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Title: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sussexcobbler on May 30, 2012, 22:27:57 pm
Sorry about another thread regards redevelopment!

The club currently have a job going for box office and CRM manager, nothing really interesting in that! However in the job description the following job role requirements are listed:-

c) Working with the club Chairman on how ticketing and stadium entry will work post re-development.
d) Look at costs and benefits of implementing an access control system into the stadium. Looking at avenues open to increasing matchday revenue and cost savings by having a full or part system in place.

Am I reading too much into this, or doe this mean the stadium work is not far from kicking off???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on May 30, 2012, 22:35:56 pm
You are looking at the reason to make the succesful applicant redundant if he/she manages to survive over 12 months.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: wazzacobbler on May 30, 2012, 22:51:37 pm
Can anyone inform me of what a CRM manager role would involve. I've never heard the term before


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sussexcobbler on May 30, 2012, 22:55:25 pm
Can anyone inform me of what a CRM manager role would involve. I've never heard the term before

CRM = customer relationship management software.  In the world of sales we use it to track opportunities so you don't lose track of potential business.  It does sales forecasting and reporting and all that kind of stuff.  Pretty boring but crucial to sales teams.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on May 30, 2012, 23:17:49 pm
To be honest the whole redevelopment saga has dragged on so long now that I am bored witless by it.
By the time it does happen I will be too bored to celebrate a bright new era for the club ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 31, 2012, 00:57:03 am
shouldnt this be in the The Official Summer Rumours Thread?!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: SheffieldCobbler on May 31, 2012, 01:27:27 am
In the latest video on Cobblers Player Cardoza says "we're really really close to making an announcement on the redevelopment but you just think you've done it and something else crops up, we're trying to finish off a couple of last minute bits and pieces and when we do then we'll have something to say". Will be interesting to see what this announcement reveals, if anything.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 31, 2012, 06:32:31 am
We are going to build a new ground on the site of the Greyfriers Bus station when it is knocked down.
The ground and especially the club shop will go a long way to ensuring that the regeneration of the town centre is continued by moving everything back inside the town centre bounderies.  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: semilong cobbler on May 31, 2012, 07:26:39 am
chron and echo page 7

Expansion bid for sixfields to be agreed

reading between the lines should be announced in a couple of weeks, as part of the new waterside regeneration zone. also interestingly, redevelopment of land near eagle drive that will be used as training pitches by NTFC, the complex will be named after Richard Butcher


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TheEdgeyMole on May 31, 2012, 07:45:26 am
Excellent news to wake up to.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ClaretAndWhite on May 31, 2012, 08:02:26 am
Yup read that this morning, great news and just what the club needed, but would more new locals come down to the new ground? That ticketing should offer cheap £200 season tickets the first season to draw more people in :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 31, 2012, 09:13:16 am
I won't believe it until the first diggers move on, we've been down this road too many times before


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on May 31, 2012, 10:58:42 am
Excellent news. This should have been agreed years ago. Shame on the local politicians who were arse fu*cked by Legal and General


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Bu-Bu-Buchanan on May 31, 2012, 11:17:57 am
I won't believe it until the first diggers move on, we've been down this road too many times before

Same as.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblers17 on May 31, 2012, 12:13:45 pm
Everybody's jumping on the bandwagon now  ;D

Northampton Labour ‏@Npton_Labour
Hope Cobblers development deal signed soon. @ntfc have had years of frustration from NBC particularly the last few. Well done to D Cardoza.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 31, 2012, 12:14:39 pm
I won't believe it until the first diggers move on, we've been down this road too many times before

This.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: North_East_Cobbler on May 31, 2012, 12:58:59 pm
This.

I saw a convoy of lorries carrying HUGE diggers travelling South down the M1 this morning, just north of Durham. Looks like it's definitely happening  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on May 31, 2012, 13:08:08 pm
This news is confirmed by the Council, so well done so far to David Cardoza. I like the idea of a joint training facility with the Saints at Delapre. Any news on what specific expansion of the stadium is happening alongside the shops, offices and hotel agreed?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: North_East_Cobbler on May 31, 2012, 13:27:30 pm
This news is confirmed by the Council, so well done so far to David Cardoza. I like the idea of a joint training facility with the Saints at Delapre. Any news on what specific expansion of the stadium is happening alongside the shops, offices and hotel agreed?

Yes, well done DC. It's taken far too long, but it looks like it's finally happening. Well done to all concerned. As for the previous council regime. . . . hang your heads in shame!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: MrTickle on May 31, 2012, 14:12:21 pm
I am sure I saw the new stadium plans years back with capacity and what the project will look like when it is finished. Wonder if these plans are still available or applicable?

still on offy site,
http://www.ntfc.co.uk/page/Redevelopment/0,,10425~668356,00.html


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ClaretAndWhite on May 31, 2012, 16:26:50 pm
Well lets get promoted before the revamp, you always tend to have your first year in a new ground a success, so promotion from league one haha


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ClaretCobbler on May 31, 2012, 16:41:58 pm
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/expansion-bid-for-northampton-s-sixfields-stadium-to-be-agreed-1-3904879


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on May 31, 2012, 17:06:16 pm
Great news as far as it is.....
Once the contract is signed.
Once the planning permission is granted.
Once the contractors move in.
Once they complete within budget.....

Then and only then will I be totally delighted for the chairman.
He has the patience of a saint.

(And before one of you clever arses say he's in it to make money... he still has patience!)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 31, 2012, 17:56:21 pm
If you'd stuck £40 into a fruit machine, wouldn't you carry on playing it through drinking up time?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on May 31, 2012, 18:33:45 pm
If you'd stuck £40 into a fruit machine, wouldn't you carry on playing it through drinking up time?

is this the quote of the year?? Where you sober when posted?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 31, 2012, 18:45:30 pm
Think about it dopey. If you'd gambled a load of money, wouldn't you keep playing it until the last possible moment in the hope of even just getting your money back?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Bath Cobbler on May 31, 2012, 19:14:53 pm
Yes. On the other hand if I'd stuck 7 million in a fruity I'd probably realise that I'd not be getting that back even if they had a lock-in.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 31, 2012, 20:34:33 pm
yeah but remember the payout is a bit bigger on the machine big daves playing as well


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: southofthecounty on May 31, 2012, 20:52:16 pm
It's exchanges like those above, that keep me coming back here. ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: fwalden on May 31, 2012, 21:18:44 pm
yeah but remember the payout is a bit bigger on the machine big daves playing as well

Classic line!  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on May 31, 2012, 21:28:09 pm
If you'd stuck £40 into a fruit machine, wouldn't you carry on playing it through drinking up time?
Nope. Wouldnt stick £40 into a slotter at all, especially coming up to last orders. Its a foolish and lonely individual that does.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on May 31, 2012, 22:03:11 pm
If you'd stuck £40 into a fruit machine, wouldn't you carry on playing it through drinking up time?
....
Indeed I would, but it would still make me question myself still putting more and more in not knowing if it was actually programmed for a jackpot


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on May 31, 2012, 22:16:26 pm
I would hold my plums.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on May 31, 2012, 22:31:43 pm
I would hold my plums.
  ;D
Or lose your cherries.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Montgomery Eypoke III on May 31, 2012, 22:46:41 pm
I'm absolutely delighted by this news.

Does anybody know at roughly what point in the process we can expect some c**t from the Liberal Demotw*ts to "call it in" and leave my dreams a smashed and broken carcaus lying lifeless in the dust?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: paul_ntfc on May 31, 2012, 22:56:46 pm
Does anybody know at roughly what point in the process we can expect some c**t from the Liberal Demotw*ts to "call it in" and leave my dreams a smashed and broken carcaus lying lifeless in the dust?

This made me lol  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 31, 2012, 22:57:47 pm
Nope. Wouldnt stick £40 into a slotter at all, especially coming up to last orders. Its a foolish and lonely individual that does.
Nah, you start on it at about 3 in the afternoon and the more drunk you get, the more you think the win is the next spin

For neverbright this means he started putting money into NTFC in 2002 and with each decent season/big win/great game/promising bit of news the more he thought the golden news was just about to come in


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on May 31, 2012, 23:05:08 pm
Nah, you start on it at about 3 in the afternoon and the more drunk you get, the more you think the win is the next spin


Theres always help available.
http://www.steps2rehab.com/addictions/gambling/


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 31, 2012, 23:47:21 pm
I don't play them myself but I'll forward that to big Dave. I just need to get the Flux capacitor invented so I can whizz back to 2002


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Bu-Bu-Buchanan on June 01, 2012, 06:26:05 am
Lets hope it's all signed and sealed up quickly as I think this could help us in more ways than one.

The plans would have been rolled out to help entice ADB, we're an ambitious club etc etc. I think we're all generally agreed Aidy was an excellent appointment and gives us at least a chance of some success, that we'll have to see, but if the development finally starts and Aidy does turn it around on the pitch at the same time it may encourage him to stay longer.

Taking a team from the edge of oblivion to the Championship would do his CV the world of good! You gotta have a dream!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: southofthecounty on June 01, 2012, 07:22:06 am

Taking a team from the edge of oblivion to the Championship would do his CV the world of good! You gotta have a dream!
[/quote]
That's just happy talk.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Bu-Bu-Buchanan on June 01, 2012, 08:06:48 am
Of course, but why not, happiness is allowed!

Obviously had no idea what was said between DC & ADB at his appointment but I'm sure it wasn't "Ok Chairman you develop the ground and give me some money to build a team, I'll give you mid table"  There has to be some ambition now. Why else would ADB take the job? He want's to do the best he can so lets see, and for now afford yourself a small smile.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on June 08, 2012, 10:19:58 am
The latest comments from DC on the C & E website seem to say 'WHEN' not 'IF' the development of Sixfields goes ahead! This is backed up by the comments of David McCintosh the leader of the Council. Maybe, just maybe, off the field AND on the field will come together for a brighter future for the loyal supporters of NTFC.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on June 08, 2012, 11:36:17 am
The latest comments from DC on the C & E website seem to say 'WHEN' not 'IF' the development of Sixfields goes ahead! This is backed up by the comments of David McCintosh the leader of the Council. Maybe, just maybe, off the field AND on the field will come together for a brighter future for the loyal supporters of NTFC.

Shhhhhhhhhhh! (The LibDims can still feck it all up!)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on June 08, 2012, 12:12:28 pm
The LibDems deserve nothing but our complete contempt.  I am not political but full credit to the Tories if the revelopment happens after all this time. It is essential to the future our football club.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 08, 2012, 18:15:55 pm
And still some of the whinging numpties on the Chron website are bleating on about how we're fleecing the taxpayer and why do we need a bigger stadium when we don't sell out the one we've got. It seems the fact DC has actually removed a financial burden from the taxpayer and the concept of corporate facilities are too much for the feeble minded f***wits of our parish to comprehend.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on June 08, 2012, 19:40:05 pm
I also noted the Chron refers to the pending works as the following, Redevelopment, Development or refurbishment.  The scope of work  between all three is very different, but I'll take any of them right now.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on June 12, 2012, 20:41:27 pm
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/breaking-news-council-demands-urgent-talks-over-claims-plans-for-new-grosvenor-centre-are-not-viable-1-3941410

Is this L&G saying that they oppose the Sixfields and Saints progress?
"In particular, in light of the recent spate of retailer administrations, as well as the threat of recently proposed out-of-town schemes, Legal & General recognises that the extension to the Grosvenor Centre needs to be reassessed to ensure that it provides an attractive retailing offer for Northampton as well as a scheme which is economically viable."

When did we vote these c***s in to power?
Our town is being run by a fecking private company.......

Feckin fumin...... if they (L&G) are threatening the council to not develop the GROSSvenor based on Saints and Cobblers having a couple of shops, they need to be taken to task at the highest level.
They don't kick off about a feckin Tesco being on every BAsTarddd corner of the town....so why are they kicking off again?

Fick you L&G I hope your next crepe is a feckin hedgehog.... >:(


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on June 13, 2012, 06:52:43 am
It'll be the rushden one. The one they complained about a month ago.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on June 13, 2012, 12:37:01 pm
L+G have been taking the **** for too long. If they put their oar in about Sixfields or Franklins Gardens then a protest against the Grosvenor Centre and boycott should be planned....


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on June 13, 2012, 14:16:27 pm
Yeah good luck on that. Like l and g would care that super drug had 15 less customers One month. Nobody would even notice


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barnabas on June 13, 2012, 17:55:35 pm
It'll be the rushden one. The one they complained about a month ago.

Indeed. Of course if they'd got on with it and extended the Grosvenor years ago then it wouldn't now be an issue.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on June 14, 2012, 11:33:40 am
It's clear the Council have lost patience with L+G and the local MP's are calling on them to sell up. Can't see L+G's voice being listened to any more. Still, an absolute disgrace for them to have put their oar in for nearly 10 years about any other devlopment and then pull out of their "plans" for the Grosvenor.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on June 14, 2012, 16:41:23 pm
Did anyone from nbc complain about Mk centre being built?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on June 14, 2012, 16:53:05 pm
I don't believe anybody from nbc is complaining now


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on June 14, 2012, 19:46:24 pm
L & G were never going to develop the Grosvenor , if they didn't do it when it was first mooted ,when everything was booming ,they sure as hell aren't going to do it now. Its now that they have run out of excuses that they have been sussed.

  PS They missed a trick when Barton Co-op put up a trolley shelter , they could have protested about that  :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on June 14, 2012, 20:38:26 pm
Crack on with the enterprise zone, Eagle Drive and things that can be achieved in my lifetime.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on June 21, 2012, 06:01:12 am
On 31st May the club announced an agreement should be signed in 2 weeks between NBC, The Homes Agency and NTFC. I know delays are the norm in these situations but as we are so close the wait for an announcement is tantilising. The future of the club is totally dependant on this development. Any whispers or do we have to ask L & G on this as well?????


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on June 21, 2012, 07:08:47 am
The pens are in the same boxes as the shirts.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TheEdgeyMole on June 21, 2012, 18:35:48 pm
I asked Wayne Bontoft who wrote the story in the Chron a couple of weeks ago and he said it shouldn't be long, still with the solicitors. Confirmed the Grosvenor Centre debacle would have no effect.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on June 21, 2012, 19:15:55 pm
I asked Wayne Bontoft who wrote the story in the Chron a couple of weeks ago and he said it shouldn't be long, still with the solicitors. Confirmed the Grosvenor Centre debacle would have no effect.

Maybe not, but it's sodding typical that it'd go through now, with land prices nowhere near the value they once held. Will it be a scaled down extension/rebuild? Maybe we'll end up with enough dosh to get the decorators in >:(


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barnabas on June 22, 2012, 22:26:26 pm
Crack on with Eagle Drive and things that can be achieved in my lifetime.

I reckon Eagle Drive will be Wootton mark 2. Might free up some space down the road though. ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on June 23, 2012, 12:31:57 pm
L & G were never going to develop the Grosvenor , if they didn't do it when it was first mooted ,when everything was booming ,they sure as hell aren't going to do it now. Its now that they have run out of excuses that they have been sussed.

  PS They missed a trick when Barton Co-op put up a trolley shelter , they could have protested about that  :)

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on June 23, 2012, 19:30:13 pm
Maybe any development   at Sixfields should object to any L&G plans


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on June 23, 2012, 19:41:29 pm
Maybe not, but it's sodding typical that it'd go through now, with land prices nowhere near the value they once held. Will it be a scaled down extension/rebuild? Maybe we'll end up with enough dosh to get the decorators in >:(
  I was told they intend to extend out over the service road to allow an extra 100 dining spaces/small conference area and a small bar/ function room . The roof will be removed and several small corporate boxes fitted before roof returned. The rest of the ground will remain as is. Better than the nothing we're accustomed to I suppose.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on June 23, 2012, 20:15:07 pm
wooooo!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Cordwainer2 on June 23, 2012, 20:35:13 pm
  I was told they intend to extend out over the service road to allow an extra 100 dining spaces/small conference area and a small bar/ function room . The roof will be removed and several small corporate boxes fitted before roof returned. The rest of the ground will remain as is. Better than the nothing we're accustomed to I suppose.

That scheme was shown at a Trust meeting years ago.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on June 23, 2012, 23:08:41 pm
That scheme was shown at a Trust meeting years ago.
Just proves what a great bunch of guys they really are, truly cutting edge.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: marcmewordz on June 24, 2012, 07:48:27 am
It won't happen,
get over it


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on June 24, 2012, 18:55:03 pm
That scheme was shown at a Trust meeting years ago.

And I bet they all sat there nodding like Churchill dogs at the altar of the almighty Cardoza.

Seriously, if we've waited nearly 8 years for a bigger dining room and a couple of corporate boxes, that will be extremely sad.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on June 24, 2012, 19:07:40 pm
And I bet they all sat there nodding like Churchill dogs at the altar of the almighty Cardoza.

Seriously, if we've waited nearly 8 years for a bigger dining room and a couple of corporate boxes, that will be extremely sad.

Wouldn't it just :-\


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TheEdgeyMole on June 25, 2012, 08:42:28 am
I've always enjoyed watching us play at Gresty Road.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Cockney Cobbler on June 25, 2012, 09:06:55 am
And I bet they all sat there nodding like Churchill dogs at the altar of the almighty Cardoza.

Seriously, if we've waited nearly 8 years for a bigger dining room and a couple of corporate boxes, that will be extremely sad.

I might be a bit simple but:
1. We do not fill the ground currently so capacity isn't really the immediate issue
2. Redevelopment has always been, in the first instance, about "enabling monies"
3. One way to get "enabling monies" is to increase your corporate facilities so that the ground is usable on a more than match-days basis
4. Our current corporate facilities leave very much to be desired (i.e. we effectively do not have any)

So I don't know why anyone is surprised.  Corporate facilities mean the club gets income on non-match days and potentially can reinvest that money further down the line.  That said I don't expect we'll see much in the way of immediate re-investment.  Until such time as we're regularly at the top of L1 or in the Championship there really isn't a need to expand the ground capacity. 

That said, some reinvestment in to the currently existing facilities wouldn't go a miss to make the match-day experience a bit more enjoyable


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on June 25, 2012, 18:49:36 pm
And I bet they all sat there nodding like Churchill dogs at the altar of the almighty Cardoza.

Seriously, if we've waited nearly 8 years for a bigger dining room and a couple of corporate boxes, that will be extremely sad.
Suprised you comment on an item when you were not there and had no idea what was said!
Any expansion is to the benefit of the club. The extra new revenue from Executive boxes and corporate events during the week is the obvious way forward. If it also means 1500 extra seats in the West Stand excellent, so well done DC. The expansion of the South Stand is not required until we are in League One or the Championship. The North and East Stand are the least of the priorities.
I just hope the news is close and the start date no far behind.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on June 25, 2012, 20:30:09 pm
Suprised you comment on an item when you were not there and had no idea what was said!
Any expansion is to the benefit of the club. The extra new revenue from Executive boxes and corporate events during the week is the obvious way forward. If it also means 1500 extra seats in the West Stand excellent, so well done DC. The expansion of the South Stand is not required until we are in League One or the Championship. The North and East Stand are the least of the priorities.
I just hope the news is close and the start date no far behind.



To be fair though, if in ten years from now we are playing in a 10.500 capacity ground of which 6,800 of that capacity is held in the West stand, then the stadium will look fooking silly :o How is the later expansion of the South/East/North to be funded?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on June 25, 2012, 20:58:09 pm
Expand the east stand, it was designed to allow bolt on extra seating and include the executive boxes/restaurant  whilst leaving the west as is and you get a decent looking stadium, fit for the championship for a fraction of the cost currently proposed, and avoids ending up with an odd looking single giant stand stadium.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on June 25, 2012, 22:30:00 pm
Expand the east stand, it was designed to allow bolt on extra seating and include the executive boxes/restaurant  whilst leaving the west as is and you get a decent looking stadium, fit for the championship for a fraction of the cost currently proposed, and avoids ending up with an odd looking single giant stand stadium.

Absolutely agree with this.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: shakemaster on June 26, 2012, 08:40:49 am
I agree expand the east stand for exec boxes, etc and if needed move the changing rooms and tunnel there aswell.
I would'nt want the ground to look like crewes but if we played like them ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on June 26, 2012, 09:04:42 am
Can people not remember back to 2006 when we were towards the top 7 of the L2 table all season? I remember there being barely room to swing an earwig inside the stadium on many occasions that year, and the same will happen this season if we have a good one.

Saying we don't need more capacity until championship/top end of L1 football becomes a reality is extremely short sighted. We need to have the capacity there so that we can accommodate the additional customers, bring in the extra revenue and establish ourselves at that level if this happens.

Swansea were set up with the liberty stadium when they were still very much a league 1 club.

I will be very disappointed if the initial development doesn't incorporate a capacity uplift to around 10-12k, along with a row of corporate boxes along the length of the west stand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Cockney Cobbler on June 26, 2012, 09:12:05 am
We can't expand the East Stand without also having to pay to relocate the athletics track, part of the agreement of the 150 year leasehold was the athletics track was maintained by the club.  Expansion of the East Stand would require building straight on the athletics track so its an immediate no-go unless we can rehome it, which would be more cost.

Expanding the West Stand, regardless of aesthetics, is easier because we're just building out on to our own car park.

Although personally I'd actually build out the South Stand, and think about swapping away fans in to the East Stand as that would then allow us to charge a different amount for travelling fans than have the current situation where we have to peg it to the North Stand because of the same facilities.

And the point about 2006 is so historic it's irrelevant, you're talking about 6 years ago, pre-credit crunch recession.  Everyone had more money, football was cheaper and we were a better side.  We've been nowhere near the capacity in the last couple of years so in the immediate term we do not need to hike the ground size.  What we need is corporate facilities.  If you want a 12K+ capacity stadium we would be better off moving out of Sixfields altogether.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on June 26, 2012, 09:15:24 am
Please can you tell me how much our ticket prices have increased since 2006?

Recession or no recession, the ground will be full if we are in or around the top 7 for a sustained period.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: MKMal on June 26, 2012, 09:15:36 am
Don't you understand that the club is not cash rich and needs to have regular income. It may have to be done in phases as it can afford it. Get the conferencing and hospitality right and more regular income comes into the club. It wont just tick over like now and be break even every year but will start to become an earner. Getting another thousand spectators in every other week, although it helps, does not bring in enough to afford better players etc.

Consequences More income = More to be spent on team and ground expansion/facilities etc.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Cockney Cobbler on June 26, 2012, 09:22:20 am
Please can you tell me how much our ticket prices have increased since 2006?

Recession or no recession, the ground will be full if we are in or around the top 7 for a sustained period.
In the North Stand matchday ticket prices have gone up £4 in 6 years.  That is the worst example granted, but it's an above inflation increase no matter how you look at it.  East Stand up by £2, West Stand only by £1.  Concessions have gone up £2.50 across the board and the student discount removed.

The only people to have seen a decrease are those who've managed to stay between the ages of 16 and 18 for all 6 years, which is impossible


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Cockney Cobbler on June 26, 2012, 09:24:16 am
And I should add that is just matchday ticket price, it doesn't include any food, drink, programmes, travel, etc which also goes in to the overall cost of the matchday experience and ultimately would be what would make some people now think twice about whether going to the football is a must-have or nice-to-have when times are hard.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Exe on June 26, 2012, 10:06:35 am
I don't know how feasible it is to have boxes, restaurants etc in the East Stand because all the catering facilities are in the West Stand and I know there are complications with the gas emissions from the rubbish underground which mean we're restricted in terms of what facilities we have and where they're placed.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on June 26, 2012, 10:36:58 am
In the North Stand matchday ticket prices have gone up £4 in 6 years.  That is the worst example granted, but it's an above inflation increase no matter how you look at it.  East Stand up by £2, West Stand only by £1.  Concessions have gone up £2.50 across the board and the student discount removed.

The only people to have seen a decrease are those who've managed to stay between the ages of 16 and 18 for all 6 years, which is impossible

My entry has gone down by nearly 20%..... £249 to £199 ST.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Cockney Cobbler on June 26, 2012, 11:28:58 am
Did I say season tickets?  No I said matchday prices.  STH are irrelevant in this discussion as we don't have enough of them to require upping capacity, there is plenty of overhead in the stadium capacity after STH numbers are deducted, the only reason capacity would need to increase is if the number of casual fans (i.e. those that buy tickets on the matchday rather than hold season tickets) increases to take us over the 7,500 barrier which only happens when we're successful or about to get relegated.

It's those casual fans who will be weighing up the cost of the whole day at the moment and thinking it isn't worth it, so we don't really need another 1,500 seats to be empty on a weekend.  What we need, as MKMal said, is a regular income outside of match day.

Is it really that hard for those wanting a huge stadium to understand that a) we can't afford it and b) we don't really need it


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on June 26, 2012, 13:08:27 pm
Don't you understand that the club is not cash rich and needs to have regular income. It may have to be done in phases as it can afford it. Get the conferencing and hospitality right and more regular income comes into the club. It wont just tick over like now and be break even every year but will start to become an earner. Getting another thousand spectators in every other week, although it helps, does not bring in enough to afford better players etc.

Consequences More income = More to be spent on team and ground expansion/facilities etc.

Everyone talks as if we have no facilities at Sixfields now......forgive me if im wrong but we do have two or three "suites", restaurants, bars etc which seemingly can not be marketed to maximise revenue as it is. I like the way people seem to think it will all be magic, all the boxes will be filled and sold out, all the new conferencing facilities will be sold out and running 24/7 and then, and only then will we see more money coming in to improve the playing side and the facilities for the "ordinary" supporter.
I daresay people will say look at the Saints......but for me its not like comparing like with like. Yes they do have facilites but they cater to a different kind of client, and we're not going to ever attract sponsorship from the likes of Carlsberg, Travis Perkins, Monarch Airlines etc whilst playing 4th tier football.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on June 26, 2012, 13:08:38 pm
Sometimes it is difficult to get your point across when speaking to the terminally thick. Suites, not seats us whats needed.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: random on June 26, 2012, 15:46:11 pm
I think we need both, better corporate & Player facilities plus more general seats

Of course it all depends upon our ambition and attention to detail. personally I would prefer to see more money spent on the infrastructure / staff etc, even if it meant a player or two less.

we need to LOOK like we are trying to go places. These last two seasons I have been proved mostly right in what I said before, especially as DC has stated that he made mistakes, re cutting costs etc.

The corporate stuff will help, although I for one am not convinced it will actually be our saviour as some suggest, look at Oxford, they have a fantastic matchday hospitality set-up yet still in Div 2.

The more seats also depends where we REALLY want to be. There is no doubt that if we are in the top 2 of Div 2 or top 7 of Div 1, we need more seats. The main reason why we rarely sell out during these times is that many of the floating fans want to sit with or near their 'regular' friends but can't so don't bother or they are right on the front row or on the edge of the stand.

I do fear that it will be a typical 'Northampton' effort, mediocre in design, effect and appeal. i really hope I am wrong and that we have something to be proud of and help push us up the leagues into the Championship where we belong  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on June 26, 2012, 16:07:11 pm
Some of the neandertal 'do nothing' posters show an incredible ignorance of business. If you run a manufacturing business you plan investment in new facilities (ie equipment) to offer new opportunities to expand the business to new clientel. If you sit on your hands the equipment becomes old and inefficient and eventually worthless.
More power to DC and his plans to add executive boxes, more catering facilities and conference options to utilise our central location. Some of the biggest sport sponsors have their Head Offices in the County and will slowly get involved year on year if we are successful in achieving Championship football. If you do not try you never achieve!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DL2 on June 26, 2012, 16:59:01 pm
Sometimes it is difficult to get your point across when speaking to the terminally thick. Suites, not seats us whats needed.

 ;D

I would prefer to see the East stand redeveloped but if it its more financially viable to upgrade the West then I won't complain.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on June 26, 2012, 18:55:37 pm
Did I say season tickets?  No I said matchday prices. 

I just quoted my deal..... I pay up front for all my matchdays and it's great value.... maybe if we had 4500 ST holders as when the glory boys were out in 97/98 we'd have a different discussion.
Loyal... ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on June 26, 2012, 19:11:09 pm
Would any sporting development at Eagle Drive incorporate a running track and Athletics facilities? This would free up current Sixfields East stand site. Throw in a joint venture with UCN relocation at Nunn Mills Avon site and all sweet for our sporting collegiate future!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Bu-Bu-Buchanan on June 26, 2012, 19:32:10 pm

I agree entirely..

When I hear people talking about bolting on stands and moving entire catering facilities I honestly wonder what planet they live on. At the very least this would require knocking down the East stand. Unless you intend balancing 15-20 executive boxes, extensive kitchen space and 2-3 corporately kitted dining halls on top of the existing stand.


As ever this splits us supporters right down the middle. Your half right, Sixfields was intentially designed to be able to extend the north, east and south stands simply. These stands are actually the bottom tier of any expansion and footings are in place for expansion. If any of these stands are to increase in size the existing roof is indeed simply a bolted on cantilever. This would even allow for the stand to be used during expansion.

I wholeheartedly agree that Sixfields was built without the necessary facilities for corporate entertainment and theseimprovements are planned to be in the West stand and will be, but with 25 restaurants closing a week in the UK anyone who thinks we will build a team from the proceeds of catering are sorely wrong.

It has to be a balance whereas corporate facilities are hugely expensive to run and indeed cause a loss a few extra seats as well should be the way forward, it's catch 22 but with success on the pitch more supporters come and with more supporters comes the corporate interest.

Next time your at a lower league ground with rows of boxes look at how many are actually used.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on June 27, 2012, 00:08:48 am
 Several million pounds of enabling needs to be raised before a single penny will be spent on the stadium, this ain't happening in our life time. We're being led by the nose. I'm resigned to following my team in
 an out dated sub standard 4th division stadium, which is where we'll always be. The trust guys were right all along.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on June 27, 2012, 07:18:29 am
The re-development is not just about corporate boxes being available on match days but creating a venue for hosting events 7 days per week.  I wrote sometime ago on this site that I had attended an event at a Premier League rugby club where the place was heaving on a midweek day with various workshops and professional seminars taking place.  I recall the bars were busy and there was a lot of catering.  At the time it was a stark reminder of what might be at Sixfields.  I only hope that finally after so many false dawns progress is made but that it is not a half baked solution which will haunt the club in the years to come and not deliver the income stream so badly needed if we are ever to fulfil our aspirations of playing at a higher level.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on June 28, 2012, 20:47:52 pm
If you need any evidence how too much corporate hospitality and lack of provision for mere spectators can destroy the soul of sports arena go and visit the County Ground.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on June 28, 2012, 21:32:26 pm
If you need any evidence how too much corporate hospitality and lack of provision for mere spectators can destroy the soul of sports arena go and visit the County Ground.
Excluding those who had a free T20 ticket, does the County Ground get many fare paying passengers these days? Not much of a local cricket fan myself, so i have never sampled the delights.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on June 29, 2012, 11:44:57 am
If you need any evidence how too much corporate hospitality and lack of provision for mere spectators can destroy the soul of sports arena go and visit the County Ground.

It's got a bar, its got bogs. What else do you need at a cricket ground. What more do you need at a cricket match?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on June 29, 2012, 18:25:16 pm
It's also got food outlets. But the problem is the cost of it all and access restrictions once they have taken you money, not to mention £21 entrance fee to watch sub-standard performances on the field. Attendance for the T20 competition must be down to around a third of the figure from 2 years ago.




Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on June 29, 2012, 19:00:44 pm
It's also got food outlets. But the problem is the cost of it all and access restrictions once they have taken you money, not to mention £21 entrance fee to watch sub-standard performances on the field. Attendance for the T20 competition must be down to around a third of the figure from 2 years ago.


Haven't been up the County for a while. I think the last time was in the B&H on a Sunday afternoon for about £2.50. Gone up a bit by the sound of it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on July 02, 2012, 11:38:58 am
Stumbled across this.......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/northampton_town/4420981.stm

Hard to believe that nothing has changed in over 7 years!! We're still being told that something is about to happen..........and then nothing!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on July 02, 2012, 12:42:48 pm
AND THEN THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATES STUCK THEIR GRUBBY NOSES IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PS DC to make an announcement re the expansion next week?????????????????



please.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on July 03, 2012, 16:28:33 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-18686944

If there is any bottle at all at the Guildhall surely now is the time to open to build a Weston Favell size centre at Sixfields?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on July 05, 2012, 22:02:16 pm
I'm surprised nobody else has picked up the piece in this weeks amazing local newspaper.

Sixfields deal to be signed off by NBC next week.....

Boys....girls, could it be we are finally going to get Teds good news?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on July 05, 2012, 22:20:43 pm
At one of the first public meeetings about the redevlopment Tony Clarke said that L+G were very unlikely to redevelop the Grosvenor. That they looked at it at a bagged account and nothing more. That the Cobblers plans were ready to go and that the council should go with the party with the diggers ready.

All those years wasted and TC was totally right. And guess what, the Lib Dems are still saying the council should give L+G the benefit of the doubt!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on July 05, 2012, 22:37:22 pm
it does all have the whiff of brown envelopes. I remember the council once saying why should the favour a private buisnessman (by allowing Sixfields plans) yet by being "neutral" they're favouring L&G. Should have taken a wedge of 50s out 8 years ago davey boy


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on July 06, 2012, 10:32:08 am
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/sixfields-redevelopment-deal-to-be-pushed-ahead-1-4025007


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on July 10, 2012, 04:31:33 am
As one of the great unwashed who can not justify the extra cost of 'Cobblers World' at present, can somebody summarise DC's press release concerning the redevelopment yesterday.
I have no problem with the initial release being on Cobblers World BUT surely the vast majority of supporters deserve to be informed of major information eventually, say 24 hours later, or do they not matter?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: MKMal on July 10, 2012, 06:20:53 am
As one of the great unwashed who can not justify the extra cost of 'Cobblers World' at present, can somebody summarise DC's press release concerning the redevelopment yesterday.
I have no problem with the initial release being on Cobblers World BUT surely the vast majority of supporters deserve to be informed of major information eventually, say 24 hours later, or do they not matter?

If its of any significance it usually ends up on the Chronic website within 24 hours


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: abington_cobbler on July 10, 2012, 07:20:33 am
As one of the great unwashed who can not justify the extra cost of 'Cobblers World' at present, can somebody summarise DC's press release concerning the redevelopment yesterday.
I have no problem with the initial release being on Cobblers World BUT surely the vast majority of supporters deserve to be informed of major information eventually, say 24 hours later, or do they not matter?

I subscribe to the official football league app and watched the interview on there... There was no mention of the redevelopement whatsoever. DC confirmed that that the priority is a centre half. A short term keeper to cover Higgs injury. We have a few trialists training with the squad in Croatia so Aidy may offer them something if they impress. He also went on to say that he wasnt happy or unhappy with the Jacobs deal but said it was a fair price... No other offers were received for Jacobs but he was always going to sign for Derby as he wants first team football, if Newcastle made an offer (they were linked) Jacobs would have turned it down for first time football at Derby


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on July 10, 2012, 11:14:48 am
As one of the great unwashed who can not justify the extra cost of 'Cobblers World' at present, can somebody summarise DC's press release concerning the redevelopment yesterday.
I have no problem with the initial release being on Cobblers World BUT surely the vast majority of supporters deserve to be informed of major information eventually, say 24 hours later, or do they not matter?
Should be some news thursday by the look of it.
Ashley Lambell ‏@ashlambell
Northampton Borough Council meet at 6pm on Wednesday where they will decide whether or not to approve Sixfields redevelopment.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on July 10, 2012, 11:29:37 am
Thank you......over to DC (and the Council) to deliver.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on July 10, 2012, 12:11:49 pm
Items number 7 and 8 on tomorrow nights agenda ;)
http://www.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/councillors/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=528&MID=6859


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on July 10, 2012, 13:18:49 pm
My mum had something through from the saints about a public consultation, also detailed when they will apply for planning permission and when they'll start building. Already so far ahead of ntfc


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: SheffieldCobbler on July 10, 2012, 15:00:07 pm
I subscribe to the official football league app and watched the interview on there... There was no mention of the redevelopement whatsoever. DC confirmed that that the priority is a centre half. A short term keeper to cover Higgs injury. We have a few trialists training with the squad in Croatia so Aidy may offer them something if they impress. He also went on to say that he wasnt happy or unhappy with the Jacobs deal but said it was a fair price... No other offers were received for Jacobs but he was always going to sign for Derby as he wants first team football, if Newcastle made an offer (they were linked) Jacobs would have turned it down for first time football at Derby

That's a different interview which went on the website today. In the one about the re-development DC says the land deal will be signed off on Wednesday which puts the structure for re-development in place and is the big step, once that is done we can start looking at how much money will be made and how much we can spend basically.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on July 10, 2012, 16:12:13 pm
Its a travesty that they're having to do an enabling deal during a biting recession rather than at the top of the market as the dongs got away with


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on July 10, 2012, 21:20:24 pm
That's a different interview which went on the website today. In the one about the re-development DC says the land deal will be signed off on Wednesday which puts the structure for re-development in place and is the big step, once that is done we can start looking at how much money will be made and how much we can spend basically.

Depending of course on no unexpected hiccups at the council meeting. Fingers crossed, everybody :-X


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on July 10, 2012, 21:23:31 pm
Its a travesty that they're having to do an enabling deal during a biting recession rather than at the top of the market as the ****s got away with

So very true. We've waited so long, and yet in all honesty the timing (economically) is terrible.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on July 10, 2012, 21:49:41 pm
You say that but they could sell the land now with conditions and have it built on which'd take a year or two by which time we might be out of recession and property prices might have risen again & when the developer sells it we make a % on the final purchase price


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on July 10, 2012, 22:17:08 pm
Martin Wilkinson will no doubt **** the redevelopment money up the wall anyway ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on July 11, 2012, 00:09:19 am
You say that but they could sell the land now with conditions and have it built on which'd take a year or two by which time we might be out of recession and property prices might have risen again & when the developer sells it we make a % on the final purchase price

You could be right. Let's just hope we actually get there this time, because doubtless the Saints will have the builders in and finished before any real headway starts to be made on the Sixfields complex. Fair does to them, but you can't fault their ability to get the right strings pulled.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on July 11, 2012, 00:30:51 am
The Saints are aiming to apply for planning permission in August 2013 and build in summer 2014 I think from the leaflet I read the other day


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on July 11, 2012, 19:03:07 pm
Wayne Bontoft ‏@WayneBontoft
Deal to push forward regeneration of sixfields agreed by northampton council. Full report online soon.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on July 11, 2012, 19:56:22 pm
It's on the offish site now...... Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TheEdgeyMole on July 11, 2012, 19:58:52 pm
Massive, massive news! Well done to Mr C for his persistence! Hopefully this will give us a platform for an exciting future. Still a while to go but this is the first huge step.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on July 11, 2012, 20:24:14 pm
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/bid-to-redevelop-land-around-sixfields-backed-by-council-1-4045844


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on July 11, 2012, 20:24:54 pm
AsI said before, until the first trench is dug I won't be popping any corks.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Exe on July 11, 2012, 20:46:36 pm
Good news at last but clearly it will be years yet before we see any work starting at Sixfields, oh well at least we're on our way at long last. Well done to the likes of Grove who have campaigned for this day and everybody who took the trouble to lobby councillors, write to the Chron or anything else.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on July 11, 2012, 20:53:56 pm
Can't wait to tuck into my prawns sandwiches and quaff champagne watching Fleetwood.
I'm the same, will believe it when the work is finished. Still waiting for the bloody beach they promised us! Cotton next the Sea.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Power Football on July 11, 2012, 20:54:22 pm
I love the comments Fromm the lib Dems in that Chron article. Even out of power they are still in L&G's pocket.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: fatblokecobbler on July 11, 2012, 21:22:55 pm
I love the comments Fromm the lib Dems in that Chron article. Even out of power they are still in L&G's pocket.
Shes deluded, Legal & General have no intention of expanding the Grosvenor.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on July 11, 2012, 21:27:52 pm
Interesting comment from Tony Clarke attached to that piece on the Chron site......

"Good news until you get to the comment about a "small" element of retail, as that won't pay enough to move the athletics track let alone revamp the stadium."


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on July 11, 2012, 21:43:25 pm
Interesting comment from Tony Clarke attached to that piece on the Chron site......

"Good news until you get to the comment about a "small" element of retail, as that won't pay enough to move the athletics track let alone revamp the stadium."

Yep, can see it now. The Saints fans 'happy clapping' in their nice new stand. Us getting **** over and short changed. Hope I'm wrong, I really do, but as others have said, I will believe it once the builders start work on the stadium. That's assuming there is enough money left in the pot to expand the ground.  :-\


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DL2 on July 11, 2012, 21:50:22 pm
Agreed there is still a very long way to go but at least it is a huge step in the right direction ... up the Tories  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Montgomery Eypoke III on July 11, 2012, 21:58:43 pm
I may be taking an extremely cynical view here but I do fear that if this deal allows DC to recoup a fair share of his much vaunted £7m then he could then be bidding us all farewell.

I don't know exactly where that would leave us but I doubt it'd be a good thing.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Exe on July 11, 2012, 22:23:02 pm
Interesting comment from Tony Clarke attached to that piece on the Chron site......

"Good news until you get to the comment about a "small" element of retail, as that won't pay enough to move the athletics track let alone revamp the stadium."

Does Tony Clarke have any sort of expertise in these matters? That's not a loaded question by the way, I just want to know if his opinion's worth listening to (it's not on most things) or if he's just spouting rubbish


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on July 11, 2012, 22:50:55 pm
No idea, just thought it was an interesting comment for him to make seeing as he was originally saying how much the club would benefit.....
In the beginning it was all meant to be about retail wasn't it? That's where the big money would come from, so the words of the council leader when he says about 'a small amount of retail' do not really start the pound signs flashing!!
It all depends on what type of development ends up there...two shops, a vets, a pub, a hotel and a skate park (for example!) wouldn't bring in that much would it?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on July 12, 2012, 07:20:12 am
Where's that picture of the fancy football stadium that was wheeled out several years ago? Maybe time to give an updated artists impression of what will be a similar looking sixfields albeit one with a bigger kitchen several hospitality boxes and a few extra seats. 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: North_East_Cobbler on July 12, 2012, 08:46:04 am
I may be taking an extremely cynical view here but I do fear that if this deal allows DC to recoup a fair share of his much vaunted £7m then he could then be bidding us all farewell.

I don't know exactly where that would leave us but I doubt it'd be a good thing.

I think you're being far too cynical. Why would DC plough all that money in, to just walk away from the venture once it starts actually being profitable? I'd say it was the opposite. The more successful the redevelopment is, the longer he'll stay around and pick up the profits. Whether the football club sees any profits is another thing, but I genuinely believe he wants to see NTFC go up the leagues. The higher we play, the more revenue, the more profit for big Dave.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on July 12, 2012, 10:45:34 am
I don't think anything will change for a long long time.
The plans are passed so now we will wait for a development to be passed and agreed.
We will need to get the right amount of outside investment to make it feasible.
We will then need to get it built.
I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.
It's a step in the right direction no doubt but remains just that.
A step.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on July 12, 2012, 10:45:36 am
What exactly does that now allow DC to go ahead with?
What benefits to the club can we now expect, monetary or other, and when can we expect to see those benefits?
Does this enable DC to spend money on the club that is expected to be generated by this or do we continue to be as prudent as now?  (My preference but it will not please Shouey)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on July 12, 2012, 12:00:49 pm
My understanding is that it allows him to go ahead with nothing yet! Until the land is prepared and made ready, then sold off in packets to the retailers, hoteliers or whoever, who then apply for planning permission for each individual building, then there's no idea how much money is coming in. And then we dont know what split we get of that money anyway. We're still years away from even seeing a watered down upgrade of Sixfields.
Its going to be far easier for the Saints, selling off to one party (Asda) and then building with the proceeds, which are still two years away even for them.

In reply to NECobblers post......you seem to be working on the assumption that any increase in revenue would suddenly make the club profitable. Fact is there are numerous clubs up and down the country with such facilities who still don't turn a profit. In fact do any clubs make money....apart from a big one or two? To actually recoup the £7m will take years, decades maybe, if at all.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DL2 on July 12, 2012, 12:33:51 pm
Will the various parties sell off the land for short term gain or rent it for a steady income stream?



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on July 12, 2012, 19:05:02 pm
A massive, vertical shopping mall, with hotels, pubs, clubs, etc etc. From the top, to the top of the Lighthouse and onwards to the top of the new station roof there could be a cable car. Develop the wet area to the south, make a beach and watch the RL while the wife and kids get some sun.

Bloody hell, it's exciting, isn't it?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on July 12, 2012, 19:08:47 pm
A massive, vertical shopping mall, with hotels, pubs, clubs, etc etc. From the top, to the top of the Lighthouse and onwards to the top of the new station roof there could be a cable car. Develop the wet area to the south, make a beach and watch the RL while the wife and kids get some sun.

Bloody hell, it's exciting, isn't it?

Great idea until your mentioned 'sun', where would we get that from?  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on July 12, 2012, 19:22:43 pm
shopping mall


 ???

Mall is something you do with a pair of tit.s


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on July 12, 2012, 19:24:55 pm
 ;D ;D

and

Plenty of tits down Sixfields most Saturdays!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on July 13, 2012, 16:49:12 pm
My understanding is that it allows him to go ahead with nothing yet! Until the land is prepared and made ready, then sold off in packets to the retailers, hoteliers or whoever, who then apply for planning permission for each individual building, then there's no idea how much money is coming in. And then we dont know what split we get of that money anyway. We're still years away from even seeing a watered down upgrade of Sixfields.
Its going to be far easier for the Saints, selling off to one party (Asda) and then building with the proceeds, which are still two years away even for them.

In reply to NECobblers post......you seem to be working on the assumption that any increase in revenue would suddenly make the club profitable. Fact is there are numerous clubs up and down the country with such facilities who still don't turn a profit. In fact do any clubs make money....apart from a big one or two? To actually recoup the £7m will take years, decades maybe, if at all.

Cheltenham posted a profit last season. It can be done!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on August 24, 2012, 13:25:58 pm
Nandos to open at Sixfields. That should keep some players happy.
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/legal-general-reveal-expansion-plans-for-northampton-in-sixfields-1-4199681#.UDdxISh3jl8.twitter


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Another Pedj on August 24, 2012, 13:27:24 pm
Well after years of objections Legal and general have now made their application to develop land owned by them at Sixfields.

Perhaps they will object to themselves!!!

Those Liberal councillors certainly had the wool pulled over their eyes


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on August 24, 2012, 13:35:45 pm
legal and General the worst thing to happen to the town since the asset stripping of the shoe industy. Spend years objecting to and putting spanners in the works of our redevlopment stating it will harm their town centre plans...then abandon the grosvenor plans and build more stuff at Sixfields.

It's a fu*king joke


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: boca negra cake on August 24, 2012, 14:03:44 pm
Can you explain "the asset stripping of the shoe industry" for me please, I haven't heard of that before?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on August 24, 2012, 14:23:19 pm
Look up Charles Clore.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sxcobbler on August 24, 2012, 16:01:46 pm
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/legal-general-reveal-expansion-plans-for-northampton-in-sixfields-1-4199681

This really does take the biscuit.......but all is moving in the right direction at last.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: boca negra cake on August 24, 2012, 16:14:41 pm
Look up Charles Clore.
Found this "Sir Charles Clore was a British financier, retail and property magnate and philanthropist." Can't find anything on "asset stripping though?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: wrigleys on August 24, 2012, 16:29:39 pm
BORING. The redevelopment blah blah blah will never happen and probably shouldn't either.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NaggerPagger on August 24, 2012, 16:33:00 pm
So L & G have put in there planning application good luck to them but has there been any more news on what’s happening with the clubs application?
Sorry if it’s been reported elsewhere but I’ve not seen anything since the council made their decision a few weeks ago and was wondering if any timescale had been mentioned. I did hear DC mention about the Athletics track being moved on the wireless (word of the day) before the Cardiff game. Does that mean they may develop the East stand rather than the last plans I saw which were for a massive West stand only development.

Oh and wasn’t it Charles Core who’s to blame for getting rid of Freeman Hardy and Willis?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: boca negra cake on August 24, 2012, 16:51:26 pm
Tell me more?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: wrigleys on August 24, 2012, 17:54:05 pm

Oh and wasn’t it Charles Core who’s to blame for getting rid of Freeman Hardy and Willis?


You are showing your age. What about Beatties?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on August 24, 2012, 19:29:26 pm
I really hope they redevelop the east stand and just modify the west, let's hope they see sense as all the previous proposals were always non starters or just leave the place looking plain ridicules.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: SteveRiches on August 24, 2012, 20:24:30 pm
Nothing that Legal and General do will ever benefit our club. Their only aim is to fleece our town and in the process make successive NBC regimes look like lemons.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 24, 2012, 21:18:03 pm
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/legal-general-reveal-expansion-plans-for-northampton-in-sixfields-1-4199681

This really does take the biscuit.......but all is moving in the right direction at last.

How exactly? This has nothing to do with the Cobblers plans, in fact I think it means that there will be 3 or 4 less potential customers when the land finally becomes available. This seems to be more of a gazumping move by L&G.

I remember a few years ago DC trumpeted a deal with a company (who's name escapes me) which had the plans to develop all the land around the current retail units......I missed the bit when this all died and L&G got their hands on that same land.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on August 24, 2012, 21:26:23 pm
LXB or LBX. Something like that


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on August 24, 2012, 21:35:59 pm
 Thats the way to redevelop land,buy the land 2 years ago, object to anyone else who might have the same ideas, while at the same time getting plans ready, also it seems they have names of companys who want to move in. 
 How many names has DC got ? 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on August 24, 2012, 21:54:41 pm
LXB or LBX. Something like that
LXB retail properties. The same people behind the proposed development at Rushden Lakes, that L&G kicked off about. Just click on "investment portfolio", and then "Rushden Lakes" if you are bored.
http://wwww.lxbretailproperties.com/index.php/


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on August 27, 2012, 13:21:00 pm
So LXB sell Sixfield retail to L&G then buy Rushden Lakes and propose large development that L&G who own the Grovesnor centre object to?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Insider on August 27, 2012, 17:09:32 pm
  How many names has DC got ? 

Erm, "David" and "Anthony"?  ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on August 27, 2012, 17:58:30 pm
Does anyone else feel that NTFC are going to get caught in the cross fire of a large scale land grab as the value of the regeneration zone hots up? It would only take a few large organisations be it in retail, manufacturing or distribution to show an interest in the land and Sixfields would find itself seriously helmed in with loss of car parking and any hope of future expansion.
The well being of the town should always come before it's shabby little football club!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on August 27, 2012, 22:29:53 pm
Does anyone else feel that NTFC are going to get caught in the cross fire of a large scale land grab as the value of the regeneration zone hots up? It would only take a few large organisations be it in retail, manufacturing or distribution to show an interest in the land and Sixfields would find itself seriously helmed in with loss of car parking and any hope of future expansion.
The well being of the town should always come before it's shabby little football club!
there not going to build on the hill are they and the athletics track is ours anyway. its always been known the large car parks will go at some point and there will only be the south one left


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on January 24, 2013, 21:54:05 pm
 As the team is playing much better than i hoped for (long may it continue) As the rumour thread seems to going in a circle bigger than Bayo's waistline. As i cant think of anything else to do...

 Anybody know whats happening?????????????????????????????????


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on January 24, 2013, 22:27:27 pm
 There's a barrel of real ale being sold, hope that helps.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on January 24, 2013, 23:31:29 pm
There's a barrel of real ale being sold, hope that helps.
True.... and in the great big scheme of things that is much more significant than a pipe dream !
I bloody love real ale.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on January 25, 2013, 01:56:00 am
As the team is playing much better than i hoped for (long may it continue) As the rumour thread seems to going in a circle bigger than Bayo's waistline. As i cant think of anything else to do...

 Anybody know whats happening?????????????????????????????????

One thing's for sure: if it's going to happen, it is closer than ever with each day that passes.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 25, 2013, 06:58:54 am
Think they've only just finished testing the land


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on January 25, 2013, 08:00:46 am
One thing's for sure: if it's going to happen, it is closer than ever with each day that passes.
You have wisdom exceeding your years, grasshopper  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on January 25, 2013, 09:44:13 am
The men who test the soil were at sixfields a couple of weeks ago.
That process wouldn't be happening if progress were impossible.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 25, 2013, 09:53:04 am
Did he find a natural spring whilst testing the soil?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on January 25, 2013, 10:23:21 am
Think they've only just finished testing the land

They probably found as much hot air than has been spouted over the whole saga.
All that matters is that Bayo gets his own Nando's, preferably as an ensuite to the changing rooms.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on January 25, 2013, 12:57:54 pm
Anyone still got a "Lets move the Cobblers to Brackmills" sticker on their car?


If so your cars f ucking ancient or vintage as it is now called.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 25, 2013, 19:05:07 pm
The men who test the soil were at sixfields a couple of weeks ago.
That process wouldn't be happening if progress were impossible.
They've been there since a day or two after the last announcement about having to test the soil. So how long is that? About 2 months?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on January 25, 2013, 21:56:08 pm
I guess it shuts the whingers up who love it when nothing happens. ;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: RayTrainSpotter on January 26, 2013, 20:32:52 pm
It has been quiet on the development front for a while. I really do hope something transpires before the next ice age though.

If (that huge word again) we do get up a division it will be essential that some improvement takes place so we can capitalise on any bigger crowds and or the potential commercial opportunities. With some big clubs hovering over the relegation zone in the Championship (I'm not including Boro in that) and other potential games we need the extra cash to stabilise and compete in the division.

Sadly without any ground development I fear we'll be back down before you can say "Barry Fry's illegitimate."


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on January 27, 2013, 08:06:34 am
I'm afraid it is typical of the club, for all their PR, to tell us absolutely nothing for months on end. Not a sausage since the last posting on the official site on 24 May last year. I'll believe the 'redevelopment' when I see the JCBs moving in.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on January 27, 2013, 08:49:38 am
Clint, I take it then you didn't go to the last open forum nor read the minutes from that meeting. I also Aimee you didn't read the chairmans comments regarding tests, and easy stand development....  ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: RayTrainSpotter on January 27, 2013, 11:39:19 am
Well if anyone hears anything positive please pass it on.

It just seems many other clubs even non league seem to just get on with it and put up decent sized commercially viable stands reasonably quickly without problems. Obviously it's more difficult for those with hemmed in grounds like Luton or Pish but we shouldn't really have a huge problem in a small improvement.

We know our ground is poor but I feel is doesn't need huge improvement just some quality commercial/corporate facilities and a reasonable increase in capacity so we're prepared for any bigger games/play offs/promotion.

We need to match Aidy's ambition or we'll lose him because with the facilities we have mid table Div 1 is our limit.

 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 27, 2013, 15:32:16 pm
About 2 months ago at the last forum they said they need to test the land. They have been testing the land over the course of the past 2 months. This has been detailed in the previous pages. What do you want? Somebody to read it aloud to you and draw pictures?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on January 27, 2013, 15:46:04 pm
About 2 months ago at the last forum they said they need to test the land. They have been testing the land over the course of the past 2 months. This has been detailed in the previous pages. What do you want? Somebody to read it aloud to you and draw pictures?
It only took 2 months to return soil samples from Mars!
What would happen if the soil was contaminated? Prohibition order on Sixfields?
The soil was fine 20 years ago so just stick down a big arsed heavy membrane and Build!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on January 27, 2013, 15:52:15 pm
Marquis-'read it loud or draw pictures' No!.... BUT whispering it to 60 fans at a trust meeting or an interview to the small percentage of fans that have Cobblers World is not great PR, surely better would be a 4 or 6 monthly update on the main club website. Some of us think the expansion is as important as the great work AB is doing, so are interested in any development news, however small.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 27, 2013, 15:54:32 pm
I didn't go to the forum and I knew about it so it wasn't really whispered. The problem is if they say something then you'll jump on them when it doesn't happen soon enough and if they don't say anything you'll jump on them for not saying anything.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Birdpoo on January 27, 2013, 17:15:46 pm
With some big clubs hovering over the relegation zone in the Championship (I'm not including Boro in that)

 ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: RayTrainSpotter on January 27, 2013, 21:28:29 pm
About 2 months ago at the last forum they said they need to test the land. They have been testing the land over the course of the past 2 months. This has been detailed in the previous pages. What do you want? Somebody to read it aloud to you and draw pictures?

Sorry chap, I was only asking generally that's all, didn't mean to hit a nerve if it's something your working on. I live and work away from the Town and often miss announcements etc.




Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 27, 2013, 21:55:52 pm
They haven't even built the hotel on the car park yet! Come to think of it what happened to the rival schemes where hotels were going to be built in other places....nothing happened there either did it?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on January 28, 2013, 13:26:45 pm
South stand like the one behind goal at Bescot would be a good start. Actually anything tangible.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WalsallF2Go.jpg


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: RayTrainSpotter on January 28, 2013, 15:18:00 pm
Agreed Zen.

Don't know why after all the hassle DC has continued with the big development. A second tier on north or south stands with corporate facilities between makes more sense than screwing around with the west stand.

Surely as a property developer he has access to schemes for development projects. A sensible first phase could be bank financed and with the corporate facilities run correctly year round it would fund itself.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on January 28, 2013, 20:06:58 pm
If we sell bayo in the transfer window a lot of fans on here will soil their pants.
I wonder if that will also need testing before redeveloping :o


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on January 28, 2013, 21:17:14 pm
We need to be looking at increasing capacity by a minimum 4000 if we have any ambition to ever play in the Championship, while there is no money in the pot, we need to look at doing it quickly and on the cheap. 2000 standing terraces built up behind the North and South stands. Keeping them as basic as possible, foundations,  supporting steel sections with pre formed terrace sections, the roof to be metal sheets on supporting purlins and supported by 2 large supports as opposed to a more expensive cantilevered roof.
Erect a supporting scaffold behind the East stand to hold 12 corporate / sponsor boxes. supporters bar and sponsor lounges can be created by use of temporary mobile type structures, hired or purchased 2nd hand and tarted up. These could be Hired out and used be used 7 days a week?

This would leave us with one of the best looking/ quirky little stadiums in the land.


As for the enabling works,  flog the land around sixfields such as the North car park, prime land for a hotel and retail etc and use a  little of funds raised to up grade the Stadium on the cheap.

Its got to be a better option and more manageable than anything proposed over these past 10 years!
I doubt anyone would object to this happening at Sixfields?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on January 28, 2013, 21:30:37 pm
I don't think we own the north car park so unfortunately we can't sell it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Iest_ntfc on January 29, 2013, 11:34:32 am
We need to be looking at increasing capacity by a minimum 4000 if we have any ambition to ever play in the Championship, while there is no money in the pot, we need to look at doing it quickly and on the cheap. 2000 standing terraces built up behind the North and South stands. Keeping them as basic as possible, foundations,  supporting steel sections with pre formed terrace sections, the roof to be metal sheets on supporting purlins and supported by 2 large supports as opposed to a more expensive cantilevered roof.
Erect a supporting scaffold behind the East stand to hold 12 corporate / sponsor boxes. supporters bar and sponsor lounges can be created by use of temporary mobile type structures, hired or purchased 2nd hand and tarted up. These could be Hired out and used be used 7 days a week?

This would leave us with one of the best looking/ quirky little stadiums in the land.


As for the enabling works,  flog the land around sixfields such as the North car park, prime land for a hotel and retail etc and use a  little of funds raised to up grade the Stadium on the cheap.

Its got to be a better option and more manageable than anything proposed over these past 10 years!
I doubt anyone would object to this happening at Sixfields?


Quick someone get DC to give this man a job, He clearly knows how to solve all our problems in one quick step!!!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TopCat on January 29, 2013, 14:40:33 pm
We need to be looking at increasing capacity by a minimum 4000 if we have any ambition to ever play in the Championship, while there is no money in the pot, we need to look at doing it quickly and on the cheap. 2000 standing terraces built up behind the North and South stands. Keeping them as basic as possible, foundations,  supporting steel sections with pre formed terrace sections, the roof to be metal sheets on supporting purlins and supported by 2 large supports as opposed to a more expensive cantilevered roof.
Erect a supporting scaffold behind the East stand to hold 12 corporate / sponsor boxes. supporters bar and sponsor lounges can be created by use of temporary mobile type structures, hired or purchased 2nd hand and tarted up. These could be Hired out and used be used 7 days a week?

This would leave us with one of the best looking/ quirky little stadiums in the land.


As for the enabling works,  flog the land around sixfields such as the North car park, prime land for a hotel and retail etc and use a  little of funds raised to up grade the Stadium on the cheap.

Its got to be a better option and more manageable than anything proposed over these past 10 years!
I doubt anyone would object to this happening at Sixfields?


OMG.....and the main contractor for all this? Trotter Independant Traders aka Delboy  ;)

I hate to think what an extension to your house would look like  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on January 29, 2013, 15:39:58 pm
We need to be looking at increasing capacity by a minimum 4000 if we have any ambition to ever play in the Championship, while there is no money in the pot, we need to look at doing it quickly and on the cheap. 2000 standing terraces built up behind the North and South stands. Keeping them as basic as possible, foundations,  supporting steel sections with pre formed terrace sections, the roof to be metal sheets on supporting purlins and supported by 2 large supports as opposed to a more expensive cantilevered roof.
Erect a supporting scaffold behind the East stand to hold 12 corporate / sponsor boxes. supporters bar and sponsor lounges can be created by use of temporary mobile type structures, hired or purchased 2nd hand and tarted up. These could be Hired out and used be used 7 days a week?

This would leave us with one of the best looking/ quirky little stadiums in the land.


As for the enabling works,  flog the land around sixfields such as the North car park, prime land for a hotel and retail etc and use a  little of funds raised to up grade the Stadium on the cheap.

Its got to be a better option and more manageable than anything proposed over these past 10 years!
I doubt anyone would object to this happening at Sixfields?

What a fantastic idea - you should be Chairman. Or Prime Minister, or something. Locked up probably.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on January 29, 2013, 18:43:47 pm
Maybe we should have a word with the Towns most progressive club, Northampton Rangers (silby) They seem to be getting things done ;)

Lets love and embrace Division 4 for another 20 years and wait for something to fall out the sky ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NTFC Nut on January 29, 2013, 21:19:18 pm
What a fantastic idea - you should be Chairman. Or Prime Minister, or something. Locked up probably.

 ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on January 29, 2013, 21:25:18 pm
Maybe we should have a word with the Towns most progressive club, Northampton Rangers (silby) They seem to be getting things done ;)

Lets love and embrace Division 4 for another 20 years and wait for something to fall out the sky ;D
I think you fell out the sky, Mork. Nanu nanu  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 01, 2013, 14:39:42 pm
Would anyone need any of these as part of the Sixfields development?  :P

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4818472/Obese-football-fans-will-get-supersized-seats-at-the-World-Cup.html


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on March 01, 2013, 18:56:34 pm
Relax chaps.... Just relax. :afro


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on March 01, 2013, 20:52:13 pm
Relax chaps.... Just relax. :afro
The soil samples are back?
Was it negative?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: wrigleys on March 01, 2013, 21:14:39 pm
i understand building works are beginning w/e 17th March. The new East Stand will be ready for the Barnet game, and the corners will also be filled in by then as well. A new feature of the new seats is a pipe centrally positioned in the seat, linked into a network of further pipework leading to Carrs Bar. This will allow, with minimal effort, a high pressure real ale colonic irrigation whilst you watch the game. Designated drivers and non-drinkers have a choice of hot tea or masala sauce (sponsored by Taste of Spice, Duston) as alternatives to be siphoned directly up your rear end.

The small print says the system has a design capacity to meet the anal demands of around 6000 fans, any attendees over this figure run the risk of having compressed air (potentially with metal filings left over from the installation) unfortunately piped into them due to a design fault.

The ticket office advises all fans to arrive early, a one way system will be in operation due to a clash with a half time w@nking competition.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on March 02, 2013, 06:52:09 am
i understand building works are beginning w/e 17th March. The new East Stand will be ready for the Barnet game, and the corners will also be filled in by then as well. A new feature of the new seats is a pipe centrally positioned in the seat, linked into a network of further pipework leading to Carrs Bar. This will allow, with minimal effort, a high pressure real ale colonic irrigation whilst you watch the game. Designated drivers and non-drinkers have a choice of hot tea or masala sauce (sponsored by Taste of Spice, Duston) as alternatives to be siphoned directly up your rear end.

The small print says the system has a design capacity to meet the anal demands of around 6000 fans, any attendees over this figure run the risk of having compressed air (potentially with metal filings left over from the installation) unfortunately piped into them due to a design fault.

The ticket office advises all fans to arrive early, a one way system will be in operation due to a clash with a half time w@nking competition.



Lmao.
As I said guys.... Just relax. Have a Guineas. Good things come to those who wait.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on March 02, 2013, 08:05:52 am
i understand building works are beginning w/e 17th March. The new East Stand will be ready for the Barnet game, and the corners will also be filled in by then as well. A new feature of the new seats is a pipe centrally positioned in the seat, linked into a network of further pipework leading to Carrs Bar. This will allow, with minimal effort, a high pressure real ale colonic irrigation whilst you watch the game. Designated drivers and non-drinkers have a choice of hot tea or masala sauce (sponsored by Taste of Spice, Duston) as alternatives to be siphoned directly up your rear end.

The small print says the system has a design capacity to meet the anal demands of around 6000 fans, any attendees over this figure run the risk of having compressed air (potentially with metal filings left over from the installation) unfortunately piped into them due to a design fault.

The ticket office advises all fans to arrive early, a one way system will be in operation due to a clash with a half time w@nking competition.
That's the most comprehensive statement I've heard about the 'redevelopment' in years  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 02, 2013, 08:07:45 am
The soil samples are back?
Was it negative?

No, it was full of white dog do.. 8)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on March 02, 2013, 08:46:49 am
No, it was full of white dog do.. 8)
No, that would be the stool samples


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on March 03, 2013, 21:07:49 pm
No, it was full of white dog do.. 8)

Whatever happened to white dog do?? You just don't see it anymore ??? ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: wrigleys on March 03, 2013, 21:12:10 pm
Whatever happened to white dog do?? You just don't see it anymore ??? ;D

Dog food used to contain loads of chalk to bulk it out until it was banned I thought?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest170 on April 18, 2013, 07:12:40 am
Did anyone see this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22187828

"Cardiff City would not be in the Premier League without the new stadium,"


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on April 18, 2013, 10:39:58 am
They should use all that methane under the pitch to power under soil heating


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on April 18, 2013, 12:14:34 pm
Any news on the soil samples ;D
Any news at all come to think of it ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 18, 2013, 15:38:51 pm
I'm sure the deal is 'almost ready to be signed off'.....stop being so impatient!!   ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 18, 2013, 15:41:45 pm
I'm sure the deal is 'almost ready to be signed off'.....stop being so impatient!!   ;)

They haven't lost the pen again?  ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on April 18, 2013, 20:14:08 pm
A proper update from the Club would be nice.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: oop_north on April 18, 2013, 20:36:15 pm
We could move to Rockingham Road for next season.  The pitch will suit our style of play, and the facilities will give everyone something to moan about....

http://paulstott.typepad.com/i_intend_to_escape_and_co/2013/02/a-derelict-football-stadium-rockingham-road-kettering-.html


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on April 18, 2013, 20:52:50 pm
Nothing will be announced until every t is crossed and every I is dotted...
Why would DC make an statement only to have this board catch fire if something went wrong.
Patience.....


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on April 18, 2013, 20:55:54 pm
We could move to Rockingham Road for next season.  The pitch will suit our style of play, and the facilities will give everyone something to moan about....

http://paulstott.typepad.com/i_intend_to_escape_and_co/2013/02/a-derelict-football-stadium-rockingham-road-kettering-.html
That is a real shame and really tugs at the heartstrings. Just hope to god that an Imraan Ladak type never gets his hands on us.
Makes you thankful for David Cardoza.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 18, 2013, 21:27:53 pm
Nothing will be announced until every t is crossed and every I is dotted...
Why would DC make an statement only to have this board catch fire if something went wrong.
Patience.....
Never stopped them in the past


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 18, 2013, 21:59:13 pm
Never stopped them in the past

Too true!! And how long has Tony Clarke been gone now? I remember him saying we were only a month away from building work starting!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 25, 2013, 07:53:36 am
Here we go. No really this time. Maybe....


http://m.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/sixfields-expansion-plan-finally-ready-to-go-1-5033506#.UXjSUDMNb4w.mailto


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: abington_cobbler on April 25, 2013, 07:58:22 am
Well done DC and NBC for finally helping the club get approval for ground expansion. Making the east stand the new main stand with boxes etc. makes sense... Although I refuse to believe it will happen until work starts


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest170 on April 25, 2013, 07:58:49 am
A bit more here as well
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers/northampton-town-chairman-cardoza-reveals-sixfields-redevelopment-plans-1-5033207


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Bingers on April 25, 2013, 08:10:06 am
Making the east stand the new main stand with boxes etc. makes sense...

Maybe one day we'll be hearing about the Amazing East Stand Atmosphere!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on April 25, 2013, 08:29:16 am
 :afro


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on April 25, 2013, 08:38:11 am
Signs of progress at last, I hope. Wasn't the ground constructed in a modular way, so as to facilitate expansion? I wonder what the project plan timescale is for the building work (the stadium that is), and in which year it will actually start?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on April 25, 2013, 09:04:45 am
Now is a good time for the club to listen to what the fans want within reason. So we don't have years of complaints after.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 25, 2013, 09:35:16 am
Signs of progress at last, I hope. Wasn't the ground constructed in a modular way, so as to facilitate expansion? I wonder what the project plan timescale is for the building work (the stadium that is), and in which year it will actually start?

I wonder if the modular way the ground was constructed 20 years ago is still the way grounds are built these days? Listening to the plans for the East Stand I wouldn't be surprised if the East Stand as it is now will be demolished to be replaced by a completely new structure.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest170 on April 25, 2013, 10:01:04 am
Signs of progress at last, I hope. Wasn't the ground constructed in a modular way, so as to facilitate expansion? I wonder what the project plan timescale is for the building work (the stadium that is), and in which year it will actually start?
From memory the North, South and East were all designed with that approach in mind, the West wasnt. Not sure if the East modular design took in housing the hospitality etc.

Hopefully we'll get an updated design with time scales soon.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Popeye Doyle on April 25, 2013, 10:46:40 am
I wonder if the modular way the ground was constructed 20 years ago is still the way grounds are built these days? Listening to the plans for the East Stand I wouldn't be surprised if the East Stand as it is now will be demolished to be replaced by a completely new structure.
Probably looking at this simplistically, but if the east stand is dismantled, could it not be re- utilised as a second tier to either the north or south stand, would help keep costs down.  ???




Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 25, 2013, 11:10:01 am
That is a real shame and really tugs at the heartstrings. Just hope to god that an Imraan Ladak type never gets his hands on us.
Makes you thankful for David Cardoza.

Apart from the length of the grass, that stadium looks exactly as it did the last time I attended a match there. I'm not joking either.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Iest_ntfc on April 25, 2013, 12:05:46 pm
I wonder if the modular way the ground was constructed 20 years ago is still the way grounds are built these days? Listening to the plans for the East Stand I wouldn't be surprised if the East Stand as it is now will be demolished to be replaced by a completely new structure.

I'm not sure modular was the best description for it. I think it was only a case of being able to take the roof and building upwards.

If the corprate facilities are being moved to a new east stand then I'd like to see the executive restaurant/players lounge knocked into one big room and turned into a proper supporters bar similar to the long bar at the saints.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Power Football on April 25, 2013, 12:40:08 pm

If the corprate facilities are being moved to a new east stand then I'd like to see the executive restaurant/players lounge knocked into one big room and turned into a proper supporters bar similar to the long bar at the saints.

Now that is a good idea...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 25, 2013, 12:41:13 pm
Or a pound shop.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on April 25, 2013, 13:51:04 pm
Or a pound shop.
;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on April 25, 2013, 14:02:34 pm
Here this this bollox every couple of years then it disappears. I wouldn't believe anything just yet. If we do go up I'm sure that would kick-start things..


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on April 25, 2013, 15:47:13 pm
In DC we trust!

Hurry up though, because I'm 57 now and want to enjoy the facilities and a higher grade of football soon!!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 25, 2013, 16:06:37 pm
Good news that could be even better with a time scale!

Very pleased they're now making the east the new main stand. Just having a new east stand with a 6000 capacity would give the ground the look of a proper stadium and enough capacity to survive in the championship, also giving the club an important 7 day income.
I just hope they don't go lose those soil samples!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 25, 2013, 16:19:43 pm
Will all spectators in the East be issued with sun visors?  8)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Bunny on April 25, 2013, 16:38:30 pm
Will all spectators in the East be issued with blankets, ear plugs and glasses which turn black whenever something happens which might offend them?  8)

Come on now, the ageing residents of the West Stand aren't that bad!  :-X


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 25, 2013, 16:45:22 pm
I think I have watched games from the East stand three times and I found the constant need to shade my eyes from the sun a right pain in the arse.
I do however understand and agree with knocking down the current East stand and replacing it with a new main stand. I hope it will be classy and not done on the cheap though. I guess it will also be the new main entrance to the ground also so everything will need turning arse about face to where it is now.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Bunny on April 25, 2013, 16:46:55 pm
I hope it will be classy and not done on the cheap though.

What, like made from cardboard and sticky tape?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 25, 2013, 16:57:01 pm
As we will soon be playing 1 touch football only to feet there will be no need to keep looking up at the sky. For those that request them there will be claret tinted spectacles made available. Apparently they go well with claret flares.
 

 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 25, 2013, 18:27:35 pm
I think I have watched games from the East stand three times and I found the constant need to shade my eyes from the sun a right pain in the arse.
I do however understand and agree with knocking down the current East stand and replacing it with a new main stand. I hope it will be classy and not done on the cheap though. I guess it will also be the new main entrance to the ground also so everything will need turning arse about face to where it is now.

I must admit the sun-in-eyes thing is a genuine problem from that side of the ground. I have only sat in that stand maybe a dozen times, and on each of those occasions it was spoilt by the glare. 8)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 25, 2013, 19:32:08 pm
I'll believe this when I see the construction actually begin.

However, if it does begin, I wonder what will happen with the away allocation. I assume the club won't be giving a section of the main stand to away fans?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 25, 2013, 19:37:04 pm
So we really will see an atmosphere in the west one day then


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 25, 2013, 19:39:12 pm
What, like made from cardboard and sticky tape?


That would be very dissapointing.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on April 25, 2013, 19:54:44 pm
so everything will need turning arse about face to where it is now.

Away fans in the north stand ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 25, 2013, 20:48:49 pm
Away fans in the north stand ?


Maybe, if new roads and entrances are built into the new East Stand then the club might prefer the away support out of the way at the other end of the ground.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on April 25, 2013, 21:07:12 pm
 Cant see away fans in the North Stand, dont see the benifit. At least in the South Stand the police can get the away fans on the coaches and away quite quick. 
Mind you if they do put  away fans were in the North you might get some noise coming out of it  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: WasRambo on April 25, 2013, 21:11:20 pm
Yep, put the away fans in the North, build a big hotel where the south is with a standing lower terrace facing the pitch and hotel rooms/conferencing above like at the DeVere Whites/Reebok then we can have the Hotel End back.

Slightly aspirational I guess....


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 25, 2013, 21:42:04 pm
  Mind you if they do put  away fans were in the North you might get some noise coming out of it  ;D
;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 25, 2013, 21:50:46 pm
Come on now, the ageing residents of the West Stand aren't that bad!  :-X

You read my subliminal message then?   ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Bunny on April 25, 2013, 22:02:02 pm
To be frank, if there is no helipad then I'll simply not be coming.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TheEdgeyMole on April 25, 2013, 22:04:30 pm
Coupled with the helipad I presume they'll be implementing zip wires from the hill to your seat?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Bunny on April 25, 2013, 22:05:57 pm
Coupled with the helipad I presume they'll be implementing zip wires from the hill to your seat?

Someone get this intelligent man on the design team - NOW!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NaggerPagger on April 26, 2013, 11:04:35 am
I must admit the sun-in-eyes thing is a genuine problem from that side of the ground. I have only sat in that stand maybe a dozen times, and on each of those occasions it was spoilt by the glare. 8)

When the kids were younger I sat in the East stand quite a bit, on sunny days the sun was a problem and the East stand salute was needed however for the majority of games on cold wet winter days and evenings the sun was never out.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: North_East_Cobbler on April 26, 2013, 11:35:20 am
Coupled with the helipad I presume they'll be implementing zip wires from the hill to your seat?

Newcastle are considering copying Utrecht and installing slides and escalators. I can't see why we can't have one of these from the top of the hill. . . http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2284350/Slides-built-St-James-Park-permission-granted.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2284350/Slides-built-St-James-Park-permission-granted.html)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 26, 2013, 11:58:12 am
Newcastle are considering copying Utrecht and installing slides and escalators. I can't see why we can't have one of these from the top of the hill. . . http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2284350/Slides-built-St-James-Park-permission-granted.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2284350/Slides-built-St-James-Park-permission-granted.html)
I cant wait to see the H&S excuses for this one!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Bu-Bu-Buchanan on May 09, 2013, 23:33:07 pm
Should we get the right result at Wembley we'll be playing some well supported clubs next season and Pish.

Now it seems the redevelopment would be focused on the East stand first, would it not be worth the club considering a Gillingham style temporary extension to either the North or South stands? The roof to either of these stands would be fairly simple to remove and a meccano job could be placed behind.

This could be erected during the close season and with the extra coming from Wembley would it not be a case of speculate to accumulate?

If it was done to the south, I'm sure the likes of Wolves, Brizzle City, Cov, Sheff Utd and erm, oh I forget now would bring more than 946 or whatever is the current capacity. That would leave all the east for us if were doing ok?



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on May 27, 2013, 21:19:02 pm
Any sign of a digger yet anyone?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: southofthecounty on May 27, 2013, 21:32:36 pm
Any sign of a digger yet anyone?
Do you mean Rebecca?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: towcestercobbler on May 27, 2013, 21:34:47 pm
Do you mean Rebecca?

I've not seen her, but she is only 4 miles away.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Power Football on May 27, 2013, 22:17:31 pm
When's the next set of local elections? That's when you can next expect an update..!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 28, 2013, 21:47:18 pm
When's the next set of local elections? That's when you can next expect an update..!

Sad, though likely very true :-X


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NaggerPagger on June 26, 2013, 11:29:34 am
I’ve just seen a white “construction” van leaving the M1 J15a heading into Northampton maybe an announcement from the club will be imminent


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: southofthecounty on June 26, 2013, 13:39:33 pm
I’ve just seen a white “construction” van leaving the M1 J15a heading into Northampton maybe an announcement from the club will be imminent
I bet it set out early this morning from Torquay, and was driven by an Irishman.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on June 26, 2013, 14:03:13 pm
I bet it set out early this morning from Torquay, and was driven by an Irishman.
;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: southofthecounty on June 26, 2013, 16:38:19 pm
I’ve just seen a white “construction” van leaving the M1 J15a heading into Northampton maybe an announcement from the club will be imminent
Did you notice if the driver was wearing a hi-vi vest?
It'd be handy for the subs bench.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on July 17, 2013, 18:35:33 pm
Has just been given the nod of approval at tonights council meeting. (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/thumb.gif)

@WayneBontoft
The loan deals for the saints and cobblers have been passed unanimously by the council's cabinet. Full report on Chron site later...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on July 18, 2013, 14:09:51 pm
Revised plans expected by mid August...this year 2013   :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on July 18, 2013, 14:11:31 pm
Are we having a roof ? Would love a roof.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on July 18, 2013, 14:26:19 pm
As long as it has owls!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on July 18, 2013, 14:51:34 pm
 I really hope that this development is well done. It would be interesting to know what  proportion is being spent on the stadium of the £12 million total sum and what is going on the rest of it all, housing etc.
 It would seem that developing the East Stand to incorporate boxes would make sense if any plans do not already have this as to build a new stand without then spend money on adding to the West seems a bit mad. Both maybe. If you take a look at the Bescot stadium they spent £3million developing the stand behind the goal to include boxes and 4000 seats. The impressive Parkside stand at Fleetwood cost £4million but only 2000 seats.
 Whatever happens it can only add to the facilities as long as the loos are big enough!

 Hopefully good times are on the way.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: oop_north on July 18, 2013, 14:57:52 pm
I really hope that this development is well done. .......
 Whatever happens it can only add to the facilities as long as the loos are big enough!

 Hopefully good times are on the way.

Are you planning on doing some giant poos?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 04, 2013, 11:21:42 am
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/politics/sixfields-land-deal-is-due-to-be-approved-1-5557046

The latest?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on October 04, 2013, 14:19:47 pm
Is there similarities with the st Crispin and st Edmonds development, where part of the deal to allow houses to be built was that they would also redevelop the existing's buildings. Anybody travelling down Welly rd could be forgiven thinking they're in Syria at the state St Edmonds has been left in.

What's getting built first, houses or ground redevelopment ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on October 04, 2013, 14:45:39 pm
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/politics/sixfields-land-deal-is-due-to-be-approved-1-5557046

The latest?

Stage one...and I also know that the athletics club now has a new home ....
It's getting closer....  :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on October 04, 2013, 16:06:32 pm
Stage one...and I also know that the athletics club now has a new home ....
It's getting closer....  :)

Care to share ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: teletext on October 04, 2013, 16:14:03 pm
Is there similarities with the st Crispin and st Edmonds development, where part of the deal to allow houses to be built was that they would also redevelop the existing's buildings. Anybody travelling down Welly rd could be forgiven thinking they're in Syria at the state St Edmonds has been left in.

What's getting built first, houses or ground redevelopment ?
The £12m loan for the ground redevelopment tends to imply the ground will be redeveloped first with the loan, and the loan will then be paid off from the proceeds of the house building.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on October 04, 2013, 16:41:13 pm
Looking on the bright side , when we are in the conference and playing pay as you go at Nene Park a 10,000 seat stadium
could come in very handy as an immigration centre.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: STEVIEG on October 04, 2013, 18:32:55 pm
athletics club are relocating to moulton college, and is apparently being funded by part of the 12m being borrowed from NBC.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 09, 2013, 14:29:28 pm
E-shot received earlier indicates exciting news towards the end of this week. I'm looking forward to it!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on October 09, 2013, 22:07:28 pm
E-shot received earlier indicates exciting news towards the end of this week. I'm looking forward to it!
Me too  :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on October 09, 2013, 22:59:47 pm
Is the council(ie taxpayer) funding the redevelopment or are the club also putting some money towards it??

It's dragged on so long I honestly don't have a clue.

It would seem off for the tax paying public of the county to pay for any redevelopment that could make any individual a profit without putting in any funds themselves.

Does the deal include the cobblers board having to personally pay back the 12M before trying to sell for a profit or can the board line up a buyer in excess of 12M without fronting a penny.

I'm only asking as I don't think it is posted anywhere and as a bloke who has paid money through the turnstiles as well as taxes I don't think it's unreasonable for the position to be made clear.

Is it entirely tax payer funded??
Partly ntfc(board) funded.
What is the split.
Has the ammount the club are putting in as opposed to the taxpayer been announced??
I'm sorry for raising a point that I'm sure has already been answered by the media/knowledgable members of this forum but it's dragged on for a decade and I may have missed the odd post in the last decade ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on October 09, 2013, 23:15:37 pm
 As far as im aware the money comes from Central Government, the money is given to the council then passed onto the Club in the shape of a loan, that's in simple terms.  All councils throughout the Country have access to this type of money for various projects.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 10, 2013, 07:59:34 am
Like you don't know the answers when you have views on everything!

A Loan.

Also see Silverstone for similar activity.
 
The way I see it is The council ultimately own the stadium which we lease and maintain. We then borrow money via the owners to do up their asset and then pay them back with interest. The club then hopefully has a firmer financial basis and better match day facilities and experience which hopefully includes on the pitch.
The Athletics club get new and improved facilities that also improve Moulton Colleges facilities.
Impact on local council services as a result of the loan. Nothing at all.
Additional housing that will undoubtedly have to include some element of social housing as a component of the deal when waiting lists are at all time highs.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 10, 2013, 08:17:49 am
Shoemaker...your the sort of bloke who wins 10million on the lottery but before picking his winnings up demands to know how the money from his £1 ticket was spent and then moans about it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 10, 2013, 08:54:36 am
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/business/business-news/sixfields-expansion-plan-to-be-submitted-tomorrow-1-5566712

Plans to be submitted tomorrow....to be approved by Christmas......work to start in February.........stands completed by August.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on October 10, 2013, 09:18:31 am
Thanks for the answers seems a great deal for the club without them fronting a penny!!
Got to be good news for DC and maybe for the club as a whole.
That said sometimes if something is too good to be true it usually is.
Obviously I hope this is the exception to the rule ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: eieieio on October 10, 2013, 09:42:37 am
When can we see the plans ? Do we get a look before there submitted ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 10, 2013, 10:08:43 am
When can we see the plans ? Do we get a look before there submitted ?

Pretend you're a lib-dem, put in an objection to the council and then ask if you can scrutinise the plans.  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on October 10, 2013, 10:25:44 am
When can we see the plans ? Do we get a look before there submitted ?
Next week according to NBC.
http://www.northampton.gov.uk/news/article/1700/sixfields-stadium-plans-getting-ready-for-kick-off


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: eieieio on October 10, 2013, 11:24:25 am
Pretend you're a lib-dem, put in an objection to the council and then ask if you can scrutinise the plans.  ;)

I think I would rather wait until it's built,  >:D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: MK_Cobbler on October 10, 2013, 17:09:12 pm
Looks like we are getting closer...

Fingers crossed the ball starts rolling soon, could really do with 3 seats to myself as apposed to the 2 I normally have.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on October 10, 2013, 17:41:37 pm
Looks like we are getting closer...

Fingers crossed the ball starts rolling soon, could really do with 3 seats to myself as apposed to the 2 I normally have.
well if that's your thing may I suggest stad mong, you can have 20 there.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on October 10, 2013, 18:42:40 pm
Shoemaker...your the sort of bloke who wins 10million on the lottery but before picking his winnings up demands to know how the money from his £1 ticket was spent and then moans about it.
  ;D

This is the man who moans incessantly about spending money, then when we get a government LOAN to invest in exciting new facilities...questions it.

A tool...if ever there was one.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 10, 2013, 19:36:47 pm
Looks like we are getting closer...

Fingers crossed the ball starts rolling soon, could really do with 3 seats to myself as apposed to the 2 I normally have.

Is your a rse that big? If your planning on flying soon let us know so I don't coincidently end up sitting next to you.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on October 10, 2013, 19:42:43 pm
  ;D

This is the man who moans incessantly about spending money, then when we get a government LOAN to invest in exciting new facilities...questions it.

A tool...if ever there was one.

Your opinion as always is of great benefit to the debate dogpoo ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on October 11, 2013, 06:58:32 am
  ;D

This is the man who moans incessantly about spending money, then when we get a government LOAN to invest in exciting new facilities...questions it.

A tool...if ever there was one.

Your opinion as always is of great benefit to the debate dogpoo ;D
I'm glad you recognise that.....


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on October 11, 2013, 09:00:03 am
I'm glad you recognise that.....
 ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 11, 2013, 13:16:03 pm
Looks like we are getting closer...

Fingers crossed the ball starts rolling soon, could really do with 3 seats to myself as apposed to the 2 I normally have.
do you still not quite understand the reasoning behind the redevelopment? is it still just that little bit too difficult for you?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on October 11, 2013, 13:53:23 pm
There is no point Marquis, beyond help.

Anyway I like the sound of the new East Stand, few extra thousand seats, corporate boxes, gym, conference facilities, more food outlets, larger bar area - all very positive.

I might even indulge in a corporate box.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on October 11, 2013, 14:15:09 pm
Over the years little pockets of friendship have grown amongst the STH's in the East , as I suppose they have in all of the stands.
I hope that after our stand is rebuilt the club looks into ways of offering us the facility to stay together.
I assume that while the development is going on we will all be scattered through the west and north.
Can put up with that if we can all get back together in a nice shiny new stand though.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on October 11, 2013, 14:49:27 pm

This is the man who moans incessantly about spending money, then when we get a government LOAN to invest in exciting new facilities...questions it. A tool...if ever there was one. Your opinion as always is of great benefit to the debate dogpoo ;D

Shoey any chance of you and one or two others getting to use the quote facility correctly ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on October 11, 2013, 16:03:51 pm
Unlikely I'd say.
More chance of having a 10,000 attendance for a match at sixfields ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 11, 2013, 16:36:05 pm
Had a mental too much cheese dream last night that I won loads on the Euromillions. Dreamt that I took over the whole thing and scrapped Sixfields and moved the club to the St Edmunds site on the Welly Rd and built a shiny 25k stadium sponsored by Istanbul Chef.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on October 11, 2013, 17:30:41 pm
Had a mental too much cheese dream last night that I won loads on the Euromillions. Dreamt that I took over the whole thing and scrapped Sixfields and moved the club to the St Edmunds site on the Welly Rd and built a shiny 25k stadium sponsored by Istanbul Chef.

That is almost Shakespearean  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 11, 2013, 17:48:54 pm
You should have seen the food kiosks Midwest, Imran, Dangs....
Compulsory to do the Welly Rd before and after every game!

 Shame I woke up really. ⚽🍻🍔


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on October 11, 2013, 18:04:26 pm
Over the years little pockets of friendship have grown amongst the STH's in the East , as I suppose they have in all of the stands.
I hope that after our stand is rebuilt the club looks into ways of offering us the facility to stay together.
I assume that while the development is going on we will all be scattered through the west and north.
Can put up with that if we can all get back together in a nice shiny new stand though.

Like this post Viewy. My mate, his lads and myself have been season ticket holders in the same seats in the middle of the West for about eight years now and have also built up a friendship of sorts with those around us. We are mostly upbeat and healthily cynical which has led to us having a right laugh at most matches. I hope we all keep the same seats once the development is completed because if I'm honest I probably wouldn't have travelled from Nottingham so regularly in the last couple of seasons or so. I don't have a great deal of faith in David Cardoza, I truly hope he gets this development right and oversees the building of a modern and attractive stand over there. I'll remain healthily cynical and upbeat though either way.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on October 11, 2013, 18:11:02 pm
You should have seen the food kiosks , Dangs....
Is there a market for half time Chihuahua and chips?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 11, 2013, 20:17:20 pm
The Michelin guide recommended Dangs you mean?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on October 11, 2013, 20:49:35 pm
The Michelin guide recommended Dangs you mean?
I didnt realise that it had achieved this status, but then I dont tend to dine out in restaurants where the local delicacy is canine based.  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on October 12, 2013, 19:35:30 pm
In a worst case scenario where the cobblers are relegated to the ranks of non league football surely attendancies will fall significantly.
Will this affect the ability to pay the council they're twelve million pounds back?
If then heaven forbid the club folded would the twelve million still be owed.
Does anyone know if DC has personally guaranteed the loan or is it set against the club in which case it could be annulled if the club went bust.

I feel this is an important question and apologies if it's already been answered because as it stands there is a chance of this occurring and if DC thought the loan couldn't be financed it would be tempting to liquidate to avoid payment.
If however it was personally guaranteed then I feel the club would be at less risk if the worst happened.

I'm sure many will moan and see this as a doomonger post but I believe it's actually very important for the position to be made clear as would any fan with the future of the club at heart.

I'm not moaning just trying to raise an important point.
Has it been mentioned or does anyone(or the media) know the answer?
Up the tayn.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 12, 2013, 19:37:55 pm
Please just f uck off.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on October 12, 2013, 19:47:45 pm
Yawn...... If the club folded not one person would give a flying f about the status of the loan. This model has been used numerous times before around the country.  I'd usually give you more credit to understand that. I wouldn't knock the first bit of ambition this town has shown for a long time. Well, that's maybe a little unfair but it's a significant step towards making Northampton a better place.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on October 12, 2013, 19:58:40 pm
I'm not knocking any ambition whatsoever.
All I've done is ask what I feel is a justified question and if anyone can answer it and surprise,surprise pelters.

Is it not fair to be concerned when it is entirely possible(god forbid) that the club could this time next year be a non league club with a twenty million pound debt(as I understand it DCs loans and the stadium loan).

A non league club with a £20m debt is not good is it?

I hope to god that relegation is avoided the ground is redeveloped,it is full every week and we have a good team on the pitch.
I also hope if that's the scenario that DC if he chooses to cash in makes a decent profit on his investment.
It goes without saying that I along with everyone else whose followed the cobblers wants this outcome.

The trouble is as soon as you ask a serious question to members of this board that isn't claret tinted or fits in with a happy clappy philosophy you are instantly vilified.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on October 12, 2013, 20:13:56 pm
Which happens to follow an hour or two after an away defeat. DC's prior investment is his look out and he'll never get it back should we 'fold', neither would the council.
The laws of probability mean we will get relegated at some point with our history. It's just now would be the worst and most ironic time to suffer that fate. It wouldn't be the end of NTFC though.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 12, 2013, 20:17:25 pm
In June the average house price in Northampton was £165k. The plans include 300 houses alongside everything else.

300 x a modest £120k house price estimate is 36 million return before build costs. Plus hotel, leases on retail units and conference centre returns etc. Plus stadium change in income streams.
 
 Worried? No. Whether this will translate into better football who knows?
Default on the council loan on the ground and the land the council own. Not really likely.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on October 12, 2013, 20:26:25 pm
Thanks for a balanced reply tone.
Makes a change from being swore at(something I've never done to any other fellow cobblers fan on this board).
Whilst many obviously dislike me it's getting to the point where I can't raise a genuine concern without abuse which is unfair.
I've no problem if the powers that be would prefer that genuine concerns were not raised on this board and would adhere to it.
If the head honchos decide for a watered down forum of pure banter where best pie fillings or favourite players haircuts are discussed that's fine by me(I actually find lots of posters humour on here brilliant).

If its uncomfortable to raise concerns then I'm all for a pie and haircut forum and we can leave concerns to be aired in other mediums.
I'm all for that.
I'd rather have a laugh than personal insults even if it means certain issues being avoided on this forum.
At the end of the day were all cobblers fans and if certain issues lead to fallings out/insults then this forum will be better as a chicken and mushroom/Peter Gleasure board.
Up the tayn.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 12, 2013, 20:52:42 pm
Don't go too deeply into it Shoey....forget about the loan as this will be pretty much all paid back by the housing. You are of course right to question whether we'd have a white elephant of a stadium if we did go down, and of course crowds, sponsorship, commercial revenues would all slide if we did go down with the inevitable further pressure on the playing budget.
I think when push comes to shove Cardoza pretty much manages to squeeze a few more quid out of his bank/dad and we bring someone in. We've certainly got more scope to do that than an Accrington/Torquay/Dagenham I think. The trick is not to leave it too late!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 12, 2013, 20:58:40 pm
Just off on a slightly different tangent.....isn't tomorrow the day the demolition crew move in?
Coventry v Sheff Utd live on Sky isn't it?!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 12, 2013, 21:55:26 pm
It's definitely Coventry v Sheffield United on Sky tomorrow at 3.30. They could really have played today with the Cobblers being away but I guess Sky dictated what day the game would be played. I wonder who get's the Sky money, Coventry or us as owners of the stadium .


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 13, 2013, 12:28:02 pm
In a worst case scenario where the cobblers are relegated to the ranks of non league football surely attendancies will fall significantly.
Will this affect the ability to pay the council they're twelve million pounds back?
yeah if we go down that affects the land value you half witted twát


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 13, 2013, 12:30:46 pm
It's definitely Coventry v Sheffield United on Sky tomorrow at 3.30. They could really have played today with the Cobblers being away but I guess Sky dictated what day the game would be played. I wonder who get's the Sky money, Coventry or us as owners of the stadium .

well coventry obviously  ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on October 13, 2013, 13:05:09 pm
well coventry obviously  ???
I've heard that the owners of pitchside adverts have been told to pay another £600 for the cov games, or they get covered over, seems reasonable, especially this weeks when 10 million will be viewing.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ajp on October 16, 2013, 15:08:23 pm
Where's this 'Artists Impression' then?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 16, 2013, 15:33:10 pm
I do a great impression of a p1ss artist.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on October 16, 2013, 17:42:25 pm
Sixfields stadium planning application no: N/2013/1048 is now on the NBC website.
You may need to be an architect to understand it though.  :D

http://www.northampton.gov.uk/info/200206/planning-applications/1918/sixfields-stadium-planning-application


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 16, 2013, 19:13:22 pm
 It is exciting as we have never got to this stage before. The easiest thing to do is read the Design and Access statement. There are some spelling and grammatical errors though but don't let this trouble you. (mail toilets, Northampton football club etc)
 It states that the total capacity of the re developed East stand will be 2192 instead of the current 1042 + 106 disabled. It is actually 4124 + 24 so will be larger in capacity than the current West Stand with the ends remaining the same as we knew. The boxes will be at the top above the seating. Some reduction of overall disabled spaces I think.
 I make it a total capacity of 10017.  How the away following will be accommodated is unclear and may be the same as now but whether it makes sense and how they will segregate etc in larger stand will become clearer.

 All good though.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on October 16, 2013, 19:31:29 pm
 Current East Stand holds about 1,700, so new stand should be somewhere around 4,000. Seating wise roughly same as West but will have to be bigger to take into account boxes etc.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 16, 2013, 19:38:13 pm
My figures are precise! Taken from the architects drawings.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on October 16, 2013, 19:56:57 pm
 Never trust an Architect  ;D Those figures he has quoted don't add up to the current capacity  ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on October 16, 2013, 20:05:29 pm
My figures are precise! Taken from the architects drawings.

But incorrect ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on October 16, 2013, 20:05:54 pm
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on October 16, 2013, 20:42:05 pm
"The proposal therefore includes for retention of the spectators terraced
seating, removal of the entire roof structure, whilst retaining its support
structure at the and of the seating terrace, adding additional terrace
containing 12 rows of seating with total seating capacity of 2192 seats
at
the pitch side."

The proposal as i read it is for 12 new rows of seats which will increase the new seating capacity by 2192, rather than as Zen suggests a total seated capacity of 2192. Otherwise, if Zen is reading it correctly (and I am wrong) then it basically means 3/4 additional rows of seating to what we have now? Pointless.

Does anyone have any actual figures for how many the exec boxes will hold, ie the final total capacity?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on October 16, 2013, 20:58:52 pm
That would make sense as each row is a out 200 seats long, so 12x200=2400, minus some for exits etc. So, 12 additional rows on an upper level, plus boxes...?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on October 16, 2013, 21:04:23 pm
Hopefully the club will make an in depth statement soon,


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on October 16, 2013, 21:22:54 pm
Hopefully the club will make an in depth statement soon,
Plans and drawings will be available for viewing at tomorrows NTFC Trust Open Forum.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on October 16, 2013, 21:49:20 pm
Plans and drawings will be available for viewing at tomorrows NTFC Trust Open Forum.
It wouldnt surprise me if theyre also in tomorrows Chron.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 16, 2013, 21:53:15 pm
Go into the spec in the planning application. On the drawings for the stands at the front aspect has a figure for the seating plan. All the other stands are as they are currently. The east stand and my figures add up. Whatever whatever....
 If the planning application is wrong then it's all f ucked up .

 I'm still pleased.

Shoemaker. C'mon have a go. Add some negative sh it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on October 16, 2013, 22:27:59 pm
It is a a case of flickinh through the plans.

On the ground floor there looks to be some kind of function room - 385m2 which is just over 4,000 ft2 so like a larger small supermarket like a Tesco Express etc.

It looks like there is a large amount of space on the first floor - not sure where the plans are for this?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on October 16, 2013, 22:52:27 pm
The key plan is 3909490 this shows the first floor which has a 500 seater + function room.  Clearly this is where the plan is to make the commercial streams.

Looks like each tier gets its own concourse as well.

Plan 3909496

There are 10 boxes plus a very large directors box - I wonder in reality if this will be like a lot of new stands with a function room overlooking the pitch - Rotherham have done something like this. 

In effect they have added 10 rows of "normal" seats.   The 10 boxes hold 24 each (seems quite large).  The directors box holds 80.
As pointed out already the totals are not correct as the boxes say 2 x 24 = 44!



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on October 17, 2013, 07:19:26 am
http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/redevelopment-pics-1116733.aspx

Now it's getting real....Bring on the diggers. :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 17, 2013, 09:05:12 am
Looks good...all complete by August 2014?
Will the executive boxes have reactalight windows?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on October 17, 2013, 09:07:09 am
Looks good...all complete by August 2014?
Will the executive boxes have reactalight windows?

Given what we've seen on the pitch recently, will they even have windows?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 17, 2013, 09:11:59 am
Given what we've seen on the pitch recently, will they even have windows?

Probably need black out curtains to shield the patrons from the pitch....  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on October 17, 2013, 09:17:40 am
Released just before the supporter's forum  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: brickowski on October 17, 2013, 11:12:09 am
supporter's

hopefully there will be more than just one there!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on October 17, 2013, 11:38:40 am
(http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/webimage/1.5592454.1381952930!/image/2277820792.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/2277820792.jpg)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on October 17, 2013, 12:07:22 pm
The garden shed at each end will look even worse now, but this looks good!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on October 17, 2013, 12:15:45 pm
The garden shed at each end will look even worse now, but this looks good!

Garden shed is better than Oxford's garden fence!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on October 17, 2013, 12:43:57 pm
Maybe they could use a bit of the windfall to build a 3000 safe standing terrace behind the North stand, that would complete the ground off nicely, in preparation of our assault on the championship.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Adam-NTFC on October 17, 2013, 13:27:01 pm
Just a thought...

We usually give extra seating for some teams in the east stand, what's the situation going to be now? Surely we wouldn't sit away fans in the best stand in the ground. It could be hard to sit them in the West with the concourse being there, security issues. Does this mean that we could only allocate what's in the South stand and never give any more away?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 17, 2013, 13:33:38 pm
Just a thought...

We usually give extra seating for some teams in the east stand, what's the situation going to be now? Surely we wouldn't sit away fans in the best stand in the ground. It could be hard to sit them in the West with the concourse being there, security issues. Does this mean that we could only allocate what's in the South stand and never give any more away?

The East is having a concourse too isn't it? So the same problem would now arise there...unless there was something like a roller shutter built in to partition off part of the concourse. I haven't been able to open the plans to look at them but the directors box is moving to the East so does that mean the end of the comfy seats in the west or will they be available to the minions now? Also, is the press box staying in the West? I thought there was talk of "improving" the West as part of this development.....it just seems like only the East is being done, therefore improvement to the other three stands will be a long way off.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Wolvo on October 17, 2013, 13:46:23 pm
Maybe they could use a bit of the windfall to build a 3000 safe standing terrace behind the North stand, that would complete the ground off nicely, in preparation of our assault on the championship.


Move the home end to the south stand (the hotel end), and make that the terracing  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on October 17, 2013, 15:07:01 pm
Move the home end to the south stand (the hotel end), and make that the terracing  :P

 ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on October 17, 2013, 15:12:10 pm
Looks like they have photo shopped the West stand. Looks good though and hopefully the beginning of a brighter future on and off the pitch.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 17, 2013, 15:29:37 pm
It only goes 2/3rds of the length with a new score board and a bowling club behind it?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on October 17, 2013, 16:52:29 pm
Dunno if it has been mentioned but the West stand is going to refurbished with a new fascia, Carr's Bar and changing rooms enlarged, new box office and shop, staff + player canteen, new seats...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: MK_Cobbler on October 17, 2013, 17:07:47 pm
(http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/webimage/1.5592454.1381952930!/image/2277820792.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/2277820792.jpg)

Looks pretty bog standard.

Would prefer to have the boxes centred, but hey what do I know....  ;)

 :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on October 17, 2013, 17:11:11 pm
Looks pretty bog standard.

I am only a member of RIBA.

 :P

As opposed to the stand being designed by a kid with crayons?  :P
Explains a lot. Architects and accountants.......


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 17, 2013, 17:25:52 pm
Maybe there should be a row of additional floodlights along the roof edge. The picture shows big pa speakers. This is so we can hear crap music and blabbering drivel more clearly without added tinnitus!

 I may relocate. Who's with me?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Rodney on October 17, 2013, 18:15:10 pm
Report on BBC website says that the new stand will hold 2000, instead of the current 1,700. So how does that increase capacity to 10,000?!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 17, 2013, 18:33:21 pm
You can get 1500 in the function room...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on October 17, 2013, 19:17:56 pm
Report on BBC website says that the new stand will hold 2000, instead of the current 1,700. So how does that increase capacity to 10,000?!

That was just the confusing bit with how the initial plan was worded. It is actually +2000 on top of the current capacity, plus a couple of hundred in the private boxes. Probably capacity will be around the 10,059 mark.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Popeye Doyle on October 17, 2013, 19:43:49 pm
(http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/webimage/1.5592454.1381952930!/image/2277820792.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/2277820792.jpg)

Typical, you build a new stand and no-one turns up. Maybe it's because it's a nice sunny day and everyone's at the seaside. Be dark by the time they all get home.  :-[


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Wolvo on October 17, 2013, 20:21:38 pm
Its actually an exact drawing of a Coventry game.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on October 17, 2013, 20:49:49 pm
Its actually an exact drawing of a Coventry game.
;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on October 17, 2013, 21:08:18 pm
Maybe they could use a bit of the windfall to build a 3000 safe standing terrace behind the North stand, that would complete the ground off nicely, in preparation of our assault on the championship.

Don't you mean the Conference??  ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: CobblerForever on October 17, 2013, 21:09:13 pm
Move the home end to the south stand (the hotel end), and make that the terracing  :P

Wouldn't that be looking straight into the sun at times ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on October 17, 2013, 21:16:23 pm
Wouldn't that be looking straight into the sun at times ?
As it faces north, no, never.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on October 17, 2013, 23:59:47 pm
Time to slag me off ladies and gents.

What a boring and uninspiring design that is. I guess I should have seen that coming with my old buddy Mr Cardoza in charge and what I've grown used to when it comes to anything NTFC, uninspiring.

As you were.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on October 18, 2013, 05:21:42 am
I've just seen the details of the development and it offers the football and commercial community quality facilities equating to a Championship sized club. It is pleasing to see the upgrade of the west stand included as well.
Very well done to Mr Cardoza in overcoming all his off-field battles to get to this stage. I look forward to seeing the results in less than 12 months.
Now let's get the first team players fit and scoring goals so we start climbing the league (s)!!!!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: pattcobb on October 18, 2013, 06:05:57 am
Time to slag me off ladies and gents.

What a boring and uninspiring design that is. I guess I should have seen that coming with my old buddy Mr Cardoza in charge and what I've grown used to when it comes to anything NTFC, uninspiring.

As you were.
Agreed


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: pattcobb on October 18, 2013, 06:06:42 am
I've just seen the details of the development and it offers the football and commercial community quality facilities equating to a Championship sized club. It is pleasing to see the upgrade of the west stand included as well.
Very well done to Mr Cardoza in overcoming all his off-field battles to get to this stage. I look forward to seeing the results in less than 12 months.
Now let's get the first team players fit and scoring goals so we start climbing the league (s)!!!!!
But also agreed!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on October 18, 2013, 07:50:38 am
What would have you liked? Is there a stand at another club that would have been a good example. Bit late now but curious.
Not having a go at all as good design shouldn't necessarily equate to higher costs. Or does it? The architects amongst us could possibly advise?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: MKMal on October 18, 2013, 08:52:05 am
Everyone who comes on this site should have a look at the presentation to the Chamber of Commerce that is presently running on the official site. It explains a lot about the club and how the new facilities are going to be used both on and off matchdays.

If it all comes off I think it will be a major step forward for the club and maybe, just maybe, make some of the cynics on here have to find something else to moan about.  :-*


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on October 18, 2013, 09:03:17 am
I think it makes the ground look pretty decent and with the most important part, the 365 days a year commercial buildings in place, it certainly looks like the spring board we've been waiting for.
Well done those concerned in getting it this far.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on October 18, 2013, 09:44:20 am
Everyone who comes on this site should have a look at the presentation to the Chamber of Commerce that is presently running on the official site. It explains a lot about the club and how the new facilities are going to be used both on and off matchdays.

If it all comes off I think it will be a major step forward for the club and maybe, just maybe, make some of the cynics oon here have to find something else to moan about.  :-*

And they will.....


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on October 18, 2013, 10:23:57 am
Does this mean we are going to lose the mural of the fingers?  >:D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Gen.Disorda on October 18, 2013, 10:45:33 am
And they will.....

The town has a high proportion of morons so the club will always suffer because of that.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on October 18, 2013, 13:15:34 pm
And they will.....

And like you have for the last few weeks banana. Glass houses and all that.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on October 18, 2013, 17:10:35 pm
And like you have for the last few weeks banana. Glass houses and all that.

Me ... a cynic.
Quote me..... lol.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on October 18, 2013, 20:14:02 pm
Me ... a cynic.
Quote me..... lol.


If only I was that sad.  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Coolcat on October 18, 2013, 23:11:28 pm
Everyone who comes on this site should have a look at the presentation to the Chamber of Commerce that is presently running on the official site. It explains a lot about the club and how the new facilities are going to be used both on and off matchdays.

If it all comes off I think it will be a major step forward for the club and maybe, just maybe, make some of the cynics on here have to find something else to moan about.  :-*

Surely Richard III's head is a bigger draw?  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Insider on October 19, 2013, 04:04:06 am
When the work is complete, the ground will be a bit odd.  Firstly, all the corporate facilities will be on the east side of the stadium which is undoubtedly the worst side to spectate from because it's right in the sune when it's shining and very open to the westerly elements on a wet and windy day - hardly the obvious side to have the highest paying spectators seated.  I know some will counter that there will be boxes for them to sit inside, but I much prefer to sit outside a corporate box any day.  Secondly, all that corporate and hospitality gubbins will be on the opposite side of the ground from the players and player facilities (there doesn't appear to be a tunnel in the new East Stand.  I can't think of many grounds where the two are on opposite sides of the pitch; surely the corporates and their guests will want to mingle with players after a game?  It looks a bit odd to me.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on October 19, 2013, 06:35:53 am
Odd but only a minor problem in the bigger picture!
Just build the bl**dy thing.
Well done to DC for being the person who has walked the walk.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Luton Cobbler on October 19, 2013, 08:36:57 am
Too many people seem to be missing the point here. The rebuilding of the East Stand is primarily to create additional sources of revenue throughout the year. Whilst it will add approx. 2500 extra seats we all know that in the short term they are unlikely to be used. The main focus was always going to be the Executive boxes and the facilities away from pitchside. What did people expect?

In respect of the boxes being on the opposite side to the Tunnel and players - Wycombe, Torquay, Leyton Orient, P*sh, Fulham, Forest, Watford, Luton. All of these spring readily to mind


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: brickowski on October 19, 2013, 08:40:00 am
Someone asked about the sun issue at a recent forum and DC said they're putting a big roof on it. As someone who has sponsored games regularly I can tell you the players don't hang around after a game. Quite often if you blink you miss them!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on October 19, 2013, 12:16:35 pm
I can recall one occasion when Johnson led the players out from the East Stand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on October 19, 2013, 12:29:28 pm
I can recall one occasion when Johnson led the players out from the East Stand.
Yes , they had all been on the naughty step in there. :D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on October 19, 2013, 14:03:23 pm
I can recall one occasion when Johnson led the players out from the East Stand.

This was the final confirmation that he had lost the plot and was really clutching at straws. AB should try the coming out of the club shop corner.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on October 21, 2013, 13:54:03 pm
Given what we've seen on the pitch recently, will they even have windows?

Yes there will be windows. Apparenty they will be facing towards town and the people in the box's will get a free pair of Binocluars so they can watch the Saints.

The front will look like there's windows, but the will be angled such that they can blind the opposition goalie should the sun shine and /or be able to melt a few of the away fans in the south stand.  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on October 21, 2013, 14:55:06 pm
It might be a bit controversial but there is a chance that the new 'facilities' won't be getting a lot of use until the hotel is built. We may get a bit of extra income on match days but can't imagine there will be a bit queue of big corporates waiting to snap up boxes. Outside of match days virtually every conference facility comes with accommodation. Maybe if they are a decent price our best bet (on match days) may be some small local customers or maybe ST syndicates.
Without looking it up what is the latest completion date for the hotel?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on October 21, 2013, 16:22:04 pm
It might be a bit controversial but there is a chance that the new 'facilities' won't be getting a lot of use until the hotel is built. We may get a bit of extra income on match days but can't imagine there will be a bit queue of big corporates waiting to snap up boxes. Outside of match days virtually every conference facility comes with accommodation. Maybe if they are a decent price our best bet (on match days) may be some small local customers or maybe ST syndicates.
Without looking it up what is the latest completion date for the hotel?

I think the point that there'll be more use of the conference facilities once the hotel is built is a sound one, but I know a bit about the business at Colchester's new ground where there is no hotel, in a town smaller than Northampton. They can and regularly do seat 1000 people for a "business breakfast" event and the profit from this can be greater than from a Tuesday night game where the crowd is pushing down now to 2000 in League One, in what is a horrible breeze block and corrugated plastic, out of town ground that hardly anyone can walk to, unlike the old Layer Road.

The income that can be generated from this kind of conference activity shouldn't be under-estimated: the football ground is actually a very nice conference centre with a cheap and nasty football ground tacked on the side to secure the planning permission. Be careful what you wish for!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on October 21, 2013, 18:02:23 pm
I think the point that there'll be more use of the conference facilities once the hotel is built is a sound one, but I know a bit about the business at Colchester's new ground where there is no hotel, in a town smaller than Northampton. They can and regularly do seat 1000 people for a "business breakfast" event and the profit from this can be greater than from a Tuesday night game where the crowd is pushing down now to 2000 in League One, in what is a horrible breeze block and corrugated plastic, out of town ground that hardly anyone can walk to, unlike the old Layer Road.

The income that can be generated from this kind of conference activity shouldn't be under-estimated: the football ground is actually a very nice conference centre with a cheap and nasty football ground tacked on the side to secure the planning permission. Be careful what you wish for!

Fair enough. I've been using and booking venues for 20 years but wouldn't consider one without accommodation. There is tons of competition in Northamptonshire too. Having said that any income is better than what we get from the current ground. I hope we do a good job of it. Highgate house, Staverton, Grange Park, Brackmills all good venues that regularly so deals for big businesses. Competition is healthy though to stay ahead of the game.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 21, 2013, 18:54:35 pm
To be honest, I think its an easy winner. If they 'sell it right' then businesses will use it. Offering them 'freebies' etc as part of a package = no brainer. And yeah, once the hotel is there it will be even more profitable.

Are they looking at hitting the wedding market as well? There are literally hardly any decent size wedding venues in the area, certainly not unless you've got mega money. The profit margin in holding weddings is astronomical! Rushden and Diamonds used to do well with weddings and that tells you all you need to know!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 21, 2013, 19:22:25 pm
Have I missed the point here? The hotel is being built for Hilton (?) who will then pay rent to the Cobblers?

The Hilton at Collingtree has its own conference facilities and meeting rooms.....if the Hilton Sixfields has the same won't that in fact put then in direct competition with the Cobblers? Being as Hilton don't normally do budget hotels in the Premier Inn/Ibis mode and being as the budget and build price for the hotel is so high I'm assuming they'll have some facilities of their own?
So how much "co-operation" as proposed in the above posts will happen in this scenario??


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 21, 2013, 19:33:23 pm
maybe collingtree is always running at maximum capacity so they would like another site


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on October 21, 2013, 20:36:22 pm
I suspect if this is a Hilton - it could be a DoubleTree which they have at Framchise World.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 21, 2013, 20:41:31 pm
how do you even know that


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 21, 2013, 20:41:52 pm
sorry.

meant to say

why would you even know that


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Lappo on October 21, 2013, 20:56:40 pm
If it is going to be a Hilton it might be a Hampton by Hilton which is their budget chain. We have one near us in Corby.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 21, 2013, 21:07:58 pm
To be honest, I think its an easy winner. If they 'sell it right' then businesses will use it. Offering them 'freebies' etc as part of a package = no brainer. And yeah, once the hotel is there it will be even more profitable.

Are they looking at hitting the wedding market as well? There are literally hardly any decent size wedding venues in the area, certainly not unless you've got mega money. The profit margin in holding weddings is astronomical! Rushden and Diamonds used to do well with weddings and that tells you all you need to know!

So long as they don't want it on a matchday Saturday afternoon?
They wouldn't be able to book before the season's fixture list comes out?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on October 21, 2013, 21:16:58 pm
If it is going to be a Hilton it might be a Hampton by Hilton which is their budget chain. We have one near us in Corby.
If it is going to be a Hilton it might be a Hampton by Hilton which is their budget chain. We have one near us in Corby.

There is one of those at Luton Airport. Surely Northampton is more classy than that.





Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 21, 2013, 21:19:42 pm
So long as they don't want it on a matchday Saturday afternoon?
They wouldn't be able to book before the season's fixture list comes out?

DC might be kicking Coventry out fairly soon then?!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: MKMal on October 22, 2013, 07:41:59 am
I am sure in the presentation on the official website by the Commercial Manager to the Chamber of Commerce breakfast meeting that he says that part of the deal for the hotel is that they don't have Conference facilities and will use the new East stand with a link building. It will also have the largest room facility in the region (over 1000 sq. ft.) which can be divided up into three.

Maybe we should all have a look at that before speculating and rumour spreading.

http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/redevelop-presentation-1117826.aspx

(sorry don't know how to make it into a link)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Wolvo on October 22, 2013, 19:38:54 pm
Surely Northampton is more classy than that.


Really?  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on November 05, 2013, 19:18:50 pm
Wouldn't it be prudent to invest money into the playing squad rather than worry about the redevelopment.

When the executive boxes are ready we could be welcoming alfreton.
I'm sure local businesses will rather have boxes to see the saints,Coventry or mk dons before offering their clients the chance to watch some non league fare.

Stick this redevelopment on the back burner.
It will fall flat on its arse if we are relegated out of the football league.
If we can't afford to put a decent team on the pitch we shouldn't be getting grants to build a bigger stadium that will never be more than hall full.

Incoming.......


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 05, 2013, 19:29:26 pm
is this another wind up or are you genuinely thick?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on November 05, 2013, 19:51:44 pm
You clearly are a wind up merchant. Trouble is I don't think you realise it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on November 05, 2013, 19:57:18 pm
The fact that housing and a hotel means we can have a bigger stadium will count for nothing if we are relegated.

Extra revenue streams from executive boxes will not be filled by companies eager to watch alfreton town.
So that's a red herring.
Come back and tell me we will fill the stadium when we are no longer a football league club.
We can't fill the one we have got.
You might have a few houses built.
You might have some rooms booked in the hotel.

You will have crowds of around the 3000 mark watching the cobblers play the likes of alfreton.
How exactly will companies invest to watch non league football at the cobblers when they can watch top level rugby down the road.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 05, 2013, 20:00:21 pm
Confirmed: Genuinely thick...  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 05, 2013, 20:07:56 pm
The fact that housing and a hotel means we can have a bigger stadium will count for nothing if we are relegated.

Extra revenue streams from executive boxes will not be filled by companies eager to watch alfreton town.
So that's a red herring.
Come back and tell me we will fill the stadium when we are no longer a football league club.
We can't fill the one we have got.
You might have a few houses built.
You might have some rooms booked in the hotel.

You will have crowds of around the 3000 mark watching the cobblers play the likes of alfreton.
How exactly will companies invest to watch non league football at the cobblers when they can watch top level rugby down the road.


big conference rooms will still get used on a wednesday whether we're playing kettering or not spacker boy


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on November 05, 2013, 20:08:33 pm
is this another wind up or are you genuinely thick?

 ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on November 05, 2013, 20:10:02 pm
Let's agree to disagree then.

But come this time next year when the cobblers will be playing alfreton on a wet Tuesday night in a crowd hardly touching 3000 please feel free to come back and tell me all about the positives the housing and the hotel have had on the club.
Please regale me at halftime on the subject of revenue streams whilst we can contemplate a Tuesday night trip to Gateshead.

The talk of revenue streams,housing estates and hotels will warm the cockles of my heart on the long journey home.

As for being thick I think you will find that I predicted this whole mess pre season and decided not to renew my season ticket because of my feelings(which of course is my right as much as it is yours to attend).
No much more knowledgable people knocked my negativity and shouted me down when I discussed budget cuts,free transfers deemed not good enough for league two rivals,yet again relying on cheap youth loans.
Well I'm happy to be thick and the happy clappers can be happy with what I predicted.
A poor quality team of freebies and loans out of two cups first round,bottom of the whole football league and s***ting themselves about the prospect of embarrassing themselves on national telly at the hands of the footballing galacticos of bishops stortford.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on November 05, 2013, 20:12:16 pm
You clearly are a wind up merchant. Trouble is I don't think you realise it.

He's not alone though is he  ;D - there are two others at it full time :-X


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on November 05, 2013, 20:14:38 pm
You clearly are a wind up merchant. Trouble is I don't think you realise it.

...or maybe he's actually quite good at it...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on November 05, 2013, 20:15:59 pm
Let's agree to disagree then.

But come this time next year when the cobblers will be playing alfreton on a wet Tuesday night in a crowd hardly touching 3000 please feel free to come back and tell me all about the positives the housing and the hotel have had on the club.
Please regale me at halftime on the subject of revenue streams whilst we can contemplate a Tuesday night trip to Gateshead.

The talk of revenue streams,housing estates and hotels will warm the ****les of my heart on the long journey home.

As for being thick I think you will find that I predicted this whole mess pre season and decided not to renew my season ticket because of my feelings(which of course is my right as much as it is yours to attend).
No much more knowledgable people knocked my negativity and shouted me down when I discussed budget cuts,free transfers deemed not good enough for league two rivals,yet again relying on cheap youth loans.
Well I'm happy to be thick and the happy clappers can be happy with what I predicted.
A poor quality team of freebies and loans out of two cups first round,bottom of the whole football league and ****ting themselves about the prospect of embarrassing themselves on national telly at the hands of the footballing galacticos of bishops stortford.


Shoey - your unintentionally winding yourself up - I think :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on November 05, 2013, 20:24:44 pm
Those are just my opinions and I don't mind that others may disagree.
That is debate which keeps forums lively.
I dont always agree with others on here but I never abuse them for having a differing opinion and often acknowledge people when they are right.
That's because I am not bigoted or up my own arse.

However seems as I had seen this scenario as far back as June and the lack of any quality additions,joke signings to bolster the squad(you know the ones from non league clubs whose names I can't remember as they never play).
The two bob foreign training camp which would help us hit the ground running.
The ripping out of the whole spine and experience of the team to be replaced by players deemed not worth keeping by our league two rivals(none of whom are currently below us in the table).
I said it all,that I thought hell of a lot was wrong and the happy clappers put on their claret tinted specs and gave me personal abuse.
Now have a look back see exactly what I said has not come to pass and see if any one of you whether you like me or not has it in you to at least realise and acknowledge that on this occasion I was spot on.
Anyone......


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: nn2cobbler on November 05, 2013, 20:32:04 pm
The chairman is fully aware that league status is imperative and the financial implications of relegation to the Skrill.

Rest assured he won't allow it to happen, if you don't believe me hear it from the horse's mouth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qDh8m1-QSM&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on November 05, 2013, 20:33:48 pm
Those are just my opinions and I don't mind that others may disagree.
That is debate which keeps forums lively.
I dont always agree with others on here but I never abuse them for having a differing opinion and often acknowledge people when they are right.
That's because I am not bigoted or up my own arse.

However seems as I had seen this scenario as far back as June and the lack of any quality additions,joke signings to bolster the squad(you know the ones from non league clubs whose names I can't remember as they never play).
The two bob foreign training camp which would help us hit the ground running.
The ripping out of the whole spine and experience of the team to be replaced by players deemed not worth keeping by our league two rivals(none of whom are currently below us in the table).
I said it all,that I thought hell of a lot was wrong and the happy clappers put on their claret tinted specs and gave me personal abuse.
Now have a look back see exactly what I said has not come to pass and see if any one of you whether you like me or not has it in you to at least realise and acknowledge that on this occasion I was spot on.
Anyone......

Shoey some of the above is not factually correct; for a start you omitted the injury list and some of the signings will probably go at Xmas.
Just remember that hindsight is not always a reliable friend.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on November 05, 2013, 20:49:48 pm
I thought everyone had got the message that we have a top 7 budget , the problem is not the amount of money it's what Aidy has spent it on. The playing budget has got absolutely nothing to do with the re-developement , the council loan is to build on the stadium ,which they own , not a loan to NTFC to do what they want with.The loan will be paid back by developing the surrounding areas ,at a profit and that profit will re pay the loan !


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on November 05, 2013, 20:49:58 pm
I agree everbrite they have had injuries to a couple of key players but my points still stand.
As far back as the shambles of a pre season tour I could see this coming and posted my concerns.
I was derided for my negativity but in fairness it was totally justified.
That doesn't make me any better than anyone on this forum but maybe on occasion I am maybe a bit mor perceptive than others.
Don't think spotting this a mile off makes me happy it doesn't it pisses me right of the whole avoidable situation.

Actually strangely for a bloke whose followed the team for quater of a century or more it does make me happy that I didn't buy a season ticket as it would break my heart to be there watching this seasons demise.
Seriously I'd either be in tears or so bloody angry that I'd say or do something such is my despair/anger that I'd probably be barred from attending,so I'm happy to be at home rather than at sixfields.
I must acknowledge though the tremendous support of the away fans who must have tremendous fortitude/no feelings left who trapse up and down the country to almost certain defeat leading to depressing journeys back to Northampton.
Il be the first to admit I couldn't stomach that so you those supporters are a credit to your team and have my wholehearted sympathy/respect.
You deserve SO much better and I hope somehow you get it.

Up(there's no other way) the tayn.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on November 05, 2013, 21:08:55 pm
Anyway as regards the stadium as we go back on topic.
I am still of the opinion that the only way it will ever be filled is if we get to the championship(which was in case anyone has forgot the blueprint for success).
Regardless of any disagreements about funding a bigger stadium will just look two bob if it's one third full.
It wil also be pathetic if it ends up hosting non league football.
If that happens the general public of the country at large will wonder why exactly we expanded it when the club was going down the tubes.
That's the impression others will get and it's not good.
Whichever way you look at it the boards blueprint for championship football for Northampton in five years has proved false at best,downright laughable at the minute.
My one hope for the future of ntfc is that DC realises in time that action must be taken or he has invested in a project that at best will be holed beneath the waterline.
I'm sure we'd all agree that being relegated,losing youth team funding,losing a place in the league cup,playing in the fa vase,qualifying for the chance to play in the fa cup and a dramatic loss of match day revenue is a scenario worth avoiding at all costs.
The stadium redevelopment is much more stable long term if we remain IN the football league.
Having seen the DC video it gives me a little hope as long as things actually materialise.
It does beg the question though...now that DC is going to have to invest serious money to keep us in the football league...
Why did he decide to cut the budget in the light of an unexpected cash injection via wembley.
It's a decision that unfortunately for DC has proved disasterous and has come back and bitten him on the bum.
It is a decision that I will never understand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: pattcobb on November 05, 2013, 21:15:28 pm
Well proof was in the pudding at Nene Park. The Diamond Centre ended up being a rod on the back of two clubs. Aren't conference centres just a little dated? Web meetings, video conferencing etc.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on November 05, 2013, 21:24:48 pm
Shoey,
The playing budget, and redevelopment budget are two totally different things.
The stadium expansion is funded by redeveloping surrounding land.
The value of said land remains the same regardless of what division we are in.
The expansion of the stadium means revenue coming in on non match days.
On non match days it does not matter how many empty seats there are.
I have written this in "bulletpoint" Shoey style to help you understand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on November 05, 2013, 22:02:03 pm
The Saints have announced their development which is very similar to our own, they will build a stand with 2000 seats. 12 exec boxes, restaurant, bars etc.

They not only have to build a whole new stand but demolished all the old stand, where we only have to build a structure behind an existing stand.

The other difference is the cost of both projects, despite having to carry out a lot more work at the Saints stadium, its costing 5.5 million compared to our £12,000,000.

Probably with a little tweaking of the figures, we could build up behind one of the goals, bit of an atmosphere inducing safe standing terracing, it would give us a quality stadium, best one out there.

This is our one and only opportunity to get it right.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on November 05, 2013, 22:11:16 pm
They not only have to build a whole new stand but demolished all the old stand, where we only have to build a structure behind an existing stand.
This looks like a whole new stand to me.  :D

(http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/webimage/1.5592454.1381952930!/image/2277820792.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/2277820792.jpg)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on November 05, 2013, 22:16:55 pm
This looks like a whole new stand to me.  :D

(http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/webimage/1.5592454.1381952930!/image/2277820792.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/2277820792.jpg)
bottom bit looks familiar


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: nn2cobbler on November 05, 2013, 22:24:49 pm
South beds - out of the £12m £4.5m is being spent on the hotel and £7.5m on the new east stand and west stand refurbishments.

Here is another clip from the man himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2le6uMDwY&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Winslow Lee on November 05, 2013, 22:27:54 pm

Why did he decide to cut the budget in the light of an unexpected cash injection via wembley.
It's a decision that unfortunately for DC has proved disasterous and has come back and bitten him on the bum. It is a decision that I will never understand.

Well despite the wembley money we still made a loss last year. The budget cuts would have made to reduce the size of these losses.
As DC has said this season the club has the 9th highest attendances and the 11th highest income. The redevelopment will help to address this but I don't think it will ever have the impact some supporters think it will. We are what we are which is the ninth biggest team in the division.
That said we still had a top 7 budget despite only generating the 11th highest income, I not really sure what more you can realistically expect from a chairman.
I'm also not convinced  the decision to cut the budget is that relevant to the position we are in now. Since the start of the season we have brought in 2 experienced defenders and 4 loan players, AB has given resources way beyond our top 7 budget to address the problems and still we look awful. AB has shown a shocking judgement in the players retained and players brought in, a manager who believed a dream strike partnership is Platt/O'Donovan.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: nn2cobbler on November 05, 2013, 22:42:47 pm
It has also been documented that after expenses and costs were taken into account the club made very little money out of the Wembley appearance. It was certainly not a large cash injection. In fact we will probably get more income from renting the ground to Coventry this season that we did out of getting to Wembley.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on November 06, 2013, 07:39:42 am
Yeah but when you ask the bank for a loan to pay off your debts you always put down the reason behind it is for something tangible like a house entension. What's the difference?  ;D let's spend the fcuker on some decent players instead, then we can sell em for a profit and build a much bigger ground!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on November 06, 2013, 09:40:23 am
Yeah but when you ask the bank for a loan to pay off your debts you always put down the reason behind it is for something tangible like a house entension. What's the difference?  ;D let's spend the fcuker on some decent players instead, then we can sell em for a profit and build a much bigger ground!

Yeah but you wouldn't want the current guy having 12 mill in his back pocket. Platt would probably get a 5 year deal on 50k a week.  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on November 06, 2013, 09:45:19 am
Yeah but you wouldn't want the current guy having 12 mill in his back pocket. Platt would probably get a 5 year deal on 50k a week.  :P
;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tuks on November 06, 2013, 10:58:36 am
Someone seems to be strangely attracted to Alfreton Town !!!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 06, 2013, 11:54:42 am
Someone seems to be strangely attracted to Alfreton Town !!!!


That was as far down the alphabetical list he got before he couldn't read anymore...  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on November 06, 2013, 12:36:06 pm
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NaggerPagger on November 06, 2013, 17:24:59 pm
The Saints have announced their development

The other difference is the cost of both projects, despite having to carry out a lot more work at the Saints stadium, its costing 5.5 million compared to our £12,000,000.

Probably with a little tweaking of the figures, we could build up behind one of the goals, bit of an atmosphere inducing safe standing terracing, it would give us a quality stadium, best one out there.

This is our one and only opportunity to get it right.

I think if you look into the detail the 12 million budget is not all down to building the stand and a very large percentage of it is going towards the hotel. The figures have been published somewhere but I couldnt be bothered to look them up.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: nn2cobbler on November 06, 2013, 23:24:27 pm
I think if you look into the detail the 12 million budget is not all down to building the stand and a very large percentage of it is going towards the hotel. The figures have been published somewhere but I couldnt be bothered to look them up.



I could be bothered to look it up Nagger haha and posted it above on the thread!!! Here are the latest figures made available by Mr Cardoza:

South beds - out of the £12m £4.5m is being spent on the hotel and £7.5m on the new east stand and west stand refurbishments.

Here is another clip from the man himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2le6uMDwY&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on November 07, 2013, 07:37:57 am
How do you build 300 houses and some shops with those figures or are there further finances?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on November 07, 2013, 08:16:04 am
How do you build 300 houses and some shops with those figures or are there further finances?

The builder company will finance building the housing development. It'll be the same as any other estate these days I would imagine, with a mix of social housing. Without getting into too controversial an area, it hasn't done Upton any favours over the road.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on November 07, 2013, 18:39:28 pm
The builder company will finance building the housing development. It'll be the same as any other estate these days I would imagine, with a mix of social housing. Without getting into too controversial an area, it hasn't done Upton any favours over the road.
You needn't worry about that sort on here, as its message board policy to forbid anyone to have at one time, presently or aspires to live in  social housing.  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 07, 2013, 18:53:10 pm
The builder company will finance building the housing development. It'll be the same as any other estate these days I would imagine, with a mix of social housing. Without getting into too controversial an area, it hasn't done Upton any favours over the road.
It's the law, gotta be a certain % of 'affordable' housing on any new site. Which I suppose means the rest is unaffordable.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on November 07, 2013, 19:26:16 pm
You needn't worry about that sort on here, as its message board policy to forbid anyone to have at one time, presently or aspires to live in  social housing.  ;D

 ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on November 07, 2013, 19:42:56 pm
It's the law, gotta be a certain % of 'affordable' housing on any new site. Which I suppose means the rest is unaffordable.
Sometimes a contribution towards affordable housing and infrastructure can be made rather than a mixed tenure. Given that its ultimately council land it should include that combination of mixed tenures within the 300 properties. Posh it up all you like but its a development next to a football ground built on a tip with methane vents and a siren.
 Still it's progress. Whatever happened to the pitches over the road in Upton?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on November 07, 2013, 22:01:23 pm
The builder company will finance building the housing development. It'll be the same as any other estate these days I would imagine, with a mix of social housing. Without getting into too controversial an area, it hasn't done Upton any favours over the road.

As a resident of Upton I do wonder sometimes where this nonsense comes from. I've lived all of the town and its easily the nicest area I've lived in.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on November 07, 2013, 22:11:17 pm
As a resident of Upton I do wonder sometimes where this nonsense comes from. I've lived all of the town and its easily the nicest area I've lived in.
Absolutely love those town houses you see approaching Sixfields, they look like old Georgian types that's been there for 90 years.
All new houses should look like these.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on November 07, 2013, 22:12:38 pm
As a resident of Upton I do wonder sometimes where this nonsense comes from. I've lived all of the town and its easily the nicest area I've lived in.

http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/northamptonshire-mp-s-concern-over-anti-social-behaviour-on-prince-s-estate-1-3588012 (http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/northamptonshire-mp-s-concern-over-anti-social-behaviour-on-prince-s-estate-1-3588012)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on November 07, 2013, 22:51:29 pm
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/northamptonshire-mp-s-concern-over-anti-social-behaviour-on-prince-s-estate-1-3588012 (http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/northamptonshire-mp-s-concern-over-anti-social-behaviour-on-prince-s-estate-1-3588012)

This was off the back of an isolated neighbour dispute which was resolved before I even moved here. I can't recall even seen anyone dropping litter let alone antisocial behaviour. Don't take my word for it though, I only live there. What would I know?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on November 07, 2013, 23:01:32 pm
This was off the back of an isolated neighbour dispute which was resolved before I even moved here. I can't recall even seen anyone dropping litter let alone antisocial behaviour. Don't take my word for it though, I only live there. What would I know?

I moved from there and took my daughter out of the school due to some extremely unsavoury residents. In fact there were over a dozen families who switched schools (that I know of) in the same year, which was before you would have moved there. I'm pleased that it sounds as though the estate has got its act together. Sbeds is right, there's some lovely houses there and guess you get trouble everywhere.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on November 07, 2013, 23:21:32 pm
I moved from there and took my daughter out of the school due to some extremely unsavoury residents. In fact there were over a dozen families who switched schools (that I know of) in the same year, which was before you would have moved there. I'm pleased that it sounds as though the estate has got its act together. Sbeds is right, there's some lovely houses there and guess you get trouble everywhere.

I don't know if there were issues before I was here but I've not seen any issues in 18mths I've beenin the area. I've moved before myself because of nuisance neighbours so I understand how difficult that can be. I can only talk from my own experience and people I know who live in the area. It's been nothing but a thoroughly pleasant place to live.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on November 08, 2013, 15:33:18 pm
http://purelocation.com/location/crime/27251-Upton-Grange-Northampton-NN5-4 (http://purelocation.com/location/crime/27251-Upton-Grange-Northampton-NN5-4)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on November 08, 2013, 17:30:23 pm
http://purelocation.com/location/crime/27251-Upton-Grange-Northampton-NN5-4 (http://purelocation.com/location/crime/27251-Upton-Grange-Northampton-NN5-4)

If you really are that weasily that you scour the internet to dig up dirt on what is a perfectly fine area now you could at least make sure the information is up to date.

http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Postcode_Sectors/NN5_4/ (http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Postcode_Sectors/NN5_4/)

I have no idea how this compares to a national average, although i'm sure if you wanted to take the time to look this up. Looking at its comparison to the other NN5 areas listed, I won't be worried about stepping outside of my door anytime soon.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Elad on November 08, 2013, 17:42:08 pm
Hardly scouring. Just googled Upton and Crime and that popped up.

To make amends why don't we do a Come Dine With Me. Yourself, me, and a burgler and crack head from down your way  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on November 08, 2013, 17:54:57 pm
Hardly scouring. Just googled Upton and Crime and that popped up.

To make amends why don't we do a Come Dine With Me. Yourself, me, and a burgler and crack head from down your way  ;D

Aww it's a nice offer but I wouldn't want to bring the area down any further  :-*


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on November 08, 2013, 20:57:57 pm
If you really are that weasily that you scour the internet to dig up dirt on what is a perfectly fine area now you could at least make sure the information is up to date.
;D

(http://l.wigflip.com/Em7dYeq6/roflbot.jpg)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on November 08, 2013, 20:59:44 pm
;D

(http://l.wigflip.com/Em7dYeq6/roflbot.jpg)

 ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: teletext on November 20, 2013, 11:08:13 am
And it all moves ever closer

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-25010816



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on November 26, 2013, 20:10:28 pm
The Council Approves the expansion...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on November 26, 2013, 20:14:56 pm
The only problem I see now is putting up with all the miserable fcukers from the east stand moving in...   :D
Anyone in particular?  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on November 26, 2013, 20:25:50 pm
Anyone in particular?  ;D

Oh yes! ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on November 26, 2013, 20:38:56 pm
Oh yes! ;D
(http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/hmmmm.gif)
Not sure, but I would have a guess...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on November 26, 2013, 21:57:49 pm
(http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/hmmmm.gif)
Not sure, but I would have a guess...

And you'd be right ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on November 26, 2013, 22:52:54 pm
Oi , I'm a miserable fcuker from the East stand and I dont want to be tarred with the same brush as any other miserable fcuker from the East stand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on November 27, 2013, 05:30:57 am
WELL DONE MR DAVID CARDOZA!
To achieve this result after being shafted by Cllr Church, Hadland and the 'Slug'! is excellent. Potentially this is a catalyst for a sustained brighter future.
Now for the players to earn their salaries!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on November 27, 2013, 08:41:30 am
Excellent news. I bet Richard Church and a few others are pig-sick about this  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on November 27, 2013, 09:04:58 am
Great news for the future of the club.
DC must be very happy and we should all be happy for him.
Now we have a new stand being built the club is now safe from relegation from the football league.
Phew.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on November 27, 2013, 09:56:30 am
Your more than welcome as long as you don't moan at all about being cast adrift at the foot of the table  ;D
So you want me to move to the "Brite" side of the road ?
Sorry no can do. :D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NaggerPagger on November 27, 2013, 10:01:20 am
Excellent news. I bet Richard Church and a few others are pig-sick about this  ;D

Yes it could have happed years ago if only people had been prepared to pay the required amount to Mr Church in used notes in a brown paper bag.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: eieieio on November 27, 2013, 11:11:27 am
I hear he accepts direct debit these days


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on November 27, 2013, 11:30:34 am
I hear he accepts direct debit these days


He'd probably accept a few tins of baked beans, these days ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on November 27, 2013, 12:09:41 pm
Great news


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on November 27, 2013, 13:15:44 pm
Excellent news. Despite the ludicrous jibes on this forum from so called fans there is nothing negative about this news at all.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on November 27, 2013, 14:45:02 pm
It's great news but it's never been as important as maintaining our league status. That must be preserved no matter what the cost.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblerwatch on November 28, 2013, 18:42:51 pm
Excellent news. I bet Richard Church and a few others are pig-sick about this  ;D

Forgive my ignorance but is Mr Church from the rather fine shoe dynasty or the overprice kitchen pot shop?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on December 26, 2013, 20:16:00 pm
On the bright side, the builders must be due in soon.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on December 27, 2013, 16:50:49 pm
Our current predicament can be heavily blamed on the slow progress on the development front.

It would be nice to have a progress update...assuming there has been progress!

The extra 10 rows of seats and 10 corporate boxes when complete will give  a great boost when competing with fellow lower league clubs.
If we were to have a good start to any season with the development in place, you can easily see an extra 2/3000 joining the ranks of us hardy 4000, the feel good momentum would soon have us playing in the Coca cola championship and not the feckin Skrill version which we currently seem to be levitating towards.

When, yes when we reach the 2nd tier of English football do you think as a club, we have contingency plans in place to allow us to survive and thrive in this very competitive quality loaded  division which is the 5th or 6th top division in Europe in terms of attendance figures and transfer fees paid by the clubs?

If we were to play league games against any of Forest Wolves Qpr Leicester Cov Palace Birmingham Leeds etc, visiting fans would number between 3 and 5000, of which all would need accommodating  so would there be a further expansion plan or would having the ground made ready now be a no brainer as we have the finances in place, finances which have been made available by the tax payer.
We may never get this opportunity again, so as a mere supporter it would be nice to know how the enabling funds are  to be distributed to achieve maximum return for hopefully long term gains.
Which means having a ground fit for purpose.

Hope nobody takes offence to my impertinent questions but these are the FAQ that haven't been asked yet




Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NBCobbler on December 28, 2013, 01:11:23 am
We'll, if we get relegated, just knock the East Stand down and replace it with duckboards.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NTFC Nut on December 28, 2013, 01:29:59 am
the feel good momentum would soon have us playing in the Coca cola championship and not the feckin Skrill version which we currently seem to be levitating towards.

I'm not sure 'levitating' is the correct term  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on December 28, 2013, 09:16:23 am
We'll, if we get relegated, just knock the East Stand down and replace it with duckboards.

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on December 28, 2013, 09:50:35 am
I'm not sure 'levitating' is the correct term  ;D
True, but for the want of a description of a club floating over the trap door playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on December 28, 2013, 09:55:07 am
My smiley things ain't working...testing :) Its making my posts look sinister :D


Title: Redevelopment starting.
Post by: Shoemaker on January 06, 2014, 13:28:55 pm
Either the redevelopment is starting today or we are signing ten vans of blokes from tripod crest ltd ;D
Stadium sorted.
Now for the team.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ajp on January 06, 2014, 14:25:32 pm
Think you'll find its road surfacing outside KFC ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 10, 2014, 00:15:09 am
Final soil testing done yesterday


http://www.northampton-news-hp.co.uk/News/Northampton-News/PICTURE-Final-soil-testing-today-at-Northampton-Town-FCs-Sixfields-stadium-before-building-work-begins-on-redevelopment-20140109121500.htm


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 10, 2014, 14:17:03 pm
That's been going on most of the week, not just yesterday


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on January 10, 2014, 14:21:57 pm
That's been going on most of the week, not just yesterday

But the 'final' soil test was done yesterday.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 10, 2014, 14:24:53 pm
They were testing all over the waste ground last year and then all this week they've been doing the athletics track. If you want to get picky you could say the final day of soil testing but all this week has been the same job. The way it's written is as if they were there just the one day when in fact they've been there most of the week. The point being, this news is olds.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 10, 2014, 14:35:45 pm
They had better not sneak back in to do any more soil testing after this or I may be forced in to getting shoemaker to ask his people in the know (who have their finger on the pulse at the top end of the scale) to jolly well tell us what they think they are doing. Bleeding soil testers, you just can't trust them. ;) 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on January 10, 2014, 15:18:03 pm
They had better not sneak back in to do any more soil testing after this or I may be forced in to getting shoemaker to ask his people in the know (who have their finger on the pulse at the top end of the scale) to jolly well tell us what they think they are doing. Bleeding soil testers, you just can't trust them. ;) 

Don't worry you are in good company - JollyCobbler made a similar out of date comment ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on January 10, 2014, 15:25:35 pm
No news or old news?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 10, 2014, 15:26:22 pm
Don't worry you are in good company - JollyCobbler made a similar out of date comment ;D ;D ;D

Did I? ??? Explain yourself, Superfan(ny). Or is this yet another unfounded accusation on the part of everbrite? :-*


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 10, 2014, 15:27:27 pm
Newspaper article date ....

Published: 09/01/2014 12:15 - Updated: 09/01/2014 12:34

Key word in the newspaper article....

Final


I never thought it would come to this desperate measure but....   ::)



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on January 10, 2014, 16:55:02 pm
Did I? ??? Explain yourself, Superfan(ny). Or is this yet another unfounded accusation on the part of everbrite? :-*

Please wait - your patience , courtesy and goodwill are/is important to us. Can you take another cup of Horlicks whilst I rummage thru' my collection? Happy waiting ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on January 10, 2014, 17:17:26 pm
Breaking News;

Further soil tests to take place tomorrow morning.

You heard it here first.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 10, 2014, 17:25:01 pm
Breaking News;

Further soil tests to take place tomorrow morning.

You heard it here first.


Are we talking about your underkrackers ? ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on January 10, 2014, 17:30:36 pm
Did I? ??? Explain yourself, Superfan(ny). Or is this yet another unfounded accusation on the part of everbrite? :-*

Thank you for your patience in this matter it is appreciated. We/I always appreciate feedback but in this instance you need not bother >:D
In the meantime please refer to the "Bayo Bucket" thread.  Matter now closed - Toodle Pip


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 10, 2014, 17:31:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blP3i_pwW6w   Rip Clint  :'(

Building a house near sea level requires piles!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 10, 2014, 17:42:53 pm
Than you for your patience in this matter it is appreciated. We/I always appreciate feedback but in this instance you need not bother >:D
In the meantime please refer to the "Bayo Bucket" thread.  Matter now closed - Toodle Pip

My opening line from that particular thread "Apologies if this was already posted and I missed it." So you ain't having that one. Besides, just because it was an old article doesn't mean that everyone here had previously read it... after all, it was posted in a **** tory rag ;D

Now SHUT UP! You're not supposed to be bothering me anymore :-* >:D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on January 10, 2014, 17:49:29 pm
My opening line from that particular thread "Apologies if this was already posted and I missed it." So you ain't having that one. Besides, just because it was an old article doesn't mean that everyone here had previously read it... after all, it was posted in a **** tory rag ;D

Now SHUT UP! You're not supposed to be bothering me anymore :-* >:D


 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Ok - you stop badgering me and I'll stop bothering you...........I enjoy it in a light hearted way; your a good bloke so fair do's ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 10, 2014, 18:42:47 pm

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Ok - you stop badgering me and I'll stop bothering you...........I enjoy it in a light hearted way; your a good bloke so fair do's ;D

You're rarely ever about here on a Sunday. Is that because you're out knocking on doors and God-bothering people with readings from everbrite 3:16 >:D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on January 10, 2014, 18:52:51 pm
You're rarely ever about here on a Sunday. Is that because you're out knocking on doors and God-bothering people with readings from everbrite 3:16 >:D

ok 1-0 to you :D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on January 10, 2014, 19:17:13 pm
You two get a room


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 10, 2014, 19:27:10 pm
Was it Miles who tested the soil? I hope so, he might have found a spring whilst he was doing it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 10, 2014, 21:56:48 pm
You two get a room

If you two do get a room can i watch please or even better film  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on January 10, 2014, 22:05:10 pm
If you two do get a room can i watch please or even better film  :P

Behave yourself Mate - what is the point of it. Don't be weird just for the sake of it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 10, 2014, 23:08:36 pm
Behave yourself Mate - what is the point of it. Don't be weird just for the sake of it.

OK dad, sorry. I will be more like you from now on then. 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 11, 2014, 12:07:21 pm
Dad, dad, dad, dad,daddad DAD >:(


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on January 11, 2014, 12:59:42 pm
Dad, dad, dad, dad,daddad DAD >:(

May I ask who is your alter ego as I see that your ISP address is the same  as 2 others on here :o

I know you are a lad but really impersonating others ..........so unlike you Flyers 8)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 11, 2014, 17:40:47 pm
May I ask who is your alter ego as I see that your ISP address is the same  as 2 others on here :o

I know you are a lad but really impersonating others ..........so unlike you Flyers 8)

One answer at a time.

Yes you can.
No body as far as I know, enlighten me!
I am only impersonating you at the moment dad. All you have to do is ask me nicely and I will stop if it is too much for you ;)


Are you alright Tony... seriously  ??? Feel free to PM me if you need to  :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on January 11, 2014, 18:28:18 pm
One answer at a time.

Yes you can.
No body as far as I know, enlighten me!
I am only impersonating you at the moment dad. All you have to do is ask me nicely and I will stop if it is too much for you ;)


Are you alright Tony... seriously  ??? Feel free to PM me if you need to  :)

sorry Mate not available for comment - please try again later. ::)





Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 11, 2014, 20:17:07 pm
sorry Mate

Accepted.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on January 11, 2014, 22:18:39 pm
Accepted.

what for :afro


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 11, 2014, 22:41:05 pm
what for :afro

I don't know! Maybe accusations that are just plain wrong  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on January 12, 2014, 00:09:13 am
I don't know! Maybe accusations that are just plain wrong  ;)

Quite simply at the moment I am bored with our pointless quips/brownie points scoring. In your parlance - move on.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on January 12, 2014, 07:40:07 am
I heard from a good source yesterday that work starts on Monday.
The club is clearly keeping this quiet with on pitch news the priority.

It will be interesting to see if this is the case.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on January 13, 2014, 14:33:55 pm
The club have posted on twitter that their will be road works around sixfields this week.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 13, 2014, 14:34:37 pm
The KFC road is taking longer than first thought?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on January 13, 2014, 16:20:35 pm
The club have posted on twitter that their will be road works around sixfields this week.
Will this impact on permanent signings being able to reach the stadium ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on January 13, 2014, 16:32:26 pm
Will this impact on permanent signings being able to reach the stadium ;D

Big Dave is busy behind the scenes doing everything he can to find a new road work manager as the situation is getting critical. Interviews have been taking place for weeks but as you can imagine this is quite a big decision and the board want to take their time to get it absolutely spot on. Until then all matters concerned with the running of the football club will be on hold.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on January 13, 2014, 16:34:07 pm
Does anyone really give tuppence about the redevelopment at the moment ?
Maybe the Cardozas do but I cant see many supporters being that bothered. I know I'm not for one.
Priority must be to concentrate on taking the right steps to stay up and worry about everything else later.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on January 13, 2014, 19:45:09 pm
Couldn't give a **** about the development - sort the team and manager out first.

Maybe it's all a plan to get us relegated and eventually merge with Coventry...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on January 13, 2014, 19:48:24 pm
Couldn't give a **** about the development - sort the team and manager out first.

Maybe it's all a plan to get us relegated and eventually merge with Coventry...

 At least our rivals would be able to sing the Chim-chiminey song when they played us, always liked that one.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobbler_rob on February 05, 2014, 11:15:43 am
Any idea of when building work is going to start?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on February 05, 2014, 11:50:37 am
Any idea of when building work is going to start?

Probably when we are 4-6 points clear of the drop!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ajp on February 05, 2014, 13:19:16 pm
Thought DC said end of Jan!? All gone a bit quiet again hasn't it!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on February 05, 2014, 14:52:52 pm
It's all still on schedule according to the leader of the council 2 weeks ago.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on February 05, 2014, 19:19:25 pm
It's all still on schedule according to the leader of the council 2 weeks ago.

So what's the schedule?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on February 05, 2014, 19:24:20 pm
So what's the schedule?

Further soil tests are taking place for the next 6-8 weeks, there is confusion as the soil now seems to have more moisture than when the final soil tests were completed.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on February 05, 2014, 19:52:11 pm
The schedule ? now that's a secret only known by the few  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on February 05, 2014, 22:23:56 pm
Further soil tests are taking place for the next 6-8 weeks, there is confusion as the soil now seems to have more moisture than when the final soil tests were completed.
Where does this come from?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Luton Cobbler on February 05, 2014, 22:29:40 pm
Where does this come from?
Think about it!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on February 05, 2014, 22:32:07 pm
Think about it!
I meant  the info not the moisture !


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on February 05, 2014, 22:45:00 pm
I meant  the info not the moisture !

Apologies, I was just pulling your leg... at least I think it was your leg!?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on February 06, 2014, 02:22:23 am
Thought DC said end of Jan!? All gone a bit quiet again hasn't it!!
jan 2018 when we're top of the conf..


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobbler_rob on February 06, 2014, 09:02:15 am
Announced today, 24th Feb work should start. Cheers for answering my question Dave


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on February 06, 2014, 13:12:29 pm
jan 2018 when we're top of the conf..
Or just outside the playoffs..


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on February 06, 2014, 13:32:22 pm
Announced today, 24th Feb work should start.

No chance ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on February 06, 2014, 15:06:05 pm
No chance ;)
Would'nt be too bothered if work did'nt start till the closed season.
With the weather as it is the last thing I want is for them to take the roof off the east stand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on February 06, 2014, 16:23:57 pm
At least now Boothroyd's gone the decision on which way the seats will face should be easier.  :P ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ajp on February 19, 2014, 08:53:18 am
Thought work was supposed to start next Monday (24th)?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on February 19, 2014, 09:03:34 am
It's already started.

I saw a builder up there yesterday. He scratched his head, then shook it, then made that face where it looks like you're whistling (without the sound) and said something like....

"It's going to cost you"


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on February 19, 2014, 09:13:10 am
I think I saw them too. Drinking tea.

http://youtu.be/z7Bvd33V9dQ



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on February 23, 2014, 08:51:24 am
My lad is in the youth set up.
They have been told that all training moves from sixfields to duston from 5th March due to East stand construction work.

Take that as a crap rumour if you like. .. but I'll be dropping him off at duston upper.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DL2 on February 23, 2014, 11:17:37 am
Before the end of this season


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on February 23, 2014, 11:49:05 am
Not tomorrow then ? Whats happened ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on February 23, 2014, 12:03:29 pm
It's still all on schedule ,this came from David McIntosh ,the leader of the council. I also heard that they will be breaking ground the end of this week/start of next week , this didn't come from David McIntosh.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on February 23, 2014, 12:52:20 pm
As with any major project there has to be a week or two of hanging around in white transits
weighing the job up , pouring over the plans , eyeing up the local talent and drinking a lot of tea.
Its no good rushing into things , Rome wasnt built in a day.  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 23, 2014, 13:24:00 pm
there's f/ck all talent at Sixfields! We're 92nd!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ajp on March 02, 2014, 09:06:26 am
Anyone here any rumours yesterday if it might be starting this week?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on March 02, 2014, 11:12:15 am
The Washington square has disappeared  :o


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sixfields starling on March 02, 2014, 11:36:42 am
Was told by box office staff east stand roof will be off by the next home game,backing up what was said in the letter sent to me.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on March 02, 2014, 12:07:04 pm
What was in the letter ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: singcobb on March 02, 2014, 18:23:58 pm
What was in the letter ?

Some writing on a piece of paper one assumes.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 02, 2014, 20:19:39 pm
 
Some writing on a piece of paper one assumes.

;D :D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 02, 2014, 20:20:31 pm
Some writing on a piece of paper one assumes.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on March 02, 2014, 20:50:34 pm
What was in the letter ?
It said, bring a coat.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on March 02, 2014, 21:28:28 pm
All the STH's in the East have had one.
They are taking the roof off imminently and we can either sit in the rain or move to the North or the West.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lordjord on March 11, 2014, 13:14:21 pm
Ground to be broken this Friday. Im no building expert, but dosnt it seem a bit ambitious to have this new stand in place for the start of the season?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on March 11, 2014, 14:16:03 pm
We don't want those misfits from the East Stand in the West, put them in the North Stand with the rest of the unwashed  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DL2 on March 11, 2014, 14:35:46 pm
Roll on next week  8)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: boca negra cake on March 11, 2014, 18:54:58 pm
there's f/ck all talent at Sixfields! We're 92nd!
Maybe they're bottom men! Anyhoo when they take the roof off the East stand bang goes the atmosphere in there so!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 11, 2014, 21:54:05 pm
All the STH's in the East have had one..

Not strictly true; we've been season ticket holders there for 16 years or so and haven't heard a peep! I guess we'll have to take Gareth Willsher's advice on the radio tonight and contact the club or we'll end up sitting in the rain a la Gillingham!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: andycobbler on March 11, 2014, 22:14:59 pm
my mate and his lad east stand ssh) have been given tickets next to me in the west stand due to the roof being removed shortly and they have the choice of where to sit, not a rumour ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on March 12, 2014, 10:01:06 am
Can't we do a Gillingham and use the East for away supporters once the roof is off?!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Charlatan on March 12, 2014, 10:08:16 am
Can't we do a Gillingham and use the East for away supporters once the roof is off?!
Good idea banana


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on March 12, 2014, 12:42:07 pm
Can't we do a Gillingham and use the East for away supporters once the roof is off?!
Leave it out Banana , a large proportion of us old codgers are staying there due to being welded to our seats.
We will also be able to have a bloody good moan once we get soaked through.  :D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: North_East_Cobbler on March 12, 2014, 13:02:11 pm
Leave it out Banana , a large proportion of us old codgers are staying there due to being welded to our seats.
We will also be able to have a bloody good moan once we get soaked through.  :D

How do you know when you're ready to move across to the East? There's someone who sits near me, in the West, who's not stopped moaning since I first came across him in 1999. Is it purely an age thing (he must be in his mid to late 50's by now), is it based on whinge percentage, or is it some kind of age : whinge ratio?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AbingtonAve on March 12, 2014, 14:20:43 pm
Dunno why you would choose to sit in the East, full of fidgety Kids and middle class parents and you get the sun in your eyes. It's not like the West is like the Shed end circa 1980 is it?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 12, 2014, 15:54:41 pm
Dunno why you would choose to sit in the East, full of fidgety Kids and middle class parents and you get the sun in your eyes. It's not like the West is like the Shed end circa 1980 is it?

I much prefer the East to the West. You are (or at least feel) closer to the pitch and can hear more of what is being said by the players. I don't have any kids sitting near me on a regular basis and there is a pretty good group of people sitting in the immediate vicinity to us who have a decent chat each match.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on March 12, 2014, 17:31:00 pm
How do you know when you're ready to move across to the East? There's someone who sits near me, in the West, who's not stopped moaning since I first came across him in 1999. Is it purely an age thing (he must be in his mid to late 50's by now), is it based on whinge percentage, or is it some kind of age : whinge ratio?
You'll know when its time N.E.
Its when you get grumpy about almost everything , you're over 60 and have backache , dislike intensely anyone under 30 who drinks lager and are generally a right miserable old git.
Anyway , someone told me that the West is going to be the new family stand after the development so all you lot will get moved to the East to get the sun in your eyes. All us old bastards will be sitting  moaning in the faded glory of the West.  ;D UTC


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 12, 2014, 17:46:40 pm
You'll know when its time N.E.
Its when you get grumpy about almost everything , you're over 60 and have backache , dislike intensely anyone under 30 who drinks lager and are generally a right miserable old git.

Do we have to tick all of those boxes or only one or two?  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on March 12, 2014, 17:53:42 pm
You'll know when its time N.E.
Its when you get grumpy about almost everything , you're over 60 and have backache , dislike intensely anyone under 30 who drinks lager and are generally a right miserable old git.
Anyway , someone told me that the West is going to be the new family stand after the development so all you lot will get moved to the East to get the sun in your eyes. All us old bastards will be sitting  moaning in the faded glory of the West.  ;D UTC
so next season when the east is rocking and awash with new money, will the west will become the new east?
I'm certainly staying put the west. Anyone moving across?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on March 12, 2014, 18:08:46 pm
so next season when the east is rocking and awash with new money, will the west will become the new east?
I'm certainly staying put the west. Anyone moving across?
Should think that with a capacity of 10k we will be able to sit where we like.
Next season's season ticket offer will probably include a BOGOF.
Sixfields will be a bit of a ghost town otherwise.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on March 12, 2014, 18:31:11 pm
middle class parents

your having a laugh - I hope ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on March 12, 2014, 18:32:46 pm
Can't we do a Gillingham and use the East for away supporters once the roof is off?!
I'm suggesting they take the roof off the south stand, recycle it and use it for part of the new east stand.
It'll save big Dave some money and reduce the noise coming from.the visitors.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on March 12, 2014, 18:43:27 pm
...middle class parents...

Hey, that's me. Excellent, recognition at last...!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on March 12, 2014, 19:22:45 pm
so next season when the east is rocking and awash with new money, will the west will become the new east?
I'm certainly staying put the west. Anyone moving across?


No chance, I'm not.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on March 12, 2014, 19:32:35 pm

No chance, I'm not.

so its the oinks v the plebs - should be interesting


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on March 12, 2014, 19:33:52 pm
Anyone moving across?

Depends on what's where next season... Is the east still going to be the family area or is that moving to another of the ground?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 12, 2014, 19:36:54 pm
The East stand will be the Sixfields version of the duckboards, which end will eventually be the Hotel?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on March 13, 2014, 00:00:47 am
so its the oinks v the plebs - should be interesting

Huh  ???

Carry on stalking.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on March 13, 2014, 00:49:14 am
Huh  ???

Carry on stalking.

oops - apologies as I just merely used your message to make a "East v West" jest. It was careless but nothing personal whatsoever :-[

Ok? ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on March 13, 2014, 10:53:06 am
The ground breaking will take place tomorrow , Friday, at 1.30 all fans are invited to attend .










Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on March 13, 2014, 13:43:58 pm
The ground breaking will take place tomorrow , Friday, at 1.30 all fans are invited to attend .









Do we need to bring a shovel?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on March 13, 2014, 14:53:24 pm
It might come in handy  :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: boca negra cake on March 13, 2014, 15:29:07 pm
A spade is for digging a shovel is for er shoveling!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: southofthecounty on March 13, 2014, 18:17:09 pm
A spade is for digging a shovel is for er shoveling!
Forking obvious.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on March 13, 2014, 18:29:35 pm
Forking obvious.

where did you rake that one up from :D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on March 13, 2014, 18:34:13 pm
Hoe, hoe, hoe.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TownOwl on March 13, 2014, 22:16:21 pm
Shear we go again with the puns...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 13, 2014, 22:24:26 pm
No mower, please....


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: New Dawn Fades on March 13, 2014, 22:38:35 pm
I bet we can find a shed load more.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on March 13, 2014, 22:53:35 pm
It's hard to rotavate myself to trowel through all these puns.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: alan_ntfc on March 13, 2014, 23:08:03 pm
How on EARTH do you come up with all of these puns.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on March 14, 2014, 00:16:22 am
This is too much, I girder go...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on March 14, 2014, 08:33:25 am
It is getting a bit ****.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on March 14, 2014, 08:34:30 am
It is getting a bit hardc0re.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on March 14, 2014, 08:41:51 am
Hardcore?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 14, 2014, 09:15:02 am
It is getting a bit ****.

ManUre?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on March 14, 2014, 09:30:28 am
Hardcore?

Stand...earth...building...hardc0re....forget it. Don't want to distract you from clogging up each and every thread with your inane bickering, although you'll probably now start on me...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on March 14, 2014, 09:36:45 am
Stand...earth...building...hardc0re....forget it. Don't want to distract you from clogging up each and every thread with your inane bickering, although you'll probably now start on me...
;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on March 14, 2014, 09:54:50 am
Stand...earth...building...hardc0re....forget it. Don't want to distract you from clogging up each and every thread with your inane bickering, although you'll probably now start on me...

I was just showing you how to spell hardcore without having to result to using a zero.

Wish I hadn't have bothered now.  ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on March 14, 2014, 10:03:03 am
Hmmmm....while clearly you are an expert on so very many things, perhaps internet security settings isn't one of them...?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on March 14, 2014, 10:16:30 am
Hmmmm....while clearly you are an expert on so very many things, perhaps internet security settings isn't one of them...?

Are you telling me you are unable to write hardcore on here with having to resort to using a zero?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on March 14, 2014, 10:49:07 am
How is Hornby's injury coming along ?   :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: STEVIEG on March 14, 2014, 15:38:45 pm
The sod has been cut!!! and no, im not talking about human slug Tony Woods!!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on March 14, 2014, 18:18:12 pm
So what was the groundbreaking development news? Anyone?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on March 14, 2014, 18:22:34 pm
So what was the groundbreaking development news? Anyone?

Ahh okay.  Found the story now.  :-[



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ajp on March 14, 2014, 19:33:47 pm
It appears listening to DC that boxes are to be put in the West as well..


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 14, 2014, 19:44:12 pm
Looks like a firm called The County Group are doing it, I've never heard of these so I don't think they're local which disappoints me as I had hoped there would be conditions applied to the loan which meant the work had to go to local companies to keep the money in the town. Shame. Poor show from both club and council on that one if this is the case.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on March 14, 2014, 20:08:12 pm
Looks like a firm called The County Group are doing it, I've never heard of these so I don't think they're local which disappoints me as I had hoped there would be conditions applied to the loan which meant the work had to go to local companies to keep the money in the town. Shame. Poor show from both club and council on that one if this is the case.
A quick look on Companycheck has revealed that, both of the Cardozas are directors of
County Midlands Ltd, and County Developments (Northampton) Ltd.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 14, 2014, 20:12:34 pm
oh hello


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on March 14, 2014, 20:27:00 pm
A quick look on Companycheck has revealed that, both of the Cardozas are directors of
County Midlands Ltd, and County Developments (Northampton) Ltd.
Somehow I'm not surprised.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on March 14, 2014, 20:36:36 pm
Loads of Introduction letters to get on the list of Sub contractors winging its way to Cardoza towers...Just hope he doesn't hold grudge's as many on here wont see any action :o


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on March 14, 2014, 21:47:24 pm
Oh go on then. .. something else to moan about without thinking first.

If you award the contract to your own business. . Then you're going to give a dammed good price and get absolute best value for every penny aren't you?
 ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 14, 2014, 21:50:24 pm
Yeah, you will get a good price.

For clarification - is that NTFC getting a good price or The County Group?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on March 14, 2014, 21:53:00 pm
How is Hornby's injury coming along ?   :P
Hehe.  :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AbingtonAve on March 14, 2014, 21:56:58 pm
Does anyone know who the people in the photo from today's soil cutting ceremony are?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on March 14, 2014, 22:05:23 pm
Oh go on then. .. something else to moan about without thinking first.

If you award the contract to your own business. . Then you're going to give a dammed good price and get absolute best value for every penny aren't you?
 ::)
I wasnt moaning, just pointing out the facts. And I thought about it first.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on March 14, 2014, 22:33:46 pm
I'm just amazed that in the day we've fought for over such a long period. ... there is someone out there who instantly sees wrong doing in what the club is doing.

It's incredible.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on March 14, 2014, 23:51:18 pm
I've seen stadium developments costs broken down to per individual seat costs.
Cardiffs millennium stadium ranked well above Wembley and so on.
2000 seats for £15000000 will give us the top priced seats?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on March 15, 2014, 00:23:08 am
I wasnt moaning, just pointing out the facts. And I thought about it first.

  ;) That's a first  >:D

You have awol - about to send out a search party 8)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on March 15, 2014, 00:36:31 am
 You have awol - about to send out a search party 8)
My apologies. I have been working in Clerkenwell for the last seven weeks. I assume that you have missed me?  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on March 15, 2014, 00:53:55 am
My apologies. I have been working in Clerkenwell for the last seven weeks. I assume that you have missed me?  ;D

I was working there today , I didn't see you  ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on March 15, 2014, 01:00:00 am
I was working there today , I didn't see you  ???
I was stripping out the basement of the Old Sessions House on Clerkenwell Green. Where were you?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 15, 2014, 01:00:58 am
I'm just amazed that in the day we've fought for over such a long period. ... there is someone out there who instantly sees wrong doing in what the club is doing.

It's incredible.

Who was moaning and who has seen wrong? Betamax pointed out who the company were and I just thought that as we're a community club and as the money is coming from our council that the jobs should go to local firms first. I said this when the loan thing first came about and I say it again now it's happening.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AbingtonAve on March 15, 2014, 10:32:33 am
I've seen stadium developments costs broken down to per individual seat costs.
Cardiffs millennium stadium ranked well above Wembley and so on.
2000 seats for £15000000 will give us the top priced seats?

Of course, when it's finished there will scrutiny in how the loan monies have been spent. The increase in capacity does look small at the moment. Are they actually building the East Stand from scratch or adding to the existing building (roof off)?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on March 15, 2014, 10:42:13 am
Just an extra 10 rows on top of existing and several boxes.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on March 15, 2014, 14:07:24 pm
I've just been asked on the private message if I was sceptical about the redevelopment.

The answer is Im delighted with it and very thankful to our local council for faciliting what was required to get the thing moving.
My only reservation on proceedings was that at the end of this phase of development, we will be nowhere near to  a successful challenge on and getting into the championship and maintaining our position.

A 10,000 seater stadium makes a championship club not, so what's the contingency plan for having a ground big enough to welcome 3, 4 or 5000 visiting fans from the dozen or so local clubs that easily sell that many tickets week in week out?

Its my opinion that we are being extremely shortsighted in not adding just a few 1000 more seats, making us ready for the step up, which l believe will do soon.

Please don't take offence, this is just my view.

Any way must dash, got somewhere to be.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on March 15, 2014, 14:14:48 pm
My apologies. I have been working in Clerkenwell for the last seven weeks. I assume that you have missed me?  ;D


 ;)assume = ass u (&) me ;)



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ulster Cobbler on March 15, 2014, 15:00:00 pm
I've just been asked on the private message if I was sceptical about the redevelopment.

The answer is Im delighted with it and very thankful to our local council for faciliting what was required to get the thing moving.
My only reservation on proceedings was that at the end of this phase of development, we will be nowhere near to  a successful challenge on and getting into the championship and maintaining our position.

A 10,000 seater stadium makes a championship club not, so what's the contingency plan for having a ground big enough to welcome 3, 4 or 5000 visiting fans from the dozen or so local clubs that easily sell that many tickets week in week out?

Its my opinion that we are being extremely shortsighted in not adding just a few 1000 more seats, making us ready for the step up, which l believe will do soon.


Given how quickly they seem to expect to complete this work (sort of, add on to existing rather than re-build) I would expect that capacity in the north & south stands could be increased reasonably quickly too when (& if  ::) ) the need arises. Suspect that the Chairman might adopt a wait and see policy after the raised expectations that were dashed by our previous 2 "high profile" managers!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on March 15, 2014, 22:04:17 pm
I was stripping out the basement of the Old Sessions House on Clerkenwell Green. Where were you?
On the 4th floor of Café Saffron ,Indian restaurant in Aylesbury St working on an O2 site. We sat for 3.5 hours outside the café on Clerkenwell Green waiting for access to the job!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on March 15, 2014, 22:46:46 pm
;)assume = ass u (&) me ;)


You do talk some rubbish at times.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on March 15, 2014, 23:36:48 pm
I was stripping out the basement of the Old Sessions House on Clerkenwell Green.

That's got to be a euphemism for something really disgusting.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on March 15, 2014, 23:48:16 pm
That's got to be a euphemism for something really disgusting.
It was pretty messy. ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on March 16, 2014, 16:56:27 pm
You have to be the most negative positive person I have come across.. You have perfected moaning about moaning.

You clearly don't know me then. ... although you do.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 17, 2014, 17:55:32 pm
You have to be the most negative positive person I have come across.. You have perfected moaning about moaning.

Stewards enquiry ;D :D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 17, 2014, 18:03:52 pm
Have you reserved your box yet Shoey?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 17, 2014, 21:27:08 pm
Have you reserved your box yet Shoey?
No.
Never ever buy until you know what you are actually buying!
If I'd have bought a pass to get into the fans village or a season ticket for the rugby league club I'd have been hugely disappointed.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on March 18, 2014, 09:12:22 am
Have you reserved your box yet Shoey?
And there was me thinking that was an attempt at humour  : ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 18, 2014, 09:42:29 am
And there was me thinking that was an attempt at humour  : ::)

It must have been the lack of a smiley that went over his head....


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 18, 2014, 11:34:02 am
It must have been the lack of a smiley that went over his head....
;)  ;D  :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 25, 2014, 12:52:43 pm
Doesn't seem to be much activities over by the East, is the completion date still before next season?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ajp on March 25, 2014, 13:05:27 pm
Nothing's happened yet as far as I could see. Thought the roof was supposed to be off by Sat??


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lordjord on March 25, 2014, 13:08:44 pm
They are going to have to get the guy with the megaphone from Extreme makeover home edition on the case. I dont see how this will be done by August?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on March 25, 2014, 15:39:11 pm
I believe they've gone back to the drawing board to re think the plans, as they stand we will not be in a position to get promoted out of the lower divisions and shows very poor return on a £15,000,000 investment to leave a town of 230,000 with a tiny little ground still not fit for purpose.

I just hope the experts behind this project don't serve up a shiite sandwich on a broken plate!

Time for a question and answer session.

My 1st Question, When will we developed the ground to achieve our aspirations of playing in the championship, or must we hope to be a Yeovil and fly by the bones of our arrses.

2nd.. I know as a mere fan of this club and therefore shouldn't question the proposed development, but I would love to know how the club will make money from the hotel? Is it a one off payment, a little annual rent or a decent % per rooms occupancy.

3/ Are the council overseeing the spend to make sure the Town and club get the absolute most benefit from this once in a lifetime brilliant wind fall.

4/ Am I the only one out side the loop or is there zero transparency and no one has a Scooby what's happening or proposed.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on March 25, 2014, 15:52:24 pm
What's this no development?

Well blow me down.

If 11 years of false dawns and broken promises have taught me anything it is not to believe a word I hear about the topic of NTFC and 'development'.

And to think it was all going so well when they broke that piece of grass the other week ::)

p.s. If you want to know what building a new stand looks like I suggest people take a look at a professionally run club - NCCC and the County Ground. They've got a massive f*cking crane, what looks like a a stand shape structure emerging upward from the ground and best of all very little in the way of hot air.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on March 25, 2014, 16:09:15 pm
Maybe they're waiting until after the Portsmouth and Wycombe games.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TopCat on March 25, 2014, 16:55:01 pm
I was in the club shop yesterday and I asked about the East Stand roof. He seemed to think they had changed their minds and it will stay in place till the end of the season. In the meantime they will perform other works behind the East Stand. TBF he wasn't 100% that it was the case, but it sounded like a reasonable plan to me!!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 25, 2014, 18:51:04 pm
Maybe the council have decided that the cobblers won't need a redeveloped stadium if they plummet out of the league.
You could see where there coming from.
Even so I'd expect the houses to get built so its not all bad news.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on March 25, 2014, 19:02:28 pm
Maybe the council have decided that the cobblers won't need a redeveloped stadium if they plummet out of the league.
You could see where there coming from.
Even so I'd expect the houses to get built so its not all bad news.

Shut up Shoey.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 25, 2014, 19:22:49 pm
Maybe the council have decided that the cobblers won't need a redeveloped stadium if they plummet out of the league.
You could see where there coming from.
Even so I'd expect the houses to get built so its not all bad news.
didnt I tell you I'd bin you off if you continued to refuse to understand what the redevelopment is all about?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on March 25, 2014, 19:50:01 pm
didnt I tell you I'd bin you off if you continued to refuse to understand what the redevelopment is all about?

Do us all a favour and carry out your threat Karl, the bloke doesn't even support the team, just undermines them at every turn. I wouldn't care if he was honest about his allegiances but pretending to support the club whilst criticising at every opportunity it's getting right on my nerves.

Piss off Polly!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 25, 2014, 20:40:37 pm
didnt I tell you I'd bin you off if you continued to refuse to understand what the redevelopment is all about?
So other posters can show scepticism regards the development but I share those concerns and get targeted.
Moderation at its best!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 25, 2014, 20:40:57 pm
Do us all a favour and carry out your threat Karl, the bloke doesn't even support the team, just undermines them at every turn. I wouldn't care if he was honest about his allegiances but pretending to support the club whilst criticising at every opportunity it's getting right on my nerves.

Piss off Polly!

You have probably posted what the majority were thinking...  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 25, 2014, 20:48:28 pm
Do us all a favour and carry out your threat Karl, the bloke doesn't even support the team, just undermines them at every turn. I wouldn't care if he was honest about his allegiances but pretending to support the club whilst criticising at every opportunity it's getting right on my nerves.

Piss off Polly!
That's right throw your two penneth in.
I never threw my two penneth in when you didn't post for a year or two because it had nothing to do with me whether you did or not.
I have my opinions and il stick to them.
As I've constantly said I do want us to stay up and the overwhelming reason is that I fear for the future of the club(as did the chairman in his comments regarding our escape under GJ).
I made a decision just to take in a handfull of away games after having a season ticket for many years and that's what I'm doing,hardly the action of a person wanting the team to go down.
I leave the non attendance and supporting of other clubs to the majority of Northamptonshire and stand by the right to be in the minority and support the club and attend games.
Hey ho.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on March 25, 2014, 23:48:48 pm
You have probably posted what the majority were thinking...  ;)
Er , just asking but why isn't he entitled to his opinion ?



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on March 26, 2014, 01:27:53 am
All Shoey is doing is repeating unfounded rumours started elsewhere. I really don't think the council is going to cancel / downsize a multi million project , where all the steel as been ordered and contracts signed because the Cobblers failed to win a couple of games. The re-development is going ahead 100% whatever division we are in next season.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on March 26, 2014, 01:41:08 am
I agree Shoey is getting boring. He's either dense or on a constant wind up. Everyone knows the redevelopment isn't just about NTFC but has many other factors contributing to it.It will go ahead whether be play Bristol City or Braintree next season.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 26, 2014, 08:21:47 am
No shoemaker, the reason is because you constantly say why do we need more seats when you know that the extra seats aren't the reason for the development. It's the other 6 days a week it is focused on.

And you bore me


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on March 26, 2014, 08:28:54 am
All valid points Karl.

It's like having a member from Loose Women on the message board.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 26, 2014, 09:34:11 am
All Shoey is doing is repeating unfounded rumours started elsewhere. I really don't think the council is going to cancel / downsize a multi million project , where all the steel as been ordered and contracts signed because the Cobblers failed to win a couple of games. The re-development is going ahead 100% whatever division we are in next season.
That's good to hear Barton but does anyone actually know when.
There are dates that come and go and no updates and that does nothing to alay fears/contribute to rumours.
Can anyone on here please tell me WHEN is this actually starting?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on March 26, 2014, 10:47:33 am
Erm, it's started...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on March 26, 2014, 13:24:21 pm
Erm, it's started...
Awhh you've gone and spoilt it , you really shouldn't let facts get in the way of a good rumour !  :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 26, 2014, 15:33:56 pm
Erm, it's started...
That's good.
Now to stay in the football league.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whitedogdo on March 26, 2014, 21:03:10 pm
The roof is staying on until the end of the season.  The internal works are well underway. I guess if you can't see it Shoey or indeed you didn't have a meeting with the chairman about it. .. then it's clearly not happening.

The infrastructure of the East will be built around the current structure until the season is over.
The West Stand will have boxes built in now as well as the East. .. Yes Shoey. .. this generates turnover to pay for players wages.

I understand that the face of the West well look different to accommodate the boxes.
I also understand that significant pitch improvement will be made in the summer.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 26, 2014, 23:33:56 pm
Oh


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on March 26, 2014, 23:50:37 pm
There were some blokes there today in hi viz vests. They were drinking tea and sucking through their teeth. As soon as it started drizzling they got in the van.
It's in full swing.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 27, 2014, 00:20:59 am
I might go park up outside tomorrow with a full load on, that'd get people wet


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on March 27, 2014, 00:27:38 am
I might go park up outside tomorrow with a full load on, that'd get people wet
What ya hauling trucker?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on March 27, 2014, 08:50:00 am
I might go park up outside tomorrow with a full load on, that'd get people wet
Going dogging again?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Whytewell on March 27, 2014, 09:12:19 am


Is that watching or participating?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 27, 2014, 09:25:59 am

Is that watching or participating?

I though that watching was participating?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on March 27, 2014, 09:45:52 am
There were some blokes there today in hi viz vests. They were drinking tea and sucking through their teeth. As soon as it started drizzling they got in the van.
It's in full swing.
;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on March 27, 2014, 10:34:22 am
The roof is staying on until the end of the season.  The internal works are well underway. I guess if you can't see it Shoey or indeed you didn't have a meeting with the chairman about it. .. then it's clearly not happening.

The infrastructure of the East will be built around the current structure until the season is over.
The West Stand will have boxes built in now as well as the East. .. Yes Shoey. .. this generates turnover to pay for players wages.

I understand that the face of the West well look different to accommodate the boxes.
I also understand that significant pitch improvement will be made in the summer.


Boxes in the West, first time I've heard that. Where did you get that info from?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 27, 2014, 12:34:51 pm
What ya hauling trucker?
any plant you'll find on a building site


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on March 28, 2014, 19:26:52 pm
Boxes in the West, first time I've heard that. Where did you get that info from?
That was the first revision of sixfields when the loons were going to demolish a perfectly good west stand and re build completely, leaving the the rest of the tiny stands as is. ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TopCat on March 28, 2014, 20:53:24 pm
I hear the floodlights are not up to Football League minimum standard so these are being upgraded as part of the development.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 28, 2014, 21:06:53 pm
I can well believe that, they're pretty sh/t. No wonder we've only really had rearranged games at night this year


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on March 28, 2014, 21:24:46 pm
They seem to be up to League One standard.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ajp on March 28, 2014, 21:41:07 pm
I hear the floodlights are not up to Football League minimum standard so these are being upgraded as part of the development.

They should scrap those and put new ones along the top of the stands.. Looks much better


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on March 28, 2014, 21:49:01 pm
I hear the floodlights are not up to Football League minimum standard so these are being upgraded as part of the development.
Are they up to Conference standard?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Luton Cobbler on March 29, 2014, 01:05:48 am
I hear the floodlights are not up to Football League minimum standard so these are being upgraded as part of the development.

Really? So 20 years on and we've just found out the floodlights aren't up to standard. Good news


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on March 29, 2014, 08:37:24 am
The minimum requirement is changing with the Lux rating increasing from 350 to 500 from this year for Leagues 1 & 2 and up to 800 for the Championship.
 A row along the top of the new east would look good.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TopCat on March 29, 2014, 09:27:55 am
The minimum requirement is changing with the Lux rating increasing from 350 to 500 from this year for Leagues 1 & 2 and up to 800 for the Championship.
A row along the top of the new east would look good.

Perfect!! We can blind the buggers in the West  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TopCat on March 29, 2014, 09:30:52 am
Are they up to Conference standard?

I had a chuckle to myself as I wrote my post that this would be one of the responces  :D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on March 29, 2014, 11:28:57 am
The minimum requirement is changing with the Lux rating increasing from 350 to 500 from this year for Leagues 1 & 2 and up to 800 for the Championship.
 A row along the top of the new east would look good.
If we stay up next season, I'm gonna start holding up my lit Zippo when necessary. If enough follow suit, it'll save big Dave some dough that he can put towards that 20 goals a season striker.
I don't think it will contravene the stadium non smoking, or health and safety policies.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 29, 2014, 12:37:27 pm
With a taller roof on the East Stand, I did think that some work might be required to the lights in order to prevent parts of the pitch being in shadow.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ajp on April 01, 2014, 11:45:33 am
Has anyone listened to DC today?? I don't know about anyone else, but does it all sound a bit /back to square one' with this development again??  It seems the plans have completely changed again, all seems to be going in the West Stand, East stand now staying as it is?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 01, 2014, 11:55:47 am
Has anyone listened to DC today?? I don't know about anyone else, but does it all sound a bit /back to square one' with this development again??  It seems the plans have completely changed again, all seems to be going in the West Stand, East stand now staying as it is?

Really?? Without the "benefit" of Player I can't hear the Chairmans latest ramblings.......but I've got to say, another 2500 seats in the West Stand will look a bit weird!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 01, 2014, 12:12:57 pm
I think it needs to be taken out of his hands before the council withdraw the excellent offer!

North Korea has a more open policy ;D

Its not if its sensitive information and could be scuppered by industrial espionage.

Just tell us what's gooin on.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 01, 2014, 12:17:04 pm
I've said it a hundred times before and I'll say it again.

I won't believe a single thing I hear about the ground development until I physically see it happen before my eyes.

Why anyone would still fall for the bullsh*t after all these years is beyond me.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ajp on April 01, 2014, 12:24:35 pm
Really?? Without the "benefit" of Player I can't hear the Chairmans latest ramblings.......but I've got to say, another 2500 seats in the West Stand will look a bit weird!!

He says they didn't think they could get the conference centre in the west due to cost but that has now changed! No mention of East Stand but he made out that the West was now the focal point! I still think he's holding off for another reason... Until we know which division we are in!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on April 01, 2014, 12:31:14 pm
Tha Chairman of Northampton Town Football Club being economical with the truth ? Really ? Now there's a surprise.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 01, 2014, 13:48:43 pm
It seems the plans have completely changed again, all seems to be going in the West Stand, East stand now staying as it is?
If this is the case, then surely the planning application would have to be re submitted?
For quite a long time, i have fell into the "believe it when I see it category".
It shouldnt be too long before one over excitable individual pops up accusing us of moaning again. :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 01, 2014, 15:03:00 pm
As Supporters of this club and ultimately the end users of the Stadium, what do we want to in regards to the redevelopment of sixfields?
 Its our money being loaned to the club, can we be trusted to know what's best for the clubs and its long term future?.

I propose Random and Shoemaker as joint project managers, seconded? :afro


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Popeye Doyle on April 01, 2014, 15:29:45 pm
Really?? Without the "benefit" of Player I can't hear the Chairmans latest ramblings.......but I've got to say, another 2500 seats in the West Stand will look a bit weird!!
Considering the date, could this be a leg pull? 😯😱


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: random on April 01, 2014, 15:31:10 pm
if it is it's certainly in bad taste



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on April 01, 2014, 16:09:57 pm
For quite a long time, i have fell into the "believe it when I see it category".
It shouldnt be too long before one over excitable individual pops up accusing us of moaning again. :)
... and I wonder who that might be??  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on April 01, 2014, 16:29:32 pm
In fairness, unless I got the wrong end of the stick DC said that boxes will ALSO be in the West Stand, so that would suggest the capacity will still be increased in the East Stand with boxes. Obviously, without seeing the plans I am only going on what he appeared to say, with conference facilities also attached to the West Stand.

All will become clear, in the near future. However, the prices for the East Stand season ticket at £380 for an adult also suggests a major overhaul of this stand, because these now are the same price as the West Stand. I don't believe this was the case this season, because it was a family stand it had reduced prices, but maybe a season ticket holder in the East can confirm if this is correct or not.           


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 01, 2014, 16:44:16 pm
Big Dave doesn't strike me as the type of guy who pulls legs.
If it matters to his plans which division we are in then I'd say he's just playing for time.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 01, 2014, 19:48:40 pm
In fairness, unless I got the wrong end of the stick DC said that boxes will ALSO be in the West Stand, so that would suggest the capacity will still be increased in the East Stand with boxes. Obviously, without seeing the plans I am only going on what he appeared to say, with conference facilities also attached to the West Stand.

All will become clear, in the near future. However, the prices for the East Stand season ticket at £380 for an adult also suggests a major overhaul of this stand, because these now are the same price as the West Stand. I don't believe this was the case this season, because it was a family stand it had reduced prices, but maybe a season ticket holder in the East can confirm if this is correct or not.           

But putting boxes into the West (without increasing the size of the stand,) will surely reduce the overall capacity of that stand, wouldn't it? Will the finished stadium even reach a 10,000 capacity?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 01, 2014, 22:13:20 pm
At the St Crispin and St Edmunds developments the main contractors promised to develop along with their new homes the main old structures turning them into luxury flats..neither were touched after the main houses were built and both structures were left in absolute ruins!
Not saying that's ever going to happen at Sixfields but if the East stand is not developed as proposed with the conferencing centre behind but masses of houses springing up left right and centre, then I will suspect it to being something similar?

Boxes in west stand would mean jack shiit over in the East.

Bloody shame we haven't got a supporters trust to demand as to what the frig is going on.

Relegation is never a good time to try and bury  shiite news!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 01, 2014, 22:23:03 pm
I'm sorry but like I've said elsewhere, that's not what Cardoza is saying on player, there's going to be MORE money spent on the ground and the West Stand improvements are on top of those planned for the East.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 01, 2014, 22:39:11 pm
The only planning permission requested and given to date currently only covers the East Stand redevelopment currently.

http://www.northampton.gov.uk/info/200206/planning-applications/1918/sixfields-stadium-planning-application

The West changes are only cosmetic rather than structure with new seats and external cladding etc unless anything has changed which it could have of course


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 01, 2014, 23:12:53 pm
At the St Crispin and St Edmunds developments the main contractors promised to develop along with their new homes the main old structures turning them into luxury flats..neither were touched after the main houses were built and both structures were left in absolute ruins!
No "main houses" have been built at St Edmunds. It is still a ruin.




Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 08, 2014, 09:55:18 am
East stand plans have definitely changed - Only 6 rows to be added for next season and no conference center. Boxes are planned for the West along with the new conference center, although we quite clearly don't have planning permission for that. Smacks of stalling tactics / playing for time / finding excuses not to actually go ahead with the whole thing. We'll see what happens...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on April 08, 2014, 10:30:41 am
Really surely not Razor, i thought it had started or so the fans have been told,  Somebody telling porkies, again.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 08, 2014, 10:34:23 am
They are selling tickets for the extra 6 rows in the East Stand for next season so I assume they still plan to have that work completed. So maybe work has begun, maybe it hasn't. But it's definitely a change of plan either way.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 08, 2014, 10:35:56 am
Really surely not Razor, i thought it had started or so the fans have been told,  Somebody telling porkies, again.
;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 08, 2014, 10:36:59 am
Cardoza has already said there has been a change. At first they didn't think they could improve the West Stand AS WELL as the East. Now apparently they can, at least they hope to if the planning permission comes through.

This is actually good news.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 08, 2014, 11:11:44 am
Lack of transparency on this is making the club look very amateurish and a bit like they're making it up as they go along.

It would be good to see a robust project summary of what is being done, where and when.

Last we heard from DC was that itd be sorted before the start of next season.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 08, 2014, 11:22:01 am
Cardoza has an interview on the club website TODAY about the redevelopment, that's the LATEST news.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NaggerPagger on April 08, 2014, 11:37:41 am
They are selling tickets for the extra 6 rows in the East Stand for next season so I assume they still plan to have that work completed. So maybe work has begun, maybe it hasn't. But it's definitely a change of plan either way.

Guessing here but I presume the back four rows of the "new" east stand would be for the "new" corporate guests so would not be available for general sale or am I just looking at this in a far too positive way.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 08, 2014, 11:53:01 am
Guessing here but I presume the back four rows of the "new" east stand would be for the "new" corporate guests so would not be available for general sale or am I just looking at this in a far too positive way.

General sale as I understand. The number of boxes have been reduced in anticipation of having some put in the West. But in reality who knows?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 08, 2014, 11:54:05 am
Going to be fantastic isn't it.  :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 08, 2014, 12:04:36 pm
Going to be fantastic isn't it.  :)

I just hope, for the good of the people of Northampton, they get it all finished in time to give as many of us as possible the opportunity to see us storming to the Blue Square Bet title next season. 10,000 ain't gonna be enough.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 08, 2014, 12:07:46 pm
I just hope, for the good of the people of Northampton, they get it all finished in time to give as many of us as possible the opportunity to see us storming to the Blue Square Bet title next season. 10,000 ain't gonna be enough.
Nor when we are challenging for promotion into the Championship ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 08, 2014, 12:14:33 pm
Nor when we are challenging for promotion into the Championship ::)

5 year plan? ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 08, 2014, 12:17:22 pm
The ground will be helmed in on all sides with extra new houses, making it look like Kenilworth rd Luton.

Not mentioned for a while, but Saints ground redevelopment will be more suited to Championship ambitions?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 08, 2014, 12:19:48 pm
The club tweeted a picture of the work being done on the changing rooms, a huge improvement in terms of size.

The interview with DC on the official site clearly states that the planning application is currently in for the West Stand and the East Stand is in the process of being stripped out - what don't people understand?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 08, 2014, 12:30:43 pm
The club tweeted a picture of the work being done on the changing rooms, a huge improvement in terms of size.

The interview with DC on the official site clearly states that the planning application is currently in for the West Stand and the East Stand is in the process of being stripped out - what don't people understand?
A definitive final issue lay out, a few sections and elevation drawings.

Its our once in a life time,  wind fall from the Council so not to much to ask!
But we're all stressing that it will turn into a not fit for purpose shiite sandwich.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 08, 2014, 12:35:11 pm
Wasn't the ground itself a once in a lifetime council handout


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 08, 2014, 12:39:39 pm
The ground will be helmed in on all sides with extra new houses, making it look like Kenilworth rd Luton.

Not mentioned for a while, but Saints ground redevelopment will be more suited to Championship ambitions?
[/quoteIts been a while since I was at Kenilworth rd but Sixfields resembling Luton, surely not?
So, a serious question because I'm not clear about this. Where exactly are these new houses going to be built?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 08, 2014, 12:46:41 pm
A definitive final issue lay out, a few sections and elevation drawings.

Its our once in a life time,  wind fall from the Council so not to much to ask!
But we're all stressing that it will turn into a not fit for purpose shiite sandwich.

Yeah can understand it would be good to see the final plans - who is to say we won't see those once the planning permission is granted?



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 08, 2014, 12:54:16 pm
If you want to see 'Fantastic' look up what Brentford are achieving as their new ground on a plot of land surrounded by buildings.
What's going on now sounds exactly like any progress this club has ever made since I have supported them. Another unprofessional piecemeal attempt at doing the job properly. We have always been a joke of a club and I can't see anything changing soon.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 08, 2014, 13:02:01 pm
Just had a look at the designs Ralph, looks bloody good doesn't it?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 08, 2014, 13:07:29 pm
I don't get this attitude. At first it was going to be just a redevelopment of the East Stand. Now we've found the resources not only to do that but also revamp the West Stand. What's not to like about that?

We'll end up with one of the best grounds in League 2 and if the worse was to happen the best ground in the Conference.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 08, 2014, 13:09:02 pm
People like pictures Marvo.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 08, 2014, 13:19:26 pm
Piecemeal developments never produce a truly cohesive design that works on both the eye and in practice.
Piecemeal is how this club has been run since I've supported them. We are forever being disappointed by those at the top.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: MKMal on April 08, 2014, 20:20:50 pm
I was in the club shop today and given to understand that the East stand is not going to be developed as much as we were originally told. Hence the reason they are looking to put boxes in the West stand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 08, 2014, 20:26:02 pm
I was in the club shop today and given to understand that the East stand is not going to be developed as much as we were originally told. Hence the reason they are looking to put boxes in the West stand.

Christ! This fukking club!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 08, 2014, 20:46:38 pm
Who can blame big Dave for wanting his own exec box....


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 08, 2014, 20:59:47 pm
Who can blame big Dave for wanting his own exec box....

 ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 08, 2014, 21:04:38 pm
What I do know is that 12 million quid can buy you a fair bit when it comes to stadia.

Im just glad that the changing rooms are going to be bigger. It proves that we are serious about trying to bring Bayo back.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 08, 2014, 21:13:38 pm
What I do know is that 12 million quid can buy you a fair bit when it comes to stadia.

Im just glad that the changing rooms are going to be bigger. It proves that we are serious about trying to bring Bayo back.
;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 08, 2014, 21:18:02 pm
What I do know is that 12 million quid can buy you a fair bit when it comes to stadia.

Im just glad that the changing rooms are going to be bigger. It proves that we are serious about trying to bring Bayo back.

Hahahaha!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 08, 2014, 23:39:19 pm
We should have a word with the leader of the Cobblers supporters trust, who is it these days? David Cardoza?  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on April 09, 2014, 04:45:23 am
Is there a new Nandos in the redevelopment pipeline?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 09, 2014, 07:14:50 am
& as if by magic http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/east-stand-090414-1476800.aspx


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on April 09, 2014, 07:40:16 am
Progress off the pitch at last and I am not going to knock that.  What I find strange is that we don't appear to have much idea as to what exactly is happening.  Executive boxes in the West Stand now? True or false?  I just hope that somewhere in the stands there will be a decent bar with tvs so that we supporters can relax and put some additional funds into the club by doing what we do best!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on April 09, 2014, 09:26:06 am
Of course the east stand will be redeveloped. Why else do you think they got an artist to spend his time and creative energy painting murals there if they didn't intend to knock it down? 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 09, 2014, 09:56:34 am
Bitter Mark?  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on April 09, 2014, 09:59:01 am
Bitter Mark?  ;)

Cheers mate, a pint please.  ;D

Not from Carr's bar tho thanks, I don't like the wallpaper in there.  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on April 09, 2014, 10:33:55 am
That is some pretty awful wallpaper, somebodies brain was having a day off when they decided it would be a good idea to do that. ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 09, 2014, 12:08:03 pm
What I do know is that 12 million quid can buy you a fair bit when it comes to stadia.

Im just glad that the changing rooms are going to be bigger. It proves that we are serious about trying to bring Bayo back.

Made me spit coffee ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Gen.Disorda on April 09, 2014, 15:21:48 pm
Who painted the mural ? , looks like an MK artist.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on April 09, 2014, 17:13:50 pm
The lad in the box office today said he thought that only the outside blocks at each end of the east were being extended back and that the concourse
in the middle would remain. Also said he was'nt sure about whether or not there would be any boxes in there or indeed if they were putting new seats in.
Whether that is a definitive version is anybody's guess but it would be good to know a bit more detail of what they actually are doing .


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 09, 2014, 17:28:07 pm
Surely approved planning permission is specific to design, dimensions etc etc. You can't just change things willy nilly without referring back to the planning authorities?
 Currently no submitted West Stand planning applications on nbc planning web page that I could see.
Usual lack of information of any substance.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 09, 2014, 17:35:36 pm
So the ground is having a £200,000 make over, so what the frick is the other £ 14,800,00 being spent on?

I would rather the council temporarily take back the offer until we get someone in place that understands what's required to promote the club within the town and redevelops the stadium to reflect the ambitions of our club.

The silence is deafening from Sixfields.
Just tell us what your doing, and why its in the clubs best interest!

I can except being temporality dumped out in the wilderness of non league football, but can not accept a golden opportunity missed due to extreme short-sightedness.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 09, 2014, 17:38:15 pm
Where did the story of less seats originate from? I know the real money maker is suites not seats but the idea of an improved capacity was what got a lot of fans on side and writing letters and that. Bit poor if that's now being gone back on. But then again, dc always delivers


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 09, 2014, 17:39:25 pm
So the ground is having a £200,000 make over, so what the frick is the other £ 14,800,00 being spent on?

I would rather the council temporarily take back the offer until we get someone in place that understands what's required to promote the club within the town and redevelops the stadium to reflect the ambitions of our club.

The silence is deafening from Sixfields.
Just tell us what your doing, and why its in the clubs best interest!

I can except being temporality dumped out in the wilderness of non league football, but can not accept a golden opportunity missed due to extreme short-sightedness.
If youre paying your own company to do the work is amazing just how little 15m will get you


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 09, 2014, 17:55:39 pm
There is no way that the ground capacity will rise to 10000. Thats an additional 2400 seats.
If the East Stand is scaled back, where are they going?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Dorset Cobbler on April 09, 2014, 18:50:17 pm
There is no way that the ground capacity will rise to 10000. Thats an additional 2400 seats.
If the East Stand is scaled back, where are they going?
On the hill  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 09, 2014, 19:16:33 pm
There is no way that the ground capacity will rise to 10000. Thats an additional 2400 seats.
If the East Stand is scaled back, where are they going?

6 additional rows of seats in the East is pretty much all thats been mentioned so far. A full row = 200 seats.....so even 6 full rows only equates to an additional 1200 seats.... and now its mentioned that it is only the wings that are being extended!! so thats what? 400-600 extra seats at best. Capacity rises to 8200, unless the boxes in the West neccisitate the removal of some seating there! Or, alternatively they could be super sized boxes each capable of holding up to 200 people!! That way we might just scrape an overall capacity of 10000!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobbler_rob on April 09, 2014, 19:48:57 pm
I get the impression that the only changes to the East stand plans are to put off the conference centre which is to be built behind it until they know whether they can build it onto the West stand instead. There will still be an extra 10 rows totalling 2000 extra seats and boxes above that; the top 4 rows of seats of which reserved for now. A redeveloped west stand was always the original goal and by the sounds of it is still being planned.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 09, 2014, 19:52:44 pm
On the hill  ;D
Those sky blue b/stards can contribute towards that. :D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 09, 2014, 19:54:30 pm
If youre paying your own company to do the work is amazing just how little 15m will get you

Ouch  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 09, 2014, 20:38:28 pm
So let me get this right then people. We've been wanging on about this redevelopment for ten years and now we can do it and pay for it we've no idea what to do? What's that phrase with all the p's? prior planning and that?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 09, 2014, 20:46:27 pm
Could be worth the trust getting clarification as to what is occurring? Surely DC will not want incorrect rumours circulating...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 09, 2014, 20:49:22 pm
For once I agree with Drilling, some clarity would be nice. It's obviously still happening but there's lots of rumours floating around.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 09, 2014, 20:50:30 pm
Could be worth the trust getting clarification as to what is occurring? Surely DC will not want incorrect rumours circulating...
I have no doubt whatsoever, that at least one of his little sycophants is reading this.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 09, 2014, 20:53:15 pm
I'm actually more p*ssed off about the way the club is being run off the field than on the field, unbelievably considering our position.

I'm just sick of the lack of transparency, constant lies, changes of plan and fúck all getting done.

Under this regime we've seen 2 (possibly soon to be 3) relegations and just 1 promotion.

Attendances have fallen. The football has mostly been dire. Battling relegation to non-league has become the norm. Managers and players have constantly turned over quicker than is healthy and there is no cohesive plan in place whatsoever.

The fans have been treated with very little respect and the worst part is it's all we've come to expect.

I'm at the point where I do not trust the board or anything they say anymore and I have grave concerns about how beneficial this £15m loan will end up being to the club.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 09, 2014, 20:56:22 pm
Could be worth the trust getting clarification as to what is occurring?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 09, 2014, 21:05:30 pm
I'm actually more p*ssed off about the way the club is being run off the field than on the field, unbelievably considering our position.

I'm just sick of the lack of transparency, constant lies, changes of plan and fúck all getting done.

Under this regime we've seen 2 (possibly soon to be 3) relegations and just 1 promotion.

Attendances have fallen. The football has mostly been dire. Battling relegation to non-league has become the norm. Managers and players have constantly turned over quicker than is healthy and there is no cohesive plan in place whatsoever.

The fans have been treated with very little respect and the worst part is it's all we've come to expect.

I'm at the point where I do not trust the board or anything they say anymore and I have grave concerns about how beneficial this £15m loan will end up being to the club.

Get off the fence Razor!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 10, 2014, 13:19:06 pm
There you go then....straight from the mouth of DC...capacity only up to around 8.5k max.

4-6 boxes in the West Stand and 10-12 boxes in the East Stand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 10, 2014, 13:29:21 pm
Capacity at the moment is 7600 so by my calculations that's just 900 extra seats for a £15,000,000 investment!!!

What do the council think on this matter, looks like Macintosh and tax payers of Northampton have very little return for their loan.

The Cricket club have just built a little stand at the CG, 980 seats for £600,000, that's 80 seats more than us but for £14,400,000 less ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 10, 2014, 13:33:17 pm
I thought the loan was £12million?

Personally I think it makes a bit of sense, it's very easy to add on extra seats at not too much cost. It's not easy to add in boxes, conference centre and hotel without spending lots.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: threeinabed on April 10, 2014, 13:41:36 pm
i think, as always, the main plan was the make the club a 7 day a week business, which they will still be doing.

the extra capacity isnt really needed in the skrill premier, or league 2.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 10, 2014, 13:44:14 pm
The club have just had the bill in for the alterations to the new home changing room.......£11m.......theres not a lot left for much else!!  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Mistical on April 10, 2014, 13:54:48 pm
Makes sense, we can't fill 7,600, so there's not point in increasing to 10,000 unless fans like seeing rows and rows of empty seats?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 10, 2014, 13:57:07 pm
For me, when we need to increase the capacity I would like to see the North & South Stands double in size.

Now I'm not a builder but I wouldn't have thought that was that big of a job?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 10, 2014, 13:57:14 pm
hmmm....gives my conspiracy theory about why season ticket announcements were put back some more diesel! No real creative marketing opportunities and to be honest, no white elephant if we go down.

It still means that championship aspirations are a pie in the sky (regardless of this seasons outcome) because unless the capacity is significantly increased we will never be able to compete higher than the middle of league1. Look at the clubs up there and you will see what I mean (league1 top6). *exception Leyton Orient but they will be back to their usual level some time soon

As I said, 12million quid...buys you a lot of bricks. Thats me done on the subject though, I've said my bit.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AbingtonAve on April 10, 2014, 14:03:34 pm
I'm getting the feeling that we have backed the wrong horse with the Cardozas. Instead of marching in support we should have been looking at ways to get rid of them.

Have the fans been consulted at all in this process about what they want out of a redeveloped stadium?

I can foresee the Cardoza's reign at the club being looked at as a disaster and we'll be complaining about this redevelopment to years to come.

We'll see.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 10, 2014, 14:05:13 pm
There you go then....straight from the mouth of DC...capacity only up to around 8.5k max.

4-6 boxes in the West Stand and 10-12 boxes in the East Stand.
There is still plenty of time for this to be downsized.  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 10, 2014, 14:10:49 pm
For me, when we need to increase the capacity I would like to see the North & South Stands double in size.

Now I'm not a builder but I wouldn't have thought that was that big of a job?

It's not. Even before the Cardoza reign it was made explicitly clear that is very simple to put another tier on the North/South stands. People won't remember this or will ignore it though.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Iest_ntfc on April 10, 2014, 14:29:01 pm
David Cardoza is at this Football club for 1 reason and 1 reason only.....to make money!!!!


The sooner he builds his houses and gets his money back with some profit and f**ks off the better. He got lucky appointing Colin Calderwood who achieved success on the pitch other than that his reign at the top of the club has been one disaster after another.

We are now in the worst possible position we have ever been on the pitch, as at least back in the 90's we had no money so accepted we were going to be down the bottom. This year we are supposed to have a TOP 6 budget yet we have been in the bottom 2 for over 6 months.

I know lots of people think im being negative with my anti DC rumblings but ive had enough and want the man to leave before its to late.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on April 10, 2014, 14:34:18 pm
David Cardoza is at this Football club for 1 reason and 1 reason only.....to make money!!!!


The sooner he builds his houses and gets his money back with some profit and f**ks off the better. He got lucky appointing Colin Calderwood who achieved success on the pitch other than that his reign at the top of the club has been one disaster after another.

We are now in the worst possible position we have ever been on the pitch, as at least back in the 90's we had no money so accepted we were going to be down the bottom. This year we are supposed to have a TOP 6 budget yet we have been in the bottom 2 for over 6 months.

I know lots of people think im being negative with my anti DC rumblings but ive had enough and want the man to leave before its to late.

And who would you like in his place ???? Also, he provides the budget and the Manager spends it - so if you want to blame someone, blame Aidy Boothroyd, Gary Johnson etc.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 10, 2014, 14:43:28 pm
Question for the club:

As it's cardozas own company doing the building work, how does the price he is charging ntfc compare to industry standard for similar work and will the profit that his firm make be deducted from the debt ntfc owes cardoza? Or is it a nice little extra?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Iest_ntfc on April 10, 2014, 14:47:15 pm
And who would you like in his place ???? Also, he provides the budget and the Manager spends it - so if you want to blame someone, blame Aidy Boothroyd, Gary Johnson etc.

He employed the managers so ultimately the buck stops with him. maybe its time he took more control over how the budget is spent as clearly the people he employs cant be trusted with it.

and as you asked it wont be a popular and would never happen but i'd like Barry Fry to run this club, hes managed a £24 million net profit in player sales at the pish. He knows football and how to run a club


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Iest_ntfc on April 10, 2014, 14:48:46 pm
Question for the club:

As it's cardozas own company doing the building work, how does the price he is charging ntfc compare to industry standard for similar work and will the profit that his firm make be deducted from the debt ntfc owes cardoza? Or is it a nice little extra?

I think we all know the answer to that one....but don't forget he saved the club!!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 10, 2014, 14:59:09 pm
More information thanks to BBC Northampton....

Conference centre going on the west stand, hotel still happening. Option to increase capacity to 15k if needs be in the future.

Don't really get the furore. On the very first plans the West was the one that had the conference centre, that's what's happening now.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 10, 2014, 15:14:19 pm
So how long before architectural drawings and detailed planning permission is submitted? Before the end of the season or after our fate is known? Why bother submitting plans then change them after they are approved?
 If we go down would we then postpone stadium changes and just get on with the houses where the largest return would be?
Who knows and I'm starting not to care either.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Iest_ntfc on April 10, 2014, 15:23:04 pm
So how long before architectural drawings and detailed planning permission is submitted? Before the end of the season or after our fate is known? Why bother submitting plans then change them after they are approved?
 If we go down would we then postpone stadium changes and just get on with the houses where the largest return would be?
Who knows and I'm starting not to care either.



Same here, i'm at about 95% of not giving a ****.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Poggy on April 10, 2014, 15:54:31 pm

We are now in the worst possible position we have ever been on the pitch, as at least back in the 90's we had no money so accepted we were going to be down the bottom. This year we are supposed to have a TOP 6 budget yet we have been in the bottom 2 for over 6 months.


We could have the best budget in the league but it doesn't matter when the direction from the top is so poor.

Like Karl, I also have some serious concerns over how the proposed works have been procured. Has anyone independent of the Contractor been instructed to monitor the works?

If the chairman's handling of a construction project is anything a bad as the way he runs a football club then god help us. 



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 10, 2014, 15:55:40 pm

I know lots of people think im being negative with my anti DC rumblings but ive had enough and want the man to leave before its to late.


Not at all and I think you may be in a sizeable and growing minority. If we lose our league status, the rest doesn't really matter. Our track record of running a successful business isn't great, so don't fancy our chances of making a 24/7 money spinner from a few boxes and prawn sandwiches.
No one would convince me that one person can be so unlucky to recruit so many managers who have failed so badly, some who have enjoyed considerable success before and/or after. It won't have a happy ending. Right, I'm off to slash my wrists.  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NTFC Nut on April 10, 2014, 15:58:43 pm
It's not. Even before the Cardoza reign it was made explicitly clear that is very simple to put another tier on the North/South stands. People won't remember this or will ignore it though.

A mate of my dad's worked on the design of Sixfields back in the early 90s, and my understanding of it is that the north and south stands were always meant to be semi-temporary, and were designed so that the roof could be taken off, a second tier of equal size literally 'bolted on' and then the roof put back on again, at a relatively low cost. That would be an extra 1,600 seats straight away.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 10, 2014, 16:01:51 pm
I want Cardoza out.

He's lost my trust and confidence completely.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Lappo on April 10, 2014, 16:04:45 pm
A mate of my dad's worked on the design of Sixfields back in the early 90s, and my understanding of it is that the north and south stands were always meant to be semi-temporary, and were designed so that the roof could be taken off, a second tier of equal size literally 'bolted on' and then the roof put back on again, at a relatively low cost. That would be an extra 1,600 seats straight away.
Also I heard that the foundations are under the car parks for this to happen. You only have to look at the stands and you can see they are semi-tempory.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on April 10, 2014, 16:15:15 pm
I want Cardoza out.

He's lost my trust and confidence completely.

Complete and utter garbage.

Anyhow, lets talk about more important things like keeping our team in the football league and let the redevelopment take care of itself shall we.   


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 10, 2014, 16:34:22 pm
Complete and utter garbage. 

F*ck off it's my opinion and I have my reasons as do many others.

If you enjoy ineptitude, constant failure, broken promises and being treated with utter contempt then that's your choice.

On the pitch - I will be at all 5 remaining games SUPPORTING the team and players to try and get out of this complete and utter garbage we are in so yes let's maybe try and focus on that for the next few weeks.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Manwork04 on April 10, 2014, 16:36:58 pm
Kingsthorpe wake up buddy your club is being well and truly F~cked, just as I had forseen


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 10, 2014, 16:40:39 pm
Makes sense, we can't fill 7,600, so there's not point in increasing to 10,000 unless fans like seeing rows and rows of empty seats?
Maybe Watford Barnsley Burnley Wigan Millwall etc should reduce the size of their stadia to save money and play football in league 2 for ever more?

Do you have no hope for us ever winning a few promotions? Yeovil, peterboro, Sc***horpe, bury, Gillingham, Crewe, Southend Colchester Port Vale etc have all done it, why cant we?



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 10, 2014, 17:04:12 pm
I cant believe the council handed Cardoza £15 million in cash, telling him to fill his boots and don't worry about getting feed back on what can be done to deliver the very best value as to enhance the football clubs future.

Mackintosh will be sniffing around for votes soon, so have your questions ready for him.

Did anyone else notice Accrington's extension of their terracing? Spookily it contained 6 rows of steps, cost them 50,000 ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on April 10, 2014, 17:10:43 pm
Kingsthorpe wake up buddy your club is being well and truly F~cked, just as I had forseen

If I'd put £8 million of my families money into a football club, I would run it how I wanted and redevelop it how I wanted aswell. Wouldn't you ? 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 10, 2014, 17:11:44 pm
Question for the club:

As it's cardozas own company doing the building work, how does the price he is charging ntfc compare to industry standard for similar work and will the profit that his firm make be deducted from the debt ntfc owes cardoza? Or is it a nice little extra?
Ask him yourself by emailing/writing to the club or face to face at the next fan's forum.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on April 10, 2014, 17:15:15 pm
F*ck off it's my opinion and I have my reasons as do many others.

If you enjoy ineptitude, constant failure, broken promises and being treated with utter contempt then that's your choice.

On the pitch - I will be at all 5 remaining games SUPPORTING the team and players to try and get out of this complete and utter garbage we are in so yes let's maybe try and focus on that for the next few weeks.

And it's my opinion that you are talking garbage, but there we go, I will continue to support the team and worry about the redevelopment next season, when I'm sitting in a lovely stadium for league two level (hopefully). 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 10, 2014, 17:19:17 pm
If I'd put £8 million of my families money into a football club, I would run it how I wanted and redevelop it how I wanted aswell. Wouldn't you ? 

And if I'd put £8m into a club and only got it to second bottom of the football league, how much money would I be looking at coming in from a few boxes, a hotel and a conference centre before my club started to move up the leagues? 15 million? 20 million? More?

If...and its a big if in my opinion, the money does start to come in, then do I take my 8 mill back before more money gets pumped into the playing side? Do I get some money back and then sell up hoping to recoup my total outlay?

There was a club just down the A45 who redeveloped their ground, put in executive boxes, built a fabulous conference centre.........and look where they ended up!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 10, 2014, 17:21:02 pm
Ask him yourself by emailing/writing to the club or face to face at the next fan's forum.
don't need to, the answer (or what they want to tell us) will be on the os as if by magic soon enough like everything else is when people get restless


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 10, 2014, 17:25:46 pm
If I'd ineptly wasted (Maybe ?) £8 million of my families money into a football club, I would run it how I wanted and redevelop it how I wanted aswell. Wouldn't you ? 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 10, 2014, 17:37:06 pm
Well in a few weeks he may well achieve something that no other Cobblers chairman has before.......

Enough anyway, the thought police will be along in numbers soon reminding us how lucky we are.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 10, 2014, 18:22:13 pm
Question for the club:

As it's cardozas own company doing the building work, how does the price he is charging ntfc compare to industry standard for similar work and will the profit that his firm make be deducted from the debt ntfc owes cardoza? Or is it a nice little extra?
The council may know. For reasons that I cannot go into, I am not prepared to use this facility. However, if anybody else is curious, fill ya boots..  ;D
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 10, 2014, 18:47:47 pm
If I'd put £8 million of my families money into a football club, I would run it how I wanted and redevelop it how I wanted aswell. Wouldn't you ? 
Not with Tax payers money you wouldn't! £15 million that belongs to the Town of Northampton.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on April 10, 2014, 18:53:39 pm
I thought the loan was £12m  ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 10, 2014, 19:02:47 pm
I thought the loan was £12m  ???
+ VAT  :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 10, 2014, 21:23:26 pm
It all seems poorly planned out. How much money has been spent on the original plans which now have to be ripped up. Exec boxes and conference facilities are needed and will bring in revenue - how long it will take to recoup the investment is anyone's guess. Only increasing the capacity by 1000 or so seems a little short-sighted and a disappointment. Everything about the club this season has caused concern and after 28 years of support my patience is wearing thin.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 10, 2014, 23:55:51 pm
It all seems poorly planned out. How much money has been spent on the original plans which now have to be ripped up. Exec boxes and conference facilities are needed and will bring in revenue - how long it will take to recoup the investment is anyone's guess. Only increasing the capacity by 1000 or so seems a little short-sighted and a disappointment. Everything about the club this season has caused concern and after 28 years of support my patience is wearing thin.
Hey go easy on the chairman, he's only had 11 years to plan for this.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AbingtonAve on April 11, 2014, 12:01:34 pm
Here's Scun thorpe's new stadium plans including comprehensive public consultation. "We have to get this right for the fans".

Youll have to join the link up due to terribly rude nature of scunnys name

http://www.scun thorpetelegraph.co.uk/say-Sc unthorpe-United-reveal-date-consultation/story-20928179-detail/story.html


FANS of S****horpe United will get a chance to share their opinions of the club’s proposed new stadium at a meeting in a fortnight’s time.

The Iron have announced they will be staging a public consultation in the   Sir Ian Botham Executive Lounge at Glanford Park on Tuesday, April 22 at 7.30pm.

“This will provide an opportunity for fans to come along to see what the club are planning for their new home and to ask any questions,” the club wrote this morning when they were announcing details of the meeting.

Chairman Peter Swann told the Telegraph last month the club were keen to stage such an event to canvass the opinions of supporters and also give them a chance to view the planned development in detail.

■S****horpe United planning 'public consultation' as preparations for new stadium gather pace
■Standing areas could be built at S****horpe United's proposed stadium
■Developers promise S****horpe United fans a ‘striking’ new stadium
■S****horpe United's new £18-million ground set to open in 2015
■Peter Swann: S****horpe United must maintain focus and finish what we've started
S****horpe are hoping to have submitted planning permission for the 12,000 capacity venue, which is also thought to include a hotel and office facilities as part of the development, by the end of this month.

“We’ve got to get things right for the fans," said Swann, when revealing his plans for a consultation.

"We want to talk to them, show them what we’ve got and hopefully they’ll agree and be on board with it, that’s the most important thing.

“Hopefully the proposals we put forward will be very exciting to everybody and provide a very exciting project which will bring jobs and people to the town.”

S****horpe first announced plans to leave Glanford Park, their home for the last 25 years, back in September. No decision has yet been made on the future of the club’s current ground.
 





Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AbingtonAve on April 11, 2014, 12:10:17 pm
P.s I suggest that certain people on here don't look at this artists impression for Scunny's ground it will drive certain people over the edge considering what we are getting.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 11, 2014, 12:10:31 pm
12,000? Not planning for the future.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 11, 2014, 13:37:01 pm
Public consultation and a supporters meeting to discuss their requirements? WTF does that mean, I thought you get given 900 seats like it or lump it ;D

12000 eh! Probably planning a return to the Championship, this a town half the size of Northampton.

I wonder what Cardoza makes of all these other clubs planning for a better future while we rot on the vine playing out of a tiny ground with several greenhouses stuck on top!

Maybe we could have a public consultation as to how best to spend OUR monies and what's best for the club going forward?
Probably too late now anyway.
Just imagine the Saints fans reaction if their new North stand turned out to be six rows of benches and a lick of magnolia! They would go crazy  ;D
Has anyone else noticed the new large supporters bar area has also been axed ;D



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 11, 2014, 13:40:57 pm
P.s I suggest that certain people on here don't look at this artists impression for Scunny's ground it will drive certain people over the edge considering what we are getting.

That's probably a good suggestion, I don't think I can bare to look.

They get 12,000 NEW ground capacity for 18m - we get 900 'bolted-on' seats to the East Stand for 12m.

WE ARE BEING MUGGED OFF.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NaggerPagger on April 11, 2014, 13:47:24 pm
The basic thing is that if you want to support NTFC it’s now confirmed we will be a "division 4" sized club, who will have the odd trip into the league above but god forbid not the league below. We will play in a ground that holds 8000 just about 40% more than our average crowd and this is the level we will stay, the level we have been for the best part of 100 years. This is the size of club we are and as things stand nothing will change. I'm not happy about that, but then is it not my own fault for believing in something that never really was. It certainly wasnt what I signed up for over 30 years ago.
The level of ambition on the field has been clearly set. Now if anyone really expected more or think they deserve more then they need to consider their next step.

  


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 11, 2014, 14:04:59 pm
Public consultation and a supporters meeting to discuss their requirements? WTF does that mean, I thought you get given 900 seats like it or lump it ;D

12000 eh! Probably planning a return to the Championship, this a town half the size of Northampton.

I wonder what Cardoza makes of all these other clubs planning for a better future while we rot on the vine playing out of a tiny ground with several greenhouses stuck on top!

Maybe we could have a public consultation as to how best to spend OUR monies and what's best for the club going forward?
Probably too late now anyway.
Just imagine the Saints fans reaction if their new North stand turned out to be six rows of benches and a lick of magnolia! They would go crazy  ;D
Has anyone else noticed the new large supporters bar area has also been axed ;D



Scunny have always been well run and punched above their weight. Remember the time they bought Billy Sharp from Sheffield United then sold him back to them for a massive profit? We would have done the opposite and lost money on him (although it would have been an undisclosed fee).


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 11, 2014, 14:07:08 pm
Scunny have always been well run and punched above their weight. Remember the time they bought Billy Sharp from Sheffield United then sold him back to them for a massive profit? We would have done the opposite and lost money on him (although it would have been an undisclosed fee).

He wouldn't have scored for us.  :(


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AbingtonAve on April 11, 2014, 14:11:24 pm
If they have abandoned the large supporters bar then that's a joke. They have them all over non-league level. Remember Forest Green?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on April 11, 2014, 15:15:42 pm
That's probably a good suggestion, I don't think I can bare to look.

They get 12,000 NEW ground capacity for 18m - we get 900 'bolted-on' seats to the East Stand for 12m.

WE ARE BEING MUGGED OFF.
What a stunning example of ignorant 'I'll read only what I want from club statements!'

We do NOT get 900 bolted on seats for £12m. We use the enabling funds from the £12m spent on housing, retail units,100 bed hotel etc to finance the  executive boxes in the East and West stand, 900 extra seats, Conference facilities, replacement of current seats, new larger facilities like the changing rooms etc effectively cost free to the club. PLUS future income from the new facilities.

Razor you are wrong!
How would you have financed any expansion?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 11, 2014, 15:25:26 pm
What a stunning example of ignorant 'I'll read only what I want from club statements!'

We do NOT get 900 bolted on seats for £12m. We use the enabling funds from the £12m spent on housing, retail units,100 bed hotel etc to finance the  executive boxes in the East and West stand, 900 extra seats, Conference facilities, replacement of current seats, new larger facilities like the changing rooms etc effectively cost free to the club. PLUS future income from the new facilities.

Razor you are wrong!
How would you have financed any expansion?

If YOU bothered to read MY comments you would have realised I am not taking issue with the way it is being financed.

I AM taking issue with the farcical way the plans are being managed / shevled / changed at the last minute and no one has a fcuking clue what is going on. As people have said, we've waited 11 years to get to this point and now we've chucked it down the drain.

Reduced capacity at the last minute.
Reduced executive boxes.
No conference centre.
No supporters bar.
Planning application to be re-submitted.
No fan/public consultation.
Complete lack of information/transparency/detailed plans for supporters to see.
MORE time wasted getting nowhere.

Who knows if the whole thing will be canned and all we're left with is an oversize dressing room?

It all just smacks of p*ss poor management. Something doesn't add up.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 11, 2014, 15:40:20 pm
What a stunning example of ignorant 'I'll read only what I want from club statements!'

We do NOT get 900 bolted on seats for £12m. We use the enabling funds from the £12m spent on housing, retail units,100 bed hotel etc to finance the  executive boxes in the East and West stand, 900 extra seats, Conference facilities, replacement of current seats, new larger facilities like the changing rooms etc effectively cost free to the club. PLUS future income from the new facilities.

Razor you are wrong!
How would you have financed any expansion?
Razor is spot on, and I think you know it too.

To Answer your question I would have got the stadium fit for purpose, 12000 capacity and some corporate boxes and conferencing.

The enabling has been gifted to us by the council for the use off, which will be paid back when housing is completed, but guess what? We've managed to destroy the opportunity to build a bloody hotel.

If ever something needed calling in, this is it.






Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: teletext on April 11, 2014, 16:00:57 pm
Does anyone have a link where I can read about the revised plans? I have been looking but cannot find anything.

Thanks in advance


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on April 11, 2014, 16:12:28 pm
P.s I suggest that certain people on here don't look at this artists impression for Scunny's ground it will drive certain people over the edge considering what we are getting.


And if Scunny's don't Bristol Rovers new ground will.............

http://www.stokegiffordjournal.co.uk/major-projects/uwe-stadium/


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 11, 2014, 16:25:59 pm
I'm going to go against the grain here and say none of this really bothers me. My total focus is matters on the pitch. I pay my money to watch football or more precisely the Cobblers so where I sit and whether that is in a sea of empty seats or a nice tight compact ground doesn't really concern me.

Despite all the "rumours" on here I haven't seen a single thing in print confirming anything. Nevertheless if it's all true and the capacity is only going up to about 8,500, well that's double what we've needed these past 5 seasons, in fact you have to go back to 1967/8 to find the last time our average attendance exceeded the new capacity and you don't need me to tell you things were very different back then, you went to the football or the rugby, the pub or the pictures and that was about it. Now there are dozens of alternatives to spend your hard earned cash, I seriously doubt we'll ever need a five figured capacity again. If we do happen to get Liverpool or the like in the Cup at home, the club will do what they did last time and raise the prices for those lucky enough to get tickets which will more than compensate for a lack of seats for all those glory hunters that wish to jump on the bandwagon. To warrant the capacity to increase further still we need to be turning people away at the gates and if that happens to be the case in the future then it wont take much to double up the North and South and we'd be able to finance that ourselves from future ticket sales. In fact if I'm honest I'd have rather seen a sort of "Holt End" at the north end of the ground, with terracing included rather than improvements elsewhere but I fully understand the need for the club to increase non-footballing revenue.

Did any of you go to Darlington when there was about 2,000 attendance there? It's horrible, just rows and rows of empty seats. Is that really what everybody wants?

Tomorrow we play Burton and that for me is far more important than all this tittle-tattle and rattling of imaginary sabres. We need to get a result and we all need to come together otherwise we could end up with 2,000 supporters in an 8,000 capacity ground in the Conference. Do you think it would make you feel any better watching that with 10,000 empty seats instead of 6,000? We'd end up with only two stands being open most of the time.

Let Cardoza get on with it. He owns the club and he'll be the one having to pay the loan installments back so it's only right he makes the decisions. If he thought a 12,000 capacity ground was going to attract a 12,000 attendance all paying £22 a ticket he'd do it, he'd have his money back in no time. He knows that isn't going to happen and if you're honest about it so do most of you.

Finally, it's a bit rich for so many of you to say you're not willing to put your hand in your pockets to buy tickets for next season as it depends on what division we are in and what price they are, yet you expect Cardoza to keep bankrolling the club whatever.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 11, 2014, 16:34:06 pm
Was down at the Amex in Brighton last weekend. That's a nice ground, seats fully padded too.

It would be good to see exactly what we are getting, or is it changing by the day? It seems that most (myself including) are confused what is and isn't happening now.
Whilst the extra seats may not currently be required, you can't expect the fans to be excited about a few boxes that most will never get to use.

^^^ he's right though. It is a bit of an unwelcome distraction to the topic that really matters at the moment. The gripes and grievances will no doubt be in full force if the next few weeks don't pan out how we are hoping.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Monty on April 11, 2014, 16:41:59 pm
I'm going to go against the grain here and say none of this really bothers me.
I'm going to go with Marvo here without quoting his entire post. Should it look like we're going up to the championship (optimism overload) then it appears to be reasonably straightforward to increase the capacity of the South stand to cater for the increase in away attendances, so we can cross that bridge when (there's that optimism again) we get to it. If the current redevelopment is bringing in some corporate facilities then that, in my opinion, is a step in the right direction, regardless of how many (if any) more seats are put in.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 11, 2014, 17:01:26 pm
I'm in the Marvo camp.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Clint on April 11, 2014, 17:41:13 pm
I'm inclined to agree with Marvo, too.  We can worry about the stadium etc once know which division we will be in next season. Fingernails chewed to the bone, I will be in the West stand on Saturday cheering the team on, hopefully to a Kelvin Langmead-inspired victory. God willing.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 11, 2014, 17:52:25 pm
I'd like a Holte end style North stand and the roof took off the south stand.
If the plans aren't yet written in stone can we make Sixfields as asymmetrical as possible.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 11, 2014, 17:54:01 pm
What a stunning example of ignorant 'I'll read only what I want from club statements!'

We do NOT get 900 bolted on seats for £12m. We use the enabling funds from the £12m spent on housing, retail units,100 bed hotel etc to finance the  executive boxes in the East and West stand, 900 extra seats, Conference facilities, replacement of current seats, new larger facilities like the changing rooms etc effectively cost free to the club. PLUS future income from the new facilities.

Razor you are wrong!
How would you have financed any expansion?
And all of this extra income. What happens to it? Because if they only expect a maximum  of 8000 to turn up it clearly isnt going on the team


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on April 11, 2014, 17:54:21 pm
Well done Marvo an excellent post, and I agree 100% with everything you have said. Now lets get behind the lads tomorrow and for the rest of the season and get out of the bottom two and stay in the league.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 11, 2014, 18:06:29 pm
Does anyone have a link where I can read about the revised plans? I have been looking but cannot find anything.

Thanks in advance
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-26976696 bbc, one of the biggest news networks in the world


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: West Stand on April 11, 2014, 18:11:57 pm
If YOU bothered to read MY comments you would have realised I am not taking issue with the way it is being financed.

I AM taking issue with the farcical way the plans are being managed / shevled / changed at the last minute and no one has a fcuking clue what is going on. As people have said, we've waited 11 years to get to this point and now we've chucked it down the drain.

Reduced capacity at the last minute.
Reduced executive boxes.
No conference centre.
No supporters bar.
Planning application to be re-submitted.
No fan/public consultation.
Complete lack of information/transparency/detailed plans for supporters to see.
MORE time wasted getting nowhere.

Who knows if the whole thing will be canned and all we're left with is an oversize dressing room?

It all just smacks of p*ss poor management. Something doesn't add up.
Cardoza said on the radio yesterday the conference centre will be behind the West Stand, there was nothing said about there being no conference centre. Also where has it been said/stated there will be no supporters bar?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Wolvo on April 11, 2014, 18:12:10 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-26976696 bbc, one of the biggest news networks in the world

Why ruin speculation with facts?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 11, 2014, 19:47:55 pm
Well done Marvo an excellent post, and I agree 100% with everything you have said. Now lets get behind the lads tomorrow and for the rest of the season and get out of the bottom two and stay in the league.
I have for many decades followed the Cobblers knowing that more often than not we get beat, our players will be the ones no other clubs want and other than my admission fee there's no other way for me to support them financially. Despite all this I didn't mind as I was sure one day we would have a platform from which to challenge to get to and thrive in the 2nd tier of English football.
Well that was until this week.  When questioned by the local press Cardoza, finally admitted there wasn't going to be any major development just a couple of rows of token gesture seats. So even you as a possible club employee going by your totally loyal to the club posts, can see we will forever be a nothing club going nowhere fast.

I will be there tomorrow and  the other games cheering them on as I have since I started going properly in 1970, but for the first time my future expectations will that similar to a Kettering Town or Nuneaton fan.

By the way Kingsthorpe, Marvo was only trying to get a reaction.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NaggerPagger on April 11, 2014, 19:56:36 pm
Hope no doom and gloom merchants watched the build up to the Rotherham game on sky. Highlighted how the stadium has been a factor in the club progressing a fact backed up by the fat MocKney scouser in the studio.




Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on April 11, 2014, 20:27:36 pm
If I'd put £8 million of my families money into a football club, I would run it how I wanted and redevelop it how I wanted aswell. Wouldn't you ? 


The 8 million got us, or rather kept us, in league one nearly ten years ago. In the last six or seven years no money has been put in the club from the Cardozas - unless they are illegally falsifying the public accounts. The debt now stands at £7.45 million and has been for well over five years.
Don't forget that DC's sole income is from the club and he must be drawing a wage that's well over £100k as chairman while he works on the development.
Does anyone know how the Cardozas made their money in the first place? There doesn't seem to be any evidence of any development anywhere.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 11, 2014, 20:59:27 pm
You could always just email David Cardoza and ask him stuff?

Simple really. Or you could moan and make up unsubstantiated rumours?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on April 11, 2014, 21:04:13 pm
The immediate aim must be Football League survival.  But if, and it is still a BIG IF, we achieve safety then then we must turn to the future and proper planning on and off the pitch.  Nothing I have seen David Cardoza do in his tenure at the club instills me with any confidence.  For those of short memory let me remind that in recent times we have twice had the rugby league debacle and only Mr Cardoza will know how much that farce cost the club.  Now we have the chopping & changing of the redevelopment plans and I, amongst many, haven't a clue what are the plans and exactly what is being put in place.  Correction - one thing I have read is about the bigger changing rooms.  Marvellous foresight and planning skills that must have taken to achieve.  Razor is completely right.  Once again the supporters are being treated with contempt.

I don't think David Cardoza can be described as a good businessman by any stretch of the imagination.  From all accounts it is dad who has made the money and it was dad who made the decision to sack Boothroyd.  DC dithered up until that date long after Boothroyd should have been shown the door.  Boothroyd was belatedly jettisoned after the final game before Christmas  but Chris Wilder was not appointed until the last week of January.  When the final chapter for this season is written there is a good chance that we will return to the subject of Dithering Dave and questions will again be asked about his stewardship of the club.  It is the club that has to repay the loans, not the Cardozas, and for those who aren't aware the funds for the softish loans originate from EU funds which are routed from Brussles through the UK Government to their final destination.  To be fair it is the Tory Council Leader, David Mackintosh, who has delivered to a grateful Cardoza.   Full praise to him and this praise is not written by a Tory.  

Most of us are ever present and we are all Marvos at kick off time for the next 90 minutes.  But I do fear for our club, not just for the coming final games but also for its future under the current ownership.  And, like many, I am very tired of the supporters being taken for granted. We were not even consulted about one aspect of the redevelopment.  Shameful.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 11, 2014, 21:17:53 pm
I emailed David Cardoza about a few of the rumours flying around, he's happy for me to share his response...

Below is my initial email and then his response...

Hello,

I just wanted to pop an email to yourself and firstly say how impressed I was by your interview this week, the one about everyone pulling together. I couldn't agree more, lots of stuff has been said over the past few weeks (myself included) but I think the time has come to put everything to one side and really unite to try and help the boys get enough points to stay in the Football League.

Chris Wilder has done a fantastic job so far, under what have been very difficult circumstances. Mr Boothroyd left us in a pretty horrific position and it's huge kudos to Wilder that we are still in with a real shot of survival.

All fans have their thoughts and opinions but I think it's important to remember everybody wants the same thing, the best for the club.

I've read so much waffle on message boards over the past few days, specifically about the redevelopment saga and I think lots of fans have hidden agendas in their comments towards yourself, the club and the process.

I was just hoping you could clarify a couple of items that seem to have been started by the rumour mill...mainly about the redevelopment.

Will there still be an extended supporters bar?

Am I right to think that the conference centre will now be linked to the West Stand? The hotel also?

Also I believe we are looking at boxes in both the East and West stand with slightly less boxes?

I presume/hope we have an option to increase seating in the stands behind the goals?

Personally I can understand that plans change and I think originally you wanted the West as the main stand still and now it seems that is possible.

Would appreciate an answer but understand you probably get hundreds of random emails.

Here's to hoping for three points tomorrow and the road to safety!

Up The Cobblers.

Many Thanks

Neil

*******

Hi Neil

Thanks for getting in touch.  These are stressful times for all of us apart from the person that put us here in his well paid job coaching our country’s future stars! Chris is a breath of fresh air and I have no doubts that we will be in and around the top 7 places next season in League 2.
I have seen some of the comments on the site and I have to say some of the comments are shocking - having spent million of pounds keeping us afloat and to have finally got us to the stage where we will become self sufficient and be able to sustain a very decent wage bill in the coming years I would have expected better.

The upshot is nothing has fundamentally changed with the development except we are moving the conference centre , which will be connected to the west stand and probably the hotel, and we will have less additional seating in the east as we will build some boxes and corporate facilities in the west - we only have a finite amount to spend.

Your questions:

Will there still be an extended supporters bar? Yes - there will be a home and away bar in the west . A large kiosk/bar in the concourse of the east stand and one possibly two bars within the stand.


Am I right to think that the conference centre will now be linked to the West Stand? The hotel also?  Yes for both

Also I believe we are looking at boxes in both the East and West stand with slightly less boxes? 10 - 14 boxes in the east stand - no change there and 3 - 4 large boxes in the west stand which are additional from previous plans.

I presume/hope we have an option to increase seating in the stands behind the goals? Yes definitely when needed.

Any other questions please just ask

Up the Cobblers!

All the best
David


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ntfclad on April 11, 2014, 21:31:25 pm
Top man for replying so quickly, nice little dig at Aidy at the start too!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 11, 2014, 21:35:47 pm
Thanks for posting this Neil, but I do wonder why the club did not issue a statement to this effect, instead of waiting to be asked.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AbingtonAve on April 11, 2014, 21:43:24 pm
This board is only a tiny minority of fans so I'm sure Mr Cardoza is broad shouldered enough to shrug off the criticism. What's clear though is that after the improvement works at the stadium the true test of his chairmanship will come. The current league position is unacceptable and it is reasonable after a string of failed (capable) managers to question whether there is a deeper cause for the malaise.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 11, 2014, 21:48:33 pm
Thanks for getting in touch.  These are stressful times for all of us apart from the person that put us here in his well paid job coaching our country’s future stars!

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on April 11, 2014, 22:18:29 pm
You could always just email David Cardoza and ask him stuff?

Simple really. Or you could moan and make up unsubstantiated rumours?


He could always reply on this forum as he seems to read it regularly.
It would be rude not to.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 11, 2014, 22:20:05 pm
2500 less seats is 'fundamentally nothing has changed' You've got me there!
1 maybe 2 bars, so that's Carrs bar then?

£12 million also known as a finite amount, maybe?

None the wiser I'm afraid  ;D



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 11, 2014, 22:27:09 pm
Well done DSL and also to DC ftor replying, and I think that's probably as much as we could expect from the chairman.
But i don't agree with him criticizing Boothroyd because he employed him, and we will have to wait and see If the 12 million is well spent.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 11, 2014, 22:35:00 pm
2500 less seats is 'fundamentally nothing has changed' You've got me there!
1 maybe 2 bars, so that's Carrs bar then?

£12 million also known as a finite amount, maybe?

None the wiser I'm afraid  ;D



I don't know much about you EXCEPT that your Maths ain't up to much.

10,000 - 8,500 = 1,500.  ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 11, 2014, 22:43:57 pm
I don't know much about you EXCEPT that your Maths ain't up to much.

10,000 - 8,500 = 1,500.  ::)
  we're both ****e a maths 400 Extra seats making it 8000, so its 2000 lost in the seat cull >:D



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on April 11, 2014, 22:50:06 pm
[These are stressful times for all of us apart from the person that put us here in his well paid job coaching our country’s future stars! ]

That's rather unfair considering DC sacked AB and wished him well for the future.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 11, 2014, 22:59:39 pm
He could always reply on this forum as he seems to read it regularly.
He does. He admitted it to me in one of the Chronicles open forums.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on April 11, 2014, 23:13:47 pm
He does. He admitted it to me in one of the Chronicles open forums.


Is he shoemaker?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 11, 2014, 23:23:19 pm
Is he shoemaker?
I doubt it. In fact I think I know his user name on here.  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on April 11, 2014, 23:47:15 pm
I doubt it. In fact I think I know his user name on here.  ;)

Ok here's some questions for him/you.

1. How did the Cardoza family make your money?
2. How much money has been put into the club from the Cardozas in the last five years?
3. How much do you draw as a wage as chairman from NTFC each year?

I think they are fair questions any Cobblers fan would want to know the answers.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 12, 2014, 00:33:16 am
Ok here's some questions for him/you.

1. How did the Cardoza family make your money?
2. How much money has been put into the club from the Cardozas in the last five years?
3. How much do you draw as a wage as chairman from NTFC each year?

I think they are fair questions any Cobblers fan would want to know the answers.

...'like' to know the answers... ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 12, 2014, 05:32:29 am
...'like' to know the answers... ;)
I don't care what Kingsthorpe cobbler   :afro takes as a salary, just do your best for our club.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 12, 2014, 07:11:40 am
Ok here's some questions for him/you.

1. How did the Cardoza family make your money?
2. How much money has been put into the club from the Cardozas in the last five years?
3. How much do you draw as a wage as chairman from NTFC each year?

I think they are fair questions any Cobblers fan would want to know the answers.

1. None of my business.
2. None of my business.
3. None of my business.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Tony Clarke on April 12, 2014, 13:43:52 pm
TFAMH, my view for what it is worth, although it has now been 4yrs since I last worked for the club.

For me 12,500 was always the target for expansion on a reduced budget. I can't understand how £12m equates to just 847 extra seats! The sums don't add up

That works out at about £17,500 per extra seat, I appreciate that we need more corporate space but we will still be in a position of selling out even in League Two in a promotion season and/or a good home cup draw.

For me anything less than 10,000 just isn't worth the money and just isn't worth doing, particularly at the cost of such high borrowing although you hope that this is to be repaid from the rest of the prefirory development


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 12, 2014, 14:00:25 pm
I can remember suggesting to Tcmp as  a temporary measure, that we put  while we wait several more years boxes on a raised platform, I was told not worth it and wait for the the redevelopment. Funny after all these years this is what we're getting dressed as 'The development'..
Not good enough, go back to the drawing board.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Carlo Corazzins Corduroy on April 12, 2014, 14:05:58 pm
Any more seats are a waste of money regardless.

In the past decade when have we ever sold out? Man Utd in the cup. Then possibly one of the play-off semi-finals, Southend?

So an extra 2,500 seats enables an additional £50,000 for every potential sell-out. It would be decades before we're anywhere near reclaming that money.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 12, 2014, 14:17:31 pm
The united cup tie alone would have made how much?, given the availability of seating? As many as you could sell.

10 years and they STILL don't know what they're doing. My signature is as right today as it's ever been.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 12, 2014, 15:04:10 pm
TFAMH, my view for what it is worth, although it has now been 4yrs since I last worked for the club.

For me 12,500 was always the target for expansion on a reduced budget. I can't understand how £12m equates to just 847 extra seats! The sums don't add up

That works out at about £17,500 per extra seat, I appreciate that we need more corporate space but we will still be in a position of selling out even in League Two in a promotion season and/or a good home cup draw.

For me anything less than 10,000 just isn't worth the money and just isn't worth doing, particularly at the cost of such high borrowing although you hope that this is to be repaid from the rest of the prefirory development

Well said. 8,500 capacity. A nice little non-league ground.

On a side note, and excuse me if this has already been covered, but at the end of all the building works to the surrounding areas, will the debt owed to Big Dave (7.45 million?) have been cleared?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 12, 2014, 15:17:34 pm
What happens to the area at the back of the East Stand for disabled fans that we were all so proud of?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 12, 2014, 15:55:47 pm
Any more seats are a waste of money regardless.

In the past decade when have we ever sold out? Man Utd in the cup. Then possibly one of the play-off semi-finals, Southend?

So an extra 2,500 seats enables an additional £50,000 for every potential sell-out. It would be decades before we're anywhere near reclaming that money.

You're missing a point: Over the years the club has lost thousands due to the inability for people to just 'walk up' and pay at the gate for perceived big games. People will often decide on the day that they'd like to go and watch the football, but are put off by being uncertain they'd get in (although maybe not so much over the last few years >:D).
What is the point, having waited so long, not to at least stick with the original expansion plans? I'm not suggesting that we need a mega-stadium, but 9,500 - 13,500 would seem a more realistic ambition for a club with a 'five year plan' to achieve Championship football, wouldn't it?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 12, 2014, 16:01:31 pm
That's probably a good suggestion, I don't think I can bare to look.

They get 12,000 NEW ground capacity for 18m - we get 900 'bolted-on' seats to the East Stand for 12m.

WE ARE BEING MUGGED OFF.

Was our building work put out to tender? >:D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Carlo Corazzins Corduroy on April 12, 2014, 16:11:50 pm
The united cup tie alone would have made how much?, given the availability of seating? As many as you could sell.

10 years and they STILL don't know what they're doing. My signature is as right today as it's ever been.

£50,000 more than what we did. How many times have we played United? How many times would we have to play them to make a return on the investment?

We don't sell-out for Play-Off games. We don't sell out in League One matches. The only time we need more than 7,500 seats is if we reach the Championship or the once in ten years cup tie against a top four PL club.

You're missing a point: Over the years the club has lost thousands due to the inability for people to just 'walk up' and pay at the gate for perceived big games. People will often decide on the day that they'd like to go and watch the football, but are put off by being uncertain they'd get in (although maybe not so much over the last few years >:D).
What is the point, having waited so long, not to at least stick with the original expansion plans? I'm not suggesting that we need a mega-stadium, but 9,500 - 13,500 would seem a more realistic ambition for a club with a 'five year plan' to achieve Championship football, wouldn't it?

If we've only sold out twice in the past ten years, we've lost out on £100,000. £12m investment for a £100k return is laughable.

If we were anywhere near the Championship I'd agree it was a worthwhile investment. Maybe if it occurred the season after we finished 9th with Gray. But we're so far away from that now. We've not been in the 2nd tier for just under 50 years. The chances of that changing within the next 5 years is very slim.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 12, 2014, 16:21:50 pm
And all of this extra income. What happens to it? Because if they only expect a maximum  of 8000 to turn up it clearly isnt going on the team

A valid observation.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 12, 2014, 16:29:20 pm
£50,000 more than what we did. How many times have we played United? How many times would we have to play them to make a return on the investment?

We don't sell-out for Play-Off games. We don't sell out in League One matches. The only time we need more than 7,500 seats is if we reach the Championship or the once in ten years cup tie against a top four PL club.

If we've only sold out twice in the past ten years, we've lost out on £100,000. £12m investment for a £100k return is laughable.

If we were anywhere near the Championship I'd agree it was a worthwhile investment. Maybe if it occurred the season after we finished 9th with Gray. But we're so far away from that now. We've not been in the 2nd tier for just under 50 years. The chances of that changing within the next 5 years is very slim.

1.It wasn't £50,000 because DC hiked the prices.
2.I never mentioned selling out. I mentioned 'walk up' customers being deterred.

Cardoza's latest revelation has revealed that for 12 million we are getting our capacity increased by almost 900. Forget the other works, because whichever way you paint it 12 million for 900 seats is ridiculous.
It shows a total lack of ambition on the clubs behalf.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Tony Clarke on April 12, 2014, 17:46:51 pm
First if all a great win today, well deserved by the team.

As to redevelopment and figures, the reason I have always advocated 12,500 is that a) I trust in good times that we can sell at least 10,000 home tickets and b) you have to allow for 2500 away fans if you are to make good gate money from an away crowd. How many would Portsmouth sell at our next hone game given the chance?



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Tony Clarke on April 12, 2014, 17:49:27 pm
Oops, sorry jollycobbler forgot to answer, no the debt of £7.5m would not be paid as this is separate to the development loan which is to paid for from other developments around the stadium.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 12, 2014, 17:53:56 pm
Cardoza said it would be 8k or 8.5, so read as 8  that is just an extra 400 seats... Maketh redevelopment not  ;D



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 12, 2014, 17:55:43 pm
First if all a great win today, well deserved by the team.

As to redevelopment and figures, the reason I have always advocated 12,500 is that a) I trust in good times that we can sell at least 10,000 home tickets and b) you have to allow for 2500 away fans if you are to make good gate money from an away crowd. How many would Portsmouth sell at our next hone game given the chance?



I agree. When clubs such as Southend and Sc***horpe are building stadiums which outshine ours, then it sort of outlines just what the future may hold. When Sixfields opened it met our needs, albeit the original 11,000 seater would have been preferable. But honestly, to take on a loan of 12 million, and then to be talking about upgrading to 8,500 capacity? Farcical.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 12, 2014, 17:57:06 pm
If we'd won the playoff final maybe Wolves would have run a campaign of 1.2k to Sixfields alongside 10k2MK. Sheffield Utd, MK, Posh etc etc all more than capable of having custom turned away by us. If we'd won that is.
If NBC were doing the building work would Kier have got the tender?!
Of the £12million how much is actually being spent on the ground as opposed to the other components?
Anyone still got a "let's move the Cobblers to Brackmills" car sticker?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 12, 2014, 17:58:48 pm
Oops, sorry jollycobbler forgot to answer, no the debt of £7.5m would not be paid as this is separate to the development loan which is to paid for from other developments around the stadium.

That is worrying. So we are currently 20 million in debt, yes? And even after the magnificent expansion(?) is paid for, we will still owe millions?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobbler_rob on April 12, 2014, 18:01:07 pm
If there is a budget to spend on this redevelopment (£12million) then which are you going to spend it on, more boxes which bring in more money every week, or extra seats that will remain empty for 95% of the time? If we start climbing the leagues as a result of better budget for the squad then I see no reason why the north and south stands could then not be increased


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 12, 2014, 18:04:36 pm
For fucks sake, shut up until the season is over, you'll have three months to whinge and whine about the redevelopment with no football to obstruct your polluted view. Now is NOT the time!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 12, 2014, 18:05:41 pm
It's not totally about selling out, it's about how many times in the past, in our better seasons, we could have accommodated a considerable number of extra away fans.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 12, 2014, 18:06:59 pm
For fucks sake, shut up until the season is over, you'll have three months to whinge and whine about the redevelopment with no football to obstruct your polluted view. Now is NOT the time!

It'll be too late to voice concerns by then. If you don't like it don't read it. Simples.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 12, 2014, 18:11:53 pm
It'll be too late to voice concerns by then. If you don't like it don't read it. Simples.

Three weeks? Are you fucking joking?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 12, 2014, 18:18:34 pm
Three weeks? Are you fucking joking?

Your opinion is that you don't wish to discuss the expansion(?). So don't. If other people choose to do so, what the **** as it got to do with you? It is a public messageboard, isn't it?
People are allowed opinions. It is not Marvoworld. If you don't like it don't read it. Now **** off >:D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 12, 2014, 18:20:25 pm
As long as you realise you're not likely to change much, discuss away.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 12, 2014, 18:25:22 pm
As long as you realise you're not likely to change much, discuss away.

Of course. I think much of the world works in this way ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 12, 2014, 18:35:50 pm
It's not totally about selling out, it's about how many times in the past, in our better seasons, we could have accommodated a considerable number of extra away fans.

Very minimal compared to the amount of times we could have 10-16 boxes filled out.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 12, 2014, 18:44:16 pm
Your opinion is that you don't wish to discuss the expansion(?). So don't. If other people choose to do so, what the **** as it got to do with you? It is a public messageboard, isn't it?
People are allowed opinions. It is not Marvoworld. If you don't like it don't read it. Now **** off >:D

It's not that I do not wish to discuss it, I've told you my opinion several times before on the matter, but there is a time and a place and this is not it.  Why undermine the team with only three weeks to go in what is a momentous season? You will have 3 months to speak your mind during the summer, I would imagine that is 2 months, 30 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes more than you need.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Another Pedj on April 12, 2014, 18:50:39 pm
It's very rare for me to agree with Marvo,but he is right. Concentrate on survival and then we can go back to discussing this after the end of the season particularly as most of the comments are just speculation anyway.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on April 12, 2014, 19:08:50 pm
For fucks sake, shut up until the season is over, you'll have three months to whinge and whine about the redevelopment with no football to obstruct your polluted view. Now is NOT the time!

Blimey, is the Cobs survival taking up so much of your time? I've managed to hold down a full time job despite the distractions.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 12, 2014, 19:30:09 pm
Blimey, is the Cobs survival taking up so much of your time? I've managed to hold down a full time job despite the distractions.

Your last six posts have been about the redevelopment and it's been 13 posts since you mentioned events on the field. I think your priorities are there for all to see.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on April 12, 2014, 20:21:02 pm
Your last six posts have been about the redevelopment and it's been 13 posts since you mentioned events on the field. I think your priorities are there for all to see.

Fair point, but you must admit that post 13 times ago about Sinclair was pretty good. You are right, I ought to do more like that.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 12, 2014, 21:12:17 pm
Pretty sure most fans can discuss the redevelopment issues on this thread AND manage to talk about the team on others. It's quite a good forum for that. ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Alfred on April 12, 2014, 21:34:48 pm
Why won't people on here acknowledge that we are getting all the internal works, boxes,  a conference centre and a hotel as well as a few extra seats as part of the development ??

Corporate makes money 365 days a year ... extra seats would currently make money 5 times a year max.

As and when we need extra seats 4 the championship we can build a new north stand.

The redevelopment is about corporate income not more empty seats.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TopCat on April 13, 2014, 01:14:25 am
Why won't people on here acknowledge that we are getting all the internal works, boxes,  a conference centre and a hotel as well as a few extra seats as part of the development ??

Corporate makes money 365 days a year ... extra seats would currently make money 5 times a year max.

As and when we need extra seats 4 the championship we can build a new north stand.

The redevelopment is about corporate income not more empty seats.

Haleeluya!!! Agree 1000% This is about a business model that will increase our playing budget year on year. Well done DC and all those like Alfred & Marvo who see the big picture. Who cares if the plans have changed a bit. They have only changed because we can get better facilities after the new planners worked thier magic!!

BTW - It's all about the footy boys. Marquis was awesome today and I reckon Wycombe will be blown away by our vocal support.....bring it on  :D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: SteveRiches on April 13, 2014, 07:14:39 am
I can understand both points of view regarding use of the borrowed money but my worry is as follows:-
If we increase capacity to around 10,000 then it is a statement of intent about what happens on the field of play, and a commitment to improved footballing standards which will begin to fill the seats. If we spend the money instead on space for corporate entertaining, and events hire. and off-the-field income the other argument is that this extra income will eventually find its way back into improving the playing squad and thus the football on offer, and IF that happens then that's good too. My worry is this: Cardoza is desperate to sell the club should he get the right offer...extra seats do not make us a saleable asset, but off-the-field income stream does. Further, he needs to get his family's money back over a period of time if he can't sell up (and I have no problem with that, it's their money) then income from off-the-field activities can legally be diverted to the family's bank account, irrespective of what division we're in or whether or not the actual football is attractive for supporters. If I were to be Cardoza, having thrown millions of pounds at an attempt at reaching the Championship and getting it so wrong that we are facing the possibility of dropping out of the Football League, (God forbid and hopefully not) I'd be thinking "Why should I be spending this massive interest free one-off loan on more space for spectators watching higher league football when I've already messed that idea up on a regular basis? I'll create a situation instead where I can get that money back over a period of time from off-the-field income from a hotel, corporate and public room hire, and other commercial use of my leased space."
Maybe other posters are correct, that in fact he will invest most income on building a better playing side...but if I were to be him I'd no longer be altruistic or driven by a wish for better football, I'd be totally focused on grabbing back as much of my money as I could while what happens on the pitch is no longer central to plans.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 13, 2014, 08:03:08 am
Except the higher the league were in the more you can charge for corporate stuff/sell the club for.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Montgomery Eypoke III on April 13, 2014, 08:23:03 am
I've said the same all along. Cardoza is a businessman. He has no. History or affiliation with the club and came here to make money pure and simple. I have absolutely no problem with that. The original plan was that the playing side would benefit massively as a result and therefore everyone was to be a winner.

It didn't happen that way. Logic dictates that he needs and will want to get his money back and get out as soon as he possibly can. Again fully understandable. This move with the ground certainly appears to be much more about recouping losses than advancing the club.

It's a shame and feels very much like another missed opportunity for us as a club. Another time we will look back on say if only we'd done that properly back then.

However as long as he does not threaten the future existence or complete financial stability of the club then he is fully entitled to make whatever decisions he likes.

In complete honesty, from an outside perspective he has always acted with great integrity up to this point and I personally would like to think that he would be unwilling to completely f@ck us over at any point. £7 million pounds is a lot of money though.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 13, 2014, 08:33:23 am
I worked in construction for a fair few years and my understanding is that you submit plans to the council ,they get reviewed and approved , you then start build what has been approved. If you want to vary from that , you re submit the revised plans to the council and go through the process again. If what you are altering is only internal then you do not have to re submit plans , so is that what we are doing? But if your losing seats out the West to accommodate boxes ,where is the increased capacity coming from ?
    Some people have said "If we are successful in the future extend the North Stand" that's OK but where will the money come from?
    


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 13, 2014, 08:52:28 am
I worked in construction for a fair few years and my understanding is that you submit plans to the council ,they get reviewed and approved , you then start build what has been approved. If you want to vary from that , you re submit the revised plans to the council and go through the process again. If what you are altering is only internal then you do not have to re submit plans , so is that what we are doing? But if your losing seats out the West to accommodate boxes ,where is the increased capacity coming from ?
    Some people have said "If we are successful in the future extend the North Stand" that's OK but where will the money come from?
    
The seats being lost in the west will be compensated for by the increased east won't they? If it makes financial sense to expand the south/north ie we are in a higher league and need bigger stands then maybe it'll happen.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 13, 2014, 10:32:39 am
I worked in construction for a fair few years and my understanding is that you submit plans to the council ,they get reviewed and approved , you then start build what has been approved. If you want to vary from that , you re submit the revised plans to the council and go through the process again. If what you are altering is only internal then you do not have to re submit plans , so is that what we are doing? But if your losing seats out the West to accommodate boxes ,where is the increased capacity coming from ?
    Some people have said "If we are successful in the future extend the North Stand" that's OK but where will the money come from?
    

We are all working on guess work at the moment, my guess is that the West will be bigger so we won't actually lose seats we will just have boxes behind the back row as it stands at the moment. Cardoza has said in one of the interviews that plans have been re submitted for the West so it could be structural change as it would have to be to go further back toward the steps. I've heard a further 6 rows being added on the East so this would probably accommodate the increase in capacity as the boxes themselves don't increase stadium capacity as I assume they will be allocated a seat in front of their box.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 13, 2014, 11:21:55 am
Cardoza said himself that he's putting in just 400 seats, capacity being raised from 7600 to 8000.

Boxes are to be situated on top of a platform built just behind the east, so its modeled on that ridiculous looking row of boxes at Luton, these will have a few rows of benches in front of each, thus giving the paltry extra capacity.

If We fail to expand the ground now that we have the council funding we will never get the chance again.
And with it  can forget any hopes of a couple of promotions in all our life times.

But the wishes of the fans has to be considered, some who have little ambition for the club to become a progressive well promoted  club to the town and counties 680,000 population, happy to continually watching lower league football, but I for one am fed up of it.

 The hotel, conferencing and corporate boxes will bring extra money in for sure but I want ground fit for purpose, that is one in which allows a club to grow, the abomination presented to us on Wednesday kills of all hope, unless a future legally binding contract that states funds will be made available to give us a ground fit for the championship, then its never going to happen.
 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 13, 2014, 11:23:11 am
Pretty sure most fans can discuss the redevelopment issues on this thread AND manage to talk about the team on others. It's quite a good forum for that. ;D

Obviously some of the more elderly members are unable to multi-task ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Alfred on April 13, 2014, 13:15:51 pm
I worked in construction for a fair few years and my understanding is that you submit plans to the council ,they get reviewed and approved , you then start build what has been approved. If you want to vary from that , you re submit the revised plans to the council and go through the process again. If what you are altering is only internal then you do not have to re submit plans , so is that what we are doing? But if your losing seats out the West to accommodate boxes ,where is the increased capacity coming from ?
    Some people have said "If we are successful in the future extend the North Stand" that's OK but where will the money come from?
    

The money would come from being successful and ultimately selling the extra seats .... and the TV money from being in the championship

The day we have a constant needs for 8001 seats is the day to worry about seats

Lots of people using the word IF  .... relax and moan when it's finished .... at least then you will know what your actually moaning about

Moaning about speculation now won't change anything


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 13, 2014, 14:53:01 pm
It seems to me that this all boils down to a matter of trust. Either you trust Cardoza to do his best for the club or you don't, there appears to be little grey area.

I trust him but then again it's in my nature to do so, people tend to judge by their own standards. If your viewpoint always is "What's in it for me" when something occurs then you're going to suspect everybody else of looking at it in the same manner. As Steve Riches readily admits, he'd be "totally focused on grabbing back as much of my money as I could" which when you consider he is a lifelong Cobblers fan pretty much says it all.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 13, 2014, 15:49:38 pm
No trust?

I'm not sure the world could work like that.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 13, 2014, 16:35:19 pm
I don't get it.

We started as a club with a £7 million debt (give or take) and then Cardoza took over, paid the bills and basically now owes himself £7 million from a company he owns. So he does a property deal and somehow out of a £12 million loan he manages to squeeze his £7 million back (if anybody knows how you make a £7 million profit from a £12 million outlay please share), then according to some he departs stage left.

So now we're a club without a chairman, without debt and a stadium that's a little bit bigger, a little bit better and a little bit nicer. So where's the downside?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 13, 2014, 16:47:30 pm
wow for somebody that wants to stop talking about redevelopment you don't half go on about it!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 13, 2014, 17:10:43 pm
I would like to know when the next revision is due and what can we expect? This is probably total nonsense but due to no clarification I can only guess to what's happening...

Timeline as far as I remember is as follows, please correct any wrong information.

1st proposal..Nice development of all stands with 17500 capacity.

Rev1.  Reduction to 15000.

Rev 2,  huge west stand and 3 small stands capacity reduced to 10,000.


Rev 3 Extra 10 rows behind East stand conferencing now going behind, boxes on top, capacity remains 10,000. ( I would be happy with this! But...)

Rev 4,  just a row of boxes on stilts with a few benched in front, 400 extra seats making capacity just 8000!

Rev 5, tbc. But i Suspect 12 million gone on hotel fittings and fixtures, nothing left for stadium.

Can anyone see why I think this is becoming a farce.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 13, 2014, 17:13:52 pm
Come on now, he's only had 10 years to work this out. Give him a chance!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 13, 2014, 17:17:40 pm
wow for somebody that wants to stop talking about redevelopment you don't half go on about it!

I don't mind talking about it positively, it's the negativity I object to.  ;D

Anyway, no more League 2 football until next Friday and with us winning on the pitch, this place will be as quiet as a mouse, wearing a pair of slippers, walking on a mattress, in a one mouse submarine, lying on the bottom of the ocean, next to the black box of that plane that went missing.

Truth be told, I'm bored.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 13, 2014, 17:44:46 pm
I'm glad you've cleared it up, only allowed to discuss the development if it's positive, no concerns allowed to be voiced.

It does seem like a massive missed opportunity (based on rumours) for the horrendous case of Darlington look at, Swansea, hull, stoke, Brighton, Rotherham, reading, Wigan, all teams that wouldn't be where they are without their "ambitious" plans.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 13, 2014, 18:07:53 pm
I don't mind talking about it positively, it's the negativity I object to.  ;D

Anyway, no more League 2 football until next Friday and with us winning on the pitch, this place will be as quiet as a mouse, wearing a pair of slippers, walking on a mattress, in a one mouse submarine, lying on the bottom of the ocean, next to the black box of that plane that went missing.

Truth be told, I'm bored.
I've told you previously Marvo, the plane is in my arse pocket.
I'm not at the bottom of the ocean, and there's no mice anywhere near me.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 13, 2014, 18:16:04 pm
What flavour J20 are you?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 13, 2014, 18:21:36 pm
I don't see any issue with people questioning things or seeking clarification. What I do find slightly odd is that people want to make up bollocks just to give their argument more weight, what's the point?

It's no wonder we flounder around so much when we have so many rumour starters talking absolute bollocks.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 13, 2014, 18:37:10 pm
What flavour J20 are you?
Carling or Stella normally, though sometimes Chilean Merlot.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 13, 2014, 19:01:14 pm
Anyone, literally anyone!

I'd expect him to know more about what is happening currently. Sbeds seems obsessed about stilts and no supporters bar!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: New Dawn Fades on April 13, 2014, 19:06:28 pm
I agree with the truth.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 13, 2014, 19:10:17 pm
I've actually heard there are plans to extend the stands behind the goals in 2016 anyway so half of this conversation is irrelevant!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 13, 2014, 19:54:32 pm
I've actually heard there are plans to extend the stands behind the goals in 2016 anyway so half of this conversation is irrelevant!

Hardly. What you've heard currently counts for nothing. Or didn't you once hear something about a five year plan? Look how that turned out.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 13, 2014, 19:56:04 pm
Hardly. What you've heard currently counts for nothing. Or didn't you once hear something about a five year plan? Look how that turned out.

Exactly!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 13, 2014, 20:11:06 pm
I don't get it.

We started as a club with a £7 million debt (give or take) and then Cardoza took over, paid the bills and basically now owes himself £7 million from a company he owns. So he does a property deal and somehow out of a £12 million loan he manages to squeeze his £7 million back (if anybody knows how you make a £7 million profit from a £12 million outlay please share), then according to some he departs stage left.

So now we're a club without a chairman, without debt and a stadium that's a little bit bigger, a little bit better and a little bit nicer. So where's the downside?


1. Closer to £970 thousand, actually.
2. According to Tony Clarke the £7 million is unlikely to be repaid from monies gained via the works.
3. There is money to be made from any project of this size, how much depends on a number of unknown variables. Does David Cardoza have any direct ties into the companies carrying out the works? I don't know, do you?

Just to be clear: after the grief DC has taken with getting this project up and running, good luck to him in making a buck - and then some. But if we, as a club, end up spent out in an 8,500 capacity ground, then we'll always remain small fry. Please don't say "that's all we've ever been."
We finally have the opportunity to put down a marker of intent; ending up with a ground that is not even on a par with clubs such as Shewsbury, Southend, Sc***horpe - clubs of a similar stature to ourselves - will leave us labeled as perennial fourth division small fry.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: nn2cobbler on April 13, 2014, 20:39:14 pm
Does David Cardoza have any direct ties into the companies carrying out the works? I don't know, do you ?

County Developments (Northampton) Limited was registered on 28 Jun 2013 with its registered office in Herts. The business has a status listed as "Live" and it currently has 4 directors. It was founded by Mr David Anthony Cardoza, Mr Marcus Grossman, Mr Simon Lyndon Patnick, Mr Anthony Cardoza. County Developments (Northampton) Limited has no subsidiaries.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 13, 2014, 20:53:53 pm
I'm off to bed now, early start, but have you noticed how we only believe what we want to believe, we only read the bits we want to read and we only accept the arguments and points of those that agree with us.

Sad in it?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 13, 2014, 22:44:07 pm
If We fail to expand the ground now that we have the council funding we will never get the chance again.
And with it  can forget any hopes of a couple of promotions in all our life times.
You get promoted based on league performance not stadium capacity.
Surely if we are on a sounder financial footing as a result of the boxes bringing more income in than we currently get, especially under ffp rules, then we have a better chance of promotion.

Who knows, that's the problem with being a football fan, you're emotionally invested in something that is in the hands of whoever happens to be paying the bills at the time.

One things for sure though, the pr at the club is shocking. An important rule in business is to under promise and over deliver. The news that comes out of the club always does the opposite. 5 year plan, 12,000+ seater stadium, bid to resign Bayo etc. They just shouldn't make these statements and get people's hopes up unless its 100% going to happen as it just leaves everyone underwhelmed and frustrated when it doesn't.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 13, 2014, 22:47:56 pm
I think that is exactly what the frustration is.
If it had only ever been announced that it was just boxes and corporate facilities being added there wouldn't be such disappointment about lack of increased capacity.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on April 13, 2014, 23:02:44 pm
If I put £7 million in a fruit machine and it didn't pay out I wouldn't claim it as my machine. I would step aside and let someone else have a go.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 13, 2014, 23:08:48 pm
You get promoted based on league performance not stadium capacity.
Surely if we are on a sounder financial footing as a result of the boxes bringing more income in than we currently get, especially under ffp rules, then we have a better chance of promotion.

Who knows, that's the problem with being a football fan, you're emotionally invested in something that is in the hands of whoever happens to be paying the bills at the time.

One things for sure though, the pr at the club is shocking. An important rule in business is to under promise and over deliver. The news that comes out of the club always does the opposite. 5 year plan, 12,000+ seater stadium, bid to resign Bayo etc. They just shouldn't make these statements and get people's hopes up unless its 100% going to happen as it just leaves everyone underwhelmed and frustrated when it doesn't.
If capacity is not a requirement to successful trading, why has every club with an once of ambition all seem to have stadium that can accommodate enough supporters to compete in the championship and satisfy the demands of larger clubs away followings????? Are we going to buck the trend and play on the fricking racecourse.

Why did cardoza announce in earlier ground plans enough capacity to compete with your Brentford's, Swindons, Peterboros, Rotherhams etc etc and now we're going toe to toe with Accrington, Morecambe and dag reds?

I'll tell you why, he knows without a fit for purpose ground we're nothing and will stay that way.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 13, 2014, 23:14:14 pm
I think that one of the major problems in the PR department, is releasing images such as this, and then turning round a few weeks later, and saying : we have changed our minds. Its not going to look like that at all. Thats what p1sses people off.

(http://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk/images/imgstore/436_ot2nmnssib.jpg)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 13, 2014, 23:26:43 pm
If capacity is not a requirement to successful trading, why has every club with an once of ambition all seem to have stadium that can accommodate enough supporters to compete in the championship and satisfy the demands of larger clubs away followings????? Are we going to buck the trend and play on the fricking racecourse.

Why did cardoza announce in earlier ground plans enough capacity to compete with your Brentford's, Swindons, Peterboros, Rotherhams etc etc and now we're going toe to toe with Accrington, Morecambe and dag reds?

I'll tell you why, he knows without a fit for purpose ground we're nothing and will stay that way.

Ask yourself this: If we'd been promoted and were playing in League one this season, how many clubs would have brought +2000 fans to Sixfields (capacity allowing). Seven, maybe?
Then suppose we'd been pushing for play-offs. That would have been seven games which sold out. But, more importantly, an expanded stadium signals the intention of the club to progress itself. The latest plans do not.
I live in hope that, should we stay up, David Cardoza will have yet another rethink :-[


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 13, 2014, 23:30:37 pm
I think that one of the major problems in the PR department, is releasing images such as this, and then turning round a few weeks later, and saying : we have changed our minds. Its not going to look like that at all. Thats what p1sses people off.

(http://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk/images/imgstore/436_ot2nmnssib.jpg)

Absolutely. You can't imagine the Saints managing their affairs in such a way. :-X


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 13, 2014, 23:36:08 pm

I live in hope that, should we stay up, David Cardoza will have yet another rethink :-[
Call me cynical if you like, but I doubt it. There have been far too many false dawns, and unfulfilled promises.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Coolcat on April 13, 2014, 23:41:28 pm
I've actually heard there are plans to extend the stands behind the goals in 2016 anyway so half of this conversation conversion is irrelevant!

 ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on April 14, 2014, 01:36:45 am
I agree with the truth.
You can't handle the truth..

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Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 14, 2014, 07:57:32 am
But, more importantly, an expanded stadium signals the intention of the club to progress itself.

Darlington


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on April 14, 2014, 08:04:58 am
So due to the Darlington experience all redevelopment plans should be scrapped?!!

Contra Swansea and consider why that club is in the Premier League and not fighting for L2 survival.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 14, 2014, 10:05:12 am
Im not going to say what I think of what is happening at the moment because frankly, until I've seen the new look stadium, what we've got for our money etc...its very difficult to judge anything. For instance, IF these improvements are going to generate a significant revenue stream over and above board more seats in the next 2 - 3 years then thats fine by me. Obviously I have major doubts that this will be the case in real terms, however I just want to see the season out first and thats quite frankly the only thing Im concerned about in the next 2 - 3 weeks....football league survival.

Moving on from that though, it is my belief that unless we ever get a decent sized stadium (i.e. 12000 plus) we are never going to become a seriously league1 player let alone a championship one. The reason I say this is because its the 'big games' that pull in new supporters. For instance, how many of my generation still support NTFC on the back of the Carr glory spell? Or even the spell under Atkins?

Look at it this way. We get roughly 4-4500 home fans at a game. When we get a big game that figure can only currently go up to around 6000. So at most you are getting the current **** swelled by the '2-5' game a season fan. You will see this when we play Pompey and Oxford. So there is very little opportunity to pull in any new fans.

Net result...we are never going to grow our fan base! On the other hand, if we had a ground that held 12000 plus, when we do play a big game it can be pay on the gate, those 'new fans' will know they will get in, creative marketing could double our season ticket sales (aka Bradford), give tickets to all the schools EVERY WEEK on the basis that they have to come in with a paying adult. Theres loads of initiatives that could be employed to build up the fan base.

With the capacity going up to just 8-8500, we are still in the status quo that we currently are. Its just not big enough to make any in-roads. But like I said above, I want to see exactly what we are getting before making any rash judgements and slating DC all over the internet.

In the meantime, all roads lead to Wycombe...



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 14, 2014, 10:53:18 am
Good post, Drilling.
I am sure I read an interview with  David Mackintosh, in which he stated the club had been given the loan because they couldn't compete without a capacity of 10,000, and the creation of other revenue streams. As it stands, with the addition of several hundred corporate seats, we could actually end up with no increased capacity for regular fans.
I think the club needs to make a proper statement, because the stuff blurted out on Radio Northampton did little to paint a clear picture :-[


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NaggerPagger on April 14, 2014, 10:56:29 am
IMO there wont be any more seats built in the near future but if the redevelopment means we are self financing and clears debt from the club then this cant be bad. If that is the case it will mean we will be in a far better place than we ever have although not playing in the stadium I'd hoped for.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on April 14, 2014, 11:03:37 am
I think we are all trying to look through Cardoza's opaque office window.  Until he makes a clear statement on the subject on the OS it is difficult to make out exactly what's happenning and then if past experience is anything to go by he will change his mind again.  I'm afraid this latest episode from the Chairman's office shows unclear thinking and lack of planning.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 14, 2014, 11:11:47 am
I'd be happy if they replaced all existing seats with padded ones. Makes a world of difference on the farmers.  ;D

Joking aside, quite a few of the new developments are fully padded, which in itself improves the viewing experience.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 14, 2014, 11:31:44 am
That's a bit of a 'U' turn?  ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 14, 2014, 12:54:32 pm
This could be a case of non  Cobblers supporting Project managers and financial directors brought it to over see the  spend,  done some number crunching and found it more profitable  to concentrate on the hotel build so completely missing the point and disregarding The Towns football club and  its supporters by leaving no funds for the Stadium?

This could be total pie in the sky, but its the only thing that could possibly explain all the covert deviations from what we were promised and why Northampton Town FC is now not getting the promised  stadium expansion.

Maybe local journos could help put some flesh on the bones and help stop all this speculation.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Coolcat on April 14, 2014, 20:57:27 pm
But, more importantly, an expanded stadium signals the intention of the club to progress itself.

Darlington

No, Wigan, Reading, Rotherham, Doncaster, Swansea, Brighton, Chesterfield...ad lib to fade!  ::)

If DC has reneged on the capacity of the East Stand being increased by another tier and now planning a 400 increase only then as has been posted by some already, shocking lack of ambition and yet again DC promising and not delivering!

Not sure how he can reply (e mail) in the vein of no, we're all wrong and nothing has changed if the capacity is to only be increased to 8000!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 14, 2014, 21:35:23 pm
I emailed David Cardoza about a few of the rumours flying around, he's happy for me to share his response...

Below is my initial email and then his response...

Hello,

I just wanted to pop an email to yourself and firstly say how impressed I was by your interview this week, the one about everyone pulling together. I couldn't agree more, lots of stuff has been said over the past few weeks (myself included) but I think the time has come to put everything to one side and really unite to try and help the boys get enough points to stay in the Football League.

Chris Wilder has done a fantastic job so far, under what have been very difficult circumstances. Mr Boothroyd left us in a pretty horrific position and it's huge kudos to Wilder that we are still in with a real shot of survival.

All fans have their thoughts and opinions but I think it's important to remember everybody wants the same thing, the best for the club.

I've read so much waffle on message boards over the past few days, specifically about the redevelopment saga and I think lots of fans have hidden agendas in their comments towards yourself, the club and the process.

I was just hoping you could clarify a couple of items that seem to have been started by the rumour mill...mainly about the redevelopment.

Will there still be an extended supporters bar?

Am I right to think that the conference centre will now be linked to the West Stand? The hotel also?

Also I believe we are looking at boxes in both the East and West stand with slightly less boxes?

I presume/hope we have an option to increase seating in the stands behind the goals?

Personally I can understand that plans change and I think originally you wanted the West as the main stand still and now it seems that is possible.

Would appreciate an answer but understand you probably get hundreds of random emails.

Here's to hoping for three points tomorrow and the road to safety!

Up The Cobblers.

Many Thanks

Neil

*******

Hi Neil

Thanks for getting in touch.  These are stressful times for all of us apart from the person that put us here in his well paid job coaching our country’s future stars! Chris is a breath of fresh air and I have no doubts that we will be in and around the top 7 places next season in League 2.
I have seen some of the comments on the site and I have to say some of the comments are shocking - having spent million of pounds keeping us afloat and to have finally got us to the stage where we will become self sufficient and be able to sustain a very decent wage bill in the coming years I would have expected better.

The upshot is nothing has fundamentally changed with the development except we are moving the conference centre , which will be connected to the west stand and probably the hotel, and we will have less additional seating in the east as we will build some boxes and corporate facilities in the west - we only have a finite amount to spend.

Your questions:

Will there still be an extended supporters bar? Yes - there will be a home and away bar in the west . A large kiosk/bar in the concourse of the east stand and one possibly two bars within the stand.


Am I right to think that the conference centre will now be linked to the West Stand? The hotel also?  Yes for both

Also I believe we are looking at boxes in both the East and West stand with slightly less boxes? 10 - 14 boxes in the east stand - no change there and 3 - 4 large boxes in the west stand which are additional from previous plans.

I presume/hope we have an option to increase seating in the stands behind the goals? Yes definitely when needed.

Any other questions please just ask

Up the Cobblers!

All the best
David


Only just spotted this. I'm assuming Duncan posted it as a tongue in cheek wind-up, and that DC's reply is also fabricated. Leastways, I hope so :-\


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on April 14, 2014, 21:43:45 pm
The West Stand plans are now on-line on the Council Website.

- raised directors box / exec area
- middle part of concourse extended back to provide three rooms at back - in effect chopping concourse in half
- lots of work on ground floor - looks like the bar is extended into the current boardroom
- club shop replaces the players lounge
- ticket office replaced by gym / treatmentroom

In effect this looks to be replacing the areas lost downstairs.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Alfred on April 14, 2014, 21:47:05 pm
Nice one ..
 Can you post a link


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on April 14, 2014, 21:49:12 pm
http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/lg/GFPlanningWelcome.page

Click on applications 7/4 to 13/4


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 14, 2014, 21:49:27 pm
Only just spotted this. I'm assuming Duncan posted it as a tongue in cheek wind-up, and that DC's reply is also fabricated. Leastways, I hope so :-\

Sadly not.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 14, 2014, 22:36:38 pm
http://www.northampton-news-hp.co.uk/News/Northampton-News/Northampton-Town-football-club-reduces-planned-capacity-of-Sixfields-stadium-from-10000-to-8500-20140414131253.htm

There you go. If we need a bigger capacity we'll get one. Til then were gonna have a bigger, better stadium with better facilities that make us money. Good times ahead, starting with a win at Wycombe on Friday.
Cardoza acknowledged 10 years ago that 7600 capacity is not enough for a town of 220,000 and its too small to promote the club to the town and county also wont get us a or sustain a double promotion campaign, so what has changed?

We needed the extra capacity years ago bit 10 years of promises and pleas for patience he gets a Directors box and we what for our council loan of £12,000,000? Jack shiit by the look of it.

Going no where anytime soon, and if anyone thinks capacity will be 'added on as and when' is deluded, this was our one and only chance and we've blown it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 14, 2014, 22:44:38 pm
Going no where anytime soon, and if anyone thinks capacity will be 'added on as and when' is deluded, this was our one and only chance and we've blown it.

Sadly this truth seems to be sinking in.

A spade is a spade afterall...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 14, 2014, 22:58:15 pm
The West Stand plans are now on-line on the Council Website.

- raised directors box / exec area
- middle part of concourse extended back to provide three rooms at back - in effect chopping concourse in half
- lots of work on ground floor - looks like the bar is extended into the current boardroom
- club shop replaces the players lounge
- ticket office replaced by gym / treatmentroom

In effect this looks to be replacing the areas lost downstairs.
Planning application N/2014/0388 only mentions an extension to the existing face of the west stand, for directors boxes. Where are you getting the other bits from please?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 14, 2014, 23:11:43 pm
Read more: http://www.northampton-news-hp.co.uk/News/Northampton-News/Northampton-Town-football-club-reduces-planned-capacity-of-Sixfields-stadium-from-10000-to-8500-20140414131253.htm#ixzz2ytr2kQeK

“The development will include a brand new east stand with additional capacity, a significantly enhanced west stand, hotel and conference centre. All generating income for the club and giving our supporters a better match day experience with brand new seats and better eating and drinking facilities.”

Yay, I might be getting my padded seat afterall.  ;D

So, with so much confusion, do we pay (and therefore own) the new hotel? Or presumably a chunk of the original £12m gets paid straight back by the hotel company? I know it's been said but £12m doesn't seem to be stretching far, especially as any remediation on the ground footprint is already done. Having said that, the hotel will be costing a fair old whack. For less than £20m you can get a new ground from scratch.
It puts into context what a flat pack stadium Sixfields was in the first place. Allowing for inflation it cost the equivalent of £10m to build from scratch, which would have included shifting hundreds of tonnes of muck to get the site ready.

Anyway, the first rule of the ground redevelopment is you do not talk about ground redevelopment......




Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Wolvo on April 14, 2014, 23:18:35 pm
Anyway, the first rule of the ground redevelopment is you do not talk about ground redevelopment......

Do you mind clarifying the second rule of the ground redevelopment?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 14, 2014, 23:46:10 pm
Do you mind clarifying the second rule of the ground redevelopment?

I think these are the full rules.

The first rule of the ground redevelopment is: You do not talk about the ground redevelopment. The second rule of the ground redevelopment is: You do not talk about the ground redevelopment. Third rule of the ground redevlopment: Someone yells "where did the £12m go?", questions the plans or dares to ask questions, then extra seats go. Fourth rule: only one guy is in control. Fifth rule: two stands at a time, fellas. Sixth rule: no shirts (for sale in the clubshop). Seventh rule: Ground redevelopment will go on as long as it has to. And the eighth and final rule: If this is your first ground redevelopment, we reserve the right to make the rules up as we go along.

Although I haven't seen them in writing.  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on April 15, 2014, 06:13:59 am
Planning application N/2014/0388 only mentions an extension to the existing face of the west stand, for directors boxes. Where are you getting the other bits from please?


By looking at the plans - there is one for each floor.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 15, 2014, 11:44:28 am
The basic thing is that if you want to support NTFC it’s now confirmed we will be a "division 4" sized club, who will have the odd trip into the league above but god forbid not the league below. We will play in a ground that holds 8000 just about 40% more than our average crowd and this is the level we will stay, the level we have been for the best part of 100 years. This is the size of club we are and as things stand nothing will change. I'm not happy about that, but then is it not my own fault for believing in something that never really was. It certainly wasnt what I signed up for over 30 years ago.
The level of ambition on the field has been clearly set. Now if anyone really expected more or think they deserve more then they need to consider their next step.
 

this is your warped interpretation of the situation with a few judgemental comments chucked in for good measure. Your entitled to your view but I hope others judge your opinion for what it is worth.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 15, 2014, 12:31:50 pm
this is your warped interpretation of the situation with a few judgemental comments chucked in for good measure. Your entitled to your view but I hope others judge your opinion for what it is worth.

And what is your opinion, Evers? I know you like to put a positive spin on all things Cobblers, but how do you feel about the (yet again) scaled down plans for Sixfields? Do you believe that, should we have a successful few seasons, the funds will be found to re-employ the builders to upgrade both ends of the ground?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 15, 2014, 13:38:15 pm
And what is your opinion, Evers? I know you like to put a positive spin on all things Cobblers, but how do you feel about the (yet again) scaled down plans for Sixfields? Do you believe that, should we have a successful few seasons, the funds will be found to re-employ the builders to upgrade both ends of the ground?

Why thankee Jollio  oops!
Please wait while I put some thought into my response 8)
However your last sentence regarding an upgrade I hope that the builders will re-employed to carry this out FOC :o


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 15, 2014, 16:55:40 pm
Whilst I fully share the view that hotels, conference centres and boxes are the 24/7 money spinners that NTFC needs, failure to increase seating capacity at the same time to 10/12k is a huge missed opportunity.

It basically means that whatever happens on the field, the club is forever destined to remain in the bottom 2 divisions at best. Think back to when we did well in L1 under Gray or L2 with CC. How many gates of 9/10k would we have got if we'd had enough capacity, and how much of an opportunity did we miss to grow the fan base?

My message for the chairman is this:
- I simply don't believe your PR releases anymore. Why show images of a new East Stand if that's not what is actually going to be delivered?
- please make clear what the tender process was in choosing county developments ltd to do the work. Surely with public money this has to be compulsory?
- if you tell me that the N/S stands will be developed 'later', again I don't believe you. Where will the money come from?
- how can you sell season tickets with any credibility if you don't know the seating plans and stadium development time frame?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 15, 2014, 18:04:58 pm
Whilst I fully share the view that hotels, conference centres and boxes are the 24/7 money spinners that NTFC needs, failure to increase seating capacity at the same time to 10/12k is a huge missed opportunity.

It basically means that whatever happens on the field, the club is forever destined to remain in the bottom 2 divisions at best. Think back to when we did well in L1 under Gray or L2 with CC. How many gates of 9/10k would we have got if we'd had enough capacity, and how much of an opportunity did we miss to grow the fan base?


I agree with that completely. It does seem we are settling to be 4th tier level that may occasionally flirt with the league above but no more.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 15, 2014, 18:17:35 pm
We've been below the top two divisions for 114 of the 117 years we've been in existence, unless someone like an Abramovich turns up on our doorstep I guess that's where we'll stay.

I have no doubt that should we ever fill the 8,500 seats on a regular basis then more will be provided, it wouldn't make business sense not to. However we couldn't even sell out for a play-off semi-final just 12 months ago so don't hold your breath.

Got to add I do find it funny that somebody asks Cardoza questions but precedes that with the line that he doesn't believe what he says. You couldn't make it up.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 18:33:05 pm
When we finished 9th in League One under Stuart Gray we 'sold out' twice, v Leeds and v Nottingham Forest.

When we got promoted under CC we had a couple of 7k attendances v Peterborough, Rushden and Chester.

More seats you say!!??


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 15, 2014, 18:53:39 pm
Strange that the same people that just argued in favour of more seats for ten years are now backing plans to not get them


ps

We're taking well over 1500 to Wycombe on Friday. If the roles were reversed we'd be turning down cash from here on in and that's with 2 days of sales and pay on the gate to come


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 18:55:48 pm
I think/hope we need them eventually...the club have said if we need to we can expand...I'll take that on face value and if it doesn't happen then I'll kick off and moan.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 15, 2014, 18:56:36 pm
We've been below the top two divisions for 114 of the 117 years we've been in existence, unless someone like an Abramovich turns up on our doorstep I guess that's where we'll stay.

I have no doubt that should we ever fill the 8,500 seats on a regular basis then more will be provided, it wouldn't make business sense not to. However we couldn't even sell out for a play-off semi-final just 12 months ago so don't hold your breath.

Got to add I do find it funny that somebody asks Cardoza questions but precedes that with the line that he doesn't believe what he says. You couldn't make it up.

Come on mate, citing history is irrelevant in my opinion. When it comes to the redevelopment debate that is. The reason (prime one) that we have always been tin pot was for 80 odd years we played at a 2 sided/3 sided cricket ground which was barely fit for purpose. When we finally moved (to Sixfields) we did so to a stadium that had such a limited capacity that it restricted the club from growing its fan base.

Look at Hull. Look at Brighton. Look at Doncaster. Look at Swansea. I use these 4 examples because none of these clubs had more financial backing above and beyond their income levels than we we had, in the early DC days. Of course using Wigan as an example would not be fair because they had a sugar daddy.

Im totally convinced that IF Sixfields was developed into a nice 15000 facility, and the team was invested in proportionately that the fan base would almost double over night.

Where it hasn't worked is when clubs have gone stupid, and built stadiums far bigger for purpose.Like Darlington. Or in Rushden's case, far too expensive to run. Generally speaking, new quality stadiums have created a bounce at those clubs support wise and success has followed.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 19:10:57 pm
I think anything above 15,000 for us would be a huge mistake and don't get me wrong I'd love it to still be 10k/12k. I'd also agree that the massive over promising is inevitably going to lead to people being disappointed with the outcome.

Personal opinion is that it's not as big an issue as some make out. We could expand to 15,000 seats but that might mean not having any boxes or corporate facilities which would mean it would take longer to increase the wage budget? I'm trying to look at it from a positive view that the planned development will mean an increased budget quicker and lead to bigger crowds due to a better team and then we'll be in the position to increase the capacity of the north and South stands.

Over promise and under deliver is never a good business model BUT it doesn't mean it's all doom and gloom in this instance.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 19:16:30 pm
I'd also ask anyone that's got a gripe to email the club, address your concerns with the appropriate people - it's the only way you're ever going to get any sort of clarification!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 15, 2014, 19:54:54 pm
Marvo:the voice of reason.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 15, 2014, 19:57:40 pm
I think anything above 15,000 for us would be a huge mistake and don't get me wrong I'd love it to still be 10k/12k. I'd also agree that the massive over promising is inevitably going to lead to people being disappointed with the outcome.

Personal opinion is that it's not as big an issue as some make out. We could expand to 15,000 seats but that might mean not having any boxes or corporate facilities which would mean it would take longer to increase the wage budget? I'm trying to look at it from a positive view that the planned development will mean an increased budget quicker and lead to bigger crowds due to a better team and then we'll be in the position to increase the capacity of the north and South stands.

Over promise and under deliver is never a good business model BUT it doesn't mean it's all doom and gloom in this instance.

You are, of course, assuming any additional monies raised by the corporate assets will be used to advance NTFC, and not diverted towards paying back the £7 million plus owed to the chairman :-\


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 15, 2014, 20:00:05 pm
Marvo:the voice of reason.

That's something you don't often hear  ;D

Lift tower: Marvo's multi :o ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 15, 2014, 20:09:14 pm
Nigel, Cardoza said in his utube interview that at first we thought we had only enough money to invest in the East Stand, so everything was going to be over there like the executive boxes, Conference centre, supporters bar, etc. The West Stand was to be left as it is. They then discovered when looking at it again that they could indeed improve the West Stand which was always the original preferred option so now some executive boxes, Conference centre, supporters bar ect will now all be housed in an improved West Stand.
So now instead of having one Stand improved, we now have two, though obviously because of the improvement to the West Stand and the cost involved the East Stand has had to be scaled down somewhat from the original plans which makes perfect sense to me.

As for capacity, the cost of knocking down the North or South stand would be trivial compared to that of the improvements now being made to the East and West. They are now just concrete blocks, with seats and a roof. To double or even treble those stands would not only be a cheaper option to increase capacity, it makes perfect sense. As I've said before if I had my way I'd include terracing which would increase capacity even more and give us something of the old Hotel End feel about the place. Cardoza maybe a lot of things (dependent on your viewpoint) but he's not silly, he's not going to start turning punters away should the need ever arise. If the fans start filling Sixfields, you'll get your extra capacity.

You keep saying this, but you are discounting the fact that the builders are already on site, and structural works to the east side will be carried out regardless. A future expansion of the ends, say 5(?)years down the line, will involve going from scratch, and will not cost the peanuts you seem to think.
You would be talking millions more.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 15, 2014, 20:20:36 pm
To the credit of the H&P journo he asked the questions  as requested at last Thursdays press conf,
and got the desperate news .  The Chairman said iirc, was rushing things through and that there's no more money for extra capacity, but a nice big arsed directors box will be going in at the back of the west.

Regarding attendances over the previous 20 years.
 Having done little marketing and promotional work to reintroduce the club to the people of Northampton. Also zero advertising through local media, papers radio stations and posters leaflets as seen at other clubs.
Zero promotional stands at the local shopping areas, where merchandise could be sold and special match day offers could be targeted at families groups or just kids birthday outings to watch professional football.
 Zero Offices and work place specials, Nights out at the football with work colleagues, very popular at most progressive clubs....etc etc I thought none of these were happening as we were waiting for the extra capacity. Cant see much change happening in the marketing department.

What I would like to see which is very feasible with some of our 12 million is the east stand built as the nice picture, giving us a 10,000 capacity, which could allow us to offer up to 3000 visitors seats if required.
Then it would be realistic to extend the north and south as and when we achieve a few promotions. But what we've been offered is a frigging p1ss take.

Come Mr Chairman, sort it out and stick to the plans and all will be forgiven.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 15, 2014, 20:27:35 pm
A future expansion of the ends, say 5(?)years down the line, will involve going from scratch, and will not cost the peanuts you seem to think.
You would be talking millions more.

Well all I can say is that I disagree. No point in me adding anymore.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 20:27:55 pm
The one consistent thing which everyone seems to agree on is the disgraceful PR and marketing by the club.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 15, 2014, 20:36:25 pm
The one consistent thing which everyone seems to agree on is the disgraceful PR and marketing by the club.

Amen to that.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 15, 2014, 20:42:01 pm
To the credit of the H&P journo he asked the questions  as requested at last Thursdays press conf,
and got the desperate news .  The Chairman said iirc, was rushing things through and that there's no more money for extra capacity, but a nice big arsed directors box will be going in at the back of the west.

Regarding attendances over the previous 20 years.
 Having done little marketing and promotional work to reintroduce the club to the people of Northampton. Also zero advertising through local media, papers radio stations and posters leaflets as seen at other clubs.
Zero promotional stands at the local shopping areas, where merchandise could be sold and special match day offers could be targeted at families groups or just kids birthday outings to watch professional football.
 Zero Offices and work place specials, Nights out at the football with work colleagues, very popular at most progressive clubs....etc etc I thought none of these were happening as we were waiting for the extra capacity. Cant see much change happening in the marketing department.

What I would like to see which is very feasible with some of our 12 million is the east stand built as the nice picture, giving us a 10,000 capacity, which could allow us to offer up to 3000 visitors seats if required
Then it would be realistic to extend the north and south as and when we achieve a few promotions. But what we've been offered is a frigging p1ss take.

Come Mr Chairman, sort it out and stick to the plans and all will be forgiven.
Email him your suggestions. It maybe true he reads this site but theres always the chance he lost the will to live during one of the everbrite/marvo arguments.

I expect when the work is done and the stadium is looking all nice and done up then there will be a big official reopening and plenty of promotional work then.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 20:43:25 pm
Hope you're right lift tower, about the big PR/Marketing exercise etc. It's an area the club has always struggled in.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 15, 2014, 20:58:41 pm
I expect when the work is done and the stadium is looking all nice and done up then there will be a big official reopening and plenty of promotional work then.

I think it's this delusional spirit that keeps us coming back year after year ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 15, 2014, 21:16:41 pm
I think it's this delusional spirit that keeps us coming back year after year ;D
;D this time last year I was dreaming of double promotions to the championship


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 15, 2014, 21:30:05 pm
We've been below the top two divisions for 114 of the 117 years we've been in existence, unless someone like an Abramovich turns up on our doorstep I guess that's where we'll stay.

This is a desperately sad comment. I am really sorry you approach the future in this way.

We've always been pretty mediocre so lets not expect that NTFC could one day be an established Championship club eh? I'm sure when Rotherham will be thinking exactly along those lines when they reach the second tier in the next few years.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 15, 2014, 21:31:05 pm
You're labouring under the illusion that my argument is about a few seats.

I argued, as you well know for many years that we would end up in the precarious position we now find ourselves in. I couldn't care if we play football on the Racecourse. But I am tired of the years of plans, pictures, promises and BS. Don't forget when you pray at DC's alter. It's cost us 20 million quid and potentially our league status to get to this. And personally doubt if you and I will ever live long enough to see that repaid, let alone see one decent player bought from it.


Oh I see. Okay.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 15, 2014, 21:41:17 pm
This is a desperately sad comment. I am really sorry you approach the future in this way.

We've always been pretty mediocre so lets not expect that NTFC could one day be an established Championship club eh? I'm sure when Rotherham will be thinking exactly along those lines when they reach the second tier in the next few years.

Every team wants what you want. Take a look at the Premiership and Championship. Bar a few odd exceptions, they're the same teams that have always resided there. I can name 46 bigger clubs than us in both history, fan base, finance and a host of other measures. Bournemouth & Yeovil are probably the only two clubs we could compare ourselves with in the current top two tiers so we could argue we can get there to replace either one of them. Sadly between us and them are clubs like Wolves, Preston, Bristol City, Sheff Utd, etc, etc, all far bigger clubs than us and some of them almost certainly bigger than we can ever dream of becoming, even with a 10,000 stadium. It isn't a level playing field, if only it was. You need to start looking for another Russian billionaire.

PS: We had our "miracle" in the sixties. You'll never see the like of that again. How that for a sad comment?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 15, 2014, 21:45:42 pm
You're labouring under the illusion that my argument is about a few seats.

I argued, as you well know for many years that we would end up in the precarious position we now find ourselves in. I couldn't care if we play football on the Racecourse. But I am tired of the years of plans, pictures, promises and BS. Don't forget when you pray at DC's alter. It's cost us 20 million quid and potentially our league status to get to this. And personally doubt if you and I will ever live long enough to see that repaid, let alone see one decent player bought from it.

Could be worse though couldnt it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 15, 2014, 21:49:50 pm
46 different clubs have played in the Premier League. So you're right, why should we ever think we'll have a go? I mean, currently it's exactly 50% of clubs in the league that have so we have no chance


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 15, 2014, 21:58:03 pm

As for capacity, the cost of knocking down the North or South stand would be trivial compared to that of the improvements


I'd find some of these trivial funds either from the £12m or write a small cheque out if I was DC and double the size of the away end.
I agree that the home fans have enough space but with a lucky season in the league and/or cup and it could pay for itself in a couple of years.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 15, 2014, 22:10:10 pm
I'd find some of these trivial funds either from the £12m or write a small cheque out if I was DC and double the size of the away end.
I agree that the home fans have enough space but with a lucky season in the league and/or cup and it could pay for itself in a couple of years.
Are we gonna get any big teams in the cup in the next few years? Looking in your direction Terry Fenwick Ate My Hamster you seem to know what's going to happen before it does. ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 15, 2014, 22:18:16 pm
We actually had 3 seasons in Div 2 and one in Div 1. Just saying.

David Cardoza seems to be getting abuse for having the same hopeless dreams of grandeur as some of our supporters. Strange really.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 15, 2014, 22:31:18 pm
For me there are two trains of thought. One is that we will continue to be a 'Rochadale' (league status permitting), OK the old folk can wax lyrical about 1965, or slightly younger fans will remember the surreal season under Carr. Or you can look at a town that has exploded over the past 30 years and say "Why is it never us?" as you see the likes of P*sh, MK and even a team like Yeovil climb the ladder. There are more extreme examples of course who swapped cup finals for non league in a generation.
I remember my first 'big' game in 1980 which was Liverpool v Swansea in a packed Cop. Then years later we were visiting the Vetch, then look at them again now.

I don't think it is unreasonable to have expectations for us to have a piece of it. You only have to go 600 yards down the road, or refer to our Wembley trips to see that the Northampton public have an interest in a successful sporting team.

I know that some like to pray at the alter of DC but he is far from beyond critisim. I think he listens to fans and isn't adverse to sending personal responses, or having one on one meetings, which is great. However, I haven't see any evidence that he actually engages in any actual consultation with fans, or certainly hasn't delivered anything of note to move the club forward on the pitch. I haven't had great feedback from those who have had dealings with him but it's not a popularity contest and he is in place to do the business at the end of the day.
Now he is making his first big mark this is surrounded by last minute changes, confusion and poor communication.

As many have highlighted, we are woeful in the marketing department. If there was ever a case of speculating to accumulate, this is where my big bet would be. A bigger ground would have enabled this but saying that, the one we have now has more than enough seats to do a lot of work in this area. Let's hope that the new facilities are utilised in conjunction with this to draw in some fresh support.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 15, 2014, 22:50:48 pm
Has everyone looked at the plans? Surely this can't cost much of our £12m? I was of the impression that this fund would not be exhausted over this phase of the 'redevelopment'.

http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=4185361&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf
Shows the small extension to the West that will house the 3 boxes on stilts, the boxes will not be pitch facing which is very odd to me!

http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=4185362&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf
This shows the ground floor and what will be the internal layout of the west including new place for the club shop etc. Note the size of the Restaurant Function Room - does not look like an 800 seater to me!

http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=4185364&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf
This shows the boxes on the second level which will stick out over the current box office entrance and include private toilets and kitchen facilities with private corridors to enter their seats in the West Stand.

Looks very poor to me!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 23:10:49 pm
Can't get my head around those at all!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 15, 2014, 23:12:09 pm
Yes as far as I can see the executive boxes would have a prime view of the West car park and concrete steps.

I also don't understand where the 'box seating' is meant to be? The plans suggest it is going to be behind existing seats and yet the roof structure is not going to be raised ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 15, 2014, 23:12:54 pm
Can't get my head around those at all!

If you look at the original plans for the East the conference facilities was much bigger. I can't see where this £12mill is being spent at all.

P.S. It helps zooming in to those plans to get your head round it all.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 15, 2014, 23:14:16 pm
Yes as far as I can see the executive boxes would have a prime view of the West car park and concrete steps.

I also don't understand where the 'box seating' is meant to be? The plans suggest it is going to be behind existing seats and yet the roof structure is not going to be raised ???

The boxes are mid level in the west so it looks like they will be creating two new entrances into the stand and having seating among the rest of us. This looks to actually decrease the capacity of the West to me, but I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 15, 2014, 23:16:31 pm
Does anybody have any confidence whatsoever in the club actually having the ability to sell these boxes to people?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 23:17:34 pm
It says on one of the plans that West capacity will be 3900 ish, what is it now?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: New Dawn Fades on April 15, 2014, 23:17:51 pm
£12 million is quite a large sum for three Iso containers (on stilts) facing the wrong way.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 15, 2014, 23:18:38 pm
Does anybody have any confidence whatsoever in the club actually having the ability to sell these boxes to people?

All I know is; IF I was to pay for a box I would want to be able to stand in my box and watch the game from within the comfort of my warm top of the rang box, I want to stand in the glass doorway and laude it over you common folk. Fukk walking back past the kitchen, lift and toilet facilities to take a bite of my salmon sandwich!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 15, 2014, 23:19:16 pm
Depends whose doing the work I suppose. Some contractors are more expensive than others. You've got to shop around I guess.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 15, 2014, 23:19:41 pm
Well all I can say is that I disagree. No point in me adding anymore.

Okay. But if it's such a trivial cost to build up the ends of the stadium, then why not do the south end now, while the builders are on site? Job done then, and at an even cheaper cost.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 23:20:02 pm
They reckoned they'd pretty much sold 8 already didn't they? Possibly all to Tony Cardoza though ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 15, 2014, 23:20:15 pm
Are the revised plans for the East Stand available to see too? Had a quick look but couldn't find anything.

West capacity is currently 4,000 as I understand it so read into that what you will.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 15, 2014, 23:22:23 pm
They reckoned they'd pretty much sold 8 already didn't they? Possibly all to Tony Cardoza though ;)
is that from the club? It's just that im afraid I no longer believe anything that comes out of there. If they told me we won 1-0 I'd still buy a paper to check


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 15, 2014, 23:22:39 pm
Depends whose doing the work I suppose. Some contractors are more expensive than others. You've got to shop around I guess.

 ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 15, 2014, 23:23:31 pm
It says on one of the plans that West capacity will be 3900 ish, what is it now?

The figure on the plan refers to current capacity.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 15, 2014, 23:27:04 pm
Are the revised plans for the East Stand available to see too? Had a quick look but couldn't find anything.

West capacity is currently 4,000 as I understand it so read into that what you will.

Can only find the plans for the, what now looks like, excellent brand spanking new east stand for which we sadly will never see come to light!

http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/lg/GFPlanningViewDocumentInDialog.page


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 23:28:32 pm
Well why don't they tell us what the revised capacity will be?

Karl, it was a throwaway comment from DC a while back so not entirely sure it was an official statement.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 15, 2014, 23:31:41 pm
Karl, it was a throwaway comment from DC a while back so not entirely sure it was an official statement.

It could be easy to get the two mixed up to be fair.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 23:34:08 pm
Where is the conference centre and hotel going?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 15, 2014, 23:36:53 pm
Where is the conference centre and hotel going?

Cardoza's back pocket.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 15, 2014, 23:38:09 pm
Where is the conference centre and hotel going?

We've probably scrapped those ideas ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 23:42:25 pm
You could build a whole new ground for £12million, couldn't you?!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 15, 2014, 23:44:04 pm
You could build a whole new ground for £12million, couldn't you?!

If it was my money I'd want to have the West and East as mirror images of each other from within the ground with the fancy corporate nonsense within the West.

The perfect look for my vision comes in the form of the below image, maybe Cardoza could do some homework on Friday!

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/01/57/25/1572514_66a1b989.jpg


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 15, 2014, 23:46:26 pm
If it was my money I'd do the same and probably fill in the corners somehow.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 16, 2014, 00:25:27 am
If it was my money I'd do the same and probably fill in the corners somehow.

Didn't you know? It's going to be a wrap-around stadium. Oh, wait, that was last week's plan :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: nn2cobbler on April 16, 2014, 00:39:13 am
Just to clarify out of the £12m £4.5m is being spent on the hotel and £7.5m on the new east stand and west stand refurbishments.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 16, 2014, 01:51:34 am
Just to clarify out of the £12m £4.5m is being spent on the hotel and £7.5m on the new east stand and west stand refurbishments.

Source? Because if you're right something doesn't add up. Sc***horpe get a brand spanking new 12,500 capacity ground for 18 million. We get seven hundred seats and some boxes, for 7.5 million?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 16, 2014, 02:43:14 am
£12 million is quiet a large sum for three Iso containers facing the wrong way.

;D made me chuckle.  Think of them as like those beach front houses on stilts in Malibu but instead of views of the Pacific you get a KFC.

I'm sure due to the noise and influence of this board  :P there will be some detailed press releases soon to show everyone how exactly the money is being spent. Either that or DC will clarify at the next open forum.
Some of the comments are rather naughty but it does seem as though we are clearly holding some of the funds back or didn't get enough quotes! Whatever the split of £12m on the hotel and ground, not much appears to be going on the ground so far.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 16, 2014, 05:59:01 am
I'll tell you what doesn't add up. One minute you get a poster on here claiming it will cost "millions" to increase the North Stand, then people seem to think you'd get a whole new ground for the same amount.

I don't mind you trying to destroy any optimism that may be left in the club but hey, try and stick to the same hymn sheet.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 16, 2014, 07:04:38 am
Destroying optimism is what the club seems to be doing.
Look at it this way. Just a couple of weeks ago we were all told we'd finally be getting a stadium with a 5 figure capacity and a decent looking stand to compliment the West. Now they've let us find out for ourselves we're getting half a job, it'll look weird and and whatever odd bit of space is left over a few seats wedged in. But why should we expect finalised plans at this stage? ten years is no time at all to work out what you want to do.

Mr Clarke: are these revised plans what you fought for? Would you have tried so hard to get it gong of this is what we'd end up with? It just seems underwhelming and there is a sense that we've had the wool pulled over our eyes. They even made a video of what it'd be like!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on April 16, 2014, 07:45:52 am
Cant believe the Chairman is going to waste this chance to create a decent Stadium. But then again i gave up believing what he said quite a while a go.
He is so full of BS.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: super-si on April 16, 2014, 08:01:29 am
Mr Cardoza is playing his cards close to his chest at the moment...waiting to see what happens this season. The new planning application is stand alone without the East Stand. But there is no evidence of the large conference facility. So what is to happen with that? Dropped from the East Stand and to become part of the hotel? - which make sense! Permission still stands for the East - perhaps the plans for that are being revised to include seating and hospitality - but not as much building to the rear?

The west stand hospitality looks as though it is more of a directors lounge - so the hospitality boxes must still be planned for the east stand. However, the upper west seating is indicated on the plan as a void - but I guess that is an over simplification by the draughtsman.

I was under the impression that the East Stand roof was to be removed this season...but it is still there! So they are treading water at the moment - and all will be revealed soon no doubt!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 16, 2014, 09:10:30 am
The east stand is being remodelled on the weird helmed in row of boxes at Luton! This really will be the final insult!

You don't need plans or drawings, just imagine a row of boxes on stilts peering over the east stand, that's what's in store for us!

Did Mackintosh and the shiny shovel crowd realise at the sod cutting ceremony that the plans were going to be blown out of the water within weeks without consultation with the end users and clients, us the tax payers!

I just hope the scuffling sound up SIxfields way is some serious back pedalling!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 16, 2014, 09:21:40 am
The east stand is being remodelled on the weird helmed in row of boxes at Luton! This really will be the final insult!

You don't need plans or drawings, just imagine a row of boxes on stilts peering over the east stand, that's what's in store for us!

Did Mackintosh and the shiny shovel crowd realise at the sod cutting ceremony that the plans were going to be blown out of the water within weeks without consultation with the end users and clients, us the tax payers!

I just hope the scuffling sound up SIxfields way is some serious back pedalling!

That's the part I don't understand but one of you will. In any planning consultation (eg housing development), they have resubmit any changes and allow time for further challenge/let the NIMBYs voice concerns. Does this apply to all planning situations? If so I'd be surprised if at least the external plans have been allowed to be tinkered with at all.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 16, 2014, 10:00:43 am
I wasn't impressed with the East stand to begin with, now I'm praying DC has another change of heart and goes back to just doing the East stand with some internal work on the West.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Tony Clarke on April 16, 2014, 10:02:47 am
12th Marquis of Sixfields "Mr Clarke: are these revised plans what you fought for? Would you have tried so hard to get it going if this is what we'd end up with?"

No.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 16, 2014, 10:05:57 am
Uh oh.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 16, 2014, 10:07:28 am
After waiting patiently for the club shop to open, I googled County Group as they have their banners up. I couldn't find much company info. Does anyone know much about them?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 16, 2014, 10:11:12 am
After waiting patiently for the club shop to open, I googled County Group as they have their banners up. I couldn't find much company info. Does anyone know much about them?

I believe someone posted on here somewhere the other day stating they were set up by Cardoza and Daddy Cardoza.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 16, 2014, 10:13:30 am
After waiting patiently for the club shop to open, I googled County Group as they have their banners up. I couldn't find much company info. Does anyone know much about them?

How many banners? Whats the going rate for a banner these days? About half a million quid?  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 16, 2014, 10:15:46 am
Here is something I don't remember being mentioned; What income will ntfc garner from the use of boxes at Coventry games?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on April 16, 2014, 10:17:47 am
I believe someone posted on here somewhere the other day stating they were set up by Cardoza and Daddy Cardoza.
The property developers :o


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 16, 2014, 10:20:14 am
Here is something I don't remember being mentioned; What income will ntfc garner from the use of boxes at Coventry games?

Erm.....depends how the contract was drawn up! If it was a percentage of gate receipts then we aren't doing very well out of it are we? If it was a flat rate of xxx per season then how could we change the contract? Maybe Cov will get an "enhanced" stadium for no additional increase in rent?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 16, 2014, 10:26:34 am
I believe someone posted on here somewhere the other day stating they were set up by Cardoza and Daddy Cardoza.

I think that's poor speculation at best if not true. It doesn't seem to be a brand new company and a firm with an active interest from within the company getting the loan would get flagged pretty quickly. Well, you would have thought it would. People have gone to prison for less, so silly talk IMO.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 16, 2014, 10:32:27 am
It's not speculation at all.

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08589683/COUNTY-DEVELOPMENTS-NORTHAMPTON-LIMITED/directors-shareholders.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 16, 2014, 10:34:31 am
I reckon you lot won't be happy until you've hounded our current owners out and we're back collecting money in buckets again.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 16, 2014, 10:41:07 am
It's not speculation at all.

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08589683/COUNTY-DEVELOPMENTS-NORTHAMPTON-LIMITED/directors-shareholders.

Thanks, OK not so silly talk. What a bizarre situation, or maybe it's sensible considering the owners background. I'm sure it will all become clearer in the coming months and everyone will be happy with the luxuries of the new improvements as we march up league two.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 16, 2014, 10:42:33 am
I reckon you lot won't be happy until you've hounded our current owners out and we're back collecting money in buckets again.
How much is Des O'Connor worth?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: nn2cobbler on April 16, 2014, 10:43:56 am
Source? Because if you're right something doesn't add up. S****horpe get a brand spanking new 12,500 capacity ground for 18 million. We get seven hundred seats and some boxes, for 7.5 million?

Source: Mr Cardoza himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2le6uMDwY&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 16, 2014, 10:54:14 am
The last few sentences on that video make interesting listening. We are all happy then.  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 16, 2014, 10:55:06 am
Source: Mr Cardoza himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2le6uMDwY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

When was this video from? There's a lot of huffing and pausing from Cardoza.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 16, 2014, 11:12:39 am
How much is Des O'Connor worth?
;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 16, 2014, 11:25:31 am
The last few sentences on that video make interesting listening. We are all happy then.  ;D

I'm ecstatic!! Fully reassured after watching that!  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 16, 2014, 11:33:02 am
The last few sentences on that video make interesting listening. We are all happy then.  ;D

The very last thing Cardoza says;

'and make as much money possibly for the football club'

I'm sure this was supposed to come out as 'and make as much money as possible for the football club'.

Slip of the truth tongue David?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on April 16, 2014, 11:40:48 am
I'm ecstatic!! Fully reassured after watching that!  ;)
All fears allayed.
10,000 seater stadium with filled in corners,better corporate facilities,better hospitality,conference centre,impressive supporters bar and ajoining hotel here we come ;D

Oh hang on  :o


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 16, 2014, 11:55:57 am
After waiting patiently for the club shop to open, I googled County Group as they have their banners up. I couldn't find much company info. Does anyone know much about them?
http://www.thecountygroup.co.uk/


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 16, 2014, 12:08:42 pm
I'll tell you what doesn't add up. One minute you get a poster on here claiming it will cost "millions" to increase the North Stand, then people seem to think you'd get a whole new ground for the same amount.

I don't mind you trying to destroy any optimism that may be left in the club but hey, try and stick to the same hymn sheet.

Well, obviously, if it costs eighteen million to build a new ground, then it'll cost at least a few million to build a new end, yes? It's not rocket science.
The Saints new stand is quoted at 5 million: This includes demolition of a large structure followed by a total rebuild. DC once suggested the ends of our ground would be demolished and started afresh rather than sticking with the initial build structure. If we went for a rebuild with filled in corners it will cost millions (ie:quite a few millions).
The simplest, and cheapest solution remains adding the second level, as per the original ground plans. Even doing one end would give us an additional 900 plus seats. This would still involve substantial cost, but it'd be a heckuva lot cheaper to do it now, with builders on site, than waiting till ten years down the line.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 16, 2014, 12:19:02 pm
Well, obviously, if it costs eighteen million to build a new ground, then it'll cost at least a few million to build a new end, yes? It's not rocket science.
The Saints new stand is quoted at 5 million: This includes demolition of a large structure followed by a total rebuild. DC once suggested the ends of our ground would be demolished and started afresh rather than sticking with the initial build structure. If we went for a rebuild with filled in corners it will cost millions (ie:quite a few millions).
The simplest, and cheapest solution remains adding the second level, as per the original ground plans. Even doing one end would give us an additional 900 plus seats. This would still involve substantial cost, but it'd be a heckuva lot cheaper to do it now, with builders on site, than waiting till ten years down the line.

I have emailed the club with my concerns regarding how the development has been handled and amongst the reply it was stated that 'capacity can be increased again very easily in the North and South stands if and when required.'

The club have had this stance for a long time so I can't see it being fabricated, any builder would be able to build more concrete steps and supports on top of the two mentioned stands.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 16, 2014, 12:25:50 pm
http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/478343/plans-redevelop-almost-double-seating-capacity-sixfields-stadium

It seems that £10 million got you a bit more in 2005.
Inflation eh!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 16, 2014, 14:43:25 pm
I reckon you lot won't be happy until you've hounded our current owners out and we're back collecting money in buckets again.

You may have noticed John that I have been very stand offish on this thread...Im just going to see what occurs given that the plans seem to change on an almost daily basis.

However, I find it very strange..particularly from a very determined socialist such as yourself...that you are so comfortable with the handling of this 'project' that you imply that anybody who isn't should be. I only bring politics into it because every socialist I know would be very concerned about the '7.5million' stadium loan (excluding hotel part of it) and what we appear (not) to be getting for it. And with the companies involved in the process, I feel a proper public explanation is warranted.The potential for capitalist 'profit making' is there for all to see, given the no strings attached public loan.

Im not making any judgements at this moment in time, but I've got loads of pre-judgements rolling around in my head and none of them are of a positive nature! My main point is, how can you be 'so sure' that nothing potentially concerning has/is occurring? Whilst I admire your supportive stance, Im struggling to see on what basis you have it whilst thinking everybody else should have it.

You have well and truly nailed your colours to the '7.5million has been well spent' brigade...well all I will say is lets see what it is when its finished. I just hope that you are right on this occasion. And before you say anything to counter this, factor in that this loan is for a specific purpose and it has been borrowed out of public money. For that reason alone, it should be regulated properly, or at least should be in my opinion. And thats from a capitalist/Tory!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 16, 2014, 15:04:58 pm
You may have noticed John that I have been very stand offish on this thread...Im just going to see what occurs given that the plans seem to change on an almost daily basis.

However, I find it very strange..particularly from a very determined socialist such as yourself...that you are so comfortable with the handling of this 'project' that you imply that anybody who isn't should be. I only bring politics into it because every socialist I know would be very concerned about the '7.5million' stadium loan (excluding hotel part of it) and what we appear (not) to be getting for it. And with the companies involved in the process, I feel a proper public explanation is warranted.The potential for capitalist 'profit making' is there for all to see, given the no strings attached public loan.

Im not making any judgements at this moment in time, but I've got loads of pre-judgements rolling around in my head and none of them are of a positive nature! My main point is, how can you be 'so sure' that nothing potentially concerning has/is occurring? Whilst I admire your supportive stance, Im struggling to see on what basis you have it whilst thinking everybody else should have it.

You have well and truly nailed your colours to the '7.5million has been well spent' brigade...well all I will say is lets see what it is when its finished. I just hope that you are right on this occasion. And before you say anything to counter this, factor in that this loan is for a specific purpose and it has been borrowed out of public money. For that reason alone, it should be regulated properly, or at least should be in my opinion. And thats from a capitalist/Tory!

Pretty much sums it up for me too! The proof will be in the pudding, not just for this but many years down the line when the money may or may not flow in, may or may not be spent on the team, may or may not get the team motoring up the leagues. Similarly the inquests about matters on the field can wait until/if we go down.
Things are delicately poised on so many levels at the moment, and like you say its pointless going into things too deeply whilst plans seem to change by the day.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 16, 2014, 15:33:38 pm
Drilling/Grange, I'm quite happy to wait to see what actually occurs, that is the most sensible form of action, much better than listening to rumours. Unfortunately others can't wait to get their knives into the Chairmans back, if they were ever out of it in the first place.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 16, 2014, 16:41:30 pm
Drilling/Grange, I'm quite happy to wait to see what actually occurs, that is the most sensible form of action, much better than listening to rumours. Unfortunately others can't wait to get their knives into the Chairmans back, if they were ever out of it in the first place.

I think this topic has actually done well to turn in to a fact finding thread. We are using the plans to source information as the plans are the only facts we have due to the confusion of are we/aren't we coming from the club.

Unfortunately, taking the 'lets wait and see approach' is another way of saying 'lets leave it until it's too late to air our views'. I have aired my views via email to the club and have had a response, I'd urge anyone else to do the same so the club can hear our suggestions/worries from as many mouths (keyboards) as possible.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 16, 2014, 16:59:20 pm
Im still wondering why we have to stop discussing this and concentrate on staying up. How do we do that? Help wilder scout the opposition? Give him tactical ideas? Or just sit quietly thinking about it? It's just that I can do a few things almost at once so I reckon I can handle dividing my time loosely between reading and commenting on the long and short term future of my club and hoping that both don't go **** up


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on April 16, 2014, 17:06:49 pm
May I place on record that when attending a trust meeting myself and another poster(may have been everbright) raised concerns that no supporters had been consulted on their views regards any redevelopment and what they would like to see.*
It was asked why the trust who are there to act as a mouthpiece for supporters had not asked for fans opinions and put them to DC...
The reply was that they didn't want to rock the boat and DC probably wouldn't take any notice.
If anyone from the trust would like to deny that they have a right of reply.

*in fairness it may have been everbright who raised the issue with myself agreeing.

Anyway I didn't dream it and the above occurred.
I eagerly await a denial and coverup.
This doesn't detract from well meaning people who work hard as regards the trust but it does seem to show a contempt for the supporters they represent when they felt it within THEIR power not to bother asking the fanbase and raising concerns directly to the board.
That was my take on it anyway as one of I think two members of the public who bothered attending the open meeting.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 16, 2014, 17:35:06 pm


Like I've said before. I struggle with anyone that has difficulty sticking to their word and feels comfortable changing what they have promised. You obviously don't... All down to interpretation...

Are you saying Nigel that plans can't change and whatever the original one was must be adhered to even if you think you've found a better way?

Exactly what was promised?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 16, 2014, 17:37:15 pm
Cheaper isn't always the better way


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 16, 2014, 19:32:48 pm
What would reduce speculation would be to spend a few quid on a display board outside the ground with detailed pictorial plans, artist impression, facts and figures etc.
Personally I think they are treading water for a few more weeks to see which league we end up in, which I would in the same position.
If it wasn't for the last decision to cut the revised capacity then there wouldn't be half of the noise there's been.
Also, the loan was based on certain promises and criteria. A key one for most people having a significantly increased capacity. It appears to have become a case of "Do what you want" with on the stadium side of the project.
You can always argue we don't fill what we have, which is rather flawed or else that applies to most new grounds we see today and limits marketing opportunities. Extremely short sighted if we are building for the future. If it is a case of holding money back to build extra capacity on the North and South, then just say so.
Communication has never been a strong point and during such a high profile redevelopment it's one of the most important factors. Speaks a man of experience in effective consultation.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 16, 2014, 19:44:59 pm
If I had £10 million and I said I'd invest in the club, then gave you the supporters the option of an enhanced stand or the money being spent on players to try and get us up the leagues, what would you ask for?

This hasn't got anything to do with the redevelopment debate, I'm just asking really whether you'd prefer a brilliant ground or a brilliant team?

Think about it, then answer honestly. There's no right or wrong answer.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 16, 2014, 19:46:21 pm
If I had £10 million and I said I'd invest in the club, then gave you the supporters the option of an enhanced stand or the money being spent on players to try and get us up the leagues, what would you ask for?

This hasn't got anything to do with the redevelopment debate, I'm just asking really whether you'd prefer a brilliant ground or a brilliant team?

Think about it, then answer honestly. There's no right or wrong answer.

£6 million on the ground.
£4 million on the team.

Since you asked.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 16, 2014, 19:46:27 pm
The fact he never openly declared that there now wont be any extra capacity, but forced into an admission at the weekly presser by a local journo who was doing so from a request on twitter!

We would still be in the dark,

This is not good, I'm sure Macintosh wont be happy.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 16, 2014, 20:07:44 pm
£6 million on the ground.
£4 million on the team.

Since you asked.

Sorry Razor, it's my £10 million, you can have one or the other.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 16, 2014, 20:11:15 pm
May I place on record that when attending a trust meeting myself and another poster(may have been everbright) raised concerns that no supporters had been consulted on their views regards any redevelopment and what they would like to see.*
It was asked why the trust who are there to act as a mouthpiece for supporters had not asked for fans opinions and put them to DC...
The reply was that they didn't want to rock the boat and DC probably wouldn't take any notice.
If anyone from the trust would like to deny that they have a right of reply.

*in fairness it may have been everbright who raised the issue with myself agreeing.

Anyway I didn't dream it and the above occurred.
I eagerly await a denial and coverup.
This doesn't detract from well meaning people who work hard as regards the trust but it does seem to show a contempt for the supporters they represent when they felt it within THEIR power not to bother asking the fanbase and raising concerns directly to the board.
That was my take on it anyway as one of I think two members of the public who bothered attending the open meeting.
Unfortunately Shoemaker you are quoting the meeting you attended incorrectly again. Soon after the meeting you came on here stating that "Someone on the Trust said that Cardoza is looking to sell". This was in fact another member of the public , not a Trust board member, repeating a rumour he had heard !
Regarding the fans being consulted ,if you look on the Trust Facebook & Twitter pages ,we did ask for fans opinions and to say we said we " didn't want to rock the boat" is a lie , the following is took from the minutes of the meeting.

"8b New development
Andy Clark feedback back points learnt from meeting his meeting with Steve Allen, who is project manager. The new stand will be a lightweight steel structure but how it is to be finished off has not been decided. Thoughts and ideas are very much welcome.
 Andy suggested that the Trust could be used to put forward constructive suggestions. The Board proposed that J A should devise a simple survey. Andy Clark will speak to David Cardoza to let him know what's happening. "

   Can I suggest that an apology is in order for your lies !!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 16, 2014, 20:15:05 pm
Sorry Razor, it's my £10 million, you can have one or the other.

Shove it up your arse then! ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 16, 2014, 20:26:02 pm
Shove it up your arse then! ;)

Okay. I take it you don't want to answer the question.  :)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 16, 2014, 20:27:11 pm
If I had £10 million and I said I'd invest in the club, then gave you the supporters the option of an enhanced stand or the money being spent on players to try and get us up the leagues, what would you ask for?

This hasn't got anything to do with the redevelopment debate, I'm just asking really whether you'd prefer a brilliant ground or a brilliant team?

Think about it, then answer honestly. There's no right or wrong answer.

Safe to say 99.9% of fans would want the money spent on the team.

I'd be the same.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 16, 2014, 20:28:37 pm
Mainly because we all crave a successful football team and wouldn't have the patience to take the structured approach and invest in long term success.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 16, 2014, 20:32:12 pm
If I had £10 million and I said I'd invest in the club, then gave you the supporters the option of an enhanced stand or the money being spent on players to try and get us up the leagues, what would you ask for?

This hasn't got anything to do with the redevelopment debate, I'm just asking really whether you'd prefer a brilliant ground or a brilliant team?

Think about it, then answer honestly. There's no right or wrong answer.

Stadium. £10million worth of players come with high wage bills = bigger outlay. A stadium with more 365 day facilities would = bigger income. There is no way we would be able to sustain a larger playing budget once the £10mill has run out.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 16, 2014, 20:34:11 pm
If I had £10 million and I said I'd invest in the club, then gave you the supporters the option of an enhanced stand or the money being spent on players to try and get us up the leagues, what would you ask for?

This hasn't got anything to do with the redevelopment debate, I'm just asking really whether you'd prefer a brilliant ground or a brilliant team?

Think about it, then answer honestly. There's no right or wrong answer.

That is A question but a new one to this debate. If it is your £10m, or DC's or anyone elses, they could do what they like.
In such a public redevelopment, that has a direct impact on the lifeblood of that business, a proper consultation process should never really be a 'nice to have.'

In a consultation the business (i.e. NTFC) should have developed the project (which they did) and then set up some consultation meetings with the fans. If only we had a body to do this, like the Trust.  :P
So in most consultations you don't decide what to do with the initial funding. You feedback, shape, improve, highlight weaknesses, provide alternatives etc. Just welcoming suggestions isn't effective consultation.
However, ultimately the company can do (and often do) what they like as long as it's not breaking any laws or regs. In the long term though it will destroy your business, customer loyalty and the goodwill of anyone who works for you.

P.S. If you had £10m I'd say that you may as well build your own train track in your back garden, as judging by previous performance it'll probably get you flirting with non league football and a house on stilts.
But to answer your question seriously, I would say the ground. Well, as long as you showed me some exciting plans and how fantastic it was going to be, making my match day experience more enjoyable. If you spent it on the team we'd end up with a ton of overpaid journeymen (cough, Clive Platt) and if we did manage any success then the ground wouldn't be up to scratch anyway.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 16, 2014, 20:44:28 pm

I'm sure Macintosh wont be happy.
Sold! I'm right behind you now Big Dave!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 16, 2014, 21:09:24 pm
That is A question but a new one to this debate. If it is your £10m, or DC's or anyone elses, they could do what they like.
In such a public redevelopment, that has a direct impact on the lifeblood of that business, a proper consultation process should never really be a 'nice to have.'

In a consultation the business (i.e. NTFC) should have developed the project (which they did) and then set up some consultation meetings with the fans. If only we had a body to do this, like the Trust.  :P

This appeared on the previous page of this thread. The quote is from the minutes of the Trust Board meeting dated 16th Jan 2014.

 Item 8b. New development

"Andy Clark fedback back points learnt from meeting his meeting with Steve Allen, who is project manager. The new stand will be a lightweight steel structure but how it is to be finished off has not been decided. Thoughts and ideas are very much welcome.
 Andy suggested that the Trust could be used to put forward constructive suggestions. The Board proposed that J A should devise a simple survey. Andy Clark will speak to David Cardoza to let him know what's happening. "

     :P :P :P




Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 16, 2014, 22:17:05 pm
This appeared on the previous page of this thread. The quote is from the minutes of the Trust Board meeting dated 16th Jan 2014.

 Item 8b. New development

"Andy Clark fedback back points learnt from meeting his meeting with Steve Allen, who is project manager. The new stand will be a lightweight steel structure but how it is to be finished off has not been decided. Thoughts and ideas are very much welcome.
 Andy suggested that the Trust could be used to put forward constructive suggestions. The Board proposed that J A should devise a simple survey. Andy Clark will speak to David Cardoza to let him know what's happening. "

     :P :P :P


Yeah, I read that. "Andy suggested that the Trust could be used to put forward constructive suggestions." is hardly a commitment to true consultation, which should have already been a live process anyway.
I would have thought at least 3 or 4 meetings with detailed minutes to specifically discuss the proposals would have been a sensible approach. Assuming that this happening, the Trust would be fully up to speed with all of the changes since the original proposal. They may not have agreed with them but they'd understand why the changes had been made and the full financial implications of what was going on.
Going forward it reads as though there may be a bit more input. Whichever way you slice it, it's been handled very poorly and the club have left themselves open to a lot of scrutiny.
 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: random on April 16, 2014, 22:59:38 pm
Almost everything has been handled poorly in the last 10 years Tone that this latest stuff is no surprise to me.

This season on and off the pitch has once again demonstrated how low we have sunk. Finally some fans are actually realising what is going on. I'm afraid it might take non-league football for it to sink in for many others.

We have a chairman who did not want to invest in ground / staff improvements for 10 years because of this so called development. We could not improve the match day experience if it cost anything, (ie. move the ticket sales cabins, signage, etc etc) but suddenly we have great big County signs all over Sixfields. To me that clearly demonstrates exactly where DC is regarding NTFC the football club.

Please tell me something that has improved at Sixfields in the last 5 years?


DC feels that his £7 million has kept the club afloat and should give him authority to do just what he wants to get his money back. In any other business it would be true but not with professional football clubs. It is our club and he is absolutely destroying it, if this development goes ahead as is it will put us back 20 years or more.

You only have to look at Oxford, their former chairman built the ground, well started, got his hotel built and then left. It looks like history is repeating itself.

Roger, the Trust soon have to make a stand, either they are with the club / fans or with the chairman.
DC has little interest in the fans, or the team / club in the medium or long term.

With the development nothing has been mentioned regarding the supporters bar, the club shop, the ticket sales, the food and catering etc, nothing regarding the Trust have an office or meeting centre. Nothing.
Anyone trying to grow a club knows how important looking after the players and facilities are. Did you see the before and after East Stand photos, well they clearly show why we are bottom, WTF !
Has anything been said about training facilities or youth setup etc ?

Marvo. £10 million on stadium and training facilities every time.  Look at WBA, years ago they got into the Prem and struggled. The fans were calling for £5 m signings to stay up. The board refused and invested in the ground, staff and state of art training facilities. 10 years on or whatever, they are a reasonable prem club because their facilities allow them to attract the players and keep the better ones.

DC has already spent £7 million your way, on players and managers, look where it has got us, then look around the ground, look at those east stand photos.

Look also at Rotherham, fantastic new ground, look at their league position. But also look at their ball boys, all in matching track suits, even matching gloves and a nice seat to sit on, look at our ball boys, spot the difference.

Running a football club is bloody hard work, those with the passion do so much better than those without. 








Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: random on April 16, 2014, 23:03:14 pm
The same passion goes for the fans too

Too many not bothered or too frightened


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 16, 2014, 23:12:58 pm
Has everyone looked at the plans? Surely this can't cost much of our £12m? I was of the impression that this fund would not be exhausted over this phase of the 'redevelopment'.

http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=4185361&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf
Shows the small extension to the West that will house the 3 boxes on stilts, the boxes will not be pitch facing which is very odd to me!

http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=4185362&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf
This shows the ground floor and what will be the internal layout of the west including new place for the club shop etc. Note the size of the Restaurant Function Room - does not look like an 800 seater to me!

http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=4185364&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf
This shows the boxes on the second level which will stick out over the current box office entrance and include private toilets and kitchen facilities with private corridors to enter their seats in the West Stand.

Looks very poor to me!

I have given myself neck ache looking at these plans. There are 40 seats available in the "box seating area", which you would assume would be filled on match day, by directors, their partners, and associated lackeys. Thus leaving little scope for additional new customers.
This then raises the point about non match day revenue, which is surely the whole point of the development. Why would anybody want to hire a box with a view across a car park? If I held a meeting at an "executive box" at a football ground, then I would at the very least expect to be able to see the pitch. They could be built in the car park at far less cost. It will be interesting to see how they are marketed.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on April 16, 2014, 23:20:10 pm
In fairness Barton I have the meeting recorded somewhere so can you come on here and say that at no time when asked why the trust didn't ask for feedback from the fans the answer was not as I quoted.
I have no idea what was on the trust website but have every idea what was actually said at the meeting regards rocking the boat DC taking no notice and a waste of time etc.
I have no gripe against you personally as I found you a decent bloke and the same goes for Anthony collet.
The point was raised by a chap called tony(no idea if that's everbright) if it is he has gone strangely quiet regards it and the answer was from a lady present on the night along with the trust rep who joined the meeting halfway through.
I can't apologise for things regards the website as I have no idea and it wasn't mentioned during the meeting.
If however you decide that the above events didn't take place feel free to say so.
I wouldn't go as far as saying you are a liar but I can assure you that if you think the above scenario did not occur it is you who are mistaken.
I won't ask for an apology as I realise that anyone can make a genuine mistake.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 16, 2014, 23:30:06 pm
In fairness Barton I have the meeting recorded somewhere
(http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/10-1.gif)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 16, 2014, 23:32:06 pm
Up it on soundcloud


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 16, 2014, 23:38:21 pm
In fairness Barton I have the meeting recorded somewhere so can you come on here and say that at no time when asked why the trust didn't ask for feedback from the fans the answer was not as I quoted.
I have no idea what was on the trust website but have every idea what was actually said at the meeting regards rocking the boat DC taking no notice and a waste of time etc.
I have no gripe against you personally as I found you a decent bloke and the same goes for Anthony collet.
The point was raised by a chap called tony(no idea if that's everbright) if it is he has gone strangely quiet regards it and the answer was from a lady present on the night along with the trust rep who joined the meeting halfway through.
I can't apologise for things regards the website as I have no idea and it wasn't mentioned during the meeting.
If however you decide that the above events didn't take place feel free to say so.
I wouldn't go as far as saying you are a liar but I can assure you that if you think the above scenario did not occur it is you who are mistaken.
I won't ask for an apology as I realise that anyone can make a genuine mistake.
So are you saying what I put on here , the minutes of the meeting are untrue ? These are documented and agreed as a true reflection of the meeting. Like I said before there were at least 3 people at that meeting who were not Trust board members ,you yourself say you don't know who were guests  and who were board members , yet you come on here stating " the Trust said this the Trust said that" when you admit you didn't know who was who. You really ought to get your facts right.  What has the website got to do with this ,nobody mentioned the website ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 16, 2014, 23:47:00 pm
Up it on soundcloud
I feel that be beyond Shoeys capabilities. (no offence mate)  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 17, 2014, 00:12:21 am
Almost everything has been handled poorly in the last 10 years Tone that this latest stuff is no surprise to me.

This season on and off the pitch has once again demonstrated how low we have sunk. Finally some fans are actually realising what is going on. I'm afraid it might take non-league football for it to sink in for many others.

We have a chairman who did not want to invest in ground / staff improvements for 10 years because of this so called development. We could not improve the match day experience if it cost anything, (ie. move the ticket sales cabins, signage, etc etc) but suddenly we have great big County signs all over Sixfields. To me that clearly demonstrates exactly where DC is regarding NTFC the football club.

Please tell me something that has improved at Sixfields in the last 5 years?


DC feels that his £7 million has kept the club afloat and should give him authority to do just what he wants to get his money back. In any other business it would be true but not with professional football clubs. It is our club and he is absolutely destroying it, if this development goes ahead as is it will put us back 20 years or more.

You only have to look at Oxford, their former chairman built the ground, well started, got his hotel built and then left. It looks like history is repeating itself.

Roger, the Trust soon have to make a stand, either they are with the club / fans or with the chairman.
DC has little interest in the fans, or the team / club in the medium or long term.

With the development nothing has been mentioned regarding the supporters bar, the club shop, the ticket sales, the food and catering etc, nothing regarding the Trust have an office or meeting centre. Nothing.
Anyone trying to grow a club knows how important looking after the players and facilities are. Did you see the before and after East Stand photos, well they clearly show why we are bottom, WTF !
Has anything been said about training facilities or youth setup etc ?

Marvo. £10 million on stadium and training facilities every time.  Look at WBA, years ago they got into the Prem and struggled. The fans were calling for £5 m signings to stay up. The board refused and invested in the ground, staff and state of art training facilities. 10 years on or whatever, they are a reasonable prem club because their facilities allow them to attract the players and keep the better ones.

DC has already spent £7 million your way, on players and managers, look where it has got us, then look around the ground, look at those east stand photos.

Look also at Rotherham, fantastic new ground, look at their league position. But also look at their ball boys, all in matching track suits, even matching gloves and a nice seat to sit on, look at our ball boys, spot the difference.

Running a football club is bloody hard work, those with the passion do so much better than those without. 



Anyone will struggle to dispute any of that and I appreciate that you have been closer than most to have some first hand insight.
The investment in successive managers, players etc cannot be disputed. Poor choices in some instances and an awful amount of bad luck in others, with a net result of currently staring at the trap door.
The prime examples of where we should (but haven't IMO) come on leaps and bounds are the ticketing, club shop, match ticket marketing etc. You can add catering but most clubs serve up over priced crap and I've heard good feedback about the match day VIP packages and have enjoyed one myself. Like you said, it is hard work and who knows if anyone here would do a better job. However, from the outside and comparing to other customer experiences with similar sized outfits, the overall picture is disappointing. We'd all like us to be (and have been) a growing entity, on and off the pitch.
The no.1 focus from day one for the current owners would have been to develop the area, with only the most blinkered thinking otherwise.
I've no doubt that DC has long since fallen in love with the footballing side of matters, it's natural if you own the club! I just think that he either hasn't surrounded himself with the best people, or is that bloody minded that it's going to be his way or the highway and that his way hasn't always been in line with the best interests of OUR club as paying customers and in many cases with a lifetime of emotional investment!
I hate to say it but I look on in envy anytime I am in the vacinity of the MK Donkeys or see their promo stand in shopping centre.

I know Marvo said that the fans will 'drive him out' or words to that effect. I don't think so. He is at the most critical stage of his Cobblers adventure so far and I'm sure he is more than thick skinned enough to read some heart felt messages, granted some is bordering on bile. If it is an opportunity to feel the pulse of the fanbase, then it is a positive forum for him and others to read how a cross section of the support is feeling. Assuming they read the board of course.  ;)




Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 17, 2014, 00:22:19 am
So are you saying what I put on here , the minutes of the meeting are untrue ? These are documented and agreed as a true reflection of the meeting.

The plans for the East stand are documented... whether they are a true reflection of the new east stand or not is debatable as are any scribed minutes to any meeting in the world.

For example "Andy Clark feedback back points learnt from meeting his meeting with Steve Allen" doesn't actually give us the points that Andy Clark feedback back back thus missing the vital information. Rendering this particular meeting note completely useless and not a true reflection of what was discussed at the meeting at all, as I'm sure Andy Clark didn't just say 'yes I had a meeting my meeting with Steve Allen, thanks for coming'.

P.S. I wasn't at the meeting as I don't see the point of people with no influence asking people with even less influence to gather round and discuss people who do have an influence who are only notable by their absence.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on April 17, 2014, 09:01:09 am
So are you saying what I put on here , the minutes of the meeting are untrue ? These are documented and agreed as a true reflection of the meeting. Like I said before there were at least 3 people at that meeting who were not Trust board members ,you yourself say you don't know who were guests  and who were board members , yet you come on here stating " the Trust said this the Trust said that" when you admit you didn't know who was who. You really ought to get your facts right.  What has the website got to do with this ,nobody mentioned the website ?
If apologies are due roger then you have them.
However can you not acknowledge that an elderly gentleman by the name of tony raised a point about the redevelopment and if it would be possible to gauge fans opinions and report the findings via the trust to DC.
The response was that of not rocking the boat and why would he listen as he could do whatever he decided to anyway.
That's the bare bones of my point.
You are right as regards non trust attendees but people like yourself and ant collet er al all seemed decent people as I said on here after reporting on the meeting.
However as one cobblers fan to another I do find it unfair that no one will acknowledge this and would rather hang me out to dry when I'm just stating a question and the answer given.
Maybe in future all trust meetings could be recorded and put up on the site for people to hear in the interest of openness.
I have played with a straight bat and backed the hard work done by the trust as regards fundraising and away travel etc roger but I do think that an overriding impression of not rocking the boat does not help going forward and maybe the trust board need someone to ask the difficult questions rather than be content to tow the party line.
It isn't my wish to fall out with anyone regards fellow cobblers fans but I do think that the whole redevelopment saga and the lack of fans input is not going to help the club to go forward.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: brickowski on April 17, 2014, 11:36:19 am
Is this the most boring thread in the history of the world?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Shoemaker on April 17, 2014, 11:47:16 am
Is this the most boring thread in the history of the world?
Yes and il sit back again and let others debate something that may/may not happen.
Fact is no one knows what kind of ground the fans will end up sitting in.
My doubts that it would be a fully enclosed 10,000 seater stadium seem to have been well founded though.
I'm actually well past caring anyway.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 17, 2014, 12:24:45 pm
If I held a meeting at an "executive box" at a football ground, then I would at the very least expect to be able to see the pitch.

You are supposed to concentrate on the meeting, not gaze out of the window.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 17, 2014, 13:33:26 pm
If I held a meeting at an "executive box" at a football ground, then I would at the very least expect to be able to see the pitch.

You are supposed to concentrate on the meeting, not gaze out of the window.

To be fair, assuming that the meeting was held on a match day...it would be easier to concentrate in the meeting if the box did have a view of the pitch.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on April 17, 2014, 16:53:33 pm
Sixfields has always been an embarrassment, no other club has managed to build such an uninspiring stadium since. It now seems we are set to repeat the same mistake.

Rumour has it that Ballast Needham offered to second tier both the north and south stands for just £1m whilst still under construction, but this was turned down by our forward thinking officials at the time. What would this cost now? How much did it cost the club in lost revenue after Wembley and all the away fans from well supported clubs that we turned away? It cost us relegation and the start of this downward spiral.

Now some 20 years on and it appears we're finally getting the essential commercial and off pitch facilities required but the capacity issue and DC's sudden U turn raises serious questions.

It's all well and good looking towards restaurants, hotels etc but nearly one third of all new catering ventures close within one year, it's hugely competitive and expensive to set up. No guarantee of success let alone instant return.

Bums on seats are easy. (If the teams worth watching!) Painfully looking at MK and their aspirations, did they really need to put in the top tier of seats now? They did, and that enabled them to put 8800 Wolves fans in recently, at £20 a pop that's an extra £176,000 in one afternoon. How long do you realistically think that would take to make in prawn sandwiches?

Chesterfield cost £13m, Rotherham £20m to build entire new stadiums with both commercial facilities and a realistic capacity so why we cant put 2500-3000 seats in now is frankly shocking. Talk of adding to the north/south is pure fantasy, will cost 3 or 4 times more later and will probably take another 20 years.

I'm very grateful to DC for what he has tried to do but this change in plan seems like an exit strategy for him and not a future for NTFC. The acquired loan is enough to do both and we should expect both.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 17, 2014, 16:57:07 pm
Painfully looking at MK and their aspirations, did they really need to put in the top tier of seats now?

Yes. It was part of the agreement in holding some of the Rugby World Cup games there. It also has something to do with Tottenham but i can't recall what.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: ajp on April 17, 2014, 16:58:17 pm
How long have those 'County Group' banners been on the West Stand? Re-Development is full swing  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on April 17, 2014, 17:19:47 pm
Yes. It was part of the agreement in holding some of the Rugby World Cup games there. It also has something to do with Tottenham but i can't recall what.

Thank you Mountie Marvo. It's obvious PW is an astute businessman as he is a child snatcher.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 17, 2014, 17:24:15 pm
Yes. It was part of the agreement in holding some of the Rugby World Cup games there. It also has something to do with Tottenham but i can't recall what.
thinking long term. we dont even think now let alone short term


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 17, 2014, 17:34:29 pm
There you go, I knew I'd seen something along these lines.

Link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2596913/Tottenham-consider-groundshare-Milton-Keynes-Dons-new-400m-stadium-built.html)

That may not be a clever move by the Donkeys, there has to be a chance that Spurs could lure some of the locals away when they return to London?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 17, 2014, 17:51:16 pm
There you go, I knew I'd seen something along these lines.

Link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2596913/Tottenham-consider-groundshare-Milton-Keynes-Dons-new-400m-stadium-built.html)

That may not be a clever move by the Donkeys, there has to be a chance that Spurs could lure some of the locals away when they return to London?
Hopefully. But if spurs have 47,000 people on their season ticket waiting list as the article says then the amount that will go on general sale to the mk public will depend on how many don't want to travel to mk and how they allocate away tickets.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on April 17, 2014, 19:26:54 pm
thinking long term. we dont even think now let alone short term

Exactly. So short term DC can rip up submitted plans even before the ink dries.

With the current 5-10 year plan working so well what assurances have we that the club can make a success of the off field ventures? Based on the current cuisine served up at Sixfields I doubt Heston Blumenthal is losing any sleep.

This is why we need the extra seats as promised while the cash is available. We may have a poor side now but who knows what could happen. Maybe another concert etc. It's all about capacity whether that's for corporate arses or ours.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on April 17, 2014, 19:35:29 pm
I think the questions really need putting to the Chairman, what the hell is going on ? Why is the club being short changed on this ? A once in a lifetime chance to build a stadium that holds a good sized crowd and its not being done.

 Now is the time for the Trust to show that it can ask leading questions.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: New Dawn Fades on April 17, 2014, 19:44:17 pm
Exactly. So short term DC can rip up submitted plans even before the ink dries.

With the current 5-10 year plan working so well what assurances have we that the club can make a success of the off field ventures? Based on the current cuisine served up at Sixfields I doubt Heston Blumenthal is losing any sleep.
This is why we need the extra seats as promised while the cash is available. We may have a poor side now but who knows what could happen. Maybe another concert etc. It's all about capacity whether that's for corporate arses or ours.
To give the club some credit, The executive restaurant is very good. Have only good things to say about it. The hospitality side in general is good if a little small. Hence the need for the extra space/Iso containers.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on April 17, 2014, 19:50:46 pm
Looking at the plans for the west stand, the directors boxes as they are called are not traditional boxes where you watch out of a window.  They are effectively hosting areas for meals before and after a game.  These will be served by their own kitchen and toilets.  People using these facilities will then sit in special directors seats in the west stand upper tier pretty much as they do now.  

I spoke to someone at the club today who confirmed that the east stand will still have the hotel and conference centre attached.  But instead it will lose a few thousand planned seats to house 16 boxes which is nearly double the intended number.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 17, 2014, 19:58:09 pm
 

I spoke to someone at the club today who confirmed that the east stand will still have the hotel and conference centre attached.  But instead it will lose a few thousand planned seats to house 16 boxes which is nearly double the intended number.

If the 16 new boxes are utilised every week then this makes sense, the extra couple of thousand seats would rarely be used in the near future barring a big FA Cup game. If they were filled once a season, would they make more than the boxes do throughout the season? I don't know. Obviously Cardoza believes that will be the case.

The thing I can't get my head round is this. The one person who stands to make anything out of this is the one person who doesn't believe the extra seats are that vital at this moment in time. If you're all right and he's wrong, it's his pocket that is going to be hit, not mine, not yours.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on April 17, 2014, 20:03:03 pm
I'm sure the food served up is fine but what's the profit margin?

What is the club currently making on the executive restaurant?

2500 seats could potentially bring in £50k in one afternoon, you would have to be one very successful restaurant to come close to that in a month after costs.

20 years without even a cardboard box now there all over the place.

Stinks of knee jerk short term thinking exactly what has got us into this mess. If such a great business plan why was this not submitted to gain the finance?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 17, 2014, 20:11:22 pm
It was nothing to do with NTFC even if Ballast Needham did offer to double the North & South on the cheap. It was , and still is , a council owned stadium.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 17, 2014, 20:40:52 pm
Once these  sh1t looking boxes on stilts go in at the back of the east stand, that will be it for sixfields chance of ever looking like a proper stadium.

Our club has been mothballed for over a decade in the hope that we would get a decent fit for purpose stadium, but our golden opportunity has been destroyed by the chairman.

Our only hope is he goes and the Saints take pity and allow a ground share.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: New Dawn Fades on April 17, 2014, 20:44:47 pm
We`ll have Franklins Gardens when they move to M.K...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on April 17, 2014, 20:59:53 pm
Once these  sh1t looking boxes on stilts go in at the back of the east stand, that will be it for sixfields chance of ever looking like a proper stadium.

Our club has been mothballed for over a decade in the hope that we would get a decent fit for purpose stadium, but our golden opportunity has been destroyed by the chairman.

Our only hope is he goes and the Saints take pity and allow a ground share.

Where did all this talk about boxes on stilts behind the east stand come from? ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 17, 2014, 21:26:25 pm
Where did all this talk about boxes on stilts behind the east stand come from? ???
If we are having West Stand boxes on stilts, why not the East as well? Bigger stilt discount if purchased in bulk.   :D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 17, 2014, 21:27:16 pm
If we are having West Stand boxes on stilts, why not the East as well? Bigger stilt discount if purchased in bulk.   :D

Clarence will be on stilts next season if Cardoza has his way.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 17, 2014, 21:29:34 pm
Clarence will be on stilts next season if Cardoza has his way.
So they can look each other in the eye..?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 17, 2014, 21:35:28 pm
So they can look each other in the eye..?

Impossible as Cardoza will be looking out to Frankie and Bennys while Clarence will be housed in the East Stand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on April 17, 2014, 21:40:19 pm
It was nothing to do with NTFC even if Ballast Needham did offer to double the North & South on the cheap. It was , and still is , a council owned stadium.

Your right, for the benefit of the football club and the community. Now it's to become a private restaurant with a football club attached.

Flip flop Dave. The stadium was designed with expansion in mind we were told, footings are in place and the north, east and south stands roofs were designed to facilitate that. DC has decided to throw all that to the wind and squeeze in bits here, bits there with no co-ordination whatsoever.

The original plans submitted for the east look about right. The correct balance, but no, now the money is in the bag he's had another bright idea to stick hospitality anywhere he can. Another scattergun approach to our beloved now laughed at club.

He's messed up playing football boss now he's recouping what he can. As I said, this sudden U-turn is an exit strategy, Cardoza family damage limitation.

We never wanted rugby league, sharing with Coventry or Conference football, we just wanted a mildly successful football club to be proud of.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 17, 2014, 21:56:48 pm
"Stilt Army!"


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 17, 2014, 21:58:37 pm
Your right, for the benefit of the football club and the community. Now it's to become a private restaurant with a football club attached.

Flip flop Dave. The stadium was designed with expansion in mind we were told, footings are in place and the north, east and south stands roofs were designed to facilitate that. DC has decided to throw all that to the wind and squeeze in bits here, bits there with no co-ordination whatsoever.

The original plans submitted for the east look about right. The correct balance, but no, now the money is in the bag he's had another bright idea to stick hospitality anywhere he can. Another scattergun approach to our beloved now laughed at club.

He's messed up playing football boss now he's recouping what he can. As I said, this sudden U-turn is an exit strategy, Cardoza family damage limitation.

We never wanted rugby league, sharing with Coventry or Conference football, we just wanted a mildly successful football club to be proud of.

Is your owner still a white van man(n)?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on April 17, 2014, 22:02:57 pm
The worst thing about this is that the club don't seem to want to tell the fans what they are doing.  The speculation that it is causing is beyond insane.  The original plans for the east stand were clear and informative.  All we've heard is drip drops of second hand information.  I have no idea what half of you are talking about with your boxes on stilts behind the east stand and £12m restaurants.  As far as I'm aware the east stand is still happening but with extra boxes and less seating.  Conference and hotel facilities will still sit behind the east stand. The west stand will now have a major overhaul internally with a larger club shop, family bar and members bar.  Whether these will be accessible during half time I'm not sure. The directors and invitees will have new facilities, part of which will be in the new extension that will stick out of the back of the west stand on stilts.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 17, 2014, 22:39:29 pm
The worst thing about this is that the club don't seem to want to tell the fans what they are doing.  The speculation that it is causing is beyond insane.  The original plans for the east stand were clear and informative.  All we've heard is drip drops of second hand information.  I have no idea what half of you are talking about with your boxes on stilts behind the east stand and £12m restaurants.  As far as I'm aware the east stand is still happening but with extra boxes and less seating.  Conference and hotel facilities will still sit behind the east stand. The west stand will now have a major overhaul internally with a larger club shop, family bar and members bar.  Whether these will be accessible during half time I'm not sure. The directors and invitees will have new facilities, part of which will be in the new extension that will stick out of the back of the west stand on stilts.

You forgot to add that you are the project manager of the build  :P

It's actually growing on me. We could easily end up with the quirkiest stadium in the country. Who wants to end up with one of those run of the mill bowl style grounds like Stadium MK, the Madjeski, the Ricoh and the Amex? They are so yesterday. All we need now is a new name. 'The house that Dave built' maybe.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 17, 2014, 23:16:59 pm
We`ll have Franklins Gardens when they move to M.K...

Better idea still, we should just do a ground swap. We'll take the Gardens and they can take over Sixfields, a site which could house a 30,000 capacity stadium.
Can you imagine what the new Sixfields would look like if the rugger boys were in charge of drawing up the plans ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on April 17, 2014, 23:38:52 pm
Better idea still, we should just do a ground swap. We'll take the Gardens and they can take over Sixfields, a site which could house a 30,000 capacity stadium.
Can you imagine what the new Sixfields would look like if the rugger boys were in charge of drawing up the plans ;D

It would never happen but it would actually make a lot of sense for both parties.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on April 18, 2014, 08:07:20 am
Is your owner still a white van man(n)?

 ;D His drivings a bit ruff too! When ever I see a pile up I sing "You've been watching Aidy Mann"

Not as ruff as stadium Dave though  :-[


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 18, 2014, 08:25:28 am
Welcome to the Cardozadome


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 18, 2014, 08:40:24 am
Stiltfields Stadium.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 18, 2014, 09:24:59 am
The Sixstilt Arena.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 18, 2014, 10:10:17 am
It would never happen but it would actually make a lot of sense for both parties.

Wouldn't it just.

Right, me and Big Dave, and a few thousand others, are off now to see what a 10,000 capacity stadium looks like >:D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 18, 2014, 11:42:33 am
Wouldn't it just.

Right, me and Big Dave, and a few thousand others, are off now to see what a 10,000 capacity stadium looks like >:D

With executive boxes that they can't sell for 7-10k a season (dependant on how close to the half way line they are!!), so much so that they are available for hire on a match to match basis for £500!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 18, 2014, 12:26:37 pm
Look at WBA, years ago they got into the Prem and struggled. The fans were calling for £5 m signings to stay up. The board refused and invested in the ground, staff and state of art training facilities. 10 years on or whatever, they are a reasonable prem club because their facilities allow them to attract the players and keep the better ones.

Up and down like a ****'s drawers and with gross "parachute payments" from 3 relegations. I can see how they can be used as an example for us to follow.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 18, 2014, 20:11:15 pm
Surely converting the east stand into the one with boxes at Wycombe would be achievable and make the positive difference the fans and Cardoza wants? All this bitty stuff is completely uninspiring.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 18, 2014, 20:22:54 pm
Surely converting the east stand into the one with boxes at Wycombe would be achievable and make the positive difference the fans and Cardoza wants?
I think that there is a big difference between what the fans want, and what Cardoza will provide.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 18, 2014, 20:26:08 pm
I accept that but surely a stNd like wycombes would show some ambition and would provide Cardoza with his aims.
On the way home today we were discussing all the teams that have had major ground developments and all of them showed some ambition which has paid off for so many.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 18, 2014, 20:52:44 pm
I accept that but surely a stNd like wycombes would show some ambition and would provide Cardoza with his aims.
On the way home today we were discussing all the teams that have had major ground developments and all of them showed some ambition which has paid off for so many.
I have lost faith in what will be delivered. We are all going to be very disappointed.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 18, 2014, 21:46:27 pm
I have lost faith in what will be delivered. We are all going to be very disappointed.
Not me. I expect it to be **** so won't be disappointed.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 19, 2014, 07:42:32 am
Look at WBA, years ago they got into the Prem and struggled. The fans were calling
 for £5 m signings to stay up. The board refused and invested in the ground, staff and state of art training facilities. 10 years on or whatever, they are a reasonable prem club because their facilities allow them to attract the players and keep the better ones.


Up and down like a ****'s drawers and with gross "parachute payments" from 3 relegations. I can see how they can be used as an example for us to follow.
last relegated 5 years ago. Finished 8th last year. I'd like to follow this example please. Their business plan factored in they'd get relegated in their first season in the prem so they knew they'd get parachite payments. They had 2 or 3 yo yo years, which they knew they'd have, and they used this money to cement a future in the top flight. Which they look to have done. Like I say. I'd swap.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 19, 2014, 13:09:33 pm
last relegated 5 years ago. Finished 8th last year. I'd like to follow this example please. Their business plan factored in they'd get relegated in their first season in the prem so they knew they'd get parachite payments. They had 2 or 3 yo yo years, which they knew they'd have, and they used this money to cement a future in the top flight. Which they look to have done. Like I say. I'd swap.

They must have had a five year plan :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 19, 2014, 14:05:36 pm
Well, marquess, would you have been happy with the first relegation? And the second? And the third? Or is this simply hindsight? And another relegation is still only just about off the cards.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 19, 2014, 15:18:36 pm
I'd be happy with doncasters yo yo between championship and league 1 never mind west brom.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 19, 2014, 15:24:10 pm
I'd be happy with doncasters yo yo between championship and league 1 never mind west brom.
I too would be happy with this example.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 19, 2014, 15:29:50 pm
All built on a decent redevelopment too


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: random on April 19, 2014, 19:29:50 pm
yep Doncaster a good example too  deffo

The point about WBA was that before that first promo they were Champ / Div 1 even.

Now they are Prem / top Champ,  in short Cricketside they moved forward due to FORWARD planning. Obviously Prem money builds a lot of infrastructure but they made that decision for the long term.

DC always promised that the development was to drive the club forward and all improvement would be made then. Boxes on stilts does not seem that much of an improvement for £7.5 mill

Interestingly Wycombe have a nice stand with many boxes, have outside signage, have £800 draw prize, but when you look closely they have let the ground decay quite a bit and are obviously as low as us. To me having boxes does NOT mean that much. It is the whole focus of the club

The players /  management are 85% of the success of a club but that to me goes down massively if the club is falling down around them.

At the end of the day we are 23rd with a top 7 budget  WHY WHY WHY?     The answer is not executive boxes or lack of them.

Did Doncaster become a big club after their new stadium move? Did they invest in the club and staff not just the players?  I don't know nor do i know what it has cost them but is their Chairman just interested in development or is he interested in the football club??





Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: nn2cobbler on April 19, 2014, 21:02:05 pm
Just read this on the OS:

"I appreciate fans want to know certainties but while trying to fit an 18 month project into around 5 months we have to be flexible and retain an open mind to help the club benefit to the maximum," writes Chairman David Cardoza in Monday's programme, talking about the re-development.

"If the developers come to us tomorrow and say ‘you can have this instead’ and it improves the stadium we are not going to say ‘sorry, we have announced we are doing that instead, so no thanks.’ We will continue to do the best we can to generate the best facilities for the club and the supporters until the line in the sand has to be drawn and the building commenced."

What struck me as odd is when he talks about "the developers" presenting alternatives to what was originally planned. DC and his father are directors of the developers so effectively its one of the same. The changes appear to be emanating from DC/NTFC so why present it like a third party is constantly moving the goalposts? 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 19, 2014, 21:36:25 pm
So, random, are you saying they deliberately got relegated, with low cost players, so they could develop the ground? Then get relegated again to do a bit more? And then a third relegation to upgrade the toilets? It's still only 'upgraded' and holds under 26,000. Our supporters would be pretty pissed off if, after all that, we were struggling again. What do they do with their millions?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 19, 2014, 22:29:24 pm
Just read this on the OS:

"I appreciate fans want to know certainties but while trying to fit an 18 month project into around 5 months we have to be flexible and retain an open mind to help the club benefit to the maximum," writes Chairman David Cardoza in Monday's programme, talking about the re-development.

"If the developers come to us tomorrow and say ‘you can have this instead’ and it improves the stadium we are not going to say ‘sorry, we have announced we are doing that instead, so no thanks.’ We will continue to do the best we can to generate the best facilities for the club and the supporters until the line in the sand has to be drawn and the building commenced."
 


Bizarre and worrying statement in equal measures. Talking about his own company in a third person perspective and citing having to do an 18 month project in 5?!
So basically it will be a rush job held together with No More Nails, especially as they still don't appear to know what they are building from one week to the next. It's not like they haven't had 10 years to think about it.
Here's an idea. Deliver some improvements where people say "Wow, that's impressive, I bet that cost £7.5 million."


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 19, 2014, 22:44:50 pm
Why rush it in 5 months, don't get it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: nn2cobbler on April 19, 2014, 22:55:34 pm
Why rush it in 5 months, don't get it.

I think the idea is to get the majority of building works done in the close season ready for the 14/15 season.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 19, 2014, 23:13:37 pm
We've waited numerous years, I'd rather wait longer and get it done right.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 19, 2014, 23:17:27 pm
Why rush it in 5 months, don't get it.

I have no idea. It wouldn't happen at other clubs.

I guess Dave doesn't want to pay more than 5 months labour?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 19, 2014, 23:21:45 pm
Having waited 10 years while nothing at all happened, surely its sensible to allow 18 months to get the job done correctly and fit for the clubs next and most important chapter..but no, we're smashing it out in just 5 months ??? Very strange.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 20, 2014, 01:39:07 am
 ::) YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 20, 2014, 09:55:04 am
Proof if it was ever needed that some want their poorly thought out investments back ASAP?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 20, 2014, 10:04:05 am
Proof if it was ever needed that some want their poorly thought out investments back ASAP?
That crossed my mind.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 20, 2014, 10:13:29 am
I still don't understand how Saints can do a new stand for £5.5 million that is a complete demolition and rebuild to include nearly 2000 seats, two rows of boxes, supporters bar etc etc.
 Maybe we should have talked to them about how to go about it and get quality and value for money.
Shared costs on architects, tendering for the contractors.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 20, 2014, 10:18:32 am
Maybe the Saints managed to source a much...much...cheaper developer. Who knows?

By the way, those County builders and developers banners are a **** take.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 20, 2014, 10:35:22 am
Maybe the Saints managed to source a much...much...cheaper developer. Who knows?

By the way, those County builders and developers banners are a **** take.
Quite possibly so..
If it's only going to take 5 months we'll know soon enough If the 7.5 million has been spent wisely.
Of interest though, out of which money pot did those appalling County banners come?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on April 20, 2014, 11:11:54 am
If a job takes 18 months, that's how long it takes without cutting corners and making mistakes.

DC is supposed to be a "developer" and we've all been waiting for this moment for "developer" Dave to really show us he knows what he's doing. A decade of planning wasted it seems now it's just throw any idea at our future.

I wouldn't trust DC alone with a set of Lego.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 20, 2014, 11:42:12 am
Its a shame the Chronicle &Echo are so **** scared to do a piece on the Sixfields  debacle, usually any hot topics on here sees them all over it like a rash but on this issue which will have a major impact on the future of Northampton Town FC, they have completely ignored!

Questions I would like to see them ask the Chairman is.

Why change the east stand designs which takes away the chance to have a 10,000 capacity ground which we are desperate for as with out it we can't compete out of league 2?

Corporate/executive boxes and conferencing will be a great asset but why are you building Directors boxes to the detriment of the ground capacity?

Why after a 10 year wait of nothing at all happening to the ground do you believe smashing it together in 6 months instead of a steady progress to properly build a ground fit for purpose, one which will allow the club to progress through the leagues?

Why are the NBC and Chronicle still showing the proposed plans for the East Stand when it has been radically altered to give little or no extra capacity, which misses the point of a redeveloped Sixfields? Are they aware that the £12,000,000 is now not being spent on what was originally proposed.?

If the extra capacity has been mothballed in order to build new and un necessary Imo Directors suites at the top of west, will Funds from the loan be ring fenced in order to give the club the ground capacity it needs in order for it to compete for promotions and will be what towns of similar size have?

Have we as a club blown what is a golden opportunity to deliver a ground we can compete in and grow? Or is there a chance someone pulling the strings begin to see sense and give the Town the Stadium we we're promised not the half arsed revised effort that has been sneakily push through?

I can help with the head lines ... Cobblers have been shafted yet again!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 20, 2014, 12:00:17 pm
Right can any one point to where the plans for the development is currently going to look like? I've seen the proposed directors suite in the West and other West drawings but I've not seen anything for the East apart from the original artists impression of a impressive stand with extra seats and boxes. I've heard people on about boxes on stilts at the back of the East ,where does this come from ? Any info anyone ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on April 20, 2014, 12:09:59 pm
He wants it done quick because DC isn't looking long term anymore.

Daddy Doza "Son you've had your go at getting Northampton to the Championship and it hasn't really worked out has it son? Well we have our opportunity now to restore the damage, so I'll be dictating the smooth exit"

"We'll find you something else to do son"

Why on earth would you want seats for? Slam in as much retail/rental boxes as you can now and rent/sell asap to anyone interested. Just a note Dave, I have noticed the north stand to be sparsely populated at times so maybe a couple of portakabins could be squeezed in there too?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 20, 2014, 12:47:45 pm
I don't know how anyone gets a "smooth exit" unless you are suggesting there are some rather large quotes in there?
A few boxes and whatever conference facilities will take decades to pay back, especially if funding the club at the same time. Plus, it belongs to the council.
Sbedscobb is right, the press should be all over it. Several people I spoke to at Wycombe are alarmed with what is going on (and what isn't) and thankfully people have freedom of speech. There are may of course who think we should be eternally grateful for the funds over the years, to take us where exactly? However, I think it would be unfair for anyone to suggest that DC hasn't backed his managers over the years but that's not enough.
Look at Chesterfield's website. Are they a bigger club than us? Everything associated with us feels tin pot and it's taken some longer to realise than others that something is inherently wrong at the heart of the club.

Anyway, Happy Easter!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on April 20, 2014, 16:19:26 pm
He wants it done quick because DC isn't looking long term anymore.

Daddy Doza "Son you've had your go at getting Northampton to the Championship and it hasn't really worked out has it son? Well we have our opportunity now to restore the damage, so I'll be dictating the smooth exit"

"We'll find you something else to do son"

Why on earth would you want seats for? Slam in as much retail/rental boxes as you can now and rent/sell asap to anyone interested. Just a note Dave, I have noticed the north stand to be sparsely populated at times so maybe a couple of portakabins could be squeezed in there too?
Please show what proof you have for your your comments or are you talking 100% sh*t!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Coolcat on April 20, 2014, 17:01:52 pm
Please show what proof you have for your your comments or are you talking 100% sh*t!

Think we'll find that Aidy Mann's woof's suspicions are very likely to be right down the correct road and far from 100% sh*t...you just don't want to face it!

Heads in the sand attitude has been a characteristic provoking long debate, argument and controversy on this very forum. 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on April 20, 2014, 17:07:28 pm
Right can any one point to where the plans for the development is currently going to look like? I've seen the proposed directors suite in the West and other West drawings but I've not seen anything for the East apart from the original artists impression of a impressive stand with extra seats and boxes. I've heard people on about boxes on stilts at the back of the East ,where does this come from ? Any info anyone ?

You are right.  There's been no new plans for the east or even confirmed details about what they are now planning in the east.  This is what ive been saying for the last week. I have no idea where people have got the boxes on stilts behind the east from.  There could be truth in it but I've yet to see any evidence.  If the club are planning any external alterations to the east stand then they will need to resubmit their plans.  If th contstruct the stand as proposed but alter the amount of seats and boxes internally then they probably won't need to resubmit planning.

The plans for the west won't cost a lot.  So there is clealy a lot of the borrowed £12m left.  How much goes on the stands and how much goes on the hotel and conferencing facilities we will have to wait and see.  My only assumption is that the club haven't decided yet exactly what they are doing.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Turf Claret on April 20, 2014, 17:50:58 pm
You are right.  There's been no new plans for the east or even confirmed details about what they are now planning in the east.....................

......................The plans for the west won't cost a lot.  So there is clealy a lot of the borrowed £12m left.  How much goes on the stands and how much goes on the hotel and conferencing facilities we will have to wait and see.  My only assumption is that the club haven't decided yet exactly what they are doing.

May I be the first to suggest then, that in the same way that most referees are informed throughout a match: "they don't know what they're ......."


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 20, 2014, 17:57:49 pm
...as with out it we can't compete out of league 2?

We can compete in  the Skrill.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 20, 2014, 18:00:16 pm
Lee lee, they need stopping in their tracks.

They are taking the p155.

Cardoza needs to give us a 10,000 capacity as promised to the NBC and the people of Northampton.
The proposed East stand  shown in the drawings has to be built as promised.

We've waited long enough, time to deliver, or go!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 20, 2014, 18:02:53 pm
...as with out it we can't compete out of league 2?

We can compete in  the Skrill.
If that's your wish ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sussexcobbler on April 20, 2014, 18:51:09 pm
I think somewhere along the line, the whole 10k requirement for the championship has been taken as fact, when in fact it is total nonsense.  The only requirement for Championship football is that it is all seater.  The only capacity criteria for the whole of the football league is that you must have a capacity of at least 4k, with the potential to take it to 5k.  Our stadium clearly meets the criteria so why do we need a 10k stadium?  Surely at 8k with 3k empty seats and more corporate facilities is better than a 10k stadium with 5k empty seats and less corporate facilities.  IF we EVER get to the Championship it would take very little to fill in the corners and get us another couple of thousand seats.

It is so frustrating to see so many people arguing over this mystery 10k figure without knowing what they are talking about, and before anyone tries to shoot me down....

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20130704/appendix-1_2293633_2128158

Now go find something else to have a moan about...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 20, 2014, 19:17:33 pm
I think somewhere along the line, the whole 10k requirement for the championship has been taken as fact, when in fact it is total nonsense.  The only requirement for Championship football is that it is all seater.  The only capacity criteria for the whole of the football league is that you must have a capacity of at least 4k, with the potential to take it to 5k.  Our stadium clearly meets the criteria so why do we need a 10k stadium?  Surely at 8k with 3k empty seats and more corporate facilities is better than a 10k stadium with 5k empty seats and less corporate facilities.  IF we EVER get to the Championship it would take very little to fill in the corners and get us another couple of thousand seats.

It is so frustrating to see so many people arguing over this mystery 10k figure without knowing what they are talking about, and before anyone tries to shoot me down....

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20130704/appendix-1_2293633_2128158

Now go find something else to have a moan about...
You sir have missed the point by a 100 miles,

Quick food for thought... we were given a loan and Cardoza promised to deliver a fit for purpose stadium, so even he agrees its not viable to compete and sustain any promotion campaign if we have a tiny ground that can house just 6000 local people from a population of 220,000 and allow just 1200 visiting fans to a centrally located ground, but we would be unable to capitalise on the dozens of teams who could easily request over 3,4 or 5000 tickets, so simple  mathematics show we need capacity.

You are in the minority of 2 on here or you have misunderstood the thread?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 20, 2014, 19:20:49 pm
I think somewhere along the line, the whole 10k requirement for the championship has been taken as fact, when in fact it is total nonsense.  The only requirement for Championship football is that it is all seater.  The only capacity criteria for the whole of the football league is that you must have a capacity of at least 4k, with the potential to take it to 5k.  Our stadium clearly meets the criteria so why do we need a 10k stadium?  Surely at 8k with 3k empty seats and more corporate facilities is better than a 10k stadium with 5k empty seats and less corporate facilities.  IF we EVER get to the Championship it would take very little to fill in the corners and get us another couple of thousand seats.

It is so frustrating to see so many people arguing over this mystery 10k figure without knowing what they are talking about, and before anyone tries to shoot me down....

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20130704/appendix-1_2293633_2128158

Now go find something else to have a moan about...

Interesting page that! I noticed that it is a FL requirement to have brighter floodlights next season, in fact almost 40% brighter next season than this in League 2.....and I also notice that the minimum size of the dressing rooms has been increased from 18 square metres to 30 square metres.....funnily enough floodlights and dressing rooms are two of our trumpeted ground improvements......improvements that would have had to be made anyway!!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on April 20, 2014, 19:25:05 pm
I think somewhere along the line, the whole 10k requirement for the championship has been taken as fact, when in fact it is total nonsense.  The only requirement for Championship football is that it is all seater.  The only capacity criteria for the whole of the football league is that you must have a capacity of at least 4k, with the potential to take it to 5k.  Our stadium clearly meets the criteria so why do we need a 10k stadium?  Surely at 8k with 3k empty seats and more corporate facilities is better than a 10k stadium with 5k empty seats and less corporate facilities.  IF we EVER get to the Championship it would take very little to fill in the corners and get us another couple of thousand seats.

It is so frustrating to see so many people arguing over this mystery 10k figure without knowing what they are talking about, and before anyone tries to shoot me down....

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20130704/appendix-1_2293633_2128158

Now go find something else to have a moan about...

That post is far too sensible to have any credence whatsoever on here.
Dont you realise that we need 10000 seats so we can all look at wide open spaces for the next twenty years ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sussexcobbler on April 20, 2014, 19:41:01 pm
That post is far too sensible to have any credence whatsoever on here.
Dont you realise that we need 10000 seats so we can all look at wide open spaces for the next twenty years ?

Just to add further insight into where the £12m will be swallowed up, Premier Inn estimate that a hotel build costs on average £50k per room, so a 100 bedroom hotel would cost £5m, and the likelihood is that our hotel will be significantly bigger than that, plus PI do not build conference facilities as part of it.  A sensible guestimate would be the hotel will cost £7m-£10m but will generate the 365 day income that the redevelopment has always been about. http://www.cnplus.co.uk/home/news-analysis/premier-inns-prime-focus-for-1bn-pipeline/8655650.article#.U1QRr17fYcM

If the hotel, conference centre and improved corporate facilities are a success, these will generate the long term income to put more seats in WHEN we need them.  Do we want to be a Darlo or MK dons who rattled around in a oversized empty stadium?  This would make our current atmosphere look like the old firm derby....

I know its been a rubbish season, but getting on DC's back and questioning his business strategy (which is a perfectly good one - short term cash generation that pays for long term improvements that will eventually result is improved match day revenues and non match day revenues), his integrity, and his intentions are ridiculous.  If this was a man that was ready to walk away, he would not have paid CW's compensation when their are 100's of reasonable managers unemployed and he would not keep putting his money where his mouth is and bringing in new players to try and get us out of this.  Anyone who thinks our club is worth much more £ in the FL than the Conference is deluded, in either league it is only worth the value of its property assets and they are not linked to league position.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 20, 2014, 19:50:32 pm
Chesterfield...12,000
Rotherham....15,000
Peterboro......20,000
Oxford...........12,000
Shrewsbury.....12,000
Watford..........25,000
Brentford........20,000
Wycombe.......10,000
Mk.................30,000
Walsall...........12,000

Cobblers.         7000

Just to add further insight into where the £12m will be swallowed up, Premier Inn estimate that a hotel build costs on average £50k per room, so a 100 bedroom hotel would cost £5m, and the likelihood is that our hotel will be significantly bigger than that, plus PI do not build conference facilities as part of it.  A sensible guestimate would be the hotel will cost £7m-£10m but will generate the 365 day income that the redevelopment has always been about. http://www.cnplus.co.uk/home/news-analysis/premier-inns-prime-focus-for-1bn-pipeline/8655650.article#.U1QRr17fYcM

If the hotel, conference centre and improved corporate facilities are a success, these will generate the long term income to put more seats in WHEN we need them.  Do we want to be a Darlo or MK dons who rattled around in a oversized empty stadium?  This would make our current atmosphere look like the old firm derby....

I know its been a rubbish season, but getting on DC's back and questioning his business strategy (which is a perfectly good one - short term cash generation that pays for long term improvements that will eventually result is improved match day revenues and non match day revenues), his integrity, and his intentions are ridiculous.  If this was a man that was ready to walk away, he would not have paid CW's compensation when their are 100's of reasonable managers unemployed and he would not keep putting his money where his mouth is and bringing in new players to try and get us out of this.  Anyone who thinks our club is worth much more £ in the FL than the Conference is deluded, in either league it is only worth the value of its property assets and they are not linked to league position.

The biggest town on the list with smallest capacity?

We wont always be saddled with non football people, so we need to have the structure in place to attract them.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sussexcobbler on April 20, 2014, 20:03:17 pm
Chesterfield...12,000
Rotherham....15,000
Peterboro......20,000
Oxford...........12,000
Shrewsbury.....12,000
Watford..........25,000
Brentford........20,000
Wycombe.......10,000
Mk.................30,000
Walsall...........12,000

Cobblers.         7000
The biggest town on the list with smallest capacity?

We wont always be saddled with non football people, so we need to have the structure in place to attract them.


Now lets put some facts to that list....



Chesterfield...12,000 ave 6,153
Rotherham....15,000 ave 8,438
Peterboro......20,000 ave 6,347
Oxford...........12,000 ave 5,964
Shrewsbury.....12,000 ave 5,579
Watford..........25,000 ave 15,518
Brentford........20,000 ave 7,549
Wycombe.......10,000 ave 3,541
Mk.................30,000 ave 8,932
Walsall...........12,000 ave 4,876

Cobblers.         7000 ave 4,298

Only some of our support would prioritise building seats that over the course of a season go unused, over building facilities that will be used by non football supporters (hotel/conference) and corporate facilities (ours currently are typically selling out even though they are of port quality).

I'm not saying we won't ever need more seats, I'm just saying we won't need them in the foreseeable future.  When demand gets even close to supply, then build the seats.  There is absolutely no benefit in spending cash on seats that will only be sat on once or twice a season.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: random on April 20, 2014, 20:20:06 pm
Ok Sussex but what happens if when we need them the council won't give (lend) us another £10 million to build the extra seats?

Also why are you so confident that any profit from the hotel will be fed back into the club, never mind the team?

Who will own the hotel that WE have paid for?? bet you it won't be NTFC ltd

The big questions to me at the minute are about how much County Developments (Dave Cardoza, family and friends) are charging to do any work?  What conditions have the council put on the loans to DC / club?

How will the hotel / conference centre earn the club money exactly and how much?

What is happening to the other sixfields development? Are County doing all that too?

The arguments about capacity are nonsense at the minute as under DC we are only going in one direction, carries on like this and we will only need changing rooms ala the racecourse let alone 10 000 capacity.



 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: oop_north on April 20, 2014, 20:27:32 pm

They are taking the p155.


is that a property developer's equivalent of a p45?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: random on April 20, 2014, 20:28:38 pm
Sussex, you need to go to business school if you think DC has good business strategy !

In 10 years we have gone from 1 million debt roughly to £8 million debt, from 17th Div 1 to rock bottom Div 2.

We have no player assets, half? the number of season ticket holders, massive reduction in quality and numbers of staff and still no decent training facilities


We don't even have a 5 year plan any more either. Only an 18 month one that we are some-how going to do in 5 months, yet it took us 3 years to remove an old advert of Giles Coke, that was covered in mold, selling a club tie you couldn't buy !  mind you it was hidden in the west stand concourse opposite the snack bar !!!!!

yeah great way to run and grow a business !!!!!!!!!!!!
  


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 20, 2014, 20:42:04 pm
Just to add further insight into where the £12m will be swallowed up, Premier Inn estimate that a hotel build costs on average £50k per room, so a 100 bedroom hotel would cost £5m, and the likelihood is that our hotel will be significantly bigger than that, plus PI do not build conference facilities as part of it.  A sensible guestimate would be the hotel will cost £7m-£10m but will generate the 365 day income that the redevelopment has always been about. http://www.cnplus.co.uk/home/news-analysis/premier-inns-prime-focus-for-1bn-pipeline/8655650.article#.U1QRr17fYcM

If the hotel, conference centre and improved corporate facilities are a success, these will generate the long term income to put more seats in WHEN we need them.  Do we want to be a Darlo or MK dons who rattled around in a oversized empty stadium?  This would make our current atmosphere look like the old firm derby....



Every report I have read says we are getting a 100 room hotel. In terms of transparency it may be good to publish the split of spend on the hotel and ground. The original plan was the double the size of the East with conference facilities and well as 10 boxes in the west. If like you say the hotel is £7m-£10m then it's not the redevelopment promised. In fact, looking at the old redevelopment plans from 2007, the current plans are the Aldi version.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: New Dawn Fades on April 20, 2014, 20:49:02 pm
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/county-developments-(northampton)

http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/northampton-town-football-club(the)


Interesting...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sussexcobbler on April 20, 2014, 20:52:15 pm
Sussex, you need to go to business school if you think DC has good business strategy !

In 10 years we have gone from 1 million debt roughly to £8 million debt, from 17th Div 1 to rock bottom Div 2.

We have no player assets, half? the number of season ticket holders, massive reduction in quality and numbers of staff and still no decent training facilities


We don't even have a 5 year plan any more either. Only an 18 month one that we are some-how going to do in 5 months, yet it took us 3 years to remove an old advert of Giles Coke, that was covered in mold, selling a club tie you couldn't buy !  mind you it was hidden in the west stand concourse opposite the snack bar !!!!!

yeah great way to run and grow a business !!!!!!!!!!!!
  


I wouldn't get too hung up on the debt, I'm not sure how much you know about taxation so sorry if I am teaching you how to suck eggs.  It is much more tax efficient for a owner to "loan" money to a club rather than "give" it.  Just about every owner does this, even good old Roman A was doing this until the UEFA FFP rules have made this a no-no.  DC would never try to take this money back out of the club, if he did, we would go into Administration, the tax man and "football creditors" would get their cash, and then he would join the list of other creditors who would get at best 10p in the £1 of what is left, and what is left would unlikely be the £70m he would need it to be to get his investment back.  He has wrote that money off already in reality, like pretty much every other owner of a lower league club.

I'm not sure whether you have stats to show the "halving" of season ticket holders, but I don't ever remember having much more than 3k, and I guess we have about 2.5k now, which considering the wider climate and rising cost of living, its not that surprising to see this move south a little.

I admit we have dropped a league, but over our 100 odd year history, we have generally bounced between the bottom two leagues, and I guess none of us would be that surprised if this was the case for the next 100 years, assuming we finish off the great escape this season!

Of course DC has made mistakes, as do most chairman at this level.  Could any of us do a better job, I'm not so sure?

In terms of revenue from the hotel etc, in fairness if this goes into the club, or into DC's pocket is an interesting question.  If DC is committed to the club, which I believe he is, then it really doesn't matter.  If his outside business interests include a hotel puts money in his pocket, this is money that he can channel into the club through tax efficient loans.  If it goes directly to the club, then it is just less money he needs to put in to top us up.

I guess I'm just trying to offer a different well thought out view, I will save my irrational and emotional views for tomorrows game!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on April 20, 2014, 20:54:26 pm
The Cardozas live in Sussex. Just sayin'.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sussexcobbler on April 20, 2014, 20:54:56 pm
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/county-developments-(northampton)

Interesting...

Setting up his own company to do this is smart, what we should be looking out for is when they file their accounts next year to see whether the business turned a profit, or whether it was used as a vehicle to control the project spend.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sussexcobbler on April 20, 2014, 20:56:08 pm
The Cardozas live in Sussex. Just sayin'.


Haha!!!! I wish!  If they do want to move to Horsham though, I have no spare rooms but do have a hammock in the garden!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 20, 2014, 21:17:15 pm
Sussex, the fact we've been sh1te for years doesn't make it alright to assume we must continue as such.

We need a new chapter in this clubs history, one which we Can compete on a level playing field with all other similar sized towns.
I do not want the fitting and fixtures of a bloody hotel to ruin our chance.

The old rule of thumb that was once used to gauge how successful a club could be was by the number of chimney pots, I believe with proper management strategies we could prove this theory correct.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 20, 2014, 21:18:40 pm
Right can any one point to where the plans for the development is currently going to look like? I've seen the proposed directors suite in the West and other West drawings but I've not seen anything for the East apart from the original artists impression of a impressive stand with extra seats and boxes. I've heard people on about boxes on stilts at the back of the East ,where does this come from ? Any info anyone ?

If the supporters trust doesn't know then who the f@ck does?!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 20, 2014, 21:25:14 pm
Setting up his own company to do this is smart, what we should be looking out for is when they file their accounts next year to see whether the business turned a profit, or whether it was used as a vehicle to control the project spend.

I bet it will have a turnover of around.....£12 milion pounds!!  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sussexcobbler on April 20, 2014, 21:46:42 pm
I bet it will have a turnover of around.....£12 milion pounds!!  ;)

the turnover is irrelevant, its the profit that matters and shows their intentions towards the club


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 20, 2014, 21:52:37 pm
Chesterfield...12,000 10400
Rotherham....15,000 12000
Peterboro......20,000 15300
Oxford...........12,000
Shrewsbury.....12,000 9800
Watford..........25,000 17400
Brentford........20,000 12700 at the present
Wycombe.......10,000
Mk.................30,000
Walsall...........12,000 11300

Cobblers.         7000 7653
The biggest town on the list with smallest capacity?

We wont always be saddled with non football people, so we need to have the structure in place to attract them.

I agree with you we should have a 10000 capacity ,but your figures are not very accurate .My figures are taken from www.footballgrounds.com


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on April 20, 2014, 22:33:28 pm
Has it occurred to anyone the Cardozas may have run out of cash? They don't seem to have any source of income apart from the club.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 20, 2014, 23:21:10 pm
How about somebody giving the supporters a break. We've put up with a lot of shyte for years now. And spent a small fortune on it as well.

Amen to that.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: super-si on April 21, 2014, 09:21:39 am
I think you all need to start looking at this from Northampton's point of view and not Cobbler's or Cardoza's. If we get relegated and go ahead with the current plans, how will it look for NBC and the electorate who are lending the £12m. Will they be happy that it was a wise investment?

DC is treading water and Macintosh has hold of the lifebelt! How the lifebelt is used has to depend upon the circumstances.

On 20 March DC said that the conference and hotel facilities are likely to move to the West Stand. There is nothing in the latest planning application to support that happening now or in the future. Things are happening but we won't know exactly what next months plans are until we know our football status. The County banners are simply there to show that something is happening behind the exterior walls.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 21, 2014, 10:02:52 am
I think you all need to start looking at this from Northampton's point of view and not Cobbler's or Cardoza's. If we get relegated and go ahead with the current plans, how will it look for NBC and the electorate who are lending the £12m. Will they be happy that it was a wise investment?

DC is treading water and Macintosh has hold of the lifebelt! How the lifebelt is used has to depend upon the circumstances.

On 20 March DC said that the conference and hotel facilities are likely to move to the West Stand. There is nothing in the latest planning application to support that happening now or in the future. Things are happening but we won't know exactly what next months plans are until we know our football status. The County banners are simply there to show that something is happening behind the exterior walls.

I don't buy that totally. It is more or less saying that if we are relegated that we have no ambition of coming back anytime soon.
If it looks like any of these I'm sure we'll be happy in the end.


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Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Zen Master on April 21, 2014, 10:21:48 am
As it stands purely on planning applications the original East Stand and now redeveloped West COULD happen. We could request planning permission for all sorts but that doesn't mean that much in reality unless we get on with it and can afford it using the loans or whatever source of capital.

 In some ways making use of the green space at the bottom of the West Stand Car park makes sense as it utilises space with parking already attached. It also allows more space by the East for god knows whatever building in the coming months/years.
 I would have thought that the most likely large return on capital investment will be the 300 houses where there is only build costs as the land is already secured and this would go a long way to repaying the loan.
I hope that if we are shopping in Aldi/Lidl we are not paying Waitrose prices!

DC alway delivers!



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 21, 2014, 10:40:18 am
Every report I have read says we are getting a 100 room hotel. In terms of transparency it may be good to publish the split of spend on the hotel and ground. The original plan was the double the size of the East with conference facilities and well as 10 boxes in the west. If like you say the hotel is £7m-£10m then it's not the redevelopment promised. In fact, looking at the old redevelopment plans from 2007, the current plans are the Aldi version.

Cardoza has stated in one of the youtube videos that £7.5m will be spent on the stadium and £4.5m will go toward the hotel. Total cost of the hotel will be £6m so another £1.5m has to be funded from somewhere else.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 21, 2014, 10:56:10 am
Cardoza has stated in one of the youtube videos that £7.5m will be spent on the stadium and £4.5m will go toward the hotel. Total cost of the hotel will be £6m so another £1.5m has to be funded from somewhere else.

Funded from the hotel chain themselves whoever they may be! £4.5m is to build the hotel building, empty rooms etc, it will be up to the chain concerned how the hotel is furnished, what the bar looks like, what reception looks like etc.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 21, 2014, 11:08:24 am
Funded from the hotel chain themselves whoever they may be! £4.5m is to build the hotel building, empty rooms etc, it will be up to the chain concerned how the hotel is furnished, what the bar looks like, what reception looks like etc.

That's what I thought. Who is "whoever they may be"? You wouldn't build something like that without an occupant. County Hotels maybe? Premier Inns are always decent but usually come with a pub chain next door to do the grub. Hope it isn't an Ibis, although not many locals will be staying in it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Lappo on April 21, 2014, 11:26:02 am
That's what I thought. Who is "whoever they may be"? You wouldn't build something like that without an occupant. County Hotels maybe? Premier Inns are always decent but usually come with a pub chain next door to do the grub. Hope it isn't an Ibis, although not many locals will be staying in it.

I did hear a while back that it would be Hampton by Hilton. Wouldn't surprise me though if that's changed.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Manwork04 on April 21, 2014, 11:58:49 am
If it was totally straight forward why doesnt he just come out in the press and publish what the new stadium will look like?

FFS the architects dont even have a website, where are the CGI's plans etc????

This is yet another boken promise, his reputation with the fans is at an all time low.

David just tell us the long suffering fans what the hell is going on!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Trotty on April 21, 2014, 12:57:48 pm
If it was totally straight forward why doesnt he just come out in the press and publish what the new stadium will look like?

FFS the architects dont even have a website, where are the CGI's plans etc????

This is yet another boken promise, his reputation with the fans is at an all time low.

David just tell us the long suffering fans what the hell is going on!

The only reason I haven't commented on the plans is the fact that I haven't got a scooby what they are.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 21, 2014, 18:30:30 pm
Went to get my dagenham tickets today and in the lobby is the nice picture of the "new" east stand with a blurb about 10, 000 capacity, why is this still there if these are not the plans?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 21, 2014, 18:35:35 pm
Why is DC still carrying on like the development company is nothing to do with him? Who knows?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on April 21, 2014, 19:15:25 pm
Our esteemed chairman is busy setting another County Company - County Cemetries along with Simon Patnick.

Google Simon Patnick and in February he announced a new business venture low cost Jewish burials under the County banner.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/115571/burial-company-planning-offer-cheap-jewish-funerals (http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/115571/burial-company-planning-offer-cheap-jewish-funerals)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: New Dawn Fades on April 21, 2014, 19:23:59 pm
Our esteemed chairman is busy setting another County Company - County Cemetries along with Simon Patnick.

Google Simon Patnick and in February he announced a new business venture low cost Jewish burials under the County banner.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/115571/burial-company-planning-offer-cheap-jewish-funerals (http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/115571/burial-company-planning-offer-cheap-jewish-funerals)
Here lies Northampton Town F.C once beloved Father, Son and Football club. R.I.P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lift tower on April 21, 2014, 19:39:48 pm
Our esteemed chairman is busy setting another County Company - County Cemetries along with Simon Patnick.

Google Simon Patnick and in February he announced a new business venture low cost Jewish burials under the County banner.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/115571/burial-company-planning-offer-cheap-jewish-funerals (http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/115571/burial-company-planning-offer-cheap-jewish-funerals)
What a great way to make money from the pitch 7 days a week. Ay yay yay!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 21, 2014, 19:41:35 pm
Our esteemed chairman is busy setting another County Company - County Cemetries along with Simon Patnick.

Google Simon Patnick and in February he announced a new business venture low cost Jewish burials under the County banner.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/115571/burial-company-planning-offer-cheap-jewish-funerals (http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/115571/burial-company-planning-offer-cheap-jewish-funerals)
It's going to cost less a year to join the scheme than my recently renewed season ticket. Mind you, things could change.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: New Dawn Fades on April 21, 2014, 19:50:22 pm
I particularly like the line that their will be 15000 burial plots.

I wonder if that capacity will be reduced to under 10000.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 21, 2014, 19:58:09 pm
I particularly like the line that their will be 15000 burial plots.

I wonder if that capacity will be reduced to under 10000.
;D ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 22, 2014, 15:59:27 pm
I have had a reply from the club and they say 'I am not sure where the idea of boxes on stilts comes from, the boxes will be fully integrated in the West Stand and will most certainly be facing the pitch rather than any car park!'

Also...

'The East Stand is being redeveloped over the close season, with Executive Boxes and extra seating installed, as well as improved facilities for supporters. It will look close to the artist’s impression that has been released – the problem we have is that the plans are constantly being amended as we and our developers find improved ways to do things and it is impossible to get a drawing of every possible amendment! There won’t be any boxes on stilts in the East Stand the hotel will  now go on the West side, with the Conference Centre that is adjoined to the West Stand.'



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 22, 2014, 16:30:19 pm
Close to the artists impression might be good enough :)
Any mention of how many seats?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 22, 2014, 16:35:56 pm
Sounds better.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 22, 2014, 18:07:11 pm
Close to the artists impression might be good enough :)
Any mention of how many seats?

No mention of numbers. The reply also included that 'Very soon the external work will begin and supporters will see the work taking place so their won’t be any requirement for an artist’s impression.'

Sounds like good news that the East will, hopefully, be pretty much as planned just smaller in rows though!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 22, 2014, 18:52:38 pm
Yet more inconsistency of communication. Whilst it sounds promising, until I see things in concrete its going to be very hard to believe.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Alfred on April 22, 2014, 18:58:07 pm
I'm pretty sure that as you look at the "new" East stand from the West stand it will look as it does in the pictures ......... it will be the bit behind it that you cant see from the West that will look different as it wont have a conf centre or hotel.

I not sure but I "think" you can put in a planning application and build "less" than you have permission for,  you just cant do more.   So the current east plans might not need to be formally amended


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 22, 2014, 19:20:12 pm
I particularly like the line that their will be 15000 burial plots.

I wonder if that capacity will be reduced to under 10000.
I doubt that.
There's only one certainty in life- death ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 22, 2014, 19:26:54 pm
We lost 2000 seats but gained a pointless  directors box in the west stand! No artist impressions required as its just a row of boxes on top with a couple of rows.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblerwatch on April 22, 2014, 19:42:53 pm
If it was totally straight forward why doesnt he just come out in the press and publish what the new stadium will look like?

FFS the architects dont even have a website, where are the CGI's plans etc????

This is yet another boken promise, his reputation with the fans is at an all time low.

David just tell us the long suffering fans what the hell is going on!

Just ask for a personal audience with him to discuss the point - I'm sure he would agree but would you?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 22, 2014, 20:23:36 pm
Just ask for a personal audience with him to discuss the point - I'm sure he would agree but would you?

Let's be honest, if it wasn't for Big Dave's slip two weeks ago, wherein he blurted out about 'now only having a capacity of 8,500', we'd be none the wiser about the capacity having been reduced, would we?
We've waited years to see the capacity of Sixfields expanded and upgraded. The club should be using every medium available to 'grow' interest in the project, and yet we are being told next to nothing.
The silence from the club is damning.
As it stands the East will resemble the artists impression, but with one major difference. Less seats!
We, the fans, did not ask for a 10,000 capacity stadium. But we were promised one. Actually we were promised 15,000-25,000. Whichever way you cut it, and regardless of boxes, conferencing etc, a capacity of 8,500 will place us among the Morecombes, Accringtons, Burtons of this world.
We need to expand the ground now, while the funds are available.
Portsmouth sold out in five days for the game at our place; I wonder what the crowd might have been with additional capacity?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblerwatch on April 22, 2014, 20:41:40 pm
Let's be honest, if it wasn't for Big Dave's slip two weeks ago, wherein he blurted out about 'now only having a capacity of 8,500', we'd be none the wiser about the capacity having been reduced, would we?
We've waited years to see the capacity of Sixfields expanded and upgraded. The club should be using every medium available to 'grow' interest in the project, and yet we are being told next to nothing.
The silence from the club is damning.
As it stands the East will resemble the artists impression, but with one major difference. Less seats!
We, the fans, did not ask for a 10,000 capacity stadium. But we were promised one. Actually we were promised 15,000-25,000. Whichever way you cut it, and regardless of boxes, conferencing etc, a capacity of 8,500 will place us among the Morecombes, Accringtons, Burtons of this world.
We need to expand the ground now, while the funds are available.
Portsmouth sold out in five days for the game at our place; I wonder what the crowd might have been with additional capacity?

Good points and one I raised when the original sixfield plan was downgraded to only 4.5k - actually my point to yellowboy7 was personal - he being author of fairly vile rants at Cardoza and whilst I think big mistakes have been made I object to people calling the chairman and indeed certain players c***s from the aminimity of a keyboard.........


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on April 22, 2014, 20:47:45 pm
http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=4185364&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf (http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=4185364&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf)

Here is the plan - looks to me like the boxes are on stilts and extend over the back of the West Stand.

None of the plans show the top section of seats - it shows 2 rows of seats roughly where the directors seating currently is.  I am imaging that there must the current rows of seats behind it still there.

Given there is a kitchen behind it - how can the boxes overlook the pitch!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 22, 2014, 20:51:35 pm
The chairman said the capacity was going to be between 8-8500 so that's 8000 then, just 400 extra seats!

The change in plans were to accommodate a fat arsed directors box! Cant they use the east stand boxes and deliver what was promised and is desperately needed, a ground expansion.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 22, 2014, 20:56:28 pm
I think with a suitable stadium capacity, the crowd on Saturday would've been around 8,500 as Portsmouth would almost certainly have sold 1,500 more tickets.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TopCat on April 22, 2014, 20:59:16 pm
I personally reckon its 8500. I bought my ST in the new Upper Tier of the East Stand. The guy in the ticket office showed me the 6 new rows that he could sell on his PC. Assuming each row is 200 seats long (as they are at present in the East & West stands) that gives us another 1200 additional seats in the East. The old figure of 7653 has long been downgraded and I believe Sixfields current capacity is nearer 7300. 7300 + 1200 = 8500.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblerwatch on April 22, 2014, 21:11:04 pm
I personally reckon its 8500. I bought my ST in the new Upper Tier of the East Stand. The guy in the ticket office showed me the 6 new rows that he could sell on his PC. Assuming each row is 200 seats long (as they are at present in the East & West stands) that gives us another 1200 additional seats in the East. The old figure of 7653 has long been downgraded and I believe Sixfields current capacity is nearer 7300. 7300 + 1200 = 8500.

Brave man - you really think you will be there in early August?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 22, 2014, 21:20:27 pm
http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=4185364&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf (http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=4185364&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf)

Here is the plan - looks to me like the boxes are on stilts and extend over the back of the West Stand.

None of the plans show the top section of seats - it shows 2 rows of seats roughly where the directors seating currently is.  I am imaging that there must the current rows of seats behind it still there.

Given there is a kitchen behind it - how can the boxes overlook the pitch!
They are not boxes in the West , they are lounges for the directors and guests. They are indeed on pillars, but some people were on about boxes on stilts at the back of the East ,which is clearly not the case. Currently the directors and their guests have to walk down the concourse and stairs with us rabble , with the new lounges they will just go out the back of the directors box into the lounges. The boxes in the East will overlook the pitch  :)

  Well that's my take on it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 22, 2014, 21:29:12 pm
Let's be honest, if it wasn't for Big Dave's slip two weeks ago, wherein he blurted out about 'now only having a capacity of 8,500', we'd be none the wiser about the capacity having been reduced, would we?
We've waited years to see the capacity of Sixfields expanded and upgraded. The club should be using every medium available to 'grow' interest in the project, and yet we are being told next to nothing.
The silence from the club is damning.
As it stands the East will resemble the artists impression, but with one major difference. Less seats!
We, the fans, did not ask for a 10,000 capacity stadium. But we were promised one. Actually we were promised 15,000-25,000. Whichever way you cut it, and regardless of boxes, conferencing etc, a capacity of 8,500 will place us among the Morecombes, Accringtons, Burtons of this world.
We need to expand the ground now, while the funds are available.
Portsmouth sold out in five days for the game at our place; I wonder what the crowd might have been with additional capacity?
Oxford sold out last week


But people tell me more seats are not needed


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on April 22, 2014, 21:40:11 pm
And they are not really extra lounges as the two lounges used now and then are now for the larger dressing rooms.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 22, 2014, 21:47:43 pm
But people tell me more seats are not needed

An average of 3,200 have been empty each game this season. Just for the record, of course.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblerwatch on April 22, 2014, 22:04:55 pm
But people tell me more seats are not needed

An average of 3,200 have been empty each game this season. Just for the record, of course.

CS - stop being unreasonable and referring to the 21 out of 23 games this season - stats and dammed lies!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 22, 2014, 22:21:00 pm
Too right! Why have the capacity to sell thousands of more tickets when we could be turning people away?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 22, 2014, 22:21:55 pm
The Vetch held 11,500 when it closed. The fking idiots only went and built a stadium with a capacity of almost 21,000  ::) Fools.
I know you love a bit of devils advocate cricket but it does seem strange that you are actively arguing against the potential for growth in the future. It sometimes seems like you want the club to fail so you can revel in saying "At least we still have a club. I'll always be here, no matter what league we're in"


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 22, 2014, 22:28:20 pm
The attendances always grows if in a promotion or relegation battle at the end of the season so that's a few games that always have more interest. With an extra 2500 seats that's 100k potential that could be reached in just two games, anyone that thinks with the funding in place already that these seats are not needed are very short sighted.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on April 22, 2014, 22:33:17 pm
Success promotes growth and if we are stagnating in the conference why on earth would we need a 10000 seater stadium ?
Fill the one we've got first , then start harping on about ambition and what might be.
Touch of realism needed just now and it looks as if DC has got some.

ps , I'm long sighted.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 22, 2014, 22:36:55 pm

ps , I'm long sighted.

You can get glasses for that....


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 22, 2014, 22:40:58 pm
These plans have been around for much longer than our current relegation issues.
I don't understand this fill the seats we have first argument. There are so many clubs already mentioned in this thread that have expanded ambitiously and are thriving now that weren't selling out every week.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 22, 2014, 22:43:43 pm
I think all you need to know was answered by Tony Clarke last week when asked if would have fought the fight for what we're going to end up with - and said "No". If we take some of your logic, we may as well remove some of the seats that we do have now as they've not been needed for a bit.

Anybody got an answer as to why Hull bothered building a 25,000 ground in League 2? Boothferry Park was more than ample for them at 15,000. All those empty seats...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 22, 2014, 22:46:21 pm
You can get glasses for that....

................no you can't ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on April 22, 2014, 22:47:23 pm
You can get glasses for that....
Got some but never wear them near anything to do with the Cobblers , its best not to see things too clearly.  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 22, 2014, 22:52:14 pm
Anybody got an answer as to why Hull bothered building a 25,000 ground in League 2? Boothferry Park was more than ample for them at 15,000. All those empty seats...

Yeah...... but......... Darlington.

Wahh wahh wahh wahh


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 22, 2014, 22:56:49 pm
I do like the Darlington one because they completely overlook the fact it was built as a money laundering/vanity project/shrine to Sunderland by George Reynolds.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 22, 2014, 22:58:54 pm
There are far more examples of success than failure in redevelopments. Darlington and possibly coventry (slightly different issues) are the only bad examples I can think of but could probably name 10+ that have been a success.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Wolvo on April 22, 2014, 23:07:15 pm
I think Darlingtons ground had more seats than than Darlington had residents.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 22, 2014, 23:53:56 pm
Success promotes growth and if we are stagnating in the conference why on earth would we need a 10000 seater stadium ?
Fill the one we've got first , then start harping on about ambition and what might be.
Touch of realism needed just now and it looks as if DC has got some.

ps , I'm long sighted.

To grow a fan base you need the ability to accommodate them. We (the club) should be promising low cost ticket deals (for next season) to students, under 21's, schools: Anything at all to fill the ground with fans, and create a cauldron to help carry the team forward over the next few years.
Get them interested while they're young, and a percentage will always remain loyal to the club. And if 'Success promotes growth' is the God policy, then how come so many others have prospered with the boon of additional capacity?
The argument about unneeded extra space and the waste of funding it now, is flawed. Going by this logic it will never be worth the cost of expanding the ground, as it will always require an upfront funding. However, the funding is currently in place, so shouldn't we use it for the purpose it was borrowed?
It was borrowed because we needed additional capacity, and revenue streams, to prosper. Remember?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 23, 2014, 00:02:48 am
I think fans that don't see growth as a possibility are the ones that are happy just to go and watch the cobblers irrespective of how well we are doing and whatever league we are in. They can then attempt to lord it over anyone that would like to see a sustained period of expansion, if there are more fans it's harder to claim they are the best.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 23, 2014, 00:11:50 am
I think fans that don't see growth as a possibility are the ones that are happy just to go and watch the cobblers irrespective of how well we are doing and whatever league we are in. They can then attempt to lord it over anyone that would like to see a sustained period of expansion, if there are more fans it's harder to claim they are the best.

Oh yes. let's not forget there are some around here, who consider themselves superfans, and who are positively lauding the merits of relegation to the conference :-[


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 23, 2014, 00:34:45 am
Have you not read the comments about us being the biggest club in the conference, biggest budget, biggest away following and how we'd win more than we lose etc

I loved it when we were playing teams like man city, Leeds, Leicester and forest in league one but how much better would it be to be playing them because we are growing and improving rather than relying on them to be failing and without ambition the best we could ever hope for would be what Yeovil have achieved (and that's not looking likely)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 23, 2014, 06:12:16 am
I can only assume that the local press have also been promised a Cardoza style 'box in the sky' to keep them warm on a cold night, as they have remained very tight lipped on the Chairmans broken promise of a decent east stand as shown in the drawings and not the sh1te he's now stealthily presenting.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 23, 2014, 07:05:14 am
The local press know that if they write anything overly investigative or critical then Cardoza will have them banned. See Morecambe/Gary Johnson resignation story. Therefore it's too risky for the local press to risk alienating a major source of readership for them.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on April 23, 2014, 07:39:52 am
That may be true and local journalism is often an inferior product when it comes to investigations. However, an article based on FACTS would be a starting point and then we can begin to ask the questions the local journalists are banned from asking DC by their bosses.

I for one am totally confused as to what is happening and when and what is going into the East Stand and West Stand respectively.  DC seems to have made significant changes to his published plans at a time when our minds are on the relegation battle, a tactic taken from the manual of our political classes.  In DC we trust?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 23, 2014, 08:34:32 am
DC has acknowledged the concerns of the fans regarding the re-development, most recently in the match day programme.  He has released his latest update, which have been fairly regular, in a limited fashion and I suspect not unintentionally.  He could have revealed a lot more but for whatever reason he chose not to.
What makes you think that he will reveal anymore if he is questioned by the local hack?  He doesn't need to because he has his own media outlet(s) which he does use.
The way he is approaching this could be from a completely different angle from the voluble posters on here are.  I believe that whatever he is intending to do will eventually be for the good and benefit of NTFC however long and down whatever route, including diversions, that that will take us.
As I said, he has acknowledged the concerns but doesn't believe that he needs or wants to publicise any further detail just yet.  There maybe a justifiable reason why he hasn't?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 23, 2014, 08:40:35 am
I can only assume that the local press have also been promised a Cardoza style 'box in the sky' to keep them warm on a cold night, as they have remained very tight lipped on the Chairmans broken promise of a decent east stand as shown in the drawings and not the sh1te he's now stealthily presenting.
I've asked this before , but where does this "Boxes in the sky" come from ? I think I'm correct in saying that the only thing we have seen about the East Stand is the artists impression and that , officially , there has been no drastic changes to this or have I missed something?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 23, 2014, 08:58:57 am
He's obsessed with stilts and boxes in the sky Barton, I'd ignore him but he's very persistent. If you shout about something for long enough then people start to believe it and presume it is true.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 23, 2014, 09:26:03 am
This I don't believe has ever been discussed...how much does DC think he will make out of say 16 boxes? In league2 or the conference...

I would strongly argue that all that will happen is that the businesses that do take them up will simply be redistributing their current spend with NTFC. For example, if a local business spends 2 grand on advertising boards, are they not just likely to spend that money on a box for a couple of games instead?

I am really struggling to see how boxes are going to make much difference at this level. Even IF each box generated 10k a season, thats only 160k. Then you've got to feed the guests etc, staff them. And as I say, companies will not increase their marketing budget with us just because we've got boxes, they will just do them instead of something else in the main.

Of course big businesses in the town would get involved but thats only realistically if we got to minimum of championship level.

I am also struggling to see how they will be hired out at will during the week. Conference centre..yeah, I get that. Hotel, ditto. But this obsession with boxes I believe is very very short sighted. It will not make hardly any cash in the short term and I would argue that a bigger capacity would generate more short term revenue in the odd game where we would sell more tickets (e.g. Pompey and Oxford). An extra 2000 people in a big away end = about 30k for starters. And you haven't got the associated costs to service it.

So I ask the question to all you 'box lovers'....hows it gonna benefit us?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 23, 2014, 09:41:02 am
I am confident that the boxes will bring in much needed extra revenue but the potential for just a couple of larger attendances per season with an increased capacity could be just as valuable. That's why Id like to see them both developed together and not one instead of the other.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on April 23, 2014, 09:45:28 am
To grow a fan base you need the ability to accommodate them. We (the club) should be promising low cost ticket deals (for next season) to students, under 21's, schools: Anything at all to fill the ground with fans, and create a cauldron to help carry the team forward over the next few years.
Get them interested while they're young, and a percentage will always remain loyal to the club. And if 'Success promotes growth' is the God policy, then how come so many others have prospered with the boon of additional capacity?
The argument about unneeded extra space and the waste of funding it now, is flawed. Going by this logic it will never be worth the cost of expanding the ground, as it will always require an upfront funding. However, the funding is currently in place, so shouldn't we use it for the purpose it was borrowed?
It was borrowed because we needed additional capacity, and revenue streams, to prosper. Remember?
Dont disagree with any of that Jolly but its worth asking the question that if the redevelopment had gone ahead at the start of DC's tenure would we be anywhere different to where we are now ? Would we still be sitting in the lower reaches of L2 staring at row upon row of empty seats ? Yes the money is there now but its a loan not a gift and it needs to be spent wisely because someone has got to pay it back. Not totally convinced by the revenue stream argument either , is there any guarantee that any profits from houses , hotel , or conference centre will come back into the club ? Like any other supporter I would love to see us playing to a packed stadium in the championship every week but while this regime is in charge I doubt there will ever be enough investment in the team to realise that.
At this moment the redevelopment is a real distraction , all I want is to be sitting in some version of Sixfields watching league football next season.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 23, 2014, 11:30:14 am
There are a lot of people with too much time on their hands worrying about something that they do not have all of the facts working on rumours, are not intimately involved in, have no financial liability towards the loan and/or expenditure and should concentrate on supporting the team that appears on the park week in and week out throughout the season.
If you want to get involved, speak to DC and offer your services, I am sure that he would welcome your constructive advice about where he is going wrong because discussing this on here is actually getting you nowhere and is boring me now.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 23, 2014, 11:44:43 am
I love it when I read on here "cauldron" and similar words. It reminds me of when I was young and hopeful; I envy some of you, but call it naivety now, not hope.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 23, 2014, 12:30:02 pm
I think DC has too much time on his hands, reading what people have to say who have too much time on their hands. Maybe he should have concentrated on the team on the park to address why the team is in such a mess in the first place.  :P
To be fair it is helping, as the noise clearly triggered his latest communication and the fans support for the team has been very apparent recently.
If his only mistake ends up being inadequate communication then everyone's a winner.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 23, 2014, 12:58:29 pm
I've asked this before , but where does this "Boxes in the sky" come from ? I think I'm correct in saying that the only thing we have seen about the East Stand is the artists impression and that , officially , there has been no drastic changes to this or have I missed something?
Yes you have, about 2000 seats which has now disappeared with out trace.
Seats that were paid for by a loan from the Council, which we're now not getting.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: mackemcobbler on April 23, 2014, 13:09:37 pm
This I don't believe has ever been discussed...how much does DC think he will make out of say 16 boxes? In league2 or the conference...

I would strongly argue that all that will happen is that the businesses that do take them up will simply be redistributing their current spend with NTFC. For example, if a local business spends 2 grand on advertising boards, are they not just likely to spend that money on a box for a couple of games instead?

I am really struggling to see how boxes are going to make much difference at this level. Even IF each box generated 10k a season, thats only 160k. Then you've got to feed the guests etc, staff them. And as I say, companies will not increase their marketing budget with us just because we've got boxes, they will just do them instead of something else in the main.

Of course big businesses in the town would get involved but thats only realistically if we got to minimum of championship level.

I am also struggling to see how they will be hired out at will during the week. Conference centre..yeah, I get that. Hotel, ditto. But this obsession with boxes I believe is very very short sighted. It will not make hardly any cash in the short term and I would argue that a bigger capacity would generate more short term revenue in the odd game where we would sell more tickets (e.g. Pompey and Oxford). An extra 2000 people in a big away end = about 30k for starters. And you haven't got the associated costs to service it.

So I ask the question to all you 'box lovers'....hows it gonna benefit us?
because companies buy the box for the season paying 1000s for the privilege to use it on non match days with food & drink extra 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 23, 2014, 13:29:58 pm
There are a lot of people with too much time on their hands worrying about something that they do not have all of the facts working on rumours, are not intimately involved in, have no financial liability towards the loan and/or expenditure and should concentrate on supporting the team that appears on the park week in and week out throughout the season.
If you want to get involved, speak to DC and offer your services, I am sure that he would welcome your constructive advice about where he is going wrong because discussing this on here is actually getting you nowhere and is boring me now.

I don't think some on here want to know that 8)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 23, 2014, 16:16:59 pm
Yes you have, about 2000 seats which has now disappeared with out trace.
Seats that were paid for by a loan from the Council, which we're now not getting.


So where is this info about 2,000 disappearing seats ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 23, 2014, 16:22:19 pm
So where is this info about 2,000 disappearing seats ?

The chairman said himself that capacity would only be '8-8,500' - There is also an article on the OS published today which talks about the 'trade off' for the work in the West being a reduction in the number of seats in the East. There are 6 rows being added to the WINGS ONLY (the bits either side of the current disabled viewing area at the back). If you want proof of that go on the Official Site and look at season ticket options for next year in the East Stand!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 23, 2014, 16:36:26 pm
The 'wings' are 46 seats long on either side.

46 x 6 (x 2) = 552

Minus 20 each side to account for the stairwells and by my calculations that amounts to an EXTRA 512 SEATS ONLY.

That's not speculation or gossip, it's based on what is available to buy for next year.

Take into account the likely reduction of capacity in the West to fit the directors box in and we'll be left with a capacity that MAY reach 8,000 but quite probably won't even hit that figure.

The capacity of the stadium when it opened was 7,653 (later reduced due to removal of seats at the back of the North).

11 years of wrangling with the authorities and a £12m council loan later and we MIGHT end up about 400 seats better off than we were in 1994.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: did.cobbler on April 23, 2014, 16:52:54 pm
And a whole raft of improvements aimed at making the stadium a 7 day a week business


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 23, 2014, 16:53:49 pm
Didn't he say that not all the seats that will be added are available as season ticket options yet for next season but once the work is done anyone can move to them if they wanted to? That suggests more than the amount you can see online at the minute.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Razor on April 23, 2014, 17:01:58 pm
Didn't he say that not all the seats that will be added are available as season ticket options yet for next season but once the work is done anyone can move to them if they wanted to? That suggests more than the amount you can see online at the minute.

I read that as 'the seats we are selling at the moment definitely won't be ready for the start of the season so we're covering our backs and saying you are free to move'. But I admire your optimism.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 23, 2014, 17:04:34 pm
The 'wings' are 46 seats long on either side.

46 x 6 (x 2) = 552

Minus 20 each side to account for the stairwells and by my calculations that amounts to an EXTRA 512 SEATS ONLY.

That's not speculation or gossip, it's based on what is available to buy for next year.

Take into account the likely reduction of capacity in the West to fit the directors box in and we'll be left with a capacity that MAY reach 8,000 but quite probably won't even hit that figure.

The capacity of the stadium when it opened was 7,653 (later reduced due to removal of seats at the back of the North).

11 years of wrangling with the authorities and a £12m council loan later and we MIGHT end up about 400 seats better off than we were in 1994.
Yeh, its not looking/sounding good is it.
I jokingly suggested that we couldn't blame Big Dave for wanting his own box in the west, but what we appear to be now getting is a whole lot different from anything originally suggested. Seems to me that failing to increase capacity in favour of executive boxes is a mistake. It's a simple mistake to make though.
Executive boxes with additional capacity as promised is what we want.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 23, 2014, 17:24:46 pm
Looks like we hoodwinked the council into approving the loan so mackintosh thought could look all important in front of that decent looking east stand and then drastically changed everything once dc got his hands on the money. Nbc should be asking questions. Because if it looks like this to me what about other people? "12m for 500 seats? "Is what they'll think


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Charlatan on April 23, 2014, 17:28:40 pm
Looks like we hoodwinked the council into approving the loan so mackintosh thought could look all important in front of that decent looking east stand and then drastically changed everything once dc got his hands on the money. Nbc should be asking questions. Because if it looks like this to me what about other people? "12m for 500 seats? "Is what they'll think
Good post


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Alfred on April 23, 2014, 17:37:16 pm
I see it as a 12m loan for extra seats,  general improvements to dated looking facilities,   new seats,   boxes,  internal works,  east stand development, conf centre and hotel. 

Then moving forward a 12m loan paid back via the use of the land for housing developments thus paying off the loan, and leaving "somebody" with a 365 day a year venue to increase revenue.

Given the choice of extra seats or a 365 day a year venue I would take the venue and pray for the day we are locking people out the ground.   

For me if it was all about seats then all these super stadiums that you see popping up wouldn't include any corporate facilities.   Unfortunately the answer is a mixture of the 2 but maybe we need the corporate money to pay for the North Stand development ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 23, 2014, 17:39:03 pm
Once those boxes get fixed at the back of the East it will stop any future development in this area which makes sixfields null and void when looking at a ground that will properly serve us if we can achieve a couple of promotions.

One other thing that makes this even more ridiculous is that when the loan has all been spunked on poe in the sky directors boxes, we will have just 6000 odd seats to serve a town and county the size of Northampton, the seats squeezed in at one side will be in the away section.

Accrington Morecambe Dag red have as many home seats!

Defend that....

No wonder they have tried to hide this sh1te behind our relegation battle.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 23, 2014, 17:42:42 pm
Because if it looks like this to me what about other people? "12m for 500 seats?" is what they'll think

Only if they are as simple as you, surely marquess?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 23, 2014, 17:43:38 pm
The most farcical thing about it all is that after ten years they still don't know they're doing or what they want to do.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 23, 2014, 17:46:45 pm
We should bring back the duck boards for 'Cricketside'


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 23, 2014, 17:47:05 pm
Because if it looks like this to me what about other people? "12m for 500 seats?" is what they'll think

Only if they are as simple as you, surely marquess?
so you do read my posts then? Because I'm still waiting for somebody to let me know why hull built that ground when they were in league 2 and why Swansea built something twice the size they needed, mk dons too


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: andycobbler on April 23, 2014, 17:50:35 pm
Why all the fuss, the council who are loaning the money to dc are happy with the alterations to the plans and lets face facts we can't fill what we have. Based on that minor fact anything which increases the clubs income must be welcomed whether that be boxes or even coco the bleedin clown If/.When we climb the leagues the income from sell-outs and extra tv money will go some way to building up the north and south stands.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 23, 2014, 17:52:24 pm
The sensible questions don't get answered just ignored.
You could add Rotherham, Doncaster, Wigan, reading, stoke, Brighton the list goes on and yet the one thing you could link all these clubs with is none of them waited until they were selling out every week before they increased their capacity and they all have much higher league positions and attendances than they had before their developments.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 23, 2014, 18:00:41 pm
Why all the fuss, the council who are loaning the money to dc are happy with the alterations to the plans and lets face facts we can't fill what we have. Based on that minor fact anything which increases the clubs income must be welcomed whether that be boxes or even coco the bleedin clown If/.When we climb the leagues the income from sell-outs and extra tv money will go some way to building up the north and south stands.
Despite being absolute gash all season, we have less than 1000 home seats spare.
If we were to promote the club properly and went top of league 2 or even 1, how many more supporters from the town would want to watch, 2,3 or 4000?

This is our one and only chance to have a proper stadium but we as a club have blown it big time.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on April 23, 2014, 18:03:06 pm
How about having this conversation on the completion of the work to IMPROVE the stadium, I for one would prefer a 7 day business income for the club to secure our future, instead of loads of seats and a ground with 4000 people in a 10000 capacity stadium. DC has informed us that the North & South stands can be increased if and when we need the extra capacity. So why oh why are people getting so upset about it, it's beyond me. Or, is it just a case of slagging off the chairman because certain people don't agree with him and think he's got some motive behind the change in plans  - ever thought that he may be the sensible one, and is only doing what is best for our club & for everyone that attends on matchdays.
    



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 23, 2014, 18:06:30 pm
How about having this conversation on the completion of the work to IMPROVE the stadium, I for one would prefer a 7 day business income for the club to secure our future, instead of loads of seats and a ground with 4000 people in a 10000 capacity stadium. DC has informed us that the North & South stands can be increased if and when we need the extra capacity. So why oh why are people getting so upset about it, it's beyond me. Or, is it just a case of slagging off the chairman because certain people don't agree with him and think he's got some motive behind the change in plans  - ever thought that he may be the sensible one, and is only doing what is best for our club & for everyone that attends on matchdays.
    


Read the previous thread and reply your opinion, No one is slagging off the Chairman, just trying to make him see sense.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 23, 2014, 18:15:12 pm
Read the previous thread and reply your opinion, No one is slagging off the Chairman, just trying to make him see sense.

Why hasn't anyone gone to see DC to express their view directly or to offer advice and/or assistance, rather than have your little cabal on here?
You may get the answers you desire rather than keep going around in circles stating the same rumours and supposition.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on April 23, 2014, 18:18:54 pm
Read the previous thread and reply your opinion, No one is slagging off the Chairman, just trying to make him see sense.

Please explain to me then, why are you trying to make him see sense ??

Don't you think he has looked at the plans over and over again to get what's best (he's waited for long enough, hasn't he), or do you think he suddenly decides to change his mind to upset a few people on this or other threads ?



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 23, 2014, 18:19:54 pm
The sensible questions don't get answered just ignored.
You could add Rotherham, Doncaster, Wigan, reading, stoke, Brighton the list goes on and yet the one thing you could link all these clubs with is none of them waited until they were selling out every week before they increased their capacity and they all have much higher league positions and attendances than they had before their developments.

This...

Lets just look at it this way, and I reckon Im being more than generous!

*500 Bolted on seats/6 new rows - Say 100k
*7500 New seats @ 20quid a pop which is generous = 150k
*16 boxes - 20k a box, fixtures & fittings - say 500k.
*Conference Centre - 200k.
*Bigger dressing rooms - 50k
*New bar - 100k
*Other bits - 400k

Total - 1.5million.

Whats it costing? 7.5million or something out of the 12 million loan (4.5million for the hotel)

Given that WE KNOW how much other stadiums are costing etc....admittedly this is total and utter guess work...what have I missed out?

I mean...how much can it possibly cost to install a row of boxes? ! A large conservatory extended to your house will cost you 10k...

I know f-all about building work costs...so someone who does and is not one bit slightly perplexed about all of this, explain what THEY THINK the costs would be and what they think we should be getting??

No bol lox of 'DC knows what he's doing etc'. Im certain he does. BUT this is a message board...Im asking a genuine question which Im entitled to do! Not accusing anyone of anything or even making implications. I just cannot understand where the 7.5 million quid is going.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: barton cobbler on April 23, 2014, 18:29:35 pm
Once those boxes get fixed at the back of the East it will stop any future development in this area which makes sixfields null and void when looking at a ground that will properly serve us if we can achieve a couple of promotions.

One other thing that makes this even more ridiculous is that when the loan has all been spunked on poe in the sky directors boxes, we will have just 6000 odd seats to serve a town and county the size of Northampton, the seats squeezed in at one side will be in the away section.

Accrington Morecambe Dag red have as many home seats!

Defend that....

No wonder they have tried to hide this sh1te behind our relegation battle.
I'm with you about needing more seats but you do yourself no favours when you quote things like "Accrington, Morecambe Dag Red have as many home seats". Accrington have 2000 , Dagenham have 2200 and Morecambe 2173, those are total numbers of seats in their grounds not just home seats. If your going to quote things at least check them out .


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on April 23, 2014, 18:32:14 pm
This...

Lets just look at it this way, and I reckon Im being more than generous!

*500 Bolted on seats/6 new rows - Say 100k
*7500 New seats @ 20quid a pop which is generous = 150k
*16 boxes - 20k a box, fixtures & fittings - say 500k.
*Conference Centre - 200k.
*Bigger dressing rooms - 50k
*New bar - 100k
*Other bits - 400k

Total - 1.5million.

Whats it costing? 7.5million or something out of the 12 million loan (4.5million for the hotel)

Given that WE KNOW how much other stadiums are costing etc....admittedly this is total and utter guess work...what have I missed out?

I mean...how much can it possibly cost to install a row of boxes? ! A large conservatory extended to your house will cost you 10k...

I know f-all about building work costs...so someone who does and is not one bit slightly perplexed about all of this, explain what THEY THINK the costs would be and what they think we should be getting??

No bol lox of 'DC knows what he's doing etc'. Im certain he does. BUT this is a message board...Im asking a genuine question which Im entitled to do! Not accusing anyone of anything or even making implications. I just cannot understand where the 7.5 million quid is going.

Instead of coming up with stupid figures from guess work, let us wait until it's all completed (August time) and then maybe you will see where all the money has gone, because from what I believe the stadium will look totally different inside and out, and be a credit to this football club.  


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 23, 2014, 18:40:05 pm
Let's just look at it this way, and I reckon I'm being more than generous!

'Let's just look at it this way, and I reckon I'm talking shit' would be more accurate.

A large conservatory extended to your house will cost you 10k...

Was this really posted? Did anyone steal the login?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on April 23, 2014, 18:50:26 pm
How about having this conversation on the completion of the work to IMPROVE the stadium, I for one would prefer a 7 day business income for the club to secure our future, instead of loads of seats and a ground with 4000 people in a 10000 capacity stadium. DC has informed us that the North & South stands can be increased if and when we need the extra capacity. So why oh why are people getting so upset about it, it's beyond me. Or, is it just a case of slagging off the chairman because certain people don't agree with him and think he's got some motive behind the change in plans  - ever thought that he may be the sensible one, and is only doing what is best for our club & for everyone that attends on matchdays.
    
Good post.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 23, 2014, 18:58:17 pm
Good post.

 :D ok Easty I concede to you the "constructive" award even if it was only two words ;) and I agree with your support for Kingsthorpe Cobbler.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 23, 2014, 19:11:17 pm
Why all the fuss, the council who are loaning the money to dc are happy with the alterations to the plans and lets face facts we can't fill what we have. Based on that minor fact anything which increases the clubs income must be welcomed whether that be boxes or even coco the bleedin clown If/.When we climb the leagues the income from sell-outs and extra tv money will go some way to building up the north and south stands.

Well done: And here is your award for Most Ridiculous Post Of The Week ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 23, 2014, 19:14:16 pm
Why hasn't anyone gone to see DC to express their view directly or to offer advice and/or assistance, rather than have your little cabal on here?
You may get the answers you desire rather than keep going around in circles stating the same rumours and supposition.

I thought you were bored with this. So why keep reading, eh?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 23, 2014, 19:19:04 pm
I thought you were bored with this. So why keep reading, eh?

It's part of the job spec...  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 23, 2014, 19:20:41 pm
This...

Lets just look at it this way, and I reckon Im being more than generous!

*500 Bolted on seats/6 new rows - Say 100k
*7500 New seats @ 20quid a pop which is generous = 150k
*16 boxes - 20k a box, fixtures & fittings - say 500k.
*Conference Centre - 200k.
*Bigger dressing rooms - 50k
*New bar - 100k
*Other bits - 400k

Total - 1.5million.

Whats it costing? 7.5million or something out of the 12 million loan (4.5million for the hotel)

Given that WE KNOW how much other stadiums are costing etc....admittedly this is total and utter guess work...what have I missed out?

I mean...how much can it possibly cost to install a row of boxes? ! A large conservatory extended to your house will cost you 10k...

I know f-all about building work costs...so someone who does and is not one bit slightly perplexed about all of this, explain what THEY THINK the costs would be and what they think we should be getting??

No bol lox of 'DC knows what he's doing etc'. Im certain he does. BUT this is a message board...Im asking a genuine question which Im entitled to do! Not accusing anyone of anything or even making implications. I just cannot understand where the 7.5 million quid is going.

Go and speak to DC, he may be able to take the guesswork out of it...  ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 23, 2014, 19:22:52 pm
Instead of coming up with stupid figures from guess work, let us wait until it's all completed (August time) and then maybe you will see where all the money has gone, because from what I believe the stadium will look totally different inside and out, and be a credit to this football club.  

Not if it's anywhere around the 8,500 capacity it won't be. It'll be a monument to ineptitude.

And let's not forget, when the loan was approved David Mackintosh stated that 'we have pushed for this because Northampton need stadium improvements and a 10,000 capacity, so they can prosper'.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Wolvo on April 23, 2014, 19:24:55 pm
I'm hoping the North and South stands are being left alone until safe standing is a viable option.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 23, 2014, 19:25:56 pm
It's part of the job spec...  ;)

 ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 23, 2014, 19:28:53 pm
I've just read that every seat within the ground, fit for purpose or not, is going to be replaced with.....a seat.
WTF.......!!
On that theme, can we also have some stikers to replace the existing.... strikers?



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 23, 2014, 19:32:47 pm
This...

Lets just look at it this way, and I reckon Im being more than generous!

*500 Bolted on seats/6 new rows - Say 100k
*7500 New seats @ 20quid a pop which is generous = 150k
*16 boxes - 20k a box, fixtures & fittings - say 500k.
*Conference Centre - 200k.
*Bigger dressing rooms - 50k
*New bar - 100k
*Other bits - 400k

Total - 1.5million.

Whats it costing? 7.5million or something out of the 12 million loan (4.5million for the hotel)

Given that WE KNOW how much other stadiums are costing etc....admittedly this is total and utter guess work...what have I missed out?

I mean...how much can it possibly cost to install a row of boxes? ! A large conservatory extended to your house will cost you 10k...

I know f-all about building work costs...so someone who does and is not one bit slightly perplexed about all of this, explain what THEY THINK the costs would be and what they think we should be getting??

No bol lox of 'DC knows what he's doing etc'. Im certain he does. BUT this is a message board...Im asking a genuine question which Im entitled to do! Not accusing anyone of anything or even making implications. I just cannot understand where the 7.5 million quid is going.
I agree with you that the figures dont add up, and we may be underwhelmed by the end result, but, "other bits 400k"?
Where did you pluck that figure from? ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Carlo Corazzins Corduroy on April 23, 2014, 19:36:28 pm
Shame the FL haven't approved rail-seats yet. That would help maximise potential capacity on the cheap.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 23, 2014, 19:51:00 pm
Shame the FL haven't approved rail-seats yet. That would help maximise potential capacity on the cheap.



Rail seats aren't cheap to install. I've just checked the current stadium plan, and currently we are getting 524 new seats. On the OS they say there may be a few more added. I'm expecting another 372 ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 23, 2014, 19:55:13 pm
Just went on the Os to read the chairmans 'up date' only to see that the picture of the reneged development sitting there mocking and misleading all Cobblers fans!

Are the taking the p1ss, show it how it will look, which is nothing has changed but a row of boxes on top..



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 23, 2014, 19:58:46 pm
Rail seats aren't cheap to install. I've just checked the current stadium plan, and currently we are getting 524 new seats. On the OS they say there may be a few more added. I'm expecting another 372 ;)
If all the existing seats are being replaced, we are getting a **** load more than 524.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 23, 2014, 20:03:21 pm
Instead of coming up with stupid figures from guess work, let us wait until it's all completed (August time) and then maybe you will see where all the money has gone, because from what I believe the stadium will look totally different inside and out, and be a credit to this football club.  

I expected a couple of similar posts to yours....with absolutely no attempt to answer my questions!  ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 23, 2014, 20:03:34 pm
If all the existing seats are being replaced, we are getting a **** load more than 524.

Additional seating capacity ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 23, 2014, 20:06:20 pm
Go and speak to DC, he may be able to take the guesswork out of it...  ::)

I doubt it. By the time I get back from having the meeting with him, the developers would have found some more better ways of doing things and therefore making the content of our meeting null and void.

And stop being Darren Gough  ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 23, 2014, 20:13:08 pm
I doubt it. By the time I get back from having the meeting with him, the developers would have found some more better ways of doing things and therefore making the content of our meeting null and void.

And stop being Darren Gough  ;)

I can't see what all the fuss is about. I mean we're getting over 500 additional spaces and it's only costing 12 million. A bargain :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 23, 2014, 20:14:23 pm
I'm hoping the North and South stands are being left alone until safe standing is a viable option.
oh I'm sure they will be


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: HertsCobbler on April 23, 2014, 20:17:36 pm
The plan looks just odd - there appears to be up to six rows of extra seating with a massive hole in the centre - I am assuming that could be where to put the boxes?

What also does not make sense is that you can buy a season ticket in the away overflow section.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 23, 2014, 20:30:00 pm
I've just read that every seat within the ground, fit for purpose or not, is going to be replaced with.....a seat.
WTF.......!!


Don't knock it. A nice new padded seat is the biggest benefit that most of us are going to get out of the £12m.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 23, 2014, 20:49:01 pm
Everyone saying look at Hull, Swansea, Wigan etc etc ... How do you know it is the increased capacity that lead them to success and not the corporate facilities/boxes?

Also love the suggestion of safe standing to the North stand as this would increase the capacity by 1,000 with no extension needed. Stick on another 900 to the away end and you have your 10,000 capacity stadium.

It is also my understanding from when the loan was first confirmed that the sale of the homes will pay back the £12million loan thus meaning that as soon as all the homes are sold the club will be making profit on the facilities built with said loan - assuming they are booked and used.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 23, 2014, 20:54:15 pm
Everyone saying look at Hull, Swansea, Wigan etc etc ... How do you know it is the increased capacity that lead them to success and not the corporate facilities/boxes?
They did both at the same time. This is the point trying to be made....


It is also my understanding from when the loan was first confirmed that the sale of the homes will pay back the £12million loan thus meaning that as soon as all the homes are sold the club will be making profit on the facilities built with said loan - assuming they are booked and used.
How much confidence do you have in the club to successfully sell all boxes for every game? Now be serious, this is NTFC we're talking about - the only side at the bottom not running any sort of "Let's fill the ground" style campaign for the last match(es) of the season


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 23, 2014, 21:02:12 pm
Don't knock it. A nice new padded seat is the biggest benefit that most of us are going to get out of the £12m.

Padded you say? Haha... I'm learning something new everyday.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 23, 2014, 21:14:39 pm
Padded you say? Haha... I'm learning something new everyday.

Poor old Tone, forever the dreamer ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 23, 2014, 21:19:52 pm
How many corporate / executive facilities do you think the vetch, Springfield park or booth ferry park had?
The examples of these teams being used is there attendances were low when they redeveloped so when they had their shiny big and corporate potential grounds they could grow as clubs. How will we grow with a capacity of 8 ish k?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 23, 2014, 21:26:48 pm
They did both at the same time. This is the point trying to be made....

How much confidence do you have in the club to successfully sell all boxes for every game? Now be serious, this is NTFC we're talking about - the only side at the bottom not running any sort of "Let's fill the ground" style campaign for the last match(es) of the season

Both at the same time would be fantastic but £12mill obviously only goes so far. If you don't have confidence in the club selling 12 boxes every game how do you expect the club to put use to 2,000 extra seats?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 23, 2014, 21:33:33 pm
It was originally going to go as far as 10,000 and boxes.

A decent team sells itself, thankfully as the club won't do it


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 23, 2014, 21:36:46 pm
& whilst I'm at it and before I go and make tomorrows lunch - we were only getting around what? 2? 2500 at the CG in the last few seasons. Attendances doubled overnight at Sixfields.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 23, 2014, 21:42:55 pm
It was originally going to go as far as 10,000 and boxes.

A decent team sells itself, thankfully as the club won't do it

I love these pseudo intellectual debating threads; so much passion and Demosthenes type rhetoric - I mean some posters suddenly emerge after months of inactivity. Bȕgger the fact we are at deaths door - if only you lot were more concerned about the team than the in's and out's of Redev' we wouldn't be in the mess we are now in.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: A view from the east on April 23, 2014, 21:44:45 pm
:D ok Easty I concede to you the "constructive" award even if it was only two words ;) and I agree with your support for Kingsthorpe Cobbler.
Aw thanks Evers , your seal of approval has made my day.
I did write a paragraph or two earlier on in the thread but you probably missed it amongst all the other accumulated wisdom.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 23, 2014, 21:46:11 pm
So if I paid more attention to the team and maybe shouted a bit more at games we would be higher up the table?
Don't understand this why be concerned about the redevelopment when the team are struggling. I seem to be managing to discuss Accrington, Wycombe, burton, Pompey matches even the up coming match with the daggers AND redevelopment plans.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 23, 2014, 21:50:59 pm
Aw thanks Evers , your seal of approval has made my day.
I did write a paragraph or two earlier on in the thread but you probably missed it amongst all the other accumulated wisdom.

no no you have got to merit it - its not the quantity but the quality which earned you the award! Long may it continue


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 23, 2014, 21:55:35 pm
Don't forget Deepcut. We are not battling with our own unrealistic expectations. We are dealing with the diminishing returns on the expectations we were given. Perhaps like many on here, my anger is less about all the failed promises and false dawns and probably more about me being gullible enough to believe he would do what he said for once.

And me probably but I have heard so many different versions of the rumours and guesswork saying what is and isn't happening I just want someone to verify and state exactly what is happening and what isn't against the original announcement to put this all to bed.
The unknown is being fuelled by people putting random one liners or guessed financial expenditures against the loaned £12m without a shred of solid evidence.  We have had boxes on stilts peering over the top of the East stand, even had padded seats quoted now, was that all from the boy in the club shop as well?  ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 23, 2014, 21:56:42 pm
if only you lot were more concerned about the team than the in's and out's of Redev' we wouldn't be in the mess we are now in.
what does that mean noddy? am i a player? how concerned would you like me to be? and how should I channel this concern in order to influence on field activities?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 23, 2014, 22:00:05 pm
I love these pseudo intellectual debating threads; so much passion and Demosthenes type rhetoric - I mean some posters suddenly emerge after months of inactivity. Bȕgger the fact we are at deaths door - if only you lot were more concerned about the team than the in's and out's of Redev' we wouldn't be in the mess we are now in.

You really do come out with some drivel ::)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 23, 2014, 22:00:42 pm
So if I paid more attention to the team and maybe shouted a bit more at games we would be higher up the table?
Don't understand this why be concerned about the redevelopment when the team are struggling. I seem to be managing to discuss Accrington, Wycombe, burton, Pompey matches even the up coming match with the daggers AND redevelopment plans.

 ;D As if shouting helps anyone ! Unless you were a Sergeant Major of course 8)
How you find time to shout about the Redev and the Team on here is quite is laudable. I just prefer to moan, groan and shout at the team for the moment...only ;)  


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 23, 2014, 22:01:53 pm
You really do come out with some drivel ::)

oh come on surely on here I am not alone ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 23, 2014, 22:04:07 pm
what does that mean noddy? am i a player? how concerned would you like me to be? and how should I channel this concern in order to influence on field activities?

never never contradict a Marquis :-X


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: guest47 on April 23, 2014, 22:15:31 pm
I think the club is deluded if they think "big businesses" are going to hire unused hospitality boxes in a backwater retail park. There's plenty of hotels around the area that will hire decent sized rooms with proper facilities. It reminds of that time they had that daft idea of opening the restaurant during the week. That didn't last long.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on April 23, 2014, 22:21:09 pm
Does anyone have the comments that DC made in the programme on Monday.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 23, 2014, 22:22:10 pm
They were on the os today.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: New Dawn Fades on April 23, 2014, 22:38:18 pm
And me probably but I have heard so many different versions of the rumours and guesswork saying what is and isn't happening I just want someone to verify and state exactly what is happening and what isn't against the original announcement to put this all to bed.
The unknown is being fuelled by people putting random one liners or guessed financial expenditures against the loaned £12m without a shred of solid evidence.  We have had boxes on stilts peering over the top of the East stand, even had padded seats quoted now, was that all from the boy in the club shop as well?  ???

Agree completely, The only problem is that the person who should be verifying the fact from the fiction, People don't believe anymore.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 23, 2014, 23:02:59 pm
Have we got rid of the disabled section? Looks like they're wedging some seats in the walk way in the east, which was once where wheelchairs accessed?

The capacity was reduced to allow Directors a box in the west stand!
Built with money loaned to expand Sixfields.
This should tell you all you need to know.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 23, 2014, 23:04:10 pm
And me probably but I have heard so many different versions of the rumours and guesswork saying what is and isn't happening I just want someone to verify and state exactly what is happening and what isn't against the original announcement to put this all to bed.
The unknown is being fuelled by people putting random one liners or guessed financial expenditures against the loaned £12m without a shred of solid evidence.  We have had boxes on stilts peering over the top of the East stand, even had padded seats quoted now, was that all from the boy in the club shop as well?  ???

I take no responsibility for padded seat gate.  ;D
I assumed you wouldn't bother replacing fully functional sh1tty plastic seats, with new sh1tty plastic seats. Plus I went to the Amex recently, which is fully padded. There is a joke about Brighton somewhere in that.  ;)
Ask DC if you are not sure what's happening. If he'd left the increased capacity alone we wouldn't be having this debate, as it is the most important part for the average fan.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 24, 2014, 00:20:44 am
I take no responsibility for padded seat gate.  ;D
I assumed you wouldn't bother replacing fully functional sh1tty plastic seats, with new sh1tty plastic seats. Plus I went to the Amex recently, which is fully padded. There is a joke about Brighton somewhere in that.  ;)
Ask DC if you are not sure what's happening. If he'd left the increased capacity alone we wouldn't be having this debate, as it is the most important part for the average fan.

It was also the basis for the 12+ year delay. If it was only ever a question of carrying out an internal re-furb/upgrade to the stadium facilities, then I doubt the Lib-Dems would have fought so vehemently to delay proceedings. It was largely due to their concerns regarding stadium expansion, and out of town retail, which delayed proceedings.
DC has used the Liberals as whipping boys for the last ten years, and now, when finally given the green light, it looks like he will once again fail to deliver as promised.
Remember this, Dave: Your legacy will be marked forever over the next few weeks/months. A stadium to be proud of, and a new dawn in which to try and finally move up the leagues, and you could yet end up a Northampton Town legend. Relegation, and the deliverance of a non-league style ground, and you're efforts will be forever tarnished.
Please, for all of our sake, get this one right.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 24, 2014, 07:36:29 am
I love these pseudo intellectual debating threads; so much passion and Demosthenes type rhetoric - I mean some posters suddenly emerge after months of inactivity. Bȕgger the fact we are at deaths door - if only you lot were more concerned about the team than the in's and out's of Redev' we wouldn't be in the mess we are now in.

Well that comment sums you up perfectly Evertrite. The fans you have been slagging off for months do what is needed by turning up at the games in numbers, very impressive numbers of recent, yet all you want to do is put them down with very poorly thought out put downs on a board that only recently you described as having no effect on those at the club what so ever. You come across as a very confused old man.

We'll get on with being there at the games as well as showing concern for our club's well being also while you continue with your agenda.

Don't forget now, it's pants before trousers in the morning.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 24, 2014, 07:45:05 am
and socks?  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 24, 2014, 09:16:12 am
Well that comment sums you up perfectly Evertrite.


I have a feeling that you  didn't Do too well
At school,or your simply not very clever.Never let personal animosity effect
Your judgement or you will have a Ralapse?
Get it!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 24, 2014, 09:21:02 am
And me probably but I have heard so many different versions of the rumours and guesswork saying what is and isn't happening I just want someone to verify and state exactly what is happening and what isn't against the original announcement to put this all to bed.
The unknown is being fuelled by people putting random one liners or guessed financial expenditures against the loaned £12m without a shred of solid evidence.  We have had boxes on stilts peering over the top of the East stand, even had padded seats quoted now, was that all from the boy in the club shop as well?  ???

I'm sorry but when anyone else states their concern your reply seems to be 'Go and speak to DC'. So, in response to your statement regarding your wishes for clarity on exactly what is happening I would pose the response - Go and speak to DC.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 24, 2014, 09:25:24 am
Does that mean that anyone that has questions regarding players should all go and speak to wilder instead of raising any points on here?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 24, 2014, 10:06:59 am
I have a feeling that you  didn't Do too well
At school,or your simply not very clever.Never let personal animosity effect
Your judgement or you will have a Ralapse?
Get it!


Oh dear me. And that was after the editing!



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 24, 2014, 10:40:03 am
[quote author =Ralap link=topic=5547.msg193806#msg193806 date=1398330419]

Oh dear me. And that was after the editing!


[/quote]
  8)
 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on April 24, 2014, 10:46:10 am
So the chron have finally decided to run a story about the stadium expansion.  It's basically just DCs programme notes.  But in their story they say that the capacity will now be 9,000.  However this isn't a quote so I don't know where they got that figure from.  So we currently have a 8,000, 8,500 and 9,000 figure.  Which one will it be?

Also in this thread people have referred a few times to the OS, what's that?

I'm interested to see how they fit the hotel and conference centre in behind the west stand.

Also what some seem to have missed is that with the hotel and conference centre going behind the west instead of the east, that gives them more room to build more houses.  The issue this raises for me is how close to the east stand will he build? Will we end with a situation where the east can no longer be expanded (after this expansion) as there is housing too close to the stand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 24, 2014, 10:51:15 am
OS = Official Site or was that a Waaaah?  ;)

Shall I run a sweepstake on the seat capacity of Sixfields at 1500hrs on the first Saturday home match of the 2014/15 season?  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 24, 2014, 11:00:22 am
Shall I run a sweepstake on the seat capacity of Sixfields at 1500hrs on the first Saturday home match of the 2014/15 season?

Or on how many of the seats available will not be occupied?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 24, 2014, 11:18:34 am
The Chron are obviously towing the Cardoza line as they refer to the new capacity being "About" 9000. A newspaper not wanting to put a positive spin on the story would have said 8000 + seats.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 11:31:20 am
I'm really looking forward to seeing and experiencing the new ground. It'll be our first opportunity to see a 8,000+ gate watching the Cobblers in Northampton in over twenty years. Cracking. I hope the local support doesn't let us down.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 24, 2014, 11:59:42 am
I'm really looking forward to seeing and experiencing the new ground. It'll be our first opportunity to see a 8,000+ gate watching the Cobblers in Northampton in over twenty years. Cracking. I hope the local support doesn't let us down.

Yeah, but you're also looking forward to watching us play in the conference :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 12:03:50 pm
Yeah, but you're also looking forward to watching us play in the conference :P

Well, for me at least it wont be the end of the world. I watch the Cobblers, not the team they happen to be playing.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 24, 2014, 12:08:00 pm
I'm really looking forward to seeing and experiencing the new ground. It'll be our first opportunity to see a 8,000+ gate watching the Cobblers in Northampton in over twenty years. Cracking. I hope the local support doesn't let us down.
only 6000 of those are available to Northampton based football supporters, so better not start getting promoted or heavens forbid go on a cup run a draw some big clubs!

Despite being really poor this season  4500/5500 have turned up for recent games, that's 70/80% occupancy.

I have accepted we have been duped into believing we were getting the promised development and now accept we are, and always will be a nothing club devoid of any ambition..

Thank you Mr Chairman.

Re the 9000 claim by the w ankers at chronicle and bullsh1t, well that made me laugh ;D



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 12:33:35 pm
only 6000 of those are available to Northampton based football supporters



Well that's not strictly true is it, we sometimes accommodate all away fans in the East Stand when the numbers traveling dictate so in cases such as those the South could be opened up to home fans should the demand arise.

It would appear to me that you and several others CHOOSE to look on the downside of everything at the moment. If you don't mind I'm much happier looking on the bright side so wont be joining you in your misery.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 24, 2014, 12:44:26 pm
Well that's not strictly true is it, we sometimes accommodate all away fans in the East Stand when the numbers traveling dictate so in cases such as those the South could be opened up to home fans should the demand arise.

It would appear to me that you and several others CHOOSE to look on the downside of everything at the moment. If you don't mind I'm much happier looking on the bright side so wont be joining you in your misery.

I know Marvo has some outlandish views on the Conference but the post above is a fair one and not to be dismissed out of hand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 24, 2014, 12:58:05 pm
Marvo has gone from www.mrdownside.com in the latter months of Aidy Boothroyd to www.mrupside.com in the first few months of Chris Wilder.

Im not quite sure whats changed for him (John)?

Admittedly, we've moved from 24th to 23rd which is a positive.

Whilst the ground redevelopment has been scaled down from 10,000 to around 8,000.

Marvo...give me some of your positive juice please mate! Whilst at the same time, tell me what cured you of your last bout of manic Cobblers Depression disorder. And before you tell me it was plain and simply a change of manager, I would argue that whilst our results are a bit better since Wilder came in (understandably given he was given an open cheque book in his first week), CW is merely mirroring the journey the last geezer took us on! And with the same, shockingly boring football and even more so negative tactics!





Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobbler_rob on April 24, 2014, 13:50:34 pm
It wasn't even 10,000 in the first place, it was 'around 10,000'. They planned to put in 10 extra rows of seats which would be 2000 extra seats (10x200), taking the capacity to just over 9,500. Now they plan 6 rows which will knock 800 seats off, taking it to around 8,700. Doesn't seem too bad to me considering we're getting a complete makeover in the West


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 24, 2014, 14:02:25 pm
It wasn't even 10,000 in the first place, it was 'around 10,000'. They planned to put in 10 extra rows of seats which would be 2000 extra seats (10x200), taking the capacity to just over 9,500. Now they plan 6 rows which will knock 800 seats off, taking it to around 8,700. Doesn't seem too bad to me considering we're getting a complete makeover in the West

if correct this should appease the disenchanted :(


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: threeinabed on April 24, 2014, 14:16:24 pm
if correct this should appease the disenchanted :(

of course it wont, people will still cry that they weren't told exactly how many seats there would be from the off, or which stand was being changed or what colour the grass is next home game, or that we have to buy seated tickets at dagenham before terraced.................



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 24, 2014, 14:20:10 pm
How did you know that the application to change the colour of the grass has nearly been agreed?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 24, 2014, 14:25:08 pm
ok, mr positive supporters...you ANSWER THIS. Or at least TRY TO!

Total stadium budget = 7.5million

So lets ASSUME for a minute that this refurb is costing 7.5million

Given that the bulk of the cost to add seats will be the removal of the roof, adding beams etc....then how much EXTRA would 4 rows of seats have cost?

I would say that this cost would be very very negligible. Given that we know other clubs can build a hole 12000 capacity stadium for 12 million quid.

That by the way works out at at £1000-00 per seat. So just on that basis (obviously it would be far cheaper for us because the ground is already in place etc) those 800 seats that are being cut off of the project will shave 800k off of the bill. And as I say, it would likely be half of that or less in any case.

But even at 800k...thats around 10% of the budget. So I ask the question again...and it is only a question. WHAT IS THE MONEY BEING SPENT ON? WHAT IS THE 7.5 MILLION QUID BEING USED ON? *

*Because it sure as hell isn't being used on anything that we...the fans...will see/benefit from. Or on the face of it, very little of it is.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 24, 2014, 14:28:39 pm
How did you know that the application to change the colour of the grass has nearly been agreed?

trust you to let that out of the bag - you have just unleashed the dogs of war ;)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Manwork04 on April 24, 2014, 14:32:14 pm
It wasn't even 10,000 in the first place, it was 'around 10,000'. They planned to put in 10 extra rows of seats which would be 2000 extra seats (10x200), taking the capacity to just over 9,500. Now they plan 6 rows which will knock 800 seats off, taking it to around 8,700. Doesn't seem too bad to me considering we're getting a complete makeover in the West

Please try and get your facts right FFS read back in this thread look at the plans all public domain, it was 12 rows in the upper deck as the West.(10K)

Cobblerwatch PM me if you want to meet


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobbler_rob on April 24, 2014, 18:09:20 pm
ok, mr positive supporters...you ANSWER THIS. Or at least TRY TO!

Total stadium budget = 7.5million

So lets ASSUME for a minute that this refurb is costing 7.5million

Given that the bulk of the cost to add seats will be the removal of the roof, adding beams etc....then how much EXTRA would 4 rows of seats have cost?

I would say that this cost would be very very negligible. Given that we know other clubs can build a hole 12000 capacity stadium for 12 million quid.

That by the way works out at at £1000-00 per seat. So just on that basis (obviously it would be far cheaper for us because the ground is already in place etc) those 800 seats that are being cut off of the project will shave 800k off of the bill. And as I say, it would likely be half of that or less in any case.

But even at 800k...thats around 10% of the budget. So I ask the question again...and it is only a question. WHAT IS THE MONEY BEING SPENT ON? WHAT IS THE 7.5 MILLION QUID BEING USED ON? *

*Because it sure as hell isn't being used on anything that we...the fans...will see/benefit from. Or on the face of it, very little of it is.



Take into account you probably wouldn't need the concourse half way up the stand like they have in the West with 16 rows of seats, and therefore can use the 2 tunnels that are there at the moment you would probably actually save quite a bit. Even if its £1 million that would go a long way to the boxes in the West. Guess we'll all find out in a few weeks however when the plans are finalised.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 24, 2014, 19:22:38 pm
This thread has gone round and round. So while a few are happy to have the leagues smallest ground with the likes of Accrington Morecambe and Dag Red, and folks are happy with the bullsh1t  being served up, that's how its going to be forever more.














Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 24, 2014, 21:23:49 pm
That's because we shouldn't be bunking about the ground we should only be thinking about the team.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 24, 2014, 21:52:40 pm
ok, mr positive supporters...you ANSWER THIS. Or at least TRY TO!

Total stadium budget = 7.5million

So lets ASSUME for a minute that this refurb is costing 7.5million

Given that the bulk of the cost to add seats will be the removal of the roof, adding beams etc....then how much EXTRA would 4 rows of seats have cost?

I would say that this cost would be very very negligible. Given that we know other clubs can build a hole 12000 capacity stadium for 12 million quid.

That by the way works out at at £1000-00 per seat. So just on that basis (obviously it would be far cheaper for us because the ground is already in place etc) those 800 seats that are being cut off of the project will shave 800k off of the bill. And as I say, it would likely be half of that or less in any case.

But even at 800k...thats around 10% of the budget. So I ask the question again...and it is only a question. WHAT IS THE MONEY BEING SPENT ON? WHAT IS THE 7.5 MILLION QUID BEING USED ON? *

*Because it sure as hell isn't being used on anything that we...the fans...will see/benefit from. Or on the face of it, very little of it is.



One more thing: The mantra coming out of the club is that capacity can easily,quickly,cheaply be added should it be required, by building up the ends.
Is anything really cheaper to do at a later date? Will re-employing another building crew, getting them on site to carry out the work in 5(?) years time, honestly be cheaper than getting it done now, while the diggers are in and the bloody roofs off!
And that's assuming the money hasn't been spent on something else in 5(?) years.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 21:56:51 pm
Your assuming that we'll need a greater capacity. The majority of our history suggest we won't.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 24, 2014, 22:08:54 pm
Which is all the more sad when you look 20 minutes down the road. Over double our average attendance, crowd of over 20,000 this season, Spurs considering a ground share and all they had to do was borrow a lower league team and have a forward thinking council.
Still, I prefer a bumpkin accent to a mockney one.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 24, 2014, 22:47:44 pm
Your assuming that we'll need a greater capacity. The majority of our history suggest we won't.
You like pointing out the historic failures of this club under the guidance of the present and past Chairman, but does it always have to be sh1t for us? Is there a possibility we're not completely fecked as a football club and someone can guide this club in the right direction?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 23:02:32 pm
You like pointing out the historic failures of this club under the guidance of the present and past Chairman, but does it always have to be sh1t for us? Is there a possibility we're not completely fecked as a football club and someone can guide this club in the right direction?

No idea. Been like that over the 50 years I've supported them but I guess there's always hope.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 24, 2014, 23:11:28 pm
Is hope not one of the reasons supporting a club like ours is manageable?
The idea of my little club growing  and progressing up the leagues is much more exciting than the prospect of 50 years of league two (or conference football)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 23:47:36 pm
Is hope not one of the reasons supporting a club like ours is manageable?
The idea of my little club growing  and progressing up the leagues is much more exciting than the prospect of 50 years of league two (or conference football)

Do you think it's any better the further up you go?

How do you think Man Utd supporters are feeling this season?

What about Man City? All that money and just the League Cup to show for it.

Or maybe you'd rather be a West Ham or a Stoke, when just staying in the Premiership is all you have to cling on to?

We all want to win football matches and if we can be entertained at the same time, well that's a bonus. Other than that most seasons it's pretty shit for most supporters, whatever league you're in.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on April 25, 2014, 06:04:50 am
Many people are missing the main point of the redevelopment. To sustain the club long-term revenue needs to be raised on non match days. Therefore the loan is being spent mainly on the hotel, conference centre and executive boxes which can be used everyday. Do people think the priority should be 3 or 5K extra seats that might be used 2 or 3 times a year in the short-term? Which is the most cost effective for revenue in the long-term for the benefit of the club?
Personally I think the club are missing a marketing trick by not showing a stadium layout which is their TARGET ie; a 15,000 capacity stadium with seating on the back of the North and South stands, importantly the corners filled in and more seats in the East stand! The revenue generated would facilitate investment in the team and further ground expansion because we can not rely on individual Chairmen to bankroll the club!
Just a suggestion DC ........over to you!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 25, 2014, 07:37:38 am
Two excellent posts in a row. As rare as two wins in a row.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: tcobb on April 25, 2014, 07:41:07 am
One point i cant find the answer too, if some of these new boxes are going to be available for next season, how much are they ? How many people do they hold ? What is included in the package, surely if the club want to sell these shouldn't some marketing information be available by now ?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 25, 2014, 07:53:38 am
This thread has gone round and round. So while a few are happy to have the leagues smallest ground with the likes of Accrington Morecambe and Dag Red, and folks are happy with the bullsh1t  being served up, that's how its going to be forever more.













Have you been to Stanley's and Daggers grounds?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 25, 2014, 08:21:32 am
This thread has gone round and round. So while a few are happy to have the leagues smallest ground with the likes of Accrington Morecambe and Dag Red, and folks are happy with the bullsh1t  being served up, that's how its going to be forever more.

Just checked the figures, there are 9 League 2 clubs with a smaller capacity than ours, this will increase to 12 with the redevelopment, possibly 13 as I haven't yet seen the final figure and we should be close to the Exeter capacity as well.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 25, 2014, 09:09:22 am
Just checked the figures, there are 9 League 2 clubs with a smaller capacity than ours, this will increase to 12 with the redevelopment, possibly 13 as I haven't yet seen the final figure and we should be close to the Exeter capacity as well.
  You  know our capacity after all the boxes go in will be 8000 only?   The Chairman said so... Now try again.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 25, 2014, 09:19:51 am
  You  know our capacity after all the boxes go in will be 8000 only?   The Chairman said so... Now try again.

When did he say that?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: John on April 25, 2014, 10:33:11 am
The Chronicle & Echo reports around 9,000.

Clubs that have a lower capacity than our current of 7,500.

Accrington Stanley, AFC Wimbledon, Burton Albion, Cheltenham, Dagenham, Fleetwood, Morecambe, Newport, Torquay. That's NINE.

If we go up to 8,500.

Hartlepool, Mansfield & York. That's THREE

If we go up to 9,000

Exeter. That's ONE.

Now then, NINE + THREE + ONE = THIRTEEN.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 25, 2014, 10:46:36 am
Do you think it's any better the further up you go?

How do you think Man Utd supporters are feeling this season?

What about Man City? All that money and just the League Cup to show for it.

Or maybe you'd rather be a West Ham or a Stoke, when just staying in the Premiership is all you have to cling on to?

We all want to win football matches and if we can be entertained at the same time, well that's a bonus. Other than that most seasons it's pretty shit for most supporters, whatever league you're in.

Those Burnley fans looked pretty fed up at the prospect of a miserable season in the Prem....
I guess you could point to the joy on the pitch at the Kennel club but I know a Luton fan and he's been even more miserable than the average Cobblers fan for the past 5 years, I can assure you!

Forget the Prem. Anyone under the age of 50 would just like to see a season or two in the Championship before they pop their clogs. If P*sh, MK, Yeovil etc etc etc can, then it's not too much to ask.
I'd be happy to experience a higher quality of being miserable for a change.




Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on April 25, 2014, 10:47:11 am
When did he say that?

Indeed, it is annoying how people keep putting up comments without source quotes or expanding on where the information came from.

As said by a few, the chron are reporting a 9,000 capacity but even that wasn't from a quote or a press release so I can't help but wonder if the chron have made that up too.

The interesting thing is that the club have announced that they are about to submit a planning application for the hotel and conference centre, so things are moving on.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 25, 2014, 10:57:03 am

And before you tell me it was plain and simply a change of manager, I would argue that whilst our results are a bit better since Wilder came in (understandably given he was given an open cheque book in his first week), CW is merely mirroring the journey the last geezer took us on! And with the same, shockingly boring football and even more so negative tactics!


I think Wilder has been given an easy ride so far. We have had more than enough time to be home free by now. Of course it would be mostly the last idiots fault if we went down but WHEN we stay up it'll be interesting to see how wide the brush is on the squad front.

Driller is right though. Most of the time it is difficult to tell the difference on the pitch between an AB side and a CW one. Having said that, we are not second from bottom without reason!


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 25, 2014, 11:56:57 am
When did he say that?
Cardoza was asked / put on the spot at last weeks press conference as to what the new capacity will be after the development.. He replied 8000 but he was very happy to get a new Directors box as trade off..

That's when all this sh1t kicked off...

Its not what we were promised and will seriously hold back the club later down the line.

Unless some loan money is ring fenced, there will be no expansion 'as and when' as Elvis once sang...Its now or never ;D

Marvo don't believe everything you read in the paper...


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 25, 2014, 12:24:00 pm
Don't bang those clappers too much next Saturday over in the East stand.

http://youtu.be/RX3MmEo9kj0


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: NaggerPagger on April 25, 2014, 13:17:39 pm
Having read today’s report on the official site I am more than happy with the way the development seems to be shaping up.
Yes I'm disappointed the East is smaller than originally planned but 9000 capacity would be adequate at the moment.
The improvements to the West sounds logical and the conference and hotel facilities being on that side of the ground do make sense.
I'm looking forward to seeing the new plans and look forward to next seasons L2 campaign.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 25, 2014, 13:36:23 pm
That's better, 9000 seats and all the other bits.

We can all except that and hopefully no more major changes for the worse.

Just keep us in the football league now ;D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 25, 2014, 13:37:18 pm
There's one thing that can be said about DC ... He always delivers.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 25, 2014, 13:49:33 pm
I'll take a bet there won't be 9000 seats after this development.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 25, 2014, 13:50:49 pm
http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/sixfields-redevelopment-1509905.aspx

That's better, a bit of confirmed clarification.  Well done the Trust.
Hopefully this stops all of the blood vessel bursting arguments, rumours and made up guesswork that has dominated this thread over the past couple of days/weeks!  But then again, I am realistic...  8)


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: bri77 on April 25, 2014, 13:51:21 pm
I thought that was quite a good q and a to be honest.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: felipefelop on April 25, 2014, 13:58:01 pm
Agree with 'bri77' & 'Deepcut Cobbler'

Everything answered well and has given me hope for this club. Onwards and upwards
 


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cobblertone on April 25, 2014, 14:08:16 pm
http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/sixfields-redevelopment-1509905.aspx

That's better, a bit of confirmed clarification.  Well done the Trust.
Hopefully this stops all of the blood vessel bursting arguments, rumours and made up guesswork that has dominated this thread over the past couple of days/weeks!  But then again, I am realistic...  8)

I'm disappointed that padded seats didn't make the Q&A  :P
Hopefully the hotel application flies through. It sounds as though the whole area around the ground may be a built of a building site next season.

On a side note. Does anyone know if they are still building next to the cinema? Maybe they scrapped the Nandos when Bayo left. There were plans for a precinct all the way down the left as you look from the front.
That area is a gold mine for the right business.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 25, 2014, 14:08:40 pm
Good to hear some clarification from DC on the matter. Let's hope everything goes to plan and we can get what he says he will deliver.

I have one area of concern though!! Initially it was said that the housing/retail would pay back the loan. Now DC says it will produce 'at least £5m'....so that leaves a 7.5 million amount outstanding. He also says that he doesn't want to saddle the club with that loan for long and that the business plan is in place....I hope that plan is watertight and guaranteed to produce the required income. £7.5 million is a lot to have to pay back whilst also attempting to make money to strengthen the team.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 25, 2014, 14:09:56 pm
It clears everything up and makes perfect sense.

Not sure why there is still need to question it or moan?

East Stand will be 3,500 capacity, West Stand is about that isn't it? North and South are 950 each? So there is your 9k capacity?



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 25, 2014, 14:10:35 pm
I bet there won't be more than 8,993 seats. Any takers?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Manwork04 on April 25, 2014, 14:14:50 pm

"I am hoping it will be nearer 9,000" Lets wait and see!!!!

Why take out 1000 seats, really dont understand that???

It costs about a £1000 per seat so its peanuts in the toatal scope of the project.

Surely a more Balanced East Stand ( 4000 seats) with the west would look better and be a lasting Legacy for you David????

Glad to meet as I said PM me



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: TbananaG on April 25, 2014, 14:20:42 pm
The line that the ground capacity could be very quickly and easily increased when the time comes by adding to the North and South stands does sound entirely plausible.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 25, 2014, 14:22:11 pm
I don't trust him Dunc, that's why. Maybe he'll turn me round one day but I doubt he's that concerned just like you shouldn't be seeing's as you are content with our brand new 8993 capacity stadium.
I hope my seat isn't one of the twenty.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 25, 2014, 14:22:55 pm
The line that the ground capacity could be very quickly and easily increased when the time comes by adding to the North and South stands does sound entirely plausible.

 ;D Doesn't it just.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on April 25, 2014, 14:44:41 pm
Just read through the link to the ntfc site.  I'm quite happy that the club are moving forward with it all.   My only remaining questions though are.

Will the new seats by padded like most new stands and stadiums in the country?

DC says that the club shop is staying where it is for the foreseeable future, yet the submitted plans show it in the west stand and much larger.  Why has this changed and what is going in the west stand instead.

Now my main concern.  How close will he build the retail/housing development behind the east stand.  Will this prevent any further expansion of the east many years down the line if needed?


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 25, 2014, 14:54:31 pm
Will this prevent any further expansion of the east many years down the line if needed?

By then you'll be grown up, with kids and a mortgage and you'll care a lot less than you do now. If not you'll be a sad old sod without a life.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: everbrite on April 25, 2014, 14:55:43 pm
I don't trust him Dunc, that's why. Maybe he'll turn me round one day but I doubt he's that concerned just like you shouldn't be seeing's as you are content with our brand new 8993 capacity stadium.
I hope my seat isn't one of the twenty.

Your the doubting Thomas of Jesus fame ???


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 25, 2014, 15:01:38 pm
Padded seats would bring my knees even closer to the seat in front!  :P


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on April 25, 2014, 15:03:58 pm
I don't trust him Dunc, that's why. Maybe he'll turn me round one day but I doubt he's that concerned just like you shouldn't be seeing's as you are content with our brand new 8993 capacity stadium.
I hope my seat isn't one of the twenty.

I like your honesty and your opinion is respected. Fair play mate.



Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on April 25, 2014, 15:06:34 pm
Will this prevent any further expansion of the east many years down the line if needed?

By then you'll be grown up, with kids and a mortgage and you'll care a lot less than you do now. If not you'll be a sad old sod without a life.

Well I'm actually already grown up with a child and a mortgage.  I just happen to follow my local football team and want to see it grow and succeed.

The saints made the same mistake a few years ago when it passed up the chance of purchasing some land behind the saints from express lifts.  They now can't expand one of their stands as the housing estate is too close to the stand.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: cricketside on April 25, 2014, 15:22:19 pm
Good luck then. It's what I wanted. I'm 73 now and am a Recovering Addict. It no longer ruins my weekend and I've deliberately forgotten the 40,000+ that went to Wembley and will fill the new, greatly expanded stadium of your dreams. I feel better for it.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 25, 2014, 15:43:42 pm
;D Doesn't it just.

Didn't Ballast Nedham say that back in 1994? :D


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: Ralap on April 25, 2014, 15:45:57 pm
I like your honesty and your opinion is respected. Fair play mate.



You are a gentleman Sir.

Now lets look forward to two positive results and us keeping our league status to enjoy the improvements in. Cannot wait for the game tomorrow and I'm only twenty years your junior Cricketside.


Title: Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
Post by: County Cobbler on April 25, 2014, 15:49:55 pm
So many false dawns from Chairmen in the past. New ground at Weston Favell in the Sixties, at Brackmills in the Eighties.
Well done to the Cardoza's for putting money where their mouths are. The vast majority of fans are very grateful so ignore the pathetic Jonah's!
I
For the first time EVER we should have the off-field structure to sustain a stability on the field. Atkins said NTFC  could only have short term success because