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1  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Burton Albion away 24.02.24 on: Today at 11:24:08
We’re the longest odds on today’s ACCA so prepared for double disappointment. Wouldn’t normally back us but it stood out as a good chance to boost it up.
2  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Armchair supporter? on: Yesterday at 12:00:48

Most of those Arabs are no great sheiks!

Way back I used to load shipping containers for Arabian gentlemen. 3 x identical washing machines, 3 x identical fridges and various personal effects, making sure that each wife got the same.
They always used to turn up from London with someone to check it, they always tipped very well. I didn't know we needed a buyer back then.
3  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Oxford United A Now 20.02.24, not 20.01.24 on: Yesterday at 11:47:28
What annoys me about this Cat is the limited thinking. “Build a decent stadium and they’ll come”. Well they won’t will they, there are too many examples of clubs who have done just that it it’s made little difference if any. Of course there are exceptions, but nowhere near enough to warrant the spend.
If you really want to increase attendances then you need a multi faceted strategy that gets to the heart of fan creation. Think about it, how did we become supporters? For the vast majority we were exposed to it at a young age. If it were my club I would have members of the first team squad taking training sessions at schools and I would be inviting pupils to games free of charge a 100 at a time. I’m not talking for 1 game either, the same kids would be invited to 2 or 3 games in a row. Perhaps a little tour of the ground and meet a few players as well. If you want a club to really succeed that’s where you have to concentrate your efforts. Expose as many kids as you can, as often as you can. Developing the ground is important of course, but there is so much you need to focus on as well to drive the club forward. As it’s been mentioned elsewhere, the Trusts initiative with the Ukrainian refugees was a fantastic idea, and the club is also doing some great work as well. The problem is that all this stuff takes time and patience, and that’s not enough for some. They want instant gratification and they want it now and damn the consequences. Unfortunately this is not a quick fix, and some Johnny big walllet jumping in to indulge everyone might be the dream, but if you really want success, then it needs long term careful planning and consistency.

Fúcking hell, I really do think I’m Sugar.

The only certainty is that if you don't (have a decent stadium) they most definitely can't/won't. It is also never a good idea to expose yourself to kids.....

TBF to the club they do loads with the local communities and kids, some of which may be contributing to better crowds today.

There is a strong argument for a 10-12k stadium now. The problem is that because it won't pay for itself in the next x years there is never the appetite/finance to do it.
Where is Thailand Tony when you need him?

As for long term planning and business cases to make this happen organically, I've never seen anything tangible, or anyone with the drive, knowhow, profile and influence to make it a remote possibility.
There are some wealthy people in the Shire. We just need to hope they get bored and develop a love for the football team. We haven't even got a Robbie Williams at the moment to do a few concerts at Sixfields.
4  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Oxford United A Now 20.02.24, not 20.01.24 on: Yesterday at 10:58:17
Considering the financial back drop and our mid table league position, this seasons average is seriously impressive. I think we need a bigger ground.  Tongue

The biggest average since many of the posters on here will have been born, although clearly not all of them.  Grin
5  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Progression on: Yesterday at 10:53:57
The choices I made for the example were quite simple.
1) Our introduction to the Southern league.
2) Our introduction to the Third Division South.
3) Our introduction to the football league.
4) Present day.

Why would I select our best year (or our worst) for comparison? It wouldn't make any sense in regard the progress this club has made (or not) or where our standing is in regard to other clubs. It's irrelevant to this subject.

That's fair for future progression who knows?!
6  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Armchair supporter? on: Yesterday at 08:23:46
Most of the people on here wont be able to afford to go. Be a whole new clientele. Prawn sandwiches anyone?

I know a Luton ST holder. That boat was missed around 5 years ago. Incredibly hard for the 'floating' fan to see a game and the usual lists and lotteries to get anywhere near a ticket.

I can remember queueing outside the Kop end at Anfield around 1:45pm with a couple of pound notes in the early 80's. You spent the games on tip toes and didn't see a lot. My brother still goes but it is unlikely that any kids born today will ever see a ST unless there is one in the family.
7  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Progression on: Yesterday at 08:18:45
I think Evers has a point, or otherwise what is relevance of history? I think the history actually becomes less relevant with the way things can quickly change in football.
Luton maybe a good example. Just because they were in the top flight in the 80's (less than a generation after us), is it less a surprise that they are there again? Not forgetting that with some fans they will be seen as a non-league club. Oxford another one. I can remember seeing Liverpool there in the top flight, crammed behind the end stand. Another non-league team. Are they never going to get up there again? I think some of their fans think they still are!

It's not many years ago that people (and you wouldn't have to be too old) would have laughed at the thought of Brentford and Bournemouth being established Prem clubs.
Not suggesting that this kind of success is particularly possible organically but who knows where we'll be in even 10 years time? History provides a picture of the past and not the future. If it didn't then we'd all be able to win lots of money with the local bookie.
8  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Armchair supporter? on: Yesterday at 07:58:22

Why don't you leave people alone and let them get on with their lives in any way they choose.

The trick in my experience is give certain opinions no credence because everyone will have one, more so if it is opposite of your own.
It's hard and a bit like zoning out a barking dog.
On the flip side, without Evers you wouldn't have started this thread. The 'discussions' ultimately revert to unwinnable arguments. Fine if that is what healthy debate is defined as these days!
9  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Progression on: February 22, 2024, 11:59:40 am
I've always said our chairmen's (past and present) biggest achievement has been keeping us a a league side, although it's been close at times.
The good thing is that history only tells us so much and of course we could latch onto the season in the top flight, something several clubs have never experienced.

I am sure that our town can taste greater success at some point in the future. Whether many of us are left on this earth to see it remains to be seen!
10  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Play-off watch on: February 22, 2024, 10:36:32 am
If you go back exactly 50 years, of the 44 clubs in the top two divisions, 37 are still there. 6 are in League 1 and one (Swindon) are in league 2. Of the 6 that are in league 1, Derby & Portsmouth could well return this season (even Oxford) making the figures even more static. Clubs rise and fall but overall stay where they are/belong.

So 7 out of 44 weren’t. Not bad odds on our chances again one day. Without the likes of non-league Luton dipping in/out of the Prem and Leicester winning the title. It’s what makes football unpredictable and great.
11  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Play-off watch on: February 22, 2024, 09:38:02 am
The one thing I would add to this, the examples of Accrington, Crewe, Morecambe and Rochdale are good ones, we would expect to be above them all and indeed we now are. So in our rightful place in that regard.

The example of Charlton, well they are undoubtedly a bigger club and we would expect them to be higher than us in the football echelon. This season they are not, indeed they may even get relegated. However what I have learnt studying the history of football, you can pretty much guarantee that in the not too distant future, Charlton will once again be above us. It's all about being in your traditional rightful place. We are at our peak now or at the top of the roller-coaster if you like. Inevitably we will descend again, hopefully on a gentle slope and Charlton will climb. The ONLY way these things change are massive investment. Bournemouth would be the perfect example, we were pretty much on their level throughout most of our history, Brentford too. Without that investment we're destined to stay where we are and continue the ride between tiers 3 & 4 of the football league. If you were frozen today and was brought back in 50 years time and they gave you the football league tables, I bet you would notice hardly any difference.

You're right on the money element but I'm not sure the tables will necessarily resemble the ones around 50 years ago in 50 years time.
Leeds and Derby winning the 'Prem', Carlisle and Man Utd relegated, QPR chasing the title, Orient in the 'Championship' play off positions. Plenty of teams such as Workington and Southport.

Let's hope we are more 'Orient' than 'Workington'.

Throw enough money at anything and it will be successful...maybe not Salford....that's the only thing we really have, a big town and catchment area. The are ample big and successful clubs we could replicate.
Examples of Luton achieving it on a relative shoe string are few and far between.
12  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Armchair supporter? on: February 21, 2024, 22:13:02 pm
Always makes me laugh if the term ‘glory hunter’ is used for a Cobblers fan.
There is no glory in attending a Div 4 play off final.  Grin
I’ll give you ‘day tripper’.

Maybe we had some glory hunters in the 60’s?
13  General Category / General Chat / Re: Politics on: February 21, 2024, 17:38:15 pm
Pathetic scenes in the commons. Embarrassing.
14  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Armchair supporter? on: February 21, 2024, 16:33:17 pm
Your opinion of yourself has just gone up a notch. The saviour of the Hotel End.

You’re a proper armchair poster.
15  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Armchair supporter? on: February 21, 2024, 14:54:22 pm

that makes me a bona fide Armchair supporter. However for me, it isn't an insult as the word "Supporter" in clearly ensconced in the term. We're all have different priorities.

I think you have answered your own question there Marvo. Personally I think the first big step is not giving a chuff what anyone says, nor justify previous supporting endeavours.
Most supporters go through life with different commitment levels to their football team. Some for financial reasons, some for health, some for relationships/kids and I'm sure others fall out of love with it.
Geary may go to every game until he pops his clogs. The vast, vast majority won't, otherwise the crowds would drop as fans do! I know tons of people who went back in the day but haven't been for years and then you see a few 'same old faces'.
Maybe see you at Wembley in a couple of seasons.  Grin

16  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Oxford United A Now 20.02.24, not 20.01.24 on: February 21, 2024, 12:10:58 pm
Oxford still have that complex with us.....Quote from "Yellows" site....

"Not only was it a ridiculously negative, risky pass to make, it allowed Northampton to press high which put Negru under pressure. It then set the panic in for the following period where they scored, and the panic on the ball carried on after the goal.

We have thrown away 3 points against a team we were much better than once again. We need hundreds of chances whilst other sides need a few.

It’s either 2 or 4 points whichever way they look at it this season. Maths is not their strong point.
17  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Play-off watch on: February 21, 2024, 11:36:00 am
And to say that at this stage of the season, is a testament to the hard work put in by Brady, his coaching/fitness staff, the team, and of course the other staff at NTFC.

...and dare I say the owners. You don't get an engaged, high performing set of employees if the owners are sh*t.

They'll have their work cut out again close season with losing a few keys faces, which should be cancelled out with one of them being Hylton.  Tongue
It is going to be an interesting summer break and revised line-up for 2024/25. It'd be great if we can replicate/improve on this season.
18  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Play-off watch on: February 21, 2024, 11:00:39 am
I think we will be safe with more than half a dozen games to play.

In real terms I think we are safe now.
19  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Oxford United A Now 20.02.24, not 20.01.24 on: February 21, 2024, 10:16:14 am
Without a shadow of doubt you get a better view of any sporting event on the TV. You get replays for starters. Whilst you may miss an off the ball run or incident (not in the multi camera world), the overall coverage is always better and Evers will always give of an example to make you wonder if he actually saw the game at all.

What you miss is the atmosphere, the celebrations, seeing a new ground, having a good time with family/friends.....the raw feeling of a defeat, the expense, the cold, the disappointment of a sh*t burger, the four hours stuck on the M1.
20  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Oxford United A Now 20.02.24, not 20.01.24 on: February 21, 2024, 08:15:32 am
You ever thought about asking him out on a date? Yes, I know he has a wife and kid but some married men swing both ways so you never know your luck. Just think, if the date goes well and the evening leads to a natural climax, you might be able to claim an assist.  Grin

Who doesn't like a happy ending?
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