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1  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Walsall away 15.02.20 #selloutthebescot on: February 17, 2020, 15:27:40 pm
Not sure why people have to be so polarised in their views but it seems the trend now, not to see the other persons point of view even if ultimately you disagree.

Taking out the more extreme views I think the general consensus is this -

No one overly delighted with the appointment.
Overall result wise points tally is a significant improvement over previous two seasons.
Generally better togetherness of the players.
Football not entertaining
Same old cliches when things don't work out
Some strange tactics and substitutions
Play offs still easily within sight but automatic looking increasingly unlikely
Failure to at least reach playoffs would represent a poor season
Sacking him now would be ridiculous but renewing/extending contract if play offs not reached would not show much ambition to either succeed or entertain and gates would definitely suffer.
2  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Walsall away 15.02.20 #selloutthebescot on: February 17, 2020, 12:46:35 pm
Regarding the substitution of Morton KC thought that by bringing Oliver on we were more likely to retain the ball higher up the pitch which we were not doing. Morton is not the type of player to hold and shield the ball untill another player can be found.

Completely agree on your assessment of Morton - but in previous games KC has ignored that point and played him as a target man (where he barely won a single high ball) - however on Saturday up to that point we were actually playing to his strength - i.e. playing the ball on the ground from wide positions rather than the pump up the middle. The substitution changed the game for the worse and even if he felt Morton should come off (injured, missed chances or just knackered) surely replace with a player that could run at their defence (like Marshall) given how entertainingly effective it was for the first half.
Of course we are all tactical geniuses on here but I still maintain KC got it badly wrong on Saturday and along with rubbish defending made a significant contribution to a very disappointing result - I would simply like him to hold his hand up for once rather than blame everyone else.
3  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Walsall away 15.02.20 #selloutthebescot on: February 17, 2020, 11:39:34 am
Curle at his toe curling best...........mid table again bye bye Curle.

His comments about the players and in particular the defending are probably correct (although I'm not sure its the sign of a good man manager to be so public about them) - what really disappoints me is absolutely no recognition of his shocking "tactical" substitution - forget the result but just a hint of humility would reflect so much better on him. 
4  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Walsall away 15.02.20 #selloutthebescot on: February 15, 2020, 17:05:43 pm
Unbelievable substitution of Morton for Oliver - FFS the conditions, the style of play and despite a couple of misses the lad looked most likely to score.

Sadly I think we are going to fade into mid table obscurity .......
5  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Port Vale (H) Sat 8th Feb on: February 10, 2020, 08:49:46 am
Forgot to mention. The referee was one of the worst I have ever seen. Totally clueless as though he had just been picked out of the stands.

The Premier League refs are atrocious but this one was another level.

Interesting observation - yes he was bad but believe us when we say this was one of his better games!
6  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Your matchday experience on: February 04, 2020, 15:52:10 pm
I have been sat with the same bunch for some years now. Some of those around me from the days of the HE.

I like it when it's a good atmosphere. I don't mind how loud it gets and even to a degree I don't mind a bit of lively banter. I think the games really drag when there's either nothing to generate a decent atmosphere, or there doesn't seem to be a willingness to get into it by the support.

I listened to a very very interesting conversation on talk sport this morning where Simon Jordan was being asked about the usefulness of supporters protesting, or making a fuss about things at clubs. I would really urge people to listen to it. The reason I mentioned it, is because it touched quite heavily on the sense of entitlement that supporters have about a club. I come from an era where our role as supporters was influenced only by family, friends, where we lived, or was born, newspapers, or what we saw on the pitch. I'm a massively believe in being primarily a supporter of the club and the team. I genuinely feel that many supporters have wandered into a world beyond their concern, or their business, and feel that they are duty bound to be holding players, managers and owners feet to the fire all the time. I encounter as much conversation (at any ground, including premier grounds) about football finances and management of the club at half time, as I do about the actual game. I also find that social media is riddled with a similar sense of entitlement. A sense of entitlement that would not be leveled at any other business.

So.. In terms of the game day experience. I think for some, it is impossible for them to take the experience at face value. Losing a sense of the reason why we should attend games. As I have said repeatedly. It is my time, supporting a club that I love. Where I can undergo irrational expectations and thoughts, with no more evidence to sustain my belief in NTFC than sheer devotion and blind optimism. I still love game days. Because I haven't over complicated it. I still love it.

Good points and just to add another element from my experience - with close on 50 years of supporting there was a period a few years ago when I was much closer to the players, management and staff - to be honest it really wasn't the best time as a supporter - I much prefer to be at arms length - love the art not the artist as they say. So many people now seem to have that curious sense of entitlement that goes way beyond buying a ticket for the game. Cheer, sing, clap or boo on match day according to your whim, get caught up with the passion on special occasions but as you say don't complicate it but by all means love it.
7  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Derby away - replay on: February 04, 2020, 15:43:59 pm
I couldn't care less where I sit.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Well the best away I've been to in the last few years was last of the season in Portsmouth - not a hope in hell of sitting in ones "allocated" seat - completely split up from the group (due to late arrival and longer in the pub than wise) - did we ask anyone to move or did it spoil the day - absolutely not!
8  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Sc***horpe 28.1.2020 on: January 30, 2020, 14:49:56 pm
Agreed. Their number 30 looked a very good ball carrier and a constant threat with his pace and dribbling. However, I also thought there were quite a few times where he got into great positions but his end product was lacking (e.g. tamely shooting at Cornell or delivering a poor cross). It woould be interesting to hear what the Scunny regulars think of him.

Interesting observations on their number 30 - agreed he was pivotal in many of their attacks with lots of pace and a willingness to run at players - but asa you mention his final ball was frequently wasted - as the Hoskins knockers have spouted for a couple of years (although thankfully a bit quieter of late)
9  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Ill discipline or just football? on: January 30, 2020, 14:42:43 pm
There is definitely a darker side to Goode's play - the last sending off was harsh and yes he went down easily but VN raised his hands to him which is a red card offence so for me gamesmanship not cheating. I'm actually more worried by his habit of shielding the ball and then going down at the lightest touch - there will be an occasion when the ref doesn't give it , he is on his arse and a player is one on one with the keeper.

I'm slightly ashamed to say unless you have a team way above the opposition we need a Charlie Goode in our side but we have no right to complain when we get the same against us.
10  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: FA Cup 2019-20 on: January 28, 2020, 16:04:00 pm
Odds won't be available until the date is confirmed

No but I would guess about 4īs for any win and 14īs for low correct score
11  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: FA Cup 2019-20 on: January 28, 2020, 14:06:24 pm
Itís a big if (beating Derby) but I think the draw is incredible - exactly 50 years since we were last in the 5th round and the same opponents - also that was my first ever game. I think itís written in the stars so lump a wedge on us to win 2-1 next Tuesday .........
12  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Shaq on: January 28, 2020, 14:02:24 pm

Please remain in self exclusion - there has been a huge reduction in negativity, until now.     Roll Eyes


Agreed - embarrassing opening post. Just at a point there are a few positives at the club the same old suspects come up with negative tripe - Iím no Freud but it doesnít take a trick cyclist to spot individuals with a somewhat sad outlook on life.
13  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Orient Tuesday night on: January 21, 2020, 20:50:09 pm
Can someone explain why you canít get commentary on Sonos when itís on DAB and FM ?

Sonos is dark art with a mind of its own.........
14  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: January 12, 2020, 13:05:16 pm

Please desist from making statements that I donít understand economics or lack of understanding of the £5 million debt.  I had perfectly sensible exchange on this thread with Melbourne about this before Christmas and what I think may transpire.  I agree that it is very different animal to external bank debt and no one in their right mind who buys the club will pay off any part of this debt.  But it could be more than just an internal book debt since the £5 million is legally owned to a combination of Belle de Jour Ltd and Ventures. 

Back to economics, I have also written on this thread that in my view the current business model for football clubs in Leagues 1 & 2 is broken and that the German 51% model or a version of it is the way forward.  There are going to be more Burys and, in addition to Macclesfield, Southend are once more in difficulties.  There are more to come.  We and others like us need a sounder economic model and a great deal more transparency!!

On your first point quoted my apologies as clearly my comment should not apply to you but I do think some of the terminology written in general in the manner of KT saddling the club with a £5 million debt does show a lack of understanding.

Re your last point quoted I 100% agree the system is broken and the examples of why are frequent and indeed very diverse - yesterdayís hosts being another example of a club that is probably not sustainable in the long term.

Lastly thank you for a considered and polite reply - it is not differences of opinion that irritate me on this board but the manner they are sometimes delivered.
15  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: January 12, 2020, 10:25:30 am
Maybe, just maybe this is a good as it gets, and until I see an individual or group step forward with a plan, and the financial clout to back it I fear the worst? Does this view make me a KT supporter? I like to think it makes me a realist rather than an idealist? Or as in some cases on here a fantasist?

Of course this opens you to the accusation of lacking ambition but I would counter this by saying my financial success in life (and I suspect yours) has been based on considered practical ambition.

The question that always goes unanswered is simply what is the alternative to the current situation - and Iím sorry a Beds theoretical plan or a Vintage rant on how bad KT is is not an answer, it is not a plan and at best just conjecture, given their clear lack of understanding of economics (Clearly illustrated by the lack of understanding of the £5 million debt in a privately owned company).

Of course Beds will continue his rhetoric on the same theme - perfectly entitled to but will also continue to lack credibility unless he can actually name names and indeed dates when these people waiting in the wings to take the club forward. Our other contributor Vintage will hopefully finally get the message that those of us who donít subscribe to the vitriol he pens are not sheep or indeed apologists for KT.
16  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: January 11, 2020, 10:50:40 am
I think the tide is finally turning against our invisible Chairman, the constant spin and none sense is now there for all to see.

I think you are right but still frankly leaves the fanbase impotent unless KT agrees to sell AND there is a viable buyer with better interests in the club.....

I honestly don't think KT is going to be influenced by angry fans.
17  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: January 11, 2020, 10:12:21 am
Ouch - I already have my first splinter

Humour is good even on points of disagreement - what I dislike is the insults to individuals who are not as vitriolic about the cause (particularly as they may in principle agree)
18  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: January 11, 2020, 09:33:17 am
I am not as anti KT as some ....,
But my word does he waffle on .
Give facts and commit man. Stop blustering .

Totally reasonable observation.
19  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: January 11, 2020, 09:32:18 am
Quote from: Vintage Cobbler link=topic=5547.msg402484#msg402484 date=1578734112.
...........I'm finished. 

Can we quote you on that?

20  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: January 10, 2020, 09:11:32 am
There's no veiled anything, only in your heads.
But for the record I'm pro EU, voted remain,  voted labour (even canvassing for a fairer society) So that all said, I fully believe Thomas is due a wage/dividend from his stewardship.
It's just I wish he would go and work elsewhere  Grin

I think you slightly misunderstand me - I was not expressing a view on Brexit, Trump etc or indeed your views on the same - merely pointing out that increasingly people become entrenched in their views so everything is bad about the side they do not support - in my experience this is rarely the case but it does seem you hold this view on KT - I'm not talking appeasement here, but its interesting the best negotiators/influencers that I have encountered are those that concede certain points to the opposition - try it , it won't hurt that much ..................
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