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Title: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 01, 2023, 20:35:25 pm
I see Fleetwood are winning in their local derby 2-0 tonight. That has dropped the Cobblers into the relegation zone. The cod army are the longest serving current League 1 side so they probably know exactly what's needed to avoid the drop. We need to be looking elsewhere for the other club we require to get and then keep below us. Exeter is a possibility but I can't help thinking that Hoskins penalty miss at Shrewsbury could prove to be a season defining moment.



Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 01, 2023, 20:59:17 pm
and we're out. Good old Blackpool.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on November 01, 2023, 21:25:36 pm

The cod army are the longest serving current League 1 side so they probably know exactly what's needed to avoid the drop.


Coughing up 2 goal leads at home?  :P


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 01, 2023, 21:52:56 pm
Coughing up 2 goal leads at home?  :P
3-3 final whistle. And they may have been at home, but I bet there was just as many Blackpool fans as Fleetwood ones there tonight. The trams would have been busy.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on November 02, 2023, 17:40:13 pm
Letís face it Fleetwood as a football club are completely pointless and are another manís (convicted criminal) folly, the sooner they are gone alongside MK Dons the better.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 02, 2023, 17:48:33 pm
Letís face it Fleetwood as a football club are completely pointless and are another manís (convicted criminal) folly, the sooner they are gone alongside MK Dons the better.

So as a matter of interest and you got your wish and some billionaire took on the Cobblers and got us up the leagues.

Would that be his folly?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 02, 2023, 19:41:51 pm
I see bottom club Cheltenham have made a signing in the last hour. A free agent midfielder that played 36 times in league 1 last season. I thought Cheltenham were the one League 1 club Manny said had a smaller budget than ours? FACT!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lizard68 on November 02, 2023, 19:54:59 pm
I see bottom club Cheltenham have made a signing in the last hour. A free agent midfielder that played 36 times in league 1 last season. I thought Cheltenham were the one League 1 club Manny said had a smaller budget than ours? FACT!

We had the 10th highest budget last season and an 18th this season. FACT - source Kelvin Thomas, Radio Northampton Cobblers Show.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Observing on November 02, 2023, 20:32:48 pm
We had the 10th highest budget last season and an 18th this season. FACT - source Kelvin Thomas, Radio Northampton Cobblers Show.

This will be denied by some as theyíve been told different by the horse in the field.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 07, 2023, 21:26:24 pm
Tennis ball retailers in Reading are still doing a roaring trade it seems, their game against Bristol Rovers was halted by yet another protest against the owners. They did pick up a point though in a 1-1 draw but remain bottom.
Wigan pulled away up to 17th in the table following a 2-1 win over Posh, they have 17 points and would be in 7th if it wasn't for their points deduction.
Shrewsbury missed out on a chance to move up the table as they fell to Bolton. The Shrews remain as the team directly above us with three points more from a game more.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on November 07, 2023, 21:49:56 pm
So as a matter of interest and you got your wish and some billionaire took on the Cobblers and got us up the leagues.

Would that be his folly?
No because we have a history, we are a football league club, and crucially we could sustain it, we would easily get 15-20k in the Championship give the right capacity.
Where as Fleetwood have no history and couldnít sustain a higher league.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 11, 2023, 14:11:19 pm
Same as a couple of weeks ago, Fleetwood score and Cobblers drop into the relegation zone. Didn't stay that way last time, let's hope it doesn't this.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 18, 2023, 15:53:48 pm
Shrewsbury in free fall, such a shame Sam missed that penalty, the table could look do much different now.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Larry on November 18, 2023, 18:02:20 pm
Shrewsbury in free fall, such a shame Sam missed that penalty, the table could look do much different now.

You cant stop digging at Sam Hoskins. Give it a rest


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 18, 2023, 18:36:47 pm
You cant stop digging at Sam Hoskins. Give it a rest

Is there something factually incorrect in what I said?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Larry on November 18, 2023, 19:10:01 pm
Is there something factually incorrect in what I said?

No, it was just another one of your digs against Sam Hoskins


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 18, 2023, 20:16:34 pm
No, it was just another one of your digs against Sam Hoskins

Funny isn't it. When post after posts praises Hoskins, quite deservedly, nobody says "Give it a rest" do they? Yet should someone have the temerity to suggest that penalty miss could prove vital at the end of the season, and it could yet, they are told to shut up. The post ratio praising Hoskins against those that don't must be 100 to 1 on here yet still some of you can't stand that odd one can you? Pathetic.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Coolcat on November 18, 2023, 20:47:57 pm
Is Hoskins the c**t who missed a penalty at Shrewsbury?
Otherwise, Tom Hoskins is Leicester's second ale brewery behind Everard's!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: everbrite on November 18, 2023, 23:48:18 pm
Is Hoskins the c**t who missed a penalty at Shrewsbury?
Otherwise, Tom Hoskins is Leicester's second ale brewery behind Everard's!

You have been on the pop again Lord Falstaff!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on November 19, 2023, 07:39:06 am
I think Harry Kane has missed more penalties than Hoskins.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 19, 2023, 08:04:53 am
I think Harry Kane has missed more penalties than Hoskins.

Not for us though   8)


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bingers on November 19, 2023, 09:31:06 am
Not for us though   8)

Well according to Wikipedia, Kane has missed 4 for "us" as in England. How many has Super Sam missed for "us" as in The Mighty Cobblers? To date, I don't think Super Sam has missed any for England.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Larry on November 19, 2023, 10:01:15 am
Funny isn't it. When post after posts praises Hoskins, quite deservedly, nobody says "Give it a rest" do they? Yet should someone have the temerity to suggest that penalty miss could prove vital at the end of the season, and it could yet, they are told to shut up. The post ratio praising Hoskins against those that don't must be 100 to 1 on here yet still some of you can't stand that odd one can you? Pathetic.

What about the failure to mark Udoh and Burge not covering his post?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 19, 2023, 10:54:43 am
What about the failure to mark Udoh and Burge not covering his post?

I think the point is that in all likelihood wouldn't have happened had the penalty been scored. Shrewsbury would have been completely deflated, they hadn't scored in ages and our whole defensive set-up would have been different had we been leading 1-0. It always is. In my opinion we would have gone on to win that game quite comfortably and would now be sitting in 13th place. That's how important that penalty miss was.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dan on November 19, 2023, 11:01:55 am
What about the failure to mark Udoh and Burge not covering his post?

Butterfly effect.

If the penalty had been scored, then the ball and players would have lined up for a kick off, and that scenario wouldnít have happened.

Not necessarily agreeing with thatís been said, but that Udoh goal doesnít happen if the pen had been successful.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Larry on November 19, 2023, 11:35:43 am
Butterfly effect.

If the penalty had been scored, then the ball and players would have lined up for a kick off, and that scenario wouldnít have happened.

Not necessarily agreeing with thatís been said, but that Udoh goal doesnít happen if the pen had been successful.

That's true but my point is the folly of picking out one event in a game six weeks ago as defining our current position in the table.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on November 19, 2023, 11:44:28 am
The table "would look so much different now" if Sam had not scored 9 goals, if he had only scored about 4 we would be firmly in the bottom 4 so he is well in credit despite missing 1 penalty.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CobblerForever on November 19, 2023, 12:21:43 pm
Anyone else think Marvo might be an avid viewer of Gone Fishing ?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 19, 2023, 14:24:31 pm
Anyone else think Marvo might be an avid viewer of Gone Fishing ?
Hes bored. He hasnt started a new topic for a couple of days..


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 19, 2023, 14:32:07 pm
I mention Shrewsbury in relation to the relegation thread, quite legitimately, all you lot move on to a Hoskins love-fest. Its like a totalitarian state on here, there is zero tolerance of anybody that has the temerity to disagree with the majority viewpoint.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Larry on November 19, 2023, 18:54:49 pm
I mention Shrewsbury in relation to the relegation thread, quite legitimately, all you lot move on to a Hoskins love-fest. Its like a totalitarian state on here, there is zero tolerance of anybody that has the temerity to disagree with the majority viewpoint.

Come on, playing the martyr doesn't suit you. Your dislike of Sam Hoskins is obvious to anyone who regularly reads this message board. Cloaking it with obscure statistics doesn't fool anyone.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 19, 2023, 19:12:11 pm
Come on, playing the martyr doesn't suit you. Your dislike of Sam Hoskins is obvious to anyone who regularly reads this message board. Cloaking it with obscure statistics doesn't fool anyone.

Well its fooled you for a start as you are completely wrong.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: everbrite on November 19, 2023, 22:35:38 pm
I mention Shrewsbury in relation to the relegation thread, quite legitimately, all you lot move on to a Hoskins love-fest. Its like a totalitarian state on here, there is zero tolerance of anybody that has the temerity to disagree with the majority viewpoint.

I personally think your attempt to demonise Hoskins to an irrelevant presence in the team; going back to the Bradford game last season was an error in judgement! Most on here did not appear to support your treatise on Hoskins which was supported by some dubious innovative stats.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 20, 2023, 07:08:07 am
I personally think your attempt to demonise Hoskins to an irrelevant presence in the team; going back to the Bradford game last season was an error in judgement! Most on here did not appear to support your treatise on Hoskins which was supported by some dubious innovative stats.

You still don't get me do you? I'm not like you, I don't need the validation or the reassurance of being in the majority. When Hoskins does eventually finish at the club, whenever that may be, the club will be okay, it will continue as it has for the last several decades going up and down between tiers 3 & 4. It wont be Armageddon. That also applies to both you and me.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: everbrite on November 20, 2023, 14:44:07 pm
You still don't get me do you? I'm not like you, I don't need the validation or the reassurance of being in the majority. When Hoskins does eventually finish at the club, whenever that may be, the club will be okay, it will continue as it has for the last several decades going up and down between tiers 3 & 4. It wont be Armageddon. That also applies to both you and me.

I will only get worried when one of your masterful comments gets unaminous approval.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 20, 2023, 16:53:14 pm
I will only get worried when one of your masterful comments gets unaminous approval.

I know. That's your thing isn't it? It's unanimous by the way.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 20, 2023, 19:49:00 pm
I will only get worried when one of your masterful comments gets unanimous approval.

I agree with Marvo's factual statistics, the interpretation of which is a personal preference.
Marvo's interpretation is one of a few that could be applied.
The fact that it upsets people on here (some quite significantly), is hilarious.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 20, 2023, 19:57:49 pm
I mention Shrewsbury in relation to the relegation thread, quite legitimately, all you lot move on to a Hoskins love-fest. Its like a totalitarian state on here, there is zero tolerance of anybody that has the temerity to disagree with the majority viewpoint.
Perhaps another perspective might be that itís just that no-one agrees with you?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 20, 2023, 20:08:58 pm
Perhaps another perspective might be that itís just that no-one agrees with you?

About what? Shrewsbury? The penalty? Whether we'd be further up the table? Which one is it?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 20, 2023, 21:35:23 pm
About what? Shrewsbury? The penalty? Whether we'd be further up the table? Which one is it?
None. Probably more likely because itís a pointless observation. If you could be bothered to look there would be literally hundreds of examples in any given season where if so and so hadnít have hit the bar, or he hadnít hit the post, or that bloke hadnít have missed an open goal or penalty the result and table wouldíve been different. Many affecting relegation/promotion. Whilst factually accurate all are a bit irrelevant, basically if my auntie had bÚllocks sheíd be my uncle. Still whatever makes you happy.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 20, 2023, 21:46:25 pm
None. Probably more likely because itís a pointless observation. If you could be bothered to look there would be literally hundreds of examples in any given season where if so and so hadnít have hit the bar, or he hadnít hit the post, or that bloke hadnít have missed an open goal or penalty the result and table wouldíve been different. Many affecting relegation/promotion. Whilst factually accurate all are a bit irrelevant, basically if my auntie had bÚllocks sheíd be my uncle. Still whatever makes you happy.

So you've never heard the saying, turning point, or if you have you don't think they exist? All bollocks eh?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 20, 2023, 22:16:44 pm
So you've never heard the saying, turning point, or if you have you don't think they exist? All bollocks eh?
Yep Iíve heard the term, itís just that there are hundreds in any given division over the course of a season. However, one has the option to focus on just one to make a point. Iím just highlighting the fact that itís a bit of an irrelevance.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 21, 2023, 06:25:40 am
I actually fall firmly into the "what if" category. Generally I'm a lot more likely to deal with what's in front of me. But when it comes to my football, I do look back on the season and imagine what would of happened had we done something different. I don't see any harm in debating the potential outcomes, as much as the actuals. After all, the longer thread on this forum remains speculative to say the least. And there those that willingly contribute to with out any idea of what has sometimes happened, and of course what will.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 06:41:01 am
I actually fall firmly into the "what if" category. Generally I'm a lot more likely to deal with what's in front of me. But when it comes to my football, I do look back on the season and imagine what would of happened had we done something different. I don't see any harm in debating the potential outcomes, as much as the actuals. After all, the longer thread on this forum remains speculative to say the least. And there those that willingly contribute to with out any idea of what has sometimes happened, and of course what will.
Perfectly understandable Tel and why not, that's your prerogative. Marvo is a bit different though, for him its like a dictatorial state on here, there is zero tolerance of anybody that has the temerity to disagree with one of his minority viewpoints.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 21, 2023, 07:26:36 am
Perfectly understandable Tel and why not, that's your prerogative. Marvo is a bit different though, for him its like a dictatorial state on here, there is zero tolerance of anybody that has the temerity to disagree with one of his minority viewpoints.

Hello Mr Pot, let me introduce Mr Kettle.

Oh and just to be clear, which minority viewpoint is this? You said you didn't disagree with anything I'd said not but just 5 pots ago.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 08:35:47 am
Hello Mr Pot, let me introduce Mr Kettle.

Oh and just to be clear, which minority viewpoint is this? You said you didn't disagree with anything I'd said not but just 5 pots ago.
I disagree with your view that its a like totalitarian state on here because the people who responded to your post thought the Hoskins penalty miss wasn't much of an indication of anything. I happen to agree with them for the reasons I explained, you seem to be struggling to get over it though?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Carton Lid on November 21, 2023, 08:51:07 am
Perfectly understandable Tel and why not, that's your prerogative. Marvo is a bit different though, for him its like a dictatorial state on here, there is zero tolerance of anybody that has the temerity to disagree with one of his minority viewpoints.
And he is 100% correct


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 09:00:17 am
And he is 100% correct
Who, Tel or Marvo or both?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Coolcat on November 21, 2023, 09:04:55 am
None. Probably more likely because itís a pointless observation. If you could be bothered to look there would be literally hundreds of examples in any given season where if so and so hadnít have hit the bar, or he hadnít hit the post, or that bloke hadnít have missed an open goal or penalty the result and table wouldíve been different. Many affecting relegation/promotion. Whilst factually accurate all are a bit irrelevant, basically if my auntie had bÚllocks sheíd be my uncle. Still whatever makes you happy.
So basically, you are refuting the concept of regret - and therefore by default, saying you have never regretted anything in your life.
If that is the case, you are not telling the truth...bit like your place of abode seemingly!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 09:06:15 am
So basically, you are refuting the concept of regret - and therefore by default, saying you have never regretted anything in your life.
If that is the case, you are not telling the truth...bit like your place of abode seemingly!
Are you having a go at me again? The way youíre carrying on weíll have to start calling you Hotpussy


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 21, 2023, 09:07:05 am
I disagree with your view that its a like totalitarian state on here because the people who responded to your post thought the Hoskins penalty miss wasn't much of an indication of anything. I happen to agree with them for the reasons I explained, you seem to be struggling to get over it though?

No I'm fine. I think the penalty miss cost us at least 1 point, more than likely 3. We could end this season 21st, 5 pts adrift of Shrewsbury. The swing from losing at Shrewsbury to winning is 6pts. If the penalty had gone in, we'd be 13th now. That's quite possibly the highest position we could hope for this season and one that almost everybody would be happy with, including I'd imagine the Chairman, manager and players, let alone us the supporters. You disagree with all of that. That's cool.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 09:10:15 am
No I'm fine. I think the penalty miss cost us at least 1 point, more than likely 3. We could end this season 21st, 5 pts adrift of Shrewsbury. The swing from losing at Shrewsbury to winning is 6pts. If the penalty had gone in, we'd be 13th now. That's quite possibly the highest position we could hope for this season and one that almost everybody would be happy with, including I'd imagine the Chairman, manager and players, let alone us the supporters. You disagree with all of that. That's cool.
Help Mods Iím being cyber bullied, Iíve got a whole gang after me.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on November 21, 2023, 09:20:13 am
Help Mods Iím being cyber bullied, Iíve got a whole gang after me.
Fcuking hell youíre bleating like a stuffed koala, you and your like have been bullying Beds for years.
Howís the weather in Melbourne 😂😂😂😂


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 09:23:04 am
Fcuking hell youíre bleating like a stuffed koala, you and your like have been bullying Beds for years.
Howís the weather in Melbourne 😂😂😂😂

Jesus now Guessworkís turned up, Iím taking a standing 8 count, Deepcut where are you?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on November 21, 2023, 09:50:51 am

 Jesus now Guessworkís turned up, Iím taking a standing 8 count.


The sooner you accept that Hoskins inability to score that penalty has cost us a nailed on mid-table position (and probable promotion push) the sooner everyone can move on. Forget his other goals, unless they are the only goals or ones that secured any points they are irrelevant. His goal at Exeter looked really important, until Brough ruled that one out in the last minute. Hoskins should be suitably ashamed of himself.

Either that or you can keep getting bullied.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 09:53:21 am
The sooner you accept that Hoskins inability to score that penalty has cost us a nailed on mid-table position (and probable promotion push) the sooner everyone can move on. Forget his other goals, unless they are the only goals or ones that secured any points they are irrelevant. His goal at Exeter looked really important, until Brough ruled that one out in the last minute. Hoskins should be suitably ashamed of himself.

Either that or you can keep getting bullied.
If it was another quartet I might start doubting myself but letís be honest, we wonít be seeing this lot make up a 4 on University Challenge anytime soon will we?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 21, 2023, 10:03:19 am
If it was another quartet I might start doubting myself but letís be honest, we wonít be seeing this lot make up a 4 on University Challenge anytime soon will we?

Charming. So you bring up bullying but then start insulting the intelligence of your fellow supporters instead of sticking to the debate.

Also, if I'm in such a minority, how do I become the bully?

Note: You may be right, I never went to university so wouldn't qualify.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clarity on November 21, 2023, 10:03:27 am
So basically, you are refuting the concept of regret - and therefore by default, saying you have never regretted anything in your life.
If that is the case, you are not telling the truth...bit like your place of abode seemingly!
He's not saying he doesn't have any regrets about things not going our way. He's basically saying there are a lot of examples where things go for or against a team in a season. Hoskins missing a penalty is a prime example of something that went against us. The simple fact is Marvo doesn't like Hoskins and has highlighted his miss. I look forward to his opinions on all the others that have cost us.. Brough is a good example


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 21, 2023, 10:07:31 am
Who, Tel or Marvo or both?

It won't be Melbourne. I'm rarely 10% right.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 10:09:52 am
It won't be Melbourne. I'm rarely 10% right.
Thank goodness, I had a terrible feeling I was having some sort of episode?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 21, 2023, 10:10:19 am
He's not saying he doesn't have any regrets about things not going our way. He's basically saying there are a lot of examples where things go for or against a team in a season. Hoskins missing a penalty is a prime example of something that went against us. The simple fact is Marvo doesn't like Hoskins and has highlighted his miss. I look forward to his opinions on all the others that have cost us.. Brough is a good example

I don't dislike Hoskins AT ALL, I just like to provide balance. However he may have been injured or replaced earlier that game and somebody else could have stepped up and missed, we'd be having the same debate, it's not about Hoskins, others make it about him, it's about the penalty miss that may or may not affect us later down the road.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Coolcat on November 21, 2023, 10:10:53 am
He's not saying he doesn't have any regrets about things not going our way. He's basically saying there are a lot of examples where things go for or against a team in a season. Hoskins missing a penalty is a prime example of something that went against us. The simple fact is Marvo doesn't like Hoskins and has highlighted his miss. I look forward to his opinions on all the others that have cost us.. Brough is a good example
No, he brought in a bizarre example of whataboutism..."if my auntie had bollocks..." which again states that he doesn't accept the premise of regret or counter-factual.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 10:11:09 am
Charming. So you bring up bullying but then start insulting the intelligence of your fellow supporters instead of sticking to the debate.

Also, if I'm in such a minority, how do I become the bully?

Note: You may be right, I never went to university so wouldn't qualify.
Canít have a laugh on here anymore.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 10:15:50 am
I don't dislike Hoskins AT ALL, I just like to provide balance. However he may have been injured or replaced earlier that game and somebody else could have stepped up and missed, we'd be having the same debate, it's not about Hoskins, others make it about him, it's about the penalty miss that may or may not affect us later down the road.
Looks like you will just have to accept some wonít agree with you. Never mind if he hits the post next week it will add more weight to the argument, unless the opposition hit the post in which case will this cancel it out. If so if they miss a penalty will that cancel out Hoskins penalty or is it only his misdemeanours that qualify, not being confrontational, Iím. Just not clear on the rules?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 21, 2023, 10:16:34 am
To just try to settle the dust a bit. I don't think there is a wrong or right here. Because we are arguing at different ends of the spectrum. By missing a penalty, it hindered our chances, but that is only one of many factors that impact on the overall outcome. But equally, it is only important in terms of saying "if only".  Where we have a clash is between the, it makes a huge difference brigade. And the, "move on and consign it to the past brigade". There is no common ground to be had.

But the fact that something happened that could have made a difference. Certainly makes it relevant. But irreversible.

And stop chatting shyte about bullying, unless you wish to report something. Beds/Dave would be pi$$ing himself reading that.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: guest3649 on November 21, 2023, 10:18:57 am
Bad weather for golfing, babyís bored  ;)


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 21, 2023, 10:30:52 am
I don't play golf in the winter, unless I'm abroad. It's not actually about being bored though, it's about having the time to reply or getting involved. I enjoy the debate when I have the time.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on November 21, 2023, 10:33:01 am
There is definitely a boredom factor on the lack of genuine football discussion to be had....

The main difference on penalties is that it is recorded and recognised as a genuine opportunity to score (c75%, so failing to score isn't really a major shock), as opposed to golden chances from open play with similar success rates. I'm sure him and others have missed plenty of those. That is before you start on howlers at the back from the defenders and goalies. Midfield is the place to be, unless you cough up possession that leads to a goal.
I wonder if any statto's have/could get Hoskin's success rate from the spot? We can then know in advance when he is likely to miss the next one.  :P

Whatever your view on Marvo, he gets people talking, a bit like ol' Delboy.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CobblerForever on November 21, 2023, 10:36:02 am
Charming. So you bring up bullying but then start insulting the intelligence of your fellow supporters instead of sticking to the debate.

Also, if I'm in such a minority, how do I become the bully?

Note: You may be right, I never went to university so wouldn't qualify.

You should apply for Mastermind. Those Cobblers Stats and several reads through Frank Grande's book and you should be able to nail the Specialist Subject section.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 21, 2023, 10:42:24 am
Turning points fascinate me and for some reason stay in the mind. I'll give you an example about two sending offs. One that took place, one that didn't.

No 1) Rushden & Diamonds away. it's 2-2, injury time and Billy Sharp breaks from the half-way line, Luke Chambers could and perhaps should have brought him down. I believe the manager hinted at it afterwards. He would have got sent off but we'd have got the draw. He didn't, Sharpe scored and we lost.

No 2) Nottingham Forest at home in Calderwood's return. McGleish stupidly got himself sent off. Our 10 men put up a valiant effort but we lost 0-1. What might have been.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on November 21, 2023, 10:47:27 am
Charming. So you bring up bullying but then start insulting the intelligence of your fellow supporters instead of sticking to the debate.

Also, if I'm in such a minority, how do I become the bully?

Note: You may be right, I never went to university so wouldn't qualify.
Hilarious, my intellect is being challenged by someone who pretends he lives in Australia 😂


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 21, 2023, 10:48:02 am
You should apply for Mastermind. Those Cobblers Stats and several reads through Frank Grande's book and you should be able to nail the Specialist Subject section.

Nah, I have a terrible memory. If ever I answer a question without checking, I'm invariably wrong. The older I get, the more mistakes I make.

I am quite proud of the stats I put on here though, you wont find that information anywhere else on the internet and my hope is people will still find them useful long after I have departed this forum/world.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on November 21, 2023, 10:54:34 am
It's all rather pointless really as you could point at most games and say what if

What if Hoskins had not scored at Tranmere in the final game of last season, it would have made absolutely no difference. So when he scores it makes no difference but missing the penalty at Shrewsbury (only the 2nd he has ever missed) makes a difference.

Talking of Shrewsbury, if it had not been for Pat Gavin's arse in 1993 we would have been relegated from the EFL.

If it wasn't for Lee Burge's excellent form last season we would not have got promoted      but
If Lee Burge had not been at fault for several goals this season we would have been higher than 13th so his errors have cost us more than Hoskin's penalty miss.

If we had not lost at home to Fulham in 1966 we would have maintained our place in the top flight for at least another season.

If George Best had failed to score in the FA Cup game when Man Utd beat us 8-2 we would have drawn 2-2 and had a replay at Old Trafford.

If Mr and Mrs Hoskins had given birth to a girl instead of a boy Samantha would be playing for our ladies team.

I could go on and on and according to my wife I sometimes do but as the saying goes "if ifs and and were pots and pans there would be no need for tinkers".


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 21, 2023, 11:04:09 am
It's all rather pointless really as you could point at most games and say what if

What if Hoskins had not scored at Tranmere in the final game of last season, it would have made absolutely no difference. So when he scores it makes no difference but missing the penalty at Shrewsbury (only the 2nd he has ever missed) makes a difference.

Talking of Shrewsbury, if it had not been for Pat Gavin's arse in 1993 we would have been relegated from the EFL.

If it wasn't for Lee Burge's excellent form last season we would not have got promoted      but
If Lee Burge had not been at fault for several goals this season we would have been higher than 13th so his errors have cost us more than Hoskin's penalty miss.

If we had not lost at home to Fulham in 1966 we would have maintained our place in the top flight for at least another season.

If George Best had failed to score in the FA Cup game when Man Utd beat us 8-2 we would have drawn 2-2 and had a replay at Old Trafford.

If Mr and Mrs Hoskins had given birth to a girl instead of a boy Samantha would be playing for our ladies team.

I could go on and on and according to my wife I sometimes do but as the saying goes "if ifs and and were pots and pans there would be no need for tinkers".

It's just a debate, a talking point. This is a forum which was set up for people to talk and debate about all things Cobblers.

Your posts (like my stats) about previous matches are all fairly pointless too but people enjoy reading them so why not. What do you suggest people talk about on this forum? How many posts would have been made today without this discussion? What would you prefer, click on the site, see there were no posts since you clicked on yesterday and move on? I really don't understand some of you.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 11:06:02 am
Look, joking aside the way I look at it is that itís unrealistic that a player will score every penalty he takes. So whilst itís factually correct that every miss may cost you points itís inevitable that a player will miss some. Given that each team has a specialist penalty taker, I prefer to look at it that if a player converts better than average heís probably gaining points rather than losing them. However, when all said and done both are reasonable perspectives, itís just down to which you prefer. If someone looks at it another way you canít really argue. I will say though that I hope Hoskins doesnít read this forum, heíll probably never score from the spot again.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 11:08:15 am
Hilarious, my intellect is being challenged by someone who pretends he lives in Australia 😂
The next time you come over me and you are meeting up mate, Chapel Street or Southbank you decide?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on November 21, 2023, 11:10:36 am
In light of todayís events, Hoskins is most definitely ďNOT GUILTYĒ  >:D


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on November 21, 2023, 11:35:05 am
Are you likening Hoskins to Mackintosh and Grossman?

Just another 1, if we had increased our ground capacity years ago the redevelopment thread would not now have reached 2069 pages, what a lot of time that would have saved some of our posters.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Shoemender on November 21, 2023, 11:37:23 am
You should apply for Mastermind. Those Cobblers Stats and several reads through Frank Grande's book and you should be able to nail the Specialist Subject section.

Already been done, years ago. Anybody know him. I don't recognise him.

https://youtu.be/p1wUAUHIzVs?si=Gozdwb38b4rbVtmA


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on November 21, 2023, 11:39:27 am
Already been done, years ago. Anybody know him. I don't recognise him.

https://youtu.be/p1wUAUHIzVs?si=Gozdwb38b4rbVtmA

That's a poster 'DYL' from memory and didn't he do well?! You might say you knew a lot of the answers but being in that chair must be next level!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 21, 2023, 11:46:12 am
Already been done, years ago. Anybody know him. I don't recognise him.

https://youtu.be/p1wUAUHIzVs?si=Gozdwb38b4rbVtmA

I got 10.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on November 21, 2023, 11:49:44 am
I got 10.

I didn't count but must have been similar. It's a hard one to revise for with so much history but they threw a few easier ones in for the 'common' fan.
I'm sure I saw DYL post on here not too long ago, so maybe he can remind us of his experience.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on November 21, 2023, 11:59:53 am
The next time you come over me and you are meeting up mate, Chapel Street or Southbank you decide?
Love too mate 😉


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 21, 2023, 12:22:27 pm
Already been done, years ago. Anybody know him. I don't recognise him.

https://youtu.be/p1wUAUHIzVs?si=Gozdwb38b4rbVtmA
And theres one who posts on here, having had several different user names in the past, who appeared on "Deal or no deal". I cant recall if he won owt though.  :D


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 13:14:20 pm
Fcuking hell youíre bleating like a stuffed koala, you and your like have been bullying Beds for years.
Howís the weather in Melbourne 😂😂😂😂

Donít really want to drag this out but can I just make one point. Many years ago when I joined this forum there were some fairly vociferous opinions being banded around regarding the owners. I somewhat unusually put up some innocuous comments in defence and Dave and Derek rounded on me like a pair of chattering hyenas. So as far as I am concerned that made them fair game, and if anyone doesnít like it tough. If you canít take it, donít give it out. You wonít ever see me complaining.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 13:38:25 pm
Love too mate 😉
Thatís a date then, not in a sexual way obviously.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dyl on November 21, 2023, 17:42:35 pm
I didn't count but must have been similar. It's a hard one to revise for with so much history but they threw a few easier ones in for the 'common' fan.
I'm sure I saw DYL post on here not too long ago, so maybe he can remind us of his experience.

It was a long time ago. 15 years I reckon. So I'm not surprised people don't recognise me from the video.

I originally wanted to do 1960-2000 but they told me they wanted me to do the entire history of the club. So that's what I did. I went through every book I could find pulling out facts that could plausibly be asked about and turning them into questions to practice. Frank Grande was a great help in providing context and clarifications. By the time I went on I had pushing 1000 questions written. Haven't watched it back for a while but from memory I missed a cup shock, which was simply down to the pressure of trying to recall it at speed, and a player of no significance who hadn't crossed my radar

After all that prep it felt like an easy ride. But the reason you do all of that prep is to be able to answer at speed when you need to. I lost in the semis that year. A few years later I got to the semis again and did Herbert Chapman as my subject. Alas I lost on a tiebreak. I had one more stab at it, and again lost in the semis. A couple of years later after success on 15 to 1 I got asked to write for 15 to 1, and when the questions team moved to Mastermind I went with them. So now that I write for the show I won't be able to go on it again.

But it is a scary and exhilarating experience to go on Mastermind. I'd recommend it to anyone.

As a postscript, when I was prepping The Cobblers, unbeknowns to me the question writer was struggling to get his hands on the centenary history. I'm known in quiz circles for being a Cobblers fan, so even though he didn't know me I got a private message on a message board asking if I had a copy he could borrow. I didn't reply and told the show's producer immediately and that was that. Many months later when the show was due to be broadcast the Mail on Sunday ran a full page article headed "mastermind contestant asked to write his own questions" which of course was not what happened. They made no attempt to contact me before publication. In the course of pursuing a complaint against them they initially claimed that they couldn't find a way of contacting me. When I told them I was in the phone book (that's how long ago it was) the Managing Editor had to admit fault. He also admitted that I was collateral damage in an attack on the BBC. That's who they were really after. The story was repeated by the Independent and Telegraph almost word for word, and thereafter went worldwide. The only place it was taken down was on the Mail's website after my complaint. It was a real eye opener.


I saw mention elsewhere of Deal or No Deal. I haven't done that. I stick to quizzes. I think that was Glen Cousner.



Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on November 21, 2023, 18:33:08 pm
It was a long time ago. 15 years I reckon. So I'm not surprised people don't recognise me from the video.

I originally wanted to do 1960-2000 but they told me they wanted me to do the entire history of the club. So that's what I did. I went through every book I could find pulling out facts that could plausibly be asked about and turning them into questions to practice. Frank Grande was a great help in providing context and clarifications. By the time I went on I had pushing 1000 questions written. Haven't watched it back for a while but from memory I missed a cup shock, which was simply down to the pressure of trying to recall it at speed, and a player of no significance who hadn't crossed my radar

After all that prep it felt like an easy ride. But the reason you do all of that prep is to be able to answer at speed when you need to. I lost in the semis that year. A few years later I got to the semis again and did Herbert Chapman as my subject. Alas I lost on a tiebreak. I had one more stab at it, and again lost in the semis. A couple of years later after success on 15 to 1 I got asked to write for 15 to 1, and when the questions team moved to Mastermind I went with them. So now that I write for the show I won't be able to go on it again.

But it is a scary and exhilarating experience to go on Mastermind. I'd recommend it to anyone.

As a postscript, when I was prepping The Cobblers, unbeknowns to me the question writer was struggling to get his hands on the centenary history. I'm known in quiz circles for being a Cobblers fan, so even though he didn't know me I got a private message on a message board asking if I had a copy he could borrow. I didn't reply and told the show's producer immediately and that was that. Many months later when the show was due to be broadcast the Mail on Sunday ran a full page article headed "mastermind contestant asked to write his own questions" which of course was not what happened. They made no attempt to contact me before publication. In the course of pursuing a complaint against them they initially claimed that they couldn't find a way of contacting me. When I told them I was in the phone book (that's how long ago it was) the Managing Editor had to admit fault. He also admitted that I was collateral damage in an attack on the BBC. That's who they were really after. The story was repeated by the Independent and Telegraph almost word for word, and thereafter went worldwide. The only place it was taken down was on the Mail's website after my complaint. It was a real eye opener.


I saw mention elsewhere of Deal or No Deal. I haven't done that. I stick to quizzes. I think that was Glen Cousner.



Nice story Gareth.
Yeah it was Glen Cousner who went onto a career in towel manufacturing, although he almost lost his pension.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on November 21, 2023, 19:45:28 pm
Thatís a date then, not in a sexual way obviously.
Oh you tease


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 21, 2023, 19:51:27 pm
Oh you tease
;D


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 22, 2023, 08:20:20 am


But it is a scary and exhilarating experience to go on Mastermind. I'd recommend it to anyone.




Great story Dyl. But I have to take exception to the above comment. Have you read most of the comments on here? You'd struggle to piece together a salient answer from hardly any of us.  ;D


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on November 22, 2023, 18:07:57 pm
Great story Dyl. But I have to take exception to the above comment. Have you read most of the comments on here? You'd struggle to piece together a salient answer from hardly any of us.  ;D
Iíve got all the answers.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bingers on November 22, 2023, 18:47:00 pm
Great story Dyl. But I have to take exception to the above comment. Have you read most of the comments on here? You'd struggle to piece together a salient answer from hardly any of us.  ;D

There is someone on here who knows all the FACTS. They would be great on it. They could even tell Magnus Magnusson if he was wrong.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tabasco Kid on November 22, 2023, 19:21:49 pm
There is someone on here who knows all the FACTS. They would be great on it. They could even tell Magnus Magnusson if he was wrong.
Manny has many contacts in this world. But unless he has a medium in his little black book, that could prove tricky.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on November 23, 2023, 08:30:04 am
Manny has many contacts in this world. But unless he has a medium in his little black book, that could prove tricky.
;D


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 23, 2023, 13:46:19 pm
There is someone on here who knows all the FACTS. They would be great on it. They could even tell Magnus Magnusson if he was wrong.

I'm surprised old hubris central hasn't told us that he knows him already..


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on November 28, 2023, 19:42:10 pm
The way things are going, this will have very little interest to us.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itsme on November 28, 2023, 21:43:48 pm
I really hope your right


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 03, 2024, 18:24:31 pm
I thought I'd better dig this back up on the basis of providing balance.

We still look fairly safe, Cheltenham in 22nd are still massive 17pts behind us. Reading are 12pts behind in the final relegation position.

In the table I've been providing Kevin Wilson had 1 point more than Brady at this point, however Wilson only won 4 of his last 17 matches and only 1 of his last 10 but still finished in 18th spot and still 6 pts clear of the team in 21st so we'd have to go on an unprecedented bad run to become involved. The downside is the manager doesn't seem very content, we've an horrendous injury list and once you get in a losing streak it's very difficult to break free of it. We've still got 5 home games against teams currently below us so that's a bonus however 3 of them come in our final three games at Sixfields and I wouldn't want the pressure of entering that run needing the points. Hopefully we'll pick up some extra points along the way.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on February 03, 2024, 18:51:15 pm
Bookies running at 100-1. Iíll run the book at 150-1 if anyone wants a flutter.
Never gonna happen.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itsme on February 03, 2024, 19:15:15 pm
We won't go down I said 17th at the start of the season well be there or there abouts come the end


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 03, 2024, 19:58:43 pm
We will be in league one next season. With it looks like a few tasty additions from the championship. And quite possibly a wonderful trip to Mansfield as well..

Canít wait already. 


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on February 03, 2024, 20:15:25 pm
Always one team that drops like a stone due to being complacent & thinking the jobs done...

We still need 52 points so every point is valuable at this level...

Thankfully, most of the other results went our way today & there are some huge games on Tuesday night...

The post match from Brady was very telling in that he feels he never got the support he needed from the board during the last few days of the window...

Gonna be a long hard slog to get to those magical 52 points...

Just hope some of the teams below us implode!

Also, today was exactly the reason many of us thought the play offs were always pie in the sky, we financial can't compete at this level at the moment...

It also doesn't help when you spend a huge chunk of the budget on 2 year contract for a striker who never scores & is always injured!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ajp on February 03, 2024, 21:08:55 pm
Agree in a way but plenty of teams have had and are still having success without being anywhere near the top budget wise.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on February 03, 2024, 21:14:45 pm
I think 47/48 will be enough this season, although I can see us finishing on 55+


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ajp on February 03, 2024, 21:18:19 pm
I think 47/48 will be enough this season, although I can see us finishing on 55+

That 4th spot worries me slightly


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on February 04, 2024, 08:32:20 am
That 4th spot worries me slightly

If you look at the sheer volume of teams who need points to pass us, let alone put us in the bottom
4 it ainít gonna happen. If we go on a 14 game losing run I might start slightly worrying. Thatís when JB gets the bullet and Wilder comes in to save us, because he wonít be at Sheff United by then.  :P


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dan on February 04, 2024, 11:37:25 am
The team dropping from nowhere has been on course for months.

Port Vale have been ever since they beat us in September. 2 wins since that win.



Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 04, 2024, 13:11:22 pm
So, Tuesday night three of the bottom four are playing, all away from home and none look likely to gain any points.

Then Saturday, Cheltenham and Fleetwood have tricky away games, Carlisle are at home but to league leaders Portsmouth. Reading v Charlton is the only game you can see any of the bottom 4 making a move and even then it would just drag the Addicks closer to the drop.

We'll probably lose to Bolton but I don't think it will make much different in us dropping closer to the relegation mire, at least points wise.

By the end of February the picture will be much clearer.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 06, 2024, 20:43:38 pm
It's that time again. Reading win at Stevenage, Fleetwood win at Bristol Rovers and Exeter beat Peterborough. Suddenly we are closer to the relegation zone than we are the play-offs.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on February 07, 2024, 12:01:08 pm
I doubt we will be dragged into the relegation fight, no team has gone down in the last 10 seasons with 51 points and last season Cambridge stayed up with 46. The average number of points to avoid relegation in the last 10 years (ignoring the covid shortened season) is 48.1 points.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 07, 2024, 12:49:15 pm
I doubt we will be dragged into the relegation fight, no team has gone down in the last 10 seasons with 51 points and last season Cambridge stayed up with 46. The average number of points to avoid relegation in the last 10 years (ignoring the covid shortened season) is 48.1 points.
We donít live in an average world though, 50 points minimum, we should do it with ease but stranger things have happened.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 13, 2024, 21:10:37 pm
Still a 10 point cushion though Port Vale do have 2 games in hand now.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 13, 2024, 21:31:52 pm
I doubt we will be dragged into the relegation fight, no team has gone down in the last 10 seasons with 51 points and last season Cambridge stayed up with 46. The average number of points to avoid relegation in the last 10 years (ignoring the covid shortened season) is 48.1 points.

On the comparable week last season the teams in 20th and 21st had 30 and 29 points respectively, this season they have 32 and 31, so the safety target would appear that its going be a bit higher this season than last.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on February 14, 2024, 07:37:18 am
Last season Cambridge stayed up with 46 points.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 14, 2024, 07:43:21 am
Last season Cambridge stayed up with 46 points.
;D But itís not last season and the way the bottom 4 have been picking up points we could be in the mix if we donít win in the next run of 5 games, Boro, Oxford and Rovers who beat Stevenage away yesterday in that run. FACT.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on February 14, 2024, 07:53:27 am
While several were dreaming of a fanciful play off push, I like many others, realised with the current injury ravaged squad we have at our disposal, it's all about getting to the 52 point mark ASAP.

This season was all about staying up (yes i'd too love a play off push but with no tangible backing & continually taking punts on injury prone players it quickly became evident it was never a realistic target)

So, yes, as expected, we are truly in a relegation fight until we get those elusive 11 points...

Rovers on Saturday & Burton away the following Saturday & Charlton at home the Saturday after that are huge "must not lose" games...

If we get can get something at Oxford, that's a bonus!

Thing is. we don't know any timescales on any of the injured players, so we don't have a clue what the team will be from game to game.

Simpson must start over Appere though


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on February 14, 2024, 07:56:43 am
No team has gone down with 51 points in the last 10 seasons so we need another 10 points from 15 games to reach that magical figure, it would take a disastrous run of results not to achieve that. Towards the end of the season we have home games to come against Port Vale, Carlisle and Exeter but on second thoughts they will all be fighting desperately to stay up so perhaps we should accept that we are doomed.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on February 14, 2024, 08:17:17 am
In the spirit of previous posts "close this thread!"  :P

We ain't going down, we ain't going to be in a relegation scrap. FACT

Super Sammy will rise like Lazarus and see us comfortably retain our L1 status. Failing that Super Simmo is about to embark on a golden scoring spree and our defence is about to stop fannying about.
Some people just like to lose their nerve on a consistent basis.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: everbrite on February 14, 2024, 09:16:36 am
In the spirit of previous posts "close this thread!"  :P

We ain't going down, we ain't going to be in a relegation scrap. FACT

Super Sammy will rise like Lazarus and see us comfortably retain our L1 status. Failing that Super Simmo is about to embark on a golden scoring spree and our defence is about to stop fannying about.
Some people just like to lose their nerve on a consistent basis.


Good point made in the last sentence.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: threeinabed on February 14, 2024, 09:18:49 am
The rest of this month and March is brutal for fixtures.

Hopefully, we are not totally out of form when the potentially more winnable games come round in April.

I still think we will be closer to the drop zone than we would like come the end of the season, but the bookies are more confident - still have us at 80/1 to go down!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: lordjord on February 14, 2024, 09:35:20 am
This period reminds me a bit of that earlier in the season where we were so low on bodies and the results just tailed off massively. We just need to try and keep the points ticking over a little until the squad numbers can return and try and get some sharpness into those coming back. I am a big fan of Ben Fox when he is fit but he has looked very sluggish (understandably) upon his return.

I still think we will be fine but finishing around 16/18th is very likely imo.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 14, 2024, 09:55:27 am
This period reminds me a bit of that earlier in the season where we were so low on bodies and the results just tailed off massively. We just need to try and keep the points ticking over a little until the squad numbers can return and try and get some sharpness into those coming back. I am a big fan of Ben Fox when he is fit but he has looked very sluggish (understandably) upon his return.

I still think we will be fine but finishing around 16/18th is very likely imo.
And Fox cannot defend. He has been responsible for a goal in each of his last two games. Both times he waited for the ball to come to him, with an opposition player in close proximity. Thats not just very sluggish, thats very naive.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: lordjord on February 14, 2024, 10:15:50 am
And Fox cannot defend. He has been responsible for a goal in each of his last two games. Both times he waited for the ball to come to him, with an opposition player in close proximity. Thats not just very sluggish, thats very naive.

I dont disagree with that but his injury last season was from throwing himself in for a block. I wonder if the mental scars of that are yet to heal.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 14, 2024, 10:23:06 am
I dont disagree with that but his injury last season was from throwing himself in for a block. I wonder if the mental scars of that are yet to heal.
Both times it wasnt a case of going in for a block, more a case of not advancing towards the incoming ball, to get in front of the attacking player. I take your point though.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Observing on February 14, 2024, 10:35:28 am
Feels like we are discovering that our back ups and in some case our back up back ups are not up to L1.

Lintott
Hondermarck
Brough
Fox


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 14, 2024, 10:45:07 am
Feels like we are discovering that our back ups and in some case our back up back ups are not up to L1.

Lintott
Hondermarck
Brough
Fox
Itís very obvious isnít it, bit harsh on Fox coming back from injury after injury, looks like heís picked up a ďknockĒ last night as well FFS, Iíd get rid of him the second the season finishes along with the rest of your list.
Of the injured players even probability dictates at least one or two should be back soon, Ali Kioki has been out for monthís as has AK, whatís going on with McGowan and Sherring, Sowerby and McWilliams?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 14, 2024, 11:07:53 am
It’s very obvious isn’t it, bit harsh on Fox coming back from injury after injury, looks like he’s picked up a “knock” last night as well FFS, I’d get rid of him the second the season finishes along with the rest of your list.
Of the injured players even probability dictates at least one or two should be back soon, Ali Kioki has been out for month’s as has AK, what’s going on with McGowan and Sherring, Sowerby and McWilliams?

Don't you get the personal 'Fitness Update' emails from the club?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 14, 2024, 12:02:05 pm
We still look relatively safe. In only one of the previous eight seasons we've been relegated from the third tier have we been in a better position than we are now. The 1968/9 season being the exception.

(https://i.postimg.cc/k4hZq34Q/Releagtion-seasons.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 14, 2024, 12:25:35 pm
We still look relatively safe. In only one of the previous eight seasons we've been relegated from the third tier have we been in a better position than we are now. The 1968/9 season being the exception.

(https://i.postimg.cc/k4hZq34Q/Releagtion-seasons.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Bloody hell Marvo. That looks like the cats got hold of the wool.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 14, 2024, 12:38:51 pm
Bloody hell Marvo. That looks like the cats got hold of the wool.

Had complaints about the size.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 14, 2024, 12:41:43 pm
Had complaints about the size.
Show off.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 14, 2024, 12:44:21 pm
Show off.

That's nothing, Fenners on another thread has been talking about what it's like to be on the job 10 hours. I'd be lucky to make 10 minutes!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 14, 2024, 12:50:52 pm
That's nothing, Fenners on another thread has been talking about what it's like to be on the job 10 hours. I'd be lucky to make 10 minutes!

Still showing off..  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 14, 2024, 12:52:39 pm
Don't you get the personal 'Fitness Update' emails from the club?
Bit defensive there mate, I donít think itís too much to ask for a report.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Coolcat on February 14, 2024, 12:54:38 pm
We still look relatively safe. In only one of the previous eight seasons we've been relegated from the third tier have we been in a better position than we are now. The 1968/9 season being the exception.

(https://i.postimg.cc/k4hZq34Q/Releagtion-seasons.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Looks like the London Underground map after a few ales...made worse last night with the sudden announcement at Leyton station that there would be no trains!
Que packed buses to Stratford, overground and underground (Wombling free) back to Kings X for a quick half at the Rocket (😮) before getting the 23.09 from Euston!

Does the Jubilee Line mean we are staying up?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 14, 2024, 13:39:07 pm
Looks like the London Underground map after a few ales...made worse last night with the sudden announcement at Leyton station that there would be no trains!
Que packed buses to Stratford, overground and underground (Wombling free) back to Kings X for a quick half at the Rocket () before getting the 23.09 from Euston!

Does the Jubilee Line mean we are staying up?

We got caught up with that, bussed to Canning Town, then tubed to Waterloo to find that they'd cancelled our train and had to wait another hour.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 14, 2024, 14:40:40 pm
We got caught up with that, bussed to Canning Town, then tubed to Waterloo to find that they'd cancelled our train and had to wait another hour.

Wobble time?   ;D ;D


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bingers on February 14, 2024, 17:16:37 pm
in the next run of 5 games,

I think you mean Block.


Good to have you on board Manny.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Saint Cobbler on February 14, 2024, 17:26:12 pm
The rest of this month and March is brutal for fixtures.

Hopefully, we are not totally out of form when the potentially more winnable games come round in April.

I still think we will be closer to the drop zone than we would like come the end of the season, but the bookies are more confident - still have us at 80/1 to go down!
Could be worth a punt  >:D


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 14, 2024, 18:03:55 pm
Could be worth a punt  >:D

It would certainly soften the blow if the worst did happen, worth a fiver and would pay for your season ticket for league 2 in the summer. Can't bring myself to do it though.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on February 16, 2024, 11:21:16 am
A new slant on the stats of teams promoted to division 1 being relegated again that recently appeared on another forum, these are figures of the 4 promoted teams over the last 15 years:-

Year 1. 11 relegated from 60 teams

Year 2.  8 relegated from 43 teams

Year 3.  5 relegated from 30 teams

Year 4.  3 relegated from 22 teams

Year 5.  7 relegated from 17 teams

Year 6.  2 relegated from 9 teams

Conclusion is that we are in much greater danger in year 5 than we are next year. Poster also said that half of the teams relegated from the Championship to division 1 are promoted back up within 2 years and 60% within 3 years.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 16, 2024, 11:43:22 am
A new slant on the stats of teams promoted to division 1 being relegated again that recently appeared on another forum, these are figures of the 4 promoted teams over the last 15 years:-

Year 1. 11 relegated from 60 teams

Year 2.  8 relegated from 43 teams

Year 3.  5 relegated from 30 teams

Year 4.  3 relegated from 22 teams

Year 5.  7 relegated from 17 teams

Year 6.  2 relegated from 9 teams

Conclusion is that we are in much greater danger in year 5 than we are next year. Poster also said that half of the teams relegated from the Championship to division 1 are promoted back up within 2 years and 60% within 3 years.
But we are in L1 getting relegated to L2, so these figures are pointless because the financial aspect isnít the same.
Donít worry youíll get the hang of it soon. :P


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on February 16, 2024, 12:08:22 pm
Exactly we are are in division 1 and the figures quoted are for teams promoted from division 2 to division 1 suffering a return in the following seasons to division 1. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand this.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 16, 2024, 12:15:41 pm
I think far greater significance would to be compare what we have done in this exact situation.

PROMOTED          Lasted
1975/61 Season
1987/83 Seasons
1996/72 Seasons
1999/20002 Seasons
2005/63 Seasons
2015/62 Seasons
2019/201 Season

I've omitted the Bowen miracle for obvious reasons.

We can usually expect us to make it through our 1st season, the second season is tricky (usually worse than the first) and then if we make it that far, we get relegated at the third attempt. Always a first time though, if we make it to 4 season we might be able to consider ourselves a stable League 1 club..


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 17, 2024, 16:11:47 pm
Cheltenham win their third game on the bounce which will have Charlton, Shrewsbury & Reading all looking nervously over their shoulders. I don't think you'll need 50pts to be safe this season.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: WasRambo on February 17, 2024, 16:45:59 pm
I think far greater significance would to be compare what we have done in this exact situation.

PROMOTED          Lasted
1975/61 Season
1987/83 Seasons
1996/72 Seasons
1999/20002 Seasons
2005/63 Seasons
2015/62 Seasons
2019/201 Season

I've omitted the Bowen miracle for obvious reasons.

We can usually expect us to make it through our 1st season, the second season is tricky (usually worse than the first) and then if we make it that far, we get relegated at the third attempt. Always a first time though, if we make it to 4 season we might be able to consider ourselves a stable League 1 club..

Very disappointed this hasn't been shown on a graph tbh

;)


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 18, 2024, 06:35:56 am
We look like a genuine league one outfit. With the exception of a couple off days against very tough opposition, we have done ourselves proud.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 18, 2024, 08:11:51 am
We look like a genuine league one outfit. With the exception of a couple off days against very tough opposition, we have done ourselves proud.
Indeed we do, massive kudos to Jon, Sammo, Marc and the whole team.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: EB Claret on February 18, 2024, 09:50:44 am
I would guess that many fans thought, as I did, that we would stay up but would be hovering around 17-20th place for most of the season. To see us sitting 11th is just brilliant.UTC


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 18, 2024, 10:03:58 am
I would guess that many fans thought, as I did, that we would stay up but would be hovering around 17-20th place for most of the season. To see us sitting 11th is just brilliant.UTC

No need to guess, wasn't there a poll on here on expected finishing position?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Winslow Lee on February 18, 2024, 18:02:29 pm
I would guess that many fans thought, as I did, that we would stay up but would be hovering around 17-20th place for most of the season. To see us sitting 11th is just brilliant.UTC

Interestingly this has been achieved by a squad which by all intents and purposes is that which finished third in league 2 last year. There were plenty on here calling this group of players not up to league 1 standard at the start of the season and calling for signings.
I love how the club have gone about this campaign, we have a group of hardworking players with great spirit who play for each other and are better than the sun of their parts. There are teams below us that have gone for the big name big wage signings but this shows there more to football than just money.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 18, 2024, 18:06:44 pm
Interestingly this has been achieved by a squad which by all intents and purposes is that which finished third in league 2 last year. There were plenty on here calling this group of players not up to league 1 standard at the start of the season and calling for signings.
I love how the club have gone about this campaign, we have a group of hardworking players with great spirit who play for each other and are better than the sun of their parts. There are teams below us that have gone for the big name big wage signings but this shows there more to football than just money.

On the other hand there's Stevenage. Just saying.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Larry on February 18, 2024, 18:08:52 pm
Interestingly this has been achieved by a squad which by all intents and purposes is that which finished third in league 2 last year. There were plenty on here calling this group of players not up to league 1 standard at the start of the season and calling for signings.
I love how the club have gone about this campaign, we have a group of hardworking players with great spirit who play for each other and are better than the sun of their parts. There are teams below us that have gone for the big name big wage signings but this shows there more to football than just money.

I wonder, is this the squad with the least changes after recent promotion to League One?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Shoemaker on February 18, 2024, 18:31:20 pm
I wonder, is this the squad with the least changes after recent promotion to League One?
Thatís a good point
I think our problems always start when we fail to build the next team to try to stay up
We never seem to and we never invest to try to even going back to the Stuart gray times
These are heady days for the club and should be embraced because history dictates it will not last  :(


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Another Pedj on February 18, 2024, 19:11:25 pm
On the other hand there's Stevenage. Just saying.

Or Carlisle who had a great January window.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: everbrite on February 18, 2024, 19:15:44 pm
Or Carlisle who had a great January window.

 ;D

Yeah Marvo why didn't you mention Carlisle


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 18, 2024, 19:19:03 pm
;D

Yeah Marvo why didn't you mention Carlisle

Because Carlisle didn't buy a lot of players last summer so I was comparing like for like.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Winslow Lee on February 18, 2024, 19:21:27 pm
Thatís a good point
I think our problems always start when we fail to build the next team to try to stay up
We never seem to and we never invest to try to

Surely we Ďinvestedí when the Chinese money came in and how did that work out, shows thereís more to football than just money.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bingers on February 18, 2024, 21:21:01 pm
I am sure it was mentioned by some that the contract extensions were to ensure that we had a good competitive League Two side, not one that would be comfortable in the top half of League One.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 18, 2024, 21:59:43 pm
Surely we Ďinvestedí when the Chinese money came in and how did that work out, shows thereís more to football than just money.

There is but money doesnít half help.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 19, 2024, 06:45:02 am
There is but money doesnít half help.

Well... At the moment we are doing very well with what I keep getting reminded is only a small percentage of what our first team should be, if injury free. So what is the problem exactly??

The other day, I saw a chap come onto the pitch who wouldn't touch us with a barge poll under "normal" circumstances. But I would imagine that under the agreement we have with him, plenty of clubs would have given it a punt. But he chose us. As did the clubs that loaned out players to us, that are amongst our best currently. So whilst it is not ideal. I think we are doing very well. Until such a time that we are top of the Prem, the "we could do better mantra" will always be relevant. 


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 19, 2024, 07:22:18 am
Well... At the moment we are doing very well with what I keep getting reminded is only a small percentage of what our first team should be, if injury free. So what is the problem exactly??

The other day, I saw a chap come onto the pitch who wouldn't touch us with a barge poll under "normal" circumstances. But I would imagine that under the agreement we have with him, plenty of clubs would have given it a punt. But he chose us. As did the clubs that loaned out players to us, that are amongst our best currently. So whilst it is not ideal. I think we are doing very well. Until such a time that we are top of the Prem, the "we could do better mantra" will always be relevant. 
Once again the it will do attitude, strive to be the best.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 19, 2024, 07:24:59 am
Once again the it will do attitude, strive to be the best.

Our best and within our (current) means...


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on February 19, 2024, 07:52:23 am
I wonder if any other teams sitting 11th in the league has their top thread called 'relegation watch'?  :P


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 19, 2024, 10:00:59 am
I wonder if any other teams sitting 11th in the league has their top thread called 'relegation watch'?  :P
You canít blame us for being a little scared.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 19, 2024, 19:17:49 pm
Once again the it will do attitude, strive to be the best.

I sometimes wonder if you and Duston are one and the same. Nowhere in my post does it suggest an ďit will do attitudeĒ. It is so clearly about us excelling past our means. It states how with the right attitude and leadership we can box above what was/is expected. At the start of the season, there were plenty who would have expected this thread to have been true by now. And that was with the squad that it was assumed Brady would need just to keep us remotely buoyant. Yet we are currently in a strong position, without the luxury of fielding nowhere near our ďbestĒ side.





Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 20, 2024, 07:01:06 am
I sometimes wonder if you and Duston are one and the same. Nowhere in my post does it suggest an ďit will do attitudeĒ. It is so clearly about us excelling past our means. It states how with the right attitude and leadership we can box above what was/is expected. At the start of the season, there were plenty who would have expected this thread to have been true by now. And that was with the squad that it was assumed Brady would need just to keep us remotely buoyant. Yet we are currently in a strong position, without the luxury of fielding nowhere near our ďbestĒ side.





Imagine what we could do with some backing and a stadium to match that ambition.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risdene on February 20, 2024, 08:58:09 am
Imagine what we could do with some backing and a stadium to match that ambition.
You keep staying the bleeding obvious BUT never state where this funding could realistically come from!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 20, 2024, 11:36:39 am
You keep staying the bleeding obvious BUT never state where this funding could realistically come from!

I think Manny struggles with the reality of the current situation. That's why I likened him to Duston. See.... I like to have a discussion (along with a few others) highlighting how well we are doing. I always hope that the more cerebral types will know that I am doing so, taking it for read that I am giving a summary of our progress under the current managerial and ownership regime. For some reason, that is hard to comprehend by some. Who believe that they are the only ones clever enough, to realise that if in an alternative existence we had millions to invest into the team. Who would be playing in a bigger stadium. We wouldn't be sitting mid table in league one. Now, I have explained it quite a lot, and indicated that we are all aware of the mechanisms of growth for the club. But they still feel the need to keep enlightening us, by stating the fcuking obvious.  ;D



Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Manwork04 on February 20, 2024, 12:15:38 pm
You keep staying the bleeding obvious BUT never state where this funding could realistically come from!
Wrong yet agin, I have posted on here numerous case studies of how ambitious clubs have raised capital.
Itís not a secret Iím sure KT and DB know how, they just donít want to.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risdene on February 20, 2024, 13:55:22 pm
Wrong yet agin, I have posted on here numerous case studies of how ambitious clubs have raised capital.
Itís not a secret Iím sure KT and DB know how, they just donít want to.
Wrong yet again!

It is not an answer by spending other peoples money!

If it is sooooo easy why don't do it?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 20, 2024, 15:07:04 pm
Wrong yet agin, I have posted on here numerous case studies of how ambitious clubs have raised capital.


Perhaps you could enlighten us, with a like for like comparison.

So you'll be looking for a club that has no discernible assets. In an area that has a commercial planning waiting times the second longest in the UK. Built on a compost heap. With a decent cricket club, Rugby club, and the largest motor sport venue in the UK 15 minutes away from it. Sitting almost equidistant between the two largest cities in the UK.

Go for it  ;D


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on February 20, 2024, 22:11:07 pm
I was just studying the bottom 6 in the table and if they all continue to garner points at the same rate as they have so far this season, they'd end up with (figures rounded up)

Shrewsbury 49
Cheltenham 48
Charlton 46
Port Vale 46
Fleetwood 37
Carlisle 29

Looking at that we might need just 1 more win to be safe. When the final table is in it will be interesting to see just when we achieved safety.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itsme on February 21, 2024, 07:37:25 am
If we don't get more win between now and the end of the season we don't deserve to stay up


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: singcobb on February 21, 2024, 12:12:35 pm
I was just studying the bottom 6 in the table and if they all continue to garner points at the same rate as they have so far this season, they'd end up with (figures rounded up)

Shrewsbury 49
Cheltenham 48
Charlton 46
Port Vale 46
Fleetwood 37
Carlisle 29

Looking at that we might need just 1 more win to be safe. When the final table is in it will be interesting to see just when we achieved safety.

I think your bottom four is correct there. Chelts with two games in hand over Charlton and into a good run of form.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itsme on February 21, 2024, 17:39:35 pm
Football is a funny game at times as Cheltenham couldn't buy a goal or point at the start of the season and I think they will stay up


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 27, 2024, 14:41:36 pm
Reading deducted a further two points, to push them back down the table a bit.
https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2024-02-27/reading-fc-docked-further-points-after-persistent-late-payments-to-hmrc


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 27, 2024, 19:36:56 pm
Perhaps you could enlighten us, with a like for like comparison.

So you'll be looking for a club that has no discernible assets. In an area that has a commercial planning waiting times the second longest in the UK. Built on a compost heap. With a decent cricket club, Rugby club, and the largest motor sport venue in the UK 15 minutes away from it. Sitting almost equidistant between the two largest cities in the UK.

Go for it  ;D
Before anyone comes up with any proposals/recommendations/demands/ultimatums can I suggest that people take the time to read the government white paper on football reform. Much of what is being stated would simply not be possible if this policy is implemented. If you canít be bothered, perhaps just look at section 3 subsection 5. I donít think some have quite grasped whatís coming over the horizon

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-sustainable-future-reforming-club-football-governance/a-sustainable-future-reforming-club-football-governance


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: singcobb on February 27, 2024, 19:54:29 pm
Well that's it then. As soon as the government get involved it is the death knell of football. They'll be coming up with rules like your team must contain at least two women, one trans person and three Idon'tf***ingknows.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on February 27, 2024, 19:57:24 pm
Well that's it then. As soon as the government get involved it is the death knell of football. They'll be coming up with rules like your team must contain at least two women, one trans person and three Idon'tf***ingknows.
Thatís section 8 subsection 4


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tabasco Kid on February 27, 2024, 21:08:37 pm
Thatís section 8 subsection 4
;D


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: singcobb on February 28, 2024, 14:38:44 pm
That’s section 8 subsection 4

Paragraph 3.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on March 01, 2024, 09:52:26 am
According to the latest computer end of season forecast we are already safe with 48 points and that will probably prove to be correct. It has Cambridge once again finishing just above the line in 20th position with 46 points. We are forecast to finish 10th on 66 points, another 18 points from our remaining 12 games and that would be more than acceptable.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: 1971cobbler on March 01, 2024, 11:23:15 am
According to the latest computer end of season forecast we are already safe with 48 points and that will probably prove to be correct. It has Cambridge once again finishing just above the line in 20th position with 46 points. We are forecast to finish 10th on 66 points, another 18 points from our remaining 12 games and that would be more than acceptable.

Also has Exeter occupying the last relegation place, forecasting that they will only gain two more points between now and the seasons end!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on March 16, 2024, 15:53:56 pm
At half-time the bottom 6 have hot just 1 point between them. This could be the season where you get a team survive on a very low total. I reckon we've already got enough points.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: singcobb on March 16, 2024, 17:54:43 pm
At half-time the bottom 6 have hot just 1 point between them. This could be the season where you get a team survive on a very low total. I reckon we've already got enough points.

We are safe by a country mile. The bottom three are pretty much certs to go down and the last spot is between Chelts, Cambridge and Burton. I'd like to Burton gone for a.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tabasco Kid on March 16, 2024, 18:06:20 pm
We are safe by a country mile. The bottom three are pretty much certs to go down and the last spot is between Chelts, Cambridge and Burton. I'd like to Burton gone for a.
Cheltenham and Burton, are both decent days out. Cambridge isnt. I know which I prefer.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: the grumpy old man on March 16, 2024, 18:30:42 pm
Carlisle can't catch us, just need another three. The way we are playing at the moment I won't believe we are safe until it's mathematical.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bingers on March 16, 2024, 19:01:07 pm
Carlisle can't catch us, just need another three.

Hurrah! First milestone passed, we can't finish bottom.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 16, 2024, 20:26:28 pm
Its highly unlikely we will get overhauled by so many teams that we end up 4th bottom, that said when you look at the teams down there and see they have a game or two in hand and if they win those it might make me a little more nervous!!

However, Port Vale are 14 games without a win so I don't believe they will win 6 or 7 of their last nine to overtake us. Fleetwood have one win in nine but need six wins from their last seven to overtake us. Cheltenham after a small uptick are now without a win in six and would need to win six of their last 9 to overtake us. Cambridge have no wins in seven and Burton none in 6.

As it stands the magic points total to be sure of avoiding relegation, taking into account the maximum any team below us can get and the fact some of them have to play each other is currently 57.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lizard68 on March 16, 2024, 20:51:42 pm
Its highly unlikely we will get overhauled by so many teams that we end up 4th bottom, that said when you look at the teams down there and see they have a game or two in hand and if they win those it might make me a little more nervous!!

However, Port Vale are 14 games without a win so I don't believe they will win 6 or 7 of their last nine to overtake us. Fleetwood have one win in nine but need six wins from their last seven to overtake us. Cheltenham after a small uptick are now without a win in six and would need to win six of their last 9 to overtake us. Cambridge have no wins in seven and Burton none in 6.

As it stands the magic points total to be sure of avoiding relegation, taking into account the maximum any team below us can get and the fact some of them have to play each other is currently 57.

All of those teams you mention won't even get to 48 points, maybe even 45 points. Two more points at least would be nice though. We have Carlisle and Port Vale at home and Fleetwood away so we will be THAT mid-table team everybody wants at this stage of the season.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bingers on March 29, 2024, 18:49:57 pm
Hurrah! First milestone passed, we can't finish bottom.

Bit by bit we're getting there - we can't finish in the bottom two now!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on April 01, 2024, 14:45:06 pm
Table as it stands, Carlisle relegated.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bingers on April 01, 2024, 15:57:14 pm
Bit by bit we're getting there - we can't finish in the bottom two now!

Another one falls by the wayside. Burton can't catch us now.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on April 01, 2024, 16:17:47 pm
Thought someone would have used a super computer to tell us we are now mathematically safe when taking the remaining fixtures into consideration.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on April 02, 2024, 08:37:06 am
I think we probably are mathematically safe, unless someone can prove otherwise, 10 teams needing to overhaul us with only 5,6 or 7 games remaining who will be playing one another...good luck working that one out!

No reason we can't aim for 65 points with the remaining fixtures, which would be a solid season. I don't think the 18th that some were quite recently predicting is likely.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: AYelvertoftCobbler on April 02, 2024, 09:27:21 am
Someone had a prediction thread going near the start of the season. Can anyone link it I'd like to see how well its turned out. I know I was wrong on 2 things (probably). I didnt think Sammy Hoskins would be top scorer and I thought we'd finish above Stevenage. 65 points is what we'd need to do that. Plus they lost their remaining games. And noone is getting close to Sam.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TVOR on April 02, 2024, 09:35:28 am
Someone had a prediction thread going near the start of the season. Can anyone link it I'd like to see how well its turned out. I know I was wrong on 2 things (probably). I didnt think Sammy Hoskins would be top scorer and I thought we'd finish above Stevenage. 65 points is what we'd need to do that. Plus they lost their remaining games. And noone is getting close to Sam.
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Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on April 02, 2024, 10:14:01 am
Looks as though we are on course to surpass the position that just about everyone predicted who commented. I probably would have said 13th to 16th and Orient should be our target to overhaul into 10th. It should add a little optimism for a good second season, although the team may be pretty unrecognisable.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Coolcat on April 02, 2024, 11:20:50 am
Must win game on Saturday!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bingers on April 06, 2024, 15:57:17 pm
There we go safe at last. On my birthday as well. What better way to celebrate being 54.

Might as well close the thread now.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bingers on April 06, 2024, 15:59:22 pm
PS The Town are staying up,
The Town are staying up,
And NOW you had better believe us,
THE TOWN ARE STAYING UP!

FACT


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bingers on April 14, 2024, 12:15:07 pm
In where will we finish watch this week, it is narrowing down to between 10th and 15th.

Bearing in mind that we seem to have made 11th place our own over the past few weeks, I hope a few of the chasers slip up with their game in hand, so we can retain it.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on April 15, 2024, 09:05:34 am

In where will we finish watch this week, it is narrowing down to between 10th and 15th.


Anything other than 18th will make a mockery of this league. I keep reading it is going to be even harder next season but can't establish whether this is actually a FACT.
Can't see that the teams coming up/down are suddenly going to transform it into some L1 super league. Don't want MK to come up, although happily see the back of the P*sh and we can call it a draw this season.

I reckon next season could be a slog but a bit of an unknown until we have recruited. There does seem to have been a lot of spat dummies this season when we've had a few poor results but we have demonstrated bouncebackability on several occasions. No reason we can't replicate that.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Peter Frost on April 15, 2024, 09:24:06 am
Just looking at who is coming up and coming down I think next season is probably going to be harder -

It's a bit of a negative approach but the teams I think just might be worse than us are -

Stevenage
Orient
Exeter
Wycombe
Cambridge
Shrewsbury
Burton
Mansfield
plus who ever goes up in L2 Playoffs

So I only need to be 50% right for us to stay up!

Good to see Stevenage very unlikely to make the playoffs because I think they will crash and burn next season (Like Forest Green). Also good to see the best MK Dons can do is very likely to be only a playoff place


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on April 15, 2024, 11:41:10 am
Peter, I would add Bristol Rovers to that list. They are not far below us but have relied heavily on the goals Martin has scored, the goals they scored at Cheltenham on Saturday ended a run of 7 games without scoring.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DavCobb on April 15, 2024, 12:04:50 pm
Just looking at who is coming up and coming down I think next season is probably going to be harder -

It's a bit of a negative approach but the teams I think just might be worse than us are -

Stevenage
Orient
Exeter
Wycombe
Cambridge
Shrewsbury
Burton
Mansfield
plus who ever goes up in L2 Playoffs

So I only need to be 50% right for us to stay up!

Good to see Stevenage very unlikely to make the playoffs because I think they will crash and burn next season (Like Forest Green). Also good to see the best MK Dons can do is very likely to be only a playoff place

Just because we might finish above 4 of these it doesn't mean they are 'worse'  :P

The likes of Wrexham will have to splash some more cash for L1 (their bubble will burst at some point) and the likes of Rotherham coming down should hardly fill us with dread.
On paper it could be another decent season, especially if we can improve on players like Simpson...plus my grandmother would be an improvement on Hylton and she died in 1986. Leonard will be tougher to replace.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TVOR on April 15, 2024, 13:17:43 pm
I think its looking (marginally) easier!
Teams who I think will definetely finish above us...
Sheff Wed, Huddersfield / Birmingham, Derby / Bolton, Barnsley, Wigan, Reading.

That's about it in terms of right off. Not for 1 second thinking we would get 7th but I think we are in with a large group of other teams who will occupy 7th - 15th ish.
Especially with the money we saved in January  ;)


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: everbrite on April 15, 2024, 13:45:28 pm
I think its looking (marginally) easier!
Teams who I think will definetely finish above us...
Sheff Wed, Huddersfield / Birmingham, Derby / Bolton, Barnsley, Wigan, Reading.

That's about it in terms of right off. Not for 1 second thinking we would get 7th but I think we are in with a large group of other teams who will occupy 7th - 15th ish.
Especially with the money we saved in January  ;)


I think you are pretty bold by suggesting that Huddersfield for example will finish above us; the same could be said of the last two teams in your list. My opinion is based on the concept that on our day we can hold our own with some of the better teams in L1. The caveat to this is how we plan for next season!


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TVOR on April 15, 2024, 13:56:32 pm
I think you are pretty bold by suggesting that Huddersfield for example will finish above us; the same could be said of the last two teams in your list. My opinion is based on the concept that on our day we can hold our own with some of the better teams in L1. The caveat to this is how we plan for next season!
Agree we can hold our own but I think Huddersfield have the knowledge, and finances, to do it on a more sustainable basis. Wigan is based on how they have performed with points deductions & embargos and Reading on an assumption the sale goes through with no more points off.
As always 1-2 teams will out perform, 1 or 2 will royally f*** it up and the rest will perform as expected. Exciting though isnt it.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Saint Cobbler on April 16, 2024, 15:56:31 pm
Agree we can hold our own but I think Huddersfield have the knowledge, and finances, to do it on a more sustainable basis. Wigan is based on how they have performed with points deductions & embargos and Reading on an assumption the sale goes through with no more points off.
As always 1-2 teams will out perform, 1 or 2 will royally f*** it up and the rest will perform as expected. Exciting though isnt it.
From what I've seen of Huddersfield on the TV, I think they would crush us.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on April 20, 2024, 17:12:42 pm
It looks highly likely now that we reached the safety point from being relegated when we beat Bristol Rovers on 17th February. With Cheltenham finishing with two very tough looking away games its feasible that 42 pts might even be enough to stay up this season.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bingers on April 21, 2024, 16:10:47 pm
In where will we finish watch this week, it is narrowing down to between 10th and 15th.


With a game to go, we are still able to finish between 10th and 15th. Although I am still holding out for a final game win to pÔss on Barnsley's play off hopes and give us a top half end position. Nothing to play for my ąrse.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on April 23, 2024, 19:01:12 pm
Posh playing their reserves tonight at Cheltenham and are already a goal down.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: west stand oap on April 23, 2024, 19:13:08 pm
Posh reserves now 2 down.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TPFKA Marvo on April 23, 2024, 19:13:19 pm
Posh playing their reserves tonight at Cheltenham and are already a goal down.

Doing a Sc***horpe are they, not very fair on Burton and Cambridge.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 23, 2024, 21:31:54 pm
Cheltenham fight on, three way battle for the last relegation spot on Saturday.

Cheltenham must win at Stevenage to stand a chance of staying up, if they do win then Cambridge still need a point from their trip to Port Vale to guarantee safety, Burton will need a win if Cheltenham win, they are away at Fleetwood.