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1  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Skelmersdale Utd on: November 16, 2017, 14:22:20 pm
Get the two big bin dipper clubs to help them?
2  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Facebook Q&A Wednesday 15th 7-8pm on: November 16, 2017, 08:02:16 am
In the past you have said the club need to do more to attract the younger fans and the future generations, something which I agree with. The addition of a game zone is a significant step forward for the yoof as is all of the work they are doing on the digital front. If the kids want to come to the ground earlier to play games, meet players etc then it is likely they will want a burger and coke and the parents will need a beverage as well. This is all extra revenue to the club which helps the team, club stadium etc. It sounds insignificant but for me it a sign they are looking long term and not just how to make a quick £ today
The small stuff is very important especially when introducing the future young fan, 100% agree.
Just think how much better it would be if they saw a more atmospheric professional ground? They and their friends may come back a lot more regular.
3  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Facebook Q&A Wednesday 15th 7-8pm on: November 15, 2017, 23:05:53 pm
This is the link I used: https://www.facebook.com/pg/northamptontownfc/posts/?ref=page_internal

Its a bit mixed to follow but if you are familiar with Facebook you should find a way to follow. Some of the questions are from simpletons like does "JFH drink tea or coffee". Glen Coustener ? asked a question on behalf of D Cadden but for some strange reason could not locate KT's direct responce. Maybe he didnt respond?
Yes he did, claiming Sixfields has upped capacity from 7700 to 8k, perhaps since last home game?

Bournemouth got to the premiership and the secret is because they have a 7700 seater stadium like the Cobblers.
Also claimed we are not going through a period of zero growth as we now have a 'game zone'

Also did I read major building works will not now take place this year but from Jan 2018?
Thats nice.


4  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 15, 2017, 14:35:15 pm
Canít be bothered to scroll back, has Beds come up with any sensible questions yet?
Yes, but you'll  need to scroll back 700 pages.

Its no a coincidence that when Thomas or any previous chairman are given critisism for inactivity or lack of clarity as to their objectives and the implications their actions could have on our clubs future, they are very quick to show they are not being slippery and do a social media / supporters meeting thingy.
There's not a single concern of ours on here  they've not read, and after last weeks in-depth discussions and suppositions its
 Brought about this hastily arranged tet e tet😂
Good work also by NTFC supporters trust in helping with getting this arranged.
5  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Facebook Q&A Wednesday 15th 7-8pm on: November 14, 2017, 22:25:17 pm
As all good poker players know, you look for the 'tell'
From the many previous kt facebook appearances his was very much in evidence.
Did anyone else spot it?
6  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Facebook Q&A Wednesday 15th 7-8pm on: November 14, 2017, 14:28:03 pm
Ive been blocked for several years now from the ntfc official FB site for asking questions during the Cardoza era, so if someone could be as kind to ask this question on my behalf,
Why does the beef bovril taste like chicken?

7  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 14, 2017, 08:17:28 am
..... so somewhat negative predictions on the outcome but no confirmation of questions you will be asking - more than a slight impression you actually wallow in the uncertainty and actually might be disappointed if real sensible and optimistic answers ensued.
If he announced ntfc/ventures/Chinese have decided that we will get a 3000 capacity increase and some corperate boxes, I will be delighted.
Finally able to move our club forward.
He must have some good news for us this time.
8  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 13, 2017, 20:39:53 pm
There you go Beds a good chance to get your questions over to KT. Just ask if there is a development master plan and what it entails. Job done.

RE the contamination I seem to remember a portion of the Sixfields site was underlined with concrete after being made safe. Think this is why the pitch is dead flat while the rest undulates so there may be a hefty piece of land that needs expensive work done on it. Cardoza's plans had x millions towards making the site safe I recall in the midsts of time.
I'm hoping it's not yet another excuse filled session with NBC taking all the blame for the latest on going delays.
We also get to hear about what exactly Northampton Ventures are and it's benefits to our club.
The Chinese investment, are they going to actually invest and in what, ground/ players?
Should help clear up the uncertainty surrounding our much needed development.
9  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Relegation Watch on: November 13, 2017, 07:46:05 am
5 or 6 wins between now and the christmas period would see it necessary to change this thread title to playoff watch, totally inconceivable just a few weeks back.

10  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Stats - Easier Games to come on: November 11, 2017, 17:56:50 pm
I'll give it a go. Is this the correct method?


All those teams that recently  smashed us, posh bristol and bradford etc have subsequently been smashed by teams we've smashed.
So to settle the argument as to which teams are the more easier games, they are the ones most likely to smash us.
Hope that helps.
11  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 10, 2017, 07:31:26 am
I don't expect us to sell every ticket, and yes there are people I know who do stay away because they don't like the ground, because we haven't got cash turnstiles,and they dont want to be sitting in Row A seat number 3 of the West Stand. So yes more seats would equal more choice, but not necessarily bring much higher gates.

We are not "forced" to sell tickets at that premium price.....almost half the seats in the ground available to home fans are taken by season ticket holders, then add on the 200-300 complimentary tickets every game given to sponsors, associates, visiting team scouts etc etc, and you're left with around 3000 seats available on a "walk up" basis. From what i've seen most people purchase tickets in advance so actually only pay £22, the queues for collections are far bigger than the queues for cash sales.
Also the club does make a large number of tickets available to schools, youth teams etc. Commonly there are between 4 and 6 youth teams playing in the shootout, and tickets are made available to the kids for a fiver and its £15 for their parents. So we do already offer cheap tickets too. And yet still we only fill 76% of the seats available to home fans.

I agree with you that Sixfields is not the most welcoming place, I agree that capacity needs to be larger...i'd advocate 12000 to prepare for the Championship, and I agree that we need more room for visiting fans. I also agree that it doesn't appear that the current incumbents in the hot seat are "made of money" and will invest countless millions into the club.

It ain't that easy, there is no guaranteed return. If there was, they'd have done it by now!
Suggestions of unsustainable  'countless millions' being needed is not the only option,  we could try going down the steady sustainable  growth route, a smaller version of what the Saints rugby did, one section at a time, we could extend the South stand and 12 corperate boxes built into the shell soon followed by the restaurant and bars, nothing to luxurious but still giving the ground a more professional feel.  
We, the football club of Northampton could be working with the council to help THEM to acheive planning permission to a developer in return for some financial help that goes directly into where it's needed.
There are several other ways to raise revenues enough to give us the little we require, so scaremongering with large sums doesnt help our continual demise and as doing nothing in fear that it may take a few years to build up our club is a very poor excuse.
KT and co need to show more ambition towards our club.
12  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 09, 2017, 22:30:00 pm
I'm a long time watcher and contributor to this thread. But we keep going round and round in circles!!

We are where we are! Nobody knows what KT's intentions are, nobody knows what the Chinese involvement is bringing, nobody knows whats going on with the council, leases or whatever. Nobody knows how the Police investigations are going and whether we (the Club, the Town, The Council, The taxpayer) will ever see any of the missing millions.

Similarly nobody knows whether a ground improvement, boxes, hotel or whatever is going to bring us success on the pitch.

Sixfields is (in my opinion) a dump, a throwback to what it was, a soulless 90's breeze block stadium built on the cheap. 22 years on not a lot has changed bar the famous extra doors in the loos, the more famous gate painting and the even more famous carbunkle of an East Stand.

But people keep using MK as a comparison, a shining beacon, an example of a forward thinking football club with a forward thinking council........has anyone looked at the League table? You can have your 32500 seats, let your ground out to Rugby teams, English National Teams, have the best conferencing facilities for miles around, have a fantastic hotel built within the stand.......but they're still in League 1. Look at Coventry......same set up, they're in League 2.

To be successful (if success is purely measured on league performance and standing) you need investment ON and OFF the pitch, but probably more on than off. Take Bournemouth as a prime example......less than a 12000 capacity in the Premier League? How did that happen? You also need a bit of luck, a good team manager, a good set up behind the scenes, and so many more variables.

Yes we'd all like a bigger better ground.....yes we'd all like the council to roll over again and give us some more land.....but we can like and wish for all we want. We have a League 1 football team, one that doesn't fill their 7600 capacity tin pot stadium on a regular basis, we have had investment on the pitch but still find ourselves struggling in the lower reaches of the division.

The notion that Sixfields is holding us back to any great degree is quite fanciful. It is a small piece in a rather large jigsaw.

I knew Cardoza was crooked, I did as much digging as I could and was eventually proved to be right. I'm not getting the same vibes about KT and crew. Sure its a tangled web (why does it have to be so complicated with holding companies, companies owning other companies, directors in place in many of the same companies?) but my personal opinion is that KT and friends came in when they were needed, got the club on an even keel and that is where we are today.

What the future holds......none of us know!

Just a few things that I see differently,   It's not essential to sell every seat to every game, how can you expect us to sell out every ticket in a an atmospheric void of a non league looking ground with a team that struggles to compete in league 1?
Saying that, our ground is currently 80% full on average which forces us to sell matchday tickets at a £24 premium and unable to introduce promotional gimmicks as we might lock out regulars.

You also say we would all love a bigger ground. .No, we need a 10,000 capacity ground or we rot.
And no we don't want the council to give KT anything as he has shown little belief in our club to give us anything of substance should the land reap rich rewards.
A piddling handfull of boxes was as much as he was willing to suggest.

Any investment now would be for our clubs long term future benefits, that will be felt long after Thomas and Co and the Chinese become just a chapter in our clubs history books.
Doing nothing without any direction isn't an option that should be afforded Thomas and Co.
13  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 09, 2017, 17:18:29 pm
Its a shame there seems to be littleby way of reasonable guesswork as to how much the club could be purchased for. Wrong place I guess. On other points does anyone really belive there are 2-3000 extra fans to be found at any time other than Wembley visits. The "Northampton" (and surrounding areas) public have long been very fickle.
Since football became popular again 20 odd years ago we have been in a constant state of under development leading to major under achievement on the pitch with very little product to sell to our catchment or entice a new generation of followers.
So as long as this continues in a ramshackled Sixfields nothing is ever going to change.
If we were in a decent atmospheric  stadium holding 10,000 with a dozen corperate boxes/restaurant/bars and a team that could challenge for a play off place or better, gates would average 8 to 10,000 easily  if we heavily promoted our new look ambitious club.
KT has diverted attention away from us having a bigger ground with flippant over exagerations with references to MK and 30,000 and 20,000 but no mention of one that has 10,000 as in my opinion  he doesnt have any intentions of growing our club but keep it ticking over as is.
Our club its supporters and town deserve a chance to grow and challenge other similar towns and cities on equal basis.
14  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 09, 2017, 12:30:26 pm
That's the problem but another (massively simplified) calculation is the gate money pays the players and other income (EFL, FA, TV, catering etc) covers all the other costs - but the reality is running a club with a gate average of 5,000 is never going to make anyone a fortune.

Oh **** just shot myself in the foot  Wink - perhaps we need the means to get bigger gates!!!!
I think we all agree we need to build up our club in order to attract an extra 2 to 3000  new supporters from our huge catchment and encourage more corperate intrests with better facilities in order to move forward.. 
From listening to Thomas from the outset  it was quite obvious he was never coming up with a workable plan to help our club.
All our hopes were riding on them getting vast tracts of prime land in order to cheaply fit out the east stand shell.
Not happening now (thankfully) So whats next? Exit strategy leaving the club in a  good position that would help us find the right kind of investment?
15  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 08, 2017, 19:16:47 pm
This seems to be somewhat fundamental in respect of your (mis)understanding of debate - ie you can't imply someone has said something they actually have not & then use your wisdom against those points.

I have never stated KT has taken us forward,I have no idea how he might take us forward in the next 12 months & to date I have seen no tangible change as a result of new owners.

Having cleared that up - hopefully to your full understanding this is actually what I have said throughout this thread -

(1) For the 45 plus years I have been following the club no one has taken the club forward to the levels you and I would both like.
(2) Derek Banks delivered a little but financial limitations ended his reign. 
(3) The Cardoza years promised much and delivered even less.
(4) The Sixfields move was important but lacked the ambition we are now talking about  (It could have been worse as the original design was actually a  4000 capacity)
(5) KT has been at the helm just 2 years (that is less than 3% of the time period I'm talking about)
(6) In that time we have had one season that surpassed all expectation and another grim one that just saw survival - net/net promotion and maintained league position.
(7) Seemingly financially secure - a few minor improvements (Seats back in the lower east, e-ticketing facilities) - but agreed nothing revolutionary.
(8}  A sell to or buy out to a Chinese group - disappointingly sparse on information but likely to maintain financial security at least for the medium term

With me so far? - this is what I'm actually saying & I think you would be hard pressed to disagree given I even qualify some statements with the word seemingly, likely and disappointingly.

Now for the points we disagree on -

(9) Fundamentally I disagree with yours and others view that a fans collective or a modestly rich local consortium can take the club forward to level we want - they never have in the past and despite asking the question have never seen examples where that type of sustained success has been achieved - sustained successful clubs have always had a money man in parallel to internal investment (football and non football) for revenue generation - you can argue this one with fag packet economics as long as you want but it simply does not fly.
(10) Different from you I'm prepared (with just 2 years of the 4 decades that have passed) to give KT the benefit of the doubt - you cut through the complexities of land leases, building costs, relationships with councils, return on investment with the cavalier approach only afforded to you because you are simply putting down an opinion rather than an actual investment - in the real word there is quite a lot of difference.
(11) KT may or may not be the messiah but whilst there may be an argument he has been slow (in your opinion) & agreed certainly not the most detailed communicator I do not feel his actions warrant the somewhat abusive tone you and your cohorts use.
(12) Finally - whilst you clear sense of "entitlement" to something better jumps out on every missive the reality is, at this point in time there is simply (other than Bed's withholding his 24 pounds) no alternative.         


You 'fundamentally' disagree that Northampton Town supporters and a local consortium working together to build up the club in a steady sensible way, taking it to a level we want, which is min 10k capacity, dozen corperate boxes etc,  you reckon is Doomed to failure, but  a short term outside consortium who are all hell bent on getting free land is a better option?
I think Cardoza and the Bushey boys have told us that it might not be the best option.
Our only hope of getting off the floor has to involve our supporters and genuine owners who want the best for our clubs future, so unless Thomas has had a major change of heart, he needs to sell up and  move onto his next project asap.
16  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 08, 2017, 18:55:14 pm
Does anyone on here have the actual knowledge of being able to advise me how much NTFC is worth, or what the present owners are hoping to achieve financially?
Further more, any idea on annual running costs?

Thanks very much in advance
Breaking even on easily  achievable  average gates of 6000 due a vast untapped catchment plus sky monies etc, so a very much an attractive proposition if ever put up for sale on an open market.
The value however may be inflated to include the possible opportunity to get hold of some free council lands that are adjacent the ground so taking this into consideration could add millions to put off would be buyers?
I would value the club at £1 m  but inflated to unsaleable £10m if the Council grants leasehold etc .. so let's hope they don't.
17  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 07, 2017, 22:42:59 pm
To whom? I haven't heard of anyone. I assume you have.
unfortunately we are not up for sale or what seems now, very unlikely  as we have now gone all cryptic with new Chinese 'owners' who have a 60% share in possibly not  ntfc but something new known as Northampton ventures? which might have been  set up to  siphon off the land that they thought the council would stupidly hand over unconditionally?
 Does this sound like a good club worth some investment into its growth?
18  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 07, 2017, 13:38:51 pm
It's a suggestion but one you have no power to action (therefore not an alternative) & indeed no evidence it would give better results - but I guess that's why you can continue the point ad nauseum, logic being because you can't make it happen no one can ever prove you were right or wrong
We do have the power to keep our £24 in our pockets than inadvertently prolonging our clubs demise..
The fan base have  the power, which is starting to show,  Thomas would do well to remember this if hes planning a third year of inactivity.
19  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 07, 2017, 13:07:20 pm
Brilliant.............
Really...?
20  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: November 07, 2017, 13:05:40 pm
AND YOUR ALTERNATIVE IS?

They are not queueing up to put money into NTFC!
We actually do have an alternative to being hung out to dry while waiting free land from nbc in the hope NTFC see some growth, (never going to happen) and that is for them to either sell up the club as a going concern to those better equipped or work with the fans and town and build up little by little some sustainable growth that our whole catchment can buy onto and feel they at long last have a proper progressive club to follow...
So basically we need to become a football club and not just a land grabbers means to facilitate their goals.
Working towards a 10k capacity and a dozen boxes /bar and restaurant that attracts better gates,  corperate money and subsequently better players and league position,  is a what we need to aim for.
Thomas is showing he has no interest in our clubs future and should be considering selling us on.

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