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1  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: March 04, 2019, 17:27:51 pm
My overriding view, as somebody who has nothing to do with the Trust, is that some people have put in a great amount of personal time to get this put on.
Therefore I hope Cobblers supporters, from the Town AND beyond, put a note in their diary and make the small effort to turn up to listen to what is on offer and give a wide range of views and suggestions to the future we ALL want!

Well said.
2  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: March 04, 2019, 17:27:13 pm
NBC include athletics track area in the Trust's application for Asset Of Community Value along with the stadium.

https://twitter.com/NQNTFC/status/1102506808566927363
3  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Players out on loan on: February 28, 2019, 14:16:40 pm
and is this a successful model?

they dont seem to be any better off than us?


Noone said it's something to follow zealously. Nick the best bits? Absolutely.
4  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Players out on loan on: February 28, 2019, 12:27:32 pm
so is the answer 1?

in 7 years



There's about 20 clubs with Category 2. Crewe are just an interesting example in our league. £4million is not to be sniffed at but it's not just about developing players to sell it's about developing players to play for your football club. Players that give a toss. Worth a look.
5  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Players out on loan on: February 28, 2019, 09:46:37 am
Some good points, unfortunately until we are in aposition where the club is looking to the long term and not just survival then we will always be in that position. What I would like to see is something along the lines of the Exeter set up where the Youth and first team train together and everyone at the club has the same goal in mind, not just short term success but a long term model for the club going forward. We need owners and a management team that can see progression right through from a young age to established first team players here and not somewhere else. This is why I think the trust looking at various models of ownership is a good thing as we can look at a long term vision for the club. I would love to see a management team come in and be here for a lot of years, similar to what Dario Grady did at Crewe but to do that we need everyone on board and not just worried about 1 season of success.


Yep agreed and fwiw Crewe operate Category 2 academy on one of the lowest budgets and that is something to look at too. They realise that it is a worthwhile investment because they consistently grow players rather than scrabbling around every year for them like we do.
6  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Players out on loan on: February 28, 2019, 08:26:20 am
Curle has said he will not hand out first team opportunities to the club's star youth team for the "sake of it" should we retain our league status. It wouldn't be for the sake of it, however, because he would be giving opportunities to assets of the football club. Ones that could potentially be at the football club a lot longer than he will given the shelf life of managers. Ones that are very good value in terms of wages.

What he's missing is that scouts from higher leagues may see things in our youth players that he doesn't and he is effectively keeping them out of the shop window.

Instead he talks about his favoured senior players and "potential watching suitors", whether this means selling players who have flattered to deceive this term for a profit or simply shifting them off the payroll is hard to determine but any interested parties will have had 3 quarters of season to frame any interest.

Down at Exeter the youth team are mixed with first the first team in training and they have made massive profits on young players that may easily have not seen the light of day elsewhere. Is there something in the water in Devon which makes their kids better than ours? No they are just coached and managed better in becoming successful senior pros.

The serious injury to Sean Whaler may show the potential downside to sending players down into the depths of non-league, there were some very naughty tackles in that Banbury game with the club complaining about the leniency of the refereeing.

Regarding Joe he has one very important thing in his favour and that is being a goal-scorer, notch a couple in League 2 even tap in and your value increased almost with each goal. You can say no-one from higher up came in for him (probably with no facts to back it up) but in reality why would someone from the Conference North come in for a player that has not been given the benefit of minutes at League 2 level?

Again it boils down to the problematic setup of a manager with a potentially short shelf life trying to impose his way of doing things onto a football club. It's like us ordering a 5 course meal in a restaurant we may have to leave in 10 minutes.



 



 
7  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: February 26, 2019, 09:03:32 am
Leicester get planning permission for £80million training ground. Gulp.

http://trainingground.guru/articles/leicester-get-planning-permission-for-80m-training-centre




8  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Are they coming back?? on: February 26, 2019, 07:35:29 am
That's the Ricoh out of the frame then! 😂
Can't see Coventry RFC being a legitimate option in all seriousness. Location ideal, but only one stand holding around 2,500 tops I'd guess. Another 1500 around the perimeter.
Bedworth Utd also under capacity, marginally over the 6 mile radius...but 3G pitch...though there is a station at least!

What a sorry mess. Highfield Road wasn't a bad ground either.
9  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Are they coming back?? on: February 25, 2019, 11:03:47 am
I agree on this, if their fans don't want it then we should not have them back here, sod what SISU want this should be about what the Cov fans want.

Exactly, they are effectively engaged in a battle to the end now with SISU a bit like Blackpool fans and the Oystons. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. They were protesting at Luton on Sunday.
10  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Smashing the Stevenage 23rd Feb A on: February 25, 2019, 10:38:28 am
I think it's likely that Williams has had a moan and Curle has benched him as punishment.

Let's hope that Williams moaning is seen as constructive and about desire and similarly that Curlio feels he's "learned his lesson" and plays him from the start.

Given the main role as Lead stiker / target man / whatever, I think Williams could be a 1 in 2 man

Williams is a good all rounder but he's 33 in August.

You could say that Curle benching him has worked, look it his reaction. Buy anyway he's nearly 33, his impact is time limited and can understand Curle looking elsewhere, particularly if he's looking to bring the age of the squad down.

11  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Are they coming back?? on: February 25, 2019, 10:33:27 am
Definitely would welcome them back [if possible]. They were generous to us at the FA Cup game which is another reason to help them. It would also generate a bit of extra revenue for us. The best scenario for them though, is to get rid of their malicious owners and let someone take over, who will do a deal with Wasps.

What if their fans are actively against coming to Northampton and would protest against it at our place? Do you think they are going to respond to being made homeless well? They are going to go ape.
12  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Are they coming back?? on: February 23, 2019, 09:34:09 am
This has absolutely fķck all to do with the groundshare, we have failed since the dawn of time to attract big sponsors/investors. We could not even hold on to support from Carlesberg.

You'll find that large companies such as carlsberg take great care of their brand image and who they associate with. A club that has lost upwards of £11.5 million pounds, dealt with SISU and brought Coventry problems to our doorstep *might* not be conducive to that.

Coventry fans are already planning protests should they leave Coventry or become homeless. Why the hell would NTFC want to get involved with that?

Btw seems a moot point if the EFL thing is true.
13  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: February 23, 2019, 07:51:28 am
Regarding the East Stand, in any other situation you'd have a rounded analysis that, alongside finishing the structure, included:

1. Boxing it off, making safe and sitting on the land values for a time of uplift.
2. Demolition or part demolition and rebuild

There appears to have been no public discussion of those 2 options. The increase in capacity since Cardoza wrecked what was a good little stand is c200 seats. Cardoza's plans were never of great value to the football club so it makes sense to be cautious about a panic to finish the job.

The East Stand was designed with a simple, modular build and for it to go back another tier to mirror the West Stand in capacity.

Some questions remain.

What is now stopping the club from dealing with the East Stand situation? They have indicated they have funds. Are the club's stadium plans completely separate from or contingent to monies from other development?

Has the memorandum of understanding been kept to with the Council and are the Council still in a position to develop the wider land themselves to claw back the missing millions?

What, if any, claims do Buckinghams still have over the project?

Will any works to the stadium be sufficiently future-proofed in terms of facilities and capacity to make them worthwhile?

Again, if there was a stronger local press there could be healthier discussion. Thomas now mainly provides snippets of updates via in-house videos.
14  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Supporters Advisory Panel - Thursday 21st Feb 7.30pm on: February 22, 2019, 18:52:20 pm
As Iíve said before the club has become an apathetic wasteland.
People including myself are no longer bothered
Years upon years of broken promises and worse have made the cobblers a long standing farce in the county in general.
Year upon year this situation is just reinforcing itself to the households of Northamptonshire.

A massive catchment area but most people in the county see the local football team as a blight and an embarrassment
Go into pubs in any of the county towns and ask who is going to the cobblers at the weekend
Most communities outside of the town itself are actually ashamed of the club.
A sad but true fact
These northamptonians would rather watch premier teams on sky than ever step foot in sixfields as it is perceived as a Mickey Mouse tinpot outfit that stumbles from one crisis to the next and has never been owned by anyone with the finances to be an attractive/decent proposition for people to spend their leisure pound.

Sad but true.
Thought Iíd just put it out there....

I agree with a lot of this but things can change. Don't give up hope. There is a whole new generation coming through and new people moving to the county all the time. Hunkering down and keeping things as they are won't change anything though.
15  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 22, 2019, 18:49:08 pm
Did chuckle at a club with a holding company c80% owned by a British Virgin Islands entity asking the trust for transparency.  Grin
16  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 22, 2019, 18:45:34 pm
It appears that with the leases sorted that the original footprint is now back in the clubs control separate from CDNL land.
 Iím not sure if NBC can hold out on any planning applications on the basis of finishing the East Stand. I hope they can but have my reservations.

 Whether or not the vision is for the clubs land to be used for funding development or CDNL realised development profit is hard to fathom at this point.

Time will tell but as Iím 45 I may not still be around to see itís fruition!

 



 
17  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: February 22, 2019, 18:39:19 pm
Apologies for the length of this post regarding the latest club mention of the redevelopment situation which came in their report from last night's fans consultancy evening.

Phil Garlick tweeted a summary of the meeting and this regarding the redevelopment. "East Stand lease issues are resolved. Agreement with council required for CDNL land (beyond athletics track) Athletics track will then be available for future ntfc development"

https://twitter.com/PGNTFC/status/1098865177448058880

Now let's go back to the Thomas/Bower takeover where Thomas stated to the BBC the he and the new owners thought they were "going to spend £4million to complete the East Stand and on working capital". In the same interview Thomas talks about his partner David Bower who was "coming to the end of his development cycle and even then probably not on the large scale that was ever going to be required if we were to entertain the large scale retail and commercial development on the other side of the East Stand".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/34938496

The Borough Council at the time made it clear that "to repay the debt, the council alone will move forward alone with the development of land around Sixfields". In the same story the Council mentioned a Memorandum Of Understanding it had signed with the club to that effect.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11739/10077594/northampton-town-takeover-moves-closer

The Council then responded to Thomas and Bower intent to sell the club in May of last year by stating

"Progress on the East Stand has been very much within the gift of the football club, and since taking control of the development company CDNL in 2017, the chairman has been in a position to control further adjacent land...

The chairman subsequently proposed inclusion of further land, which was not part of the original draft documentation...

However, the council has an obligation to ensure that any wider use of publicly owned land surrounding the stadium must be in the best interests of the taxpayers of Northampton, particularly proposed retail development outside of the town centre, and must go through proper due diligence to ensure the best value is obtained for the public purse."

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/breaking-news-borough-council-hits-back-at-criticism-from-northampton-town-chairman-1-8509308

The club have admitted that they have plans for land at sixfields outside the stadium footprint although no details have been as yet released. One would assume given the above that the Council alone would be responsible for the development of land outside the stadium and running track area or in absence of that to profit from it. One would assume that Thomas and Bower wouldn't entertain any development of wider CDNL land, especially large scale retail or commercial development.

Fwiw Thomas owns c10% of NTFC Ventures and c50% of CDNL.

Obviously the lack of detail is concerning given the club's history. Ive spoken to a couple of fans who are happy to trust Thomas and Bower to deliver something good for both the council and the club and fair play to them, it wouldn't surprise me if Thomas pulls something out of the bag but that is all it amounts to, trust.

Fair enough place your trust in someone but let's ask questions, let's be vigilant and bring our heads out of the stand. There's already a lot of talk about "finishing the stand". Cardoza wrecking the East Stand resulted in a capacity increase of c200 seats. Whether completing that structure is of benefit to the football club in the short-term let alone the medium is open to debate. That opens up a question of the future proofing of any work and the use of what will be once in a lifetime land. That again takes us back to whether Thomas and Bower ever really "saved" the club and who else was/would have been interested. As Thomas said, "If you told a lot of people the deal we ended up with there would have been 50 people in the room"

Apathy is dangerous. Believe there were fewer than 20 people in the club meeting on Thursday night.
18  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Are they coming back?? on: February 22, 2019, 18:19:06 pm
Do you have proof that big companies refuse to deal with NTFC, or have you just invented that ??

OK a bit clumsily worded, the club have struggled to attract significant, transformational investment from the large, multinational companies in the region. That's better.
19  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Are they coming back?? on: February 22, 2019, 17:04:40 pm
I'd suggest that the short term financial gain would be outstripped by the reputation damage of dealing with SISU. Not to mention the trouble Coventry fans could cause if they turn even further against SISU. And we wonder why the bigger companies won't deal with NTFC. Not worth it.
20  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Are they coming back?? on: February 22, 2019, 15:27:16 pm
Why would you want to align yourself, your reputation and your brand with someone else's nightmare?
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