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1  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Nobbled By The Notts 22nd Sept on: Yesterday at 11:35:45
1.Why false hopes? Are you suggesting it can't happen?
2.We are desperate.
3.Training them hard so we can suffer more hamstring issues?
4.In life some get it all laid out on a plate, others work extremely hard damaging their mind and/or body for a pittance and no thanks at all. This is what I have found.

Most on here seem to be pointing the finger at the players so play some different ones. The manager has to send out a message and we should be giving some youth a chance as he suggested he would do when he took over. Progressive move and something different. The same ingredients mixed and cooked in the same way will give you the same outcome.

Agree, 1 or 2 cannot be worse than the seniors.
2  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Recruitment, A Job Well Done? on: Yesterday at 11:34:39
Recruitment and scouting not been good enough and we have Posh and MK to remind us.
3  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Time to stand up on: Yesterday at 11:33:40
It was a long old slog for Lincoln in the Conference tho. Wouldn't wish what happened to Hereford with Agombar on anyone. I love non league football but our league status needs to be protected at all costs imo. Well most costs!

4  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: Yesterday at 11:10:12
We remain a good project for someone minted who fancies a hobby. Just need to hire competent staff for it to tick over.

Still, ruins are cheaper to buy so you'll see more interest if we go to the wall. But I guess league status has some value.

I agree Shane that the consortium route or fan ownership seem sensible but both are yet to show their hands. Losses will be a stumbling block.

There are various reasons why people acquire clubs, an investment is just one you'll have to use your imagination for the rest.

5  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: Yesterday at 08:03:20
If there was a takeover would you want a partnership a la 5 U Sports and KT as chairman or a new broom?
6  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Time to stand up on: September 16, 2018, 09:36:30 am
Wonder if there are Conference release clauses.
7  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Time to stand up on: September 16, 2018, 09:16:17 am
Might not be as a bad thing in the long run as fans are waking up to the need for a proper vision for the club. Can't keep bumbling on from one owner to the next. The club needs to be built from the ground up as other progressive clubs are. 'It'l do' can't be acceptable anymore.
8  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Dean Austin on: September 06, 2018, 14:49:02 pm
The issue is the manager gets it in the neck every time his players don't perform. He probably works his nuts off preparing for every game. Players hold all the cards and apart from a bit of moaning get off scott free. Crazy really.
9  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Wycombe Wanderers (H) Checkatrade 4/9 on: September 04, 2018, 08:16:27 am
Heartwarming that the B-team boycott is one of the few things that most fans have stuck together on.

The great Half Man Half Biscuit said it best.
10  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Disappearing Punters? on: September 04, 2018, 08:13:05 am
A terrace/safe standing area and under £20 a ticket wouldn't go amiss.  £24 is prohibitively expensive.

Not sure if the club has employees dedicated to growing the custom base but that might prove fruitful given the expansion of the town.

Remember under Cardoza Stagecoach buses did a £1 day rider ticket to the ground which is a good idea. Ideally you'd offer a couple of shuttle buses to and from the town centre.

The matchday experience is actually pretty good now and the club has put work in on that. Just need to get new punters in and retain them.

11  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: September 03, 2018, 13:20:45 pm
Project Manager and Quantity Surveyor with sports stadia experience.  Stands constructed with boxes, hotels rooms, gymnasium, corporate areas etc etc.

Life long cobblers fan and season ticket holder.

Know the architect well from the original Sixfields development.

Kept away from this development by the previous Chairman.  With all the issues that have been in the press recently I know why !

Interesting. Who was the original architect?
12  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Disappearing Punters? on: September 03, 2018, 07:21:13 am
You can add to this..
4/Price (£24) of watching 4th division football against many traditional small non league teams, doesn't make us an attractive option.
5/ The quality and professional outlook of the stadium, being non league looking does little to attract new and lapsed supporters which affects the big match atmosphere that attract fans, also lacking a large welcoming supporters bar selling food and beverages etc is something needed for cold tuesday night's.
6/ Lack of direction from the clubs owners these past 3 years, we have no future plans in which our support base can engage and get involved with,
thus giving fans an excuse not to turn up, if they dont give a **** why should l..
Basically as we have been these last 50 years😂

What would you do to get attendances up? Bit of a difficult one with the economy as it is.
13  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: August 29, 2018, 11:50:25 am
Franklin gardens is one of the best sporting venues in it the country and has so much history that any iseas of the saints moving would have blood spilled in st james🤣
Sixfields is in an excellent location thst could also be just as an  attractive visit as the gardens with just a little bit thought and willingness from the clubs (new) owners working with the fan base.
2 banks of 3000 terracing built up behind both little  stands north and south and and the east stand fitted out to its possible best.. Job done, championship ready.

Completely understand the Saints fans attachment to the gardens but they have justed posted quite hefty losses. Rugby doesnt benefit from the kind of TV deal that Football does so matchday revenue and commercial revenue is pretty important. Matches at MK and Twickenham show this.

I'm sure if a centrepiece stadium could be built at Sixfields that would blow all the other clubs out of the water then their fans would consider it. They want trophies.
14  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: August 29, 2018, 08:10:56 am
Still think the deal should involve the Saints. They get Sixfields and the athletics track for a landmark stadium + some enabling development around, Buckingham get the contract to build that. We get Franklins Gardens with possibly a bit more to pay them. That would be the deal that ticks a lot of boxes. That sort of land with good transport link for their hefty fanbase is at a premium in the Town.

Or Saints sell Franklins Gardens and build a back to back stadium at Sixfields and together create a landmark sporting complex that would provide a positive legacy to the whole mess. Saints presence would multiply the value of any enabling monies on wider land. We get a better stadium out of it. If Kelvin could pull off either of those two then fair play to him.
15  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: August 28, 2018, 08:34:10 am
Just a couple of questions. One of them I have been waiting for an answer to for months... where did KT say he had four million pounds ring fenced? I can clearly recall him stating that as a ball park figure for the East stand when asked about projected costs. But can’t recall any public meeting, newspaper article, or any other source of this widely touted statement “we have four million pounds ring fenced”. That’s the question I have asked you, Randon and Manwork to address for some months now. Please let me know where it is. Then I will ask him in person about why he has not acted on it.

Whilst you’re at it, you could perhaps point me in the direction to where KT stated, as you say, he has no long term interest in the club.


Not sure he said he had £4million ring-fenced to finish the stand exclusively. The interesting interview was with the BBC after the takeover.
He said "We think we're going to spend £4 million pounds in investing in the future, by finishing the stand by the working capital etc" (3.36 in)

He also said regarding being the 'only bid in the room to take over the club'

"No absolutely not, the reality is if you'd told a lot of people the deal that we ended up with, there would have been 50 people in the room"  (2 mins in)

Cardoza claimed in court the club was traded for a pound.

So it seems reasonable that some fans, with a vacuum of other information, want Thomas and Bower to honour this.

16  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: August 27, 2018, 08:39:02 am
Surely as you say later this is an area the trust need to step up to the task with collaboration with KT - it's not full fan ownership (which frankly I feel is unlikely) but it's a measure of what could be done by a fan's collective - so here's my challenge to Bed's and Random, join or rejoin the trust in an active capacity. Prepare an actual draft business plan, set a simple legal framework for funding - meet KT with a viable business plan with names individuals who will practically and financially support the venture.

Some fair points there. The Trust are capable of doing so without Beds and Random having to drive it but it seems their energy would be useful. Interesting idea though about the fans joining a partnership along with KT and Bower.

Bit of a weird time, the team is doing ok on the pitch, the club seems fairly stable albeit having to cut costs after the failed 5USports involvement and relegation. Just feels a bit 'temporary' though. Concerned over a sudden sale announcement like what happened with 5USports and then whose hands he club falls into. As I said before, Thomas' and Bower's next moves will define their legacy.
17  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: August 27, 2018, 07:23:52 am
Council have been very clear in the order of things 1. Leases. 2 Finish the stand 3. Talk about further development.

There will be no enabling deal that Cardoza managed to wangle on the wider land in order to complete the East.

So in theory we are back to the £4million and how Bower will finance the East Stand. Seems v little in it for him in chucking private money at it (unless there is a payoff down the line on wider land but that doesn't seem to be in the case). Maybe they could secure a straight loan?

The owners could perhaps unload the whole project off to someone with serious money but we have never been able to attract those sort of fish (see 5USPORTS).

It would need serious money to get us to the promised land of the Championship, so if Bower was to sell it would ideally need to be either a party with significant funds or a local party with genuine care for the club who will run it sustainably and for the community. I.E not some chancers.

In the meantime that leaves us where we have been for donkey's years, as a league 2 club. I've no doubt that if the East Stand redevelopment was done with the requisite care (a few boxes, a proper suppporters' bar) it could have been completed years ago via a mixture of mini-bond fan funding, private donations, sponsorship and grants. (see Stevenage). At Accrington their chairman is personally overseeing every detail of their new stand (on site every day) it will be completed without fuss.

Outsiders have managed to make a simple construction job at Sixfields into a complete palaver.

We have some interesting months ahead of us. IMO the Trust need to be making a play for ownership of the club, ideally in a split deal with local money. Otherwise there is the fear of the club being sold to a party far worse than Bower and Thomas (who have done a pretty good job of dragging us into the 21st century in a commercial sense). If bids are coming in for the club then Thomas should have a fan-ownership bid to consider with all the rest at least.

18  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: August 25, 2018, 11:09:33 am
Small update from an interview with NBC's Jonathan Nunn.

We have "active dialogue" with NTFC. Chief exec George Candler met with chairman Kelvin Thomas last week.

Three next stages: Leases, build the stand and then think about future development.

"Discussion are going well," says Jonathan Nunn, but can't talk about dates.

19  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: August 03, 2018, 20:00:38 pm
Exactly.... There two in league one. By some miracle they might progress. But it won't be through substantial investment. And one of those is averaging 10k per home game more than us. Hardly a glowing endorsement for it, is it?  Grin

I was referring to Wycombe and Wimbledon. Wimbledon's average gate is 4k.

But the crux of the matter is that Championship football will take a multi million outlay. Even Macanthony at Posh failed at getting it.
20  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: August 03, 2018, 15:29:26 pm
You honestly believe that. "A holding option". We are in a holding option according to you and beds and a few others already. You state that you are unhappy with stagnating, yet advocate the very definition of it.

If you let supporters run our club, that's it. It becomes a hobby. There is no way it will progress and certainly no way they will let it out of their hands. Of course you'll get all the best intentions in the world. But I would argue that for different reasons when all new owners come in.

There is not one single person on here that doesn't want the club to progress. Yes there's a few who believe they have the monopoly in that particular area. But overall we all want the same thing. But we are a matter of weeks a away from the club being either a viable alternative, or for KT to just get on with it. I don't give a flying fcuk about what come before that. That is of very little use to KT or us. It's just the same empty cans rattling away.

I am more than happy to hear about any fan owned clubs in this country that are progressing at a recognisable rate.

Even more important, we are a couple of wins away from burying the whingers in their own misery. I'm not happy about looking across the pitch at CARDOZAS mess. But to be honest, it didn't seem such an issue when we were romping the league. But last season it looked huge  Grin

Fan owned clubs are highly professional operations. It's not just a hobby. There are 2 in League 1.

That said I'm in no rush to get rid of the current owners, I've just said that if the club is sold then part or whole fan ownership should be an option.

I don't really believe in the near mythical patriarchal football man owner with tens of millions to take us to the next level like some do.

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