Does all that amount to more than he put in?

The answer to the question is totally irrelevant.

What he put in was an investment in a private company. A speculative venture that he entered into of his own free will, in the hope that it would yield a return.

The fact that it did not offer that return, in no way justifies taking public money under false pretences for your own personal gain.

It really is a very basic moral issue. Why do the obvious elements of right from wrong seem to keep escaping you?

Why won't you be happy with survival?

If you were living in a fairly meagre bedsit and somehow miraculously secured a mortgage to buy yourself a comfortable detached family home where you could secure a bright future for yourself and your children, would you then be happy to actually remain in the bedsit, still having to pay the new mortgage, safe in the knowledge that you were never going to get another one.

you need to discuss that with the speaker at the event, but nice side step of the real issue in that David cardoza personally signed the cheque and handed it over to 1st land, never to be seen again. That money was then taken/given away from 1st land and that's why we see where we are. Shouldn't people be finding it who took it, why they took it, where it is and then get it back?
Or will it be another deflective comment about 'fellow' supporters

The big question is who is going to pursue it?



As I see it at the moment, if the take over goes ahead,

The Council gets paid from the land development and has no interest in pursuing it as it would appear they and the MP may be up to their neck in it and would come out of any investigation badly.
DC gets his exit with all the cash in hand, and obviously has no interest in pursuing it.
Buckinghams get paid, they do not want or need to chase the whereabouts of the 10 million.
KT or whoever gets their football club at a knockdown price. They have had no involvement up to now and cannot really chase the money.

The only ones with any interest in going after those who have pocketed this cash are the only real losers in all of this. NTFC's long suffering fans, who have had little or no real representation whatsoever in any of the negotiations to resolve this and so are getting royally @rse raped by the process. Survival is the best we can hope for and we are expected to be happy with that.

Most of us probably will be too...

Surely somebody will break rank soon and just put it out there.

Busy on here for half twelve on a Tuesday morning.....

So DC extracted the £10.25M from the club via his cronies in 1st Land without breaking a single law because the council were negligent in their lending and no one in an official capacity is making a peep because the council are covering up their massive incompetence to save face with the electorate?

Meanwhile the debt is left saddled with NTFC who had absolutely nothing to do with the above shambles from where I am sitting (DC clrealy wasn't acting on behalf of anyone but himself) but will pay for it for decades to come or with their very existence...

That's the way I have reasoned it out too.

Prior to this "revelation".

I don't see it that way. How have I backed myself into any corner?


As for me going, if that is your answer for ridding the site of someone with a different opinion, again so be it. Maybe you should consider the likes of Russia or North Korea as a home, that's what they do with a dissenting voice.

Am I imagining it or did you adopt a really strong position on Cardoza maybe six weeks or so ago. Congratulating him on the team's start to the season, thanking him for his investment in the club, criticising those who were criticising him.

You have backed yourself into a corner same way that you always do. Taking a point of view and doggedly sticking to it,twisting and distorting the facts in whatever way you can to maintain your stance, regardless of how badly you are losing the argument. That is just what you do.

Over 3000 posts, how many of them contain the sincerely delivered phrases "I'm sorry", "I hadn't really thought about it like that before", "It's an interesting point you make", Maybe I was wrong"?
I'd be surprised if any of them did

You're not a dissenting voice. You're not standing up against the brutal force of a crushing oppression. You're motives are far from noble, righteous or based on any kind of social justice. Your posts are self serving. You are about trying to preserve your perceived status of an online persona. And literally nothing else.

I'm actually all for free speech. It's why I rarely post on here now, where censorship and banning have become a tool of convenience for those with the ability to wield it.

I am hoping you leave soon only because there are bigger fish to fry and I'm afraid right now....  you ARE boring John.

I don't believe so. If Cardoza had been chairman of day, the local Halfords and the same process had happened I doubt you'd have heard a word, maybe some paragraph on page 7 of the local paper.

Do I care about the same situation at Halfords? No. Would I think it was right and try to defend the instigator? No. Would I feel sorry for those who are employed by Halfords or take particular pleasure from going there? Yes

A few key points you seem to be missing throughout your recent desperate series of posts-

1) Public money is involved. Taxpayers money given in good faith.
2) A considerable fraud / embezzlement of this money seems to have occurred.
3) The man at the centre of it all has lied and lied and lied again.
4 ) It has taken a club that all of us on here profess to love/ support/ care about to the brink.
5 ) Points 2 and 3 are wrong. Regardless of context they are just not the right thing to do. This wrong doing is even further compounded by the context of points 1 and 4 though. And rightly so.

I am not sure where you are going with this.


Vintage Marvo / John stuff in many ways though. You've backed yourself into a corner by taking up a position and refusing to back down from it. We now appear to be at the stage where your posts are becoming increasingly nonsensical as you desperately try to avoid any kind of a climb down.

In summary it appears that your most recent point of view is that Dave might still be a good guy, dropping down five leagues will be good fun, playing league football will be boring and none of us would be saying anything about any of this anyway if it was about something we didn't care about or had no knowledge of.

The change of name is a new (and particularly bizarre) tactic granted, but I am guessing it is little more than a stepping stone to your next embarrassing exit/ boycott/ sabbatical. Sooner you go the better I think at the minute.

And when sign players permanently they are always great acquisitions I suppose...

At least we are able to send back the sh@t ones with little financial consequence. OToole will be a massive drain on the wage bill for another 2 years yet.

Just walk up, introduce yourself and politely ask him whatever it is you want to know. If he invokes his minders they can only ask you to move on. They don't have the legal right to physically assault you just for asking him a question.

And you never know, he might just have a chat with you quite happily. His recent record on answering questions from fans is the exception, he has always seemed keen to engage with supporters in the past, including his biggest dissenters.

Agree with a lot of the choices.  Asamoah and Bayo my favourites at Sixfields probably. Del Boy came from nowhere, produced moments of tremendous skill and excitement and was probably the player with the most raw, natural flair I have seen up there. Bayo was a terrific character, surprisingly skilful,  produced very consistently and is like no other footballer I have ever seen anywhere.

I have often thought that if you are a Cobblers fan and didn't enjoy watching Bayo, then what is the point of going up there. It's not really going to get much better than that.

Couple that haven't been mentioned and that I always enjoyed watching are Mark Bunn(class) Mark Little in his first spell when used as a centre back (like a young Des Walker) and Luke Guttridge ((tenacity and skill perfectly married) apologies if I spelt his name wrongly btw, I know that upsets a lot of people on here)

So presumably Dave will be at the game again tomorrow. Instead of trying to rally support for a protest or going round and round in circles on here, why don't one the more informed amongst you just approach him tomorrow, present your evidence and politely ask him to answer your questions?

Seriously, why not?

So it is a rugby town right now then?

No, I don't think so. More people go to the rugby but that does not make it a rugby town.

Wigan is the obvious example of a rugby town. Regardless of their footballing  success, the Rugby Club were and are the big draw. The town never have really got fully behind the football club.

I don't think Northampton is anything like that.

I sincerely hope the new owners (should they exist) pay a lot less attention to this board than the current ones.

Yes indeed.

Sorry Marquis, you're a good bloke and I've always found you good value, but you've let people get away with playing playground bully on your watch. To the detriment of the board I'm afraid.

That's another post that's f@ck all to do with football. Add it to the list and do the math Hallam.

The mods just go

 

pay attention!

Out of order.

They also censor and remove posts that don't suit them too.

We're not a rugby town at all. They just offer a superior product at the moment and so they get more through the gates.

A Cobblers side achieving considerably less than the premier league and European level that the Saints are at would soon draw bigger gates than them.

Me too Jim.

As such we are both stuck with the tinpot, sh@tty little club we inherited from our forefathers.

Acceptance is the key though. Accept it for the ride thst it is. Enjoy the occasional and relative highs, appreciate that all the lows make those highs a little bit higher and don't hope for too much more.

Fcuk me you have to be the most boring person ever, I bet your single.

Many of the most boring people I Know are NOT single. Including me. I was much more interesting when I was single.