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1  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: EFL Trophy (Checkatrade) on: Today at 13:36:41
The club have voted to continue with the competition in its current format. The EFL have suggested it will carry on for another 3 years despite gates being down.
2  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Arsenal U18's on: December 14, 2018, 10:16:38 am
Pollock, Williams, Roberts and C McWilliams should be around the 1st team. Ditch the journeyman.
3  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: December 14, 2018, 07:56:32 am
I’m glad this is done finally. So well done for persistence with the applications.
With regards to the paragraph highlighted it is not easy to fully understand what this all means for the football club vs the CDNL element.

In the DC times the land had gotten to the point of full plans for housing and much of the needed surveys being submitted to NBC planning as they were/are visible on the planning pages.
Curious to know what agreement other than planning permission would be needed?

The merged council will be a bumpy ride but functional departments such as planning should carry on business as usual.

Not sure planning would pass for housing again on contaminated land or a developer would front the remediation costs.

Also the small matter of the Council wanting to recoup its £10.35 million ++ and getting a good deal for itself and the taxpayer.
4  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Arsenal U18's on: December 13, 2018, 23:20:46 pm
We gave them a scare on quite a few occasions. They played the Arsenal way in keeping the ball but their 1st goal was from a cheap mistake and the second a fluke. Nowhere near the gulf in class as was expecting.
5  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: December 13, 2018, 22:53:52 pm
Asset of Community Value status granted on Sixfields stadium but not the athletic track.

Interesting line here from the Trust...

The Trust understand that building work on the (East) stand will only take place pending agreement on the development of other land around the stadium and with Northampton Borough Council set to be scrapped in 2020 in favour of a new unitary authority our concern is that wider planning considerations will now be shelved and that the re-development of the stand  will not take place for at least another couple of years.

Full statement here:
6  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Questions to NBC & NTFC over Sixfields redevelopment on: December 11, 2018, 08:32:48 am
Have I left it too late to get question over?, I would've ask,

Who is making the decisions on what will be actually 'finished ' built or planned as being the very best options
In regards to them being the most future proof, profitable and enabling the clubs growth. Also what will be the real cost as opposed to the highly inflated figures usually bandied about by our clubs owners past and present, of any alterations or new built infrastructure for our club?
Will it be a supporters choice as to what we as end users get from any benefits from surrendered former council land or designs forced upon the club supporters by tbose whose interests are better served by serving up a token gesture?
Question to both parties.
(David Cadden)

No not too late. Noted. Cheers.
7  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Questions to NBC & NTFC over Sixfields redevelopment on: December 10, 2018, 21:12:17 pm
I wasn’t having a pop with my post Mac by the way. Just trying to make a point that it is routine to sleaze around or evade questions and say something that is vaguely acceptable in cases like this.  Whilst their are ongoing discussions regarding the sale of the club, even if they are minor half serious discussions, the “confidentiality “ card can be played around the East Stand. This could go on for years. I have a question for you though. What are you actually trying to achieve from this? If it’s answers I suspect that you already accept this is futile? So is it to demonstrate that KT is evading the truth and try and build pressure on the owners to act? Or is the agenda to instigate some momentum to begin the process of driving the owners out altogether or what? Seriously where are you going with this?

Just some very basic questions on the matter no more no less. If you don't wish to offer one that's fine.

Deadline tonight, some interesting questions forwarded so far.
8  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Questions to NBC & NTFC over Sixfields redevelopment on: December 10, 2018, 13:21:38 pm
When you say delivered do you mean email, post etc or an actual interview. I am one of the people who doesnt have a significant issue with KT but do agree with most on here that he often replies to these questions with soundbites or one liners. I would hope that the person asking would then probe any replies as we rarely get times frames and just statements like 'its progressing' with no indication if things are imminent or 6 months away.

Still sorting the format. There will be follow ups don't worry.

Non-answers will just bring more scrutiny to the subject and from wider afield.
9  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Questions to NBC & NTFC over Sixfields redevelopment on: December 09, 2018, 15:09:06 pm
Will the questions and answers be published on here?cheers

10  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Questions to NBC & NTFC over Sixfields redevelopment on: December 09, 2018, 09:48:25 am
Quick reminder to get your questions in to Northampton Borough Council and Northampton Town FC on the Sixfields redevelopment. We will also be taking questions on the ownership situation at the club. No names will be shared with any of the parties or published but we ask you to include your name via instant message on this site. Any reasonable questions in the public interest considered.

A lot of discussion on the redevelopment, now is your chance to get your questions answered. Questions by Monday evening please.

Questions below or via instant message or Twitter @nqntfc @thenenequirer

11  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Questions to NBC & NTFC over Sixfields redevelopment on: December 07, 2018, 21:28:19 pm
ICYMI include all your questions To NBC or NTFC on the redevelopment of Sixfields here or via instant message or via @nqntfc or @nenequirer on twitter. Some good questions so far.
12  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Questions to NBC & NTFC over Sixfields redevelopment on: December 07, 2018, 17:31:07 pm
It has been over 3 years since the Kelvin Thomas/David Bower takeover of Northampton Town FC.

In the spirit of transparency, as advocated by the late Brian Lomax of the NTFC Supporters' Trust, questions are invited of both Northampton Town FC and Northampton Borough Council over the protracted redevelopment of the Sixfields Stadium aka the PTS Academy Stadium and surrounding land.

The questions will be delivered to NTFC and NBC by Steve Scoles, Editor of the NeneQuirer, former Editor of the Northampton Herald and Post.

Questions must come with your name, via Instant Message to this profile on the site if preferred. You can provide a public question in the main forum and your name separately via Instant Message. Names will not be published. Alternatively, questions may be asked via Twitter @nqntfc @thenenequirer.

The NeneQuirer invites questions from any community group with a care for the Cobblers.

Please produce any questions by Monday 10th December. We endeavour to forward all reasonable questions.

It would be appreciated if this thread could be left as a "stand alone" and not merged with any others.

Please label your questions FAO NTFC & FAO NBC to differentiate the two.

Thank You.

13  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: December 07, 2018, 11:46:43 am
Haven't heard it but interested to know exactly what KT said regarding budget?

This is a redevelopment thread can we stick to the subject please.
14  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: December 06, 2018, 18:53:13 pm
Kelvin Thomas Youtube update on the redevelopment here:

On redevelopment

"Really good conversation with the Council..pleased with how that is progressing".

"Good discussion with the council about how we fix that in terms of linkage to the wider development and using all the land for the benefit of the football club"

"We can't do anything but work in the background"

On selling the club

"Ongoing, very fluid process"

"One of this big concerns for us is no-one comes in and separates the land from the football club"

"some of those discussions have been fallen a way, some of it has been a bit more property based...some of it has been just football club based and not property, there has to be a balance"

"We don't really want people to come in and just buy the football club and not worry about the East Stand"
15  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 05, 2018, 17:02:09 pm
The initial injection was I believe £1.25M  This increased to approx £1.5M  but additional  losses have accumulated over the last year.
  They are looking to recover the cash injections to date this plus a premium, hence why none of the interested parties have come forward with an acceptable offer.

We'll have to take your figures with a pinch of salt but if we did take them on face value. If you had £1.5 million + and were interested in the club would you hand that over to cover what could be sunk (unrecoverable) costs from Bower's running of the club? Unlikely. You'd wait until the club was next up for sale at a fair price.

Clubs are well known money pits, the way you increase their value is via infrastructure, significant fan-base growth and ultimately success on the pitch and access to improved TV payments. The current owners as yet have done little on these fronts.

The club has minimal infrastructure, potentially accumulated losses that you point out and an East Stand to finish etc etc. We all laughed at Giovanni De Stefano who offered a pound, Cardoza said in court he traded it to the Bower consortium for a quid. There's a pattern forming.

16  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 05, 2018, 10:35:57 am
I think the point is it's very easy to throw things around on here and social media, what I personally would like to see is a proper approach by those advocating this new style of ownership. Maybe that's happening behind closed doors, who knows.

As fans I think it would be remiss to dismiss all ownership ideas without properly understanding them. Can't currently do that until an approach/idea can be taken seriously.

17  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 04, 2018, 18:42:16 pm why don’t you get started with an actual executable plan instead of the veiled insults to fans who don’t share your view - paradoxically one of the downfalls of all types of “collective ownership schemes” is the politics of individuals who want to be in charge, never see or accept an alternative view and insult those they don’t see as folllowing their line or their level of enthusiasm.

Fair point but let's not pretend that Random is a little terse for no reason. He's been banging his head against a brick wall for ages for what really are not radical ideas. We all lived through certain fans shouting down others when they tried to ask proper questions of Cardoza, fans who wouldn't take the "We Want Answers" leaflets and were hostile to that protest and to virtually any mention of change at the club. It works both ways.

I agree an executable plan is key though.
18  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 04, 2018, 14:39:37 pm
I don't think he's paying for anything with magic beans. I think he's paying for things with cold, hard cash. I'd imagine this is more in the form of a director's loan rather than a gift, but either way it's nice to have that option, isn't it? A fan owned model wouldn't have that option.

Yes, we have some skilled professionals amongst our fan base who operate at a high level in business. I think you are in cloud cuckoo land if you think they'd want to join the board of the trust though. If you're thinking of people like Jackson, Binley et al, I don't think any of them are the type of character to get involved in any sort of collective. Shared ownership maybe, but that wouldn't be in partnership with the trust. The best they could hope for in that situation would be a seat at the far end of the table.

Again, there is little point going into this until there is a proper business plan presented to dissect. We are talking about member ownership here not Trust ownership, the Trust as we know it would be unrecognisable.

19  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 04, 2018, 14:00:00 pm
Some good points raised here.

Firstly, budgeting. This is my biggest and most single concern for a fully Trust run club. Budget low, the team put out is most likely going to struggle, gates fall, sponsors pull out etc. Financial issues then come up. Budget high, its a g@mble that may or may not pay off. It didn't for us last season and KT's backer/s I assume are now paying the price of that.

Secondly, when the team struggles. This is generally when a club will struggle financially. So its all dependent on results on the pitch.

At times, DC (and KT) have clearly propped things up. Covered short term losses etc. Using Rushden and Diamonds as an example (thanks Zen Master!), their board were not willing to put their homes on the line and sold out. They didn't have a money person at the helm at all.

For a Trust run club to be successful over a sustained period of time, no body will convince me that a money man/woman with cash on the hip (to burn) isn't needed. No body. Continuation budgets in football, forget them. Many football clubs have at times nearly gone bust, most have ultimately been saved by a knight in shining armour.

My preference, without really looking into the nitty gritty of the detail, would be a part owned Fans club. With influence. How that can be achieved, I do not know and thats what we need to properly find out. The Trust is getting excellent advice on this, and this debate is a good debate to have.

Some fair points Shane but Wycombe are actually probably a smaller club than us with a smaller catchment area. If they can do it and in a higher league then so can we. Again untill a proper business plan is produced we don't have much to go on.

What's clear is that the private model has had plenty of time to produce the goods and it hasn't done so it seems. No buyers worth their salt and no public movement on the East Stand or any other infrastructure.
20  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Trust Making Bid for Fan Ownership? on: December 04, 2018, 13:56:57 pm
Months before we actully sold the naming rights for Joe bunny  I suggested we sell the ground naming rights for 10 years for £1 million plus and use it to fit out the east. The most simple and logical solutions are completely  lost on our club.

Have no idea why a party looking to sell the club would sell the naming rights to the stadium for 5 years to a small fish company when those naming rights may be attractive to a buyer.
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