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Title: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on January 21, 2014, 12:28:42 pm
Could this be the one we're waiting for. Justin Edinburgh is now 4th favorite for Cobblers job.   


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Ryan Amoo 14 on January 21, 2014, 12:31:27 pm
Could this be the one we're waiting for. Justin Edinburgh is now 4th favorite for Cobblers job.   

Now that is interesting.

Nicely covers the doomsday scenario too (having recently got Newport promoted out of the conf).


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Bingers on January 21, 2014, 12:42:32 pm
And CC as Director of Football?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bungle on January 21, 2014, 13:23:47 pm
Now that would be an appointment which would excite me.



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on January 21, 2014, 13:26:31 pm
And CC as Director of Football?

Cant see that materialising - could be a clash of personalities ???


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on January 21, 2014, 13:26:48 pm
And CC as Director of Football?

 For what it's worth, I would prefer CC. as manager.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 21, 2014, 13:31:25 pm
With them working/playing together at Spuds?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: lordjord on January 21, 2014, 13:34:57 pm
Done a great job at Newport, plays an exciting brand of football. Would be a positive appointment in my eyes.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dan on January 21, 2014, 13:43:47 pm
This would be great news if true.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 21, 2014, 13:48:47 pm
From small specks and acorns another rumour is formed...  ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: North_East_Cobbler on January 21, 2014, 13:55:23 pm
This would be great news if true.

Didn't he turn down Portsmouth just a few weeks back? If he turned them down I can't see him coming to us


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest47 on January 21, 2014, 13:56:08 pm
Cant see that materialising - could be a clash of personalities ???

It would also mean the player budget is spent on those two alone.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 21, 2014, 14:10:44 pm
Ince?  >:D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Mistical on January 21, 2014, 14:12:30 pm
Why would he come here? Newport are a couple of points off the play-offs, we're bottom...


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dan on January 21, 2014, 14:12:42 pm
Didn't he turn down Portsmouth just a few weeks back? If he turned them down I can't see him coming to us

That's a good point. End of rumour/ guesswork  ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on January 21, 2014, 14:12:49 pm
Would be more than happy if this was the big secret....even if we go down he will be well versed as to how to get out the Conference

Perhaps with AK as DOF/chief scout (cheaper option than CC)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Razor on January 21, 2014, 14:32:29 pm
Let's face it none of us have a clue.

DC and the Board included.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 21, 2014, 15:11:46 pm
Contracted to Newport until the summer of 2016 aftewr signing an extension back in October......he'd be very expensive!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on January 21, 2014, 15:33:01 pm
Chris Wilder now appears on Sky bet, so some money must have been put on him too. 


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 21, 2014, 15:41:42 pm
 No, nay ,never.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Trotty on January 21, 2014, 15:59:24 pm
Neither seem very likely.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: IwishIwasafly on January 21, 2014, 16:03:23 pm
Justin Edinburgh can't even manage to inspire a team to beat us lately  :D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on January 22, 2014, 03:51:54 am
Why is there an obsession with employing a Director of Football?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Bingers on January 22, 2014, 16:43:38 pm
Why is there an obsession with employing a Director of Football?

So we have a Director who knows something about football?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 22, 2014, 16:46:40 pm
So we have a Director who knows something about football?

 ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest47 on January 22, 2014, 17:26:56 pm
Why is there an obsession with employing a Director of Football?

I agree, I always thought it was a way of running down a contract of a manager that had been at a club for a while and they wanted to get rid of him without creating too much fuss. He would then be given a desk in the far corner until no-one noticed he was still around and quietly binned.

Or are people confusing Director of Football with Assistant Manager?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Clint on January 22, 2014, 17:29:41 pm
Let's face it none of us have a clue.
DC and the Board included.
Absolutely. And the Chron and the Trust


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 23, 2014, 13:18:37 pm
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/football/latest/10958102.UPDATED__Newport_County_boss_Justin_Edinburgh_confirms_he_was_approached_by_Northampton_Town/


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: threeinabed on January 23, 2014, 13:27:19 pm
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/football/latest/10958102.UPDATED__Newport_County_boss_Justin_Edinburgh_confirms_he_was_approached_by_Northampton_Town/

and not through the right channels

shame for us


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: riverstone cowboy on January 23, 2014, 14:48:24 pm
Newport County boss Justin Edinburgh turns down approach over Northampton Town manager's job

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/all-about/justin%20edinburgh


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: NTFC Nut on January 23, 2014, 19:06:38 pm
Sounds like he was tapped up. Could we get a fine / transfer ban for this? As there are precedents for handing down either of these as a punishment in such circumstances. A fine would be terrible, a transfer embargo would be catastrophic.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 23, 2014, 19:29:51 pm
Sounds like he was tapped up. Could we get a fine / transfer ban for this? As there are precedents for handing down either of these as a punishment in such circumstances. A fine would be terrible, a transfer embargo would be catastrophic.

It depends. Does being asked a general question about whether you'd fancy 'the job', by someone you used to work with, and who isn't employed by the club, constitute a tapping up? I'd say not, personally.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 23, 2014, 19:34:22 pm
It depends. Does being asked a general question about whether you'd fancy 'the job', by someone you used to work with, and who isn't employed by the club, constitute a tapping up? I'd say not, personally.

Intriguing!! Who do you think asked him then?

The other side of the coin would be if someone high up in the club actually rang him or spoke to him face to face offering him the job with a salary of xx on a x year contract. That certainly would constitute an illegal approach.

At the end of the day it's down to the Newport board now. They may decide to report NTFC, they may not, that's even if it was an illegal approach!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on January 23, 2014, 19:51:23 pm
I've just read the piece in the South Wales Argus who believe that the only contact was from a person with links to, but not employed by NTFC, and who used to be a teammate of Justin's.

So in that case....nothing illegal!

Does however beg the question, we have approached someone officially...but whom?!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on January 23, 2014, 20:07:34 pm
Embarrassing.

Feel for AK, vote of no confidence.

Shame on the club if true, smacks of being underhand

And would appear we are no further forward.

Whose decision was it to terminate KA's contract and who is the replacement before Saturday.

Lots of questions and no answers DC?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 23, 2014, 20:08:47 pm
Intriguing!! Who do you think asked him then?

The other side of the coin would be if someone high up in the club actually rang him or spoke to him face to face offering him the job with a salary of xx on a x year contract. That certainly would constitute an illegal approach.

At the end of the day it's down to the Newport board now. They may decide to report NTFC, they may not, that's even if it was an illegal approach!

It WAS an ex-spurs teammate :-X


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest49 on January 23, 2014, 20:10:11 pm
He's been interviewed and in the words of Ant and Dec "It's not you"


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 23, 2014, 20:10:47 pm
Embarrassing.

Feel for AK, vote of no confidence.

Shame on the club if true, smacks of being underhand

And would appear we are no further forward.

Whose decision was it to terminate KA's contract and who is the replacement before Saturday.

Lots of questions and no answers DC?

The whole thing is a shambles >:(


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on January 23, 2014, 20:14:07 pm
And if it's Calderwood after this, that just shows panic!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on January 23, 2014, 21:00:20 pm
It depends. Does being asked a general question about whether you'd fancy 'the job', by someone you used to work with, and who isn't employed by the club, constitute a tapping up? I'd say not, personally.

If you look at the write up in the South Wales Argus it gets a bit vague on facts, then it appears as you say an ex Playing Colleague "approached him"(JE)
- under what circumstances though, chance meeting, phone call or Pub? I have a feeling that big Dave might be rubbing his hands in anticipation of .................
Not sure of JE's part in all this - why didn't he report to his BoD first rather than break it to local media. Best to let BoD deal with the situation first.
Is he in it for other reasons?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 23, 2014, 21:03:03 pm
When did this 'approach' take place?


Title: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Lanakings on January 13, 2017, 04:12:30 am
 :)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: ajp on January 13, 2017, 05:20:13 am
?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest170 on January 13, 2017, 06:16:25 am
Someone put a fiver on him and he's the latest favourite with Bet Victor!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on January 13, 2017, 06:26:26 am

I hope not.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest170 on January 13, 2017, 06:38:20 am
I hope not.
Odds on too. Must be a done deal!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: the chief on January 13, 2017, 07:09:37 am
Yep,
how did you know?
Do you have inside info Lana :)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 13, 2017, 07:21:13 am
Theres a strong case for this chap.

Did an excellent job at R&D before moving to Newport and doing an excellent job there too, taking them into the football league and up to the play off positions of league2 before being head hunted by Gillingham.

Steadied the ship there, then first full season finished 9th. Only this season have they struggled a bit but no more than ourselves. Clearly suffered from the '2 year itch' there..

Im not saying I would be overwhelmed by his appointment but we could end up with far worse (on paper). At the end of the day, he's been a manager for a fair few years and never been relegated or even nearly relegated. In many ways he would be a Wilder-esque type appointment.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Clint on January 13, 2017, 07:28:24 am
According to the Daily Mail this morning, he is going to have talks with NTFC ...


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Gen.Disorda on January 13, 2017, 07:54:32 am
Someone put a fiver on him and he's the latest favourite with Bet Victor!

Im going to message KT and find out for sure  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest170 on January 13, 2017, 08:07:19 am
Im going to message KT and find out for sure  ;D ;D
It was KT who put the money on then having a laugh reading these forums!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Lanakings on January 13, 2017, 08:25:24 am
That's illegal


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: rebelspawn on January 13, 2017, 08:30:13 am
That's illegal

serious question - is it illegal if you put the money on the wrong guy deliberately though? there is no financial gain then. In fact you are giving your money away


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 13, 2017, 08:32:18 am
serious question - is it illegal if you put the money on the wrong guy deliberately though? there is no financial gain then. In fact you are giving your money away
No


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Lanakings on January 13, 2017, 08:38:49 am
serious question - is it illegal if you put the money on the wrong guy deliberately though? there is no financial gain then. In fact you are giving your money away

Yes because you could be spread betting.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 13, 2017, 08:52:13 am
Yes because you could be spread betting.
That is incorrect as a betting industry worker,racehorse owner and registered owner with the bha the only illegal practice would be laying(backing against my own horse to lose) this is illegal and you are rightly warned off or can face prison.
On exchanges and on the racecourse I've seen multiple episodes of horses being backed (£50,£20,£10) on a 10/1 shot in order to start a mini gamble.
The favourite is then pushed out from 2/1 to 3/1 before proper bets say £250/£500 are put on.

Another common practice is for bookmakers to shorten a horse they know has no chance of winning just to start a gamble and take mug punters money.
Both practices are unethical but not illegal.
Laying your own horse to make money and then telling the jockey to pull it up most certainly is!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest170 on January 13, 2017, 09:15:06 am
That's illegal
Can i just check, you do know I was joking right?!

It was Mike Wailing!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JamieNTFC on January 13, 2017, 09:19:45 am
For anyone involved in professional football to bet on anything football related is illegal I thought, could be wrong though so apologies of wrong!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: rebelspawn on January 13, 2017, 09:41:05 am
For anyone involved in professional football to bet on anything football related is illegal I thought, could be wrong though so apologies of wrong!

it is against FA rules for any player or staff to bet on football, but i am not sure that is illegal in itself.

Match fixing, or betting based on inside knowledge for financial gain would be illegal for sure. I am curious as to whether it could be classed as illegal if you deliberately backed the wrong man/team based on inside information, just for fun, as the previous post suggested.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Ryan Amoo 14 on January 13, 2017, 09:52:48 am
it is against FA rules for any player or staff to bet on football, but i am not sure that is illegal in itself.

Match fixing, or betting based on inside knowledge for financial gain would be illegal for sure. I am curious as to whether it could be classed as illegal if you deliberately backed the wrong man/team based on inside information, just for fun, as the previous post suggested.

Definitely not.  It's manipulation of a free-market but nothing more and happens frequently in many forms of trading/bookmaking.  Not to be confused with price-fixing which is illegal.





Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: MK_Cobbler on January 13, 2017, 10:35:41 am
Feck me, I've just spent a few minutes read the first couple of pages of this thread. Completely confused!!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JamieNTFC on January 13, 2017, 10:39:20 am
Feck me, I've just spent a few minutes read the first couple of pages of this thread. Completely confused!!!

I did the same  ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Lanakings on January 13, 2017, 10:43:42 am
I did the same  ;D
some muppet merge them with an old one from years ago,
so i started a new one


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: the chief on January 13, 2017, 10:49:05 am
That explains it,
it was confusing.

Almost like someone was trying to bury the news :)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: WasRambo on January 13, 2017, 12:57:21 pm
Not confusing if you read the dates posted.

No more annoying than having multiple threads on the same topic.....



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dr Feelgood on January 13, 2017, 16:04:02 pm
Confirmed

Welcome Justin


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on January 13, 2017, 16:14:15 pm
Welcome Justin, may your stay be a happy, long & successful one. Good luck! 


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: super-si on January 13, 2017, 16:19:47 pm
Good Luck Justin Edinburgh! At the end of the day, he has had some good success...and after an indifferent spell at the Gills, hopefully we can all move forward together at Cobblers! Worth a :)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bungle on January 13, 2017, 16:37:36 pm
I wanted him a few years ago but part of me questions why we've gone for someone whose former team is below us in the table with an inferior goal difference.

Hopefully the beginning of this season has been a blip in an otherwise promising career.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Bingers on January 13, 2017, 16:56:20 pm
I think it is a good plan for him not to take charge until Scunny is out of the way.  Give the new manager effect an effective time to work.  Hit the ground running having watched Saturday's game from the stands.

Welcome Justin.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest170 on January 13, 2017, 17:04:41 pm
I wanted him a few years ago but part of me questions why we've gone for someone whose former team is below us in the table with an inferior goal difference.

Hopefully the beginning of this season has been a blip in an otherwise promising career.
Look at their results last season, one of the highest scorers last year. Time will tell!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 13, 2017, 17:05:02 pm
I think it's a good plan for him not to take charge,full stop.
Whose advice is KT taking for these appointments?
Barry fry.
I'm a season ticket holder and il buy one next season to help the club but I honestly can't see me taking in many matches with JE in charge.
I hate to say it but I'd rather have stuck with page.
Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Just look at all the successful signings he made for gillingham this season......
We are letting this man loose with cash.....
Who on Earth is KT trying to kid.



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 13, 2017, 17:07:38 pm
I think it's a good plan for him not to take charge,full stop.
Whose advice is KT taking for these appointments?
Barry fry.
I'm a season ticket holder and il buy one next season to help the club but I honestly can't see me taking in many matches with JE in charge.
I hate to say it but I'd rather have stuck with page.
Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Just look at all the successful signings he made for gillingham this season......
We are letting this man loose with cash.....
Who on Earth is KT trying to kid.



HaHa, here we go.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Alfred on January 13, 2017, 17:09:35 pm
I think it's a good plan for him not to take charge,full stop.
Whose advice is KT taking for these appointments?
Barry fry.
I'm a season ticket holder and il buy one next season to help the club but I honestly can't see me taking in many matches with JE in charge.
I hate to say it but I'd rather have stuck with page.
Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Just look at all the successful signings he made for gillingham this season......
We are letting this man loose with cash.....
Who on Earth is KT trying to kid.



Come on .... how much did u loose at the bookies ? 


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 13, 2017, 17:13:09 pm
HaHa, here we go.
Well then which players did he sign that made gillingham soooo good that they are below us in the league??
Il still put money in the coffers but I do reserve the right whether to attend to watch a load of old tripe that will be dished up.
Gillingham must be pissing themselves.....

He didn't sign anyone decent for them before getting sacked so maybe that's one of the mistakes he refers to.
I imagine that he'll suddenly recognise a decent player now he's here.
Pull the other one.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 13, 2017, 17:15:56 pm
Come on .... how much did u loose at the bookies ? 

Bugger all but may I suggest that if we are 16/1 to go down then lump on.
We are bound to trade shorter than that in a few weeks and you can lay off and lock in a profit.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 13, 2017, 17:19:16 pm
Well then which players did he sign that made gillingham soooo good that they are below us in the league??
Il still put money in the coffers but I do reserve the right whether to attend to watch a load of old tripe that will be dished up.
Gillingham must be pissing themselves.....

He didn't sign anyone decent for them before getting sacked so maybe that's one of the mistakes he refers to.
I imagine that he'll suddenly recognise a decent player now he's here.
Pull the other one.

Knock yourself out mate, some people are naturally negative, that's fine.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 13, 2017, 17:21:12 pm
The reputations of managers changes like the weather. Not long ago when Alan Pardew was doing well at Crystal Palace the media were mentioning him as the next England manager. You know what happened next.

Give our new man a chance before rushing to condemn.  


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Another Pedj on January 13, 2017, 17:21:30 pm
I think it's a good plan for him not to take charge,full stop.
Whose advice is KT taking for these appointments?
Barry fry.
I'm a season ticket holder and il buy one next season to help the club but I honestly can't see me taking in many matches with JE in charge.
I hate to say it but I'd rather have stuck with page.
Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Just look at all the successful signings he made for gillingham this season......
We are letting this man loose with cash.....
Who on Earth is KT trying to kid.



That's fine.

You have been hankering for months as your mates were not given control of the club for nothing.

Bye bye



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 13, 2017, 17:23:14 pm
That's fine.

You have been hankering for months as your mates were not given control of the club for nothing.

Bye bye


I think you've got the wrong person.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Another Pedj on January 13, 2017, 17:25:39 pm
Don't think so


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 13, 2017, 17:31:02 pm
The reputations of managers changes like the weather. Not long ago when Alan Pardew was doing well at Crystal Palace the media were mentioning him as the next England manager. You know what happened next.

Give our new man a chance before rushing to condemn.  
Has he ever been successful at this level....No
Did he sign anyone decent for gillingham this season....No
Has he joined from a more successful/higher placed club....No

Jackett,Adkins,JFH,BmcD
All good managers,all higher league experience,some with league one winning experience.....

I know who fits the bill Justin edinborough.
Let's just sit back and read this post again and then tell me we have chosen the best man for the job.
If I wasn't laughing I'd cry.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 13, 2017, 17:34:00 pm
Don't think so
Il help you.
You've got the wrong person,I knew no one who was interested in taking over the club and have no links to any previous ex chairman who may have been interested in buying the club.

Have a look back and see if you can find out where you've got confused.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 13, 2017, 17:40:56 pm
Has he ever been successful at this level....No
Did he sign anyone decent for gillingham this season....No
Has he joined from a more successful/higher placed club....No

Jackett,Adkins,JFH,BmcD
All good managers,all higher league experience,some with league one winning experience.....

I know who fits the bill Justin edinborough.
Let's just sit back and read this post again and then tell me we have chosen the best man for the job.
If I wasn't laughing I'd cry.


As usual you have taken only the negative points, which might all be true so far.

However, he has consistently improved teams performances upon arrival, look at the teams when he arrived to when he left, all improved. Also, look at the teams league position when he left them (particularly Newport) and look at them now. Also, last season, Gillingham scored 71 goals in 46 league games.

Always more than one side to a story, I'm happy to wait and see how things go.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Saint Cobbler on January 13, 2017, 17:41:44 pm
Could we have Dack and Emmanuel-Thomas now please Justin?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 13, 2017, 17:49:13 pm
A Gills fans view of Edinburgh

https://jamieduncanblogs.wordpress.com/


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bungle on January 13, 2017, 17:53:48 pm
Has he ever been successful at this level....No
Did he sign anyone decent for gillingham this season....No
Has he joined from a more successful/higher placed club....No

Jackett,Adkins,JFH,BmcD
All good managers,all higher league experience,some with league one winning experience.....


Whilst I would have preferred some of the names you've mentioned (Jackett was my choice), I don't quite share the full extent of your pessimism.

Despite what you say, his Gillingham side outplayed us - and won - at Priestfield earlier this season and Edinburgh had a decent season at this level last year. They were in the play-off hunt last year before an injury crisis hit and they've had some serious injuries this year too.

I'm confident that he will prove to more intelligent, more tactically astute and better in the transfer market than Page (the signing of Jay Emmanuel Thomas who won the match for them last year being one example). My main concern with him is that his teams seem to ship an alarming amount of goals, something which proved Page's downfall despite people bemoaning his 'defensive' style.

Whether he has the long-term vision necessary to establish us as a force at this level remains to be seen. For now, he deserves our vociferous support.






Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 13, 2017, 17:57:22 pm
As usual you have taken only the negative points, which might all be true so far.

However, he has consistently improved teams performances upon arrival, look at the teams when he arrived to when he left, all improved. Also, look at the teams league position when he left them (particularly Newport) and look at them now. Also, last season, Gillingham scored 71 goals in 46 league games.

Always more than one side to a story, I'm happy to wait and see how things go.
The negative points which are all true
I want him to be a success at my club and I hope he keeps us up.
I'm not sitting on the fence,I don't rate him and I think it's an awful appointment.

Do I want him to do well
Of course I do.

Do I think he will
No



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Alfred on January 13, 2017, 18:03:09 pm

Jackett,Adkins,JFH,BmcD
All good managers,all higher league experience,some with league one winning experience.....


But none of them wanted the job,

JE is a solid L1 appointment.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 13, 2017, 18:20:31 pm
The negative points which are all true
I want him to be a success at my club and I hope he keeps us up.
I'm not sitting on the fence,I don't rate him and I think it's an awful appointment.

Do I want him to do well
Of course I do.

Do I think he will
No



Fair enough.

What do you see as success/failure this season and next.

I would say, this season, success keeping us up, failure relegation
Next season, success top half finish. Failure, relegation battle or relegation.
Small steps.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Baldy on January 13, 2017, 18:27:23 pm
Andy who runs the shop near me in The Gem Of The Norfolk Coast is a season ticket holder at Gillingham. He was happy that Edinburgh had been sacked when I talked to him last weekend. Doesn't rate him at all. Said he started off well but other teams sussed them out and Edinburgh had no plan B. Obviously we didn't suss them out but most other teams have.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: MikeElderton on January 13, 2017, 18:31:02 pm
Never mind all that. This ruins the JJOT song  :(


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Wolvo on January 13, 2017, 18:50:51 pm
Weren't my first choice - but happy with this appointment. Hopefully he'll bring in some much needed professionalism and behind the scenes personnel.

Baffled as to why Shoemaker is so anti Edinburgh  ;D Probably because he was the only available manager he didn't have 'inside knowledge' on  ;D ;D

We've got O'Toole
John Joe O'Toole
I just don't think you understand
He's Edinburgh's man
He owns a caravan
We've got John Joe O'Toole.

Sounds much better than Rob Page....


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2017, 18:53:52 pm

Despite what you say, his Gillingham side outplayed us - and won - at Priestfield earlier this season and Edinburgh had a decent season at this level last year. support.

I think that your comment of "outplayed us" is hardly fair or even accurate. We had sufficient chances to win the game up to the 75th Minute; for the remainder of the game Gillingham were in the ascendancy. Even then it took a monumental error from of our players to gift then the winner. I appreciate the temptation to bolster your argument in support of JE, but imo your comments are misleading.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Tom on January 13, 2017, 18:58:59 pm
Has he ever been successful at this level....No
Did he sign anyone decent for gillingham this season....No
Has he joined from a more successful/higher placed club....No

Jackett,Adkins,JFH,BmcD
All good managers,all higher league experience,some with league one winning experience.....

I know who fits the bill Justin edinborough.
Let's just sit back and read this post again and then tell me we have chosen the best man for the job.
If I wasn't laughing I'd cry.


It doesn't really matter though does it? He's here, get behind him.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 13, 2017, 18:59:19 pm
I don't see why Shoey is getting slated. Fair play to him for offering up an opinion up front. He's just saying he's not impressed with the appointment. He's still wishing the bloke the best and hoping to be proved wrong.  You're like a pack of fcuking wolves.

Personally I'm looking forward to a bit of football being played and hope Edinburgh brings that. I'm happy to see how it goes.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: NaggerPagger on January 13, 2017, 19:02:45 pm
Good luck to him he's going to need it if that's the support he gets from some of our own fans.

I'm hoping it works out for him, the club and most importantly us as as fans.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: REDLETTER on January 13, 2017, 19:34:06 pm
Lets go full force and get behind him until the end of the season,songs please..love that bit.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2017, 19:46:24 pm
I don't see why Shoey is getting slated. Fair play to him for offering up an opinion up front. He's just saying he's not impressed with the appointment. He's still wishing the bloke the best and hoping to be proved wrong.  You're like a pack of fcuking wolves.

Personally I'm looking forward to a bit of football being played and hope Edinburgh brings that. I'm happy to see how it goes.

I am surprised that you cannot quite understand why Shoey is being criticized for his comments which are mostly viewed on here as anti JE. I can appreciate Shoey's views; unfortunately he (Shoey) comes across in a somewhat churlish manner. Its almost as Alfred says he has lost some money with the Bookies. He would have done better to welcome JE in the first instance and then added a few caveats. So in summary he comes across as a negative supporter, which is why he is being slated.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: andycobbler on January 13, 2017, 19:58:41 pm
I am surprised that you cannot quite understand why Shoey is being criticized for his comments which are mostly viewed on here as anti JE. I can appreciate Shoey's views; unfortunately he (Shoey) comes across in a somewhat churlish manner. Its almost as Alfred says he has lost some money with the Bookies. He would have done better to welcome JE in the first instance and then added a few caveats. So in summary he comes across as a negative supporter, which is why he is being slated.

Sit on the fence and wait and see which is what I'm doing and fingers crossed he does well for us.

Welcome JE.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Tabasco Kid on January 13, 2017, 20:03:24 pm
The negative points which are all true
I want him to be a success at my club and I hope he keeps us up.
I'm not sitting on the fence,I don't rate him and I think it's an awful appointment.
OK mate, you are entitled to your opinion, but I would prefer to give the guy a chance.




Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 13, 2017, 20:14:44 pm
This game and the parts that surround the game are not designed to attract 100% agreement from all of the people all of the time. It's all about opinions.
There are many examples during the lifetime of this board that those with the opinions in the minority have been hounded, abused and offended by the majority to an extent that is sometimes unacceptable.
This board, as described below, promotes arguments, discussions and differences of opinions as long as they do not deteriorate into personal threats, cause offence and/or descend into abuse.
To enable this board to continue to have healthy debate from both/various sides of opinions everyone must be able to acknowledge and accept that others do not necessarily agree with the opinion or point of view that they personally hold.
Professional Wind Up Merchants excepted of course...


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bri77 on January 13, 2017, 20:32:09 pm
I think it's a good plan for him not to take charge,full stop.
Whose advice is KT taking for these appointments?
Barry fry.
I'm a season ticket holder and il buy one next season to help the club but I honestly can't see me taking in many matches with JE in charge.
I hate to say it but I'd rather have stuck with page.
Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Just look at all the successful signings he made for gillingham this season......
We are letting this man loose with cash.....
Who on Earth is KT trying to kid.



Agree with some of that, seems a bit extreme but the bit about Page, come on I'd rather have Clarence in charge than him so we still have an upgrade


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on January 13, 2017, 20:41:31 pm
This game and the parts that surround the game are not designed to attract 100% agreement from all of the people all of the time. It's all about opinions.
There are many examples during the lifetime of this board that those with the opinions in the minority have been hounded, abused and offended by the majority to an extent that is sometimes unacceptable.
This board, as described below, promotes arguments, discussions and differences of opinions as long as they do not deteriorate into personal threats, cause offence and/or descend into abuse.
To enable this board to continue to have healthy debate from both/various sides of opinions everyone must be able to acknowledge and accept that others do not necessarily agree with the opinion or point of view that they personally hold.
Professional Wind Up Merchants excepted of course...

Nobody would disagree with your comments; of course personal threats are deplorable and the aggressor should always be disciplined. I hope that those who handed out unmerited abuse to Cobblers78 recently take note of your comments.

                


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on January 13, 2017, 20:56:02 pm
Nobody would disagree with your comments; of course personal threats are deplorable and the aggressor should always be disciplined. I hope that those who handed out unmerited abuse to Cobblers78 recently take note of your comments.

                

Come off it nevers, cobblers78 deserved a lot of the stick he got and gave it back equally!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: southofthecounty on January 13, 2017, 21:01:25 pm
I'm looking forward to a festival of football. Hopefully some of the fringe players will get a chance now. Capital appointment


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 13, 2017, 21:04:24 pm
14/15 months ago when this club was on the verge of oblivion the supporters came together as a unified force for good.

The end result of this 'all in it together' mentality resulted in the points total achieved in May.

Yes, things have been difficult and not gone quite as we may have dreamt they would in L1, but Justin Edinburgh deserves the same 'in it together' spirit again.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 13, 2017, 21:11:00 pm
Come off it nevers, cobblers78 deserved a lot of the stick he got and gave it back equally!

Exactly, happy to fight my corner, but I never cast the first stone. I should never argued with the idiots, they just dragged me down to their level, and (tried to) beat me with experience 😉


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 13, 2017, 21:14:50 pm
I am surprised that you cannot quite understand why Shoey is being criticized for his comments which are mostly viewed on here as anti JE. I can appreciate Shoey's views; unfortunately he (Shoey) comes across in a somewhat churlish manner. Its almost as Alfred says he has lost some money with the Bookies. He would have done better to welcome JE in the first instance and then added a few caveats. So in summary he comes across as a negative supporter, which is why he is being slated.

I don't know why you are surprised. I'll rarely go along to get along.

It's up to him whether or not he welcomes JE. He's not happy with the guy getting the job. He's even explained why. Sounds perfectly fair to me..... Can't see the issue.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 13, 2017, 21:25:44 pm
I am surprised that you cannot quite understand why Shoey is being criticized for his comments which are mostly viewed on here as anti JE. I can appreciate Shoey's views; unfortunately he (Shoey) comes across in a somewhat churlish manner. Its almost as Alfred says he has lost some money with the Bookies. He would have done better to welcome JE in the first instance and then added a few caveats. So in summary he comes across as a negative supporter, which is why he is being slated.
At least you appreciate my views,that's all one can ask.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Patmore on January 14, 2017, 00:50:19 am
Ok, so I'll go along with this and accept that Shoey is willing to give the manager a chance and hopes he will be successful.

However, I would appreciate some clarification on his threat to refuse to use his season ticket. Are you completely boycotting the Edinburgh era before it has even started or not?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 14, 2017, 01:40:10 am
A few reasons why I think he's a good appointment.

1. A 40% win record from a hell of a lot of games.
2. He's intelligent, articulate, very decent guy. I remember listening to his interviews on Radio Northampton when he was manager of the village idiots and thinking that Id like him to be our manager. Always sounded impressive.
3. He finished above one of the much coveted candidates (Adkins) last season in this league. With a considerably smaller budget. For those who would have welcomed Adkins above him, based on the last full season Im not sure why?!
4. 3 years of excellent management of R&D. 2.5 years of superb progress at Newport County, taking them from 22nd in Conference to 6th in league2. 1.5 years of 'Stuart Gray' progress at Gillingham.
5. He's only had half of season of 'failure' in on his CV. And that failure was lower mid table this season at Gillingham prior to being fired.
6. He's 47. Young for a manager. I believe he will be 100% motivated to come back from his first managerial set back and learn from any mistakes he may have made.
7. He's never been close to being relegated!

My biggest concern with Adkins was that he is on a downward spiral. His record in the last 3 years has been sketchy to say the least. Prior to that, whilst he did a superb job at Southampton, he did so on a huge budget relative to league1 rivals, and built up a momentum. No body can dispute his achievements at Colchester though. Im also not sure how motivated he would have been having 'been there done it' so to speak.

Jackett on the face of it was the perfect candidate, but again he's managed far bigger clubs than us, notably Wolves. Again, how motivated would he have been? He certainly didn't last long at Rotherham, we don't know the reasons why he left so suddenly. That concerned me.

So all in all I think JE is a very decent recruit. He might not be 'the name' some wished to have. But lets face it, he's a good fit 'on paper'. Im happy and look forward to the coming months. It may work out, it *might not. But that would have been the case with anybody. We go again!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2934 on January 14, 2017, 01:57:24 am
I think some peoples expectations need tempering a little especially with the costs involved with hiring some of the previous names mentioned. One minute it's "where's the cash coming from?" next they want KT to spend unrealistic money on a big name manager?

Justin knows and understands this place, the Town, and will fit in a whole lot better than Page did.

"I know how much the Northampton Town supporters get behind their team and I have experienced some fantastic atmospheres at Sixfields as an opposing manager, and hopefully we can work together to enjoy some good times." JE

He also had the sense to see through Cardoza, he turned him down not the club, so smarter than a few here.

The very best of luck Justin, and any of you lucky enough to attend today stand up, applaud the man and the team.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: cobbler150 on January 14, 2017, 03:13:36 am
A few reasons why I think he's a good appointment.

1. A 40% win record from a hell of a lot of games.
2. He's intelligent, articulate, very decent guy. I remember listening to his interviews on Radio Northampton when he was manager of the village idiots and thinking that Id like him to be our manager. Always sounded impressive.
3. He finished above one of the much coveted candidates (Adkins) last season in this league. With a considerably smaller budget. For those who would have welcomed Adkins above him, based on the last full season Im not sure why?!
4. 3 years of excellent management of R&D. 2.5 years of superb progress at Newport County, taking them from 22nd in Conference to 6th in league2. 1.5 years of 'Stuart Gray' progress at Gillingham.
5. He's only had half of season of 'failure' in on his CV. And that failure was lower mid table this season at Gillingham prior to being fired.
6. He's 47. Young for a manager. I believe he will be 100% motivated to come back from his first managerial set back and learn from any mistakes he may have made.
7. He's never been close to being relegated!

My biggest concern with Adkins was that he is on a downward spiral. His record in the last 3 years has been sketchy to say the least. Prior to that, whilst he did a superb job at Southampton, he did so on a huge budget relative to league1 rivals, and built up a momentum. No body can dispute his achievements at Colchester though. Im also not sure how motivated he would have been having 'been there done it' so to speak.

Jackett on the face of it was the perfect candidate, but again he's managed far bigger clubs than us, notably Wolves. Again, how motivated would he have been? He certainly didn't last long at Rotherham, we don't know the reasons why he left so suddenly. That concerned me.

So all in all I think JE is a very decent recruit. He might not be 'the name' some wished to have. But lets face it, he's a good fit 'on paper'. Im happy and look forward to the coming months. It may work out, it *might not. But that would have been the case with anybody. We go again!

Completely agree about the 'big' named managers being on a downward spiral.
I still would have liked Conway from Lincoln. Cant imagen he would have been expemsive


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: St Edmundsbury Cobbler on January 14, 2017, 05:17:05 am
I've always been a fan of Edinburgh as manager, worked absolute miracles down the road where he didn't even have a pot to piss in and he was my choice when Dozy went for Sammo and had his head turned by the odius Johnson.

He has a very good record and hopefully can get back on track after his set back in Kent.

Welcome to Sixfields Justin.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2539 on January 14, 2017, 06:27:46 am
Completely agree about the 'big' named managers being on a downward spiral.
I still would have liked Conway from Lincoln. Cant imagen he would have been expemsive
You ignore the fact that he has just signed a contract until 2021, so he would be expensive.
Welcome Justin, a realastic appointment with a good track record over his career and motivated to correct the last 5 months hiccup.
Support him, support KT's decision, support our team, support our club!....................especially next Saturday for his first game at the franchised plastic club!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bungle on January 14, 2017, 07:26:48 am
A few reasons why I think he's a good appointment.

1. A 40% win record from a hell of a lot of games.
2. He's intelligent, articulate, very decent guy. I remember listening to his interviews on Radio Northampton when he was manager of the village idiots and thinking that Id like him to be our manager. Always sounded impressive.
3. He finished above one of the much coveted candidates (Adkins) last season in this league. With a considerably smaller budget. For those who would have welcomed Adkins above him, based on the last full season Im not sure why?!
4. 3 years of excellent management of R&D. 2.5 years of superb progress at Newport County, taking them from 22nd in Conference to 6th in league2. 1.5 years of 'Stuart Gray' progress at Gillingham.
5. He's only had half of season of 'failure' in on his CV. And that failure was lower mid table this season at Gillingham prior to being fired.
6. He's 47. Young for a manager. I believe he will be 100% motivated to come back from his first managerial set back and learn from any mistakes he may have made.
7. He's never been close to being relegated!



An excellent and reassuring post. As you say. half of season of relative struggle with an injury hit team does not negate years of success and progression.

In some ways he has a similar profile to Wilder when he got him: success and vast experience in non-league followed by strong progress in league two and a bit of a blip/stagnation. (I wonder if this came into KT's thinking).

I was never convinced that Adkins would have the stomach for the challenge here and Jackett, whilst an excellent candidate on paper, clearly had some unexplained issues at Rotherham.



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on January 14, 2017, 07:48:37 am
A few reasons why I think he's a good appointment.

1. A 40% win record from a hell of a lot of games.
2. He's intelligent, articulate, very decent guy. I remember listening to his interviews on Radio Northampton when he was manager of the village idiots and thinking that Id like him to be our manager. Always sounded impressive.
3. He finished above one of the much coveted candidates (Adkins) last season in this league. With a considerably smaller budget. For those who would have welcomed Adkins above him, based on the last full season Im not sure why?!
4. 3 years of excellent management of R&D. 2.5 years of superb progress at Newport County, taking them from 22nd in Conference to 6th in league2. 1.5 years of 'Stuart Gray' progress at Gillingham.
5. He's only had half of season of 'failure' in on his CV. And that failure was lower mid table this season at Gillingham prior to being fired.
6. He's 47. Young for a manager. I believe he will be 100% motivated to come back from his first managerial set back and learn from any mistakes he may have made.
7. He's never been close to being relegated!

My biggest concern with Adkins was that he is on a downward spiral. His record in the last 3 years has been sketchy to say the least. Prior to that, whilst he did a superb job at Southampton, he did so on a huge budget relative to league1 rivals, and built up a momentum. No body can dispute his achievements at Colchester though. Im also not sure how motivated he would have been having 'been there done it' so to speak.

Jackett on the face of it was the perfect candidate, but again he's managed far bigger clubs than us, notably Wolves. Again, how motivated would he have been? He certainly didn't last long at Rotherham, we don't know the reasons why he left so suddenly. That concerned me.

So all in all I think JE is a very decent recruit. He might not be 'the name' some wished to have. But lets face it, he's a good fit 'on paper'. Im happy and look forward to the coming months. It may work out, it *might not. But that would have been the case with anybody. We go again!
I'd like to dispute Nigel Adkins achievements at Colchester.....he never had any there!!!!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on January 14, 2017, 07:52:03 am
 So we have a new manager, Can I just ask that he has a few games in charge before he gets torn to pieces? He has a good record as a manager, So PEASE give him some time, OUR NEXT GAME WILL BE,  HIS FIRST.PLEASE REMEMBER THAT.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on January 14, 2017, 08:26:50 am
A few reasons why I think he's a good appointment.

1. A 40% win record from a hell of a lot of games.
2. He's intelligent, articulate, very decent guy. I remember listening to his interviews on Radio Northampton when he was manager of the village idiots and thinking that Id like him to be our manager. Always sounded impressive.
3. He finished above one of the much coveted candidates (Adkins) last season in this league. With a considerably smaller budget. For those who would have welcomed Adkins above him, based on the last full season Im not sure why?!
4. 3 years of excellent management of R&D. 2.5 years of superb progress at Newport County, taking them from 22nd in Conference to 6th in league2. 1.5 years of 'Stuart Gray' progress at Gillingham.
5. He's only had half of season of 'failure' in on his CV. And that failure was lower mid table this season at Gillingham prior to being fired.
6. He's 47. Young for a manager. I believe he will be 100% motivated to come back from his first managerial set back and learn from any mistakes he may have made.
7. He's never been close to being relegated!

My biggest concern with Adkins was that he is on a downward spiral. His record in the last 3 years has been sketchy to say the least. Prior to that, whilst he did a superb job at Southampton, he did so on a huge budget relative to league1 rivals, and built up a momentum. No body can dispute his achievements at Colchester though. Im also not sure how motivated he would have been having 'been there done it' so to speak.

Jackett on the face of it was the perfect candidate, but again he's managed far bigger clubs than us, notably Wolves. Again, how motivated would he have been? He certainly didn't last long at Rotherham, we don't know the reasons why he left so suddenly. That concerned me.

So all in all I think JE is a very decent recruit. He might not be 'the name' some wished to have. But lets face it, he's a good fit 'on paper'. Im happy and look forward to the coming months. It may work out, it *might not. But that would have been the case with anybody. We go again!

Just to also add to the above and to back up what my family and friends in Kent are saying. I think most Gillinghma fans really rate JE - They just felt it was time for him to go.

He was very unluncky with injuries this year - Bradley Dack (Their star player - Rated at 2 milion by Scally the chairman) has been injured most of the season as has Bradley Garmston (rated at 500K and possibly their 2nd best player). He bought Lee Martin in over the summer and he was injured for the season without playing a game.

So the above possibly partially accounts for their downturn in form this eyar, alongside the fact he has had no budget to work with. By all accounts the budget at Gillingham is smaller than ours.

He has still managed to attract the likes of Jay Emmanuel Thomas, Jamie O'hara and Paul Konchesky to the club in that time. I have always rated Cody Mcdoanld as a fox in the box type of forward we could do with!

Take JE's record before this season and most people would have bitten his hand off to come here. Hopefully the above will make some realise possibly why Gillingham have struggled this year.

The one critism of my Kent friends has been the quality of the loan replacement for the injured bodies has not been too great - but again this maybe down to budget more than anything else.

I am excited by his appoint tho! 


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: lift tower on January 14, 2017, 08:41:58 am
Welcome JE and good luck. Despite some opinions expressed on here EVERYONE wants you to succeed.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 14, 2017, 09:02:07 am
We do wish JE the greatest success. If he can get us on the "front foot" and out of this ultra defensive mind-set I will be happy.  He wasn't my preferred choice but I recognise that you can only buy what you can afford.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 14, 2017, 09:06:33 am
You ignore the fact that he has just signed a contract until 2021, so he would be expensive.
Welcome Justin, a realastic appointment with a good track record over his career and motivated to correct the last 5 months hiccup.
Support him, support KT's decision, support our team, support our club!....................especially next Saturday for his first game at the franchised plastic club!

He's signed a 2 and a half year contract, this runs til July 2019.....where are you getting 2021 from?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on January 14, 2017, 09:07:10 am
A few reasons why I think he's a good appointment.

1. A 40% win record from a hell of a lot of games.
2. He's intelligent, articulate, very decent guy. I remember listening to his interviews on Radio Northampton when he was manager of the village idiots and thinking that Id like him to be our manager. Always sounded impressive.
3. He finished above one of the much coveted candidates (Adkins) last season in this league. With a considerably smaller budget. For those who would have welcomed Adkins above him, based on the last full season Im not sure why?!
4. 3 years of excellent management of R&D. 2.5 years of superb progress at Newport County, taking them from 22nd in Conference to 6th in league2. 1.5 years of 'Stuart Gray' progress at Gillingham.
5. He's only had half of season of 'failure' in on his CV. And that failure was lower mid table this season at Gillingham prior to being fired.
6. He's 47. Young for a manager. I believe he will be 100% motivated to come back from his first managerial set back and learn from any mistakes he may have made.
7. He's never been close to being relegated!

My biggest concern with Adkins was that he is on a downward spiral. His record in the last 3 years has been sketchy to say the least. Prior to that, whilst he did a superb job at Southampton, he did so on a huge budget relative to league1 rivals, and built up a momentum. No body can dispute his achievements at Colchester though. Im also not sure how motivated he would have been having 'been there done it' so to speak.

Jackett on the face of it was the perfect candidate, but again he's managed far bigger clubs than us, notably Wolves. Again, how motivated would he have been? He certainly didn't last long at Rotherham, we don't know the reasons why he left so suddenly. That concerned me.

So all in all I think JE is a very decent recruit. He might not be 'the name' some wished to have. But lets face it, he's a good fit 'on paper'. Im happy and look forward to the coming months. It may work out, it *might not. But that would have been the case with anybody. We go again!
How is your pal Bertie Précis doing?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on January 14, 2017, 10:47:18 am
He's signed a 2 and a half year contract, this runs til July 2019.....where are you getting 2021 from?

He was responding to the poster who said we should have got Cowley from Lincoln... After he just signed a new deal with them until 2021  ::)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 14, 2017, 11:00:39 am
He was responding to the poster who said we should have got Cowley from Lincoln... After he just signed a new deal with them until 2021  ::)

Indeed he was, apologies.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on January 14, 2017, 11:24:58 am
JE was my preferred option of the list when CW was appointed, he is even more experienced now than he was then...looking forward to seeing how he gets on now, he is the manager of NTFC, he gets my full support.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cobbler78 on January 14, 2017, 11:38:12 am
JE was my preferred option of the list when CW was appointed, he is even more experienced now than he was then...looking forward to seeing how he gets on now, he is the manager of NTFC, he gets my full support.

Snap. He has still only had a short bad patch in a long career.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: wingman on January 14, 2017, 11:43:19 am
We go again...
Best of luck to JE and the players, lets hope the New Year starts for real today for all Cobblers fans.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Patmore on January 14, 2017, 12:37:25 pm
Alan Curbishley was asked who he thought were the top two up and coming British managers at the start of this season. He chose Wilder and Edinburgh.


http://www.just-football.com/2016/08/chris-wilder-justin-edinburgh-best-young-managers-england/


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bungle on January 14, 2017, 17:37:03 pm
Sounds obvious, but Edinburgh's glaring priority is to stop us conceding goals. For all the criticism of Page's style of play, we actually scored a decent amount; it was the other end that was the problem.

So how does JED go about this Herculean task?

Well, IMO the back five is fairly competent for this level. Smith has had a tricky season but he's showing signs of getting to his imperious best and can't be blamed directly for many of the goals. Buchanan is the most consistent and reliable player we have. Diamond has been solid and Nyatanga seems like a classy defender. Right back has been a problem and we definitely miss Moloney but Eardley looks like a competent replacement.

Perhaps JED will bring in a permanent centre back to shore things up and improve on what we already have, but for me the problem lies further afield. Simply put, we aren't defending from the front and we aren't screening the defence effectively enough.

For me, this is what he needs to do:

1. Sign at least one pacey, hard-working striker (or two if he intends to play 4-4-2). Vital in order to provide fresh legs off the bench (something that was yet again missing today) and to stop the opposition building from the back in the last ten minutes. Rico and Revell is a prehistoric strike force for this division.

2. Either stick with Boateng and O'Toole as deep-lying midfielders, or sign someone in the Stephen Dawson mould to do a better job of protecting the back four. McCourt is bang out of form.

3. Sign two proper, hard-working wide players who can press the opposition defensively aswell as providing an attacking threat. Anderson goes missing from games, and Hoskins is best used as an attacking midfielder just behind the striker.

Despite the Bristol Rovers mauling, I don't think we're a million miles away from being a competent side at this level (which is what we were at the beginning of the season). Hopefully, a new manager bounce and a few astute signings will see us get back to our best.






Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 14, 2017, 18:01:45 pm
I take your point and agree with it in the main but you end by saying we are not a million miles away but suggest signing 4/5 new players(presumably starters)
That would suggest to me we are half way to being a decent team.

This transfer window will be a defining moment in not only our season but our history.
Do we have the ambition to acquire the quality needed to compete in this division and stabilise as a league one club with aspirations to push on or fail to bring in the quality and go back down to maintain our lower league yo yo history.

We haven't got long(two weeks) to push the boat out.
I do beleive we have a boat but I'm just hoping it doesn't transpire that it was a dinghy.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Stag on January 14, 2017, 18:19:28 pm
I would also like to add best wishes to JE and hope he is a success

I am intrigued as to what he will do with Matt Taylor, presumably the amongst the highest earners and a player with an excellent career on his cv. 

Will he take the easy route and keep playing him( A contributory factor to Pages downfall ).. the path of least resistance
Or
Drop the most senior player and make a stand which could give everyone a kick up the backside.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on January 14, 2017, 18:23:47 pm
As they said on radio Northampton JED would presumably have wanted assurances on funds to bring players in before he agreed to take the job but having said that I'm not expecting "big names" or big transfer fees to be shelled out. Much more likely as others have pointed out are the likes of mark Byrne who JED has signed 3 times before and isn't getting a game at gillingham - I believe he is a central/right sided midfielder but I have no idea if he is the answer to our problems. Also as an aside  I noticed that wayne hatswell was sitting next to JED so I think it's safe to say he will be part of his managerial team, I wonder if kerslake will come in as his assistant


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on January 14, 2017, 18:29:56 pm
I would also like to add best wishes to JE and hope he is a success

I am intrigued as to what he will do with Matt Taylor, presumably the amongst the highest earners and a player with an excellent career on his cv. 

Will he take the easy route and keep playing him( A contributory factor to Pages downfall ).. the path of least resistance
Or
Drop the most senior player and make a stand which could give everyone a kick up the backside.

I don't object to Taylor starting every week given his record of scoring/assists and with him on the pitch we are always a threat from set-pieces, but his legs have definitely gone and he can't last more than 70 mins and yet he never gets substituted.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on January 14, 2017, 19:35:48 pm
As they said on radio Northampton JED would presumably have wanted assurances on funds to bring players in before he agreed to take the job but having said that I'm not expecting "big names" or big transfer fees to be shelled out. Much more likely as others have pointed out are the likes of mark Byrne who JED has signed 3 times before and isn't getting a game at gillingham - I believe he is a central/right sided midfielder but I have no idea if he is the answer to our problems. Also as an aside  I noticed that wayne hatswell was sitting next to JED so I think it's safe to say he will be part of his managerial team, I wonder if kerslake will come in as his assistant

Ah, Wayne Hatswell, scorer of one of the best own goals EVER!  ;D

https://youtu.be/Lev-Nl9CqXE (https://youtu.be/Lev-Nl9CqXE)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on January 15, 2017, 07:08:39 am
I'd imagine he'd be defensive coach :o


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on January 15, 2017, 08:38:43 am

I am all for ''playing the right way' Just as long as we have a strong defence also..


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 15, 2017, 08:41:06 am
Has he ever been successful at this level....No
Did he sign anyone decent for gillingham this season....No
Has he joined from a more successful/higher placed club....No

Jackett,Adkins,JFH,BmcD
All good managers,all higher league experience,some with league one winning experience.....

I know who fits the bill Justin edinborough.
Let's just sit back and read this post again and then tell me we have chosen the best man for the job.
If I wasn't laughing I'd cry.


Shoey, both of those points could have been leveled at Wilder. Sure, Oxford were sitting higher up the table than us, but they had a history of blowing up on the run-in. So not really a successful higher placed club.

As for Justin Edinburgh, we could (and I emphasize could) be a good fit for each other. His sides have always tried to play decent football, and it's worth noting that the Gills had five players requiring operations before the end of October, which may well account for their slide.
He has a decent track record, and whilst that is no guarantee of anything, I am actually now looking forward to seeing out the rest of this season (hopefully on a high), whereas dragging myself up to Sixfields has been a chore these last few months.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 15, 2017, 10:08:19 am
IMO JE has much to do to steer us clear of relegation. There is a clear lack of pace & creativity in our side.  Take out Taylor's set pieces & Revell's goals and there is not much in the way of points.  I thought that 3 of last season's heroes , JJOT, Richards & Hoskins (he is not a right winger) did not look L1 players. I don't doubt their commitment & energy but that is not enough. Before the JJOT fan club jump on my back he did a few good things yesterday but not over 90 minutes. Then he manages to get booked for once again mouthing off. Not long before he serves a 3 match suspension, probably at a critical time in the season for us.  My view (and this is what this board is all about) is that these 3 players need to be replaced.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest48 on January 15, 2017, 12:28:33 pm
IMO JE has much to do to steer us clear of relegation. There is a clear lack of pace & creativity in our side.  Take out Taylor's set pieces & Revell's goals and there is not much in the way of points.  I thought that 3 of last season's heroes , JJOT, Richards & Hoskins (he is not a right winger) did not look L1 players. I don't doubt their commitment & energy but that is not enough. Before the JJOT fan club jump on my back he did a few good things yesterday but not over 90 minutes. Then he manages to get booked for once again mouthing off. Not long before he serves a 3 match suspension, probably at a critical time in the season for us.  My view (and this is what this board is all about) is that these 3 players need to be replaced.
There are players who need replacing before JJOT and Hoskins, in my opinion Nyatanga is no better the Rod, so why do we play a loan player in front of our own player, the answer under Page was obviously because he signed him and he's Welsh.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: sxcobbler on January 15, 2017, 13:20:24 pm
I wonder if JE will bring in his former assistant, DAVE KERSLAKE, who was also at the Cobblers previously as Assistant to Colin Calderwood. Good Man.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Stag on January 15, 2017, 13:42:08 pm
There are players who need replacing before JJOT and Hoskins, in my opinion Nyatanga is no better the Rod, so why do we play a loan player in front of our own player, the answer under Page was obviously because he signed him and he's Welsh.
Completely agree first goal yesterday Nyatanga ball watches ..Diamond ends up with 2 and picks the wrong 1.  McDonald in for Nyatanga for me too

To even consider replacing Hoskins is laughable he is head and shoulders above the majority...with more improvement to come when played just off Revell


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 15, 2017, 13:50:03 pm
Based on yesterdays team/performance.

Once again, we were more than holding our own at half time against decent opposition. Bristol Rovers and Chesterfield aside, I cannot recall any team outplaying us in the first half of a game this season. Im not including Peterborough away because we didn't pick a proper team.

So for me, the clear issue is (a) game management from the bench & (b) lack of 'equal' options on the bench & (c) continued use of all of our strikers from the off.

1. Sign a winger and a striker. Pace being the main factor needed.
2. Stop playing all of our strikers from the start.
3. Stop playing Rev's and Rico together.
4. Get the squad fit. Forget ball training, they need to go on fcuking hill runs.
 
Wed have a top half team then. Anybody who disputes this, take a look at the half time results. We'd be top6 comfortably.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest48 on January 15, 2017, 14:04:14 pm
4. Get the squad fit. Forget ball training, they need to go on fcuking hill runs.

I think that this has been THE main problem all season, and backs up what Insider says about the training.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest48 on January 15, 2017, 14:10:47 pm
Talking of unfit, does yesterday's ref train with us?, he very rarely went more than 20 yards either side of the half way line, I think that's why he made so many poor decisions, he couldn't keep up with play.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 15, 2017, 14:15:44 pm
For the life of me I struggle to see what Hoskins does to earn the support he does.  There is no end product, only occasionally does he get past a defender and his goals tally is small, too small. The much maligned (at least on this board) Anderson has twice as many goals to his name this season.  Hoskins consistently flatters to deceive.

As for Nyatanga v McDonald I go for the former on the grounds he is a better footballer but accept yesterday was not his best day at the office. You play for your best players and it is irrelevant whether or not the player is a loanee. From what I have seen this season the best centre back pairing is Zakuani & Nyatanga. I wish Zakuani well with his international career but his absences don't help us in our current slide down the league.

It will be interesting to see what JE makes of it all and where the changes are made.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Grove on January 15, 2017, 14:32:04 pm
For the life of me I struggle to see what Hoskins does to earn the support he does.  There is no end product, only occasionally does he get past a defender and his goals tally is small, too small. The much maligned (at least on this board) Anderson has twice as many goals to his name this season.  Hoskins consistently flatters to deceive.

As for Nyatanga v McDonald I go for the former on the grounds he is a better footballer but accept yesterday was not his best day at the office. You play for your best players and it is irrelevant whether or not the player is a loanee. From what I have seen this season the best centre back pairing is Zakuani & Nyatanga. I wish Zakuani well with his international career but his absences don't help us in our current slide down the league.

It will be interesting to see what JE makes of it all and where the changes are made.

Must admit i agree to an extent, Hoskins effort and workrate i second to none, sad though, not enough goals and few assists, and i said yesterday , he drifts down too many blind alleys during a game


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: craigwest on January 15, 2017, 14:33:20 pm
I wonder if JE will bring in his former assistant, DAVE KERSLAKE, who was also at the Cobblers previously as Assistant to Colin Calderwood. Good Man.

Yes, he has.  David Kerslake in, Paul Wilkinson, Paddy Kenny and John Harbin out.

http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/justin-edinburgh-david-kerslake-northampton-town-3521223.aspx

Quote
New Northampton Town manager Justin Edinburgh has made his first appointment to his backroom staff, by bringing in former Nottingham Forest, Watford and Cardiff City coach and assistant manager David Kerslake as his number two.

Quote
As a result of this and further changes to come Paul Wilkinson, Paddy Kenny and John Harbin will leave the club with immediate effect.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on January 15, 2017, 14:49:08 pm
Yes, he has.  David Kerslake in, Paul Wilkinson, Paddy Kenny and John Harbin out.

http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/justin-edinburgh-david-kerslake-northampton-town-3521223.aspx


Good. New broom. Clean sweep. Nobody can say it isn't needed.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Another Pedj on January 15, 2017, 14:53:06 pm
I'm sure someone wrote on here yesterday that we couldn't afford to bring in a new number 2 and we were stuck with the old regime until the end of season. Where do these facts keep coming from?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: just.reading on January 15, 2017, 15:06:46 pm
I'm sure someone wrote on here yesterday that we couldn't afford to bring in a new number 2 and we were stuck with the old regime until the end of season. Where do these facts keep coming from?

(psst don't believe everything you read on the internet)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Grove on January 15, 2017, 15:08:48 pm
(psst don't believe everything you read on the internet)

What ? so Hot russian girls dying to meet you ? not true ?    :'(


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on January 15, 2017, 15:09:47 pm
I'm sure someone wrote on here yesterday that we couldn't afford to bring in a new number 2 and we were stuck with the old regime until the end of season. Where do these facts keep coming from?

It was Insider - he maybe needs to check his 'inside' information.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: threeinabed on January 15, 2017, 15:15:05 pm
It was Insider - he maybe needs to check his 'inside' information.

He goes to training though and knows everything


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on January 15, 2017, 15:18:32 pm
He goes to training though and knows everything

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on January 15, 2017, 15:40:14 pm
Completely agree first goal yesterday Nyatanga ball watches ..Diamond ends up with 2 and picks the wrong 1.  McDonald in for Nyatanga for me too

To even consider replacing Hoskins is laughable he is head and shoulders above the majority...with more improvement to come when played just off Revell

Where you at BR to see McDonalds performance which was abysmal. If you think McDonald is better than Nyatanga good luck to your judgement. IMO Nyatanga's is streets ahead of McDonald. No doubt JE will prove one of us wrong.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on January 15, 2017, 15:47:04 pm
What ? so Hot russian girls dying to meet you ? not true ?    :'(

Surprised at you Grove being misled by Russian totties.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 15, 2017, 15:48:29 pm
IMO

The moment you put this in your post, it immediately loses any credibility.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on January 15, 2017, 16:41:47 pm
The moment you put this in your post, it immediately loses any credibility.

Not sure if many on here have that much credibility; 99.9% of opinions on here are contradicted sooner than later.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bungle on January 15, 2017, 16:42:12 pm
The moment you put this in your post, it immediately loses any credibility.

Yep, so much better when people state a subjective opinion as a cast-iron fact.  ::)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on January 15, 2017, 16:50:10 pm
Yep, so much better when people state a subjective opinion as a cast-iron fact.  ::)

Have to say you are right in this instance!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on January 15, 2017, 17:02:13 pm
Yep, so much better when people state a subjective opinion as a cast-iron fact.  ::)

More fool them...  ;D



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2539 on January 15, 2017, 17:11:38 pm
Based on yesterdays team/performance.

Once again, we were more than holding our own at half time against decent opposition. Bristol Rovers and Chesterfield aside, I cannot recall any team outplaying us in the first half of a game this season. Im not including Peterborough away because we didn't pick a proper team.

So for me, the clear issue is (a) game management from the bench & (b) lack of 'equal' options on the bench & (c) continued use of all of our strikers from the off.

1. Sign a winger and a striker. Pace being the main factor needed.
2. Stop playing all of our strikers from the start.
3. Stop playing Rev's and Rico together.
4. Get the squad fit. Forget ball training, they need to go on fcuking hill runs.
 
Wed have a top half team then. Anybody who disputes this, take a look at the half time results. We'd be top6 comfortably.
ONE and THREE before MK please.

Plus if Hoskins is our best this season, please remind me of the list of quality end products he has produced!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: phil_in_npton on January 15, 2017, 18:42:57 pm
Good Evening!
I would like to wish Justin Edinburgh the best of luck at the Cobblers.
As A Newport County supporter I am forever indebted to him for his part in making a dream come true!
To be at Wembley to watch my little team win promotion back to the football league after 25 years was totally amazing and a memory to cherish forever. Managers come and go, teams move up and down, long term only the fans remain, and those memories of rare success are priceless. Good Luck Justin!

Phil In Npton


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Alfred on January 15, 2017, 19:00:13 pm
Good Evening!
I would like to wish Justin Edinburgh the best of luck at the Cobblers.
As A Newport County supporter I am forever indebted to him for his part in making a dream come true!
To be at Wembley to watch my little team win promotion back to the football league after 25 years was totally amazing and a memory to cherish forever. Managers come and go, teams move up and down, long term only the fans remain, and those memories of rare success are priceless. Good Luck Justin!

Phil In Npton

Nice one Phil ........  What can we expect from JED in your opinion ?? 


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: phil_in_npton on January 15, 2017, 21:14:54 pm
Hi, he brought a more professional approach to our game, but also was a bit stubborn to change his way when it wasn't working. Seemed to persevere a bit too long with certain players or tactics when most fans were calling for a change. He did have access to "lottery Les's"funds and took full advantage.
His legacy is unchallenged in getting promotion but went a little sour too when being a bit disrespectful to Newport on his match of the day feature on going to Gillingham, I thought that was a bit unnecessary. All in all I think he will do ok in the short term, but 90% of managers don't get more than that anyway!
 Best of luck!

Ps I doubt I will be watching County at Sixfields again in the near future!

Phil in Npton


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on January 17, 2017, 08:53:27 am
My first impressions of JE are positive .
He seemed open and honest in his interview and was not afraid to address  where the issues lay .
Page never connected with the fans because he never gave a straight answer and paid lip service to the people that came through the turnstiles . I think he was quite arrogant in his approach .
Feeling more encouraged and looking forward to Saturday now .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Gills Fan on January 17, 2017, 12:01:09 pm
Hello all,

Gillingham fan here in peace.

I thought i'd give you all an insight to his tenure with us.

Joined in February 2015 after a long wait to employ someone, we had a 'gang of 4 coaches' (including Steve Lovell who left at the end of last season who many Gillingham fans cite as the tactical brains in the first two seasons under JED) in charge for 6 weeks following the sacking of Peter Taylor, Taylor arguably was the worst football I have seen at Priestfield so when he left with us teetering just above the relegation zone we were delighted, the 4 lads took us comfortably away from the relegation zone in the time before JED got the job so he came in under a steadied ship and anyone frankly was better than what we had before.

On paper he came in with a good reputation, premiership pedigree as a player and a successful manager to that date.

We finished the season in 12th having a good late tilt at the play offs but mid table was bliss in comparison to earlier in the season.

The football he plays is on the ground and was a marked improvement on long ball previously.

Last season he took us to 1st around this time last season and there's where the cracks appeared, in multiple games (I think 4 or 5) we contrived to throw away a 2 goal lead and either draw or lose, we somehow finished 9th after being in the top 2 still in February.

This season following on from last was full of optimism, the signings we made on paper were excellent (signed by our Director of Football though I am told), we picked up a few injuries pre season which didn't help but somehow he has left us in 17th! Generally the players didn't look interested towards the end.

Major failings were: tactically inept, persisted with a holding midfielder, no wingers and a striker up top on his own, too stubborn to change it. Defensively shocking (Brackley away will have shown you that) which is odd considering he was an elite level defender!

He never once hired a fitness coach, it showed as our players look unfit and we have picked up lots of injuries in his tenure. Coaching wise I am told by people at the club that his training sessions consisted of 5 a side kickabouts with no focused training or setting up a game plan to face the opposition. This has been highlighted even more so by our chairman being quoted as saying that he felt when he visited training sessions or went to games the team didn't appear to know the roles they were meant to be doing or how they were meant to be playing, hence why Pennock has been employed as a 'Head Coach' until the end of the season to get the best out of a good squad.

The common phrase towards him from our fans and also Newport fans was when the going gets bad he doesn't have a clue how to change it.

His comments towards the end of his tenure spelt the beginning of the end really, saying we were overachieving under him (all be it we are little old Gillingham but the squad assembled is miles better than 17th) and that he had left us in a better position (he took over with us in 17th and left us there). Also his relationship with the fans was tetchy, pumped his chest and lorded it when we won, disappears down the tunnel at any defeat.

Weird one for me, given how poor we have done this season I am amazed he has got himself another job above us!

I wish him well but I wouldn't call his tenure successful or say he was a good manager, time will tell I guess!

All the best.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on January 17, 2017, 12:11:26 pm
Don't worry, we're gonna win the league now.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: just.reading on January 17, 2017, 12:28:24 pm
Hello all,

Gillingham fan here in peace.

I thought i'd give you all an insight to his tenure with us.

Joined in February 2015 after a long wait to employ someone, we had a 'gang of 4 coaches' (including Steve Lovell who left at the end of last season who many Gillingham fans cite as the tactical brains in the first two seasons under JED) in charge for 6 weeks following the sacking of Peter Taylor, Taylor arguably was the worst football I have seen at Priestfield so when he left with us teetering just above the relegation zone we were delighted, the 4 lads took us comfortably away from the relegation zone in the time before JED got the job so he came in under a steadied ship and anyone frankly was better than what we had before.

On paper he came in with a good reputation, premiership pedigree as a player and a successful manager to that date.

We finished the season in 12th having a good late tilt at the play offs but mid table was bliss in comparison to earlier in the season.

The football he plays is on the ground and was a marked improvement on long ball previously.

Last season he took us to 1st around this time last season and there's where the cracks appeared, in multiple games (I think 4 or 5) we contrived to throw away a 2 goal lead and either draw or lose, we somehow finished 9th after being in the top 2 still in February.

This season following on from last was full of optimism, the signings we made on paper were excellent (signed by our Director of Football though I am told), we picked up a few injuries pre season which didn't help but somehow he has left us in 17th! Generally the players didn't look interested towards the end.

Major failings were: tactically inept, persisted with a holding midfielder, no wingers and a striker up top on his own, too stubborn to change it. Defensively shocking (Brackley Stourbridge away will have shown you that) which is odd considering he was an elite level defender!

He never once hired a fitness coach, it showed as our players look unfit and we have picked up lots of injuries in his tenure. Coaching wise I am told by people at the club that his training sessions consisted of 5 a side kickabouts with no focused training or setting up a game plan to face the opposition. This has been highlighted even more so by our chairman being quoted as saying that he felt when he visited training sessions or went to games the team didn't appear to know the roles they were meant to be doing or how they were meant to be playing, hence why Pennock has been employed as a 'Head Coach' until the end of the season to get the best out of a good squad.

The common phrase towards him from our fans and also Newport fans was when the going gets bad he doesn't have a clue how to change it.


His comments towards the end of his tenure spelt the beginning of the end really, saying we were overachieving under him (all be it we are little old Gillingham but the squad assembled is miles better than 17th) and that he had left us in a better position (he took over with us in 17th and left us there). Also his relationship with the fans was tetchy, pumped his chest and lorded it when we won, disappears down the tunnel at any defeat.

Weird one for me, given how poor we have done this season I am amazed he has got himself another job above us!

I wish him well but I wouldn't call his tenure successful or say he was a good manager, time will tell I guess!

All the best.

Enough about Rob Page, tell us about JE


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on January 17, 2017, 12:29:42 pm
If you replace the references to "Edinburgh" with "Page" on the Gills Fan's summary you have very similar views on these managers. All that can added is that it works for managers at some clubs but not at others even if the budget and support from the directors is much the same.  All we can do is hope that the pieces of the jigsaw come together for the new management team at NTFC.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on January 17, 2017, 12:41:11 pm
Hello all,

Gillingham fan here in peace.

I thought i'd give you all an insight to his tenure with us.

Joined in February 2015 after a long wait to employ someone, we had a 'gang of 4 coaches' (including Steve Lovell who left at the end of last season who many Gillingham fans cite as the tactical brains in the first two seasons under JED) in charge for 6 weeks following the sacking of Peter Taylor, Taylor arguably was the worst football I have seen at Priestfield so when he left with us teetering just above the relegation zone we were delighted, the 4 lads took us comfortably away from the relegation zone in the time before JED got the job so he came in under a steadied ship and anyone frankly was better than what we had before.

On paper he came in with a good reputation, premiership pedigree as a player and a successful manager to that date.

We finished the season in 12th having a good late tilt at the play offs but mid table was bliss in comparison to earlier in the season.

The football he plays is on the ground and was a marked improvement on long ball previously.

Last season he took us to 1st around this time last season and there's where the cracks appeared, in multiple games (I think 4 or 5) we contrived to throw away a 2 goal lead and either draw or lose, we somehow finished 9th after being in the top 2 still in February.

This season following on from last was full of optimism, the signings we made on paper were excellent (signed by our Director of Football though I am told), we picked up a few injuries pre season which didn't help but somehow he has left us in 17th! Generally the players didn't look interested towards the end.

Major failings were: tactically inept, persisted with a holding midfielder, no wingers and a striker up top on his own, too stubborn to change it. Defensively shocking (Brackley away will have shown you that) which is odd considering he was an elite level defender!

He never once hired a fitness coach, it showed as our players look unfit and we have picked up lots of injuries in his tenure. Coaching wise I am told by people at the club that his training sessions consisted of 5 a side kickabouts with no focused training or setting up a game plan to face the opposition. This has been highlighted even more so by our chairman being quoted as saying that he felt when he visited training sessions or went to games the team didn't appear to know the roles they were meant to be doing or how they were meant to be playing, hence why Pennock has been employed as a 'Head Coach' until the end of the season to get the best out of a good squad.

The common phrase towards him from our fans and also Newport fans was when the going gets bad he doesn't have a clue how to change it.

His comments towards the end of his tenure spelt the beginning of the end really, saying we were overachieving under him (all be it we are little old Gillingham but the squad assembled is miles better than 17th) and that he had left us in a better position (he took over with us in 17th and left us there). Also his relationship with the fans was tetchy, pumped his chest and lorded it when we won, disappears down the tunnel at any defeat.

Weird one for me, given how poor we have done this season I am amazed he has got himself another job above us!

I wish him well but I wouldn't call his tenure successful or say he was a good manager, time will tell I guess!

All the best.


Intrestingly no mention of the raft of injuries to key players Gillingham has suffered this season as being a contributing factor.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on January 17, 2017, 12:48:55 pm

Intrestingly no mention of the raft of injuries to key players Gillingham has suffered this season as being a contributing factor.

Whats known as picking the negative points without allowing for any reasons or even excuses!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Gills Fan on January 17, 2017, 12:52:38 pm
I mention that we had a raft of pre season injuries.

We still had a decent core of players this season, we have lost key players at bad times BUT it doesn't in my opinion excuse the lack of a fitness coach, I would argue that a good number of our injuries have been his own doing by having unfit players who are more susceptible to injury as a result.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Kingsthorpe Cobbler on January 17, 2017, 12:57:12 pm
No real point listening to other supporters views. He's our manager now and we'll make our own judgments in due course - good and bad. As long as we go for matches instead of waiting to be beat I'll be happier.



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: DrillingCobbler on January 17, 2017, 12:58:28 pm
The views on the Gills forum, social media etc is very mixed. Not significantly different than when a manager gets the sack at any football club.

The fitness coach is an interesting one. Lets face it, this is a very 'recent' thing. We had one under Aidy B, can't remember his name now but we had shed loads of injuries! Whilst the Australian guy employed by Page didn't exactly create a fit squad...so maybe JE perceives having one as being a luxury at this level, preferring to spend that money on a player instead. Who knows. But at times I've often thought of them as being jobsworths...

I prefer to look at stats where possible and JE's stats are impressive. And over a long spell of time. Im enthusiastic about the appointment; whether it goes well for us, only time will tell. Bowen, Carr, Atkins, Calderwood...none of these achieved anything significant outside of Northampton but all did well here at times. Its all about timing, being in the right place at the right time. Unless its Rob Page whom clearly didn't understand the fundamental basics of making a sub correctly!  ;D





Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: WasRambo on January 17, 2017, 13:24:38 pm
Slightly embittered post tbh. For each positive, credit seems to have been given anywhere but to the manager.

TBH, I couldn't care less if JE made a million and one mistakes at Gills - as long as he has leaned from them. Better he makes those mistakes somewhere else than with us. i'm sure if and when Page rejoins the managerial merry-go-round he'll no doubt take a polar oppsite approach to that which he took with us. It'd be no surprise if he actually achieved success somewhere else, given he's surely used all his ill fated tactics and methodology with us!

And that is life. If you've never made a mistake then you've never learned anything...

JE gets my full backing and support....... as does every manager when they start out.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Grove on January 17, 2017, 13:25:59 pm
The views on the Gills forum, social media etc is very mixed. Not significantly different than when a manager gets the sack at any football club.

The fitness coach is an interesting one. Lets face it, this is a very 'recent' thing. We had one under Aidy B, can't remember his name now but we had shed loads of injuries! Whilst the Australian guy employed by Page didn't exactly create a fit squad...so maybe JE perceives having one as being a luxury at this level, preferring to spend that money on a player instead. Who knows. But at times I've often thought of them as being jobsworths...

I prefer to look at stats where possible and JE's stats are impressive. And over a long spell of time. Im enthusiastic about the appointment; whether it goes well for us, only time will tell. Bowen, Carr, Atkins, Calderwood...none of these achieved anything significant outside of Northampton but all did well here at times. Its all about timing, being in the right place at the right time. Unless its Rob Page whom clearly didn't understand the fundamental basics of making a sub correctly!  ;D

Not sure any of the above had fitness coaches , the physio wrote the fitness programmes







Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest170 on January 17, 2017, 13:59:57 pm
For comparison, this was a message from an Oxford fan when Wilder came to us...

Quote
Theres alot of us fans that would drive him personally to you. Crowds are well down from last season  and we are in a much stronger position.  He doesn't seem to be able to man manage very well. Im not exactly making a very food case for him am I really.  Many ox fans thought he should of gone last season due to the way we imploded. I do believe now that hes gone we will go up automatically we need someone to come in and take us on that bit further. Who comes in well thats another decision our chairman has to make.

Personall I don't like him his attitude towards some of the fans is a disgrace.  He plays atkins type football so I think he will keep you up. Dont expext any players to follow him that just isnt going to happen

Best bet is to keep an open mind and see how the next few weeks go


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Its_nice_to_michu on January 17, 2017, 16:41:51 pm
The views on the Gills forum, social media etc is very mixed. Not significantly different than when a manager gets the sack at any football club.

The fitness coach is an interesting one. Lets face it, this is a very 'recent' thing. We had one under Aidy B, can't remember his name now but we had shed loads of injuries! Whilst the Australian guy employed by Page didn't exactly create a fit squad...so maybe JE perceives having one as being a luxury at this level, preferring to spend that money on a player instead. Who knows. But at times I've often thought of them as being jobsworths...

I prefer to look at stats where possible and JE's stats are impressive. And over a long spell of time. Im enthusiastic about the appointment; whether it goes well for us, only time will tell. Bowen, Carr, Atkins, Calderwood...none of these achieved anything significant outside of Northampton but all did well here at times. Its all about timing, being in the right place at the right time. Unless its Rob Page whom clearly didn't understand the fundamental basics of making a sub correctly!  ;D


Just look at some of the players tweets when JED was sacked, backed him up as a manager with comments such as "gutted to see him go" " He personally did a lot for me" speaks volumes fro the man..

I cant wait to see what he does as i have a much different view when page walked through the door thats for sure... 





Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 17, 2017, 17:14:52 pm
I don't think I saw a single tweet or interview comment from an NTFC player saying that they were sorry to see Page (or his backroom staff) go or thanking him in any way.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on January 17, 2017, 17:43:24 pm
Hi, he brought a more professional approach to our game, but also was a bit stubborn to change his way when it wasn't working. Seemed to persevere a bit too long with certain players or tactics when most fans were calling for a change. He did have access to "lottery Les's"funds and took full advantage.
His legacy is unchallenged in getting promotion but went a little sour too when being a bit disrespectful to Newport on his match of the day feature on going to Gillingham, I thought that was a bit unnecessary. All in all I think he will do ok in the short term, but 90% of managers don't get more than that anyway!
 Best of luck!

Ps I doubt I will be watching County at Sixfields again in the near future!

Phil in Npton
Oh dear, another stubborn manager!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on January 17, 2017, 17:48:46 pm
I don't think I saw a single tweet or interview comment from an NTFC player saying that they were sorry to see Page (or his backroom staff) go or thanking him in any way.

Only saw comment from Rico and Buchs, both seemed to say something along the lines of "feel sorry for him that he's lost his job but hey, that's football" thought it was quite telling.

Oh dear, another stubborn manager!!!!!!!!


Aren't they all?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Welly Cobb on January 17, 2017, 19:31:56 pm
I don't think I saw a single tweet or interview comment from an NTFC player saying that they were sorry to see Page (or his backroom staff) go or thanking him in any way.
To be fair, that's untrue, Revell did an interview where he said that he had spoken to Page and apologised on behalf of the players for not performing well enough for him to keep his job, but nobody really knows what the dressing room is like.

Unless you throttle Shaun Harrad or something of course.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bri77 on January 17, 2017, 21:29:26 pm
Zakuani also tweeted his gratitude to Page for bringing him to a special club.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: WasRambo on January 18, 2017, 08:05:18 am
Zakuani also tweeted his gratitude to Page for bringing him to a special club.

Cinderella's?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: craigwest on January 18, 2017, 08:06:30 am
Cinderella's?

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on January 18, 2017, 08:06:51 am
           Good luck to our new manager and staff., As long as we don't play 'gun ho' football I will be happy.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: WasRambo on January 18, 2017, 08:12:45 am
Gung ho would be fine though.

Spelling police..... ;)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: clarkeysntfc on January 18, 2017, 09:13:03 am
To be fair, that's untrue, Revell did an interview where he said that he had spoken to Page and apologised on behalf of the players for not performing well enough for him to keep his job, but nobody really knows what the dressing room is like.

Unless you throttle Shaun Harrad or something of course.

Saying sorry for playing crap is different to praising the manager and saying you were sorry to see him go.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on January 18, 2017, 09:53:47 am
I agree . Not one player has expressed regret over Page leaving .
I think he lost the players respect by never accepting he got things wrong , particularly after the Peterborough game away .
I know for a fact that some  players thought there was not enough attention to detail in training .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Rodney on January 18, 2017, 21:59:22 pm
Players at a club are always going to concentrate on their new manager, not their former one. Ricky Holmes did a long interview on arriving at Charlton and didn't mention CW once in it. It is Edinburgh who the players are focusing on, but that doesn't mean they're all pleased Page has gone. Zander mentioned a couple of months ago how much he had picked up from RP in an interview on Cobblers Player.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on January 19, 2017, 15:44:05 pm
Gung ho would be fine though.

Spelling police..... ;)

 We played that way once before and almost relegated, If you play you have to be VERY GOOD AT IT.

         'fact police'


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Knockingonabit on January 29, 2017, 15:31:19 pm
Due a bit of credit with his two signings so far.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Gills Fan on August 21, 2017, 12:27:40 pm
Hello everyone,

I left a review of JED when he got your job and wondered how close to fact you felt I have been and to see if he has learnt his lessons from his spell with us.

I wish Northampton all the best but we as Gillingham fans dislike JED with a passion so to see him fail is somewhat satisfying and can only hope he is pushed quickly so you guys don't have the sort of season we did last year.

"Hello all,

Gillingham fan here in peace.

I thought i'd give you all an insight to his tenure with us.

Joined in February 2015 after a long wait to employ someone, we had a 'gang of 4 coaches' (including Steve Lovell who left at the end of last season who many Gillingham fans cite as the tactical brains in the first two seasons under JED) in charge for 6 weeks following the sacking of Peter Taylor, Taylor arguably was the worst football I have seen at Priestfield so when he left with us teetering just above the relegation zone we were delighted, the 4 lads took us comfortably away from the relegation zone in the time before JED got the job so he came in under a steadied ship and anyone frankly was better than what we had before.

On paper he came in with a good reputation, premiership pedigree as a player and a successful manager to that date.

We finished the season in 12th having a good late tilt at the play offs but mid table was bliss in comparison to earlier in the season.

The football he plays is on the ground and was a marked improvement on long ball previously.

Last season he took us to 1st around this time last season and there's where the cracks appeared, in multiple games (I think 4 or 5) we contrived to throw away a 2 goal lead and either draw or lose, we somehow finished 9th after being in the top 2 still in February.

This season following on from last was full of optimism, the signings we made on paper were excellent (signed by our Director of Football though I am told), we picked up a few injuries pre season which didn't help but somehow he has left us in 17th! Generally the players didn't look interested towards the end.

Major failings were: tactically inept, persisted with a holding midfielder, no wingers and a striker up top on his own, too stubborn to change it. Defensively shocking (Brackley away will have shown you that) which is odd considering he was an elite level defender!

He never once hired a fitness coach, it showed as our players look unfit and we have picked up lots of injuries in his tenure. Coaching wise I am told by people at the club that his training sessions consisted of 5 a side kickabouts with no focused training or setting up a game plan to face the opposition. This has been highlighted even more so by our chairman being quoted as saying that he felt when he visited training sessions or went to games the team didn't appear to know the roles they were meant to be doing or how they were meant to be playing, hence why Pennock has been employed as a 'Head Coach' until the end of the season to get the best out of a good squad.

The common phrase towards him from our fans and also Newport fans was when the going gets bad he doesn't have a clue how to change it.

His comments towards the end of his tenure spelt the beginning of the end really, saying we were overachieving under him (all be it we are little old Gillingham but the squad assembled is miles better than 17th) and that he had left us in a better position (he took over with us in 17th and left us there). Also his relationship with the fans was tetchy, pumped his chest and lorded it when we won, disappears down the tunnel at any defeat.

Weird one for me, given how poor we have done this season I am amazed he has got himself another job above us!

I wish him well but I wouldn't call his tenure successful or say he was a good manager, time will tell I guess!

All the best."


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2090 on August 21, 2017, 14:06:42 pm

Major failings were: tactically inept, persisted with a holding midfielder, no wingers and a striker up top on his own, too stubborn to change it.





remove striker up top on his own and you have what we have.  all rather depressing.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 21, 2017, 14:10:32 pm
Pretty much bang on the money.

He needs to go ASAP.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bungle on August 21, 2017, 14:27:23 pm
'Coaching wise I am told by people at the club that his training sessions consisted of 5 a side kickabouts with no focused training or setting up a game plan to face the opposition. This has been highlighted even more so by our chairman being quoted as saying that he felt when he visited training sessions or went to games the team didn't appear to know the roles they were meant to be doing or how they were meant to be playing'

Interesting to read this again.

It's all a far cry from THAT expertly rehearsed JJOT free-kick-routine against Luton, isn't it?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: BrixworthCobbler on August 21, 2017, 19:16:40 pm
I think we need to get Page back whilst we can and accept we all made a terrible mistake in getting rid of him so quickly.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: The Hask on August 21, 2017, 21:15:46 pm
Also his relationship with the fans was tetchy, pumped his chest and lorded it when we won, disappears down the tunnel at any defeat.


I am not normally one to jump on sacking managers but everything this Gills fan says is what we are seeing now, even down to to the sulking down the tunnel - as he did this past Saturday - Lost all my respect and hope that Kelvin rips the plaster quickly because otherwise we will be in deep relegation.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on August 22, 2017, 09:14:05 am
I think JED probably needs a result on Saturday to keep his job. I am not usually one for calling for manager's heads so early in the season either, but the truth is the back end of last season was also very poor. For me the two most worrying aspects currently are first the insistence on playing Buchannan as a wing back when he clearly is not one. This is incredible given the importance of wing backs to JED's system and means we only have an attacking threat from one side. George Smith on paper is much more suited to this role. The other huge concern was his post match interview after Saturday. Lots of disappointment but no indication that he knows how to put it right and he even sounded a bit lost. Reminded me of Page in his last interviews before he was sacked.

I would love JED to be successful with us. Sometimes all you need is a scrappy 1-0 win to get things moving again. We've invested in him and his players and replacing him will inevitably mean considerable expense and upheaval as a new man will inevitably want to get rid of and bring in some players. However, there's no doubt that he's walking a tightrope and if things go badly in the next one or two games I agree he should go.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 22, 2017, 09:26:43 am
Having invested in him as you say, and certainly having invested in the squad, I would have hoped expectations would be a bit higher than 'challenging for a top half finish' as per his comments on the Chron website today.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 22, 2017, 09:30:10 am
He's far too stubborn to change imo, EXACTLY as the Gills fan described him...

I want him to succeed but just can't see him ever saying "I was wrong about the 532 formation and should never have played it with the players assembled".

Scenario will probably be...in typical cobblers fashion, hammered Sat, keep his job then win that wanky meaningless game v Cambridge then hammered v Wigan...then he's finally sacked and of course the transfer window will then be closed!

I'm bored to tears with his negative tactics...get rid now while we've still got the season to salvage


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dan on August 22, 2017, 09:34:17 am
He's sh*te. Really hoped he would have been sacked already.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 22, 2017, 10:54:24 am
He's sh*te. Really hoped he would have been sacked already.
            I am amaised tht he hasn't been sacked by now. JED OUT.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 22, 2017, 10:57:32 am

 Sam alladice could rebuild his carear here. WOW111


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 22, 2017, 11:06:42 am

I HAVE JUST SEEN THE LOWLIGHTS FROM SKY, WHAT APPEND TO MARKING?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 22, 2017, 11:09:05 am
 JED  OUT NOW!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 22, 2017, 11:23:55 am
It's okay guys. We are aiming for mid table at best!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Gills Fan on August 22, 2017, 12:27:22 pm
I would say most Gills fans are torn at the moment, part of us wants him to get the sack so he can shove his holier than thou attitude up his arse, when he got your job he said he felt he had joined a bigger club, which ultimately you may be this season with your budget etc but history wise i'd say we're probably on par, also his actions at the last game of the season when he wouldn't shake our new managers hand and cupped his ears to the away end on your lap of honour show how much of an odious prick he is.

The other half of us want him to keep his job until when we play you in October so we can give him absolute pelters, I think that match is going to end up as the 'Who hates JED more cup'.

I had to laugh at his comments the other day saying "that's not what I am about" re not acknowledging the fans, he did it constantly to us, we lost 4-0 at Bolton in December on a Monday and it was on Sky and he skulked off straight away, that is what put the nail in his coffin with the fans here I think, at least you guys got an apology though!

Ultimately I think our chairman stitched yours up, he said at recent Q & A with our fans that he gave a glowing reference to your chairman so he made sure JED got another job so we didn't have to pay him compensation...


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 22, 2017, 12:30:37 pm
I would say most Gills fans are torn at the moment, part of us wants him to get the sack so he can shove his holier than thou attitude up his arse, when he got your job he said he felt he had joined a bigger club, which ultimately you may be this season with your budget etc but history wise i'd say we're probably on par, also his actions at the last game of the season when he wouldn't shake our new managers hand and cupped his ears to the away end on your lap of honour show how much of an odious prick he is.

The other half of us want him to keep his job until when we play you in October so we can give him absolute pelters, I think that match is going to end up as the 'Who hates JED more cup'.

I had to laugh at his comments the other day saying "that's not what I am about" re not acknowledging the fans, he did it constantly to us, we lost 4-0 at Bolton in December on a Monday and it was on Sky and he skulked off straight away, that is what put the nail in his coffin with the fans here I think, at least you guys got an apology though!

Load of hindsight etc of utter tosh.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bungle on August 22, 2017, 12:31:56 pm
JED's win percentage is 25%. Rob Page's was 29.4%.

QED.



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 22, 2017, 12:49:43 pm
Looks like he will still be in charge for Saturday.....

God speed everyone, god speed.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 22, 2017, 12:55:30 pm
Lots of conceited comment on here from Gillingham .
JED has faults but I do believe he cares about the club and certainly understands it better than Page ever did .
There seems to be a real vindictive attitude towards him from Gillingham and quite honestly I couldn't care less. You don't seem to be any better off now than then .
I'd prefer JED to stay and sort things out , but he will need to compromise his principles and start getting results .
He's not a bad bloke - he just needs to learn a bit more about attacking play in my view .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 22, 2017, 12:56:05 pm
Some interesting news about to come out of Sixfields apparently..


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on August 22, 2017, 13:04:40 pm
            I am amaised tht he hasn't been sacked by now. JED OUT.
Is 'amaised' the French spelling?  ;D
If or when he is dispatched...can that shyte shyte 'duh duh duh...Justin Edinburgh' song be packed off with his backroom staff too?  ;)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Gills Fan on August 22, 2017, 13:24:40 pm
We aren't better off this season due to being owed £1.5m by our former catering company in lost earnings, most of our money is tied up in a court case with them, thus our current manager hasn't been afforded the sort of budget that our previous manager was given last summer, not that our current manager is much cop with or without money to spend.

Anyway I wish you guys all the best and hope he is sacked for the good of your club ASAP.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Saint Cobbler on August 22, 2017, 21:56:03 pm
We aren't better off this season due to being owed £1.5m by our former catering company in lost earnings, most of our money is tied up in a court case with them, thus our current manager hasn't been afforded the sort of budget that our previous manager was given last summer, not that our current manager is much cop with or without money to spend.

Anyway I wish you guys all the best and hope he is sacked for the good of your club ASAP.
Thanks, I take your comments in good faith, unlike some on here.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 23, 2017, 07:33:48 am

 JED OUT NOW OR SOONER!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: just.reading on August 23, 2017, 07:36:13 am
JED OUT NOW OR SOONER!!

What could be sooner than now?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 23, 2017, 07:47:09 am
What could be sooner than now?

IT'S POSSIBLE IN THE HG WELLS WORLD THAT DEFENDER LIVES IN...


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on August 23, 2017, 08:18:45 am
I have supported the Cobblers for 37 years and, consistently, it's been the hope that kills me !!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Saint Cobbler on August 23, 2017, 15:29:32 pm
I have supported the Cobblers for 37 years and, consistently, it's been the hope that kills me !!!
Yep, Sunday to Friday are fine, but Saturday afternoons suck.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on August 23, 2017, 17:22:54 pm
What could be sooner than now?
Matt Facer needs to play "How Soon is Now" by The Smiths on Saturday. Tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnne!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 23, 2017, 17:37:38 pm
Looks like he will still be in charge for Saturday.....

God speed everyone, god speed.

Was there any doubt ?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Alan Partridge on August 23, 2017, 18:30:50 pm
Matt Facer needs to play "How Soon is Now" by The Smiths on Saturday. Tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnne!!

Indeed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpILIIo9ek


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 23, 2017, 18:37:59 pm

Indeed!


Great Music I suppose to the untrained ear. Much prefer something from the Eagles.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on August 23, 2017, 19:07:05 pm
Great Music I suppose to the untrained ear. Much prefer something from the Eagles.
Welcome to the Travelodge California?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 23, 2017, 19:35:30 pm
Was there any doubt ?

Yes.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 23, 2017, 20:20:37 pm
Matt Facer needs to play "How Soon is Now" by The Smiths on Saturday. Tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnne!!
The best Smiths song in my opinion. And Johnny Marr is an awesome guitarist.
Not so sure about the loony leftie , vegan, singer though. What is it with a dandelion in his @rse pocket?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 23, 2017, 20:33:36 pm
Yes.


Really?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Letchworthcobbler on August 23, 2017, 20:37:57 pm
The best Smiths song in my opinion. And Johnny Marr is an awesome guitarist.
Not so sure about the loony leftie , vegan, singer though. What is it with a dandelion in his @rse pocket?

I would say it's up with There is a light that never goes out,That joke isn't funny anymore and still ill.

I prefer the non-known ones like hand in glove, reel around the fountain, pretty girls make graves and well I wonder


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on August 23, 2017, 20:39:35 pm
The best Smiths song in my opinion. And Johnny Marr is an awesome guitarist.
Not so sure about the loony leftie , vegan, singer though. What is it with a dandelion in his @rse pocket?
I think it was a buttercup!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: pattcobb on August 23, 2017, 21:31:45 pm
The best Smiths song in my opinion. And Johnny Marr is an awesome guitarist.
Not so sure abq
out the loony leftie , vegan, singer though. What is it with a dandelion in his @rse pocket?
Never cared for The Smiths at the time but looking back now I think they were great.
Standing joke with me and my brother about Morrissey and being a vegan and meat is murder and all that. Cancelled more concerts over the years due to ill health than any other singer. Come on man get some🍗🍖🍔 in ya do you the world of good!
On topic I do think Satdee is D day for JED not so much the result but performance, and formation.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 23, 2017, 21:44:37 pm
I think it was a buttercup!!!!!!!!
Nah!  Athough Im not sure what variety it was.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d0/b1/6c/d0b16cff484ca5ac2184f9b4c3557e21.jpg)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 24, 2017, 07:16:40 am
By the sounds of his latest ifollow interviews with legend Densley, i'm pretty sure he will not be playing 532 again anytime soon....

He is of course making out he's always been flexible etc and if he does change formation it will have been solely his decision based on trying to win a football match!
(rather than putting his hands up and admitting so far he's got the formation very very wrong)

Hopefully, this could be just the wake up call JE needed, and we as a club can benefit and move forward.....not holding my breath though!

FTP!!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 24, 2017, 07:54:14 am
By the sounds of his latest ifollow interviews with legend Densley, i'm pretty sure he will not be playing 532 again anytime soon....

He is of course making out he's always been flexible etc and if he does change formation it will have been solely his decision based on trying to win a football match!
(rather than putting his hands up and admitting so far he's got the formation very very wrong)

Hopefully, this could be just the wake up call JE needed, and we as a club can benefit and move forward.....not holding my breath though!

FTP!!!

He must appreciate wonderful supporters like you!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Wolvo on August 24, 2017, 08:10:53 am
To provide some balance to the 'JED Out' mentality... We've lost to Shrewsbury and Fleetwood (both sat on 100% records), beat by Charlton (must have double our budget?), and are about to play another team sitting joint top of the table on 100%.

The first two could have been different results if we had that last minute penalty away at Shrewsbury or if Pierre used his right foot against Fleetwood. We've had a huge turn around in playing staff which inevitably takes a while to bed in, but I feel JED certainly deserves to be given at least 10 games this season to assess where we are at. He's done very well to tempt the likes of Crooks and Grimes to come and play at Sixfields and now has to quickly find the best way to get the best out of these talented players.

My own personal criticism is watching Buchanan at wing back! Really thought he'd have a good season when I thought we'd signed Powell to play in front of him. My personal belief is that 4-2-3-1 is the one best suited to our current squad.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 24, 2017, 08:20:26 am
To provide some balance to the 'JED Out' mentality... We've lost to Shrewsbury and Fleetwood (both sat on 100% records), beat by Charlton (must have double our budget?), and are about to play another team sitting joint top of the table on 100%.

The first two could have been different results if we had that last minute penalty away at Shrewsbury or if Pierre used his right foot against Fleetwood. We've had a huge turn around in playing staff which inevitably takes a while to bed in, but I feel JED certainly deserves to be given at least 10 games this season to assess where we are at. He's done very well to tempt the likes of Crooks and Grimes to come and play at Sixfields and now has to quickly find the best way to get the best out of these talented players.

My own personal criticism is watching Buchanan at wing back! Really thought he'd have a good season when I thought we'd signed Powell to play in front of him. My personal belief is that 4-2-3-1 is the one best suited to our current squad.
To put some reality to the balance though -
Shrewsbury are likely to finish in the bottom 4 and we lost to them .
The football we have played is not in any way convincing or a threat .
We are on a run without a win that carries on from last year .
JED insists on playing square pegs in round holes .
I like you think he should be given more time if he begins to change his philosophy that clearly doesn't work .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2235 on August 24, 2017, 09:06:42 am
To provide some balance to the 'JED Out' mentality... We've lost to Shrewsbury and Fleetwood (both sat on 100% records), beat by Charlton (must have double our budget?), and are about to play another team sitting joint top of the table on 100%.

The first two could have been different results if we had that last minute penalty away at Shrewsbury or if Pierre used his right foot against Fleetwood. We've had a huge turn around in playing staff which inevitably takes a while to bed in, but I feel JED certainly deserves to be given at least 10 games this season to assess where we are at. He's done very well to tempt the likes of Crooks and Grimes to come and play at Sixfields and now has to quickly find the best way to get the best out of these talented players.

My own personal criticism is watching Buchanan at wing back! Really thought he'd have a good season when I thought we'd signed Powell to play in front of him. My personal belief is that 4-2-3-1 is the one best suited to our current squad.
Fair enough about the start but this goes back to the rubbish at the back end of last season, its now 12 competitive games without a win


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Welly Cobb on August 24, 2017, 10:02:16 am
Not that it means anything at this stage, but Shrewsbury and Fleetwood have won 3 out of 3, so assuming the former are going to be in the bottom 4 seems presumptuous


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 24, 2017, 10:40:01 am
Not that it means anything at this stage, but Shrewsbury and Fleetwood have won 3 out of 3, so assuming the former are going to be in the bottom 4 seems presumptuous
I will have a £10 bet with you they go down :)
They are not strong and we didn't have a single shot against them .
That said , I think JED needs to be given a chance with this squad - but I'm not sure the Chinese will be so patient .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 24, 2017, 18:04:41 pm
...................but this goes back to the rubbish at the back end of last season, its now 12 competitive games without a win

You must have a motive to keep bringing up the back end of last season ::)
The point is that we have a new team at the start of a new season. Who cares about last season!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 24, 2017, 18:52:28 pm
You must have a motive to keep bringing up the back end of last season ::)
The point is that we have a new team at the start of a new season. Who cares about last season!

Surely the point is that we know it wasn't good enough last season, the management realised it wasn't good enough at the back of last season and went out and strengthened the squad as a result......so the new team at the start of this season is performing no better than the sh!te team did at the back end of last season. The common denominator is......?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: wrigleys on August 24, 2017, 20:36:07 pm
I will have a £10 bet with you they go down :)
They are not strong and we didn't have a single shot against them .
That said , I think JED needs to be given a chance with this squad - but I'm not sure the Chinese will be so patient .

I am sick to to the back teeth of hearing about the fcking Chinese. They don't give two hoots what we are doing, who is in charge or what division we are in. Am I the only person who can see that if it stinks of fish, it can only be described as fcking fishy.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 24, 2017, 20:38:23 pm
Well the Boro manager thinks we are good... ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 24, 2017, 21:24:58 pm
I am sick to to the back teeth of hearing about the fcking Chinese. They don't give two hoots what we are doing, who is in charge or what division we are in. Am I the only person who can see that if it stinks of fish, it can only be described as fcking fishy.
I wouldn't be too sure about that .
Who do you think has paid for the new players to come here ?
They will want a return on the field .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: wrigleys on August 24, 2017, 21:40:03 pm
I wouldn't be too sure about that .
Who do you think has paid for the new players to come here ?
They will want a return on the field .

I wonder if it's an interesting way to put some money through a washing machine?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 24, 2017, 23:02:16 pm
Surely the point is that we know it wasn't good enough last season, the management realised it wasn't good enough at the back of last season and went out and strengthened the squad as a result......so the new team at the start of this season is performing no better than the sh!te team did at the back end of last season. The common denominator is......?

Would have thought the real point is that we have a new team, a debatable system which for example QPR and Pboro play to! As pointed out it may take a few games to gel. As for the manager he is on a hiding to nothing, however I can remember several posters asking for CW's head after a couple of September defeats in 2015; plus Brackley Yellow coming on here pre warning us about CW failings. All we need is 3 victories PDQ and the focus will be on a bigger ground for the Championship ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 25, 2017, 08:25:29 am
I reckon JED might see himself at a bit of a watershed moment in his career. He's been a non-league / lower league two manager most of his career, got his step up to Gillingham and things went south. The perception will be, IF he fails here, that he can't handle a decent budget, I can't see another League One club going for him if we sack him.

Who knows what effect this could have on him but maybe he might see it that he has nothing to lose, he may take the shackles off a little and go for a more expansive style of play (regardless of formation). If he does this I think that may buy him some time / good will with the fans regardless of the result .... as long as we don't get hammered!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 25, 2017, 08:38:24 am
I reckon JED might see himself at a bit of a watershed moment in his career. He's been a non-league / lower league two manager most of his career, got his step up to Gillingham and things went south. The perception will be, IF he fails here, that he can't handle a decent budget, I can't see another League One club going for him if we sack him.

Who knows what effect this could have on him but maybe he might see it that he has nothing to lose, he may take the shackles off a little and go for a more expansive style of play (regardless of formation). If he does this I think that may buy him some time / good will with the fans regardless of the result .... as long as we don't get hammered!
I think this is the biggest problem with JED .
People generally like him and he has definitely been instrumental in getting good players to the club - but ...... his style of football is dire .
There is very little attacking flair and it seems as though we don't really have a plan going forward .
It's as if he needs someone to assist on the coaching side at the top half of the pitch .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 25, 2017, 08:42:40 am
I wonder if it's an interesting way to put some money through a washing machine?
That's a serious accusation you are making there !
Can't believe that happens in football ! Who are we playing tomorrow ?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Ralap on August 25, 2017, 08:59:26 am
I wonder if it's an interesting way to put some money through a washing machine?

No doubt in my mind. Money they won't have to give to the Chinese once they are back in total control. Been happening a lot hasn't it?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 25, 2017, 09:12:25 am
I wonder if it's an interesting way to put some money through a washing machine?

Isn't that called a Chinese laundry?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: rebelspawn on August 25, 2017, 09:19:00 am
You must have a motive to keep bringing up the back end of last season ::)
The point is that we have a new team at the start of a new season. Who cares about last season!

You are right, his record from last season is really tarnishing the 100% loss record of this season  ::)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: rebelspawn on August 25, 2017, 09:20:05 am
Well the Boro manager thinks we are good... ;D

So did the Charlton manager...  :'(


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Manwork04 on August 25, 2017, 09:25:58 am
No doubt in my mind. Money they won't have to give to the Chinese once they are back in total control. Been happening a lot hasn't it?
I thought the Chinese investment was because of our educational prowess  ???


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 25, 2017, 09:38:20 am
I thought the Chinese investment was because of our educational prowess  ???
I have to say , now it's all died down a bit , the whole Chinese thing is very strange .
I mean , what's in it for them ?
KT was clever at the forum - he didn't actually explain anything about the relationship at all apart from a bit of waffle on development . It's all a bit of a mystery


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 25, 2017, 11:16:40 am
You are right, his record from last season is really tarnishing the 100% loss record of this season  ::)

As usual you miss the point by a country mile. If you don't like JE then say so rather than hide behind half ar$ed comments.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Ralap on August 25, 2017, 11:40:36 am
I thought the Chinese investment was because of our educational prowess  ???


 ;D Oh yeah, sorry.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: rebelspawn on August 25, 2017, 13:24:23 pm
As usual you miss the point by a country mile. If you don't like JE then say so rather than hide behind half ar$ed comments.

What was the point evers? you were trying to say that someone must have an agenda against JED because they were including results of last season in their criticism of him to make him look worse.

I merely pointed out that if someone had an agenda against JED, they would be better to leave last season out of the sample and take the 100% loss record so far this season as their evidence.

Once again, something has gone completely over your head, once again you have accused people of having agendas when all they are doing is looking at evidence and forming an opinion.

Snipe, snipe , snipe... its all you ever do


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 25, 2017, 13:38:35 pm
What was the point evers? you were trying to say that someone must have an agenda against JED because they were including results of last season in their criticism of him to make him look worse.

I merely pointed out that if someone had an agenda against JED, they would be better to leave last season out of the sample and take the 100% loss record so far this season as their evidence.

Once again, something has gone completely over your head, once again you have accused people or having agendas when all they are doing is looking at evidence and forming an opinion.

Its not as simple as that is it? All I have done is reminded the Poster and you for that matter that bringing last season into it is irrelevant. By repeatedly bringing it up(by some) would suggest it is part of their debating argument and forms part of an anti JE agenda. Nothing has gone over my head apart from Wolvo  ::), regrettably I suspect it has avoided you also. For the record I was underwhelmed by JE's appointment but if he gets a result from tomorrow I will be happy. If you cannot share this sentiment then you might as well avoid the game.

ps thanks for the PM tho'.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: rebelspawn on August 25, 2017, 13:45:18 pm
Its not as simple as that is it? All I have done is reminded the Poster and you for that matter that bringing last season into it is irrelevant. By repeatedly bringing it up(by some) would suggest it is part of their debating argument and forms part of an anti JE agenda. Nothing has gone over my head apart from Wolvo  ::), regrettably I suspect it has avoided you also. For the record I was underwhelmed by JE's appointment but if he gets a result from tomorrow I will be happy. If you cannot share this sentiment then you might as well avoid the game.

ps thanks for the PM tho'.

Nothing has 'avoided me' evers. We have lost 4 out 4, we are playing a system that isn't working, and the manager refuses to change it and appears incredibly tactically niaive. Its terrible to watch and we can barely string three passes together.

I have a season ticket, so i will be attending the home games regardless. The away games though... no more under this manager, playing this system.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 25, 2017, 13:49:37 pm
Nothing has 'avoided me' evers. We have lost 4 out 4, we are playing a system that isn't working, and the manager refuses to change it and appears incredibly tactically niaive. Its terrible to watch and we can barely string three passes together.

I have a season ticket, so i will be attending the home games regardless. The away games though... no more under this manager, playing this system.

So part - timer ;). So if he brings about an emphatic victory tomorrow you will forgo all the away games? Seems a bit prejudicial.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: rebelspawn on August 25, 2017, 14:03:53 pm
So part - timer ;). So if he brings about an emphatic victory tomorrow you will forgo all the away games? Seems a bit prejudicial.

If we play terrible and grind out a 0-0, or even if we play terrible but sneak a win, doesn't affect my non-attendance at future away games.

I am not going to spend my day, spending money to travel long distances and watch awful football. At the moment we are playing awful football. Unless that changes, no more away games.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 25, 2017, 14:08:41 pm
If we play terrible and grind out a 0-0, or even if we play terrible but sneak a win, doesn't affect my non-attendance at future away games.

I am not going to spend my day, spending money to travel long distances and watch awful football. At the moment we are playing awful football. Unless that changes, no more away games.

Fair enough.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 25, 2017, 14:17:52 pm
I don't get the "last season is not relevant" argument at all. It's definitely relevant as he was our manager....its just worth remembering that there were mitigating circumstances to a point.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 25, 2017, 14:19:37 pm
If we play terrible and grind out a 0-0, or even if we play terrible but sneak a win, doesn't affect my non-attendance at future away games.

I am not going to spend my day, spending money to travel long distances and watch awful football. At the moment we are playing awful football. Unless that changes, no more away games.

This is spot on and exactly how I feel. It is the style of play I have most issues with over and above the results. It was the same last season under both managers. I felt largely the same under Boothroyd and Calderwood in his last two seasons, despite us having some success under both.

I've never expected us to be win every week, all I really ask is a fan is to see us giving 100% and playing attacking, exciting football as much as we can.

It is not anything personal against the manager at all, how could it be, we don't know him. I don't like the 5-3-2 system at all but that's just a personal preference. If we had quick wing backs who could beat their man, pace and movement up front and some flair in midfield it would be much more accepted.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 25, 2017, 14:29:51 pm
I don't get the "last season is not relevant" argument at all. It's definitely relevant as he was our manager....its just worth remembering that there were mitigating circumstances to a point.

I like the way many ignore the facts that we have new players , a new system which may take time to gel.You almost contradict yourself with your last few words. However if we play 5-3-2 and get stuffed by a side also playing 5-3-2 then I will fall about laughing. A cursory glance at Posh web site would suggest that some are complaining about sq pegs etc.................


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 25, 2017, 14:37:02 pm
I like the way many ignore the facts that we have new players , a new system which may take time to gel.You almost contradict yourself with your last few words. However if we play 5-3-2 and get stuffed by a side also playing 5-3-2 then I will fall about laughing. A cursory glance at Posh web site would suggest that some are complaining about sq pegs etc.................

What if we do beat them, that would mean our only win this season would be against a 532, not a glowing endorsement of the system is it?

As has been said the major problem is the style of play, not the formation. Most people wouldn't have a problem with the formation if we played it with some attacking intent and had suitable wing backs


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 25, 2017, 14:39:36 pm
If we had quick wing backs who could beat their man, pace and movement up front and some flair in midfield it would be much more accepted.

So far Phillips and Smith have aspired to promising wing backs! Also I think that what you hope for and what you get are two different things.Its a bit naive to assume 100% attacking play etc as even in our Championship season it did not happen for quite a few games...Mansfield, Morecombe and Stevenage etc just to name a few. If we grind out a few wins and draws I would be reasonably happy. I liked Calderwood  - good manager.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: ntfc01 on August 25, 2017, 14:49:00 pm
I don't get the "last season is not relevant" argument at all. It's definitely relevant as he was our manager....its just worth remembering that there were mitigating circumstances to a point.

Last season is most definitely relevant... It was relevant at the start of last season when carrying on the unbeaten run


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 25, 2017, 14:50:22 pm
So far Phillips and Smith have aspired to promising wing backs! Also I think that what you hope for and what you get are two different things.Its a bit naive to assume 100% attacking play etc as even in our Championship season it did not happen for quite a few games...Mansfield, Morecombe and Stevenage etc just to name a few. If we grind out a few wins and draws I would be reasonably happy. I liked Calderwood  - good manager.

Yes, Smith certainly looks to be - yet Buchanan has played every minute of every league game in that position so far. This is part of the problem and that's coming from a big fans of Buchs

I don't hope for 100% attacking play, in the post you selectively quoted I said "all I really ask is a fan is to see us giving 100% and playing attacking, exciting football as much as we can"

Of course there will be occasions where you have to grind out results,"earn the right to play" etc but at the minute this is JEDs default setting. This is part of the problem

I agree on Calderwood, he made us a more professional outfit and did well for us but there were very few games in his 2nd and 3rd season that I enjoyed watching, I wasn't drawn to games at that time, despite there being a reasonable chance of a win.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: rebelspawn on August 25, 2017, 14:58:49 pm
So far Phillips and Smith have aspired to promising wing backs! Also I think that what you hope for and what you get are two different things.Its a bit naive to assume 100% attacking play etc as even in our Championship season it did not happen for quite a few games...Mansfield, Morecombe and Stevenage etc just to name a few. If we grind out a few wins and draws I would be reasonably happy. I liked Calderwood  - good manager.

Once again you demonstrate your failure to read...

he said he wants to us giving 100%

and

Playing attacking attractive football.

He did not suggest that we should be in possession and attacking 100% of the time  ::)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on August 25, 2017, 15:28:49 pm
Its not as simple as that is it? All I have done is reminded the Poster and you for that matter that bringing last season into it is irrelevant. By repeatedly bringing it up(by some) would suggest it is part of their debating argument and forms part of an anti JE agenda. Nothing has gone over my head apart from Wolvo  ::), regrettably I suspect it has avoided you also. For the record I was underwhelmed by JE's appointment but if he gets a result from tomorrow I will be happy. If you cannot share this sentiment then you might as well avoid the game.

ps thanks for the PM tho'.

Last season is very relevant. JE came in and improved (just slightly) on the Page regime, but tended to grind out a few results rather than to inspire expectations. Of course it has to be taken into account that those weren't his players - and neither were many of them good enough - still though, there are I suspect managers who would have gotten more out of that squad.
This season there can be no excuses for lack of pace, width, tactical options etc; because JE has assembled the squad he wanted. Yes, I'm guessing the majority of us can see some flaws with the assembled squad, not enough width, quality of "experienced keeper with more quality than Smith" (yes I know, he's done ok so far. But I suspect the wheels will come off). The fact remains, even with these shortcomings, the squad we do have shouldn't be languishing at the bottom of the league. It should at the very least be top half. The manager needs to wise up fast, because if he ain't capable of addressing the flaws in his (one dimensional) game plan, we're all in a mess.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 25, 2017, 15:58:40 pm
Once again you demonstrate your failure to read...

he said he wants to us giving 100%

and

Playing attacking attractive football.

He did not suggest that we should be in possession and attacking 100% of the time  ::)

Who mentioned possession? Of course you can interpret my post how you like , but you know full well the point being made. I will not preach to you as you do above; reiterating the same mantra again and again. Some might describe it as subtle "sniping". We are not going to agree but if you post a message and I appreciate the points made will tell you or otherwise!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: rebelspawn on August 25, 2017, 16:02:10 pm
Who mentioned possession? Of course you can interpret my post how you like , but you know full well the point being made. I will not preach to you as you do above; reiterating the same mantra again and again. Some might describe it as subtle "sniping". We are not going to agree but if you post a message and I appreciate the points made will tell you or otherwise!


Do you think its possible to attack when not in possession of the football? Possession is a prerequisite of attack and is therefore implied in your statement.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 25, 2017, 16:06:24 pm
Do you think its possible to attack when not in possession of the football? Possession is a prerequisite of attack and is therefore implied in your statement.

ZZZZZ


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 26, 2017, 08:54:55 am
 JED? GET RID!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest49 on August 26, 2017, 10:04:49 am
We are in that horrible position with a number of fans want us to get spanked in order to oust the manager.
Not that many ever admit it. Get beaten by 2/3 today and I suspect you may get your wish.
Whichever way the result goes this game couldn't have come at a better/worse time for JE.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: CambsCobbler on August 26, 2017, 10:20:07 am
New poster, been following the site for years.

For all of you who keep saying on here that it isn't, last season has to be seen as relevant for the fact that JED spent the summer clearing out the squad and bringing in his own players (with support and backing from the owners / KT.  If the team is struggling this year, there can be no excuses as it is his team, his formation and his success or failure.  I really, really hope we get something out of today and I refuse to hope we lose against them, just to get the manager out, but I'm not looking forward to the game in the same way I usually do.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2017, 10:29:40 am
We are in that horrible position with a number of fans want us to get spanked in order to oust the manager.
Not that many ever admit it. Get beaten by 2/3 today and I suspect you may get your wish.
Whichever way the result goes this game couldn't have come at a better/worse time for JE.

Hedging yr bets there 8)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest49 on August 26, 2017, 11:00:48 am
Hedging yr bets there 8)

Not at all. I'd settle for a scrappy 1 nil win and then the start of a Wilderesque campaign. I'm as disappointed in the players as much as anything so far. I do think there's an element who think we are suddenly going to become world beaters playing a different formation.
If he is an inept as results suggest you've really got to ask questions over successive failed appointments and other influencing factors. Stats alone show him to be worse than Page, so the clock must be ticking.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2017, 11:58:28 am
Not at all. I'd settle for a scrappy 1 nil win and then the start of a Wilderesque campaign. I'm as disappointed in the players as much as anything so far. I do think there's an element who think we are suddenly going to become world beaters playing a different formation.
If he is an inept as results suggest you've really got to ask questions over successive failed appointments and other influencing factors. Stats alone show him to be worse than Page, so the clock must be ticking.

Fair enough, would have thought most of us would settle for that scenario as indicated in yr post.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: rebelspawn on August 26, 2017, 12:18:44 pm
ZZZZZ

Great counterpoint Evers,  ::)

Nice to see that you continue to show everyone what what a clueless fool you are with your behaviour these last couple of days. Keep it up!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: corno_ntfc on August 26, 2017, 13:01:43 pm
We are in that horrible position with a number of fans want us to get spanked in order to oust the manager.
Not that many ever admit it. Get beaten by 2/3 today and I suspect you may get your wish.
Whichever way the result goes this game couldn't have come at a better/worse time for JE.

Now I've seen the starting XI, I'm beginning to think that way.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 26, 2017, 14:55:40 pm

 HE WILL BE GONE AFTER THIS GAME AND GOOD RIDANC.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: cobbler150 on August 26, 2017, 14:59:00 pm
Said it at Mk away....


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Wolvo on August 26, 2017, 16:10:35 pm
To provide some balance to the 'JED Out' mentality... We've lost to Shrewsbury and Fleetwood (both sat on 100% records), beat by Charlton (must have double our budget?), and are about to play another team sitting joint top of the table on 100%.

The first two could have been different results if we had that last minute penalty away at Shrewsbury or if Pierre used his right foot against Fleetwood. We've had a huge turn around in playing staff which inevitably takes a while to bed in, but I feel JED certainly deserves to be given at least 10 games this season to assess where we are at. He's done very well to tempt the likes of Crooks and Grimes to come and play at Sixfields and now has to quickly find the best way to get the best out of these talented players.

My own personal criticism is watching Buchanan at wing back! Really thought he'd have a good season when I thought we'd signed Powell to play in front of him. My personal belief is that 4-2-3-1 is the one best suited to our current squad.

What was I thinking. There is no balance to offer. Results are terrible and the football is worse.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: #Frank on August 26, 2017, 16:16:56 pm
I would rather see Mad Michelle, Jeema or Evers in charge for our next match.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on August 26, 2017, 16:28:38 pm
Richards and Revell playing together....again. Buchannan as wing back...again. No goal threat for the whole of the first half (and most of the second).....again. Central defenders too slow to close down a pacey attacker.... again (the first 2 goals should both have been blocked by defenders) etc, etc etc. I desperately hoped we wouldn't have to change managr again but I see no choice. He's hell bent on a system that doesn't work with the players he's decided to keep/bring to the club. I hate us to have to change managers with all the money invested in players who should be good enough at this level, but I can't imagine there is any belief left in his tactics among the players, so I hope he'll be gone by Monday.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2017, 16:40:00 pm
Great counterpoint Evers,  ::)

Nice to see that you continue to show everyone what what a clueless fool you are with your behaviour these last couple of days. Keep it up!

I will


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2017, 16:47:58 pm
Great counterpoint Evers,  ::)

Nice to see that you continue to show everyone what what a clueless fool you are with your behaviour these last couple of days. Keep it up!

Good post - clueless fool , that's a bit insulting can't remember calling you that! When you resort to insults you lose the argument.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: lift tower on August 26, 2017, 16:48:58 pm
New poster, been following the site for years.

For all of you who keep saying on here that it isn't, last season has to be seen as relevant for the fact that JED spent the summer clearing out the squad and bringing in his own players (with support and backing from the owners / KT.  If the team is struggling this year, there can be no excuses as it is his team, his formation and his success or failure.  I really, really hope we get something out of today and I refuse to hope we lose against them, just to get the manager out, but I'm not looking forward to the game in the same way I usually do.

Welcome cambs cobbler


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2677 on August 26, 2017, 16:53:14 pm
Edinburgh on radio....
'It's fine lines'.
Give me strength.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Letchworthcobbler on August 26, 2017, 16:54:28 pm
In Jed's interview,he is stating he is the right man for the job and is going nowhere! We are doomed!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: rebelspawn on August 26, 2017, 16:55:41 pm
Good post - clueless fool , that's a bit insulting can't remember calling you that! When you resort to insults you lose the argument.

no, you lost the argument when you replied 'zzzz'


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: #Frank on August 26, 2017, 16:59:00 pm
In Jed's interview,he is stating he is the right man for the job and is going nowhere! We are doomed!

Good to hear he has become a scarecrow.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 26, 2017, 17:07:48 pm
no, you lost the argument when you replied 'zzzz'
Hes good at that.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2017, 17:11:19 pm
I would rather see Mad Michelle, Jeema or Evers in charge for our next match.

Rebelspawn is yr man !


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2017, 17:12:57 pm
no, you lost the argument when you replied 'zzzz'

Zzzz - love it


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: #Frank on August 26, 2017, 17:22:55 pm
Rebelspawn is yr man !

I would take him Evers!

On the other hand I see Cheltenham are now in the bottom two in L2. Maybe there manager will become available quite soon?

(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Northampton+Town+FC+Press+Conference+Announce+XRE6FsDERPal.jpg)

 ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest49 on August 26, 2017, 17:35:51 pm
One thing slightly (and understandably) under the radar was his decision to drop Cornell in favour of the new boy. The 'nil' on several of our score lines gives a fair hint of where the bigger issues are.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: just.reading on August 26, 2017, 17:43:34 pm
One thing slightly (and understandably) under the radar was his decision to drop Cornell in favour of the new boy. The 'nil' on several of our score lines gives a fair hint of where the bigger issues are.

Well technically we have improved (with Rico/Revell too!) as we've scored two in two. Shame we've also conceded eight...


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 26, 2017, 17:47:42 pm
One thing slightly (and understandably) under the radar was his decision to drop Cornell in favour of the new boy. The 'nil' on several of our score lines gives a fair hint of where the bigger issues are.

Yep, he's done the classic thing of looking at the amount of goals conceded last week and laid it firmly at the door of the keeper. This week he's blamed the defence.

How about playing with more attacking intent? How about having players in the team, particularly out wide who can carry the ball at pace and beat a man. How about having some pace up front so opposing teams can't just deploy a high line against us without fear of us getting behind.

All of those things...or even a few of them, will improve our defence as well as our attack. If an ex professional footballer and someone who earns a living as a manager can't see or understand that there really is very little hope.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: #Frank on August 26, 2017, 17:52:15 pm
so I hope he'll be gone by Monday.

El Madrid, it's nice to see ya.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 26, 2017, 17:56:22 pm
Copied from the Chron website.
"It's nothing to do with formations or systems, it's just basic defending. You've got to run hard, you've got to play hard but some of the things that we were doing is, for me, taking the easy option and that's not the way we're going to get anywhere."

Looks to me, that Yeah/No is quite adamant about sticking to his back three, and if were lucky, we might nick a goal at some point. From a set piece.
Its not very comfortable reading. And to be honest, I cant see him lasting. Once the crowd turn, that is usually it.
All four sides of the ground singing, "your getting sacked in the morning", usually influences club owners.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 26, 2017, 18:02:16 pm
Copied from the Chron website.
"It's nothing to do with formations or systems, it's just basic defending. You've got to run hard, you've got to play hard but some of the things that we were doing is, for me, taking the easy option and that's not the way we're going to get anywhere."

Looks to me, that Yeah/No is quite adamant about sticking to his back three, and if were lucky, we might nick a goal at some point. From a set piece.
Its not very comfortable reading. And to be honest, I cant see him lasting. Once the crowd turn, that is usually it.
All four sides of the ground singing, "your getting sacked in the morning", usually influences club owners.

Even if we're being kind then we can lay the blame at either the system, the players or a combination of the two. However he spins it he choose both so all roads still lead to the same place.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: #Frank on August 26, 2017, 18:10:00 pm
Even if we're being kind then we can lay the blame at either the system, the players or a combination of the two. However he spins it he choose both so all roads still lead to the same place.

Kings Heath?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 26, 2017, 18:14:39 pm
Kings Heath?
Obviously


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Bertie on August 26, 2017, 18:15:07 pm
Bottom of the league , no points and outplayed and humiliated by our greatest rivals. Another clueless performance. Can't see any way back for JED.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2017, 18:27:18 pm
One thing slightly (and understandably) under the radar was his decision to drop Cornell in favour of the new boy. The 'nil' on several of our score lines gives a fair hint of where the bigger issues are.

An understatement if ever there was one!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: WasRambo on August 26, 2017, 18:34:21 pm
Sorry. You need to have a lot of credit in the bank to get away with this start and a 4-1 spanking at home by your most detested rivals.

He needs sacking before Monday so someone, anyone can get time with the players


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: sparky on August 26, 2017, 18:40:59 pm
Im sure this has been said but JED's  record going back over the last 12 or so games including last season is no wins. That is poor and the football is bad. No width no pace up front, the bloke seems to have no clue, and these are now his players. He has had all the backing a manager would want - so come on JED sort it or go


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2017, 18:51:28 pm
Yep, he's done the classic thing of looking at the amount of goals conceded last week and laid it firmly at the door of the keeper. This week he's blamed the defence.

How about playing with more attacking intent? How about having players in the team, particularly out wide who can carry the ball at pace and beat a man. How about having some pace up front so opposing teams can't just deploy a high line against us without fear of us getting behind.

All of those things...or even a few of them, will improve our defence as well as our attack. If an ex professional footballer and someone who earns a living as a manager can't see or understand that there really is very little hope.

I don't quite agree with this:

a)We only have one winger!
b)We have pace in Waters who is good at dribbling into dead ends!
c) I think Mr Summariser Savage was right in allowing a midfielder to run 45 yds prior to shooting. Where was our midfield?
d Nobody on our side was prepared to accept responsibility; Savage thought we were leaderless most of the time.

The only way to improve is getting a winger , a striker and decent ball winning midfielder; Savage also said that!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 26, 2017, 18:54:40 pm
I'm surprised he hasn't gone already, I was astonished to find out he was playing the same formation with the same two ageing strikers up front that failed so miserably at Charlton. Having said that we did ok up to the point they scored and then Edwards just waltzes through our defence without a care in the world and puts one in the net. After that there was never any hope for us.

I was also surprised he changed the keeper as whilst I don't think Cornell is the greatest keeper in the world he wasn't doing too much wrong. The fact that Coddington is no better means we now have two average keepers.

I was listening to JE's post match interview on Radio Northampton and thought he was struggling to put together a cohesive sentence so much so that I can't really remember what he said. Not that it matters really.



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 26, 2017, 18:58:14 pm
No apologies to the fans or any admittance yet again he got it totally wrong tactically & by starting Rico n Revs again.

He will never hold his hands up and is never going to walk away...he wants his pay off
I'm sure he's also due in court for a wrongful dismissal case agains Gills in November...unbelievable!

KT needs to pull the trigger and get rid tonight/tomorrow to give whoever is placed in temp charge (John Brady?) a chance to do something before the window closes and to get the players working as a unit on the training field.

As a long time season ticket holder, I cannot stand watching these inept negative performances any longer


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: DrillingCobbler on August 26, 2017, 19:03:28 pm
JE is treating us all with contempt.

That team selection today (following on from last week) defied any single ounce of footballing logic.

I will say it how it is. The bloke cannot and should not be anywhere near managing a football team. He hasn't got a clue.

No body who knows a single bit about football coupled with knowledge of our current squad would have selected R&R for the last two games. Or DB as a wing back. No body.

There isn't even grey area. Why is he still here?!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 26, 2017, 19:07:36 pm
Agree with Drilling. Its baffling how JED is still here. Anyone with half a footballing brain can see that. Jed needs to stick with Toni and Guy..


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 26, 2017, 19:09:37 pm
I've got a feeling he may be here for a while yet, hope I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: mr3teas on August 26, 2017, 19:12:02 pm
Walking to the ground from the grass car park I looked at Team sheet on ntfc could not believe he was playing rico revell up front and still had same formation I nearly walked back to my car but then I thought cmon lets be positive
waters must be thinking what the hell do I have to do to get in Team after in all his appearances he looks most passionate
JED must be sacked now as he is clueless and stubborn


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2017, 19:31:58 pm
No apologies to the fans or any admittance yet again he got it totally wrong tactically & by starting Rico n Revs again.

He will never hold his hands up and is never going to walk away...he wants his pay off
I'm sure he's also due in court for a wrongful dismissal case agains Gills in November...unbelievable!

KT needs to pull the trigger and get rid tonight/tomorrow to give whoever is placed in temp charge (John Brady?) a chance to do something before the window closes and to get the players working as a unit on the training field.

As a long time season ticket holder, I cannot stand watching these inept negative performances any longer

Please dont take this the wrong way, but were you the bloke, longish white hair getting so animated with JE after each goal went in? In lower West about J127 - J134? Plenty of anger/passion there.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest1269 on August 26, 2017, 19:34:53 pm
Evers - I understand your loyalty and not getting on to the knee jerk reaction - but surely you can see it is never ever going to work with this man in charge


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 26, 2017, 19:39:20 pm
Please dont take this the wrong way, but were you the bloke, longish white hair getting so animated with JE after each goal went in? In lower West about J127 - J134? Plenty of anger/passion there.

Nope, not me fella, I'm in the North...

To be honest, I didn't get at all animated whatsoever today...

After seeing the same negative formation and ineffective Rico n Revs partnership when the teams were announced, it was obvious we would lose, just a case of by how many...

So predictable sadly, get rid now!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3023 on August 26, 2017, 20:05:06 pm
I tried to feel positive despite the selection/formation, but it was apparent to me from 10 minutes in there was no clue when going forward and the chances of scoring a goal were between slim to none. The players reactions following the first goal said it all - heads down, hands on hips, slowly walking back to the centre circle. It was as if the players knew the game was gone there and then. No belief that they could take the game to 'boro, and it was this that I think is most damning of JED's management. Conceding a goal for a team with confidence/belief should be seen as nothing but a blip, but it knocked whatever stuffing was left in the team completely out of them.

As to the selection, why Long did not start if fit, and why Revell/McWilliams was preferred to Waters or Powell for that matter I find baffling. At one point in the second half Maloney was attempting to take on their full back, but received no support - McWilliams was closest but was static, as if he was daydreaming. Theirs and other teams players would have been giving support as par for the course, the difference was glaring to me. McWilliams needs to be sent out on loan to get games and needs more nurturing as I feel he was thrown in at the deep end in this match as he was in his sub appearance against Fleetwood.

To play 5-3-2 with Buchanan and Maloney as (unsuitable, lacking in pace and crossing ability) wing-backs, with the lacking in pace Revell and Richards up top and an inexperienced youngster in a midfield of three was more or less inviting the result that transpired.

I was surprised to see that Forrester, who I think is a quality player at this level, had not been starting matches for them this season, and after today with the way they played I can see why. They are light years ahead of us at the moment.

Only 'positive' I take from today is that Peterborough and Fleetwood are going to be two of the better teams this season, both teams looked better than any team bar maybe Sheffield Utd from last season, and could well be top 6 along with Wigan and Blackburn come May.

Regardless, I feel JED must go now.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2017, 20:06:59 pm
Evers - I understand your loyalty and not getting on to the knee jerk reaction - but surely you can see it is never ever going to work with this man in charge

I had my doubts after Shrewsbury, now JED has done the unthinkable & lost to P'boro. I feel sorry for KT everything in tatters; never mind what the Chinese are thinking :-X.
I don't like the knee jerkers, typical reaction to another defeat. Sacking JE may send the wrong message to any potential incoming manager as who wants to be a Manger at a sacking orientated club. Listening to JE on NTFC Radio he is no shrinking violet and TBH thought he could still get us out of trouble.Time is still on our side tho', but if we lose against Cambridge or fail to beat Doncaster then that will be curtains for him. Cant say that I would be sorry. I just merely console myself that the great CW apparently suffered 4/5 defeats at the beginning of last season!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 26, 2017, 20:46:16 pm
I previously said we'd get hammered today and then probably win that wanky meaningless game on Tuesday, which would give JE a stay of execution...papering over his enormous tactical cracks.

That's why we need to get rid NOW!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: BackOfTheNet on August 26, 2017, 22:27:43 pm
What I find odd is that despite his stubbornness in sticking to the 5-3-2 formation in his team selection, as soon as things go to shìt he reverts to 4-4-2 in an effort to get back into the game, which to me is a tacit admission that we're more effective (or at least more of a goal threat) when using that formation. While we weren't great in the second half, I did think we looked more likely to score than the first, which admittedly isn't saying much, but I'll bet if he's still here in two week's time he'll start the next league game with a 5-3-2 again. It's like he's trying to prove a point.

Beyond the stubbornness, what bothers me is that despite having what I consider to be a talented set of players, we don't show so much as a hint of creativity in our play. Not just from open play either, our set pieces are so mundane and predictable the opposition barely has to break a sweat to deal with them. There's no one making runs into the box, no decoy runs, no real movement at all to speak of, no dummies in the taking of free kicks; they just line up in the box and someone lumps the ball into the mixer. We are utterly devoid of any guile.

And that has to sit with the manager. I genuinely don't like the fact that we keep changing managers, we need to give people time but bloody hell, there are times when you have to recognise that things just aren't working and it really looks to me like we've now had two duff managers in a row. If KT is going to bite the bullet on this, he needs to do it now. If he moves quickly there's a chance the new manager will have the opportunity to bring one or two players in (preferably wide men) before the window closes. Even if that isn't possible, making a change now at least means the new man will have the best part of a couple of weeks to get their ideas into the squad before the next match.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2017, 22:39:11 pm
What I find odd is that despite his stubbornness in sticking to the 5-3-2 formation in his team selection, as soon as things go to shìt he reverts to 4-4-2 in an effort to get back into the game, which to me is a tacit admission that we're more effective (or at least more of a goal threat) when using that formation. While we weren't great in the second half, I did think we looked more likely to score than the first, which admittedly isn't saying much, but I'll bet if he's still here in two week's time he'll start the next league game with a 5-3-2 again. It's like he's trying to prove a point.

Beyond the stubbornness, what bothers me is that despite having what I consider to be a talented set of players, we don't show so much as a hint of creativity in our play. Not just from open play either, our set pieces are so mundane and predictable the opposition barely has to break a sweat to deal with them. There's no one making runs into the box, no decoy runs, no real movement at all to speak of, no dummies in the taking of free kicks; they just line up in the box and someone lumps the ball into the mixer. We are utterly devoid of any guile.

And that has to sit with the manager. I genuinely don't like the fact that we keep changing managers, we need to give people time but bloody hell, there are times when you have to recognise that things just aren't working and it really looks to me like we've now had two duff managers in a row. If KT is going to bite the bullet on this, he needs to do it now. If he moves quickly there's a chance the new manager will have the opportunity to bring one or two players in (preferably wide men) before the window closes. Even if that isn't possible, making a change now at least means the new man will have the best part of a couple of weeks to get their ideas into the squad before the next match.

+


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cobbler78 on August 26, 2017, 22:47:48 pm

Beyond the stubbornness, what bothers me is that despite having what I consider to be a talented set of players, we don't show so much as a hint of creativity in our play. Not just from open play either, our set pieces are so mundane and predictable the opposition barely has to break a sweat to deal with them. There's no one making runs into the box, no decoy runs, no real movement at all to speak of, no dummies in the taking of free kicks; they just line up in the box and someone lumps the ball into the mixer. We are utterly devoid of any guile.


I genuinely think this is the reason he plays 3 centre backs plus Rico and Revs, his only attacking plan is to lump it from any free kick into the box to the 5 big men to fight for, even from our own half. Not only is it not working, it's not good to watch. I don't mind losing so much if we are playing good football and I'm entertained, at the moment no results no entertainment is not a good combo for JED.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: BackOfTheNet on August 26, 2017, 22:49:53 pm
I don't mind losing so much if we are playing good football and I'm entertained, at the moment no results no entertainment is not a good combo for JED.

I completely agree with you on that. It's the nature of the performances as much as the results.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Blackadder on August 26, 2017, 23:48:46 pm
Equally amazed he's survived but deep down we all know he'll be here for a while yet.

I've got a season ticket and already trying to find reasons not to go to the next game, it's mind numbing to watch and we haven't came close to winning a game in what 6 months now?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 26, 2017, 23:59:15 pm
I was all up for supporting JED before today .
I think he's a decent bloke but after today I'm not sure .
Picking Revell and Rico to start and 3 at the back just about deserves the sack on it's own.
He has to go I'm afraid


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: cobbler150 on August 27, 2017, 01:12:48 am
It was an awful day. Up there with the away performance under Page.

JED is highly incapable of managing a football team. He refuses to adapt, admitt hes wrong or make any connection with the fans.

Hes spent money on an inbalanced squad, no natural width, no creative spark and no identity regarding play.
I also have a strong feeling he commands any respect from the players.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 27, 2017, 06:15:18 am
Equally amazed he's survived but deep down we all know he'll be here for a while yet.

I've got a season ticket and already trying to find reasons not to go to the next game, it's mind numbing to watch and we haven't came close to winning a game in what 6 months now?

I'm not sure why several people are saying that deep down we know that he'll be here for a while - surely his position is untenable? It's only been a few hours since the final whistle - KT's still got today and tomorrow to do the right thing.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 27, 2017, 06:29:40 am


JED must be sacked om momday, I am VERY ANGRY.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: ceebee2 on August 27, 2017, 08:35:57 am
I'm in the let's sack JED camp, but a quick look at the table sees the Cobblers first 4 opponents in 1st 3rd 4th and 5th spots in the league so you could conclude that our position is simply down to bad luck with the fixtures while a new team and style of play was bedding in.

If that is the case (which I don't think it is) we have had some luck in that we were due to play the team in 2nd place next weekend and could easily have recorded a 5th straight defeat. Thankfully that game has been postponed to another day due to (their) international commitments so JED will have 2 weeks and a practice match against Cambridge to get this total mess of a season start sorted and us back on track.

I don't think KT will act yet but if things haven't got better by mid September he will have to, there will be no more hiding places left for JED.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on August 27, 2017, 08:49:23 am
Walking to the ground from the grass car park I looked at Team sheet on ntfc could not believe he was playing rico revell up front and still had same formation I nearly walked back to my car but then I thought cmon lets be positive
waters must be thinking what the hell do I have to do to get in Team after in all his appearances he looks most passionate
JED must be sacked now as he is clueless and stubborn
You also realised you'd paid £3 for the grass car park...and it would have been the biggest waste of £3 in a long while! Get your money's worth...at least an hour!  ;)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 27, 2017, 09:28:35 am
I'm in the let's sack JED camp, but a quick look at the table sees the Cobblers first 4 opponents in 1st 3rd 4th and 5th spots in the league so you could conclude that our position is simply down to bad luck with the fixtures while a new team and style of play was bedding in.

If that is the case (which I don't think it is) we have had some luck in that we were due to play the team in 2nd place next weekend and could easily have recorded a 5th straight defeat. Thankfully that game has been postponed to another day due to (their) international commitments so JED will have 2 weeks and a practice match against Cambridge to get this total mess of a season start sorted and us back on track.

I don't think KT will act yet but if things haven't got better by mid September he will have to, there will be no more hiding places left for JED.

The flip side to that argument is that the teams we have played could be up there, in part, due to the fact they've played us and it's us that aren't very good rather than them being good. The truth is probably somewhere between those two arguments. It's only really valid if those four all finish in the top 5, I'll be very surprised if that's the case.

Also if the style of play (ignoring the formation) for the moment we have seen is the one we're trying to bed in then we're in big trouble.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cobbler78 on August 27, 2017, 10:05:13 am
The flip side to that argument is that the teams we have played could be up there, in part, due to the fact they've played us and it's us that aren't very good rather than them being good. The truth is probably somewhere between those two arguments. It's only really valid if those four all finish in the top 5, I'll be very surprised if that's the case.

Also if the style of play (ignoring the formation) for the moment we have seen is the one we're trying to bed in then we're in big trouble.

Realistically we have only dropped points in the home games, I would have expected to be on 3 or 4 points from these opening 4 games, so we are not too far off the pace. The main problem I have with JED is the same as most on here.

1) Two of our best players (Buchs and Moloney) playing out of position.
2) Three centre back
3) Playing Rico and Revs together
4) No width to our play
5) Dull unattractive football.

If he moves away from points 1 to 4 that should automatically solve point 5. We have the makings of an excellent team here, easily top half. If he changes formation, I'm not against him staying til Xmas before we reassess, if not, he has to go.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Tohishorse on August 27, 2017, 10:16:54 am
I do not post on this forum very often but I am so angry that JED played a discredited formation against our biggest rivals who then humiliated us with the score line. JED seems either stubborn or clueless or both and must go. On paper we have a very good squad but on the pitch the results speak for themselves. PLease Kelvin fire him sooner rather than later his statistics make gri reading.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 27, 2017, 10:19:39 am
Realistically we have only dropped points in the home games, I would have expected to be on 3 or 4 points from these opening 4 games, so we are not too far off the pace. The main problem I have with JED is the same as most on here.

1) Two of our best players (Buchs and Moloney) playing out of position.
2) Three centre back
3) Playing Rico and Revs together
4) No width to our play
5) Dull unattractive football.

If he moves away from points 1 to 4 that should automatically solve point 5. We have the makings of an excellent team here, easily top half. If he changes formation, I'm not against him staying til Xmas before we reassess, if not, he has to go.

Agree with all the points except points expectation, I thought 4-6 would have been a par range for our games, I don't think it was unreasonable to expect something from Shrewsbury away whatever their start has been, also to just bend over in a derby games is a huge concern.

As has been said loads on here and elsewhere it's the performances that have worried me more than the results. If the style of play had been positive and we found ourselves on 1 or 2 points I think most would have been happy to give JED time and accept arguments about the quality/form of the opposition and time for the players to gel etc.

As it is it has been dirge and we have 0 points, that with a humping at home against your rivals is a toxic combination


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bungle on August 27, 2017, 10:30:54 am
I'm in the let's sack JED camp, but a quick look at the table sees the Cobblers first 4 opponents in 1st 3rd 4th and 5th spots in the league so you could conclude that our position is simply down to bad luck with the fixtures

If we had scored more than two consolation goals, conceded less than 8 goals in the last two games (despite our much vaunted 5-man defence) and hadn't prolonged what is now a 13-game winless run dating back from last season then this argument would have some validity.

I can't understand how people are even playing devil's advocate with this. JED's ineptitude has now far surpassed that of the likes of Page and Hoofroyd. One look at JED's team sheet - despite having options that his predecessors would have killed for- is now enough to know that we will get absolutely hammered. He is now firmly in the Terry Fenwick/Martin Wilkinson league of ineptitude and he reminds me most of Wilko because he is failing despite having been given decent money to spend.

KT has to act decisively if he is to retain any semblance of consistency. When he sacked Page we were 16th in the league and had actually achieved some half decent results at the start of the season (mostly off the back of the championship-winning momentum). He made the right decision then and he needs to do so again before things get even worse.

The pooh game for me, was the last straw. His idea of a tactical change was dropping the goalkeeper (who despite his limitations has been far from responsible for our poor form) and making a few like-for-like changes in midfield. If he survives to play another game I fully expect him to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic once more and drop one of the central defenders for Poole whilst keeping the front two exactly the same. (Revell scored a goal you see, and if it wasn't for individual mistakes and 'fine margins' we would have got a result.  ::))

His comments about systems being unimportant simply emphasise his staggering tactical naivety. I'm sure that any decent manager from Conte to Wilder would laugh in his face if they heard such nonsense.




Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: SteveRiches on August 27, 2017, 10:31:23 am
I'd have thought that by now the extended statistics tell you all you need to know. Kelvin Thomas has a good brain so he'll know what needs to be done...the only query would be whether he considers lengthening the rope to allow the culprit a better chance of hanging himself.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 27, 2017, 11:32:40 am
I don't get the arguments that we "only expected" to have a few points on the board or we have played the top teams so we've had a tough start!

With the first one, of you look at the games against the same teams last season.....

Shrewsbury away......won last, lost this
Fleetwood home......drew last and lost this
Charlton away......drew last and lost this
Boro at home......lost in the last minute last season and totally outclassed and battered this.

So we're at least 5 points down, maybe more if you think we have a better squad this season than last.

Secondly, as already pointed out, when we've given these teams 3 points each then at this early stage in the season you'd expect them to be high in the league when only 12 points have been available!!

Yesterday was my first game of the season due to holidays, but it was the same old same old. No urgency, hoofball, precious little football, players looking lost, players failing to support their teammates, players not making runs, players not backing up, general lack of pace, and boring bland football.
Outclassed by a team who were two yards quicker to everything, whose workrate was twice what ours was, and to be honest a team who didn't even need to get out of second gear.

Its one thing to be set on a formation (3-5-2), but if you're going to be set on it you surely must work on it in training? 5 games in and it looked like the players were lost out there, still no idea where they were meant to be. If the amount of effort that was put in is acceptable then that's what we're going to get served up.

It looked like this last season too, and also under Page. We seem to have had two lots of managerial and coaching staff who thought that hard work and 110% effort are not required. We need a disciplinarian in there, we need workrate to be upped across the board, we need leadership, we need someone barking at the players, thinking on their feet, changing things when things are not going well. What we have is half-hearted performances on the pitch and a manager who stands motionless with his arms folded on the edge of the technical area looking like little boy lost.

We should be doing so much better, we have a decent squad on paper, there are some decent individuals in there, but can you see the current manager getting anything out of them or making them realise their full potential? I can't, and that is why, for me, he has to go and go now.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 27, 2017, 11:48:01 am
If he moves away from points 1 to 4 that should automatically solve point 5. We have the makings of an excellent team here, easily top half. If he changes formation, I'm not against him staying til Xmas before we reassess, if not, he has to go.

If he is still here at Xmas we will be relegated by then. Frankly I cannot see us winning another game with him in charge, and I am not counting the meaningless Cambridge game. We have now gone 13 games without a win (yes last season is relevant) and he needs to go now.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: nilnildraw on August 27, 2017, 11:54:23 am
I'm sorry Cobbler fans but as a Gillingham fan what is happening up there is no surprise to us at Gills. It is a familiar pattern, the longer jed was with us the worse we got, players not fit enough, late goals against etc. Jed is a dour uncommunicative manager who does not respect us ''punters'' and does not have the skills to work at this level. He left the Gills in a terrible state that will take some time to recover from, luckily for you I believe you have new investors so hopefully you will eventually recover. I wish you well for the rest of the season, except when you play us, and the sooner you get a jexit the better, I would not wish this person on any supporter of any club. Come On You Gills.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 27, 2017, 11:56:17 am
I'm sorry Cobbler fans but as a Gillingham fan what is happening up there is no surprise to us at Gills. It is a familiar pattern, the longer jed was with us the worse we got, players not fit enough, late goals against etc. Jed is a dour uncommunicative manager who does not respect us ''punters'' and does not have the skills to work at this level. He left the Gills in a terrible state that will take some time to recover from, luckily for you I believe you have new investors so hopefully you will eventually recover. I wish you well for the rest of the season, except when you play us, and the sooner you get a jexit the better, I would not wish this person on any supporter of any club. Come On You Gills.

Jexit, love it !


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: cobbler150 on August 27, 2017, 12:02:35 pm
JEXIT 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on August 27, 2017, 12:06:04 pm
I previously said we'd get hammered today and then probably win that wanky meaningless game on Tuesday, which would give JE a stay of execution...papering over his enormous tactical cracks.

That's why we need to get rid NOW!

I said the same last week, but after watching that performance I'm not so sure we're got it in us to beat Cambridge - or anyone else. Listening to JE's post match interview was bizarre. How can someone working as a professional football manager have such tunnel vision? The whole world and his dog can see things aren't working, yet the manager talks about lack of effort and concentration from certain players as being the cause of our woes. Yes no, but what about poor team selection and equally poor tactics, eh?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Manwork04 on August 27, 2017, 12:09:06 pm
Realistically we have only dropped points in the home games, I would have expected to be on 3 or 4 points from these opening 4 games, so we are not too far off the pace. The main problem I have with JED is the same as most on here.

1) Two of our best players (Buchs and Moloney) playing out of position.
2) Three centre back
3) Playing Rico and Revs together
4) No width to our play
5) Dull unattractive football.

If he moves away from points 1 to 4 that should automatically solve point 5. We have the makings of an excellent team here, easily top half. If he changes formation, I'm not against him staying til Xmas before we reassess, if not, he has to go.
Not too far off the pace  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Insider on August 27, 2017, 12:09:29 pm
Reports coming in that KT was at Sixfileds very early this morning. And I'd wager not to polish his desk.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 27, 2017, 12:13:48 pm
Reports coming in that KT was at Sixfileds very early this morning. And I'd wager not to polish his desk.


He was probably at the car boot sale  ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Insider on August 27, 2017, 12:19:41 pm
He was probably at the car boot sale  ;D

Flogging unwanted coaching badges and an A to Z of Gillingham that someone had left in the office.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2017, 13:02:43 pm
Reports coming in that KT was at Sixfileds very early this morning. And I'd wager not to polish his desk.


That is my kind of report  ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 27, 2017, 13:16:02 pm
Reports coming in that KT was at Sixfileds very early this morning. And I'd wager not to polish his desk.


I feel for KT talk about between rock and hard place! Not a lot of sympathy for JE tho' not after yesterday. Yesterday was a big opportunity but it was squandered by poor selection; not the system mind you!
Much talk about last season being part of JE's demise; in a debate this would not be serious consideration as the circumstances are very different. However it is part of the fabric and for many difficult not to equate with his performance this season. Whatever we may think he will be judged by this season which on reflection is sufficient for early dismissal. Even that is debatable and perhaps harsh.



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: BackOfTheNet on August 27, 2017, 13:34:31 pm
Reports coming in that KT was at Sixfileds very early this morning. And I'd wager not to polish his desk.


I wouldn't be surprised if things are afoot. I commented last night on the look on KT's face as I was leaving yesterday. He was standing in his seat and staring into the middle distance as people milled out around him; clearly a man with things on his mind, and I suspect it wasn't what he was going to have for his tea that night.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 27, 2017, 13:55:56 pm
As the players were getting ready for the 2nd half he was deep in conversation with a fellow director and they were almost laughing at the players warming up.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: ajp on August 27, 2017, 14:02:32 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if things are afoot. I commented last night on the look on KT's face as I was leaving yesterday. He was standing in his seat and staring into the middle distance as people milled out around him; clearly a man with things on his mind, and I suspect it wasn't what he was going to have for his tea that night.

It was probably whether he could be arsed with this anymore what with the likelihood of pressure coming from above.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on August 27, 2017, 14:45:32 pm
JED had an opportunity, perhaps his last opportunity, to get himself out of jail yesterday but blew it completely with the line-up and the decision to play Richards & Revell, a partnership that has failed consistently.  What we saw was a return to the Boothroyd days of hoofball and it was dreadful to watch. What this demonstrates is that JED is stubborn and inflexible in his thinking. Add to that a touch of arrogance that he knows better than us and I expect his P45 is not many hours away.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 27, 2017, 14:46:15 pm
Fingers crossed KT isn't stubborn


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Monkey on August 27, 2017, 14:47:51 pm
Someone said somewhere that it would cost £500k to pay the management team off? If that is the case, surely it would be good business sense to put something in to a manager's contract to state that if a win % drops below a set amount, or if there is a winless streak of x amount games then at the very least, the compensation is significantly reduced in the event of a sacking. The manager could get protection by the clause being null and void if their budget drops below a certain amount.

The season is probably now a write-off after 1 month which is depressing. Either a new manager comes in a will be just working to keep us up with someone else's team (bar a few tweaks in Jan), or we stick with JED who is appearing to be more inept every week. Our only hope is that the players will want to work with the new manager and he can get the best out of what should be a very good team on paper.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 27, 2017, 14:56:37 pm

His comments about systems being unimportant.......


Did he really say this? If he really believes this then why isn't he changing the one that isn't working, clearly he believes they do matter if he's so wedded to narrow, negative implementations of formations. The sort of rubbish Redknapp (and his protege Sherwood) have been spouting for years, while banging on the chairmans door for more money for players.

Any system (within reason) can be successful, of course it can. But you have to get the right players and attributes into the side.

As hard as it is to say our opposition yesterday gave a very good demonstration on how to set up a 3-4-1-2. Centre Backs splitting wide with the ball and largely competent with the ball at feet. Wing backs who not only get high up the pitch, even into the opposition box but can also travel at pace with the ball at feet and beat a man. They managed to track back when needed too. Up front they were mobile, always on the move, pulling wide and trying to run in behind. JED must surely have no argument left that his vision and his implementation of the 3-4-1-2/3-5-2 is completely wrong on pretty much every level.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 27, 2017, 15:01:00 pm
Someone said somewhere that it would cost £500k to pay the management team off? If that is the case, surely it would be good business sense to put something in to a manager's contract to state that if a win % drops below a set amount, or if there is a winless streak of x amount games then at the very least, the compensation is significantly reduced in the event of a sacking. The manager could get protection by the clause being null and void if their budget drops below a certain amount.

The season is probably now a write-off after 1 month which is depressing. Either a new manager comes in a will be just working to keep us up with someone else's team (bar a few tweaks in Jan), or we stick with JED who is appearing to be more inept every week. Our only hope is that the players will want to work with the new manager and he can get the best out of what should be a very good team on paper.

You raise a very good point, I think all contracts in football, but particularly managers are deeply flawed but it is so easily rectified. Surely, at the start of the season the budget is agreed and, based on that a target league position / points target set. As you say if you're x amount below par for that target during the season then you are at risk of being fired for poor performance. It could even be reviewed at each transfer window to prevent an owner selling a raft of players in January and slashing the budget.

Of course, where it falls down is when a manager has 2 or more options, he'll simply convince one of the clubs to remove such a clause and go there.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest48 on August 27, 2017, 16:40:51 pm
After yesterday, this has crossed my mind, Is JED deliberately trying for a pay off ? It is painfully obvious that Rico & Revs doesn't work, it didn't work last season and it hasn't worked this season. We have been pretty dreadful in every game we have played 3-5-2. We have all seen this so JED MUST have seen it as well, but he continues with the same.
    Think about this, JED is not going to get another managers job in the League when he leaves us, if it's this week or in two years at the end of his contract, so why not take the 2 year pay off and then get another job somewhere like coaching Spurs youth team, because that's the kind of job he'll finish up with. I can think of no other reason to pick a team and formation that was almost guaranteed to lose to our biggest rivals.
    I can take losing, it comes with the job of being a Cobblers fan, but I really dislike being embarrassed, and yesterday was embarrassing. 


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 27, 2017, 17:01:00 pm
Every likelihood that JED will soon have 2 compo packages being paid out at the same time in the space of 9 months - I think that says it all about his abilities. Am I clutching at straws or is the almost complete news blackout today - apart from the car boot of course - deliberate and something might be in the offing?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 27, 2017, 17:05:13 pm
Think about this, JED is not going to get another managers job in the League when he leaves us, if it's this week or in two years at the end of his contract, so why not take the 2 year pay off and then get another job somewhere like coaching Spurs youth team, because that's the kind of job he'll finish up with. I can think of no other reason to pick a team and formation that was almost guaranteed to lose to our biggest rivals.
    I can take losing, it comes with the job of being a Cobblers fan, but I really dislike being embarrassed, and yesterday was embarrassing.  
You just never know whats around the corner.
The last two that we sacked, are currently managing England and Wales under 21s.
   


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 27, 2017, 17:24:38 pm
As soon as he selected Rico and Revell to start that game , he effectively put a noise around his neck .
He then pulled it tighter himself by continuing to play 3 at the back with a Buchanan at wing back .
After all that has been said , for this decision alone he deserves the sack .
To make things even worst , Rico and Revs were extremely poor throughout and remained on the pitch after half time .
Once again , both wing backs who should be heavily involved and see a lot of the ball in this system were anonymous .
Apparently there's been a lot of unrest at the club with senior players insisting on game time .
Well the main protagonist has cleared off , maybe some of the others should go with JED on Monday .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 27, 2017, 17:55:56 pm
As soon as he selected Rico and Revell to start that game , he effectively put a noise around his neck .
He then pulled it tighter himself by continuing to play 3 at the back with a Buchanan at wing back .
After all that has been said , for this decision alone he deserves the sack .
To make things even worst , Rico and Revs were extremely poor throughout and remained on the pitch after half time .
Once again , both wing backs who should be heavily involved and see a lot of the ball in this system were anonymous .
Apparently there's been a lot of unrest at the club with senior players insisting on game time .
Well the main protagonist has cleared off , maybe some of the others should go with JED on Monday .

I would have thought if/when JED goes some of the senior players might be in temporary charge.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 27, 2017, 19:40:09 pm
I would have thought if/when JED goes some of the senior players might be in temporary charge.
Possibly, if Brady doesn't take temporary charge .
One thing is for sure , Rico and Revell can't bang on JEDs door demanding selection any more .
They were shocking


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 27, 2017, 19:46:14 pm
Possibly, if Brady doesn't take temporary charge .
One thing is for sure , Rico and Revell can't bang on JEDs door demanding selection any more .
They were shocking

I agree about Rico - he was awful and looked every one of his 35 years, I thought revs was a bit better he won lots of flicks but didn't have the pace of long or Walters alongside to capitalise.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Insider on August 27, 2017, 19:52:55 pm
Possibly, if Brady doesn't take temporary charge .
One thing is for sure , Rico and Revell can't bang on JEDs door demanding selection any more .
They were shocking

Couldn't agree more. They look like a couple of Keystone Cops - their legs are spinning, but they are going nowhere.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 27, 2017, 20:07:28 pm
Couldn't agree more. They look like a couple of Keystone Cops - their legs are spinning, but they are going nowhere.
The one thing you would expect them to do is hold the ball up .
They didn't do it once in the whole match .
How Revell stayed on that pitch I will never know .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2017, 20:35:08 pm
The one thing you would expect them to do is hold the ball up .
They didn't do it once in the whole match .
How Revell stayed on that pitch I will never know .

I find it fascinating how people see the game so differently. I heard and have since read several who thought Revell played well yesterday.
I am with you 100%. I thought he was abysmal.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 27, 2017, 20:45:29 pm
I find it fascinating how people see the game so differently. I heard and have since read several who thought Revell played well yesterday.
I am with you 100%. I thought he was abysmal.

I thought he was more effective than Rico in the target man role, he won plenty of ball but no one read his flicks. He also scored and harried the defenders by chasing them down, at least he showed effort, more than most of the others.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: corno_ntfc on August 27, 2017, 20:47:24 pm
I find it fascinating how people see the game so differently. I heard and have since read several who thought Revell played well yesterday.
I am with you 100%. I thought he was abysmal.

Some see what they want to see.

Couldn't believe when Long was about to come in, that Rico was the one to make way!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Quintonside on August 27, 2017, 21:06:02 pm
It is all about opinions.

I think it comes down to the style that the team the play, as much as the formation.

I certainly would not say Revs was abysmal, i think he did ok, with what was thrown into him, but he and Rico were just too far apart. And to add to that, grimes who was playing as a 10 was the guy firing the balls in to Revs, so if Rico wasn't picking up the flick on, then no one was.

Me personally would go with Long and Revell as a front two in a league game, but Joe and/or Leon derserve a go on Tuesday to try and change that.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 27, 2017, 21:11:16 pm
I thought he was more effective than Rico in the target man role, he won plenty of ball but no one read his flicks. He also scored and harried the defenders by chasing them down, at least he showed effort, more than most of the others.

He won plenty of ball ??
Their centre halves won everything as they did when we played them last season .
Revell closes down but I'd rather see energy consumed with better forward movement .
Rico is simply static


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 27, 2017, 21:16:42 pm
He won plenty of ball ??
Their centre halves won everything as they did when we played them last season .
Revell closes down but I'd rather see energy consumed with better forward movement .
Rico is simply static

Yes, he did win quite a bit. Certainly more than Richards.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: mr3teas on August 27, 2017, 21:35:22 pm
Rico and Revell are finished if JED is sacked they will not get anywhere near the first team


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: ajp on August 27, 2017, 21:40:12 pm
It's all been a bit quiet on the clubs twitter feed today, should we read anything into that...


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: sparky on August 27, 2017, 21:41:52 pm
Spot on with those 2 up front - would be ok if we had with width and pace wide to get balls in.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2090 on August 27, 2017, 21:53:43 pm
Couldn't agree more. They look like a couple of Keystone Cops - their legs are spinning, but they are going nowhere.

Disagree as far as revell is concerned, very easy to knock given the lack of goals but he worked his nuts off and won many flick ons that no one anticipated


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: mr3teas on August 27, 2017, 21:59:11 pm
Disagree as far as revell is concerned, very easy to knock given the lack of goals but he worked his nuts off and won many flick ons that no one anticipated
That's the problem predictable


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 27, 2017, 22:05:20 pm
At the end of the day , we had no attacking threat at all and haven't had for a dozen games at least .
The proof is in the pudding !


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest47 on August 27, 2017, 22:11:30 pm
The problem for KT is to lose one manager may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on August 27, 2017, 23:12:51 pm
Dear Mr. Kelvin Thomas, just under 2 years ago you saved our club from extinction for which we are eternally grateful. The time has now come to repeat history. Please do the right thing as soon as possible. Thank you.   


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Blackadder on August 27, 2017, 23:45:09 pm
Dear Mr. Kelvin Thomas, just under 2 years ago you saved our club from extinction for which we are eternally grateful. The time has now come to repeat history. Please do the right thing as soon as possible. Thank you.   

Bit extreme? Relegation from league 1 is part of being a cobblers fan it's happened thrice in my time. Only once has the club needed saving for which I'm very grateful.

I can assure you relegation is not a repeat of Cardoza 'losing'  £12m and having a court date set for our wind up.

I do think he should go but we'll be relegated sooner or later anyway, it's lower league football.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on August 28, 2017, 08:24:43 am
I thought Revell was awful. No point winning flicks if there's nobody to flick on to and in any case 9 times out of ten he was muscled off the ball by the defender who, as a result won the headers. He doesn't seem to use his sizeable body at all when going for headers. Rico, to me, is a more complete player, harder to shake off the ball, more mobile, faster (though that's not saying much) and looks fitter than Revell. Whoever, you prefer, there's no doubt that you can only afford one of them in the side.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2677 on August 28, 2017, 08:38:15 am
I thought Revell was awful. No point winning flicks if there's nobody to flick on to and in any case 9 times out of ten he was muscled off the ball by the defender who, as a result won the headers. He doesn't seem to use his sizeable body at all when going for headers. Rico, to me, is a more complete player, harder to shake off the ball, more mobile, faster (though that's not saying much) and looks fitter than Revell. Whoever, you prefer, there's no doubt that you can only afford one of them in the side.
Agreed in the main although I'm not sure he's the quicker. Look at the positions Richards gets into to receive the final ball. His league goalscoring record reflects the fact he is a better finisher. If it's one, it has to be Rico.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on August 28, 2017, 08:42:33 am
More to the point, is JED in charge of training this morning or locked in a meeting with the Chairman?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on August 28, 2017, 08:43:55 am
I thought Revell was awful. No point winning flicks if there's nobody to flick on to and in any case 9 times out of ten he was muscled off the ball by the defender who, as a result won the headers. He doesn't seem to use his sizeable body at all when going for headers. Rico, to me, is a more complete player, harder to shake off the ball, more mobile, faster (though that's not saying much) and looks fitter than Revell. Whoever, you prefer, there's no doubt that you can only afford one of them in the side.

Top and bottom of it is neither are any longer good enough to play league 1 football. It was the case for large parts of last year and nothing has changed


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 28, 2017, 08:53:09 am
More to the point, is JED in charge of training this morning or locked in a meeting with the Chairman?

It's a bank holiday, maybe KT would rather spend it with his family. If nothing happens today then he'll be in charge for at least the Cambridge match, not that I will be going.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: tcobb on August 28, 2017, 09:00:11 am
Both of the old farts up front need to go. Bring in pace and movement.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 28, 2017, 09:01:43 am
I did say JED will be sacked on Monday, but I forgot about the bank holiday!! He will be history by Tuesday. Good riddance!!!.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 28, 2017, 09:09:08 am
I hope you are right defender as I can't see us winning a match with him in charge, however I doubt he'll be sacked on the day of a match.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 09:15:23 am
The club has ended its twitter silence this morning so we can't read anything into that anymore, Gareth probably just had a day off yesterday. Please let there be some news today - we've gone past the point of no return.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 28, 2017, 09:16:27 am
He's far too stubborn to change imo, EXACTLY as the Gills fan described him...

I want him to succeed but just can't see him ever saying "I was wrong about the 532 formation and should never have played it with the players assembled".

Scenario will probably be...in typical cobblers fashion, hammered Sat, keep his job then win that wanky meaningless game v Cambridge then hammered v Wigan...then he's finally sacked and of course the transfer window will then be closed!

I'm bored to tears with his negative tactics...get rid now while we've still got the season to salvage

This...but Wigan postponed game now replaced by Donny home game...

If he doesn't go before Cambridge game we are lumbered and KT and the sunshine band will have made a humongous mistake.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on August 28, 2017, 09:18:43 am
Both of the old farts up front need to go. Bring in pace and movement.

He'll probably try some new legs up front tomorrow...before reverting to the tried and trusted for the next league game.  :-[


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: ntfc01 on August 28, 2017, 09:20:56 am
This...but Wigan postponed game now replaced by Donny home game...

If he doesn't go before Cambridge game we are lumbered and KT and the sunshine band will have made a humongous mistake.

He isn't going to be sacked, well not just yet anyway... Well that's my gut instinct anyway, not based on any insider knowledge, just a feeling in my water


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 28, 2017, 09:22:46 am
He'll probably try some new legs up front tomorrow...before reverting to the tried and trusted for the next league game.  :-[

Wouldn't be surprised if we play 442 / 433, young Joe, Lobjoit and Walters all bang in hat tricks in 9 nil win.

He then reverts to 532 v Donny with Rico n Revs yet again leading the line!  ::)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 28, 2017, 10:21:52 am
More to the point, is JED in charge of training this morning or locked in a meeting with the Chairman?

Where's Insider when you need him  :)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest49 on August 28, 2017, 10:39:50 am
I don't agree on some of the contract points. IMO if they offer 2/3 year contracts they should be honoured. To avoid that risk they could just offer annual contracts, minimising any payout.
Whilst not defending JE, what a horrible industry to work in. Despite what most spout, most of us are fortunate to have jobs you can't just be fired from. Even with poor performance you'd go through a series of meetings, before HR bottled it and paid compo or compromised you out. Although you could say some of his football constitutes gross misconduct.  :P

The issue for KT (compo aside) is that he's just enabled this guy to spend most of the clubs coffers on a new look squad, who may/may not be good enough to keep us in this league. I still can't buy this 'best squad in years' line, so potentially add 'poor recruitment' to his charges.
It's a mess and the next manager (when he comes in) will be in a no lose situation after inheriting a squad already in free fall.
If he does stick around and we nick a point/win, maybe a couple of injured players back, then it'll be interesting to see if we can turn some kind of corner. It's not looking likely but stranger things have happened in football.
Sad times to be a Cobbler, so soon after the joys of Wilder. That's why you really have to embrace those moments.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 28, 2017, 10:51:40 am
He's at training.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2017, 11:01:43 am
This...but Wigan postponed game now replaced by Donny home game...

If he doesn't go before Cambridge game we are lumbered and KT and the sunshine band will have made a humongous mistake.

Exactly this. If he doesn't get sacked this week, we are finishing bottom of League 1. The fact he is at training is devastating.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2017, 11:07:58 am
It's a bank holiday, maybe KT would rather spend it with his family. If nothing happens today then he'll be in charge for at least the Cambridge match, not that I will be going.

Why not 😡?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2017, 11:14:37 am
Exactly this. If he doesn't get sacked this week, we are finishing bottom of League 1. The fact he is at training is devastating.

Bet we are not relegated , unlike you to be so downbeat?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 28, 2017, 11:21:48 am
Bet we are not relegated , unlike you to be so downbeat?

On what basis do you think we won't be relegated? Genuinely want to know.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 28, 2017, 11:42:38 am
If JE remains we are fvcked!

Tactically inept, stubborn prick who shows utter contempt towards the fans...

THIS ISN'T GONNA SUDDENLY CHANGE!  ::)

I'm sick of watching the dross which has been a continually served up during his tenure

Negative, boring, unstructured attempt at the beautiful game...

Can honestly say, if we went down but had a right go EVERY game home and away, I could accept that.

But to go down watching s***e negative football is unacceptable.

GET HIM THE FVCK OUT OF OUR CLUB NOW!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 11:51:30 am
It's absolutely incredible that JED is still in a job - all 4 stands were chanting "you're getting sacked in the morning", fans were running down the stairs to remonstrate with him, there were huge empty gaps in the stands due to the mind numbing defensive style of football we're playing despite it being a local derby, 99.9% of fans knowing what the result was going to be once they read the team sheet, I could go on. The only crumb of comfort I took from Saturday was that it would mean that at least we'd bring someone with a degree of competence in but now it looks for some inexplicable reason that he's been given a reprieve. Quite why a fortnight of training without a game is deemed as likely to make any kind of difference at all when he's been in post since January and with his "new" squad for 3 to 4 months is beyond me.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2017, 11:57:25 am
On what basis do you think we won't be relegated? Genuinely want to know.

We have a decent squad plenty of time, perhaps couple of Feds brought in. On what basis do you think we will be relegated?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: ajp on August 28, 2017, 12:04:29 pm
It's clear he's been given tomorrow to try and get a result in a poxy competition that even if we do win will have zero relevance to our league form and starting line up.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 28, 2017, 12:09:17 pm
I can't state how incredibly important it is that he signs at least 1 WINGER this week before the deadline. If he doesn't it shows what kind of formation he is going to stick with until January. (or however long he lasts) If he does seem open to change I'll stick with him. If he doesn't, he's lost one of the last remaining people that doesn't think he should be sacked yet. (not that I'm a fan of him)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 12:13:31 pm
I'm starting to agree with those who are questioning whether we have actually put a quality squad together. One of the biggest disappointments has been crooks - arguably our "marquee" signing who looks an absolute shadow of the player that ripped us apart when at Accrington and in the cameo for scunnie. I accept that he probably isn't match fit but he doesn't look remotely interested at times. Of the centre backs Taylor and Pierre look ok and hopefully will settle down when/if we move to a 4, quite why Taylor was taken off on Saturday is beyond me and looks as random a decision as Pierre coming off at charlton - Barnett was awful in the second half and looks an accident waiting to happen. We've then got a handful of signings that were made pre-investment who already look on the periphery of the squad - kasim, bowditch, Powell and to a lesser extent waters who should be played in his actual position as a striker. I'm looking forward to foley getting back to fitness but as others have said he was due to be out for 6 weeks 6 weeks ago and we haven't had an update. Long looks very decent but for an inexplicable reason JED benched him on Saturday. It is telling that people are calling for another out and out striker, for a creative number 10, for a midfield enforcer, for out and out wingbacks, for an experienced goalkeeper - it doesn't sound like a quality balanced squad to me.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 28, 2017, 12:24:56 pm
I can't state how incredibly important it is that he signs at least 1 WINGER this week before the deadline. If he doesn't it shows what kind of formation he is going to stick with until January. (or however long he lasts) If he does seem open to change I'll stick with him. If he doesn't, he's lost one of the last remaining people that doesn't think he should be sacked yet. (not that I'm a fan of him)

HE WILL NOT SIGN A WINGER AS HE DOESNT PLAY WITH WINGERS - ASK ANY GILLS FAN

He has proved with Saturdays selection he will not change formation


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 28, 2017, 12:27:49 pm
We have a decent squad plenty of time, perhaps couple of Feds brought in. On what basis do you think we will be relegated?

We've played 4 lost 4 and have a minus 8 goal difference.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 28, 2017, 12:32:47 pm
HE WILL NOT SIGN A WINGER AS HE DOESNT PLAY WITH WINGERS - ASK ANY GILLS FAN

He has proved with Saturdays selection he will not change formation

But surely he can't be that stupid to play Richards & Revell up front and not play any wingers? Not even a fan would pick a formation to do that....

He says in every interview he is open to change...


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2017, 12:34:07 pm
Bet we are not relegated , unlike you to be so downbeat?

I was happy to give him the pre season and a few weeks to see if there was any sniff of a change in our fortunes. Having seen every game this season, there is zero chance of that happening under him. He is dreadful and we cannot risk him staying in charge any longer. The Wigan postponement was the ideal time to sack him and sort a replacement in.

He has insulted fans by telling us all week that he isn't stubborn and is willing to change, only to pick that 11 on Saturday in the biggest home game for us fans. If he doesn't go soon, we will 100% get relegated. There will be too much for a new man to do.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: BrixworthCobbler on August 28, 2017, 12:37:10 pm
He's going to be given until the Doncaster game I think, if he loses that he's gone.

KT isn't going to get rid of him if he loses a game tomorrow in a competition nobody cares about.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 12:39:19 pm
I was happy to give him the pre season and a few weeks to see if there was any sniff of a change in our fortunes. Having seen every game this season, there is zero chance of that happening under him. He is dreadful and we cannot risk him staying in charge any longer. The Wigan postponement was the ideal time to sack him and sort a replacement in.

He has insulted fans by telling us all week that he isn't stubborn and is willing to change, only to pick that 11 on Saturday in the biggest home game for us fans. If he doesn't go soon, we will 100% get relegated. There will be too much for a new man to do.

Agree 100% with this - it is completely inexplicable that KT as a "successful businessman " should think otherwise.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Vintage Cobbler on August 28, 2017, 12:40:42 pm
There is an attitude from JED that he knows best despite the appalling results. Hence despite loud criticism from supporters the unchanging formation and the selection of Rico & Revell up front when there is no width or pace for these veterans to feed off in the penalty box.  The problem is JED is no Brian Clough.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 28, 2017, 12:57:53 pm
The only reason I can think of as to why he hasn't been sacked is that KT has seen the two weeks without a league game is time to get things right .
I also don't think there is an obvious person to take it on if JED went except a senior player - but they are half the problem in the first place.
I think KT will stick with him short term .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest47 on August 28, 2017, 12:58:47 pm
Agree 100% with this - it is completely inexplicable that KT as a "successful businessman " should think otherwise.

KT is going to have to weigh up the cost of sacking JED and Kerslake, which is bound to cost a lot, against the hope that he will be able to turn things around. He's already had to compensate Page and to keep spending the playing budget on managers isn't going to do the club much good in the medium or long term.

JED's argument is going to be that he did the job he was asked to do last season by keeping the club in League one and you can't justify sacking a manager after four tough games at the start of the next season with a group of players that barely know each other.




Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 12:59:48 pm
Having the next three games at home may well be more of a curse than blessing for JED - tomorrow's match to a lesser extent as there will be hardly anyone there but the atmosphere for the Doncaster and Portsmouth games is likely to be toxic if nothing changes.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 28, 2017, 13:24:07 pm
KT is going to have to weigh up the cost of sacking JED and Kerslake, which is bound to cost a lot, against the hope that he will be able to turn things around. He's already had to compensate Page and to keep spending the playing budget on managers isn't going to do the club much good in the medium or long term.

JED's argument is going to be that he did the job he was asked to do last season by keeping the club in League one and you can't justify sacking a manager after four tough games at the start of the next season with a group of players that barely know each other.



That's a very forgiving way of looking at it .
I would say cost is a major reason he hasn't gone but I don't accept the other excuses .
Yes, he kept us up but only just and the decline towards the end was alarming .
The players have had enough time together to start getting results this season . It's the way they are being asked to play that's the issue .
My hunch - and it's just an opinion - is that KT doesn't rate JED and hasn't done for some time , but he has had to stick with him . It's just his body language towards him and some of the things he says at times .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 13:31:16 pm
I keep banging on about this but wouldn't the Chinese money be available to pay them off and source a quality replacement? I wouldn't have thought their investment will be worth much if we languish at the bottom of league one or get relegated to league two. To be honest I was quite surprised that the Chinese didn't push for their own higher profile choice of manager when they took over/"became partners " and maybe it was KT who talked up JED who was his choice after all as the man to take the project forward - it's not going to look good for KT if he ends up sacking him only a month into the new season.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 28, 2017, 13:40:12 pm
You also have to remember that a lot of the players came here because they bought into JED.
I maintain the issue is the coaching and tactical awareness . If he is going to stay , he needs better support in this area because he does seem totally clueless .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 13:44:55 pm
You also have to remember that a lot of the players came here because they bought into JED.
I maintain the issue is the coaching and tactical awareness . If he is going to stay , he needs better support in this area because he does seem totally clueless .


I respect your opinion and can see where you're coming from but I really don't think that any of the players came here due to their desire to work with the tactical genius that is JED, I think the extra £ that we offered would have had more to do with it.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 28, 2017, 14:12:33 pm
I respect your opinion and can see where you're coming from but I really don't think that any of the players came here due to their desire to work with the tactical genius that is JED, I think the extra £ that we offered would have had more to do with it.
Yes , of course that's the case , Along with the three year contracts .
However , the manager plays his part .
Don't get me wrong , I definitely want JED gone !


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on August 28, 2017, 14:24:15 pm
Yes , of course that's the case , Along with the three year contracts .
However , the manager plays his part .
Don't get me wrong , I definitely want JED gone !

How do you know how much of a role Jed plays in player recruitment and how much of it is done by Melville, Brady and whiteing?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Baby Bear on August 28, 2017, 14:32:13 pm
Do they not have a pre match presser for the jpt?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 28, 2017, 14:56:26 pm

 JED,  "you are getting the sack in the morning"


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2017, 15:11:55 pm
KT is going to have to weigh up the cost of sacking JED and Kerslake, which is bound to cost a lot, against the hope that he will be able to turn things around. He's already had to compensate Page and to keep spending the playing budget on managers isn't going to do the club much good in the medium or long term.

JED's argument is going to be that he did the job he was asked to do last season by keeping the club in League one and you can't justify sacking a manager after four tough games at the start of the next season with a group of players that barely know each other.


At last well thought out post pointing out the problems facing the club. Hope all the doubters read it!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 28, 2017, 15:20:36 pm
How do you know how much of a role Jed plays in player recruitment and how much of it is done by Melville, Brady and whiteing?

Brady - no. He's youth team coach and will have no input in first team affairs (at the moment).


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 28, 2017, 15:24:42 pm
JED,  "you are getting the sack in the morning"

Doesn't look like it. Probably got at least the next two home league games to turn it around or show he's close to turning it around.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2017, 15:37:29 pm
The club are going to suffer a lot more financially, the longer he is kept on because attendances are going to plummet. The gate against the Posh was 7,675 last year against 6,685 this time round. With tickets generally £22 a head, that's approximately £21k lost. That is going to add up very quickly....


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Manwork04 on August 28, 2017, 16:46:09 pm
The problem we have is the chairman is a bit of a c0ck and loves to be the centre of attention, he has effectively made a very tidy profit on buying NTFC and is only here on a retainer which means unfortunately for us he isn't very interested anymore.
It's like the perfect storm, average to crappy goalkeepers terrible clueless management along with completely demotivated players, religated for sure.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 28, 2017, 16:48:30 pm
Only one way we are going with the clown in charge. It's ridiculous that he's not been sacked.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: pattcobb on August 28, 2017, 16:57:48 pm
The problem we have is the chairman is a bit of a c0ck and loves to be the centre of attention, he has effectively made a very tidy profit on buying NTFC and is only here on a retainer which means unfortunately for us he isn't very interested anymore.
It's like the perfect storm, average to crappy goalkeepers terrible clueless management along with completely demotivated players, religated for sure.

Pathetic first paragraph.
Second one bang on the money.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: bungle on August 28, 2017, 17:48:49 pm
The problem we have is the chairman is a bit of a c0ck and loves to be the centre of attention, he has effectively made a very tidy profit on buying NTFC and is only here on a retainer which means unfortunately for us he isn't very interested anymore.
It's like the perfect storm, average to crappy goalkeepers terrible clueless management along with completely demotivated players, religated for sure.

Is that why we've spent more money this preseason than we probably have since the heady days of Martin Wilkinson? (Outbidding Scunny on Crooks, paying money for Waters, bringing in Pierre, Taylor, Foley etc all of whom had decent offers from other clubs.)  ::)

KT has backed JED to the hilt and successfully secured much-needed investment from elsewhere.

Unfortunately, I think he's giving JED more time due to a kind of 'sunken cost fallacy', whereby he thinks he's invested too much in him to pull the trigger at this stage in the season.

Having seemingly survived today it seems likely that JED will get at least until the Doncaster game. (I can't see KT sacking him after a meaningless game like Cambridge, even if we got hammered again.)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 28, 2017, 18:00:55 pm
The problem we have is the chairman is a bit of a c0ck and loves to be the centre of attention, he has effectively made a very tidy profit on buying NTFC and is only here on a retainer which means unfortunately for us he isn't very interested anymore.
It's like the perfect storm, average to crappy goalkeepers terrible clueless management along with completely demotivated players, religated for sure.
clearly there's a village missing an idiot somewhere .....
In what world do you see the chairman as a c*** ? He saved the club from extinction !


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: ntfc01 on August 28, 2017, 18:10:32 pm
Takes one to know one, describing the chairman as a c*ck is as moronic as consistently playing Rico and revs up front


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Manwork04 on August 28, 2017, 18:20:00 pm
clearly there's a village missing an idiot somewhere .....
In what world do you see the chairman as a c*** ? He saved the club from extinction !
He saw an investment opportunity to make money NOTHING ELSE, he's also got outside investment and lined his own pockets, BTW there were others who would have saved us with NTFC at heart and then would have looked for outside investment.
I don't think KT give a toss about us if he did he would have binned JED by now.
BTW it's a forum to discuss opinions and that's mine.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Rach on August 28, 2017, 18:38:21 pm
So I've heard from a player tonight that they're all just as miffed about formations. They want it changed. Players aren't happy, manager isn't respected and tomorrow is his last chance.

IMO, he doesn't deserve another chance. This is worrying.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 18:47:12 pm
I don't see how tomorrow's match is going to have any bearing at all on JED's future, nobody really gives a toss about the competition and we're playing an out of form Cambridge side who in all likelihood will rest a lot of their first teamers - I would expect us to comfortably beat them. In fact as we've not got a match for a couple of weeks I wouldn't be surprised if he puts a very strong side out to try and prove a point and may even stick with the 3 at the back/wing backs to try and justify the system. If it is true that there's disharmony behind the scenes - which I'm sure there is - 2 weeks on the training ground with a manager you don't respect us hardly going to improve morale.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Its_nice_to_michu on August 28, 2017, 18:51:12 pm
Its been very clear since after the first game of the season this formation wasn't going to fit the players that have been brought into the club.  

There is such and imbalance its frightening. I believe we do have the players to play a better fluid attacking system but as yet JED has failed to find.

He must be looking to get the sack because i cant see how he cant see this..  


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: super-si on August 28, 2017, 18:54:21 pm
JED won't get sacked in the short term. KT will tell him that he's got a few games to sort this out and get these guys working for each other and the good of the team. I saw too many slow reactions and players totaly unaware of the situation developing on Saturday. Football contracts should be drawn up so that if you regularly behave like a Pratt you are in breach of contract and could be sacked - with pay in lieu of notice until the next transfer window!

The question is, can JED rule the dressing room and get the players working together...for him, each other, the team and the club. It's time to learn about Management JED...cos if you don't you'll be gone during September. KT won't panic this early in the season. He ain't got money to throw around. HE needs to manage JED


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 19:01:58 pm
JED won't get sacked in the short term. KT will tell him that he's got a few games to sort this out and get these guys working for each other and the good of the team. I saw too many slow reactions and players totaly unaware of the situation developing on Saturday. Football contracts should be drawn up so that if you regularly behave like a Pratt you are in breach of contract and could be sacked - with pay in lieu of notice until the next transfer window!

The question is, can JED rule the dressing room and get the players working together...for him, each other, the team and the club. It's time to learn about Management JED...cos if you don't you'll be gone during September. KT won't panic this early in the season. He ain't got money to throw around. HE needs to manage JED

Based on his spell at gillingham and the unanimous negative feedback from their chairman and fans and the time that he has been here with the rumblings of disharmony behind the scenes is anyone confident that he is a manager/motivator capable of turning things around?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on August 28, 2017, 19:05:58 pm
Based on his spell at gillingham and the unanimous negative feedback from their chairman and fans and the time that he has been here with the rumblings of disharmony behind the scenes is anyone confident that he is a manager/motivator capable of turning things around?

He should be gone and gone now. KTs procrastination almost cost us relegation with page, he should have gone weeks before the Bristol rovers debacle played out. I'm praying KT doesn't leave too long again. There is only one way this is going to end, so the quicker the plug is pulled the better in my opinion


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest1269 on August 28, 2017, 19:08:12 pm
The problem is - an August sacking always seems knee jerk & frankly might deter a good few replacements but everything 99% of have seen is it's not going to get better and JED will go - probably after the Doncaster game when we sit rock bottom with no points - bad position but not too late for a mid table finish but please KT don't leave it any longer.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on August 28, 2017, 19:12:57 pm
JED won't get sacked in the short term. KT will tell him that he's got a few games to sort this out and get these guys working for each other and the good of the team. I saw too many slow reactions and players totaly unaware of the situation developing on Saturday. Football contracts should be drawn up so that if you regularly behave like a Pratt you are in breach of contract and could be sacked - with pay in lieu of notice until the next transfer window!

The question is, can JED rule the dressing room and get the players working together...for him, each other, the team and the club. It's time to learn about Management JED...cos if you don't you'll be gone during September. KT won't panic this early in the season. He ain't got money to throw around. HE needs to manage JED
Difficult to sort out if players don't want to play for him!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on August 28, 2017, 19:16:01 pm
The problem is - an August sacking always seems knee jerk & frankly might deter a good few replacements but everything 99% of have seen is it's not going to get better and JED will go - probably after the Doncaster game when we sit rock bottom with no points - bad position but not too late for a mid table finish but please KT don't leave it any longer.

How can no win in 13 be knee jerk??? What's his win rate 23%?????  That's not taking into account the crap negative football, failure to spot when something missing not working and total failure to change or adapt. If he were sacked today no one could complain least of all Jed.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 28, 2017, 19:25:18 pm
So I've heard from a player tonight that they're all just as miffed about formations. They want it changed. Players aren't happy, manager isn't respected and tomorrow is his last chance.

IMO, he doesn't deserve another chance. This is worrying.

Last chance for what tomorrow? lose (but play well), draw (but win on penalties) or scrape a narrow win? What is classed as acceptable to KT.

Also, who was the player in question? A first team regular or disgruntled squad member.     


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Insider on August 28, 2017, 19:55:59 pm
Where's Insider when you need him  :)

P1ssing myself laughing.  I told the Trust board a fortnight ago that Matt Taylor was on his way out.  As for JED... threeinabed knows it all, ask him.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 20:01:48 pm
The biggest problem with leaving it too long before the inevitable happens is that the new manager will then be stuck with JED's squad until January - I know people think we have a decent quality squad but I can't see any new boss being happy with either Cornell or coddington as first choice or in not having more (any?) options out wide should we want to play that way. I can see it being compounded before the deadline closes as I wouldn't be at all surprised to see JED being allowed to bring another right back in as Phillips is facing an op and who knows if he's given the green light to buy/tinker his way out of it.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 28, 2017, 20:02:18 pm
P1ssing myself laughing.  I told the Trust board a fortnight ago that Matt Taylor was on his way out.  As for JED... threeinabed knows it all, ask him.

Come on Insider, why can't we ask you? You obviously know something.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 20:05:03 pm
P1ssing myself laughing.  I told the Trust board a fortnight ago that Matt Taylor was on his way out.  As for JED... threeinabed knows it all, ask him.

Any idea what went on today at training - was it business as usual?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 28, 2017, 20:14:08 pm
He saw an investment opportunity to make money NOTHING ELSE, he's also got outside investment and lined his own pockets, BTW there were others who would have saved us with NTFC at heart and then would have looked for outside investment.
I don't think KT give a toss about us if he did he would have binned JED by now.
BTW it's a forum to discuss opinions and that's mine.
What's wrong with buying a club and making money out of it ,providing you run it properly ?
What did you expect - a benefactor that is a life long supporter who has so much money he just wants to throw it at the club ?
With respect , you are way off the mark


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2235 on August 28, 2017, 20:16:16 pm
Interesting stats fro Marvo's Twitter account

https://mobile.twitter.com/Marvo5Marvo/status/901820306393849856/photo/1


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on August 28, 2017, 20:21:00 pm
KT is going to have to weigh up the cost of sacking JED and Kerslake, which is bound to cost a lot, against the hope that he will be able to turn things around. He's already had to compensate Page and to keep spending the playing budget on managers isn't going to do the club much good in the medium or long term.

JED's argument is going to be that he did the job he was asked to do last season by keeping the club in League one and you can't justify sacking a manager after four tough games at the start of the next season with a group of players that barely know each other.



4 tough games maybe although I don't agree. There are a lot stronger teams still to play in this league than Shrewsbury, Fleetwood, Charlton and Peterborough. What is disappointing is the manner of the defeats and the lack of attacking play & shots on target. Spineless I'd say.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: corno_ntfc on August 28, 2017, 20:23:45 pm
4 tough games maybe although I don't agree. There are a lot stronger teams still to play in this league than Shrewsbury, Fleetwood, Charlton and Peterborough. What is disappointing is the manner of the defeats and the lack of attacking play & shots on target. Spineless I'd say.

Agreed, the manner of the defeats is what's alarming, rather than just the 4 consecutive league losses.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 28, 2017, 20:32:18 pm
So I've heard from a player tonight that they're all just as miffed about formations. They want it changed. Players aren't happy, manager isn't respected and tomorrow is his last chance.

IMO, he doesn't deserve another chance. This is worrying.
Surprise surprise , the players blame the system and the manager .
The criticism is rightly levelled at JED , but some of those players are getting away with poor performances Scott free.
The irony is that if JED had switched to a different system and not started with the two Rs up front - the players would have got the criticism more than the manager , had we lost in the same manner .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on August 28, 2017, 20:37:45 pm
Surprise surprise , the players blame the system and the manager .
The criticism is rightly levelled at JED , but some of those players are getting away with poor performances Scott free.
The irony is that if JED had switched to a different system and not started with the two Rs up front - the players would have got the criticism more than the manager , had we lost in the same manner .

But the point is JED has not charge formation or system, he continues to preserve with a system that does and never will work with the players we have, so the buck stops with him. The players are accountable too to some degree, but with no clear direction and its bloddy obvious to all and sundry that the system will never work, I would be tearing my hair out as a player.

Imagine turning up to work every day and being asked to write a letter only using excel as a system, when word is avalible to use, but your being told you cannot use it!

JED needs to go and he needs to go now!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 28, 2017, 20:53:51 pm
Done a great job at Newport, plays an exciting brand of football. Would be a positive appointment in my eyes.

What has happened to JED? Some of the comments about him on the first page of this thread are very interesting.

He seems to have lost his way in management.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 28, 2017, 20:55:26 pm
Like a s*** load of other managers, good couple of jobs then gradually lose it until they can no longer get a job anywhere.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on August 28, 2017, 21:00:46 pm
I think it's a good plan for him not to take charge,full stop.
Whose advice is KT taking for these appointments?
Barry fry.
I'm a season ticket holder and il buy one next season to help the club but I honestly can't see me taking in many matches with JE in charge.
I hate to say it but I'd rather have stuck with page.
Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Just look at all the successful signings he made for gillingham this season......
We are letting this man loose with cash.....
Who on Earth is KT trying to kid.




Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 28, 2017, 21:10:43 pm
Like a **** load of other managers, good couple of jobs then gradually lose it until they can no longer get a job anywhere.

Yes, but if his approach has worked before surely, it can work again. Maybe, he's a one team manager like so many are. Hill (Rochdale), Coleman (Accrington) and Johnson (Yeovil) to name three.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 21:20:53 pm
Yes, but if his approach has worked before surely, it can work again. Maybe, he's a one team manager like so many are. Hill (Rochdale), Coleman (Accrington) and Johnson (Yeovil) to name three.

Well that one team can have him back - the sad truth is that even Newport at the bottom end of league two wouldn't touch him with a barge pole and we've been lumbered with a dinosaur with delusions of grandeur who thinks he's a tactical genius. The only thing I can think is that KT is giving him enough rope and at some point he'll do a page and say/do something ridiculous that will let him save face, if he's waiting on the off chance that JED will do the honourable thing and resign then he's got another thing coming - just ask gillingham.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 28, 2017, 21:23:45 pm
I wonder if KT is making sure it's all legit before sacking him? Might be being extra cautious due to the JE/Gillingham situation?

Clutching at straws here.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 28, 2017, 21:25:04 pm
Yes, but if his approach has worked before surely, it can work again. Maybe, he's a one team manager like so many are. Hill (Rochdale), Coleman (Accrington) and Johnson (Yeovil) to name three.
His approach could be successful , but you need the players to fit the system .
With three at the back , the wing backs should play a major part and get a lot of the ball . Ours are completely ineffective .
He may have had players that were suited previously .
A
I also bet he had a better number two than kerslake


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on August 28, 2017, 21:29:40 pm
His approach could be successful , but you need the players to fit the system .
With three at the back , the wing backs should play a major part and get a lot of the ball . Ours are completely ineffective .
He may have had players that were suited previously .
A
I also bet he had a better number two than kerslake

Again the buck stops with Jed as he had the opportunity and funds to get players in to fit the system. He has failed to do this miserably. He two would have had a large say in who his number 2 would be. He hasn't got half a leg to stand on!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 28, 2017, 21:30:17 pm
His approach could be successful , but you need the players to fit the system .
With three at the back , the wing backs should play a major part and get a lot of the ball . Ours are completely ineffective .
He may have had players that were suited previously .
A
I also bet he had a better number two than kerslake

Kerslake was here previously, when Calderwood was manager. I thought he was well respected as a coach.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 28, 2017, 21:32:58 pm
Kerslake was here previously, when Calderwood was manager. I thought he was well respected as a coach.
Yep , it was dull , uninspiring football then as well


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 28, 2017, 21:35:09 pm
Yep , it was dull , uninspiring football then as well

I agree, it was mostly winning football though. Oh for a win now.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 21:43:21 pm
I agree, it was mostly winning football though. Oh for a win now.

Well there's every chance we'll get one tomorrow night in a Micky mouse competition that will just paper over the cracks and postpone the inevitable for another wasted fortnight. Another cracking statistic on Facebook this evening is that it is now 59 games since we came from behind to win a league match - a damning stat that illustrates the complete lack of backbone that we've had since wilder left.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 28, 2017, 21:44:55 pm
I wonder if KT is making sure it's all legit before sacking him? Might be being extra cautious due to the JE/Gillingham situation?

Clutching at straws here.

I know that you've corresponded with KT on Facebook previously and got responses - I don't suppose you've tried in the last few days?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 28, 2017, 22:07:43 pm
I know that you've corresponded with KT on Facebook previously and got responses - I don't suppose you've tried in the last few days?

Would not dare at the moment. He's probably got all sorts of people messaging him!

I know of a few people that have tried to speak to him but been met with silence. Probably not a bad thing as what can he say to anyone at the moment?

I spoke to him after Shrewsbury and he said the club aren't panicking as it's early days, wonder if they're panicking now!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 28, 2017, 22:18:05 pm
If he doesn't get the boot tomorrow, then we are lumbered with him for the foreseeable...

Tomorrows game is a non event so regardless he won't get sacked after that...

The blokes pure poison & KT really needs to think about the long term damage it will do to our club if he remains at the helm.

CANNOT BELIEVE THE TWATS STILL NOT BEEN SACKED!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: singcobb on August 28, 2017, 23:43:30 pm
I can't believe I am going to say this, but I hope we get thrashed tomorrow if it would lead to JED out.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 29, 2017, 05:32:20 am
I can't believe I am going to say this, but I hope we get thrashed tomorrow if it would lead to JED out.
AGREED SIR!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 29, 2017, 05:57:27 am
If we somehow manage to lose tonight with the depth of squad that we have available he should walk, but he won't and we won't - we will win comfortably but what that proves is anyone's guess.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on August 29, 2017, 06:14:16 am
AGREED SIR!

Like you say I never thought I'd say it but I agree. I'd take a tonking in the Mickey mouse cup if it got him out of our club


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest170 on August 29, 2017, 06:39:21 am
He'll be gone today, announcements are usually made on the Monday but this one has been delayed because of bank holiday. KT will have to make sure he does it all correctly so he doesn't end up in the same situation as Gillingham

Brady & Kerslake will be in charge tonight


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 29, 2017, 06:56:17 am
He'll be gone today, announcements are usually made on the Monday but this one has been delayed because of bank holiday. KT will have to make sure he does it all correctly so he doesn't end up in the same situation as Gillingham

Brady & Kerslake will be in charge tonight

I pray you're right but I assume this is just a hunch with no inside knowledge? The fact that people are saying he was taking training yesterday worries me.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: clarkeysntfc on August 29, 2017, 07:21:52 am
People saying we'll win tonight ... have you seen our record v Cambridge??  :o


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: just.reading on August 29, 2017, 07:46:11 am
He'll be gone today, announcements are usually made on the Monday but this one has been delayed because of bank holiday. KT will have to make sure he does it all correctly so he doesn't end up in the same situation as Gillingham

Brady & Kerslake will be in charge tonight

Doesn't look likely

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2017/august/cambridge_h_preview/


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Rach on August 29, 2017, 08:09:04 am
Last chance for what tomorrow? lose (but play well), draw (but win on penalties) or scrape a narrow win? What is classed as acceptable to KT.

Also, who was the player in question? A first team regular or disgruntled squad member.     

The player is a first team regular, I'm not naming names.

More importantly is the fact he's lost the dressing room already!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 29, 2017, 08:15:46 am
The player is a first team regular, I'm not naming names.

More importantly is the fact he's lost the dressing room already!

Fair enough, but you haven't answered the question about being his last chance tonight. What does KT think is acceptable tonight, just a win or a change in his stubborn ways?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Rach on August 29, 2017, 08:19:45 am
The players want a change in formation as the rest of us of us do.
All he said to me was tonight is his last chance to get it right, so I would assume a more of an inspired game, whether that be down to formation or personnel I don't know.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 29, 2017, 08:27:24 am
The players want a change in formation as the rest of us of us do.
All he said to me was tonight is his last chance to get it right, so I would assume a more of an inspired game, whether that be down to formation or personnel I don't know.

Thanks for that.

Just a small point, how does the player in question know it could be his last chance? Has KT said as much to him.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: MK_Cobbler on August 29, 2017, 08:33:13 am
The players want a change in formation as the rest of us of us do.
All he said to me was tonight is his last chance to get it right, so I would assume a more of an inspired game, whether that be down to formation or personnel I don't know.

So a first team regular, on the eve of a local derby, openly told a complete stranger the manager has one last chance to get it right. The team, including the 'first team regular' then went onto loose 4-1.

He also told the stranger that the dressing room as been lost and all players are completely confused about the formation.

Sounds a likely story to me  ::)

B U L L S H ! T


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Rach on August 29, 2017, 08:37:44 am
Who said I was a stranger to this player?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Rach on August 29, 2017, 08:39:42 am
Thanks for that.

Just a small point, how does the player in question know it could be his last chance? Has KT said as much to him.

I believe so yes


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 29, 2017, 09:08:40 am
He'll be gone today, announcements are usually made on the Monday but this one has been delayed because of bank holiday. KT will have to make sure he does it all correctly so he doesn't end up in the same situation as Gillingham

Brady & Kerslake will be in charge tonight
Absolute coddswallop of the first order


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: threeinabed on August 29, 2017, 09:12:31 am
whether he has upset some players or not, as professionals they should still go out and perform.

on saturday they didnt, not just for the manager but for the fans.

there was a lot of talk pre-game about players not happy with JED, i suppose they think if its out in the public domain then fans will turn quicker (if they haven't already).

no point in players sulking about a formation...................peterborough played the same formation and tore us to pieces................the change to 4-4-2 only made it worse.

as for any injured players coming back, why would they, they are better off (on a personal level) sitting on the sidelines whilst the rest of them are getting torn to bits by other teams and their own fans.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 29, 2017, 09:22:34 am
whether he has upset some players or not, as professionals they should still go out and perform.

on saturday they didnt, not just for the manager but for the fans.

there was a lot of talk pre-game about players not happy with JED, i suppose they think if its out in the public domain then fans will turn quicker (if they haven't already).

no point in players sulking about a formation...................peterborough played the same formation and tore us to pieces................the change to 4-4-2 only made it worse.

as for any injured players coming back, why would they, they are better off (on a personal level) sitting on the sidelines whilst the rest of them are getting torn to bits by other teams and their own fans.


This is an over-simplistic view of things though isn't it. For example, just because Buchanan is selected as a left wing back doesn't mean it is just a matter of him going out and tearing up and down the wing, beating players and whipping crosses in. I have no doubt he is giving it his best shot but he is being asked to do things out of his skill set.

Peterborough did play the same formation but they played it in a system and a group of players that was far more attacking than our version. They have centre backs who are comfortable taking the ball deep from the keeper. They have wing backs who attack first and try and defend (they're both natural wingers I believe), who beat a man, get into the opposition box. They had pace and movement up front, which meant they could get in behind us, pull our centre backs around and stretch the play.

I'm not a fan of 3-5-2 or whatever you want to call it but it can be successful. You just need the right types of players to play it, something we don't have.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: threeinabed on August 29, 2017, 09:58:39 am
They had pace and movement up front, which meant they could get in behind us, pull our centre backs around and stretch the play.


this is the fundamental issue with the set up we have had in our last 2 games.

i'm pretty sure that no clubs will have success playing the "old professionals who cant move but might win a header or 2 in a front 2" tactic.




Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on August 29, 2017, 10:19:12 am
Who said I was a stranger to this player?
Nice one, Rach! 15 love I'd say.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 29, 2017, 10:55:12 am
Thanks for that.

Just a small point, how does the player in question know it could be his last chance? Has KT said as much to him.

Just so I'm clear are we seriously saying that JED has been told that his job could depend on the result of a meaningless checkatrade match against a side on a poor run who are likely to rest half their squad? Like I've said before I can see JED putting a very strong side that in all likelihood will get a win but what does that prove?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 29, 2017, 11:08:05 am
So a first team regular, on the eve of a local derby, openly told a complete stranger the manager has one last chance to get it right. The team, including the 'first team regular' then went onto loose 4-1.

He also told the stranger that the dressing room as been lost and all players are completely confused about the formation.

Sounds a likely story to me  ::)

B U L L S H ! T

The acid test for Rach and any other(s) who believe him is ask if they are going tonight?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 29, 2017, 11:32:54 am
KT will already be sounding out managers now .
As I said before , there is no one that could take the side over right now , unless it was a player .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 29, 2017, 11:44:15 am
The acid test for Rach and any other(s) who believe him is ask if they are going tonight?

How so?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest170 on August 29, 2017, 11:53:17 am
KT will already be sounding out managers now .
As I said before , there is no one that could take the side over right now , unless it was a player .


Brady?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 29, 2017, 12:11:32 pm
Just so I'm clear are we seriously saying that JED has been told that his job could depend on the result of a meaningless checkatrade match against a side on a poor run who are likely to rest half their squad? Like I've said before I can see JED putting a very strong side that in all likelihood will get a win but what does that prove?

I don't know if JED has been told it, but Rach is suggesting one or more of the players have. I don't believe it to be honest, if that was the case the players could purposely lose and play badly just to get him the sack.



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 29, 2017, 12:14:24 pm
The acid test for Rach and any other(s) who believe him is ask if they are going tonight?

I'm going everbrite, are you?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Parklands Cobbler on August 29, 2017, 12:23:24 pm
After watching the second half 442 on Saturday I now understand why he sticks with 352 because we will concede less goals.
Barnett is abysmal, I thought Zander was slow but Mr Barnett was snail like and as a pairing with Pierre any balls below head height they looked totally lost.
Never thought i would say  this but i hope we are well beaten tonight as KT is only putting off the inevitable and tomorrow  will herald the start of yet another brand new dawn in our wonderful clubs history.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: threeinabed on August 29, 2017, 12:31:41 pm
After watching the second half 442 on Saturday I now understand why he sticks with 352 because we will concede less goals.
Barnett is abysmal, I thought Zander was slow but Mr Barnett was snail like and as a pairing with Pierre any balls below head height they looked totally lost.

yep - we were a lot more open with 4-4-2 - no holding midfielder, and too much space between our centre backs. i assume his plan is to remain solid, stay in the game, and look to nick a goal here and there.

however, we keep conceding and never really look like scoring.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 29, 2017, 12:34:24 pm
yep - we were a lot more open with 4-4-2 - no holding midfielder, and too much space between our centre backs. i assume his plan is to remain solid, stay in the game, and look to nick a goal here and there.

however, we keep conceding and never really look like scoring.


Any news on JED? Insider suggested yesterday that you may know some information.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: singcobb on August 29, 2017, 12:35:10 pm
I don't know if JED has been told it, but Rach is suggesting one or more of the players have. I don't believe it to be honest, if that was the case the players could purposely lose and play badly just to get him the sack.



Just remember Clough at Leeds


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 29, 2017, 12:47:21 pm

 I can't believe JED is still here!!!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: threeinabed on August 29, 2017, 12:51:30 pm
Any news on JED? Insider suggested yesterday that you may know some information.

plenty of information, not for here though, and certainly not for insider.

although i am sure he knows all of it anyway, and probably did a few weeks back.

he might tell us all when the trust take over the club and he becomes chairman.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 29, 2017, 13:01:40 pm
plenty of information, not for here though, and certainly not for insider.

although i am sure he knows all of it anyway, and probably did a few weeks back.

he might tell us all when the trust take over the club and he becomes chairman.


Is JED one game or five games from the sack, do you know that?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest170 on August 29, 2017, 13:04:38 pm
Is JED one game or five games from the sack, do you know that?
Depends how many he wins!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest1269 on August 29, 2017, 13:05:24 pm
Is JED one game or five games from the sack, do you know that?

Frankly if he is 5 (league) games from the sack we are relegated!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2539 on August 29, 2017, 13:06:30 pm
yep - we were a lot more open with 4-4-2 - no holding midfielder, and too much space between our centre backs. i assume his plan is to remain solid, stay in the game, and look to nick a goal here and there.

however, we keep conceding and never really look like scoring.

We can and should play 4-4-2 BUT only with two defensive midfielders shielding the back four, which he did not do in the second half. There was too big a gap between the midfield and defenders, which meant their midfielders were free to run with the ball at us!
Unfortunately Foley and O'Toole are injured who can fill this role so we need Poole and McWilliams(or Crooks) to be that base for Powell and Grimes to attack with Long and Waters up front.
It is only my opinion but it would give us the chance to create more chances without spaces at the back.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 29, 2017, 13:19:02 pm
We can and should play 4-4-2 BUT only with two defensive midfielders shielding the back four, which he did not do in the second half. There was too big a gap between the midfield and defenders, which meant their midfielders were free to run with the ball at us!
Unfortunately Foley and O'Toole are injured who can fill this role so we need Poole and McWilliams(or Crooks) to be that base for Powell and Grimes to attack with Long and Waters up front.
It is only my opinion but it would give us the chance to create more chances without spaces at the back.

This is pretty fair I would say, some good points raised although I'd personally like to see us play 4-3-3.

I'd also offer Moloney playing so high second half as mitigation for Barnetts poor performance, yes they got in behind him but it was often straight down the right back channel that their strikers pulled into, he can't be in two places at once.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: WasRambo on August 29, 2017, 13:52:37 pm
I'm no fan of JED or his tactics and philosophy but you can see why he sets up with 8 behind the ball when we seem so bloody toothless up front.

4231 all day for me with Long at the point. Grimes and Waters as two of the three and JJOT holding. Back four doing what they should be doing, defending. With the midfielders we've got we should be relying on part time wingbacks to create our chances....


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 29, 2017, 14:19:20 pm
I'm no fan of JED or his tactics and philosophy but you can see why he sets up with 8 behind the ball when we seem so bloody toothless up front.

4231 all day for me with Long at the point. Grimes and Waters as two of the three and JJOT holding. Back four doing what they should be doing, defending. With the midfielders we've got we should be relying on part time wingbacks to create our chances....

Waters scored 20+ goals last season but is yet to play as an out and out striker...

With complete lack of width we are never going to create much anyway...

The only tactic JE knows is HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFF to the big men.

Young Joe MUST start tonight as he more than anyone deserves his chance. Then again, what service will he actually get.

JE OUT NOW!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Monkey on August 29, 2017, 14:26:27 pm
Waters scored 20+ goals last season


Did he? I thought he scored 12


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3023 on August 29, 2017, 14:30:54 pm
I'm no fan of JED or his tactics and philosophy but you can see why he sets up with 8 behind the ball when we seem so bloody toothless up front.

4231 all day for me with Long at the point. Grimes and Waters as two of the three and JJOT holding. Back four doing what they should be doing, defending. With the midfielders we've got we should be relying on part time wingbacks to create our chances....

They are toothless up front at the minute because of the way they are set up. From my understanding Foley is more of a holding midfielder and I expect him yo be put in that role. O'Toole will make the XI when fit also. When these two return my team would be


            Coddington/Cornell

Maloney    Pierre   Taylor    Buchanan/
                                           Smith
                      Foley

        O'Toole  Grimes   Crooks

                     Waters

                      Long


Bench from:

Poole; Barnett; Smith; Richards; Lobjoit; Hoskins (when fit); Philips (when fit); Kasim; Powell; Bowditch

Loan McWilliams out to get experience.

Some might say this team lacks width but as there isn't really any natural width in the squad it's better to go with a selection-formation that best fits the players available.

The squad just needs a decent manager/coach to get the best out of them.

New manager needs to look for wing-backs in the January window also, Maloney and Buchs haven't got the athleticism and speed of many of the other teams players for me.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 29, 2017, 14:39:17 pm
They are toothless up front at the minute because of the way they are set up.

From my understanding Foley is more of a holding midfielder and I expect him yo be put in that role.

Some might say this team lacks width but as there isn't really any natural width in the squad

New manager needs to look for wing-backs in the January window also,

Sorry to selectively quote your post but it is quite long!

I always thought Foley was more of a box-to-box midfielder, I think he's also played a bit a wide midfielder, although that's probably because he's left footed!

Also, there seems to be some muddled thinking, you've picked a very narrow team because you say that we have no natural width, then you think the new manager should get some new wing backs. Given that our full backs are very, very good full backs, wouldn't it be better for the hypothetical new manager to recruit some wide players instead?

Personally I think that the likes of Powell, Waters, Hoskins, Bowditch and maybe Lobjoit should be able to play as 'wide forwards' in a 4-3-3 until January at least.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Rushdencobbler on August 29, 2017, 14:55:03 pm
After watching the second half 442 on Saturday I now understand why he sticks with 352 because we will concede less goals.
Barnett is abysmal, I thought Zander was slow but Mr Barnett was snail like and as a pairing with Pierre any balls below head height they looked totally lost.

I thought Barnett was our worst defender, should have left Taylor with Pierre, even though I thought Taylor was poor. we need a 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 line up, but you can see JED saying I gave them 4-4-2 and we still conceded 2 back to 3 at the back tonight I reckon as JED is far too arrogant and is too far gone to be able to turn this one around.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3023 on August 29, 2017, 16:48:16 pm
Sorry to selectively quote your post but it is quite long!

I always thought Foley was more of a box-to-box midfielder, I think he's also played a bit a wide midfielder, although that's probably because he's left footed!

Also, there seems to be some muddled thinking, you've picked a very narrow team because you say that we have no natural width, then you think the new manager should get some new wing backs. Given that our full backs are very, very good full backs, wouldn't it be better for the hypothetical new manager to recruit some wide players instead?

Personally I think that the likes of Powell, Waters, Hoskins, Bowditch and maybe Lobjoit should be able to play as 'wide forwards' in a 4-3-3 until January at least.


I think that the squad lacks natural pacey 'wide-men' and that a formation and tactics should be used to fit the best players available. Long, Waters, Grimes, O'Toole and Crooks should all be starting IMO. I think Foley will prove to be a starter as well, at least based on his pedigree, and for me he appears to be the best available player on paper to play the holding midfield position.

Playing a midfielder in front of the back three would I think be preferable to playing a third centre back. Foley would also be able to get forward as well and support the attackers, but he would not get ahead of the ball too much so he can track back quicker if possession is lost.

Buchs and Maloney should not be wing-backs and for me shouldn't be getting too far forward at all most of the time, as they can't track back quick enough if possession is lost.

IMO bringing in younger, more athletic full backs would compliment the team I picked better than bringing in two wingers. Regardless, I would rather have Waters/Grimes/O'Toole/Crooks in the team than Hoskins/Powell/Bowditch, though I think these can all still play an important part this season, as I hope Lobjoit can as well!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 29, 2017, 17:02:18 pm
Teams hate pace, at any level.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Manwork04 on August 29, 2017, 17:44:52 pm
Teams hate pace, at any level.
Agreed.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 29, 2017, 17:46:25 pm
Who has the clown picked tonight ?
If he has picked a B team it is likely to be better balanced than the team from Saturday


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 29, 2017, 17:48:36 pm
He's gone 442.

Looks like...

                          Coddington

       Moloney     Barnett     Taylor   Buchanan

       Waters      McWilliams  Grimes   Powell

                           Long    Revell


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 29, 2017, 17:50:49 pm
He's gone 442.

Looks like...

                          Coddington

       Moloney     Barnett     Taylor   Buchanan

       Waters      McWilliams  Grimes   Powell

                           Long    Revell

Perfect opportunity to finally play young Joe but alas Revs starts.....HOOOOOOOOOOOF!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Manwork04 on August 29, 2017, 17:51:03 pm
This is probably the best team he can put out, if we loose tonight he really has lost the dressing room.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 29, 2017, 17:52:29 pm
He's gone 442.

Looks like...

                          Coddington

       Moloney     Barnett     Taylor   Buchanan

       Waters      McWilliams  Grimes   Powell

                           Long    Revell
Unless he has gone 433
I think that team won't lose


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 29, 2017, 17:52:56 pm
That team indicates it's being picked by a man desperate for a result.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 29, 2017, 17:57:36 pm
That team indicates it's being picked by a man desperate for a result.

In a completely meaningless game...

As predicted, we'll win this and he'll say the season starts now blah blah blah

ITS ALL FVCKING BOLLOCKS!

It will just give him more borrowed time until Donny & Pompey tear us a new one then he'll finally be sacked...

IT WILL BE TOO FVCKING LATE BY THEN!

JE should already be nowhere near our club ffs!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 29, 2017, 17:58:50 pm
In a completely meaningless game...

As predicted, we'll win this and he'll say the season starts now blah blah blah

ITS ALL FVCKING BOLLOCKS!

It will just give him more borrowed time until Donny & Pompey tear us a new one then he'll finally be sacked...

IT WILL BE TOO FVCKING LATE BY THEN!

JE should already be nowhere near our club ffs!

Totally agree.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: threeinabed on August 29, 2017, 18:06:04 pm
Same garbage that finished on Saturday then apart from Pierre.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 29, 2017, 18:07:45 pm
Just shows a lack of thought that he might possibly need a plan B. He has one winger in the squad, finally feels the pressure too play 4 at the back and has to play a striker on the right of midfield.

What a complete and utter numpty.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on August 29, 2017, 18:22:02 pm
Did he? I thought he scored 12
He scored 12 in the league last season, 2 in the FA Cup and 2 in the EFL Trophy. A total of 16 goals.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 29, 2017, 18:27:10 pm
Ironic isn't it that we're playing an almost first choice eleven when everyone else in this Mickey Mouse competition is resting key players and giving youth a chance - at least it shows what pressure he must be under. This competition should be about lobjoit, iacinofano and George smith - when exactly are any of them going to get a chance if not in this? As others have said elsewhere we will win, JED will claim credit for his tactical nouse and flexibility and we're lumbered for another few weeks.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 29, 2017, 18:33:10 pm
Just shows a lack of thought that he might possibly need a plan B. He has one winger in the squad, finally feels the pressure too play 4 at the back and has to play a striker on the right of midfield.

What a complete and utter numpty.
Absolutely right .
He chooses to play 3 at the back. Fine . But hasn't any wing backs - except Smith who doesn't make the squad.
When we go to 4 at the back , he has no wide players except Powell.
And yet we have a whole host of central midfielders that sit in the stands .
What a prat .
It's obvious to everyone in the whole ground from man to boy !!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Razor on August 29, 2017, 18:35:11 pm
In a completely meaningless game...

As predicted, we'll win this and he'll say the season starts now blah blah blah

ITS ALL FVCKING BOLLOCKS!

It will just give him more borrowed time until Donny & Pompey tear us a new one then he'll finally be sacked...

IT WILL BE TOO FVCKING LATE BY THEN!

JE should already be nowhere near our club ffs!

So infuriatingly predictable. How the F*CK hasn't he been sacked yet?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Razor on August 29, 2017, 18:37:47 pm
Just shows a lack of thought that he might possibly need a plan B. He has one winger in the squad, finally feels the pressure too play 4 at the back and has to play a striker on the right of midfield.

What a complete and utter numpty.

And yet everyone keeps saying we have a strong squad on paper ::)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: super-si on August 29, 2017, 18:47:27 pm
You lot really get me 🙄. He obviously makes a formation change - leaves out Crooks who needs a rocket up his jacksey - splits Rico and Revs - and he's an arshole! Everyone wondered what our starting line up would be this season - me included! JED has assembled a talented squad that he needs to make work! I hope he can do it. Until then, stop being a bunch of knee jerks and get behind them!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 29, 2017, 18:56:51 pm
And yet everyone keeps saying we have a strong squad on paper ::)

We do, he just hasn't finished it off yet  ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Razor on August 29, 2017, 19:05:27 pm
Kelvin Thomas has returned to the USA. Spineless. >:(


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: ntfc01 on August 29, 2017, 19:16:17 pm
Kelvin Thomas has returned to the USA. Spineless. >:(

Why is he spineless, for going back to the US. It's obvious he isn't going to sack him yet, if it was going to be done then it would have been done by now. We don't have a game worh talking about for two weeks so until the next one we are stuck with JED whether you agree with it or not


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 29, 2017, 19:55:29 pm
I think that the squad lacks natural pacey 'wide-men' and that a formation and tactics should be used to fit the best players available. Long, Waters, Grimes, O'Toole and Crooks should all be starting IMO. I think Foley will prove to be a starter as well, at least based on his pedigree, and for me he appears to be the best available player on paper to play the holding midfield position.

Playing a midfielder in front of the back three would I think be preferable to playing a third centre back. Foley would also be able to get forward as well and support the attackers, but he would not get ahead of the ball too much so he can track back quicker if possession is lost.

Buchs and Maloney should not be wing-backs and for me shouldn't be getting too far forward at all most of the time, as they can't track back quick enough if possession is lost.

IMO bringing in younger, more athletic full backs would compliment the team I picked better than bringing in two wingers. Regardless, I would rather have Waters/Grimes/O'Toole/Crooks in the team than Hoskins/Powell/Bowditch, though I think these can all still play an important part this season, as I hope Lobjoit can as well!

A good response, don't necessarily agree with everything but I can see why you've got to the point you have. I think our full backs are more than good enough if we play them the right way. A 4-3-3 for me all day long. Crooks, JJOT, Grimes in CM, Long up front with Waters and 1 other as the Wide Forwards. Let the likes of Powell, Bowditch, Hoskins, Lobjoit battle it out for that place. I think Bowditch could do well there, he'd have a bit more space than when he was in the No.10 role and the team wouldn't be built around him there either, which may help.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest1269 on August 29, 2017, 20:06:49 pm
Kelvin Thomas has returned to the USA. Spineless. >:(

Ridiculous comment - there may be 101 reasons why he is going back to the US - family or other business interests.
It's so easy for keyboard warriors to throw insults based on their own myopic view of the situation.

For the record I think he should sack JED sooner rather than later but the country KT happens to be in when we have 2 weeks with no meaningful games is hardly grounds for personal insults


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on August 29, 2017, 20:09:44 pm
Added to the fact he can sack him from wherever!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Razor on August 29, 2017, 20:14:38 pm
He's spineless for not sacking him immediately after the Peterborough game. The fact he's returned to the USA would signal he's not about to sack him any time soon, hence my reaction to hearing the news.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest1269 on August 29, 2017, 20:22:51 pm
He's spineless for not sacking him immediately after the Peterborough game. The fact he's returned to the USA would signal he's not about to sack him any time soon, hence my reaction to hearing the news.

Again a imho a myopic view - so you know conversations between them, you know pay off details after so many games, you know the plan B when he has gone?

It's so easy to be a football club chairman from one's keyboard.

The message board is about opinions and great that they differ but for me posters lose credibility when they resort to personal insults


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Razor on August 29, 2017, 20:27:38 pm
The f*ck you on about ???


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest1269 on August 29, 2017, 20:33:02 pm
The f*ck you on about ???

Sorry it's so complicated but to simplify I simply think calling KT spineless for going to America is a ridiculous comment.

Here ended a pointless exchange on my part......


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Razor on August 29, 2017, 20:37:25 pm
OK I'll try again.

He's spineless for not sacking him.

The fact he's gone back to America suggests to me he isn't about to either.

I am disappointed by this situation.

Goodnight.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 29, 2017, 20:54:51 pm
Surely he has to go after that performance ?
He put s side out to win against a cambridge reserves and we were outplayed .
Added to that , the lack of early subs and the anoniminity on the bench .
I mean , where does it go from here ?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest1269 on August 29, 2017, 20:57:18 pm
Unfortunately I think it will be after the Doncaster defeat now.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 29, 2017, 20:57:56 pm
Some rumours flying around on Twitter.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 29, 2017, 21:01:37 pm
Some rumours flying around on Twitter.

Care to elaborate?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 29, 2017, 21:04:21 pm
Care to elaborate?

Some people suggesting change is happening tomorrow.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: mr3teas on August 29, 2017, 21:04:49 pm
Didn't Gary Johnson just hide in dugout before he was sacked


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 29, 2017, 21:07:14 pm
Has there been a post match interview ?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 29, 2017, 21:29:18 pm
Some people suggesting change is happening tomorrow.

Is that true or is it another one of your attempts at using reverse psychology/false news to try and flush him out?!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 29, 2017, 21:32:54 pm
Has there been a post match interview ?

Apparently when asked why he stayed in the dugout for the majority of the match the patronising prick actually had the nerve to say that he did it to make it about the players and not him!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 29, 2017, 21:34:47 pm
Is that true or is it another one of your attempts at using reverse psychology/false news to try and flush him out?!

I've no idea if it's true. Just relaying what I've read on Twitter tonight.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 29, 2017, 21:36:05 pm
Kelvin Thomas has returned to the USA. Spineless. >:(

Are you ok?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: cobblergaz59 on August 29, 2017, 21:37:50 pm
Post match interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynsk-6Ox4sE&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Welly Cobb on August 29, 2017, 21:39:51 pm
I've got told that this match was basically a gimme - Justin is down to one game to pull himself out of the fire but this is specifically league games so tonight wouldn't have changed anything. Rumour of course, so might not be based in any fact.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 29, 2017, 21:44:57 pm
That interview OMFG.

From 3 mins in as soon as Tim O basically took the piss out of him.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 29, 2017, 21:50:08 pm
He looks f***ing knackered.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: NTFC Nut on August 29, 2017, 21:50:32 pm
Post match interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynsk-6Ox4sE&feature=youtu.be

"We dug deep and saw the game through"..."there's a huge amount of belief that we can take from this"... ;D Is this guy for real?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 29, 2017, 21:54:05 pm
He looks a man under severe pressure .
He was going through the motions there .
I feel a bit sorry for him but I suppose that's the nature of the job .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on August 29, 2017, 21:58:01 pm
He looks a man under severe pressure .
He was going through the motions there .
I feel a bit sorry for him but I suppose that's the nature of the job .

How anyone can feel sorry for him is beyond me, this situation is all self inflcted and he still has the Gaul to say I will more than likely go back to my preferred formation!!!!

Piss off!!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Saint Cobbler on August 29, 2017, 22:03:19 pm
Post match interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynsk-6Ox4sE&feature=youtu.be
What a smart looking fella. Which park bench had he just crawled off?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: andycobbler on August 29, 2017, 22:30:02 pm
How anyone can feel sorry for him is beyond me, this situation is all self inflcted and he still has the Gaul to say I will more than likely go back to my preferred formation!!!!

**** off!!!

Can't be ars4d to listen to his tripe, but go back to his preferred formation. He must be into S&M. I agree with your final sentiment.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Manwork04 on August 30, 2017, 07:37:25 am
I actually thought he spoke well in the circumstances, there's not a hope in hell we'll beat Donny, and he'll be gone.
What I can't understand is why Thomas is persisting with him  ???


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Westander on August 30, 2017, 07:52:44 am
He shouldn't even be allowed to play FIFA 18 on the Xbox, he simply doesn't have a clue, can't even beat Cambridge reserves with a full strength team.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 30, 2017, 07:55:30 am
Listening to the post match interview and looking at the body language in the game , it suggests to me that he knows he has gone .
It looks like he has given it up to me .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 30, 2017, 08:39:45 am
With KT being in the USA, will he delegate the sacking to his father?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 30, 2017, 08:43:49 am
With KT being in the USA, will he delegate the sacking to his father?
Ha , no but I would suggest he has already had words and that's why JED isn't full of fight .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: cobbler150 on August 30, 2017, 08:46:15 am
Am i the only one thinking he saying what he thought he  be say if we won, but said it anyway. Hes talking like we won in normal time.

He put out a full team to try and get something to build on but it didnt work. Dead man walking



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: cobbler150 on August 30, 2017, 08:49:45 am
Am i the only one thinking he saying what he thought he  be say if we won, but said it anyway. Hes talking like we won in normal time.

He put out a full team to try and get something to build on but it didnt work. Dead man walking



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on August 30, 2017, 08:50:52 am
Agree that he spoke well in the interview, but giving good interviews is not his job and he clearly intends to persist with tactics that don't use our players strengths, which will mean more poor results and ever increasing demotivation and lack of confidence. I don't remember a more clear-cut case in more than 40 years following the Cobblers of a manager who should be sacked.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 30, 2017, 09:27:07 am
Apparently when asked why he stayed in the dugout for the majority of the match the patronising prick actually had the nerve to say that he did it to make it about the players and not him!

Man04 thought he spoke well ; unlike you to be so out of sync with his comments.




Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Patmore on August 30, 2017, 09:43:23 am
It was a badly garbled response but I actually thought what he was saying was that he would go back to / stick with 442 in the short term at least.

However, he basically said the reason is because the players don't understand the 3 at the back system so he needed to simplify it for them. I bet that had gone down really well in the dressing room.

I have heard that the players don't understand it. They feel he hasn't explained it at all and they don't actually work on pattern of play either.

Not a single person on here to speak up for JED? Can you ever remember a situation like this, with any manager? He's lost the players (he more or less admitted that himself) he's lost just about every fan, there is no way back from there. Delaying is just prolonging the absolute inevitable and allowing the window to close too. Completely idiotic and indecisive to have not shipped him out. Listening to that, I honestly think even he can't believe he is still in a job.



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 30, 2017, 10:10:06 am
Are you ok?
                I wonder if he in in the States to sus out Ashley Westwood as a manager?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest170 on August 30, 2017, 10:30:25 am
I cant remember a time when the majority of fans agreed so quickly. I know some have questioned his appointment since day 1 and some have wanted him to go before the season etc but usually with a manger the number of disgruntled fans increases over time. With JED it seems to have jumped from a few to most in a very short period of time.

From reading on here and talking to others, it seems very few (I've found none) are waiting for / expecting / hoping for him to turn it around, it seems people are just waiting for the next game so we can get it done. Feels a very strange situation to be in


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 30, 2017, 10:38:15 am
What turned me against him after supporting him throughout was the ridiculous team selection on Saturday .
If he had selected any combination except Rico and Revell or played Smith as a wing back / Buchanan in a flat 4 , I would have stuck with him .
He put a noose around his own neck in that game .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: lordjord on August 30, 2017, 10:52:20 am
What turned me against him after supporting him throughout was the ridiculous team selection on Saturday .
If he had selected any combination except Rico and Revell or played Smith as a wing back / Buchanan in a flat 4 , I would have stuck with him .
He put a noose around his own neck in that game .

100% agree with that!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on August 30, 2017, 11:00:37 am
What turned me against him after supporting him throughout was the ridiculous team selection on Saturday .
If he had selected any combination except Rico and Revell or played Smith as a wing back / Buchanan in a flat 4 , I would have stuck with him .
He put a noose around his own neck in that game .
 

Had grave doubts after Salop.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 30, 2017, 11:29:07 am
The morning has passed then with no news.

Looks like we are stuck with the clown.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 30, 2017, 11:33:21 am
He has lost the support because of his insistence on continuing to do the same thing expecting a different result.  
As has been said, we can all see it why can't he?
I wasn't there Saturday but as soon as I saw that he had replaced Cornell for no good reason and dropped Waters to retain both R&R up top I knew that it wasn't going to end well.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Razor on August 30, 2017, 11:46:41 am
How the f*ck is he still here?

Honestly. What are we playing at?!?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on August 30, 2017, 11:52:51 am
How anyone can feel sorry for him is beyond me, this situation is all self inflcted and he still has the Gaul to say I will more than likely go back to my preferred formation!!!!

**** off!!!

Did he say this? I took it to mean that, although (up until now) he has been stubborn we'll probably have to go back to 4-4-2.

Listen, and I'm sure I'll get pelters for this, because things are currently beyond woeful, but I would still prefer a situation where J. Edinburgh manages to turn this situation around.
Please, hear me out before you start throwing. Yes, I think the keeper situation could prove a major f***-up, as will the lack of wide players. And yes, these things (and many more) are down to the manager. But (and it's a big but), if he can recognize his mistakes and grow from them, then we could still do ok this season.

I'll be honest, I'm surprising myself by writing this, because I was spitting blood on Saturday - and last night didn't sound too good on the radio, either - but, hopefully, the Cambridge game can be the start of improvement. Because, and let's be honest here, if the club replace JE it will cost a heap of time and money.

He admitted himself to being stubborn, so, if he hasn't already done so, I'd suggest he needs to do what Atkins did early doors; sit the players down and have an open free-for-all, let them say what they want with no repercussions. He is still the boss, and any final decisions will be his to stand or fall by, but if he can't get the squad behind him he is done anyway - so he needs to be man enough to take their concerns on board. He needs to address any and all issues concerning his workforce, and this may well include fitness levels and coaching (both of which appear to be lacking).

I can barely remember such total and instant animosity towards one of our managers. I don't know, maybe I'm talking bollox (according to Evers I usually do  ;D), or maybe it's time to drop the vitriol and get behind the guy, at least for the next few weeks. Justin Edinburgh will stand or fall by the decisions he makes in that time, but let's not keep willing him to fail, eh?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 30, 2017, 12:00:37 pm
I think that we all (less Shoey) want him to succeed, however his inability to adjust the obvious is bringing the supporters together in one voice, which is something that even the Cardoza/Redev shambles couldn't...
If he turns it round, great, if he doesn't he will be pulling even more compensation from another sacking...


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: just.reading on August 30, 2017, 12:06:14 pm
                I wonder if he in in the States to sus out Ashley Westwood as a manager?

The United States of India?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on August 30, 2017, 12:11:43 pm
I think that we all (less Shoey) want him to succeed, however his inability to adjust the obvious is bringing the supporters together in one voice, which is something that even the Cardoza/Redev shambles couldn't...
If he turns it round, great, if he doesn't he will be pulling even more compensation from another sacking...

I'm not sure this is true though, is it? Even prior to the Boro game people were hoping we'd get tanked so he could be shown the door, so there are certainly some not wanting him to succeed. As for the rest of it. You are right.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: ntfc01 on August 30, 2017, 12:23:38 pm
What turned me against him after supporting him throughout was the ridiculous team selection on Saturday .
If he had selected any combination except Rico and Revell or played Smith as a wing back / Buchanan in a flat 4 , I would have stuck with him .
He put a noose around his own neck in that game .

I think that was the final nail in the coffin for most people tbh


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 30, 2017, 12:27:59 pm
How the f*ck is he still here?

Honestly. What are we playing at?!?


 100% AGREED. We seem to be shooting ourselves in the foot


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 30, 2017, 12:31:55 pm
Watching that interview I don't know if he's lost the dressing room or not, but he's certainly lost his razor.



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest1269 on August 30, 2017, 12:38:07 pm
                I wonder if he in in the States to sus out Ashley Westwood as a manager?

Well, with my very limited knowledge of that gentleman I would definitely hope not.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest1269 on August 30, 2017, 12:46:25 pm
Did he say this? I took it to mean that, although (up until now) he has been stubborn we'll probably have to go back to 4-4-2.

Listen, and I'm sure I'll get pelters for this, because things are currently beyond woeful, but I would still prefer a situation where J. Edinburgh manages to turn this situation around.
Please, hear me out before you start throwing. Yes, I think the keeper situation could prove a major ****-up, as will the lack of wide players. And yes, these things (and many more) are down to the manager. But (and it's a big but), if he can recognize his mistakes and grow from them, then we could still do ok this season.

I'll be honest, I'm surprising myself by writing this, because I was spitting blood on Saturday - and last night didn't sound too good on the radio, either - but, hopefully, the Cambridge game can be the start of improvement. Because, and let's be honest here, if the club replace JE it will cost a heap of time and money.

He admitted himself to being stubborn, so, if he hasn't already done so, I'd suggest he needs to do what Atkins did early doors; sit the players down and have an open free-for-all, let them say what they want with no repercussions. He is still the boss, and any final decisions will be his to stand or fall by, but if he can't get the squad behind him he is done anyway - so he needs to be man enough to take their concerns on board. He needs to address any and all issues concerning his workforce, and this may well include fitness levels and coaching (both of which appear to be lacking).

I can barely remember such total and instant animosity towards one of our managers. I don't know, maybe I'm talking bollox (according to Evers I usually do  ;D), or maybe it's time to drop the vitriol and get behind the guy, at least for the next few weeks. Justin Edinburgh will stand or fall by the decisions he makes in that time, but let's not keep willing him to fail, eh?

Extremely reasonable post Jolly & normally I would take that stance but I truly see nothing to suggest JED is actually capable of making the changes we need - if that is the case (and I hope I'm wrong) but shortly this will become a timing issue - so far adrift with only an average squad (despite what has been said) we will essentially be relegated by Christmas.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 30, 2017, 12:48:39 pm
Did he say this? I took it to mean that, although (up until now) he has been stubborn we'll probably have to go back to 4-4-2.

Listen, and I'm sure I'll get pelters for this, because things are currently beyond woeful, but I would still prefer a situation where J. Edinburgh manages to turn this situation around.
Please, hear me out before you start throwing. Yes, I think the keeper situation could prove a major ****-up, as will the lack of wide players. And yes, these things (and many more) are down to the manager. But (and it's a big but), if he can recognize his mistakes and grow from them, then we could still do ok this season.

I'll be honest, I'm surprising myself by writing this, because I was spitting blood on Saturday - and last night didn't sound too good on the radio, either - but, hopefully, the Cambridge game can be the start of improvement. Because, and let's be honest here, if the club replace JE it will cost a heap of time and money.

He admitted himself to being stubborn, so, if he hasn't already done so, I'd suggest he needs to do what Atkins did early doors; sit the players down and have an open free-for-all, let them say what they want with no repercussions. He is still the boss, and any final decisions will be his to stand or fall by, but if he can't get the squad behind him he is done anyway - so he needs to be man enough to take their concerns on board. He needs to address any and all issues concerning his workforce, and this may well include fitness levels and coaching (both of which appear to be lacking).

I can barely remember such total and instant animosity towards one of our managers. I don't know, maybe I'm talking bollox (according to Evers I usually do  ;D), or maybe it's time to drop the vitriol and get behind the guy, at least for the next few weeks. Justin Edinburgh will stand or fall by the decisions he makes in that time, but let's not keep willing him to fail, eh?
I thought the same before Saturday but that team selection defied belief after all that was said and done beforehand .
I'm not sure he recovers from that with either the crowd or the players .
I can't see how he turns it around from here


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Westander on August 30, 2017, 12:50:59 pm
I cant remember a time when the majority of fans agreed so quickly. I know some have questioned his appointment since day 1 and some have wanted him to go before the season etc but usually with a manger the number of disgruntled fans increases over time. With JED it seems to have jumped from a few to most in a very short period of time.

From reading on here and talking to others, it seems very few (I've found none) are waiting for / expecting / hoping for him to turn it around, it seems people are just waiting for the next game so we can get it done. Feels a very strange situation to be in

Problem with that is its 10 days before the next game then we play Sat/Tue/Sat/Tue/Sat by which time we could be up **** creek without a paddle (or a point) the current time is perfect to be shot of him


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 30, 2017, 13:01:18 pm
I'm not sure this is true though, is it? Even prior to the Boro game people were hoping we'd get tanked so he could be shown the door, so there are certainly some not wanting him to succeed. As for the rest of it. You are right.

Probably not, but to me and I would assume most of us, it doesn't matter who we have in charge if he is successful.
Granted that with how he is managing at the moment, that would be a big IF.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on August 30, 2017, 13:56:53 pm
I thought the same before Saturday but that team selection defied belief after all that was said and done beforehand .
I'm not sure he recovers from that with either the crowd or the players .
I can't see how he turns it around from here

Yeah I nearly choked on my beer Saturday when news filtered through we were going R&R. Bizarre really.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 30, 2017, 14:02:00 pm
I know it's twitter/Facebook but I've read somewhere that it would cost about £500,000 to get rid of JED and kerslake - I guess this is a reason why KT hasn't pulled the plug, although I would qualify this by seriously questioning why they were given such lucrative contracts when they were effectively free agents in the first place. Also someone has come up with the stat that we have now gone 6 months without a win - I know this takes in the summer but it is still a damning statistic.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 30, 2017, 14:07:28 pm
My personal opinion is that KT will sack him before the Doncaster game.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2017, 14:23:05 pm
I share that opinion. Though might be down to blind optimism.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 30, 2017, 14:32:10 pm
My personal opinion is that KT will sack him before the Doncaster game.

I really can't see that happening. Another clue as to JED's future will be if he's allowed to bring anyone in before the transfer window closes. If he does KT is sticking with him for at least 10 games, if not he's probably got the next two home games against Doncaster & Portsmouth maximum.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Westander on August 30, 2017, 14:56:21 pm
I wonder if our Chinese friends will join the queue with the council to get their money back if we drop into league 2, if that should be the case any amount would be worth spending although it's always a risk as there's no guarantee his replacement would be any better.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Vince Planner on August 30, 2017, 15:17:22 pm
My personal opinion is that KT will sack him before the Doncaster game.
Before Doncaster but after the window closes?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 30, 2017, 15:29:49 pm
It must be horrible knowing you're getting canned just waiting but he has no one else to blame but himself. I really hope KT gets its right this time.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: memyhead on August 30, 2017, 15:33:19 pm
GET HIM OUT OF OUR CLUB NOW KT - PURE POISON!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 30, 2017, 15:41:16 pm
So much for all the insiders that said he was going today - unlikely now realistically


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 30, 2017, 16:53:17 pm
Has anyone checked to see if he is still in the dugout?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 30, 2017, 16:53:59 pm
Has anyone checked to see if he is still in the dugout?

 ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 30, 2017, 18:20:11 pm
I think he's living in a hole in the ground and refusing to speak to anyone , only venturing out to mutter 3 5 2 to passers by !


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: BrixworthCobbler on August 30, 2017, 18:20:40 pm
I really can't see him going until after the Doncaster game (if we fail to win)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shadowstorm on August 30, 2017, 18:28:05 pm
I want him out, but, I think he'll get until the end of sept to get things sorted. By then we'd have played 11 or so league games. Trouble is might be too late by then and we'll be staring into a relegation battle by then with confidence at an all time low. Oh and if the rumours are right and he's lost the dressing room then he's a dead man walking and there's a Bristol Rover away performance looming.... JED please swallow your pride and resign.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2235 on August 30, 2017, 18:30:21 pm
I can't understand all this negativity, we're only seven points off the play-offs  ;)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 30, 2017, 19:58:09 pm
I want him out, but, I think he'll get until the end of sept to get things sorted. By then we'd have played 11 or so league games. Trouble is might be too late by then and we'll be staring into a relegation battle by then with confidence at an all time low. Oh and if the rumours are right and he's lost the dressing room then he's a dead man walking and there's a Bristol Rover away performance looming.... JED please swallow your pride and resign.
No one resigns I'm afraid .
By doing so , you walk away from your contract entitlement .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 30, 2017, 20:05:51 pm
No one resigns I'm afraid .
By doing so , you walk away from your contract entitlement .

During the fylde v barrow match on earlier this week they said that barrow's manager had just resigned after a poor start to the season, it struck me as being a very old school and honourable thing to do - JED won't resign, just look at the way he left gillingham.  I wonder if KT hasn't made a move due to the "stigma" of being the first club to sack a manager this season and how it would reflect on him/us - I genuinely can't think of any other reason why he hasn't pulled the trigger.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shadowstorm on August 30, 2017, 20:11:44 pm
No one resigns I'm afraid .
By doing so , you walk away from your contract entitlement .

Fair point! Yes unfortunately money talks, guess I was wishing he'd relalise he's out of his depth and do the right thing. So I shall pray for the board to do it for him.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 30, 2017, 20:28:26 pm
The complete silence from all quarters speaks volumes .
No one defending or openly supporting anyone .
Trouble at mill


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 30, 2017, 20:33:50 pm
It is weird that there has been absolute silence from the club regarding the manager. You would have expected some kind of statement supporting him.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Cordwainer2 on August 30, 2017, 20:47:43 pm
Trying to cheer myself up, I looked at the start of the championship season. It was dreadful, lost at Barnet, lost at home to Dagenham. I think there were "Wilder" out calls then. Just perhaps this season will work out similar. I did say I was trying to be optimistic, but I'm not really.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on August 30, 2017, 21:01:35 pm
During the fylde v barrow match on earlier this week they said that barrow's manager had just resigned after a poor start to the season, it struck me as being a very old school and honourable thing to do - JED won't resign, just look at the way he left gillingham.  I wonder if KT hasn't made a move due to the "stigma" of being the first club to sack a manager this season and how it would reflect on him/us - I genuinely can't think of any other reason why he hasn't pulled the trigger.
Rather strange that newly promoted Hungerford Town (who I watched play a week or so back) saw their manager resign during half time last week!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on August 30, 2017, 21:05:53 pm
It is weird that there has been absolute silence from the club regarding the manager. You would have expected some kind of statement supporting him.

You know what will happen now, KT via Skype supporting the manager and talking about transfer deadline day.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 30, 2017, 21:12:07 pm
Trying to cheer myself up, I looked at the start of the championship season. It was dreadful, lost at Barnet, lost at home to Dagenham. I think there were "Wilder" out calls then. Just perhaps this season will work out similar. I did say I was trying to be optimistic, but I'm not really.

Trying to cheer myself up too....I looked at the results in 2008/9 season, the last time we were relegated from League 1 to 2....that season we gleaned 4 points from our first 4 games, and also managed to win in both the first and second rounds of the League Cup.....


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Wolvo on August 30, 2017, 21:25:53 pm
Trying to cheer myself up, I looked at the start of the championship season. It was dreadful, lost at Barnet, lost at home to Dagenham. I think there were "Wilder" out calls then. Just perhaps this season will work out similar. I did say I was trying to be optimistic, but I'm not really.

Look at last seasons Sheff Utd too  :P


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on August 30, 2017, 21:51:57 pm
Look at last seasons Sheff Utd too  :P
Chris Wilder is a proper, respected and successful football manager who has never been sacked. Justin Edinburgh is not!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3114 on August 30, 2017, 21:57:35 pm
Did he say this? I took it to mean that, although (up until now) he has been stubborn we'll probably have to go back to 4-4-2.

Listen, and I'm sure I'll get pelters for this, because things are currently beyond woeful, but I would still prefer a situation where J. Edinburgh manages to turn this situation around.
Please, hear me out before you start throwing. Yes, I think the keeper situation could prove a major ****-up, as will the lack of wide players. And yes, these things (and many more) are down to the manager. But (and it's a big but), if he can recognize his mistakes and grow from them, then we could still do ok this season.

I'll be honest, I'm surprising myself by writing this, because I was spitting blood on Saturday - and last night didn't sound too good on the radio, either - but, hopefully, the Cambridge game can be the start of improvement. Because, and let's be honest here, if the club replace JE it will cost a heap of time and money.

He admitted himself to being stubborn, so, if he hasn't already done so, I'd suggest he needs to do what Atkins did early doors; sit the players down and have an open free-for-all, let them say what they want with no repercussions. He is still the boss, and any final decisions will be his to stand or fall by, but if he can't get the squad behind him he is done anyway - so he needs to be man enough to take their concerns on board. He needs to address any and all issues concerning his workforce, and this may well include fitness levels and coaching (both of which appear to be lacking).

I can barely remember such total and instant animosity towards one of our managers. I don't know, maybe I'm talking bollox (according to Evers I usually do  ;D), or maybe it's time to drop the vitriol and get behind the guy, at least for the next few weeks. Justin Edinburgh will stand or fall by the decisions he makes in that time, but let's not keep willing him to fail, eh?
An admirable sentiment that many would echo were it not for the fact that he stuck with 3-5-2 and put R & R up front as some have also mentioned. A clear indication of no plan B if ever there was one?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 30, 2017, 22:03:54 pm
You know what will happen now, KT via Skype supporting the manager and talking about transfer deadline day.

Maybe even a Shaq video to cheer us up!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Manwork04 on August 30, 2017, 22:09:19 pm
The problem is that we don't have the players for any other formation, he basically bought centre backs and central midfielders and a very inexperienced keeper.
We need wingers and another striker, in fact while I think about it he doesn't have the players to play the formation he wants to either  :P


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: SteveRiches on August 30, 2017, 22:24:11 pm
Why are we arguing? The statistics speak the truth.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: JollyCobbler on August 31, 2017, 02:17:12 am
Why are we arguing? The statistics speak the truth.

I don't think anyone's arguing, Steve. ...which is actually quite unique around here. :o


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 31, 2017, 05:54:39 am
I don't think anyone's arguing, Steve. ...which is actually quite unique around here. :o
I don't think I  have ever seen so many cobblers fans wanting the manager out before, so many fans cannot be wrong.COME ON COBBLERS  DO IT.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: SteveRiches on August 31, 2017, 07:32:21 am
I don't think anyone's arguing, Steve. ...which is actually quite unique around here. :o
Good point m'duck!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on August 31, 2017, 07:40:44 am
I don't think I  have ever seen so many cobblers fans wanting the manager out before, so many fans cannot be wrong.COME ON COBBLERS  DO IT.
You're so right, Defender. In past situations there has always been a reasonable percentage supporting the current manager. I'd say with JED that conservatively the figures are 95% get rid and 5% keep. He has brought all this on himself with poor results, dull and uninspiring football, formations that don't work for us, ridiculous player selections, signings with no strategy and his own self admitted stubbornness. Even if by some miracle he does manage to turn it all around, he has not only lost the dressing room but he has also in the main lost the lifeblood of our club, the supporters.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: andycobbler on August 31, 2017, 07:58:36 am
You're so right, Defender. In past situations there has always been a reasonable percentage supporting the current manager. I'd say with JED that conservatively the figures are 95% get rid and 5% keep. He has brought all this on himself with poor results, dull and uninspiring football, formations that don't work for us, ridiculous player selections, signings with no strategy and his own self admitted stubbornness. Even if by some miracle he does manage to turn it all around, he has not only lost the dressing room but he has also in the main lost the lifeblood of our club, the supporters.

Spot on, his reign is untenable now even if he achieves mediocre and his display v Cambridge reminded me of Johnson's antics. Got to go and go now. Maybe he'll do the decent thing, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: clarkeysntfc on August 31, 2017, 08:12:33 am
The only manager I can ever remember resigning from the Cobblers was John Gorman.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: andycobbler on August 31, 2017, 08:25:40 am
The only manager I can ever remember resigning from the Cobblers was John Gorman.

I think he resigned due to a family tragedy, shame because he is well respected in the football world and could of been a success for us.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest48 on August 31, 2017, 09:47:59 am
As I said before, my opinion is that JED wants the pay off, why else continue with tatics and team selections that you know don't work and will, eventually, result in the sack. 2 years money for nothing, nice option to have isn't it ?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Wolvo on August 31, 2017, 09:55:10 am
I think he resigned due to a family tragedy, shame because he is well respected in the football world and could of been a success for us.

Time is the greatest healer. Gorman was nothing short of terrible for us! Can only remember him only winning a game or two before resigning for stress and fans questioning why he took the job on in the first place.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 31, 2017, 10:02:12 am
Time is the greatest healer. Gorman was nothing short of terrible for us! Can only remember him only winning a game or two before resigning for stress and fans questioning why he took the job on in the first place.

Agree on this, very well respected coach but was terrible in pretty much every managerial role. I think the season before he was with us he managed Wycombe who had a decent side but, despite early promise they dropped like an absolute stone. I think he got the job because he was Calderwood's mate.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 31, 2017, 10:22:27 am
Agree on this, very well respected coach but was terrible in pretty much every managerial role. I think the season before he was with us he managed Wycombe who had a decent side but, despite early promise they dropped like an absolute stone. I think he got the job because he was Calderwood's mate.
We played some good football under Gorman but never got into the penalty area !
I tell you something , he's the sort of coach we need to back a manager who fronts things up .
We have got decent players that are not expressing themselves in this system .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 31, 2017, 10:26:15 am
We played some good football under Gorman but never got into the penalty area !
I tell you something , he's the sort of coach we need to back a manager who fronts things up .
We have got decent players that are not expressing themselves in this system .

Agree, always thought at the time it was a shame he wasn't Calderwood's assistant, think they would have balanced each other well personally - but a manager he was not


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: BackOfTheNet on August 31, 2017, 10:48:08 am
I remember being quite moved by one of Gorman's post match interviews. He said "The fans don't like me here. I don't know why, the fans have always liked me at my previous clubs but they don't like me here." He sounded really, genuinely sad about it too. I think he was wrong though. I don't think anyone disliked him and he always struck me as a genuine, decent man who had just jumped back into the game far too soon after his bereavement.

I think he proved that by walking away when he did, something I'll always respect him for.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: vietnamcobbler on August 31, 2017, 10:59:04 am
Something is stirring at Sixfields today - we will be hearing something about something.   :afro

In all seriousness, I have been told there will be an announcement today from an inside source, but not certain it is regarding JED (could be a new signing)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 31, 2017, 11:11:36 am
Something is stirring at Sixfields today - we will be hearing something about something.   :afro

In all seriousness, I have been told there will be an announcement today from an inside source, but not certain it is regarding JED (could be a new signing)

Sounds far more likely to be the rumoured loan signing of Matt Ingram from qpr - if true JED is a very lucky boy as Ingram is a very good keeper.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on August 31, 2017, 11:16:05 am
As I said before, my opinion is that JED wants the pay off, why else continue with tatics and team selections that you know don't work and will, eventually, result in the sack. 2 years money for nothing, nice option to have isn't it ?
Didn't he get a pay off from Gillingham too, Barton? If so he's making a nice living off not being very good! He's not very popular in Kent either!

Paul Scally, Gillingham Chairman said "He bought a ridiculous claim against the club. It was disgusting"

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/sport/edinburgh-northampton-gillingham-scally-129903/


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: OldStratfordCobbler on August 31, 2017, 11:18:06 am
Sounds far more likely to be the rumoured loan signing of Matt Ingram from qpr - if true JED is a very lucky boy as Ingram is a very good keeper.
Can't we get Godfrey Ingram as well???!!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 31, 2017, 11:21:29 am
Worst thing in all of this is that Scally chap stitched us right up by giving JE a glowing reference.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: clarkeysntfc on August 31, 2017, 11:39:04 am
I think he resigned due to a family tragedy, shame because he is well respected in the football world and could of been a success for us.

He resigned because a) we were doing very badly at football and b) he was still struggling due to then recent passing of his wife.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 31, 2017, 11:46:59 am
Worst thing in all of this is that Scally chap stitched us right up by giving JE a glowing reference.

I know, it's not as if by doing that he got rid of JED as he had already been sacked by gillingham - it's a bit malicious to lumber him on another club. Anyway he didn't get the last laugh as JED's compensation case is still dragging through the legal process.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on August 31, 2017, 12:25:12 pm
Is it true?  ;)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 31, 2017, 12:32:00 pm
Is it true?  ;)

If you put "Paul scally glowing reference" into google it comes up with an article from the Kent papers. Having said that, more fool us for taking the word/reference from the chairman of the club that had just sacked him - my response to a glowing reference in this scenario would be if he's that good why did you sack him in the first place?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on August 31, 2017, 12:33:43 pm
If you put "Paul scally glowing reference" into google it comes up with an article from the Kent papers. Having said that, more fool us for taking the word/reference from the chairman of the club that had just sacked him - my response to a glowing reference in this scenario would be if he's that good why did you sack him in the first place?
Not Paul fcuking Scally ffs!  ;D ;D ;D

...something more importante!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 31, 2017, 12:33:59 pm
I remember being quite moved by one of Gorman's post match interviews. He said "The fans don't like me here. I don't know why, the fans have always liked me at my previous clubs but they don't like me here." He sounded really, genuinely sad about it too. I think he was wrong though. I don't think anyone disliked him and he always struck me as a genuine, decent man who had just jumped back into the game far too soon after his bereavement.

I think he proved that by walking away when he did, something I'll always respect him for.

I shared a bottle of wine with him a couple of years ago. He/we spoke about his time with us. He admitted that he had probably come back too soon after his wife's death. (They had been together since their schooldays) He couldn't concentrate fully on the job and realising that, he resigned. He didn't have a bad word to say about the club. A nice genuine man.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on August 31, 2017, 12:36:29 pm
I shared a bottle of wine with him a couple of years ago. He/we spoke about his time with us. He admitted that he had probably come back too soon after his wife's death. (They had been together since their schooldays) He couldn't concentrate fully on the job and realising that, he resigned. He didn't have a bad word to say about the club. A nice genuine man.
Sharing a bottle of wine really means a glass and a half each...but anyway, what in Carr's Bar?  :o


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 31, 2017, 12:37:05 pm
Not Paul fcuking Scally ffs!  ;D ;D ;D

...something more importante!

Sorry mate, crossed wires! Intriguing - what are you hearing, I hope it's a bit more substantial than what's been on here?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dan on August 31, 2017, 12:56:17 pm
Is it true?  ;)

Tease  :-* ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on August 31, 2017, 13:09:31 pm
Tease  :-* ;D
Yeah, nearly as much fun as hearing Stockport were losing when we were at Elland Rd that fateful day!  :o


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 31, 2017, 13:27:39 pm
The rumours are ramping up again....wonder if there is no smoke without fire this time?!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: ntfc01 on August 31, 2017, 13:34:12 pm
The rumours are ramping up again....wonder if there is no smoke without fire this time?!

What rumours are these then... Spill the beans


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2235 on August 31, 2017, 13:50:11 pm
The rumours are ramping up again....wonder if there is no smoke without fire this time?!
Another tease??


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on August 31, 2017, 13:51:13 pm
Mate, literally I know nothing. I am just going by reading the odd cryptic Facebook post of "Cheerio" and also Coolcat on here..

If I knew anything about the managerial situation I'd definitely be open about it as you can see how frustrated everyone is.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 31, 2017, 14:12:24 pm
He's gone . Official


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Joes Sweet Left Foot on August 31, 2017, 14:14:28 pm
Hurrah !!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2235 on August 31, 2017, 14:14:34 pm
Northampton Town Football Club can confirm they have parted company with manager Justin Edinburgh.

Chairman Kelvin Thomas said, “Justin did a good job for us in difficult circumstances and achieved what was asked of him when he came in last season by retaining our League 1 status, for which we will always be grateful.

“However results overall haven’t gone as well as any of us would have liked, but Justin is an honest and hard working individual and we wish him well for the future.

“David Kerslake will take temporary charge of the squad as we begin discussions to find our next manager. We do have some potential targets in mind and with a free weekend this weekend it does allow us some time. It is important that the focus of the squad is now on the game with Doncaster Rovers at Sixfields on Saturday September 9th.”



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Welly Cobb on August 31, 2017, 14:15:37 pm
Weird time to do it, especially if we're bringing a keeper in.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on August 31, 2017, 14:18:45 pm
Weird time to do it, especially if we're bringing a keeper in.
Don't start!  ;D

Perfect time! No games for a while...more than enough players assembled! Anymore in the remaining 7hrs would have been a desperate farce!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Wolvo on August 31, 2017, 14:20:04 pm
Weird time to do it, especially if we're bringing a keeper in.

Unless it's a Neal Eardley type deal. Contract talks in one room whilst the manager is sacked in another room  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest170 on August 31, 2017, 14:20:15 pm
Weird time to do it, especially if we're bringing a keeper in.
Must have taken a long time to negotiate but I would imagine he's been on gardening leave since Tuesday night and the recruitment has been done by the scout (cant remember his name)


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Dan on August 31, 2017, 14:23:25 pm
Fu*king get in  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on August 31, 2017, 14:26:10 pm
Good crowd for Donny then!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on August 31, 2017, 14:38:01 pm
Kerslake in charge .... not for long I hope


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 31, 2017, 16:21:57 pm
Kerslake in charge .... not for long I hope

He seems to have survived better than Wilkinson did under Page...probably due to his previous time here...unlike Wilkinson.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Quintonside on August 31, 2017, 16:27:42 pm
Lock this thread. He has gone now. Lets leave him alone and move on.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Manwork04 on August 31, 2017, 16:35:51 pm
YIIIIIIPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEE


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest1269 on August 31, 2017, 16:43:29 pm
Didn't he get a pay off from Gillingham too, Barton? If so he's making a nice living off not being very good! He's not very popular in Kent either!

Paul Scally, Gillingham Chairman said "He bought a ridiculous claim against the club. It was disgusting"

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/sport/edinburgh-northampton-gillingham-scally-129903/

Probably will never know the truth here but Mr Scally not the most trustworthy individual- even admits giving JED a glowing reference - thanks mate!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: defender on August 31, 2017, 17:57:33 pm

 About bloody time!!!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: CobblerForever on August 31, 2017, 18:00:17 pm
Kerslake in charge .... not for long I hope

To be fair, Kerslake was the only one attempting to affect events on the field from the touchline on Tuesday evening.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Irchy cob on August 31, 2017, 19:07:29 pm
It's always interesting to see who takes caretaker control when there's a sacking, I was under the impression that JED and kerslake came as a pair - they've worked together for several years and if one goes they both go.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: EssTeeFree on August 31, 2017, 19:23:57 pm
It's always interesting to see who takes caretaker control when there's a sacking, I was under the impression that JED and kerslake came as a pair - they've worked together for several years and if one goes they both go.

Kerslake will be gone soon enough, club need someone to run things who isn't the manager. They'll still be paying Kerslake so might as well be him.

Pretty much standard practice for the assistant to step in. In fact I can't remember a time when we've sacked the manager and the assistant at the same time.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Coolcat on September 01, 2017, 00:24:45 am
Kerslake will be gone soon enough, club need someone to run things who isn't the manager. They'll still be paying Kerslake so might as well be him.

Pretty much standard practice for the assistant to step in. In fact I can't remember a time when we've sacked the manager and the assistant at the same time.
Wilder and Knill were sacked together!




 :D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Parklands Cobbler on September 01, 2017, 06:45:47 am
Wilder and Knill Sacked?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on September 17, 2017, 20:12:29 pm
Installed as the very early favourite for the Vale job!

What the actual **** could they be thinking!!!

Hope he gets it, would probably effect compensation / contract payment figures.

Can someone give him a refrence as Scally did please.

http://www.thesackrace.com/teams/port-vale



Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on September 17, 2017, 21:58:54 pm
One or two twitter rumours of page to chesterfield.

Now that would be something to see both page and JED back in management. I would be gobsmacked!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3114 on September 17, 2017, 22:08:22 pm
Installed as the very early favourite for the Vale job!

What the actual **** could they be thinking!!!

Hope he gets it, would probably effect compensation / contract payment figures.

Can someone give him a refrence as Scally did please.

http://www.thesackrace.com/teams/port-vale


I tell you what the **** they're thinking. Ridiculously sacked after 4 games, best 2 players injured, saved the Cobblers when they were in free fall. Basically all the crap you can think of when you are desperate and need to convince yourself your man might be up to the job? Bit like we did really.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on September 18, 2017, 10:16:46 am
I wouldn't take too much notice of the compensation argument .
That would only come into play if the manager is still employed at the club , which was the case when we took Page from Port Vale .
If the manager has left , I doubt very much that would affect his compromise agreement . They just get double bubble .
That's certainly the way it works in the non football related world .
Personally , I wish JED well . He needs to learn from his mistakes though .
Maybe he would like to take some of the players he signed in the summer with him ?


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest47 on September 18, 2017, 10:47:13 am
I wouldn't take too much notice of the compensation argument .
That would only come into play if the manager is still employed at the club , which was the case when we took Page from Port Vale .
If the manager has left , I doubt very much that would affect his compromise agreement . They just get double bubble .
That's certainly the way it works in the non football related world .
Personally , I wish JED well . He needs to learn from his mistakes though .
Maybe he would like to take some of the players he signed in the summer with him ?

I always thought they took around half of the remaining contract and became free agents. If they were paid the whole term then clubs would insist they didn't work for the rest of the contract time. Two or three years is a long time to be out of football even if you're getting paid for it.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on September 18, 2017, 12:35:16 pm
I always thought they took around half of the remaining contract and became free agents. If they were paid the whole term then clubs would insist they didn't work for the rest of the contract time. Two or three years is a long time to be out of football even if you're getting paid for it.
Correct .
That's what I'm saying .
I would bet JED got paid off with a severance agreement and then will take another job .
Double wages in other words .
I wouldn't take too much notice of what that pikey Scally said at Gillingham .


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Its_nice_to_michu on September 18, 2017, 19:23:04 pm
YOU mark my words JED will be managing Billericay within 3 years....


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on November 15, 2017, 17:51:51 pm
I see JED is the evens fav for the Leyton orient job. God help them if he gets it!


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on November 28, 2017, 21:58:13 pm
Lots of stories on twitter suggesting JED will be announced orient's new manager in the next couple of day.

Odds cut to 1/6 tonight.

That's them relegated then.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Wolvo on November 29, 2017, 08:36:21 am
Lots of stories on twitter suggesting JED will be announced orient's new manager in the next couple of day.

Odds cut to 1/6 tonight.

That's them relegated then.

I reckon he'll do well. Solid record in non league... it's only League One where fans were less than impressed.

Good luck to him regardless.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: everbrite on November 29, 2017, 11:01:49 am
Lots of stories on twitter suggesting JED will be announced orient's new manager in the next couple of day.

Odds cut to 1/6 tonight.

That's them relegated then.

Why don't you do the decent thing and wish him good luck. Miserable OS.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on November 29, 2017, 11:02:54 am
Nice bloke, hope he succeeds. s*** for us mind.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on November 29, 2017, 15:54:56 pm
JED appointed Head Coach at Leyton Orient on a two and half year contract.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Quintonside on November 29, 2017, 16:32:42 pm
bucks the trend of getting an international U21s job!

I've already backed Jimmy as the next Holland U21s manager  ;D


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Shoemaker on November 29, 2017, 17:11:06 pm
Great news for him on a personal level
Got a decent track level in the lower leagues.
I’m sure our paths will cross again sooner rather than later.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on November 29, 2017, 17:21:51 pm
Means we stop having to pay him as well, so there's a bonus.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2995 on November 29, 2017, 19:02:22 pm
Means we stop having to pay him as well, so there's a bonus.
I wouldn’t believe that stuff mate- they all have compromise agreements and it will be double bubble .
Good luck to JED - he is a decent bloke that just lost his way


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Glastonbury Cobbler on November 29, 2017, 21:18:07 pm
Why don't you do the decent thing and wish him good luck. Miserable OS.

This bloke has arguably left us in an even worse position this year than Gary Johnson did before his demise.

I wish him no ill well at all, but I don't expect orient to be pulling up trees anytime soon.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3114 on November 29, 2017, 22:54:10 pm
Whilst I wasn’t JEs biggest fan, I wouldn’t lay the blame for the squad squarely with him either. Given the amount of time it took to put it together I don’t think some of the players here were 2nd or even 3rd choice. Let’s face it, whilst managerial ability is a big factor you also need a lot of luck. Players at this level are often here because they suffer from large fluctuations in form for whatever reason or are injury prone. You need your best players to stay injury free. You need to be able to recruit the right players at the right time, the list goes on and on. I’m afraid the likes of CW are rare in the extreme. The proof is that all of our successful managers went onto have their problems either during or after their time with us (CW aside obviously) All the managers we have had know their way around a football club, irrespective of their ability they still need things to go their way. Don’t be too surprised if JE makes a go of it. After all, they say if you sit a chimpanzee at a piano long enough, it will eventually play a few bars of Mozart.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: SteveRiches on November 30, 2017, 11:54:15 am
Still glad he's gone. A man for boring football.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest2487 on November 30, 2017, 12:06:33 pm
I think the issue with JE was the Chinese coming in half way through summer and he couldn't handle it.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: guest3063 on June 03, 2019, 13:21:01 pm
Justin was rushed to hospital this morning after being taken ill unexpectedly.

I'm sure everyone on here would like to wish Justin all the best and hope he's out of hospital fit and well as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on June 03, 2019, 13:40:19 pm
Justin was rushed to hospital this morning after being taken ill unexpectedly.

I'm sure everyone on here would like to wish Justin all the best and hope he's out of hospital fit and well as soon as possible.

Definitely...echo your remarks.


Title: Re: Justin Edinburgh
Post by: Manwork04 on June 03, 2019, 20:45:36 pm
Get well soon Justin.