Its about time I won this, or at least got a place.

As it is i'll probably be saying goodbye to my 'orse at the first or second fence as usual!

I'll have a nag if there are any left

Former Wimbledon and Newcastle manager Joe Kinnear has died aged 77.

TVOR to many Southern teams around in the National  North and South leagues, there was no where else for Bishops Strotford to go, Gloucester City were already in the North and their as far South as Strotford.

It looks like Banbury will join Gloucester and Stortford in being relegated from the North, so that will even the leagues up a bit.

With our place in League 1 for next season now confirmed, which new teams will we be facing?

Well, Rotherham's defeat at home to Plymouth last night confirmed their relegation back to League 1 after two seasons in the Championship. The other two places are anyone's though, Sheffield Wednesday and Birmingham City currently in the drop zone, but both are just a point from safety with five games to play. Huddersfield just above the line with Millwall and Plymouth a point further ahead. Stoke, QPR and Blackburn are just four points above the drop zone with Swansea another point better off.
Plymouth have two home games in a week, a big six pointer with QPR on Tuesday and then a televised Friday night game against leaders Leicester. Birmingham host Cardiff and Coventry, Sheffield Wednesday host Norwich and Stoke whereas Huddersfield face trips to Preston and Bristol City. Millwall are at home to Leicester and Cardiff, QPR take long trips to Plymouth and Hull, with Stoke also on the road to Swansea and Sheffield Wednesday.

Portsmouth need just three more points to end their seven season stay in League 1 and make it back to the second tier for the first time since 2012. Going up with them should be either Derby or Bolton. Peterborough could still have a say but games will come thick and fast for them thanks to their EFL Trophy Final appearance tomorrow.  Derby have arguably the easier run in with Bolton hosting Portsmouth next Saturday and travelling to Peterborough on the last day. Barnsley look safe for a playoff place along with two of the three above them, but the last place is still up for grabs with Oxford back above the line and Lincoln falling out. Blackpool and Stevenage are still in with a chance albeit a slim one, Stevenage picked the worst time to go on an eight game winless run and find themselves six points outside the playoff places with only 12 points left to play for.

Down at the bottom Carlisle are gone thanks to our win over them today, Fleetwood look similarly doomed and if they lose their derby game at Blackpool on Tuesday then we could relegate them too next week. Cheltenham, Burton and Port Vale are separated by just two points and it looks like two of those three to drop. Burton are now in the bottom four and have played more games then the others. Cheltenham with back to back home games against Carlisle and Bristol Rovers have it in their hands. Port Vale go to Posh in midweek and then host Exeter next weekend. Burton travel to Stevenage next Saturday.

Coming up from League 2.....Stockport have one foot in League 1, now four points clear with games in hand. Its Wrexham and MK Dons behind them in the other two automatic spots although MK have only three games to play. Mansfield have lost back to back games to drop to fourth with Barrow and Crewe still fairly safe in the playoff spots. Crawley now hold the last playoff spot, but don't count out Walsall and Wimbledon yet. Doncaster are the form team with six wins in a row but with seven points still to make up and only five games left to play have they left it too late?

Tamworth clinched the National League North title today, Brackleys win at Boston makes it look certain that they will contest the playoffs once again, their sixth season in a row in the playoff lottery.

Just 335 Cumbrians fans in a crowd of 6,328

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I wonder where the profits on the sale of the land now fully acquired will be shown and the actual tax treatment of that.

Will that depend on who the new registered owners of the land are? Is it Northampton Town Football Club, or is it CDNL (the wholly owned subsidiary)?

In the last set of accounts (June 23) CDNL is still shown as a "dormant company". 

There was a news article on Sky yesterday regarding the price of a pint and it broke down how much an an average pint cost and why.....with the wholesale cost, wastage, staff costs, rent/utilities and even CO2 were taken off the profit margin came in at 83p a pint.

As I brought up Walsall, I can't find details of exactly how much their big screen brings in. it was touted as potentially seven figures per year but does not seem to have brought in anything like this as it has been felt that a lot of the time it is broken, and when it does work it tends to advertise local businesses rather than the other screens around on the M6 corridor which feature "blue chip companies". One of the big advertising companies is going to attract the sort of business that Walsall's commercial department never could!

Exeter, yes they have many volunteers but the point was they brought in a million pounds more revenue than we did. If a few hundred volunteers can bring in that type of money then lets go for it!!

Anyway, there is no right or wrong answer to all this, all I was doing was merely mentioning that some football clubs do find ways of making a bit of money, and those which are losing money should look to them and look at what they are doing right!

Oh GPC, you are soooooo last year! Surely you mean 3 up 4 down. We're League One now, don't you know?

Lol....my bad (whatever that means!) 

They haven’t done anything yet, the season isn’t over for another month.

Isn't it about more than a league position though? What they (Lincoln) certainly have done is kept up the interest from their fans! I doubt very much whether they would have had a 10000 crowd against Leyton Orient on Friday had they been sitting safely in mid table like us. They also took a respectable 724 to Carlisle yesterday...again probably higher than if they had been in 11th/12th position. Commercial revenues will be up, who knows they may have sold a few more season tickets for next season to fans who live in the hope that they might actually be playing in the Championship.

They are involved in exactly what the playoffs were meant to do, in keeping the season alive for more clubs than if it was a straight 4 up 4 down.

The early sale of season tickets for season 23/24 (cash received before June 30th 2023) will be the most significant part of Deferred Income in Creditors falling due within one year in Note 8. I don't know how our owners manage the Clubs Bank account but it would make sense not to leave monies earning nothing in the bank when they could utilise it elsewhere via their loan account balances.

The accounting treatment will be in compliance with the accruals concept (matching costs with revenues in the period to which they apply).

So if I understand that right and looking at this set of accounts, the £839k deferred in the 2022 accounts would be included in the 2023 accounts and the £1.139m deferred in this set will go into the next set etc etc..... therefore we are "technically" £300k better off than reported?!

Not sure we need to spend more to compete. We’ve done OK as we are. Imagine we swapped Hylton with two fit £2k a week players chomping at the bit. We’ll miss Leonard but with some decent additions there is no reason why we should struggle.

You're right...we may not need to spend any more! Its generally accepted that the Hylton transfer is right up there with "worst signings in the history of NTFC".

The Leonard miss will be big...... and we don't know how much of our budget was being used up on his wages..... it may have been nothing at all, we may have been paying 10%, 20, 30, 40...whatever? We just don't know. What we do know is we would need a comparable player on the pitch and a comparable deal with the parent club with regards to wages, that might be a tough ask!

The news article that came out in January stated that Thomas "hoped that February would be a good month" with regards to the signing of the contracts.

Most people took that as a statement that everything would be competed by the end of February.

Then in March Thomas said that the deal between Club and Council had indeed been done......but there were other parties to be considered and that is what we are waiting for now, one of whom is indeed Homes England.

In hindsight the January statement/report should have had more detail and then people would not have jumped on that end of February date and now be holding the Chairman accountable for what they see as a further delay.

The Revenue figures shown in the financial statements for the year ended June 30th 2023 will only include sales of Season tickets applying to season 22/23.

I wouldn't be so sure on that as the balance sheet at 30th June lists "Cash at bank and in hand".... unless they have a way of not banking or at least accounting differently for revenue received in April, May and June in that financial year...it would have to be shown somewhere though!

Fuçking Hell GPC, be careful you’ll have Tel and his gang after you as the infidel for thinking of criticising his holiness KT.

Wasn't necessarily a dig, more pointing out that it doesn't have to be this way!! I suppose it doesn't really matter when you've got the Chairman declaring that he's(and presumably Mr and Mrs Bower are also) comfortable with the level of losses.

As usual we are better than many examples listed..... Posh for one, but we aren't doing as well as others seemingly are.

Seemingly happy to compare ourselves with clubs losing more money but nobody mentioning clubs who are not in that boat....?

The mighty Walsall, playing in the division below don't forget, have announced an annual turnover of £7.615m, which actually led to them returning into the black, only to the tune of 11k granted, but still a profit.

How about Exeter City? Turnover for the year was £5.844m, and proceeds from player sales was £1.39m, their costs were actually less than their turnover, and as a result they announced a profit for the year of over £300k.

Our accounts show our turnover is 700k less than Exeter (and nearly £2.5m less than Walsall) but our costs were over a million higher than Exeter whilst we too recorded a similar amount from player sales (£1.21m) as they did.

So, are our costs too high, or is our revenue too low? What were we missing out on if at the same time we are recording increased gates, a surge in season ticket revenue (a lot of which would have been banked before the June 30th accounts date) and the fact that the EFL cut in funding was only 100k or so, our turnover fell year on year?

I'm sure there is work going on behind the scenes to try and grow revenue in all areas, and its not just from the fans who turn up every other week. Have we tried to get anyone to take on the naming rights for the stadium since the demise of PTS for example?

It seems at the moment we are in a chicken and egg situation......we won't speculate and pay out money now for a return medium term, but we can't grow the revenue without speculating!

I hope to be pleasantly surprised but I can't see the wishlists being prepared from stakeholders in the Fans Advisory Board are going to amount to anything. I mean, even putting hot water taps in the toilets is a cost which will see nil return on a balance sheet, same goes for an awning/cover for the DJ or whatever.

I thought this inane hypothetical thread was done but apparently it won’t die.

We were never going to go for Taylor as we were already up to our four loan max. We went for Jack Marriott but were told it would cost stupid money to sign him and decided against it and he went to Wrexham. So I guess a more pertinent question to pose is what would have happened if we’d have used a huge chunk of next season’s budget to sign Marriott?. Well he’s done nothing at Wrexham in league 2 and is already barely getting any minutes so personally I’m glad we decided against it.

With respect its a 5 loan max, and that is only a max in the matchday 18. In theory we could have ten players on loan at the club but we could only name FIVE of them in a matchday squad. Second point is that we weren't up to the max as we actually signed Springett on loan six days after Lincoln signed Taylor, so again in theory we could have signed Taylor but then not be able to get Springett...... would that have been a bad thing?
Another thing to mention though is that already having Bowie and Simpson in on loan it was highly unlikely we were ever going to go for a third loan striker (that's if we are calling Springett a winger rather than a striker) as it would have pushed Bowie or Simpson out of the picture....something which parent clubs don't tend to like!

The "revelation" that we had set ourselves a 54 point target this season also shows the ambition from the club, from the top downwards, so it is now folly to believe we were ever in a position where we even wanted to have a tilt at a playoff place anyway!

Finally, facing £1m a year losses should also suggest that next season will be more of the same, in other words there was no money "saved" in January to be used in the Summer. The only time we've shown any real ambition in the transfer market in the last 10 years was on the back of the Chinese money......but thats for another thread!!

Larry Lloyd, part of the Forest double European Cup winning squad and also formerly of Liverpool and England has passed aged 75

Vale were only allocated the South stand and haven't sold out.....

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