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1  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Disappearing Punters? on: Yesterday at 08:30:54
I have a cunning plan!

Why not have a mass mail drop to the 98.5% of the Northamptonshire area, a leaflet telling the occupiers of each address what utter c***s they are?
The leaflet could offer the remedy for not being such an utter c**t by getting themselves down to Sixfields.
Complete salvation and a completely full stadium, meaning an undeniable necessity for a larger stadium!
Doesn't even need Beds' businessmen!  Tongue
Genius, if somewhat controversial?
2  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Crewe Alexandra (a) March 2nd on: February 13, 2019, 18:07:40 pm
Guarded secrets!  Grin
Oh go on then, down the Nantwich Rd, past the ground, Crewe has its very own Beer Guerilla (for those itk!) called Beer Dock. Continental beers, ales, shop and bar...opens at 10am!
Normal service has been resumed from our most famous patron of alcoholics unanimous.
3  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Crewe Alexandra (a) March 2nd on: February 13, 2019, 03:14:23 am
I might pass...usual s***e mantra from you!
Get a life!
5, yes 5 posts from Cat about an upcoming away game and not a single mention of a pub. Is that a record?
4  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 11, 2019, 20:55:05 pm
they've used that website run by Wally's to come to that valuation. I wouldn't take any notice of it
To be fair I did choke on my cornflakes. To turn £1 into 3.53 million in 3 years is the single greatest return on investment Iíve ever heard of. Not my place to speak for the bloke but KT would take your hand off for a fraction of that, so it is nonsense as you say.
5  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 11, 2019, 20:09:16 pm
Well, if the 3.53 million valuation in the Chronic is to be believed we are going to need to sell quite a few pies and bovrils to cover that. Hope there are plenty of well wishers out there? Iím still sticking to my 14 to 17 million guestimated budget though.
6  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Safe Standing on: February 11, 2019, 01:39:03 am
So not only must with to the Championship we need to stay for at least 6 season before we have to convert to seating

I with Beds (again) this railed seating is a load of political correct / health & safety bulls***

There are umpteen examples of standing in league 1 and 2 and quite a few examples of unsafe seating bolted in - Charlton and Luton spring to mind

All stands are monitored and counted so very easy to see capacity and any problems, plus the biggest problem was pitch side fencing which is obviously not there
Exactly, why worry about minor things like legislation, rules and all that cr@p. Letís do what we want when we want on a whim and damn the consequences? This idea about the club doing an exercise to test feasibility and fan reactions is a total waste of our time. Letís just get on with it, what could possibly wrong and after all itís someone elseís money not ours so who cares?
7  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Lincoln away on: February 10, 2019, 23:04:18 pm
On a separate note, again my iPhone doesnít give me the best perspective but would it be true to say that Lincolnís ground looks like a collection of cow sheds, no pun regarding the Cowleys intended? I donít want to start any controversy when I say this, but Sixfields I know has its issues. However, it did look crap?
8  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Lincoln away on: February 10, 2019, 22:56:01 pm
Grin Grin
On reflection I must admit that the circle I saw in the top corner may have been the screen buffering, it was hard to tell?
9  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Lincoln away on: February 10, 2019, 21:50:08 pm
Correct, it was hit from the middle of the goal but went into the corner.

Just watched it again, in case I was going mad, and I would say that only absolutely top level keepers would have had a chance of saving it.
Your all wrong, Iíve just watched it again on my iPhone and it appears to be an own goal from Hoskins into the top left corner?
10  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Lincoln away on: February 10, 2019, 20:23:19 pm
What a strange club Lincoln are, probably summed up by the one who posted on here. A couple of posts were quite sensible, like you could be chatting to an away fan in a bar, and then he posts some utter cr*p about NTFC stealing £10M from the council and we were the 2nd worst team to play them after drawing the game, hope them grapes are not too sour!.
      Lincoln have really got all the locals "on board" so the club must be doing some things right but, as KC pointed out, their management are really aggressive with trying to intimidate the officials and, as well as some decent fans, I still think they have more than their fair share of tw*ts
Thatís away fans for you Rog, theyíre spiteful and not to be trusted. Keep away from them and play with your old friends.
11  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Lincoln away on: February 10, 2019, 20:16:34 pm

If you sit a chimpanzee at a piano long enough eventually it will play a couple of notes of Mozart.
12  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 10, 2019, 20:09:50 pm
There's a about 5 people "arguing" on this thread, I wouldn't even call it arguing. A message board of anonymous posters will rarely be the vehicle to judge anything. Let's have a poll of anonymous people on an undetermined outcome for undetermined figures. Pretty pointless.

The Trust have called a public meeting and as you say just be a little patient and engage with the process. Fair play on being willing to invest, that's a really positive start.
If the trust polled itís members they wouldnít be anonymous, and the point is to try and establish  the figures to determine the outcome. It must be me?
13  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 10, 2019, 11:49:23 am
I think it's worth repeating that this is the very beginning of this process. People are quite rightly asking where the money would be coming from, but frankly they aren't going to get an answer at the moment. As yet we don't even know which model the Trust might look at exploring in more detail. It could be fans only, it could be fans + private investors, there may not even be a viable outcome at all.
Fair point Fez but if itís out there at least you can rule it in or out as a factor and have some sort of indication of what supporters are prepared to do if anything?
14  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Lincoln away on: February 10, 2019, 11:44:11 am
If you'd have said before the game would a draw be a good result then yes, undoubtedly most people said it would have been.

However, the way the game panned out....they were missing one of their best players, their captain went off injured after 20 odd minutes and they had a man sent off after've got to take advantage of that.

For far too long we sat back and invited pressure...they took the initiative because we didn't want to. Cowley said we settled for a draw with 15 to go..I think it was a lot earlier than that.
Should have made a sub at half time...given Hoskins some support, but he waited until 10 minutes to go before putting Junior on...who didn't have a touch.

We were holding on at the end and could have easily conceded a penalty which is given 8 out of 10 times.

For me....Curles style of play is too conservative, plus the fact we don't have a playmaker, someone who can start pulling the strings in midfield and take the game to the opposition.
JJOT did well yesterday but he's not going to run the game any more....

I've got to say, Lincoln were top of the league but looked nothing special. In the home game they beat us 1-0, in the cup game they needed a last minute winner, and yesterday got a home draw with us. They were there for the taking....but we didn't seem to want to take that chance.....and as a result it all seemed a little boring.
As someone who goes regularly GPC would you say that in regards to being too conservative, is Curle cutting his cloth according to the quality of the squad? Additionally, do you feel last weeks result was a factor, or is he just generally over cautious by nature and this will be the case irrespective of who we sign? I would say probably the former but whatís your take?
15  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 10, 2019, 11:15:09 am
All I want is proof. That is very little to ask. I have attended a few meetings, listened to individuals/groups,  as well as receiving some emails from the council.

If I am asked to sit in a meeting where the word ďallegedlyĒ is used as much as it is already, then I will more than likely go bang 😁.

If someone tells me that a sum of money can be raised from somewhere, they better be able to show me how. I do not want to hear about if every supporter does this, we'll have this. Or if we get local business on board we'll make this much.. That is not a plan.
Put the question out there Hammy. We can establish how many people regularly use this forum. In the event there was a share issue for NTFC to become a fan owned club, how many would be prepared to invest and how much? Transpose that across the support base and you have an idea. Farvfrom an exact science with a lot of variables but you would get an indication of the stomach for this if nothing else. Stating the obvious, fan owned club means fans have to source the finances. If they donít and someone else puts up the collateral then they will be the owners. This process has to start somewhere so either this forum, the trust or any other supporter representative body may as well take a snap shot of opinion and more importantly intent. If itís 10 million or 10 quid letís find out? If itís nothing then fine you look at other options. My own view on this is that itís put up or shut up time. I have stated previously that there are certain criteria that would need to be followed for me to be involved. However, leaving the conditional elements aside I would happily buy a number of shares up to £3,000 given the opportunity. As far as I am aware there are a few others who would. I donít want to put the poll up and pre-empt or damage the process whilst the trust are working on a strategy or proposal. But FFS letís stop arguing and find out what people are willing and/or able to do?
16  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Lincoln away on: February 10, 2019, 07:23:58 am
Never understood why fans of other clubs do this. If you don't want to read Cobblers fans opinions don't come onto this forum
I like him, I think heís got spunk.
17  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 10, 2019, 01:52:01 am
To be fair to Random, he has an open mind and is willing to look outside of the closed frame of reference that is the Cobblers. The vast majority of our fans quietly go about their business and will fairly weigh up any propositions on ownership of the club.
ďHe has an open mindĒ? Do me a favour Mecca, if you are going to comment on here stay off the drugs.
18  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 09, 2019, 19:46:16 pm

I was going to comment on each of your points but decided that it would have been a waste of time...
Instead of giving Random advice I should be taking yours DC. Itís like talking to the cat.
19  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 09, 2019, 19:39:49 pm
Hi Aussie
I wasn't suggesting a loan...I was just trying to highlight the size of the capital to be raised that might be required for a 100% fan owned figures are speculative given the fact the turnover of the club is confidential..I set £5m as approximately 125% of what the turnover might be..

I agree entirely that any bank would be extremely circumspect in looking at a supporters owned club because no bank wants to be responsible for calling in the collateral of a football club...

Having said that, I think a bank would be willing to look at being the banker of a supporter owned club if there were strict financial rules on how its finances were to be operated, similar to the salary cap management protocol that the EFL already applies to Div 2 clubs..sorry for the confusion..

I know, I was just saying because you raised the subject of the banks. I have the unfortunate duty of having to deal with them on a regular basis both here and in the UK. In fact I am currently doing so on 2 fronts, clueless w@nkers Drive me to an inch of sanity. However on your last point trust me on this, whilst all and any will happily be the clubs banker when it comes to a loan you would struggle to get enough to redecorate the changing rooms.
20  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fan Ownership on: February 09, 2019, 13:27:44 pm
I've replied elsewhere on the finances so I'm not going to repeat myself..

If any model of greater supporter involvement is to succeed then it has to be on the basis of what the current financial position of the club is, not what it could become. No bank would ever take seriously a proposal that includes a growth factor of 50% to make it viable. The first question that any bank will ask is "what happens to your plans if incomes fall by 50%"?

In the case of a football club, any bank will be even more sceptical because of the lack of security..

This isn't to say that supporter ownership models cannot work - I think that they can and NTFC only has the turnover of a large corner shop, but there has to be absolute realism about the money involved. Having looked at the cobblers accounts in as much detail as possible, I would think that a full supporter owned club will need about £5m to be taken seriously and then what ever price the current owner would want to sell their equity.

The £5m is based on cash flow, repairs and renewals, a hedge against fiscal disasters etc...
Iíve said this before Wandering and I will go on the record with this indisputable fact again. Forget the banks unless you have the collateral to cover the loan and then some. Anyone who assumes this is even a remote possibility without that condition is in for a shock.
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