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1  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: Today at 17:52:41
I think that as the running track was relocated to Moulton College as part of the original DC/CDNL deal and was delivered I understand, the derelict track would then not be seen as a Community Asset possibly.

 Given the wrangles about leases and trying to understand where one piece of controlled land starts and finishes is of a potential commercial interest rather than Community Asset.

Do a £3 land registry search to see if this shows any more clarity?

My preference would be that club control would be as you mention back to the original boundary as this gives a range of possibilities that would be directly linked to the club.

The rest of the CDNL controlled land has no direct benefit to the club unless the common factor of the same ownership of KT/DB choose to from any proceeds of sale or realised value from development.


I'm unable to see anything conected to Thomas/Bower as being really part of our club.
Yes they may front the organisation but they are not in it for NTFC imo.
I just hope the council have the same reservations and protect the clubs intrests and the trust dont get charm offensived into bed this time.
These clowns have had it too easy for to long, protestations are long over due 🤣
Hill top protest anyone? The thought would have them shaking.
A definitive outline of whats planned, timescale , costs etc, would be declared immediately in one of those  embarrasing attempts to pacify the natives in a social media thingymegigs that usually is a load of 5hite.
Recently Thomas claimed he was spending more time stateside for family reasons but since then he's been popping up more regular than 50p Lill!
2  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: Yesterday at 21:24:48
Yes , but the KT consortium wouldnít have been interested in us if it wasnít for the land association .
No one realistically is going to be interested in a low level football club unless a knight in shining armour turns up from the West Stand that wins the Euro millions .
Itís a worrying situation really because I think KT has lost a bit of interest all round .
Thomas is only interested in making a killing from the ground our club stands on, its not a secret nothing will happen until he gets the freedom of the old weedon rd tip.
The council in my opinion would do well to resist his agressive requests and speak with oir the new objectionable  trust in order to to give our club a fair chance of a fair share at the onset, it could be the difference between 50/50 share out or £9 for us and £1 for you as I suspect if leaving it to outsiders to decide.
My reasoning for quoting your post is to highlight  our supporters 'its all or nothing'  stance even now the old belief of its Thomas/cardoza  or the Racecourse nonsence has been dispelled, we are still unable to see an alternative workable method of small sustainable growth programme  that is driven by civic pride and the will of all the football club of Northampton's catchment, fans, well wishers, local businesses and sponsors, all of which collectively would put 10 x times more investment into the clubs infrastructure than any time wasting  land speculators would
Yes it may take a year to fit out the East stand and another year or so to take the capacity upto 10,000, but it would still happen a damned sight quicker than if left with Cardoza and now Thomas.
3  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: Yesterday at 19:35:36
am not criticising the Trust, in fact I think it deserves praise and our thanks for the effort it has made to achieve ACV status for the stadium. I can't imagine that DB/KT are best pleased.  

However, the granting of ACV limited status is something of a Pyrrhic victory in that for unexplained reasons building work can only take place "pending agreement on the development of other land around the stadium".  I am not clear what "other land" means. The CDNL land?  If that is so we may be facing the prospect of the CDNL land/company being sold off by DB/KT with our present owners pocketing the money and then the club (whether under current of different ownership) dealing with CDNL and the Council with the CDNL controlled by powerful developers whose only aim will be profit from what was community land.

what we will get will be dependent on the amount of value the developers rake in and then willing to pay out, ie, 7 millions could see a token gesture of 400k for a few boxes and bit of cladding, less for the developers  will see cladding and not much else but you can be sure the cost will be grotesquely over exagerated in sums of millions😂😂 The trust must be involved in any negotiations between all parties in regards of what is available and how it's best spent to avoid the above.
4  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Creepy Crawleys 8th Dec (A) on: December 12, 2018, 17:54:35 pm
There's been a number of 'pie incidents' over the years...night games at Colchester and Bury spring to mind!  Grin
Not a pie but an Ancell hotel end special burger,
I think it was a night game v Rotherham in the fa cup, we went 2 down and from the back of the Hotel came a fully intact burger that hit me a glancing blow on the side of the head and exploded its contents onto the neck of the poor chap standing in front of me and those that stood within a few feet, extra onions and tomato sauce the lot.
5  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Ivan Toney on: December 12, 2018, 14:14:37 pm
Sc***horpe were 2nd in League One when they signed him, we were 16th (and just off the back of losing 5-0 at Bristol Rovers). Why wouldn't he want the chance aof having a promotion on his CV?
Absolutely agree, but why not with us?  Wink
Sc***horpe is a small Lincolnshire town not much bigger than Wellingborough.
How much further can we fall?
6  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Ivan Toney on: December 12, 2018, 11:08:26 am
I agree 100% that he was sold on the cheap, DC wanted to cash in before he left, but I think that if a player has a chance to go to a club like Newcastle it would be VERY difficult for any League 2 club to match the ambition.
If any player gets the oppertunity to play at a highest level, fair do's, get the very best price and sell on, it was turning us down for a scunny that's the problem.
7  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Ivan Toney on: December 12, 2018, 07:52:13 am
Just one of many Cardoza fvck ups...selling IT for a pittance of his actual worth and not bothering to include a sell on fee...

Hat trick tonight with one a free kick from the half way line!  Shocked

Good luck to the lad. Done nowt wrong & helped keep us up.

Just an ambitious player looking to progress his career.
spot on, it's up to us to match our players ambitions not force them down to ours.
8  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Questions to NBC & NTFC over Sixfields redevelopment on: December 11, 2018, 08:29:54 am
Have I left it too late to get question over?, I would've ask,

Who is making the decisions on what will be actually 'finished ' built or planned as being the very best options
In regards to them being the most future proof, profitable and enabling the clubs growth. Also what will be the real cost as opposed to the highly inflated figures usually bandied about by our clubs owners past and present, of any alterations or new built infrastructure for our club?
Will it be a supporters choice as to what we as end users get from any benefits from surrendered former council land or designs forced upon the club supporters by tbose whose interests are better served by serving up a token gesture?
Question to both parties.
(David Cadden)
9  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: December 06, 2018, 22:52:02 pm
Pretty much nothing new then!

Positive conversations with George....just as he said a few months ago. Work going on in the background....yeah no, you know.

Budget cuts or no budget cuts?? The budget needs addressing, and that will be done in this window or the next, but football first and finances second?

Doesnít want to split off the land from the club, seemingly puts paid to the idea of a fans based/community based takeover.....the success of the club shouldnít really be attached to what happens to the land around it, thatís my opinion anyway, KTís seems to be that they are one, despite the club not actually owning nor controlling the land anyway!

I donít know what to make of it all...KT seemingly has sold most of his share in the football club to David, yet keeps his half share of the vehicle controlling the land. Perhaps he should have been asked why that has happened?
I asked him via a radio show last month if the land was now anneced into the hands of private investors so no longer available for the clubs future use, he said it was never intended for the clubs enabling of redevelopment but
now it seems he has changed his stance?
Also it seems he no longer wants to spend more time in the US of A and wants to sell the club, but is instead continuing the 3 long years of talks with his old friends at the council to do his undisclosed things that is causing frustration to him but is still progressing well... FFS, what in the name of all that is sacred do you still need from the council, and should they grant it to you.. what will it look like? Artist impression perhaps  Wink
Only he knows the end game but still claims its frustrating him Grin
Suggest you sort something out then.
10  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 05, 2018, 19:01:20 pm
So no plan then!

I will go once more then leave it.  The land as it stands has no value to the current owners or indeed any prospective owners of NTFC. It requires the council to grant planning permission. I am not au fait with development terms or regulations but this land was I believe part of a special designated area. It is not worth anything until the Council says so.

The land is a red herring. The lease tidy up was to clarify the position but it does not produce a windfall for either the club or its shareholders
Thomas has had 3.5 years to clarify his position as to what he intended to do with the club and any proposed redevelopment etc, he chose to stay silent and keep his nut down so why should we worry if the land he fought so hard to aquire disappears down a bloody great sink hole? It's his all his own doing not our football club.
Unlike us lot, they have no ambition for NTFC beyond the cash out date.
So whilst these latest lot are still ensconced theres little point in our football trust producing a plan, but it's good to  to put forward ideas just incase.

11  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 05, 2018, 17:18:00 pm
The initial injection was to pay the Paye, the 2/3 months unpaid salaries, more for some backroom staff and other creditors. In addition the legal bills relating to the deal including David Cardozas costs.

Additional funds were required before the club was in a break even position. This was established until last season and then....

If you can get a fans led consortium then please do but i at least prepare a meaningful business plan rather than your constant waffle. If its that easy ask your self why all these local businessman havent snapped his hand off.
When there is pay dirt to be extracted those digging are very protective of their land, there was no way anyone else was getting a look in these past 15 years.
This time the pay out looks like being half the running track secured for the sums of money needed to take over our football club, so this initial outlay was for land and not to benefit the football club perhaps?
You need to remember its the clubs fans and sponsors  that keep this club alive and will go on doing so long after this latest lot cashes in.
12  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: The Big One? on: December 05, 2018, 17:07:59 pm
I suspect Chelsea and Man city will be going all out to win this with them stock pilling players,  Newcastle might realise it's the first trophy they could actully win in a 100 years?
We could see a u23 team at Wembley? Lets hope not.
13  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 05, 2018, 16:28:10 pm
The initial injection was I believe £1.25M  This increased to approx £1.5M  but additional  losses have accumulated over the last year.
  They are looking to recover the cash injections to date this plus a premium, hence why none of the interested parties have come forward with an acceptable offer.


Would that be the same as the mythical  £8.5m cardoza put in which despite being enough to expand the staduim to 12,000 and still have £5m to spend on players,  we had jack **** to show for it?
Why didnt KT use that money, £1.2m on finishing the east and the other £300k to keep us in league 1? With the improved gates in L1, the previous 2 years of selling 15 corporate boxes would not only have repaid his initial investment but we would've been making an extra £1m a year more now than we are.
There is no excuse for lack of investment when we have such poor infrastructure, if he's really spunked that amount of money, which I dont believe, then more fool him for trying to buck the trend that he has now found out always results in relegation and melt down.
14  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 04, 2018, 20:38:50 pm


Bravo.  Smiley

Best, most balanced post I have seen on this forum for a long while.


The key question in my opinion is, how brave are we feeling to take a step into the (relatively) unknown?

Of course, all this assumes KT would even contemplate relinquishing his control to a collective.
You might not have an option Kelvin.
15  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 04, 2018, 20:34:00 pm
When we, as fans, couldn't manage to raise the money to stay afloat the other season what on Earth makes you think we'd be able to raise the money to not only run the club year after year but to extend the stadium? Any of you can answer as I certainly don't expect Beds to.
We are only 5000 of an untapped 300,000.
A steady sustainable growth plan over the next 5 seasons in order to expand every aspect of our club by 50%. Gates, food and beverage,  corporate income, sponsorship etc allowing to us to improve player budgets and  be able to  buy and sell players as most clubs are able and obviously a better established league position, league 1 top half would have them flocking.
It really is that easy.

16  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 04, 2018, 19:30:08 pm
Please avoid making the false assumption that the fans that don't see a community club as the way forward, as being the same fans who agree with KT or backed DC.
The person who was shouted down for questioning DC was done so at a Trust meeting, the very group who should have backed up that supporter that night let him down.
Would You be OK with a well managed, well promoted and fully open community club that could be open to take over offers should the very right people come along?
 Even if Only to escape the clutches of these latest time wasters.
17  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 04, 2018, 16:15:02 pm
Beds ,are you going to reply to the question, how will a community run club raise the money ?
 If your question is how can a 125 years old professional football club, that has nearly 100 years of fooball league membership, that has a such a large catchment of 300,000, centrally located to the country, also home to many large national companies with head quarters locally, raise a poxy £1m to start building up its infrastructure? It really doesn't warrant a reply.
Many much smaller clubs manage it and so WILL we.
18  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 04, 2018, 13:48:26 pm
Thank you " Back of the net" I've tried to make it as simple as possible for them.
I'm not a supporter of KT any more, he said he would under promise and over deliver.
All he has has managed so far is to under deliver.
But those who put forward the idea of fan ownership need to put some figures on the table.
Meccano seems to live in a land full of white clouds and cukoos, Where the owners of clubs never need to put cash in. Everybody else just comes up with how it shouldn't be done without giving any details on how they would.

Months before we actully sold the naming rights for Joe bunny  I suggested we sell the ground naming rights for 10 years for £1 million plus and use it to fit out the east. The most simple and logical solutions are completely  lost on our club.
19  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 04, 2018, 09:11:24 am
Are you going to reply to my question then Beds? Seeing as I had the good manners to reply to yours.
The question you ask has been answered dozens of times already in the 4 pages of this thread.
Firstly ignore all the scaremongering as to what would happen should the speculators walk away, we are not kept afloat by them but by our small band of 5000 regulars, local buisneses through  sponsorship and sky/ league monies.
The club isnt worth multi millions having such decrepit infrastructure, it has no sellable assets left, so the only good point is a vast untapped 300,000 catchment, a brilliant central location with good access from most places, a wealth of large businesses on our doorstep.
All of which ignored over the nearly 20 years that NTFC just become a means to get land deals and the club was just kept ticking over by our small band of loyal followers.
The present owners took control by claiming to the council and clubs fans they would 'finish the east stand with £3 to 4m they have available, but that hasn't materialised but they have secured vast swathes of the land that Sixfields stands on, so we can now rightly assume we will not be seeing any redev from
KT and co, so it's only fair for them to cash in on the land and allow the club to freely move on and regroup under the stewardship of a group, working with the entire community who all want only the very best for the football  club of Northampton.
This is the fairest outcome all things considered, and how I see it playing out.
20  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 03, 2018, 22:40:40 pm
KT and partners did step in when needed when things were very dark. Time has passed by and we have not progressed any further which is a real shame both on and off the field.

D C had the golden ticket of land and finances and for various reasons f ucked it up.  More to come in due course Iím sure. Could have done the lot, made money, paid off debt and walked away a relative hero. But he didnít.

KT got the club for a song and if you compare it to most clubs the club has a big footprint of land, not including CDNL parcel, that ďcouldĒ offer commercial opportunity to develop further. Original hotel was at the bottom of main car park.  In addition KT and DB have control of all the land under CDNL leases as we know NBC were too naive to regain control of the land.

KT and DB could probably still do the development of the stadium using cash of CDNL land, make some decent cash off the CDNL land and walk away with most happy. No £10.25 million to repay NBC after all.

Will they do all this or just move on from the club? Iím not a betting man but...

Is the Trust looking to buy in all reality?
Have they managed to register the Asset of Community Value after three failed attempts?


Its my guess they hoped to get far more land than they actually managed, possibly worth several million and use say £700k to do a bog standard fit out of the boxes and finish block work / cladding to fit a function room and toilet block within it, but maybe claiming it cost 2 million.
But With only half the running track secured, they probably dont want to share any of it with the football club?
Hopefully if they can cash in on the land the got, they may allow the club to be taken over as a community run organisation, as the club having such poor infrastructure  is only kept going by the 5000 regulars and sky tv so no real maket value.
Any initial payments made by kt and co to secure the club have been repaid many times over, ie, Holmes sale, Man Utd cup tie, league 2 championship winning season etc would've paid them back and some.
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