I'm probably in a minority here, but I don't care about the Club's accounts! I'm more concerned with paying my energy bills

Cared enough to point out that you don't care..But you do really 

And if your next customer demands of you, that you finish his extension as well as the ten rooms that you have quoted for, you will oblige? Youre in cloud cuckoo land.

Northampton and its football club doesn't owe thomas a single square inch of Sixfields and its land for him to take control of, sell and get gone . Any thinking he is owed are the ones who truly living at 5 cloud St,  cuckoo land!

Nothing yet has been divided and signed up kand as long as it remains so our clubs future is still in our own hands and not that of the God awful CDNL.
Wise up and do it fast.

Redevelopment topic only 13th on the list of topics! (Bugger I have just put it back on top).

Less than 2 weeks away from the Judicial Review which could give K T the green light to back up his words with actions! Finally we can then put the sorry episode to bed.

The green light to mug us all off with just 10 boxes in a rusting stand?
I really hope you're not serious.
If we demand of both the council and the preferred bidder that the minimum requirement for Northampton and its football club is a finished East stand and a 3000 capacity extension to the south stand  and nothing less, we will get just that.
Thomas can shove his proposed 10 boxes of several years ago up his time wasting shute. His race has run.

I wonder how much a recording artist with a number 1 album and an undisputed champion of the world are worth and if they have any interest in owning a football team 

We don't need their money as we have a big share of the £20,000.000 coming our way as long as thomas and co are denied the entire pot,  which strangely some of our own clubs fan want him gifted!
Nowt stranger than folk.

It's his music that leaves me cold, definitely an age thing 

His Glastonbury set of 2 years ago was brilliant..I'm 61, so not an age thing just you might be a bit square?
Collaborating with the likes of Fontaines DC and the Idles , how can anyone be cold to that?

One thing you fail to mention is that all the above managers worked under severe restrictions at our club over the past 20 years, where the club they worked at trade at half of what is expected of it so the implications are poor budgets, no inward investment from sponsors and gates severely limited by non league infrastructure they are expected to work with.

It's not a coincidence that all above mentioned have gone on to bigger and better once free of the Sixfields shackles and the ignorant to the above facts, baying mob that were recently preparing an attack on the brilliant manage we have now!
Oh the vicious invisible circle that goes around and around....
That's 'Northampton town' under CDNL...
Let's Hope we can be free of them without losing everything we have before more progressive and worthy owners take over.

It is so easy to spend other people's money!

It's so easy to mothball  a club when in seek of land riches..
So by not improving infrastructure, fan base and seeking investment, they have yet again destroyed our promotion prospects.

Beds - just the two questions on this -

1) Why do you think the council would divert a single penny to the football club? - having already being fleeced for £10m and 95% of council tax payers not giving a toss about the football club cold logic, even as an avid fan tells me that isn’t going to happen.
2) Any thoughts on who these new progressive owners are so all fans can get behind them.

Firstly it wasn't NTFC that fleeced the council but cdnl/cardoza/nbc.
Northampton and NTFC were victims, losing a golden opportunity to progress the club.
As for the last bit,  at least 50 other football league clubs have owners who are progressing their respective clubs..
One similar to those, currently kept at arms length for 20 years will eventually step in save our asset diminished mothballed club.
It's ironic that our clubs own fans are the ones allowing it to continue.

This land grabbing nonsense will end soon.

They've always replied quickly when I've emailed them

Has Thomas ever replied to you quickly?..

Hi pau, botn, peter,stan and melbourne, so sorry I was slow to reply, on holiday in Australia.
But having read your replies, It seems that you could only be cdnl/thomas or employees there of.. or ones hiding under his shirt tails..
Im very tired, having just got  back from wedding celebrations, so after some rest, I shall correct your errant ways.
Northampton town fc will not be subjected to or suffer from your devious manipulation..

The third option is that the judicial review is successful. With all this publicity and the perception that this is a land grab with zillions to be made, other parties enter the new bidding process. (It’s not like there’s only one land developer in the country). The price goes through the roof and the council are obliged to accept one of the significantly improved offers. The club gets nothing, the current owners walk, the people with deep pockets queuing up to buy the club turn out to be a load of bollócks and we go down the Kermit. Of course that won’t happen, everything will be fine. With our catchment area, local businesses and well wishers chomping at the bit and a fortune to be made by extending a couple of the stands we’ll be the next Brentford. Have faith, in Beds we trust.

You may not be the fastest learner, but well done, you got there in the end.. Well almost. You just have to know we're very capable of survival, not needing cardoza/thomas to avoid playing on the racecourse!

Through your tightly gritted teeth, you have virtually nailed exactly what will happen..
The under fire council as you rightly pointed out, will seek a significantly improved deal which they will quickly attain, a massive £18m for the town of Northampton of which several millions will be paid back the football club and over seen by new progressive owners only wanting to build up the fortunes of NTFC after 20 year of deliberate and cruel stagnation at the hands of CDNL, All monies going into improving capacity and finishing the East stand, also allowing a 30m buffer zone on the old running track protecting the stadium from being hemmed in, allowing for other important income streams for the club..

At last we're all in agreement so lets move forward, out with the old in with the new.

2 quick points if I may.
The full question you need to ask is...
Do you want a guaranteed 5hit deal of losing all the land, car park and running track in return for just 10 boxes fitted into a tiny rusting stand without giving the desperately needed 3000 extra capacity which our non league ground needs in order for us to build up its income, support base and league position, or loosing all the land, car park and half a running track for nothing, not even 10 boxes in a rusting stand?

I would love for there to be a 3rd option. Currently there isnt.

Let us demand of the council to oversee a fair deal for Northampton and its football club..
Great yes lets do that. Can you share a link to the petition you have created, how about an open letter we can all sign? When is the march on the guildhall? When did you write to the council or put it formally to the Trust coordinate. Lets rally the troops... Go!

First point, that it is exactly the 5hit deal thats on the table, that is why thomas mustn't be allowed to take the absolute pis5 out of what he thinks is a little football club from some back water town whose strange support base go giddy in his presence, falling at his feet asking for selfies and autographs, and for that reason I dont blame thomas for thinking 'what the fcuk' when first encountering such crazy behaviour.. Why shouldnt he take the pis5 here?
No 3rd option needed, just all stop being so easily besotted with the likes of cardoza/thomas and demand an 11000 capacity stadium and a finshed east stand.. If thomas cant deliver, there's 4 trains an hour from castle station, he needs to get on one..
And now to answer your last part, Yes Im just a mere supporter but have started to contact councillors that are getting dangerously close to CDNL that may not fully know the complexities facing our clubs immediate and long term future and the consequences should the current awful deal befall Northampton's football club. They are being asked what they have been told is is in our best interests and by whom, and no doubt it will be 5hit awful deal cdnl are trying to mug us all off with..You can rest assured they will enlightened by email that will be made public.

The last part where you mock a supporter of Northampton town wanting to right by his club...I can confidently say you will very soon get a place to put your signature with other Cobblers fans wanting a lot more from the £20,000,000 sploshing around that can easily give Sixfields the capacity increase needed and the East stand finished.. Will you be signing it? You can even do it anon so your employees are unaware!

Hindsight was mentioned on another thread.

I wonder if KT wishes they’d finished the stand straight away, or rues the day they chose NTFC.
If they’d done the former then this deal would have been done and dusted a long time ago.

The investment, time, hassle factor and grief it has caused can’t be worth the payback (if any) at the end. Then again who would buy a football club?!

He paid a £1 for it and wasnt forced into doing so.

random, who do you want to acquire the land? Cilldara or KT? As far as I am aware they are currently the only horses so its a binary choice.

Strange question, which when looked at in the light of day reads as follows, 'Do you want a guaranteed 5hit deal of losing all the land, car park and running track in return for just 10 boxes fitted into a tiny rusting stand without giving the desperately needed 3000 extra capacity which our non league ground needs in order for us to build up its income, support base and league position?

Only at Northampton town would such an offer be even contemplated..

So that only leaves us looking elsewhere for a deal that guarantees a finished East stand to an acceptable standard and the urgently required 3000 capacity ground increase*.. (*please note, do not fall for the Cardoza/Thomas line that this can be done as and when needed. as that time was 20 years ago and as and when will never come!!)

Can either CDNL or Cilldara be forced to provide what we require? If the answer is no, then demand of the council to look out for the interests and future well being of Northampton's football club and not enter into agreement with either of these and find ones more suitable.

It's worth noting it's better to have nothing than the rubbish deal cdnl have offered. That East stand fit out could have easily been self funded by selling the boxes on long term debentures or similar 3 times over and still can, so we do not have to destroy our clubs future enabling due to desperation and panic brought on by outsider speculators getting desperate for their long awaited and undeserved windfall.

Let us demand of the council to oversee a fair deal for Northampton and its football club..

Beds
Genuine question, what do you think is NTFC (and I mean the club, fans, town, etc) entitlement to the development land. If possible I would like to talk in acreage as that is a know number and the value of the land varies depending on opinions. Could also suggest a % as that could apply to acreage or value. And if possible how you have arrived at that number based on the clubs history.
Much obliged.

Firstly, your last question is what I would expect from the likes of cardoza and Thomas..Basically saying, 'your Football club has always been 5hit so must remain so forever' which both you and I know is nonsense as the 2 forementioned have been instrumental in our clubs failure of the past 2 decades,  a time when football has gone through a golden period,  that has been denied ntfc by these greedy speculators.

Secondly turn the question on its head 'how many blades of grass would Thomas be entitled to if it were not for his association with our club?
Not a single one is the answer.
How much should the Football club of Northampton be due from the sale of the running track part of its own stadium and the wider surrounding land? A damned sight more than greedy cdnl are due..
All we have to do is dig in and as a town united,  collectively demanding an 11000 capacity Sixfields with a finished East stand, and guess what happens, Yes that's right, we get what we want.

I think the tide is turning in the favour of ntfc..
Our club will not be mugged off by Thomas/cdnl.

I really dont know why I keep bothering.
I have no involvement with the club, the owners, sponsors, KT's dog walker etc. Just a simple punter.

I wish for a STRENGTHENED Trust, one that can actually have dialogue with the owners and get the FANS positions across. When neither party are talking to each other, and I hold both sides responsible for that, what purpose do they provide?

If the owners leave and we can find someone to do everything (ish) you talk about then great. I want the club to move forward and progress, if it isnt KT then I dont care. But the person / people you fantasise about are few and far between, I'm sure there must be some but I cant think of anyone since Jack Walker or Max Griggs, anywhere!

Edit: Out of interest I did a quick search and looks like Brentford, Brighton and Stoke are all owned by local fans and business men so happy to correct myself (may well be others but the ever reliable Wiki still had Cardozas as owners of NTFC). Although Stokes owner is a Labour party donor so he may not be welcomed by some 

I know  exactly why you bother because I've exposed the ideal outcome that cdnl are hoping for. Also by me pointing out what befalls NTFC and its future inability to grow its product and support base, further destroying our chances to ever escape division four should cdnl's current greedy tactics come to fruition.
Which strangely would in the aftermath of a CDNL/THOMAS/WNC land victory over the Cobblers would probably require us to seek vast investment in the absence of the wasted land opportunities lost to Northampton and its football club.
At no time have I asked for  sugar daddy owners as its best to build up a club gradually by involving the town and support base allowing all to feel part of  and get involved with the clubs growth..
So if we fight for NTFCs share, demand those councillors that are getting dangerously close to cdnl, re evaluate what they wrongly think NTFC need  to move it forward which is a lot more than 10 boxes in a little rusting stand from the £20m worth of land up for grabs at Sixfields, NTFC with its fair share, would have a bright future.
As for dialogue with those that for 8 years allowed our club to stagnate,  playing Down the Cobblers urgent need for infrastructure growth while  using every trick in the book using NTFC to aquire land riches for themselves  will be very hard to enter into any sort of dialogue?
I agree we need a strong trust, one that can rally the town to demand a fair share of redevelopment from the Sixfields land, one that  force the council to rethink and evaluate what it is ntfc need.
A strong trust that won't  go all knee jerk into accepting 10 poxy boxes in a tiny rusting stand but insusts on a minimum amount redevelopment that sees the capacity raised to 11000 and a finished East stand.
But what in CDNL dig in and deny the cobblers any growth from the land? Simple answer, remove the opportunity from them also in a stalemate allowing A more deserving  A. N Other the chance to build up the Cobblers fortunes.
I can see after 8 years of deliberate stagnation, cdnl are hoping for desperation taking hold allowing them to get away with giving ntfc the very minimum amount,  but as you say  with a strong trust we can desist bending over the cdnl barrel.

Did you seriously accuse me of exaggerating. Wow 

Well Tro... Beds. I would like the JD to be finalised and the initial decision ratified and the land sold to the club.

I would then like the owners to complete the due diligence on the land to finalise what is best for the development land (i.e sell it, build and sell warehouses, build and lease warehouses). Although admit I would have expected this to be completed already. That will generate an amount no where near £20m but one I do not know. I would then expect a contractor to be appointed to start on the development land and the EAST stand at the same time.

The owners will also repay themselves, fund the east stand and the rest to go into the clubs coffers. They will then either sell the club to someone who can take us forward and develop the south as you suggest or other areas to improve.
Or they can look at other areas of the club themselves and develop them withouth lease issues etc hanging over them.

I would also like to see the Trust get back to a position where they can hold the club to account in a proper way. Things sound promising in that regard.

(NTFC and/or club are not CDNL / Thomas, he hasnt done anything yet, you are a club plant, I have some sort of inappropriate relationship with Thomas, something to do with Florida or Dubai, I dont live in Tuscon so not sure what you can do there, we'll be hemmed in, the land is worth £30m i assume by now, it will only cost £200 and a packet of hobnobs not the amount people are saying) I think I have written all your possible replies so you can save time and have some lunch.

Thanks for the reply, it is truly eye opening and transparent, very much as i would expect from the owners official line, containing plenty of grey areas, plenty of promises, lots of false hope, masses of wriggle room and get out clauses,  nothing at all guaranteed, everything loaded in the owners favour and nothing for the town and Football club of Northampton.
You also wish for a weakened trust by saying it should be one that holds the club to account IN A PROPER WAY..Which is CDNL speak for keeping their noses out until the already buttered up and weak council grants the windfall allowing them to trouser as much as they can get away with and get gone..
Also to stop any misunderstanding resulting in future disappointment, they wont as you say look to do any other redevelopment but will definitely sell the club once it hasnt got any future enabling land left.
And yes the only redevelopment to increase the capacity we'll see is when new owners take over from the time wasters cdnl. We just need to hope we can fight to avoid a doomsday scenario where the new owners are left with nothing to work with at a tiny hemmed in ground on the edge of a mass of warehousing..
which sadly is probably the most likely outcome with our daft weak council.

Been off for a while and we are up to £20m now are we. Give it a few more months and we'll be competing against Newcastle in the summer transfer window.

You've just reminded me of the early thomas usage of exaggeration and under playing the urgent needs of our club to blow smoke up all our ar5es.
It succeeded with many but not all.
As You've asked, my hopes are in a few months is work planned on a finished East stand and simultaneous redevelopment of the south stand extension..
Thomas can't deliver you say, no probs, just show him the door and get others in who can make the £20m worth of land benefit our club the way it should.

Our club must never be mugged off again..
If its the want of Northampton and its clubs supporters,  it happens rapidly.
Tell me Gar....Stan, what do YOU want to see happening?

This post not so good.

Maybe Gareth becoming a member and interacting directly wasn't the massive danger you guys were making it out to be!  Maybe it's useful to ask the questions to the people that can answer them?

Here's the problem you have.  There is nothing the club or it's owners can say that will satisfy you.  Your immediate reaction is to disbelieve.  I know you have your reasons for that but if that's your default setting there is literally no point in them speaking to you about anything.

The other thing is if they commited to a single outcome like say warehouse rental and a year or two later market conditions changed you would nail them to the wall for changing direction.  Look at the way you have picked apart every word they said during the Open Forum.

The biggest irony of course is you use the same tactics yourself when anyone asks you any tricky questions.

The club is NTFC 1897, the owners cdnl/Thomas 2016, massive difference...
As for Gareth,  he could identify and help steer us away from the danger of greedy land grabbing owners ,  as he has worked with some them for 20 years..

Great post. I think you're right on the money, the Trust doesn't have to be just a thorn in the side of the club, it can ask difficult questions (In a sensible and non-combative way) but still positively effect our fanbase and community.

The club is NTFC formed 1897..
The thorn you refer to absolutely needs to be deep in the side of cdnl / thomas 2016.

Stop making out CDNL are the football club of Northampton, they are far from it.