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41  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 10, 2019, 12:37:49 pm
I’m more than happy to hear representations from anybody. I am a lot more interested in protecting the Trust than I am any businessman or indeed owner. But... All we hear is about how it’s our club. Well... It’s our Trust as well.

I will say one thing, then leave it. On the whole I have stayed away from this debate. But one thing is clear. If anybody is pushing an agenda that is nothing more than just another non football, non NTFC interested party.. Just be careful. Rarely are things as they seem in business.


Yep agree with all of this. Everything I've heard from you is pretty level headed and don't really disagree with anything. Hopefully we'll come out of the end of this with a healthier club. I'm hopeful.
42  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 10, 2019, 12:16:46 pm
All you can go on is the trust's official correspondence, the rest is just hearsay. The Trust has plenty of credibility and in sorting a public meeting is being about as open as it can get. Understand that there are people itching to find out more and join in but just needs a little patience. Would it be correct or sensible to rule out any models before a meeting has been held? Probably not. Until then we'll just go round and round in circles.
43  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 10, 2019, 10:53:44 am
Put the question out there Hammy. We can establish how many people regularly use this forum. In the event there was a share issue for NTFC to become a fan owned club, how many would be prepared to invest and how much? Transpose that across the support base and you have an idea. Farvfrom an exact science with a lot of variables but you would get an indication of the stomach for this if nothing else. Stating the obvious, fan owned club means fans have to source the finances. If they don’t and someone else puts up the collateral then they will be the owners. This process has to start somewhere so either this forum, the trust or any other supporter representative body may as well take a snap shot of opinion and more importantly intent. If it’s 10 million or 10 quid let’s find out? If it’s nothing then fine you look at other options. My own view on this is that it’s put up or shut up time. I have stated previously that there are certain criteria that would need to be followed for me to be involved. However, leaving the conditional elements aside I would happily buy a number of shares up to £3,000 given the opportunity. As far as I am aware there are a few others who would. I don’t want to put the poll up and pre-empt or damage the process whilst the trust are working on a strategy or proposal. But FFS let’s stop arguing and find out what people are willing and/or able to do?

There's a about 5 people "arguing" on this thread, I wouldn't even call it arguing. A message board of anonymous posters will rarely be the vehicle to judge anything. Let's have a poll of anonymous people on an undetermined outcome for undetermined figures. Pretty pointless.

The Trust have called a public meeting and as you say just be a little patient and engage with the process. Fair play on being willing to invest, that's a really positive start.
44  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Safe Standing on: February 10, 2019, 07:48:35 am
I'm all for progress but just to be clear, you think the club will be taking a positive step forwards by erecting the pipework as seen in the link throughout the North or at least a section of the North?

Probably need a bit of context here. The nearest safe standing system in use similar to the bar the Cobblers have installed is at Orlando City who have a fantastic safe standing area. Although their bars are more streamlined than the shall we say "industrial" scaffolding type that the club are safety testing.

https://twitter.com/stevenpowell4/status/871832237762908160

The club are going to enter into full consultation regarding safe standing and you would assume that also means where it can be installed and the actual system used, based on various factors including future-proofing, cost and, obviously safety.

That the project has progressed is a good example of positive and focused work between the club, the Standing At Sixfields Group and the Trust.

If anyone has ideas on where standing would benefit the ground why not respond here.
45  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 09, 2019, 07:50:06 am
I've replied elsewhere on the finances so I'm not going to repeat myself..

If any model of greater supporter involvement is to succeed then it has to be on the basis of what the current financial position of the club is, not what it could become. No bank would ever take seriously a proposal that includes a growth factor of 50% to make it viable. The first question that any bank will ask is "what happens to your plans if incomes fall by 50%"?

In the case of a football club, any bank will be even more sceptical because of the lack of security..

This isn't to say that supporter ownership models cannot work - I think that they can and NTFC only has the turnover of a large corner shop, but there has to be absolute realism about the money involved. Having looked at the cobblers accounts in as much detail as possible, I would think that a full supporter owned club will need about £5m to be taken seriously and then what ever price the current owner would want to sell their equity.

The £5m is based on cash flow, repairs and renewals, a hedge against fiscal disasters etc...

Quite a few summations there but some interesting points. Of course any community owned club would have to have a viable business plan, that goes without saying.
46  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 09, 2019, 07:09:54 am
You’ve answered your own question Random. I think the reason you and others like you struggle to understand is you exclusively promote best case scenarios dismissing any and all realistic concerns as irrelevant. The correct thing to do is look at all scenarios and form a balanced considered opinion. The problem with your approach is that many see the obvious omissions and flaws in the reasoning. Your opinion is then ridiculed and any pertinent comments that may be made are lost in the tidal wave of scepticism. The irony is that you inadvertently end up supporting the current model, because many people believe your suggested alternative is probably unrealistic fantasy. Hope that helps?

To be fair to Random, he has an open mind and is willing to look outside of the closed frame of reference that is the Cobblers. The vast majority of our fans quietly go about their business and will fairly weigh up any propositions on ownership of the club.
47  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Safe Standing on: February 09, 2019, 07:02:48 am
What a pointless exercise!  Yes, I too used to prefer the atmosphere on the terraces at the county ground.  If fact I’d go so far as to say it was more the reason I became a fan than the actual football... But make no mistake, safe standing is not terracing.

If anyone thinks that simply by ‘standing up’ it will recreate that, they’re wrong. In reality, it wasn’t the fact that we were standing that created that atmosphere, it was because we were crammed in shoulder to shoulder, when we scored there was a swell and the noise was deafening.

Standing up in neat rows where your seat used to be wont make a the slightest bit of difference to either the atmosphere or the capacity.  Completely pointless.

The Hotel End what a place!

But you're wrong about safe standing not improving atmosphere. Go up to Celtic with the Green Brigade in their safe standing area and they'll preach to the rafters about how good it is. That's if you can hear them over the chanting. Also, go to Germany where they have various safe standing scenarios and the atmosphere is raucous.

There is also provision for safe standing to increase capacity and lower ticket prices. Win win.

Would agree though that there is a debate to be had about the potentially limited impact installing it in a small section of the North Stand or how future-proofed the North Stand is even as Beds has alluded to.



48  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 08, 2019, 10:26:15 am
But still relevant to the overall picture,  or are we not allowed a balance view.  The fact remains at that point in time fan ownership wasnt deemed sustainable,  sorry if this dosnt fit your agenda.

Yeah of course relevant to the overall view but the Newport model and how it has been adjusted needs more analysis than a couple of lines on here.

The story you referenced is old and it's more functional to adopt a fluid approach to what is happening on the ground there.

In any case, Newport are just one model, you can't poo poo the whole idea of community ownership with reference to the Exiles. Also let's reference the profits and losses of the current NTFC administration for a rounded conversation.

49  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 08, 2019, 08:33:27 am
I don't know. We don't know what the model is yet or whether it would get to that stage.

It if was majority fan owned I assume the Trust board would bring someone in, most likely with the aid of Supporters Direct who would have plenty of contacts within that field.

If there's a hybrid model of fan ownership and a private individual or consortium, those individuals or groups would probably want some say on who runs the show.

Not much point discussing this yet as it's just abstract discussion without the models being presented.

Elections to the board would make the idea that cranks would get roles laughable. There are far more meritocratic systems available than the one that delivered Michael McRitchie Anthony and David Cardoza to positions of destructive and supreme influence.
50  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 08, 2019, 08:29:38 am
Interesting twist on the sustainability of fan owned Newport County,  the harsh reality of fan owned life ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44255428

That's an old story. They have made adjustments to put them on a more secure financial footing since then.

They also have rent issues that we don't have to deal with. the current board have put us on a good footing to explore community ownership. What's more we are in a position to cherry pick the best from the private and community owned models.
51  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 07, 2019, 09:55:05 am
Fan-owned Newport County through to FA Cup Round 5 at home to Man City. Team features ex-Cobbler Regan Poole.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47143918
52  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: February 07, 2019, 09:49:02 am
Eye-catching vision for a new community stadium in the town-centre at Grimsby designed by local architects.

The contrast with cardozas sixfields redevelopment couldn't be more stark.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/grimsby-town-fc-stadium-images-2515438
53  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: TRANMERE on: February 06, 2019, 08:02:34 am
Undoubtedly a fantastic result last night for which, quite rightly, the team and manager are getting some credit.

However, I don't want this to be yet another flash in the pan. I just really want them to follow it up with another good performance (if not result) at Lincoln, because one win or good performance every now and then still doesn't cut the mustard. We've only really put together any decent form during new manager bounces in recent history, and that really needs to change this time. For that reason I'm still not comfortable that we're out of a relegation battle, but there's certainly a lot more breathing space.

It was also good to see Sammy finally given a go in a central role. For me he's been utterly wasted out on the wing for getting on for two years.

His two most decent spells have come in central roles for us, as a striker under Wilder, and as an attacking midfielder behind the strikers under Rob Page. He's been shunted out on the wing for too long just because he's one of the few players we have with pace, even though he quite clearly doesn't have the attributes for the role. From now on he should be considered for those two roles only.

Yep agreed, although despite the goal last night, there are question-marks over his natural finishing ability. We don't have the most patient of crowds if he goes through a dry spell up top.

That said, he was sh*t hot right before his knee injury.
54  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: February 05, 2019, 17:42:18 pm
BBC have doorstepped Grossman at the County Group offices. Worth watching BBC Look East on later shows or Iplayer.
55  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period on: February 05, 2019, 16:17:40 pm
Maybe he's playing the percentages and genuinely thinks that by the end of the season 3-5-2 will pick up enough points to scrape up.

The obvious concerns are:

Oppositions working the tactics out a la Colchester.
Couple of heavy defeats killing belief.
Injury glut making wing-back system further unviable.
56  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 04, 2019, 11:51:35 am
https://twitter.com/TeynEdition/status/1087440903751507970

In any case, would think that most fans would wait and make an informed decision rather than jumping the gun prematurely.
57  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period on: February 04, 2019, 06:40:15 am
Anyone rate Jon Brady as a replacement for Curle should he get the heave ho? Couldn't have done a better job with the U-18's.

58  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 03, 2019, 21:19:56 pm
Trust's community ownership investigation to move to public meeting stage.

https://twitter.com/ntfc_trust/status/1092130833043992577
59  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Views on Keith Curle on: February 03, 2019, 11:40:33 am
I agree with your point but neither of the 2 wingers they signed started the game - McGreal brought Eisa on for the start of the second half and if it was tactical then it was an inspired decision and one that KC didn’t react to. Having said that their number 7 ripped us apart in the first half in any case.

True dat.
60  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Views on Keith Curle on: February 03, 2019, 10:00:04 am
That he went with 3-5-2 knowing Colchester's style of play and that they had signed two rapid wingers is just nuts really.
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