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Title: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 03, 2013, 13:08:06 pm
A number of posters on here and the Chronic site keep saying that the attendances are reducing game on game "200 down on our last match" etc..

Newport - 3775
Torquay - 3836
Scunny  - 3726
Exeter   - 3778
Morec    - 3748

Seems that they are holding up for now, which takes away one reason for a managerial change, but for how long?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Baby Bear on October 03, 2013, 13:43:53 pm
Unless we budgeted for a bigger crowd, and wembley/ the dire football on show for much of last season, had already seen the crowds begin to dwindle, long before this season began.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Monty on October 03, 2013, 13:57:14 pm
Do these figures take into account away fans? Because I think we've only Hartlepool/Plymouth to go for the long-distance travellers - and I suspect they will be better supported than those that have been here before.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 03, 2013, 14:00:14 pm
I see that against our 4150 (ish) average last season but those would have decided before the season started, not since.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 03, 2013, 14:01:03 pm
Do these figures take into account away fans? Because I think we've only Hartlepool/Plymouth to go for the long-distance travellers - and I suspect they will be better supported than those that have been here before.

They are the home fans only figures


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on October 03, 2013, 15:06:55 pm
When I first started watching NTFC, around 2000 and up until c.2007/8 if we got a crowd of less than 5,000 for a home game it was considered unusual.

I appreciate the economy has tanked significantly since then, but we've gone backwards to such an extent since then that 4,000 is now considered par.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: super-si on October 03, 2013, 16:13:26 pm
When I first started watching NTFC, around 2000 and up until c.2007/8 if we got a crowd of less than 5,000 for a home game it was considered unusual.

I appreciate the economy has tanked significantly since then, but we've gone backwards to such an extent since then that 4,000 is now considered par.

Don't forget the MKDons factor - that is the reason for much of reduction.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 03, 2013, 16:51:05 pm
What to NTFC need to break even is it 5000?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 03, 2013, 20:00:05 pm
Unless we budgeted for a bigger crowd, and wembley/ the dire football on show for much of last season, had already seen the crowds begin to dwindle, long before this season began.
People will watch a winning team no matter how they play. See Atkins and the regular 6000+ crowds.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on October 03, 2013, 20:14:52 pm
Don't forget the MKDons factor - that is the reason for much of reduction.

Get real! The MK Dongs factor is as insignificant as MK Dongs themselves!

Try a dire over-priced match day experience at Sixfields as a factor!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on October 03, 2013, 20:33:16 pm
As the Bear says, people had already made their minds up post Wembley and last season in general. There has NEVER been a season I have been looking forward to less than this one. Probably mainly driven by the fact that I don't care about football in general as much these days, but also from the uninspiring end to 2012-2013 and close season. I've been once this season and would usually have missed one game by now.

I personally don't think the crowds will drop a lot lower than they are now, maybe a couple of hundred or so. A new manager would bring a couple of hundred back for a game or two, depending the fare on offer.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 03, 2013, 21:39:04 pm
The Wembley showing killed us, and I think pretty much all of us felt that at the time. I had never been so downbeat on the eve of a football season, Im sure I started a thread about it being the most uninspiring pre-season ever! And it was. Unfortunately that pre-season has carried into the season, we just need to somehow get through this patch and get things moving again. At some point we will for sure.

Back to this week and its Friday tomorrow and still no sign of the coveted striker or midfielder that we so desperately need to give us a chance! Im just not convinced that the owner and the manager are seeing things like 90% plus of the fans are!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Its_nice_to_michu on October 03, 2013, 21:39:31 pm
i remember thinking around this time last year after the 4-0 loss at Barnet "we are f***ed".  we looked a bang average side then, but some how A.B TURNED THINGS AROUND. clearly he is a slow burner that does, in the end get it right... i am sticking with him. UTC..


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 03, 2013, 21:50:07 pm
People will watch a winning team no matter how they play. See Atkins and the regular 6000+ crowds.

And to a certain extent people will watch decent football even if the team is losing a few games along the way. The big problem is when you have a team who are nether winning nor entertaining. Theres plenty of other distractions worthy of soneones hard earned cash if this is the case!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 03, 2013, 22:46:36 pm
Just a comparison, look back at last season, the first 5 home games were as follows....

Rotherham 3545
Southend 4106
Wimbledon 3797
Chesterfield  4095
Gillingham  3260

The Gillingham game was on a Tuesday night (hence the low gate), but gates were much more variable last season weren't they? 18863 home fans in the first five this season, 18803 for the first five last season. So you could say we've picked up 12 extra fans per game this season.....I guess that's what a successful season brings you!!  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: super-si on October 04, 2013, 06:58:27 am
Get real! The MK ****s factor is as insignificant as MK ****s themselves!

Try a dire over-priced match day experience at Sixfields as a factor!

Okay Coolcat...how many who live near MK do you think decided that Dons were their local team instead of Cobblers or Luton...3? 10? Yes of course there are stay aways coz they don't like it...but not 1200 odd. Despite the results this season, the football at Sixfields has been more entertaining than last season...except Morecambe perhaps


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 04, 2013, 07:11:59 am
I don't think it's the football, the results or anything in particular why the gates are down from a few years ago.
I also don't think it money because you can't get people to go to the Cobblers for free these days! Back in the 90's when we got to Wenbley we took double the fans than we did this year and those fans were 'up for it' on the day.

My belief is that over time the club has simply stagnated and until the redevelopment occurs and some cash is spent on some 'exiting signings' it's going to remain 'dig in time'. Today is for us hard core, tomorrow will be for the fair weather and the floaters.
And that's the way it is! No body in particularly is to blame, the club
Has sufferered simila pro-longed spells in the past.

There is zero buzz on match days, when we had those 2 good years under Atkins the atmosphere at sixfields was fantastic and even quite intimidating. The redevelopment though really is a case of seeing is believing because it's dragged on so long. Even now Every month we here that plans will be shown in 2 weeks! This season we've simply just got to stay a football league side...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: SteveRiches on October 04, 2013, 11:36:45 am
You're right, Drilling, in all you say - we often cannot use our tickets because of work or being away, but friends just burst out laughing if I ask if they want them! So really, price at this stage is not an issue.

Our public image as a football club is not good, the Wembley debacle simply re-inforced that perception of us being serial losers, and it lost us a lot of friends who could have been won over by a fighting display and tactics and selection that made some sort of sense. It was instead a total disaster and Boothroyd was out of his depth, also most of last year's football was numbingly unattractive. We threw away automatic promotion with staggering tactical incompetence.

The unpreparedness for the new season has been a nightmare for which Boothroyd is largely responsible. It isn't sacking time, but it's "Get it right pretty damn quick" time or he's a dead duck. If he can't do that then we go back another two years in playing terms and he's out on  his *rse and we're left with a squad, most of which no sensible manager will want. There are massive dragging-on financial implications in that. Only time will show whether Boothroyd has the mettle to get it working properly. I think he can but it isn't a certainty.

So, that all seems totally depressive, BUT I think the club is well run off the field and with expansion just a short time away there's lots to look forward to. I am firm in my belief that we will become a Championship club within reasonable time, and that we WILL then fill 10,000 seats and I can turn round and say "Told you so!".
The present hurdle has to be jumped, however, and if it meant kicking out Boothroyd, and Cardoza taking a punt with a bit more money to support a new man then it has to be. Throwing in the towel with most of the fight won would be daft, and would also be financial suicide to let it happen.
The preferred route to success will be Boothroyd getting it right.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Insider on October 04, 2013, 12:18:30 pm
Just a comparison, look back at last season, the first 5 home games were as follows....

Rotherham 3545
Southend 4106
Wimbledon 3797
Chesterfield  4095
Gillingham  3260

The Gillingham game was on a Tuesday night (hence the low gate), but gates were much more variable last season weren't they? 18863 home fans in the first five this season, 18803 for the first five last season. So you could say we've picked up 12 extra fans per game this season.....I guess that's what a successful season brings you!!  ;)

The Rotherham game was also on a Tuesday night.  Indeed all our lowest ever home attendances have all been Tuesday night fixtures; fortunately we don't have a home nidweek fixture this year, otherwise I could easily envisage a sub-3000 league gate for the first time especially on a freezing cold evening.  Rochdale on 28th January next year looks like a possibility....against whom I think we saw our first ever sub 4000 league gate at Sixfields.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Saint Cobbler on October 04, 2013, 14:48:10 pm
The sad thing is I think our defence is getting near being sorted now, but how can you win games without a decent goalscorer? I fear a 1-0 loss against the Wombles tomorrow and another dejected trudge back through the gates.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on October 04, 2013, 20:37:37 pm
Okay Coolcat...how many who live near MK do you think decided that Dons were their local team instead of Cobblers or Luton...3? 10? Yes of course there are stay aways coz they don't like it...but not 1200 odd. Despite the results this season, the football at Sixfields has been more entertaining than last season...except Morecambe perhaps

I know quite a few around the Newport, Wolverton, Stoney areas...none have defected..though  two or three stopped going to the Cobblers before there even was an MK Dons. Like I said, such an insignificant number as to have little or no bearing on the slight dip in attendances!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on October 05, 2013, 11:12:47 am
The crowds are lower now than they were 5+ years ago simply because NTFC hasn't done enough to retain the support.

Add to that a limp-wristed supporters trust who appear to do not much other than setting up car boot sales and sending a bloke along to board meetings, and you've got a club going nowhere.

Take Swansea, in one of the least economically prosperous areas of the UK as an example of an area where more and more people will turn up and watch the product if it's right.

Closer to home, the Saints' set up absolutely wipes the floor with NTFC's. You only have to spend 10 minutes in the 'village' they have at the Gardens to see that. As I remember the 'village' at Sixfields idea went in to the too difficult box.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Charlatan on October 06, 2013, 19:51:44 pm
Good post Clarkey. Bang on the club have simply not done enough. Try to get a pint in Carrs bar and that will say it all.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest48 on October 06, 2013, 20:21:06 pm
Try to get a pint in Carrs bar and that will say it all.
Have you been in recently ?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: SteveRiches on October 06, 2013, 20:27:50 pm
You are certainly correct about Carr's Bar - it's a shambles. The queuing process is random and annoying, the service slow, the choice of decent beer restricted. Of 5 separate pre-2.30pm attempts at getting a pint of real ale, I was successful on one matchday only, and that turned out to be the last pint because the poor sod in the queue behind me ordered one and it ran out after a few dribbles! Presumably once the stadium expansion has happened, there will be bigger drinking spaces and Carr's Bar won't be the heaving elbow-knocking beer-spilling crush that it is now. It's expensive, too, but I wouldn't mind paying that premium if it was a more comfortable place.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: betamax toploader on October 06, 2013, 21:08:34 pm
Presumably once the stadium expansion has happened, there will be bigger drinking spaces and Carr's Bar won't be the heaving elbow-knocking beer-spilling crush that it is now. It's expensive, too, but I wouldn't mind paying that premium if it was a more comfortable place.
It would appear that the stadium expansion is taking place around the East Stand, and nothing will change with regard to the facilities in the West.
An opportunity missed I feel, that those who have been to Stevenage, Forest Green, or even Hereford will testify to.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: SteveRiches on October 07, 2013, 07:11:32 am
If east stand becomes the one with changing rooms and new restaurant etc. facilities, then more space opens up in west stand, however I doubt if anyone has got that far yet in planning!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 07, 2013, 07:29:15 am
Swansea is the bench mark, I think it's fair to say that if you took 30 similar size clubs as NTFC from 10 years ago our 'progress' would be pretty much average. Many have fallen out of the league for starters, or at least had a spell out of the league.

Our facilities have remained the same during that spell. Swansea got their all singing all dancing new stadium as
did Hull and Cardiff who were both no better than us back then. Or in Hulls
Case it might have been a year or two before that.

Other clubs that are doing ok with new grounds are of course Rotherham and Chesterfied but that's very recent progress.

DC fell into the trap of not investing in Sixields ten years ago because the redevelopment was always 'just around the corner'. I can see why he didn't. We've now pretty much hit rock bottom for us but a look at the division above and Sheffielld UTD are actually doing worse points wise than we are and they are huge! Not to mention Pompey. We've just stagnated, let's hope the new facilities will properly kick start our progress over the next 2-3 seasons.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: A view from the east on October 07, 2013, 09:18:43 am
We can all talk about the facilities at Sixfields until we are blue in the face but the fact is it will be results and progression on the field
that sees bigger gates there , not the relative delights of Carrs bar or whether the pies are any good.( Carrs isn't that bad , by the way )
The more I think about it the more I am leaning towards a sustained period of keeping the same manager , taking the rough with the smooth , and hoping that the DC / AB master plan comes good. A move to attractive football and a steady climb up the division will bring the crowds back , of that there is no doubt ........ irrespective of the development , which I will only believe in when the diggers start arriving.
I don't need a hotel or two seats to sit in when I watch the Cobbs anyway.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on October 07, 2013, 11:19:18 am
The more I think about it the more I am leaning towards a sustained period of keeping the same manager , taking the rough with the smooth , and hoping that the DC / AB master plan comes good.

return of the prodigal son ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 07, 2013, 12:51:48 pm
I don't need a hotel or two seats to sit in when I watch the Cobbs anyway.
No but wouldn't it be nice for the club to be earning money at 3am on a Wednesday night?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: A view from the east on October 07, 2013, 15:14:04 pm
No but wouldn't it be nice for the club to be earning money at 3am on a Wednesday night?
It would indeed Marquis but is there any guarantee that any of the profits from the hotel or housing will be coming back to NTFC ? ,
and anyway even if they were wouldn't DC want some of his 9 million back first ? .


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 07, 2013, 16:59:00 pm
even if the hotel was sold on with no recurring payment in the deal all this stuff needs building for the long term future of the club
Way I'm led to believe it works is:
We borrow £12m and build the ground up - including larger conference stuff. This provides the ongoing 24/7 income
We sell off the land for housing and whatever and use the money from this to pay back the £12m loan over the next few years
Something like that anyway


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Saint Cobbler on October 07, 2013, 17:16:05 pm
A decade or so ago we beat Swansea in the play off final, we bring 30,000 they bring 19,000. Look at where we both are now. Says it all really.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: A view from the east on October 07, 2013, 17:18:03 pm
return of the prodigal son ;)
Never went away Evers , its just that I don't think we've got much choice at the moment.
Replacing AB would just put us back to where we were 2 years ago.
I will still lambaste him on here whenever he screws up though. ( like this summers recruitment policy and his love in with a platypus )


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on October 07, 2013, 17:50:03 pm
A decade or so ago we beat Swansea in the play off final, we bring 30,000 they bring 19,000. Look at where we both are now. Says it all really.

2 years ago we drew 1-1 with Conference North Stockport in a vital relegation clash in front of a crowd of 4807. Their most recent attendance was just under half this.

Our current situation could be a lot better, and it also could be a lot worse!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: mackemcobbler on October 07, 2013, 18:18:56 pm
It would appear that the stadium expansion is taking place around the East Stand, and nothing will change with regard to the facilities in the West.
An opportunity missed I feel, that those who have been to Stevenage, Forest Green, or even Hereford will testify to.
Add Barnet to that list


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 07, 2013, 19:03:51 pm
A decade or so ago we beat Swansea in the play off final, we bring 30,000 they bring 19,000. Look at where we both are now. Says it all really.

Grimsby?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on October 07, 2013, 19:13:59 pm
Grimsby?

Yeah exactly. I get bored of every sign of progress being compared to Swansea, and every loanee being compared to Jermaine Defoe!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: southofthecounty on October 07, 2013, 19:54:42 pm
Grimsby?
Exactly!
Beat me to it.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Saint Cobbler on October 08, 2013, 08:39:48 am
OK hands up, we're better off than one and worse off than the other, I'm quite happy where we are. Winning all the time is boring anyway. 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on October 08, 2013, 10:42:20 am
I don't think we have that many disappearing punters more a case of not  replacing  those lost through natural wastage such as old age and death and those who take a break to raise a family and pay a mortgage or play football on Saturday or those going to universities etc.
These total 15% per season these have to be replaced to
keep maintaining and increasing numbers.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: MKMal on October 08, 2013, 12:13:37 pm
Just about every club in the country including many Premiership clubs are seeing gates falling. I think overkill of football on tv, general apathy, modern relationships where partners/wives want to do things with their other half on a Saturday and less spare money around are all taking effect.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on October 08, 2013, 13:37:40 pm
Just about every club in the country including many Premiership clubs are seeing gates falling. I think overkill of football on tv, general apathy, modern relationships where partners/wives want to do things with their other half on a Saturday and less spare money around are all taking effect.

There's been no meaningful decline for years, it's been an upward curve since 1990.  The only thing that stops the premierships attendances growing is stadium size, practically every prem game is at least 90% full.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Elad on October 08, 2013, 13:44:33 pm
There's been no meaningful decline for years, it's been an upward curve since 1990.  The only thing that stops the premierships attendances growing is stadium size, practically every prem game is at least 90% full.

Look, countless ways to improve numbers at Sixfields and improve the match day experience have been mooted on here but the club have done very little about it.

It's perfectly obvious that if you charge top dollar for a matchday experience which is poorer than that in the Conference and below then you won't retain fans. If you can't run a simple supporter's bar properly it speaks volumes.

I just hope that they are going to put a lot of effort in when the redevelopment is done.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 08, 2013, 15:19:02 pm
The points been made by many on here over a long period of time. Put simply, the problem is 'lower league football and the lack of an appetite for it within poor/average facilities'. I've got a season ticket...and when I don't use it I cannot give it away. Literally. And I know of a fair few others that have the same problem! Its got nothing to do with money/what we charge/what the food is etc. The fact of the matter is that people do not want to come and watch a crap football team who is struggling to get out of a crap league and which has stagnated over a lengthy period of time due to the ongoing saga with the redevelopment. Proof of this is that our support at Wembley...one of the best stadiums in the world and only an hour/hour and a half away....was around half of what it was back in 1998 when we played there last against Grimsby.

The only way our gates will go up is if the redevelopment kicks off, and extra cash is chucked towards the team. Theres loads of examples where this has worked well, Rotherham, Donny, Hull, Brighton, Cardiff, Swansea being just a few. Of course when it doesn't work is when a club has a great new facility and it cannot produce the right product on the pitch. The time to go for broke (I don't mean that literally) is shortly after when the bull dozers move in. So basically next Summer. Then when we get a couple of big gates when its finished (which we will do) those punters will remain for a period of time afterwards.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Elad on October 08, 2013, 16:34:26 pm
Sorry, there has to be a balance between good football and an attractive product off the pitch. To suggest that the match day experience, communication with fans and strengthening their loyalty for commercial benefit isn't important is very short sighted.

The chairman has already commented on the difference between turnover and wage expenditure and that is no doubt because the club has only bog standard provision to encourage both business customers and standard fans to spend their hard earned.

It is no good for us as fans and no good for the club.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on October 08, 2013, 16:35:36 pm

Proof of this is that our support at Wembley...one of the best stadiums in the world and only an hour/hour and a half away....was around half of what it was back in 1998 when we played there last against Grimsby.


I think that there were loads of factors behind that. The football was uninspiring for most of last season. The cost and personal circumstances for many would have been totally different in 2013. Many would now think twice about paying a couple of hundred quid for a family day out, even if they could afford it in the first place. Single guys would probably rather save £80, or spend some of it watching in the local with their mates. The new Wembley doesn't have the draw of the old one, when most have probably seen a game or concert there already, plus seen the Cobblers in the old one. They practically give tickets away for the England games already. The local media wasn't there (specifically the daily Chron) to push it. Without trying to get there and the hysteria with the trains.

The club have had a rough ride IMO over some elements of the 'matchday experience'. The corporate days are renowned for being top notch and I've hardly ever heard a word against them. They do a kids club over at the East Stand. They also do loads in the community. Even the ticketing has improved recently. For me there are three things to focus on...the cr*p catering on the concourse, the club shop needs looking at and thirdly (and most importantly) the entertainment on the pitch.
I'm sure the initial redevelopment will see an immediate uplift in attendances. However, it won't be sustained unless the results and atmosphere are positive and people feel that they are getting VFM. Even with the points made, they have priced me out in terms of justifying paying football prices, for what I know I am getting in return. Over 1000 games as a Cobblers attendee gives me a pretty good idea of what that is!
 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 08, 2013, 18:14:49 pm
I wouldn't mind betting that if prices for the next home game were set a a fiver entry no questions asked that the attendance wouldn't be in excess of 5.5k...so the club would lose a huge chunk of cash. When they do have offers it makes little difference. The support has become too apathetic.

You've also got to factor in that having these offers will reduce season ticket sales, for
Very obvious reasons.

Elad...I agree that the match day experience is a factor. But nobody I know doesn't go because of it, it's all down to the product on the field. Take Diamonds as an example. They had an amazing facility, great football food, lovely bar etc. They still had all of that after Griggs pulled the plug but the punters were no longer interested because the team was in decline. I'm sorry but the two only work together. It's well documented that if the team was better funded that the club couldn't generate the additional revenue to support it, even with an extra 2k of people coming in to watch it every home match. It cannot be self sustainable at Sixfields in its current limitations (capacity and corporate) beyond top league2/bottom league1 level. And to be fair DC is funding it too that level even if our league position doesn't seem like he is.

2000 people times 12quid each (I'm excluding vat and basing it on some concessions) equals 24k. Times that by 23, you've got circa 500k of revenue. Add that to the wage bill and we would be on level leggings with teams like Brentford. If it goes wrong like it has before a shed load of money is lost.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on October 08, 2013, 18:44:38 pm
Many of the clubs languishing in the conference or below had a great community feel and (football aside) the match day experience was a delight - always a pleasure to visit the Shay for example but the simple answer is fans pay their money for the product, the other match day experience is a bonus but does not retain bums on seats - winning does (and not even winning pretty)  - Elad you clearly has a sustained agenda of criticism against the chairman for not improving your match day experience but you are wrong - s*** overpriced food, car parks that take a hour to get out of, toilets leaking piss on your sandles and a PA system you can't hear would all be rewarded with a full house for every game if we were top of league 1 winning every game - blame the chairman by all means for his choice of managers but the match day experience is made or broken by football results.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Whitedogdo on October 09, 2013, 07:29:05 am
The points been made by many on here over a long period of time. Put simply, the problem is 'lower league football and the lack of an appetite for it within poor/average facilities'. I've got a season ticket...and when I don't use it I cannot give it away. Literally. And I know of a fair few others that have the same problem! Its got nothing to do with money/what we charge/what the food is etc. The fact of the matter is that people do not want to come and watch a crap football team who is struggling to get out of a crap league and which has stagnated over a lengthy period of time due to the ongoing saga with the redevelopment. Proof of this is that our support at Wembley...one of the best stadiums in the world and only an hour/hour and a half away....was around half of what it was back in 1998 when we played there last against Grimsby.

The only way our gates will go up is if the redevelopment kicks off, and extra cash is chucked towards the team. Theres loads of examples where this has worked well, Rotherham, Donny, Hull, Brighton, Cardiff, Swansea being just a few. Of course when it doesn't work is when a club has a great new facility and it cannot produce the right product on the pitch. The time to go for broke (I don't mean that literally) is shortly after when the bull dozers move in. So basically next Summer. Then when we get a couple of big gates when its finished (which we will do) those punters will remain for a period of time afterwards.
nail on head fella


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Welly Cobb on October 09, 2013, 11:07:53 am
If you chuck enough money at something, you might get a few thousand fans in for a few years. But money is not infinite, it will dry up eventually, and it'll only take a few years for the fans to all fall away again and wreck the football club in the mean time.

The Premiership killed the football league. The Premiership offers a superior product with international standard players, at a much lower-discounted supporter cost through the availability of 24/7 coverage, around-the-clock news updats and television and radio coverage every other week. How many Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, United and Liverpool fans are there in Northampton? I bet each of the five teams individually has more supporters than Northampton Town FC itself. The football league team's aspirations died in the early 90s. The Premiership's TV rights are an insumountable obstacle.

There will always be local teams because they'll always be enough local patriotism to support it. We don't have much, but if you go for a broke you run the great risk of losing even that, all for a possible short-term stay in the sun.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 21, 2013, 12:13:19 pm
Updated:

Newport - 3775
Torquay - 3836
Scunny  - 3726
Exeter   - 3778
Morec    - 3748
D&R       - 3866



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on October 21, 2013, 12:32:13 pm
If the crowds continue to increase the lower our league position is we may be able to fill out the 10,000 seater stadium quicker than expected.
That is assuming that we will be playing alfreton town in our first home game. ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 29, 2013, 08:45:20 am
Updated again:

Newport - 3775
Torquay - 3836
Scunny  - 3726
Exeter   - 3778
Morec    - 3748
D&R       - 3866
Chelts    - 3721


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: cobblersareus on October 29, 2013, 11:28:33 am
The trend seems to be that there is an increase depending on if the game is winnable.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on October 29, 2013, 11:37:08 am
Is any game currently winnable?

Bishops stortford away??


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on October 29, 2013, 11:42:21 am
The trend seems to be that there is an increase depending on if the game is winnable.

If we have a 50/50 chance of survival then the attendances H&A will increase as it has in previous years. You only have to remember the 0-1 victory against Burton couple of years ago - now that was top fanatical support.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: lift tower on October 29, 2013, 23:09:06 pm
If you chuck enough money at something, you might get a few thousand fans in for a few years. But money is not infinite, it will dry up eventually, and it'll only take a few years for the fans to all fall away again and wreck the football club in the mean time.

The Premiership killed the football league. The Premiership offers a superior product with international standard players, at a much lower-discounted supporter cost through the availability of 24/7 coverage, around-the-clock news updats and television and radio coverage every other week. How many Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, United and Liverpool fans are there in Northampton? I bet each of the five teams individually has more supporters than Northampton Town FC itself. The football league team's aspirations died in the early 90s. The Premiership's TV rights are an insumountable obstacle.

There will always be local teams because they'll always be enough local patriotism to support it. We don't have much, but if you go for a broke you run the great risk of losing even that, all for a possible short-term stay in the sun.
Well done ignoring all those football league teams that have invested money in their squads/set ups since the early 90s that have had lengthy spells in the prem.
And as for all the prem team supporters in the town, a lot of them see the Cobblers as their second or even first team depending on how well we are doing. As others have said, it all comes down to how well we are doing.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 30, 2013, 12:35:29 pm
Updated again:

Newport - 3775
Torquay - 3836
Scunny  - 3726
Exeter   - 3778
Morec    - 3748
D&R       - 3866
Chelts    - 3721


2012/13

Rotherham 3545
Southend 4106
Wimbledon 3797
Chesterfield  4095
Gillingham  3260
Exeter      4237
Bradford    3277                  2013/14 total 26450        2012/13 total 26317


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 16, 2013, 19:50:53 pm
Updated again:
Newport - 3775
Torquay - 3836
Scunny  - 3726
Exeter   - 3778
Morec    - 3748
D&R       - 3866
Chelts    - 3721
CodArmy - 3932


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: SteveRiches on November 16, 2013, 21:56:54 pm
Look, countless ways to improve numbers at Sixfields and improve the match day experience have been mooted on here but the club have done very little about it.

It's perfectly obvious that if you charge top dollar for a matchday experience which is poorer than that in the Conference and below then you won't retain fans. If you can't run a simple supporter's bar properly it speaks volumes.

I just hope that they are going to put a lot of effort in when the redevelopment is done.

Actually the club has done very well with its various schemes to keep up the numbers at an extremely difficult time. You're right about the bar, mind you!
More of the fight and purpose we saw on the field of play today and people WILL come back.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 30, 2013, 15:38:56 pm
Updated again:
Newport - 3775
Torquay - 3836
Scunny  - 3726
Exeter   - 3778
Morec    - 3748
D&R       - 3866
Chelts    - 3721
CodArmy - 3932
Accie       - 3996


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 28, 2013, 12:10:57 pm
Updated again:
Newport  - 3775
Torquay  - 3836
Scunny   - 3726
Exeter     - 3778
Morec     - 3748
D&R        - 3866
Chelts     - 3721
CodArmy  - 3932
Accie       - 3996
Wycombe - 3914


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on December 28, 2013, 22:31:15 pm
Updated again:
Newport  - 3775
Torquay  - 3836
Scunny   - 3726
Exeter     - 3778
Morec     - 3748
D&R        - 3866
Chelts     - 3721
CodArmy  - 3932
Accie       - 3996
Wycombe - 3914

Not bad considering attendances tend to dive a bit in the run up to Christmas.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on January 09, 2014, 03:56:52 am
The attendance this week post Boothroyd will be interesting.
Did his dour style stifle numbers or are we down to the bare bones of the loyal home support?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on January 09, 2014, 04:29:57 am
Well I'll certainly be there but I was going to the Chesterfield game. Had a bit more entertainment in the last 2 games than a season under Aidy


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on January 09, 2014, 17:09:49 pm
I'm also going to put myself about, on nights so will have to go without some sleep. I wouldn't have done that for Boothroyd!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 09, 2014, 18:40:09 pm
I'm even going to be there for kick off, something not managed since Dagenham in mid October.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on January 11, 2014, 16:54:11 pm
Highest crowd of the season, both in total and in home support. Shame about the result.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Luton Cobbler on January 11, 2014, 17:06:52 pm
To the moron who chose to stand in front of and abuse DC when the second goal went in - please don't bother coming back again. The Club doesn't need you


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 11, 2014, 17:11:05 pm
You should have told him then, not now.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Welly Cobb on January 11, 2014, 17:17:10 pm
Who were the oddballs behind the dug-out who stood up to (sarcastically?) applaud when York scored? Are they the same ones?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on January 11, 2014, 17:18:23 pm
To the moron who chose to stand in front of and abuse DC when the second goal went in - please don't bother coming back again. The Club doesn't need you
You pay your money.
If the person wants to air an opinion of course their free to do so.
It's called freedom of speech.
DC can't be expecting standing ovations anymore can he?
If the club lose next week they are as good as relegated out of the football league.
I guess he was venting his frustration at the situation and like it or not the buck stops with DC.
Personal abuse is never good and can overstep the mark and I don't condone it but let's face it DC must know he needs a tin hat at sixfields.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 11, 2014, 19:18:28 pm
Updated again:
Newport  - 3775
Torquay  - 3836
Scunny   - 3726
Exeter     - 3778
Morec     - 3748
D&R        - 3866
Chelts     - 3721
CodArmy  - 3932
Accie       - 3996
Wycombe - 3914
York        - 3984


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Luton Cobbler on January 11, 2014, 19:23:58 pm
Who were the oddballs behind the dug-out who stood up to (sarcastically?) applaud when York scored? Are they the same ones?

Yep, one of them then walked out giving DC a piece of his mind en-route


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 11, 2014, 20:27:53 pm
Yep, one of them then walked out giving DC a piece of his mind en-route

Surprised he had some to give...   :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 26, 2014, 09:53:42 am
Updated again:
Newport  - 3775
Torquay  - 3836
Scunny   - 3726
Exeter     - 3778
Morec     - 3748
D&R        - 3866
Chelts     - 3721
CodArmy  - 3932
Accie       - 3996
Wycombe - 3914
York        - 3984
Spirites    - 4149

Despite the turmoil, our highest home crowd of the season so far!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 26, 2014, 09:56:14 am
To be followed three days later by the lowest?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: A view from the east on January 26, 2014, 10:05:29 am
To be followed three days later by the lowest?
Hopefully none ...... as its off.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 08, 2014, 20:46:06 pm
Updated again:
Newport  - 3775
Torquay  - 3836
Scunny   - 3726
Exeter     - 3778
Morec     - 3748
D&R        - 3866
Chelts     - 3721
CodArmy  - 3932
Accie       - 3996
Wycombe - 3914
York        - 3984
Spirites    - 4149
Plymouth  - 4079


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 09, 2014, 07:22:13 am
So a new manager and 6 new players...and the crowd actually went down!

It's clear that the outside of the fan base has totally lost interest...the sooner this season ends the better!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Whytewell on February 09, 2014, 08:37:35 am


Amazing travelling support though, given the weather down their way


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on February 09, 2014, 09:09:36 am

It's clear that the outside of the fan base has totally lost interest...the sooner this season ends the better!


Amen to that. Although we've only got the disappointment of the World Cup to look forward to after.
At least we may win a few games next season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 09, 2014, 15:14:06 pm
So a new manager and 6 new players...and the crowd actually went down!

It's clear that the outside of the fan base has totally lost interest...the sooner this season ends the better!
when the difference is as minimal as 70 people i wouldnt reads too much into it. when its 2 or 300 then its a difference case


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: cricketside on February 09, 2014, 15:18:36 pm
That was Drilling Cobbler's idea of a joke. (I hope!)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 09, 2014, 15:28:05 pm
diffcult to tell sometimes


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 09, 2014, 15:30:44 pm

Amazing travelling support though, given the weather down their way


I suspect only about 30% of that away crowd live in Devon/Cornwall. Same with teams like Carlisle, loads of fans in the South East and Midlands.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest48 on February 09, 2014, 18:35:54 pm
I suspect only about 30% of that away crowd live in Devon/Cornwall. Same with teams like Carlisle, loads of fans in the South East and Midlands.
Apparently there were loads of Plymouth fans at the station , so they clearly hadn't come from Devon or Plymouth  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 09, 2014, 18:44:59 pm
when the difference is as minimal as 70 people i wouldnt reads too much into it. when its 2 or 300 then its a difference case

Wasn't a joke! Just making the point that even with a  new boss and some exciting new players making their debuts, the floating fan stayed at home and it was only the die bards who turned up as per...

What it proves is that people will only turn up and see a winning team, regardless of other factors.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tcobb on February 09, 2014, 19:18:24 pm
People might turn up for a winning team, why should a team bottom of the Football League expect more than 4,000 fans ? Get winning, you might get more, I doubt it really as we will still be down the bottom half at best.
 Sorry Drilling but expecting more people to turn up just to see a few new players is a bit optimistic.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on February 09, 2014, 19:58:18 pm
Wasn't a joke! Just making the point that even with a  new boss and some exciting new players making their debuts, the floating fan stayed at home and it was only the die bards who turned up as per...

What it proves is that people will only turn up and see a winning team, regardless of other factors.
The club has failed to sell itself yet again, they give a presser to the chron and that is the grand sum of the sales pitch.

Adverts in local press, radio and other sources just doesn't exist under the current regime. Jack shiite decent promotional pushes that you see at other clubs.

We're a town full of plastic man u, Liverpool  chelsea spurs arsenal etc because we cant sell ourself.

Succesful playing sides are always popular, but like nearly every other Cobblers fan on here might agree the Cobblers were shiite when we first stood on the terrace but was hooked by the sheer theatre of professional football that made us desperate to return every week, this is being denied to 1000s of kids due to the clubs lack of sales initiatives.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 09, 2014, 21:11:24 pm
Could've been that the floaters had made other arrangements not expecting the match to be on?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on February 10, 2014, 01:07:55 am
Wasn't a joke! Just making the point that even with a  new boss and some exciting new players making their debuts, the floating fan stayed at home and it was only the die bards who turned up as per...

What it proves is that people will only turn up and see a winning team, regardless of other factors.

Dead Poets?

Love it.  ;D

I'll be looking for John Keats in the North Stand against Hartlepool.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 23, 2014, 14:05:20 pm
Updated again:
Aug - Newport   - 3775
Aug - Torquay   - 3836
Sep - Scunny    - 3726
Sep - Exeter      - 3778
Sep - Morec      - 3748
Oct - D&R         - 3866
Oct - Chelts      - 3721
Nov - CodArmy   - 3932
Nov - Accie       - 3996
Dec - Wycombe  - 3914
Jan - York          - 3984
Jan - Spirites      - 4149
Feb - Plymouth   - 4079
Feb - M/Hangers - 3815


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on February 23, 2014, 15:03:32 pm
9th highest out of 15 home matches?

That's disappointing.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 23, 2014, 15:25:26 pm
9th highest out of 15 home matches?

That's disappointing.

Agree and will probably be less again for the mid-week match.
Another win on Tuesday will probably see an increase in the home support significantly for next Saturday and the remainder of the season?

Here's hoping...  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 23, 2014, 15:36:05 pm
This a drop you can ask questions about, unlike the drop of 30 or so the other week. Still a week to go until most people payday might be a reason?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: County Cobbler on February 23, 2014, 15:36:32 pm
WHAT PROBLEM?

The club is in the lowest position in the clubs history YET yesterday we had the highest number of home fans in League 2! Brilliant resilient support from Cobblers fans! Better than Walsall, Stevenage, Oldham, Colchester and Carlisle in League ONE.

Plus I'm confident it will improve in future weeks.

I suppose this message will be deleted after complaints from the Jonah's on the messageboard for being too positive!

Come on the Cobblers!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 23, 2014, 15:37:25 pm
I wonder if crowds tend to have noticeable dips towards the end of the month and peaks at the start?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 23, 2014, 15:38:21 pm
Not as many kids in the East Stand maybe due to it being half-term so the school / group offers maybe not taken. It will drop by 500 or so on Tuesday night.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 23, 2014, 15:39:10 pm
WHAT PROBLEM?

The club is in the lowest position in the clubs history YET yesterday we had the highest number of home fans in League 2! Brilliant resilient support from Cobblers fans! Better than Walsall, Stevenage, Oldham, Colchester and Carlisle in League ONE.

Plus I'm confident it will improve in future weeks.

I suppose this message will be deleted after complaints from the Jonah's on the messageboard for being too positive!

Come on the Cobblers!
there was a drop of 200. That's a problem. Doesn't matter how many more there was than anywhere else, we need to hit certain attendances as that is what OUR budget is set against


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: County Cobbler on February 23, 2014, 15:48:36 pm
there was a drop of 200. That's a problem. Doesn't matter how many more there was than anywhere else, we need to hit certain attendances as that is what OUR budget is set against
Marquis you are a panic merchant!
Keep your bottle for a few weeks and our attendances will improve. The crowds have held up well and praise should be heaped on the fans for staying loyal!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: wiseman on February 23, 2014, 16:01:50 pm
Marquis you are a panic merchant!
Keep your bottle for a few weeks and our attendances will improve. The crowds have held up well and praise should be heaped on the fans for staying loyal!
  100% agree.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 23, 2014, 16:05:12 pm
Marquis you are a panic merchant!
Keep your bottle for a few weeks and our attendances will improve. The crowds have held up well and praise should be heaped on the fans for staying loyal!
you might not be bothered but if my takings were £4000 down one week I'd want to know how I can get it back the next week


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on February 23, 2014, 17:04:44 pm
you might not be bothered but if my takings were £4000 down one week I'd want to know how I can get it back the next week

Not a difficult one to answer!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on February 23, 2014, 19:35:28 pm
Not a difficult one to answer!

Exactly, and it's nothing to do with the most cringing expression 'The Match Day Experience'. Every time someone writes that a football angel dies.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: cobbler_rob on February 23, 2014, 20:29:05 pm
Oxford fans warned that under Wilder the attendances dropped significantly, looks like he's already having an impact here too!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 23, 2014, 20:50:47 pm
Oxford fans warned that under Wilder the attendances dropped significantly, looks like he's already having an impact here too!

You forgot the smiley....  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on February 23, 2014, 22:30:46 pm
Three home games back to back - people picking games? And half term will definitely have an effect too. Normally service resumed next week (after payday ...)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 25, 2014, 20:59:10 pm
Updated again:
Aug - Newport   - 3775
Aug - Torquay   - 3836
Sep - Scunny    - 3726
Sep - Exeter      - 3778
Sep - Morec      - 3748
Oct - D&R         - 3866
Oct - Chelts      - 3721
Nov - CodArmy   - 3932
Nov - Accie       - 3996
Dec - Wycombe  - 3914
Jan - York          - 3984
Jan - Spirites      - 4149
Feb - Plymouth   - 4079
Feb - M/Hangers - 3815
Feb - Sarfend     - 3469

But a low Tuesday night crowd could have been expected, especially with the ManUre fans watching their CL defeat..  ;D
Saturday's attendance will be more of an indication...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 25, 2014, 22:16:42 pm
No panic on the expected drop in attendance. Tuesday night games always the lowest attended, especially with back to back Saturday home games. There will be in excess of 4000 home fans in on Saturday. I wouldn't be surprised to see a crowd pushing 5000 as Rovers will have a decent turnout.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobblersmad on February 25, 2014, 22:27:38 pm
Can't wait for the extra couple of thousand empty seats to look at next season.  ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on February 25, 2014, 23:34:09 pm
Cardoza is not a sales man and its very obvious he has no wish to promote the NTFC brand to the population of Northants.

He can do what he likes as he's the 'boss' but I personally don't want to hear how much monies he's ploughed in as I could point out how much shiite marketing by him has cost us.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: CobblerForever on February 25, 2014, 23:54:08 pm
The message needs to go out that we are playing football again and have some decent players being allowed to fulfil their potential - Hackett, Connell and Sinclair are all capable of turning it on. Diamond is a real Central Defender (Tony Adams like in his marshalling skills) and we defend like a unit, all of whose members look like they know what they are doing (individually and collectively). Duke is capable of some quality saves as well. Even the central midfield area looks more than competent now.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on February 26, 2014, 06:19:41 am
Sod it, let people stop at home, we all know what happens when we get a big crowd turn up, the team doesn't!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ajp on February 26, 2014, 06:29:22 am
Put an offer on for Saturday I say! We need as many in as possible, BR is bigger than the two we've just played IMO!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tcobb on February 26, 2014, 09:30:05 am
Tuesday crowds are never big, i would expect an attendance of 5,000 on Saturday without any need for offers


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Whitedogdo on February 26, 2014, 20:17:31 pm
I saw a fifty quid for three games offer all over the Internet this week and thirty five for yoof or oap.
Why don't people go for that?

What? You have to work Tuesday nights?
Good god. .. there's a reason for the drop.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 26, 2014, 20:17:50 pm
Can't wait for the extra couple of thousand empty seats to look at next season.  ::)
yeah because it's all about the seats aint it  ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 26, 2014, 20:18:36 pm
I saw a fifty quid for three games offer all over the Internet this week and thirty five for yoof or oap.
Why don't people go for that?

What? You have to work Tuesday nights?
Good god. .. there's a reason for the drop.
but...nobody is moaning about the drop last night?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 02, 2014, 12:45:41 pm
Updated again:
Aug - Newport   - 3775
Aug - Torquay   - 3836
Sep - Scunny    - 3726
Sep - Exeter      - 3778
Sep - Morec      - 3748
Oct - D&R         - 3866
Oct - Chelts      - 3721
Nov - CodArmy   - 3932
Nov - Accie       - 3996
Dec - Wycombe  - 3914
Jan - York          - 3984
Jan - Spirites      - 4149
Feb - Plymouth   - 4079
Feb - M/Hangers - 3815
Feb - Sarfend     - 3469
Mar - The Gas    - 4328


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 02, 2014, 13:42:50 pm
Highest home fans attendance of the season?

Looks like a winning side will start to bring people through the gates, over 500 more than last Saturday.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 02, 2014, 17:42:53 pm
1st. Payday.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 03, 2014, 03:11:28 am
Not mine. Paid four weekly, falls on the 7th this month as it does for the majority in the railway industry.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: southofthecounty on March 03, 2014, 05:59:59 am
1st. Payday.
It may have been the first pay back day for the club's effort in getting some footballers for us to watch?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 03, 2014, 16:57:58 pm
If you read the thread I asked the question do crowds go up and down according to when the game is in relation to payday.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: lift tower on March 03, 2014, 20:12:42 pm
If you read the thread I asked the question do crowds go up and down according to when the game is in relation to payday.
Yeah its going round in circles a bit now. Time to lock the thread.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 03, 2014, 20:26:31 pm
Time to lock the thread.

TBQH - I find the figures submitted quite interesting - there's no real need for others to comment too much on the thread. I am happy for the thread to continue.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: lift tower on March 03, 2014, 20:34:57 pm
TBQH - I find the figures submitted quite interesting - there's no real need for others to comment too much on the thread. I am happy for the thread to continue.
Me too.
Well Deepcut is a moderator so he can lock and unlock it everytime he updates the list and the rest of us can be seen and not heard.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 03, 2014, 21:06:30 pm
Might as well lock every thread after each first post to stop all discussions...  :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: skybluestayaway on March 03, 2014, 21:32:19 pm
There has been a bit of talk in sky blue circles about a rising number of Coventry sixfield crowds turning up wearing saints and cobbler's apparel boosting our crowd's.  There has been suggestions that this could be at the expense of your own home gates. I don't necessarily buy either parts of this myself. There's bound to be some locals turning up but it doesn't mean it's at your expense and I suspect the numbers are exaggerated.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on March 03, 2014, 21:58:42 pm
The Saints are really struggling, only 99% tickets sold for all competitions this season. ;D

As for the cobblers, 5000 on Saturday despite the 13500 down the road isn't to shabby.

220,000 Northamptonians are pretty sports mad so a few must visit when Covhampton are playing.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: lift tower on March 03, 2014, 22:03:43 pm
The Saints are really struggling, only 99% tickets sold for all competitions this season. ;D

As for the cobblers, 5000 on Saturday despite the 13500 down the road isn't to shabby.

220,000 Northamptonians are pretty sports mad so a few must visit when Covhampton are playing.
You see it on here whenever our game gets postponed a fair few are always going on about what game they are off to instead.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TownOwl on March 04, 2014, 12:32:47 pm
I too am interested in this thread. It even has a bit of useful information, that is actually of vital importance to our future as a club.
Hopefully it can be named re-appearing punters from now on though?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 04, 2014, 12:50:53 pm
A total of 62,116 from 16 games gives an average of 3882. 
There are 16 of the division four clubs who would like that as their average attendances let alone home fans only...  8)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: AbingtonAve on March 04, 2014, 14:00:20 pm
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/plans-for-1-000-houses-on-edge-of-northampton-set-to-be-approved-1-5912950 (http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/plans-for-1-000-houses-on-edge-of-northampton-set-to-be-approved-1-5912950)

Potential new fans?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on March 04, 2014, 14:38:41 pm
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/plans-for-1-000-houses-on-edge-of-northampton-set-to-be-approved-1-5912950 (http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/plans-for-1-000-houses-on-edge-of-northampton-set-to-be-approved-1-5912950)

Potential new fans?

I wonder if there are any people who moved to the Upton development and have since become Cobblers fans?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: j20cobbler on March 04, 2014, 15:04:08 pm
I wonder if there are any people who moved to the Upton development and have since become Cobblers fans?
Are there any that have moved there because they are Cobblers fans.
That's a bit like changing your car registration plate to an NTFC inspired one...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 04, 2014, 15:19:09 pm
A total of 62,116 from 16 games gives an average of 3882. 
There are 16 of the division four clubs who would like that as their average attendances let alone home fans only...  8)

Top seven budget, top seven average total attendances...where did/has it all gone wrong... >:D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 15, 2014, 22:29:22 pm
Updated again:
Aug - Newport   - 3775
Aug - Torquay   - 3836
Sep - Scunny    - 3726
Sep - Exeter      - 3778
Sep - Morec      - 3748
Oct - D&R         - 3866
Oct - Chelts      - 3721
Nov - CodArmy   - 3932
Nov - Accie       - 3996
Dec - Wycombe  - 3914
Jan - York          - 3984
Jan - Spirites      - 4149
Feb - Plymouth   - 4079
Feb - M/Hangers - 3815
Feb - Sarfend     - 3469
Mar - The Gas    - 4328
Mar - The Stags  - 4385


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 16, 2014, 10:12:07 am
These last two games are significant increases and have held up, let's hope that it only drops by a marginal amount on Tuesday


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 16, 2014, 10:12:37 am
^^^^ my most boring ever post


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Bath Cobbler on March 16, 2014, 10:36:25 am
Towards the end of season you can't beat a good relegation battle for getting the crowds back in.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 16, 2014, 13:57:14 pm
^^^^ my most boring ever post

 ;D your having a laugh  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 17, 2014, 08:17:38 am
I'd expect a drop to around 3500-3600 Cobblers fans on Tuesday which will be slightly up on the last Tuesday night game. A relegation scrap always beings the punters in even when it becomes the norm!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 18, 2014, 21:55:28 pm
I'd expect a drop to around 3500-3600 Cobblers fans on Tuesday which will be slightly up on the last Tuesday night game. A relegation scrap always beings the punters in even when it becomes the norm!

Updated again:
Aug - Newport   - 3775
Aug - Torquay   - 3836
Sep - Scunny    - 3726
Sep - Exeter      - 3778
Sep - Morec      - 3748
Oct - D&R         - 3866
Oct - Chelts      - 3721
Nov - CodArmy   - 3932
Nov - Accie       - 3996
Dec - Wycombe  - 3914
Jan - York          - 3984
Jan - Spirites      - 4149
Feb - Plymouth   - 4079
Feb - M/Hangers - 3815
Feb - Sarfend     - 3469
Mar - The Gas    - 4328
Mar - The Stags  - 4385
Mar - The Dale    - 3514


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ajp on March 18, 2014, 22:14:39 pm
Anyone know what the lowest league gate ever is? Lose at morecambe sat and we could well see it beaten against the dons!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 18, 2014, 22:40:06 pm
Anyone know what the lowest league gate ever is? Lose at morecambe sat and we could well see it beaten against the dons!!

Lowest league gate ever? 469 Thames v Luton Town (Div 3 S) 1930
Lowest post-war gate? 588 Rochdale v Cambridge (Div 3) 1974
Lowest Cobblers home league gate? 942 v Chester City (Div 4) 1985
Lowest Cobblers home league gate at Sixfields?  3090 v Rochdale (Div 3)  1996


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 25, 2014, 23:36:03 pm
Updated again:
Aug - Newport   - 3775
Aug - Torquay   - 3836
Sep - Scunny    - 3726
Sep - Exeter      - 3778
Sep - Morec      - 3748
Oct - D&R         - 3866
Oct - Chelts      - 3721
Nov - CodArmy   - 3932
Nov - Accie       - 3996
Dec - Wycombe  - 3914
Jan - York          - 3984
Jan - Spirites      - 4149
Feb - Plymouth   - 4079
Feb - M/Hangers - 3815
Feb - Sarfend     - 3469
Mar - The Gas    - 4328
Mar - The Stags  - 4385
Mar - The Dale    - 3514
Mar - The Dons   - 3450

So, a seasons low home gate tonight!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on March 27, 2014, 09:35:41 am
Have our attendances always dropped a lot on Tuesdays? I know it seems like a stupid question but i don't remember it always being like this.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 27, 2014, 09:45:19 am
I would assume it is because of us out of towners or late/shift workers that are not able to make mid-week games?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 29, 2014, 19:29:18 pm
Updated again:
Aug - Newport   - 3775
Aug - Torquay   - 3836
Sep - Scunny    - 3726
Sep - Exeter      - 3778
Sep - Morec      - 3748
Oct - D&R         - 3866
Oct - Chelts      - 3721
Nov - CodArmy   - 3932
Nov - Accie       - 3996
Dec - Wycombe  - 3914
Jan - York          - 3984
Jan - Spirites      - 4149
Feb - Plymouth   - 4079
Feb - M/Hangers - 3815
Feb - Sarfend     - 3469
Mar - The Gas    - 4328
Mar - The Stags  - 4385
Mar - The Dale    - 3514
Mar - The Dons   - 3450
Mar - The Shakers - 4225


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Brimmy6 on March 29, 2014, 19:31:03 pm
I wonder how many were left by the final whistle.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 22, 2014, 16:15:23 pm
Updated again:
Aug - Newport      - 3775
Aug - Torquay      - 3836
Sep - Scunny       - 3726
Sep - Exeter         - 3778
Sep - Morec         - 3748
Oct - D&R            - 3866
Oct - Chelts         - 3721
Nov - CodArmy      - 3932
Nov - Accie           - 3996
Dec - Wycombe     - 3914
Jan - York             - 3984
Jan - Spirites         - 4149
Feb - Plymouth      - 4079
Feb - M/Hangers    - 3815
Feb - Sarfend        - 3469
Mar - The Gas       - 4328
Mar - The Stags    - 4385
Mar - The Dale      - 3514
Mar - The Dons     - 3450
Mar - The Shakers - 4225
Apr - The Brewers  - 4139
Apr - Pompey        - 5500 (including a few Pompey in the home areas)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 23, 2014, 09:53:49 am
If we can draw in more than 5,420 for our final home game against Oxford, we'll actually have INCREASED overall attendances for all games this season over last! Must be a chance?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 23, 2014, 09:59:41 am
5420 just home fans? Shows the argument that winning football is the only way to increase gates is slightly limited. We are an odd bunch in northants aren't we lol


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 23, 2014, 10:07:42 am
5420 just home fans? Shows the argument that winning football is the only way to increase gates is slightly limited. We are an odd bunch in northants aren't we lol

No. All fans.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 23, 2014, 10:18:48 am
I'd imagine we will have around the 7 k mark there so to have a higher average when we have been in the bottom 2 all season than when in the play offs is quite impressive.
Seeing as you're the resident statto, how many times have we actually been above 7k at sixfields?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 23, 2014, 12:02:32 pm
I see Bristol, Harlepool, Wycombe and Exeter have gone on promotional campaigns to get the punters in, we haven't or ever would but should be at capacity any way.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Gibbo on April 23, 2014, 15:01:45 pm
Just reading through this it's obvious for all to see that we clearly need more capacity.

Why oh why is the Chairman not doing anything about this ?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 23, 2014, 16:52:00 pm
Just reading through this it's obvious for all to see that we clearly need more capacity.

Why oh why is the Chairman not doing anything about this ?
Despite being total sh1te all season there are just 1000 spare seats, just imagine promoting the club properly and a winning side topping league 2 or even league1.. Do you still think we have enough capacity?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 23, 2014, 16:55:32 pm
Just reading through this it's obvious for all to see that we clearly need more capacity.

Why oh why is the Chairman not doing anything about this ?
this same question was asked in Hull, Swansea, Reading, Sunderland, Cardiff. ....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alan Partridge on April 23, 2014, 17:10:17 pm
how many times have we actually been above 7k at sixfields?

33 times in the 523 games played at Sixfields

 1  7557  26/09/98  L    Man City  D2-2
 2  7501  13/05/98  PO  Bristol Rovers  W3-0
 3  7471  27/04/13  L    Barnet  W2-0
 4  7461  15/10/94  L    Barnet  D1-1
 5  7443  25/04/98  L    Fulham  W1-0
 6  7435  08/05/99  L    Burnley  D2-2
 7  7427  20/04/96  L    Gillingham  D1-1
 8  7422  27/10/98  LC  Tottenham  L1-3
 9  7373  22/11/97  L    Watford  L0-1
10  7366  05/11/94  L    Fulham  L0-1
11  7356  25/01/04  FA  Man Utd  L0-3
12  7342  17/11/96  FA  Watford  L0-1
13  7315  28/12/98  L    Fulham  D1-1
14  7302  14/05/97  PO  Cardiff  W3-2
15  7282  20/01/01  L    Peterborough  D0-0
16  7264  01/11/97  L    Bristol Rovers  D1-1
17  7264  04/04/98  L    Burnley  L0-1
18  7260  09/02/08  L    Leeds  D1-1
19  7254  15/09/98  LC  West Ham  W2-0
20  7246  09/09/97  L    Luton  W1-0
21  7244  21/03/08  L    Notts Forest  L1-2
22  7191  18/10/97  L    Gillingham  W2-1
23  7183  08/01/05  FA  Southampton  L1-3
24  7172  12/08/06  L    Notts Forest  L0-1
25  7160  12/04/04  L    Lincoln  D1-1
26  7114  29/04/06  L    Chester  W1-0
27  7107  10/08/04  L    Rushden  W1-0
28  7094  28/12/97  L    Walsall  W3-2
29  7083  22/08/95  LC  West Brom  L2-4
30  7045  10/03/06  L    Carlisle  L0-3
31  7036  04/02/06  L    Rushden  W2-0
32  7028  31/01/09  L    Leicester  L1-2
33  7023  31/12/05  L    Peterborough  L0-1


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 23, 2014, 17:24:43 pm
The happy clappers only want a tin pot team, lets not forget.

They don't want a decent sized ground, big crowds and success.

They wouldn't dare move to a 4 bedroom house because they don't need the spare rooms.

Northants = small town mentality. Its even worse where I live in inbred land (Rushden).

The thought of having a big ground scares some people.

Brought to you in Shoemaker style.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 23, 2014, 18:05:46 pm
33 times in the 523 games played at Sixfields

 1  7557  26/09/98  L    Man City  D2-2
 2  7501  13/05/98  PO  Bristol Rovers  W3-0
 3  7471  27/04/13  L    Barnet  W2-0
 4  7461  15/10/94  L    Barnet  D1-1
 5  7443  25/04/98  L    Fulham  W1-0
 6  7435  08/05/99  L    Burnley  D2-2
 7  7427  20/04/96  L    Gillingham  D1-1
 8  7422  27/10/98  LC  Tottenham  L1-3
 9  7373  22/11/97  L    Watford  L0-1
10  7366  05/11/94  L    Fulham  L0-1
11  7356  25/01/04  FA  Man Utd  L0-3
12  7342  17/11/96  FA  Watford  L0-1
13  7315  28/12/98  L    Fulham  D1-1
14  7302  14/05/97  PO  Cardiff  W3-2
15  7282  20/01/01  L    Peterborough  D0-0
16  7264  01/11/97  L    Bristol Rovers  D1-1
17  7264  04/04/98  L    Burnley  L0-1
18  7260  09/02/08  L    Leeds  D1-1
19  7254  15/09/98  LC  West Ham  W2-0
20  7246  09/09/97  L    Luton  W1-0
21  7244  21/03/08  L    Notts Forest  L1-2
22  7191  18/10/97  L    Gillingham  W2-1
23  7183  08/01/05  FA  Southampton  L1-3
24  7172  12/08/06  L    Notts Forest  L0-1
25  7160  12/04/04  L    Lincoln  D1-1
26  7114  29/04/06  L    Chester  W1-0
27  7107  10/08/04  L    Rushden  W1-0
28  7094  28/12/97  L    Walsall  W3-2
29  7083  22/08/95  LC  West Brom  L2-4
30  7045  10/03/06  L    Carlisle  L0-3
31  7036  04/02/06  L    Rushden  W2-0
32  7028  31/01/09  L    Leicester  L1-2
33  7023  31/12/05  L    Peterborough  L0-1
How did you do that?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 23, 2014, 19:12:06 pm
Unless you have capacity to allow pay on the day, special offers, 2 or 3000 seats for away fans the figures quoted are not a true reflection on what we could expect as a town of 220,000.

It will be interesting to see how this changes when we get our promised development....oh Ive just remembered, its was all bullsh1t, we're not getting the development as promised.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 23, 2014, 20:14:57 pm
That's actually more than I thought it would be. So we are nearly at 2 a season, wouldn't take long to recoup the outlay of increasing the capacity then.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 23, 2014, 20:28:43 pm
"If you build it, they will come"


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on April 23, 2014, 20:47:43 pm
"If you build it, they will come"

Marvo - polite query, doffing cap respectfully; how long will you suffer Bog Papers Tribute or did you write it ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 23, 2014, 21:00:39 pm
Marvo - polite query, doffing cap respectfully; how long will you suffer Bog Papers Tribute or did you write it ;D

Who is Bog paper?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on April 23, 2014, 21:06:21 pm
Who is Bog paper?

 :-X


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: JollyCobbler on April 23, 2014, 21:07:06 pm
Who is Bog paper?

Seriously? :o


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on April 23, 2014, 21:10:02 pm
Seriously? :o

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 23, 2014, 21:25:55 pm
Look at the next 2 home games.

NTFC have effectively turned away revenue from Portsmouth and Oxford supporters, both of whom would have significantly more tickets (and bought more food/drink/programmes etc) had the stadium had capacity.

This is just two examples of missed opportunities to maximise match day revenue.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Gibbo on April 23, 2014, 21:47:25 pm
Hey I've just thought of a team with a nice ground....Coventry.

Couldn't be just sort of swap with them, they obviously don't need the capacity with their home gates and I believe the Ricoh has a casino on site where we could all "speculate to accumulate".

Why oh why hasn't the Chairman thought of this ? Typical small town mentality.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on April 23, 2014, 21:54:37 pm
Look at the next 2 home games.

NTFC have effectively turned away revenue from Portsmouth and Oxford supporters

Don't want to disappoint you, but we've played Portsmouth already. And lost. We only have one more home game left. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on April 23, 2014, 22:57:41 pm
I see Bristol, Harlepool, Wycombe and Exeter have gone on promotional campaigns to get the punters in, we haven't or ever would but should be at capacity any way.

Rovers would pack the Mem to the rafters deal or no deal...infact, they're likely to pack Adams Park to the rafters too!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: cricketside on April 24, 2014, 10:05:51 am
This same question was asked in Hull, Swansea, Reading, Sunderland, Cardiff...
   
Was it really, or are you just being provocative?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 24, 2014, 10:17:19 am
I remember when Wigan were building their new ground Dave whelan said we want to be in the premier league and everyone laughing or dismissing him as a bit deluded. One thing is certain is that they would have not been able to progress up the leagues without the DW.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 10:27:23 am
I remember when Wigan were building their new ground Dave whelan said we want to be in the premier league and everyone laughing or dismissing him as a bit deluded. One thing is certain is that they would have not been able to progress up the leagues without the DW.

The Cobblers got to the top flight playing at the County Ground and Wimbledon managed it at Plough Lane. It was probably the down trodden facilities that actually helped the clubs with the molly-coddled top stars unused to playing at such poor facilities. It's not the ground that gets you promoted (ask Darlington) it's the players on the pitch.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 24, 2014, 11:04:55 am
The county ground is a great example of what a club can achieve as there was available capacity to accommodate the increase in fans that comes with progressing up the leagues. Also the speed of which the rise happened is a great example of why any capacity issues should be addressed now as it will be too late if we ever rise up the leagues again.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 11:28:24 am
The county ground is a great example of what a club can achieve as there was available capacity to accommodate the increase in fans that comes with progressing up the leagues.

Hasn't Cardoza already stated that's there's no problem in increasing capacity at a later date should the necessity arise?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 24, 2014, 11:41:59 am
Yes he has but call me a cynic I have reservations over it actually happening and if it's that straightforward to do why not do it now. After all we've been told since we've been at sixfields that it was designed to expand easily and yet it's never happened.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 11:49:26 am
Yes he has but call me a cynic I have reservations over it actually happening and if it's that straightforward to do why not do it now. After all we've been told since we've been at sixfields that it was designed to expand easily and yet it's never happened.

We've not actually been turning punters away. Cardoza is a business man and if it makes business sense to increase capacity, he'll do so.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: threeinabed on April 24, 2014, 12:01:06 pm
marvo - can you please stop using common sense and logic - these people are trying to upset themselves with ott comments based on nothing.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 24, 2014, 12:44:27 pm
We've not actually been turning punters away. Cardoza is a business man and if it makes business sense to increase capacity, he'll do so.

We are turning people away. Portsmouth and Oxford would have sold several hundred more tickets had capacity been available.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on April 24, 2014, 12:49:45 pm
We are turning people away. Portsmouth and Oxford would have sold several hundred more tickets had capacity been available.

Several thousand in Portsmouth's case.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 24, 2014, 13:04:27 pm
Interesting stats of Wigan's attendances:
Year   Tier(Pos) Capacity  Ave    High
98/99   3(6th)      7290    4250    6.7k
99/00   3(4)        25k      6989   15.5k
00/01   3(6)        25K      6774   10.0k
01/02   3(10)      25k       5771    7.8k
02/03   3(1)        25k      7288   12.7k
03/04   2(7)        25k      9483   20.0k
04/05   2(2)        25k     11563   20.7k
05/06   1(10)      25.2k   20610   25.0k
06/07   1(17)      25.2k   18159   24.7k
07/08   1(14)      25.2k   19046   25.1k
08/09   1(11)      25.2k   18350   22.9k
09/10   1(16)      25.2k   18006   22.1k
10/11   1(16)      25.2k   16812   22.1k
11/12   1(15)      25.2k   18634   22.1k
12/13   1(18)      25.2k   18149   22.3
13/14   2(5)       25.2k    14997   19.2k (so far)




Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on April 24, 2014, 13:06:16 pm
Several thousand in Portsmouth's case.

Razor I think this is an exaggeration - Pompey's average away support is not 4500 if it was it would reflect far more on opponents Home attendances than it has done. Be interesting to note Bury's attendance after Pompey visit.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on April 24, 2014, 13:13:48 pm
Razor I think this is an exaggeration - Pompey's average away support is not 4500 if it was it would reflect far more on opponents Home attendances than it has done. Be interesting to note Bury's attendance after Pompey visit.

It's not an exaggeration. My train from London was packed with Pompey fans some of whom were talking about the trouble they had trying to get hold of tickets. So desperate were they to make the game our club was inundated with Pompey fans trying to buy hospitality packages and mascot packages. They sold out their 1,300 allocation very fast - if we had space there would have been at least 3,000 of them and that's a conservative estimate.

That's 35 thousand quid missed out on (not including increased food and BAR turnover - imagine if we had one of them) from away fans in one game alone.

BUT WE'RE NOT TURNING PEOPLE AWAY... ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 24, 2014, 13:17:39 pm
The majority of them who travelled over the 1,300 WERE in the home areas....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on April 24, 2014, 13:20:15 pm
The majority of them who travelled over the 1,300 WERE in the home areas....

And that's an indication that our away end is big enough how?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 24, 2014, 13:21:30 pm
And that's an indication that our away end is big enough how?

Or that our home area is more than sufficient?  :-*


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on April 24, 2014, 13:31:04 pm
Or that our home area is more than sufficient?  :-*

Adequate for the bottom of League Two ;)

Unfortunately small town thinking from small town people is likely to hold us back again.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 24, 2014, 13:55:10 pm
So for the last 11 years Wigan have been averaging more than the capacity was at their old ground. Looks like they planned for the future quite well.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ryan Amoo 14 on April 24, 2014, 14:16:06 pm
So for the last 11 years Wigan have been averaging more than the capacity was at their old ground. Looks like they planned for the future quite well.

The success of Wigan isn't really an example of good planning. 

However, it is a good example of how far having a philantropic Chairman with a personal fortunate of c. £200,000,000 who happens to be a boyhood supporter of the club can take you.

Do we know any of those?




Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on April 24, 2014, 14:19:30 pm
marvo - can you please stop using common sense and logic - these people are trying to upset themselves with ott comments based on nothing.


↑↑
+++ , I thought so too 8)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 24, 2014, 15:17:21 pm
The success of Wigan isn't really an example of good planning. 

However, it is a good example of how far having a philantropic Chairman with a personal fortunate of c. £200,000,000 who happens to be a boyhood supporter of the club can take you.

Do we know any of those?


How can having an far superior ground which was then followed by extra funding towards the team not be classed as good planning?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Mistical on April 24, 2014, 16:10:44 pm
Rather than spunk £12m on shiny new unneeded seats, let's just buy a temporary corner stand that could be put in the South-East corner and opened for large away followings.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 24, 2014, 16:15:10 pm
Rather than spunk £12m on shiny new unneeded seats, let's just buy a temporary corner stand that could be put in the South-East corner and opened for large away followings.
because of some excuse. There is always some excuse.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 16:54:13 pm
No 1) It's £12 million ENABLING money for the WHOLE project, not just for the ground.

No 2) If it would be so easy to increase capacity and by doing so Cardoza would be guaranteed extra income WHY wouldn't he do it?

No 3) If all this is about just getting more away fans in the ground, fuck 'em. It's embarrassing enough now when a couple of hundred make more noise than our lot put together without building them a stand to hold 3,000.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Gibbo on April 24, 2014, 17:05:34 pm
How can having an far superior ground which was then followed by extra funding towards the team not be classed as good planning?

You might be mixing up planning with spending.

I'm planning to buy a four bedroom house with a conservatory in Rushden, but I need the money first.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: j20cobbler on April 24, 2014, 17:14:08 pm
I've said this before.
We should increase the capacity of the south stand but leave the roof off, killing any atmosphere, and then with the money saved by going topless and by ditching the idea of replacement seats, we increase the capacity of the north stand.
That would work, wouldn't it...?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: A view from the east on April 24, 2014, 17:39:30 pm

I'm planning to buy a four bedroom house with a conservatory in Rushden
On purpose ??


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: lodgeadam on April 24, 2014, 17:50:18 pm
I'm planning to buy a four bedroom house with a conservatory in Rushden.

No one plans this!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 24, 2014, 17:57:34 pm
Marvo and a few others have got their wish, Sixfields stays on par with Accrington Morecambe and Dagenham as the football leagues smallest grounds.
Its probably for better to get relegated the frig out the league as we're just taking a progressive clubs place.

Non league we'll always be non league  ;D



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 24, 2014, 20:21:48 pm
You might be mixing up planning with spending.

I'm planning to buy a four bedroom house with a conservatory in Rushden, but I need the money first.

So is 12 million not enough money for us then? Your argument would only work if we didn't have the funding in place.

On the house analogy though, if you had 300k to buy a four bedroom house with a conservatory but the estate agent got it wrong and you ended up with a two bed with no conservatory but still had to pay the same price, would you accept it?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 24, 2014, 20:27:15 pm
So is 12 million not enough money for us then? Your argument would only work if we didn't have the funding in place.

On the house analogy though, if you had 300k to buy a four bedroom house with a conservatory but the estate agent got it wrong and you ended up with a two bed with no conservatory but still had to pay the same price, would you accept it?

Not a very good analogy


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 20:44:53 pm
So is 12 million not enough money for us then? Your argument would only work if we didn't have the funding in place.

On the house analogy though, if you had 300k to buy a four bedroom house with a conservatory but the estate agent got it wrong and you ended up with a two bed with no conservatory but still had to pay the same price, would you accept it?

So on your analogy, if a couple were going to get four wooden chairs for their living room but then found a way instead of getting a comfy three-seater settee, they'd be worse off because of one less seat?

This is getting dafter by the minute.

Cardoza has said that he has found a way to improve on the original plans, albeit with a slightly decreased capacity. Now if you don't believe the answers to the question I would respectively suggest it's pretty pointless asking the questions in the first place!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: betamax toploader on April 24, 2014, 21:09:23 pm
Cardoza has said that he has found a way to improve on the original plans,
That is what I want to see proof of.
And until that moment, then I will remain sceptical.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 24, 2014, 21:33:38 pm
So on your analogy, if a couple were going to get four wooden chairs for their living room but then found a way instead of getting a comfy three-seater settee, they'd be worse off because of one less seat?

This is getting dafter by the minute.

Cardoza has said that he has found a way to improve on the original plans, albeit with a slightly decreased capacity. Now if you don't believe the answers to the question I would respectively suggest it's pretty pointless asking the questions in the first place!
None of this makes any sense..So while 3 people sit on a comfy sofa, 1 now has to stand? And who's to say Cardoza will let you sit on his cozy sofa in his nice new box?  ;D

Cardoza promised to deliver a 10k capacity stadium as per artist drawing, but has failed to do so in order to build himself a box upon high in the west... 2000 seats sacrificed for a box! This is from the horses mouth...Its this you should believe ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Gibbo on April 24, 2014, 21:35:55 pm
But it's a couple, who is standing up ?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 24, 2014, 21:50:28 pm
But it's a couple, who is standing up ?
they went to buy 4 chairs...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 22:07:45 pm
But it's a couple, who is standing up ?

See Gibbo, you're right. People don't read what you've written, they just turn it into something they want to see. As if anybody buys only enough chairs for the people residing in the house.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 24, 2014, 22:13:57 pm
But if they only buy enough chairs for themselves then if they have a big party there is nowhere for their extra once in a year guests to sit :)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 22:50:07 pm
But if they only buy enough chairs for themselves then if they have a big party there is nowhere for their extra once in a year guests to sit :)

But they didn't buy just enough chairs for themselves, they brought a three-seater.

As for the once in a year party, beg, steal or borrow chairs. Do you not remember the seats on the lorry we used to have at the County Ground?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 24, 2014, 22:58:07 pm
If it was that easy to beg borrow or steal seats now I'm sure we'd have see them used last Monday.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on April 25, 2014, 05:46:51 am
But they didn't buy just enough chairs for themselves, they brought a three-seater.

As for the once in a year party, beg, steal or borrow chairs. Do you not remember the seats on the lorry we used to have at the County Ground?
couldn't we stick the Directors box on a lorry trailer and build the ground as promised.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Semilong Old Boy on April 25, 2014, 07:03:16 am
couldn't we stick the Directors box on a lorry trailer and build the ground as promised.

Sod the seats on a lorry, give them some duckboards they will do to stand on in the corner, the ones from the cricket side of the Count Ground must still be laying around somewhere ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 25, 2014, 07:26:11 am
If it was that easy to beg borrow or steal seats now I'm sure we'd have see them used last Monday.

For Christ sake, it's not YOUR money being lost, it's the clubs meaning it's Cardoza's and if he doesn't see the benefit of raising the capacity then that's up to him, it's his loss. As for your desire to see the ground over run by Pompey fans, well, it takes all sorts.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 25, 2014, 10:14:58 am
Didn't realise the council loan was actually his money.
All I have said is I would like more ambition in the stadium plans, I'm not suggesting we do a Darlington and have a ridiculously large stadium but a few hundred extra seats seems short sighted.
You're happy with what's happening, fair enough.
You're happy with going to the conference, and to use your words, it takes all sorts.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on April 25, 2014, 11:39:30 am
I'm not happy but I am realistic. Nobody has died, it's not the end of the world and I'll still be at Sixfields next season watching the Cobblers whichever league we're in.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 25, 2014, 14:48:45 pm
Wasn't aware I was being unrealistic in hopes for the future regarding some ambition and hopefully some on the pitch progress.
We both have different hopes and aims and would do things differently if we had any say but that doesn't make either one of us right.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alan Partridge on May 03, 2014, 21:46:44 pm
34 times in the 524 games played at Sixfields

 1  7557  26/09/98  L    Man City  D2-2
 2  7529  03/05/14  L    Oxford  W3-1
 3  7501  13/05/98  PO  Bristol Rovers  W3-0
 4  7471  27/04/13  L    Barnet  W2-0
 5  7461  15/10/94  L    Barnet  D1-1
 6  7443  25/04/98  L    Fulham  W1-0
 7  7435  08/05/99  L    Burnley  D2-2
 8  7427  20/04/96  L    Gillingham  D1-1
 9  7422  27/10/98  LC  Tottenham  L1-3
10  7373  22/11/97  L    Watford  L0-1
11  7366  05/11/94  L    Fulham  L0-1
12  7356  25/01/04  FA  Man Utd  L0-3
13  7342  17/11/96  FA  Watford  L0-1
14  7315  28/12/98  L    Fulham  D1-1
15  7302  14/05/97  PO  Cardiff  W3-2
16  7282  20/01/01  L    Peterborough  D0-0
17  7264  01/11/97  L    Bristol Rovers  D1-1
18  7264  04/04/98  L    Burnley  L0-1
19  7260  09/02/08  L    Leeds  D1-1
20  7254  15/09/98  LC  West Ham  W2-0
21  7246  09/09/97  L    Luton  W1-0
22  7244  21/03/08  L    Notts Forest  L1-2
23  7191  18/10/97  L    Gillingham  W2-1
24  7183  08/01/05  FA  Southampton  L1-3
25  7172  12/08/06  L    Notts Forest  L0-1
26  7160  12/04/04  L    Lincoln  D1-1
27  7114  29/04/06  L    Chester  W1-0
28  7107  10/08/04  L    Rushden  W1-0
29  7094  28/12/97  L    Walsall  W3-2
30  7083  22/08/95  LC  West Brom  L2-4
31  7045  10/03/06  L    Carlisle  L0-3
32  7036  04/02/06  L    Rushden  W2-0
33  7028  31/01/09  L    Leicester  L1-2
34  7023  31/12/05  L    Peterborough  L0-1

7000 + crowds updated with todays game. No defeat in the top 8 now. :afro And some say we don't perform in front of big crowds! ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on May 04, 2014, 04:52:59 am
Second time in three years our highest gate of the season was against Oxford in a league game.

We also INCREASED our average gate on the season by 88.

21st or 6th, it doesn't matter when you're a Cobbler.  :)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 04, 2014, 09:40:50 am
Updated again for the final time:
Aug - Newport      - 3775
Aug - Torquay      - 3836
Sep - Scunny       - 3726
Sep - Exeter         - 3778
Sep - Morec         - 3748
Oct - D&R            - 3866
Oct - Chelts         - 3721
Nov - CodArmy      - 3932
Nov - Accie           - 3996
Dec - Wycombe     - 3914
Jan - York             - 3984
Jan - Spirites         - 4149
Feb - Plymouth      - 4079
Feb - M/Hangers    - 3815
Feb - Sarfend        - 3469
Mar - The Gas       - 4328
Mar - The Stags    - 4385
Mar - The Dale      - 3514
Mar - The Dons     - 3450
Mar - The Shakers - 4225
Apr - The Brewers  - 4139
Apr - Pompey        - 5500 (including a few Pompey in the home areas)
May - Oxford         - 6171

Seasons Home Fans Stats from the 23 league games:
Total:      93,500
Average:   4,065


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Adam-NTFC on May 04, 2014, 13:43:15 pm
What about the 20 or so who sat on the hill  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on May 04, 2014, 15:14:23 pm
I have to say that I think the total attendance is more accurate for comparison purposes because there is no way you can guarantee that all the supporters in "home" ends are actually "home" supporters. Plenty of away fans in the West Stand, plus day trippers, plus friends who you talk into coming for the odd game but can hardly be described as home fans.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 04, 2014, 17:06:51 pm
I have to say that I think the total attendance is more accurate for comparison purposes because there is no way you can guarantee that all the supporters in "home" ends are actually "home" supporters. Plenty of away fans in the West Stand, plus day trippers, plus friends who you talk into coming for the odd game but can hardly be described as home fans.

 ???
Total attendances are dependent on the teams that we are playing and their away support which will vary from season to season!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on May 04, 2014, 17:23:10 pm
I'm afraid Deepcut that if you look through the record books, Frank Grandes for example, there's no home attendances listed for you to compare to.

Away fans may differ to agree dependent on a bigger club being present in the division but I think a comparison between attendances in the same division are fair and relevant. Just my opinion of course.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on May 04, 2014, 17:30:28 pm
I would also add that if you played the same opponent one year after another and the first time they were near the top chasing promotion and the next nearer the bottom, the amount traveling would differ substantially. Same as you play a distant club on a Tuesday night instead of a Saturday. Weather can also play a part, also rival entertainment being on offer. all these things would vary each season but the overall total is likely to remain pretty constant, at least that's what the figures would indicate.

Lat 5 seasons in league 2 (inc Cups)
2013/4 = 4,504
2012/3 = 4,416
2011/2 = 4,769
2010/1 = 4,514
2009/10 = 4,242


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 04, 2014, 17:44:30 pm
 ;D ;D ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 04, 2014, 22:05:17 pm
Official home league match attendances (including away supporters):
Total:                 104,607
Average:                4,548
Away Fan Average:    483


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 13, 2014, 19:12:41 pm
2013/14 Season:
Aug - Newport      - 3775
Aug - Torquay      - 3836
Sep - Scunny       - 3726
Sep - Exeter         - 3778
Sep - Morec         - 3748
Oct - D&R            - 3866
Oct - Chelts         - 3721
Nov - CodArmy      - 3932
Nov - Accie           - 3996
Dec - Wycombe     - 3914
Jan - York             - 3984
Jan - Spirites         - 4149
Feb - Plymouth      - 4079
Feb - M/Hangers    - 3815
Feb - Sarfend        - 3469
Mar - The Gas       - 4328
Mar - The Stags    - 4385
Mar - The Dale      - 3514
Mar - The Dons     - 3450
Mar - The Shakers - 4225
Apr - The Brewers  - 4139
Apr - Pompey        - 5500 (including a few Pompey in the home areas)
May - Oxford         - 6171

Seasons Home Fans Stats from the 23 league games:
Total:      93,500
Average:   4,065

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags  - 4302


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on August 13, 2014, 19:18:23 pm
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags  - 4302
With the East stand out of action, I make it 4650 available home seats. Just 300 odd shy of capacity on Saturday.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on August 13, 2014, 20:25:15 pm
A couple more results like we've had and I can see lots of disappointed punters  ::)
Dave always delivers


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alwaysdark on August 14, 2014, 11:16:52 am
A couple more results like we've had and I can see lots of disappointed punters  ::)
Dave always delivers

Some of us like to be disappointed  :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 30, 2014, 06:26:21 am
Updated:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags    - 4302
Aug - The Shrews - 3927


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on August 30, 2014, 06:36:30 am
Some of us like to be disappointed  :P

Some of us expect it  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Whitedogdo on August 30, 2014, 18:11:53 pm
Can't believe the disappearing punters.....
17000 fewer fans at MK Mongs today than on Tuesday.

Why did Wankieman waste so much money building such a massive stadium?
😂😂😂😂
Or does the argument get twisted again lol


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on August 30, 2014, 18:21:11 pm
perhaps they dont need it every week but when they do need it, its there. you dont need the spare tyre in your car every week do you? but i bet you're glad you've got it for when it is needed


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on August 30, 2014, 18:22:24 pm
I just ring the AA.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on August 30, 2014, 18:24:24 pm
call yourself a man?!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 30, 2014, 18:24:38 pm
perhaps they dont need it every week but when they do need it, its there. you dont need the spare tyre in your car every week do you? but i bet you're glad you've got it for when it is needed

Condoms...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on August 30, 2014, 18:50:55 pm
call yourself a man?!


I call myself lazy.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: betamax toploader on August 30, 2014, 19:00:55 pm
I just ring the AA.
To change a wheel??


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on August 30, 2014, 19:15:13 pm
I've got to side with Duncanspeddingsleftfoot here, I also call for the AA when I get a puncture. Mind you, I haven't a spare, just one of those emergency foam kits and I just can't be arsed with it. (ruins the tyre)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on August 30, 2014, 20:04:35 pm
call yourself a man?!

Interrobang‽


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: betamax toploader on August 30, 2014, 20:07:02 pm
I've got to side with Duncanspeddingsleftfoot here, I also call for the AA when I get a puncture. Mind you, I haven't a spare, just one of those emergency foam kits and I just can't be arsed with it. (ruins the tyre)
Get yourself a spare, stick it on the back seat, and remember "lefty loosy, righty tighty".
Job done.  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on August 30, 2014, 20:12:25 pm
To change a wheel??

Anything goes wrong with the car and I'm ringing the AA. That's what I bloody well pay them for.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: betamax toploader on August 30, 2014, 20:29:10 pm
Anything goes wrong with the car and I'm ringing the AA. That's what I bloody well pay them for.
  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Bingers on August 30, 2014, 20:50:08 pm
I've got to side with Duncanspeddingsleftfoot here, I also call for the AA when I get a puncture. Mind you, I haven't a spare, just one of those emergency foam kits and I just can't be arsed with it. (ruins the tyre)

And I agree with Marvo, only I'm with Direct Line rather than the AA.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on August 30, 2014, 21:40:44 pm
Updated:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags    - 4302
Aug - The Shrews - 3927

3,840 today if my maths is correct.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 30, 2014, 21:44:32 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927
Aug - The Grecians - 3840


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on August 30, 2014, 22:30:00 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927
Aug - The Grecians - 3840
operation mothball Sixfields.. Its working a treat, 230,000 people in this town, half decent team and its down to just over 1.8% of the population.  Good work developers.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on August 31, 2014, 00:25:19 am
Can't believe the disappearing punters.....
17000 fewer fans at MK Mongs today than on Tuesday.

Why did Wankieman waste so much money building such a massive stadium?
😂😂😂😂
Or does the argument get twisted again lol
Did someone have their finger up your ares while you typed that ? Sold any towels lately ?

Just wondered like


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TbananaG on August 31, 2014, 07:38:25 am
Didn't realise before yesterday, population of Burnley is 70,000. Hmmm...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ectonteynfan on August 31, 2014, 08:42:49 am
Mansfield 900
shrew 500
Exeter 150
not stopped to think its the away fans that are bringing less


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on August 31, 2014, 08:51:15 am
these numbers on this thread are home fans only.  away fans are not counted. says so on the very first page.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ectonteynfan on August 31, 2014, 09:01:39 am
Then I stand correct in that respect but a lot of people are on holiday this time of year


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on August 31, 2014, 09:09:49 am
there's a lot on holiday at the beginning of august too when 500 more turned up vs Mansfield


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Baby Bear on August 31, 2014, 11:30:08 am
Personally, i didn't renew my season ticket this season, mainly cos it's been s***e for years, and I thought they were taking liberties, wanting £50 more, before we knew if we'd still be in the football league. I went to the Mansfield game, but at £20 haven't bothered since, i'd be very surprised if I attend more than 5or 6 home games at that price. Incidently, I had been a season ticket holder since 99/2000.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on August 31, 2014, 11:45:54 am
Personally, i didn't renew my season ticket this season, mainly cos it's been ****e for years, and I thought they were taking liberties, wanting £50 more, before we knew if we'd still be in the football league. I went to the Mansfield game, but at £20 haven't bothered since, i'd be very surprised if I attend more than 5or 6 home games at that price. Incidently, I had been a season ticket holder since 99/2000.
I happily pay £22 on the day as its the only way to financially support the club as all foods and beverages have been out sourced.
I can definitely say I've been well entertained  from the 3 games so far.

As a club we seriously need to encourage young families to attend at a price which they can afford.
1000 family tickets have to be made available every game at £20 which admits 1 adult and 2 children, these should be targeted at those who wouldn't normally attend.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on August 31, 2014, 12:03:54 pm
They already have a very successful group ticket scheme for kids and schools. They don't need to change anything there as the deals are very good.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on August 31, 2014, 12:16:16 pm
They already have a very successful group ticket scheme for kids and schools. They don't need to change anything there as the deals are very good.
Any numbers? As I only ever see a dozen or so kids from local clubs, which is good but not the same thing, Families will want to return and become future supporters.
Its all about the long term, what you invest in now will pay off in the long term.

Now the redevelopment has started we should think more about the clubs future and less on the development that has stagnated the club for many years.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bungle on August 31, 2014, 13:08:32 pm
Our floating home support has unsurprisingly taken a hit after 3 relegation battles in the past four seasons (and two years of Hoofroyd).

It will take time to build up again, but as others have said, that 1-0 win was a lot more entertaining than most of what AB served up and in Ivan Toney we have a genuinely exciting young talent.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on August 31, 2014, 14:56:18 pm
Any numbers? As I only ever see a dozen or so kids from local clubs, which is good but not the same thing, Families will want to return and become future supporters.
Its all about the long term, what you invest in now will pay off in the long term.

Now the redevelopment has started we should think more about the clubs future and less on the development that has stagnated the club for many years.

When I went with my daughters school there were about 50 kids from that one school, think there was about 5 other schools and then numerous local teams etc as well.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on August 31, 2014, 15:20:51 pm
When I went with my daughters school there were about 50 kids from that one school, think there was about 5 other schools and then numerous local teams etc as well.
why are you telling fibs ;D

Only when 50/50 Phil and another chap were at the club did anyone remotely promote the club properly, unless you are talking about 2 years ago?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: j20cobbler on August 31, 2014, 16:21:16 pm
I happily pay £22 on the day as its the only way to financially support the club as all foods and beverages have been out sourced.
I can definitely say I've been well entertained  from the 3 games so far.

As a club we seriously need to encourage young families to attend at a price which they can afford.
1000 family tickets have to be made available every game at £20 which admits 1 adult and 2 children, these should be targeted at those who wouldn't normally attend.

1000 family seats..... Is that logistically possible with our capacity?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ntfclad on August 31, 2014, 17:16:25 pm
Sure they used to give away quite a lot? East Stand was pretty full most weeks.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on August 31, 2014, 17:52:40 pm
Sorry, haven't trawlled through all the posts but...really over 4000 yesterday???
Certainly didn't seem it and a few of said after seemed nearer 3,800.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on August 31, 2014, 18:03:52 pm
1000 family seats..... Is that logistically possible with our capacity?
We're in the Middle of a 12 million upgrade, so practically logistically and logically yes, it better frigging do!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DuncanSpeddingsLeftFoot on August 31, 2014, 18:51:03 pm
why are you telling fibs ;D

Only when 50/50 Phil and another chap were at the club did anyone remotely promote the club properly, unless you are talking about 2 years ago?

This was three times last season.

I don't need to tell fibs or make up stuff, just saying.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: j20cobbler on August 31, 2014, 22:35:05 pm
Sorry, haven't trawlled through all the posts but...really over 4000 yesterday???
Certainly didn't seem it and a few of said after seemed nearer 3,800.
Gosh, you must have a keen eye to differentiate between 3800 and 4000.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on September 01, 2014, 05:42:24 am
So are they disappearing or not??

Probably not. Like a pre season run out music thread, this is rolled out this time every year as we find attendaces are a bit lower due to holidays etc


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on September 01, 2014, 08:22:15 am
So are they disappearing or not??

No.

According to Deepcut's own figures, the "home" support for the first three games of this season is 12,069 which is 712 more than last seasons three opening league fixtures.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on September 01, 2014, 12:16:33 pm
No.

According to Deepcut's own figures, the "home" support for the first three games of this season is 12,069 which is 712 more than last seasons three opening league fixtures.
So a  good old fashioned successful
 relegation battle is better than an inglorious Wembley defeat.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on September 01, 2014, 12:38:36 pm
The actual figures may disappoint some of the doom mongers on here but facts are facts.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on September 01, 2014, 13:32:22 pm
Gosh, you must have a keen eye to differentiate between 3800 and 4000.
Well quite, yes. West Upper (South) had swathes of empty seats and North Stand looked less full than against Mansfield...so guess comparing 3,800 home (Sat) with around 4,200 for Mansfield.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Warren Street on September 01, 2014, 17:22:57 pm
I was a long term season ticket holder up to last season.

I've just fallen out of love with watching them play.  For too long now we have been watching a piss poor product.  In my opinion the overall standard of league football now compared to 10 years ago is much inferior and for £22 i want to watch a team that at least looks like it trying.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on September 01, 2014, 17:53:08 pm
Amazing how many people are claiming they are no longer season ticket holders yet the crowds are showing an increase.

David Cardoza must be very pleased.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Whitedogdo on September 01, 2014, 18:38:21 pm
Did someone have their finger up your ares while you typed that ? Sold any towels lately ?

Just wondered like

What's an ares?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Warren Street on September 01, 2014, 19:47:38 pm
02/03   5210
Average attendances are going down.
03/04    5305
04/05    5927
05/06    5935
06/07    5612
07/08    5409
08/09    5200
09/10    4427
10/11    4604
11/12    4867
12/13    4785
13/14    4548
14/15 4541


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on September 01, 2014, 19:55:21 pm
No there NOT! and I like the way you've included three seasons in League 1 in your example. How about we compare the figures to the 1980's where under 3,000 was the common denominator?

Since we returned to League 2 in 2009/10 the figure has hardly moved.

Average home attendance including ALL games.

2009/10 - 4,242
2010/11 - 4,514
2011/12 - 4,769
2012/13 - 4,416
2013/14 - 4,504
2014/15 - 4,541

Early days but this is the second best figure in the last 6 years and I fully expect it to be the best.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: southofthecounty on September 01, 2014, 19:57:09 pm
What's an ares?
He's a Greek god. Knowing the  Greeks he might quite enjoy this.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on September 01, 2014, 20:09:17 pm
Well... If they are going up on the tail end of a really poor season, then fair play to our support.

Perhaps it's due to the good run of form at the back of last season.
Don't forget the final game of last season was far more enjoyable than the season before.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: j20cobbler on September 02, 2014, 09:18:55 am
No there NOT! and I like the way you've included three seasons in League 1 in your example. How about we compare the figures to the 1980's where under 3,000 was the common denominator?

Since we returned to League 2 in 2009/10 the figure has hardly moved.

Average home attendance including ALL games.

2009/10 - 4,242
2010/11 - 4,514
2011/12 - 4,769
2012/13 - 4,416
2013/14 - 4,504
2014/15 - 4,541

Early days but this is the second best figure in the last 6 years and I fully expect it to be the best.
I prefer Warrens figures Marvo, they are simpler and more transparent. Crowds at Sixfields have been on a steady decline since 02/03.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: defender on September 02, 2014, 11:07:39 am
I prefer Warrens figures Marvo, they are simpler and more transparent. Crowds at Sixfields have been on a steady decline since 02/03.

The very low wages, hige prices for everything, it play's a large part, pay morgage/rent, there's not a lot left, food is more important than watching football, it's that simple.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Whitedogdo on September 02, 2014, 14:11:56 pm
I prefer Warrens figures Marvo, they are simpler and more transparent. Crowds at Sixfields have been on a steady decline since 02/03.


Given the huge impact the global financial collapse had ( and continues to have), I'm amazed the post 2008 attendances are reasonably stable.

Some of the major high street retailers would be delighted with the % +\- year on year.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on September 03, 2014, 20:24:39 pm
Interesting that even those with a firm conviction gates are declining blame it on the quality/value of the product - rather than the fact we don't have another 3000 (empty) seats........


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 03, 2014, 20:30:13 pm
Interesting that even those with a firm conviction gates are declining blame it on the quality/value of the product - rather than the fact we don't have another 3000 (empty) seats........
So if the product improves then the crowds will be up? Is that how I'm reading things?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on September 03, 2014, 20:35:45 pm
So if the product improves then the crowds will be up? Is that how I'm reading things?

I hesitate to dignify that with an answer as I detect a hint of sarcasm......


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on September 03, 2014, 20:40:59 pm
I think the global banking crisis (including the collapse in Iceland) as well as 9/11 has had an impact on attendances...I certainly found myself watching telly more back then!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on September 03, 2014, 21:49:20 pm
Interesting that even those with a firm conviction gates are declining blame it on the quality/value of the product - rather than the fact we don't have another 3000 (empty) seats........
For years the football club has severely under sold itself to Northampton and its 230,000 inhabitants.
 Always doing the bare minimal marketing, as it ploughed on with the all important construction of the surrounding area, which has virtually mothballed the club hence our constant poor showing at the foot of the football league.

If only we could copy the marketing strategy of  Derby, Norwich, Ipswich etc.. There would soon be a serious shortage of seats.
But as long as Cardoza sees extra capacity as a bad thing, we can rest assured it will be league 2 for us.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on September 04, 2014, 06:13:17 am

But as long as Cardoza sees extra capacity as a bad thing,



Instead of keep peddling this tripe, how about you tell us why Cardoza sees extra capacity as a bad thing?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on September 04, 2014, 06:26:50 am
I think the global banking crisis (including the collapse in Iceland) as well as 9/11 has had an impact on attendances...I certainly found myself watching telly more back then!

What on earth has 9/11 got to do with people going to lower league football matches?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on September 04, 2014, 11:15:44 am
Interesting that even those with a firm conviction gates are declining blame it on the quality/value of the product - rather than the fact we don't have another 3000 (empty) seats........

 ;D ;D - brilliant observation


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on September 04, 2014, 11:18:05 am
So if the product improves then the crowds will be up? Is that how I'm reading things?

he has outwitted you Marquis ::) you should have avoided this potential banana skin.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on September 04, 2014, 11:19:47 am
Instead of keep peddling this tripe, how about you tell us why Cardoza sees extra capacity as a bad thing?

++


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on September 04, 2014, 13:33:06 pm
Instead of keep peddling this tripe, how about you tell us why Cardoza sees extra capacity as a bad thing?
The Chairman is the only person who could possibly answer that question.
To be honest with you. I don't think he really believes it ???


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on September 04, 2014, 22:04:10 pm
What on earth has 9/11 got to do with people going to lower league football matches?

FFS...is Friends your favourite show? Anything on the subtle front flies over your head eh?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Another Pedj on September 04, 2014, 22:32:11 pm
Well is wasn't exactly subtle was it. More just inane


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on September 05, 2014, 14:19:47 pm
Well is wasn't exactly subtle was it. More just inane

Well thanks for your oh so professional opinion and semantics!
Pretty poor whoosh...and therefore sufficently subtle...no?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on September 05, 2014, 15:39:05 pm
Interesting that even those with a firm conviction gates are declining blame it on the quality/value of the product - rather than the fact we don't have another 3000 (empty) seats........


Stop trying to twist the argument!

Nobody has ever said that having a large stadium guarantees large crowds. A decent stadium though can help attract and retain support and therefore help to sustain a better product on the pitch.

Obviously what happens on the pitch affects attendance. Having seats available should the quality/value improve is a different matter. Should we have had a greater capacity in the late 90's we may have raised enough to sustain league one football. With segregation and the inability for groups or families to sit together any attendance above 7000 at Sixfields in effect constitutes a sell out. We will never know how much revenue the club has missed out on.

With the money available to him, DC's not interested in increasing capacity that's now obvious and a real missed opportunity for the club. He's concentrated on spending a bigger percentage on projects that will benefit him, his family and business associates. That's not so obvious to those with deep rose tinted specs.

It makes me laugh all those who say we dont need seats, of course we bloody do, just as much as we need off-field facilities. Those who have asked questions about the dissapearing development are moaners or whingers, no supporters who don't want the same cycle over again.

The club was here before DC and hopefully it'll be here after DC, so asking questions about what he's doing with this huge investment is just what supporters should do as it's obvious DC does not always get it right!!

With £5m++? to invest in the clubs infrastructure disappearing punters shouldn't be an issue.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on September 05, 2014, 15:47:59 pm
We'll I'll say it again......

Once they start disappearing, let us know. At the moment we're at half capacity so some way to go yet before we start locking people out.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on September 05, 2014, 19:21:26 pm

Stop trying to twist the argument!

Nobody has ever said that having a large stadium guarantees large crowds. A decent stadium though can help attract and retain support and therefore help to sustain a better product on the pitch.

Obviously what happens on the pitch affects attendance. Having seats available should the quality/value improve is a different matter. Should we have had a greater capacity in the late 90's we may have raised enough to sustain league one football. With segregation and the inability for groups or families to sit together any attendance above 7000 at Sixfields in effect constitutes a sell out. We will never know how much revenue the club has missed out on.

With the money available to him, DC's not interested in increasing capacity that's now obvious and a real missed opportunity for the club. He's concentrated on spending a bigger percentage on projects that will benefit him, his family and business associates. That's not so obvious to those with deep rose tinted specs.

It makes me laugh all those who say we dont need seats, of course we bloody do, just as much as we need off-field facilities. Those who have asked questions about the dissapearing development are moaners or whingers, no supporters who don't want the same cycle over again.

The club was here before DC and hopefully it'll be here after DC, so asking questions about what he's doing with this huge investment is just what supporters should do as it's obvious DC does not always get it right!!

With £5m++? to invest in the clubs infrastructure disappearing punters shouldn't be an issue.

This totally!
The short sighted attitudes to the obvious from those you are replying to, is quite frankly pathetic!
Apart from the Darlington case study, long term success can only be attained by having a stadium (and capacity) to suit.
Still, don't wish for real progress...it will be viewed by some as moaning FFS!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 16, 2014, 20:32:30 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on September 16, 2014, 20:49:37 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927
Aug - The Grecians - 3840
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523

Like a lot of people, gutted it wasn't 3524 tonight!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on September 16, 2014, 20:54:04 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927
Aug - The Grecians - 3840
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523

Worrying decline game on game but that should stop the rot. Failing that we could take some seats out.  :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 16, 2014, 21:40:42 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927
Aug - The Grecians - 3840
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523
Are these the attendances that Marvo says are going up?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on September 16, 2014, 21:47:00 pm
Are these the attendances that Marvo says are going up?

 ;D  your just like the little boy having a go at a bully from behind miss.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: JollyCobbler on September 16, 2014, 22:22:12 pm
;D  your just like the little boy having a go at a bully from behind miss.

As opposed to you, who was probably the little git standing in the schoolyard egging the bully on :-*


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 16, 2014, 22:23:16 pm
;D  your just like the little boy having a go at a bully from behind miss.
Who's 'Miss' in this instance then?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Whitedogdo on September 17, 2014, 06:21:07 am

Stop trying to twist the argument!

Nobody has ever said that having a large stadium guarantees large crowds. A decent stadium though can help attract and retain support and therefore help to sustain a better product on the pitch.

Obviously what happens on the pitch affects attendance. Having seats available should the quality/value improve is a different matter. Should we have had a greater capacity in the late 90's we may have raised enough to sustain league one football. With segregation and the inability for groups or families to sit together any attendance above 7000 at Sixfields in effect constitutes a sell out. We will never know how much revenue the club has missed out on.

With the money available to him, DC's not interested in increasing capacity that's now obvious and a real missed opportunity for the club. He's concentrated on spending a bigger percentage on projects that will benefit him, his family and business associates. That's not so obvious to those with deep rose tinted specs.

It makes me laugh all those who say we dont need seats, of course we bloody do, just as much as we need off-field facilities. Those who have asked questions about the dissapearing development are moaners or whingers, no supporters who don't want the same cycle over again.

The club was here before DC and hopefully it'll be here after DC, so asking questions about what he's doing with this huge investment is just what supporters should do as it's obvious DC does not always get it right!!

With £5m++? to invest in the clubs infrastructure disappearing punters shouldn't be an issue.

Watch this space.....
The club is silent for VERY valid reasons at present.
Within a couple of weeks, a fountain of truth will be released.
Many people will nod understandingly and go " oh yeaaaah, right.... Now it all makes sense!"

Trust me, even your dark glasses may turn slightly rosey.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on September 17, 2014, 06:25:15 am
Continue to play like they did last night and the disappearing punters will all be back and more.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 17, 2014, 06:40:36 am
Not too many more,  nowhere to put them  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Semilong Old Boy on September 17, 2014, 07:22:43 am
I think people are missing the bloody obvious here, despite the government saying things are getting better, they are not, the vast majority of people are no better off, in fact they are worse off. If it comes to whether decide spending close on a 100 quid for a family of four by the time you have brought match tickets and drinks/ food etc you are not going to do it, especially twice in a week. Northampton is not a particularly wealthy area lets be honest.   


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 17, 2014, 11:38:50 am
I thought that was a fair turnout for a Tuesday night against the not-so mighty 'Pools. It must compare reasonably favourably with Tuesday night matches in recent years?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 17, 2014, 12:58:49 pm
2013/14 Season:
Aug - Newport      - 3775 Sat
Aug - Torquay      - 3836 Sat
Sep - Scunny       - 3726 Sat
Sep - Exeter         - 3778 Sat
Sep - Morec         - 3748 Sat
Oct - D&R            - 3866 Sat
Oct - Chelts         - 3721 Sat
Nov - CodArmy      - 3932 Sat
Nov - Accie           - 3996 Sat
Dec - Wycombe     - 3914 Sat
Jan - York             - 3984 Sat
Jan - Spirites         - 4149 Sat
Feb - Plymouth      - 4079 Sat
Feb - M/Hangers    - 3815 Sat
Feb - Sarfend        - 3469 Tue
Mar - The Gas       - 4328 Sat
Mar - The Stags    - 4385 Sat
Mar - The Dale      - 3514 Tue
Mar - The Dons     - 3450 Tue
Mar - The Shakers - 4225 Sat
Apr - The Brewers  - 4139 Sat
Apr - Pompey        - 5500 Mon  (including a few Pompey in the home areas)
May - Oxford         - 6171 Sat

Only three Tuesday matches from last season but 3400-3500 home fan attendances are noticeably lower than the Saturday/Monday trend...last night was not unusual...



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on September 17, 2014, 13:49:55 pm
2013/14 Season:

Mar - The Dale      - 3514 Tue
Mar - The Dons     - 3450 Tue

Only three Tuesday matches from last season but 3400-3500 home fan attendances are noticeably lower than the Saturday/Monday trend...last night was not unusual...



Even so and after a fairly decent start to the season it was a disappointing attendance but I don't suppose the result at Newport helped ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 17, 2014, 14:42:50 pm
Even so and after a fairly decent start to the season it was a disappointing attendance but I don't suppose the result at Newport helped ::)

Or the fact that it was Champions League MD1?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 17, 2014, 16:03:34 pm
Or the fact that it was Champions League MD1?
Or the fact that we are at home again on Saturday


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: cricketside on September 17, 2014, 16:11:47 pm
I think people are missing the bloody obvious here, despite the government saying things are getting better, they are not, the vast majority of people are no better off, in fact they are worse off. If it comes to whether decide spending close on a 100 quid for a family of four by the time you have brought match tickets and drinks/ food etc you are not going to do it, especially twice in a week. Northampton is not a particularly wealthy area lets be honest.   

Good post.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on September 19, 2014, 16:15:04 pm
OK 3,653 including a few Pools is on the low side but after many seasons of abject crap, sensational PR from the club, champions league on TV, hard times for some and losing the Saturday before it's hardly unexpected.

Whats more interesting is CW's comments today, “We want to be a club that is moving forward and that is attracting more supporters through the gates to come and watch us,” he said. How many does the chairman want to attract?

With a minimum 942 seats given up to away supporters CW will have to be careful the team doesn't hit 5 too many times as that only leaves about 3400 more to attract than Tuesday.

I CW succeeds beyond even his own imagination.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on September 19, 2014, 22:27:16 pm
OK 3,653 including a few Pools is on the low side but after many seasons of abject crap, sensational PR from the club, champions league on TV, hard times for some and losing the Saturday before it's hardly unexpected.

Whats more interesting is CW's comments today, “We want to be a club that is moving forward and that is attracting more supporters through the gates to come and watch us,” he said. How many does the chairman want to attract?

With a minimum 942 seats given up to away supporters CW will have to be careful the team doesn't hit 5 too many times as that only leaves about 3400 more to attract than Tuesday.

I CW succeeds beyond even his own imagination.


Also the new marketing manager looks like he's the real deal, inviting comments and ideas, he should easily get those extra 2000 currently dormant Cobblers fans amongst Northampton's hefty population back on the 'firm' and the 'news' that's causing some to prematurely express gizz, a second hand Trinitron screen, which is being installed soon should give a much more professional looking Stadium.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 20, 2014, 17:59:06 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 20, 2014, 19:03:44 pm
A good turnout. Only the Pompey and Oxford games saw more home fans last season. Accrington is never a big attraction. Shame the extra fans witnessed the most shambolic defending since the 7-2 Shrewsbury 3 years ago. Hopefully the attacking intent will entice the majority back. No atmosphere again though, although when an away team only bring 68 it's often a bit flat.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 20, 2014, 19:12:17 pm
doesnt help much when you go 4-1 down either


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 11, 2014, 21:27:48 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 12, 2014, 10:02:00 am
So. Just how close were we to being "just a few hundred ticket left"? Somebody asked me about it on Thursday and I told them there wasn't many tickets left. They didn't bother coming in the end because of that. Not sure if this strategy really works


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tcobb on October 12, 2014, 11:42:31 am
For some unknown reason NTFC have a habit of saying games are close to selling out, when in fact they are not. It never has resulted in a rush for tickets so I dont see the point.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: A view from the east on October 12, 2014, 13:35:15 pm
For some unknown reason NTFC have a habit of saying games are close to selling out, when in fact they are not. It never has resulted in a rush for tickets so I dont see the point.
Agree its misleading, there were lots of empty seats in the West upper and loads in the North as well.
We were told when booking that there were only a few seats left.
Seems counter productive.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on October 12, 2014, 13:59:04 pm
Those figures are home fans only


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: defender on October 13, 2014, 09:07:36 am
Good post.
            Il'l second that.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: stevecobb on October 15, 2014, 14:10:52 pm
 I hate to say this  but the cobblers have a nasty habit of letting us down . We beat a team ,the next match the floating fans turn  up  but the team does not.  No wonder they dont come back.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on October 15, 2014, 17:50:43 pm
I think people are missing the bloody obvious here, despite the government saying things are getting better, they are not, the vast majority of people are no better off, in fact they are worse off. If it comes to whether decide spending close on a 100 quid for a family of four by the time you have brought match tickets and drinks/ food etc you are not going to do it, especially twice in a week. Northampton is not a particularly wealthy area lets be honest.   

Interesting comments when read against todays unemployment / financial news.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on October 15, 2014, 18:24:07 pm
I hate to say this  but the cobblers have a nasty habit of letting us down . We beat a team ,the next match the floating fans turn  up  but the team does not.  No wonder they dont come back.

I doubt we're the only team who don't win every week.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on October 15, 2014, 18:45:59 pm
Interesting comments when read against todays unemployment / financial news.

The thing that politicians fail to understand is that wages are not keeping track with inflation. This has been the case for some years now. In addition some goods which are not measured as part of the inflation % have risen way above that rate, train tickets for example.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest48 on October 15, 2014, 18:54:00 pm
The thing that politicians fail to understand is that wages are not keeping track with inflation. This has been the case for some years now. In addition some goods which are not measured as part of the inflation % have risen way above that rate, train tickets for example.
Plus the fact that a lot of the "new" jobs are zero hour contracts or , if they are full time , they pay the minimum wage.  Strangely enough the average wage rise of a Chief Executive last year was 20% , maybe this is why DC wants more seats for the prawn sandwich brigade  ???


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: j20cobbler on October 15, 2014, 23:04:46 pm
The thing that politicians fail to understand is that wages are not keeping track with inflation. This has been the case for some years now. In addition some goods which are not measured as part of the inflation % have risen way above that rate, train tickets for example.
Oh I they understand all right, they just can't or don't want to do anything about it.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 21, 2014, 19:51:15 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on October 21, 2014, 22:04:51 pm
Surprised and disappointed that only 100 more than the last Tuesday night home game when our nearest rivals come to town. I know it was a filthy night weather-wise but do that many people buy tickets on the night anyway?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on October 21, 2014, 22:23:04 pm
Surprised and disappointed that only 100 more than the last Tuesday night home game when our nearest rivals come to town. I know it was a filthy night weather-wise but do that many people buy tickets on the night anyway?
getting smashed Five at home to Accrington Stanley does nothing to get the crowds flocking!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 21, 2014, 22:32:59 pm
getting smashed Five at home to Accrington Stanley does nothing to get the crowds flocking!

Didn't get the crowds flocking to Accrington either! Just 947 in attendance for their game tonight. That's the first sub 1000 league crowd I can remember for a few years.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on October 22, 2014, 02:16:38 am
Three home defeats on the trot!

Say no more, we know where this is heading.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on October 23, 2014, 12:36:04 pm
I'm always surprised by how many less home fans are there on a Tuesday night. I understand the reasons but personally give me a night game at Sixfields all the time. Home on a Tuesday Away on a Saturday would do me  :D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on October 23, 2014, 12:49:35 pm
I suspect a fair percentage of the drop is due to fewer schools and families attending on week nights.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 23, 2014, 14:24:22 pm
Those who live further away cannot make the KO straight from work in midweek?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 09, 2014, 07:15:43 am
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ajp on November 09, 2014, 07:28:49 am
You missed off the dons game?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 09, 2014, 08:01:14 am
Well spotted, so updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on November 09, 2014, 10:40:25 am
Interesting comments when read against todays unemployment / financial news.

I think you just made his point for him.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on November 09, 2014, 18:41:14 pm
I think you just made his point for him.

What after 25 days ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on November 09, 2014, 20:49:54 pm
No one can really deny that Sixfields is a horrible place to watch football at the moment. Part of it is football in general, linked to the economy but you could write a book on that.
It is the kind of place that away teams must relish coming to, in terms of fancying their chances. Our crowd quickly turn if things are not going well, with very little atmosphere unless we get a dodgy ref. You can't attribute that solely to the missing East Stand as it's been like that for ages.
I think that is why you get people who may go once or twice and then don't return. You are left with the die hard ST holders, or those who are very much in love with the club and game, or who can afford it and have nothing better to do.
Marvo was right in terms of the product on the pitch being the most important factor but the Sixfields environment certainly must be putting a few off.
I thought yesterday was very disappointing though after a really good gesture to slash the prices.   


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on November 10, 2014, 06:15:06 am
With all due respect to Rochdale, they're not box office and were very likely to beat us.
The reduced offer was not promoted outside the club and was only picked up on by regulars.
Also they could've spiced it up a bit with tickets bought for Rochdale get some priority if we were to progress to round 3, could've helped.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on November 10, 2014, 09:49:52 am
What after 25 days ::)

Does a point become invalid after a certain length of time then or has the economic situation changed so drastically in that time?  ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: cricketside on November 10, 2014, 10:28:24 am
With all due respect to Rochdale, they're not box office and were very likely to beat us.
The reduced offer was not promoted outside the club and was only picked up on by regulars.
Also they could've spiced it up a bit with tickets bought for Rochdale get some priority if we were to progress to round 3, could've helped.

Blimey, is that the worst you can do?

The reduced offer was not promoted outside the carbuncle but was only picked up on by regulars who deserve so much more, but what would you expect with such inept management always holding our club back from its manifest destiny. Also they could've spiced it up a bit with tickets bought for Rochdale get some priority in naming the new stand if we were to progress to the Championship in two rapid promotions, could've helped.

There.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alwaysdark on November 10, 2014, 10:42:06 am
IF people WANT to earn enough money to go and watch Northampton play they can do so here in Northampton. The question is not about lack of jobs or low pay it is about the lack of desire from some local people to earn themselves enough disposable money.  It is also a case of some (like me) earning enough to watch all off the games but to do so this may include working Saturdays and evenings thus limiting the chance of supporting the team by coming along to games. It is not a Monday to Friday 9am to 5pm society anymore leaving Saturday to watch the football.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: sbedscobb on November 10, 2014, 12:52:31 pm
Blimey, is that the worst you can do?

The reduced offer was not promoted outside the carbuncle but was only picked up on by regulars who deserve so much more, but what would you expect with such inept management always holding our club back from its manifest destiny. Also they could've spiced it up a bit with tickets bought for Rochdale get some priority in naming the new stand if we were to progress to the Championship in two rapid promotions, could've helped.

There.
Now that you've mentioned it, ...
I knew after our couple of pints down the Bat and wickets you'd get yourself on side!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Iest_ntfc on November 10, 2014, 13:24:17 pm
IF people WANT to earn enough money to go and watch Northampton play they can do so here in Northampton. The question is not about lack of jobs or low pay it is about the lack of desire from some local people to earn themselves enough disposable money.  It is also a case of some (like me) earning enough to watch all off the games but to do so this may include working Saturdays and evenings thus limiting the chance of supporting the team by coming along to games. It is not a Monday to Friday 9am to 5pm society anymore leaving Saturday to watch the football.

You could always become a steward, you'd then get paid to watch


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Iest_ntfc on November 10, 2014, 13:24:25 pm
IF people WANT to earn enough money to go and watch Northampton play they can do so here in Northampton. The question is not about lack of jobs or low pay it is about the lack of desire from some local people to earn themselves enough disposable money.  It is also a case of some (like me) earning enough to watch all off the games but to do so this may include working Saturdays and evenings thus limiting the chance of supporting the team by coming along to games. It is not a Monday to Friday 9am to 5pm society anymore leaving Saturday to watch the football.

You could always become a steward, you'd then get paid to watch


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on November 10, 2014, 13:50:40 pm
Does a point become invalid after a certain length of time then or has the economic situation changed so drastically in that time?  ::)

The economic situation has improved since 15th Oct thanks to George Osborne's* supa dupa stewardship - anyway a week is considered a long time in politics but 25 days ::) ::). Why not wait until the next GE in May 2015?  :'(

* These Public Schools boys sure know how to get the UK back on it's feet. :)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alwaysdark on November 10, 2014, 13:54:44 pm
You could always become a steward, you'd then get paid to watch
 

That may well work for some but we would not help pay the clubs bills with 1000 stewards each home game  :) As some of us already work Saturdays and also in to the evenings it may not help as much  :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on November 10, 2014, 15:16:33 pm
 

That may well work for some but we would not help pay the clubs bills with 1000 stewards each home game  :) As some of us already work Saturdays and also in to the evenings it may not help as much  :P

Afternoon AD - that's a fair enough reply from IEST but your suggestion of 1000 Stewards is way over the top. Personally I would like to see you as a Steward pretty sure you would be a fine one; to save the club money can see you doing it for nil return 8)

au revoir


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alwaysdark on November 10, 2014, 16:08:26 pm
For me personally money and the willingness of me to spend it on visiting the football is not the issue is it, so the chance of you seeing this fine young (well not so young) man in a shiny reflective jacket in the near future is very slim. Sorry to spoil your hopes everbrite  :P

 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: cricketside on November 10, 2014, 16:16:10 pm
Now that you've mentioned it, ...
I knew after our couple of pints down the Bat and wickets you'd get yourself on side!

I was outside it the other day when the stabbing went on, but I've not been in there ever.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on November 10, 2014, 17:01:18 pm
For me personally money and the willingness of me to spend it on visiting the football is not the issue is it, so the chance of you seeing this fine young (well not so young) man in a shiny reflective jacket in the near future is very slim. Sorry to spoil your hopes everbrite  :P
 

You do like to give yourself artistic licence - thought you would be the last on here to assume things ::) Back to topic Iest response was pretty savvy on you being a steward yet you ridiculed it with a suggestion of 1000 stewards ??? Please try to give a more sensible thought out reply.

regards


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alwaysdark on November 10, 2014, 17:44:51 pm
You do like to give yourself artistic licence - thought you would be the last on here to assume things ::) Back to topic Iest response was pretty savvy on you being a steward yet you ridiculed it with a suggestion of 1000 stewards ??? Please try to give a more sensible thought out reply.

regards

Go on then, I will give you the attention you crave and that you are fishing for but I will not be trading idiotic comments with you all night I'm afraid :-*

Whatever it is that is eating you, it must be suffering horribly. (That will have to do for tonight).


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on November 20, 2014, 11:08:26 am
Interesting read on an issue affecting most clubs in the football league.

Focusing mainly on Brighton and how they've bucked the trend in declining attendances, the initiatives and the focus on customer experience are in marked contrast to the Sixfields experience.

Read this DC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21142999


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on November 20, 2014, 11:17:31 am
It doesn't say anything that hasn't been discussed before though. Plus the fact that so many initiatives cannot be carried out with a small capacity (but I don't want to hijack this thread for that reason) Brighton would not have been able to do what they are now if they were still at the Withdean would they.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Saint Cobbler on November 20, 2014, 11:32:03 am
It doesn't say anything that hasn't been discussed before though. Plus the fact that so many initiatives cannot be carried out with a small capacity (but I don't want to hijack this thread for that reason) Brighton would not have been able to do what they are now if they were still at the Withdean would they.
No, but they didn't replace Withdean with a ground like Sixfields either. I know it's wrong to compare with one of the best new grounds built in recent years but how do other lower league replacement grounds compare with Sixfields? I haven't been to many but Orient's ground didn't look too shabby to me.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on November 20, 2014, 11:41:22 am
Initiatives such as those outlined require excellent facilities and a forward thinking management team dedicated to delivering a better fans experience.

Whilst an Amex is out of the question £7,5m would be enough to bring Sixfields to the required next level.

If only the club could borrow some money to improve the facilities at Sixfields?



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on November 20, 2014, 11:56:05 am
The facilities on offer at Sixfields are never given any thought though. We have a long list of things that were going to happen only for them to disappear from any options.(fan's village to name but one)
That said I do think Sixfields is quite comfortably comparable to most lower league clubs. 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on November 20, 2014, 11:57:18 am
I thought the Marquis was threatening to ban people who start saying the same thing over the redevelopment in separate threads?

Time for action not words me thinks.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on November 20, 2014, 12:27:45 pm
Don't let the fact that some of the issues discussed on here actually cross over into different threads get in the way of attempting to make a point.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: AidyMannsDog on November 20, 2014, 16:21:21 pm
I thought the Marquis was threatening to ban people who start saying the same thing over the redevelopment in separate threads?

Time for action not words me thinks.

I posted this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21142999

If you read it John, it's how clubs are taking measures to reduce declining attendances. It also connects attendances with facilities, something you say has no influence on attendance?

Now what was title of this thread again?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on November 20, 2014, 16:28:19 pm
At work, no time, carry on without me.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 22, 2014, 19:50:58 pm
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 13, 2014, 19:36:25 pm
Lowest Saturday home total today.....

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ajp on December 13, 2014, 19:50:37 pm
That doesn't make pleasing reading does it.. 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 13, 2014, 19:53:56 pm
Christmas shopping?  ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on December 13, 2014, 19:59:14 pm
Not surprised. The season is going nowhere, it's nearly Christmas, the Saints were at home too. The Sixfields atmosphere has been rank all season, full of apathy/negativity. It's not a joy to go, more of a chore.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: CordwainerBill on December 13, 2014, 20:10:37 pm
DC doesn't even bother nowadays does he? Didn't see him again today, did anybody else see him?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ajp on December 13, 2014, 20:12:16 pm
He was there and so was big daddy too..


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: CordwainerBill on December 13, 2014, 20:22:00 pm
He was there and so was big daddy too..

Yes is saw the old boy I'm sure CW was delighted to see him there to witness that . oh and you say His mini me was there too.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on December 13, 2014, 21:41:16 pm
Yep they were both there.

How long has he had the big bald gorilla of a minder?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on December 13, 2014, 21:56:20 pm
DC doesn't even bother nowadays does he? Didn't see him again today, did anybody else see him?

FFS - he sits, with his family in the same seats for + 80% of the games - we all know you have a distorted hatred but at the very least try to base your vitriol on easily observable facts.......


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: CordwainerBill on December 13, 2014, 22:00:24 pm
FFS - he sits, with his family in the same seats for + 80% of the games - we all know you have a distorted hatred but at the very least try to base your vitriol on easily observable facts.......

With resect my post ended with "did anybody else see him" as an enquiry . you must have seen it because you deleted it from your reply.

Read it again!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Gibbo on December 13, 2014, 22:14:56 pm
Yep they were both there.

How long has he had the big bald gorilla of a minder?
That's no way to talk about Marvo


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on December 13, 2014, 22:16:21 pm
That's no way to talk about Marvo

 ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 13, 2014, 22:33:26 pm
DC doesn't even bother nowadays does he? Didn't see him again today, did anybody else see him?

I saw him too - you have a real problem Billy


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: CordwainerBill on December 13, 2014, 22:37:49 pm
I saw him too - you have a real problem Billy

It's ok Mrs E , we've managed to ascertain he was there today. Thanks


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 13, 2014, 22:48:48 pm
It's ok Mrs E , we've managed to ascertain he was there today. Thanks

Jesus - the royal we ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 13, 2014, 23:19:47 pm
That's no way to talk about Marvo

 ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on December 14, 2014, 06:46:42 am
That's no way to talk about Marvo

It could have been me. Sat in the North for the first half then "transferred" to the West for the second.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 14, 2014, 19:52:10 pm
It could have been me. Sat in the North for the first half then "transferred" to the West for the second.
I thought you'd left in disgust when you didn't reappear for the 2nd half


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on December 14, 2014, 21:58:38 pm
I didn't get to my seat till half time. I couldn't believe the amount of people walking out and away from the ground as I walked in. I tried to talk to some of them, they were wearing the clubs colours in the most and didn't think they would be back again soon. On a positive note I think it shows how many Cobblers fans there are in Town if so many decide to not bother yet we stay at around crowds of 4000.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest154 on December 17, 2014, 17:17:15 pm
Once upon a time I went to many games home & away, then a couple of things happened, I became a father, and looked after the little one, since that happened coughing up for a season ticket hasn't suited work/child/wife plans and match day prices aren't worth it for the football available, I've become far more picky about my entertainment choices and as a rule there are better value things out there than the cost of going to a game of football, but when I do go, it feels like self flagellation.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 17, 2014, 18:27:30 pm
Once upon a time I went to many games home & away, then a couple of things happened, I became a father, and looked after the little one, since that happened coughing up for a season ticket hasn't suited work/child/wife plans and match day prices aren't worth it for the football available, I've become far more picky about my entertainment choices and as a rule there are better value things out there than the cost of going to a game of football, but when I do go, it feels like self flagellation.

I read with interest your post - have had to borrow £20 from wife for the coach trip but insisted I had a cooked breakfast by 6.30am...................served in bed of course.  On the other hand I find theatre trips, musicals , shopping trips to MK and opera a fate worse than a early start for a trip to Carlisle.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 17, 2014, 19:11:06 pm
I thought you'd left in disgust when you didn't reappear for the 2nd half

 ;D  - you don't miss a trick!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 27, 2014, 09:36:19 am
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on December 27, 2014, 09:46:55 am
I wonder how that compares to recent boxing day home attendances? It does strike me as a poor Boxing Day attendance.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Charlatan on December 27, 2014, 15:59:10 pm
It is a poor boxing day atendance. Most people are sick to death with whats going on, both off the field & on it. No statement from the club RE development & going backwards on the pitch. My 1st Cobblers game was Feb 1965 v PNE. Iv'e been a ST @ Sixfields until this season, my last game was Oxford @ home this season. Lets be honest we're all really brassed off, our club is in such a sorry state. DC HAS to make a full & proper statement, never in my time have I witnessed such apathy. This REALLY is the most worried iv'e been for our club.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 27, 2014, 16:44:08 pm
There was one family I noticed that were absent today


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on December 27, 2014, 17:24:01 pm
There was one family I noticed that were absent today

....and really no excuse given the absence of snow in Klosters


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ArtichokeCobbler on December 27, 2014, 18:23:30 pm
I think many of us have just about had enough.    It's not just the poor performances on the pitch but just about everything at the club.    There's precious little stock in the so called club shop - I was planning to buy items there for Christmas presents but no stock available in store or online.     The service in Carrs Bar is as bad as ever (though I accept this is a franchise operation).     Absolutely sick of spending 90 minutes looking at a moribund building site.     Chris Wilder sounds like a totally broken man.     Half the team seem totally disinterested.    Absolutely no atmosphere.    Unforgivable lack of information from the Chairman.    Total apathy all around.    I've been a season ticket holder for many years, was in two minds this season, and I've just about made up my mind not to renew this time round.    Only going now because I have the ticket and to be honest, I'm really not fussed these days whether I go or not - at one time a home game was unmissable.   

It's an absolute tragedy.    These must be amongst the darkest days. 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alwaysdark on December 27, 2014, 18:46:21 pm
I think many of us have just about had enough.    It's not just the poor performances on the pitch but just about everything at the club.    There's precious little stock in the so called club shop - I was planning to buy items there for Christmas presents but no stock available in store or online.     The service in Carrs Bar is as bad as ever (though I accept this is a franchise operation).     Absolutely sick of spending 90 minutes looking at a moribund building site.     Chris Wilder sounds like a totally broken man.     Half the team seem totally disinterested.    Absolutely no atmosphere.    Unforgivable lack of information from the Chairman.    Total apathy all around.    I've been a season ticket holder for many years, was in two minds this season, and I've just about made up my mind not to renew this time round.    Only going now because I have the ticket and to be honest, I'm really not fussed these days whether I go or not - at one time a home game was unmissable.   

It's an absolute tragedy.    These must be amongst the darkest days. 


All of the above I agree with but can you not find one positive thing to say.  Look for a positive , go on you know you want to  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ArtichokeCobbler on December 27, 2014, 18:52:09 pm
All of the above I agree with but can you not find one positive thing to say.  Look for a positive , go on you know you want to  ;D

Ok - the programme's not at all bad.   

Thought of some more negatives though - the PA system is rubbish, the half time "entertainment" is tired and boring, and where are the new seats we were promised for August? 



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alwaysdark on December 27, 2014, 18:55:19 pm
Ok - the programme's not at all bad.   

Thought of some more negatives though - the PA system is rubbish, the half time "entertainment" is tired and boring, and where are the new seats we were promised for August? 



You did well but then you went and spoiled it  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: cobbler_rob on December 27, 2014, 19:08:14 pm
Ok - the programme's not at all bad.   

Thought of some more negatives though - the PA system is rubbish, the half time "entertainment" is tired and boring, and where are the new seats we were promised for August? 



The PA system is fine (as john motson proved the other week), it's the bloke who talks who doesn't have a clue how to use the microphone!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 27, 2014, 19:13:09 pm
I wonder how that compares to recent boxing day home attendances? It does strike me as a poor Boxing Day attendance.

These are the home games we've played on Boxing Day since the turn of the century......no breakdown of home fans only for the older ones i'm afraid!

26/12/2000 v Bristol City.....attendance 6,064 (L1)
26/12/2001 v Colchester.....attendance 4,740
26/12/2002 v Chesterfield.... attendance 5,282
26/12/2005 v Mansfield......attendance 6,112
26/12/2006 v Cheltenham.... attendance 5,239 (L1)
26/12/2009 v Dagenham......attendance 4,108 (3841 home 277 away)
26/12/2011 v Burton Albion..attendance 5,044 (4454 home 590 away)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 27, 2014, 19:15:05 pm
Ok - the programme's not at all bad.  

Thought of some more negatives though - the PA system is rubbish, the half time "entertainment" is tired and boring, and where are the new seats we were promised for August? 


The PA System is not rubbish, it is the operator - as proved by John Motson.
Can't argue with the remainder though.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on December 27, 2014, 20:59:46 pm
These are the home games we've played on Boxing Day since the turn of the century......no breakdown of home fans only for the older ones i'm afraid!

26/12/2000 v Bristol City.....attendance 6,064 (L1)
26/12/2001 v Colchester.....attendance 4,740
26/12/2002 v Chesterfield.... attendance 5,282
26/12/2005 v Mansfield......attendance 6,112
26/12/2006 v Cheltenham.... attendance 5,239 (L1)
26/12/2009 v Dagenham......attendance 4,108 (3841 home 277 away)
26/12/2011 v Burton Albion..attendance 5,044 (4454 home 590 away)


Thank you GPC. It's actually not as bad as I exepected.

Maybe you could answer a question I asked earlier (I don't want the info to use as a stick to beat anyone with, I just can't for the life of me remember when it was said and which manager was in charge) When did Cardoza say "This will never happen again" About us nearly dropping out of the league?
Thanks again GPC.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on December 28, 2014, 09:43:08 am
There was one family I noticed that were absent today
A true mark of the man...... :-X


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 03, 2015, 21:23:35 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 17, 2015, 21:14:56 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 17, 2015, 21:56:56 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat

The gallant 4000


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 20, 2015, 14:50:25 pm
The gallant 4000

More like the "gallant 3000" surely?

Those home fan numbers include VIP's, Corporate and Hospitality attendees, visiting scouts, referees friends etc, then add on the kids from the schools and you're left with nearer 3000 loyals.....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: southofthecounty on January 20, 2015, 15:09:14 pm
More like the "gallant 3000" surely?referees friends etc,
Surely if referees had friends, they wouldn't choose to be a referee.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 20, 2015, 15:12:52 pm
Surely if referees had friends, they wouldn't choose to be a referee.

 ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 20, 2015, 15:53:01 pm
Last home game I was sat behind a guy who was on a freebie as his mate was running the line (west stand side in 2nd half).


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 24, 2015, 22:33:41 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 24, 2015, 22:45:05 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:

Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat

Bet there was an anti Club bias in these figures ;D ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on January 24, 2015, 23:04:53 pm
If they keep playing like they did today than these figures are sure to soon go shooting up.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on January 25, 2015, 00:44:44 am
A bit surprised it was a smaller crowd than against Daggers.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 25, 2015, 08:34:50 am
I wasn't there for one...who were the eight others?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 25, 2015, 08:42:49 am
Last week I went with my Uncle & cousin from Lincoln with my cousin's boyfriend and 2 mates and one of their partner's little boy. Of those only I went this week so that accounts for another 7, although I went with someone else so a nett difference of 6. We've nearly cracked it; 2 more needed.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: CordwainerBill on January 25, 2015, 08:49:34 am
What is the actual capacity as it stands now? my guess is the east used to hold about 1500 so I'm assuming about 6000.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 25, 2015, 08:51:48 am
Think the east held 1700 so reduced capacity of 5900 (ish)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: HertsCobbler on January 25, 2015, 08:55:15 am
Let's blame the Saints - a handful may have plumped for the rugby and a few may have been scared by the traffic!

I was well on M1 by time Saints game finished.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 25, 2015, 09:53:30 am
Before kick off the traffic is abysmal for saints clashes.

After, the 15 minute delay in their game finishing is just long enough for the majority of the Cobblers crowd to clear.

Agree it must put people off, and I still advocate more Friday night games at Sixfields.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 25, 2015, 10:02:08 am
Would be great to get a huge crowd in for our next home games, we are on a roll and our next few games are also very winnable!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 25, 2015, 11:20:45 am
Before kick off the traffic is abysmal for saints clashes.

After, the 15 minute delay in their game finishing is just long enough for the majority of the Cobblers crowd to clear.

Agree it must put people off, and I still advocate more Friday night games at Sixfields.
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I hit the back of the queue on Mereway at 2:20 and parked up in duston mill car park at 2:48, getting away afterwards was pretty quick, no worse than if the saints hadnt been playing.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 07, 2015, 16:39:34 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 08, 2015, 13:52:03 pm
No real upturn in crowds, despite the winning run and new players.

Meanwhile 15,000 people (of which 2/3 were supporting the home side) attended a game in Milton Keynes yesterday. Yet people still say that Milton Keynes have not impacted our casual supporter base.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on February 08, 2015, 14:13:52 pm
No real upturn in crowds, despite the winning run and new players.

Meanwhile 15,000 people (of which 2/3 were supporting the home side) attended a game in Milton Keynes yesterday. Yet people still say that Milton Keynes have not impacted our casual supporter base.

and those people would be right.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 08, 2015, 15:28:48 pm
No real upturn in crowds, despite the winning run and new players.



Since the Southend game at the start of January we have seen a 10% increase in home support since the winning run.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 08, 2015, 16:30:00 pm
and those people would be right.

How do you work that out?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: j20cobbler on February 08, 2015, 16:50:05 pm
How do you work that out?
I was wondering that as well.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on February 08, 2015, 17:02:30 pm
Easy. If Milton Keynes Dons didn't exist I don't believe a single supporter at that game would have jumped on the train to watch Northampton v Morecambe.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on February 08, 2015, 17:09:02 pm
There are quite a few that have switched to mk other than cobblers, no way of knowing for sure but I'd wager that if mk didn't exist we would have had a few more yesterday.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on February 08, 2015, 17:20:07 pm
Easy. If Milton Keynes Dons didn't exist I don't believe a single supporter at that game would have jumped on the train to watch Northampton v Morecambe.

Milton Keynes isn't the issue now, we've lost most of them by now. It's places like Towcester, Stoke Bruene, Hartwell, Newport Pagnell etc etc that were natural Cobblers supporters that are MK now.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on February 08, 2015, 17:21:03 pm
Attendance figures don't back you up.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on February 08, 2015, 17:27:26 pm
MK Lightning have took 4 supporters on a couple of occasions this season. Sadly the kids prefer it but thankfully it's about £20 cheaper and usually more fun. I'll stick to the night matches, much cheaper!
We need a £30 family ticket.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on February 08, 2015, 17:31:54 pm
Attendance figures don't back you up.

I understand that and as I was typing the villages out they didn't strike me as being hotbeds of football support. In the long term you've got to admit if a youngster in that area asked about going to a game then the obvious choice has to be MK when previously it would have been The Cobblers.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on February 08, 2015, 17:39:13 pm
You talk about football supporters like they are shoppers. If Asda closes down, they'll go to Tesco. They are not like that. If the Cobblers didn't exist, I wouldn't go anywhere, not unless another Northampton club rose from the ashes. People have to buy food, they don't have to go to football matches.

Our average now has been much the same as it has since we've been back in the bottom division. That average is higher than in the six seasons before we moved to Sixfields and in all but two of the 16 years before the move. That was before the wall to wall football on TV you can get nowadays.

Historically our crowds are holding up well, I expect our average this season will continue to grow with the likes of Portsmouth, Luton, Cambridge and Wycombe coming up, though of course our reduced capacity will hit that a little.

If we were second in League 1 playing the top team who were bringing 5,000 supporters and had the capacity to accommodate a 15,000 crowd then I'm sure we could do so.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on February 08, 2015, 17:40:47 pm
I understand that and as I was typing the villages out they didn't strike me as being hotbeds of football support. In the long term you've got to admit if a youngster in that area asked about going to a game then the obvious choice has to be MK when previously it would have been The Cobblers.

That would surely depend on the person taking them?

If Northampton didn't exist and the grandson wanted to watch on a regular basis, I'd probably take him to Arsenal.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on February 08, 2015, 17:47:04 pm
You talk about football supporters like they are shoppers. If Asda closes down, they'll go to Tesco. They are not like that. If the Cobblers didn't exist, I wouldn't go anywhere, not unless another Northampton club rose from the ashes. People have to buy food, they don't have to go to football matches.

Have you never been to watch a game where Northampton were not playing?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on February 08, 2015, 17:54:53 pm
Have you never been to watch a game where Northampton were not playing?

Yes, I've completed the 92 on several occasions.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on February 08, 2015, 18:01:51 pm
Yes, I've completed the 92 on several occasions.

When I moved to Wolverhampton for a few years, I was watching Wolverhampton more regurlarly than I was watching the Cobblers (£5/£10 student tickets). Given the choice, I would always choose to watch football than not watch football - I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way, and any neutrals moving between ourselves and MK will more than likely choose to go MK.

I very much doubt this will be high numbers, however I am very sure MK will affect our crowds. As do the Saints playing at the same time as us!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on February 08, 2015, 18:27:40 pm
Well it's all relative. You could argue that the demise of Rushden & Diamonds must have helped our gates?

We have supporters travelling from all over the country to watch our home games, I personally sit next to a family that travel down from Leigh for EVERY GAME. That's got to be an over 250 mile round trip and a lot further than Wolverhampton. I'm sure they could have found a club closer but that's not what true supporters do, you stick by your club or you give it up all together, otherwise we might as well all go and support Chelsea.

People born and bred in Milton Keynes SHOULD support MK Dons, it's their natural home, their local team. We were fortunate there were no league clubs in that area, now there is. I'd say we've lost potential supporters, not many because like I said the London clubs are only an hour away but we haven't lost any of our real supporters and if we have, I wouldn't want that type of person anyway.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on February 08, 2015, 18:38:01 pm
You talk about football supporters like they are shoppers. If Asda closes down, they'll go to Tesco. They are not like that. If the Cobblers didn't exist, I wouldn't go anywhere, not unless another Northampton club rose from the ashes. People have to buy food, they don't have to go to football matches.

Our average now has been much the same as it has since we've been back in the bottom division. That average is higher than in the six seasons before we moved to Sixfields and in all but two of the 16 years before the move. That was before the wall to wall football on TV you can get nowadays.

Historically our crowds are holding up well, I expect our average this season will continue to grow with the likes of Portsmouth, Luton, Cambridge and Wycombe coming up, though of course our reduced capacity will hit that a little.

If we were second in League 1 playing the top team who were bringing 5,000 supporters and had the capacity to accommodate a 15,000 crowd then I'm sure we could do so.
But the Asda/Tesco analogy is from your age and perspective. Alton spoke of 'youngsters' from those areas choosing...which very much is a pick and choose game for the majority. Of course, should dad be a dye in the wool fan of a particular club, then that will have a great bearing on things...unfortunately, most dad's aren't, with each year that goes by, themselves being reared on a diet of 'Prem on SKY'.
Think very few Cobblers have downed tools and deserted to the Plastics, but concern for the future fanbase from traditional areas of Stoney, Wolverton, Newport etc must be there.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on February 08, 2015, 18:44:53 pm
But the Asda/Tesco analogy is from your age and perspective. Alton spoke of 'youngsters' from those areas choosing...which very much is a pick and choose game for the majority. Of course, should dad be a dye in the wool fan of a particular club, then that will have a great bearing on things...unfortunately, most dad's aren't, with each year that goes by, themselves being reared on a diet of 'Prem on SKY'.
Think very few Cobblers have downed tools and deserted to the Plastics, but concern for the future fanbase from traditional areas of Stoney, Wolverton, Newport etc must be there.

My analogy has nothing to do with age or perspective, it was to do with people HAVING to buy food but not HAVING to go to a football match.

There are over 200,000 people living in Northampton, only 4,000 of those currently CHOOSE to spend their Saturday afternoon at Sixfields watching the Cobblers. I would respectfully suggest that there is far more potential in attracting those that currently live in this town than from a few from 20 miles away (or so).


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on February 08, 2015, 18:46:33 pm
Our Sixfields crowds haven't grown with the population of Northants though, which is now over 700,000.
As Marvo says, it's not like shopping. It's too expensive for many to afford and/or justify to watch league 2 football regardless of your affinity.
Plus we're clearly a rugby town...  :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on February 08, 2015, 18:56:30 pm

There are over 200,000 people living in Northampton, only 4,000 of those currently CHOOSE to spend their Saturday afternoon at Sixfields watching the Cobblers. I would respectfully suggest that there is far more potential in attracting those that currently live in this town than from a few from 20 miles away (or so).

This bit is correct Cool Cat but if we were in the Championship and MK in L1 then the "choice" becomes more credible. From the floating/undecided supporters, potential or otherwise, playing sides like Morecombe etc is hardly an incentive. We should worry about attracting more of our own.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 08, 2015, 18:58:40 pm
Not sure it matters where they come from as long as they hand over their £20s


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on February 08, 2015, 19:06:12 pm
This bit is correct Cool Cat but if we were in the Championship and MK in L1 then the "choice" becomes more credible. From the floating/undecided supporters, potential or otherwise, playing sides like Morecombe etc is hardly an incentive. We should worry about attracting more of our own.
But then we would need a larger stadium to honour their choice...I'll get my coat!  :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tcobb on February 08, 2015, 19:13:41 pm
If you look at the growth of the Town of Northampton vs the attendance figures, it appears that the size of the population has little effect on the size of the crowds.
In fact, out of the five I go with who have season tickets, the nearest anyone lives is 8 miles away from Northampton. A lot of people I talk to on match days don't live in the Town at all.
It seems that if you live in the Town and support the Cobblers you are in the minority.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on February 08, 2015, 20:07:25 pm
But then we would need a larger stadium to honour their choice...I'll get my coat!  :P

Ah but you are putting the horse before the cart .............I'll get my coat too!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 22, 2015, 11:44:19 am
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on February 22, 2015, 13:43:20 pm
Interesting, stats here shows our crowds over the last 10 years have slowly dropped

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/nort.htm



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 22, 2015, 14:27:02 pm
I could have told you that. We used to get 53/55 now it's around 43/45


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on February 22, 2015, 14:45:51 pm
Alright grumpy, who put 50p in you this morning!!

Still got a chance of having our biggest average attendance for 4 or 5 years, especially with Cambridge, Luton and Portsmouth still to come and our excellent current form. Only negative is we will only be able to sell 980 away seats as there is no East Stand over spill.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Gen.Disorda on February 22, 2015, 15:10:04 pm
Dropping out of LEague one will have knocked a few off the home gates, but it also drops the away gate to sub 50 some times


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 22, 2015, 15:21:08 pm
Only 900 away fans allowed in, at least that's what Pompey have been allocated. Considering there's only room for 4850 home fans we should have a few sell outs if we continue to entertain!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on February 22, 2015, 15:22:19 pm
Interesting, stats here shows our crowds over the last 10 years have slowly dropped

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/nort.htm



IMO football has changed massively over the past generation. In terms of choice there are now numerous options for entertainment (especially for families) and I personally think football has fallen way behind in recognising that it needs to adapt. I don't think it's a coincidence that our Wembley support was so dramatically different less than 20 years apart.
At the top end its not far off being a £60+ corporate day out. Any visit to Arsenal, Chelsea or United confirms that. At the bottom end a £60 family trip to watch league two football is unjustifiable. A trip to the cinema, ice hockey, basketball, even a theme park on deals is far better VFM. Maybe more importantly they all try a lot harder to make it an enjoyable experience.
The next couple of generations will really test the longevity of lower league football in its current pricing structure. As for the top flight, that died years ago in terms of being a magical and atmospheric day out.


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Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 22, 2015, 18:45:25 pm
Plus many people from South northants/bucks are now getting their football fix at stadium mk.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on February 22, 2015, 19:27:23 pm
IMO football has changed massively over the past generation. In terms of choice there are now numerous options for entertainment (especially for families) and I personally think football has fallen way behind in recognising that it needs to adapt. I don't think it's a coincidence that our Wembley support was so dramatically different less than 20 years apart.
At the top end its not far off being a £60+ corporate day out. Any visit to Arsenal, Chelsea or United confirms that. At the bottom end a £60 family trip to watch league two football is unjustifiable. A trip to the cinema, ice hockey, basketball, even a theme park on deals is far better VFM. Maybe more importantly they all try a lot harder to make it an enjoyable experience.
The next couple of generations will really test the longevity of lower league football in its current pricing structure. As for the top flight, that died years ago in terms of being a magical and atmospheric day out.

In the 80s it was £8 for the main stand and £5 for the Hotel End - that's equivalent to £22 and £15 in today's money.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on February 22, 2015, 19:50:06 pm
In the 80s it was £8 for the main stand and £5 for the Hotel End - that's equivalent to £22 and £15 in today's money.
That would be late 80s though...remember paying my first visit to Highfield Rd in 81/82 season...
( old) Div 1 v Notts County, 8,102 from what remember but, was a then extortinate £5 entrance to their newly (first in England) all seated stadium. Think Hotel End was around £2.50 in those days.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on February 22, 2015, 20:23:41 pm
That would be late 80s though...remember paying my first visit to Highfield Rd in 81/82 season...
( old) Div 1 v Notts County, 8,102 from what remember but, was a then extortinate £5 entrance to their newly (first in England) all seated stadium. Think Hotel End was around £2.50 in those days.

That's interesting, I can't for the life of me remember how much it was in those days. The £5 you were charged at Coventry works out to around £22 in today's money so they were ahead of their time.
I took the prices from the photograph of Len Dainty in the other thread, it shows them in the background but only describes the date as the 80s. Of course, there was proper inflation in the early 80s so I guess the prices for 1980 were a lot different to 1989.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on February 23, 2015, 18:34:30 pm
Also interesting, by chance the cover photo of the latest Hotel Enders fanzine shows Abington Avenue with a Main Stand admission of £2.50! Guess around 78/79 time...when I first went in 79, the Hotel End was £1.90.
The blog. photo also shows OB outside turnstiles with yellow hi viz jackets...sure they didn't hit the scene till around at least 85 time.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 23, 2015, 19:01:51 pm
That's interesting, I can't for the life of me remember how much it was in those days. The £5 you were charged at Coventry works out to around £22 in today's money so they were ahead of their time.
I took the prices from the photograph of Len Dainty in the other thread, it shows them in the background but only describes the date as the 80s. Of course, there was proper inflation in the early 80s so I guess the prices for 1980 were a lot different to 1989.


In that photo it looks like the Hotel End was £6 to get in, with a £4 price for Senior Citizens and Unemployed.

I seem to remember when I first started going in 1982/83 (or around that time) the Hotel End price was £3.60


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on February 23, 2015, 19:04:53 pm
Well the Luton game will be a sell out.
I know plenty of Luton fans who have got tickets....
For the North stand!!!
There will be up to two thousand travelling so with only 900 tickets there will be literally hundreds in the home ends....
Could be cobblers fans unable to get in.
Should be an atmosphere for once!!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 23, 2015, 20:12:56 pm
plenty = 2


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 23, 2015, 20:13:29 pm
up to two thousand = up to 900


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on February 23, 2015, 20:25:27 pm

I seem to remember when I first started going in 1982/83 (or around that time) the Hotel End price was £3.60

Used to queue at the Kop (Anfield) from about 1:30pm at the turn of the 80's. Cash only £3.
I can remember my ST for the County Ground being around £70 in the early 80's. That was as a junior so it's not much more now.
It's not just about the money, the world is a very different place. I can't think of much else I'd be doing back then. Maybe 10 pin bowling in Coventry or ice skating in Solihull!



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on February 24, 2015, 11:32:06 am
up to two thousand = up to 900
There will be hundreds in the home end.
They've been taking a couple of thousand to places like Oxford.
Your very naive if you think that Luton fans aren't already buying tickets for this game because they are!!
They have over 3500 season ticket holders!!!
2000 into 900 doesn't go.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 24, 2015, 11:56:36 am
You have to be on the database to buy tickets. Bedfordshire addresses would flag up. I even got an email to tell me I'd bought tickets for Mansfield away.
If there's over 1000 Luton fans in the home end I'll let you stay, if they're isn't then you leave the board forever. Deal?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 24, 2015, 12:12:51 pm
Aside from any fans who may be in the home end, I hope that the redevelopment will sort out our away capacity so that we can accommodate (and earn the £££ from) large away followings.

Regardless of the East Stand closure, in the next few weeks we are likely to have insufficient capacity for Portsmouth, Luton, Cambridge and Wycombe  fans.

Hopefully DC's comment about having at least 2,000 away seats will come to pass, as we must be losing a good £40k in ticket sales alone on those games.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 24, 2015, 12:19:15 pm
There will be hundreds in the home end.
They've been taking a couple of thousand to places like Oxford.
Your very naive if you think that Luton fans aren't already buying tickets for this game because they are!!
They have over 3500 season ticket holders!!!
2000 into 900 doesn't go.

801 to Mansfield, 829 to Wimbledon, 2264 to Oxford, 1282 to Cheltnum, 802 to Plymouth.
It's a good following, it will not be so good when the novelty wears off and they are at the wrong end of whichever Division they are in.
 
If they bring more than the South can hold it will be money into our budget, in seats that would have been empty, watching their team get stuffed.

Which stand are you buying your ticket in?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on February 24, 2015, 14:09:41 pm
801 to Mansfield, 829 to Wimbledon, 2264 to Oxford, 1282 to Cheltnum, 802 to Plymouth.
It's a good following, it will not be so good when the novelty wears off and they are at the wrong end of whichever Division they are in.
 
If they bring more than the South can hold it will be money into our budget, in seats that would have been empty, watching their team get stuffed.

Which stand are you buying your ticket in?
East stand.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 24, 2015, 14:30:13 pm
East stand.

Free entry for ball boys, don't forget your hard hat and hi-vis.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 24, 2015, 18:06:57 pm
I hope they are in the home areas. All the more money for us/the club...



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 03, 2015, 19:46:40 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ajp on March 03, 2015, 21:35:02 pm
Bit disappointing that ! Seemed more there though tbh!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on March 03, 2015, 21:42:11 pm
Very surprised it was that low, its the fullest and loudest I have known it all season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 03, 2015, 21:51:07 pm
Must be the highest Tuesday night turnout for a long time though.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: County Cobbler on March 03, 2015, 21:52:29 pm
Over 400 up on last Tuesday game though!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: HertsCobbler on March 03, 2015, 22:19:00 pm
Seemed more Pompey fans as well


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on March 03, 2015, 22:45:32 pm
I'm sad, I checked the online ticket sales this morning and there were only 850 seats left, surely a couple of 100 didn't just not bother turning up, must have been over 5k


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 03, 2015, 22:53:04 pm
I'm sad, I checked the online ticket sales this morning and there were only 850 seats left, surely a couple of 100 didn't just not bother turning up, must have been over 5k

Stadium capacity 7,500 or so......... East Stand AWOL = 1900 less so current stadium capacity 5,600ish. -900 South Stand = 4700 home fans tickets available, actual home gate 4,073 so only 627 empty home seats. (roughly speaking)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on March 03, 2015, 22:54:50 pm
I thought the East stand capacity was 1700 though not 1900 so that's an extra 200.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 04, 2015, 04:44:23 am
A lot of kids have season tickets and it was a school night.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 04, 2015, 06:15:40 am
The attendance is worked out on turnstiles clicks, they a screen in the police box where you can see the ground filling up and how many people are in. I thought anyway. The days of the club screaming that we'd sold out only for they're to be 6400 in were over I thought. The only people not counted area those through the main entrance. So guests and corporate. Unless these are counted up and added to the computer counted total later?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 04, 2015, 07:25:19 am
A lot of kids have season tickets and it was a school night.

Yep, two empty seats next to me due to that.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 04, 2015, 14:50:24 pm
The attendance is worked out on turnstiles clicks, they a screen in the police box where you can see the ground filling up and how many people are in. I thought anyway. The days of the club screaming that we'd sold out only for they're to be 6400 in were over I thought. The only people not counted area those through the main entrance. So guests and corporate. Unless these are counted up and added to the computer counted total later?

I used to work in the control tower at Sixfields and saw the screen with the turnstile clicks/numbers so you could keep an eye on how the various stands were filling up. The guests/VIP's/press/directors/refs assessors/scouts and the like didn't go through the stiles so they used to add a number on to the actual readings to arrive at the "official" attendance. The figure to be added on was usually rounded up/down to the nearest 50, so for example they would add 250 on to arrive at the figure. Hardly hi-tec but I guess we aren't alone in doing that.

I've also noticed as a fan that the turnstiles sometimes click round twice when you do in, dependant on how long the operator keeps his/her foot on the pedal!

So the official attendance figure should be taken as a rough figure, but it's still got to be more accurate than the old County Ground cash turnstile days of "one for me and one for you"!! (allegedly)  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 04, 2015, 15:45:39 pm
I'm not sure there's any allegedly needed!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: County Cobbler on March 04, 2015, 15:52:23 pm
Yesterdays attendance inperspective, it was the highest in League 2 and higher than six matches in League 1!
Maybe we are doing a lot better than some think!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 04, 2015, 15:54:36 pm
Yesterdays attendance inperspective, it was the highest in League 2 and higher than six matches in League 1!
Maybe we are doing a lot better than some think!

Not doing us down but you seem to have overlooked the near 7000 crowd at Oxford......


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alfred on March 04, 2015, 16:14:43 pm
Over 400 up on last Tuesday game though!

That was all the Pompy fans in the Home End .....................


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 04, 2015, 17:24:54 pm
That was all the Pompy fans in the Home End .....................

I don't know why if any were in the home end, there were still many left and were still buying away tickets from Pompey late on Monday.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: County Cobbler on March 04, 2015, 17:59:09 pm
Not doing us down but you seem to have overlooked the near 7000 crowd at Oxford......
Scanned  the ALWAYS accurate Daily Mail who printed '624' !!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on March 04, 2015, 18:06:29 pm
Scanned  the ALWAYS accurate Daily Mail who printed '624' !!!

You were obviously looking at the illegal immigrants column!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on March 04, 2015, 18:44:03 pm
Not doing us down but you seem to have overlooked the near 7000 crowd at Oxford......
There's no way nearly 7000 were at the Kassam last night - and Oxford fans will readily tell you so, there's been more controversy over their attendances this season than our suspiciously low 4,900 last night!
OUFC, presumably to generate interest, for now and the future, not to mention artificially bolster crowds, thus luring those unaware into thinking that they have a larger fanbase than they do, give out around 2000 freebie tickets to schools around Oxfordshire. Obviously, not all are taken up (less than half it seems)...after all, spending a cold windswept night around Blackbird Leys for the pleasure of watching Morecambe, who can blame them!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on March 04, 2015, 19:19:47 pm
That was all the Pompy fans in the Home End .....................

Came as Pompey fans. Left as Cobblers.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 04, 2015, 19:37:03 pm
That was all the Pompy fans in the Home End .....................

 ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 04, 2015, 19:41:20 pm
There's no way nearly 7000 were at the Kassam last night - and Oxford fans will readily tell you so, there's been more controversy over their attendances this season than our suspiciously low 4,900 last night!
OUFC, presumably to generate interest, for now and the future, not to mention artificially bolster crowds, thus luring those unaware into thinking that they have a larger fanbase than they do, give out around 2000 freebie tickets to schools around Oxfordshire. Obviously, not all are taken up (less than half it seems)...after all, spending a cold windswept night around Blackbird Leys for the pleasure of watching Morecambe, who can blame them!

I did wonder! Especially at home to Morecambe on a Tuesday night. They took 51 fans there so 6900 would have been a hell of a turnout by the Poxford fans. Expect an amended figure to appear soon!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 04, 2015, 20:41:15 pm
I don't know why if any were in the home end, there were still many left and were still buying away tickets from Pompey late on Monday.

I don't tnink Portsmouth actually sold out the away end did they? I thought it held over 900.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 04, 2015, 20:49:11 pm
There was a few seats to the bottom left as you look at it empty, maybe fifteen or so. All in the same area though so maybe a minibus broke down en route or something.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 04, 2015, 20:58:13 pm
Our highest attendance this season is the lowest highest attendance for 24 years.

I'm sure the upcoming home game with Luton would have put that right IF we had the capacity.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on March 04, 2015, 21:07:55 pm
Our highest attendance this season is the lowest highest attendance for 24 years.

I'm sure the upcoming home game with Luton would have put that right IF we had the capacity.

Not totally sure what to make of it but that's quite a stat. 24 years!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 04, 2015, 21:15:59 pm
It's the second line that baffles me, we've just endured about 8 months of Marvo telling us we didn't need a large capacity


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 04, 2015, 21:32:21 pm
It's the second line that baffles me, we've just endured about 8 months of Marvo telling us we didn't need a large capacity

My first thought when I read it too!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 04, 2015, 22:34:06 pm
It's the second line that baffles me, we've just endured about 8 months of Marvo telling us we didn't need a large capacity

We didn't Karl, the one we had last year would have done just fine for now.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 14, 2015, 18:03:11 pm
Updated again:

2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 14, 2015, 23:12:36 pm
Very disappointing turn out today, considering our recent form and improved style of play.

As they say, it takes seconds to lose a customer and a very long time to bring them back...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 15, 2015, 08:21:21 am
Joking yes?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on March 15, 2015, 10:55:43 am
I thought it might have been a bit better too, it's getting to the stage of the season where when there's something at stake more casuals turn up, or is that only if we are at the bottom?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 15, 2015, 11:13:15 am
Look on the bright side. Based on percentage of capacity, this is the best season the club has had in years.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 15, 2015, 13:16:50 pm
Joking yes?

No, why would I be?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 15, 2015, 16:08:27 pm
I thought it might have been a bit better too, it's getting to the stage of the season where when there's something at stake more casuals turn up, or is that only if we are at the bottom?


Last season, 15th March, we were at home to Mansfield in front of 5,129 (4,385 home), the game finished 1-1 and we stayed in 23rd place.
This season, 14th March, we were at home to Tranmere in front of 4,428 (4,147 home), the game finished 1-0 and we stayed in 10th place.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Zen Master on March 15, 2015, 16:15:34 pm
Maybe the local paying public enjoy picking over the death throes more than celebrating success. Morbid curiosity winning over winning football.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on March 15, 2015, 16:35:48 pm
It is very strange that our home crowds haven't picked up this season. Top scorers in the league, 6 game winning streak at home, shooting up the table, playing good football yet it seem less home fans are watching? Why is this? Too expensive???


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 15, 2015, 16:38:14 pm
22 quid on the day? Most likely.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on March 15, 2015, 17:04:11 pm
Low crowd on Tuesday Vs Carlisle I bet. 3800 home fans and 50 away??


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 15, 2015, 17:07:28 pm
Lot of London based Carlisle fans but I don't know how many will travel given their current plight


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ajp on March 15, 2015, 17:11:33 pm
22 quid on the day? Most likely.

I know quite a few who simply WONT pay that for a league two fixture.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 15, 2015, 17:15:01 pm
It's difficult to persuade people to come along. "Wanna come Cobblers on Saturday? Leagues top scorers....all we do at home is win you know"
"Go on then. How much?"
"It's £22."
"What?"

And that is how it goes everytime. Apart from being able to use good form as a tease, that's new for 2015.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 15, 2015, 17:24:41 pm
22 quid on the day? Most likely.

Spur of the moment decision on Saturday, me, my eldest son (13) and my nephew (8 years old) paid on the day.....£42 thankyou very much!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 15, 2015, 17:47:39 pm
Problem is, we all want success, we all want to move up the leagues. How much do you reckon it would cost us to watch the Cobblers in the top flight?

Strikes me a lot of what you lot want would mean a lot of you wouldn't be seeing a lot of the Cobblers. More time to spend on the allotment I suppose, unless you win the lottery? Anyway, that's my lot on the subject.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on March 15, 2015, 18:09:33 pm
I don't think it helps that the East Stand is closed. How many of those forced to move decided not to bother going at all if they didn't like the alternatives on offer? Answer is we don't know but probably a few.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 15, 2015, 18:58:11 pm
I don't think it helps that the East Stand is closed. How many of those forced to move decided not to bother going at all if they didn't like the alternatives on offer? Answer is we don't know but probably a few.

Exactly, if as a business your premises looks like a half built building site, it hardly acts as a huge draw.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on March 15, 2015, 19:41:01 pm
Yesterday we were 10th going into the game. Won 15 drew 5 lost 15. A win would take us to...10th.

That's just not going to attract the floaters and fair weather fans. Added to that it was freezing. Plus our opponents were down the bottom and miles away so no interest as far as they were concerned.

I think our support base is very apathetic as well. Years of the same old, on and off the pitch. It's going to take it's toll.

A charge to the play offs will also bring back memories of 2 years ago...

This isn't the way I feel, far from it. But I suspect it's the way the less committed do.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: barnabas on March 15, 2015, 19:54:43 pm
Well I'm one of the disappeared.

I stopped going towards the end of last season. I was  fed up after Wembley and years of watching a poor team and convinced we were going finally going down, so I stopped going after Wimbledons last minute equaliser last season and then didnt renew my season ticket for this year by the early bird deadline.

I've been a few times this year, picking and choosing the odd game and using mates season tickets when they arent going,  but havent been since Christmas despite the upturn in form and the late push for the play offs.

Its a lot easier to stop going than it is to start back going again - with the main reason being the pay on the day price.

Have to say that the club havent done much to entice me back either - I've had no direct communication about season tickets for next season for example, despite being on the database.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 15, 2015, 20:42:30 pm
It's difficult to persuade people to come along. "Wanna come Cobblers on Saturday? Leagues top scorers....all we do at home is win you know"
"Go on then. How much?"
"It's £22."
"What?"

And that is how it goes everytime. Apart from being able to use good form as a tease, that's new for 2015.

I think using £22.00 is an excuse not a reason. Some prefer to buy a round of drinks or go out for meals , cinema etc - lot of it depends on your priorities in life.
It does not surprise me that attendances have flattened out this season. The Mansfield game last season is a good example of public awareness that the club was in dire straits. So the floaters rallied both Home and Away; its just that Supporters have a love/hate relationship with the Club.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on March 15, 2015, 21:03:58 pm
If the club announced at the start of the the season they were shutting the East Stand is there anyone who seriously thinks it wouldn't affect attendance?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 15, 2015, 21:46:04 pm
I'm a ST ticket holder, and still haven't received my renewal package through the post.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alfred on March 15, 2015, 22:01:16 pm
I'm a ST ticket holder, and still haven't received my renewal package through the post.

Maybe they are going to engage with you in a different way ??


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on March 15, 2015, 22:11:37 pm
Wembley wiped out most fair weather followers. That coupled with farce central on the redevelopment front and you get empty seats.


I was talking about our last Wembley visit the other day and realised how much interest was lost that day. After a £250 family day out I'm really not sure I could justify a repeat and would watch it on TV. I wouldn't have dreamt of that 3 years ago.
I'd rather they were played somewhere like Stadium Mk  >:D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 15, 2015, 22:18:33 pm
I was talking about our last Wembley visit the other day and realised how much interest was lost that day. After a £250 family day out I'm really not sure I could justify a repeat and would watch it on TV. I wouldn't have dreamt of that 3 years ago.
I'd rather they were played somewhere like Stadium Mk  >:D


We all had a bad day at Wembley - if I can get over it most other supporters should be able to. There are the bad times and good times; for many clubs it's part of being a supporter.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on March 15, 2015, 23:27:08 pm
We all had a bad day at Wembley - if I can get over it most other supporters should be able to. There are the bad times and good times; for many clubs it's part of being a supporter.

Exactly. If the Wembley performance extinguished the light it wasn't burning very brightly.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on March 15, 2015, 23:36:08 pm
I also had a few people that came to the Wembley fiasco that wouldn't repeat it 2 years later in the same league at similar prices I'm always astounded by the pricing for the league 2 final too as when has it ever been close to being full for it.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 16, 2015, 04:08:37 am
It's a gift I have to ensure that some on here believe I am thicker than they are. It works more often than not!

That's true. I don't know anybody on here who doesn't believe you are thicker than they are, so well done.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: MKMal on March 16, 2015, 04:31:19 am
I'm a ST ticket holder, and still haven't received my renewal package through the post.

Nor have I but I have already bought my season ticket for next year. I didn't have to wait for a personal invitation from the club.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 16, 2015, 07:02:44 am
Well maybe if more did get personal invitations then crowds would be up. 10p phone call could be worth 300 quid


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 16, 2015, 08:12:00 am
Nor have I but I have already bought my season ticket for next year. I didn't have to wait for a personal invitation from the club.

I got an invite this time around but didn't last year for some reason, despite being a season ticket holder for years, so they do need to work on their comms. They always seem to have the best intentions but slip up on the little things that make you feel valued; for example I recently arranged for my daughter's birthday to be read out at a game which would have meant the world to her. Yes, no problem, they said in a very friendly exchange of emails. Did they read it out? Did they bollocks.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 16, 2015, 09:00:05 am
On the other side of the coin, since I renewed a few weeks ago, I've been inundated with emails from the club, so much so I'm thinking of marking them as spam!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on March 16, 2015, 09:15:26 am
I got over it. Just. But then I've been going for years. The 10+ other people that joined me that day laughed at the shyte that was served up and swore never to waste their money on us again. They would have made up some of the casual support we are alluding to.... I'm not sure that I've ever encountered anyone who has such a staggering ability to be able to miss the point by the margins you regularly achieve.

Wembley did insurmountable damage to the clubs ability to attract the floating fan. Spot on.

Friends and family will not be going with me this year if we get there. It wasn't just the farce of the performance, it was the hostile atmosphere created by it. I had a row with someone who was sat behind me when we went 3-0 down who had a baby. I was swearing like a trooper, being drunk meant I saw things even worse than they were...probably! Of course the point I made time and time again was that I was in the singing section and not the family enclosure. There were pockets of discontentment all over the stadium in our end, handbags being thrown all over the place between drunken 'proper fans' and those having a day out. Fortunately for me, my father in law and his mates agreed with me post match but would they come again? Would they fcuk!

Our support this May if we make it will be circa 10,000.
Tops.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on March 16, 2015, 09:20:38 am
Bet you were sat near me then as just along from me there was an argument about language, although when the other party used bad language too I think the argument was lost.
I had the most boring people ever sat behind me who moaned at me everytime I tried to sing something and obviously in a singing section I was stood up which didn't go down well  ;D
I reckon we would still get about 20k but that is such a shame. Imagine a Luton vs Portsmouth final (I know its not happening) surely that would be the biggest attendance for a league 2 play off final ever. Or imagine Stevenage vs Newport haha


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on March 16, 2015, 09:29:49 am
Sounds familiar. When she was telling me off she made the point that my language was fcuking shocking and that she had a baby with her! As you say, at that point the argument was definitely lost. I did make up with her boyfriend/husband though who was a familiar face, a few moments after we had agreed to have a fight!! She disappeared for the 2nd half!

My mrs was getting quite upset as well, our group all ended up losing each other afterwards as well and had to meet up at Bedford including my wife who had to get a train on her own after her mobile went flat. What could have gone wrong that day went wrong!

They just didn't believe me when I said that was the worst 30 minutes at the start of a game I had probably ever witnessed, they think it's standard fair. Given the occasion it was crazy. Our end just were not up for it either, even before a ball was kicked. The complete opposite to 97 and 98.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: southofthecounty on March 16, 2015, 09:34:21 am
The thing is, since that loss Bradford have not done too shabbily against bigger clubs than ours have they? This has added a sense of some perspective on that day for me.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 16, 2015, 10:03:16 am
Wembley was a disaster from the moment we entered the turnstiles to the moment we left.

The "singing section" was a total fiasco, with kids and grannies in there not having a clue that they had bought tickets in the supposedly more vociferous section of our support.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on March 16, 2015, 10:04:33 am
Sounds familiar. When she was telling me off she made the point that my language was fcuking shocking and that she had a baby with her! As you say, at that point the argument was definitely lost. I did make up with her boyfriend/husband though who was a familiar face, a few moments after we had agreed to have a fight!! She disappeared for the 2nd half!

My mrs was getting quite upset as well, our group all ended up losing each other afterwards as well and had to meet up at Bedford including my wife who had to get a train on her own after her mobile went flat. What could have gone wrong that day went wrong!

Yep you were definitely near me then as they moved for the second half despite you and the guy (called Steve) making up. Such an anticlimactic day for all the regulars that heated exchanges were inevitable, not something a casual fan would understand.

They just didn't believe me when I said that was the worst 30 minutes at the start of a game I had probably ever witnessed, they think it's standard fair. Given the occasion it was crazy. Our end just were not up for it either, even before a ball was kicked. The complete opposite to 97 and 98.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on March 16, 2015, 12:04:03 pm
It's one of those horrible afternoons that will stay with all of us and haunt the club forever.

Reading through these posts and thinking about it now makes it even more important in my mind that we get back there as soon as we can and exorcise a few ghosts. Get 'that' Wembley out of our system and replace it with the one we all wanted first time round. Who cares if we only take 10,000 it couldn't possibly be any worse and those that are likely to be 'up' for it will still be there.

Get back, do it again and do it f*cking right. It's the only way we'll be able to shake it off.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 16, 2015, 12:12:49 pm
Wembley was bloody awful. I went with a few football-but-non-cobblers supporting friends and family. Having followed us home and away all season and with a lot invested in the game the last thing you need as the third goal went in is a) your mates taking the piss, laughing and joking and asking for their money back or b) your step son on the verge of tears after getting really excited about going to his first ever football match. I got both.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 16, 2015, 13:18:05 pm
It's one of those horrible afternoons that will stay with all of us and haunt the club forever.

Reading through these posts and thinking about it now makes it even more important in my mind that we get back there as soon as we can and exorcise a few ghosts. Get 'that' Wembley out of our system and replace it with the one we all wanted first time round. Who cares if we only take 10,000 it couldn't possibly be any worse and those that are likely to be 'up' for it will still be there.

Get back, do it again and do it f*cking right. It's the only way we'll be able to shake it off.

Right attitude. If we do make the play offs against all expectations then at least some of the lost support may come back. All this crying about the last Wembley outing -we still have a club; we have some decent players and we have a reasonable Manager. It is up to us to forgive and forget and come back even harder.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 16, 2015, 13:20:31 pm
Exactly. If the Wembley performance extinguished the light it wasn't burning very brightly.

I am glad somebody gets the point made about last Wembley outing.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 16, 2015, 13:23:18 pm
That's true. I don't know anybody on here who doesn't believe you are thicker than they are, so well done.

Like I said ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on March 16, 2015, 13:35:36 pm
I spent the first 10 minutes taking in the architecture, then after having a bit to drink, needed the toilet and missed the first goal. 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 16, 2015, 13:39:04 pm
I spent the first 10 minutes taking in the architecture, then after having a bit to drink, needed the toilet and missed the first goal. 

 ;D unlucky then :-\


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 16, 2015, 15:30:52 pm
There are around 692000 people in the county of Northamptonshire and over 200,000 in the town itself.
If I was involved in the running of the club I'd be asking myself why only 4000 people bother turning up at six fields.
Rather than worry about the current customer base they should be asking the fans who no longer attend/who have never bothered attending why this is.
They should then change things for the better.
Bristol is roughly twice the size of Northampton but can sustain two clubs with a combined average attendance of around 18,000.
Luton has a population roughly 25,000 more than Northampton but the average attendance is over 7,300.
Basically very few people in the county give two hoots about the cobblers and if anything has been done to address this by the current board in the last decade or so it clearly hasn't worked.
Years of mediocrity take their toll on people's perception of the club and rightly or wrongly most of the county look upon the club as a two Bob tinpot club.
The Wembley fiasco and ongoing stadium farce do nothing to dispel this notion.
The fact is the cobblers are not an attractive proposition to the county in general and lack the basic level of support from the local area to ever be a successful sustainable club.
Where there should be pride there is apathy.
THIS is what the club needs to address in my opinion.
They need to ask the difficult questions and act upon the feedback.
Then and only then will they achieve a creditable and more importantly sustainable fan base going forward.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 16, 2015, 15:32:50 pm
Unfortunately credibility isn't the current chairman's strong point.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 16, 2015, 15:52:09 pm
There are around 692000 people in the county of Northamptonshire and over 200,000 in the town itself.
If I was involved in the running of the club I'd be asking myself why only 4000 people bother turning up at six fields.
Rather than worry about the current customer base they should be asking the fans who no longer attend/who have never bothered attending why this is.
They should then change things for the better.
Bristol is roughly twice the size of Northampton but can sustain two clubs with a combined average attendance of around 18,000.
Luton has a population roughly 25,000 more than Northampton but the average attendance is over 7,300.
Basically very few people in the county give two hoots about the cobblers and if anything has been done to address this by the current board in the last decade or so it clearly hasn't worked.
Years of mediocrity take their toll on people's perception of the club and rightly or wrongly most of the county look upon the club as a two Bob tinpot club.
The Wembley fiasco and ongoing stadium farce do nothing to dispel this notion.
The fact is the cobblers are not an attractive proposition to the county in general and lack the basic level of support from the local area to ever be a successful sustainable club.
Where there should be pride there is apathy.
THIS is what the club needs to address in my opinion.
They need to ask the difficult questions and act upon the feedback.
Then and only then will they achieve a creditable and more importantly sustainable fan base going forward.

Agree with most of this to be fair. However I don't think a lot can be done to grow the fanbase without playing at a higher level. I think past experiences have shown that if the product is there the people will come out to play! I'm talking about the old Div 1 days with crowds of over 20000, the marauding Carr team with 11000, the two play off finals with 32k then 41k, all of which were acheived with a smaller population than we have now. Northampton is growing by the day yet you're right we are seen by many as a 4th division tin-pot club, and because we've always been such we are destined to stay as such!! Thats the mentality of most I feel.

But use the Saints as an example, major investment on AND off the pitch = enhanced product on AND off the pitch = higher attendances and higher interest! I don't buy this "Northampton is a rugby town" rubbish! It may have been a rugby town for the last 10 years of its 2500 years, but it's hardly surprising the locals would prefer to spend their hard-earned watching a top European rugby club over a fourth-tier run of the mill football club.

I firmly believe that if the product is right, ie Championship football team, then there's no reason why The Cobblers and the Saints can't exist side by side on an equal stature and footing. Charging a bit less money to get in, reducing the price of the hot dogs, painting the exit gates claret instead of blue isn't going to make a jot of difference, getting it right on the pitch will, and maybe getting it right on the pitch at the expense of the off the pitch business to begin with. Better players and winning team over big screens and new seats any day IMO!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on March 16, 2015, 15:57:28 pm
Wembley did insurmountable damage to the clubs ability to attract the floating fan. Spot on.

Friends and family will not be going with me this year if we get there. It wasn't just the farce of the performance, it was the hostile atmosphere created by it. I had a row with someone who was sat behind me when we went 3-0 down who had a baby. I was swearing like a trooper, being drunk meant I saw things even worse than they were...probably! Of course the point I made time and time again was that I was in the singing section and not the family enclosure. There were pockets of discontentment all over the stadium in our end, handbags being thrown all over the place between drunken 'proper fans' and those having a day out. Fortunately for me, my father in law and his mates agreed with me post match but would they come again? Would they fcuk!

Our support this May if we make it will be circa 10,000.
Tops.
Absolutely!
My girlfriend and I ended up laying into some smart arse 'Arsenal' daytrippers, laughing at Bayo, our ineptitude and generally anything NTFC.
Apart from the Euston Tap and twenty seven renditions of the Stone Roses late evening...a bad day at office!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on March 16, 2015, 16:01:39 pm
Sounds familiar. When she was telling me off she made the point that my language was fcuking shocking and that she had a baby with her! As you say, at that point the argument was definitely lost. I did make up with her boyfriend/husband though who was a familiar face, a few moments after we had agreed to have a fight!! She disappeared for the 2nd half!

My mrs was getting quite upset as well, our group all ended up losing each other afterwards as well and had to meet up at Bedford including my wife who had to get a train on her own after her mobile went flat. What could have gone wrong that day went wrong!

They just didn't believe me when I said that was the worst 30 minutes at the start of a game I had probably ever witnessed, they think it's standard fair. Given the occasion it was crazy. Our end just were not up for it either, even before a ball was kicked. The complete opposite to 97 and 98.
1. Don't take an effing baby to a game - certainly not one of such magnitude...will struggle to get served, thus ruining the day.

2. Wizzard of a baby to recognise expletives at such a tender age!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 16, 2015, 16:12:42 pm
A winning team will bring in the punters (eventually). There is no greater incentive, everything else is peripheral.

Luton's home record over the past 6 seasons

Won 82, Drew 28 Lost 22.

In case you've forgotten, Luton's ground is a complete shithole.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cordwainer2 on March 16, 2015, 16:19:48 pm
But there is huge latent interest. An ex editor of the Chron told me that the one thing guaranteed to sell papers was a big game for the Cobblers. Far more than Saints or Cricket. He thought that most interested in the Saints actually go whereas lots of people who never go to Cobblers matches, like my brother, care deeply.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 16, 2015, 16:37:45 pm
Northampton is growing by the day yet you're right we are seen by many as a 4th division tin-pot club, and because we've always been such we are destined to stay as such!! Thats the mentality of most I feel.



Unfortunately I think many of the fans who do go think of us as this. With the "oh well, we've always been a bit rubbish so that's the way it is' mentality.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 16, 2015, 16:38:32 pm
But there is huge latent interest. An ex editor of the Chron told me that the one thing guaranteed to sell papers was a big game for the Cobblers. Far more than Saints or Cricket. He thought that most interested in the Saints actually go whereas lots of people who never go to Cobblers matches, like my brother, care deeply.
And as I've said what is being done to address fans such as your brother,not so much an offer of a cheap ticket for him to attend but an attempt to find out why the community doesn't attend matches at six fields.
Maybe they could ask for feedback from newspaper appeals etc.
I've always said the cobblers have the potential to be a large club but now I'm beginning to doubt it.
As Marvos rightly points out a successful team should generate a decent expanding fan base.
Not in the case of the cobblers,they have lost over 20% of their average attendance from league one days.
My personal opinion are that fans have heard it all before for at least twenty five years and have no belief the cobblers will ever be anything other than a minor lower league club and so won't buy into it.
The stadium shambles adds more flames to the fire and the whole scenario is one of self fulfilling prophecy.
There must be root and branch reasons why so many people don't follow ntfc and its my belief that these reasons are not looked into let alone addressed by the club for fear of hearing some home truths.
The town continues to expand as does the county and yet it appears impossible to entice anyone to repeatedly attend matches at sixfields.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 16, 2015, 18:31:22 pm
We go up, the ground is finished, then the crowd will be back to the same numbers we had last time in League 1, of that I have little doubt.

Our average crowd was less than 3,000 several times in the 1980's, if we compared today with that we're doing fine. I'm not concerned with attendances, just results.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 16, 2015, 19:37:50 pm
And as I've said what is being done to address fans such as your brother,not so much an offer of a cheap ticket for him to attend but an attempt to find out why the community doesn't attend matches at six fields.
Maybe they could ask for feedback from newspaper appeals etc.
I've always said the cobblers have the potential to be a large club but now I'm beginning to doubt it.
As Marvos rightly points out a successful team should generate a decent expanding fan base.
Not in the case of the cobblers,they have lost over 20% of their average attendance from league one days.
My personal opinion are that fans have heard it all before for at least twenty five years and have no belief the cobblers will ever be anything other than a minor lower league club and so won't buy into it.
The stadium shambles adds more flames to the fire and the whole scenario is one of self fulfilling prophecy.
There must be root and branch reasons why so many people don't follow ntfc and its my belief that these reasons are not looked into let alone addressed by the club for fear of hearing some home truths.
The town continues to expand as does the county and yet it appears impossible to entice anyone to repeatedly attend matches at sixfields.


Cordwainers short post carry's more conviction than your ultra long post. Have a chat with your pal Mr Precis.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 16, 2015, 19:45:04 pm
Cordwainers short post carry's more conviction than your ultra long post. Have a chat with your pal Mr Precis.
What I'd do is butt into the conversation,spout a little nonsense and raise no opinion whatsoever about the topic being discussed.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tcobb on March 16, 2015, 20:42:33 pm
Marvo is correct, start with a decent team and go from there.
 Only since the New Year has the team been playing attractive football, also the last four seasons have seen 3 relegation battles and one half hearted promotion attempt ending with an embarrassing day out at Wembley, not too much to encourage more than 4,000 people to watch football in a half finished stadium.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 17, 2015, 04:12:35 am
You seem to have wandered into the wrong thread then... This ones all about attendances....

I sort of roam more than wander or maybe even maraud?



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest168 on March 17, 2015, 13:27:09 pm
Marvo is NOT correct !

It needs both especially as you cannot guarantee winning games one week from the next let alone two or three seasons.

Yes the easiest (but actually the hardest and most expensive) is to be in the top 3 in any league (or bottom 2 !), that will bring people in.

Why is this?  Because most people (so not the loyal fans) want to be associated with success and quality (think brands) (Marvo sorry mate it is 2015, you are a dinosaur).

The problem is the price of the hot dogs do make a very small difference, it underlines the attitude of the club to its customers, so most people dont bother coming back.

Thing about how and where you choose to spend your money, if you go out for a meal and it's cold or burnt, the servers are rude, the place is running down etc, do you go back?  No of course you don't. It is exactly the same for 'most people'.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 17, 2015, 13:38:43 pm
Marvo is NOT correct !

It needs both especially as you cannot guarantee winning games one week from the next let alone two or three seasons.

Yes the easiest (but actually the hardest and most expensive) is to be in the top 3 in any league (or bottom 2 !), that will bring people in.

Why is this?  Because most people (so not the loyal fans) want to be associated with success and quality (think brands) (Marvo sorry mate it is 2015, you are a dinosaur).

The problem is the price of the hot dogs do make a very small difference, it underlines the attitude of the club to its customers, so most people dont bother coming back.

Thing about how and where you choose to spend your money, if you go out for a meal and it's cold or burnt, the servers are rude, the place is running down etc, do you go back?  No of course you don't. It is exactly the same for 'most people'.



Thoughtful post but of course you're wrong.

In promotion seasons, we've recorded our biggest crowds. A winning team negates all that you've said, if we were top of the league now and scoring goals for fun then Sixfields would be full whatever the standard of food. We go to football for the football, we go to restaurants for food, I think you're getting confused.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 17, 2015, 13:49:08 pm
The key for any business is making it as easy as possible for customers to part with their cash.

Unfortunately NTFC don't do this very well, as evidenced by the lengthy queues and portakabin arrangement which cause frustration for non-season ticket holders who collect tickets on the day.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest168 on March 17, 2015, 15:17:49 pm
Marvo, YOU go for football but many others go for entertainment

Name me ONE club who has performed consistently well season after season who treat their customers with the attitude of yourself and NTFC

Clue:  You wont find one



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 17, 2015, 15:35:42 pm
You lot do talk some bollocks, we have the NINTH highest average attendance in the division and that's with a reduced capacity which as you all like to keep pointing out is stopping clubs like Portsmouth, Luton and Oxford from bringing several thousand more supporters than they can at present. From October through to the start of the year we won just 2 games out of 16, losing 12 of them yet STILL we have the NINTH highest average attendance. Our average attendance is HIGHER than that of current League leaders Burton Albion, perhaps the standard of their hot dogs are preventing people from turning up? Maybe winning just 13 games out of 18 isn't providing their supporters with enough entertainment?

We're doing bloody well in testing times and we're doing a whole lot better than the MAJORITY of League 2 clubs. You lot like nothing more than knocking the club you're supposed to be supporting.

Random, you said if you were getting poor food at a restaurant you wouldn't go back so why on earth do you keep going to the Cobblers is the fare is so poor and you're treated so badly?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: j20cobbler on March 17, 2015, 16:48:34 pm
Random goes for the same reasons you and I go. He supports the club.
We have the ninth highest attendance in this league because we are bigger than approximately 2/3 the clubs currently in the division.
I'm guessing Portsmouth have the biggest attendance, but if Man Ure were in our league then it would be them.
The thread is about disappearing punters at our club Marvo. I didn't think we were comparing ourself to anyone else..


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 17, 2015, 17:01:36 pm
Back on topic, back on thread, I was wondering how this seasons "home" gates compared to last seasons as an average. I don't believe we have had a sold out game yet so the lack of/reduced capacity is not really an issue is it?

Anyway, last season the TOTAL home attendance for the season in league games was 93500 at an average of 4065, so far this season (before tonight) the home total stand at 68804 giving an average of 4047 home fans per game.

So as it stands the "disappearing punters" stand at a total of 18 per game on average. You can discuss the merits of being in form or out of form, at the top of the table or down the bottom, but the crowd has dropped only slightly this season on last.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 17, 2015, 17:06:29 pm

The thread is about disappearing punters at our club Marvo. I didn't think we were comparing ourself to anyone else..

You can't work that out without balancing what is happening at other clubs. Otherwise false picture.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 17, 2015, 17:09:14 pm
Back on topic, back on thread, I was wondering how this seasons "home" gates compared to last seasons as an average. I don't believe we have had a sold out game yet so the lack of/reduced capacity is not really an issue is it?

Anyway, last season the TOTAL home attendance for the season in league games was 93500 at an average of 4065, so far this season (before tonight) the home total stand at 68804 giving an average of 4047 home fans per game.

So as it stands the "disappearing punters" stand at a total of 18 per game on average. You can discuss the merits of being in form or out of form, at the top of the table or down the bottom, but the crowd has dropped only slightly this season on last.

Where you getting your figures from Grange?

Mine (taken from the official site) say we had 104,607 last year for the league games at an average of 4,548.
This year's total stands at 80,615 at an average of 4,479.

I'm not disputing what your saying, I'm trying to establish which are the correct figures.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 17, 2015, 17:13:43 pm
Are yours the total gate whereas mine are the Home element of the gate. The table we update after every game on this thread is home fans only and the comparison is with the same table we did last season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 17, 2015, 17:19:25 pm
Are yours the total gate whereas mine are the Home element of the gate. The table we update after every game on this thread is home fans only and the comparison is with the same table we did last season.

Oh okay. Mine is for the total gate. I don't know how you can compare just the home fans as for example we had a lot more special offers last year?

Also historically, you can't find figures for just the home fans so how can you compare today to say 20 years ago?

Anyway, considering we have only two sides available instead of three I reckon the figures are holding up exceptionally well. Our form prior to Christmas is the ONLY reason this seasons figures lag behind last and with Luton, Oxford, Cambridge and Wycombe still to visit, I think we'll end up ahead of last season. Who knows, we may even have a home play-off to come yet.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 17, 2015, 17:30:42 pm
Of course you can't take into account things like special offers, but you're never going to get a true 100% reflection of anything are you? Unless you start going into how many games were on a Tuesday night, how many games were the saints at home on the same day, how was the weather this year to last?!

All we've managed to show in this thread is that home figures increased by an average of 88 per game between 2012-13 and 2013-14, and they have fallen back ever so slightly in 2014-15 compared to 2013-14.

I believe this thread was originally started to show that there was a drop in home support potentially, however this has not been borne out by the raw data!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 17, 2015, 18:09:13 pm


I believe this thread was originally started to show that there was a drop in home support potentially, however this has not been borne out by the raw data!

I agree entirely. If people have stopped going because of the redevelopment, others have taken their place.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on March 17, 2015, 18:56:52 pm
Yes, so I guess the underlying point is that the club haven't moved on or off the pitch for a number of years, some may say over a hundred.  ;D
I do think that our potential is at its lowest point for some time. Maybe not based on science but on the general vibes you get about people talking (or not talking) about us, or the lack of new blood actually considering to shell out £20+ to see what the fuss is about. Totally different to the late 90's, which isn't just about the financial climate as we're all better off now don't you know?!
I hope we get to prove the theory but a home capacity (full redevelopment permitting inc end stands) of 8k and a £30 plus admission price wouldn't get challenged that often if we development a nose bleed and reached the Championship IMO.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 17, 2015, 21:32:59 pm
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 18, 2015, 13:23:11 pm
We went into last nights match closer to the play-offs than at any stage since the end of October yet have the lowest home attendance of all season. A winning side doesn't bring the crowds in after all  ???


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on March 18, 2015, 13:27:34 pm
Makes Pompey's chant of 'only here for the Pompey' pretty accurate too.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 18, 2015, 15:24:53 pm
We went into last nights match closer to the play-offs than at any stage since the end of October yet have the lowest home attendance of all season. A winning side doesn't bring the crowds in after all  ???

Agree with you Wadey - very poor attendance last night. Insight of the playoffs and still some cant be ar$ed.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 18, 2015, 16:09:12 pm
I sat on my own.  :'(

My lad works in the evenings. To my right the three seats were empty, they are held by supporters traveling down from way up north so no surprise there. To my left, two seats empty, usually a man and his young boy, obviously a school night.

So, out of seven seats, just little old me. Based on that we were lucky to get the crowd we did.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 18, 2015, 16:45:15 pm
God knows what it would have been if we were struggling....
That said probably the same,the same as challenging for the play offs.
The thousand extra league one fans have left it seems not to return and the fans currently in attendance would turn up whatever state the club was in.
IMO the attendance give or take 200 is where the club is.
New fans are not being attracted by the match day experience and the ones who have been lost since the league one days are not returning and I think that would also be the case if we had automatic promotion on the agenda.
I got sick to death with the match day experience at sixfields so spend my leisure pound elsewhere.
I do still enjoy the odd away game and enjoy cheering the team on and that keeps me interested.
The odd thing is I thought I'd miss going to home games much more than I do which kind of backs up that it was the right decision for me personally.
I used to love home games(ST holder) but gradually got fed up with the club from top to bottom as I often left the ground having not enjoyed it.
By all accounts sitting in a soulless building site devoid of atmosphere would not entice me back.
Maybe others feel the same although I'm sure everyone has their own reasons for not bothering.
Fair play to those that continue to attend at sixfields but nothing from when I've stopped attending would encourage me to return.
In fact given the current state of be more inclined than ever not to.
Still ive got a couple of away games pencilled in before another season passes and I look forward to singing myself hoarse(obviously not at sixfields where you'd be looked upon as mad for showing any emotion and be told to quieten down by some old duffer😁).
Sofa for me on a cold Tuesday night thanks😀


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2533 on March 18, 2015, 16:59:32 pm
I sat on my own.  :'(

My lad works in the evenings. To my right the three seats were empty, they are held by supporters traveling down from way up north so no surprise there. To my left, two seats empty,
You could have asked me to come you miserable old s od :(


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 18, 2015, 17:03:45 pm
You could have asked me to come you miserable old s od :(

Steady now.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: A view from the east on March 18, 2015, 18:14:52 pm
God knows what it would have been if we were struggling....
That said probably the same,the same as challenging for the play offs.
The thousand extra league one fans have left it seems not to return and the fans currently in attendance would turn up whatever state the club was in.
IMO the attendance give or take 200 is where the club is.
New fans are not being attracted by the match day experience and the ones who have been lost since the league one days are not returning and I think that would also be the case if we had automatic promotion on the agenda.
I got sick to death with the match day experience at sixfields so spend my leisure pound elsewhere.
I do still enjoy the odd away game and enjoy cheering the team on and that keeps me interested.
The odd thing is I thought I'd miss going to home games much more than I do which kind of backs up that it was the right decision for me personally.
I used to love home games(ST holder) but gradually got fed up with the club from top to bottom as I often left the ground having not enjoyed it.
By all accounts sitting in a soulless building site devoid of atmosphere would not entice me back.
Maybe others feel the same although I'm sure everyone has their own reasons for not bothering.
Fair play to those that continue to attend at sixfields but nothing from when I've stopped attending would encourage me to return.
In fact given the current state of be more inclined than ever not to.
Still ive got a couple of away games pencilled in before another season passes and I look forward to singing myself hoarse(obviously not at sixfields where you'd be looked upon as mad for showing any emotion and be told to quieten down by some old duffer😁).
Sofa for me on a cold Tuesday night thanks😀
He protesteth too much, methinks.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: A view from the east on March 18, 2015, 18:15:49 pm
You could have asked me to come you miserable old s od :(
;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 18, 2015, 18:47:57 pm
Shoey,
What do the majority of away grounds provide you that Sixfields doesn't?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 18, 2015, 19:14:00 pm
An atmosphere.
Half edible reasonably priced food.
Safe car parking.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 18, 2015, 19:25:52 pm
An atmosphere.
Half edible reasonably priced food.
Safe car parking.


Atmosphere is invariably always better for away fans.
Why do you choose to eat at Sixfields?
Sixfields is probably one of the best parking set ups of all away grounds.  I drive to all and have been to quite a few wondering in what state mine will be in when I get back to it.
You cannot use your one bad experience as a barometer for all. I haven't had a problem security wise, in any of them.

 ;D  So nothing to prevent you from attending Sixfields then...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 18, 2015, 19:57:44 pm
In fairness asking the car parking attendants at sixfields if they were present looking after the vehicles having paid was my error.
The answer given was yes.
This was at best incorrect and at worst a blatant lie.
I do not pay money to be lied to.
To come back to an unattended car that was broken into having been lied to and having paid for the experience was p*ss poor.
The food is overpriced and poor quality,true you don't have to eat but what if I want to?
Is it too much to ask for a reasonably priced pie etc?
The atmosphere at away matches is decent and that is why I enjoy it,the vast percentage of doddering b*stards who make sixfields a thoroughly depressing/embarrassing place are not present and you can have a good time.
Being moaned at for showing support for your team at sixfields,seriously in ten years or so most of these boring tw*ts will be worm food and you won't have to put up with sh*tty staring and mutterings just because you've made them lose their place reading people's friend.
I'd honestly say out of the 4000 attending only about a thousand are worth tuppence the rest are frankly an embarrassment to the club and it's hardly any wonder the youth(next generation) of supporters do not attend.
Frankly they would find it embarrassing and like sitting in an old folks home.
Of course it's the individual's right to stifle atmosphere and read the people's friend but portraying that image is not appetising to the next generation of fans and certainly not to me.
For the record if away matches went down that route I'd knock them on the head as well.
Thank god the doddering old buggers can't afford to go.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on March 18, 2015, 20:06:13 pm

Being moaned at for showing support for your team at sixfields,seriously in ten years or so most of these boring tw*ts will be worm food and you won't have to put up with sh*tty staring and mutterings just because you've made them lose their place reading people's friend.
I'd honestly say out of the 4000 attending only about a thousand are worth tuppence the rest are frankly an embarrassment to the club and it's hardly any wonder the youth(next generation) of supporters do not attend.
Frankly they would find it embarrassing and like sitting in an old folks home.
Of course it's the individual's right to stifle atmosphere and read the people's friend but portraying that image is not appetising to the next generation of fans and certainly not to me.
For the record if away matches went down that route I'd knock them on the head as well.
Thank god the doddering old buggers can't afford to go.

Is he talking about us?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 18, 2015, 20:08:29 pm
Regardless of whether the Champions League was on terrestrial TV, the club clearly has a  fundamental problem if it can only attract 3,400 fans given the run of form it has been on.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 18, 2015, 20:19:02 pm
Is he talking about us?
If your the lads in the corner of the west stand who make a racket then fair play to you.
I think there are around thirty and they make a good noise and get behind the team.
Thirty just about fills a classroom(I'm not suggesting your all at school) but frankly it's still an embarrasing amount.
You'd think a town like northampton would get at least four or five hundred teenagers getting involved and joining in.
The lads up there seem a decent enough bunch but why so few?
Why can't they rustle up some more and make it a proper atmosphere?
If however you are one of the pensioners who look down their nose at the likes of me when I'm there to enjoy myself then why not try enjoying yourselves rather than make the place so soulless?
The experience of attending a football match is supposed to be enjoyable(it's not cheap) and to spend your money when quite frankly you could get the same atmosphere sat in the warm listening to the radio commentary is speaks volumes.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on March 18, 2015, 20:25:23 pm
If your the lads in the corner of the west stand who make a racket then fair play to you.
I think there are around thirty and they make a good noise and get behind the team.
Thirty just about fills a classroom(I'm not suggesting your all at school) but frankly it's still an embarrasing amount.
You'd think a town like northampton would get at least four or five hundred teenagers getting involved and joining in.
The lads up there seem a decent enough bunch but why so few?
Why can't they rustle up some more and make it a proper atmosphere?
If however you are one of the pensioners who look down their nose at the likes of me when I'm there to enjoy myself then why not try enjoying yourselves rather than make the place so soulless?
The experience of attending a football match is supposed to be enjoyable(it's not cheap) and to spend your money when quite frankly you could get the same atmosphere sat in the warm listening to the radio commentary is speaks volumes.

Football must be the only event where people choose to go by judging the quality of the audience.
I'm stating the obvious, but if you don't go to Sixfields and add to the number of quality singers aren't you part of the problem?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 18, 2015, 20:38:05 pm
Football must be the only event where people choose to go by judging the quality of the audience.
I'm stating the obvious, but if you don't go to Sixfields and add to the number of quality singers aren't you part of the problem?

I think that he needs to look at the demographic of the regular away fans as well...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 18, 2015, 21:51:19 pm
Tuesday night crowds are always lower than the Saturday games as you have less school kids attending and also none on the group scheme. Plus work commitments and the rushing around after work puts people off. Maybe there needs to be specific marketing to get people in on Tuesday nights. A tenner a ticket with a free drink or something like that. I'm no marketing expert but when I get money off and other incentive supermarket vouchers I go to those supermarkets that particular week. The schools/groups scheme has got kids in on Saturdays so why not try and get adult groups in midweek. There are some big companies and sports clubs in this town/county and even if you could attracted a very small percentage of new fans in, hopefully some will enjoy what they see and return paying full price. Admittedly any new fans that had attended last night might not be too willing to return quickly after that performance. But then again if there were another few hundred in there willing the players on, they may have found some extra energy and willingness and put up a better performance.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 18, 2015, 22:05:20 pm
Plus those living any distance away cannot make the journey immediately after work.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 18, 2015, 23:50:34 pm
An atmosphere.
Half edible reasonably priced food.
Safe car parking.

Ah so you have been to Gillingham, Accrington , Newport , Exeter , Barnet etc . Atmosphere at Accrington  ::)
The best bit was safe parking - in my experience parking at Sixfields is pretty safe and cheap too.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 19, 2015, 08:54:42 am
I have never understood why able bodied people use and pay for (!!!) the 'official' club car parks. There is so much free parking within 10-15 minutes walk of the stadium.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Its_nice_to_michu on March 19, 2015, 09:33:32 am
ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh Clarkey its are little secret mate.   ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 19, 2015, 09:59:34 am
I use the club car parks because they are convenient and at £60 a year they cost the square root of sod all per game when you factor in cup games and friendlies etc.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 19, 2015, 11:47:34 am
£60?, that's cheaper than the official car parks over the season!
Not as easy to get back onto the M1 to go back south though? 
I park on the grass £3 car park which is easier to escape from than the gravel south park.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 19, 2015, 13:07:27 pm
£60?, that's cheaper than the official car parks over the season!
Not as easy to get back onto the M1 to go back south though? 
I park on the grass £3 car park which is easier to escape from than the gravel south park.

Dear oh Dear Deepcut you pay for parking? If you travel from J15A down Upton Way to Sixfields take the first left(Hight st) at the first roundabout and on your left you will come to a neat little Car Park! No charge and I have never failed to park there in over 3 years. That's a saving of £180.00 over 3 years!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 19, 2015, 13:25:13 pm
Not from now on you won't, you halfwit


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 19, 2015, 13:54:37 pm
He opens the sun roof and pretends it's a skip...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 19, 2015, 14:49:05 pm
Not from now on you won't, you halfwit

😄 ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 19, 2015, 17:05:17 pm
Not from now on you won't, you halfwit

Rubbish ::) - its well known to Cobblers fans as plenty park in there. Not sure why you of all people call somebody a half wit. For the next home game I predict I will have no problem finding a parking space.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 19, 2015, 17:06:42 pm
He opens the sun roof and pretends it's a skip...

You have an old banger then?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on March 19, 2015, 17:16:12 pm
There is the Upton housing estate with tons of parking or anywhere around the tavern, bowling, Bella Italia, KFC etc. Absolutely hundreds of free parking spots that are easier to get out of than the bottom car park. The only ones I would avoid is the cinema and outside TGI's and then you could throw any parking ticket in the bin.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 19, 2015, 17:30:50 pm
Rubbish ::) - its well known to Cobblers fans as plenty park in there. Not sure why you of all people call somebody a half wit. For the next home game I predict I will have no problem finding a parking space.

A real Cobblers fan would park in the club car parks and do so with the knowledge that some of their car parking fee was going towards the club...... ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 19, 2015, 17:37:30 pm
A real Cobblers fan would park in the club car parks and do so with the knowledge that some of their car parking fee was going towards the club...... ;D

You wait until you are retired and on your 3rd wife and 8 daughters. By the way if you go to away games on a Trust Coach that's supporting the club too as the Trust make the occasional donations. See you at Bury.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 19, 2015, 17:40:16 pm
You wait until you are retired and on your 3rd wife and 8 daughters. By the way if you go to away games on a Trust Coach that's supporting the club too as the Trust make the occasional donations. See you at Bury.

I go to away games on the train because it's free for me.....why would I pay for something that I can get for free? Oh...hang on a minute.......  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 19, 2015, 19:53:11 pm
You wait until you are retired and on your 3rd wife and 8 daughters. ....

Does everyone get that as part of their retirement package?   ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 29, 2015, 09:46:29 am
GPC Deepcut ?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 29, 2015, 10:22:45 am
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 29, 2015, 19:04:18 pm
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat

Seasons high then yesterday.....although there were still empty seats in the lower tier wings of the West and at the ends of the North. Somehow there were more Luton fans than they had tickets, but looking at the crowd yesterday I reckon a current capacity of around 5850-5900 is about right.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 29, 2015, 19:19:34 pm
There were ridiculous numbers of luton in the west stand. When Holmes scored I reckon 20 people sitting within view of my seat stayed sitting. What happened with the ticket sales to stop them getting in?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 29, 2015, 19:32:26 pm
There were ridiculous numbers of luton in the west stand. When Holmes scored I reckon 20 people sitting within view of my seat stayed sitting. What happened with the ticket sales to stop them getting in?

There were originally online sales for this game but I think they pulled them later on when they noticed some Bedfordshire postcodes popping up! Then they said that they would attempt to withdraw already sold tickets if they could prove that non-hoe fans had bought them....don't know that that was successful though!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on March 29, 2015, 20:40:26 pm
If you took the Luton off that figure it wouldn't be a mile away from our average..


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 29, 2015, 20:52:15 pm
Updated again:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)   ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on March 29, 2015, 21:08:40 pm
Updated again:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)   ;D

That's better 😄


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 29, 2015, 21:40:30 pm
I can't speak for others but my sons work lot came to the game, so instead of 2 of us in the pub, there were maybe a dozen. Only 4 or 5 of those have been before this season so there was definitely an increase of Northampton support (if you can call it that), at least in our little party.

Mind you, don't let my little facts spoil anybodies attempt at pissing on the club and it's support AGAIN. It's seems to be the done thing on here now.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 29, 2015, 21:41:33 pm
Seasons high then yesterday.....although there were still empty seats in the lower tier wings of the West and at the ends of the North. Somehow there were more Luton fans than they had tickets, but looking at the crowd yesterday I reckon a current capacity of around 5850-5900 is about right.

Apparently there just over 60 Luton supporters in the Home End. These tickets were mainly bought by Northants based Hatters supporters notably Hunsburyhatter who was in row S (seats 109'ish.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on March 29, 2015, 22:14:59 pm
I can't speak for others but my sons work lot came to the game, so instead of 2 of us in the pub, there were maybe a dozen. Only 4 or 5 of those have been before this season so there was definitely an increase of Northampton support (if you can call it that), at least in our little party.

Mind you, don't let my little facts spoil anybodies attempt at pissing on the club and it's support AGAIN. It's seems to be the done thing on here now.

Don't be too disheartened Marvo... With a few hundred odd Luton in the home areas, we still saw an increase...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest48 on March 29, 2015, 22:42:52 pm
There seemed to be quite a few Lo'un fans on corporate tickets, seated just across the aisle from DC. So funny looking at their piss*d off faces when Gray slotted in the winner  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on March 30, 2015, 06:33:36 am
Apparently there just over 60 Luton supporters in the Home End. These tickets were mainly bought by Northants based Hatters supporters notably Hunsburyhatter who was in row S (seats 109'ish.

They are corporate/guest seats


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: John on March 30, 2015, 07:14:36 am
It if wasn't such a crying shame, it would almost be laughable how anybody could dismiss our highest crowd of the season by saying it was only that because of the amount of Luton fans. No shit sherlock, and I suppose our highest gate of the season last year had nothing to do with the amount of Oxford fans, or when we played Man Utd, Tottenham, West Ham etc it has nothing to do with the amount of their fans either. Unless the game had some other special significance, like play-off, promotion decider or more likely of late needing to stay in the league, our highest gate is ALWAYS to do with the amount of away fans.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on March 30, 2015, 21:56:49 pm
It if wasn't such a crying shame, it would almost be laughable how anybody could dismiss our highest crowd of the season by saying it was only that because of the amount of Luton fans.

You really should try to be a bit less of a slave to your impulsivity.

Nobody is suggesting that the Luton support was solely responsible for the highest gate. They are just adding a degree of realism. Without the Luton supporters that were clearly very present in the home areas, the actual amount of home supporters is not that remarkable for a local derby. I'm as pleased as you that we saw a decent return on the gate. I'm just not experiencing any denial about how it was achieved..



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 06, 2015, 18:52:05 pm
Updated again:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  ;D
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Bingers on April 07, 2015, 06:27:02 am
Over 4600!  That's our best for a Monday game all season!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 07, 2015, 08:24:51 am
Didn't notice any Cambridge in the home end so I think yesterday was our actual highest home crowd of the season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on April 07, 2015, 08:42:25 am
Accies Clarkey


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ajp on April 07, 2015, 08:45:45 am
Have been wondering this since it was posted, does anyone know why we had big attendances vs accie and burton?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: andycobbler on April 07, 2015, 08:58:55 am
Have been wondering this since it was posted, does anyone know why we had big attendances vs accie and burton?

Top 7  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on April 07, 2015, 09:00:29 am
Have been wondering this since it was posted, does anyone know why we had big attendances vs accie and burton?

We hammered Hartlepool the game before Accy - everyone turned up hoping for a similar result I think.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 07, 2015, 09:07:28 am
Have been wondering this since it was posted, does anyone know why we had big attendances vs accie and burton?

Just beaten Hartlepool 5-1 before Accies, 3 week gap between home games and 7 pts from three away games before Burton?
Glory hunters...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 07, 2015, 10:22:37 am
After 10 games (start of October) we were 5th, which explains the high attendances around then. Unfortunately we then began our tumble down the table (13 defeats from 15 or something crazy like that)...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 18, 2015, 22:10:30 pm
Updated again:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  Grin
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday
Apr - Cheltenham      - 4120 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 02, 2015, 20:31:51 pm
Updated for the final time this season:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  Grin
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday
Apr - Cheltenham      - 4120 - Sat
May - Wycombe        - 4807 - Sat  Biggest Home crowd of the season...and I wasn't there...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on May 02, 2015, 21:05:21 pm
105787 total   average 4599      (2013/14   104607 total  4548 average)
94842 home   average 4214
10945 away   average 476


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 22, 2015, 16:56:27 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool (C/C)   -  2244 - Tue
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat



Updated for the final time this season:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  Grin
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday
Apr - Cheltenham      - 4120 - Sat
May - Wycombe        - 4807 - Sat  Biggest Home crowd of the season...and I wasn't there...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on August 24, 2015, 12:14:03 pm
I wonder how the economic drivers are affecting the CDE2 consumer which would frequent Sixfields?

I also wonder how many have not renewed who sat in the east stand?

My thought would be that the austerity measures will be affecting attendances as well as the failure to deliver the East Stand, both regular and corporate.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on August 24, 2015, 12:41:34 pm
I've deduced from this that more home fans turned up for both Exeter and Plymouth home games than did for the corresponding fixture last season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 24, 2015, 15:54:06 pm
I've deduced from this that more home fans turned up for both Exeter and Plymouth home games than did for the corresponding fixture last season.

I deduced that fewer home fans turned out for the opening two home league games this season than did for the opening two last season! Not had chance to assess whether the weather played a part in this yet though!  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 03, 2015, 15:04:18 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool (C/C)   -  2244 - Tue
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U (Paint Pot) - 1255 - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat



Updated for the final time this season:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  Grin
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday
Apr - Cheltenham      - 4120 - Sat
May - Wycombe        - 4807 - Sat  Biggest Home crowd of the season...and I wasn't there...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 12, 2015, 21:31:25 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool (C/C)   -  2244 - Tue
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U (Paint Pot) - 1255 - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat



Updated for the final time this season:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  Grin
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday
Apr - Cheltenham      - 4120 - Sat
May - Wycombe        - 4807 - Sat  Biggest Home crowd of the season...and I wasn't there...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 12, 2015, 21:52:56 pm
Oh shut up you fool.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 12, 2015, 21:59:34 pm
I'm surprised we only lost 4 home fans after the crap performance against Dagenham...... ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: HertsCobbler on September 13, 2015, 08:49:21 am
If Cardoza was in that total - that takes it down to 3!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 26, 2015, 17:03:07 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool (C/C)   -  2244 - Tue
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U (Paint Pot) - 1255 - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat



Updated for the final time this season:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  Grin
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday
Apr - Cheltenham      - 4120 - Sat
May - Wycombe        - 4807 - Sat  Biggest Home crowd of the season...and I wasn't there...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 10, 2015, 15:19:22 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool (C/C)   -  2244 - Tue
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U (Paint Pot) - 1255 - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat

Updated for the final time this season:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  Grin
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday
Apr - Cheltenham      - 4120 - Sat
May - Wycombe        - 4807 - Sat  Biggest Home crowd of the season...and I wasn't there...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 20, 2015, 20:01:29 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool (C/C)   -  2244 - Tue
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U (Paint Pot) - 1255 - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)

Updated for the final time this season:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  Grin
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday
Apr - Cheltenham      - 4120 - Sat
May - Wycombe        - 4807 - Sat  Biggest Home crowd of the season...and I wasn't there...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on October 20, 2015, 22:16:56 pm
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)

Honestly GPC why was it the lowest Home gate this season?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 20, 2015, 22:18:38 pm
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)

Honestly GPC why was it the lowest Home gate this season?

Honestly Everbright....I don't know, why was it the lowest home gate this season?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on October 20, 2015, 22:53:17 pm
This time last year against Oxford on a Tuesday we only had a couple of hundred more. Saturday will be our largest home crowd of the season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on October 21, 2015, 06:08:30 am
Back to back home games following a trip to Cambridge where we lost. The week before half term and a Tuesday night game. It was always going to be a small one.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 21, 2015, 07:42:47 am
Back to back home games following a trip to Cambridge where we lost. The week before half term and a Tuesday night game. It was always going to be a small one.

Does seem to be a bad week for attendances. That's why I made the point of saying it was our worst home gate since the corresponding date three years ago......a league game against Bradford on a Tuesday night.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Matthew Rush on October 21, 2015, 07:48:41 am
Does seem to be a bad week for attendances. That's why I made the point of saying it was our worst home gate since the corresponding date three years ago......a league game against Bradford on a Tuesday night.

That week of the season is always a Champions League game week and involves us playing 2 home games in quick succession. Add into the equation it's towards the end of month but before many people have been paid and it's not hard to see why a few people give it a miss.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on October 21, 2015, 08:09:44 am
Plus not coinciding with half term means people don't bring kids as they would do if it was that week.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on October 21, 2015, 08:25:26 am
This is where not having a large supporters bar is hurting us, its impossible to attract fans with incentives in Cardozas mothballed era.
Some ideas that would add a few hundred on these hard core nights are
Free tea and coffee, small gesture but it would be appreciated.
 curry and pint £5, some of us struggle to make kick off because we need to eat, this would help some.
Keep the bars open all night showing the match on screens, cold nights keep hundreds away, this way fans can see the game keeping warm.  Bars also showing champs league games on extra screen?
Free parking for evening games.
Night game attendees get priority on any big game tickets.

If these or just some were implemented, gates would improve and those making the effort rewarded.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on October 21, 2015, 17:11:37 pm
Back to back home games following a trip to Cambridge where we lost. The week before half term and a Tuesday night game. It was always going to be a small one.
....and against the club furthest away from us..... it was only 100 or so less than last season wasn't it?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 21, 2015, 17:43:19 pm
....and against the club furthest away from us..... it was only 100 or so less than last season wasn't it?

Yep...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 21, 2015, 17:52:05 pm
Yep...

Last season's game was in March, also on a Tuesday night but that was after a Saturday home game, and Carlisle only brought 195 fans out of a total gate of 3682


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on October 21, 2015, 22:51:50 pm
Keep the bars open all night showing the match on screens, cold nights keep hundreds away, this way fans can see the game keeping warm.

This isn't a serious suggestion is it?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on October 22, 2015, 05:48:03 am
This isn't a serious suggestion is it?
Its something I've seen at several other grounds so its nothing new and may appeal to
Some people.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest168 on October 22, 2015, 16:12:38 pm
the exact opposite of feel good factor !

Most part-time supporters look at the table and results, which show we had just lost and are 9th in the table.

So much doom and gloom but not enough doom to attract people, just yet.

Add in the poor overall match day experience, it simply is not value for money for those who can take it or leave it


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Bingers on October 22, 2015, 17:25:05 pm
Most part-time supporters look at the table and results, which show we had just lost and are 9th in the table.

So this week will be a full house as we've just won and are 5th!

Hurrah!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest168 on October 23, 2015, 10:25:25 am
Fraid Not.  Have to be consistantly in the top 3 to see a significant rise in attendance


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 24, 2015, 15:12:34 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool (C/C)   -  2244 - Tue
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U (Paint Pot) - 1255 - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat

Updated for the final time this season:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  Grin
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday
Apr - Cheltenham      - 4120 - Sat
May - Wycombe        - 4807 - Sat  Biggest Home crowd of the season...and I wasn't there...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2015, 17:18:44 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool (C/C)   -  2244 - Tue
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U (Paint Pot) - 1255 - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat

Updated for the final time this season:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  Grin
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday
Apr - Cheltenham      - 4120 - Sat
May - Wycombe        - 4807 - Sat  Biggest Home crowd of the season...and I wasn't there...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Freddie Ramscar on November 14, 2015, 17:39:52 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool (C/C)   -  2244 - Tue
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U (Paint Pot) - 1255 - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat?  5454

Updated for the final time this season:
2014/15 Season:
Aug - The Stags     - 4302 - Sat
Aug - The Shrews   - 3927 - Sat
Aug - The Grecians - 3840 - Sat
Sep - M/Hangers    - 3523 - Tue
Sep - Accies           - 4663 - Sat
Oct - Burton           - 4596 - Sat
Oct - Poxford          - 3645 - Tue
Nov - Real Dons      - 4080 - Sat
Nov - Rochdale       - 2358 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - Stevenage     - 4122 - Sat
Dec - Plymouth       - 3753 - Sat
Dec - Bury              - 4261 - Fri (Boxing Day)
Jan - Southend        - 3786 - Sat
Jan - Daggers          - 3966 - Sat
Jan - Newport         - 3957 - Sat
Feb - Morecambe     - 4179 - Sat
Feb - York               - 4245 - Sat
Mar - Pompey          - 4073 - Tue
Mar - Tranmere        - 4147 - Sat
Mar - Carlisle           - 3487 - Tue
Mar - Looton            - 4755 - Sat  (Possibly distorted by the 1960s integration of away fans within home areas)  Grin
Apr - Cambridge      - 4608 - Easter Monday
Apr - Cheltenham      - 4120 - Sat
May - Wycombe        - 4807 - Sat  Biggest Home crowd of the season...and I wasn't there...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 14, 2015, 18:05:38 pm
Those are the home fan figures Freddie, not the total gates!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 14, 2015, 18:46:53 pm
400 up on the last game in November last year. How much due to league position and how much to "last ever game?" factor?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on November 14, 2015, 19:25:46 pm
400 up on the last game in November last year. How much due to league position and how much to "last ever game?" factor?

It didn't feel like the last home game so probably mostly due to home form and recent results; some might have gone for "last ever game" but only a few.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on November 14, 2015, 19:41:35 pm
The atmosphere was different today, so much better. People were definitely there because of the last game/ Our club needs us factor.

Let's hope they return for our next home game.  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on November 14, 2015, 20:09:42 pm
Those are the home fan figures Freddie, not the total gates!

Where do u get the home fans only attendance figures from?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2487 on November 14, 2015, 21:22:10 pm
Overall attendance minus away fans?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on November 14, 2015, 23:17:54 pm
Overall attendance minus away fans?

Didn't realise that they reveal the away support


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: coboz on November 15, 2015, 00:34:12 am
Official site - match report gives attendance with away fans in brackets.
5454 was the attendance. Does anyone know the current Sixfields capacity?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on November 15, 2015, 05:04:58 am
East Stand once had around 2000 seats so current capacitywill be around 5600


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: coboz on November 15, 2015, 07:53:13 am
Cheers St Ed.
 
 Pretty much a sell out then


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on November 15, 2015, 08:00:51 am
Club told me yesterday the capacity is approx 5800.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 15, 2015, 11:22:50 am
Hundreds of empty seats in the west north end


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on November 15, 2015, 11:42:16 am
Didn't realise that they reveal the away support

They actually put it up on the big screen these days. :)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on November 15, 2015, 12:35:27 pm
East Stand once had around 2000 seats so current capacitywill be around 5600

East was actually 1500, north and south jusy short of 1000 each, west around 4000 total now about 6000, 5000 home seat, 1000 away.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on November 15, 2015, 13:49:14 pm
Hundreds of empty seats in the west north end

plenty of seats around rows N and P 130ish; North Stand also not full maybe 2/3rds full. Not good enough.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 15, 2015, 14:41:28 pm
Club told me yesterday the capacity is approx 5800.

We had 5723 in for the last game of the season against Wycombe, and they had 916 in the South Stand, so yep, 5800 is about right. Or from the figures when built, capacity was 7653 and the East Stand held 1760.
Having no East Stand would leave the capacity at 5793.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on November 15, 2015, 17:05:30 pm
They actually put it up on the big screen these days. :)

I've never noticed them break it down on the screen before.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on November 15, 2015, 17:16:58 pm
I've never noticed them break it down on the screen before.

TBH yesterday was the first time I'd noticed it, thats not to say they hadn't put previous away attendances.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 28, 2015, 16:46:25 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool (C/C)   -  2244 - Tue
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U (Paint Pot) - 1255 - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil              - 4790 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: corno_ntfc on November 28, 2015, 17:57:23 pm
So the idea of splitting the south stand to fit in more home support was simply hot air then , plenty of empty seats today


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: HertsCobbler on November 28, 2015, 18:47:45 pm
So the idea of splitting the south stand to fit in more home support was simply hot air then , plenty of empty seats today

I would hardly say plenty.  I think the West and North combined hold around 4,900. Best home turnout all season - expect that the Pompey game will be very full.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 28, 2015, 19:12:10 pm
I would hardly say plenty.  I think the West and North combined hold around 4,900. Best home turnout all season - expect that the Pompey game will be very full.

Yep, by capacity there were only around 100 home seats vacant today, Pompey will sell out easily!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Bingers on November 28, 2015, 19:13:54 pm
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil              - 4790 - Sat

Might have to rename this thread reappearing punters.  Although if Herts calculations are right, we could only get 120ish more home supporters.

I wonder if Uncle Kelvin has thought about doing something with the East Stand.  That could let a few more in.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: HertsCobbler on November 28, 2015, 19:16:50 pm
According to Simon Inglis's Football Ground Book

West Stand 3955
North 971

Total = 4,926 (this I believe includes the elevated wheel chair areas at the front of the stands).


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on November 28, 2015, 23:09:19 pm
Kelvin and  Trust..get it sorted. What you got


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2539 on November 29, 2015, 07:31:27 am
Bingers, Uncle Kelvin has said he is trying to make improvements to the East Stand but obviously there are limiting factors.
He is in discussions with Buckinghams.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on November 29, 2015, 07:41:01 am
Bingers, Uncle Kelvin has said he is trying to make improvements to the East Stand but obviously there are limiting factors.
He is in discussions with Buckinghams.

Unfortunately the limiting factors are that the roof is on and that the shells for the boxes are already in.  Without trying to run seats up the sides of the existing boxes and having some with limited view then there is no way of increasing the seated capacity.  The only option really is probably to increase the number of boxes.  I can't see them taking the roof off, removing the boxes, increases the number of rows of seats and then rebuilding boxes at the back and putting the roof back on.  This obviously would involve building more footings and a new back wall.  In all this would surely be too expensive but it's the only way of making the east stand into anything other than crap.

The current planned seating for the east stand will mean that you can get wet in every seat in the stand now that the roof is higher than the old east stand.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on November 29, 2015, 08:00:45 am
So the idea of splitting the south stand to fit in more home support was simply hot air then , plenty of empty seats today

I don't think it was hot air..... they said, if they sold out the north and west, they had made arrangements to split the south.
They didn't, so they didn't....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on November 29, 2015, 10:41:44 am
Unfortunately the limiting factors are that the roof is on and that the shells for the boxes are already in.  Without trying to run seats up the sides of the existing boxes and having some with limited view then there is no way of increasing the seated capacity.  The only option really is probably to increase the number of boxes.  I can't see them taking the roof off, removing the boxes, increases the number of rows of seats and then rebuilding boxes at the back and putting the roof back on.  This obviously would involve building more footings and a new back wall.  In all this would surely be too expensive but it's the only way of making the east stand into anything other than crap.

The current planned seating for the east stand will mean that you can get wet in every seat in the stand now that the roof is higher than the old east stand.

Personally I don't think we need extra seats in the East Stand. What is more important for me, especially if we get promoted is to make the South stand capable of holding around 2000. Even this season we will have 4 or 5 teams who will sell out the away end, in League One that will be double figures with a stand holding under 1000. We have not sold out the 5000 home seats we currently have for over 2 years, so to have the East Stand finished with 1,500 seats (making it 6500 home seats) is fine for me. Doubling the South Stand (to include a decent away fans bar) will be the cheapest option I would say, in time and if needed we could then double the North Stand to also include a bar and that will give us a ground just shy of 10,000 with two good bars for additional revenue.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: lordjord on November 29, 2015, 11:08:25 am
I agree the away end is a huge source of missed income. Even in this league Luton, Pompey, oxford and a few others will sell out. Certainly would be the case in league 1, that certainly needs looking at.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2539 on November 29, 2015, 11:18:21 am
Plus the option of increasing the capacity by filling in the corners, with the added bonus of improving the atmosphere with the enclosed stadium.
Probably cheaper than dismantleing the East stand and amending the plans, something for the Championship????


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 29, 2015, 11:45:22 am
We could just make the stands run the width/length of the pitch and add about 1000. I know it's inevitable but I hate identikit bowl grounds. Where am I? Southampton? Reading? Leicester? Derby? Middlesbro? Swansea? Cardiff? Doncaster? Big fan of four distinct stands like Notts County. One of the finest 'new' grounds is Huddersfield.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tcobb on November 29, 2015, 11:48:27 am
Could this thread be renamed "reappearing punters"

I like the Marquis idea, the East stand is in sections, wonder how much it would cost to add one section on each end ?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on November 29, 2015, 12:49:14 pm
As an immediate remedial to the problem is to shutter off the building site completely in 18mm plywood with portaloos in the back of the exists.
Put the 1800 seats back in place and sell the tickets.
This would give us time to organise the building of the east stand properly.
In fact why hasn't this been done already?
It would take a few days for minimal outlay.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alwaysdark on November 29, 2015, 12:58:39 pm
If I was put in charge of any redesign I would introduce a trap door or two under the seating in the east stand. At the touch of a button a trap door could open and simultaneously the seat tip forward making the "punter" disappear into a pit below chocked full of clowns, mushrooms and pantomime horses  ;D  >:D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alwaysdark on November 29, 2015, 13:01:49 pm
In fact why hasn't this been done already?


Ah, please take a seat in my redesigned east stand and I will tell you  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Lappo on November 29, 2015, 13:11:30 pm
As an immediate remedial to the problem is to shutter off the building site completely in 18mm plywood with portaloos in the back of the exists.
Put the 1800 seats back in place and sell the tickets.
This would give us time to organise the building of the east stand properly.
In fact why hasn't this been done already?
It would take a few days for minimal outlay.

Because KT has only been here since Thursday ffs


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Lappo on November 29, 2015, 13:14:16 pm
We could just make the stands run the width/length of the pitch and add about 1000. I know it's inevitable but I hate identikit bowl grounds. Where am I? Southampton? Reading? Leicester? Derby? Middlesbro? Swansea? Cardiff? Doncaster? Big fan of four distinct stands like Notts County. One of the finest 'new' grounds is Huddersfield.

I would make sixfields a bowl from the outside however from the inside the corners I would have seating put in to the current height of the north and south. Build north and south stands up to East and west height. Then you would have four distinct stands from the inside.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on November 29, 2015, 13:39:54 pm

Ah, please take a seat in my redesigned east stand and I will tell you  ;)

Do one, weirdo  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 29, 2015, 14:13:22 pm
As an immediate remedial to the problem is to shutter off the building site completely in 18mm plywood with portaloos in the back of the exists.
Put the 1800 seats back in place and sell the tickets.
This would give us time to organise the building of the east stand properly.
In fact why hasn't this been done already?
It would take a few days for minimal outlay.
do you think the seats are in a cupboard somewhere then?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on November 29, 2015, 16:03:09 pm
Build the east stand almost as it was before but with a row of boxes running the full length.

Then extend the north and south stands by 1,000 seats each. Job done.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alwaysdark on November 29, 2015, 16:09:02 pm
Do one, weirdo  ;D

Are you my new best friend ?  :)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on November 29, 2015, 16:23:07 pm
Build the east stand almost as it was before but with a row of boxes running the full length.

Then extend the north and south stands by 1,000 seats each. Job done.

Exactly, spot on. With a decent bar/food outlet in each where you don't have to queue for half an hour to get served, easy ££££££££


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on November 29, 2015, 17:11:54 pm
do you think the seats are in a cupboard somewhere then?
Are you of the opinion that there's never going to be seats there ever again?
I don't understand your question or are you being facetious (always wanted to use that word)  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 29, 2015, 17:39:36 pm
Could this thread be renamed "reappearing punters"

I like the Marquis idea, the East stand is in sections, wonder how much it would cost to add one section on each end ?

The original topic title is a question in response to the perception that punters were disappearing rapidly which was proved incorrect. It is not a statement and is still relevant.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 05, 2015, 16:09:12 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool           -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                 - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil              - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics  - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 19, 2015, 17:04:56 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool           -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                 - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil              - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics  - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 19, 2015, 17:10:04 pm
What is our current home end capacity?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 19, 2015, 17:31:31 pm
What is our current home end capacity?

Well...that "sell out" was bigger than the Wycombe "sell out" at the end of last season! I thought the home capacity was 4900 odd.....but we had 4931 in today and quite a few empty seats in the North Stand. A complete home sell out would be 5000 as near as dammit I reckon.

That was our biggest "home crowd" since the last game of the 13/14 season.....not bad for the week before Christmas, which is traditionally time for one of the lowest gates of the season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 19, 2015, 17:39:34 pm
Well...that "sell out" was bigger than the Wycombe "sell out" at the end of last season! I thought the home capacity was 4900 odd.....but we had 4931 in today and quite a few empty seats in the North Stand. A complete home sell out would be 5000 as near as dammit I reckon.

That was our biggest "home crowd" since the last game of the 13/14 season.....not bad for the week before Christmas, which is traditionally time for one of the lowest gates of the season.

ok so its 5000 as near as dammit! Thanks


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on December 20, 2015, 10:31:08 am
Yesterdays gate was well down due to us not being unable to sell tickets to anyone not on the data base.

No decent local Christmas new-year fixtures is a bit of a disappointment, but lets hope the new marketing dept come up with some incentives to get the less committed off their backsides and down to Sixfields.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 20, 2015, 12:04:32 pm
I don't think many more would have been accommodated yesterday with the current capacity... Irrespective of the database limitations...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on December 20, 2015, 12:35:14 pm
I don't think many more would have been accommodated yesterday with the current capacity... Irrespective of the database limitations...
That's my point, the given figure doesn't recognise that.
So anyone casually reading the figures would presume very few extra have turned up for a top of the table clash.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 20, 2015, 15:06:49 pm
Who cares what anybody reading it thinks? The only figure that matters is the one under the black line and that will show that pretty much nothing more could have been made from yesterdays gate


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on December 20, 2015, 16:10:28 pm
Who cares what anybody reading it thinks? The only figure that matters is the one under the black line and that will show that pretty much nothing more could have been made from yesterdays gate
New owners perhaps who may want to buy out Kelvin and co who don't seem to want to build up the club much more than what we have ???

#justjoking  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 20, 2015, 20:15:32 pm
Who cares what anybody reading it thinks? The only figure that matters is the one under the black line and that will show that pretty much nothing more could have been made from yesterdays gate

And as far as I can see we had the biggest L2 attendance yesterday. That's a black line for me.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2015, 20:30:22 pm
I was surprised it didn't sell out.
If you can't sell out when top of the league playing against the biggest club in the league then you won't sell out this season.
I think the apathy of the last twelve years has had a detrimental effect on the club/fanbase who will need some persuading to return on a regular basis.
I think that showing ambition in the January transfer window would be a start.
If people read in the press that we have signed x,y or z as a marquee signing they may realise that things HAVE changed in regards ntfc.

I believe the current board will have a job on their hands repairing the image of the club to the casual floating fan who got sick to death with things and stopped going.
I wish the board every success with this but if you can't sell out when top of the league it proves that a new approach is needed to galvanise the club and entice the fans who have drifted away/new fans to get down to sixfields.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tcobb on December 20, 2015, 20:44:01 pm
Shoey, 4931 home tickets sold. That's a sell out. There are no more home tickets than that really. 5800 with a full away allocation. That's all you can get.
Need the East Stand in some shape or form, get rid of the two tier price structure, tempt the causal fan back in and that should see even more at the games to come.
It's hard to get some people to buy in advance , there are approx 4,000 fans who turn up most weeks I'm sure KT will work on ways to increase this.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2015, 20:55:12 pm
I have always believed that with the right ambition Northampton could easily pull in 10,000 plus most weeks.
You just have to get the club moving forward and thinking bigger.
If you can get in a household name(a Clarke Carlisle style signing) it generates interest and gets people talking/sitting up and taking notice.
That is how to get bums on seats in my opinion.
This is a very decent team but the average football fan in town won't know any of them.
However fickle it seems you bring in a household name and voila everyone is taking notice.
That's not to say that people aren't noticing at the moment it's just my personal opinion on moving forward.

I must admit when we signed Clarke Carlisle I was very impressed and he was someone I looked forward to seeing play as he was a proper higher level player dropping down to play for us.
That excited me as a fan and made me proud that such a player was representing us.
Just my opinion though


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on December 20, 2015, 21:31:53 pm
We were about 40/50 short of selling out the home allocation of seats yesterday. I was very pleased with that. Once again our fantastic support made the effort.

They were even singing West Stand upper central too.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on December 20, 2015, 21:38:09 pm
If you can get in a household name(a Clarke Carlisle style signing) it generates interest and gets people talking/sitting up and taking notice.

I'm not so sure Carlisle was a household name, even amongst our lot. I heard this conversation behind me at Cheltenham:

Cobbler A "Clarke's have a great game"
Cobbler B "Yeah, he's playing well, so is Carlisle"
Cobbler A "err...."


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on December 20, 2015, 21:44:52 pm
Fans turned up yesterday and were turned away because not being on the data base,  Just hope they're willing to return and not be to pissed off.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2015, 21:59:40 pm
I'm not so sure Carlisle was a household name, even amongst our lot. I heard this conversation behind me at Cheltenham:

Cobbler A "Clarke's have a great game"
Cobbler B "Yeah, he's playing well, so is Carlisle"
Cobbler A "err...."
I knew of him from being captain of premier league team burnley.
Chairman of the PFA
His appearances on countdown!!

Add to that his massive contribution in dragging us away from the relegation zone and inspiring the rest of his team mates.
In fairness I would say it was the best bit of business Aidy boothroyd ever did for the club and in my opinion we did well to get him.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 20, 2015, 22:04:20 pm
I thought that you was on a self exile from Sixfields during that time, are you still on it?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on December 20, 2015, 22:08:46 pm
We were about 40/50 short of selling out the home allocation of seats yesterday. I was very pleased with that. Once again our fantastic support made the effort.

They were even singing West Stand upper central too.
If the 86th min was any indication, those singing in West Central were Pompey fans!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on December 20, 2015, 22:13:07 pm
If the 86th min was any indication, those singing in West Central were Pompey fans!

Prawn sarnie brigade don't count.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2015, 22:28:33 pm
I thought that you was on a self exile from Sixfields during that time, are you still on it?
I have now purchased a season ticket to show willing even though I know I won't make many games.
I went to the Yeovil game but only saw one half as I wasnt well and spent the second half in the west stand toilets being ill.
I wanted to go to the Pompey game but didn't feel well enough and felt guilty because my friend didn't want to go on his own.
I'm hoping to make a couple before the end of the season and am determined to be present for the promotion party.
Thanks for asking
Shoey.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 20, 2015, 22:31:36 pm
Fans turned up yesterday and were turned away because not being on the data base,  Just hope they're willing to return and not be to ****ed off.
This was to stop Portsmouth fans buying tickets in the home areas. But you knew that.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on December 20, 2015, 22:34:49 pm
As an aside I used to really enjoy my football but it's not fun when your not feeling great and it's a chore to be there.
I just need to feel 100% to be able to enjoy it.
Trust me it is a horrible feeling to be at something you know you should be enjoying but can't!
It's hard to explain but at the moment I just struggle to comprehend how this should be one of my happiest cobblers supporting moments but it isn't.
I'm sure il be back well enough to be able to enjoy the rollercoaster soon and look forward to cheering on the team rather than throwing up in the west stand toilets.
Up the teyn.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 20, 2015, 23:18:38 pm
If the 86th min was any indication, those singing in West Central were Pompey fans!

 Are sure about this as I was in said area.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Tony Tourettes Adc**k on December 21, 2015, 02:34:53 am
Some good points made.

Lets face it there is bound to be apathy in the Town, after such a long time of being badly run and bottom of the league. Sixfields is also a pretty poor and uninspiring stadium but with huge potential. I know it's our home but it does put many off especially at the moment. Without the capacity to make it easy for walk-up, impulse custom there will always be pockets of empty seats even when near capacity.

In reality it's day one of hopefully a bright new future. KT has spoken with more sense in just a few weeks than dick head spoke in a decade and I'm sure he's more than aware of the potential.

I don't think we need to worry about numbers just yet, a promotion, a new stand and some tangible promise will do wonders. We're finally going in the right direction.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on December 21, 2015, 06:04:26 am
What is it with this constant criticism of Sixfields, if you are a casual fan that wants to randomly go and watch a game of football Sixfields serves its purpose. Ok it isn't the best ground in the world but you get a good view of the game from pretty much anywhere you sit, there are facilities that serve a purpose (whilst not amazing)
If it was the ground that hooked people once they had been once then stadium MK would be rammed every week - and not just with away fans


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Tony Tourettes Adc**k on December 22, 2015, 00:12:58 am
What is it with this constant criticism of Sixfields, if you are a casual fan that wants to randomly go and watch a game of football Sixfields serves its purpose. Ok it isn't the best ground in the world but you get a good view of the game from pretty much anywhere you sit, there are facilities that serve a purpose (whilst not amazing)
If it was the ground that hooked people once they had been once then stadium MK would be rammed every week - and not just with away fans

Sixfields doesn't serve it's purpose for anything other than mid-lower 4th division football.

Currently it's one stand with nothing to offer crucial corporate sponsorship and a couple of the most basic single tier stands you could build. If this form continues pretty soon casual fans wont be able to get in.

The Mongs FA Cup game might not be the most attractive but it's a huge lost opportunity to promote to and entice local businesses connected in both counties. A breeze block restaurant then a shit seat in the west stand is as non-league as it gets.

Face facts. It's a good view for 5000 non commercial customers nothing more.

I'm not accusing you bri77, but we've just witnessed people blindly defending DC for a year or more just because he was chairman and they won't hear any criticism of anything to do with the club and that nearly finished us.

Sixfields is shit. Fact. End of. MK's ground whether full or not makes them money.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 22, 2015, 06:05:43 am
Sixfields was very much built on the cheap. The stands don't even fit the length or width of the pitch for God sake! Every single new ground now it's a minimum 15,000 capacity, twice what Lego land holds.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on December 22, 2015, 07:19:30 am
Clearly it can be better and was 100% built on the cheap but my (long winded) point was for a casual fan it does serve a purpose.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on December 22, 2015, 07:35:02 am
Hold that thought. You might have a different perspective soon.


Oooooh there's an in the know comment without saying too much but getting us all excited ;)
Tell more Nigel.....please!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on December 22, 2015, 07:50:48 am

Oooooh there's an in the know comment without saying too much but getting us all excited ;)
Tell more Nigel.....please!
one or two dissenting voices were unhappy about Kelvins plan to keep Sixfields at 7700 capacity so he's moving us to Milton Keynes shocker  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on December 22, 2015, 09:00:29 am
Sixfields is shit. Fact. End of. MK's ground whether full or not makes them money.

Can you put "End of" in the middle?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on December 22, 2015, 09:27:31 am
Can you put "End of" in the middle?

 ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on December 22, 2015, 09:46:09 am
Sixfields was very much built on the cheap. The stands don't even fit the length or width of the pitch for God sake! Every single new ground now it's a minimum 15,000 capacity, twice what Lego land holds.

True - but in fact the original plan was even cheaper with the west stand being a similar size as the east and an overall capacity of just over 4000.   


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Tohishorse on December 22, 2015, 10:55:57 am
You must remember that Sixfields was the best stadium that was possible with the finance available and after the County Ground it was luxury of a sort. The North, East and South stands were all built with the capability of being raised to the same level as the West should money become available. We are where we are like it or not and the incomplete stand is a grim reminder until it can be sorted. The best we can hope for is that this happens sooner rather than later but moaning about it doesn't bring the thing forward.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 22, 2015, 10:59:09 am
Sixfields was very much built on the cheap. The stands don't even fit the length or width of the pitch for God sake! Every single new ground now it's a minimum 15,000 capacity, twice what Lego land holds.

Quote - Don't (read) go to sixfields - unquote.
What ever you say it is better than the CC!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 22, 2015, 11:23:47 am
Reminds me of the Pompey fans singing "what the f...ING hell is that", I don't think think that they were expecting us to join in like we did...  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 22, 2015, 12:56:30 pm
Sixfields is average at best.....most of the time it has had the atmosphere of a morgue, but yes, it does serve its purpose as a lower league club football ground.
Should we all rejoice in that fact and accept it or are we allowed to criticise?

Fact is that the ground is over 20 years old now, there have been a good number of grounds built since then, so what was acceptable and seen as hi-tech and modern in 1994 won't necessarily still be the same in 2015!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on December 22, 2015, 16:15:42 pm
True - but in fact the original plan was even cheaper with the west stand being a similar size as the east and an overall capacity of just over 4000.   

Not how I remember it. I remember seeing plans for a 12,000 seater stadium not a 4,000 one.  Never heard of it being that low at one point. 

As others have said we can't really blame the council for. Providing us with the stadium that they did for nothing (ignoring that it was paid for by the tax payers).  We are lucky that the council did this at a time when it wasn't common place.  since then other councils have gone out and assisted clubs with better stadiums but it's very difficult to compare like for like. Every situation is different.

Sixfields could have been better no doubt. I agree about how it's odd that the stands don't run the full length or width of the pitch.

I hope one day that we do see the north and south with another tier. They were designed well to be able to be doubled in size for relatively little.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on December 22, 2015, 16:41:19 pm
The Development Thread - Series 2. Exclusively on Hotel End and Sky Atlantic!

DC Old Guard strike back with: Sixfields was originally planned to be a 4000 capacity, and that it's better than the CC...rejoice and be thankful Lord for what we have!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tcobb on December 22, 2015, 17:06:26 pm
I don't remember seeing plans for a smaller West Stand. If it was the same as the East it would have given a capacity of Approx 5,200 not 4,000. So to get that low it would have been hardly been 1,000 seats !!!!! For a main Stand ?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 22, 2015, 17:32:17 pm
The Development Thread - Series 2. Exclusively on Hotel End and Sky Atlantic!

DC Old Guard strike back with: Sixfields was originally planned to be a 4000 capacity, and that it's better than the CC...rejoice and be thankful Lord for what we have!

Agreed, let's move back to the Redevelopment thread... This will be opened again after the next home game...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 28, 2015, 21:02:56 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool           -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians      - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth           - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                 - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil              - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics  - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley               - 5128 - Mon


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 02, 2016, 15:55:13 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon (Largest home crowd since May 2014)
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on January 02, 2016, 19:20:31 pm


The Mongs FA Cup game might not be the most attractive but it's a huge lost opportunity to promote to and entice local businesses connected in both counties. A breeze block restaurant then a shit seat in the west stand is as non-league as it gets.


Well I've booked 8 tickets at £72 each for next weeks game and grub, which I wouldn't have dreamt of a couple of months ago.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest48 on January 02, 2016, 23:08:36 pm
Well I've booked 8 tickets at £72 each for next weeks game and grub, which I wouldn't have dreamt of a couple of months ago.
Bloody hell the pies were only about £3 last time I looked. ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2677 on January 02, 2016, 23:12:49 pm
Nothing wrong with a steak n ale at £3.10.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Sid on January 03, 2016, 19:29:59 pm
Deepcut - the Stanley home crowd was the biggest since May 2014. So disregarding that game, when did we achieve over, say, 5,000 home fans previous to that?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 03, 2016, 20:48:45 pm
Deepcut - the Stanley home crowd was the biggest since May 2014. So disregarding that game, when did we achieve over, say, 5,000 home fans previous to that?

April 2014!!! lol

Portsmouth at home on Easter Monday 21st April 2014 had a gate of 6,829 of which 1329 were away fans (5500 home then!!)

Oxford at home on May 3rd 2014 had a gate of 7,529 (6171 home fans)

2012/13 season we had gates of 6608 v York (5889 home), 7471 v Barnet (6111 home) and 6563 v Cheltenham in the playoff semi final (5910 home fans)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Sid on January 04, 2016, 13:11:53 pm
Cheers GPC, good stats!

I suppose the Play-Off season would've been high, but it would be interesting to compare like-for-like December/January games across previous seasons, it must compare quite highly at the moment even with reduced attendance.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 09, 2016, 15:55:56 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon (Largest home crowd since May 2014)
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on January 09, 2016, 22:39:29 pm
I thought this game was declared a sellout days ago, why was the attendance only 4,931?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Baby Bear on January 09, 2016, 22:47:17 pm
Ffs!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on January 09, 2016, 23:20:06 pm
Ffs!

?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2487 on January 09, 2016, 23:30:05 pm
4931 is home fans only.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: LeeleeSTAR on January 09, 2016, 23:40:52 pm
4931 is home fans only.

Ahh thanks, I forgot for the Stanley game we had half of the south stand as well.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 09, 2016, 23:48:42 pm
Its plenty, kelvin said so. All hail the new chairman.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2539 on January 10, 2016, 05:25:33 am
Beds- well done in winning the most inane boring person in the world award!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2487 on January 10, 2016, 08:35:23 am
Its plenty, kelvin said so. All hail the new chairman.

I bet you watch EastEnders for "fun".


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 23, 2016, 23:14:25 pm
2015/16 version......
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon (Largest home crowd since May 2014)
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 07, 2016, 06:46:09 am
2015/16 updated......
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon (Largest home crowd since May 2014)
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on February 08, 2016, 12:27:17 pm
2015/16 updated......
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon (Largest home crowd since May 2014)
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)

WOW.... our attendance v York vs the Carlisle game is 47% up. Amazing how winning brings the crowds back along with a new chairman.
(Awaits standard "we need 10,000 sets or leave now" quote from Beds)....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on February 08, 2016, 12:39:40 pm
In fairness it's not a like for like comparison as one match was a Tuesday night and one a weekend.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 08, 2016, 14:22:54 pm
Not sure what stadium capacity has got to do with comparing two random prior attendances?

The point that is being made is that the stadium requires additional seats to future-proof it for potential higher divisions.

I'm quite prepared to give KT time to achieve this.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on February 08, 2016, 16:16:50 pm
Not sure what stadium capacity has got to do with comparing two random prior attendances?

The point that is being made is that the stadium requires additional seats to future-proof it for potential higher divisions.

I'm quite prepared to give KT time to achieve this.

Errr that was my point exactly....I bet he's pleased you're going to give him time to sort the club out that he bought.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 08, 2016, 19:17:36 pm
I'm sure he is.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Poggy on February 17, 2016, 12:52:42 pm
Does anyone know if there is a similar list of our supporters attending away games? We seem to have a pretty decent away following this season


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on February 17, 2016, 13:22:06 pm
Does anyone know if there is a similar list of our supporters attending away games? We seem to have a pretty decent away following this season

The away support figures are listed in the programme alongside the match attendances.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on February 17, 2016, 13:31:09 pm
I don't buy a programme  :(


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Bingers on February 17, 2016, 14:49:06 pm
I wonder if this will go the same way as the 50-50 numbers.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 17, 2016, 19:18:17 pm
I don't buy a programme  :(
Well if you want the figures badly enough you'll have to put your hand in your pocket then


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Bingers on February 17, 2016, 19:37:21 pm
Well if you want the figures badly enough you'll have to put your hand in your pocket then

It is.  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 17, 2016, 20:20:02 pm
Our away followings this season so far......

Bristol Rovers    -   Aug  -  Sat  -   574
Barnet              -   Aug  -  Tue  -  922
Newcastle (CC)  -   Aug   -  Tue -  989
Accrington         -  Aug   -  Sat  -  292
Morecambe        -  Sep   -  Sat  -  327
AFC Wimbledon  -  Sep    -  Tue  -  309
Wycombe          -  Oct     -  Sat  -  597
Millwall   (JPT)   -  Oct    -   Tue  -  212
Cambridge         -  Oct   -  Sat    - 1299
Newport            -   Oct   -  Sat   -  352
Coventry  (FAC)  -  Nov    - Sat   -  2509
Notts County       -  Nov    - Sat  -   999
Crawley             -  Nov    -  Tue  -  381
Luton                 - Dec     -  Sat  -  1032
Plymouth            - Jan      - Tue  -  269
Dagenham         -  Jan      -  Sat   -  892
MK Dons (FAC)    - Jan      -  Tue  -  7040
Leyton Orient      -  Feb     -   Sat  -  1135
Oxford               -  Feb      -  Tue  -  1943


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 17, 2016, 20:43:01 pm
Funny how the away attendances noticeably increase around the time of the off field crisis. End of apathy?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 17, 2016, 20:52:45 pm
More likely to do with an upturn in form and local games.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Bingers on February 17, 2016, 20:53:50 pm
We haven't had much less than 900 for a Saturday away game since October - not bad though I say so myself.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Matthew Rush on February 18, 2016, 08:23:38 am
Our away followings this season so far......

Bristol Rovers    -   Aug  -  Sat  -   574
Barnet              -   Aug  -  Tue  -  922
Newcastle (CC)  -   Aug   -  Tue -  989
Accrington         -  Aug   -  Sat  -  292
Morecambe        -  Sep   -  Sat  -  327
AFC Wimbledon  -  Sep    -  Tue  -  309
Wycombe          -  Oct     -  Sat  -  597
Millwall   (JPT)   -  Oct    -   Tue  -  212
Cambridge         -  Oct   -  Sat    - 1299
Newport            -   Oct   -  Sat   -  352
Coventry  (FAC)  -  Nov    - Sat   -  2509
Notts County       -  Nov    - Sat  -   999
Crawley             -  Nov    -  Tue  -  381
Luton                 - Dec     -  Sat  -  1032
Plymouth            - Jan      - Tue  -  269
Dagenham         -  Jan      -  Sat   -  892
MK Dons (FAC)    - Jan      -  Tue  -  7040
Leyton Orient      -  Feb     -   Sat  -  1135
Oxford               -  Feb      -  Tue  -  1943

An average of 755 on the road in the league this season. Not bad at all.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: SteveRiches on February 18, 2016, 09:45:53 am
Isn't it about time this thread was preserved and frozen in cyber-space as an example of how lovely things can become?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 18, 2016, 12:31:36 pm
Wonder how many we'll take to Carlisle?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Monkey on February 18, 2016, 13:21:02 pm
A chunk of the remaining away games are a fair old jaunt though (Hartlepool, Carlilse, Exeter, Yeovil, and you can probably include York as it's a Tue night), which will likely bring the averages down. They will be better attended if it's the game is more significant one to secure promotion/champions etc.
We do normally take a decent following to Stevenage and Mansfield though and an end of season party at Portsmouth is on the cards which may boost the averages back up again!

With perhaps the exception of the real Wimbledon on a Tuesday night, I'd expect all the remaining home allocations ticket to be close to selling out.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Sid on February 18, 2016, 13:28:22 pm
I think rather than apathy, for Wycombe it was the extortionate away stand prices! That's said, Orient was similarly priced, but easier to digest when on form! :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Sid on February 18, 2016, 13:29:01 pm
I think rather than apathy, for Wycombe it was the extortionate away stand prices! That's said, Orient was similarly priced, but easier to digest when on form! :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on February 18, 2016, 13:42:35 pm
An average of 755 on the road in the league this season. Not bad at all.

And an average of 3,300k for the last 3 away games.   ;D




Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on February 18, 2016, 13:52:42 pm
Well if you want the figures badly enough you'll have to put your hand in your pocket then

I didn't ask for the figures. So guess I don't want them badly at all.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on February 18, 2016, 14:05:40 pm
A chunk of the remaining away games are a fair old jaunt though (Hartlepool, Carlilse, Exeter, Yeovil, and you can probably include York as it's a Tue night), which will likely bring the averages down. They will be better attended if it's the game is more significant one to secure promotion/champions etc.
We do normally take a decent following to Stevenage and Mansfield though and an end of season party at Portsmouth is on the cards which may boost the averages back up again!

With perhaps the exception of the real Wimbledon on a Tuesday night, I'd expect all the remaining home allocations ticket to be close to selling out.
And so they should.
Not being a killjoy here but we should be having to turn people away.
5,000 should be the bare minimum we should be attracting.
If we had a full 7800 capacity we should really be selling that out at times like these.
The fact that we are having our best season for thirty years but can only attract 5,000 worries me slightly.
I'd be happier if we had 5,000 inside and 2,000 on the hill unable to get in.
Where are all the fans we need to take the club forward?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 18, 2016, 14:09:17 pm
I didn't ask for the figures. So guess I don't want them badly at all.
In that case, who cares that you don't buy a program?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on February 18, 2016, 14:12:54 pm
In comparison to the 86-87 season the home crowds are poor.
Are we likely to see 10,000 plus wanting to see a league game this season.
If not
Why not?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on February 18, 2016, 14:16:50 pm
I for one would not like to be stuck in the bottom corners of the west stand. More space, More seats, More people. Doesn't take a genius.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: SteveRiches on February 18, 2016, 15:08:44 pm
There will be a massive appetite for the next division up and we need to plan for the extra crowds. I have no problem with the fact that a better standard of football brings in more people - they are not glory hunters, they are not yet fans, just punters looking for better football. Give them that, get up to the Championship, and this club will really take off. This area would get 10,000+ for good Championship games. That just about makes that level sustainable.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on February 18, 2016, 15:15:10 pm
In that case, who cares that you don't buy a program?

If they are the parameters for posting on here I've been going widely off tangent for years. Oh well.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on February 18, 2016, 16:07:24 pm
There will be a massive appetite for the next division up and we need to plan for the extra crowds. I have no problem with the fact that a better standard of football brings in more people - they are not glory hunters, they are not yet fans, just punters looking for better football. Give them that, get up to the Championship, and this club will really take off. This area would get 10,000+ for good Championship games. That just about makes that level sustainable.
How many season tickets would we sell if we were play at the championship level?
5000 possibly 6000? Add 3 to 4000 pay per match supporters?
Being so central how many visiting fans from the likes of Qpr, forest, Cov, Sheff wed/utd, Birmingham city, Mk, wolves etc, could we realistically expect to visit if we could cater for say  2500?

I just hope that pokey little Sixfields doesn't stop us from ever finding out!

I'm like everyone else just waiting for the old ' as and when, and only when financially viable' becomes viable 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on February 18, 2016, 16:18:34 pm
The last stellar team we had in 86/7 we had bigger attendancies than now.
The town/county/catchment area has grown.
The attendancies have dropped.
As I said many times apathy reigned.
Now we seem to have a decent board with a clear vision the first task is to get bums on seats and make following your local team appetising once more.
The signings since KT took over have been top quality but I still think if we gain promotion a top notch household name signing is still required to make the apathetic Northampton public sit up and actually realise their local team means business.

The fact that we are flying high and playing the best football in years still doesn't seem to have fired the imagination of the Northampton public in the way I hoped it would.
Something still needs to be done to wake them up.
A signing like Joe Cole for Coventry perhaps?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 18, 2016, 16:38:22 pm
We've sold out a home game 3 days beforehand and taken 2,000 to an away game on a Tuesday and people are talking about apathy?

The fact is that when the stadium gets down to 200/100 or fewer seats available then people are put off because they can't sit where they want or even sit with their friends/family etc. I know I would be put off as a fairweather fan if I couldn't sit next to my Dad.

Bigger would capacity alleviate this.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on February 18, 2016, 16:48:08 pm
In comparison to the 86-87 season the home crowds are poor.
Are we likely to see 10,000 plus wanting to see a league game this season.
If not
Why not?

Not that old chestnut.....
Sky TV has brainwashed generations into becoming sofa dwelling expert "fans"....
MK Mongs have rocked up on our door step.
Oh... and believe it or not, I think you may have posted on this, but some bloke massively f***ed up development with alleged misuse of funds..... there maybe a thread on this somewhere.
That's why not....

People would rather watch "their team" on the TV than watch a real team in a cold stadium.

Oh and I think it was one game at home where we had 10,000 (Cardiff).... so let's not get too carried away eh?
Glad to see you still putting as negative spin though on this amazing season....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on February 18, 2016, 16:51:57 pm
We've sold out a home game 3 days beforehand and taken 2,000 to an away game on a Tuesday and people are talking about apathy?

The fact is that when the stadium gets down to 200/100 or fewer seats available then people are put off because they can't sit where they want or even sit with their friends/family etc. I know I would be put off as a fairweather fan if I couldn't sit next to my Dad.

Bigger would capacity alleviate this.

It wouldn't because according to Beds and Shoemaker....we'd have 9800 fans in every week and there would still be issues.
We clearly need a Darlington 30k+ seater so we can all rattle around with space to spread out and relax without fear of some noisy ruffian singing next to you lol


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 18, 2016, 17:03:24 pm
How many season tickets would we sell if we were play at the championship level?
5000 possibly 6000? Add 3 to 4000 pay per match supporters?
Being so central how many visiting fans from the likes of Qpr, forest, Cov, Sheff wed/utd, Birmingham city, Mk, wolves etc, could we realistically expect to visit if we could cater for say  2500?

I just hope that pokey little Sixfields doesn't stop us from ever finding out!

I'm like everyone else just waiting for the old ' as and when, and only when financially viable' becomes viable 
I suggested an idea last week which you ignored.
You put the money up and get the seats fitted and the safety requirements all sorted and you keep all profits. Put it to kelvin. If it's such a sure winner then you'll easily get the backing from a bank.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 18, 2016, 17:08:41 pm
If they are the parameters for posting on here I've been going widely off tangent for years. Oh well.
somebody said the figures were in the program.  You said you didn't buy programs. From this I deduced that you wanted the figures but would have to go without due to your program boycott. You then tell me that you don't want the figures anyway... In which case - why tell us that you don't buy programs then?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 18, 2016, 17:11:42 pm
He's good at plucking figures from the air to back up his argument but not very good at transferring the same into reality. We have not had a home match for a fortnight, it would only take a week he said. Shame really, I would have thanked him from the heart of my bottom if he had...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 18, 2016, 17:56:35 pm
We can't get 10,000 into Sixfields so that is why we aren't getting 10,000 gates! I also believe what others have said in that the small capacity puts people off trying, not wanting to sit in the corners etc. If the capacity was 10,000 then we would probably get close to that figure for some games. In 86/87 we exceeded 10,000 only twice - the Cardiff game, just over 11,000 over Christmas and the FA Cup replay with Southend, just over 10,000 with the carrot of a trip to Newcastle for the victors. The average gate was around 6500 which dropped the followng season at the higher level. We would easily achieve 6500 now if the ground was big enough. Of course back then you could just rock up and pay on the gate with your mates/family and stand where you want. Losing that capability is another factor for lower attendances. So, KT really needs to get a move on with this East Stand and capitalise on the feel good factor (I'm pretty sure he knows this)!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Baldy on February 18, 2016, 18:03:58 pm
somebody said the figures were in the program.  You said you didn't buy programs. From this I deduced that you wanted the figures but would have to go without due to your program boycott. You then tell me that you don't want the figures anyway... In which case - why tell us that you don't buy programs then?
Since when has programme been spelt program for f***'s sake?!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on February 18, 2016, 18:20:42 pm
We can't get 10,000 into Sixfields so that is why we aren't getting 10,000 gates! I also believe what others have said in that the small capacity puts people off trying, not wanting to sit in the corners etc. If the capacity was 10,000 then we would probably get close to that figure for some games. In 86/87 we exceeded 10,000 only twice - the Cardiff game, just over 11,000 over Christmas and the FA Cup replay with Southend, just over 10,000 with the carrot of a trip to Newcastle for the victors. The average gate was around 6500 which dropped the followng season at the higher level. We would easily achieve 6500 now if the ground was big enough. Of course back then you could just rock up and pay on the gate with your mates/family and stand where you want. Losing that capability is another factor for lower attendances. So, KT really needs to get a move on with this East Stand and capitalise on the feel good factor (I'm pretty sure he knows this)!

You could rock up in those days as it wasn't all seater rules.... I don't think KT is going to be able to change that.
Since we've been at Sixfields (and I'm plucking figures out of the air here), I reckon we've averaged about 4,500 - 5000 across League One and Two.
Yes, we're doing well since October and that's bought the glory boys back out.... and excellent that is.
But, we are where we are because of Cardoza.... I am happy to wait for KT to make the best of the pigs ear that he can.
If that means, the people who've been coming regularly over that period of 4,500+ gates get rewarded with a final 3 months of glory, I'm delighted for all of them.
Those who've unglued their arses from the sofa in the Pickering Phipps or Barretts who are suddenly massive cobblers fans because United are really s*** to drink beer to.... well, I suggest they buy a season ticket next year!

 8)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 18, 2016, 18:26:54 pm
Since when has programme been spelt program for ****'s sake?!
Did you know what I meant though?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 18, 2016, 18:31:34 pm
If we've averaged 5000 since 1994 and the ground now holds 6000 and you take away 1000 for the south stand that leaves...5000, so not sure where the 'glory boys' comes into it. I think that people that might have gone once a month are now making the effort (and financial commitment) to go twice a month


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 18, 2016, 19:14:45 pm
It wouldn't because according to Beds and Shoemaker....we'd have 9800 fans in every week and there would still be issues.
We clearly need a Darlington 30k+ seater so we can all rattle around with space to spread out and relax without fear of some noisy ruffian singing next to you lol

Quoting the Darlo example is a tad extreme but I think we all agree that a 12k capacity is the ideal and I'm looking forwards to KT's plan to take the stadium forwards.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on February 18, 2016, 19:22:02 pm
It wouldn't because according to Beds and Shoemaker....we'd have 9800 fans in every week and there would still be issues.
We clearly need a Darlington 30k+ seater so we can all rattle around with space to spread out and relax without fear of some noisy ruffian singing next to you lol
A bigger capacity would help.
But at the moment I haven't heard of fans unable to attend.
I hope this changes and we have people outside trying to get in!!!!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on February 18, 2016, 19:24:37 pm
I suggested an idea last week which you ignored.
You put the money up and get the seats fitted and the safety requirements all sorted and you keep all profits. Put it to kelvin. If it's such a sure winner then you'll easily get the backing from a bank.
Thomas is the chairman its he who voluntarily sat upon the pot and therefore he who needs to pi5s or get off, no?

On other matters being discussed, having spent 50 years and being a relatively non competitive badly run lower league club...Its surprising just how much love Northampton had for the grand old lady of the 4th division!

Apathy is not something you can accuse Northamptonians of, we have a world renowned successful Rugby club that gets 16000 fans flocking, most paying £45 a ticket.
Those lucky enough to have followed the county to Edgbaston will know how proud they made us feel in recent finals.

So back to the Cobblers, I'm of the opinion that we could be every bit as successful as  Blackburn, Burnley Watford Doncaster Preston etc etc.. It just needs the right people to show ambition kick start this club out of its comatose situation Brough on by a succession of chairman who have a different agenda to the one us supporters cling to.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 18, 2016, 19:27:11 pm
Thomas is the chairman its he who voluntarily sat upon the pot and therefore he who needs to pi5s or get off, no?
But it's a guaranteed money maker. Don't you want to make guaranteed money? It's very easy and will not cost much. I've been told so.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tcobb on February 18, 2016, 19:30:46 pm
I cant make out Shoemakers point at all, is he really wondering why we dont get more than 5,000 fans when the ground only holds 4,900 home fans ?
Fans can not get into Sixfields as it sells out so a bigger capacity is needed, even in this day and age some people will still decide on the day if they want to attend, these people have no chance of watching a game.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on February 18, 2016, 19:43:45 pm
But it's a guaranteed money maker. Don't you want to make guaranteed money? It's very easy and will not cost much. I've been told so.
You can buy into it then
Kelvin just said he has £6,000,000 to invest in the club 8)
That'll get us moving in the right direction for sure, so unless we're really unlucky, this chairman could buck the trend.
But unlike the long drawn out cardoza decade of nothingness, we wont allow that again.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 18, 2016, 19:47:34 pm
I'm not the one that reckons it's cheap and easy to do. I'm the one that's gone with what the person who pays the bills has said. The person for who it is in their best interests to maximise revenue. Don't you think it probably annoys KT to have to turn away money every match at the moment?  Or are you just on a much suspected wind up?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 18, 2016, 19:51:55 pm
You can buy into it then
Kelvin just said he has £6,000,000 to invest in the club 8)
That'll get us moving in the right direction for sure, so unless we're really unlucky, this chairman could buck the trend.
But unlike the long drawn out cardoza decade of nothingness, we wont allow that again.

I thought KT had circa £4m for the stand?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 18, 2016, 19:53:30 pm
Yes but beds is very hit and miss with figures. He reckons he could do the stand for half of what KT has been quoted yet won't elaborate on how he came to his figures


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on February 18, 2016, 20:02:55 pm
Yes but beds is very hit and miss with figures. He reckons he could do the stand for half of what KT has been quoted yet won't elaborate on how he came to his figures
on inspirational radio this week it was reported by kt that he has £4-6m to invest, so that's where that came from.
You try justification for a massive £250,000 quote for just 1800 seats.. I deal in reality.  :-*


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 18, 2016, 20:17:17 pm
Why don't you give Kelv a ring then and put him in touch with your guy who can do it for much less? Why don't you do that?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on February 18, 2016, 20:18:09 pm
on inspirational radio this week it was reported by kt that he has £4-6m to invest, so that's where that came from.
You try justification for a massive £250,000 quote for just 1800 seats.. I deal in reality.  :-*
and between "£4-6m" is the very definition of hit and miss figures!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on February 18, 2016, 20:20:37 pm
and between "£4-6m" is the very definition of hit and miss figures!
Kelvins definition not mine  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 18, 2016, 21:05:22 pm
But why use the top figure?
Why do you avoid the requests for you to contact KT?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on February 18, 2016, 21:43:36 pm
somebody said the figures were in the program.  You said you didn't buy programs. From this I deduced that you wanted the figures but would have to go without due to your program boycott. You then tell me that you don't want the figures anyway... In which case - why tell us that you don't buy programs then?

You really are a genius for deducing all of that from a few words. Fair play to you I rarely know what people are waffling about on here.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on February 18, 2016, 21:57:41 pm
In Round 46...I'm going with 3-1 to Beds!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on February 18, 2016, 22:34:34 pm
If we've averaged 5000 since 1994 and the ground now holds 6000 and you take away 1000 for the south stand that leaves...5000, so not sure where the 'glory boys' comes into it. I think that people that might have gone once a month are now making the effort (and financial commitment) to go twice a month

Glory boys....as in the 5000 that can't get in because the ground isn't 10,000 yet hat are being referred to....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on February 18, 2016, 22:37:08 pm
You can buy into it then
Kelvin just said he has £6,000,000 to invest in the club 8)
That'll get us moving in the right direction for sure, so unless we're really unlucky, this chairman could buck the trend.
But unlike the long drawn out cardoza decade of nothingness, we wont allow that again.

When did £1m for settling wages/debts etc and £3m for a stand become £6m?
Have I missed something?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on February 18, 2016, 22:38:49 pm
Why don't you give Kelv a ring then and put him in touch with your guy who can do it for much less? Why don't you do that?

I second that.... I'll give him your real name and tell him to get in touch.
You'll probably end up sitting in the BedsCobbler stand..... what a guy!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on February 18, 2016, 22:55:03 pm
But why use the top figure?
Why do you avoid the requests for you to contact KT?
no need to as he's all over this forum, on it like a car bonnet.

Where I may  differ is I support the boys out on the field, you the suits in the stand.. Perhaps??
Whilst we play in a shambolic ground unfit for purpose, I shall help the Torquay, Oxford and now Northampton chairman with my thoughts on things, free of charge.  8)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: NTFC Nut on February 19, 2016, 00:23:43 am
no need to as he's all over this forum, on it like a car bonnet.

Where I may  differ is I support the boys out on the field, you the suits in the stand.. Perhaps??
Whilst we play in a shambolic ground unfit for purpose, I shall help the Torquay, Oxford and now Northampton chairman with my thoughts on things, free of charge.  8)

He was never Torquay chairman. Presumably you've seen a news story about his links to Torquay and not read it in enough detail to see that it was in a non-executive capacity. I hope you put more time into your research of this seating plan that you're proposing. ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Tony Tourettes Adc**k on February 19, 2016, 01:58:03 am
We can't get 10,000 into Sixfields so that is why we aren't getting 10,000 gates! I also believe what others have said in that the small capacity puts people off trying, not wanting to sit in the corners etc. If the capacity was 10,000 then we would probably get close to that figure for some games. In 86/87 we exceeded 10,000 only twice - the Cardiff game, just over 11,000 over Christmas and the FA Cup replay with Southend, just over 10,000 with the carrot of a trip to Newcastle for the victors. The average gate was around 6500 which dropped the followng season at the higher level. We would easily achieve 6500 now if the ground was big enough. Of course back then you could just rock up and pay on the gate with your mates/family and stand where you want. Losing that capability is another factor for lower attendances. So, KT really needs to get a move on with this East Stand and capitalise on the feel good factor (I'm pretty sure he knows this)!

Bang on Wadey.

Lets not forget we're also in a media savvy age compared to 87, we're not likely to get thousands turn up to find themselves locked out as Shoey suggests. It's not as if it hasn't been in the news regarding the stadium, it's tiny capacity and a few other issues!

There will be dozens of different factors for KT to consider right now so it will take time. Only a total prick of the magnitude of DC would suggest 18 months work could be completed in 6!

If the development re-starts soon probably during the close season with a positive and clear message to the media that all the problems are history, we now have more room, corporate facilities and a title winning side to challenge league one, punters will return of out curiosity. As shown by Wembley and again against the Mongs, many folk of the Town do not want to miss out when the goings good.

If Poxford do manage to come up too, we should have some biggies next season, Mongs possibly, Pish definitely, Charlton, Bolton maybe so as Wadey suggests we need to capitalise on the feel good factor DC fucked up on so badly.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on February 19, 2016, 07:54:02 am
Despite all the negativity around the ground we are increasing our attendances because we have a winning team going places, which hopefully will dispel the not fit for purpose claims (ignoring the capacity issues of course)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Fred_NTFC on February 19, 2016, 09:28:59 am
Only on the Hotel End could someone be complaining that we don't get more people in when we er, can't fit any more people in. Hilarious.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Tony Tourettes Adc**k on February 19, 2016, 09:37:10 am
Despite all the negativity around the ground we are increasing our attendances because we have a winning team going places, which hopefully will dispel the not fit for purpose claims (ignoring the capacity issues of course)

As was always going to be the case and now it's full, and as long as this success carries on it will continue to full. So it is unfit for purpose!

You can't conveniently brush aside the capacity issue. It's a business as any other and can't afford to turn people away. OK on Saturday for the 4999 or whatever, are you really saying to others who wanted to watch Saturday or in the future tough shit?

Is it also fit for corporate/sponsorship entertainment. No.

That's two unfit for purposes, it is either fit or not. It's not.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on February 19, 2016, 09:43:28 am
My point was the fact that Sixfields has always been criticised for being a crap stadium and the matchday experience has never been improved, the food is rubbish, the PA system inaudible etc so many people have claimed over the years that all this needs to be improved to encourage fans to come. When the blunt fact is it is the team on the pitch that dictates an increase in attendances which we have seen lately.

Our average attendance will be up this season purely and simply because the team is doing the business. Fit for purpose is one thing, areas for improvement is a completely different topic.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: brickowski on February 19, 2016, 09:45:21 am
Great point. I'm not hearing many complaints about the 'matchday experience' at the moment.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Tony Tourettes Adc**k on February 19, 2016, 10:04:32 am
With the greatest respect that's incredibly short sighted.

What do you say to important sponsors that have NO "matchday experience"? It' not all about your inner circle of friends

Get over this trying to defend some inadequate concrete just because it's our football ground! It was to serve a short purpose, that time elapsed a decade ago.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on February 19, 2016, 10:08:29 am
Not claiming it is perfect as there is clearly room for improvement, added capacity and corporate facilities are the obvious ones.

Our concrete block is fit for watching football on that I will defend it.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: brickowski on February 19, 2016, 11:30:55 am

Get over this trying to defend some inadequate concrete just because it's our football ground! It was to serve a short purpose, that time elapsed a decade ago.


Oh don't get me wrong, I hate Sixfields. Away days with the Cobblers are better than home games by about 10 million per cent. But what grounds aren't inadequate concrete? I don't find myself at many other teams' grounds thinking "ooh I wish we could have these hot dogs/cheerleaders/announcers/toilets".


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: SteveRiches on February 19, 2016, 11:37:23 am
Oh don't get me wrong, I hate Sixfields. Away days with the Cobblers are better than home games by about 10 million per cent. But what grounds aren't inadequate concrete? I don't find myself at many other teams' grounds thinking "ooh I wish we could have these hot dogs/cheerleaders/announcers/toilets".
I'd have the Southend cheerleaders at Sixfields!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 19, 2016, 14:16:21 pm
I'd have the Southend cheerleaders at Sixfields!

Doesn't that say more about you than adding to the debate?...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Bingers on February 19, 2016, 14:44:04 pm
I'd have the Southend cheerleaders at Sixfields!

I think it would be more appropriate if you "had" the Southend cheerleaders in the privacy of your own home.  Or at the very least wait until the hotel gets built and use the facilities there.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on February 19, 2016, 15:38:08 pm
Who cares if sixfields is built on the cheap and has little aesthetically pleasing features.. Concrete, steel, cladding, obstructing columns (just a few)
As long as it has an atmospheric feel to it, contains supporters bars, restaurants, corporate facilities, conferencing and other non match day facilities that work well at all other grounds.
The powers that be may be number crunching over high spec finishes and expensive fittings.. Not needed, for £4m we could have all what we require and some.. Then upgrade it as and when we establish our sens in the championship.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: rebelspawn on February 19, 2016, 15:43:50 pm
Who cares if sixfields is built on the cheap and has little aesthetically pleasing features.. Concrete, steel, cladding, obstructing columns (just a few)
As long as it has an atmospheric feel to it, contains supporters bars, restaurants, corporate facilities, conferencing and other non match day facilities that work well at all other grounds.
The powers that be may be number crunching over high spec finishes and expensive fittings.. Not needed, for £4m we could have all what we require and some.. Then upgrade it as and when we establish our sens in the championship.

and how do you know that isnt exactly what is happening now behind closed doors? how do you know that KT isn't fighting and negotiating hard on price, to deliver us the best possible outcome for the £4m spend?

your problem is, you want it all, right now. KT is cleaning up someone else's mess, don't forget that!!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on February 20, 2016, 07:14:35 am
Who cares if sixfields is built on the cheap and has little aesthetically pleasing features.. Concrete, steel, cladding, obstructing columns (just a few)
As long as it has an atmospheric feel to it, contains supporters bars, restaurants, corporate facilities, conferencing and other non match day facilities that work well at all other grounds.
The powers that be may be number crunching over high spec finishes and expensive fittings.. Not needed, for £4m we could have all what we require and some.. Then upgrade it as and when we establish our sens in the championship.

Hang on....I thought it was £6m.
Blimey do you work for DCMG accountants?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on February 20, 2016, 10:56:10 am
Hang on....I thought it was £6m.
Blimey do you work for DCMG accountants?
£2m is my joint venture fee ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest48 on February 20, 2016, 16:24:48 pm
£2m is my joint venture fee ;)
;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 21, 2016, 07:03:09 am
2015/16 updated......
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon (Largest home crowd since May 2014)
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)
Feb - Wycombe.      - 4946 - Sat



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 13, 2016, 11:43:40 am
2015/16 updated......
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon (Largest home crowd since May 2014)
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)
Feb - Wycombe.        - 4946 - Sat
Mar - Cambridge       - 4927 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: paul_ntfc on March 13, 2016, 12:39:21 pm
You couldn't put a better case for the need for more seats than the home attendance figures this season so far (wonderfully tracked here). Of course I know the club are now putting seats in the east stand - let's hope when they're available they all get used to the end of the season. Will really start to show the growth even more.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on March 13, 2016, 14:05:29 pm
Seriously missing the safe family section and extra away fan seats, It'll be good to have these areas back.
Also 4 seats upper west central that are usually occupied by sth were left vacant, maybe these tickets could be offered back to the club by holders in order for the club to resell, gives the club extra revenue and allows supporters to attend.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on March 13, 2016, 15:46:32 pm
I'd have the Southend cheerleaders at Sixfields!

Don't think I'd want to watch that spectacle eeeeeeew......


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on March 13, 2016, 15:47:55 pm
Seriously missing the safe family section and extra away fan seats, It'll be good to have these areas back.
Also 4 seats upper west central that are usually occupied by sth were left vacant, maybe these tickets could be offered back to the club by holders in order for the club to resell, gives the club extra revenue and allows supporters to attend.



Which part of the ground is unsafe?
Best report it to the HSE....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on March 13, 2016, 18:23:26 pm
Which part of the ground is unsafe?
Best report it to the HSE....
I used to take my lad to Sixfields  (before he turned to the dark side) we sat in the east, easy access to food toilets and Clarence whilst surrounded by other young kids.
Can you imagine taking your child into upper west, south side.. Dad what's a ...... ..... and a ......? Or even
Why are those men making coffee bean signs towards our visitors?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 13, 2016, 18:37:12 pm
Don't sit in that part of the West stand then. Fairly simple.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on March 13, 2016, 19:34:53 pm
The most important thing is still to increase the away stand, that will be sold out more than the home areas next season. We should maybe think about not selling seats in the South end of the East stand to season ticket holders and leave this available for if the away team can sell them. Would be a shame to see the home areas 75% full and the away end (950) sold out.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ajp on March 13, 2016, 19:59:12 pm
Out of the current League One teams who look like they will be there next year I can count about six who would bring 900+ how many have we had this year that have bought 900?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2608 on March 13, 2016, 20:02:23 pm
I used to take my lad to Sixfields  (before he turned to the dark side) we sat in the east, easy access to food toilets and Clarence whilst surrounded by other young kids.
Can you imagine taking your child into upper west, south side.. Dad what's a ...... ..... and a ......? Or even
Why are those men making coffee bean signs towards our visitors?



What kind of Dad takes his kid to that end of the stand..... the North end is quiet and full of kids. (Oxymoron)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 13, 2016, 21:11:04 pm
Out of the current League One teams who look like they will be there next year I can count about six who would bring 900+ how many have we had this year that have bought 900?

All depends on when we play them and where they are in the league!! Plymouth took over 600 to Accrington yesterday.....had they been playing us yesterday i'm sure they would have brought more than the 710 they brought at the beginning of the season.

So for me, Cambridge, Plymouth, Luton, Bristol Rovers, Pompey, Oxford would be six this season.

Next season...potentially.....MK Dons and or Fulham, Bolton, Scum, Coventry, Sheffield United, Oxford and Plymouth again, Swindon, Millwall, Bradford (?).......half the division depending on their form I would say.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on March 13, 2016, 22:52:46 pm
We need to get promoted before we worry who we might be playing.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 13, 2016, 23:03:05 pm
Doing well with the home attendances, even turning some away at the moment. How will our home crowds hold up next season if we don't start off too well, whatever division we happen to be in?
As many have said before, it doesn't matter what the off field 'entertainment' and facilities are provided,  we do well on the pitch and they will turn up...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Baby Bear on March 13, 2016, 23:05:51 pm
Can't remember Bradford ever bringing more than about 600, which I've always found odd, considering their home attendances. Bolton's away following, even in the premier league hasn't been the best either.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 13, 2016, 23:27:39 pm
Doing well with the home attendances, even turning some away at the moment. How will our home crowds hold up next season if we don't start off too well, whatever division we happen to be in?
As many have said before, it doesn't matter what the off field 'entertainment' and facilities are provided,  we do well on the pitch and they will turn up...

Precisely - point well made; which one or two on here fail to grasp.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 13, 2016, 23:44:03 pm
Wow. NeverRight commenting on peoples failure to grasp points.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: HallamCobbler on March 14, 2016, 08:45:52 am
Wow. Marquis commenting on everbrite.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Gen.Disorda on March 14, 2016, 09:19:34 am
Wow Hallam and Everbright arse licking each others every word

This could go on forever


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on March 14, 2016, 09:22:14 am
Precisely - point well made; which one or two on here fail to grasp.
There's a lot more lean times than full fat feasting.. So how do you keep hold of and attract new fans to come regularly when facilities are so basic?  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The CrowMan on March 14, 2016, 10:45:07 am
Wow Hallam and Everbright arse licking each others every word

This could go on forever

Wow, I hope so  ;D

I'll get my popcorn  :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TopCat on March 14, 2016, 11:30:21 am
There's a lot more lean times than full fat feasting.. So how do you keep hold of and attract new fans to come regularly when facilities are so basic?  ;)

After one game at that dump that was the County Ground I was hooked. Think I fell in love with the gents urinals behind the Hotel End or was it Tony Ansell's high class catering  ;D ..... No! It was the atmosphere generated around me. End of. We put up with crap facilities if the team is on a roll. 22 odd years on from the CG we are enjoying another great season. Hopefully the first ever title winning season at Sixfields. Fans will be back next season and KT will do his best with the hand DC dealt him....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 14, 2016, 12:38:01 pm
Wow. NeverRight commenting on peoples failure to grasp points.

I am with you on this Einstein


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 14, 2016, 13:09:38 pm
There's a lot more lean times than full fat feasting.. So how do you keep hold of and attract new fans to come regularly when facilities are so basic?  ;)

Our increased attendances this season both home and away is due to the teams improved form. Even last Saturday we were not quite sold out!
I think Deepcuts comments are spot on; you just happen to have diametric views to which you have firmly nailed your colours to.
Promotion and continuation of good form will attract more support; even hangers on!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 14, 2016, 13:29:28 pm
Even last Saturday we were not quite sold out!
Yeah it was http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/cobblers-tickets-northampton-town-v-cambridge-united-3000875.aspx


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The CrowMan on March 14, 2016, 14:39:46 pm
Even last Saturday we were not quite sold out!


The bloke I heard asking where he could buy tickets for himself and his lad will be a little upset to hear that. He was told "Sorry sir, we have sold out for this game".


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: super-si on March 14, 2016, 14:56:05 pm
2 empty seats next to me, but there was probably a reason for that. We need to sell 1000-1500 more seats next season to get back to mid noughties attendances. It will be great to be able to sell tickets on a Saturday to those who fancy going to a match, but we still have to attract more support to make up for the MK factor.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on March 14, 2016, 15:15:09 pm
After one game at that dump that was the County Ground I was hooked. Think I fell in love with the gents urinals behind the Hotel End or was it Tony Ansell's high class catering  ;D ..... No! It was the atmosphere generated around me. End of. We put up with crap facilities if the team is on a roll. 22 odd years on from the CG we are enjoying another great season. Hopefully the first ever title winning season at Sixfields. Fans will be back next season and KT will do his best with the hand DC dealt him....
Quite possibly one of the best hands he's ever been dealt? 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 14, 2016, 16:37:17 pm
Yeah it was http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/cobblers-tickets-northampton-town-v-cambridge-united-3000875.aspx

It wasn't ; the North Stand had about 10/12 spaces and the West Stand alone 4 from where I was sitting. Even the South Stand was not sold out!
If sold out means all non ST seats have been accounted for then that's a different perspective. Clearly there were spaces on Sat!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on March 14, 2016, 16:44:44 pm
It wasn't ; the North Stand had about 10/12 spaces and the West Stand alone 4 from where I was sitting. Even the South Stand was not sold out!
If sold out means all non ST seats have been accounted for then that's a different perspective. Clearly there were spaces on Sat!

It was sold out because each seat had a ticket sold for it. If people didn't turn up, it is still a sell out.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 14, 2016, 16:49:20 pm
It was sold out because each seat had a ticket sold for it. If people didn't turn up, it is still a sell out.

I know , I know ! But I don't believe we had 20 odd ST failing to turn up!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 14, 2016, 16:53:38 pm
Well you better believe it. For a kick off I know of one that didn't go. Secondly, it's very possible that some season ticket holders may well have died since the season started, are on holiday this week, were ill this week, had to work today.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Lappo on March 14, 2016, 17:45:10 pm
I'm a season ticket holder and I was not able to make the match as had to sort something out for work and I do not live in Northampton. I know other season ticket holders who do not go to every match.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: HallamCobbler on March 14, 2016, 18:33:47 pm
I returned my ticket 2 minutes before kick-off making it available for re-sale.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 14, 2016, 18:53:38 pm
For the record I beleive that four games have been advertised as "sold out" to home fans this season......Portsmouth, MK Dons, Wycmobe and now Cambridge.
The home attendances (as per the regularly updated post) have been 4931, 4931, 4946 and 4927.

Thats only a spread of 19 between those four home gates. It is more than conceivable that the gate can fluctuate by that amount when you take into account illness, holidays, other commitments. Theres one old boy who sits in front of me but hasn't been there the last couple of games......maybe he's ill......

We as a club do not have the facility to re-sell unwanted/unavailable tickets so there are always going to be the odd few empty seats.

The game can be sold out without the ground being at full capacity!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: JollyCobbler on March 14, 2016, 19:15:35 pm
I know , I know ! But I don't believe we had 20 odd ST failing to turn up!

A mate of mine is a season ticket holder. He had to work on Saturday, but unfortunately did not find out until Friday afternoon, hence his seat remained empty. This was the second home game he has missed this season, and both of those were 'sold out.'  #NotaHappyBunny ;D
Incidentally, unless the rules have changed a number of seats are always left unsold in away sections to cater for over-spill. This being said, the South looked filled to more than capacity. Three of the aisles had groups of fans standing for the whole match.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 14, 2016, 19:18:35 pm
I know 3 North Stand season ticket holders that weren't at the game due to pre-booked holidays. Also, I purchased a half season ticket in January and where I sit in the West there have been two empty seats next to me for each game.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: JollyCobbler on March 14, 2016, 19:21:43 pm
I know 3 North Stand season ticket holders that weren't at the game due to pre-booked holidays. Also, I purchased a half season ticket in January and where I sit in the West there have been two empty seats next to me for each game.

As I said, seats are left vacant in away sections for safety reasons, so I wonder if this might not also be the case in home sections too?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 14, 2016, 19:24:41 pm
There's always an empty seat next to me for some reason. No idea who sits there, not been seen all season


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 14, 2016, 19:27:34 pm
As I said, seats are left vacant in away sections for safety reasons, so I wonder if this might not also be the case in home sections too?
Possibly but these two seats are mid row, midway between centre-line and South Stand. I know the club have to reserve tickets for scouts, players complimentary tickets and other visitors some of whom may not turn up.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on March 14, 2016, 20:29:38 pm
I couldn't get down to the game on Saturday either and I am
Also a season ticket holder.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 14, 2016, 20:34:52 pm
No, you must have been there. All of these people must have been there. It's unbeleivable[/i] that season ticket holders wouldn't turn up  >:D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ceebee2 on March 14, 2016, 21:36:53 pm
I think some of the discrepancy between "Sold Out" and empty seats on view is the antiquated ticketing system that the previous "Property Developer who wasn't a very good property developer" who owned the club failed to update during his 12 years at the helm. I went to the away games at Coventry, Notts County, MK Bums and Poxford and they all had bar scanning equipment on the gate. Kelvin mentioned the issue at the Fans Forum, so I'm pretty sure it's on his "to do list". Well done Dave!!   


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 14, 2016, 21:57:28 pm
My seat will be empty for the next 2 home games (and probably Bristol Rovers) as I'll be in Japan.

The maybe over Bristol is whether I can whizz back from Heathrow in time.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: HallamCobbler on March 14, 2016, 22:00:14 pm
I think some of the discrepancy between "Sold Out" and empty seats on view is the antiquated ticketing system that the previous "Property Developer who wasn't a very good property developer" who owned the club failed to update during his 12 years at the helm. I went to the away games at Coventry, Notts County, MK Bums and Poxford and they all had bar scanning equipment on the gate. Kelvin mentioned the issue at the Fans Forum, so I'm pretty sure it's on his "to do list". Well done Dave!!   

How would bar scanning equipment... or any other ticketing system be able to re-allocate season tickets seats to other fans?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on March 14, 2016, 22:02:31 pm
My seat will be empty for the next 2 home games (and probably Bristol Rovers) as I'll be in Japan.

The maybe over Bristol is whether I can whizz back from Heathrow in time.

You'll be loaning out the season ticket of course Clarkey hey?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 14, 2016, 23:00:11 pm
I know the club have to reserve tickets for scouts, players complimentary tickets and other visitors some of whom may not turn up.

Precisely - its not an exact science administered by the ticket office. Under the circumstances they do pretty well. Complications may well set in resulting from the situation outlined by Wadey above. Now that seats are at a premium it might be a good idea if the "free seats" policy is reviewed by the club so that some seats are at least freed up.  Sometimes the current situation appears to be bit of "an old boy/pals act" - at the end of the day it deprives fans of a potential "paid for" seat. Appreciate the persuasive arguments of some on here but I take the sold out signs with a pinch of salt.

ps as a matter of interest can GPC or Deepcut give an ""accurate" figure for current home end availability.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 25, 2016, 20:58:27 pm
2015/16 updated......
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon (Largest home crowd since May 2014)
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)
Feb - Wycombe.        - 4946 - Sat
Mar - Cambridge       - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri (new highest home crowd!!)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 02, 2016, 17:03:44 pm
2015/16 updated......
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)
Feb - Wycombe.        - 4946 - Sat
Mar - Cambridge       - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat (new highest home crowd since May 2014)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Charlatan on April 02, 2016, 18:20:18 pm
Thanks Grange


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on April 02, 2016, 18:48:07 pm
Disappearing punters.

One disappeared half way through the first half ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on April 02, 2016, 18:51:03 pm
Next week will probably be the biggest crowd of the season. Rovers will sell out their quota.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 02, 2016, 19:12:56 pm
It should be a record Sixfields attendance. They've sold out long ago and could have sold three times as many. With promotion and even the title to be won we should sell out the East now too.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 09, 2016, 17:31:51 pm
2015/16 updated......
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)
Feb - Wycombe.        - 4946 - Sat
Mar - Cambridge       - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat (new highest home crowd for quite a while)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 10, 2016, 11:58:27 am
(new highest home crowd for quite a while)
thanks statto  :D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 10, 2016, 17:36:04 pm
thanks statto  :D

Couldn't be arsed...  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on April 10, 2016, 17:53:29 pm
Couldn't be arsed...  ;D

       7,461  v Barnet  Oct 1994
       7,557  v Man City Sept 1998
       7,356  v Man United Jan 2004
       7,579  v Bristol Rovers April 2016

So v BR is the highest recorded attendance; another record smashed this season!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Alan Partridge on April 10, 2016, 18:53:57 pm
Update of my list posted earlier in this thread of all 7000+ crowds at Sixfields. At least one more that should become number 1 in this list to come before the end of the month.

 1  7579  09/04/16  L    Bristol Rovers  D2-2
 2  7557  26/09/98  L    Man City  D2-2
 3  7529  03/05/14  L    Oxford  W3-1
 4  7501  13/05/98  PO  Bristol Rovers  W3-0
 5  7471  27/04/13  L    Barnet  W2-0
 6  7461  15/10/94  L    Barnet  D1-1
 7  7443  25/04/98  L    Fulham  W1-0
 8  7435  08/05/99  L    Burnley  D2-2
 9  7427  20/04/96  L    Gillingham  D1-1
10  7422  27/10/98  LC  Tottenham  L1-3
11  7373  22/11/97  L    Watford  L0-1
12  7366  05/11/94  L    Fulham  L0-1
13  7356  25/01/04  FA  Man Utd  L0-3
14  7342  17/11/96  FA  Watford  L0-1
15  7315  28/12/98  L    Fulham  D1-1
16  7302  14/05/97  PO  Cardiff  W3-2
17  7282  20/01/01  L    Peterborough  D0-0
18  7264  01/11/97  L    Bristol Rovers  D1-1
19  7264  04/04/98  L    Burnley  L0-1
20  7260  09/02/08  L    Leeds  D1-1
21  7254  15/09/98  LC  West Ham  W2-0
22  7246  09/09/97  L    Luton  W1-0
23  7244  21/03/08  L    Notts Forest  L1-2
24  7191  18/10/97  L    Gillingham  W2-1
25  7183  08/01/05  FA  Southampton  L1-3
26  7172  12/08/06  L    Notts Forest  L0-1
27  7160  12/04/04  L    Lincoln  D1-1
28  7114  29/04/06  L    Chester  W1-0
29  7107  10/08/04  L    Rushden  W1-0
30  7094  28/12/97  L    Walsall  W3-2
31  7083  22/08/95  LC  West Brom  L2-4
32  7045  10/03/06  L    Carlisle  L0-3
33  7036  04/02/06  L    Rushden  W2-0
34  7028  31/01/09  L    Leicester  L1-2
35  7023  31/12/05  L    Peterborough  L0-1


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: defender on April 10, 2016, 19:07:46 pm
 Before health and safety got involved we had some huge gates at the County Ground, remember?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 10, 2016, 19:20:13 pm
Yeah, bloody health and safety. That hillsborough tragedy has a lot to answer for


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The CrowMan on April 10, 2016, 19:29:14 pm
Before health and safety got involved we had some huge gates at the County Ground, remember?


What colour were they painted?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: wrigleys on April 10, 2016, 20:03:22 pm
Update of my list posted earlier in this thread of all 7000+ crowds at Sixfields. At least one more that should become number 1 in this list to come before the end of the month.

 1  7579  09/04/16  L    Bristol Rovers  D2-2
 2  7557  26/09/98  L    Man City  D2-2
 3  7529  03/05/14  L    Oxford  W3-1
 4  7501  13/05/98  PO  Bristol Rovers  W3-0
 5  7471  27/04/13  L    Barnet  W2-0
 6  7461  15/10/94  L    Barnet  D1-1
 7  7443  25/04/98  L    Fulham  W1-0
 8  7435  08/05/99  L    Burnley  D2-2
 9  7427  20/04/96  L    Gillingham  D1-1
10  7422  27/10/98  LC  Tottenham  L1-3
11  7373  22/11/97  L    Watford  L0-1
12  7366  05/11/94  L    Fulham  L0-1
13  7356  25/01/04  FA  Man Utd  L0-3
14  7342  17/11/96  FA  Watford  L0-1
15  7315  28/12/98  L    Fulham  D1-1
16  7302  14/05/97  PO  Cardiff  W3-2
17  7282  20/01/01  L    Peterborough  D0-0
18  7264  01/11/97  L    Bristol Rovers  D1-1
19  7264  04/04/98  L    Burnley  L0-1
20  7260  09/02/08  L    Leeds  D1-1
21  7254  15/09/98  LC  West Ham  W2-0
22  7246  09/09/97  L    Luton  W1-0
23  7244  21/03/08  L    Notts Forest  L1-2
24  7191  18/10/97  L    Gillingham  W2-1
25  7183  08/01/05  FA  Southampton  L1-3
26  7172  12/08/06  L    Notts Forest  L0-1
27  7160  12/04/04  L    Lincoln  D1-1
28  7114  29/04/06  L    Chester  W1-0
29  7107  10/08/04  L    Rushden  W1-0
30  7094  28/12/97  L    Walsall  W3-2
31  7083  22/08/95  LC  West Brom  L2-4
32  7045  10/03/06  L    Carlisle  L0-3
33  7036  04/02/06  L    Rushden  W2-0
34  7028  31/01/09  L    Leicester  L1-2
35  7023  31/12/05  L    Peterborough  L0-1

So if the gate is over 7000, we lose 37.1% of games, draw 28.6% and win a measly 34.3%. So frankly, if it looks like a match worth going to, save your hard earned pennies and don't go.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 10, 2016, 20:10:36 pm
If it's a league fixture with over 7,400 then we won't lose. Gets rid of that ridiculous "we always lose with a big crowd" nonsense.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 11, 2016, 05:55:28 am
       7,461  v Barnet  Oct 1994
       7,557  v Man City Sept 1998
       7,356  v Man United Jan 2004
       7,579  v Bristol Rovers April 2016

So v BR is the highest recorded attendance; another record smashed this season!

I could have been arsed to do that, it was the home crowd attendances that were the question...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 12, 2016, 18:13:22 pm
I don't know where it is possible to find the exact figure, but the home game against Chester in 2006 attracted a gate of 7114 and the South Stand was split (for the first time ever?). If my memory serves me correctly I think Chester brought 200 odd so there were at least 6800 home fans in attendance that day.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on April 12, 2016, 18:24:58 pm
So the largest amount of NTFC fans to watch a standard league or cup game in the last 30 years was 7050... That was those that traveled away to MK earlier this season!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 12, 2016, 19:32:42 pm
So the largest amount of NTFC fans to watch a standard league or cup game in the last 30 years was 7050... That was those that traveled away to MK earlier this season!

A fair proportion of that number were "non-standard" fans!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 19, 2016, 20:24:12 pm
2015/16 updated......
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)
Feb - Wycombe.        - 4946 - Sat
Mar - Cambridge       - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat (new highest home crowd for quite a while)
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 19, 2016, 21:42:34 pm
Incredibly disappointing crowd to be honest.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 19, 2016, 21:45:32 pm
Maybe our potential isn't as good as I thought. What a crap turnout tonight.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 19, 2016, 21:49:54 pm
But, but, but Wembley! Twice!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: HallamCobbler on April 19, 2016, 21:54:00 pm
Compare it to the last Tuesday night game we had its a big improvement. Hopefully Luton is a sell out. Still a way to go, if we keep this form going into league 1 the fans will come.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tcobb on April 19, 2016, 21:58:01 pm
For an absolute jogging game on a Tuesday night against piss poor opposition that has a crap following. Any reason why it would attract loads. Tuesday night games are always low attendances. This one was not bad considering. It was the 4th highest of the season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Insider on April 19, 2016, 22:03:47 pm
Maybe our potential isn't as good as I thought. What a crap turnout tonight.

It's tough to draw too many conclusions.  For years we've played Tuesday night games this side of Christmas in front of little more than 3000 home fans.  So to get nearly 5300 is a big leap forward, also bearing in mind two long away trips last and next weekend, lot of fans saving up for Pompey, and we are already promoted and champions.  Crawley unappealing opposition.  All counterbalanced by 21 unbeaten on the bounce and just crowned champions.   Let's see where are in October, that will tell us more about where we have progressed to, both on and off the field.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on April 19, 2016, 22:03:54 pm
Maybe our potential isn't as good as I thought. What a crap turnout tonight.
We're getting there but I've always said that IMO the way to get bums on seats is a high profile signing that gets the floating/new fan finally on board.
Get a real coup signing and people will see the club means business and it won't fail to be noticed not just locally but to a lesser degree nationally.
If ever we are on the verge of proving to newcomers that we mean business this is the time.
Make some high profile signings that make a statement in league one rather than making up the numbers and you'll soon have it full for matches.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on April 19, 2016, 22:11:26 pm
Not sure what some people are expecting, it's nearly 2,000 up on our last Tuesday league game and there was nothing to play for.

For whatever reason our 'potential' doesn't seem to be quite as big as it used to be but that became clear at Wembley 3 years ago.

Crowds are on the up, we're playing well, that's good enough for me...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on April 19, 2016, 22:46:28 pm
For an absolute jogging game on a Tuesday night against **** poor opposition that has a crap following. Any reason why it would attract loads. Tuesday night games are always low attendances. This one was not bad considering. It was the 4th highest of the season.

I too was not disappointed with tonights attendance. Way above most previous Tuesday night's.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on April 20, 2016, 06:14:51 am
We hadn't just won the league at the time of our last Tuesday match. It was also before we'd gone on that incredible run and hit 1st. It was just a standard season back then.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 20, 2016, 06:37:57 am
Last nights attendance was reasonable for a dead rubber midweek game.

We still need a bigger ground to maximise the really big games such as Luton at home which has been sold out for weeks. We could've got 12k in the ground for that one in my opinion.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: HallamCobbler on April 20, 2016, 07:00:32 am
We hadn't just won the league at the time of our last Tuesday match. It was also before we'd gone on that incredible run and hit 1st. It was just a standard season back then.

Back then points mattered. It's hard to sell out what is essentially a pre-pre-season friendly.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: threeinabed on April 20, 2016, 07:59:51 am
We hadn't just won the league at the time of our last Tuesday match. It was also before we'd gone on that incredible run and hit 1st. It was just a standard season back then.

as long as you got in to watch the game, whats the problem?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 20, 2016, 09:33:28 am
Last nights attendance was reasonable for a dead rubber midweek game.

We still need a bigger ground to maximise the really big games such as Luton at home which has been sold out for weeks. We could've got 12k in the ground for that one in my opinion.

Look around at the attendances last night elsewhere. Our gate was the highest in League 2 and better than 5 of the attendances in League 1. Wycombe, still pushing for the playoffs couldn't even muster 3000, Exeter "lost" 2000 from their crowd on Saturday......not helped by a pathetic following of 77 fans. Crawley's fantastic 50 were put into the shade though by the 46 poor Morecambe fans who had to suffer their 7-0 drubbing at Cambridge.

Mention too that MK Dongs took a whopping 185 to Hillsborough last night......


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 20, 2016, 10:02:48 am
That 50 must've included all the Crawley directors, there were never 50 in the south stand.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Artlenock Cobbler on April 20, 2016, 10:54:16 am
Not sure what some people are expecting, it's nearly 2,000 up on our last Tuesday league game and there was nothing to play for.

For whatever reason our 'potential' doesn't seem to be quite as big as it used to be but that became clear at Wembley 3 years ago.

Crowds are on the up, we're playing well, that's good enough for me...

Yes, I think you are right. The days of of just having to do well for the crowds to come flocking back are over, I think it's a much harder sell theses days for many and a varied reason.  We've done well really to hold on to a decent following considering everything that has gone on before and crowds have held up so much better than when we were crap at the CG.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on April 20, 2016, 12:05:19 pm
Are we missing a home league game from this list?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tonyg1611 on April 20, 2016, 12:17:27 pm
Are we missing a home league game from this list?


yes afc wimbledon


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 20, 2016, 12:24:35 pm
2015/16 updated......including the Real Dons
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat (new highest home crowd for quite a while)
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 20, 2016, 12:25:09 pm
Are we missing a home league game from this list?

Good spot, all included now...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on April 20, 2016, 12:42:25 pm
Take away the pro factors (just won the league, lovely weather etc) and we are left with a game that meant absolutely nothing. The two matches at the end of the season, we've sold out our allocations for both.

Normally a Tuesday night we'd expect around 3500 home fans. We had more than a third extra. We are not going to grow our support quicker than that overnight.

We need a bigger ground, opportunities to offer deals/promotions etc. Coupled with 2-3 years of success. Only 5 months ago we were close to going bust. Prior to that we had a chairman who gave the fans nothing back for 10 years. (Aside from cheap season tickets which had to be purchased 10 years before they could be used). 7 years of total rubbish on the pitch aside from one season which ended (literally) in tears at the home of football.

As Insider says, lets see where we sit come October time.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2677 on April 20, 2016, 21:35:18 pm
That 50 must've included all the Crawley directors, there were never 50 in the south stand.
I counted 41 from my seat in the north immediately before KO. So yes!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 25, 2016, 15:47:27 pm
The Development Thread - Series 2. Exclusively on Hotel End and Sky Atlantic!

DC Old Guard strike back with: Sixfields was originally planned to be a 4000 capacity, and that it's better than the CC...rejoice and be thankful Lord for what we have!

Deja vu. Locked and those posts that should be on the ReDev thread will be moved to it.
This thread will be opened again on Saturday...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 01, 2016, 13:02:25 pm
2015/16 updated......including the Real Dons
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue (C/C)
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (Paint Pot)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue  (Lowest home league crowd since 23rd October 2012)
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat (new highest home crowd for the season)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 16, 2016, 07:49:18 am
Copied this across from the onefootballforum:  http://onefootballforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/league-2-away-support-thread-2015-2016.8/page-62

Average away followings, not claimed to be 100% accurate but from the information that was available to the originator.

1326 Portsmouth
1161 Bristol Rovers
1039 Plymouth Argyle
1038 Oxford United
982 Luton Town
873 Northampton Town
733 Leyton Orient
612 AFC Wimbledon
549 Cambridge United
490 Wycombe Wanderers
463 Carlisle United
433 Notts County
430 Exeter City
375 Mansfield Town
362 Yeovil
325 York City
324 Hartlepool United
322 Barnet
238 Newport County
227 Stevenage
180 Crawley Town
149 Dagenham & Redbridge
144 Accrington Stanley
119 Morecambe


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 16, 2016, 07:58:48 am
Won the league, least amount of miles to travel and still only 6th best following  :-\


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 16, 2016, 08:46:57 am
Won the league, least amount of miles to travel and still only 6th best following  :-\

Yeah, but if they had included cup games we'd have been higher :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 16, 2016, 08:52:57 am
Won the league, least amount of miles to travel and still only 6th best following  :-\

No surprises aside from Oxelona in the top five, we must have been averaging 450-500 last season?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2677 on May 16, 2016, 08:56:13 am
We averaged 560 ish 2014-15 so 300 more on average if those figures are correct.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: JollyCobbler on May 16, 2016, 09:04:36 am
No surprises aside from Oxelona in the top five, we must have been averaging 450-500 last season?

I'm just surprised Poxford didn't top the league of away followings... or at least finish second ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on May 16, 2016, 12:32:11 pm
Won the league, least amount of miles to travel and still only 6th best following  :-\

BREAKING NEWS: We're not a very big club.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: MCHammer on May 16, 2016, 12:49:49 pm
What would the figures look like as a percentage of average home support?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on May 16, 2016, 13:23:44 pm
Won the league, least amount of miles to travel and still only 6th best following  :-\

yeah - didnt do Pompey any good tho'


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 16, 2016, 14:22:20 pm
What would the figures look like as a percentage of average home support?

AFC Wombles would be up there?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on May 16, 2016, 19:19:57 pm
110178 is the total home fans this season in the league (4790 per game) so that works out at around 18% of home Cobblers fans travel away too!

Pompeys average home crowd would be around 14-15000 i'd say, so their away following doesn't even equate to 10%

Wombles would attract around 3500 home fans, that would be a percentage travelling support very similar to ours.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on May 16, 2016, 19:30:18 pm
I make it 1,144 if all Cobblers away games counted.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on May 16, 2016, 19:51:32 pm
I make it 1,144 if all Cobblers away games counted.

Can someone do a chart for average away followings in the FA Cup only? :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 16, 2016, 21:09:17 pm
Our tiny away section have seriously restricted many would be travelling fans...perhaps ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on September 03, 2016, 13:28:42 pm
Anyone updating for this season. Would be interesting to see average home and total attendance of a title winning league 2 team compared to (hopefully) mid table league 1 team.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 03, 2016, 20:27:56 pm
Anyone updating for this season. Would be interesting to see average home and total attendance of a title winning league 2 team compared to (hopefully) mid table league 1 team.
I would like to see how few families are now being  encouraged to visit Sixfields in comparison to the old regime.
To me it seems attracting new fans is a long term project that's not on the current menu.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: ceebee2 on September 03, 2016, 21:03:33 pm
I would like to see how few families are now being  encouraged to visit Sixfields in comparison to the old regime.
To me it seems attracting new fans is a long term project that's not on the current menu.
I think you need to be more specific regarding the apparently backward steps in this area that have been taken since Kelvin took over, and for heavens sake don't spout on about the virtues of the old regime, please! If it had been left to them we wouldn't have a club now, pure and simple, nothing to attract anyone to football locally, and nothing to inspire youngsters to take a part in football at all .......... that's how bad the old regime were (it's hard to be worse really!) 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Zen Master on September 04, 2016, 07:18:02 am
So the pre season family day and the championship cup still being taken around everywhere with Clarence in tow is not encouraging youngsters to attend?

What Fagin and Pied Piper activities is Kelvin missing and what was his personal response when you asked him and gave your detailed positive suggestions to him?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: pattcobb on September 04, 2016, 07:28:03 am
I think you need to be more specific regarding the apparently backward steps in this area that have been taken since Kelvin took over, and for heavens sake don't spout on about the virtues of the old regime, please! If it had been left to them we wouldn't have a club now, pure and simple, nothing to attract anyone to football locally, and nothing to inspire youngsters to take a part in football at all .......... that's how bad the old regime were (it's hard to be worse really!) 
Shouldn't really give him/her the light of day. Nothing but a troll.
If Kelvin said that black was black Beds would say that it is white.
Man04 ans Shoey I can just about stomach but Beds just makes this forum that bit less enjoyable and interesting.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 04, 2016, 07:49:50 am
Empty seats in the family enclosure..what's that all about?
It used to be full of kids in their respective footy team kits but for a handfull the last 2 Saturday games thid area was virtually empty ..


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Gonzales on September 04, 2016, 11:34:13 am
You'd hope off the back of this performance on TV the gates will be higher next game... I'm one of those that hasn't bothered to go to a game yet this season (meant to but not got around to it) and I definitely will be after this showing!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: pattcobb on September 04, 2016, 13:35:32 pm
Empty seats in the family enclosure..what's that all about?
It used to be full of kids in their respective footy team kits but for a handfull the last 2 Saturday games thid area was virtually empty ..
?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: corno_ntfc on September 04, 2016, 13:37:36 pm
Empty seats in the family enclosure..what's that all about?
It used to be full of kids in their respective footy team kits but for a handfull the last 2 Saturday games thid area was virtually empty ..

Only empty bit was a segregation zone.

Football teams are currently using the North most section of the East, and 6 teams were taking penalties during half time today.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 04, 2016, 15:51:30 pm
Somebody tell that tit that the kids have only just gone back to school.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on September 04, 2016, 16:36:47 pm
Did look very empty (more empty seats than people) on TV


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 04, 2016, 21:08:04 pm
Kids are back at school next week so we'll start to see more school groups in the East Stand again once the marketeers have had a chance to make contact.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 05, 2016, 16:48:12 pm
BUT WHY ARENT THEY AT THE GAMES NOW!!!!! THIS IS A DISGRACE THOMAS OUTTTTTT


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 06, 2016, 08:22:58 am
Just to bring this to the fore again........I'll put the 2016/17 gates alongside those of last season so you can see how we compare!


2015/16                                          v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue                    Aug - Fleetwood         -    5048   - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat                      Aug - Wimbledon        -    4761   - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat                      Aug - West Brom (LC) -    3967   - Tue
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue                     Aug - Wycmobe (CHK) -    1334   - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat                     Sep - MK Dons           -    5349    - Sat
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat (new highest home crowd for the season)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on September 06, 2016, 09:15:48 am
Great stuff, for the 3 league games so far we have had on average 1152 more HOME bums on seats per game. Can only help the coffers!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Adam-NTFC on September 06, 2016, 15:10:58 pm
Interesting as well that the home tie with Col U actually had less home supporters than the Wycombe game this year


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on September 06, 2016, 15:37:25 pm
Being such a small difference makes it hard to judge the reasons why though.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 06, 2016, 17:31:01 pm
Being such a small difference makes it hard to judge the reasons why though.

Feelgood promotion factor negated by the supposed boycott!

Should we read anything into the fact that despite allegedly having 1400 extra season ticket holders this season the game by game increase is a couple of hundred lower than that figure?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 06, 2016, 17:38:11 pm
Feelgood promotion factor negated by the supposed boycott!


Hi


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on September 06, 2016, 18:57:14 pm
Feelgood promotion factor negated by the supposed boycott!

Should we read anything into the fact that despite allegedly having 1400 extra season ticket holders this season the game by game increase is a couple of hundred lower than that figure?

Simple, cause the game by game people from last year are now season ticket holders. We need to find more game by game supporters now and keep the season ticket holders.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 11, 2016, 19:41:42 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom (LC) -    3967  - Tue
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue             Aug - Wycmobe (CHK) -   1334  - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat (2nd highest of the season)
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat (new highest home crowd for the season)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 23, 2016, 16:33:12 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom (LC) -    3967  - Tue
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue             Aug - Wycmobe (CHK) -   1334  - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 23, 2016, 19:03:24 pm
Man utd was league cup sir


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 23, 2016, 21:41:36 pm
Presumably that's a record number of home fans for a game in the record Sixfields crowd?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on September 23, 2016, 22:03:05 pm

Let's not forget The Cobblers existed before Sixfields and 24,523 v Fulham in April 1966 is the record to beat. Not sure how many Fulham were there that day.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 23, 2016, 22:19:57 pm
Presumably that's a record number of home fans for a game in the record Sixfields crowd?
Chester city some years back was over 7000 with a share of the south  stand.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 23, 2016, 22:39:41 pm
Chester city some years back was over 7000 with a share of the south  stand.

The attendance for that game in 2006 was 7,114.......i'd hazard a guess that the home gate was just under 7000, but probably higher than the 6854 the other night.

Just a word on the announced attendance on Wednesday.......I watched a recording of the game on Sky when I got back and before the game started they did one of those comparison table..... transfer fees, trophies won and such like....they also compared the capacities of the grounds, Old Trafford with its clost to 76000 and Sixfields with a cpapcity of 7,796.
What did they announe the attendance as? Yep 7,796.  But thsi can't have been true can it? There was the odd empty seat around......but also two sections of the west were blocked off by TV scaffolding towers.....so those were seats that nobody could sit in!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 24, 2016, 17:25:35 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom (LC) -    3967  - Tue
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue             Aug - Wycmobe (CHK) -   1334  - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: West Stand on September 24, 2016, 18:22:33 pm
The attendance for that game in 2006 was 7,114.......i'd hazard a guess that the home gate was just under 7000, but probably higher than the 6854 the other night.

Just a word on the announced attendance on Wednesday.......I watched a recording of the game on Sky when I got back and before the game started they did one of those comparison table..... transfer fees, trophies won and such like....they also compared the capacities of the grounds, Old Trafford with its clost to 76000 and Sixfields with a cpapcity of 7,796.
What did they announe the attendance as? Yep 7,796.  But thsi can't have been true can it? There was the odd empty seat around......but also two sections of the west were blocked off by TV scaffolding towers.....so those were seats that nobody could sit in!
   

I doubt what the club announce as the attendance is ever 100% accurate. I would be adding a few hundred on if I worked in spin/media/marketing for the club.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 05, 2016, 13:23:17 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom (LC) -    3967  - Tue
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue             Aug - Wycmobe (CHK) -   1334  - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ryan Amoo 14 on October 05, 2016, 13:30:18 pm
   

I doubt what the club announce as the attendance is ever 100% accurate. I would be adding a few hundred on if I worked in spin/media/marketing for the club.

I think the club pays VAT on the declared attendance so unless you want to "spin" your way out of a few extra £££ there's probably more incentive to play down the attendance than overstate it!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 16, 2016, 13:55:40 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom (LC) -    3967  - Tue
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue             Aug - Wycmobe (CHK) -   1334  - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on October 16, 2016, 14:05:33 pm
Not far off 7000. Just as well we lost or we might need to extend the ground for greater capacity before long. Have we looked into that possibility?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on October 16, 2016, 14:42:07 pm
 
Not far off 7000. Just as well we lost or we might need to extend the ground for greater capacity before long. Have we looked into that possibility?
  ;D Yes we have and its been decided on our behalf that some cozy sofas will be installed in the gaps in steel work above the east stand, subject to land sales etc.
Hope that helps ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ormen on October 16, 2016, 15:13:07 pm
  ;D Yes we have and its been decided on our behalf that some cozy sofas will be installed in the gaps in steel work above the east stand, subject to land sales etc.
Hope that helps ;)

Actually the "cozy sofas" are going to be love seats. Don't worry though as I hear they are going to make a one seated version for you  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on October 16, 2016, 15:28:44 pm
Is the next game the last of the Man Utd package games, will be interesting to see how the home crowds stack up then. Would be good if we can keep them high, makes for a cracking atmosphere. We seem to have got the East stand overflow area sorted now also so there are no all ticket games as both away and home fans can buy tickets on the day. A huge improvement where we were missing out before.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on October 16, 2016, 17:05:15 pm
  ;D Yes we have and its been decided on our behalf that some cozy sofas will be installed in the gaps in steel work above the east stand, subject to land sales etc.
Hope that helps ;)

Most helpful. Thank you.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Turf Claret on October 16, 2016, 18:41:56 pm
Not far off 7000. Just as well we lost or we might need to extend the ground for greater capacity before long. Have we looked into that possibility?

Tell me, how does 5889 yesterday against Millwall equate to "not far off 7000"? It's not gone past 6k yet. I'm sorry if I've not got your point.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: JollyCobbler on October 16, 2016, 18:48:02 pm
Tell me, how does 5889 yesterday against Millwall equate to "not far off 7000"? It's not gone past 6k yet. I'm sorry if I've not got your point.

You know full well that he was referring to the overall gate... which, incidentally, is always of relevance when considering ground capacity. Try and keep up ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on October 16, 2016, 19:05:47 pm
I think the club pays VAT on the declared attendance so unless you want to "spin" your way out of a few extra £££ there's probably more incentive to play down the attendance than overstate it!
the club will pay VAT on paying customers. Announced attendances might cause a few questions to be asked but they as long as they can show their working out (turnstile clicks, the computer in the control room that shows exactly how many people have entered the ground by any point, the barcode scanners) then they can announce a crowd of 42 thousand if they like


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on October 16, 2016, 19:28:16 pm
Tell me, how does 5889 yesterday against Millwall equate to "not far off 7000"? It's not gone past 6k yet. I'm sorry if I've not got your point.

No problem my friend.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on October 16, 2016, 19:55:45 pm
the club will pay VAT on paying customers. Announced attendances might cause a few questions to be asked but they as long as they can show their working out (turnstile clicks, the computer in the control room that shows exactly how many people have entered the ground by any point, the barcode scanners) then they can announce a crowd of 42 thousand if they like

Exactly. VAT inspections can be thorough but I doubt they put much credence to the attendance announced by the club - either way.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 16, 2016, 19:56:50 pm
Is the next game the last of the Man Utd package games, will be interesting to see how the home crowds stack up then. Would be good if we can keep them high, makes for a cracking atmosphere. We seem to have got the East stand overflow area sorted now also so there are no all ticket games as both away and home fans can buy tickets on the day. A huge improvement where we were missing out before.

The "package" was to buy tickets for 3 of the 4 games, the fourth of which is Bury at home. So maybe people bought for the first three (Southend, Bristol Rovers and Millwall) and nobody actually bought the Bury game as its possibly the least attractive of the four.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on October 16, 2016, 20:13:16 pm
A result on Tuesday would certainly help future gates and at least the last two home losses haven't been abject defeats - both times they were mainly applauded off the field.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: felipefelop on October 16, 2016, 22:37:13 pm
Tell me, how does 5889 yesterday against Millwall equate to "not far off 7000"? It's not gone past 6k yet. I'm sorry if I've not got your point.

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Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 30, 2016, 20:07:31 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom (LC) -    3967  - Tue
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue             Aug - Wycmobe (CHK) -   1334  - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on November 02, 2016, 18:42:19 pm
Another 513 tickets going to Posh for the Derby game. So still 6500 tickets for home fans, surely we'll sell all of them, surely??


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Matthew Rush on November 04, 2016, 10:35:53 am
Another 513 tickets going to Posh for the Derby game. So still 6500 tickets for home fans, surely we'll sell all of them, surely??

Yes.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on November 04, 2016, 17:23:18 pm
Another 513 tickets going to Posh for the Derby game. So still 6500 tickets for home fans, surely we'll sell all of them, surely??
I bet you'll knock one off if we don't


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on November 04, 2016, 19:46:44 pm
Another 513 tickets going to Posh for the Derby game. So still 6500 tickets for home fans, surely we'll sell all of them, surely??
Hopefully they don't start professional  marketing and deploying  sales techniques as Im planning to pay on the day ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on November 05, 2016, 17:37:51 pm
I bet you'll knock one off if we don't

Why?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 05, 2016, 20:23:44 pm
Not a lot left in the north centre for the boro game. 2 singles down the front in the middle block I think


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 05, 2016, 21:03:50 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom (LC) -    3967  - Tue
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue             Aug - Wycmobe (CHK) -   1334  - Tue
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on November 06, 2016, 09:40:01 am
500 less than FA Cup last year. Interesting. Were ticket prices cheaper last year? is it down to the Man Utd ticket package so, people will have paid for a lot of games games recently esp with Posh away and home in a fortnights time, or is it the fact that people are less and less interested in cup games?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Moultoncobb on November 06, 2016, 11:27:27 am
500 less than FA Cup last year. Interesting. Were ticket prices cheaper last year? is it down to the Man Utd ticket package so, people will have paid for a lot of games games recently esp with Posh away and home in a fortnights time, or is it the fact that people are less and less interested in cup games?

Last years was the second round, added interest of seeing us attempt to get in the 3rd round and mix with the big clubs?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Lappo on November 06, 2016, 11:29:27 am
500 less than FA Cup last year. Interesting. Were ticket prices cheaper last year? is it down to the Man Utd ticket package so, people will have paid for a lot of games games recently esp with Posh away and home in a fortnights time, or is it the fact that people are less and less interested in cup games?

It was also the first round yesterday. It was second round last year. I didn't bother with either game even though I'm a season ticket holder. Went Coventry in first round last year though due to the circumstances. Never too fussed about the cups, unless it's a big game though  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ormen on November 06, 2016, 12:23:38 pm
Add to the above that Harrow brought 350 fans and NV brought double that amount.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 06, 2016, 13:41:17 pm
Add to the above that Harrow brought 350 fans and NV brought double that amount.

Doesn't affect the above figures...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ormen on November 06, 2016, 14:08:40 pm
Doesn't affect the above figures...

What is it with you! You have to split hairs  ;D




I would like to say that the two tickets purchased by myself would not scan on the gun used by the turnstile operative so he just let us through because a queue had begun to gather behind us. Please add two on to your figures GrangeParkCobbler  :P I wonder how many more didn't scan?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on November 06, 2016, 14:36:49 pm
500 less than FA Cup last year. Interesting. Were ticket prices cheaper last year? is it down to the Man Utd ticket package so, people will have paid for a lot of games games recently esp with Posh away and home in a fortnights time, or is it the fact that people are less and less interested in cup games?

Weren't we on a pretty decent winning run at the time last year?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on November 06, 2016, 14:48:37 pm
Weren't we on a pretty decent winning run at the time last year?

We are now, we have won 6 of our last 11 league games. That's title winning form. Just so happens that we had a freak season last year so it seems just OK at the moment


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 07, 2016, 13:37:32 pm
What is it with you! You have to split hairs  ;D




I would like to say that the two tickets purchased by myself would not scan on the gun used by the turnstile operative so he just let us through because a queue had begun to gather behind us. Please add two on to your figures GrangeParkCobbler  :P I wonder how many more didn't scan?

I don't know that the scanners were being used at all, myself and my three kids just had the stubs ripped off our tickets and clicked through by the turnstile. There was nothing on the tickets that said whether it was an adult or child, anoyne could have got through with anything on Saturday!

That said, the attendance is done by the computer in the control room linked to the click of the turnstiles, whether your ticket gets scanned or not its only when the turnstile turns that one is added to the total.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 07, 2016, 16:30:03 pm
Scanners wern't used on Saturday and mine certainly wasn't scanned for the Man utd game either. Can't remember if it was for WBA. Maybe they just use them for league matches for some reason?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 07, 2016, 18:32:13 pm
Mine was scanned, but the guy also ripped off the stub and wrote something on it. A bit long-winded. Good job it wasn't busy.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 08, 2016, 19:54:26 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 19, 2016, 19:51:13 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 19, 2016, 19:52:58 pm
6213 home fans today...and we didn't sell out, there were plenty of empties dotted about!

What does it say when we had two games last season (Bristol Rovers and Luton) where we got more home fans through the gates than a game in a higher division against our biggest (?) rivals?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Baby Bear on November 19, 2016, 19:58:54 pm
That one was to seal promotion, and the other the title party?
And the football was less negative...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 19, 2016, 20:02:39 pm
That one was to seal promotion, and the other the title party?
And the football was less negative...

So it says that we have a lot of glory hunters?!  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 19, 2016, 20:07:28 pm
and the fact Boro took a 1/4 of the East.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 26, 2016, 17:11:03 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 26, 2016, 17:24:25 pm
Next home game will see one hell of a drop I reckon. First game in a long time that isn't either a man utd package match or one of the two premium games we've just had.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on November 26, 2016, 18:35:35 pm
Anything over 5,000 home fans will be very good.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: roz on November 27, 2016, 08:37:22 am
Only home game in December (unless we have a cup replay  :()so that might help boost the figures


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Grove on November 27, 2016, 08:41:21 am
Only home game in December (unless we have a cup replay  :()so that might help boost the figures

Crap form , cold weather and christmas shopping may well negate that


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: roz on November 27, 2016, 09:24:49 am
Crap form , cold weather and christmas shopping may well negate that
True - I meant that the figures might not drop too significantly though as they probably would if we had 2 or 3 home games in December, certainly wouldn't expect them to increase the weekend before Xmas, disappointed that both Xmas fixtures are away this year too


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on November 27, 2016, 13:10:28 pm
As someone has already said, it's our first home game for a while, so I'd expect 5000+ home fans. Maybe a time for a Claret Day or BringABuddy promotion to try to sell the other 2000 home tickets.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 27, 2016, 15:25:41 pm
It's one of the least attractive fixtures at a time of year when crowds dip against a back-drop of poor form. I'd confidently say less than 4,500 home fans....unless we have a big 3rd round draw in the cup and a stub gives you priority!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on November 27, 2016, 17:32:11 pm
It's one of the least attractive fixtures at a time of year when crowds dip against a back-drop of poor form. I'd confidently say less than 4,500 home fans....unless we have a big 3rd round draw in the cup and a stub gives you priority!
we've now officially been entered as one of the early runners and riders in this seasons relegation stakes so that could be used as a rallying cry to arms.. 5700.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 17, 2016, 22:07:36 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 18, 2016, 12:00:51 pm
First game that isn't part of a united cup bundle or a 'stand out' fixture in a long time and a huge fall so none of those 'new' fans fancied it, miraculously though pretty identical to the first few fixtures


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2016, 12:04:15 pm
First game that isn't part of a united cup bundle or a 'stand out' fixture in a long time and a huge fall so none of those 'new' fans fancied it, miraculously though pretty identical to the first few fixtures

So home attendance holding up inspite of poor results?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on December 18, 2016, 13:49:05 pm
Attendances should have been increasing this year on the back of last seasons success.
Thanks to the dismantling of a decent team and the feel good factor being neutralised they are stagnating.
People will watch if they're being entertained if not they spend money elsewhere.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 18, 2016, 13:56:13 pm
Attendances should have been increasing this year on the back of last seasons success.
Thanks to the dismantling of a decent team and the feel good factor being neutralised they are stagnating.
People will watch if they're being entertained if not they spend money elsewhere.

Crowds are up over 30% on last year aren't they? Am I missing something?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on December 18, 2016, 14:03:02 pm
Yes you are, fact we were Champions last year, more season tickets sold on the back of it and the Man U ticket deal to boot.
RPs brand of football is dreadful to watch, can't say we weren't warned by the Vale fans!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 18, 2016, 14:12:50 pm
Yes you are, fact we were Champions last year, more season tickets sold on the back of it and the Man U ticket deal to boot.
RPs brand of football is dreadful to watch, can't say we weren't warned by the Vale fans!

Interesting points, but crowds still up 30%, how many clubs can brag that, none I bet.
Oxford fans warned us about Wilder
We are 6th highest goalscorers in the league, we are decent (not a patch on last season admittedly) to watch going forward.
The problems are at the other end, not defending as a team and not pressing high enough up the pitch.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on December 18, 2016, 15:14:50 pm
Decent going forward?
How many games do we have Revs completely isolated up front?
We can rarely build spells of pressure in attack.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 18, 2016, 15:30:02 pm
Decent going forward?
How many games do we have Revs completely isolated up front?
We can rarely build spells of pressure in attack.



Look at the number of goals scored, ie actual facts.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on December 18, 2016, 15:42:02 pm
Like the fact that we are losing nearly every game at the moment?

Or the fact that we have conceded more goals than the bottom two of Oldham and Coventry?

Of the scoring and conceding during a match I am less confident of scoring than not conceding, not a fact just how the games make me feel at the moment.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on December 18, 2016, 16:04:38 pm
Decent going forward?
How many games do we have Revs completely isolated up front?
We can rarely build spells of pressure in attack.



When did a forward last actually score a goal??


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Patmore on December 18, 2016, 16:28:49 pm
Look at the number of goals scored, ie actual facts.

Nothing better sums up Page's tenure than the fact that we are apparently scoring lots of goals and yet still managing to serve up such an incredibly boring brand of football.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 18, 2016, 16:37:22 pm
6 league goals since September.
One win.
Enthralling.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 18, 2016, 17:39:43 pm
Crowds are up over 30% on last year aren't they? Am I missing something?

Depends what figures you are using!!

Home crowds are up 12.74% this year when counting the first 11 games against last seasons average.

Based on League crowds only....the average home attendance last season was 4790 over the 23 games, this season it is 5400 over the first 11 games. Worth bearing in mind that our crowds were going up last season towards the end of the season, whereas this season they look like they'll be going the other way so that gap may close.

Average away followings will of course increase seeing as we still have some big home games to come.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Grove on December 18, 2016, 17:40:50 pm
Crowds up 30% but not on the corresponding fixture , last game before xmas last year almost the same .yesterday , 1300 less than the Boro game, 800 less than the Bolton game , all shopping ?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ormen on December 18, 2016, 17:57:51 pm
Crowds up 30% but not on the corresponding fixture , last game before xmas last year almost the same .yesterday , 1300 less than the Boro game, 800 less than the Bolton game , all shopping ?

This might have something to do with the draw of a Peterborough or Bolton game being grater than a Rochdale one for home fans. Just a guess.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 18, 2016, 18:35:32 pm


Of the scoring and conceding during a match I am less confident of scoring than not conceding, not a fact just how the games make me feel at the moment.

And yet we have scored as many as we have conceded, so this says more about you and your negative mindset.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Grove on December 18, 2016, 20:54:03 pm
This might have something to do with the draw of a Peterborough or Bolton game being grater than a Rochdale one for home fans. Just a guess.

Or is it because we are playing dull predictable defensive rubbish


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on December 18, 2016, 21:01:41 pm
And yet we have scored as many as we have conceded, so this says more about you and your negative mindset.

Leicester went down to the 3rd tier a few years ago with a positive goal difference. Just saying.

This season, we have demolished a couple of teams 3-0 and 4-0 (league) whilst losing most of our games by the odd goal.

I think its fair to say that as things currently stand, we look more like conceding goals than scoring. Its not about having a negative mindset (fans perspective), its simply impossible to be a positive Cobbler as things currently stand. Unless you ignore the managers lack of pro activeness, our appalling (and his) game management, the run of defeats (Vale aside), Stourbridge (Jesus!) and the team selection at Peterborough amongst others. And a refusal to hear him say 'we go again'  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on December 18, 2016, 22:10:58 pm
And yet we have scored as many as we have conceded, so this says more about you and your negative mindset.

We conceded against part time Stourbridge and didn't score, yeah it must be my negative mindset.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 18, 2016, 22:39:50 pm
Both the above posts are not the conversation we were having. You said you felt we are more likely to concede than score, facts is, we are just as likely to do either. Only your negative mindset is forming your opinion, not fact.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 18, 2016, 22:43:06 pm
We've scored 6 times in the league since September with 3 coming in the same game. We've won once so I suppose you could say currently we are conceding more than we score.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on December 18, 2016, 22:48:25 pm
6 times?   really....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 18, 2016, 23:01:08 pm
Gillingham, vale and yesterday.
No clean sheets since Southend, also in September.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 18, 2016, 23:14:03 pm
Gillingham, vale and yesterday.
No clean sheets since Southend, also in September.

Again incorrect, clean sheet in the FA Cup.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 18, 2016, 23:27:34 pm
6 league goals since September.
One win.
Enthralling.

This is rubbish and not in the slightest bit true and unfortunately for your agenda, the season is over more than just 6 games against playoff contenders, or it was last time I checked.

Also you are factually incorrect. It's your sort of uneducated nonsense (believed by naive others) that is the issue.

We have scored 17 league goals in 12 league games since September
We have scored 23 goals in 14 games including FA Cup games since September.
We have scored 30 goals in last 16 League and FA Cups games.
3 leagues wins, 4 wins including FA Cup.

Why do you bother posting such tripe?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 18, 2016, 23:28:29 pm
6 times?   really....

No not really. Check for yourself and don't be swayed by people with a negative agenda


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 18, 2016, 23:44:58 pm
Or is it because we are playing dull predictable defensive rubbish

30 goals in last 16 competitive games...............defensive? really? That replicated over the whole season is more than we scored last season. Get real.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 18, 2016, 23:46:05 pm
When did a forward last actually score a goal??

Errr Sam Hoskins.....on Saturday maybe.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 18, 2016, 23:52:16 pm
Just check the last 5 posts. And you guys want to be taken seriously with your views on football and the manager?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: tcobb on December 19, 2016, 03:08:32 am
Cobbler 78 post 6 consecutive posts, that's the best run of the season so far  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 19, 2016, 07:52:42 am
Unfortunately someone had to correct the six errors!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on December 19, 2016, 08:00:42 am
Cobbler78 can you understand why there is some negativity of this board?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on December 19, 2016, 08:50:18 am
Since October we have played 12 league games,

Won 3, Drawn 1, Lost 8

Scored 17, Conceded 24

We haven't kept a league clean sheet since September 24th and only kept 4 all season.

We have failed to score in 6 league games.


Looking at this I don't know why some fans aren't happy, clearly there is nothing wrong at all.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 19, 2016, 09:40:56 am
Cobbler78 can you understand why there is some negativity of this board?

Yep, we are shipping goals at an alarming rate. But people are misrepresenting the situation by lying about facts. We are scoring plenty of goal, we are not playing negative football.

Are we as good to watch as last year. No
Are we scoring enough goals. Yes
Is sitting off when the opposition have the ball working. No
Have we just had a tough run of games with not much going our way. Yes
Did we deserve to get more points from recent games. Yes
Do some fans have an anti Page agenda. Yes (because he's not Wilder)
Are some fans happy we are struggling so they can moan. Seems that way
Will this negative attitude from fans help at games. No


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: threeinabed on December 19, 2016, 10:04:22 am
Yep, we are shipping goals at an alarming rate. But people are misrepresenting the situation by lying about facts. We are scoring plenty of goal, we are not playing negative football.

Are we as good to watch as last year. No
Are we scoring enough goals. Yes
Is sitting off when the opposition have the ball working. No
Have we just had a tough run of games with not much going our way. Yes
Did we deserve to get more points from recent games. Yes
Do some fans have an anti Page agenda. Yes (because he's not Wilder)
Are some fans happy we are struggling so they can moan. Seems that way
Will this negative attitude from fans help at games. No

if we aren't winning games, then we aren't scoring enough goals.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on December 19, 2016, 10:09:08 am
Are we 'good to watch at all'. No
Are we scoring enough goals. No - we were but not scoring in 4 of our last 6 games is a worrying trend.
Is sitting off when the opposition have the ball working. No - finally something to agree on.
Have we just had a tough run of games with not much going our way. There hasn't been an insane amount of ridiculous decisions going against ud.
Did we deserve to get more points from recent games. Possibly, but we also got some points earlier on that we were 'lucky' to get.
Do some fans have an anti Page agenda. No they don't, he was given a great welcome early on, it's his fault he has tarnished this.
Are some fans happy we are struggling so they can moan. Most pointless comment that gets churned up everytime we have a bad spell - some mis guided attempt at psychology.
Will this negative attitude from fans help at games. The 'negative' attitude hasn't reared it's head at games yet - most are too bored to be negative.

We are playing a very dull negative style of football, we allow the opposition to grow into every game by allowing them the ball with not enough pressing. Just because there are people that disagree with your opinion doesn't make them negative or liars.

All I want for Xmas is a better manager than we have.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest48 on December 19, 2016, 10:19:48 am
Yep, we are shipping goals at an alarming rate. But people are misrepresenting the situation by lying about facts. We are scoring plenty of goal, we are not playing negative football
Do you REALLY believe we are not playing negative football ???


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 19, 2016, 11:23:34 am
Do you REALLY believe we are not playing negative football ???


I don't think all the games have been entirely negative. So you think the displays against PV, Bolton, P'boro(2nd) and Rochdale have been negative? I admit that one or two posters on here appear to be a little starry eyed; who can blame them with the absurd short sighted negativity displayed by some on here. Would have thought you might have adopted a slightly more positive attitude; you had your opportunity to air your grievances at the recent Trust Meeting so why didn't you?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 19, 2016, 11:43:36 am
if we aren't winning games, then we aren't scoring enough goals.

Alright Kevin Keegan!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: threeinabed on December 19, 2016, 12:07:40 pm
Alright Kevin Keegan!!

i think its a rather simple fact of football, you will need to score more goals than your opponents to win a game of football.

so, if you aren't winning, you aren't scoring enough.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Grove on December 19, 2016, 12:13:37 pm
30 goals in last 16 competitive games...............defensive? really? That replicated over the whole season is more than we scored last season. Get real.


Is sitting off when the opposition have the ball working. No make your mind up , if this isnt defensive i dont know what is


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 19, 2016, 12:15:22 pm
i think its a rather simple fact of football, you will need to score more goals than your opponents to win a game of football.

so, if you aren't winning, you aren't scoring enough.



Or you are letting in too many. We are one of the highest scorers in the league, so that's not the issue. Surely you understand that.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 19, 2016, 12:19:48 pm

Is sitting off when the opposition have the ball working. No make your mind up , if this isnt defensive i dont know what is


I take "defensive" as being set out to defend and nick a 1-0 win. There are different ways to defend, in my opinion last seasons high press was more effective and better to watch. Maybe we don't have the players to do that now (playing devils advocate) but I think we do. Maybe players at this level are better so can pick their way through it and expose us (again devils advicate) I don't think this is the case, in fact by standing off we are giving them more time to play.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest48 on December 19, 2016, 12:58:52 pm

I don't think all the games have been entirely negative. So you think the displays against PV, Bolton, P'boro(2nd) and Rochdale have been negative?
I didn't go to Vale so I can't comment about that, BUT, the 1st half against Bolton and most of the Pish and Dale games we stood off the opposition, allowing the to get within 30yards of our goal before anyone put in a challenge and that IS negative.
   I assume that we have the opposition watched and anyone watching Bolton should have noted that Zac Clough is a very good player if you give him space, our 1st half tactics involved no one going anywhere near him and allowing him to run the game. We closed him down in the 2nd half and he was nowhere near as effective, but why did it take 45 minutes for RP to see what most people could see after 10 minutes.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on December 19, 2016, 13:02:05 pm

I don't think all the games have been entirely negative. So you think the displays against PV, Bolton, P'boro(2nd) and Rochdale have been negative? I admit that one or two posters on here appear to be a little starry eyed; who can blame them with the absurd short sighted negativity displayed by some on here. Would have thought you might have adopted a slightly more positive attitude; you had your opportunity to air your grievances at the recent Trust Meeting so why didn't you?

Port Vale was a strange game, we were really good in the first half, then arguably against the run of play we scored twice to win the match.
Bolton, first half we were poor, second half we were much better, Bolton showed us how to defend.
Peterborough, I thought we were pretty poor in both halves, the second half we failed to do anything really.
Rochdale, again I thought we were poor in both halves.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 19, 2016, 16:31:13 pm
This is rubbish and not in the slightest bit true and unfortunately for your agenda, the season is over more than just 6 games against playoff contenders, or it was last time I checked.

Also you are factually incorrect. It's your sort of uneducated nonsense (believed by naive others) that is the issue.

We have scored 17 league goals in 12 league games since September
We have scored 23 goals in 14 games including FA Cup games since September.
We have scored 30 goals in last 16 League and FA Cups games.
3 leagues wins, 4 wins including FA Cup.

Why do you bother posting such tripe?
Apologies, i meant to say since October. The tedium of the football has cleary addled my mind.

Yep, we are shipping goals at an alarming rate. But people are misrepresenting the situation by lying about facts. We are scoring plenty of goal, we are not playing negative football.

yes
mistake, just explained
no
yes


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on December 19, 2016, 19:12:30 pm
The tedium of 30 goals in 16 games? I'm afraid we're just not on the same wavelength, I'll leave it at that as this thread is about our increasing attendances.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Grove on December 19, 2016, 19:55:36 pm
The tedium of 30 goals in 16 games? I'm afraid we're just not on the same wavelength, I'll leave it at that as this thread is about our increasing attendances.
Or decreasing, as Rochdale.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on January 03, 2017, 13:24:05 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)   Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Turf Claret on January 03, 2017, 13:49:19 pm

Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Sat

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I'm not sure of your calculations. Wasn't the declared attendance total 6931 with 1067 Bradford tickets?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on January 03, 2017, 13:56:12 pm
No the club tweeted the attendance incorrectly and this was duplicated by a few of the local journos... actual attendance was 6,031 as stated on BBC Sport.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Turf Claret on January 03, 2017, 14:02:23 pm
No the club tweeted the attendance incorrectly and this was duplicated by a few of the local journos... actual attendance was 6,031 as stated on BBC Sport.

Thanks for the clarity  :)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 03, 2017, 16:12:43 pm
Thanks Razor...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cordwainer2 on January 03, 2017, 16:24:04 pm
Do they count tickets sold or actual attendance? My mate tried to book a seat near our season tickets in the West Stand but booked solid according to the web site. On the day about 8 empty seats either side of us?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 03, 2017, 16:27:30 pm
Do they count tickets sold or actual attendance? My mate tried to book a seat near our season tickets in the West Stand but booked solid according to the web site. On the day about 8 empty seats either side of us?

I dont think we've gone down the Arsenal route yet of counting people who aren't actually there!! The gate figure was always arrived at by clicks of the turnstiles which were shown on a screen in the control tower. Everyone clicked through turnstiles 3 and 4 would show as an away fan, hence the "accurate" number of away fans at each game.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Grove on January 03, 2017, 16:37:19 pm
So home attendances dropping, well i never


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 03, 2017, 16:44:14 pm
I thought the near 7000 announced was very high. The East was very sparsely populated, only 100 or so Bradford, and certainly almost nobody at the North End where the Stanair Cup kids and families normally are. There was no half time shootout yesterday.

So to not make 5000 home fans for the first home game in two weeks, on a bank holiday Monday must be a bit of a worry to KT.

The Bank Holiday Christmas home game against Accrington Stanley last season pulled in more home fans than the Bank Holiday New Year fixture against Bradford this year. And there were back to back home games last season whereas we had back to back away games this.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 03, 2017, 16:48:57 pm
And if KT sticks with RP it will only get worse, we could sign Messi an Ronaldo and he would have them standing on the edge of the 6 yard box  ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 03, 2017, 20:38:49 pm
Do they count tickets sold or actual attendance? My mate tried to book a seat near our season tickets in the West Stand but booked solid according to the web site. On the day about 8 empty seats either side of us?
I should imagine for purposes of attendance it'll be people there. For purposes of accounts it'll be tickets sold.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: MKMal on January 04, 2017, 08:26:36 am
If its done on clicks at the turnstyle it must mean its not people that are actually there as all the hospitality people and hangers on go in through the main front doors with no turnstyle clicks.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 04, 2017, 21:05:38 pm
I worked at the club on match days in the corporate areas a few years ago and all guests had a match ticket (or season ticket book) and these were torn off and manually counted. Not sure how it's done now with the scanning system, presumably tickets are scanned at a point of entry. So, corporate guests, scouts etc should all be included in the attendance figure.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 04, 2017, 21:35:08 pm
If its done on clicks at the turnstyle it must mean its not people that are actually there as all the hospitality people and hangers on go in through the main front doors with no turnstyle clicks.

They used to add on a figure to the computerised gate figure, normally around 250/300 per game to take into account the corps/comps/scouts/VIP's etc. (ie those who went through the main entrance/bar areas.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest48 on January 04, 2017, 23:10:03 pm
They scan your ticket/season ticket when you enter the corporate area


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 14, 2017, 18:58:35 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)   Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat               Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on January 30, 2017, 13:55:55 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)   Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat               Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat              Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 30, 2017, 15:08:32 pm
Anyone else feel that the "declared gate" on Sunday was a bit high? There were a number of empty seats in the lower West, plenty empty in the North, lots in the East and the sterile area was there too.

The ManUre game produced a capacity crowd of 7798, yet Saturdays gate was only 255 below that despite it looking like there were twice that number of empty seats!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 30, 2017, 17:42:50 pm
Anyone else feel that the "declared gate" on Sunday was a bit high? There were a number of empty seats in the lower West, plenty empty in the North, lots in the East and the sterile area was there too.

The ManUre game produced a capacity crowd of 7798, yet Saturdays gate was only 255 below that despite it looking like there were twice that number of empty seats!

Quite a few spare seats and was surprised when they announced over 7500. For the North it is always difficult to estimate due to fans standing at the back. Plenty spare seats in the East Stand too.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Dan on January 30, 2017, 18:33:18 pm
I thought the away end was well over capacity so reckon the attendance was correct.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 30, 2017, 18:37:26 pm
Of course the attendance was correct.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The Hask on January 30, 2017, 20:27:47 pm
Anyone else feel that the "declared gate" on Sunday was a bit high? There were a number of empty seats in the lower West, plenty empty in the North, lots in the East and the sterile area was there too.

The ManUre game produced a capacity crowd of 7798, yet Saturdays gate was only 255 below that despite it looking like there were twice that number of empty seats!

Perhaps we included smoke flares in the total.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 30, 2017, 21:16:01 pm
The Man Utd game that had the record attendance had seats empty in the Upper West, taken up by the cameras in line with the 18 yard boxes, possibly about 20 each end. So assuming everywhere else was full that night then Saturday's attendance would have been right with 255 other empty seats. There's no reason why they would purposely quote a higher figure if not correct. Unless they count season ticket holders who weren't there......haven't we had that question numerous times before??!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: MKMal on January 30, 2017, 23:32:58 pm
No because its only those scanned going in that's counted not how many season tickets we've sold.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 31, 2017, 15:55:26 pm
The Man Utd game that had the record attendance had seats empty in the Upper West, taken up by the cameras in line with the 18 yard boxes, possibly about 20 each end. So assuming everywhere else was full that night then Saturday's attendance would have been right with 255 other empty seats. There's no reason why they would purposely quote a higher figure if not correct. Unless they count season ticket holders who weren't there......haven't we had that question numerous times before??!!

How accurate was the ManUre figure though? I recorded the game on Sky, watched it when I got back home later.
Before the game they did their 'comparison' thing that they always do for the David v Goliath games, turnover,  record signing etc....and they also did the capacity of the grounds. Six fields capacity was given as 7798, bear in mind this was before the game!!
Lo and behold, the announced attendance early in the second half was........7798!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 31, 2017, 16:14:37 pm
It'd be unlike a broadcaster to get a lower league club stat or fact wrong so I see your point


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 11, 2017, 15:08:56 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)   Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat               Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat              Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat              Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 14, 2017, 19:57:13 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)   Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat               Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat              Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat              Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue              Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 15, 2017, 07:46:21 am
Inevitably poor-ish crowd last night given half term and Valentine's.

Suspect we'll see an equally low gate against Oldham on 28th.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 15, 2017, 07:55:16 am
Inevitably poor-ish crowd last night given half term and Valentine's.

Suspect we'll see an equally low gate against Oldham on 28th.

Only 602 down (home) on the Crawley game last season and that was when it was light and warm.

I was expecting a lot less; think the gates have held up pretty well given we are 'lower mid table'!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Bingers on February 15, 2017, 08:04:36 am
Inevitably poor-ish crowd last night given half term and Valentine's.

If Valentine's day is the sole reason not to get to a Cobblers match, you really need to get yourself a new bird - not necessarily you Clarkey, but whoever.  What could be more romantic on a cold Tuesday evening in February than watching 22 fit young men running around in shorts.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 15, 2017, 08:22:57 am
 
If Valentine's day is the sole reason not to get to a Cobblers match, you really need to get yourself a new bird - not necessarily you Clarkey, but whoever.  What could be more romantic on a cold Tuesday evening in February than watching 22 fit young men running around in shorts.

 ;D I was there, the Cobblers came as part of the deal when my wife agreed to marry me!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on February 15, 2017, 09:09:01 am
If Valentine's day is the sole reason not to get to a Cobblers match, you really need to get yourself a new bird - not necessarily you Clarkey, but whoever.  What could be more romantic on a cold Tuesday evening in February than watching 22 fit young men running around in shorts.

Walking past TGIs on the way to the ground it made us laugh that the place was rammed with couples. Cobblers or a 'romantic' meal - that's a no brainer  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: wrigleys on February 15, 2017, 10:06:36 am
I would rather be fingered by an elephant than go to TGI's at the best of times.

Beige food prepared by 18 year old 'chefs' high on M CAT with ejaculate on their thumbs.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 15, 2017, 11:16:26 am
Walking past TGIs on the way to the ground it made us laugh that the place was rammed with couples. Cobblers or a 'romantic' meal - that's a no brainer  ;D

Did anyone see Frank and evers in there for a 'romantic'  before the game?   8)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Bingers on February 15, 2017, 11:40:44 am

 ;D I was there, the Cobblers came as part of the deal when my wife agreed to marry me!

Quite right too Clarkey.  When they say for better or for worse, its The Mighty Cobblers they are referring to.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 28, 2017, 22:52:42 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)   Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat               Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat              Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat              Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue              Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat             Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 04, 2017, 17:02:22 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)   Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat               Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat              Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat              Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue              Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat             Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri. . . . . . . .  Mar - Charlton. . . . . . . -  5694 - Sat
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on March 04, 2017, 20:33:03 pm
Thanks for doing this Simon. Our home gates have kept up really well, fair play to our fans again.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 05, 2017, 09:02:58 am
Thanks for doing this Simon. Our home gates have kept up really well, fair play to our fans again.

Simon?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on March 05, 2017, 09:17:10 am
I don't pay as much attention to this place as I once did, I thought it was Grange that has been keeping this thing running. If it's in fact you Major I apologise. Thank you Major.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 05, 2017, 10:47:44 am
I don't pay as much attention to this place as I once did, I thought it was Grange that has been keeping this thing running. If it's in fact you Major I apologise. Thank you Major.

Didn't realise that Simon was GPC, I also thank him, between us we are doing alright... ☺


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 15, 2017, 11:23:55 am
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)  Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat               Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat               Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat               Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue              Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat               Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri                 Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat                Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on March 15, 2017, 11:31:48 am
Strange how we had no Tuesday home games at all pre-Xmas and now we've had 3 in two months...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 15, 2017, 19:00:47 pm
Didn't realise that Simon was GPC, I also thank him, between us we are doing alright... ☺

Keep up the good work Deepcut!!  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 15, 2017, 22:27:35 pm
Can someone calculate the average number of home fans for League games this season compared to last? Overall (including away fans) our average league gate is heading for the highest since 1997/98.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 15, 2017, 22:34:55 pm
You could?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 16, 2017, 01:01:17 am
Can someone calculate the average number of home fans for League games this season compared to last? Overall (including away fans) our average league gate is heading for the highest since 1997/98.

Home fans total last season was 110178 from the 23 league games (average 4790)

Home fans total last season after 19 games was 85434 (average 4497)

Home fans total this season after 19 games is 100331 (average 5281)

An increase (at the moment) of 10.25% on average compared to the whole of last season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 25, 2017, 20:53:17 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)  Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat               Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat               Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat               Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue              Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat               Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri                 Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat                Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat                Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat

Home fans total last season was 110178 from the 23 league games (average 4790)

Home fans total last season after 20 games was 91424 (average 4571)

Home fans total this season after 20 games is 106366 (average 5318)

An increase (at the moment) of 11.02% on average compared to the whole of last season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 17, 2017, 16:57:01 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)  Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat               Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat               Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat               Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue              Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat               Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri                 Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat                Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat                Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue                Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat                 Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon

Home fans total last season was 110178 from the 23 league games (average 4790)

Home fans total last season after 22 games was 103355 (average 4698)

Home fans total this season after 22 games is 117870 (average 5358)

An increase (at the moment) of 11.86% on average compared to the whole of last season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on April 17, 2017, 17:54:22 pm
Interesting stuff. Any idea what the away fans were this season and last season. I assume they would be up by way more than 10%, maybe even 100% more than last season.

All in all, I would imagine L1 puts around 1000 onto the average total gate per game, which over 23 games (23,000 people) must be over £250k (allowing for kids and OAPs etc)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 17, 2017, 19:23:01 pm
Interesting stuff. Any idea what the away fans were this season and last season. I assume they would be up by way more than 10%, maybe even 100% more than last season.

All in all, I would imagine L1 puts around 1000 onto the average total gate per game, which over 23 games (23,000 people) must be over £250k (allowing for kids and OAPs etc)

The total number of visiting fans for our 23 league games last season was 11235 (average 488 per game)
The total number of visiting fans for our 22 league games this season is 18722 (average 851 per game)

So a 74% increase in visiting fans League 1 v League 2


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 18, 2017, 05:27:14 am
So, 5535 home fans yesterday versus home capacity of 6398 (1400 allocated for away fans according to the club). Yesterday morning only 300 home tickets left on sale, assuming none more were sold that means there were over 500 no shows. Wow.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: MKMal on April 18, 2017, 07:11:21 am
I know several season ticket holders that were away for the Easter weekend


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 30, 2017, 15:19:42 pm
2015/16                                    v                      2016/17
Aug - Blackpool          -  2244 - Tue             Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat
Aug - The Grecians     - 3997 - Sat              Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat
Aug - Plymouth          - 3795 - Sat              Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)
Sep - Col U                - 1255 - Tue (CHK)    Aug - Wycmobe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)
Sep - Daggers            - 3911 - Sat             Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun
Sep - Oxford              - 3907 - Sat             Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat
Sep - Orient               - 4261 - Sat             Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Oct - Hartlepool          - 4273 - Sat             Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - Carlisle              - 3388 - Tue             Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Stevenage         - 4158 - Sat              Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Nov - Mansfield          - 4562 - Sat              Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Yeovil               - 4790 - Sat              Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Dec - Northwich Vics   - 3478 - Sat (FA Cup)  Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Dec - Portsmouth       - 4931 - Sat               Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Dec - Stanley             - 5128 - Mon             Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Jan - Barnet               - 4755 - Sat              Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Donkeys           - 4931 - Sat (FA Cup)  Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Morecambe       - 4556 - Sat               Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Feb - York                 - 4993 - Sat               Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Wycombe.         - 4946 - Sat               Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Mar - The Real Dons    - 4748 - Tue              Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Mar - Cambridge         - 4927 - Sat               Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar- Newport            - 5408 - Fri                 Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Apr - Notts County     - 5990 - Sat                Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Apr - The Gas            - 6654 - Sat                Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Creepies           - 5277 - Tue                Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Lootun             - 6823 - Sat                 Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
                                                               Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun

So....

Home fans last year totalled 110178 from the 23 league games (average 4780), and this season totalled 123,850 (average 5385) UP 12.66% on last season.

Away fans last year totalled 11235 at an average of 488, this season they totalled 19776, an average of 860, UP 76.23% on last season.

TOTAL LEAGUE CROWDS AT SIXFIELDS.... 2015/16 were 121413 (average 5278), 2016/17 were 143626 (average 6245) UP 18.32%

Sixfields was 80.08% full on average for league games this season.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 30, 2017, 15:54:31 pm
Great stats GPC. We've broken the 7,000 barrier 7 times in the league this season, the most since 1997/98 when it was also 7, (8 including the infamous play-off semi-final vs Bristol Rovers). So, positive news on the attendance front.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Irchy cob on April 30, 2017, 15:59:54 pm
Just a shame what's being served up on the pitch - it's going to take some exciting signings to maintain any kind of parity with this seasons attendances although we are likely to see more away sellouts next season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 30, 2017, 16:05:29 pm
Just a shame what's being served up on the pitch - it's going to take some exciting signings to maintain any kind of parity with this seasons attendances although we are likely to see more away sellouts next season.

Yeah, I'm sure a lot of the increase is on the back of last season's runaway success particularly with season ticket sales. It will beinteresting to see how many renew. I would guess a reduction in the number of season ticket holders from this season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2677 on April 30, 2017, 19:03:47 pm
I'm afraid to say one of the season tickets from this household will not be renewed.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on April 30, 2017, 20:13:50 pm
I'm afraid to say one of the season tickets from this household will not be renewed.

Why?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on April 30, 2017, 21:08:13 pm
One less from my house too as my oldest is off to uni in September.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 01, 2017, 07:44:00 am
Why?

Why should anyone explain to you?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 01, 2017, 09:52:11 am
An answer of "because they are no longer of this world" would deter anyone from asking that question in future?   ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2677 on May 01, 2017, 10:29:13 am
Why?
Like many I suggest.
She was excited by what was seen at Sixfields 2015/16, has been attending and had season tickets for maybe eight/ten of the last twenty years, but having witnessed this season will go back to picking and choosing the games she joins me at next season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on May 01, 2017, 13:55:03 pm
Like many I suggest.
She was excited by what was seen at Sixfields 2015/16, has been attending and had season tickets for maybe eight/ten of the last twenty years, but having witnessed this season will go back to picking and choosing the games she joins me at next season.

Fair enough, thanks for being open.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 01, 2017, 15:28:27 pm
Fair enough, thanks for being open.

HAPPY?   ;D :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on May 01, 2017, 17:26:24 pm
The effects of promotion......

Cobblers home crowds up from 5278 to 6245 (18.32% increase)
Bristol Rovers up from 8096 to 9302 (14.90% increase)
Oxford United up from 7211 to 8297 (15.06% increase)
AFC Wimbledon up from 4138 to 4480 (8.26% increase)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on May 01, 2017, 17:58:32 pm
The East stand and Wimbledon's small ground make those % true 'alternative facts'


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on May 01, 2017, 19:01:54 pm
The East stand and Wimbledon's small ground make those % true 'alternative facts'

The east stand has nothing to do with the increase in bums on seats. Until we excell on the pitch again unfortunately the ground has enough capcity despite Bed's continous chant of "if you build it they will come"


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 01, 2017, 19:13:31 pm
The East stand and Wimbledon's small ground make those % true 'alternative facts'
We didn't actually sell out what seats we did have last season very many times


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on May 01, 2017, 19:52:36 pm
We didn't actually sell out what seats we did have last season very many times

Not totally sure of your grammar here, even from a simplistic view.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 01, 2017, 20:19:29 pm
but did you understand the point being made?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: cobbler_rob on May 01, 2017, 21:11:01 pm
I think KT deserves some credit for these figures. Regardless of what's on offer on the pitch the marketing has improved drastically and the club is working with a lot more schools and local businesses now which will help get people through the gates

The attendances from the last run of home games has held up remarkably well given the dross on the pitch.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on May 01, 2017, 21:24:07 pm
The east stand has nothing to do with the increase in bums on seats. Until we excell on the pitch again unfortunately the ground has enough capcity despite Bed's continous chant of "if you build it they will come"

But there was a limited capacity until April was there not? Yes. Hence the % is inflated. An example being Portsmouth (H) when we had just gone top only attracted 5,859. Your telling me that would be the same with or without seats in the whole of the east stand. If we had, that would be a 7k crowd


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 01, 2017, 21:45:25 pm
The east stand has nothing to do with the increase in bums on seats. Until we excell on the pitch again unfortunately the ground has enough capcity despite Bed's continous chant of "if you build it they will come"
Youre  still missing the point, with Sixfields being a little  boring and bland stadium that fails to attract and retain the extra foot fall needed to fund a team that plays attractive winning football...
Whats the point in assembling  this all conquering side when only 500 or so more fans sitting in the crap seats are able to watch?
Those decent players would very soon join the ranks of our one season wonders before moving to a more professional set up.
Something needs to give..


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 01, 2017, 21:49:41 pm
I fúcking hope it's you


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on May 01, 2017, 22:21:32 pm
I fúcking hope it's you

 ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on May 01, 2017, 22:29:08 pm
but did you understand the point being made?

Yes


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on May 04, 2017, 10:23:45 am
http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/northampton-town-attendances-3704451.aspx

Average gate (overall) last season over 6,200. Highest for 19 years.

Great news on young season ticket holders growth in memberships in junior age groups too.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: SteveRiches on May 04, 2017, 15:24:45 pm
So we need to change this thread to read "Re-appearing punters"!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 04, 2017, 15:37:19 pm
So we need to change this thread to read "Re-appearing punters"!

Steve, The thread and title was created in response to and questioning the posters opining that we were losing our own supporters, because of the reduced attendances at the start of the 2013-14 campaign.  In fact it demonstrated that we were retaining and invariably increasing the home support when taken in isolation from the away fans figures.  The title, with question mark, is still relevant.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on May 04, 2017, 16:13:28 pm
But there was a limited capacity until April was there not? Yes. Hence the % is inflated. An example being Portsmouth (H) when we had just gone top only attracted 5,859. Your telling me that would be the same with or without seats in the whole of the east stand. If we had, that would be a 7k crowd

How is the % inflated. The figure given is for the increase in number of home bums on seats, not a % of how full the ground was, and opening up the East Stand does not mean that we will be getting 7k home fans every week. We only managed 6k+ twice in 2015/16 and 4 times this season inc man U.
So if we build it do you really think they will come?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 04, 2017, 16:28:07 pm
As has been said before, this season we averaged 5385 home fans and 860 away fans.
We averaged 6245 total attendances, averaging approx 1400+ empty seats per match (depending on the declared capacity).

What does that mean?  I haven't got a clue but it looks good/bad* (feel free to delete as applicable to suit your individual argument).

Is that an acceptable number of empty seats per game? Probably not because it only offers us a maximum 20% increase in average attendances for the higher profile matches.  I believe that we are all in agreement that the ground capacity requires increasing, it's just where it sits in the Chairman's planning priorities of things to do?
At the moment we are not losing home support, but how long will that last following the bow wave of success that inflated this seasons figures?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on May 04, 2017, 19:06:57 pm
I feel that any empty seat is a bad thing, but I can't see a way to improve it without a sugar daddy investing heavily in the team and then the ground to accommodate the increased demand for season tickets and huge away followings.
And before you start Beds a temporary terrace is not the answer, it is a short term knee jerk reaction.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on May 04, 2017, 19:25:34 pm
How is the % inflated. The figure given is for the increase in number of home bums on seats, not a % of how full the ground was, and opening up the East Stand does not mean that we will be getting 7k home fans every week. We only managed 6k+ twice in 2015/16 and 4 times this season inc man U.
So if we build it do you really think they will come?

The flip side to that is that according to the match reports the games against Cambridge (5,828), Newport (5,630 including Cobblers fans in the South Stand), Accrington (5,269 again including home fans in the South stand) Wycombe (5,755) and indeed Portsmouth (5,859) were all played in front of sold out home crowds. Bear in mind that home capacity was reduced to around 4900 for the bulk of last season as there were NO seats in the East stand for most of it.

So there are potentially 5 home games which could have seen an increased home gate last season, which would have pushed up the average attendance for last season and made the percentage increase this season quite a bit smaller. Ergo...the %increase figure is inflated!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on May 04, 2017, 20:03:57 pm
And there are games from this season where we could have sold a lot more, so the figures would have evened out. Ergo.. the % increase figure is not inflated.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on May 04, 2017, 21:04:39 pm
And there are games from this season where we could have sold a lot more, so the figures would have evened out. Ergo.. the % increase figure is not inflated.

Eh?? How many games have we sold out? To my knowledge only Peterborough at home was a complete sell out. We could have sold more away tickets to a couple of clubs, Sheff United, Posh and Coventry (?)

But there were more games that were home sell outs last season than this, and that was due to the reduced capacity. There were also three or four home games last season where the away team could have sold more tickets had we been able to give them them!

So I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the potential average attendance last year would be far higher than what we have lost out on this year.

Lets just say that last year, had we had the Sixfields we have now, the average for the season would have been around 6000, and this season if we had more away seats we could have been up around 6600, giving a more modest 10% increase, rather than the "inflated" 18% figure!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on May 04, 2017, 21:47:02 pm
Eh?? How many games have we sold out? To my knowledge only Peterborough at home was a complete sell out. We could have sold more away tickets to a couple of clubs, Sheff United, Posh and Coventry (?)

But there were more games that were home sell outs last season than this, and that was due to the reduced capacity. There were also three or four home games last season where the away team could have sold more tickets had we been able to give them them!

So I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the potential average attendance last year would be far higher than what we have lost out on this year.

Lets just say that last year, had we had the Sixfields we have now, the average for the season would have been around 6000, and this season if we had more away seats we could have been up around 6600, giving a more modest 10% increase, rather than the "inflated" 18% figure!

Which ever way you look at it an increase of 10 to 18% is pretty good. There is no doubt that had we had an increase (capacity) in the away areas and possibly in the home areas the gates may well have been more impressive. If KT can get the budget "right" for next season so allowing JE to bring in better players; we might just shock the big boys.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on May 04, 2017, 22:00:01 pm
And there are games from this season where we could have sold a lot more, so the figures would have evened out. Ergo.. the % increase figure is not inflated.

I really don't know where to start. At least GPC understands it.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on May 04, 2017, 22:44:57 pm
Which ever way you look at it an increase of 10 to 18% is pretty good. There is no doubt that had we had an increase (capacity) in the away areas and possibly in the home areas the gates may well have been more impressive. If KT can get the budget "right" for next season so allowing JE to bring in better players; we might just shock the big boys.

Agreed, an increase is an increase and it's all good. Hopefully things go well on the pitch next season that we have a lot more sellouts. Then we can have the whole 'our ground isn't big enough' argument again, but this time based on facts rather than maybes!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on May 05, 2017, 07:42:50 am
I think the point that is regularly missed by many is that if we were to have a much larger ground capacity, the club could offer attractive deals on match day tickets to entice the non regular's in.

As things stand, knocking a fiver off and getting a few hundred people in would mean a loss in revenue. If the ground held 15000 then it could probably sell both season tickets and match day tickets cheaper (like Bradford do) and overall attendance would be far higher than current as well as a potential significant increase in overall revenue.

22quid is a lot of money to turn up on the day. I reckon a bigger and better facility would 'bring them in' and increase our turnover.

That said, and on the flip side…to those who don't understand the business aspect. Its all about return on investment. Im certain KT would have done his sums, we also know he's likely to have in place an exit strategy. So unless he can get that cash back and more in the few years he wants to be here then we are where we are!

It is frustrating, at the end of the day our historical ground 'issues' have held us back since 1897 despite having a geographical advantage that most clubs could only dream about. For us to achieve our true potential we are totally reliant on a mega rich owner coming in who wants 'to have some fun'. You don't make money out of football legitimately. If we boost revenue by 10million a season, that would then need to be channelled straight back into the wage bill to sustain that income! Thats why no club outside of the top 4 in the prem makes money. Sunderland are 100million in debt ffs!

One day, who knows. It happened to Bournemouth. I *hope that KT boosts our profile sufficiently to attract those who might fall into the category of 'investor' we all dream about. So for now, KT is doing a great job in my mind. The next few months though are crucial, the legal wrangles surrounding the East Stand need to come to a conclusion before we can fully judge him and his intentions. If that just means that he clears the path for the big money people to come in, then thats cool as well. Time will tell!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on May 05, 2017, 08:15:52 am
I think the point that is regularly missed by many is that if we were to have a much larger ground capacity, the club could offer attractive deals on match day tickets to entice the non regular's in.

As things stand, knocking a fiver off and getting a few hundred people in would mean a loss in revenue. If the ground held 15000 then it could probably sell both season tickets and match day tickets cheaper (like Bradford do) and overall attendance would be far higher than current as well as a potential significant increase in overall revenue.

22quid is a lot of money to turn up on the day. I reckon a bigger and better facility would 'bring them in' and increase our turnover.


That's certainly something I've thought about. Whether the idea of providing cheap tickets/season tickets bears much fruit is debatable.
Bury knocked all prices down to a fiver yet could still only attract 4000 home fans for a crucial game against us a couple of weeks ago. So they put a thousand or so on the gate but probably lost money.
Even Bradford, who offer some of the cheapest season tickets and are able to because of their large capacity attracted a gate of 15,696 for their play-off semi final last night. a gate that was lower than every single one of their home league games this season. I guess it was "all-pay" last night, but the gate would suggest that not even all the s/t holders could be bothered to turn up for the play-off game.

BTW, our walk up price is £24 not £22, I wonder if it will go up another quid for next season?

Discounted games also bring in another issue, as the season tixcket price then becomes less attractive if "pay on the day" prices are reduced a couple of times a season. The West Stand early bird season ticket price is equivalent to 17.27 normal admissions (so you get 5 and a bit games free in effect), after the discount period that figure rises to 19.54 normal admissions, only 3 and a half games free. Reduce prices to a fiver more than once or twice a season then financially it doesn't "pay" to get a season ticket.

Its a balancing act, and its certainly not helped by our low capacity.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on May 05, 2017, 09:18:03 am
I have tried to think of a solution outside the Sugar Daddy solution, but it's difficult to see a way of getting more through the turnstiles without a winning side to watch. A "half" season ticket where the "free" games is maybe 1-2, but as you point out the problem comes with the "all for a fiver" games, and you would have to make them choose their 11 games in advance to allow the sale of the spare tickets, or do as it has been done before and sell half season tickets half way through the season, though this again relies on performance on the pitch.
Maybe in association with the Uni do a student special for a few games to try and get more interested. I have to agree that with the limited capcity it is very difficult to do the "specials". If the east was in use(I am certain that the east being empty is effecting the atmosphere), special rates could be given for "family tickets" etc. to try and fill it.
There is nothing worse than walking into a half full stdium on a cold November night to watch a poor team performance. Unfortunately it is the old "Chicken and Egg" problem.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 05, 2017, 09:53:51 am
The East is in use


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 10:15:26 am
We mustn't think it should be all or nothing as we dont need an immediate unsustainable  multi millions cash injection by  russian oligarchs  to make Sixfields a more attractive place to visit.
Yes some investment is required to acheive some steady capacity growth that should be sustainable allowing it to be paid back over a period of time with intrest, allowing the club to more than benefit long term.
Whenever someone refers to whats required at Sixfields its always grossly  over exaggerated as to whats needed and its costs.. lets do small sustainable builds just enough to make visiting Sixfields more enjoyable for all and allows us to compete as equals with most other league 1 clubs with the hope of progressing to the championship..
Being  constantly someone's  short term 'project'  is not going to advance our club unless we get a modicum of investment.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on May 05, 2017, 10:38:59 am
Beds, you have written copiously on this subject on the Redevelopment thread and correct me if I am wrong but I don't recollect you mentioning anything about the facilities which must be contained within or around the East Stand or elsewhere to make the club have a sustainable future attractive to new investors. Bums on seats, the number largely depending on how we are performing on the pitch, only once a fortnight or 23 times a season are not nearly enough.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on May 05, 2017, 11:21:23 am
The East is in use

I meant fully in use


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on May 05, 2017, 11:27:11 am
Everybody is agreed that sixfields needs to be better if we are to progress up the leagues, the differences occur In how and when that should happen.

What baffles me is this whole we can't compete with teams In League one, a quick look though the table and there are so many teams on a par with us. Why should we not be competing with the likes of;

Fleetwood, Sc***horpe, Southend, Rochdale, posh, Walsall, AFC, Shrewsbury, Oldham, bury, gillingham, port vale, Chesterfield, Swindon,

I know those clubs have to the most bigger grounds than us but surely the budgets go on projected attendances and why should we not be looking higher up he table than just survival when there are all those clubs that are similar to us in size in the league?




Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on May 05, 2017, 11:47:10 am
Beds the one thing that has to be taken into account is that with every increase in seats there is an increase in overheads. This covers everything from the cleaners to the coppers(I am not sure but I assume there is a set ratio for crowd to bobby on duty inside the ground), increased number of stewards, electricity, water and on and on. So you cannot count that the increased revenue will all be available to repay any financing for the expansion. Your simplistic fiancial model just does not work.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 12:00:58 pm
Beds, you have written copiously on this subject on the Redevelopment thread and correct me if I am wrong but I don't recollect you mentioning anything about the facilities which must be contained within or around the East Stand or elsewhere to make the club have a sustainable future attractive to new investors. Bums on seats, the number largely depending on how we are performing on the pitch, only once a fortnight or 23 times a season are not nearly enough.
I have commented on that we badly need restaurants bars and corporate boxes in the east but I have reservations about the posible costs not reflecting  the amount of work we get, leaving us with unsustainable  debts that we may be saddled with for years.
That stand could be finished and fitted out to a basic standard..I not interested in a posible  £3.8m price tag as for that amount  couldn't we do a whole lot more for our club?
Maybe the end users could be asked as to what they require and given some alternative ideas?




Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 12:18:38 pm
Beds the one thing that has to be taken into account is that with every increase in seats there is an increase in overheads. This covers everything from the cleaners to the coppers(I am not sure but I assume there is a set ratio for crowd to bobby on duty inside the ground), increased number of stewards, electricity, water and on and on. So you cannot count that the increased revenue will all be available to repay any financing for the expansion. Your simplistic fiancial model just does not work.
Small and sustainable growth is all thats required.
After initial outlay...  1000 empty seats/terracing  cost nothing..1000 too few seats costs £20,000 several times a season, 
Not being able to sell your product / services due to lack of stock/capacity  can never help grow or be a good business practice... Its is that simplistic..


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on May 05, 2017, 12:26:23 pm
Beds, the end users are not our supporters in the main. The business case exercise has to be carried out on professional market research concerning the demand for restaurants, conference facilities etc.  I see you are back to what I see as your continuing obsession with the number of seats. It is part but only part of the bigger picture.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 05, 2017, 12:31:56 pm
I meant fully in use
oh, it was just when you said it was empty I thought you meant empty as in not open at all.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 12:32:11 pm
Beds, the end users are not our supporters in the main. The business case exercise has to be carried out on professional market research concerning the demand for restaurants, conference facilities etc.  I see you are back to what I see as your continuing obsession with the number of seats. It is part but only part of the bigger picture.
20 years of zero growth and counting has got us where exactly...
Thats right lets fo a survey.... just to prove the fact ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 05, 2017, 12:34:21 pm
Small and sustainable growth is all thats required.
After initial outlay...  1000 empty seats/terracing  cost nothing..1000 too few seats costs £20,000 several times a season, 
Not being able to sell your product / services due to lack of stock/capacity  can never help grow or be a good business practice... Its is that simplistic..
still banging on with that stupid idea about knocking down a stand only to rebuild it in a few years?
You see, the thing with mental ideas that you know will never be implemented is that you can always claim they would have worked because nobody is thick enough to ever try them out and prove you wrong


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 12:45:50 pm
still banging on with that stupid idea about knocking down a stand only to rebuild it in a few years?
You see, the thing with mental ideas that you know will never be implemented is that you can always claim they would have worked because nobody is thick enough to ever try them out and prove you wrong
The only one suggesting knocking down desperately needed stands is you.
...5 years grace in the championship and by then safe standing will be the norm...
Nothing needs proving right or other wise...just something needs building down Sixfields way😉


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on May 05, 2017, 13:22:13 pm
Small and sustainable growth is all thats required.
After initial outlay...  1000 empty seats/terracing  cost nothing..1000 too few seats costs £20,000 several times a season, 
Not being able to sell your product / services due to lack of stock/capacity  can never help grow or be a good business practice... Its is that simplistic..

The problem is that 1000 empty seats do not cost the club 20,000 every few games. As I have pointed out already you cannot be sure of filling them at any time and every seat empty or full has an inherent operational cost so you will need for example(a figure I pulled from the air, like so many on here) need to get 50% of those seats full just to cover the overheads, so what happens on the weeks where ther is nobody in those seats?
So in the end other budgets have to be cut, so which budget is likely to be cut first?
Answers on a postcard to Beds PO. Box 1,000 seats, Sixfields. Northampton.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on May 05, 2017, 13:29:27 pm
Beds, bluntly put - what a truly pathetic response to my posting above. No wonder you are running scared of meeting with KT to discuss your plan for the club.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 13:58:07 pm
The problem is that 1000 empty seats do not cost the club 20,000 every few games. As I have pointed out already you cannot be sure of filling them at any time and every seat empty or full has an inherent operational cost so you will need for example(a figure I pulled from the air, like so many on here) need to get 50% of those seats full just to cover the overheads, so what happens on the weeks where ther is nobody in those seats?
So in the end other budgets have to be cut, so which budget is likely to be cut first?
Answers on a postcard to Beds PO. Box 1,000 seats, Sixfields. Northampton.
you dont need to feed an empty seat but you do need to cater for one with an ar5e on it😂.
Several plus games next season will find Sixfields wanting that equates to upwards of £200,000 in lost revenues not to mention the other revenue steams missed to the clubs finances...Northampton Town football club is a long term thing not a hobby.. it needs some investment now..



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on May 05, 2017, 14:12:01 pm
I need a brick wall.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on May 05, 2017, 14:38:11 pm
oh, it was just when you said it was empty I thought you meant empty as in not open at all.

 ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 05, 2017, 15:21:59 pm
When will it sink into the some peoples heads, that he can't build fcuk all else until the East is up and running. That is subject to a number of arguments and challenges still.

YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN SAID OR PROMISED YET. It just can't be put on the table until the East is sorted. You create scenarios within this forum, that are totally hypothetical, then you argue about them from two totally made up schools of thought. You do know these are "virtual rows" you lot are having, don't you???

It's like marrying a virtual bride, creating the things you don't like about her, then citing them for grounds for divorce. You are making up the figures, the scenarios, the stands that should be built up, and everything else. Then you complain because it's not happened in the timeframe you made up for completing it..  ;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 15:56:18 pm
Beds, bluntly put - what a truly pathetic response to my posting above. No wonder you are running scared of meeting with KT to discuss your plan for the club.
what part  of it do you find 'pathetic'?
Is it the non willingness to put up with lame excuses as to do nothing...The very thing this club is good at.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 16:23:12 pm
When will it sink into the some peoples heads, that he can't build fcuk all else until the East is up and running. That is subject to a number of arguments and challenges still.

YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN SAID OR PROMISED YET. It just can't be put on the table until the East is sorted. You create scenarios within this forum, that are totally hypothetical, then you argue about them from two totally made up schools of thought. You do know these are "virtual rows" you lot are having, don't you???

It's like marrying a virtual bride, creating the things you don't like about her, then citing them for grounds for divorce. You are making up the figures, the scenarios, the stands that should be built up, and everything else. Then you complain because it's not happened in the timeframe you made up for completing it..  ;D ;D ;D ;D


How nice would it be for KT/consortium to give the supporters of this club an idea of what he proposes to do for the club?
 If its a well thought out plan with the best interests for the immediate and long term prosperity of this club we can all get on board and help push things forward,  at long last..
But all the virtual, hypothetical and wild guess work you talk of is, admittedly  unfair, but spawned by the aftermath of 12 wasted years at the hands of Cardoza ..
Surely everyone can understand that.







Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 16:30:55 pm
I need a brick wall.
It'll probably come with overheads😉


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 05, 2017, 17:05:40 pm
How nice would it be for KT/consortium to give the supporters of this club an idea of what he proposes to do for the club?
 If its a well thought out plan with the best interests for the immediate and long term prosperity of this club we can all get on board and help push things forward,  at long last..
But all the virtual, hypothetical and wild guess work you talk of is, admittedly  unfair, but spawned by the aftermath of 12 wasted years at the hands of Cardoza ..
Surely everyone can understand that.

Welcome to your first visit to planet reality  :P

I can imagine how nice that would be. But equally I can see the more significant pitfalls of promising anything that at this point could be dashed by parties external to the club. If anything, he's probably learned from the over zealous line of promises and false dawns that DC offered.

I was very much like you are about KT with DC. Even to the point where I was threatened with legal action. But I took that stance off the back of lies that were said to my face by Peter Miller, Tony Cardoza and DC himself. Tony Clarke will tell you, I pursued DC relentlessly from his very early days. I did the same with McIntosh as well. But KT has played it straight so far. He is very media savvy. He knows people hinge on what he says, but he would love to say something, but knows a lot of what is to come does not rely on what he does, there are others who hold some cards as well.

You know as well as me mate, he will be took apart if he states something and it doesn't happen. He is the recipient of a dysfunctional perspective resulting from our years under a very deceptive regime. He shouldn't be held accountable for the damage DC did to our trust.

There's an old saying in psychiatry, "Neurotics build castles in the sky, and psychotics live in them". Well; we must have a good measure of both on here. Because there is a lot of opinions being shared, with people then taking them for real. Then moaning about them not being true.

Before the last season started the overwhelming consensus was that league one survival was a good thing. A few hours after the season had ended KT was responsible for a washout of a season. How does that work? And how can you satisfy that level of hypocrisy?

I have said elsewhere that it will be years before the ground starts showing a return, and the development that some want will come to fruition. My perspective won't shift until I see signs that KT is not doing his best to move things on. Soon as I doubt that I'll be right on to it again.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 05, 2017, 17:51:40 pm
Kettering took on a bigger ground. Overheads were more than they were used to, due to it being a bigger ground. How did that work out for all concerned?
The moral of the story is: An empty seat doesn't cost "nothing"


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 18:10:44 pm
Kettering took on a bigger ground. Overheads were more than they were used to, due to it being a bigger ground. How did that work out for all concerned?
The moral of the story is: An empty seat doesn't cost "nothing"
Football is going through a golden era, a work colleague enquired about a season ticket at spurs having been a member for a number of years... he was congratulated on reaching number 54000 on the 100,000 strong waiting list... 😂
Ok comparing us to Spurs or Kettering is pointless as we have little in common with either..But dont regard overheads as being a problem if you capitilise on all posible  revenue streams available...
We do need to do a lot better with what we have.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 05, 2017, 18:23:30 pm
We're getting somewhere!
He's understands that we need to maximise income streams! Now, to just get it through to him that piling all of your available cash into building something that, at best, will be used 25 times a year in an ideal world and most likely 2, possibly 3, times a year isn't as wise, as say, building something which you could make money on 365 days a year


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on May 05, 2017, 18:45:25 pm
As TFAMH has said KT has not put a foot wrong since he got here(off the pitch that is) and he certainly has a lot more business accumen when it comes to running a football club than anyone on here. I can fully understand his reluctance to announce any plans until he is certain that (a) it can go ahead without any legal issues and (b) makes good business sense for the future of the club.
If you are right Beds, I fully expect that he will be anouncing the building of safe standing as soon as all legal wrongles have been sorted out.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 19:00:46 pm
Welcome to your first visit to planet reality  :P

I can imagine how nice that would be. But equally I can see the more significant pitfalls of promising anything that at this point could be dashed by parties external to the club. If anything, he's probably learned from the over zealous line of promises and false dawns that DC offered.

I was very much like you are about KT with DC. Even to the point where I was threatened with legal action. But I took that stance off the back of lies that were said to my face by Peter Miller, Tony Cardoza and DC himself. Tony Clarke will tell you, I pursued DC relentlessly from his very early days. I did the same with McIntosh as well. But KT has played it straight so far. He is very media savvy. He knows people hinge on what he says, but he would love to say something, but knows a lot of what is to come does not rely on what he does, there are others who hold some cards as well.

You know as well as me mate, he will be took apart if he states something and it doesn't happen. He is the recipient of a dysfunctional perspective resulting from our years under a very deceptive regime. He shouldn't be held accountable for the damage DC did to our trust.

There's an old saying in psychiatry, "Neurotics build castles in the sky, and psychotics live in them". Well; we must have a good measure of both on here. Because there is a lot of opinions being shared, with people then taking them for real. Then moaning about them not being true.

Before the last season started the overwhelming consensus was that league one survival was a good thing. A few hours after the season had ended KT was responsible for a washout of a season. How does that work? And how can you satisfy that level of hypocrisy?

I have said elsewhere that it will be years before the ground starts showing a return, and the development that some want will come to fruition. My perspective won't shift until I see signs that KT is not doing his best to move things on. Soon as I doubt that I'll be right on to it again.
Thats a glowing endorsements of our present Chairman and the reasonings behind his inability to show his hand as 'loose lips sink ships' and all that, has made me take a step back and consider how awful I will feel when the great news finally breaks and this doubting Thomas  (see what I did there😉) will be made to wear the full glasses nose and moustache disguise at Sixfields  to avoid ridicule...
As a Northampton Town supporter..I really hope this happens to me, .sooner than later.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2677 on May 05, 2017, 19:44:51 pm
As TFAMH has said KT has not put a foot wrong since he got here(off the pitch that is) and he certainly has a lot more business accumen when it comes to running a football club than anyone on here. I can fully understand his reluctance to announce any plans until he is certain that (a) it can go ahead without any legal issues and (b) makes good business sense for the future of the club.
If you are right Beds, I fully expect that he will be anouncing the building of safe standing as soon as all legal wrongles have been sorted out.
To play devil's advocate for a moment, we have absolutely no idea if any mistakes have been made off the field since KT arrived. I imagine the only person who will know that for sure is KT himself.
As has been said, he appears very media savvy.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Tabasco Kid on May 05, 2017, 22:03:14 pm
Kettering took on a bigger ground. Overheads were more than they were used to, due to it being a bigger ground. How did that work out for all concerned?
The moral of the story is: An empty seat doesn't cost "nothing"
Kettering couldnt wait to jump in their rivals ground. They sold about a thousand season tickets. I recall having a conversation outside the tavern, when I predicted that, they would have serious cash flow problems after xmas. Steady attendancies, low away followings, and very few people paying cash.
I was proven to be correct.
That ground has seen the downfall of two teams.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on May 05, 2017, 22:09:54 pm
Kettering couldnt wait to jump in their rivals ground. They sold about a thousand season tickets. I recall having a conversation outside the tavern, when I predicted that, they would have serious cash flow problems after xmas. Steady attendancies, low away followings, and very few people paying cash.
I was proven to be correct.
That ground has seen the downfall of two teams.

No more it wont


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Tabasco Kid on May 05, 2017, 22:28:50 pm
No more it wont
Clearly. As it was in the wrong location in the first place.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 05, 2017, 22:35:17 pm
To play devil's advocate for a moment, we have absolutely no idea if any mistakes have been made off the field since KT arrived. I imagine the only person who will know that for sure is KT himself.
As has been said, he appears very media savvy.
media savvy?... not so sure there.. body language ..and unnecessary   references to others so called failures had my alarm bells ringing.. Maybe I over read things..perhaps..


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: MKMal on May 09, 2017, 07:21:45 am
When will people realise that "safe standing" does not vastly increase capacity? It is and allocated seat space that has a fold up seat and the back acts as a barrier so that it can be used either as a seat or a standing space. It does not allow, like old fashioned terracing, to squeeze more people in.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 09, 2017, 08:36:11 am
When will people realise that "safe standing" does not vastly increase capacity? It is and allocated seat space that has a fold up seat and the back acts as a barrier so that it can be used either as a seat or a standing space. It does not allow, like old fashioned terracing, to squeeze more people in.

Most of us do...it's also a lot more expensive than just plain standard seating.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 09, 2017, 08:37:54 am
Yo mal, you've used the plural people when singular person would have done


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 09, 2017, 17:31:36 pm
When will people realise that "safe standing" does not vastly increase capacity? It is and allocated seat space that has a fold up seat and the back acts as a barrier so that it can be used either as a seat or a standing space. It does not allow, like old fashioned terracing, to squeeze more people in.
Safe terracing is needed and what makes it safe is they are strictly all ticket admission  to avoid over crowding with individual areas that are well stewarded with sufficient barriers to avoid excessive swaying. Allowing for safe access and egress in emergency situations...equals very safe standing..far safer than the old school hotel end and avoids Hillsborough scenarios also a lot better than vast numbers standing in designated seating areas..
Railed seats are not  required..


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ectonteynfan on May 13, 2017, 17:49:34 pm
You can get 1.8 people in a safe standing space to every one person in a seated space so safe standing almost doubles the capacity in that stand


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 13, 2017, 19:31:57 pm
You can get 1.8 people in a safe standing space to every one person in a seated space so safe standing almost doubles the capacity in that stand
our tiny stands behind the goals must never be turned into terracing or any railed seating as Sixfields is already one of the most tin pot stadium in the football league, that would make it no 1.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 13, 2017, 23:12:31 pm
Dunno how many times you need telling but it always seems at least once more, you can't have any sort of standing in those stands because the gradient for seating and standing is too great.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 14, 2017, 10:55:09 am
Dunno how many times you need telling but it always seems at least once more, you can't have any sort of standing in those stands because the gradient for seating and standing is too great.
I dont need telling I know.
It needs leaving exactly as it is but with  20 rows of cheap as posible, old school but safe terracing built up behind.
Basic and very simplistic..but the only real solution to make Sixfields a more attractive place to visit and avoiding  losing vast sums at the gate, 200k plus last season and similar  next.
But most importantly help build up the club to allow us to compete in league 1 and keeping us out of our spiritual home... the basement division.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 14, 2017, 11:17:45 am
I think it's time you stopped peddling the £200,000 a season loss lie because it's a made up figure in your head with absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support it.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 14, 2017, 12:00:31 pm
I think it's time you stopped peddling the £200,000 a season loss lie because it's a made up figure in your head with absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support it.
Having an attractive away section incorporating seating and standing as previously described would prove to be a big hit with both home and visiting supporters by giving Sixfields a more professional look to it.
Several away section sell outs and as many as 5, 6000 plus home gates are forecast for next season so thats anywhere between 500 and 1500 extra ticket sales lost in a dozen games.
 Minimum losses being upwards and over £200,000 not including catering etc.
But what I consider the biggest loss we suffer is our inability to sell match day tickets to our towns young who want to walk up with friends and pay on the day for the biggest games only to be turned away due not being on the data base or unable to sit with friends due to a capacity crowds.. This is how we all became life long fans!
Also factor in at 80%plus capacity, currently we cant  do much in the way to encourage new support to Sixfields as it could impact on regulars gaining admission.
As for losing £200,000 per season, I think Im being very Conservative in my estimate, all things considered its far worse than that.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: meccanostand on May 14, 2017, 14:11:32 pm
When will people realise that "safe standing" does not vastly increase capacity? It is and allocated seat space that has a fold up seat and the back acts as a barrier so that it can be used either as a seat or a standing space. It does not allow, like old fashioned terracing, to squeeze more people in.

Wrong. 1.8 standing to 1 seated place is possible with rail seats. Possibly more dependent on the Green guide. There are also various different forms of safe standing tech being developed or in full use which increase capacity and KT has been to see a few. The sixfields gradient does not prevent this either.

FWIW it might be good for the club to sort an infrastructure committee with the prime focus on improving just that. It shouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility for everyone involved with the club to sort a proper training ground and a half decent stadium. Who knows what expertise there is within the fan base? I know of at least one town planner who follows the club for instance.

In an ideal world the North would be flattened and a decent sized terrace built a la Exeter or even bigger.





Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on May 14, 2017, 15:17:07 pm
I feel we are some way off any expansion of North or South Stands. Completion of the East is the first priority but that is taking forever. Sadly by the time we may get round to it we will probably be back in League Two.
Interesting to see that Halifax had a gate of 7,921 for the play-off final versus Chorley. Their capacity is much greater than ours (not that it has done them much good over the years mind).


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on May 14, 2017, 16:31:16 pm
I feel we are some way off any expansion of North or South Stands. Completion of the East is the first priority but that is taking forever. Sadly by the time we may get round to it we will probably be back in League Two.
Interesting to see that Halifax had a gate of 7,921 for the play-off final versus Chorley. Their capacity is much greater than ours (not that it has done them much good over the years mind).
10 years ago I suggested to the club we put corperate boxes on scaffold over looking the east stand and use temporary accommodation mobile units to entertain guests, inexpensive and functional... but the belittling elements within our club claimed they had already looked into this and with the double tiered stand in the pipeline it wouldn't be cost effective..which now we all know that was utter 5hite
To avoid the continuity  of the belittling our fotball club even further I will again put forward some suggestions to the present incumbents, (Im assuming they haven't really got the £4,000,000 they claimed, which is fine) in a hope that they have no hidden agendas and have our clubs well being formost in their plans..
Fill in the voids within  the east stand with temporary boxes, sky sports did it v man utd... so no excuses, give spurs a ring they have 200 corperate boxes going in the skip next week!.. negotiate a salvage deal..
Build up a terracing at back of the south stand asap....
Fill your boots on the some free Sixfields footprint..
But for the sake of all thats sacred..Do something.. you aint getting £10m of free money as that didnt turn out too well last time😂
There can be no more excuses as to keep our club in subjection to the amount of Belittling we've suffered over the last 50 years..
All this long legal wrangling and other claims in my opinion are convenient smoke screens..
They crazy thing is everyone's asking me to speak with Thomas, but its he who needs to speak to us...



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on May 14, 2017, 17:36:26 pm
Having an attractive away section incorporating seating and standing as previously described would prove to be a big hit with both home and visiting supporters by giving Sixfields a more professional look to it.
Several away section sell outs and as many as 5, 6000 plus home gates are forecast for next season so thats anywhere between 500 and 1500 extra ticket sales lost in a dozen games.
 Minimum losses being upwards and over £200,000 not including catering etc.
But what I consider the biggest loss we suffer is our inability to sell match day tickets to our towns young who want to walk up with friends and pay on the day for the biggest games only to be turned away due not being on the data base or unable to sit with friends due to a capacity crowds.. This is how we all became life long fans!
Also factor in at 80%plus capacity, currently we cant  do much in the way to encourage new support to Sixfields as it could impact on regulars gaining admission.
As for losing £200,000 per season, I think Im being very Conservative in my estimate, all things considered its far worse than that.
That's still not evidence. It's just more guesswork. If it helps this is what the word evidence means: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on May 14, 2017, 21:17:04 pm
Wrong. 1.8 standing to 1 seated place is possible with rail seats. Possibly more dependent on the Green guide. There are also various different forms of safe standing tech being developed or in full use which increase capacity and KT has been to see a few. The sixfields gradient does not prevent this either.

FWIW it might be good for the club to sort an infrastructure committee with the prime focus on improving just that. It shouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility for everyone involved with the club to sort a proper training ground and a half decent stadium. Who knows what expertise there is within the fan base? I know of at least one town planner who follows the club for instance.

In an ideal world the North would be flattened and a decent sized terrace built a la Exeter or even bigger.


Good article and tend to agree with you. This is much more readable than the political opportunistic clap trap you posted recently.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest170 on May 15, 2017, 06:42:08 am
10 years ago I suggested to the club we put corperate boxes on scaffold over looking the east stand and use temporary accommodation mobile units to entertain guests, inexpensive and functional... but the belittling elements within our club claimed they had already looked into this and with the double tiered stand in the pipeline it wouldn't be cost effective
You talk about needing a stadium fit for League 1 and the Championship then suggest the most non league thing I have seen on here!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: meccanostand on May 15, 2017, 09:21:59 am
Lewes FC have installed some corporate beach huts and making good money from them.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11431400.Beach_ball_____footy_club_uses_huts_for_hospitality/ (http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11431400.Beach_ball_____footy_club_uses_huts_for_hospitality/)





Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 05, 2017, 09:10:58 am
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                      Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                     Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                       Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                            Sep - Donny                      -        - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                    Sep - Pompey                    -        - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                     Sep - Bratfud                    -        - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on September 06, 2017, 10:21:55 am
An overall increase in home attendance compared to the two August home games last season. Pleasing.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 06, 2017, 16:29:06 pm
But 1,000 down on the Pish game compared to last season  :-\


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on September 06, 2017, 17:06:25 pm
But 1,000 down on the Pish game compared to last season  :-\

Not sure we are comparing apples with apples there. The Saturday of August bank holiday weekend is always a duff weekend for attendances. So many people on holiday.

P*sh only sold out their allocation a few days before this season, even with a strong start. Last season I'm fairly sure they sold out over a week ahead.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: SteveRiches on September 06, 2017, 20:03:00 pm
Dunno how many times you need telling but it always seems at least once more, you can't have any sort of standing in those stands because the gradient for seating and standing is too great.
+1


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: rebelspawn on September 07, 2017, 08:55:53 am
Not sure we are comparing apples with apples there. The Saturday of August bank holiday weekend is always a duff weekend for attendances. So many people on holiday.

P*sh only sold out their allocation a few days before this season, even with a strong start. Last season I'm fairly sure they sold out over a week ahead.

Agree with your point about August attendances but the dons compared to the scum as opponents isn't exactly apples to apples either i would argue.

Fleetwood and the Checkatrade are better comparisons and attendances are pretty flat year on year (ever so slight decrease in each match)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 07, 2017, 16:06:24 pm
To attract only another 250 fans for the Pish game (our main Derby) compared to the opening game against Fleetwood, both in the school holiday period is disappointing.
I'm pretty sure the numbers will be swelled this weekend for the arrival of JFH.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: lodgeadam on September 07, 2017, 16:24:33 pm
To attract only another 250 fans for the Pish game (our main Derby) compared to the opening game against Fleetwood, both in the school holiday period is disappointing.
I'm pretty sure the numbers will be swelled this weekend for the arrival of JFH.

Disappointing but hardly surprising no one wanted to see us get beaten by the Posh again!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 09, 2017, 20:56:23 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -        - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bratfud                    -        - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 10, 2017, 15:11:07 pm
Anyone else disappointed with the turnout yesterday? I thought the JFH effect would have attracted more. Maybe if results continue to improve we'll get the numbers up.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BrixworthCobbler on September 10, 2017, 15:16:20 pm
Anyone else disappointed with the turnout yesterday? I thought the JFH effect would have attracted more. Maybe if results continue to improve we'll get the numbers up.

I was surprised when they announced the attendance.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 10, 2017, 15:35:33 pm
Anyone else disappointed with the turnout yesterday? I thought the JFH effect would have attracted more. Maybe if results continue to improve we'll get the numbers up.
Its more the sib standard Sixfields affect neutralising JFK one.
Sixfields is the stadium equivalent of a pig with lipstick.
It doesnt work.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 12, 2017, 21:13:51 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702  - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bratfud                    -        - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 12, 2017, 22:04:17 pm
One of our better midweek attendances. Down to JFH and the opposition. Keep us this form and the Bradford game could get close to a sell out.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: just.reading on September 13, 2017, 07:25:29 am
Its more the sib standard Sixfields affect neutralising JFK one.
Sixfields is the stadium equivalent of a pig with lipstick.
It doesnt work.


Even though it was higher than any other mid-week league game last season?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cordwainer2 on September 13, 2017, 08:05:51 am
If you were a casual fan, would you have gone out last night?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest170 on September 13, 2017, 10:07:49 am
Its more the sib standard Sixfields affect neutralising JFK one.
Sixfields is the stadium equivalent of a pig with lipstick.
It doesnt work.


It did for our former Prime Minister

allegedly


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BrixworthCobbler on September 13, 2017, 15:56:32 pm
One of our better midweek attendances. Down to JFH and the opposition. Keep us this form and the Bradford game could get close to a sell out.

Really can't see that unfortunately


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 13, 2017, 16:32:44 pm
We have a loyal band of several thousand that turn up every week or when they can so until we have a major sales and  multi marketing strategy, that isnt a token gesture but one thats long term, that uses all the successful campaign's seen at our more progressive rivals, we just stay the same.
Just one problem with that despite what kelvin says, our ground doesn't allow us to build up it supporters base.
Those boxes if they ever see the light of day will certainly help but we need extra capacity in the shape of a 3000 bank of terracing in order to give Sixfields a more atmospheric must visit venue for both new, existing and visiting  supporters.

Heres the average gates for next season... (assuming league 1)
Smaller clubs sat, Sc***horpe fleetwood etc  5000.
Smaller clubs tues, 4500.
Bigger/local games posh, ox, luton, Blackburn etc  6/6400 capacity.
Bigger/ local games tues, 5500.
These figures have been steady since 1996 and will be the same until something gives.
Kelvin could be trying to buck the trend and shoehorn a 1000 new fans into sixfields with them paying £24 on the day.. It aint happening me old duck, you need to reconsider your no growth stance.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: lodgeadam on September 13, 2017, 16:48:43 pm
We have a loyal band of several thousand that turn up every week or when they can so until we have a major sales and  multi marketing strategy, that isnt a token gesture but one thats long term, that uses all the successful campaign's seen at our more progressive rivals, we just stay the same.
Just one problem with that despite what kelvin says, our ground doesn't allow us to build up it supporters base.
Those boxes if they ever see the light of day will certainly help but we need extra capacity in the shape of a 3000 bank of terracing in order to give Sixfields a more atmospheric must visit venue for both new, existing and visiting  supporters.

Heres the average gates for next season... (assuming league 1)
Smaller clubs sat, Sc***horpe fleetwood etc  5000.
Smaller clubs tues, 4500.
Bigger/local games posh, ox, luton, Blackburn etc  6/6400 capacity.
Bigger/ local games tues, 5500.
These figures have been steady since 1996 and will be the same until something gives.
Kelvin could be trying to buck the trend and shoehorn a 1000 new fans into sixfields with them paying £24 on the day.. It aint happening me old duck, you need to reconsider your no growth stance.


Your forecasted avg gates seem to suggest that our 7,500+ seater stadium does give us the ability to grow our supporter base as most games we will have 2,000+ empty seats!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobblersmad on September 13, 2017, 18:09:03 pm
Anyone else noticed recently that there are a large number of empty seats in the east stand? I mean it never is sold out, but there are now row after rows of them, especially towada the north stand. When I first started going in the early to mid noughties it was always fairly full and we still had 5000+ gates.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cordwainer2 on September 13, 2017, 18:23:00 pm
A row of seats next to me in the West Stand is rarely occupied. My mate tried to get a season ticket for his grandson there but told they are all taken. Is it a corporate thing?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 13, 2017, 20:20:17 pm
Your forecasted avg gates seem to suggest that our 7,500+ seater stadium does give us the ability to grow our supporter base as most games we will have 2,000+ empty seats!
You do know we are talking about home support only in this thread? We have just 6400 seats for our more attractive games,  a couple hundred crap seats and singles is usual.
But if you factor in a major county wide sales pitch to get fans in to fill the newly built 3000 large bank of terracing giving a much bigger match day experience to home and visitoring fans, with everything geared up for steady and sustainable growth, something that has been agreed is needed but no one at the club ever has the stomach or passion to see it through.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on September 13, 2017, 20:22:09 pm
We have a loyal band of several thousand that turn up every week or when they can so until we have a major sales and  multi marketing strategy, that isnt a token gesture but one thats long term, that uses all the successful campaign's seen at our more progressive rivals, we just stay the same.
Just one problem with that despite what kelvin says, our ground doesn't allow us to build up it supporters base.
Those boxes if they ever see the light of day will certainly help but we need extra capacity in the shape of a 3000 bank of terracing in order to give Sixfields a more atmospheric must visit venue for both new, existing and visiting  supporters.

Heres the average gates for next season... (assuming league 1)
Smaller clubs sat, Sc***horpe fleetwood etc  5000.
Smaller clubs tues, 4500.
Bigger/local games posh, ox, luton, Blackburn etc  6/6400 capacity.
Bigger/ local games tues, 5500.
These figures have been steady since 1996 and will be the same until something gives.
Kelvin could be trying to buck the trend and shoehorn a 1000 new fans into sixfields with them paying £24 on the day.. It aint happening me old duck, you need to reconsider your no growth stance.

you're an idiot and nobody cares what you say anymore. i'd be amazed if anybody actually read whatever you wrote ^^^ just there. it's always the same crap, most of which is just made up non-facts and opinion


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 13, 2017, 20:25:17 pm
you're an idiot and nobody cares what you say anymore. i'd be amazed if anybody actually read whatever you wrote ^^^ just there. it's always the same crap, most of which is just made up non-facts and opinion
Another who has befriended Kelvin on facebook 😂


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 13, 2017, 21:26:25 pm
Last season we had our highest average attendance for 20 years, so must be have done something to attract those extras.
I do agree with the view that a bigger capacity would encourage the floating fan who is maybe put off by the price and limited availability at times, restrictions on buying, lower rows, corner seats etc.
The JFH effect will attract new people I'm sure but will they return if they don't like the Sixfields experience?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: rebelspawn on September 14, 2017, 09:12:53 am
Anyone else noticed recently that there are a large number of empty seats in the east stand? I mean it never is sold out, but there are now row after rows of them, especially towada the north stand. When I first started going in the early to mid noughties it was always fairly full and we still had 5000+ gates.

Is the east stand, north end still the family area and place where all the flag bearers sit? If so, i would expect it to be more empty for a night game in September with school in the morning.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 14, 2017, 17:01:21 pm
Is the east stand, north end still the family area and place where all the flag bearers sit? If so, i would expect it to be more empty for a night game in September with school in the morning.

Yeah that's right, always emptier for night games and the early season games when schools still on hols and straight after. So, expect to see this area filling up in the next few games as the marketeers get out there with there offers.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 23, 2017, 21:03:33 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance  average after 5 home games       2016/17    5093        2017/18    5063       -0.59%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on September 24, 2017, 17:13:38 pm
Amazingly positive average so far this year given our recent record, particularly at home.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 07, 2017, 18:52:30 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance  average after 6 home games       2016/17    5185        2017/18    5066       -2.29%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Irchy cob on October 07, 2017, 19:03:49 pm
It's a bit of an indictment when the family bit of the east stand where all the kids are with their freebies is practically empty by the 70th minute - doesn't exactly suggest that they'll be begging their mum or dad to come back any time soon.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on October 07, 2017, 19:06:43 pm
Impress turn out by Rovers, especially considering their recent away days. They picked a good 'un!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 07, 2017, 19:14:46 pm
Impress turn out by Rovers, especially considering their recent away days. They picked a good 'un!

Last season, 1st October, they bought a following of 997 in a gate of 6642, this season October 7th they brought a following of 1007 in a gate of 6087.......


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on October 07, 2017, 21:53:57 pm
I think we'll probably see the lowest home turnout on a Saturday for some time next week in a must win game.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 14, 2017, 16:40:16 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance  average after 6 home games       2016/17    5285        2017/18    5029       -4.84%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on October 14, 2017, 19:19:31 pm
Lowest Saturday turnout for over a year, ironically the lowest since Wimbledon last August.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on October 19, 2017, 07:32:27 am
Hopefully that's as low as it gets, always so much easier to lose fans than get them back.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 28, 2017, 17:00:08 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance  average after 8 home games       2016/17    5307        2017/18    5005       -5.69%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 04, 2017, 21:28:08 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance  average after 8 home games       2016/17    5307        2017/18    5005       -5.69%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 08, 2017, 21:18:16 pm
Almost double the West Ham fixture last season. The Bayo effect? A chance of progression whereas last year Hammers was a dead rubber? Boycott less publicised?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 20, 2017, 17:59:32 pm
Scunny on Sat saw 4875 home fans, marginally higher than the last two Sat home games so trending below 5,000 consistently now,


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 20, 2017, 18:52:13 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun

Thanks Wadey...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 21, 2017, 21:34:51 pm
So a lower home turnout on the back of increased s/t sales, match day revenues must be taking a big hit.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: CallMeJoe on November 22, 2017, 02:19:12 am
It,s no consolation I know, but every Saints fan I speak to, moans like hell about the rubbish they are paying to watch as well...perhaps the county is cursed ? The locals have always been fickle though.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 22, 2017, 11:08:33 am
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun

Home League attendance average after 9 home games       2016/17    5407        2017/18    4991      -7.69%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 22, 2017, 11:12:49 am
The fact that the Boro game last season was our 9th game has pushed the figures that bit higher and now we have a fairly substantial decrease in attendance....bear in mind bloody Rob Page was in charge last season too!!!

There were only 3 Saturday league games last season where the home fan total dipped under 5000, but the game against Scunny on Saturday was the third time already this season this mark has been reached.

A little worrying if we were counting our beans......a vastly increased wage bill (?) against falling gate receipts......


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on November 22, 2017, 13:10:11 pm
A little worrying if we were counting our beans......a vastly increased wage bill (?) against falling gate receipts......

Looks like we've hit our core fan base of 4800ish now. To be expected when you're languishing in the relegation zone barely scoring any goals in the colder winter months. Think a lot of the casual fans will have an eye on Christmas now.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 25, 2017, 16:31:20 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun

Home League attendance average after 10 home games       2016/17    5442        2017/18    4956      -8.93%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2487 on November 25, 2017, 17:28:27 pm
First time today I noticed fans being properly disgruntled.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 25, 2017, 18:41:43 pm
First time today I noticed fans being properly disgruntled.

Lowest Saturday home turnout since the Morecambe game back in January 2016.

So we're attracting fewer home fans now than we did at any time under Page and Edinburgh.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Razor on November 25, 2017, 18:48:42 pm
So we're attracting fewer home fans now than we did at any time under Page and Edinburgh.

Says it all really.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 25, 2017, 21:31:10 pm
I'm a season ticket holder so 'have' to go but I wouldn't recommend a friend coming along at the moment and suffering the fare on offer so no surprise with the low turnout today.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2017, 21:35:07 pm
I think they need to seriously consider a reduced entry price for the Walsall game. We need the bodies in the ground desperately, and there is no chance after the last few home games that people will spend £24 on this.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 29, 2017, 08:08:06 am
How many full STH's do we have this season?
How does that compare to previous seasons?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on November 29, 2017, 17:32:03 pm
First time today I noticed fans being properly disgruntled.
I’m gruntled although I may become disgruntled if we are relegated.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 06, 2017, 13:04:54 pm
https://reeshowls.wordpress.com/2017/12/06/efl-attendances-part-3/


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2677 on December 06, 2017, 14:42:22 pm
Thanks for the link DC.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ralap on December 06, 2017, 15:52:54 pm
https://reeshowls.wordpress.com/2017/12/06/efl-attendances-part-3/


Some turn around that by Lincoln.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on December 06, 2017, 21:30:50 pm
I didn't realise QPR had such a bad away following, I've always assumed they were a well supported club.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on December 07, 2017, 12:12:44 pm
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveeng.htm


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 07, 2017, 12:15:53 pm
https://reeshowls.wordpress.com/2017/12/06/efl-attendances-part-3/


Thanks for the interesting link - we seem to be holding our own amongst the great and the good.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 16, 2017, 19:47:24 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun

Home League attendance average after 11 home games       2016/17    5401        2017/18    4929      -8.74%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cordwainer2 on December 16, 2017, 19:52:56 pm
I have no idea why they should lie but I cannot believe there were over 5000 there. Looked more like 4000. Do they count all season ticket holders as present? A big block near me in the West Stand was empty.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 16, 2017, 19:56:57 pm
I have no idea why they should lie but I cannot believe there were over 5000 there. Looked more like 4000. Do they count all season ticket holders as present? A big block near me in the West Stand was empty.

I certainly thought nearer 4000 than 5000.......the East Stand was barely filled, but strangely had Cobblers fans right down to the south end today.....some sort of promotion/giveaway??
Walsall brought less than 400 compared to 600 last season.......and yes there were big gaps in the West.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 17, 2017, 09:59:58 am
I certainly thought nearer 4000 than 5000.......the East Stand was barely filled, but strangely had Cobblers fans right down to the south end today.....some sort of promotion/giveaway??
Walsall brought less than 400 compared to 600 last season.......and yes there were big gaps in the West.


There appeared to be more in the North? And yes there was gaps in the West. Maybe they count ST as there even if not.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on December 17, 2017, 10:18:37 am
Maybe people will turn up again if they have some decent footballers to watch.
Time for some bums on seats signings


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2995 on December 18, 2017, 08:05:38 am
There does seem to be a fractious relationship with the supporters amongst this squad .
Jimmy did give praise of a kind at the end but also implied the fans are too quick to criticise and don’t get behind the team enough.
Long also seemed to have a gripe and cupped his ears when he scored .
I also read comments in the week implying it’s been quiet .
The 5k there on Saturday are the loyal followers and it’s not wise to be too critical when the standard of football has been dire recently .


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 18, 2017, 16:48:09 pm
If it wasn't for the fact it's a supposed 'glamour' tie (really looking forward to some idiots singing "You're not famous anymore" to a side that clearly still do have a level of fame as you're singing that song to them) then I would have predicted a crowd alot closer to 4000 than 5. Saturday before Christmas, earlier kick off and the fact that's it's just such a mission trying to get across town sometimes wouldn't have helped


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2017, 17:08:27 pm
There does seem to be a fractious relationship with the supporters amongst this squad .
Jimmy did give praise of a kind at the end but also implied the fans are too quick to criticise and don’t get behind the team enough.
Long also seemed to have a gripe and cupped his ears when he scored .
I also read comments in the week implying it’s been quiet .
The 5k there on Saturday are the loyal followers and it’s not wise to be too critical when the standard of football has been dire recently .

Long up until Sat has been bit of a disappointment only 5 goals so fat this season. Perhaps he reads the Hotel End and is aware of some criticism! Of course if we had wingers etc he might have got more , but its a bit of a mute moot point. As for the so called criticism of (some) the crowd for being too quick in moaning at players and not enough support - that really is a strange comment. On Saturday after the opening goal JFH turned to the 'Juniors' at the South End of the West and encouraged them to support. The reaction from the crowd was good and it certainly spurred on the team. JFH is right it almost takes a disaster to get us going, But we are all pretty quick with the moans and groans.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on December 18, 2017, 21:17:14 pm
Blackburn on Satdee should see one of the larger home crowds of the season but with it being 'Christmas' Saturday, our poor form and the Saints also at home I'm thinking maybe 5,200 home fans and poss 1,300 away so 6,500 total. Not bad, but would have hoped to break the 7,000 barrier for this one ordinarily.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: rebelspawn on December 19, 2017, 10:16:09 am
Long up until Sat has been bit of a disappointment only 5 goals so fat this season. Perhaps he reads the Hotel End and is aware of some criticism! Of course if we had wingers etc he might have got more , but its a bit of a mute point. As for the so called criticism of (some) the crowd for being too quick in moaning at players and not enough support - that really is a strange comment. On Saturday after the opening goal JFH turned to the 'Juniors' at the South End of the West and encouraged them to support. The reaction from the crowd was good and it certainly spurred on the team. JFH is right it almost takes a disaster to get us going, But we are all pretty quick with the moans and groans.

Its 'moot point' evers.

And JFH's comment was not so strange. Why do think he turned to the crowd and got them to encouarage the team in the first place? Its because many were shouting abuse at Pierre and Cornell. When JFH signalled to the crowd, they then changed their tone and began supporting instead.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 19, 2017, 11:26:32 am
Blackburn on Satdee should see one of the larger home crowds of the season but with it being 'Christmas' Saturday, our poor form and the Saints also at home I'm thinking maybe 5,200 home fans and poss 1,300 away so 6,500 total. Not bad, but would have hoped to break the 7,000 barrier for this one ordinarily.

They’ve been allocated 1475 tickets for this one....and have sold out


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 19, 2017, 12:03:21 pm
Its 'moot point' evers.

And JFH's comment was not so strange. Why do think he turned to the crowd and got them to encouarage the team in the first place? Its because many were shouting abuse at Pierre and Cornell. When JFH signalled to the crowd, they then changed their tone and began supporting instead.

Mute v Moot ; thanks for that 8) ; should have spotted that sooner :'(
Due to various ways one can interpret posts on here - I meant B&S comments not JFH who after Sat is my hero. Your interpretation of JFH gestures to crowd is most likely correct.
Carry on.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: rebelspawn on December 19, 2017, 13:17:58 pm
Mute v Moot ; thanks for that 8) ; should have spotted that sooner :'(
Due to various ways one can interpret posts on here - I meant B&S comments not JFH who after Sat is my hero. Your interpretation of JFH gestures to crowd is most likely correct.
Carry on.

All clear now, i read your comment to mean JFH's comments were strange.

As you were...  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 19, 2017, 13:59:59 pm
All clear now, i read your comment to mean JFH's comments were strange.

As you were...  ;)

At ease


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on December 19, 2017, 21:34:33 pm
They’ve been allocated 1475 tickets for this one....and have sold out

Ive heard they are trying to buy home tickets now. If it boosts the crowd and they stay quiet, fair enough. We won't sell out. If only we had a bigger stadium and could allocate more for away fans.......


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on December 19, 2017, 21:49:51 pm
Ive heard they are trying to buy home tickets now. If it boosts the crowd and they stay quiet, fair enough. We won't sell out. If only we had a bigger stadium and could allocate more for away fans.......
yes, this once a season happening would pay for it in no time


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on December 20, 2017, 08:57:00 am
yes, this once a season happening would pay for it in no time
A bigger more atmospheric professional looking stadium with better facilities and a full on sales and promotional team working with the many tried and tested  ways of building up support base, if ever were to happen would attract many more 1000s of locals currently  put off by Sixfields embarrasing amateurish  tinpottedness..
We will one day lose the enabling lands that could give us the chance but unfortunately  not while those with little regards to our clubs future pull the strings...
Wrong thread.. where's the RCTE 😂


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2487 on December 20, 2017, 11:48:46 am
Do you ever worry that you are becoming less and less relevant?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on December 20, 2017, 12:01:58 pm
I actually think we have some of the more patient fans, ok the atmosphere might get subdued but on the whole I think the fans have stayed behind the team a lot more than expected this season.

Not a fan of a manger being too critical of fans because gesturing to get a crowd singing is much more productive.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 23, 2017, 16:27:45 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun

Home League attendance average after 12 home games       2016/17    5364        2017/18    4943      -7.85%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on December 23, 2017, 16:39:04 pm
Disappointing home turnout that for one of the biggest games of the season. Perhaps would have been more if it wasn't on Christmas Saturday.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on December 23, 2017, 21:49:26 pm
Disappointing home turnout that for one of the biggest games of the season. Perhaps would have been more if it wasn't on Christmas Saturday.
Thomas effect.. but you know this dont you?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 23, 2017, 22:10:30 pm
Disappointing home turnout that for one of the biggest games of the season. Perhaps would have been more if it wasn't on Christmas Saturday.

I don't think it was - early kick off and Xmas to boot; not too mention the recent poor form. From a purist point of view the home crowd should have been at 5600!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on December 27, 2017, 10:59:31 am
You lose fans quicker when you are losing games constantly than you gain some when you win.

Blackburn might be a bigger club due to their history but they are hardly a 'glamour' team for a casual fan.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on December 27, 2017, 12:11:34 pm
Its beginning to feel like our club is just part of the consortium/chinese/ventures  means to get the land while  nothing they have suggested shows any positive outcome for our club.
Its my opinion that Thomas has a very small regard to the possible  potential of the football club of Northampton and at no point to date has he spoke up its credentials but has on many occasions belittle it to avoid raising expectations that he probably has no interests in.
As long as our club appears as a small part of these outsiders plans for easy riches we will never sell our club to Northampton or its people.
We need  a club that generates civic pride, a more professional and progressive club playing in a ground that attracts new support. It doesn't need to happen over night but gradually improving to the watching town, generating interest.
Ive seen watford, Burnley fulham swansea cardif doncaster Peterborough Shrewsbury and two dozen others build up their clubs, when will it be our turn? Its not happening with these lot in charge so lets not live in false hope but demand of them to do something.
The NBC must avoid giving away anything that could be a future benefit to the football club and insist on action first then planning permission as we all know only too well what could/will happen.
The title of this thread 'missing punters' they are not missing just waiting to flock to Sixfields one day soon.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 27, 2017, 12:23:41 pm
If we did "do up the ground" and make it a better place to watch football what would happen to our gates?

I went to Donny yesterday.....walked up the ground at about 2pm and it seemed deserted. I'd had a text from a mate to go and meet him in the Belle View bar......I walked in there and the place was packed!! There must have been more than 500 in there, all drinking beer, watching the Spurs game on Sky, eating food and stuff. It was much more than we have at Sixfields and must create a bit of money for the club.

I noticed a day nursery within the ground, and many other facilities. It looked like a cracking ground, 15000 capacity and a decent place to go (apart from being down an industrial estate!!) They gave the attendance as over 8000 however its my guess it was nearer 6 seeing the swathes of empty seats in all stands.

They've hosted big Rugby League games, have pop concerts booked in for the summer etc........

However....the fact remains that they were still 14th in League 1 before start of play. they were in the Conference at the turn of the century, have bounced back and found their way into the Championship for 5 seasons (in two stints) but then sank back down to League 2 before winning it last season.

Its very difficult to find that magic formula of success on and off the pitch. We had success on for one season and now we are in decline. We have seemingly invested off the pitch with little reward.

I'm not convinced that investing off the pitch will bring the success that people think it will......(Walsall another example.....ground utilised well, hotel on site but still bouncing round mid table in League 1)

Its becoming more apparent that you can only buy success.....and by buy I mean significant multi million pound investment......not a few exec boxes and a games zone!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on December 27, 2017, 12:49:52 pm
You cant guarantee constant success and who would want to as some relegation battles can be very entertaining and let you appreciate the good times more.
What you can do if you grow your infrastructure and supporters base is have more good times than bad and enjoy watching football in more professional setting.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 27, 2017, 12:53:48 pm
You cant guarantee constant success and who would want to as some relegation battles can be very entertaining and let you appreciate the good times more.
What you can do if you grow your infrastructure and supporters base is have more good times than bad and enjoy watching football in more professional setting.

True enough!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on December 29, 2017, 11:53:45 am
The Wilder escape against Oxford was brilliant but the capitulation at Leeds not so much. So I get the point that relegation battles can be great but obviously when you don't escape the drop it's a disaster.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 01, 2018, 17:20:10 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Dons           -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 13 home games       2016/17    5348        2017/18    4933      -7.76%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 02, 2018, 10:53:46 am
Despite the attendances having fallen, I'm actually surprised they haven't fallen further when you factor in the last 12 months as a whole.

Does anyone know how many Season tickets we actually sold this season?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on January 02, 2018, 15:10:42 pm
Despite the attendances having fallen, I'm actually surprised they haven't fallen further when you factor in the last 12 months as a whole.

Does anyone know how many Season tickets we actually sold this season?
Is the answer twice as many as next season?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 02, 2018, 17:30:51 pm
True enough!!
No matter what the point you just agreed with, you've still just agreed with a man that thinks the reason we don't sell out the ground is because it's too small to sell out.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 02, 2018, 18:43:57 pm
No matter what the point you just agreed with, you've still just agreed with a man that thinks the reason we don't sell out the ground is because it's too small to sell out.
OK I now see you struggle with logic so let me help you... You love the words sell out.. why? Do you realise wembley only sells out 6 or 7 times a season from the  40 odd fixtures it hosts, maybe you think 90,000 is too big and 50,000 would guarantee many more of these sell outs you crave?

For Northampton Town to progress and be a competitive league 1 club with real ambitions to take the next step it needs to grow its support base by an average of 3000 more regularly turning up,  thats 50% more than now, that might sound a lot but it just needs 1% of the local population to be encouraged to get involved and feel part of their local club.
A 12000 capacity stadium that encourages the town and county to love visiting and  allows them to grow proud of our old very muched mocked football club.

Will every game be a 12000 sell out, absolutely not, 7, 8 and 9 thousand will be the norm at the top half of league 1 which allows for the extra visiting fans attracted to a better day out..
How can I be so sure? We currently attract a   very commendable 5000 to soon to be  league 1 worst ground so with better ...
Professional looking ground.
Terracing to create better atmosphere.
Corperate boxes, restaurant and bars.
Ability to sell matchday tickets without hiking prices and offer multiple promotions through a dedicated sales team.
Better player budget.
Better players.
Proper sell on values.
More 'good seasons' than bad, playoffs being a more regular occurrence.
Regular cup runs attracting the bigger clubs on a more regular basis.
And when we do have a bad season and get relegated, be in a better position to bounce back and go again..
Etc etc.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 02, 2018, 19:27:02 pm
You wasted your time, I didn't read a word of that.  I imagine it to be the same old crap you usually come out with though


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 02, 2018, 19:39:18 pm
OK I now see you struggle with logic so let me help you...

That is a bit of a statement as I am not sure if your logic is sound at the moment?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 02, 2018, 19:47:48 pm
That is a bit of a statement as I am not sure if your logic is sound at the moment?
I'm happy to stand corrected... so?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 02, 2018, 19:49:02 pm
You wasted your time, I didn't read a word of that.  I imagine it to be the same old crap you usually come out with though
No its the up graded 2018 version.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 02, 2018, 21:05:20 pm
I'm happy to stand corrected... so?

You clearly haven't as yet convinced most on here on the authenticity of your logic. Keep trying tho'!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 02, 2018, 21:19:28 pm
OK I now see you struggle with logic so let me help you... You love the words sell out.. why? Do you realise wembley only sells out 6 or 7 times a season from the  40 odd fixtures it hosts, maybe you think 90,000 is too big and 50,000 would guarantee many more of these sell outs you crave?

For Northampton Town to progress and be a competitive league 1 club with real ambitions to take the next step it needs to grow its support base by an average of 3000 more regularly turning up,  thats 50% more than now, that might sound a lot but it just needs 1% of the local population to be encouraged to get involved and feel part of their local club.
A 12000 capacity stadium that encourages the town and county to love visiting and  allows them to grow proud of our old very muched mocked football club.

Will every game be a 12000 sell out, absolutely not, 7, 8 and 9 thousand will be the norm at the top half of league 1 which allows for the extra visiting fans attracted to a better day out..
How can I be so sure? We currently attract a   very commendable 5000 to soon to be  league 1 worst ground so with better ...
Professional looking ground.
Terracing to create better atmosphere.
Corperate boxes, restaurant and bars.
Ability to sell matchday tickets without hiking prices and offer multiple promotions through a dedicated sales team.
Better player budget.
Better players.
Proper sell on values.
More 'good seasons' than bad, playoffs being a more regular occurrence.
Regular cup runs attracting the bigger clubs on a more regular basis.
And when we do have a bad season and get relegated, be in a better position to bounce back and go again..
Etc etc.


I agree with the sentiment of this. For the record a work colleague went to the Blackburn game in the South Stand, his first ever visit to Sixfields and he described it as the worst away ground he's ever been to. Terrible view and the limited facilities out in the open. If we offered more comfort and facilities to all fans, easier access to tickets with good views etc then more would come. But, it's speculate to accumulate and you have to be in it for the long haul and maybe KT isn't?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 02, 2018, 21:45:49 pm
I agree with the sentiment of this. For the record a work colleague went to the Blackburn game in the South Stand, his first ever visit to Sixfields and he described it as the worst away ground he's ever been to. Terrible view and the limited facilities out in the open. If we offered more comfort and facilities to all fans, easier access to tickets with good views etc then more would come. But, it's speculate to accumulate and you have to be in it for the long haul and maybe KT isn't?
Im concerned we aren't far off the multi million pound disclosure of what these lot will claim to have ploughed into NTFC which will sit very heavy in our accounts loss column...but for half that we could've had all the redevelopment and more..
Hoping this is not the case but cardoza hit us for £8,500,000 and we had jack to show for it? Just think about it, for half that we could have all the boxes fitted out and a 3000 bank of terracing that would pay for itself in 3 or 4 seasons.
Financing such small redevelopment in stages is only difficult if you dont want it to happen.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 02, 2018, 22:25:34 pm
No its the up graded 2018 version.
until you have the balls to even just send an email with your thoughts, ideas and concerns to the chairman then I have absolutely no interest in reading your monotonous, ill thought out, impossible to execute"ideas"


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 02, 2018, 22:32:30 pm
I agree with the sentiment of this. For the record a work colleague went to the Blackburn game in the South Stand, his first ever visit to Sixfields and he described it as the worst away ground he's ever been to. Terrible view and the limited facilities out in the open. If we offered more comfort and facilities to all fans, easier access to tickets with good views etc then more would come. But, it's speculate to accumulate and you have to be in it for the long haul and maybe KT isn't?

Send him to Stanley, Exeter, Stevenage even Burton etc etc and see what he thinks?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3040 on January 02, 2018, 22:36:20 pm
Marquis the font of all knowledge who supports another club, cretin.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 03, 2018, 06:44:40 am
until you have the balls to even just send an email with your thoughts, ideas and concerns to the chairman then I have absolutely no interest in reading your monotonous, ill thought out, impossible to execute"ideas"
Thomas/other club spokespersons love social media and its benefits of getting a message to the widest possible audience.
Me sending Thomas a personal email asking him to reconsider what I regard as his/their deliberately  low esteem of our towns football club  and its immediate urgent needs, is not going to do anything but when questions of inactivity and lack of direction appear on here theres usually a hastily arranged 'open forum' on social media.
Many of our own supporters thought we were ready to make our mark and be challengers when an extra bog door, nike shirts and £6 burgers arrived and that all was going to be great from now on in as we had 'real football people'...
These fans should not live with unfair false hope and realise that without us knowing a clear future strategy and the direction we're going in, its possibly  to our detriment for another 20 years or so.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 03, 2018, 08:40:07 am
I agree with the sentiment of this. For the record a work colleague went to the Blackburn game in the South Stand, his first ever visit to Sixfields and he described it as the worst away ground he's ever been to. Terrible view and the limited facilities out in the open. If we offered more comfort and facilities to all fans, easier access to tickets with good views etc then more would come. But, it's speculate to accumulate and you have to be in it for the long haul and maybe KT isn't?

Using a Blackburn fan's opinion is slightly skewed though as they are used to Premier league and Championship football.

Sixfields is not the best ground but it is certainly not the worst, I'm presuming your colleague hasn't been to AFC, Gillingham, or Bristol Rovers with Blackburn this season as they are miles worse than Sixfields. 
I'm not saying that we shouldn't be looking at improving our ground, far from it, it's just such a simplistic view that if you build it up the fans will automatically fill it.
The only way you get a massive boost is if you build a completely new ground, a new stand here and there will take years to make the money back UNLESS the team rises up the leagues.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 03, 2018, 09:26:54 am
Marquis the font of all knowledge who supports another club, cretin.
oh yeah, which other team?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 03, 2018, 09:39:39 am
What relevance does supporting another team have anyway?



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 03, 2018, 10:36:05 am
Using a Blackburn fan's opinion is slightly skewed though as they are used to Premier league and Championship football.

Sixfields is not the best ground but it is certainly not the worst, I'm presuming your colleague hasn't been to AFC, Gillingham, or Bristol Rovers with Blackburn this season as they are miles worse than Sixfields. 
I'm not saying that we shouldn't be looking at improving our ground, far from it, it's just such a simplistic view that if you build it up the fans will automatically fill it.
The only way you get a massive boost is if you build a completely new ground, a new stand here and there will take years to make the money back UNLESS the team rises up the leagues.
AFCW are soon to be moving into a superb stadium, Gillinghams ground is ready  for championship football and their ground apart from the open stand is not that bad.
Bristol rovers are a little over shadowed by City but have tried to get a new ground but this old place still have many corperate facilities we can only dream of and will probably improve it before we do anything.
Sixfields is the most pathetic little not for for purpose ground, all things considered in league 1 and maybe even league 2.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 03, 2018, 11:15:09 am
AFCW are soon to be moving into a superb stadium, Gillinghams ground is ready  for championship football and their ground apart from the open stand is not that bad.
Bristol rovers are a little over shadowed by City but have tried to get a new ground but this old place still have many corperate facilities we can only dream of and will probably improve it before we do anything.
Sixfields is the most pathetic little not for for purpose ground, all things considered in league 1 and maybe even league 2.


You really are blinkered in your bias against Sixfields aren't you?

AFC are moving so let's re visit what Sixfields is like when they have moved.
Gillingham - so ignoring the fact that the away stand is absolute tosh you think it's ok? Pretty sure it has been voted the worst ground in England before but don't let that cloud your judgement.
Bristol Rovers - Probably improve it before we do anything - It is currently a crap stadium but you put it above Sixfields because they will improve it before we do.

I get that you hate Sixfields with a passion and I do agree that to progress we need to do something to the ground but to claim it's not fit for purpose is just ridiculous. It is a bang average ground - in terms of leagues one and two - no more no less.






Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2677 on January 03, 2018, 14:17:16 pm
oh yeah, which other team?
Is he confusing you with that guy on here who supports Chelsea?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 03, 2018, 16:06:58 pm
He seems the sort that is easily confused


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 03, 2018, 17:19:47 pm
You really are blinkered in your bias against Sixfields aren't you?

AFC are moving so let's re visit what Sixfields is like when they have moved.
Gillingham - so ignoring the fact that the away stand is absolute tosh you think it's ok? Pretty sure it has been voted the worst ground in England before but don't let that cloud your judgement.
Bristol Rovers - Probably improve it before we do anything - It is currently a crap stadium but you put it above Sixfields because they will improve it before we do.

I get that you hate Sixfields with a passion and I do agree that to progress we need to do something to the ground but to claim it's not fit for purpose is just ridiculous. It is a bang average ground - in terms of leagues one and two - no more no less.





Sixfields is not a league one stadium, it's a conference bottom end L2 ground, it was better before they vandalised the East stand. I for one am embarrassed of it.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 03, 2018, 19:10:52 pm
You really are blinkered in your bias against Sixfields aren't you?

AFC are moving so let's re visit what Sixfields is like when they have moved.
Gillingham - so ignoring the fact that the away stand is absolute tosh you think it's ok? Pretty sure it has been voted the worst ground in England before but don't let that cloud your judgement.
Bristol Rovers - Probably improve it before we do anything - It is currently a crap stadium but you put it above Sixfields because they will improve it before we do.

I get that you hate Sixfields with a passion and I do agree that to progress we need to do something to the ground but to claim it's not fit for purpose is just ridiculous. It is a bang average ground - in terms of leagues one and two - no more no less.





Because 1 or 2 other league clubs may have a s***e set up like us makes it OK. .
Look up not down to find where we should be.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 04, 2018, 07:02:47 am
Why should we be anywhere?

I want us to progress and move onwards and upwards but we have no right to be anywhere. It's not the stadium that kept us in League two for 7 years, it's not the stadium that won us promotion under Wilder and it's certainly not the stadium that has provided the mindless football in 2017.

In terms of what we have, we are bang average for leagues one and two. As for conference comments, that's just laughable. Admittedly the East Stand vandalism (great description) has made the ground worse but that's stating the obvious.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 04, 2018, 07:31:17 am
I haven't an issue with what KT says, far from it. That is that he/they will sort the East Stand out as number1 priority, whilst injecting funds into the team. Try and get the team up the division/competitive/into the Championship. And then look at other areas of the ground to improve/increase capacity.

Where the frustration is is that 2 years and 3 months later (seats being put back aside) we are where we were when he arrived and the earmarked 4 million squid is still nowhere near to have been seen as far as redevelopment is concerned.

Whose fault that is is purely down to interpretation of whats been said, what obscured knowledge we all have on the subject. Some people think they know far more than they do (this is genuinely not being pointed in anyones direction, just a general observation), the 'regime' is VERY CLOSED DOORS, and apart from KT and the 'investors' no sod knows jack all!

KT's last statement on the subject was shoving it out until 'early 2018'. That could be January, February, March, April…he's the king of spin!

The council remain publicly silent but its definitely the case that they have made some major f-ups themselves since KT arrived with regards to the leases. Whether that stops KT from building or whether it gives him the excuse to not build, time will tell.

Finally, him being quiet in recent times is most likely because he's sharp enough to realise that he cannot keep saying the same things, the only thing now that will gain credibility is action.

People do need to stop comparing the poor performance on the pitch with whats happening off it though. Money has been spent, money is being spent. We have the most competitive budget for this division probably ever. On paper, his appointments (particularly the last/current one) have shown ambition. We paid compensation for Page ffs. JE (Gills aside) had a superb cv. He hasn't got the benefit of hindsight…and I think its grossly unfair that he is being hammered about sh1t appointments and the shocking football we've had to put up with during 2017!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 04, 2018, 11:27:51 am
I haven't an issue with what KT says, far from it. That is that he/they will sort the East Stand out as number1 priority, whilst injecting funds into the team. Try and get the team up the division/competitive/into the Championship. And then look at other areas of the ground to improve/increase capacity.

Where the frustration is is that 2 years and 3 months later (seats being put back aside) we are where we were when he arrived and the earmarked 4 million squid is still nowhere near to have been seen as far as redevelopment is concerned.

Whose fault that is is purely down to interpretation of whats been said, what obscured knowledge we all have on the subject. Some people think they know far more than they do (this is genuinely not being pointed in anyones direction, just a general observation), the 'regime' is VERY CLOSED DOORS, and apart from KT and the 'investors' no sod knows jack all!

KT's last statement on the subject was shoving it out until 'early 2018'. That could be January, February, March, April…he's the king of spin!

The council remain publicly silent but its definitely the case that they have made some major f-ups themselves since KT arrived with regards to the leases. Whether that stops KT from building or whether it gives him the excuse to not build, time will tell.

Finally, him being quiet in recent times is most likely because he's sharp enough to realise that he cannot keep saying the same things, the only thing now that will gain credibility is action.

People do need to stop comparing the poor performance on the pitch with whats happening off it though. Money has been spent, money is being spent. We have the most competitive budget for this division probably ever. On paper, his appointments (particularly the last/current one) have shown ambition. We paid compensation for Page ffs. JE (Gills aside) had a superb cv. He hasn't got the benefit of hindsight…and I think its grossly unfair that he is being hammered about sh1t appointments and the shocking football we've had to put up with during 2017!
Just a few observations 😉
Spending vast sums of money on players in hope we challenge in league 1 to achieve championship level without the infrastructure in place to entice and attract corperate and new support is the biggest mistake ever  which the unsustainable  expense ends up as toxic debts saddled to the club. Cardozas and their 8.5m with nothing to show for it anyone?

Delays in redevelopment must never be levelled at the council and the council should resist unconditionally  handing over land leases on the promise that the football club gets a handful of useless token gestures if its lucky.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: threeinabed on January 04, 2018, 12:05:13 pm
Sixfields is not a league one stadium, it's a conference bottom end L2 ground, it was better before they vandalised the East stand. I for one am embarrassed of it.

just checked the league tables and we werent in the conference or league 2!?



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 04, 2018, 13:02:14 pm
Just a few observations 😉
Spending vast sums of money on players in hope we challenge in league 1 to achieve championship level without the infrastructure in place to entice and attract corperate and new support is the biggest mistake ever  which the unsustainable  expense ends up as toxic debts saddled to the club. Cardozas and their 8.5m with nothing to show for it anyone?

Delays in redevelopment must never be levelled at the council and the council should resist unconditionally  handing over land leases on the promise that the football club gets a handful of useless token gestures if its lucky.



Playing devils advocate here.

If I won 100million on the Euro Millions tomorrow, and decided to waste 20 million quid of it on the Cobblers, this is how I would spend it!

Year 1: - Assuming current budget is 2.5million and we are likely to lose about a million - Id increase that to 3.5 million in year 1. That should see us top end of league1. Id stomach the 2 million loss that the club would probably make. NET SPEND - £2 MILLION.
Year 2: Id increase the budget to 4 million, whilst *assuming that Id sell more tickets/corporates etc in current Sixfields, so overall NET SPEND OVERALL - 4 MILLION.
Year 3: Again, increase the budget to 4.5million, again assuming that losses would be 2million. NET SPEND OVERALL - 6 MILLION. Wed get promoted this season!!
Year 4: Id bail out.

Why?

Because quite simply, to generate income for 10-15million pound wage bill that would be needed to stand any chance of survival in the championship, you'd have to spend an absolute fortune on infrastructure! Wed need gates of 15000-20000 for starters to 'compete'. Bear in mind many champs clubs have parachute payments worth xxx millions.

This is my issue with your numbers. 12000 is neither here nor there. 20 years ago, bang on. Id have fully agreed with your planned growth proposal. But these days it wouldn't work mate. All it would take is one crap season on the pitch, its game over. You'd make a massive loss, which wouldn't be sustainable.

Our current owners, ONE WOULD ASSUME, have done their numbers. I was told on good authority that they know 13million is needed for a championship wage bill so they are no chicken farmers. They spent a lot on wages at the start of this season, they've since brought in a very expensive management team. This months dealings…jury is out of course. But I've been told by a few different sources that big money is available for JFH to strut his stuff with. Why would they be sanctioning this spend if they haven't got 'a full on plan'?

DC was on a different planet. He thought the council would bail him out early doors, gave WIlko an open cheque book but that flirtation only lasted about 18 months before he heavily cut the budget. Basically as soon as he knew it wouldn't be simple to get Daddy's money back. The remainder of his tenure was a waste of time and it all ended in tears.

We will know this month if the Chinese are serious, either way. I suspect if they throw cash at the team then we can believe KT when he says that they will sort the ground out when its needed. I agree with them the way they appear to be proposing on doing it.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2539 on January 04, 2018, 13:48:21 pm
Talking of the 'silent' Council anybody hear a RUMOUR that there is a problem with the ownership of the Saints car parks?

Concerning comments; KT said 'early 2018 sorted!'
                                           James Whiting said in the last programme ''we certainly made significant progress in the closing weeks of 2017'
                                            NBC said 'F**k all!!!'-our representatives!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 04, 2018, 14:26:29 pm
just checked the league tables and we werent in the conference or league 2!?


give it about 16 weeks


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 04, 2018, 19:30:04 pm
Playing devils advocate here.

If I won 100million on the Euro Millions tomorrow, and decided to waste 20 million quid of it on the Cobblers, this is how I would spend it!

Year 1: - Assuming current budget is 2.5million and we are likely to lose about a million - Id increase that to 3.5 million in year 1. That should see us top end of league1. Id stomach the 2 million loss that the club would probably make. NET SPEND - £2 MILLION.
Year 2: Id increase the budget to 4 million, whilst *assuming that Id sell more tickets/corporates etc in current Sixfields, so overall NET SPEND OVERALL - 4 MILLION.
Year 3: Again, increase the budget to 4.5million, again assuming that losses would be 2million. NET SPEND OVERALL - 6 MILLION. Wed get promoted this season!!
Year 4: Id bail out.

Why?

Because quite simply, to generate income for 10-15million pound wage bill that would be needed to stand any chance of survival in the championship, you'd have to spend an absolute fortune on infrastructure! Wed need gates of 15000-20000 for starters to 'compete'. Bear in mind many champs clubs have parachute payments worth xxx millions.

This is my issue with your numbers. 12000 is neither here nor there. 20 years ago, bang on. Id have fully agreed with your planned growth proposal. But these days it wouldn't work mate. All it would take is one crap season on the pitch, its game over. You'd make a massive loss, which wouldn't be sustainable.

Our current owners, ONE WOULD ASSUME, have done their numbers. I was told on good authority that they know 13million is needed for a championship wage bill so they are no chicken farmers. They spent a lot on wages at the start of this season, they've since brought in a very expensive management team. This months dealings…jury is out of course. But I've been told by a few different sources that big money is available for JFH to strut his stuff with. Why would they be sanctioning this spend if they haven't got 'a full on plan'?

DC was on a different planet. He thought the council would bail him out early doors, gave WIlko an open cheque book but that flirtation only lasted about 18 months before he heavily cut the budget. Basically as soon as he knew it wouldn't be simple to get Daddy's money back. The remainder of his tenure was a waste of time and it all ended in tears.

We will know this month if the Chinese are serious, either way. I suspect if they throw cash at the team then we can believe KT when he says that they will sort the ground out when its needed. I agree with them the way they appear to be proposing on doing it.
Some very valid points but....
Regards what it costs to  compete in the championship which if properly managed maximising on the extra tv monies, extra advertising, corperate side selling 10 boxes etc, with sales of 7000 season tickets giving  gates  of 10 to 12000, with a decent
 but sensible player budget should give  us a chance not to compete with the big guns but to just survive a season or two before going back into league 1 ready to go again, which isnt the end of the world as we wouldve  picked up another few 1000 supporters that have been introduced and here for life.
You cut your cloth and don't commit too much but absolutely maximise with what's at your disposal.

Here's a question, If we were given  £3m by a benefactor to either spend on 3x £1m players or used it to fit out 10 corperate boxes fitted into the east  stand and build a bank of terracing up above the South stands seats to a bog standard  for the £3m, which option do you think would benefit the club most in the long term?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: #Frank on January 04, 2018, 19:50:44 pm
3x £1m players who would also be good at building  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 05, 2018, 08:56:50 am
Playing devils advocate here.

If I won 100million on the Euro Millions tomorrow, and decided to waste 20 million quid of it on the Cobblers, this is how I would spend it!

Year 1: - Assuming current budget is 2.5million and we are likely to lose about a million - Id increase that to 3.5 million in year 1. That should see us top end of league1. Id stomach the 2 million loss that the club would probably make. NET SPEND - £2 MILLION.
Year 2: Id increase the budget to 4 million, whilst *assuming that Id sell more tickets/corporates etc in current Sixfields, so overall NET SPEND OVERALL - 4 MILLION.
Year 3: Again, increase the budget to 4.5million, again assuming that losses would be 2million. NET SPEND OVERALL - 6 MILLION. Wed get promoted this season!!
Year 4: Id bail out.

Why?

Because quite simply, to generate income for 10-15million pound wage bill that would be needed to stand any chance of survival in the championship, you'd have to spend an absolute fortune on infrastructure! Wed need gates of 15000-20000 for starters to 'compete'. Bear in mind many champs clubs have parachute payments worth xxx millions.

This is my issue with your numbers. 12000 is neither here nor there. 20 years ago, bang on. Id have fully agreed with your planned growth proposal. But these days it wouldn't work mate. All it would take is one crap season on the pitch, its game over. You'd make a massive loss, which wouldn't be sustainable.

Our current owners, ONE WOULD ASSUME, have done their numbers. I was told on good authority that they know 13million is needed for a championship wage bill so they are no chicken farmers. They spent a lot on wages at the start of this season, they've since brought in a very expensive management team. This months dealings…jury is out of course. But I've been told by a few different sources that big money is available for JFH to strut his stuff with. Why would they be sanctioning this spend if they haven't got 'a full on plan'?

DC was on a different planet. He thought the council would bail him out early doors, gave WIlko an open cheque book but that flirtation only lasted about 18 months before he heavily cut the budget. Basically as soon as he knew it wouldn't be simple to get Daddy's money back. The remainder of his tenure was a waste of time and it all ended in tears.

We will know this month if the Chinese are serious, either way. I suspect if they throw cash at the team then we can believe KT when he says that they will sort the ground out when its needed. I agree with them the way they appear to be proposing on doing it.

Fully agree with this,

Rotherham couldn't compete in the Championship with a spanking new 12k stadium with all the accompanying corporate facilities. Why would we be able to?
Since our league one play off final attendances have been on a massive upward curve, the money in the Prem has increased meaning the Championship has more money bouncing around than ever before. 12k will not cut it, we would still be the second smallest club in the league.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3114 on January 05, 2018, 09:42:15 am
I haven't an issue with what KT says, far from it. That is that he/they will sort the East Stand out as number1 priority, whilst injecting funds into the team. Try and get the team up the division/competitive/into the Championship. And then look at other areas of the ground to improve/increase capacity.

Where the frustration is is that 2 years and 3 months later (seats being put back aside) we are where we were when he arrived and the earmarked 4 million squid is still nowhere near to have been seen as far as redevelopment is concerned.

Whose fault that is is purely down to interpretation of whats been said, what obscured knowledge we all have on the subject. Some people think they know far more than they do (this is genuinely not being pointed in anyones direction, just a general observation), the 'regime' is VERY CLOSED DOORS, and apart from KT and the 'investors' no sod knows jack all!

KT's last statement on the subject was shoving it out until 'early 2018'. That could be January, February, March, April…he's the king of spin!

The council remain publicly silent but its definitely the case that they have made some major f-ups themselves since KT arrived with regards to the leases. Whether that stops KT from building or whether it gives him the excuse to not build, time will tell.

Finally, him being quiet in recent times is most likely because he's sharp enough to realise that he cannot keep saying the same things, the only thing now that will gain credibility is action.

People do need to stop comparing the poor performance on the pitch with whats happening off it though. Money has been spent, money is being spent. We have the most competitive budget for this division probably ever. On paper, his appointments (particularly the last/current one) have shown ambition. We paid compensation for Page ffs. JE (Gills aside) had a superb cv. He hasn't got the benefit of hindsight…and I think its grossly unfair that he is being hammered about sh1t appointments and the shocking football we've had to put up with during 2017!
playing devils advocate Bournemouth are apparently yet to have a gate of 12,000 in the Prem not Championship and are arguably competing? Not having a go, just saying.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 05, 2018, 10:01:06 am
playing devils advocate Bournemouth are apparently yet to have a gate of 12,000 in the Prem not Championship and are arguably competing? Not having a go, just saying.

I believe Bournemouth got to the Championship without major investment other than the servicing of their debts etc.

It was when they were there that they had a huge investment allowing them to progress at the same time as having small attendances.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest168 on January 05, 2018, 10:13:44 am
About 5 years back Bournemouth reported annual losses of £15m, this was a few seasons before they hit the Prem.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: EssTeeFree on January 05, 2018, 10:21:58 am
I believe Bournemouth got to the Championship without major investment other than the servicing of their debts etc.

It was when they were there that they had a huge investment allowing them to progress at the same time as having small attendances.

They've been bankrolled by a Russian businessman for some time now. The year they won promotion from League 1, Howe left Burnley and dropped a division to go back. Depending on what reports you read they spent anywhere between £1.5m-£3m on transfer fees alone. This was going back 5 or 6 years so a significant spend for League One club


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 05, 2018, 10:23:13 am
http://www.bournemouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=80435&start=1
Their fans view on their finances..


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 05, 2018, 10:40:57 am
Anyone who thinks that having a bigger ground with more corporate facilities and capacity doesn't affect things in a positive way on the pitch is
a) Thick as pig sh1t
b) A cobblers fan
c) Someone who posts on this forum
d) All of the above


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 05, 2018, 13:24:12 pm
Someone who thinks that having a 'big' ground will automatically be filled and make us instantly better on the pitch is;
a) Thick as pig sh1t
b) A cobblers fan
c) Someone who posts on this forum
d) All of the above


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 05, 2018, 14:21:28 pm
Someone who thinks that having a 'big' ground will automatically be filled and make us instantly better on the pitch is;
a) Thick as pig sh1t
b) A cobblers fan
c) Someone who posts on this forum
d) All of the above
filled, full or sold out .... how about a compromise, just a 4/5000 capacity  increase that makes the stadium look more professional, atmospheric that incorporates some corperate boxes, restaurant and large supporters  bar that attracts a modest 2 to 3000 more of the 400,000 that currently  live within 10 miles of Sixfields and increase in visiting teams fans all currently put off by our amateurish set up.
Even if we never get to the championship... its still better than rotting away without any hope as we do currently?
How can you even start sell a club without it showing ambition? 



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 05, 2018, 15:30:16 pm
I agree with beds on the principles if not the details.  There are far too few of us ready to question the status quo at Sixfields.  We are going nowhere under KT and his Chinese friends.  KT is stalling on the East Stand and rather conveniently blaming it on NBC, the Chinese don't appear to have much money and if that is correct questions arise as to what they bring to the Sixfields table.  Answer, nothing.  That much must be apparent. 


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 05, 2018, 15:35:03 pm
Someone who thinks that having a 'big' ground will automatically be filled and make us instantly better on the pitch is;
a) Thick as pig sh1t
b) A cobblers fan
c) Someone who posts on this forum
d) All of the above
Sweet Jesus I give up, I guess some people just deserve NTFC in its current position.
# clueless



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 05, 2018, 15:39:33 pm
And these same people were posting "In Big Dave we trust" not so long ago.  Need I say more. Wake up and smell the s***.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 05, 2018, 15:41:30 pm
And these same people were posting "In Big Dave we trust" not so long ago.  Need I say more. Wake up and smell the ****.
I know mate, I hate saying this but I think we have some of the thickest supporters going.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 06, 2018, 17:25:24 pm
Back to the stats......hopefully the performance today should drag a few more along for future games, maybe a decent ticketing promotion can swell the gate against the Donkeys.

Today's game was up against the Coventry game last season as the 14th of the campaign....so the gap between last seasons home crowds and this has widened to almost 9%


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Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 14 home games       2016/17    5400        2017/18    4917      -8.94%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: #Frank on January 06, 2018, 17:39:41 pm
I know mate, I hate saying this but I think we have some of the thickest supporters going.

Finally installed a mirror in your gaff then?  :-*


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 08, 2018, 09:48:36 am
Sweet Jesus I give up, I guess some people just deserve NTFC in its current position.
# clueless



You really don't understand much do you?

I have never advocated against redeveloping to enable progress, what I do repeat that is conveniently ignored is that our set up at the moment should make us a match for all but a handful of league one / two clubs.

The only clueless people here are those that think a bigger ground will automatically be filled. MK? Ricoh?


#clueless


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2934 on January 08, 2018, 10:16:51 am
You really don't understand much do you?

I have never advocated against redeveloping to enable progress, what I do repeat that is conveniently ignored is that our set up at the moment should make us a match for all but a handful of league one / two clubs. League 2/National league, perhaps.

The only clueless people here are those that think a bigger ground will automatically be filled. MK? Ricoh?


#clueless

Man04 is absolutely correct. I think you should look a little closer at the commercial revenue streams of clubs with greater facilities, not just seats, although it's no coincidence that only two other clubs higher in the league pyramid have smaller grounds.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 08, 2018, 10:35:06 am
You really don't understand much do you?

I have never advocated against redeveloping to enable progress, what I do repeat that is conveniently ignored is that our set up at the moment should make us a match for all but a handful of league one / two clubs.

The only clueless people here are those that think a bigger ground will automatically be filled. MK? Ricoh?


#clueless
You have an aversion to go all or nothing, a trait KT has shown when he avoids discussing the prospects of a redev.
  You must realise that both these grounds are substantially bigger than the 12000 bench mark we require to have a more professional set up in order grow our product?
Stick to the script and there can be no hiding places😂


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest168 on January 08, 2018, 10:47:14 am
I think there are many factors that come together that make a club successful on and off the pitch. Our TEAM that won the league was down to adversity and togetherness with a team that battled, oh and Ricky Holmes, that built momentum and confidence, this was so strong (and also temporary) that it overcame the ground restrictions. Hell even the Trust and fans finally got off there arse and took some action.

It is not a surprise to me that it has been downhill again (and fast) since the togetherness has faded both from the club and the fans. There is no plan or ambition from the club, despite many still actively supporting KT, who has done almost nothing in the last 12 months. Next time you are at sixfields go around the back of the south stand and see what improvements KT thinks is good re the away fans. It is so much like history repeating itself it is untrue.

I dont know how any true Cobblers fan can say they dont want the ground to be bigger and more modern with decent facilities !!!  Once again history repeating itself with DC / KT and they do nothing but wait for NBC whilst the team fail on the pitch with umpteen short term players with no plan / no ambition and then come across as heroes to the many 'thick' fans as come transfer time, try to save their little investment by bring in even more short term signings with no game plan. Oh sorry the game plan is we need someone with pace or wide or can tackle or can run or save or score, well something we don't have from the 30-50 previous short term no plan signings !!!

The punters wont return whilst the club is being run into the ground unless it gets so desperate that our very future is under threat again. Hell even the Trust have given up communicating to the fans re the development or future demands / ambitions for the club.








Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 08, 2018, 11:04:35 am
You really don't understand much do you?

I have never advocated against redeveloping to enable progress, what I do repeat that is conveniently ignored is that our set up at the moment should make us a match for all but a handful of league one / two clubs.

The only clueless people here are those that think a bigger ground will automatically be filled. MK? Ricoh?


#clueless
Its "supporters" like you that make KT's life so easy, the club has sold its soul thanks to the incumbent chairman.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The Rauldinho on January 08, 2018, 11:29:20 am
The punters wont return whilst the club is being run into the ground unless it gets so desperate that our very future is under threat again. Hell even the Trust have given up communicating to the fans re the development or future demands / ambitions for the club.

I know maybe they should be more proactive about it, but have you tried contacting them to get their thoughts on the above?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 08, 2018, 12:33:17 pm
Its "supporters" like you that make KT's life so easy, the club has sold its soul thanks to the incumbent chairman.

Wow blaming 'me' for the state of the club because I'm not throwing tantrums about having a bigger ground. You do realise that it's supporters like you that make KT so reticent to discuss plans.

I have stated many times that it would be madness to start any other development until the East Stand fiasco is sorted and like many fans I want to see a solid development plan to be able to progress, I'm just not as dumb as you regarding how it would be paid for and how the money would be recouped.

#embarassingfans


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 08, 2018, 12:51:36 pm
Wow blaming 'me' for the state of the club because I'm not throwing tantrums about having a bigger ground. You do realise that it's supporters like you that make KT so reticent to discuss plans.

I have stated many times that it would be madness to start any other development until the East Stand fiasco is sorted and like many fans I want to see a solid development plan to be able to progress, I'm just not as dumb as you regarding how it would be paid for and how the money would be recouped.

#embarassingfans
I posted on here sometime ago how you could build a stand and sell space within the stand to help pay off an enabling loan, it even gave an example of Preston North End.
Please don't call me names unless you want to do it to my face?
#lets be friends


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Onetouch on January 08, 2018, 12:58:06 pm
I would suggest that plans for the East stand are on hold depending on our league 1 status.
I have faith in KT he got us out the mire when we needed him.
I think we do have money in the club and we are being sensible with it and not just accepting the first plans/cost that we get. Same for player purchases - A player is only worth what someone is willing to pay. Just beacuse a team want X amount doesnt mean they will get it.
Look at the Franklins Gardens didnt cost anything like the sums being put around when DC was here.
I dont think KT is a mug and will not be pressured into spending millions of pounds because a minority of fans are not happy the progress.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 08, 2018, 13:25:37 pm
I would suggest that plans for the East stand are on hold depending on our league 1 status.
I have faith in KT he got us out the mire when we needed him.
I think we do have money in the club and we are being sensible with it and not just accepting the first plans/cost that we get. Same for player purchases - A player is only worth what someone is willing to pay. Just beacuse a team want X amount doesnt mean they will get it.
Look at the Franklins Gardens didnt cost anything like the sums being put around when DC was here.
I dont think KT is a mug and will not be pressured into spending millions of pounds because a minority of fans are not happy the progress.

OK KT  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest168 on January 08, 2018, 13:53:03 pm
Bri77 KT gained control of the club for a paltry £145k plus change on the promise that he had £3m + to get the East stand built etc.

He has gone back on that promise, appears to have sold the club for millions and still gets lots of support despite us sliding back to league 2.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest168 on January 08, 2018, 13:58:40 pm
I was at the end of season Champions dinner and KT gave a great speech about togetherness and community, about building on what we have but it is clear that KT has little intention now, he is certainly in no rush to invest and develop OUR club

Again I said at York away that he would not develop the stand and is he for a quick buck, well so far I have been proven right AGAIN.

Surely you lot can see that if you are building a business then you are constantly making changes and improvements, getting better / more staff, attracting more customers, offering better value, better service, better facilities etc etc. Please everbrite and others tell me I am wrong and why you think KT is good for our club. (please no he saved us crap)



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 08, 2018, 17:39:50 pm
t despite us sliding back to league 2.


??? whats the weather like this summer, time traveller


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 08, 2018, 20:47:58 pm
I posted on here sometime ago how you could build a stand and sell space within the stand to help pay off an enabling loan, it even gave an example of Preston North End.
Please don't call me names unless you want to do it to my face?
#lets be friends

Your anti KT and anti pretty much Cobblers in general is embarassing, not sure how that hash tag is anymore name calling than your pig s*** or clueless ones but then your ‘how to run a football club’ logic Doesn’t make much sense either.

Random, didn’t it cost more to clear the debts than a mere 145k and how has KT made millions?


Just to clarify, the silence about the east stand is really frustrating as it needs resolving, I’m just not labelling KT with the brush Cardoza deserved. If KT is only out to make more money from a business point of view surely the legalities in the east stand being resolved will make the earning potential / sell on value better for KT too?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on January 08, 2018, 20:58:43 pm
Random, didn’t it cost more to clear the debts than a mere 145k and how has KT made millions

Random rarely lets actual known facts get in the way of a KT rant  - but to be fair, lack of communication from the club does create the vacuum that encourages the unproven accusations


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on January 08, 2018, 21:00:59 pm
I posted on here sometime ago how you could build a stand and sell space within the stand to help pay off an enabling loan, it even gave an example of Preston North End.
Please don't call me names unless you want to do it to my face?
#lets be friends

You did, and it was a pretty impressive plan which I would love KT to embrace but I suspect circumstances at every football club are very different


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TownOwl on January 08, 2018, 21:05:08 pm
Thanks random and co, I finally get it now you've explained it for the millionth time. I'm such a fool for not grasping it sooner.

If only KT had sorted out all the legal issues and spent 4 million and finished the East sooner, then JED wouldn't have hacked together a woefully inbalanced team that's languishing in the relegation zone.

Sheesh it was all so simple. That's hindsight for you.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 08, 2018, 22:05:24 pm
You did, and it was a pretty impressive plan which I would love KT to embrace but I suspect circumstances at every football club are very different
Yes some clubs are pro active and get things done, others rot.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 08, 2018, 22:10:45 pm
Thanks random and co, I finally get it now you've explained it for the millionth time. I'm such a fool for not grasping it sooner.

If only KT had sorted out all the legal issues and spent 4 million and finished the East sooner, then JED wouldn't have hacked together a woefully inbalanced team that's languishing in the relegation zone.

Sheesh it was all so simple. That's hindsight for you.
for £4m you could knock down that stand and build a proper one. For £1m you could stick some boxes in the holes a resturant and bar in a basic fit out.
This couldve been done last summer.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2487 on January 08, 2018, 22:12:35 pm
Nobody is stopping you.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 08, 2018, 22:16:20 pm
You did, and it was a pretty impressive plan which I would love KT to embrace but I suspect circumstances at every football club are very different
Thank god for posters like yourself who actually take the time to read what's posted and make a balanced and intelligent response.
Maybe Bri you should have a look instead of throwing childish insults around.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TownOwl on January 08, 2018, 22:45:06 pm
for £4m you could knock down that stand and build a proper one. For £1m you could stick some boxes in the holes a resturant and bar in a basic fit out.
This couldve been done last summer.

In your opinion, would some boxes, a restaurant and a bar added last summer in the East have resulted in a good league position now?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2934 on January 09, 2018, 05:46:57 am
In your opinion, would some boxes, a restaurant and a bar added last summer in the East have resulted in a good league position now?

Jesus f***ing christ. In your opinion are teams built with cash or thin air? Facilities generate cash and good commercial facilities generate the sort of cash your little backward thinking arse sat in the stand cannot even dream of, even backwards.

Same as your house, if you have one, you can pay for redevelopments and improving your business over a very long period of time, then re-finance and re-finance if you wish, whilst the generated instant income from added sponsorship, sales of corporate "season tickets" restaurants, bars etc can be facilitated into team building and a fraction towards repayments. It's how every business improves.

Name one other club higher in the league pyramid with less match day or non match day commercial revenue than NTFC. There isn't one, penny dropping now? Only Wimbledon have less but only for another year.

So in my opinion, it's highly possible that if the east stand had been properly finished last year we would not be languishing in the drop zone. It's amusing when some here cry, "where's the money to expand", or even funnier, "why don't you do it yourself" when they demand everyday someone dips in their pocket for new signings.

It's high time some marbles on here opened their eyes.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest170 on January 09, 2018, 06:52:08 am

Name one other club higher in the league pyramid with less match day or non match day commercial revenue than NTFC. There isn't one, penny dropping now? Only Wimbledon have less but only for another year.
Brentford


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 09, 2018, 06:59:24 am
Thank god for posters like yourself who actually take the time to read what's posted and make a balanced and intelligent response.
Maybe Bri you should have a look instead of throwing childish insults around.

#potkettle


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 09, 2018, 07:14:24 am
Brentford
Brenford getting a new ground build,  but Id be surprised if they have even less than us?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2487 on January 09, 2018, 07:15:55 am
There certainly seems to be one side of the argument that is a lot more childish than the other. Ain't hard to accept people have different views, that's life!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2934 on January 09, 2018, 08:17:35 am
Brentford

Despite an antiquated stadium they enjoy over double the matchday income of NTFC. As Beds alludes too, soon to be improved even further... http://www.brentfordcommunitystadium.com/

In the 1960's football was for men and boys, grounds were simple and commercial revenue non-existant, this was the last time NTFC was in any way on a parallel with clubs in the top two divisions. It is no coincidence the club has festered since then.

You lot can bleat all you want about the stadium being meaningless, but it's not, it has a direct influence over the finances needed for success.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest170 on January 09, 2018, 08:25:04 am
Brenford getting a new ground build,  but Id be surprised if they have even less than us?
Last two published accounts show a £12m and £17m loss. £934k in commercial revenue.

I'd take lower commercial revenue than be reliant on a benefactor to the amounts above anyday


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2934 on January 09, 2018, 10:16:10 am
Last two published accounts show a £12m and £17m loss. £934k in commercial revenue.

I'd take lower commercial revenue than be reliant on a benefactor to the amounts above anyday

I don't think that pitch will ever work if you decide to start a business!

It all depends on your assets, we're all benefactors to some financial institution or another through our lifetimes, more so in business. Numbers are irrelevant, servicing the debt is what's important. Matthew Benham is not adverse to a gamble and I'm sure he'll bear the fruits through the new development there you go, that word again.

If you wish to be paid less in your lifetime, never borrow nor be a lender be, that's up to you. Incredibly old fashioned and very dull.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2677 on January 09, 2018, 10:17:41 am
Stanley?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 09, 2018, 10:18:24 am
Last two published accounts show a £12m and £17m loss. £934k in commercial revenue.

I'd take lower commercial revenue than be reliant on a benefactor to the amounts above anyday
Absolutely, maximising  the most from whats at our disposal is the way to go, steady sustainable  growth  is what we all agree is needed,  these new players that we're getting in with such poor match day revenues from lack of infrastructure could/will end up on our losses column?
The dark days of being stuck owing cardoza £8.5m hopefully will never return.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 09, 2018, 16:44:04 pm
Name one other club higher in the league pyramid with less match day or non match day commercial revenue than NTFC. There isn't one, penny dropping now? Only Wimbledon
So there is one then?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 09, 2018, 19:46:14 pm
So there is one then?

 ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TownOwl on January 09, 2018, 20:17:26 pm
Jesus **** christ. In your opinion are teams built with cash or thin air? Facilities generate cash and good commercial facilities generate the sort of cash your little backward thinking arse sat in the stand cannot even dream of, even backwards.

Same as your house, if you have one, you can pay for redevelopments and improving your business over a very long period of time, then re-finance and re-finance if you wish, whilst the generated instant income from added sponsorship, sales of corporate "season tickets" restaurants, bars etc can be facilitated into team building and a fraction towards repayments. It's how every business improves.

Name one other club higher in the league pyramid with less match day or non match day commercial revenue than NTFC. There isn't one, penny dropping now? Only Wimbledon have less but only for another year.

So in my opinion, it's highly possible that if the east stand had been properly finished last year we would not be languishing in the drop zone. It's amusing when some here cry, "where's the money to expand", or even funnier, "why don't you do it yourself" when they demand everyday someone dips in their pocket for new signings.

It's high time some marbles on here opened their eyes.

Unfortunately I don't have a list of club commercial revenues. If you could point it out to me I'll happily check that there aren't any lower than ours that are higher in the pyramid (other than Wimbledon). As you are so knowledgeable on the subject, perhaps you could inform me as to whether there any that are higher commercial revenues than ours that are LOWER in the pyramid? There are two sides to every story and I'd like to check all the facts before jumping to a conclusion that you are correct. Stats can be quite misleading when used selectively.

In my opinion teams are built by good managers with good scouting networks, prudent chairmen, quality coaching, and a little luck. Spending cash helps, but it guarantees nothing, except perhaps a financial loss. Some clubs have gone bust spending more than they could repay. It turns out that not all businesses improve. Do you know how many businesses improved vs businesses that didn't or businesses that failed? It's scary. Invest, but only when it's right to do so. Use Darlington if you want a football version.

Let's now think through your house analogy. Yes I could borrow money, which comes at a risk, and pay it back over a long period of time. Of course I would have to be sure that my income was going to cover the repayments otherwise I'd be faced with repossession or less money for players than I had to start with. With interest rates on the rise it might be a larger fraction of my income than I thought. Of course, whether I was to loan the money or use the money I have already got in the bank is only part of the equation. I also need to get permission from the owner, given that I'm only in a leasehold house, planning permission, and the legalities sorted before I can spend any money on redeveloping my house. Sometimes this is frustrating when you really wanted that larger kitchen before the summer, but it just isn't possible. Sometimes people even object to my plans and then I have to justify everything and hope the powers that be decide in my favour.

We all thought we had spent a reasonable amount of money this summer. How can you be sure that if we had more, JED would not have spunked even more and still ended up with the kind of team he did? To assume money equals success is dangerous and myopic.

Finally, you suggest I have a little backward thinking arse. Well it's not as little as it used to be but thanks for the compliment. As for thinking, no, only my brain thinks. Forwards and backwards. I guess if you let your arse do the thinking it does at least explain some of your posts.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 09, 2018, 20:34:19 pm
Unfortunately I don't have a list of club commercial revenues. If you could point it out to me I'll happily check that there aren't any lower than ours that are higher in the pyramid (other than Wimbledon). As you are so knowledgeable on the subject, perhaps you could inform me as to whether there any that are higher commercial revenues than ours that are LOWER in the pyramid? There are two sides to every story and I'd like to check all the facts before jumping to a conclusion that you are correct. Stats can be quite misleading when used selectively.

In my opinion teams are built by good managers with good scouting networks, prudent chairmen, quality coaching, and a little luck. Spending cash helps, but it guarantees nothing, except perhaps a financial loss. Some clubs have gone bust spending more than they could repay. It turns out that not all businesses improve. Do you know how many businesses improved vs businesses that didn't or businesses that failed? It's scary. Invest, but only when it's right to do so. Use Darlington if you want a football version.

Let's now think through your house analogy. Yes I could borrow money, which comes at a risk, and pay it back over a long period of time. Of course I would have to be sure that my income was going to cover the repayments otherwise I'd be faced with repossession or less money for players than I had to start with. With interest rates on the rise it might be a larger fraction of my income than I thought. Of course, whether I was to loan the money or use the money I have already got in the bank is only part of the equation. I also need to get permission from the owner, given that I'm only in a leasehold house, planning permission, and the legalities sorted before I can spend any money on redeveloping my house. Sometimes this is frustrating when you really wanted that larger kitchen before the summer, but it just isn't possible. Sometimes people even object to my plans and then I have to justify everything and hope the powers that be decide in my favour.

We all thought we had spent a reasonable amount of money this summer. How can you be sure that if we had more, JED would not have spunked even more and still ended up with the kind of team he did? To assume money equals success is dangerous and myopic.

Finally, you suggest I have a little backward thinking arse. Well it's not as little as it used to be but thanks for the compliment. As for thinking, no, only my brain thinks. Forwards and backwards. I guess if you let your arse do the thinking it does at least explain some of your posts.

Whatever you think of this argument; this post is a great effort well constructed and an effective riposte to Exile and Beds etc.
Well done!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 09, 2018, 20:50:12 pm
Unfortunately I don't have a list of club commercial revenues. If you could point it out to me I'll happily check that there aren't any lower than ours that are higher in the pyramid (other than Wimbledon). As you are so knowledgeable on the subject, perhaps you could inform me as to whether there any that are higher commercial revenues than ours that are LOWER in the pyramid? There are two sides to every story and I'd like to check all the facts before jumping to a conclusion that you are correct. Stats can be quite misleading when used selectively.

In my opinion teams are built by good managers with good scouting networks, prudent chairmen, quality coaching, and a little luck. Spending cash helps, but it guarantees nothing, except perhaps a financial loss. Some clubs have gone bust spending more than they could repay. It turns out that not all businesses improve. Do you know how many businesses improved vs businesses that didn't or businesses that failed? It's scary. Invest, but only when it's right to do so. Use Darlington if you want a football version.

Let's now think through your house analogy. Yes I could borrow money, which comes at a risk, and pay it back over a long period of time. Of course I would have to be sure that my income was going to cover the repayments otherwise I'd be faced with repossession or less money for players than I had to start with. With interest rates on the rise it might be a larger fraction of my income than I thought. Of course, whether I was to loan the money or use the money I have already got in the bank is only part of the equation. I also need to get permission from the owner, given that I'm only in a leasehold house, planning permission, and the legalities sorted before I can spend any money on redeveloping my house. Sometimes this is frustrating when you really wanted that larger kitchen before the summer, but it just isn't possible. Sometimes people even object to my plans and then I have to justify everything and hope the powers that be decide in my favour.

We all thought we had spent a reasonable amount of money this summer. How can you be sure that if we had more, JED would not have spunked even more and still ended up with the kind of team he did? To assume money equals success is dangerous and myopic.

Finally, you suggest I have a little backward thinking arse. Well it's not as little as it used to be but thanks for the compliment. As for thinking, no, only my brain thinks. Forwards and backwards. I guess if you let your arse do the thinking it does at least explain some of your posts.
Just to add to your house analogy, what if you only needed to stay in your house on a Saturday and sometimes in the week, but the rest of the time you could sub lease out the bedrooms for the length of your loan because you didn't need the space? This is what a lot of clubs are doing with the space in stands. PNE used this model to build one of their stands.
I agree with you that just spending money doesn't mean success on the pitch.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TownOwl on January 09, 2018, 22:09:30 pm
As bad as the Cardozy situation turned out, I fully bought into it when he told me that we need a 365 day per year income coming in. I see the sense in that and I haven't changed that opinion. I'm not sure if a hotel was right, but a large function room and conferencing facilities could be.

It was the suggestion of spending a million slinging in a few boxes and a restaurant being the solution that I wasn't so sure about. That and the claim that NTFC's failure to do this is the reason we will be in league 2 next season (will we?) that prompted my lengthy posts in a debate I normally avoid.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 10, 2018, 06:57:54 am
Unfortunately I don't have a list of club commercial revenues. If you could point it out to me I'll happily check that there aren't any lower than ours that are higher in the pyramid (other than Wimbledon). As you are so knowledgeable on the subject, perhaps you could inform me as to whether there any that are higher commercial revenues than ours that are LOWER in the pyramid? There are two sides to every story and I'd like to check all the facts before jumping to a conclusion that you are correct. Stats can be quite misleading when used selectively.

In my opinion teams are built by good managers with good scouting networks, prudent chairmen, quality coaching, and a little luck. Spending cash helps, but it guarantees nothing, except perhaps a financial loss. Some clubs have gone bust spending more than they could repay. It turns out that not all businesses improve. Do you know how many businesses improved vs businesses that didn't or businesses that failed? It's scary. Invest, but only when it's right to do so. Use Darlington if you want a football version.

Let's now think through your house analogy. Yes I could borrow money, which comes at a risk, and pay it back over a long period of time. Of course I would have to be sure that my income was going to cover the repayments otherwise I'd be faced with repossession or less money for players than I had to start with. With interest rates on the rise it might be a larger fraction of my income than I thought. Of course, whether I was to loan the money or use the money I have already got in the bank is only part of the equation. I also need to get permission from the owner, given that I'm only in a leasehold house, planning permission, and the legalities sorted before I can spend any money on redeveloping my house. Sometimes this is frustrating when you really wanted that larger kitchen before the summer, but it just isn't possible. Sometimes people even object to my plans and then I have to justify everything and hope the powers that be decide in my favour.

We all thought we had spent a reasonable amount of money this summer. How can you be sure that if we had more, JED would not have spunked even more and still ended up with the kind of team he did? To assume money equals success is dangerous and myopic.

Finally, you suggest I have a little backward thinking arse. Well it's not as little as it used to be but thanks for the compliment. As for thinking, no, only my brain thinks. Forwards and backwards. I guess if you let your arse do the thinking it does at least explain some of your posts.
Is this a case against ntfc having a better ground and match day facilities?
Why have you mentioned the little town of Darlington and there whopping great white elephant 25000 seater stadium ?
No one here asks for or wants that.

Good teams and management can be built at most places but only those with the infrastructure in place that can sustain momentum retain their squads or buy and sell profitably.

As for funding any redev in stages,  we could easily raise funds using several tried and tested ways using future incomes that would be paid back by the rise in match day / 365 day revenues. The Chinese or Kelvin need not mither the council or spend a penny of there own money.
Continual delays and inactivity  will harm our club.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 10, 2018, 09:17:42 am

Para 1) Good teams and management can be built at most places but only those with the infrastructure in place that can sustain momentum retain their squads or buy and sell profitably.

Para2) As for funding any redev in stages,  we could easily raise funds using several tried and tested ways using future incomes that would be paid back by the rise in match day / 365 day revenues. The Chinese or Kelvin need not mither the council or spend a penny of there own money.
Continual delays and inactivity  will harm our club.

Para1) As a matter of interest can you please name the Clubs who meet this criteria - there can’t be that many?

Para 2) This appears to be misleading information;its never easy to raise and maintain funds for ReDev. If it was then somebody would be masterminding the project (perhaps you)?

As I understand it you are not an accountant or a financial ‘wizard’ but a Builders Tradesman - which is fine.
 It is unlikely you would have the qualifications to enable you to acquire the expertise necessary in financial projects. This is not a social comment but merely an observation on your comments in para 2.

You remind me of the Roman Politician who finished every speech with the tag ‘delenda est carthago’.That is the inevitable ref to KT etc directly or otherwise.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2235 on January 10, 2018, 09:47:30 am
Para1) As a matter of interest can you please name the Clubs who meet this criteria - there can’t be that many?

Para 2) This appears to be misleading information;its never easy to raise and maintain funds for ReDev. If it was then somebody would be masterminding the project (perhaps you)?

As I understand it you are not an accountant or a financial ‘wizard’ but a Plasterer. It is unlikely you would have the qualifications to enable you to acquire the expertise necessary in financial projects. This is not a social comment but merely an observation on your comments in para 2.

You remind me of the Roman Politician who finished every speech with the tag ‘delenda est carthago’.That is the inevitable ref to KT etc directly or otherwise.


Aren't we in the running to sign him?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2934 on January 10, 2018, 10:04:44 am
Unfortunately I don't have a list of club commercial revenues......

Well done Owl for all your thinking but what a pile of banal, risk averse drivel! The Darlington analogy took it to new depths then to have it endorsed by Neverite rubber stamps it.

The coaches, managers, scouts you all mention want paying and as in every sphere of life the best paid are usually the best at their jobs. This is why the moment we have any talent at the club the slightest opportunity comes along, whoosh, their off. So where is this money to come from to pay these people or are you happy with league two?

The only way to make profit is by risk, if you prefer to leave it in the bank you'll die poor. You invest, and I do take your point that not everything works out fine but that's life.

Without genuine investment in the stadium or the grounds the club faces no future whatsoever, it will be just the same as has for the last 50 years or worse. Until somebody finally builds the necessary commercial outlets the club will never have the finances and always be in debt to arseholes such as Cardoza and that's exactly what they want.

It doesn't need a "thinker" to work out something so plainly obvious.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest170 on January 10, 2018, 10:28:37 am


Without genuine investment in the stadium or the grounds the club faces no future whatsoever, it will be just the same as has for the last 50 years or worse. Until somebody finally builds the necessary commercial outlets the club will never have the finances and always be in debt to arseholes such as Cardoza and that's exactly what they want.
I think most agree with this, I certainly do. What people disagree on is what it means. Personally for me adding additional seats isn't required currently, in the home or away ends. What is needed is better corporate facilities and better marketing of the ones we have now. Since KT came in he seems to have started this with the development of the restaurant, using the small or large marquee for 'bigger' games and hosting a few small business lunches / meetings with local businesses. I'm not saying he cant or should have done more however and I don't see a lot (any) promoting the use of the restaurant etc on non match days.

I'm interested what you see as being the 'necessary commercial outlets'.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 10, 2018, 11:46:30 am
I think most agree with this, I certainly do. What people disagree on is what it means. Personally for me adding additional seats isn't required currently, in the home or away ends. What is needed is better corporate facilities and better marketing of the ones we have now. Since KT came in he seems to have started this with the development of the restaurant, using the small or large marquee for 'bigger' games and hosting a few small business lunches / meetings with local businesses. I'm not saying he cant or should have done more however and I don't see a lot (any) promoting the use of the restaurant etc on non match days.

I'm interested what you see as being the 'necessary commercial outlets'.
Your personal preference, which happens to also be Thomas's which is to just fit some corperate  boxes into the shell and not do anything about making the ground a more attractive professional place to watch and play at. Players are swayed by better surroundings if ££ is similar.
Other down sides are, we wouldn't ever be able to progress far out of the bottom division which kills local interest in their club.
We would continue fleecing locals who decides on match days they would like to watch their local club and be hit with £24 to sit in an amature looking ground, never to rrturn. £20 in a more professional  atmospheric ground and they will be back, regularly.
Having strict admission criteria for our bigger games caused by low capacity  that keep gates down because people like to turn up when they can not being forced to always buy in advance or subjected to a data base only entry.

Never be able to build up our supporters base from a vast catchment in an area of young population. Sky sports will fill the void.
Benefits of leaving the ground in its present poor state.... None.   


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 10, 2018, 12:06:09 pm
Well done Owl for all your thinking but what a pile of banal, risk averse drivel! The Darlington analogy took it to new depths then to have it endorsed by Neverite rubber stamps it.


Owls post was well written and a decent riposte too. You should learn to be more gracious when confronted with a reasonably intelligent response. We have all listened over the past year or so to the persuasive opinions
of Beds,Mano4 etc and now you. What you all fail to grasp is by and large Forum Members have rejected the proposals outlined by the gang of 4(?).
There is some sympathy for Beds cause but with the type of reply you resort to is crude and does no favour to Beds Crusade; probably harms it. Are you actually a bona fida Supporter or merely a disgruntled ex pat living in a foreign country with an axe or two to grind?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest170 on January 10, 2018, 12:11:22 pm
Your personal preference, which happens to also be Thomas's which is to just fit some corperate  boxes into the shell and not do anything about making the ground a more attractive professional place to watch and play at. Players are swayed by better surroundings if ££ is similar.Other down sides are, we wouldn't ever be able to progress far out of the bottom division which kills local interest in their club.
We would continue fleecing locals who decides on match days they would like to watch their local club and be hit with £24 to sit in an amature looking ground, never to rrturn. £20 in a more professional  atmospheric ground and they will be back, regularly.
Having strict admission criteria for our bigger games caused by low capacity  that keep gates down because people like to turn up when they can not being forced to always buy in advance or subjected to a data base only entry.

Never be able to build up our supporters base from a vast catchment in an area of young population. Sky sports will fill the void.
Benefits of leaving the ground in its present poor state.... None.   
New signing Dean Bowditch says that playing his football in the ‘fantastic’ atmosphere at Sixfields was a key factor in him signing for the Cobblers. New signing Dean Bowditch says that playing his football in the ‘fantastic’ atmosphere at Sixfields was a key factor in him signing for the Cobblers. when you have such a big stadium, and not the amount of fans that you want, then sometimes you can get a little lost.Then you come to places like Sixfields, especially when I have been with the Dons, the atmosphere has been fantastic, and that was definitely one of the reasons I came here.

As I have said previously, I would love a better stadium with better corporate facilities but we don't have the owners who can give us that over night. Just fitting some corporate boxes into the shell will lead to increased revenue that can then be used to further invest and build up in a sustainable, necessary way.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: EssTeeFree on January 10, 2018, 12:33:11 pm
We would continue fleecing locals who decides on match days they would like to watch their local club and be hit with £24 to sit in an amature looking ground, never to rrturn. £20 in a more professional  atmospheric ground and they will be back, regularly.
Having strict admission criteria for our bigger games caused by low capacity  that keep gates down because people like to turn up when they can not being forced to always buy in advance or subjected to a data base only entry.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the development (or otherwise) argument, the bit quoted above would still happen even if we had a 20,000 seat stadium. Bigger games would be made all ticket / database only to prevent away fans rocking up and paying on the day to get into home areas.

I'm aware this happens now in some games (Sheff Utd anyone?) but that doesn't mean the club still wouldn't put measure is in place, even if the hypothetical 20,000 stadium was only getting ~5,000 a week


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 10, 2018, 12:37:21 pm
New signing Dean Bowditch says that playing his football in the ‘fantastic’ atmosphere at Sixfields was a key factor in him signing for the Cobblers. New signing Dean Bowditch says that playing his football in the ‘fantastic’ atmosphere at Sixfields was a key factor in him signing for the Cobblers. when you have such a big stadium, and not the amount of fans that you want, then sometimes you can get a little lost.Then you come to places like Sixfields, especially when I have been with the Dons, the atmosphere has been fantastic, and that was definitely one of the reasons I came here.

As I have said previously, I would love a better stadium with better corporate facilities but we don't have the owners who can give us that over night. Just fitting some corporate boxes into the shell will lead to increased revenue that can then be used to further invest and build up in a sustainable, necessary way.
Its a shame the atmospheric Sixfields didn't improve Bowditchs performances? Maybe he wasn't being 100% truthful 😂
The only reason I can think why Thomas believes that having boxes only is that he can claim they cost £4m after getting control of the vast amount leasehold up for grabs , which would give an impression of VFM, and then not bother his arse with the football clubs future??
Hopefully not that,  but the only alternative I can think of is he has a very low oppinion of what our football club could achieve if all the positives going for it were properly managed, which is a damn sight more than his promised boxes subject possibly  to nbc bending over.
Im still in the dark as to what is or not happening, but I would suspect one or two of the guess work and supposition by folk on here may have got close to the target forcing a rethink?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TownOwl on January 10, 2018, 23:04:27 pm
[1]Is this a case against ntfc having a better ground and match day facilities?
[2]Why have you mentioned the little town of Darlington and there whopping great white elephant 25000 seater stadium ?
No one here asks for or wants that.
[3]Good teams and management can be built at most places but only those with the infrastructure in place that can sustain momentum retain their squads or buy and sell profitably.
[4] we could easily raise funds using several tried and tested ways using future incomes that would be paid back by the rise in match day / 365 day revenues. The Chinese or Kelvin need not mither the council...
Continual delays and inactivity  will harm our club.

1. No.
2. Someone here was suggesting that we borrow and borrow again to spend and spend again on commercial facilities. I was trying to point out that this carries a great deal of risk and spending on facilities that don't get used does not work. Seats aren't the only possible white elephant. Sensible spending is constructive. Spending for spending's sake is a recipe for disaster.
3. Why? If most places can build good teams and management, why can't most places buy and sell profitably?
4. Fine. But don't they need to pursue the council for permission first? You seem to think that they can just do whatever they like, whenever they like.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TownOwl on January 11, 2018, 00:19:51 am
[1] The coaches, managers, scouts you all mention want paying and as in every sphere of life the best paid are usually the best at their jobs. This is why the moment we have any talent at the club the slightest opportunity comes along, whoosh, their off. So where is this money to come from to pay these people or are you happy with league two?

[2] The only way to make profit is by risk ...and I do take your point that not everything works out fine but that's life.

[3] Without genuine investment in the stadium or the grounds...


1. I did love that Championship winning season, when we did (just!) pay the coaching staff and scouts. In fact we're still paying coaches and scouts in L1, and I'll bet you we pay the current manager more than the successful one. I'm not happy with L2, but then we aren't in L2 either. Am I happy with L1? Yes. Perhaps a bash at the Championship every now and again would be nice, but nothing more thanks. I'm a different kind of supporter to you. I go to support them. I mean actually cheer them on. I enjoy it. Sometimes I even get stick for clapping them off after a terrible display and get branded a 'happy clapper'. Im not happy, I'm absolutely blimmin distraught, but if I know they tried their woeful best for my club, I'll appreciate it anyway. I enjoy supporting them at a sh1t hole park pitch in pre-season with no atmosphere, in freezing winds, or away at Anfield. Yes, I'd like to be proud of our stadium, but to me, I mostly just want a local league team to support. I'll tell you something, nobody likes the dark depressing days of clinging to L2 survival or being on the verge of nothingness, but they don't half make the good times even sweeter! I support a "big" club too. I watch them on tv and go to the odd game. I supported them before I supported the Cobbs. But I only have a season ticket at Sixfields. It's not as good a stadium as my other team, but it doesn't matter. The atmosphere isn't close to a par either. But I go to support my local team regardless, and do you know what, I enjoy it just as much, probably more. It actually would give me a difficult conflict if interests if NTFC got too high in the pyramid! Lots of fans are like me. Supporters like you, who would go to away games and line the coffers of other clubs, but not attend Sixfields to cheer your team on as you don't like the stadium, are quite different from me. That's not to say one is better than the other. We all want the best for our team and can enjoy the game in different ways.

2. Woah. Firstly, no it's not the only way. Where on Earth do you get an idea like that? I'll grant you that high risk can bring high reward. But it can also bring the end. When you admit that not everything works out, do you realise that we have 120 years of history at stake? This is not a rich guy losing his Ferrari or a limited company that liquidates and reforms where it left off. This is an institution for the people of Northampton and beyond. It cannot be allowed to die. (It might not bother you if you can't go to support anyway and you can still log on here and debate the good old days and pick apart where it went wrong.) I want to progress steadily, not lump it all on black and if we liquidate into nothingness then oh well. I'm really not risk averse, especially with other people's money, but (like the home analogy again) losing your home for your family is too much to contemplate losing. Some things you can't gamble on. You must make sensible progressive business decisions.

3. We all agree. It's your sh1t or bust approach that I disagree with I'm afraid. It's only my opinion, but it counts as much as yours.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2934 on January 11, 2018, 07:03:10 am
Owl, can I firstly thank you for your engaging reply, I also apologise if my manner comes along a little brusque on occasions, but that's the way I am so why hide it here?

We are brothers in arms, lifelong supporters, although unlike yourself I only have the one heart and I could never get in bed with anyone else other than my beloved Cobblers. Until I moved to sunnier shores through my work some time ago now I'd often attend 46 plus games a season and this all started in 1981. At the impressionable age of 12, a new light in my life arrived on visiting the County Ground for the first time, a night game, although I think that may have been the floodlights! Either way, I've stood proudly amongst my fellow supporters in the dark days and the few amazing times we've had. I've lost my bits stood in freezing North sea gales in Hartlepool on a Tuesday, cried tears against Crewe when seeing the team lift that trophy in front of an electric Hotel End, the Shrewsburys, Maidstones and Torquays. Even flying back just for Dagenham, he's one of our own and of course John Frain.

Though all the furor on here we have a simple equation right now and I hope amongst hopes that KT is trying to deliver something tangible for the clubs future. Either we rely on a sugar daddy to prop up the club, to whom we will incur debt, or the stadium is used to deliver more cash towards the football, managers and players we want and incur less debt to sustain a similar level. Both have costs and debt although the debt for development has so many options, flexibility and dimensions compared to owing a bastard such as Cardoza.

I'm afraid I will have to disagree to a fraction, risk is involved in everything we do, however it's obvious that risk can be offset or limited. I've spent a lifetime working on seemingly risky developments, turning often unwanted areas into thriving, welcoming and vibrant places to live. I'm just a tiny cog but have been fortunate to have worked with some of the finest architects in the world, possibly where I get the language from!

The East stand as we know it, and obviously depending on the legal minefield, has many options. Carefully, stage by stage, certainly not shit and bust as you allude to, it could become extremely profitable, add a potential hotel or apartments squeezed into a corner or corners, the club could be able to sustain a level above it does today. Maybe only marginally but most importantly without the feast and famine of relying on individuals. Careful and imaginative design can create a spark and can be promoted, not to your average fan, but to a wealth of investors, companies and individuals.

Of course this all hinges on the current owners to break the vicious cycle and just as we debate the teams selection and management, there's fuck all we can do!

Maybe off topic but then I'm a genuine disappearing punter.

Evers, it's not a crusade, you said exactly the same when a few started questioning Cardoza, you were wrong then, you're wrong now.

#Neverite


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 11, 2018, 07:15:38 am
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the development (or otherwise) argument, the bit quoted above would still happen even if we had a 20,000 seat stadium. Bigger games would be made all ticket / database only to prevent away fans rocking up and paying on the day to get into home areas.

I'm aware this happens now in some games (Sheff Utd anyone?) but that doesn't mean the club still wouldn't put measure is in place, even if the hypothetical 20,000 stadium was only getting ~5,000 a week
try a hypothetical 12000 ground, kelvin pulled the old over exagerated 30k nonsence to scaremonger against a ground redev..
If you suspect over 12000  will want to attend..all ticket
If you susoect 10,000 may attend.. promote it to the hilt, get in some revenues.

With just 7000 we have no choice but implement restrictions on admission several times a season even in our awful non leaguesque  ground.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 11, 2018, 07:21:23 am
Para1) As a matter of interest can you please name the Clubs who meet this criteria - there can’t be that many?

Para 2) This appears to be misleading information;its never easy to raise and maintain funds for ReDev. If it was then somebody would be masterminding the project (perhaps you)?

As I understand it you are not an accountant or a financial ‘wizard’ but a Builders Tradesman - which is fine.
 It is unlikely you would have the qualifications to enable you to acquire the expertise necessary in financial projects. This is not a social comment but merely an observation on your comments in para 2.

You remind me of the Roman Politician who finished every speech with the tag ‘delenda est carthago’.That is the inevitable ref to KT etc directly or otherwise.


Answer to para 1 Peterborough and 40 other clubs, But not Northampton.
Answer to para 2. Peterborough and 40 other clubs. But not Northampton.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest170 on January 11, 2018, 07:55:46 am
Answer to para 1 Peterborough and 40 other clubs, But not Northampton.
Answer to para 2. Peterborough and 40 other clubs. But not Northampton.
Hospitality is much better at Sixfields than it is as Peterborough, and Luton (the only 3 I have been to). I must admit I used to think London Road was a better stadium as I like the older stadia, especially with the old low roof, but since the redevelopment the ground is crap and sole less.

The redevelopment of London Road was paid for by a government grant and local council funds. I'm pretty sure we tried that already. Nothing to do with the current owner. Except the fact he threatened to leave the stadium that they don't own or have any control over


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 11, 2018, 09:36:54 am
Owl, can I firstly thank you for your engaging reply, I also apologise if my manner comes along a little brusque on occasions, ...

Evers, it's not a crusade, you said exactly the same when a few started questioning Cardoza, you were wrong then, you're wrong now.

#Neverite

I said Beds crusade, you are implying it’s yours! In common with many on here I sat on the fence with DC. I am always reticent to join in with those who resort to abusive language however just their cause.  I think your approach to the ReDev situation is wrong particularly when laced with coarse/abusive comments. Even now you failed to convince Owl of your proposals! One thing Beds does is not engage in abusive language inspite of extreme  provocation. Perhaps you can learn from him? Owl comes across as a genuine supporter and in my opinion you don’t . The architects I have met appear to be reasonable people with enlightened debating skills. All the best for the New Year.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 11, 2018, 09:48:37 am
Answer to para 1 Peterborough and 40 other clubs, But not Northampton.
Answer to para 2. Peterborough and 40 other clubs. But not Northampton.

You are a avoiding the two queries put to you.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: EssTeeFree on January 11, 2018, 10:30:16 am
try a hypothetical 12000 ground, kelvin pulled the old over exagerated 30k nonsence to scaremonger against a ground redev..
If you suspect over 12000  will want to attend..all ticket
If you susoect 10,000 may attend.. promote it to the hilt, get in some revenues.

With just 7000 we have no choice but implement restrictions on admission several times a season even in our awful non leaguesque  ground.

Change the 20,000 in my post to 12,000 and nothing changes. If we play 'boro in a 12,000 seat stadium and 8,000 want to go it will still be all ticket. If we are struggling in the league and another team can clinch promotion on our patch, even if only 4,000 of our fans are interested it will still be made all ticket to try and stop away fans flooding the home ends (effective or otherwise).

As I said I'm not wading into the redevelopment argument but simply saying a larger ground will mean more pay on the day punters is misguided, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 11, 2018, 11:57:38 am
Change the 20,000 in my post to 12,000 and nothing changes. If we play 'boro in a 12,000 seat stadium and 8,000 want to go it will still be all ticket. If we are struggling in the league and another team can clinch promotion on our patch, even if only 4,000 of our fans are interested it will still be made all ticket to try and stop away fans flooding the home ends (effective or otherwise).

As I said I'm not wading into the redevelopment argument but simply saying a larger ground will mean more pay on the day punters is misguided, in my opinion.
I reiterate my last reply, a lot less admission restrictions due to some spare capacity played out with a more professional atmospheric setting will see 2 or 3000 more regularly turning up to watch..
No bad thing eh?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 11, 2018, 12:50:09 pm
I reiterate my last reply, a lot less admission restrictions due to some spare capacity played out with a more professional atmospheric setting will see 2 or 3000 more regularly turning up to watch..
No bad thing eh?


You keep going on about a more professional atmospheric setting, I can say with as much certainty to you that increasing the capacity will not see between 2 and 3 k more fans turning up on that basis alone.

You may despise Sixfields with a passion but it is a bang average ground.

Extending the ground of 80% of the grounds in league one and two would have a minimal impact on the attendances, just like Sixfields.

There are so many examples of clubs having a lot of 'spare' capacity.

Doncaster on boxing day was roughly 50% full, where were all the extrra fans because they had space?
The Ricoh is nearly 'empty' every match.
Carlisle, it may be a dump but it's atmospheric, (in a non modern way) the same applies for Posh.
MK - well what can we say, fantastic stadium, amazing offers constantly to the locals and yet a ground that is probably two thirds empty most games.

A better ground would be great, but it certainly wouldn't result in your 'claims'
 



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 11, 2018, 13:46:32 pm
You keep going on about a more professional atmospheric setting, I can say with as much certainty to you that increasing the capacity will not see between 2 and 3 k more fans turning up on that basis alone.

You may despise Sixfields with a passion but it is a bang average ground.

Extending the ground of 80% of the grounds in league one and two would have a minimal impact on the attendances, just like Sixfields.

There are so many examples of clubs having a lot of 'spare' capacity.

Doncaster on boxing day was roughly 50% full, where were all the extrra fans because they had space?
The Ricoh is nearly 'empty' every match.
Carlisle, it may be a dump but it's atmospheric, (in a non modern way) the same applies for Posh.
MK - well what can we say, fantastic stadium, amazing offers constantly to the locals and yet a ground that is probably two thirds empty most games.

A better ground would be great, but it certainly wouldn't result in your 'claims'
 

T
Springfield park 1996 Wigan 1 cobblers 1 att 1800. (250 away)

Would our catchment be more inclined to attend a proper league stadium?

Would enhanced match day atmosphere be a draw for our younger fans to attend more regularly?

Better players from more income = more fans..
You cant Make a case a against improved ground.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 11, 2018, 14:09:17 pm
Springfield park 1996 Wigan 1 cobblers 1 att 1800. (250 away)

Would our catchment be more inclined to attend a proper league stadium?

Would enhanced match day atmosphere be a draw for our younger fans to attend more regularly?

Better players from more income = more fans..
You cant Make a case a against improved ground.

Which reinforces one of my previous points,

The novelty of a new ground bumps the crowds up. just like our move to Sixfields did, if my memory is correct our crowds probably doubled. An increased capacity at an existing ground does not increase it in the same way.

Out of interest, how much money did Dave Whelan pump into Wigan? How many times do you think they have sold out despite having lots available?
Add to that the fact they had over 50% empty seats in their top of the table clash recently against Shrewsbury, doesn't exactly make it atmospheric does it?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TownOwl on January 11, 2018, 14:11:36 pm
Springfield park 1996 Wigan 1 cobblers 1 att 1800. (250 away)

You cant Make a case a against improved ground.

Highfield Road, Coventry. 1967. Division 2. Att. 51,455. Coventry City v Wolverhampton Wanderers. They don't get anything like that at the Ricoh. They don't even have the capacity.

We can all pull a random stat to "prove" a case.

I do, however, understand that we need a better stadium.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on January 11, 2018, 15:14:59 pm
FFS - we all would love a better ground but put simply it is a winning and entertaining side brings in extra punters - sure you want the capacity to house them but this is a medium rather than a short term need.

Players with the entertainment value of Holmes and Pereira will add to the gate - not a thousand extra seats & when I see successive sell outs I will join the expansion now rants.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 11, 2018, 17:19:10 pm
FFS - we all would love a better ground but put simply it is a winning and entertaining side brings in extra punters - sure you want the capacity to house them but this is a medium rather than a short term need.

Players with the entertainment value of Holmes and Pereira will add to the gate - not a thousand extra seats & when I see successive sell outs I will join the expansion now rants.
Holmes has gone, we couldn't retain his services or get a fair sell price because we are known as a hand to mouth  non progressive club with non league facilities.
Players only come here for a last meal ticket or to resurrect a faltering career, ie pereira, if he was ours to sell, do you think when tears up league 1 he wont be subjected to head turning interest from switched on clubs who have their acts together? Bidding will start at 60 grand but after negotiations an undisclosed fee of 90k with 10% sell on will be agreed this is what we've become due to our inability to grow our club.
Are we the only league 1 side never to have sold a player for £1m despite having several go onto play premiership football!
Peterborough have just turned down a £4m offer for a former Northampton school boy,
Had he played for us he wouldve gone months ago for undisclosed amount of shirt buttons, not because we dont know the value of players but other clubs know we cant hold out.
It all comes down to building up the club, foundations first, supporters base and corperate  interest will soon follow then the better players will be attracted and we will find ourselves starting the bidding at a £m plus.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Vince Planner on January 11, 2018, 17:59:07 pm
I and two family members were season ticket holders for over 30 years, but stopped being so 3 years ago, for various reasons. We rarely go nowadays because when we do get the opportunity there are never 3 seats together in the West Stand and rarely 2 together apart from the very front or end rows. Beds is correct, a bigger stadium would increase the number of good seats available for non-season ticket holders and provide the opportunity for all of us to bring along friends, relatives, colleagues and customers when required.


Title: Disappearing Punters
Post by: everbrite on January 11, 2018, 18:08:42 pm
Holmes has gone, we couldn't retain his services or get a fair sell price because we are known as a hand to mouth  non progressive club with non league facilities.
Players only come here for a last meal ticket or to resurrect a faltering career, ie pereira, if he was ours to sell, do you think when tears up league 1 he wont be subjected to head turning interest from switched on clubs who have their acts together? Bidding will start at 60 grand but after negotiations an undisclosed fee of 90k with 10% sell on will be agreed this is what we've become due to our inability to grow our club.
Are we the only league 1 side never to have sold a player for £1m despite having several go onto play premiership football!
Peterborough have just turned down a £4m offer for a former Northampton school boy,
Had he played for us he wouldve gone months ago for undisclosed amount of shirt buttons, not because we dont know the value of players but other clubs know we cant hold out.
It all comes down to building up the club, foundations first, supporters base and corperate  interest will soon follow then the better players will be attracted and we will find ourselves starting the bidding at a £m plus.


You have a talent for half truths at best - for example Ricky Holmes,you omit any fact which might dilute the effectiveness of your claim. You even fail to mention that RH put in a transfer request. Your take on RH is so misleading is that it equates to 'false information'. Inaccurate comments by you to further your claims on the Clubs status is harmful; harms the Clubs image and more to the point it alienates those whom you wish to influence.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cordwainer2 on January 11, 2018, 18:17:44 pm
I and two family members were season ticket holders for over 30 years, but stopped being so 3 years ago, for various reasons. We rarely go nowadays because when we do get the opportunity there are never 3 seats together in the West Stand and rarely 2 together apart from the very front or end rows. Beds is correct, a bigger stadium would increase the number of good seats available for non-season ticket holders and provide the opportunity for all of us to bring along friends, relatives, colleagues and customers when required.
We tried to get an additional season ticket next to our 2 in the West Stand but all were taken except one in front. Almost every game there are up to a dozen seats empty next to us. Does some organisation block book them? Are they kept empty by the club to hand out to people? Always seemed a bit odd.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on January 11, 2018, 18:42:49 pm
We tried to get an additional season ticket next to our 2 in the West Stand but all were taken except one in front. Almost every game there are up to a dozen seats empty next to us. Does some organisation block book them? Are they kept empty by the club to hand out to people? Always seemed a bit odd.

I believe there’s quite a few companies that buy season tickets with the idea of giving them out to clients etc. Travis and Perkins have a couple near me and they are hardly ever used.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters
Post by: BedsCobb on January 11, 2018, 19:13:06 pm
You have a talent for half truths at best - for example Ricky Holmes,you omit any fact which might dilute the effectiveness of your claim. You even fail to mention that RH put in a transfer request. Your take on RH is so misleading is that it equates to 'false information'. Inaccurate comments by you to further your claims on the Clubs status is harmful; harms the Clubs image and more to the point it alienates those whom you wish to influence.
The clubs status is there for all to see when they visit us.. there's no way I or anyone could make it look better, we could try sprinkle a ton of glitter over sixfields to hide its short comings? No thats been done already 😉
Re Ricky... I doubt he left as he was concerned by our meteorical rise up the football league which could see us in the championship where he doesn't want to play so handed in his notice for a transfer?
No..He left for pastures new and a more progressive club..( £350,000 plus 10% sell on if your wondering😉)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 11, 2018, 19:19:40 pm
I and two family members were season ticket holders for over 30 years, but stopped being so 3 years ago, for various reasons. We rarely go nowadays because when we do get the opportunity there are never 3 seats together in the West Stand and rarely 2 together apart from the very front or end rows. Beds is correct, a bigger stadium would increase the number of good seats available for non-season ticket holders and provide the opportunity for all of us to bring along friends, relatives, colleagues and customers when required.

We tried to get an additional season ticket next to our 2 in the West Stand but all were taken except one in front. Almost every game there are up to a dozen seats empty next to us. Does some organisation block book them? Are they kept empty by the club to hand out to people? Always seemed a bit odd.

Its easy to sympathize with you both, but you can get round the situation by ringing the ticket office preferably well before the game which gives the Club better manoeuvrability in resolving any seating problem. It might mean the Club moves you to a nearby location but within ST holders area. Not sure by the way if increasing the Stadium Capacity to accommodate these occasional requests let alone justify it!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters
Post by: everbrite on January 11, 2018, 19:33:39 pm
The clubs status is there for all to see when they visit us.. there's no way I or anyone could make it look better, we could try sprinkle a ton of glitter over sixfields to hide its short comings? No thats been done already 😉
Re Ricky... I doubt he left as he was concerned by our meteorical rise up the football league which could see us in the championship where he doesn't want to play so handed in his notice for a transfer?
No..He left for pastures new and a more progressive club..( £350,000 plus 10% sell on if your wondering😉)

He put in a transfer , apparently he wished to join Charlton his home club to which he lives nearby. The point is you failed to disclose the full story on RH; do you think that was careless of you?  Another thing I think the fee was £160k.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 11, 2018, 21:48:58 pm
  Another thing I think the fee was £160k.
Dont believe what you read on Wiki..
Anybody could have posted that. 
I know, because I posted it.  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters
Post by: everbrite on January 11, 2018, 22:28:55 pm
Dont believe what you read on Wiki..
Anybody could have posted that. 
I know, because I posted it.  ;D

Never use Wiki for info, got pulled up years ago on here by Potato Head.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 12, 2018, 07:12:06 am
Its easy to sympathize with you both, but you can get round the situation by ringing the ticket office preferably well before the game which gives the Club better maneuverability in resolving any seating problem. It might mean the Club moves you to a nearby location but within ST holders area. Not sure by the way if increasing the Stadium Capacity to accommodate these occasional requests let alone justify it!

Really
Or have you just become the new financial director of Northampton ventures ltd?...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 12, 2018, 07:18:27 am
FFS - we all would love a better ground but put simply it is a winning and entertaining side brings in extra punters - sure you want the capacity to house them but this is a medium rather than a short term need.

Players with the entertainment value of Holmes and Pereira will add to the gate - not a thousand extra seats & when I see successive sell outs I will join the expansion now rants.

Pretty much what I've been trying to say, in a much clearer way  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 12, 2018, 07:19:52 am
Really
Or have you just become the new financial director of Northampton ventures ltd?...

Didn't realise you'd lost your job, did they finally realise your numbers never add up?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 12, 2018, 19:00:52 pm
Never use Wiki for info, got pulled up years ago on here by Potato Head.

Im curious. Who is "Potato Head"?  :)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters
Post by: everbrite on January 12, 2018, 21:00:46 pm
Im curious. Who is "Potato Head"?  :)

He gives weekly update on the forthcoming (any) match; generally he is very down beat. Currently residing in USA; thank goodness.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 12, 2018, 21:40:34 pm
He gives weekly update on the forthcoming (any) match; generally he is very down beat. Currently residing in USA; thank goodness.
Interesting Sobriquet that you have chosen.
As an aside, Doc, you go down the Billy a few years back?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 13, 2018, 08:19:29 am
Pretty much what I've been trying to say, in a much clearer way  ;D
As did Kelvin Thomas, not surprisingly.
Just remain as we are in hope we get the team to the top of the league and the glory hunters will flock back again despite how uninspiring and outdated the facilities.
Hoping next time little Sixfields finally buck the trend and gives our club the platform its crying out for.
If that's the wishes of the majority of our supporters then leave things as they are albeit with an east stand fit out subject to the generosity of nbc towards our holding company. 
I know things wont change as most of our fans love Northampton ventures fc more than NTFC and its long term future.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 15, 2018, 12:04:26 pm
Nail on the head there Beds, it's a winning team that gets bums on seats no matter how 'uninspiring' a ground you see it. If the football on offer is not up to it it doesn't matter the surroundings. MK a prime example, even Arsenal are suffering with some attendances despite having what could be argued as the best ground in the country.

You're also missing the point about most fans wanting things left as they are, the majority I know want the club to progress and develop they just aren't as blinkered in their condemnation of the club as you.

For an average league one club we are adequate, a point you clearly disagree with.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 15, 2018, 12:09:51 pm
Is our average crowd up or down on this time last year? Also, what was the average league gate at Sixfields for last season?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2934 on January 15, 2018, 12:20:26 pm
Nail on the head there Beds, it's a winning team that gets bums on seats no matter how 'uninspiring' a ground you see it.

Genuine question, how do you pay for the "winning team"? Through the deep pockets of an individual, holding the club to ransom or through other commercial revenue streams?

So far waiting for a rich man hasn't worked in 50 odd years, what next?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on January 15, 2018, 12:32:25 pm

You're also missing the point about most fans wanting things left as they are, the majority I know want the club to progress and develop they just aren't as blinkered in their condemnation of the club as you.


Beds - this really is the point that so many of us try to tell you - yes we all think Sixfields is poor, just about adequate for now but certainly not the stadium or facilities we need for a brighter future (beyond 10 season in L2 and two in L1 and repeat). So yes we agree with you - you are right.

However despite you theories and ideas on how this brave new world is achieved coupled with (in many people's opinion your unreasonably harsh and sometimes personal criticism of KT), the reality you, me and every other fan who wants the best for our club do not have the means to implement this - simply saying something does not make it happen.

Most of us admire your dedication to the subject and again we agree with the sentiment but you lose credibility with the excessive repetition and the personal (more based on opinion and conjecture) attacks on KT - of course I know on that last point you will feel compelled to list the charge sheet against KT (probably assisted by Random) but it kind of proves my point because it will be the same list you always trot out typically based on conjecture, or a timeline you have decided on  but in reality was never actually promised.

Again I think you are a little disrespectful to the majority of the fans on here - not too many are saying KT is some sort of white knight who has the total interest of the club at heart - I for one am sure his intention is to make some money and certainly his style of communication leaves a lot to be desired but to start labeling him as the same type of character as DC is unreasonable.

I know you truly believe a local consortium of the likes of Stonhill, Binley & Jackson would make the things we all wish happen - but remind yourself of the reason the Stonhill board at the time backed out - they simply didn't have the deep pockets required to support a professional football club.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on January 15, 2018, 12:35:07 pm
Genuine question, how do you pay for the "winning team"? Through the deep pockets of an individual, holding the club to ransom or through other commercial revenue streams?

So far waiting for a rich man hasn't worked in 50 odd years, what next?

In the vast majority of "winning team" cases you need both - I guess in our case we have never executed either very successfully


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 15, 2018, 12:39:00 pm
Is our average crowd up or down on this time last year? Also, what was the average league gate at Sixfields for last season?

Average home total league attendance last season was 6,218
Average home total league attendance so far this season is 5,622 (down 9.6%)

Average home fans attendance last season after 14 games was 5,400
Average home fans attendance this season after 14 games is 4,917   (down 9%)

Average away fans at Sixfields last season 818, this season (so far) 705


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest1269 on January 15, 2018, 12:43:57 pm
Average home league attendance last season was 6,218
Average home league attendance so far this season is 5,622 (down 9.6%)

Average home attendance last season after 14 games was 5,400
Average home attendance this season after 14 games is 4,917   (down 9%)

Average away fans at Sixfields last season 818, this season (so far) 705

Good stats - but before getting too depressed remember first half last season was still the honeymoon period after "that" season - this coupled with the unmitigated s***e we have been served up with this season and 100 less visiting fans I think makes up the reasons.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2934 on January 15, 2018, 12:54:50 pm
In the vast majority of "winning team" cases you need both - I guess in our case we have never executed either very successfully

That does just about sum it up!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Wolvo on January 15, 2018, 12:55:02 pm
I'm anticipating a bit of a bumper crowd this Saturday with about 80/90ish MK fans.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TownOwl on January 15, 2018, 13:23:44 pm
Perfect job for those who moan that we don't make enough commercial revenue. Your opportunity to fix it.  ;D

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2018/january/commercial_executive_jan2018/


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: alstare on January 15, 2018, 13:45:49 pm
Beds - this really is the point that so many of us try to tell you - yes we all think Sixfields is poor, just about adequate for now but certainly not the stadium or facilities we need for a brighter future (beyond 10 season in L2 and two in L1 and repeat). So yes we agree with you - you are right.

However despite you theories and ideas on how this brave new world is achieved coupled with (in many people's opinion your unreasonably harsh and sometimes personal criticism of KT), the reality you, me and every other fan who wants the best for our club do not have the means to implement this - simply saying something does not make it happen.

Most of us admire your dedication to the subject and again we agree with the sentiment but you lose credibility with the excessive repetition and the personal (more based on opinion and conjecture) attacks on KT - of course I know on that last point you will feel compelled to list the charge sheet against KT (probably assisted by Random) but it kind of proves my point because it will be the same list you always trot out typically based on conjecture, or a timeline you have decided on  but in reality was never actually promised.

Again I think you are a little disrespectful to the majority of the fans on here - not too many are saying KT is some sort of white knight who has the total interest of the club at heart - I for one am sure his intention is to make some money and certainly his style of communication leaves a lot to be desired but to start labeling him as the same type of character as DC is unreasonable.

I know you truly believe a local consortium of the likes of Stonhill, Binley & Jackson would make the things we all wish happen - but remind yourself of the reason the Stonhill board at the time backed out - they simply didn't have the deep pockets required to support a professional football club.

Great post - 100% agree


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 15, 2018, 15:55:45 pm
Nail on the head there Beds, it's a winning team that gets bums on seats no matter how 'uninspiring' a ground you see it. If the football on offer is not up to it it doesn't matter the surroundings. MK a prime example, even Arsenal are suffering with some attendances despite having what could be argued as the best ground in the country.

You're also missing the point about most fans wanting things left as they are, the majority I know want the club to progress and develop they just aren't as blinkered in their condemnation of the club as you.

For an average league one club we are adequate, a point you clearly disagree with.
If 5000 turn up regularly, regardless of league position, to such an embarrassing excuse for a professional football stadium that serves as the only league club to a county of 700 thousand,  just imagine had we a complete east stand and an atmospheric newly built 3000 capacity  bank of terracing making  Sixfields a place of local pride and one that attracts and keep new supporters flocking back fortnightly ?

Will it make us super successful...no
Will it be full every game ...no
Will it save us from relegation...no

What it will give us is a platform in which to strive to be the best we can be in a ground that the town and county can be proud of..
How someone who didn't know where Northampton was 3 years ago can now deny its football club a modicum of development just doesn't make any sense.
A handful of boxes is  a positive but needs to be weighed against costs and lack of any other much needed development.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 16, 2018, 06:55:49 am
See this is where you lose it,

A 3000 bank of terracing will not automatically be filled, atmospheric or make Sixfields a place of pride (especially when you have said in the past it should be the away stand)

Plus the fact that the East stand being finished before we start any other work has been conveniently been ignored by you in the past.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 16, 2018, 11:54:41 am
See this is where you lose it,

A 3000 bank of terracing will not automatically be filled, atmospheric or make Sixfields a place of pride (especially when you have said in the past it should be the away stand)

Plus the fact that the East stand being finished before we start any other work has been conveniently been ignored by you in the past.
You talk like you know when the East stand will finally be fitted out...Thomas and co dont even know when lover 2 years  on.
It will all depend on the generosity of the nbc in giving the unconditional generous  land leases and then we can hope what we get for our share will be  worth the wait... I doubt it.
A provisionally shared bank of 3000 terracing  will attract  more home and visitors due to the simple fact we all go to football for A day out, meet with family and friends, have a few beers then  watch our local heros hopefully win in an exciting atmospheric stadium of which most find Sixfields badly lacking.
Would you bri77,  be more likely to visit a professional looking atmospheric stadium than a windswept one that has tiny shed like stands void of atmosphere? Yes you would.
If it were your job to sell ntfc to the next generation  fan base or re engage with those underwhelmed with the Sixfields experience,  Im sure the more professional set up would make life a whole lot easier.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 16, 2018, 13:51:30 pm
You talk like you know when the East stand will finally be fitted out...Thomas and co dont even know when lover 2 years  on.
It will all depend on the generosity of the nbc in giving the unconditional generous  land leases and then we can hope what we get for our share will be  worth the wait... I doubt it.
A provisionally shared bank of 3000 terracing  will attract  more home and visitors due to the simple fact we all go to football for A day out, meet with family and friends, have a few beers then  watch our local heros hopefully win in an exciting atmospheric stadium of which most find Sixfields badly lacking.
Would you bri77,  be more likely to visit a professional looking atmospheric stadium than a windswept one that has tiny shed like stands void of atmosphere? Yes you would.
If it were your job to sell ntfc to the next generation  fan base or re engage with those underwhelmed with the Sixfields experience,  Im sure the more professional set up would make life a whole lot easier.



You always talk about unconditional leases etc, it was my understanding that there were two overlapping leases which was one of the main issues. It will never be worth the wait due to the shambles it was left in but if it's easier for you to vent all your annoyance about it at KT you crack on. The time will come if there is no progress on the East stand KT will need to answer some serious questions and the day is getting closer but it is not quite here yet.

A professional looking atmospheric stadium? This is all subjective and what you and I would consider these things could be completely different. Besides as much as I love away games I am more inclined to be going if the team is doing well, the championship season I missed one away game, this year I have been to 4. The 'professionalism' of the ground is not my deciding factor. I would still go to Stanley, Bristol Rovers, Gillingham, Crawley, etc if the team is on a roll.

Your argument that it would increase crowds is so flawed it's laughable you have no way of knowing this as a fact as it is all opinion based and where has this shared terrace come from it has always been your argument that it is needed for the away stand?

As for re-engaging with fans feeling underwhelmed look at the resistance the safe standing survey received. This would be a much better way of making the ground more professional (my opinion and not fact )
and also wouldn't cause issues in the future if we ever stumbled into the championship.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 16, 2018, 14:48:33 pm
You always talk about unconditional leases etc, it was my understanding that there were two overlapping leases which was one of the main issues. It will never be worth the wait due to the shambles it was left in but if it's easier for you to vent all your annoyance about it at KT you crack on. The time will come if there is no progress on the East stand KT will need to answer some serious questions and the day is getting closer but it is not quite here yet.

A professional looking atmospheric stadium? This is all subjective and what you and I would consider these things could be completely different. Besides as much as I love away games I am more inclined to be going if the team is doing well, the championship season I missed one away game, this year I have been to 4. The 'professionalism' of the ground is not my deciding factor. I would still go to Stanley, Bristol Rovers, Gillingham, Crawley, etc if the team is on a roll.

Your argument that it would increase crowds is so flawed it's laughable you have no way of knowing this as a fact as it is all opinion based and where has this shared terrace come from it has always been your argument that it is needed for the away stand?

As for re-engaging with fans feeling underwhelmed look at the resistance the safe standing survey received. This would be a much better way of making the ground more professional (my opinion and not fact )
and also wouldn't cause issues in the future if we ever stumbled into the championship.
Are you saying we must wait indefinitely before questioning the lack of action on any redev?
You know when the time is right?😂
Its a shame you didn't step in when cardoza strung us out for a decade of inactivity.

What would the following teams do if they found they had less than 6500 seats to sell to their catchment in a very uninspiring ground..oxford luton posh swindon gillingham shrews doncaster brentford watford etc etc.....
One things for sure is they wouldn't piss ball worrying about rectifying the situation like us they would get something done the following summer!
What makes us so unique that we have to  suffer owners who keep our club subjected to zero growth?
When I first saw all those little tit bits being carried out in the name of progress I knew we were ######.
How can we afford all these new signings  when our infrastructure is circa 1996 and hardly any corperate facilities?
We could become  basket cases again that suck up multi millions of unsustainable debts that stop any future progress for the next 2 decades?

As for your preference to old school and non league inadequate grounds like sixfields, thats fine but in this day and age the paying customers want a better match day experience and will choose were they do or dont go.
Sixfields is a turn off for both home and visiting fans despite being in a brilliant location.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: rebelspawn on January 16, 2018, 14:52:37 pm
Are you saying we must wait indefinitely before questioning the lack of action on any redev?
You know when the time is right?😂
Its a shame you didn't step in when cardoza strung us out for a decade of inactivity.

What would the following teams do if they found they had less than 6500 seats to sell to their catchment in a very uninspiring ground..oxford luton posh swindon gillingham shrews doncaster brentford watford etc etc.....
One things for sure is they wouldn't **** ball worrying about rectifying the situation like us they would get something done the following summer!
What makes us so unique that we have to  suffer owners who keep our club subjected to zero growth?
When I first saw all those little tit bits being carried out in the name of progress I knew we were ######.
How can we afford all these new signings  when our infrastructure is circa 1996 and hardly any corperate facilities?
We could become  basket cases again that suck up multi millions of unsustainable debts that stop any future progress for the next 2 decades?

As for your preference to old school and non league inadequate grounds like sixfields, thats fine but in this day and age the paying customers want a better match day experience and will choose were they do or dont go.
Sixfields is a turn off for both home and visiting fans despite being in a brilliant location.


Is your 3000 bank of terracing going to have a roof on Beds, or are you proposing a Gillingham style solution?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 16, 2018, 18:06:00 pm
People have said to me that they would go to watch the Cobblers if we still played at the County Ground or if Sixfields had standing. Others would also go more often if they could get 'good seats' I.e. Near my season ticket or not near the front or stuck in corners. Clearly other clubs that sell out have people sitting at the front or in the corners but our small stands make that option sooner. Also bigger stands, seated or standing would get bigger crowds for the bigger games and successful periods where hopefully many would become regulars. The 2015-16 all-conquering season, our best for 30 years, we were limited to just 5,500 as no East Stand for the majority of the season. The dilapidated but bigger County Ground pulled in 11,000 during the last most successful season back in 1986/87.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 16, 2018, 19:32:31 pm
Is your 3000 bank of terracing going to have a roof on Beds, or are you proposing a Gillingham style solution?
No ground that hosts football in northern europe in winter time should expose  paying customers to the winter elements.
Got to have a roof on it as it also adds to the atmosphere.
We may end up with jack 5hit but knowing what it is that we're missing out on stops the belittling  bull 5hitters in their tracks.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3114 on January 16, 2018, 19:55:44 pm
People have said to me that they would go to watch the Cobblers if we still played at the County Ground or if Sixfields had standing. Others would also go more often if they could get 'good seats' I.e. Near my season ticket or not near the front or stuck in corners. Clearly other clubs that sell out have people sitting at the front or in the corners but our small stands make that option sooner. Also bigger stands, seated or standing would get bigger crowds for the bigger games and successful periods where hopefully many would become regulars. The 2015-16 all-conquering season, our best for 30 years, we were limited to just 5,500 as no East Stand for the majority of the season. The dilapidated but bigger County Ground pulled in 11,000 during the last most successful season back in 1986/87.
It did, Peterborough if I recall and didn’t we build a temporary meccano stand on the cricket side as well for that game? The atmosphere made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up that day. Say what you like about the ground, and many of the comments are valid, but what happens on the pitch will always massively outweigh anything you do off it when it comes to promoting a club to the masses. I actually think the main problem with Sixfields is not the stands but where it’s located. Too hard to get to for many in the town, and many of us said so from day one. Sixfields was built at, well Sixfields, because that was where land was a available as much as anything else? When I was about 14 I’d walk to the county ground. That’s 2 return bus trips for most now? Relocating to the town centre, now that’s progress. I’m losing touch with reality again aren’t I ?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 17, 2018, 06:52:49 am
It did, Peterborough if I recall and didn’t we build a temporary meccano stand on the cricket side as well for that game? The atmosphere made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up that day. Say what you like about the ground, and many of the comments are valid, but what happens on the pitch will always massively outweigh anything you do off it when it comes to promoting a club to the masses. I actually think the main problem with Sixfields is not the stands but where it’s located. Too hard to get to for many in the town, and many of us said so from day one. Sixfields was built at, well Sixfields, because that was where land was a available as much as anything else? When I was about 14 I’d walk to the county ground. That’s 2 return bus trips for most now? Relocating to the town centre, now that’s progress. I’m losing touch with reality again aren’t I ?
you do know Sixfields is twice as close to the town centre than the old county ground?
Its 20 mins brisk walk / 10 mins bus ride from the station and you pass several food outlets and 6 pubs!
Sixfields is in an excellent location with its easy access to the M1 and just off the main ring road.
Its just the embarrasing  inadequacy of the ground thats killing our clubs growth.
It needs sorting.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 17, 2018, 07:25:00 am
you do know Sixfields is twice as close to the town centre than the old county ground?
Its 20 mins brisk walk / 10 mins bus ride from the station and you pass several food outlets and 6 pubs!
Sixfields is in an excellent location with its easy access to the M1 and just off the main ring road.
Its just the embarrasing  inadequacy of the ground thats killing our clubs growth.
It needs sorting.

Where would you call the town centre, the market square? If so I’d say the County Ground is closer.....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 17, 2018, 07:35:50 am
Are you saying we must wait indefinitely before questioning the lack of action on any redev?
You know when the time is right?😂
Its a shame you didn't step in when cardoza strung us out for a decade of inactivity.

What would the following teams do if they found they had less than 6500 seats to sell to their catchment in a very uninspiring ground..oxford luton posh swindon gillingham shrews doncaster brentford watford etc etc.....
One things for sure is they wouldn't **** ball worrying about rectifying the situation like us they would get something done the following summer!
What makes us so unique that we have to  suffer owners who keep our club subjected to zero growth?
When I first saw all those little tit bits being carried out in the name of progress I knew we were ######.
How can we afford all these new signings  when our infrastructure is circa 1996 and hardly any corperate facilities?
We could become  basket cases again that suck up multi millions of unsustainable debts that stop any future progress for the next 2 decades?



As for your preference to old school and non league inadequate grounds like sixfields, thats fine but in this day and age the paying customers want a better match day experience and will choose were they do or dont go.
Sixfields is a turn off for both home and visiting fans despite being in a brilliant location.


See that's where you lose any credibility, calling Sixfields a non league inadequate ground is laughable. Have you been to many matches in the conference / Conference north and south? If you think Sixfields is on a par with the majority of clubs there you have clearly lost the plot.

As for Cardoza, how on earth do you know what I did or didn't do regarding Cardoza, don't make assumptions about me based on your hatred of the club and KT.

Pretty sure I said the time is nearly there for redevelopment questions, how is that waiting indefinitely?

You can repeat your wants about Sixfields all you like but you are so blinkered in your hatred of all things Cobblers you can't accept your 'vision' is not the only way forward.

So at the risk of me repeating myself as much as you, I'll leave you to crack on 'changing the world' from the safety of your keyboard.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: rebelspawn on January 17, 2018, 07:43:41 am
It did, Peterborough if I recall and didn’t we build a temporary meccano stand on the cricket side as well for that game? The atmosphere made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up that day. Say what you like about the ground, and many of the comments are valid, but what happens on the pitch will always massively outweigh anything you do off it when it comes to promoting a club to the masses. I actually think the main problem with Sixfields is not the stands but where it’s located. Too hard to get to for many in the town, and many of us said so from day one. Sixfields was built at, well Sixfields, because that was where land was a available as much as anything else? When I was about 14 I’d walk to the county ground. That’s 2 return bus trips for most now? Relocating to the town centre, now that’s progress. I’m losing touch with reality again aren’t I ?

I disagree with with Beds on pretty much everything, but one thing i agree on that the club need to consider the catchment area as the county and not just the town. We have many fans coming from outside of Northampton itself, not to mention the away fans.

Sixfields is easy to get to by car for the out of Towners, has adequate parking and doesn't take long to get out of after the game (as long as the egg chasers haven't put their traffic management in place). These are all things i think about when deciding whether to attend away grounds also (as well as on the field factors and whether the stand is covered in the middle of winter). Bristol Rovers is a nightmare for away fans because its street parking in highly residential areas. Oxford has ample parking but is an absolute nightmare to get out of afterwards. I honestly believe that we have one of the best grounds for access for both sets of fans.

I am not sure what the train and bus arrangement are like though to be fair. Maybe they could be improved? But i think i town centre relocation would be a bad idea at this point. When you look at the various stadia across the country and how they utilise the land to generate additional revenues, a cramped town centre location with no parking and stand that back onto to peoples gardens offer little potential in this respect.

I despise MK, but i also respect what they have built (in the literal sense, not the football club). The location of sixfields means that we could have done/could do something similar, if and when a decent business case is made to do so. I have yet to see one, and Beds' fag packet calculations don't cut it for me.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 17, 2018, 08:24:18 am
There you go.....
http://democracy.york.gov.uk/documents/s19763/Annex%205%20Community%20Stadium.pdf
Read this and then stop talking bollox.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: rebelspawn on January 17, 2018, 08:45:53 am
There you go.....
http://democracy.york.gov.uk/documents/s19763/Annex%205%20Community%20Stadium.pdf
Read this and then stop talking bollox.


Is that aimed at me?

I have read it. can you tell me which part of what i say is bollox? It seems to agree with the first part of my post entirely. It does not contain a business case for NTFC based on the current shell of an east stand and the current lease constraints. Hence the second part of my comment.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on January 17, 2018, 08:58:56 am
People have said to me that they would go to watch the Cobblers if we still played at the County Ground or if Sixfields had standing. Others would also go more often if they could get 'good seats' I.e. Near my season ticket or not near the front or stuck in corners. Clearly other clubs that sell out have people sitting at the front or in the corners but our small stands make that option sooner. Also bigger stands, seated or standing would get bigger crowds for the bigger games and successful periods where hopefully many would become regulars. The 2015-16 all-conquering season, our best for 30 years, we were limited to just 5,500 as no East Stand for the majority of the season. The dilapidated but bigger County Ground pulled in 11,000 during the last most successful season back in 1986/87.
Sorry to p*ss on your bonfire, Lee, but during the successful 1986-87 season I think we had only one attendance of 11,000. That was the Cardiff game on the 28th December 1986. A lot of the attendances that season were pretty average but increased as the season progressed. Mainly 5000, 6000, 7000 gates.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 17, 2018, 10:12:39 am
See that's where you lose any credibility, calling Sixfields a non league inadequate ground is laughable. Have you been to many matches in the conference / Conference north and south? If you think Sixfields is on a par with the majority of clubs there you have clearly lost the plot.

As for Cardoza, how on earth do you know what I did or didn't do regarding Cardoza, don't make assumptions about me based on your hatred of the club and KT.

Pretty sure I said the time is nearly there for redevelopment questions, how is that waiting indefinitely?

You can repeat your wants about Sixfields all you like but you are so blinkered in your hatred of all things Cobblers you can't accept your 'vision' is not the only way forward.

So at the risk of me repeating myself as much as you, I'll leave you to crack on 'changing the world' from the safety of your keyboard.
So your defence is that Sixfields is not  a 5hite as the smaller towns amateur  non league  grounds so we need not worry?
Yes you get on with some work😂😂


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 17, 2018, 11:08:58 am
Sorry to p*ss on your bonfire, Lee, but during the successful 1986-87 season I think we had only one attendance of 11,000. That was the Cardiff game on the 28th December 1986. A lot of the attendances that season were pretty average but increased as the season progressed. Mainly 5000, 6000, 7000 gates.

The gates started off low, increased a lot up to Christmas/New Year when that 11,138 against Cardiff was achieved. Gates fell away as we weren't getting so many good results in the second half of the season. Indeed the league game after we took 3000 to Newcastle for the cup game was only 5,500 against Rochdale.

Gates picked up again towards the end of the season, but the final game against Crewe attracted just short of 9,000. There was also a 10,600 gate for the Southend Cup replay, but in the main it was as you said above.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on January 17, 2018, 13:31:05 pm
Is that aimed at me?

I have read it. can you tell me which part of what i say is bollox? It seems to agree with the first part of my post entirely. It does not contain a business case for NTFC based on the current shell of an east stand and the current lease constraints. Hence the second part of my comment.
No it wasn't, but I would like to know what the lease constraints are that you mention and how that would prohibit the type of business case in the example from PNE, care to enlighten me?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: rebelspawn on January 17, 2018, 14:32:51 pm
No it wasn't, but I would like to know what the lease constraints are that you mention and how that would prohibit the type of business case in the example from PNE, care to enlighten me?

I don't know the specifics about the lease situation but i have heard rumours ranging from '2 leases for the land' to 'the lease doesnt enable adequate access to the stand to meet regulations'

The PNE example is an interesting one, as are all of them. It has £26 million price tag and does not detail how the initial capital was raised or what the increased revenue per annum was. No mention of return on invest or payback period. EDIT - i do see there some numbers and breakdowns later on the document, but they are not comprehensive and state a 25 year payback period.

You can't even begin to put together a business case for NTFC without those key pieces of information.

My original post was about how cramped town centre stadiums are not the way forward (in response to Melbourne suggesting we move to the town centre - albeit tongue in cheek - i think). Look at the use of space in each of those examples in the document and it only proves my original point. Office space, Gym space, conference facilities, accommodation. they all benefit from significant parking and reasonable space around the perimeter of the stadium.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Rach on January 17, 2018, 16:49:04 pm
I think greyfriars would be perfect for a new stadium 👌


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: bri77 on January 17, 2018, 17:44:11 pm
I think greyfriars would be perfect for a new stadium 👌

Bit of turf in the middle and just let everyone stand round the edges, would be atmospheric enough to get 12k fans there  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: andycobbler on January 17, 2018, 18:00:51 pm
Sorry to p*ss on your bonfire, Lee, but during the successful 1986-87 season I think we had only one attendance of 11,000. That was the Cardiff game on the 28th December 1986. A lot of the attendances that season were pretty average but increased as the season progressed. Mainly 5000, 6000, 7000 gates.

The actual gates from that season were very different and a lot higher from the announced gates (as they were at many clubs back then). Remember the gate clickers who used to count us in because the gate counters didn't work and very handily missed quite a few, say no more ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 17, 2018, 19:20:53 pm
Remember the gate clickers who used to count us in because the gate counters didn't work and very handily missed quite a few, say no more ;)
I seem to recall that a couple of turnstile operatives also noticed that the gate counters didnt work.. say no more. ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: wrigleys on January 17, 2018, 19:40:40 pm
Anyone with any knowledge of Cobblers history knows that the original true Cobblers supporters come from the Kingsley/Kingsthorpe areas - hence our original nickname the "K Boys."

The rest of you should fck off and support Sileby, Dons or watch the rugby, you inbred utter wnkrs


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 17, 2018, 19:49:25 pm
The actual gates from that season were very different and a lot higher from the announced gates (as they were at many clubs back then). Remember the gate clickers who used to count us in because the gate counters didn't work and very handily missed quite a few, say no more ;)

This is true. I knew people in the club back then, and there were 13,600 odd vs Cardiff, and well over 12,000 against Crewe.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: andycobbler on January 17, 2018, 19:53:56 pm
This is true. I knew people in the club back then, and there were 13,600 odd vs Cardiff, and well over 12,000 against Crewe.

I was also told many years later (by a very reliable source) that figures were reduced/doctored because of the club's fire certificate :o


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: #Frank on January 17, 2018, 20:01:50 pm
Anyone with any knowledge of Cobblers history knows that the original true Cobblers supporters come from the Kingsley/Kingsthorpe areas - hence our original nickname the "K Boys."

The rest of you should fck off and support Sileby, Dons or watch the rugby, you inbred utter wnkrs

Aren't you from Semilong? I am sure I have seen you there on the street corners.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2995 on January 17, 2018, 20:23:03 pm
This is true. I knew people in the club back then, and there were 13,600 odd vs Cardiff, and well over 12,000 against Crewe.
And “other” reasons I’m sure ...
Nice to fondly look back at such things but subsequent football ground disasters show such as actions as being tantamount to manslaughter


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 17, 2018, 21:16:43 pm
Sorry to p*ss on your bonfire, Lee, but during the successful 1986-87 season I think we had only one attendance of 11,000. That was the Cardiff game on the 28th December 1986. A lot of the attendances that season were pretty average but increased as the season progressed. Mainly 5000, 6000, 7000 gates.
Yeah I know there was only one 11,000 gate plus the 10,000 cup gate and the 9,000 for the Crewe game and an 8,000 v Colchester with the average 'only' around 6,500. But we cannot pull in any of those sized crowds now, all other League One clubs could (except Wimbledon). Last season we averaged over 6,000 and that's without the bigger crowds like back in the day to swell the averages. We couldn't capitalise on that Wilder Championship season further due to the restricted capacity which is a damn shame.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3114 on January 17, 2018, 21:55:50 pm
Anyone with any knowledge of Cobblers history knows that the original true Cobblers supporters come from the Kingsley/Kingsthorpe areas - hence our original nickname the "K Boys."

The rest of you should fck off and support Sileby, Dons or watch the rugby, you inbred utter wnkrs
This will cheer you up Wriggers, this means I’m in the gang! I’ve never been accepted into a social group before, I’m filling up. It also means I won’t be forced to partake in the other activities as you demanded, what a relief!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3114 on January 17, 2018, 22:27:32 pm
you do know Sixfields is twice as close to the town centre than the old county ground?
Its 20 mins brisk walk / 10 mins bus ride from the station and you pass several food outlets and 6 pubs!
Sixfields is in an excellent location with its easy access to the M1 and just off the main ring road.
Its just the embarrasing  inadequacy of the ground thats killing our clubs growth.
It needs sorting.
it probably is, but I wouldn’t build it in Abington Avenue either. I was just pointing out that accessibility seemingly encourages attendance especially from an impulse perspective. As some have said it wouldn’t help those that travel from out of town but it would really depend on the support ratio of those outside and inside the town and the likely impact of location change on each group. Arguably the out of town support are going to considerable effort anyway and are motivated enough to consider the town centre a minor inconvenience. Alternatively, increased accessibility for the more local but less motivated potential support would be increased? I’m just talking off my head, the truth is when you are contemplating spending millions on anything you dont guess, you need to know. That means a hefty research and due diligence bill with every option considered and evaluated prior to implementation. Just like NBC did with the loan? Probably also explains the timelapse with the East Stand, if people are doing their jobs properly.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 20, 2018, 20:25:00 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                                     Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 15 home league games       2016/17  80,973     Ave 5398        2017/18  74,858    4990      -7.56%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 05, 2018, 12:10:23 pm
The gap between last season and this closed significantly this week. The average number of home fans for league games passed 5000, and the 16th game, this season on a Saturday was up against the Swindon game played on a Tuesday last season.
The 17th last season was a home game with Oldham on a Tuesday night which produced our lowest number of home fans for any league game. That will be up against a home game against the Gills next week....interesting to see how they compare.

2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                                     Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                                    Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 16 home league games       2016/17  85,644     Ave 5353        2017/18  80,119    5007      -6.46%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 05, 2018, 18:14:03 pm
More home fans for a game against Rochdale than ex-Premier League champions Blackburn. Interesting that. I would never have predicted that at the start of the season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 05, 2018, 20:02:46 pm
More home fans for a game against Rochdale than ex-Premier League champions Blackburn. Interesting that. I would never have predicted that at the start of the season.

Rollover from the Plastics game?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 06, 2018, 11:13:13 am
The latest attendance stats for the EFL: https://reeshowls.wordpress.com/2018/02/06/efl-away-attendances-part-3/
Hopefully our away average will increase following this weekend if we sell the remaining 200 tickets...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2995 on February 06, 2018, 12:14:11 pm
Sadly home gates will tumble after that tripe on Saturday .
I brought 3 new people up on Saturday and they won’t be coming back in a hurry !
Such is the lot of a Cobblers supporter


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: just.reading on February 06, 2018, 13:11:09 pm
The latest attendance stats for the EFL: https://reeshowls.wordpress.com/2018/02/06/efl-away-attendances-part-3/
Hopefully our away average will increase following this weekend if we sell the remaining 200 tickets...

Despite Peterborough's stadium being twice our size, pushing for the playoffs and have scored 65% more goals than us (more entertaining?) they only average 100 more home fans than us each game.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 06, 2018, 18:22:38 pm
Sadly home gates will tumble after that tripe on Saturday .
I brought 3 new people up on Saturday and they won’t be coming back in a hurry !
Such is the lot of a Cobblers supporter

The 3 new people I took to the MK game really enjoyed the game and atmosphere and will be back - thankfully they didn't go to the Rochdale game. It's always a gamble when you take someone new to the Cobblers. Either hooked for life or put off football forever!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 13, 2018, 21:43:32 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                                     Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                                    Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                                    Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 17 home league games       2016/17  90,073     Ave 5298        2017/18  84,823    4990      -5.81%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2487 on February 13, 2018, 21:48:58 pm
The good news is for the last three Tuesday league games we've gained 1 extra fan each time.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 13, 2018, 21:50:07 pm
Not a bad turnout for a cold Tuesday night. Half term maybe had an effect? Pity the fayre on offer was dire.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 13, 2018, 22:00:38 pm
The good news is for the last three Tuesday league games we've gained 1 extra fan each time.

Lol, good spot.....its almost as if there is a bit of book cooking going on!!

I don't think there were anywhere near 5000 there today......the East had no more than 300 in, so thats almost 1700 empty seats for a start......and there were over 500 empties in the away end.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 24, 2018, 16:56:13 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                                     Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                                    Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                                    Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                                    Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 18 home league games       2016/17  95,767     Ave 5320       2017/18  90,474    5026      -5.53%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 17, 2018, 17:54:17 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                                     Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                                    Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                                    Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                                    Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                                   Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 19 home league games       2016/17  100,331    Ave 5281       2017/18  95,227    5012      -5.09%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 17, 2018, 17:58:46 pm
I think we'll see a seasons low on Tuesday. I'll be there but I don't really want to. Somehow we all need the summon up the enthusiasm.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: paul thompson is on March 17, 2018, 18:20:30 pm
If you want to see how a team plays attacking football,
be there on Tuesday and watch the massacre,

Salop 10 can't can't nil


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 20, 2018, 23:43:16 pm
The lowest home crowd since October 2015 puts a dent in the figures.....it was up against the home game with Oxford as the 20th game of the season.

2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                                     Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                                    Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                                    Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                                    Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                                   Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                                   Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 20 home league games       2016/17  106,366    Ave 5318         2017/18  99,400    4970      -6.54%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 21, 2018, 22:02:43 pm
Lowest home crowd (League) since our return to League One. Hardly surprising but probably the most passionate and hard-working performances and best atmosphere of the lot. Interesting!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 27, 2018, 19:31:20 pm
The latest version of the attendance statistics:

https://reeshowls.wordpress.com/2018/03/22/efl-attendances-part-5/


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: maidstone cobbler on March 29, 2018, 08:15:56 am
Looks as tho' we'll be moving up to Northants later in the year  :)
What can any of you say that will make me want to buy a season ticket for next year??? ::)
Come on, try and persuade me.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 29, 2018, 08:19:59 am
Looks as tho' we'll be moving up to Northants later in the year  :)
What can any of you say that will make me want to buy a season ticket for next year??? ::)
Come on, try and persuade me.

One for you Frank?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Snow Dive Larry on March 29, 2018, 09:22:25 am
Looks as tho' we'll be moving up to Northants later in the year  :)
What can any of you say that will make me want to buy a season ticket for next year??? ::)
Come on, try and persuade me.

I'll buy you a beer on the opening day  ;D



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 29, 2018, 15:02:28 pm
Looks as tho' we'll be moving up to Northants later in the year  :)
What can any of you say that will make me want to buy a season ticket for next year??? ::)
Come on, try and persuade me.

Didn't we have a similar one recently?
Can someone provide the link?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 30, 2018, 18:16:46 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                                     Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                                    Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                                    Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                                    Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                                   Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                                   Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                                    Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 21 home league games       2016/17  112,335    Ave 5349        2017/18  104,608    4981      -6.88%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: maidstone cobbler on April 03, 2018, 08:16:35 am
Snow dive Larry, that looks about the best reason I've heard! Mind you, a new manager, League two, where we might score some goals, could (?) be a better season next year.   :)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 21, 2018, 16:52:26 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                                     Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                                    Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                                    Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                                    Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                                   Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                                   Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                                    Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                                     Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 22 home league games       2016/17  117,870    Ave 5358        2017/18  110,024    5001      -6.66%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on May 05, 2018, 19:14:48 pm
2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                                     Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                                    Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                                    Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                                    Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                                   Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                                   Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                                    Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                                     Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                                   May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average          2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385        2017/18  115,082    5004      -7.08%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Charlatan on May 06, 2018, 10:59:12 am
Thanks for doing this GPC. Considering it was such a bad season I don't suppose a 5k average of home fans was too bad.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 06, 2018, 15:27:10 pm
4065 - 2014 L2 21st
4214 - 2015 L2 12th
4790 - 2016 L2 Champions
5385 - 2017 L1 16th
5004 - 2018 L1 22nd


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on May 06, 2018, 16:55:57 pm
Has anybody got the overall average home league attendance, including away fans? Last season was our highest average for 20 years, just wondering how we compared this season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Buster on May 06, 2018, 17:11:04 pm
Has anybody got the overall average home league attendance, including away fans? Last season was our highest average for 20 years, just wondering how we compared this season.

We averaged 5,830 over the season (14th - just above the Posh)

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-one/attendances



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 11, 2018, 07:09:20 am
https://reeshowls.wordpress.com/2018/05/10/efl-attendances-final-blog-2017-18/

The final attendances blog for the 2017-18 season...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 11, 2018, 12:25:55 pm
https://reeshowls.wordpress.com/2018/05/10/efl-attendances-final-blog-2017-18/

The final attendances blog for the 2017-18 season...

Lincoln have a very good away following.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: TownOwl on May 11, 2018, 12:47:15 pm
Good to see us above p*sh in the league. And I see MK continue to have an utterly embarrassing away following.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 06, 2018, 12:39:12 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln    - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    4,789     Ave 4789   -4.3%     


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 18, 2018, 16:22:38 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln    - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    9,184     Ave 4592   -8.23%   


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 01, 2018, 17:05:39 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln    - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    13,409     Ave 4470   -10.67%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Grove on September 02, 2018, 11:59:27 am
 :o 600 down on last year already crikey that's not good


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 02, 2018, 14:04:41 pm
And crowds falling each game so far this season....better football doesn’t always equal better crowds.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3063 on September 02, 2018, 14:44:07 pm
And crowds falling each game so far this season....better football doesn’t always equal better crowds.

That's because many neutrals will look at a few things before going to a game.

1/ standard of opposition
2/ yes, recent results
3/ and yes, position in the league

It is expensive to watch football, but as a season ticket holder I know entertaining football is important to me. I also want wins and to be at the top of the table - not much to ask  ;D

If the team were 18th but playing like last season, I wouldn't be happy. But what I can see is a team on the front foot attempting to win games this gives me hope that things will change at some point.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 02, 2018, 15:26:54 pm
That's because many neutrals will look at a few things before going to a game.

1/ standard of opposition
2/ yes, recent results
4/ and yes, position in the league

It is expensive to watch football, but as a season ticket holder I know entertaining football is important to me. I also want wins and to be at the top of the table - not much to ask  ;D

If the team were 18th but playing like last season, I wouldn't be happy. But what I can see is a team on the front foot attempting to win games this gives me hope that things will change at some point.

Very true.....

The standard of our opposition is always going to be pretty poor this season.....getting the waverers off their bums to pay £22 or £24 to see us play Cheltenham is a difficult task!

The season ticket holders will be there regardless, but anyone looking at our league position and the fact we haven't won a game at home this season, haven't kept a clean sheet in any game home or away, and still with a fair bit of negative publicity in the air surrounding the club, all of that will outweigh the "more attractive" football on offer.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3063 on September 02, 2018, 15:41:39 pm
That's because many neutrals will look at a few things before going to a game.

1/ standard of opposition
2/ yes, recent results
3/ and yes, position in the league

It is expensive to watch football, but as a season ticket holder I know entertaining football is important to me. I also want wins and to be at the top of the table - not much to ask  ;D

If the team were 18th but playing like last season, I wouldn't be happy. But what I can see is a team on the front foot attempting to win games this gives me hope that things will change at some point.


I don't know why I used the word 'neutrals'. What I should have said is non season ticket holder/casual fan.     


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on September 02, 2018, 16:01:12 pm
To be fair, just from our brigade/circle, three or four on holiday. Always think it sounds a bit of an excuse, but multiply around our fanbase and reckon could account for half the 600 at least.

Having said that, I won't be going to the home game against Cheltenham next Saturday...sorry!  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Dan on September 02, 2018, 16:19:23 pm
7 of us season ticket holders are off to Wembley next week too  ;D Guess we can do a Bradford and include our sales in the attendance though  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 02, 2018, 16:22:22 pm
Pretty much comparable dates for the first three home league games of the season......(holidays, lack of schoolkids etc)

5053 home fans per game average 2016/17
5135 home fans per game average 2017/18
4470 home fans per game average 2018/19

Relegation seems to have cost us about 10% of our fans.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on September 02, 2018, 18:06:42 pm
7 of us season ticket holders are off to Wembley next week too  ;D Guess we can do a Bradford and include our sales in the attendance though  ;)
I'm not going to Wembley...I'm off to Slough!  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 02, 2018, 18:28:27 pm
That's because many neutrals will look at a few things before going to a game.

1/ standard of opposition
2/ yes, recent results
3/ and yes, position in the league


You can add to this..
4/Price (£24) of watching 4th division football against many traditional small non league teams, doesn't make us an attractive option.
5/ The quality and professional outlook of the stadium, being non league looking does little to attract new and lapsed supporters which affects the big match atmosphere that attract fans, also lacking a large welcoming supporters bar selling food and beverages etc is something needed for cold tuesday night's.
6/ Lack of direction from the clubs owners these past 3 years, we have no future plans in which our support base can engage and get involved with,
thus giving fans an excuse not to turn up, if they dont give a s*** why should l..
Basically as we have been these last 50 years😂


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on September 02, 2018, 19:05:58 pm
After reading the stuff on here it's amazing anyone bothers to turn up.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on September 02, 2018, 19:54:14 pm
You can add to this..
4/Price (£24) of watching 4th division football against many traditional small non league teams, doesn't make us an attractive option.
5/ The quality and professional outlook of the stadium, being non league looking does little to attract new and lapsed supporters which affects the big match atmosphere that attract fans, also lacking a large welcoming supporters bar selling food and beverages etc is something needed for cold tuesday night's.
6/ Lack of direction from the clubs owners these past 3 years, we have no future plans in which our support base can engage and get involved with,
thus giving fans an excuse not to turn up, if they dont give a **** why should l..
Basically as we have been these last 50 years😂


I bet you were at the Sack and Fall of Constantinople in 1453 - as a prophet of doom of course.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on September 02, 2018, 20:17:57 pm
You can add to this..
4/Price (£24) of watching 4th division football against many traditional small non league teams, doesn't make us an attractive option.
5/ The quality and professional outlook of the stadium, being non league looking does little to attract new and lapsed supporters which affects the big match atmosphere that attract fans, also lacking a large welcoming supporters bar selling food and beverages etc is something needed for cold tuesday night's.
6/ Lack of direction from the clubs owners these past 3 years, we have no future plans in which our support base can engage and get involved with,
thus giving fans an excuse not to turn up, if they dont give a **** why should l..
Basically as we have been these last 50 years😂

You had to get 6 in!  ;D

"Dad, can we go and watch the Cobblers on Sat?"
"No, I don't like the lack of direction from the owners"
"Who are the owners dad?"
"Dunno, Eric Northover I think. Enough of the questions...get upstairs and do your homework"

Behave Beds!  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest47 on September 02, 2018, 21:11:59 pm

"Who are the owners dad?"
"Dunno, Eric Northover I think.


 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 02, 2018, 21:19:07 pm
Saturday vs Cheltenham will see the lowest Saturday attendance for some years. Schools only going back this week so probably too soon to arrange big groups to fill out the East Stand, our league position isn't good and the non-league sounding opposition won't attract the floaters or fill the South Stand. Could be looking at 4,500 max. This despite the fact that our football is more pleasing on the eye and we are due to give somebody a mauling. KT was right, we don't need to expand the capacity.........


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 03, 2018, 05:12:04 am
KT was right, we don't need to expand the capacity.........
He must've  had great foresight and knew we would return to being a struggling  L2 side for the next decade,  playing against little previously non league teams.
And he also knew he wouldn't be hanging around to witness it.
Marvellous 😂😂


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: meccanostand on September 03, 2018, 06:21:13 am
You can add to this..
4/Price (£24) of watching 4th division football against many traditional small non league teams, doesn't make us an attractive option.
5/ The quality and professional outlook of the stadium, being non league looking does little to attract new and lapsed supporters which affects the big match atmosphere that attract fans, also lacking a large welcoming supporters bar selling food and beverages etc is something needed for cold tuesday night's.
6/ Lack of direction from the clubs owners these past 3 years, we have no future plans in which our support base can engage and get involved with,
thus giving fans an excuse not to turn up, if they dont give a **** why should l..
Basically as we have been these last 50 years😂


What would you do to get attendances up? Bit of a difficult one with the economy as it is.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 03, 2018, 06:46:22 am
What would you do to get attendances up? Bit of a difficult one with the economy as it is.
Any major efforts in attempting to attract new supporters to little antiquated Sixfields as it is, is futile  its quite an embarrassment to the town and doesn't lend itself to civic pride and for locals to want to be feel apart of it.
The only way to reverse the decline is to have a working redevelopment plan in progress that involves capturing the intrests of whole town and catchment making them feel part of what is being proposed, timelines, dead lines, gaining investment, sponsorship etc.
The trust could collect ideas from the support base as to what we want to see happen to the ground, take a vote on the best workable suggestions  and put it into practice with hopefully new owners who are happy to work with the supporters to get things done right.
Just about polar opposite of how we are now.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 03, 2018, 07:57:01 am
Any major efforts in attempting to attract new supporters to little antiquated Sixfields as it is, is futile  its quite an embarrassment to the town and doesn't lend itself to civic pride and for locals to want to be feel apart of it.
The only way to reverse the decline is to have a working redevelopment plan in progress that involves capturing the intrests of whole town and catchment making them feel part of what is being proposed, timelines, dead lines, gaining investment, sponsorship etc.
The trust could collect ideas from the support base as to what we want to see happen to the ground, take a vote on the best workable suggestions  and put it into practice with hopefully new owners who are happy to work with the supporters to get things done right.
Just about polar opposite of how we are now.

Are you as boring in real life, or is this your real life?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3230 on September 03, 2018, 12:28:38 pm
My real concern for Beds is when the stadium is sorted one way or the other,  what's he going to do with his life?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ron Obvious on September 03, 2018, 12:53:46 pm
My real concern for Beds is when the stadium is sorted one way or the other,  what's he going to do with his life?


Go back to supporting Luton?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The Rauldinho on September 03, 2018, 13:12:08 pm
Go back to supporting Luton?

 ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 03, 2018, 13:36:11 pm
Not feeling the love on here today, after all I do you for guys in the hunt for truth and justice.🤔😎


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on September 03, 2018, 13:44:18 pm
You guys


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 03, 2018, 13:47:57 pm
How is the "Kohlerdome" coming along Beds?  ;) ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ron Obvious on September 03, 2018, 13:50:44 pm
Not feeling the love on here today, after all I do you for guys in the hunt for truth and justice.🤔😎

I would like to fully state my position in a clear and concise manner on the above.

You do absolutely nothing for me and never will. You don't speak, think or act for me in any fashion at any time in the past present or future.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 03, 2018, 15:31:35 pm
I would like to fully state my position in a clear and concise manner on the above.

You do absolutely nothing for me and never will. You don't speak, think or act for me in any fashion at any time in the past present or future.
so why do you keep replying 😂
You need me in your life😗


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ron Obvious on September 03, 2018, 16:25:56 pm
so why do you keep replying 😂
You need me in your life😗

1.I want to.
2.It's OK as I already know enough Luton fans, one.(more than enough)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3114 on September 03, 2018, 21:42:38 pm
1.I want to.
2.It's OK as I already know enough Luton fans, one.(more than enough)
Dont be too hard on him Ron, your consultancy days should tell you that Beds only real problem is is thinking solely with the heart and never with the head? That’s emotion for you.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 03, 2018, 21:46:24 pm
We missed an opportunity to increase the fan base by not having a big enough to capacity to capitalise on the 2016 league title success. We went 31 games unbeaten in the end. But because of our limited income streams we couldn't keep hold of our manager or better players. And then the rot creeps in and we end up back to where we always do, playing these small, less attractive clubs.
Win a few games and the numbers will rise a bit but there is a feeling of apathy around with no motivation from our chairman to get people up there to share in his vision -because we don't know what it is.
I'm a season ticket holder, been a regular for 32 years and enjoyed what I witnessed on Saturday but trying to talk the floaters back isn't easy.


Title: Re: Disappearing Floaters?
Post by: Ron Obvious on September 03, 2018, 23:05:46 pm
been regular for 32 years and enjoyed what I witnessed on Saturday but trying to talk the floaters back isn't easy.

I stab at them with the brush.


Title: Re: Disappearing Floaters?
Post by: Dr Feelgood on September 04, 2018, 05:19:27 am
I stab at them with the brush.
i leave floaters for someone else to deal with.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: meccanostand on September 04, 2018, 07:13:05 am
A terrace/safe standing area and under £20 a ticket wouldn't go amiss.  £24 is prohibitively expensive.

Not sure if the club has employees dedicated to growing the custom base but that might prove fruitful given the expansion of the town.

Remember under Cardoza Stagecoach buses did a £1 day rider ticket to the ground which is a good idea. Ideally you'd offer a couple of shuttle buses to and from the town centre.

The matchday experience is actually pretty good now and the club has put work in on that. Just need to get new punters in and retain them.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on September 04, 2018, 08:28:18 am
A terrace/safe standing area and under £20 a ticket wouldn't go amiss.  £24 is prohibitively expensive.

Not sure if the club has employees dedicated to growing the custom base but that might prove fruitful given the expansion of the town.

Remember under Cardoza Stagecoach buses did a £1 day rider ticket to the ground which is a good idea. Ideally you'd offer a couple of shuttle buses to and from the town centre.

The matchday experience is actually pretty good now and the club has put work in on that. Just need to get new punters in and retain them.


we dont think twice about paying £35 a ticket for a show/play at the Dergate or Royal theatre but would be shocked if that was charged at the church/scout hall.. and tgat is whats happening here, Sixfields  is too small and un atmospheric to charge top dollar, it needs to look more professional, which is why the tiny stands must never be converted to standing to avoid any redevelopment as Thomas was probably  hoping.


Title: Re: Disappearing Floaters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 04, 2018, 17:34:20 pm
I stab at them with the brush.

 ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 04, 2018, 19:55:13 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln    - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe - 897 - Tue (CHK)
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    13,409     Ave 4470   -10.67%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on September 04, 2018, 20:19:23 pm
we dont think twice about paying £35 a ticket for a show/play at the Dergate or Royal theatre but would be shocked if that was charged at the church/scout hall.. and tgat is whats happening here, Sixfields  is too small and un atmospheric to charge top dollar, it needs to look more professional, which is why the tiny stands must never be converted to standing to avoid any redevelopment as Thomas was probably  hoping.

A match ticket on the day of the game is £24. That's twenty four pounds for division 4 football. That's top dollar for the level of football we are plying our trade at.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 04, 2018, 20:40:59 pm
Plus we've only won 1 home game since January......that's 1 win in the last 12 home games, with us failing to score in half of them.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on September 04, 2018, 20:42:54 pm
Plus we've only won 1 home game since January......that's 1 win in the last 12 home games, with us failing to score in half of them.

Wow - I did not realise it was that bad.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on September 04, 2018, 21:26:43 pm
 ;D one win in nearly a year, under promise and over deliver.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Shoemaker on September 05, 2018, 07:18:46 am
Il be back at sixfields when the stadium is finally redeveloped.
I had enough of the same old,same old and decided to see if anything will actually happen this season as it hadn’t in the past few.
I’m no more confident about the redevelopment now than I was in June when I decided enough was enough.
I’m sure I’m not the only one whose come to the conclusion that actions speak louder than words and are waiting to see those actions before returning to the shiny new PTS academy super stadium.

As an aside the owner taplin of billericay has resigned(I’m sure he’d love a league club to own.....)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 08, 2018, 15:49:56 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln    - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    17,794     Ave 4449   -11.09%


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Aitobs on September 08, 2018, 17:29:34 pm
Tuesday's game against Wycombe seems to have disappeared from this season's attendances list.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 08, 2018, 21:46:05 pm
Surprised to see an increase from the Tranmere game today and only just short of the Cambridge figure. More school kids in the East I guess.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 08, 2018, 22:16:34 pm
Pretty much comparable dates for the first four home league games of the season......(holidays, lack of schoolkids etc)

Total 20,095       5024 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 20,108       5027 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 17,794       4449 home fans per game average 2018/19

Relegation seems to have cost us about 11.5% of our fans.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 22, 2018, 16:11:10 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln    - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    22,089     Ave 4418   -11.71%

retty much comparable dates for the first FIVE home league games of the season......(holidays, lack of schoolkids etc)

Total 25,463       5093 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 25,318       5064 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 22,089       4418 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 23, 2018, 07:27:51 am
Bury up next on a Tuesday night. The first sub-4000 home League crowd in years I would expect. In fact it could well fall below 4,000 including away fans.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 03, 2018, 09:22:22 am
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln    - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    25,592     Ave 4332   -13.43%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first SIX home league games of the season

Total 31,108       5185 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 30,398       5066 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 25,592       4332 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2995 on October 03, 2018, 10:02:16 am
Awful atmosphere and terrible game .
Reminded me of the old days before we all became deluded .
Great to see the makers name on the ball being blasted off with some proper hoofing straight up into the air and then seeing it bounce uncontrollably .


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 13, 2018, 15:09:24 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln    - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    25,592     Ave 4347   -13.13%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first SEVEN home league games of the season

Total 36,997       5285 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 35,203       5029 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 30,431       4347 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 13, 2018, 15:42:13 pm
Biggest home crowd of the season...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on October 13, 2018, 21:22:47 pm
Biggest home crowd of the season...

Against probably the least attractive opposition and a clash with the Saints.
The Keith Curle effect?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on October 13, 2018, 21:51:32 pm
.................................and a clash with the Saints.

Who incidentally were thrashed today by Clermont


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 27, 2018, 16:15:32 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln    - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath. - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    34,847     Ave 4356   -12.95%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first EIGHT home league games of the season

Total 42,454       5307 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 40,045       5006 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 34,847       4356 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on October 28, 2018, 08:38:57 am
Disappointingly 400 down on last home game despite the upturn in form. End of half term maybe a reason with people away and also less in the East Stand, again maybe a schools thing. Hopefully we will see a few return next week despite the opposition hardly being attractive.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 03, 2018, 20:02:42 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    44,475     Ave 4447   -11.13%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first TEN home league games of the season

Total 54,421       5442 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 49,560       4956 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 44,475       4447 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 15, 2018, 16:06:30 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    44,475     Ave 4445   -11.17%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first ELEVEN home league games of the season

Total 59,407       5401 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 54.221       4929 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 48,891       4445 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Charlatan on December 16, 2018, 18:07:47 pm
Thanks GPC. Decent home turn out on such an awful day.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on December 17, 2018, 21:34:35 pm
Next two home games should see a sizeable increase in attendance. Swindon on Boxing Day may see an extra 600-700 home fans plus 800-900 away so a near 6,000 gate which should then increase further towards the 6,500 mark against MK.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2018, 10:06:23 am
Next two home games should see a sizeable increase in attendance. Swindon on Boxing Day may see an extra 600-700 home fans plus 800-900 away so a near 6,000 gate which should then increase further towards the 6,500 mark against MK.

Any ideas on the odds for a vV Hat Trick v MKDons or even Swindon?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 18, 2018, 13:39:11 pm
Next two home games should see a sizeable increase in attendance. Swindon on Boxing Day may see an extra 600-700 home fans plus 800-900 away so a near 6,000 gate which should then increase further towards the 6,500 mark against MK.

Hopefully so!

Noticable we haven't had 5000 home fans for any game yet this season, we reached that mark 11 times last season and 15 times the season before (out of 23 league games)

Got to hold on to those extra fans....as the two home games against Carlisle and Morecambe in January don't look to be big crowd pullers.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on December 18, 2018, 21:34:39 pm
Any ideas on the odds for a vV Hat Trick v MKDons or even Swindon?
He was 40/1 on Satdee, another pound wasted. I'm thinking of lumping on Buchanan as an anytime scorer soon. That one's coming.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on December 18, 2018, 21:41:17 pm
Hopefully so!

Noticable we haven't had 5000 home fans for any game yet this season, we reached that mark 11 times last season and 15 times the season before (out of 23 league games)

Got to hold on to those extra fans....as the two home games against Carlisle and Morecambe in January don't look to be big crowd pullers.
We've lost around 20% of our home fans in the last two years. Back then though was the first season back in League One after a seven year absence after the exhillerating title win, local derbies, big clubs. It's a harder sell now.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 18, 2018, 21:41:27 pm
He was 40/1 on Satdee, another pound wasted. I'm thinking of lumping on Buchanan as an anytime scorer soon. That one's coming.

thanks -  useful if he performs!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 26, 2018, 16:13:25 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    53,809     Ave 4484   -10.39%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first TWELVE home league games of the season

Total 64,371       5364 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 59,317       4943 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 53,809       4484 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 29, 2018, 19:30:12 pm
Biggest gate of the season and biggest number of home fans this season, rather disappointingly over 500 down on last seasons fixture though. At least it pulls down the percentage fall overall from last season to single figures.


2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    59,323     Ave 4563   -8.81%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first TWELVE home league games of the season

Total 69,521       5347 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 64,134       4933 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 59,323       4563 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Lukey on December 29, 2018, 19:53:05 pm
Can't the owner add the table bbcode to make it more easy on the eye?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 12, 2019, 16:08:50 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    64,114     Ave 4580   -8.47%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first FOURTEEN home league games of the season

Total 75,601       5400 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 68,837       4917 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 64,114       4580 home fans per game average 2018/19
   


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 21, 2019, 18:13:48 pm
I see Notts County did their annual cheap ticket offer a couple of weekends ago. £2 a ticket and a crowd of 15,000. It didn't necessarily help them and they are further adrift at the bottom than before.
I wonder if we did a similar offer how many we would get? I asked my Dad who is an inactive supporter, last went about 8 or 9 years ago and he said £2 still wouldn't attract him! I guess it would need to be marketed well.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Grove on January 21, 2019, 18:21:27 pm
I see Notts County did their annual cheap ticket offer a couple of weekends ago. £2 a ticket and a crowd of 15,000. It didn't necessarily help them and they are further adrift at the bottom than before.
I wonder if we did a similar offer how many we would get? I asked my Dad who is an inactive supporter, last went about 8 or 9 years ago and he said £2 still wouldn't attract him! I guess it would need to be marketed well.

£1.50 ?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2677 on January 21, 2019, 18:24:13 pm
£1.50 ?
My dad would want more than that to attend a game at Sixfields.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 21, 2019, 18:31:35 pm
MK did £10 for adults and kid a quid on Saturday for their game against Crewe, they rewarded the near 9000 crowd with a 0-1 defeat!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 21, 2019, 20:57:23 pm
That's the risk - a dire performance and the extras don't return! It's a pity with Morecambe in town and only likely to bring 150-200 fans which could be put in the East Stand corner, that we couldn't do a South Stand Special deal for home fans of some sort.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 21, 2019, 22:12:41 pm
Sixfields is 70% full even when we're playing s***e in league 2, there's no point in letting in fans for a few pound as that is money lost and with the place being an uninspiring s***hole, it wont have them coming back anytime soon.
Wait until we redeveloped the ground and have some spare capacity until we try a gimmick like this.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 26, 2019, 14:17:48 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    68,530     Ave 4569   -8.69%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first FIFTEEN home league games of the season

Total 80,973       5398 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 75,479       5032 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 68,530       4569 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 26, 2019, 18:18:26 pm
Sixfields is 70% full even when we're playing s***e in league 2, there's no point in letting in fans for a few pound as that is money lost and with the place being an uninspiring s***hole, it wont have them coming back anytime soon.
Wait until we redeveloped the ground and have some spare capacity until we try a gimmick like this.
No, simpleton. It's the football that won't have them coming back. That is 95% of the reason people go. The football. It's just weirdos like you that choose which game to go based on facilities.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 26, 2019, 18:47:00 pm
No, simpleton. It's the football that won't have them coming back. That is 95% of the reason people go. The football. It's just weirdos like you that choose which game to go based on facilities.

A community backed club that strives for major improvements in all departments playing in a more professional setting... Having more ups than downs, more regular bigger league and cup games.
Its what we all want and will get,  so no need to stress me old duck.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ron Obvious on January 26, 2019, 18:51:14 pm
A community backed club that strives for major improvements in all departments playing in a more professional setting... Having more ups than downs, more regular bigger league and cup games.
Its what we all want and will get,  so no need to stress me old duck.

Don't remember you getting elected to speak for everybody!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on January 26, 2019, 19:22:59 pm
A community backed club that strives for major improvements in all departments playing in a more professional setting... Having more ups than downs, more regular bigger league and cup games.
Its what we all want and will get,  so no need to stress me old duck.
Easy as that. Why aren't they all doing it?
Didn't know 'community backed' clubs got better cup ties though so thanks for that little pearl


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 26, 2019, 20:46:39 pm
Easy as that. Why aren't they all doing it?
Didn't know 'community backed' clubs got better cup ties though so thanks for that little pearl
Lincoln Wimbledon etc, and yes things are as easy as that as we will all find out soon enough.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 26, 2019, 20:56:16 pm
Don't remember you getting elected to speak for everybody!
No, you're  right I wasnt elected but just chose to speak out to help our club shake off the tyre kickers, belittlers, land grabbers, ar5e kissers and all those who strive to keep our club in a position well below where it should be.
Where do you belong, Ron on this spectrum?  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: cobblergaz59 on January 26, 2019, 21:39:57 pm
No, you're  right I wasnt elected but just chose to speak out to help our club shake off the tyre kickers, belittlers, land grabbers, ar5e kissers and all those who strive to keep our club in a position well below where it should be.
Where do you belong, Ron on this spectrum?  ;D

Haha...you're the biggest belittler of our club on here


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Ron Obvious on January 27, 2019, 15:38:10 pm
No, you're  right I wasnt elected but just chose to speak out to help our club shake off the tyre kickers, belittlers, land grabbers, ar5e kissers and all those who strive to keep our club in a position well below where it should be.
Where do you belong, Ron on this spectrum?  ;D


I don't fit on your spectrum. I am just a fan who buys a season ticket and follows the club to some away games to watch the football. I can also spot a bitter person on a twisted agenda when I see it. Isn't it about time you shared the reason why you are so bitter?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 1971cobbler on January 27, 2019, 18:41:06 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    68,530     Ave 4569   -8.69%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first FIFTEEN home league games of the season

Total 80,973       5398 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 75,479       5032 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 68,530       4569 home fans per game average 2018/19

4416 for the third time this season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 27, 2019, 20:36:29 pm
Just 1.5% of our catchment.
We really need to up that by a Just couple of %


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on January 27, 2019, 22:00:52 pm
Just 1.5% of our catchment.
We really need to up that by a Just couple of %


Compared with most other L2 clubs and even a few L1 our attendance yesterday compared favourably. And we started early!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on January 28, 2019, 10:37:47 am
Compared with most other L2 clubs and even a few L1 our attendance yesterday compared favourably. And we started early!
compared favourably with what?  small back water towns thats are barely a third of our size.
No it doesn't and wont until NTFC becomes solely the towns football club and not an investment project for passing investors.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 28, 2019, 12:32:58 pm
Wrexham pulled in over 4000 for their Vanarama game....Orient went even better with 5,500 for thier game......Edinburgh is doing a good job!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 28, 2019, 15:01:41 pm
If we were top of the conference, we would be pulling in 5,500 home fans.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 28, 2019, 15:31:57 pm
If we were top of the conference, we would be pulling in 5,500 home fans.

So going down wouldn't be such a bad thing?  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on January 28, 2019, 21:07:42 pm
We've lost around 500 home fans since relegation last season, at £20 a head that's £10,000 per game, £123,000 over the season. Plus probably a similar amount of away fans (Morecambe brought just 96)! So almost £250,000 down this season in gate receipts alone. Add on to that possible, parking, programmes, food, drink, merchandise; it's a significant drop in income.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 02, 2019, 16:03:35 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat                Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    72,741     Ave 4546   -9.15%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first SIXTEEN home league games of the season

Total 85,644       5353 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 81,010       5063 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 72,741       4546 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest154 on February 02, 2019, 16:54:41 pm
long time since my last post, but i figure i'll my two penneth once more...

Besides the side playing badly and not representing value for money, the thing that puts me off attending most currently is our support.
20 plus pounds to sit in an almost totally negative enviroment for 2 hours takes it toll very quickly.
The malaise around the club needs lifting, and fast before the decline become irreversable.

sadly i have no solutions to offer, as i think they have all been talked to death. all the supporters can offer now is some real positivity towards the players because love them  or hate them there are all thats here in what is now a very real relegation battle.
the persistant negative atmosphere is almost certainly not helping.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Dan on February 02, 2019, 17:01:51 pm
You talk about the fans needing to create a positive atmosphere. But aren't willing to come and try to assist that yourself  ;D ;D ;D fantastic irony.

This is absolutely nothing to do with the supporters.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: FezNTFC on February 02, 2019, 17:16:56 pm
all the supporters can offer now is some real positivity towards the players because love them  or hate them there are all thats here in what is now a very real relegation battle.
the persistant negative atmosphere is almost certainly not helping.


Last year our players got applauded off the pitch by a sizeable section of the supporters after being relegated!

I couldn't disagree with you more. Despite almost 18 months of consistent rubbish, it still hasn't really turned that ugly at Sixfields. Instead, it's just dead quiet, nobody can be arsed. After the fourth went in today there was a quiet mass exodus, myself included. I didn't bellow at them, I just resigned myself to yet another home whooping and silently went on my way.

At other stadiums I've been to the players out there would have been roasted alive after conceding that pathetic fourth goal today.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 02, 2019, 17:29:23 pm
Last year our players got applauded off the pitch by a sizeable section of the supporters after being relegated!

I couldn't disagree with you more. Despite almost 18 months of consistent rubbish, it still hasn't really turned that ugly at Sixfields. Instead, it's just dead quiet, nobody can be arsed. After the fourth went in today there was a quiet mass exodus, myself included. I didn't bellow at them, I just resigned myself to yet another home whooping and silently went on my way.

At other stadiums I've been to the players out there would have been roasted alive after conceding that pathetic fourth goal today.

Hits the nail on the head!!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: clarkeysntfc on February 02, 2019, 19:25:43 pm
I bet some muppets stayed and clapped like hungry sea lions today.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Saint Cobbler on February 02, 2019, 20:44:53 pm
Last year our players got applauded off the pitch by a sizeable section of the supporters after being relegated!

I couldn't disagree with you more. Despite almost 18 months of consistent rubbish, it still hasn't really turned that ugly at Sixfields. Instead, it's just dead quiet, nobody can be arsed. After the fourth went in today there was a quiet mass exodus, myself included. I didn't bellow at them, I just resigned myself to yet another home whooping and silently went on my way.

At other stadiums I've been to the players out there would have been roasted alive after conceding that pathetic fourth goal today.
But we haven't lost at home since September.






Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Dan on February 02, 2019, 21:34:30 pm
We'd only won four in that time and three of them were when Curle had his new manager bounce. Since then we've had so many dire performances and have been fortunate to get points. Today's thrashing has been coming.

Fez is completely correct. That fourth goal was shamefully bad.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 11, 2019, 09:36:04 am
https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/attendance_increase/

Positive spin on anything!!!

At the same stage back in 2016 in our title winning season......."of course crowds spkied towards the end of the season"

He also seems to forget that there were no seats in the East Stand that season, our capacity was limited to 6400 and we couldn't give away fans more than the 900 odd in the South Stand.

Appeantly we have grown our supporter base over the last few years.......really??  Compared to the same stage in 2016/17 (in league 1) we have lost 15% of our fans. Remember my figures are purely home fans, so it is more realistic than using overall gate figures when it doesnt take into account the away followings.

Think of that....15% down......£20 a pop.....thats potentially £30k per game.......x23 games.....almost £700,000 less over the season. 

Not so positive looking now is it?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 11, 2019, 10:46:00 am
2015/16 Season
16 league games total 'home fans' =   70,351/16 = 4397
23 league games total 'home fans' = 110,178/23 = 4790 - the final 7 home games averaged 5690.
2018/19
16 league games total 'home fans' =   72,921/16 = 4558 - which will probably not increase in the final 7 games.

Without the promotion factor, what they have said is correct by 161 home fans per game.
However that doesn't take into account the ones that we gained during the League 1 years, that we have since lost.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on February 11, 2019, 12:03:51 pm
https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/attendance_increase/

Positive spin on anything!!!

At the same stage back in 2016 in our title winning season......."of course crowds spkied towards the end of the season"

He also seems to forget that there were no seats in the East Stand that season, our capacity was limited to 6400 and we couldn't give away fans more than the 900 odd in the South Stand.

Appeantly we have grown our supporter base over the last few years.......really??  Compared to the same stage in 2016/17 (in league 1) we have lost 15% of our fans. Remember my figures are purely home fans, so it is more realistic than using overall gate figures when it doesnt take into account the away followings.

Think of that....15% down......£20 a pop.....thats potentially £30k per game.......x23 games.....almost £700,000 less over the season. 

Not so positive looking now is it?
They also forgot to mention that less than a paltry 1.5% of its catchment area bother to turn up.
Also the town has expanded by 50,000 since 1994 but our gates have fallen.
Bloody spindoctory 😂


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: meccanostand on February 11, 2019, 14:04:27 pm
They also forgot to mention that less than a paltry 1.5% of its catchment area bother to turn up.
Also the town has expanded by 50,000 since 1994 but our gates have fallen.
Bloody spindoctory 😂

Somerset news did a Study and have it at just over 2%. Still a small % of the town's population and a neglible one of the County's. Bottom 4 in League 2 in this respect.

Be interested to know the average attendance in the seasons around moving to sixfields and the real growth in the Premier League era.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/league-two-attendances-dons-grimsby-2266318.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/league-two-attendances-dons-grimsby-2266318.amp)



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 11, 2019, 14:39:47 pm
Somerset news did a Study and have it at just over 2%. Still a small % of the town's population and a neglible one of the County's. Bottom 4 in League 2 in this respect.

Be interested to know the average attendance in the seasons around moving to sixfields and the real growth in the Premier League era.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/league-two-attendances-dons-grimsby-2266318.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/league-two-attendances-dons-grimsby-2266318.amp)



That's still based on total attendance not just the home support which for those with larger away areas makes them artificial figures.
I see that it quotes The Saints whose support comes from across the County and probably country as opposed to being limited to the town of Northampton.

It would be interesting to see what percentage of both the Cobblers and Saints support is from out of town.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: meccanostand on February 13, 2019, 19:26:22 pm
1994-95 average attendance- 5086

2018/19 average attendance -5156

A growth of 70 in the Sixfields era, a period of unbridled wealth in the game. The population has risen. Bottom 4 in League 2 for attendance as % of population currently.



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on February 13, 2019, 21:10:18 pm
They also forgot to mention that less than a paltry 1.5% of its catchment area bother to turn up.
Also the town has expanded by 50,000 since 1994 but our gates have fallen.
Bloody spindoctory 😂
I have a cunning plan!

Why not have a mass mail drop to the 98.5% of the Northamptonshire area, a leaflet telling the occupiers of each address what utter c***s they are?
The leaflet could offer the remedy for not being such an utter c**t by getting themselves down to Sixfields.
Complete salvation and a completely full stadium, meaning an undeniable necessity for a larger stadium!
Doesn't even need Beds' businessmen!  :P


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BMON on February 14, 2019, 07:40:15 am
Agree...Most of West stand do nothing about getting an atmosphere going..but then again the POSH and IRA songs are moronic...
North Stand is also embarrassing..make it a tenner to get in,
and don't start me on the east stand, even though the atmosphere is better then most ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on February 14, 2019, 21:51:31 pm
Agree...Most of West stand do nothing about getting an atmosphere going..but then again the POSH and IRA songs are moronic...
North Stand is also embarrassing..make it a tenner to get in,
and don't start me on the east stand, even though the atmosphere is better then most ;D

The singing of the songs you mention is what they do! Get used to it! As for the West and North Stands they do their bit; look forward to you joining in and making the atmosphere happen ::)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: JollyCobbler on February 14, 2019, 23:57:40 pm
I have a cunning plan!

Why not have a mass mail drop to the 98.5% of the Northamptonshire area, a leaflet telling the occupiers of each address what utter c***s they are?
The leaflet could offer the remedy for not being such an utter c**t by getting themselves down to Sixfields.
Complete salvation and a completely full stadium, meaning an undeniable necessity for a larger stadium!
Doesn't even need Beds' businessmen!  :P

Nah, won't work. If they're utter c***s they'll already have season tickets at London Road. ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: JollyCobbler on February 14, 2019, 23:59:25 pm
Agree...Most of West stand do nothing about getting an atmosphere going..but then again the POSH and IRA songs are moronic...
North Stand is also embarrassing..make it a tenner to get in,
and don't start me on the east stand, even though the atmosphere is better then most ;D

So what would you prefer they sing?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Buster on February 15, 2019, 06:34:29 am
I have a cunning plan!

Why not have a mass mail drop to the 98.5% of the Northamptonshire area, a leaflet telling the occupiers of each address what utter c***s they are?
The leaflet could offer the remedy for not being such an utter c**t by getting themselves down to Sixfields.
Complete salvation and a completely full stadium, meaning an undeniable necessity for a larger stadium!
Doesn't even need Beds' businessmen!  :P

Marketing genius! How could you possibly be so in tune with the demographics?

Unless of course...


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3114 on February 15, 2019, 07:30:54 am
I have a cunning plan!

Why not have a mass mail drop to the 98.5% of the Northamptonshire area, a leaflet telling the occupiers of each address what utter c***s they are?
The leaflet could offer the remedy for not being such an utter c**t by getting themselves down to Sixfields.
Complete salvation and a completely full stadium, meaning an undeniable necessity for a larger stadium!
Doesn't even need Beds' businessmen!  :P
Genius, if somewhat controversial?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 15, 2019, 08:19:58 am
So what would you prefer they sing?

The question is....did anyone really buy a flute?



Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: JollyCobbler on February 15, 2019, 09:17:25 am
The question is....did anyone really buy a flute?



Nah, it was an Irish penny whistle ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BMON on February 15, 2019, 10:07:55 am
So what would you prefer they sing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xKjGqefH7U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VX2K36jW2c


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on February 18, 2019, 18:58:36 pm
Agree...Most of West stand do nothing about getting an atmosphere going..but then again the POSH and IRA songs are moronic...
North Stand is also embarrassing..make it a tenner to get in,
and don't start me on the east stand, even though the atmosphere is better then most ;D

I think this was a bit silly?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Coolcat on February 18, 2019, 21:19:33 pm
Quite a few green seats on show at Franklin's Gardens Saturday, I saw on TV!
Having said that, while we were embroiled in an exciting 0-0 against er, Crawley... they scored 67!  :o


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on February 18, 2019, 21:40:05 pm
Over 12,000 at Notts and Carlisle did a 10kforMK campaign which did succeed in attracting over 10k at Brunton Park, fair play to both clubs. A lower table clash against Crawley doesn't pull in the punters. Even in our title winning season I'm sure we only got just over 5,000 against them just after we'd won the title. These poorly supported ex non-league clubs are no attraction.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BedsCobb on February 19, 2019, 07:25:41 am
I think it's as much to do with the clubs owners inability to deliver on promises made that has alienated the support base and town in general from the football club.
If it wasn't for the social side of things like having few beers before and after, I doubt I would even bother paying £24 to watch Thomas's football club.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: meccanostand on February 19, 2019, 08:01:42 am
I think it's as much to do with the clubs owners inability to deliver on promises made that has alienated the support base and town in general from the football club.
If it wasn't for the social side of things like having few beers before and after, I doubt I would even bother paying £24 to watch Thomas's football club.

The fact is that we aren't touching the sides in terms of the population of the town or the county coming to games. There is a shell of a club there, a base to grow definitely but doing things the same way we have been doing for god knows how long probably has had its time.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 23, 2019, 22:54:09 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat                Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue               Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    77,199     Ave 4541   -9.25%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first SEVENTEEN home league games of the season

Total 90,073       5298 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 85,714       5042 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 77,199       4541 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Lukey on March 02, 2019, 20:22:08 pm
Common knowledge that football crowds drop when teams are struggling and going downhill,

Get in the play offs and a few will come back.

Get into league 1 and finish in the top 8 aiming for promo to the champo and they will be back in their numbers for sure.

I know several Cobblers fans who have been going to Kettering Town matches this season instead and they openly admit that it is because they are in a promotion hunt and they enjoy the positivity on and off the pitch rather than the negativity that hovers over us.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 02, 2019, 21:51:13 pm
Common knowledge that football crowds drop when teams are struggling and going downhill,

Get in the play offs and a few will come back.

Get into league 1 and finish in the top 8 aiming for promo to the champo and they will be back in their numbers for sure.

I know several Cobblers fans who have been going to Kettering Town matches this season instead and they openly admit that it is because they are in a promotion hunt and they enjoy the positivity on and off the pitch rather than the negativity that hovers over us.

Recent away turnouts against Lincoln , Stevenage and Crewe suggest otherwise. Very good atmosphere and attendance today?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 09, 2019, 15:13:43 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat                Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue               Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat              Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    81,741     Ave 4541   -9.25%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first EIGHTEEN home league games of the season

Total 95,767       5320 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 91,365       5076 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 81,741       4541 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 09, 2019, 15:23:51 pm
Biggest home crowd of the year...  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 09, 2019, 15:40:47 pm
Biggest home crowd of the year...  ;D

And almost spot on the average home gate this season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 12, 2019, 22:04:12 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat                Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue               Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat              Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat               Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    85,707     Ave 4511   -9.85%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first NINETEEN home league games of the season

Total 100,331     5281 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 96,118       5059 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 85,707       4511 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on March 14, 2019, 16:28:32 pm
Your input to this thread is always appreciated ; you said that ref Tuesday match that the gate was one of the lowest ever. It might have be useful to mention that on the night the gate was the second highest on the night behind Lincoln. Not music to KT's ears tho'. Quite proud we came second!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: rebelspawn on March 15, 2019, 09:50:43 am
Your input to this thread is always appreciated ; you said that ref Tuesday match that the gate was one of the lowest ever. It might have be useful to mention that on the night the gate was the second highest on the night behind Lincoln. Not music to KT's ears tho'. Quite proud we came second!

Yeah, certainly not a problem specific to us. I think its the European football on the tv that causes the issues. When faced with the choice between standing outside on a cold windy night and watching league 2 quality football vs the comfort of the sofa and a better standard of football, many choose the latter, unfortunately.

Maybe the FL needs to consider this when doing the fixtures somehow? I guess its a lot harder for them since UEFA staggered the fixtures for the european games.

All of our Tuesday games this season have also been long trips for away away fans which doesn't help overall attendances either.

Personally i prefer the night games.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 15, 2019, 17:22:07 pm
The Football League deliberately schedule longer trips for midweek night games to maximise Saturday attendances. Not sure if it works so well though. I much prefer Saturday afternoon games. Midweek fixtures are a rush for some to get to due to work commitments. The only night game I really look forward to is Good Friday.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3063 on March 15, 2019, 17:37:22 pm
The Football League deliberately schedule longer trips for midweek night games to maximise Saturday attendances. Not sure if it works so well though. I much prefer Saturday afternoon games. Midweek fixtures are a rush for some to get to due to work commitments. The only night game I really look forward to is Good Friday.

This season the Good Friday game kicks off at 3pm.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 15, 2019, 22:20:01 pm
Mixed feelings about the Good Friday kick-off of 3pm. Will still feel like a Saturday to me as off work. Would have liked a night game though. Had some great Good Friday night games in the past.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 30, 2019, 19:27:02 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat                Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue               Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat              Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat               Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue              Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    90,958     Ave 4548   -9.11%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first TWENTY home league games of the season

Total 106,366     5318 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 100,291     5015 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 90,958       4548 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 31, 2019, 02:21:33 am
A good effort from the club to attract the second highest home attendance this season, pity the team put on such an abject performance, one that doesn't scream of the extra fans wishing to come back for more.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 13, 2019, 16:02:13 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat                Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue               Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat              Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat               Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue              Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat              Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    95,398     Ave 4543   -9.21%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first TWENTY-ONE home league games of the season

Total 112,335     5349 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 105,499     5024 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 95,298       4543 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 13, 2019, 16:03:37 pm
A good effort from the club to attract the second highest home attendance this season, pity the team put on such an abject performance, one that doesn't scream of the extra fans wishing to come back for more.

Indeed....over 800 fewer home fans at the next game.....


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on April 13, 2019, 20:09:37 pm
Indeed....over 800 fewer home fans at the next game.....

Season is over, nothing to play for and the players have generally been s*** all season. It's amazing that nearly 4500 are still interested.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BMON on April 13, 2019, 20:22:23 pm
Season is over, nothing to play for and the players have generally been **** all season. It's amazing that nearly 4500 are still interested.

I see dead people


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 13, 2019, 22:36:32 pm
Indeed....over 800 fewer home fans at the next game.....

Yep. It looks like we lost that extra 800 and kept the usual numbers. Those 800 were mainly made up of school children/groups for community day probably on special deals. They didn't fancy the full price then?! Two more to go against teams facing an exit from the FL. I can't see our average increasing with us stuck in mid-table.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 19, 2019, 16:32:01 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat                Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue               Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat              Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat               Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue              Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat              Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat             Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                      May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19  100,040     Ave 4547   -9.13%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first TWENTY-TWO home league games of the season

Total 117,870     5358 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 110,024     5001 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 100,040     4547 home fans per game average 2018/19


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BMON on April 20, 2019, 19:22:55 pm
i see dead people


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest48 on April 20, 2019, 19:24:57 pm
i see dead people
Has the sun got to you  ???


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: BMON on April 20, 2019, 19:27:04 pm
Has the sun got to you  ???

no i live in earls barton were the sun never sets


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 27, 2019, 16:25:30 pm
2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat                Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue               Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat              Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat               Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue              Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat              Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat             Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                      May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat             Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19  104,631     Ave 4549   -9.09%


So there you go, over 10000 fewer home fans through the turnstiles this season, or an average 450 fewer per game. Coincidentally we had 455 fewer home fans at our last game this season compared to last season.
Only twice did we exceed 5000 home fans, we managed it 12 times last season and 16 the season before.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 27, 2019, 22:14:07 pm
A predictable drop in attendances considering league position and attractiveness of the opposition. 10,000 fewer through the gate is about £200,000 in lost income; a couple of salaries for decent players.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 31, 2019, 14:57:23 pm
2016/17                                                      2017/18                                                            2018/19                                                        2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat             Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat              Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat                  Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat             Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat              Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat                  Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL)    Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)    Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat                 Aug- Arsenal U21  - 1956 - Tue (Lease)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)   Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat              Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       Aug- Plymouth      - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun            Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue             Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat                 Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (Lease)
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat             Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat             Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat             Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat             Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat             Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat              Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat             Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat               Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat           Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat               Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues         Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup) Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat            Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)    Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat            Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat               Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat               Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon           Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon              Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat            Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat               Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat             Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat              Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat             Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat               Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue            Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue               Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat           Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue              Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat              Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue           Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue               Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat           Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat          Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat              May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat          Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  13,170  Ave 4390 (-3.50%)

After THREE home league games......  2016/17 Average   5053
                                                        2017/18 Average   5135
                                                        2018/19 Average   4470
                                                        2019/20 Average   4390


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 14, 2019, 18:07:33 pm
2016/17                                                      2017/18                                                            2018/19                                                        2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   -   5048  - Sat             Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat              Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat             Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon -   4761  - Sat             Aug - P@@h            - 5278 - Sat              Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat             Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-    3967  - Tue (EFL)    Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (CHK)    Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat             Aug- Arsenal U21  - 1956 - Tue (Lease)
Aug - Wycombe  -   1334  - Tue (CHK)   Sep - Donny              -  5107 - Sat            Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)   Aug- Plymouth      - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Plastica -  5349  - Sun            Sep - Pompey            -  4702 - Tue            Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat            Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (Lease)
Sep - Walsall       -  4937  - Sat             Sep - Bradford           -  5210 - Sat            Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat           Sep - Newport       - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd     -  6854  - Wed (EFL)    Oct - Bristol Rovers    -  5080 - Sat           Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend   -  5368  - Sat             Oct- AFC Wimbledon     - 4805 - Sat           Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas      -  5645  - Sat              Oct - Blackpool           - 4842 - Sat           Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall       -  5889 - Sat               Nov - Scunny (FA Cup) - 2543 - Sat           Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury          -   5457  - Sat               Nov - So'ton  (CHK)    - 1065 - Tues         Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow      -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup) Nov - Scunny               - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  -    573 - Tues (CHK)    Nov - Bury                   -  4640 - Sat         Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Pish           -  6213 - Sat               Dec - Walsall                 -  4661 - Sat        Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton         - 5754 - Sat               Dec - Blackburn            -  5096 - Sat         Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale     - 4986 - Sat                Jan - Wigan                  - 4817 - Mon        Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford      - 4964 - Mon              Jan - Southend              - 4703 - Sat          Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny        - 5150 - Sat               Jan - MK Plastics            - 6021 - Sat         Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry      - 6080 - Sat              Feb - Rochdale               - 5261 - Sat          Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat              Feb - Gillingham             - 4704 - Tue          Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue              Feb - Oxford                   - 5651  - Sat         Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue              Mar - Rotherham             - 4753 - Sat          Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat              Mar - Shrewsbury            - 4173 - Tue          Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue              Mar - Charlton                 - 5208 - Sat          Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat              Apr - Plymouth                 - 5416 - Sat          Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat             May - Oldham                  - 5058 - Sat          Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  17,487  Ave 4372 (-3.89%)

After FOUR home league games......    2016/17 Average   5023
                                                        2017/18 Average   5027
                                                        2018/19 Average   4449
                                                        2019/20 Average   4372


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: the grumpy old man on September 14, 2019, 18:19:59 pm
I don't know what it's like for other people but I cannot see most of the last column. It's off the page so to speak and I cannot see anyway on my PC to scroll it along.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3086 on September 14, 2019, 18:31:43 pm
A complete blur to me.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 14, 2019, 18:50:27 pm
I don't know what it's like for other people but I cannot see most of the last column. It's off the page so to speak and I cannot see anyway on my PC to scroll it along.

Must depend how wide your screen is....its fine on mine!

Was going to get rid of the first column but just assumed everyone could see it all.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 14, 2019, 19:01:27 pm
I can see it, its a bit firkin wobbly though!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 14, 2019, 20:05:16 pm
any better?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3086 on September 14, 2019, 20:34:03 pm
It is awful. Sort it out.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 05, 2019, 16:47:15 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT)
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT)
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  26,844  Ave 4474 (-1.65%)

After SIX home league games......       2016/17 Average   5185
                                                        2017/18 Average   5066
                                                        2018/19 Average   4332
                                                        2019/20 Average   4474


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 19, 2019, 16:45:11 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 -Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT)
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT)
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  31,579  Ave 4511 (-0.84%)

After SEVEN home league games......  2016/17 Average   5285
                                                        2017/18 Average   5029
                                                        2018/19 Average   4404
                                                        2019/20 Average   4511


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on October 20, 2019, 21:39:46 pm
Up on the previous game surprisingly. Should increase further next week with local opposition and a win under our belts. Although the Saints are also at home which may knock one or two off the gate.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 28, 2019, 22:58:39 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT)
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT)
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  36,106  Ave 4513 (-0.79%)

After EIGHT home league games......   2016/17 Average   5307
                                                        2017/18 Average   5006
                                                        2018/19 Average   4406
                                                        2019/20 Average   4513


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 16, 2019, 18:11:16 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT) Nov - Crewe       - 4714 - Sat
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT)
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  40,820  Ave 4536 (-0.29%)

After NINE home league games......    2016/17 Average   5407
                                                        2017/18 Average   4991
                                                        2018/19 Average   4442
                                                        2019/20 Average   4536


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 16, 2019, 18:12:38 pm
Crowds on the up....added almost 100 home fans per game this season to last......


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 23, 2019, 17:48:28 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT) Nov - Crewe       - 4714 - Sat
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat       Nov - Grimsby     - 4614 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT)
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  45,434  Ave 4543 (-0.13%)

After TEN home league games......      2016/17 Average   5442
                                                        2017/18 Average   4956
                                                        2018/19 Average   4488
                                                        2019/20 Average   4543


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 23, 2019, 21:57:44 pm
Disappointed to see the home crowd down by 100 on last week. There were more school groups last week.
Would hope for a decent FA Cup crowd next week. Would expect County to sell out the South a Stand and maybe have some of the East Stand too. Could push 5,000.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 14, 2019, 16:11:45 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT) Nov - Crewe       - 4714 - Sat
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat       Nov - Grimsby     - 4614 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat       Dec - Notts C (FA - 3448 - Sun
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues     Dec - Forest Green- 4395 -Sat
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT)
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  45,434  Ave 4530 (-0.42%)

After ELEVEN home league games...... 2016/17 Average   5401
                                                        2017/18 Average   4929
                                                        2018/19 Average   4481
                                                        2019/20 Average   4530


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Why? on December 14, 2019, 16:38:42 pm
Thank you GPC for keeping this going.  This is similar to one of the KPIs used by the Club Board to understand the financial viability of the club.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: singcobb on December 15, 2019, 11:33:58 am
GPC are the figures based only on home fans?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 15, 2019, 11:43:36 am
Thank you GPC for keeping this going.  This is similar to one of the KPIs used by the Club Board to understand the financial viability of the club.

Good and interesting info & thk you!


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on December 15, 2019, 12:03:18 pm
GPC are the figures based only on home fans?

Yes..  ;)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 1971cobbler on December 15, 2019, 12:59:07 pm
Is there stats available for how many times the visiting supporters took up their full allocation of tickets, including East stand overflow, for our two seasons in L1?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 15, 2019, 13:05:34 pm
What strikes me is that the home fans total for the game yesterday was lower than the corresponding fixture last season.

Taking into account that Stevenage and FGR are similar opposition (nothing to get excited about), this season we are near the top of the league, had won our previous five home games, yet we attracted fewer fans than last season (played on Saturday 15th December) when we we had failed to win in 6 games and were 14th in the league.

I get that its nearly Christmas, people have other things to do etc, but a genuine question.......why have gates not reflected the improved performances, results, league standing etc?

Do you think that to the "stay-aways" its just the fact they don't want to watch fourth division football?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Charlatan on December 15, 2019, 17:25:06 pm
I think in the case of yesterday GPC it very close to Xmas, and awful weather. This IMO would have put a families off who normally use the East Stand. West Stand looked to have its usual (ish) amount  in from where I sit.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Larry on December 15, 2019, 18:13:27 pm
What strikes me is that the home fans total for the game yesterday was lower than the corresponding fixture last season.

Taking into account that Stevenage and FGR are similar opposition (nothing to get excited about), this season we are near the top of the league, had won our previous five home games, yet we attracted fewer fans than last season (played on Saturday 15th December) when we we had failed to win in 6 games and were 14th in the league.

I get that its nearly Christmas, people have other things to do etc, but a genuine question.......why have gates not reflected the improved performances, results, league standing etc?

Do you think that to the "stay-aways" its just the fact they don't want to watch fourth division football?


The difference is 21, less than 1/2%. Perhaps the question should be why are there not more people coming to the games? The bad weather probably played a part yesterday but I would suspect that unless we get into the top two or so then the floating watcher count is unlikely to change much. Mind you, how many season ticket holders are there this season? There can't be that many that pay on the day.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 15, 2019, 19:16:46 pm

The difference is 21, less than 1/2%. Perhaps the question should be why are there not more people coming to the games? The bad weather probably played a part yesterday but I would suspect that unless we get into the top two or so then the floating watcher count is unlikely to change much. Mind you, how many season ticket holders are there this season? There can't be that many that pay on the day.


A look at the pictures in the match report from a year ago suggests the weather wasn't much better then!!

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/matches/fixtures/first-team/201819/december/northampton-town-vs-stevenage-on-15-dec-18/#

2000-2500 season ticket holders? Of course not all will turn up every game but take off the schoolkids, the VIP's, directors, officials and scouts, and of course the away fans.........there are still a "floating 1000" who are buying in advance or on the day. That's the market that needs to be grown this season.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: SteveRiches on December 15, 2019, 19:27:59 pm
The proximity of Christmas (family shopping) and generally naff weather) usually does knock attendances.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on December 16, 2019, 10:47:08 am
What strikes me is that the home fans total for the game yesterday was lower than the corresponding fixture last season.

Taking into account that Stevenage and FGR are similar opposition (nothing to get excited about), this season we are near the top of the league, had won our previous five home games, yet we attracted fewer fans than last season (played on Saturday 15th December) when we we had failed to win in 6 games and were 14th in the league.

I get that its nearly Christmas, people have other things to do etc, but a genuine question.......why have gates not reflected the improved performances, results, league standing etc?

Do you think that to the "stay-aways" its just the fact they don't want to watch fourth division football?

Might have been already mentioned but surely the atrocious weather paid a part?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3338 on December 16, 2019, 12:31:29 pm
Is there stats available for how many times the visiting supporters took up their full allocation of tickets, including East stand overflow, for our two seasons in L1?

Subtract GPC's figures from the official attendances for those two seasons and you'll get somewhere close to knowing.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 1971cobbler on December 16, 2019, 12:33:55 pm
Subtract GPC's figures from the official attendances for those two seasons and you'll get somewhere close to knowing.

Are those official figures available on the club website?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3338 on December 16, 2019, 12:36:29 pm
Are those official figures available on the club website?
www.footballwebpages.co.uk


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest49 on December 16, 2019, 13:13:43 pm
In the dark days of austerity it is difficult for a family of four (with kids over 7) to afford or justify £72 (£64 in advance) to attend a game.
£20 for 4 tickets to Vue etc. Football has long been trying to compete with many other forms of entertainment.
Unless you are an ardent fan, Sixfields has never really offered the greatest match day experience. I don't think it is just to do with League 2 football, it's about VFM.
No excuses for you beer swilling, football loving yobs who live with their parents though  ;D


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 16, 2019, 17:18:58 pm
Might have been already mentioned but surely the atrocious weather paid a part?

Do keep up.......look two posts above yours and see the pictures from the game last year.......


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 16, 2019, 17:39:53 pm
Is there stats available for how many times the visiting supporters took up their full allocation of tickets, including East stand overflow, for our two seasons in L1?


2016/17 away followings....

Fleetwood                             109(!)
AFC Wimbledon                     424
West Brom (League Cup)        1549
Wycombe (League Trophy)      74
MK Dons                                1469
Walsall                                   601
Man United (League Cup)        944 (away fans were only sold the South Stand for this game)
Southend                               770
Bristol Rovers                         997
Millwall                                  1019
Bury                                      282
Harrow Borough (FA Cup)        471
West Ham (League Trophy)      378
Peterborough United               1462
Bolton Wanderers                   1264
Rochdale                                261
Bradford City                         1067
Scunnthorpe                           499
Coventry City                         1463
Chesterfield                            452
Swindon Town                         423
Oldham Athletic                       257
Charlton Athletic                     1424
Port Vale                                  248
Oxford United                         1399
Sheffield United                      1456
Shrewsbury                             676
Gillingham                              1054

13 times the South Stand was filled to capacity and the overspill area opened up that season. Plus the Manchester United game when we could have sold many more "away" tickets than we did.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 1971cobbler on December 16, 2019, 17:56:37 pm
2016/17 away followings....

Fleetwood                             109(!)
AFC Wimbledon                     424
West Brom (League Cup)        1549
Wycombe (League Trophy)      74
MK Dons                                1469
Walsall                                   601
Man United (League Cup)        944 (away fans were only sold the South Stand for this game)
Southend                               770
Bristol Rovers                         997
Millwall                                  1019
Bury                                      282
Harrow Borough (FA Cup)        471
West Ham (League Trophy)      378
Peterborough United               1462
Bolton Wanderers                   1264
Rochdale                                261
Bradford City                         1067
Scunnthorpe                           499
Coventry City                         1463
Chesterfield                            452
Swindon Town                         423
Oldham Athletic                       257
Charlton Athletic                     1424
Port Vale                                  248
Oxford United                         1399
Sheffield United                      1456
Shrewsbury                             676
Gillingham                              1054

13 times the South Stand was filled to capacity and the overspill area opened up that season. Plus the Manchester United game when we could have sold many more "away" tickets than we did.

Thanks for this.  :)

So there aren't many occasions where the visiting team weren't fully accommodated one way or the other?

So, given the home tickets never sold out either during this period, I am struggling to see the case for extra capacity as discussed in the redev thread.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 1971cobbler on December 16, 2019, 18:35:29 pm
www.footballwebpages.co.uk

Thanks for this. :)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 16, 2019, 18:57:55 pm
Thanks for this.  :)

So there aren't many occasions where the visiting team weren't fully accommodated one way or the other?

So, given the home tickets never sold out either during this period, I am struggling to see the case for extra capacity as discussed in the redev thread.

I don’t fully subscribe to that argument...there were many games when we were over 90% full, so the argument then would be that the only tickets left were in the wings of the North, or the front rows of the West let’s say....

It does not (IMO) necessarily mean that we didn’t sell out, just that we perhaps couldn’t offer good enough seats to cater for all fans. Also ease of buying tickets, more all ticket games, no pay on the day for a good many of those fixtures.

If we’d had 8000 home seats I reckon we’d have added a few hundred more home fans for games against Coventry, Sheffield United, Peterborough etc.

Going on raw figures it’s fair to say our home take up in league 2 is around 4500, and around 6000 in league 1....can only speculate what it would be in the Championship....10000 or so??


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: 1971cobbler on December 16, 2019, 19:59:00 pm
I don’t fully subscribe to that argument...there were many games when we were over 90% full, so the argument then would be that the only tickets left were in the wings of the North, or the front rows of the West let’s say....

It does not (IMO) necessarily mean that we didn’t sell out, just that we perhaps couldn’t offer good enough seats to cater for all fans. Also ease of buying tickets, more all ticket games, no pay on the day for a good many of those fixtures.

If we’d had 8000 home seats I reckon we’d have added a few hundred more home fans for games against Coventry, Sheffield United, Peterborough etc.

Going on raw figures it’s fair to say our home take up in league 2 is around 4500, and around 6000 in league 1....can only speculate what it would be in the Championship....10000 or so??

I would agree with L2 and L1 numbers but would anticipate more if in the championship. However, it probably ably demonstrates why, given recent history in both these lower divisions, we won't see any redevelopment in the near future.  :(

The financial layout to increase to circa 10000 just won't get recouped through increased revenues.

Anyways, I am going off to put my lottery ticket on....

Can always hope?  :)


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on December 29, 2019, 18:39:33 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT) Nov - Crewe       - 4714 - Sat
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat       Nov - Grimsby     - 4614 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat       Dec - Notts C (FA)- 3448 - Sun
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues     Dec - Forest Green- 4395 - Sat
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat       Dec - Cheltenham - 4723 - Sun
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT) Jan - Stevenage - 4361 - Wed
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  58.913  Ave 4532 (-0.37%)

After THIRTEEN home league games......2016/17 Average   5348
                                                           2017/18 Average   4933
                                                           2018/19 Average   4594
                                                           2019/20 Average   4532


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 18, 2020, 16:25:19 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT) Nov - Crewe       - 4714 - Sat
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat       Nov - Grimsby     - 4614 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat       Dec - Notts C (FA)- 3448 - Sun
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues     Dec - Forest Green- 4395 - Sat
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat       Dec - Cheltenham - 4723 - Sun
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT) Jan - Stevenage - 4361 - Wed
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Morecambe  - 4656 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  63,569  Ave 4541 (-0.18%)
 
After FOURTEEN home league games......2016/17   75601  Average   5400
                                                           2017/18   68837  Average   4917
                                                           2018/19   64114  Average   4580
                                                           2019/20   63569  Average   4541


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: southofthecounty on January 18, 2020, 17:47:33 pm
We are living in uncertain times, and it may well get worse. Clubs that recognise this, and cut their cloth accordingly, will be the survivors.

https://wolfstreet.com/2020/01/18/brick-and-mortar-melts-down-in-the-uk-worst-decline-since-2009-as-big-retailers-collapse/


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3330 on January 23, 2020, 11:45:41 am
We”ll see about this tommorow


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 26, 2020, 20:30:15 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT) Nov - Crewe       - 4714 - Sat
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat       Nov - Grimsby     - 4614 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat       Dec - Notts C (FA)- 3448 - Sun
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues     Dec - Forest Green- 4395 - Sat
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat       Dec - Cheltenham - 4723 - Sun
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT) Jan - Stevenage - 4361 - Wed
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Morecambe  - 4656 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat       Jan - Derby C (FA) - 6359 - Fri                 
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  63,569  Ave 4541 (-0.18%)
 
After FOURTEEN home league games......2016/17   75601  Average   5400
                                                           2017/18   68837  Average   4917
                                                           2018/19   64114  Average   4580
                                                           2019/20   63569  Average   4541


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 28, 2020, 20:52:56 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT) Nov - Crewe       - 4714 - Sat
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat       Nov - Grimsby     - 4614 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat       Dec - Notts C (FA)- 3448 - Sun
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues     Dec - Forest Green- 4395 - Sat
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat       Dec - Cheltenham - 4723 - Sun
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT) Jan - Stevenage - 4361 - Wed
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Morecambe  - 4656 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat       Jan - Derby C (FA) - 6359 - Fri                 
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Scunny        - 3857 - Tue
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  67,406  Ave 4494 (-1.21%)
 
After FIFTEEN home league games...…    2016/17   80973  Average   5398
                                                           2017/18   74858  Average   4991
                                                           2018/19   68530  Average   4569
                                                           2019/20   67406  Average   4494


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 09, 2020, 09:02:01 am
The first 5000 plus home league crowd since March last season, when the opponents were also Port Vale. Closes the gap on last seasons average, but this season is still a tad lower.

2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT) Nov - Crewe       - 4714 - Sat
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat       Nov - Grimsby     - 4614 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat       Dec - Notts C (FA)- 3448 - Sun
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues     Dec - Forest Green- 4395 - Sat
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat       Dec - Cheltenham - 4723 - Sun
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT) Jan - Stevenage - 4361 - Wed
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Morecambe  - 4656 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat       Jan - Derby C (FA) - 6359 - Fri                 
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Scunny        - 3857 - Tue
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat        Feb - Port Vale      - 5122 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  72,528  Ave 4533 (-0.35%)
 
After SIXTEEN home league games...…    2016/17  85,644  Average  5373
                                                           2017/18   80,119  Average  5007
                                                           2018/19   72,921  Average  4558
                                                           2019/20   72,528  Average  4533


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 09, 2020, 09:16:37 am
Largest League crowd of the season...by a distance.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 11, 2020, 19:59:26 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT) Nov - Crewe       - 4714 - Sat
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat       Nov - Grimsby     - 4614 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat       Dec - Notts C (FA)- 3448 - Sun
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues     Dec - Forest Green- 4395 - Sat
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat       Dec - Cheltenham - 4723 - Sun
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT) Jan - Stevenage - 4361 - Wed
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Morecambe  - 4656 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat       Jan - Derby C (FA) - 6359 - Fri                 
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Scunny        - 3857 - Tue
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat        Feb - Port Vale      - 5122 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat        Feb - Swindon      - 4440 - Tues
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  76,968  Ave 4528 (-0.46%)
 
After SEVENTEEN home league games... 2016/17   90,073  Average  5298
                                                           2017/18   84,823  Average  4990
                                                           2018/19   77,369  Average  4551
                                                           2019/20   76,968  Average  4528


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on February 12, 2020, 08:06:36 am
Largest Tuesday crowd of the season and since our last home game against Swindon in December 2018...FA Cup bounce?
Just need to get the results back on track.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Manwork04 on February 12, 2020, 10:05:49 am
I thought the home support last night was very poor, they had nearly 1400 in a crowd of 5800.
If we were playing attractive football I’m sure it would be more.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest2995 on February 12, 2020, 11:46:10 am
Their support was better than ours last night as well .


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Battery Man on February 12, 2020, 13:25:03 pm
Their support was better than ours last night as well .

I have to disagree with that, I thought the West Stand was in good voice, hardly heard anything from Swindon until they scored.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on February 12, 2020, 17:13:00 pm
Their support was better than ours last night as well .

Rubbish. They hardly uttered a sound until they scored.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: DrillingCobbler on February 12, 2020, 19:08:33 pm
Their support was better than ours last night as well .

Its been said already. I sit in the North stand, towards the east side. All I could hear mainly was the West Stand. Swindon were mute, apart from right at the end.


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: everbrite on February 13, 2020, 10:33:52 am
I have to disagree with that, I thought the West Stand was in good voice, hardly heard anything from Swindon until they scored.


B&S rarely goes to any game unlike his opinion which travels well😄


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on February 22, 2020, 16:22:06 pm
2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT) Nov - Crewe       - 4714 - Sat
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat       Nov - Grimsby     - 4614 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat       Dec - Notts C (FA)- 3448 - Sun
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues     Dec - Forest Green- 4395 - Sat
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat       Dec - Cheltenham - 4723 - Sun
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT) Jan - Stevenage - 4361 - Wed
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Morecambe  - 4656 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat       Jan - Derby C (FA) - 6359 - Fri                 
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Scunny        - 3857 - Tue
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat        Feb - Port Vale      - 5122 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat        Feb - Swindon      - 4440 - Tues
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue        Feb - Exeter         - 4644 - Sat
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  76,968  Ave 4534 (-0.33%)
 
After EIGHTEEN home league games...   2016/17   95,767  Average  5320
                                                           2017/18   90,474  Average  5026
                                                           2018/19   81,911  Average  4551
                                                           2019/20   81,612  Average  4534


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 07, 2020, 18:03:58 pm
So the average this season finally climbs above that of last season, with the second biggest home crowd of the season turning out today. There's still a home Tuesday night game left this season though, there were 4 Saturday crowds for the last 4 games last season......going to be a close run thing!

2016/17                                          2017/18                                             2018/19                                          2019/20
Aug - Fleetwood   - 5048  - Sat         Aug - Fleetwood      - 5021 - Sat          Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat        Aug- Walsall         -4805 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon - 4761  - Sat          Aug - Posh             - 5278 - Sat          Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat         Aug - Macclesfield - 4121- Sat                 
Aug - West Brom-  3967  - Tue (LC)   Aug - Cambridge      - 1310 - Tue (LT) Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat         Aug- Arsenal U21 - 1956 - Tue (LT)
Aug - Wycombe  -  1334  - Tue (LT)   Sep - Doncaster       -  5107 - Sat        Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (LT)  Aug- Plymouth     - 4244 - Sat     
Sep - MK Dons  -   5349  - Sun         Sep - Pompey         -  4702 - Tue         Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat        Sep- Posh            - 1681 - Tue (LT)
Sep - Walsall     -  4937  - Sat          Sep - Bradford        -  5210 - Sat         Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat        Sep - Newport     - 4327 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd  -   6854  - Wed (LC)  Oct - Bristol Rovers -  5080 - Sat         Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues       Sep - Crawley      - 4888 - Sat
Sep - Southend -  5368  - Sat          Oct- AFC Wimbledon - 4805 - Sat         Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat         Oct - L Orient      - 4459 - Sat
Oct - Bristol R -    5645  - Sat          Oct - Blackpool        - 4842 - Sat          Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat         Oct- Salford        - 4735 - Sat
Oct - Millwall      -  5889 - Sat          Nov - Scunny          - 2543 - Sat (FA)   Nov - Crewe           - 4732 - Sat         Oct- Cambridge   - 4527 - Sat
Oct - Bury        -   5457  - Sat          Nov - Southampton - 1065 - Tues (LT)  Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (LT) Nov - Crewe       - 4714 - Sat
Nov - Harrow     -  2935 - Sat (FA)    Nov - Scunny          - 4875 - Sat          Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat       Nov - Grimsby     - 4614 - Sat
Nov - West Ham  - 573 - Tues (LT)    Nov - Bury             -  4640 - Sat          Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat       Dec - Notts C (FA)- 3448 - Sun
Nov - Pish         -  6213 - Sat           Dec - Walsall          -  4661 - Sat           Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues     Dec - Forest Green- 4395 - Sat
Nov - Bolton      - 5754 - Sat            Dec - Blackburn     -  5096 - Sat           Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat       Dec - Cheltenham - 4723 - Sun
Dec - Rochdale  - 4986 - Sat            Jan - Wigan            - 4817 - Mon          Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (LT) Jan - Stevenage - 4361 - Wed
Jan - Bradford   - 4964 - Mon           Jan - Southend       - 4703 - Sat           Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Morecambe  - 4656 - Sat
Jan - Scunny     - 5150 - Sat           Jan - MK Dons         - 6021 - Sat           Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat       Jan - Derby C (FA) - 6359 - Fri                 
Jan - Coventry   - 6080 - Sat           Feb - Rochdale        - 5261 - Sat           Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat        Jan - Scunny        - 3857 - Tue
Feb - Spirerites     - 5372 - Sat        Feb - Gillingham     - 4704 - Tue           Feb - Crawley           - 4458 - Sat        Feb - Port Vale      - 5122 - Sat
Feb - Swindle       - 4671 - Tue        Feb - Oxford           - 5651  - Sat          Mar - Exeter City       - 4542 - Sat        Feb - Swindon      - 4440 - Tues
Feb - Oldham       - 4429 - Tue        Mar - Rotherham    - 4753 - Sat            Mar - AFC Newport    - 3966 - Tue        Feb - Exeter         - 4644 - Sat
Mar - Charlton     -  5694 - Sat        Mar - Shrewsbury   - 4173 - Tue            Mar- Port Vale           - 5251 - Sat        Feb - Mansfield    - 4899 - Sat
Mar - Vale           -  4564 - Tue        Mar - Charlton       - 5208 - Sat             Apr - Mansfield          - 4440 - Sat
Mar - Oxford        - 6035 - Sat        Apr - Plymouth      - 5416 - Sat              Apr - Macclesfield      - 4642 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield U   - 5969  - Sat       May - Oldham       - 5058 - Sat              Apr - Yeovil               - 4591 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury  - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham    - 5980 - Sun

Home League Attendance by season  2016/17  123,850 Ave 5385   2017/18  115,082  Ave 5004    2018/19  104,631   Ave 4549    2019/20  86,511  Ave 4553 (+0.09%)
 
After EIGHTEEN home league games...   2016/17  100,331  Average 5281
                                                           2017/18   95,227  Average  5012
                                                           2018/19   85,877  Average  4520
                                                           2019/20   86,511  Average  4553


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Brixworth Claret on April 07, 2023, 12:35:46 pm
Have been wondering where this topic has been for a while and just travelled back to pre-covid where it was last updated then obviously not required for some time after.

Would anybody be interested in this coming back?


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: Larry on April 07, 2023, 13:50:57 pm


B&S rarely goes to any game unlike his opinion which travels well😄

Well, that gave me a laugh for starters


Title: Re: Disappearing Punters?
Post by: guest3551 on April 07, 2023, 17:41:07 pm
Have been wondering where this topic has been for a while and just travelled back to pre-covid where it was last updated then obviously not required for some time after.

Would anybody be interested in this coming back?

No.