as useless managers(2 of which have at least done something credible at another club) Curle has his critics but he stabilised us, brought Goode in and the play off final win was a game to remember.

I'll take Brady 7 days a week and twice on a Sunday over Page, from now until forever.




Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on October 02, 2023, 09:16:03 am
I think Page's record overall with other clubs and Wales suggests he's not a bad manager, but he was awful for us and deservedly got sacked. As stated on earlier posts he was lucky to last as long as he did. His signings were mostly very poor for L1 level and he completely lost the plot after a solid start. We weren't that low in the table at the time, but once you've lost the the confidence of the dressing room you're finished. It was the same with JFH and Dean Austin, to name but two.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 02, 2023, 11:41:32 am
It was the "just needs a sprinkle of stardust" and then ripping up the team that did it for me.

In his defence , most of the Wilder team had already been 'disposed of or released' prior to him taking over.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on October 03, 2023, 08:40:11 am
In his defence , most of the Wilder team had already been 'disposed of or released' prior to him taking over.

Yes, but look at his signings. Apart from Matt Taylor and Zakuani, I can't think of any other decent ones, but quite a few duds - Beautyman, Hanley, McCourt, Revell, JJ Hooper, Sonupe. I don't think any of those were close to L1 standard.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 03, 2023, 09:15:46 am
Yes, but look at his signings. Apart from Matt Taylor and Zakuani, I can't think of any other decent ones, but quite a few duds - Beautyman, Hanley, McCourt, Revell, JJ Hooper, Sonupe. I don't think any of those were close to L1 standard.

Agreed, but you didn't mention that part of the equation in your criticism. ;)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on October 03, 2023, 09:31:10 am
In his defence , most of the Wilder team had already been 'disposed of or released' prior to him taking over.

I think Brady has proved that you don't need a turnover of players, when going up a division. That was our best team in 20 years. As stated Byrom was thrown under the bus at  Boro. It's worse than that, it was his first and only start under Page. Lawson D'Ath didn't start a game. Alfie Potter hardly got a look in. Rod McDonald started 2 league games, one right at the end at Bristol, another thrown in without playing any games. Prefered his signing of Alex Revell over Marc Richards, and while Revell wasn't bad, he was exactly the same type of player as Marc and only a year younger.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 03, 2023, 18:07:07 pm
I think Brady has proved that you don't need a turnover of players, when going up a division.

I'm not sure you can say that.... yet!

Or if you do, compare our position with Stevenage in the table who went for the completely new line-up.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 03, 2023, 21:45:57 pm
Game 10

(https://i.postimg.cc/Qx83yqFq/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

I thought tonight's result might raise Brady up a bit but no. Guess that shows what a good job the other managers had done up to this point.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Larry on October 04, 2023, 19:57:01 pm
Page was a s***e manager, Boothroyd was a s***e manager, and both ended up as U21 managers. On that basis, I would have expected JFH to get the Holland job.

It seems as if the bar is rather high for many people on here.
I reckon the managers are all pretty similar, they've all been through the same coaching schemes, which are pretty rigorous and not like Level 1 and 2 many on here have dozed through.
Football is a simple game and tactically there's not much genius required. Practically all managers at pro level have been reasonable footballers. They've lived and breathed football since they were around eight so there's not much your average football fan can teach them about the game.
It's simply a question of the board taking a gamble on a manager and hoping the gamble he then makes with the recruitment and selection of players, then the tactics, comes off time after time. 
Jon Brady and his team are doing great guns but there's going to be a time when the form dips and people will inevitably be calling for their heads. Let's hope that's not for a long time and the chairman stays strong so we can avoid the merry-go-round we've been enduring.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Dan on October 05, 2023, 05:43:51 am
I feel compelled to buy you a beer after this post, absolutely spot on.

He played Byrom and Anderson in midfield, 5 at the back and 3 upfront.  We got absolutely battered from start to finish.



Iíll gladly take you up on that offer. Weíll sort something 🍺


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 05, 2023, 06:03:38 am
It seems as if the bar is rather high for many people on here.
I reckon the managers are all pretty similar, they've all been through the same coaching schemes, which are pretty rigorous and not like Level 1 and 2 many on here have dozed through.
Football is a simple game and tactically there's not much genius required. Practically all managers at pro level have been reasonable footballers. They've lived and breathed football since they were around eight so there's not much your average football fan can teach them about the game.
It's simply a question of the board taking a gamble on a manager and hoping the gamble he then makes with the recruitment and selection of players, then the tactics, comes off time after time. 
Jon Brady and his team are doing great guns but there's going to be a time when the form dips and people will inevitably be calling for their heads. Let's hope that's not for a long time and the chairman stays strong so we can avoid the merry-go-round we've been enduring.

You missed luck Larry, it plays a vital role. Being lucky doesn't guarantee you a successful season but being unlucky guarantee's you wont have one.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: cobbler151 on October 05, 2023, 06:29:49 am
Yes, but look at his signings. Apart from Matt Taylor and Zakuani, I can't think of any other decent ones, but quite a few duds - Beautyman, Hanley, McCourt, Revell, JJ Hooper, Sonupe. I don't think any of those were close to L1 standard.

Revell did okish but the rest if we look at their achievements after us, I think we can definitely agree that none of them should have been paid a professionals footballers wage.

Absolutely terrible signings


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Larry on October 05, 2023, 15:32:01 pm
You missed luck Larry, it plays a vital role. Being lucky doesn't guarantee you a successful season but being unlucky guarantee's you wont have one.

That's a good point, whilst it obviously evens out over time, an extended run of bad luck could easily end a manager's contract.
When it reverts to the norm the new one in gets the credit with the notorious "new manager bounce"


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Coolcat on October 05, 2023, 15:40:42 pm
You missed luck Larry, it plays a vital role. Being lucky doesn't guarantee you a successful season but being unlucky guarantee's you wont have one.
We were very unlucky last season with injuries. Go figure!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 07, 2023, 18:03:34 pm
(https://i.postimg.cc/wBf2mFLD/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Brady slips below Gorman!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 21, 2023, 16:01:52 pm
12 Game mark.

(https://i.postimg.cc/J793B7V3/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: everbrite on October 21, 2023, 17:24:42 pm
12 Game mark.

(https://i.postimg.cc/J793B7V3/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Brady has ominously near identical record with Bowen!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 21, 2023, 17:30:59 pm
Brady has ominously near identical record with Bowen!


He does. Bowen is just starting on a 10 match run when he loses only 1 game, winning 7 of them. Lets hope Brady is up to the task.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 24, 2023, 20:58:56 pm
A costly equaliser for Brady, he now has an identical record in League 1 after 13 games as Keith Curle. He has also dropped a place (13th) in the all-Time managers list.

(https://i.postimg.cc/gj6vTKfk/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 28, 2023, 16:17:35 pm
Oh Dear. 14 games gone and now even Curle has a better record than Brady.

Yes but, don't forget what a massive budget Curle had, how he had the momentum from an automatic promotion, how he wasn't playing in front of a half-finished stand and you cant compare managers from different eras, I mean who is alive today that witnessed Curle's season in league 1? Oh, hang on.......

Anyway we all agreed, whatever happens this season NOTHING will be Brady's fault. What a fortunate position to be in for the Australian.

 (https://i.postimg.cc/bNRZ7pBC/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: west stand oap on October 28, 2023, 17:02:13 pm
Panic, panic, panic, quick let's get shot of Brady and appoint Joey Barton before another club snap him up.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 28, 2023, 17:05:51 pm
Panic, panic, panic, quick let's get shot of Brady and appoint Joey Barton before another club snap him up.

Look, everybody said whatever happens this season, we should stick with Brady. Now stop calling for his head and start getting behind the team.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Manwork04 on October 28, 2023, 17:10:37 pm
Oh Dear. 14 games gone and now even Curle has a better record than Brady.

Yes but, don't forget what a massive budget Curle had, how he had the momentum from an automatic promotion, how he wasn't playing in front of a half-finished stand and you cant compare managers from different eras, I mean who is alive today that witnessed Curle's season in league 1? Oh, hang on.......

Anyway we all agreed, whatever happens this season NOTHING will be Brady's fault. What a fortunate position to be in for the Australian.

 (https://i.postimg.cc/bNRZ7pBC/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Itís just like Groundhog Day, we get promoted, owners give the manager a piśs poor budget we are in the relegation zone in Jan, money is given to strengthen, then they sack the manager and we are relegated rinse and repeat.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 28, 2023, 17:15:45 pm
Itís just like Groundhog Day, we get promoted, owners give the manager a piśs poor budget we are in the relegation zone in Jan, money is given to strengthen, then they sack the manager and we are relegated rinse and repeat.

Yeah, you think we'd be used to it by now. Don't normally come straight back down though and I think there must be 4 worse teams than ourselves. With just one decent striker/poacher I think we'd be midtable now. Only knowing our luck, he'd get injured on his debut.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Manwork04 on October 28, 2023, 17:18:17 pm
Yeah, you think we'd be used to it by now. Don't normally come straight back down though and I think there must be 4 worse teams than ourselves. With just one decent striker/poacher I think we'd be midtable now. Only knowing our luck, he'd get injured on his debut.
Exeter seem to be trying to help us out, Fleetwood keep winning as do Wigan, we desperately need a win from somewhere.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on October 28, 2023, 17:25:52 pm
Difficult to find too many positives but we canít have lost so many games by the odd goal before. We seem to be in every game. With a slightly fitter squad (and cutting out silly suspensions) weíve got to have the edge on 4 other teams. Another positive is that JB must be miles from getting the sack, we donít want that, especially as weíll still have the same bunch of players.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 28, 2023, 17:33:08 pm
Difficult to find too many positives but we canít have lost so many games by the odd goal before. We seem to be in every game. With a slightly fitter squad (and cutting out silly suspensions) weíve got to have the edge on 4 other teams. Another positive is that JB must be miles from getting the sack, we donít want that, especially as weíll still have the same bunch of players.

Yep, little point in sacking Brady unless some billionaire took over and wanted to bring a star man in. Our results aren't very good and Brady isn't doing very well but you have to question who would do any better under the circumstances? Brady is safe I reckon, unless we get to that point near the end of the season when we need the boost a new manager may bring to save us. Similar to what they tried with Austin that nearly paid off. Doesn't always work.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on October 29, 2023, 09:16:46 am
I think an interesting chapter in this table is approaching fast, the time when some of these managers get sacked. Crerand in 7 games, Gorman in 8, Curle in 12. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if Brady still has a worse return than 1 or maybe 2 of them at that point. Still think he'll be safe though, unlikely that many fans will be calling for his head as they were in the other cases and with the current record crowds and the money rolling in, can't see the Chairman being under any pressure to make a change.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 01, 2023, 08:28:41 am
So, we reached the 15th game of the campaign, a third of the season gone and Brady now has only Crerand behind him with a worse start to our first season back in League 1. Crerand was truly awful but even he won his 16th game so Brady better hope we don't lose our home game with Burton or this will officially become our worst start.

More worryingly for me, we've now just 1 point from our last 5 matches, our worst run of form since 2016, a 5 game sequence where we had 3 different managers at the helm, Page, Wilkinson & Edinburgh.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Ss95Swwx/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on November 01, 2023, 09:05:52 am
"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different outcomes is the definition of insanity" i.e. sacking managers as soon as the going gets tough.

Time to get behind JB IMO


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 01, 2023, 09:12:57 am
So, we reached the 15th game of the campaign, a third of the season gone and Brady now has only Crerand behind him with a worse start to our first season back in League 1. Crerand was truly awful but even he won his 16th game so Brady better hope we don't lose our home game with Burton or this will officially become our worst start.

More worryingly for me, we've now just 1 point from our last 5 matches, our worst run of form since 2016, a 5 game sequence where we had 3 different managers at the helm, Page, Wilkinson & Edinburgh.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Ss95Swwx/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Blimey, in all honesty I thought things were bad but I didn't for a minute think they were that bad.

It looks like Brady has been found out.

Priority must be to get an experienced head alongside him to do all the coaching, management, scouting and PR duties.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 01, 2023, 09:32:12 am
"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different outcomes is the definition of insanity" i.e. sacking managers as soon as the going gets tough.

Time to get behind JB IMO

This is a surprise to me but you could hardly be more wrong.

Crerand was sacked, club was in a mess, ran by a committee, we were relegated.
Carr was sacked AFTER we were relegated.
Atkins was sacked after we were relegated, Wilson got us promoted again that season.
Wilson was sacked, Broadhurst retained our League 1 status that season.
Gorman was sacked, Gray retained our League 1 status that season.
Page was sacked, Edinburgh retained our League 1 status that season.
Curle was sacked, and Brady became the ONLY manager to replace somebody on that list and NOT save us from relegation.



Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Mysterious Curle on November 01, 2023, 09:39:12 am

Curle was sacked, and Brady became the ONLY manager to replace somebody on that list and NOT save us from relegation.



But lets not forget he's passionate about the club.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on November 01, 2023, 09:58:50 am
This is a surprise to me but you could hardly be more wrong.

Crerand was sacked, club was in a mess, ran by a committee, we were relegated.
Carr was sacked AFTER we were relegated.
Atkins was sacked after we were relegated, Wilson got us promoted again that season.
Wilson was sacked, Broadhurst retained our League 1 status that season.
Gorman was sacked, Gray retained our League 1 status that season.
Page was sacked, Edinburgh retained our League 1 status that season.
Curle was sacked, and Brady became the ONLY manager to replace somebody on that list and NOT save us from relegation.



That wasn't the point. It is about not sacking a manager when the going gets tough. After his success across two previous seasons, that buys him plenty of time IMO.
I'd go as far as saying there is absolutely no point in sacking him at all unless there are significant changes elsewhere.
He has proven that he can run a successful L2 outfit (playing good football), which is as far as our aspirations seem to stretch.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 01, 2023, 10:11:51 am
That wasn't the point. It is about not sacking a manager when the going gets tough. After his success across two previous seasons, that buys him plenty of time IMO.
I'd go as far as saying there is absolutely no point in sacking him at all unless there are significant changes elsewhere.
He has proven that he can run a successful L2 outfit (playing good football), which is as far as our aspirations seem to stretch.

Sorry, I thought your point was "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity" I was just pointing out that in the case of sacking the manager, the normal result is we survive that season in League 1 with the new man in charge. Only Brady failed to do that.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 11, 2023, 20:19:54 pm
A good and most welcome win today kept Brady off the foot of the table and the good news is now that he can't get caught by Crerand as he only gets 1 more point in his final 6 games. We've also continued with this strange stat where we didn't win in our first 4 games, then won the next 2. Then it was a 5 game winless run, then we won 2. Then we didn't win in 6 but have won our next game today. Should mean we'll beat MK Dons though I wish it was the Cambridge game up next, I think we'd all rather win that one (I'm sure we will).

(https://i.postimg.cc/5NjP9CwC/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

As I said, I post these stats whether we win, lose or draw. It's up to the manager and the team to make them look better, not me.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 11, 2023, 20:43:23 pm
It was around this time that Curle tailed off completely. In the league, he hadn't won since the 15th game of the season, lost his next two 4-0 and would only go onto win 1 more game before getting sacked in February.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 11, 2023, 20:52:44 pm
Interestingly of the four managers that went on to be sacked in the table, three of them, like Brady won their 16th game. None of them won any of their next three games. Seems like this time of the year can be quite decisive. Should also mean we see Brady start to climb this table.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: west stand oap on November 12, 2023, 12:04:19 pm
What I would find more interesting is how strikers from our previous promoted teams compare to Sam who has already notched 9, I doubt if any would have as many.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DrillingCobbler on November 12, 2023, 12:19:23 pm
What I would find more interesting is how strikers from our previous promoted teams compare to Sam who has already notched 9, I doubt if any would have as many.

I can only think of Jamie Forrester 'stepping up'...

I still don't consider Sam to be a striker though...


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 12, 2023, 12:32:49 pm
What I would find more interesting is how strikers from our previous promoted teams compare to Sam who has already notched 9, I doubt if any would have as many.

To be honest, I don't think all that many stayed after promotion. That's from memory, I don't know. You could look on Soccerbase I suppose.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Observing on November 12, 2023, 12:33:52 pm
Marvo, can you just let me know with your magic spreadsheets and stats if itís likely we will stay up please?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: everbrite on November 14, 2023, 10:05:58 am
I can only think of Jamie Forrester 'stepping up'...

I still don't consider Sam to be a striker though...

Please advise your definition of a striker as after his strikers goal last Saturday it seemed to be a good example?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Coolcat on November 14, 2023, 10:32:55 am
Please advise your definition of a striker as after his strikers goal last Saturday it seemed to be a good example?
Nippy, agile, leading from the front, goal poachers...e.g. Danny Hylton or Tyreece Simpson.  ;)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on November 14, 2023, 10:55:54 am
Please advise your definition of a striker as after his strikers goal last Saturday it seemed to be a good example?

I think the Hoskins we've got now would have been scoring even more if he was paired with Bayo as a front two.
If he had discovered this form earlier he was capable of being a potent centre forward. He could have been our little Tony Cottee, although I doubt we'd still be seeing him in a Cobblers shirt.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DrillingCobbler on November 14, 2023, 11:52:26 am
Please advise your definition of a striker as after his strikers goal last Saturday it seemed to be a good example?

Think we've had this debate a fair bit recently! Id class him as a versatile attacking player who can play in a variety of positions.

We've got 4 strikers as far as I see it. Bowie, Appere, Hylton and Simpson.

Whether they are individually good at their jobs is I guess subjective!

My definition of a striker is someone who predominantly plays down the middle of the pitch in the final third whose job is primarily too score goals. Maybe that's a bit 'old school' but hey ho!

Regardless of what I think though, he is without question our best finisher and also (as proven over a number of years) the best player at getting in the right positions.

I think wide in a front3 suits him best. In my opinon, only Appere is decent at playing down the middle. Bowie huffs and puffs a lot but 5 goals in nearly 18 months is not anywhere near a good enough return for your main target man.

If fit, Id select Hoskins/Appere/Pinnock as our front 3 every single game. With a view too bringing Bowie on. Then in January looking to bring in another centre forward so we could mix things up and play a capable front2 pairing if needed/planB.

Id send Simpson back to Huddersfield and try and cut a deal with Hylton. And yeah...this is me playing football manager. Im not saying its easy to do this stuff in the real world!



Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: everbrite on November 14, 2023, 12:55:44 pm
Think we've had this debate a fair bit recently! Id class him as a versatile attacking player who can play in a variety of positions.

We've got 4 strikers as far as I see it. Bowie, Appere, Hylton and Simpson.

Whether they are individually good at their jobs is I guess subjective!

My definition of a striker is someone who predominantly plays down the middle of the pitch in the final third whose job is primarily too score goals. Maybe that's a bit 'old school' but hey ho!

Regardless of what I think though, he is without question our best finisher and also (as proven over a number of years) the best player at getting in the right positions.

I think wide in a front3 suits him best. In my opinon, only Appere is decent at playing down the middle. Bowie huffs and puffs a lot but 5 goals in nearly 18 months is not anywhere near a good enough return for your main target man.

If fit, Id select Hoskins/Appere/Pinnock as our front 3 every single game. With a view too bringing Bowie on. Then in January looking to bring in another centre forward so we could mix things up and play a capable front2 pairing if needed/planB.

Id send Simpson back to Huddersfield and try and cut a deal with Hylton. And yeah...this is me playing football manager. Im not saying its easy to do this stuff in the real world!


Thanks for your opinion on a striker, it is appreciated! Have highlighted your definition; for me many of his goals have come in the final third at a 45į angle from centre of the goal? Need somebody on here to post the areas he was positioned with all 9 goals!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: goodluck2 on November 14, 2023, 19:52:21 pm
Again going to say it. Surprised at the stick Brady getting.

Back Brady.

Felt we deserved to off beaten Orient, deserved something at Shrewsbury and BR. And if that of happened. Comfortable in top half. 😁

Back Brady. 😁


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 25, 2023, 16:29:21 pm
Now that's starting to look better.

(https://i.postimg.cc/9Xy80z9D/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)



Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 28, 2023, 20:52:22 pm
Brady getting into calmer waters now.

(https://i.postimg.cc/KcByrC3Y/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 28, 2023, 21:13:26 pm
You forget how good the majority of the Wilson 2000-01 season was. Losing 10 places in the last 9 games.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 02, 2023, 16:21:52 pm
Slight setback for Brady today, he gets caught by John Gorman. Strangely Gorman was sacked three games after the point because of a poor start. This feels anything but that at the moment.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1XPZgZqH/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)




Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Larry on December 02, 2023, 21:32:52 pm
Slight setback for Brady today, he gets caught by John Gorman. Strangely Gorman was sacked three games after the point because of a poor start. This feels anything but that at the moment.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1XPZgZqH/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


The bar is rather lower for Brady than it was for Gorman or Page.
Mind you wasn't the sacking of Gorman more of a case of releasing him considering his personal issues?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 03, 2023, 06:52:21 am
The bar is rather lower for Brady than it was for Gorman or Page.
Mind you wasn't the sacking of Gorman more of a case of releasing him considering his personal issues?

His mind certainly wasn't on the job, I think his wife had died. I thought we were a tad hasty, though he was replaced by Stuart Gray, possibly our most underrated manager.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 09, 2023, 16:04:25 pm
20 games gone and Brady after 4 wins in 5 has is comfortably midtable.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TwG874Sx/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: everbrite on December 09, 2023, 19:48:07 pm
20 games gone and Brady after 4 wins in 5 has is comfortably midtable.

(https://i.postimg.cc/wMpn7kPf/Game-10.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

In game 19 Bowen was down as finished 8th and on 26pts, in game 20 Bowen is down as finished 18th with 29pts


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 09, 2023, 21:43:40 pm
In game 19 Bowen was down as finished 8th and on 26pts, in game 20 Bowen is down as finished 18th with 29pts

Yeah sorry, was in a rush. The positions dont move automatically like the rest of the table.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: everbrite on December 10, 2023, 10:27:13 am
Yeah sorry, was in a rush. The positions dont move automatically like the rest of the table.


Thanks ; please consider correcting Table 20 for future reference! At the behest of the Bowen family!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 10, 2023, 10:49:26 am
Thanks ; please consider correcting Table 20 for future reference! At the behest of the Bowen family!


Done.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: everbrite on December 10, 2023, 13:20:50 pm
Done.

Good Lad!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 16, 2023, 18:29:08 pm
Brady remains middle of the pack.

(https://i.postimg.cc/4yKZcLCr/Game-9.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

This is the final table for Pat Crerand who was sacked at this point.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 23, 2023, 16:13:47 pm
22 games gone and isn't amazing how close this table is? It seems almost every manager has us round about this position at this time of year of our first season back in the third tier. To think Brady who it feels like it working wonders is only 5th best out of 8. That's amazing.

Anyway after losing Pat Crerand last week, this week its the turn of John Gorman to be shown the door. And then there were 7.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 24, 2023, 13:23:34 pm
I just took a look where we were in the table after 22 games in the corresponding seasons.

Graham Carr & Ian Atkins both had us in 6th place.
Kevin Wilson 8th.
Rob Page was in 15th.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 26, 2023, 16:58:47 pm
So we've reached the half-way stage and its quite remarkable how at this point the top four have just one point separating them. Brady is then equal with Page, with Curle adrift (he's got three games left until he is shown the door).

It is strange how Brady has gained so many plaudits this season for how well he has done but in truth, he's a couple of wins behind the majority of our managers at this point. I wish somebody could explain the difference with how Brady is viewed as against our former managers at this level. For example Wilson ends up 18th but he's 5 points better off then Brady at this point. I'm sure there must be a rational reason.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Bingers on December 26, 2023, 17:29:22 pm

 I wish somebody could explain the difference with how Brady is viewed as against our former managers at this level. For example Wilson ends up 18th but he's 5 points better off then Brady at this point. I'm sure there must be a rational reason.
 

I think it is a couple of things, one is that he really does look like he wants it - there is passion there and we all love a bit of passion.

The other thing is that as a new manager he is an underdog and not only that, he is our underdog. He has come through our coaching ranks and therefore, he is one of our own. That means a lot. He is not a journeyman manager, nicking a living, he is living the dream. We'd all love a go at managing The Mighty Cobblers, he is doing it and generally doing it well.

Go on, I have got a third one. He connects with us, the supporters. You really see it at the away games, no slinking off down the tunnel at full time, he is there showing genuine appreciation to those who have made the effort to follow our team. I think this third one is very linked to the first two.


Anymore explanations of life, the universe or anything Marvo, just ask and I'll invent some bÝllÝcks to tell you. Try to avoid football questions though, I don't know jack about that. Apart from the above obviously.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 26, 2023, 17:37:42 pm
I think it is a couple of things, one is that he really does look like he wants it - there is passion there and we all love a bit of passion.

The other thing is that as a new manager he is an underdog and not only that, he is our underdog. He has come through our coaching ranks and therefore, he is one of our own. That means a lot. He is not a journeyman manager, nicking a living, he is living the dream. We'd all love a go at managing The Mighty Cobblers, he is doing it and generally doing it well.

Go on, I have got a third one. He connects with us, the supporters. You really see it at the away games, no slinking off down the tunnel at full time, he is there showing genuine appreciation to those who have made the effort to follow our team. I think this third one is very linked to the first two.


Anymore explanations of life, the universe or anything Marvo, just ask and I'll invent some bÝllÝcks to tell you. Try to avoid football questions though, I don't know jack about that. Apart from the above obviously.

That's all good. I think he's doing a great job too, at least better than anticipated. I guess what it all means is that makes you realise what a fantastic job Atkins, Bowen & Carr did. I really doubt Brady will be able to match them, though obviously I hope he ends up higher than Wilson did, mainly due to a terrible finish. Did you know on March 3rd 2001 when we beat Bristol Rovers Wilson had us in 9th?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Bingers on December 26, 2023, 17:42:52 pm
I guess what it all means is that makes you realise what a fantastic job Atkins, Bowen & Carr did.

There is no doubt in that. To be honest, anyone who takes us up must at some point have done a fantastic job. It's not that managing us is like being born with a silver spoon in the mouth.

All those three mentioned above did something very special in footballing terms. I reckon Wilder's name would be with them too if he hadn't jumped ship.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Bingers on December 29, 2023, 20:46:20 pm
I think it is a couple of things, one is that he really does look like he wants it - there is passion there and we all love a bit of passion.

The other thing is that as a new manager he is an underdog and not only that, he is our underdog. He has come through our coaching ranks and therefore, he is one of our own. That means a lot. He is not a journeyman manager, nicking a living, he is living the dream. We'd all love a go at managing The Mighty Cobblers, he is doing it and generally doing it well.

Go on, I have got a third one. He connects with us, the supporters. You really see it at the away games, no slinking off down the tunnel at full time, he is there showing genuine appreciation to those who have made the effort to follow our team. I think this third one is very linked to the first two.



See what I mean.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on December 29, 2023, 21:01:34 pm
I keep putting these tables up, Brady keeps winning and I think, now we'll see a difference. Its staggering just how well our mangersv have done at this level at their first attempt.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 01, 2024, 16:09:31 pm
Brady just 2pts behind Carr (finished 6th) and 3 behind Atkins (4th). It's game on, but not for Keith Curle, just one more match before he's shown the exit.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: bungle on January 01, 2024, 16:21:47 pm
This is an interesting comparative perspective.

It's not just about points though:the quality of the football is different gravy under Brady. The standard of football we're playing at times far surpasses anything served up under Brady's predecessors.

There's no way on earth Atkins' side would have been capable of producing a slick, back-to-front counter-attacking passing move like that second goal at Lincoln. Brady is delivering on his promise to produce 'bums off seats football'. He has us playing fluent pass and move counter-attacking football with one of the smallest budgets in the league and an ongoing injury crisis. On top of that, he's got a genuine passion and connection with the town. We need to enjoy this while it lasts.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Upteyn on January 06, 2024, 06:32:24 am
This is interesting stuff. If memory serves correctly, although maybe completely wrong, Broadhurst was no2 to Wilson. When Broadhust left the wheels came off. As I say I might be completely wrong, I was spending a lot of time back in pubs back then! When Calderwood went to Southampton and we played Derby a day or 2 later, I had major concerns, and then we got knocked out of the cup! 😬

Since then though, we have generally been extremely good. Personally for me Marc Leonard is fast becoming one of my favourite playersÖ of all time(since 1992)! Brady has the team playing some great stuff and I get excited every Saturday now, and although Iím kind of glad weíre not playing today to give the players a well deserved rest, Iím genuinely gutted that we arenít playing!

Brady is clearly passionate about the club and town, Iím not a fan of The Saints or rugby in general, but the fact Brady wants the sporting teams to do well speaks volumes about his love of the town. Heís an extremely good coach, seems like a top bloke, Iíve heard quite a few people say he will always make time to talk to people about Cobblers. I would love to see him get up to second spot in the all time matches for us and creep on towards Mr Bowen.

In short Iím loving this period as a cobblers fan. I actually hope we donít get in the playoffs this year as it just shortens the summer too much and feel the club would benefit more in the long run if we had nothing to play for come match 43/44.

As far as this transfer window goes, keeping Brady is top priority. Up until a couple of weeks ago I wouldnít have been fussed if Simpson went back but have to hand it to him, heís shown amazing strength of character and itís great to see him showing his physical attributes and making a difference in the matches. Bowie being on fire might generate some interest in him but think heíll stay. As I said about Leonard, we can all see he is an incredible talent and i feel would walk into most championship teams and if we can keep him for the rest of the season it would be a major coup!

Anyway, apologies for the long message, Iím new here and just wanted to voice my opinion, and appreciation for the club. Up the Cobblers!!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Bingers on January 06, 2024, 09:39:06 am
This is interesting stuff. If memory serves correctly, although maybe completely wrong, Broadhurst was no2 to Wilson. When Broadhust left the wheels came off. As I say I might be completely wrong, I was spending a lot of time back in pubs back then! When Calderwood went to Southampton and we played Derby a day or 2 later, I had major concerns, and then we got knocked out of the cup! 😬

Since then though, we have generally been extremely good. Personally for me Marc Leonard is fast becoming one of my favourite playersÖ of all time(since 1992)! Brady has the team playing some great stuff and I get excited every Saturday now, and although Iím kind of glad weíre not playing today to give the players a well deserved rest, Iím genuinely gutted that we arenít playing!

Brady is clearly passionate about the club and town, Iím not a fan of The Saints or rugby in general, but the fact Brady wants the sporting teams to do well speaks volumes about his love of the town. Heís an extremely good coach, seems like a top bloke, Iíve heard quite a few people say he will always make time to talk to people about Cobblers. I would love to see him get up to second spot in the all time matches for us and creep on towards Mr Bowen.

In short Iím loving this period as a cobblers fan. I actually hope we donít get in the playoffs this year as it just shortens the summer too much and feel the club would benefit more in the long run if we had nothing to play for come match 43/44.

As far as this transfer window goes, keeping Brady is top priority. Up until a couple of weeks ago I wouldnít have been fussed if Simpson went back but have to hand it to him, heís shown amazing strength of character and itís great to see him showing his physical attributes and making a difference in the matches. Bowie being on fire might generate some interest in him but think heíll stay. As I said about Leonard, we can all see he is an incredible talent and i feel would walk into most championship teams and if we can keep him for the rest of the season it would be a major coup!

Anyway, apologies for the long message, Iím new here and just wanted to voice my opinion, and appreciation for the club. Up the Cobblers!!

A lot of wisdom there. We need a few more wise folk on here to counter balance the likes of myself and one or two others.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Fabbiadini on January 06, 2024, 14:38:36 pm
This is interesting stuff. If memory serves correctly, although maybe completely wrong, Broadhurst was no2 to Wilson. When Broadhust left the wheels came off.

There was a lot of talk about Broadhurst being the brains of the operation, which was underwhelming when he returned as manager and failed to replicate that early form with Wilson. (although think we were on a shoestring budget by that ponit)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 13, 2024, 16:04:33 pm
So we've reached the point where Keith Curle & Rob Page got the sack. And then there were 5.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: itsme on January 13, 2024, 18:47:05 pm
Can't be much further before page is sacked I wouldn't think


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 23, 2024, 21:03:38 pm
This is getting quite exciting now. Brady has drawn level with Wilson and is just one point behind Carr who finished 6th, high enough now for a play-off spot, and 2 pts behind Bowen (8th) and Atkins (4th = Play-offs). If they could do it from this point, why can't Brady? How anybody can write this team off is beyond me.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Dan on January 23, 2024, 21:30:09 pm
Amazing effort from our Jon.

Thank you Marvo, enjoy this content. What points did the top three finish their seasons on?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 23, 2024, 21:34:49 pm
Amazing effort from our Jon.

Thank you Marvo, enjoy this content. What points did the top three finish their seasons on?

Atkins 71, Carr 73 and Bowen *51

*That was when it was 2pts for a win, that would equate to 71.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on January 23, 2024, 21:45:18 pm
What would be impressive (a dream promotion aside) is if he could cement our place in L1 for 2-3 seasons, where others have failed before. Thatíd be progress for starters. Itíd be nice not to lose/sack a manager for a change. Iím sure he could move up the list of long standing managers.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Monkey on January 23, 2024, 22:07:50 pm
Atkins 71, Carr 73 and Bowen *51

*That was when it was 2pts for a win, that would equate to 71.
71 points must be one of the lowest ever totals for 4th! I think we will need a fair few more than that to have a chance of playoffs, especially given the points total of the current 3rd - 6th placers... doing some quick maths suggest they are on for 80+ points if they keep at the same rate.

That means we'll likely need at least 12 wins from 19 to have a chance. Whereas it doesn't seem likely, the way we are going, it's certainly not inconceivable. Definitely looking up rather than down for now.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Dan on January 24, 2024, 17:39:11 pm
Atkins 71, Carr 73 and Bowen *51

*That was when it was 2pts for a win, that would equate to 71.

Thanks John.

I have to say Iíd forgotten how well the Wilson season started. It must have properly derailed towards the end!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: therealpattcobb on January 25, 2024, 12:00:27 pm
Thanks John.

I have to say Iíd forgotten how well the Wilson season started. It must have properly derailed towards the end!
Had a lot of "seasoned professionals" in the side and from rough memory they pretty much all knocked off once relegation was avoided (50 points)

Just checked
W1 D2 L7 of last ten games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_Northampton_Town_F.C._season#Results_summary


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Fred_NTFC on January 25, 2024, 12:15:07 pm
Did our downturn also not pretty much coincide with Steve Howard leaving for pennies? Even though he wasn't yet prolific he was showing massive signs of improvement & I remember him & Forrester beginning to develop a very promising understanding that season.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 25, 2024, 12:58:43 pm
Had a lot of "seasoned professionals" in the side and from rough memory they pretty much all knocked off once relegation was avoided (50 points)

Just checked
W1 D2 L7 of last ten games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_Northampton_Town_F.C._season#Results_summary

Those details are featured on this very site. Just saying.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: therealpattcobb on January 25, 2024, 14:11:18 pm
Those details are featured on this very site. Just saying.

Yes


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 27, 2024, 15:58:24 pm
Brady sinks back down.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Manwork04 on January 27, 2024, 16:59:17 pm
Brady sinks back down.

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With a couple of quality additions we could make the play offs.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on January 27, 2024, 17:15:22 pm
With a couple of quality additions we could HAVE made the play offs.

There you go, edited it for you.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 03, 2024, 17:50:44 pm
Not a lot of change, Brady still 5th.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: guest3649 on February 03, 2024, 18:32:08 pm
There you go, edited it for you.
Made!


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 10, 2024, 18:06:18 pm
Brady still behind Wilson who finished 18th at this point. For information purposes, Wilson ends up with 57pts.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: itsme on February 10, 2024, 21:08:54 pm
I know Page will be sacked soon but how many points did we end that season with to finish 16th


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 11, 2024, 07:51:47 am
I'm pretty sure he was sacked a while ago, thought marvo would have taken him off by now


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 11, 2024, 08:36:35 am
I know Page will be sacked soon but how many points did we end that season with to finish 16th

53


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: WasRambo on February 11, 2024, 22:11:06 pm
Brady sinks back down.

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Sinks is a bit extreme.... He's 4 PTS behind the best.

These "raw numbers"..... Whilst you seem to think they're the only factors that matter, they only partially tell the story. So let me embellish with some things that whilst you'll no doubt claim are subjective, are also things to consider.

Imho, Carr, Atkins and Wilson all took stronger squads into the third tier. We had some ex top tier players in Atkins squads. This also suggests a bigger playing budget, adjust for inflation of course. Also, I don't recall and of these squads being so harshly affected by injury as Bradys squad.

I can't comment on Bowen as I was born during our rise and fall.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 11, 2024, 23:17:28 pm
Sinks is a bit extreme.... He's 4 PTS behind the best.

These "raw numbers"..... Whilst you seem to think they're the only factors that matter, they only partially tell the story. So let me embellish with some things that whilst you'll no doubt claim are subjective, are also things to consider.

Imho, Carr, Atkins and Wilson all took stronger squads into the third tier. We had some ex top tier players in Atkins squads. This also suggests a bigger playing budget, adjust for inflation of course. Also, I don't recall and of these squads being so harshly affected by injury as Bradys squad.

I can't comment on Bowen as I was born during our rise and fall.

Pure subjection. As I've said so many times before I only show the actual facts of the situation, so why you blame me for the resulting table I'll never fathom. Perhaps you think I should only produce the tables that would show the club in a good light? Happy clapper?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 12, 2024, 06:22:33 am
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 12, 2024, 07:01:18 am
Thanks Deepcut. Shoot the messenger indeed.

I started this thread in August after just three games when nobody knew where it would take us. So to suggest I am somehow manipulating this table in order to, well what, what am I supposed to be trying to do? That allegation is pure stuff of nonsense.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 12, 2024, 07:54:29 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_statistics


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on February 12, 2024, 08:18:58 am
I don't see any issues with these FACTS. Of course there will always be nuances of players, opposition, injuries, refs, which way the wind is blowing. Bowen aside, they are teams who yo-yo'd between 3/4, 1/2.
Where we need to break the mould is S2,3 and beyond. JB may well up on a table all of his own because if we get to second, third, fourth season in L1 he won't have a lot of opposition.

On the Hoskin's stats. If they continued then you'd have to consider that we are better off without him. However, somehow I think they'll level out across a larger sample of data. On the flip side he will have been involved in most of our wins over his career.

I think most people realise that using small samples of data to over emphasise a point is usually the issue in any walk of life. However, I think we have enough data to expect that we may struggle next season.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 12, 2024, 08:20:07 am
Marvo is a computer, he does not compute.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 12, 2024, 08:48:19 am
Thanks Deepcut. Shoot the messenger indeed.

I started this thread in August after just three games when nobody knew where it would take us. So to suggest I am somehow manipulating this table in order to, well what, what am I supposed to be trying to do? That allegation is pure stuff of nonsense.

Statistics, if collected correctly from the information available, are FACTS.
The use and presentation of those statistics is a subjective interpretation by the author, therefore is open to and invites debate.

“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” - Mark Twain.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 12, 2024, 09:01:27 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_statistics
;D ;D


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 12, 2024, 10:26:13 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_statistics

That's all well and good Melbourne IF I was presenting statistics but I'm not, just giving you the facts, it is up to you the reader to conclude from them what you will.

My conclusion is that after 30 games Brady isn't doing quite as well as the other four managers in the table but he is doing a lot better than those that were sacked before getting to this point. Are there mitigating circumstances, arguably of course, there are always different circumstances. For example Carr had the heart of his team ripped out, just losing Hill & Morley, how many goals did that cost us?

Anyway does this table show that Brady a bad manager? Don't be so daft. Is he doing a good job? Of course he is.

Let's hope we beat Orient tomorrow. If we do then Brady will go above Wilson and level with Bowen. What you'd accuse me of then god only knows.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 12, 2024, 10:41:02 am
At the moment, of the original nine managers listed, he's fifth having 'seen off' four of them.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 12, 2024, 12:23:14 pm
That's all well and good Melbourne IF I was presenting statistics but I'm not, just giving you the facts, it is up to you the reader to conclude from them what you will.

My conclusion is that after 30 games Brady isn't doing quite as well as the other four managers in the table but he is doing a lot better than those that were sacked before getting to this point. Are there mitigating circumstances, arguably of course, there are always different circumstances. For example Carr had the heart of his team ripped out, just losing Hill & Morley, how many goals did that cost us?

Anyway does this table show that Brady a bad manager? Don't be so daft. Is he doing a good job? Of course he is.

Let's hope we beat Orient tomorrow. If we do then Brady will go above Wilson and level with Bowen. What you'd accuse me of then god only knows.
Canít have a laugh on here anymore.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: WasRambo on February 12, 2024, 23:55:03 pm
Pure subjection. As I've said so many times before I only show the actual facts of the situation, so why you blame me for the resulting table I'll never fathom. Perhaps you think I should only produce the tables that would show the club in a good light? Happy clapper?

As I said, I've "embellished" though if indeed past eras playing budgets were higher and injury lists shorter then are those not facts too? Again, I feel the need to challenge what these charts and tables provide in the way of insights. Any base numbers that are "facts" can be extrapolated or hypothesised over to try and either positively or negatively paint a picture. And in your case by showing Brady as bottom and providing your own embellishment in the form of "sinking" it feels like you're choosing to paint a darker picture.

And if you still want to wriggle and claim that you're just showing factual numbers and the reader can decide, then I decide this, there's no useful insight or intelligence to be gained here. Presenting veiled (thinly or otherwise) negativity about manager and / or top scorer in charts or tables doesn't give them any more credibility


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 13, 2024, 07:12:54 am
As I said, I've "embellished" though if indeed past eras playing budgets were higher and injury lists shorter then are those not facts too? Again, I feel the need to challenge what these charts and tables provide in the way of insights. Any base numbers that are "facts" can be extrapolated or hypothesised over to try and either positively or negatively paint a picture. And in your case by showing Brady as bottom and providing your own embellishment in the form of "sinking" it feels like you're choosing to paint a darker picture.

And if you still want to wriggle and claim that you're just showing factual numbers and the reader can decide, then I decide this, there's no useful insight or intelligence to be gained here. Presenting veiled (thinly or otherwise) negativity about manager and / or top scorer in charts or tables doesn't give them any more credibility

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Brady is bottom because that's where he is in this chart. I have no control over the results. Like I said previously, if we were to win tonight he would go above Wilson and level with Bowen. How could that possibly be described as me being negative? You're floundering. This chart was started after just 3 games and nobody, not even the great WasRambo knew where it would lead.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on February 13, 2024, 07:40:53 am
Iím not sure where the argument is?
Heís 4 points off the Ďtitleí all without a Benji or McGoldrick, not forgetting those who have fallen by the wayside. All he has is Hoskins who is injured and only scores pointless goals.
Outstanding stuff all things considered. In terms of keeping the league going on a rolling basis he may well win it via elimination.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 13, 2024, 08:56:12 am
Iím not sure where the argument is?
Heís 4 points off the Ďtitleí all without a Benji or McGoldrick, not forgetting those who have fallen by the wayside. All he has is Hoskins who is injured and only scores pointless goals.
Outstanding stuff all things considered. In terms of keeping the league going on a rolling basis he may well win it via elimination.

and there lies the rub. There isn't one.

By the way the only manager you'd lose would be Wilson, as he didn't make it through a second full season. The other three did so Brady would join an exclusive club. Nobody has ever made it to 4 seasons in League 1 so I guess that's would be the holy grail.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on February 13, 2024, 09:01:45 am
and there lies the rub. There isn't one.

By the way the only manger you'd lose would be Wilson, as he didn't make it through a second full season. The other three did so Brady would join an exclusive club. Nobody has ever made it to 4 seasons in League 1 so I guess that's would be the holy grail.

Good point, if he emulates Bowen...well, he won't.  ;D


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: everbrite on February 13, 2024, 09:28:45 am
Good point, if he emulates Bowen...well, he won't.  ;D

If he attracts good luck; have a gut feeling he maybe capable of emulating Bowen. We have done it before so it becomes our yardstick.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on February 13, 2024, 10:04:25 am
If he attracts good luck; have a gut feeling he maybe capable of emulating Bowen. We have done it before so it becomes our yardstick.


I admire the spirit Evers. I have no idea what the landscape was in the 60's of reaching the top flight compared to finding the Prem today. I know there was the famous quote comparing us to England winning the World Cup. I guess if non-league Luton can do it anything is possible.
It is difficult to think outside of the history we know and current standing as a club.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 13, 2024, 20:48:41 pm
No comment.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: WasRambo on February 13, 2024, 22:25:47 pm
No comment.

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No comment either..... They're on your "graph thread"


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 13, 2024, 22:34:26 pm
No comment either..... They're on your "graph thread"

No they are not, this is Points, the graph is position. This may surprise you but there's a difference.  ::)

For somebody who claims to want fine detail, you're not very perceptive.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: WasRambo on February 13, 2024, 22:43:21 pm
No they are not, this is Points, the graph is position. This may surprise you but there's a difference.  ::)

For somebody who claims to want fine detail, you're not very perceptive.

Are the two not correlated then?


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 13, 2024, 22:53:46 pm
Are the two not correlated then?

No. Of course not. One season a team will be relegated with a set amount of points, the next they could be safe.
The Cobblers were relegated with 33pts from the first division in 1965/6. They would have been safe the previous and following year with that points tally. I was told that at the time that was the highest points tally ever to be relegated from the top flight but I haven't checked if that was true.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 13, 2024, 23:01:16 pm
No. Of course not. One season a team will be relegated with a set amount of points, the next they could be safe.
The Cobblers were relegated with 33pts from the first division in 1965/6. They would have been safe the previous and following year with that points tally. I was told that at the time that was the highest points tally ever to be relegated from the top flight but I haven't checked if that was true.

Note:  No it's not true, Leeds were relegated with 34 points in 1959/60.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: WasRambo on February 14, 2024, 07:54:25 am
So points gained has no correlation to success (or failure)

Ok professor...


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 14, 2024, 11:38:14 am
So points gained has no correlation to success (or failure)

Ok professor...

Correlation? To a high degree but absolute, no.

For example in our division.

2016/7: Port Vale with 49pts = Relegated.
2017/8: Oldham with 50 pts = Relegated.
2018/9: Plymouth with 50pts = Relegated.

However skipping the Covid year.

2020/1: Wigan with 48pts = Safe.
2021/2: Fleetwood with 40pts = Safe.
2022/3: Cambridge with 46 pts = Safe.

I'm surprised you hadn't understood this.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: WasRambo on February 14, 2024, 23:27:52 pm
Correlation? To a high degree but absolute, no.

For example in our division.

2016/7: Port Vale with 49pts = Relegated.
2017/8: Oldham with 50 pts = Relegated.
2018/9: Plymouth with 50pts = Relegated.

However skipping the Covid year.

2020/1: Wigan with 48pts = Safe.
2021/2: Fleetwood with 40pts = Safe.
2022/3: Cambridge with 46 pts = Safe.

I'm surprised you hadn't understood this.


I understand fine thanks. And thanks for proving my point. 50 PTS or less will usually leave you in the bottom six and more often than not, relegated, thus proving that a low number of PTS correlates to a lack of success, sometimes terminal. Feel free to do this for high amounts of points gained. My guess, as that's all I'm apparently capable of, is you'll find they often promote teams or at least get them in the playoffs.

Again you're trying to make me look uneducated by introducing some form of absolute correlation into the argument when you know full well that wasn't what I said at all and that's not how the game works. There is most definitely is a correlation between points gained and success or failure but in football it can never be universally absolute but it is always relative to expectations, eg. If we get 52pts this season and stay up, for us that's a relative success. If it's a club like Derby (yes I know they're well past that already) getting 52pts would be viewed by them as abject failure.

I'm surprised you hadn't understood this....


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 15, 2024, 07:14:33 am
I understand fine thanks. And thanks for proving my point. 50 PTS or less will usually leave you in the bottom six and more often than not, relegated, thus proving that a low number of PTS correlates to a lack of success, sometimes terminal. Feel free to do this for high amounts of points gained. My guess, as that's all I'm apparently capable of, is you'll find they often promote teams or at least get them in the playoffs.

Again you're trying to make me look uneducated by introducing some form of absolute correlation into the argument when you know full well that wasn't what I said at all and that's not how the game works. There is most definitely is a correlation between points gained and success or failure but in football it can never be universally absolute but it is always relative to expectations, eg. If we get 52pts this season and stay up, for us that's a relative success. If it's a club like Derby (yes I know they're well past that already) getting 52pts would be viewed by them as abject failure.

I'm surprised you hadn't understood this....

Still trying to teach your grandma to suck eggs.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: WasRambo on February 16, 2024, 23:12:41 pm
Still trying to teach your grandma to suck eggs.

I get people are into all sorts of gender stuff these days but you're not my grandma. However, I don't wish to offend so happy to call you grandma from this point forward...


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 17, 2024, 06:45:15 am
I get people are into all sorts of gender stuff these days but you're not my grandma. However, I don't wish to offend so happy to call you grandma from this point forward...

Oh dear, yet another thing to add to the long list of things you don't understand.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 17, 2024, 16:04:32 pm
Yeah, he's done it! Brady passes Wilson and I reckon this is how this table will finish, though it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Brady could catch Bowen.

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Just thought I'd add, Wilson was 9th at this point, even with less points.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: WasRambo on February 17, 2024, 16:51:29 pm
Imagine how this would look if all those odd goal defeats had gone the other way or even been draws. If only....


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 17, 2024, 17:31:58 pm
Oglethorpe is always talking about squeaky bum time but the amount of our games that finish by the odd goal, I reckon it would be easier to talk about when it isn't squeaky bum time.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on February 19, 2024, 12:37:51 pm
Oglethorpe is always talking about squeaky bum time but the amount of our games that finish by the odd goal, I reckon it would be easier to talk about when it isn't squeaky bum time.
Saturday 90+5 mins I said to my mate. "Amazing I cant remember the last time we had 2 minutes left in the game and we are safe".


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 20, 2024, 20:50:41 pm
Brady drops to the bottom again below Wilson, meanwhile the other three are putting some distance between themselves and the bottom two.

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Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 21, 2024, 06:08:42 am
Brady drops to the bottom again below Wilson, meanwhile the other three are putting some distance between themselves and the bottom two.

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Fifth of the nine who started.
You left the '18th' in alongside Brady. ;)


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 21, 2024, 06:34:11 am
Fifth of the nine who started.
You left the '18th' in alongside Brady. ;)

I know and I couldn't be arsed to change it.

Can't compare the others, its like for like and they didn't make it this far. Nobody objected to when they were included, kept Brady off the bottom.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: DavCobb on February 21, 2024, 07:31:20 am
You could say he is in an elite list as the others are getting relegated. Let's see how long he stays in the table if extended into next season.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 21, 2024, 07:54:45 am
You could say he is in an elite list as the others are getting relegated. Let's see how long he stays in the table if extended into next season.

I'm happy to do a second season in the third tier table for you next season. Of course you do know I'll be accuse of showing Brady in a bad light, such is the affect I will have on the results.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 21, 2024, 09:11:55 am
I'm happy to do a second season in the third tier table for you next season. Of course you do know I'll be accuse of showing Brady in a bad light, such is the affect I will have on the results.

You can only serve up the facts. The rest is personal interpretation.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: Bingers on February 21, 2024, 12:42:39 pm
You can only serve up the facts. The rest is personal interpretation.

And the FACT is that some people interpret the statistics as Marvo being able to affect the results.

 If only he was a real supporter who goes to all the games and therefore wants us to win, we'd have been promoted by Christmas.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: west stand oap on February 21, 2024, 12:47:31 pm
But he went to Derby and look at how that turned out.


Title: Re: First season back table
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 21, 2024, 13:00:32 pm
Good point. You should be encouraging me to stay away from games.