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« Reply #140 on: November 25, 2014, 20:06:15 pm »

Massive gam ble from Wilder.

If he plays like a dick then it's a master stroke, if he does well and scores against us the knives will be out.

If I was wilder I wouldn't let him play...you just know that he will score and play a blinder. It just seems an unnecessary risk and shows how desperate we are to get shot. Case of waiting until tomorrow for confirmation I guess.

Whichever way you look at it though, there's just no good vibes coming out of the club and this whole situation echoes other situations that have gone horribly wrong.
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« Reply #141 on: November 25, 2014, 20:09:04 pm »

Why Wilder has seen him all season and probably thinks having him play against us is a great idea, in fact I wonder if Wilder could get them to play Alfei against us as well.

See Bungle and DrillingCobblers responses for the very obvious answer.
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« Reply #142 on: November 25, 2014, 21:47:18 pm »

Massive gam ble from Wilder.

If he plays like a dick then it's a master stroke, if he does well and scores against us the knives will be out.

If I was wilder I wouldn't let him play...you just know that he will score and play a blinder. It just seems an unnecessary risk and shows how desperate we are to get shot. Case of waiting until tomorrow for confirmation I guess.

Whichever way you look at it though, there's just no good vibes coming out of the club and this whole situation echoes other situations that have gone horribly wrong.

Don't see the problem in playing him against us - if he does go out on loan! Its not as if he has done well here , only a few half decent games!
Why do people worry what might happen. As Drilling? suggests, JJT could easily be sent off.  Provided we win it does not matter.
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« Reply #143 on: November 25, 2014, 22:27:23 pm »

Don't see the problem in playing him against us - if he does go out on loan! Its not as if he has done well here , only a few half decent games!
Why do people worry what might happen. As Drilling? suggests, JJT could easily be sent off.  Provided we win it does not matter.
Other than scenarios like JJ getting sent off or scoring at least one own goal, I dont see anything positive in him playing for them on Saturday. Only embarrassing negatives. If he's s***, he'll get taken off by any sane manager.
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« Reply #144 on: November 26, 2014, 06:53:30 am »

You've all got me chuckling again.  Grin

Almost to a man you've been saying what a terrible signing O'Toole has been for us, disinterested, disgruntled, a bad influence and he still hasn't found the net in 20 appearances for the club. Worse still, we have him on a three year contract! Suddenly, a light at the end of the tunnel, we may have found a way to ship him out, cut our losses, get rid and yet all you lot are worried about is whether we allow Southend to let him play against us. This useless lump of a midfielder who has hardly shown a glimpse of any form whatsoever. Of course he might score, it's about time, but so may the player in the team if he isn't as well. Christ, Ryan Gilligan used to score the odd goal or two and look how useless he was. If he could, anybody can.

If he goes to Southend and becomes a success, good for him. Like so many before him, he's not done it for us and when all said and done that's the only criteria I'm interested in.
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« Reply #145 on: November 26, 2014, 08:15:01 am »

i understand he is home sick so will be a new man in southend.................
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« Reply #146 on: November 26, 2014, 12:40:58 pm »

Agreed. And he's on three years during which time the club will play 150 plus games of which we have only played twenty so far. If Wilder wants rid already that's pretty poor decision making on his part.
If Toney is going for the cash, then even more reason to persist and play him in his favoured position, behind Richards, for a little while longer and when appropriate.  If he's no good after season one of three, then is the time to get rid.
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« Reply #147 on: November 26, 2014, 12:47:15 pm »

I dont see anything positive in him playing for them on Saturday. /quote]

Agreed - with this bit Roll Eyes
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« Reply #148 on: November 26, 2014, 18:00:55 pm »

You've all got me chuckling again.  Grin

Almost to a man you've been saying what a terrible signing O'Toole has been for us, disinterested, disgruntled, a bad influence and he still hasn't found the net in 20 appearances for the club. Worse still, we have him on a three year contract! Suddenly, a light at the end of the tunnel, we may have found a way to ship him out, cut our losses, get rid and yet all you lot are worried about is whether we allow Southend to let him play against us. This useless lump of a midfielder who has hardly shown a glimpse of any form whatsoever. Of course he might score, it's about time, but so may the player in the team if he isn't as well. Christ, Ryan Gilligan used to score the odd goal or two and look how useless he was. If he could, anybody can.

If he goes to Southend and becomes a success, good for him. Like so many before him, he's not done it for us and when all said and done that's the only criteria I'm interested in.



I'm a bit surprised by this to be honest. He was very good against Luton and even better against Wimbledon.


It is ironical isn't it! Thats exactly what I thought...

Im guessing that its more to do with off the pitch stuff, but that is pure speculation. In both the above games you mention, he was harshly subbed and I put down his coming off at Luton as the turning point in that match that cost us the game.



Just to show that my mind hasn't been changed  Wink
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« Reply #149 on: November 26, 2014, 18:09:22 pm »

Phil Brown "John-Joes loan is with a view to a permanent deal. It will be great to get him here after failing twice in the past" also says will play as a striker or just off.

Interesting.
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« Reply #150 on: November 30, 2014, 10:21:42 am »

Played quite deep centre-mid for them and was exactly what we've seen from him: looks unfit, slow, reluctant to commit to the challenge on occasion, generally off the pace...but did have a shot on target.
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« Reply #151 on: December 01, 2014, 14:54:20 pm »

You've all got me chuckling again.  Grin

Almost to a man you've been saying what a terrible signing O'Toole has been for us, disinterested, disgruntled, a bad influence and he still hasn't found the net in 20 appearances for the club. Worse still, we have him on a three year contract! Suddenly, a light at the end of the tunnel, we may have found a way to ship him out, cut our losses, get rid and yet all you lot are worried about is whether we allow Southend to let him play against us. This useless lump of a midfielder who has hardly shown a glimpse of any form whatsoever. Of course he might score, it's about time, but so may the player in the team if he isn't as well. Christ, Ryan Gilligan used to score the odd goal or two and look how useless he was. If he could, anybody can.

If he goes to Southend and becomes a success, good for him. Like so many before him, he's not done it for us and when all said and done that's the only criteria I'm interested in.

I thought Ryan Gilligan was a good player for us, at least he put a good shift in every game unlike a lot of what we have now
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« Reply #152 on: December 01, 2014, 15:25:38 pm »

I thought Ryan Gilligan was a good player for us, at least he put a good shift in every game unlike a lot of what we have now

Yes but Marvo didn't like Ryan Gilligan so despite all his goals and endeavour he must have been useless.
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« Reply #153 on: December 01, 2014, 15:43:06 pm »

Okay, you got me. He wasn't useless, he was adequate for a side with no aspirations of promotion. A good player to have as back up though.

Note: Did you know he is one of only 84 players to have scored 20 goals (or more) for Northampton?

Problem was, he got to that mark with the 79th lowest scoring rate. (one goal every 11.7 games)
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« Reply #154 on: December 01, 2014, 15:45:03 pm »

Yes you've told me that before darling.

As for promotions, well he scored goals for us in our promotion year 05/06.
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« Reply #155 on: December 01, 2014, 15:54:21 pm »

ryan gilligan was awful.

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« Reply #156 on: December 01, 2014, 16:03:19 pm »

Okay, you got me. He wasn't useless, he was adequate for a side with no aspirations of promotion. A good player to have as back up though.

Note: Did you know he is one of only 84 players to have scored 20 goals (or more) for Northampton?

Problem was, he got to that mark with the 79th lowest scoring rate. (one goal every 11.7 games)

Except we got promoted with him as a fairly regular player in the team and that goals to games ratio is a little skewed in that at one time or another he had spells as a right back and defensive midfielder.
Ok, he wasn't one of our all time greats but he did a decent job for us, although I seem to remember you hated the poor guy at the time too!
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« Reply #157 on: December 01, 2014, 16:07:47 pm »

Except we got promoted with him as a fairly regular player in the team and that goals to games ratio is a little skewed in that at one time or another he had spells as a right back and defensive midfielder.
Ok, he wasn't one of our all time greats but he did a decent job for us, although I seem to remember you hated the poor guy at the time too!

That scoring rate is spot on for a right back or defensive midfielder.

I didn't hate him, his presence in the side just epitomised how poor we were.

Getting back on subject (sort of), he was certainly more use that JJ O'Toole has proven to be.
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« Reply #158 on: December 01, 2014, 18:58:15 pm »

Gilligan always gave me false hope I still had a chance to make it professionally  Angry
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« Reply #159 on: December 24, 2014, 14:59:18 pm »

Has been recalled from Southend due to Banks going to back.
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