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Title: Johnson and tactics
Post by: defender on April 25, 2011, 17:36:47 pm
Well after today's game I have lost all hope on johnson, I think he is getting advice on defending from Tohn Gorman, why oh why did he bring on a striker who is on the light side instead of a defender? This was sheer incompetence we, needed a strong defender to help at the back! In an recent post I said 'the jury is still out regarding Johnson well it's not now!! Sorry friends but for what it's worth, this is my view.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Tyler on April 25, 2011, 17:39:07 pm
f***ing hell you just can't win with him can you. At Wycombe he brings a defender on and gets hammered for it, now he brings a striker on and he gets the same treatment ::)


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Welly Cobb on April 25, 2011, 17:40:56 pm
What strong defender was this that was going to be brought on then?


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: dazza on April 25, 2011, 17:42:33 pm
His consistent picking of Walker is enough for me.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: guest47 on April 25, 2011, 17:53:16 pm
He came in with such a blaze of glory I reckon he felt he had to 'do something' to get us out of our mid-table stupor. Unfortunately his unforced changes have produced the opposite effect and the more he tries to fix it the worse it gets.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: PepesProdigy on April 25, 2011, 17:57:22 pm
His consistent picking of Walker is enough for me.

who had another good game  ::)

Johnson out, just for that.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: dazza on April 25, 2011, 17:58:40 pm
who had another good game  ::)

Johnson out, just for that.


Another good game?? Today and Crewe then. Woopy ******* do!!!


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: PepesProdigy on April 25, 2011, 18:03:23 pm
im not gunna get into this again, but he's had 3 solid games on the bounce now, thats more than what can be said about most of the team, stop making him a scapegoat.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: auntie on April 25, 2011, 18:07:40 pm
****ing hell you just can't win with him can you. At Wycombe he brings a defender on and gets hammered for it, now he brings a striker on and he gets the same treatment ::)

It's not lookin good is it Tyles. As for Josh walker...I'm with Pepesy.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: sxcobbler on April 25, 2011, 18:57:45 pm
Start by leaving  Josh Walker out for the final games.

No lightweights ...players who can defend a lead ( if we had any) and willing to put their bodies on the line.....to chase down and block every shot ( preferably not deflecting it in the net).

Blood & Guts to grind out that win....we can't keep relying on others ( well Barnet & Lincoln) to fail.

The games are fast running out.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: guest47 on April 25, 2011, 19:02:33 pm
Start by leaving  Josh Walker out for the final games.

No lightweights ...players who can defend a lead ( if we had any) and willing to put their bodies on the line.....to chase down and block every shot ( preferably not deflecting it in the net).

Blood & Guts to grind out that win....we can't keep relying on others ( well Barnet & Lincoln) to fail.

The games are fast running out.

Agree about the blood and guts - Holt's got to figure in both games.
Not sure about games fast running out - they're not running out fast enough!


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: The Real Stevie G on April 25, 2011, 19:05:09 pm
Just got back - I have to agree with the OP.

6 pts from 33 available - shocking.

God forbid if we go down, Johnson will walk.

If somehow we miraculously stay up, he ought to go.

IMO, listening to his interviews and analysing his tactics/substitutes, it's clear that he is here in a 'consultant-type' role rather than our manager. If there's one reason why we'll go down this year (granted there's a few) it will be how GJ has completely and utterly alienated himself from the squad. He's made it clear he'll build his own team next year - christ we hear about it every interview.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: DL2 on April 25, 2011, 19:33:25 pm
Which can't do a lot for the morale or team spirit of those still needed to keep us up this year does it!


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 25, 2011, 19:35:49 pm
Well some of the halfwits on here would try and have you believe it's anybody but Johnsons fault he keeps telling the players they won't be here next season


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Monty on April 25, 2011, 19:37:03 pm
He's made it clear he'll build his own team next year
There are many who would say that's the only thing he's got right.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Grove on April 25, 2011, 19:37:30 pm
Which can't do a lot for the morale or team spirit of those still needed to keep us up this year does it!

Too right Linda, hes a bit of  twat actually, he couldnt remember the name of one of his player on the bench in interview


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 25, 2011, 19:37:53 pm
Yes we do and we heard it again today. How he is going to sort out the defence first and foremost. Well he's only made it worse so far! Chopping and changing it every week, bombing players in and out.

The thing is, he would be/will be fine with his own players. I have no major doubt about that. His record speaks for itself. BUT he has made an almighty balls up and slowly but surely everybody other than the deluded have come to realise these mistakes in the last few weeks.

I was heading back from Poole (Dorset) today and ironically the 2nd Stockport goal was scored as I was coming up the slip road at Junction 15. I managed to get our equaliser on 104.2 around Milton Keynes. So as soon as I bloody arrive at the place it goes tits up. There was a big group of Bristol Rovers fans at our hotel, down for the Bournemouth game. I didn't speak with them mind, just a few murmurs of 3-1 and you f***ed it up at the dinner table. Mrs told me not to be so cocky, bless her she just doesn't get it. It did mildly amuse me when I got home and checked their score; they were leading for 80 minutes but still managed to lose. Even we would struggle to manage that!  ;D


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: auntie on April 25, 2011, 19:42:18 pm
Start by leaving  Josh Walker out for the final games.

you could say that about anyone...surely!!! He made a few great passes today. Unfortunately, the intended recipients had nodded off and forgot they were in a game of do or die football. "oh yeah, s***. sorry Josh. nodded off there mate."



Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: GillysM8 on April 25, 2011, 19:43:23 pm
I must admit i was well pleased when we got him and have backed when others have been on his case but i reckon his made some odd team selections and substitions have raised eyebrows to say the least... just pray we can stay up and get a good pre season and wipe the slate clean.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: dazza on April 25, 2011, 19:44:43 pm
you could say that about anyone...surely!!! He made a few great passes today. Unfortunately, the intended recipients had nodded off and forgot they were in a game of do or die football. "oh yeah, ****. sorry Josh. nodded off there mate."




Maybe they weren't expecting the ball as he usually passes to the opposition.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: auntie on April 25, 2011, 19:47:11 pm

Maybe they weren't expecting the ball as he usually passes to the opposition.

yeah. that'd be it. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 25, 2011, 19:56:15 pm
I've seen too many s*** games from Walker to start giving him any belated credit now he has finally turned things around. He might have played ok at Stockport today; but in my opinion during this 18 match run (in which he has played a part in every single game) he has been the biggest single contributor to it from a players point of view.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: auntie on April 25, 2011, 20:01:28 pm
I've seen too many **** games from Walker to start giving him any belated credit now he has finally turned things around. He might have played ok at Stockport today; but in my opinion during this 18 match run (in which he has played a part in every single game) he has been the biggest single contributor to it from a players point of view.

utter bollocks. if you wanna go down that road then you might want to take a closer look at davis and osmans contribution. they were here and starred when we last went down.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: HertsCobbler on April 25, 2011, 20:06:17 pm
utter bollocks. if you wanna go down that road then you might want to take a closer look at davis and osmans contribution. they were here and starred when we last went down.

Osman was toss when we went down.  He looked a changed man this season, but has gone backwards the last few months.  Clearly another one with an attitude that has upset Johnson.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 25, 2011, 20:07:34 pm
utter bollocks. if you wanna go down that road then you might want to take a closer look at davis and osmans contribution. they were here and starred when we last went down.

Well for starters Davis and Osman have not played all (or anywhere near) the 18 games. I reckon that Walker is probably one of the only ever presents. Neither can be proud of their contributions, I will give you that. But as far as a single player involved in all of them or almost all of them I am struggling to see anyone who has been worse than Walker. At least Davis earned us a point with his late goal on Friday; whats Walker managed in 18 games...about 1 or 2 assists max!!


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: PepesProdigy on April 25, 2011, 20:08:38 pm
god its refreshing to hear form you auntie.
I personally think walker's a really good player. on the rotherham forums they said he was awesum last year with them, not suprising as the team was flowing with confidence and he could spray them 30 yard balls with confidence, whats he ment to do now when hes lumbered with f***in Tozer next to him.
Walkers played well last 3 games but people have made there mind up now, and when anything goes wrong it's his fault.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: auntie on April 25, 2011, 20:16:14 pm
it doesn't matter anyway. collectively its gone tits up. johnson's signings have been no better or worse. nana has generally been appalling. collis is no better than dunny and now injured. its just a big f*** up. the only player that gives me hope ismichael jacobs. 2 games left...tick tock.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 25, 2011, 20:18:33 pm
whats he ment to do now when hes lumbered with ****in Tozer next to him.
Which he has been for 45 minutes


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 25, 2011, 20:25:01 pm
god its refreshing to hear form you auntie.
I personally think walker's a really good player. on the rotherham forums they said he was awesum last year with them, not suprising as the team was flowing with confidence and he could spray them 30 yard balls with confidence, whats he ment to do now when hes lumbered with ****in Tozer next to him.
Walkers played well last 3 games but people have made there mind up now, and when anything goes wrong it's his fault.

People have made their minds up because by the time he did improve (and lets face it he's not been bloody brilliant, no mention on the POTS for him today btw) it was too late. The damage was done. Now Im not blaming Walker for our current league position and the 18 match winless run, I blame Johnson 100% for it. Walker is a mere pawn. I just joined in with the Walker debate; and he's been the worst player during these last 3 months in my opinion.



Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Macc Cobbler on April 25, 2011, 20:38:01 pm
Just got back - I have to agree with the OP.

6 pts from 33 available - shocking.

God forbid if we go down, Johnson will walk.

If somehow we miraculously stay up, he ought to go.


I totally agree, sometimes it just does not work out for a new manager at a club.
If we go down Johnson should be sacked immediately, as DC will hopefully have put a clause in his contract to that effect, with no or little compensation.
If we stay up, I do still think that he should leave "by mutual consent"  ......... and he could always add it to his list of achievements on his CV that he kept us up.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: jayntfc on April 25, 2011, 20:42:04 pm
Does anyone know the identity of the fella who called into Radio Npton after the game and said he played for us in the 70s? I've forgotten his name.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: HertsCobbler on April 25, 2011, 20:44:00 pm
Not sure he said his name was Rob


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: HertsCobbler on April 25, 2011, 20:47:59 pm
We had a player called Bobby Hunt,Bobby Park,Bobby Owen in the 70s


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 25, 2011, 20:49:54 pm
I totally agree, sometimes it just does not work out for a new manager at a club.
If we go down Johnson should be sacked immediately, as DC will hopefully have put a clause in his contract to that effect, with no or little compensation.
If we stay up, I do still think that he should leave "by mutual consent"  ......... and he could always add it to his list of achievements on his CV that he kept us up.


This I feel is where our fan base could, too a degree, implode. Regardless of whether we go down or not, I want Gary Johnson to stay put in time for next season. Because if he does take us down, I for one would want him to bring us straight back up; and with his own team, I think he would. And I also think he could take us further forward like he did with Yeovil.

Its strange but I feel like Im one of his very biggest critics on here, having identified huge floors in his decision to pro-long pre-season no more than 2 or 3 games into his reign and the likely repercussions. Whilst 95% plus worth knocking one off with his blunt interviews and numerous new signings. HOWEVER, with his own squad Im pretty sure he would be great. But boy will we have to pay a price for that if we do get relegated. Whether people will forgive him or not is the question. We can debate that when the time comes, well if it comes.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: bri77 on April 25, 2011, 20:55:37 pm
That is the ridiculous position we are in now. I have absolute confidence that if we were to stay up then next season would be a good one due to Johnson being the manager he is. However the fact that we are where we are is unacceptable and unbelievable and I can't see him being able to keep us up.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: HertsCobbler on April 25, 2011, 21:04:39 pm
I cannot believe people are calling for Johnson's head.He was pretty much the best realistic candidate available and if we sack him who is going to want come here?

You have to look at his tenure at Bristol City to realise that his management methods sometimes take a while to stick.

This summer whatever division we will be in, will be the chance of the decade to rebuild this side and kick out the "shrinking violets".

I make it we only have Johnson, Holt, Wedderburn, Jacobs, Built, Gilligan and Harrad under contract for next season.  The majority of those out of contract are going to be seeing their P45s come what may. 

This was probably his biggest error in deciding straight away that they were basket cases - not helped by signing on the whole not better than we had in the likes of Reckord, Nana, Collis.  Bauza granted was an inspired signing and may well prove the difference.



Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: TbananaG on April 26, 2011, 07:47:48 am
When Sammo was sacked, it was because it looked probable that we were not going to make the play offs, which was DC's minimum target for this season. Nobody was talking realistically about relegation.

If we go down, then Johnson's decision to treat the rest of this season as an extended pre-season for next year, as he said, will have been one of the worst decisions by a football manager ever, anywhere, at any time and with disastrous consequences for the club.

He has to bear responsibility for unsettling the side and bringing in players immediately (Nana, Reckord, Collis) who were no better than those already here. He also has to bear responsibility for playing players out of position (Tozer in centre midfield, Davis at right midfield, Rodgers at left back...). In the Jan transfer window, for example, we were worried about losing Davis but hoping at least to get a fee - now, he's looking like a lost, scared, misfit and liability.

Oddly, I still think that, if we stay up, Johnson has a better chance of getting us higher in League Two next year than Sammo would have done. More likely, though, is that, just like he did at Peterborough, Johnson slips away in the summer and leaves us in the BSP, hoping that nobody takes too much notice of those few months blip on his otherwise strong CV.

Johnson will be alright, the players will be alright, either picking up their money here or moving on somewhere else they also don't care about...it's only ever really the fans who suffer...and, no, I don't find the idea of away games at Braintree in the least bit funny.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 26, 2011, 08:45:44 am
That is the ridiculous position we are in now. I have absolute confidence that if we were to stay up then next season would be a good one due to Johnson being the manager he is. However the fact that we are where we are is unacceptable and unbelievable and I can't see him being able to keep us up.

Why can you not see him being able to keep us up? We have two games left, and are not as yet in the relegation places. Stay strong, brother. We'll be okay :afro


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: abington_cobbler on April 26, 2011, 08:59:06 am
Why can you not see him being able to keep us up? We have two games left, and are not as yet in the relegation places. Stay strong, brother. We'll be okay :afro

What he said!




Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Insider on April 26, 2011, 08:59:33 am
When Sammo was sacked, it was because it looked probable that we were not going to make the play offs, which was DC's minimum target for this season. Nobody was talking realistically about relegation.

Nobody?  Hmmm.  

And Sammo hadn't "lost the dressing room"?  Didn't Andy Holt have all the players together on the pitch after the end of a game (Southend?)?  I'm not absolving GJ from responsibility for the mess we're in, but it's a collective mess.  I'm personally surprised that other than Walker, there has been one other constant in all this who has escaped mention: Crosby. He has inherited Jim Barron's Teflon pan.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: DustCobb on April 26, 2011, 09:04:01 am
Our defence is wank.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on April 26, 2011, 09:23:33 am
Our defence is wank.

A master of understatement....   ;D


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Gen.Disorda on April 26, 2011, 09:25:54 am
It was relegtion form befor johnson turned up , i dont think we woud be in a much better position without him.

I would like johnson to stay and build his own team , no matter what division we are in. As i know it will be crosby or some one else juast as bad who replaces him. At least with johnson we have a manager that knows how to get out of these divisions

We will stay up , keep the faith ! ,. Im not all that confident my self , i just know if we dont support the team and start whinging ....we will go down !

Every litle helps now , and no matter how much moaning you do . Its too late for anything you say to take effect , so get behind the boys !



Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: The Real Stevie G on April 26, 2011, 09:36:44 am
I cannot believe people are calling for Johnson's head.

No one has been. With 2 games left, there's little point.

Question -

If we had started a new season with GJ in charge, and we mirrored our current record with him at the helm, how long would people give him until there were calls for him to go? Is 6 pts from 33 good enough?

I was over the moon when we appointed him, but I have to say, regardless of what league we find ourselves in next season, the chap shouldn't be here.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: The Real Stevie G on April 26, 2011, 09:38:55 am
It was relegtion form befor johnson turned up , i dont think we woud be in a much better position without him.

Honestly?

You can bet your bottom dollar that when GJ went for the interview with Cardoza, relegation wasn't on the agenda.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: memyhead on April 26, 2011, 09:45:57 am
No one has been. With 2 games left, there's little point.

Question -

If we had started a new season with GJ in charge, and we mirrored our current record with him at the helm, how long would people give him until there were calls for him to go? Is 6 pts from 33 good enough?

I was over the moon when we appointed him, but I have to say, regardless of what league we find ourselves in next season, the chap shouldn't be here.

Irrelevent, as GJ would have bought in all his own new players.....


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on April 26, 2011, 09:49:34 am
At least with johnson we have a manager that knows how to get out of these divisions



Couldn't agree more... He's doing a stunning job of making sure we are out of this division next season...



Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: The Real Stevie G on April 26, 2011, 10:03:22 am
Irrelevent, as GJ would have bought in all his own new players.....

You'd think that, but when you take a look at how many he's already brought in (six - over half a team) I'd consider it to be very relevent.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Gen.Disorda on April 26, 2011, 10:08:30 am
I know it wouldnt of been on the agenda , but I said we were showing relegation form befor he turned up.

I think we would be at the other end of the league if johnson had bee appointed at the start of the season , people need to face the facts that the dressing room and all confidence had been lost befor johnson arrived.

I would hate to think where this side would be without Bauza , lets remember who signed harrard and walker (Who seem to be the chosen scape goats)

The one mistake johnson has made , is not realising how f***ing awful we were befor he shook things up . Our league position flatterd us befor Johnson turned up , alot of people on here saw this comming months ago


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: memyhead on April 26, 2011, 10:32:17 am
You'd think that, but when you take a look at how many he's already brought in (six - over half a team) I'd consider it to be very relevent.

Yes, but GJ has had to bring in players to "fill the gap". He has only been able to sign out of contract or loans so he has been hindered as to what/who is available. The squad he inhereted is the problem.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Insider on April 26, 2011, 10:33:57 am
We were in deep s*** before GJ came in.  I said at the time that between Christmas and the Burton game we only played one team in the top 7 and that was Port Vale, who had gone into reverse with Micky Adams departure, leaving us with a daunting run in that could easily slip into the relegation dogfight.  And so it has proven.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Monty on April 26, 2011, 11:11:57 am
I wouldn't like to see Johnson go because so many on here feel that he is capable of assembling a team that can challenge for L2 promotion next season - and I want to see if this is true. He was my preferred choice when Sammo went but I'm struggling to understand why he's been so inept since he arrived, making some crazy decisions - the majority of which have backfired. Should we go down he has to take the responsibility.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Insider on April 26, 2011, 11:15:49 am
I also consistently stated that Sammo should be given until the end of the season and be judged then. Otherwise we'd get exactly the "what might have been" arguments we have now.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: DustCobb on April 26, 2011, 11:23:14 am
I also consistently stated that Sammo should be given until the end of the season and be judged then. Otherwise we'd get exactly the "what might have been" arguments we have now.

What do you want a f***ing medal or something?

Jesus Wept.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: cox23jam on April 26, 2011, 11:30:45 am
Johnson needs to stay whatever happens, at least we know that he will attract/find the players to get us out of whatever division we're in next season. As for him changing tactics and players for every match, not much has worked so far so at least he seems to be trying to get us a win rather than putting the same eleven out every week adn watching them fail with no other option or ideas.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: oop_north on April 26, 2011, 11:33:44 am
Let's be positive.  Under GJ, we have lost 2 less games than Lincoln, and have gained 1 more point than them.  The fact that every other team has better form than us over the same period is irrelevant.

And to prove we can top the table, look - we've beaten Histon!!!!

http://www.footymad.net/sequences-statistics/

Just so everyone knows, as GJ asked all those that criticise him not to go to Sixfields, I ain't going to spend all that time and effort getting to Sixfields again 'til he's packed his bags and gone to crash another club (pity Peterborough saw sense so quickly).  Happy to support them away.  But, I'm not paying money to keep a hypocrite in a job.  (You know the one - 'lob a few hand grenades into the dressing room', 'build my own team', 'they're not doing what I tell them', 'I had to lose my temper with them', 'the penny's starting to drop with a few of them', etc)


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: defender on April 26, 2011, 11:39:52 am
Johnson want's to win no matter what it costs, even if that's a defeat! BUT we cant afford to lose, total maddnes!!! I do not want him here full stop!


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: The Real Stevie G on April 26, 2011, 11:53:47 am
You know the one - 'lob a few hand grenades into the dressing room', 'build my own team', 'they're not doing what I tell them', 'I had to lose my temper with them', 'the penny's starting to drop with a few of them', etc

Spot on.

Disgraceful man-management skills.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Gen.Disorda on April 26, 2011, 12:00:47 pm
When is the last time we had a manager with a proven record ?

I know he has made mistakes , and if we go down it wil be partly his fault ut he is obviously a talented manager. Even if we were to go down , we would not get a better manager to get us out of the conference. I think Johnson has proved he is better at building a promotion side than he is at saving one that is in complete free fall.

As for johnsons comments about the idiots in the west stand , i think he is right. If you dont open your mouth to support the team , then you shouldnt have a right to open it to abuse it. Go and sit in the away stand . I have a sneaky suspicion that if we go down , all these morons will be watching the saints next season anyway.

If you got rid of all the moaners and just had the supporting fans we would win , as we seem to play better when the fans are behind the team and seem to do better infront of smaller gates. So if your one of the idiots shouting abuse , stay at home . You wont be missed




Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: oop_north on April 26, 2011, 12:11:39 pm

If you got rid of all the moaners and just had the supporting fans we would win , as we seem to play better when the fans are behind the team and seem to do better infront of smaller gates. So if your one of the idiots shouting abuse , stay at home . You wont be missed




Long life democracy!


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Exe on April 26, 2011, 12:12:55 pm
Is that like UHT democracy?


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 26, 2011, 12:15:11 pm
I wouldn't like to see Johnson go because so many on here feel that he is capable of assembling a team that can challenge for L2 promotion next season - and I want to see if this is true. He was my preferred choice when Sammo went but I'm struggling to understand why he's been so inept since he arrived, making some crazy decisions - the majority of which have backfired. Should we go down he has to take the responsibility.

Deepcut Likes This.... ;D


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: oop_north on April 26, 2011, 12:25:53 pm
Is that like UHT democracy?

yup, it's the half-fat variety  :-[.... technology and the aged don't mixed.  Hope I'm still drawing breath when the computer/human interface is no longer the physical keyboard, mouse & screen...... and that there are still sufficient corralled braincells to manage the thought process.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Exe on April 26, 2011, 12:38:43 pm
Hahaha, at least you take my pedantry in good humour.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: oop_north on April 26, 2011, 12:48:46 pm
Hahaha, at least you take my pedantry in good humour.

Indeed.  I always enjoy true wit, even if it is at my bumbling expense.  Such a pity that so many these days regard hateful comment and bullying as 'humour'. 


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: oop_north on April 26, 2011, 13:32:52 pm
So what happened yesterday? We all seemed nice and positive. Right behind the team. And we still gave away the lead twice......

From Colemanballs:

"Eighty per cent of teams who score first in matches go on to win them. But they may draw some – or occasionally lose.”  - David Pleat


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on April 26, 2011, 13:50:19 pm
I agree that Johnson should stay regardless of whether we stay up, because you can see he knows a lot about football and I can see him building a side that play consistently good, attractive football. However, I also hold him totally responsible if we go down. He's had enough time with the squad to have sorted things out at least enough to have us safe by now. Let's face it even a poor 10 points from the last 11 games would have us virtually safe now. A mixture of poor tactics, team selection and very bad luck have contributed to the winless streak. GJ is an attack minded manager and in our predicament we probably needed a more defensive manager, but that's easy to say in hindsight.

The truth is that nobody could have forseen what was going to happen, despite some on here pretending they could. Blaming Sammo or DC for our current predicament is simply crazy. Why didn't DC forsee that GJ, one of the most sought after and successful mangers outside the premiership in recent years, was going to take us on an 11 match winless run? Why didn't DC keep Sammo on because we'd have avoided relegation, when relegation wasn't even an issue at the time? Where does DC keep his crystal ball?

There was a lot of support for both the sacking of Sammo and the appointment of GJ at the time and for good reason. It's all gone pear-shaped and the real issue here is that we really MUST stay up and then start afresh, hopefully with GJ still at the helm.

I have no idea if GJ will walk if we go down, but who's to say we'll be able to afford to keep him in any case. Can't see the BP being a big moneyspinner.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: everbrite on April 26, 2011, 14:04:10 pm
Spot on.

Disgraceful man-management skills.

prick


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: guest48 on April 26, 2011, 14:56:24 pm
When is the last time we had a manager with a proven record ?

I know he has made mistakes , and if we go down it wil be partly his fault ut he is obviously a talented manager.

If you got rid of all the moaners and just had the supporting fans we would win



    I've read some tripe in my time but that last line is up there with any of TED's quotes. ???


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Moulton Cobbler on April 26, 2011, 14:57:13 pm
Didn't GJ leave P'boro after the Chairman started to question his team selection and use of subs, just a thought :o

Out of all the player he has brought into the club the only only one i'd keep is Bauza, and its intersting to see as the weeks pass the players he did get in are sitting on the bench.  Reckord, Uwezu and now Webster, if JJ was fit you could add Nana to that and likewise Dunn for Collis.  

It seems as though the players we had prior to his arrival were perhaps better than the dross he has aquired, i'm not surprised the players are lacking in so many areas and pretty pi$$ed off!!!


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: The Real Stevie G on April 26, 2011, 15:53:20 pm
prick

?

You either have to be genetically modified or fundamentally thick, to not see how GJ's words are harming our squad at the moment. Press conferences, interviews....it's all been mentioned above.

Given your response - my guess would be the latter... ::)


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Mark-JB on April 26, 2011, 16:03:04 pm
?

You either have to be genetically modified or fundamentally thick, to not see how GJ's words are harming our squad at the moment. Press conferences, interviews....it's all been mentioned above.

Given your response - my guess would be the latter... ::)

Depends on whether you're completely wet or not doesn't it?

If someone's criticising me it makes me want to prove the person criticising me wrong. I won't just sit there and go 'he's called me rubbish, so I must be rubbish and I'm going to believe it.'

I have always preferred that kind of management style from my bosses at work to someone who gives me a cuddle and calls me amazing - how do I improve if I'm perfect?


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 26, 2011, 16:18:18 pm
Depends on whether you're completely wet or not doesn't it?

If someone's criticising me it makes me want to prove the person criticising me wrong. I won't just sit there and go 'he's called me rubbish, so I must be rubbish and I'm going to believe it.'

I have always preferred that kind of management style from my bosses at work to someone who gives me a cuddle and calls me amazing - how do I improve if I'm perfect?
yeah but the best managers realise who responds best to which method and utilizes the horses for courses approach


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Cobblerslegend on April 26, 2011, 16:19:31 pm
Didn't GJ leave P'boro after the Chairman started to question his team selection and use of subs, just a thought :o

Out of all the player he has brought into the club the only only one i'd keep is Bauza, and its intersting to see as the weeks pass the players he did get in are sitting on the bench.  Reckord, Uwezu and now Webster, if JJ was fit you could add Nana to that and likewise Dunn for Collis.  

It seems as though the players we had prior to his arrival were perhaps better than the dross he has aquired, i'm not surprised the players are lacking in so many areas and pretty pi$$ed off!!!
I would disagree I think all of his players he has bought in are ok apart from reckord who might be a good player in the future but he's not for us at the mo


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Insider on April 26, 2011, 17:40:31 pm
Out of all the player he has brought into the club the only only one i'd keep is Bauza, and its intersting to see as the weeks pass the players he did get in are sitting on the bench.  Reckord, Uwezu and now Webster, if JJ was fit you could add Nana to that and likewise Dunn for Collis.  

All three were injured and not even on the bench yesterday. 


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Mark-JB on April 26, 2011, 18:29:34 pm
yeah but the best managers realise who responds best to which method and utilizes the horses for courses approach

and the best football managers do not manage in League 2.  ;)

I agree with your point albeit I don't think Johnson has actually said anything that the players shouldn't have already worked out for themselves. I mean surely they can't be that stupid?


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Gen.Disorda on April 26, 2011, 19:04:24 pm
    I've read some tripe in my time but that last line is up there with any of TED's quotes. ???


It's true that we havent had a proven manager in years .FACT
Gary johnson has a proven record .FACT
Gary Johnson has made mistakes . FACT
Gary johnson would have to take part of the blame if we went down .FACT
Abuse does not help our team , all teams considerd to have good fans SUPPORT their team E.g stockport , stoke ect .FACT
We dont play well infornt of massive crowds at sixfields .FACT (Well marvo used to say it so im guessing he has stast on it)
The moaners would not be missed if they stopped comming (My opinion but im guessing most fans who sing/ keep their mouths shut would agree)

Im actually puzzeld as to what the massive problem with my post was , mabey abit cynical but on the most part spot on.

Moronic cobblers fans make me want to stop going more than the **** the team are serving up atm (Edit : not you barton just the moaners at the games)



Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Exe on April 26, 2011, 19:11:11 pm
Moronic cobblers fans make me want to stop going more than the **** the team are serving up atm (Edit : not you barton just the moaners at the games)

With you on this point. The atmosphere at Sixfields these days is at times little short of poisonous, and ill-informed comments littered with expletives from people who clearly have zero understanding of the game do not make for an enjoyable experience.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: guest48 on April 26, 2011, 19:28:16 pm

If you got rid of all the moaners and just had the supporting fans we would win



Iv'e not got a problem with most of your post, its the above line ,and thats certainly NOT a fact.I'm with you in that it would be great if every game was like the Bristol Rovers PO semi BUT its just wishfull thinking that if no one moaned ,we would win .


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: PepesProdigy on April 26, 2011, 19:44:46 pm
prick

O come on now, no need for names.
and stevie g has got a point, im afraid some of you are looking to far into what Johnson COULD give us, as to what he is giving.
at the moment its 11 games and no win, hes squad selection is poor, he's man management skills are awful, if anyone has any links to him actually prasing his players and saying 'yes i want him here next season' (apart from Jacobs) then id love to hear it!


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Gen.Disorda on April 26, 2011, 20:00:31 pm
Webster - wood in his golf bag
Holty - he can play anywhere
johnson - wouldnt like to meet him in a dark alley

I do agree that he has served up a s*** storm though , but a s*** storm that shoud have been served up at the start of this season or the start of next


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 26, 2011, 20:22:28 pm
Clearly a split in the camp starting to appear...

Look. Johnson's fcuked up big time since he stormed in like a bull in a china shop. But I believe now that the players are playing for him. Which post Accrington and Bury was most definitely a concern. So I *think we can safely say that the lads are trying for him. Interestingly, and injuries have played a part...but the central defence on Saturday was the same as when he arrived. So in 11 games its gone full circle!

For me, your central defence is the most important part of the team. Get that right and you can build. The first thing he did was stick a right back there soon followed by a left back and a loanee. And shuffle, shuffle and shuffle more. Whilst fullbacks are obviously defensively important, the central defenders can still bail them out; it doesn't happen the other way round. I could go on but hopefully most will appreciate and agree that you rarely get a successful football team at any level with a large turnover of central defenders. Net result; our defence is now shot to bits and the damage to it was done weeks ago. We simply have to take the attitude now to go out and score more goals than the other team. We have no bus to park. Johnson should have listened to Bungle weeks ago...

But regardless of what division we are in, I will state my case again that Johnson must stay. He's won the BSP; if we go down to that level, get over it. Because we have someone here that if forgiven, would stand a far better chance of taking us straight back up than yet another new comer.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 26, 2011, 20:29:23 pm
Clearly a split in the camp starting to appear...

Look. Johnson's fcuked up big time since he stormed in like a bull in a china shop. But I believe now that the players are playing for him. Which post Accrington and Bury was most definitely a concern. So I *think we can safely say that the lads are trying for him. Interestingly, and injuries have played a part...but the central defence on Saturday was the same as when he arrived. So in 11 games its gone full circle!

For me, your central defence is the most important part of the team. Get that right and you can build. The first thing he did was stick a right back there soon followed by a left back and a loanee. And shuffle, shuffle and shuffle more. Whilst fullbacks are obviously defensively important, the central defenders can still bail them out; it doesn't happen the other way round. I could go on but hopefully most will appreciate and agree that you rarely get a successful football team at any level with a large turnover of central defenders. Net result; our defence is now shot to bits and the damage to it was done weeks ago. We simply have to take the attitude now to go out and score more goals than the other team. We have no bus to park. Johnson should have listened to Bungle weeks ago...

But regardless of what division we are in, I will state my case again that Johnson must stay. He's won the BSP; if we go down to that level, get over it. Because we have someone here that if forgiven, would stand a far better chance of taking us straight back up than yet another new comer.

Spot on!! Still think we'll survive though, but then I am Jolly ;D


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: HappyPosh on April 27, 2011, 08:50:37 am
Johnson doesn't do defence, thats the problem. Thats why he scuppered the mighty POSH this season, and why he's likely to scupper you.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: ArmchairCobbler81 on April 27, 2011, 08:56:43 am
The most bizarre signing is that of Gary Coleman from you lot and GJ attempting to disguise him under the name Nana  ;D



Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: syd puddefoot on April 27, 2011, 09:10:03 am
Johnson doesn't do defence, thats the problem. Thats why he scuppered the mighty POSH this season, and why he's likely to scupper you.

The mightly (are you sure?) POSH have conceded 73 goals this season, that's 3 more than we have! I don't think we need any defensive advice from you!


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: cox23jam on April 27, 2011, 09:26:00 am
A lot of teams that actually get out of division attack there way out - Dag & Red, Rochdale, Bury, Notts County so looks like we're on the right track...


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 27, 2011, 09:28:38 am
& going back carlisle, doncaster (sure they did) and of course yeovil


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: threeinabed on April 27, 2011, 09:39:38 am
the central defenders can still bail them out; it doesn't happen the other way round.

most of your post makes sense

but this is toilet


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: HappyPosh on April 27, 2011, 10:22:32 am
The mightly (are you sure?) POSH have conceded 73 goals this season, that's 3 more than we have! I don't think we need any defensive advice from you!

42 conceded in Tragic Johnsons 21 league matches in charge.
31 conceded in the 23 since he got canned. Given a bit of a transitional period where the defence had to be sorted out (shifting that useless pile of s***e Nana for one), problems obvious.
As for mighty, well these things are all relative, but its a sorry time when the only team there is to contend with us for local bragging rights is the filthy franchise.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on April 27, 2011, 10:54:36 am

As for mighty, well these things are all relative, but its a sorry time when the only team there is to contend with us for local bragging rights is the filthy franchise.

Agree 100%  :o :'(


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: TheBigPicture on April 27, 2011, 13:00:19 pm
GJ likes to play attacking football, something along the lines of if they score 3 we'll score 4. The defensive side of the game doesnt appear to be his strong point, and so it shows, we've leaked goals left right and centre consistently and there is little sign of it slowing up anytime soon.

Problem being Mr. Johnson, we are in a relegation battle, playing these tactics is suicidal!, we are having to score 2 just to get a point at the moment, just scoring 2 goals in a game can be hard enough at times. This is our downfall, not shutting up shop at the back and our only emphasis on defending comes at the wrong time, no good sittting deep with only 5 minutes to go and inviting envitable pressure, which of course means our poor defence buckles under that pressure - it usually only ends one way. The priority should have been the defensive side of our game the minute GJ came in, but with that not being GJ's game, we're now in the deep stuff.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: fwalden on April 27, 2011, 13:24:39 pm
Just wanted to have my say as well in regards to tactics.  Firstly, whoever thinks Walker had a 'good game' on Saturday are completely in the dark.  He was awful.  He couldn't complete a pass, didnt track back, caught in the wrong places, he was completely out of it - dreadful. 

Also, I'm lost to know why we would stick Andy Holt up front when McKenzie was injured.  Would it of not made sense to have stuck him wide left moving Bauza upfront or even at left back hence pushing Rodgers further up field?  Bauza is clearly our most influential player at the moment and he needs to be in the thick of it - i.e in the centre of the pitch behind Harrad, not stuck on the wing!

At least we had centre backs in centre back positions and full backs in full back positions.


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: oop_north on April 27, 2011, 13:40:08 pm
Nana

If only he was another Phil Chard.....


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: ArmchairCobbler81 on April 27, 2011, 19:38:25 pm
Iv'e not got a problem with most of your post, its the above line ,and thats certainly NOT a fact.I'm with you in that it would be great if every game was like the Bristol Rovers PO semi BUT its just wishfull thinking that if no one moaned ,we would win .

Has Marvo hacked into Barton's account?  ;D


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: oop_north on November 14, 2011, 11:33:53 am
Let's be positive.  Under GJ, we have lost 2 less games than Lincoln, and have gained 1 more point than them.  The fact that every other team has better form than us over the same period is irrelevant.

And to prove we can top the table, look - we've beaten Histon!!!!

http://www.footymad.net/sequences-statistics/

Just so everyone knows, as GJ asked all those that criticise him not to go to Sixfields, I ain't going to spend all that time and effort getting to Sixfields again 'til he's packed his bags and gone to crash another club (pity Peterborough saw sense so quickly).  Happy to support them away.  But, I'm not paying money to keep a hypocrite in a job.  (You know the one - 'lob a few hand grenades into the dressing room', 'build my own team', 'they're not doing what I tell them', 'I had to lose my temper with them', 'the penny's starting to drop with a few of them', etc)

Sixfields, here I come....


Title: Re: Johnson and tactics
Post by: EastNpton on December 14, 2011, 09:49:57 am
Just how many players did Johnson get through from the start of pre-season last year? Out of interest