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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
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on: Today at 10:26:27
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Think you may have over analysed the "you guys". It was shorthand for Carton and yourself. You know the two people I mentioned in the previous paragraph. It's really that simple. Apologies if I misgendered you because I realise that may have been a big assumption on my part.
Tom's already jumped in and explained to Carton what was incorrect about your "assumption/part statement of fact as you see things".
I guess this demonstrates how the same set of information can be interpreted in very different ways. For example some people, not me I should point out, might think the Trust Board deserve some credit for withdrawing from their partnership with Cilldara?
Nope, you didn't misgender, I was born with a pair of bollocks between my legs and last time I looked I still had them 😊, it's just I don't align myself with anyone on these boards so I found the phrase 'you guys' amusing that's all. Can't take anything Tom says seriously I'm afraid, and that’s not evidence he's thrown back at Carton that's opinion, (maybe in a court of law it classed as evidence?). Do I think the board deserved praise for pulling out of their deal with Cilldara? No not really, they were only doing what they thought was right. More generally, do I think they deserve praise for standing for the board and taking decisions on members behalf? Yes.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Welcome Martyn Waghorn
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on: Yesterday at 19:45:18
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Think this could be a bit of a coup, (in the best possible sense). Always liked him as a player. Depends how fit and how up for it he is I suppose. Let's hope he turns out more Marco Gabbiadini than Danny Hylton.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
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on: Yesterday at 16:59:46
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I didn't think they were hard questions. Much like when I asked you the other week why The Trust pulled out of their deal with Cilldara. Still haven't seen your answer to that one.
Anyway the reason I asked if it was just opinion is because you use the phrase "I would assume" in the first part, suggesting opinion, but the second part reads like it's a statement of fact. Both yourself and Carlton in recent days have supplied "versions" of events. If these "versions" are just opinions then your entitled to have them but Tom and others have eloquently explained and provided evidence, many times, on why you are wrong.
If you are making a statement of fact then I think it's fair to ask what evidence you have to support the claims you are making when there is plenty of evidence straight from the horses mouth that tells a different story. When you include the resignation statements made by the other trust board members in recent years it's certainly a very different picture from the one you guys are trying to portray and I'm trying to understand what evidence you use to form that view.
Correct, my post was part assumption and part statement of fact as I see things which is why I asked you which bits you disagreed with and which facts you thought I'd got wrong. You guys?! What type of guy do you think I am and who are the others? All I am McHammer is someone who reads this board and bits and pieces of other stuff, at which point I make my mind up about things. It's really that simple.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
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on: Yesterday at 16:48:31
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Pointless (and false) personal attacks aside. The history was clearly referring to the petition - and they didn’t, they just claimed to If you’ve run out of anything useful to say, don’t just resort to the same Tired attacks. Pointless personal attacks? Can you show me where I've attacked you please, pointless or otherwise. I'm only surprised that you and the others who tried to remove the Trust board with your petition didn't feel obliged to apologise to them, when having failed, you subsequently joined them around the table.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
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on: Yesterday at 13:45:36
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100% incorrect, actually.....as is commonly the case with your forum posts. What actually happened is the new members joined the board and every single one of those new board members agreed to put the past behind us, as did the old board members and move forward to try and rebuild a relationship with the trust and try and move the trust forward in a positive manner, the difference was the new board members meant it...the old board members demonstrated that they did not, and thus stepped down. I'm afraid you don't know the first thing about the reasons people resigned from the board the loan, you were not involved with either the Trust board or NTFC at the time, but I was.
Haha. 'Every single one of those new board members agreed to put the past behind them'. What past was that? You didn't have any relevant past beyond trying to finish the Trust as an organisation with your loaded petition. I'm not surprised you agreed to bury YOUR past. Very magnanimous of the existing board to bury the past and to welcome you all aboard without reservation though.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
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on: Yesterday at 13:34:49
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What about points 1-7? Do you agree with them?
For clarity is your post above just your personal opinion or do you have evidence to support everything you have claimed?
Easier just telling the board which parts of my post you disagree with and which parts of my post, if any, are factually incorrect.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
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on: Yesterday at 12:32:36
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The Trust are now an insignificant entity and its on the current board and their advisors.
Now the FAB has been set up I cannot see a path back for the Trust, even with a change of leadership, and as I think Carton said, the FAB probably isn't going to hold the club to account like the Trust would have. Its a shame they have become so blinkered by their opinions on the current owners that they have driven the Trust to this place and its us fans who miss out as that scrutiny wont be applied.
When are you and others going to wake up and realize that it's FAB that's the non entity, and probably always will be. Nice guy though Tom apparently is
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
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on: Yesterday at 09:59:10
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This obsession that THE is attacking the Trust or bullying Derek is nonsense - yes there are occasional post that cross the line but equally we see ones with the reverse opinion that get a little heated
The vast majority of posters on this subject are reasonable, articulate and frequently make the following comments without abuse
1. Respect for the history of the trust and what have been done in the past 2. Respect board members put in a significant number of hours. 3. Want a trust to continue to represent our football club 4. Understand in a democratic organisations elected board members will sometimes make decisions without consultation with members however feel for major decision members should be consulted. 5. Don't understand/agree with the overt negativity to anything the club does 6. Don't understand why a non elected advisor seems so influential in decision making - seemingly those that actual members are not consulted on. 7. Don't understand/agree why the trust attempted a partnership with Cildara - a direct competitor to the clubs current owner, and no communication to members on a plan on how such an arrangment would benefit the club. 8. Don't understand an enviroment where so many new board members resigned after a very short tenure.
I could of course add to the list and not every point represents my own thoughts but the bottom line here if the Trust cannot accept valid questions and concerns, and simply rebuts them as an anti-trust agenda it is not fit for purpose.
8 is an interesting one. Having previously stamped their collective feet, signing a petition that demanded the existing board stand down with immediate effect, I would assume the new intake then thought the job was done at the point they took their seats at the table via democratic means and little more of any substance would need to be done for the landscape of the Trust board to change overnight. After trying to pal up with existing board members didn't work (how badly can someone misjudge a situation) and it became apparent that they couldn't just take the reins and drive the board immediately in another direction, they realised their version of what the Trust should be and how it should behave wasn't worth fighting for, and they reverted to type going back to shouting from the sidelines and demanding again on platforms like this that their nominated bad guys 'give us back our Trust'.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
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on: October 31, 2024, 10:25:03 am
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You are absolutely right - a type of democratic coup was tried, and failed for whatever reason
Like, I suspect many members, I support the trust's principles but do not think they are representing their members in a correct way on a number of issues - but here's the rub - I simply don't have the time or the energy to get involved at a level to change anything. Although I do intend to remain a member in the hope that over a period of time people with a different approach will take on some of the heavy lifting and direction strategy - in the meantime if I am typical of most members, the Trust in it's current form will limp on, but largely due to the apathy of its membership and the terrible relationship with the club be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things
Only after they tried and failed to cow the existing board into standing down and leaving the Trust rudderless in the process. You probably are typical of most Trust members and the wider support, but if that's the case we, as a fanbase of several thousands, only have ourselves to blame.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Jon Brady
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on: October 31, 2024, 10:14:26 am
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Wanted to bring this thread back. Reason? He gets booked a lot doesn't he? Is it a bad thing? Is it a little embarrassing, o does it not really matter? I know he wears his heart on his sleeve and I realise that more managers get booked these days overall because of the 4th official being at close quarters. Would it not benefit the team more if he stepped back a bit and took a breathe?
When I used to sit in the West there was nothing better than watching the opposition manager getting worked up and booked whilst his team was losing, and I don't imagine it's any different now at Sixfields or any other ground, and Brady does seem to get more than his fair share. Oh, and sitting in the stand has always been an option, you don't need to wait until you get told to by the ref.
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General Category / General Chat / Re: Politics
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on: October 30, 2024, 23:18:52 pm
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Typical Labour, higher taxes everywhere and record breaking borrowing, the markets have reacted, pound is weaker against the dollar, unemployment will rise, people won’t get wage rises and prices on everything will go up, the economy will stagnate. Still if your in the unions you’ve had a record wage rise. Thank goodness they will be one term wonders as usual.
Still, if you're heavily invested in the US and the pound just went down, happy days #TheStarmerandReevesdreamteam.
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General Category / General Chat / Re: Politics
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on: October 29, 2024, 15:22:09 pm
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I'm certainly not condoning his actions, I'm merely saying what may have led to it happening. I'm also sure that Kier Starmer will do as I said. I mean he can more than afford to with such a big majority.
Starmer and the chess bird. #dreamteam.
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General Category / General Chat / Re: Politics
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on: October 29, 2024, 09:01:37 am
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This is two tier dame stammers totalitarian state, he will get a slapped wrist and be on the front bench by Christmas.
Nah, it's another Labour masterplan. Ashworth to replace him and on front bench by Xmas.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
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on: October 21, 2024, 13:41:04 pm
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So you quote the fact that the owners were involved with Cildara to bolster a point about what? Or are you affording KT and DB with the same morals for withdrawing from a deal with Cildara? KT and DB didn't see Cildara as a viable option. They were right by the look of it then??
I would have thought it bleeding obvious even to a simpleton that the owners withdrew from talks with Cildara because there wasn't enough on the table for them. It had nothing to do with the future security of the club. Now ask yourself why the Trust withdrew from their deal struck with Cildara.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
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on: October 21, 2024, 13:37:04 pm
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I don't hear KT and DB deny that they were interested in the land. It's the hypocrisy of the holier than thou mob that I find a bit odd. As far I'm concerned, the owners have followed a perfectly legal and well scrutinised path to achieve their objective. If you know otherwise, then I suggest you speak up.
I wasn't speculating on legal merit of the owners actions. I was reminding you that the Trust weren't the only party to engage with Cildara and I was doing that because of your criticism of them for doing so. That and you branding someone thick as fcuk with accompanying emojis.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Fans Advisory Board: Minutes, Discussion etc ..
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on: October 21, 2024, 12:05:12 pm
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It is neither Nigel. It is simply a process that ensures that should the stadium footprint be considered for sale then the supporters would be informed with 6 months notice to any potential sale.
MCHammer, the fact it's owned by the council gives me zero confidence in its protection.
In 2019, the council received bids from two development companies, one in London and one in Birmingham for the 20 acres of land. Bids were £20.5m and £19m ! yet WNC accepted HSM valuation of £890k
(it is in the court papers of the JR)
If that's without condition, that's an astonishing detail.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?
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on: October 21, 2024, 12:01:04 pm
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Only they didn't, did they? They had lengthy discussions with them became their money is as good as anyone else's. Then it fell through.
The Trust knowingly and willfully tried to partner with them in an attempt to stymie the club.
There's a world of difference.
To stymie the club or its current owners?
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