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1  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: June 14, 2018, 11:22:14 am
James Averill from the Trust covered the meeting. From his Twitter

"Cllr Tim Hadland: "There have been statements that this sort of paperwork was stopping the redevelopment of the East Stand. Am I correct in saying there is now absolutely nothing to stop the development of the stand?"

Council leader Jonathan Nunn: "Yes you are correct."

2  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: June 14, 2018, 09:20:23 am
£4 million is a red herring!!

In the original interview with the BBC after taking over the club, Thomas stated that there was £4 million "to finish the stand and provide working capital"

Bearing in mind the takeover was 2 and a half years ago now, how much of that £4m has been used to keep the club ticking over? There was the HMRC bill at the beginning to start with. What about the £1.1m "loaned" to the club in January? What about the work already done to get the stand in the position it is now (there were no seats in it when he took over were there?)

So he spends a million finishing off the stand and then say's he's done.......he'll have probably have carried out his original promise and nobody could complain!

I don't think KT ever said he'd spend £4m on the ground alone.

Everything depends on the deal agreed with the Council on the takeover. Thomas and Bower were not the only interested parties so it stands to reason that they should and will honour that agreement.

"If you would have told a lot of people the deal we ended up with there would have been 50 people in the room. We were just there with a clear and concise proposal that said we will take the club on, we will invest the money to take it forward.

Has the Chinese debacle and the share buy-back eaten into funds available for infrastructure improvement? It also depends on whether they have capital in the millions to invest in the stand or whether monies are dependent on enabling funds via development of wider land.

For someone as careful with his words as Kelvin, again it stands to reason that the following will pan out or not in the case of wider enabling development.

"David Bower has probably come to the end of his property development cycle and even then probably not on the large scale that was going to be required if we were going to entertain the large scale commercial development on the other side of the East Stand".

3  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Pre-season friendlies. on: June 12, 2018, 12:34:40 pm
I think if he said; "I would have preferred it to have been in a European city myself", he would have took zero beating. But to berate the club and suggest organising it yourself is where the ridiculous is at.

There's been no berating, at most a mild whinge. I've pinged an email to the right people at the club. That was the better way to handle it.
4  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: June 12, 2018, 09:58:07 am
Enough to finish the East Stand?

Be good to have a clear costing of how much it would cost to demolish and rebuild. Or even take off the Cardoza effort stuck on?
5  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: June 12, 2018, 09:56:11 am
Costs dictates that the seats are left exactly where they are, also being the away end, you need to make provisions that allow less able fans to be seated. Areas of terracing built up behind can cater for those who wish to stand and create a big match atmosphere.
Benefits are that while in league 1 you can divide and have a shared south stand and use the overflow for extra visitors if available.
Expanding the North in the same manner can commence  at a later date in readiness for the Championship.

Not sure why you are quoting me there talking about the away end when I am talking about the home end. Let's talk about specific costs when they are actually produced. I've actually lost track of this thread now lol.

Oh yeah the ground could probably be expanded a bit and just waiting to hear what Thomas & Bower's plans are going forward. That's about the long and short of it.
6  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: June 12, 2018, 09:51:30 am
This is amazing.

7  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: June 12, 2018, 07:50:16 am
Genuine question... Do you have any examples of grounds that have this set up? I'm struggling to picture how it wont make our ground look more non league than it apparently does now

Absolutely no need for seating in front of the stand. East and West will provide more than enough seating options. The race will be to produce the best safe standing home end across football. Safe standing areas will be oversubscribed too.
8  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: June 12, 2018, 07:48:00 am
capacity is capacity regardless of being seated or standing?
Keeping 900 seats as seen now but with extra terracing built behind...
The only time someone got the costings spectacularly wrong was when it was first mooted that putting 1800 plastic chairs back in would cost half a million and then reduced to 250,000 infact it was nearer 54k.

Its blatantly obvious what I propose is our only hope of ever moving forward so you're  "no can do' scaremongering has been proved just that by tiny clubs like Maidstone doing exactly what you said couldnt happen😂😂 and believe me as a QS these past 30 years, my figures are pretty much spot on.

Seating is passť and the direction of travel is definitely towards mixed provision stadia (see Spurs huge safe standing provision in their new stadium). A standing North Stand with an imposing 'end' would bring so much in terms of atmosphere and quite possibly in reducing entry prices while also keeping healthy revenues by increasing capacity. It's a win win that club owners and the football establishment are quickly realising now.

I'm pretty sure Kelvin Thomas has been to Maidstone and seen that stand actually but again in the near future we will see his and Bower's intentions on the stadium. The line on no business sense for an increase in capacity is open to debate.

Often hear that the ground would be quite tidy with the North and south 'done' and the East completed to something like Cardoza's original visuals (not the current joke design). All of that should be viable over time and a true test of the credentials of whoever is running the club.
9  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Pre-season friendlies. on: June 11, 2018, 15:09:54 pm
get on with it then - you were going to do the stand years ago, so you are already behind schedule.

Yes because I am going to be able to single handedly complete a building project at a privately owned football club. Some of the comments on here are inane. Honestly I'm boring myself now: I've contacted the club on pre-season, done the legwork on it, discussed on here and also shown examples of what's going on elsewhere. That's enough.
10  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Pre-season friendlies. on: June 11, 2018, 14:17:12 pm
Cut him some slack

You wont be calling him that when he takes his progressive fan owned phoenix club on a european tour,  in their bespoke hummel kit,  all this whilst the new ground is being built, all funded by a just giving page.

Fan owned club = possible but no need for phoenix. Hummel kit would be smart yes. Ground improvements could be funded via mini bonds from tifosy yes. Probably a bit more effort than making snarky comments on message boards required tho.
11  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Pre-season friendlies. on: June 11, 2018, 14:10:45 pm
I've been to Budapest before. Can you organise somewhere new for me please?

Must admit Budapest wasn't on my list but some terrific clubs and country steeped in footballing history. Home of Gabor Gyepes too. What a player.
12  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Pre-season friendlies. on: June 11, 2018, 14:08:36 pm
The moment you start slagging the football club off for not going on a European pre season tour is the moment you need to start looking for a new hobby.

You absolute sad act.

Never slagged the club off. Instant self defence mode on here when you mention things could be done better or other ways of doing things. The rest is fairly accurate lol.
13  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: June 11, 2018, 13:59:05 pm
Here is a link to Maidstone's new stand. Almost twice the capacity of the north and safe standing. I do agree with Beds there needs to be joined up thinking over redevelopment as the fans will be here long after the owners have gone.

14  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Pre-season friendlies. on: June 10, 2018, 16:52:58 pm
Fleetwood Town going to Budapest on fans tour. Sort of thing I'm talking about. Last season they played Karlsruher in Austria. Well organised and progressive club is Fleetwood.
15  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Which players would you like to see the club try to sign? on: June 09, 2018, 12:51:43 pm
Got to be strong fancies for Auto promotion if we can keep the squad together. Big if however.
16  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: June 09, 2018, 08:53:00 am
Can anyone explain the land under CDNL control after the lease surrender as the blue zone does not appear to match up with the huge swathe of land that Cardoza was planning on?

This appears to open a new can of worms.

Are Bower and Thomas going to spend £4million of their own money to finish the East Stand?

What is the status of their masterplan for wider land use which may or may not include what Clarkeysntfc described as

"KT and his group have proposed multiple options for developing the land around the stadium from retail to offices, distribution sheds etc etc. They have also provided proven funding of £ millions."

How does any masterplan tie in with NBC's declaration that

"Neither the 2004 Lease or the lease granted to CDNL in 2013 enable either party to carry out a commercial development of the relevant land due to restrictions in the terms of the leases. If this is to happen there will need to be a separate negotiation between the respective tenants and the Council, who will need to ensure that in agreeing any changes, that the requirements of S.123 of the Local Government Act (1972) to achieve best value are met."

What are Bower and Thomas' short-medium term intentions to fund the football club?
17  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Marc Richards. on: June 08, 2018, 06:58:45 am
Such a presence at the club, can't see him being content with youth team coach role for long. Manager material definitely.
18  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Where next for Jimmy? on: June 08, 2018, 06:57:48 am
Looks like he's going to the Indian Super League. (the ISL for non followers)

That's the one where after Teddy Sherringham had a rubbish spell at Stevenage, they gave him a job thinking he would do a great job but ended up sacking him.

No doubt Jimmy will go there and win the flippin title!!


Hints at limits to his ability though. All heading in the right direction after Burton but problems at QPR and then us. Shame.
19  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Pre-season friendlies. on: June 07, 2018, 17:25:16 pm

Now that is a fair comment.
20  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Pre-season friendlies. on: June 07, 2018, 17:24:41 pm
Meccano , are you on a wind up ? If your not that has to be the most pathetic post I've ever seen on a forum. You really need to get a life mate.

I have a life and part of if is seeing progressive clubs up and down the country and overseas and how they do things. The mistake I made was posting on here, was just sticking up for the originator of the thread who was suggesting Oxford City as opponents to no avail (miraculously got a fixture sorted after this thread appeared though).

Would a supporters committee hurt to look at pre-season? Probably not but I've made my point enough now. Cheers.
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