I wouldn't put money on it - success rate of JRs are astonishingly low

And likewise the Cobblers ever getting anything good is even rarer... Let's assume the very worst case scenario and it won't be far from that.

The council gifts cdnl all of the  23 acres including the entire running track to become a warehouse carpark,  hemming in the tiny stadium making it look even more ridiculous and inadequate..
Can we dare hope for 10 corporate boxes fitted into a tiny rusting stand as it is the least CDNL can afford our club after mothballing it for 20 years..
And  that's your lot...

Best case would be if we somehow got the council to understand the urgent needs of our football club and demand a better outcome that  the crap on offer?

It's not over until the fat judge sings...

The best way for me to attract punters is to have a winning team and earn promotion through the leagues. If JB can maintain this kind of momentum then the gates will soar! Top end of League One will set the hearts fluttering! Success breeds success. That is the time to introduce the commercial initiatives you detail! It might well lead to decent ground development and above all the amenities to go with it! Living in hope😎

So how do accommodate the 3000 ipswich Derby ans several other clubs who could easily sell an extra one or 2 thousand more tickets than the 1200 they would receive.. Also what about the new supporters attracted to a team flying high in L1 and being locked out of the more attractive games?

Both Cardoza and Thomas have tried and failed to buck the trend of trying to be competitive in L1 when we lose so much gate and othet match day takings.

We should contra charge thomas for the vast sums we lose being mothballed in L2.

As for the judicial review, it's my belief that if the greedy CDNL should get gifted the 22 acres for a pittance NTFC and its future will be seriously hampered by their pathetic latest plans..

We need a reset so to open the eyes of our Dopey councillors and that of some fans getting completely swayed into believing the awful plans  will actually help our club, it won't.

Think before you post dopey.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11889881/American-consortium-agree-takeover-cash-strapped-Huddersfield-Town.html

Excuse my 'dopeyness' but please tell me why we are unable to secure  this sort of real 'investment'?
Maybe it's because we're being held hostage by the greedy greedy CDNL and their need for the vast share of the Sixfields land windfall they certainly don't deserve!
Have you also noticed Swindon have recently bought their stadium and plan to invest millions into its infrastructure to not only benefit STFC but the local community..
What legacy will CDNL leave the local community with the £20m they stand to trouser, the very community that they keep mentioning? Fcuk all would be my guess.

So what is it we're getting that some councillors have pushed for and others don't want to get involved with because it's too contentious? A completely overpriced fit out of a tiny rusting poorly built stand masquerading as a £5,800,000 redevelopment that doesn't do anything for our clubs long term future or serve the community in any way....

Maybe the damage has been done, but I really hope this judicial hearing sees this 5hit awful deal for what it is and gets rightful thinking folk to demand a fair share for Northampton and its football club..
All this mess has resulted from too much brown nosing of the wrong people.. let's hope the  sycophantic nature of our clubs supporters haven't destroyed the future of the football club we all love.

This, I think the only part of the group that makes money is InterMK which is the development bit so I would guess there is a reason to keep one bit profitable and the rest loss making. Its quite common in larger groups (usually for tax purposes or similar, but all 100% legal and above board).

Another factor could be that its well know they give away a lot of tickets. I believe they did one recently where all season ticket holders got to bring a mate for free. Personally I think thats a great idea as although the ticket might be free, the seat would have been empty and the hope would be that they buy a pie and a pint so more revenue that way and even better to enjoy it and return as a paying punter.
This is one thing that our ground really does prevent us from doing. I think we could do this, or mate for £1 on some of the unattractive Tuesday night games. As random has pointed out though we would be restricted as wouldnt be possible always to sit next to a mate so would have to be on the proviso that it wouldnt be in your regular seat, which would put a lot of people off.

Welcome over to the righteous side..
You have earned your wings with this post.
Melly with his copy paste, 'dont dare speculate ' economics will not be happy :😀

Under the going concerns bit and the Directors statement, as they are every year. Surely you have read them with all your knowledge of the clubs turnover and how much we are therefore losing to every other club in the land. Surely, otherwise that would suggest you are just making up the numbers.

That's what they would like you to think, perhaps?

When a club is deliberately operating at well less than would be expected  all things considered, any loses have to be own by the directors as they have failed to capitalise on earnings potential.
Our deliberately kept, archaic non league infrastructure and lack of inward investors is taking its toll on our abilities to trade as equals to the likes of Huddersfield Barnsley  Rotherham Watford  Posh Oxford etc, meaning we have to compare our trading abilities to the likes of tiny morecambe Accrington Harrogate and Sutton!
We need a finished east stand and a 3000 capacity increase from the land opertunity that has presented itself for the 2nd time in 10 years, If we screw it up again questions will be asked of those complicit in allowing cdnl and WNC  to take the absolute pis5 out of Northampton's football club for a 2nd time.

The chronical need to stop saying the 23 acres are being given to the club when it's actually CDNL its going to, because if it were the later we'd expected a damned sight more than 10 boxes in a tiny rusting stand with the ground being hemmed in by warehouses and there car park.
So the accounts show what a mothballed water treading club without ambition looks like, nothing more.

Absolutely - for me ever since Cardoza (not KT) robbed us of the £10m and started a totally inadequate east stand the whole saga has become a red herring and intelligent expansion of the stadium should be the way forward.

I don't agree that simply increasing capacity increases attendances (even with a massive marketing and local PR campaign it hasn't really worked at Milton Keynes has it?) - however looking at many L1 clubs we could easily sell another 500 -1000 seats for home games so that should be a priority and I'm pretty sure provide a better ROI than spending up to £4 million on the East stand

MK dons have 3 x the gate takings from  away followings than ntfc, we'll that's £700,000 per season right there.. a better atmosphere = increased gates
A more professional staduim = increased gates.
Increased gates = better players = increased gates.

Increased gates = more revenue = better players= better league position = more involvement from investors..
And so on..
To get this started you first need to be rid of cdnl..
Cdnl= stagnation= poor gates= poor infrastructure = bad players= poor league  position  = building debts to outsider spectators cdnl= the exact  bull5hit we've suffeted for the past 20 years.

Get em gone...

"Hi, we really want to sign your player, we think he can make the difference to get us promoted. We will pay him 25% more than he is on now, a 3 year contract with a significant bonus if we get promoted"

"You must be f*****g kidding me, have you see the state of the paint work on the bollards, the cracked window and dont even get me started on the TV's in the bar. He's off to gateshead. Their stadium has almost 12000 seats (only average 841 but they will come) and get this... they have an athletics track, you dont do you!"

Getting a little desperate now are we cdnl Stan ...?

If you read the Auditors Report you will find it makes it very clear we are reliant on the support of the Owners. Without that we would not be treated as a going concern. We would be technically insolvent and forced into Receivership. What happens if the principal owner becomes incapable or changes his mind?

And just where did you read this in the accounts?
Care to point it out?
Was it self inflicted by poor running of the club and failing to maximise earnings?....
We don't need cdnl, but they need us to get the 23 acres.

As much as the Luton Liar and some others would want us to believe, I have very few concerns over the financial health of the club. Yes I would like the club to be debt free, yes I would like more money in the bank, yes I would like more money to sign better players, but I currently dont have any concerns over the financial heath of the club which mean I am worried about having a team to support this weekend or next season.

So you're not worried by the millions our club will lose over the coming years by being denied much needed improvement into its infrastructure?
Of course you don't as you're only interested in the land windfall for cdnl... oh you Transparent one

wrong wrong wrong Melly and you should know it  (To paraphrase Randm).

Surely you must be comforted by the assurance of Random and Beds, that we are such a potentially huge and obvious money spinning opportunity, that we don’t need to worry. They are more than happy to share their method for calculating future success. Just discard any notion you have of sound business and robust financials. Then replace it by persistently quoting the current population of the town and county. Then wet your index finger, and stick it in the air. 😂😂

All other league clubs have spent to improved their infrastructures and abilities to trade to a greater potential all except for the mothballed ntfc.
Why are you making the case for us to buck the trend to avoid building up the clubs productivity as to avoid any costs associated with improving our ability to trade at 50% more than the last 20 seasons, while straddled by the awful cdnl?

Any progressive club owners who know their ar5es from breakfast time can see the harm a 20 year prolonged lack of investment is doing to our club.
And before melly questions where is the money coming from, well the same place all other 91 clubs are finding it.
As for the vast sum of £6.3m supposedly spent on the permanently 4th division Cobblers, questions need to be asked as to was it wisely spent? All evidence says it was completely wasted to the degree it was reckless and those guilty of squandering it need to take ownership of it and not dumped on the suffering ntfc and its faltering future.

So for clarity... you want a 3rd party to get the land over CDNL. CDNL to wipe off the debt and sell the club for £1 and then for someone to buy us and spend millions out of goodwill to improve the facilities?

It's thomas debt, if he wants back what he has paid for, that will be very easy to arrange..He only needs to open the nearest window and fresh air will blow in a plenty..

I never want to ever hear the ugly name cdnl ever again let alone gift them 23 acres worth £20,000,000 so they can throw us a bone..
Have completely lost our self respect from 20 years being ground down slowly by cdnl?

Even the Chron have lost it by reporting that the council are selling the 23 acres to our football club!
No Chronicle,  it's to cdnl they are selling, not for the benefit of NTFC , because if it were we would be getting a damned sight more than 10 boxes in a tiny rusting stand and getting hemmed in losing the entire running track!

Don't let them scaremonger you Stan, they stand to lose more than ntfc.
 tell them to poke their insulting offer, they need us more than we them.

I think the more relevant question than what the capacity should be, is how many times we have sold out over the last 2 or 3 seasons. That would indicate how much revenue we are missing out on per annum. Does anybody know that figure?

The bottom line is that this drives the justification for increased capacity immeasurably more than any other factor.

Another who has forgotten that ntfc have been mothballed by greedy land grabbers these past 20 years and all that transpires from being remote from the town you represent..
If you want to know what the ideal capacity should be you need to look at the gates of clubs from similar sized towns  that are professionally run and have a great connection with the towns or cities they represent.. Lincoln Bradford Doncaster Rotherham Watford Portsmouth Hull Reading Swansea etc and not that of a club who only exist to provide wealth to speculators passing through that protect their investment very closely.

Being mothballed by cdnl in L2 for the best part of 20 years have  all but destroyed our clubs future hopes and ambitions..

I don't believe thomas and co can continue destroying our clubs ambition for much longer without his most loyal subjects waking up and smelling the coffee.. I fully expect a true supporter of ntfc up at Sixfields breaking rank ,
whistle blowing on what now appears to be happening, and that is Sixfields future growth going up in a puff of smoke leaving it not only tiny but hemmed in and all the land taken away leaving us with a very bleak future indeed.

My wish list. (and actually not to dissimilar to Beds in all honesty)
East stand complete with the boxes
Sexier corporate offering (they have made as much of a silk purse as they can but its still a sows ear).
General lick of paint, fix the windows and buy a new TV
Increase height of south stand and remove seats for safe standing
Increase height of north and consult season ticket holders on safe standing or seating.
Fill in the corners (long was off).

And now the contentious bit... The only way any of this happens is if KT/DB/CDNL are able to buy the land. That means for optimists like me they have the funds to complete points 1-3 above and get plans in place for 4 and 5. For the pessimists it means they can get their money back and sell the club to the claret knight who will do this all for us. (please dont get excited over my use of optimist and pessimist, its not meant in a negative way). If anyone else gets their hands on the land then 1-3 wont happen and I would expect the investment in the team to dry up (more than it has in some peoples opinions) and they will look for a quick out.

The fact Thomas and co haven't spent a penny in 7 years to improve what we have despite 5punking a massive £6.3m, dumping this debt on our club, an amount that could've seriously improved the infrastructure if spent correctly,  so that should tell us all of we can expect from cdnl/ thomas...bugger all..

Why do you put such faith into those who haven't earned it?
You are going to be greatly disappointed should the council stupidly give these lot the 23 acres..

Let's hope a massive spoke gets stuck into their manipulating greedy selfish time wasting wheel and the bounty goes to ones who actually understand Northampton towns urgent need for a capacity increase and finished East stand and not like cdnl pi55 takers taking everything and offering nothing or very little.

Accrington, Morecambe, Fleetwood, Forest Green

Thanks for highlighting this, those 4 tiny towns don't make up even half Northampton's population,  but have similar stadium to us!
All of which have virtually spent their entire history as non league teams.
Good work pointing out our incredibly inadequate infrastructure.

Does comparing Sixfields capacity to other clubs and regions make a material difference, as we haven't got anywhere near worrying about reaching capacity anytime recently?

Appreciate if (big if) we got promoted we'd likely get a bigger crowd, however previous recent League 1 forrays (Lockdown season aside) haven't seen us regularly pushing against capacity.

Would a higher capacity stadium not exacerbate the current notion that Sixfields atmosphere is a little subdued?

You may have failed to notice that for 20 years our club have been subjected to mothballing in order that those differing 'owners' can gobble up all the land and bugger off with millions and millions...

The repercussions are that ntfc have failed to build up its support base, its connection local businesses and investors also failing to improve the 1990s infrastructure.. And this Ladies and gentlemen has been aided and abetted by those very people who claim to support our club...

But all is not lost, we still have time to get the council back on side.. drop them an email demanding a fair reflection of the land carve up at Sixfields.
They need regular prompting..

 

Never let the truth get in the way Beds, 12 league 1 & 2 clubs with smaller capacities than us.

I notice you didn't name them, I wonder why?

What rights do the club have over the 'spoils'?
No one is going to give the club a penny if they are able to buy and develop the land.

Just for the record far more than CDNL.
Northampton towns future depend on getting a fair deal and not shafted by 10 boxes in a little rusting stand.

The council have to be made aware of what it's local football club desperately need from the land at Sixfields which is not what is being divided up to benefit our clubs future.

At the moment its looking desperate for our club, I'm sending emails to the relevant bodies hoping they start seeing sense and reject this awful cdnl proposal or get it to reflect our clubs needs which is a finished east stand and a 3000 capacity increase.
Anything less and we're screwed for the foreseeable.

I know, I know!  He plucked them out of his arse. That's where all his figures come from.

Oh dear, that didn't age well 

Maybe you need to start listening to others than hanging on every word uttered by land hungry cdnl.

That judiciary hearing delay may turn out to be a blessing in disguise as the land sale could go back to a fair open market that entice one's who can accept our clubs right of a fair share of the spoils  and protecting them ...
As at this moment we're staring at another doomsday scenario where ntfc's future growth prospects disappear in a puff of smoke.

A finished East stand and a 3000 capacity increase,  must be the minimum acceptable, to  fully agreed by all those who have an interest in the future of their Towns professional football club.
It can't be dictated by a handful of brown nosing sycophants and daft councillors who are ll to easily persuaded. All hell bent on destroying Northampton's professional football club, withoutthem even realising it ...Again!

Ah so the Luton Liar is just another keyboard warrior shouting at the wind. Although we knew that already. Stop wasting your time on here and go back to your Luton paymasters and tell them you cant divide us with your idiocy.

Can you let me know where you got your list of towns and cities as I cannot find a list that shows Northampton as 26th largest. Only list I can find has us 45th in England and approx 10 of the ones above us dont have any League stadiums in them.
Much obliged.

Try look  again but don't count districts just the boroughs and their conurbation .. I think we actually might be 24th!

Many non league clubs also have far bigger stadia than tiny Sixfields.

Have you started the petition or drafted the open letter we can all sign yet. Or is the Luton Liar still spreading division.

Just the ear of those who will feel the backlash should our club yet again be cheated out on a decent amount of redevelopment for the £20m being fought over..
A finished east stand and a 3000 capacity increase is the absolute minimum requirement for our fair share.

I noticed that the countries 26th biggest city/town has the 91st smallest capacity stadium..
Thomas and Co mustn't be allowed to take the pi55 anymore.