HallamCobbler
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For it to go to trial the job of the CPS and the defense lawyers is to get all of those who need to give evidence on the list submitted to the court before the trial starts, so naming a possibly innocent person in the press achieves nothing except aggravation for them and their family. I know of one person named in a rape trial who was hounded out of his home and dismissed from his job before the trial at which he was found not guilty and the woman who made the claims against him was later prosecuted for attempting to pervert the course of justice.
Agree, just saying I think thats why they name them.
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singcobb
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No they name them because it's what your average Joe in the street wants to read after looking at page 3.
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BackOfTheNet
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It's a difficult one. **** is a reprehensible crime and once someone has been convicted of it I have no time for them and would struggle to come to terms with cheering them on if they played for us. The more you read about this case though the more dubious the conviction sounds. Considering it is essentially one person's word against another, and one of those people was so out of it on drink and drugs they have no recollection of events it's very difficult to see how the court can find in favour of that person's version of events. This is especially true when you include the comments overheard by the taxi driver and the mobile phone footage. Sure, these don't prove that a **** did or didn't occur later in the evening, but they do suggest that earlier in the evening she was consentual to some acts. Of course, that doesn't mean she consented to anything else, but it does cast doubt.
And therein lies the reason why I think his conviction will be overturned; I really can't see how, in the absence of physical evidence, a jury can reach a verdict that is beyond reasonable doubt. Being entirely objective about it, while events in that room were almost certainly rather unsavoury, it's pretty much impossible to prove either way.
And indeed it has been overturned. He's to face a retrial and rightfully so, but this time I hope all the available evidence will be heard so a true verdict can be reached. How some of the stuff was omitted last time was scandalous all round, really; it hasn't helped the victim, the accused, the legal system or the tax payer who subsequently has had to foot the bill for everything that has followed.
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The Hotelend Grand National* Sweepstake Champion 2020
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DrillingCobbler
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VERY please with this. Took a bit of a beating at the time on here and via social media sites. You know...supporting a 'rapist' and all that.
I really hope that he is acquitted and that the girl gets named and shamed.
She tweeted a day or two after the 'rape' that she was taking all of her mates out on holiday because she was coming into some money. The tone of it was a very happy and boastful one as well. Subsequently deleted that though.
She also managed to walk unaided into the hotel carrying a pizza, speak with the receptionist of the hotel etc. And didn't appear to be intoxicated in the slightest. Yet cannot remember a thing apparently.
She was after money...and may end up making it more difficult for genuine rape victims to have their cases trusted and believed. The law is so wrong.
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BackOfTheNet
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Agree, Drilling. I don't think he's a very nice man. Actually, I think he's probably a bit of a c***. That isn't a crime though and when you actually read around this a little, some of the stuff that the original trial refused to accept as evidence casts a very different light on events. I've no idea if he raped her or not. I really haven't. However, I think it's vital that he (or anyone else) is allowed to present all relevant evidence in order to defend themselves, otherwise they really aren't receiving a fair trial.
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The Hotelend Grand National* Sweepstake Champion 2020
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OldStratfordCobbler
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And don't forget that Ntfc also has a tenuous link in the Ched Evans affair. Clayton McDonald, one of the co-defendants in the case who was acquitted, is the brother of Concrete Rod!
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Deepcut Cobbler
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“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
The Hotelend Grand National Sweepstake Champion 2009
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Saint Cobbler
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Interesting that his clearance from all convictions coincides with the retirement of Jessica Ennis who tried to ruin his career and life.
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DrillingCobbler
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I took a quick look on twitter earlier and it seems that all of the Ched Haters are now crying that he's been found innocent and claiming that the witnesses involved were in it for cash. Unbelievable Jeff.
I hope he takes the law to the cleaners, I really do. Its disgraceful what happened.
And for those saying the girl didn't report it. She went to the bloody police, bless her! Cant make up the crap that people spout. Her decisions have ruined a blokes life and made him a hate figure in so many peoples eyes. Even now that he's been found innocent.
I decided earlier not to debate this on social media, but had to get it off my chest so I've had my rant on the subject on here!
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Wolvo
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Will always remember when he was initially found guilty, I was following the case very closely whilst in my third year of University. Terrible from the justice system. I believe the woman in question never accused Ched of rape though - only went in to report a missing bag and the police pursued it from there.
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singcobb
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One thing that really p!sses me off is the disproportionately lower amount of coverage given to his clearing of all charges then to the coverage given when he was found guilty.
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Deepcut Cobbler
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Similar to the small internal columns normally given to apologies for incorrect front page headlines...
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“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
The Hotelend Grand National Sweepstake Champion 2009
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singcobb
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13. Across: He is not a werewolf.
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Wolvo
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One thing that really p!sses me off is the disproportionately lower amount of coverage given to his clearing of all charges then to the coverage given when he was found guilty.
Nonsense, real trustworthy papers like The Sun covered this as front page news.
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singcobb
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He is almost a newsworthy as a free razor and as for treating women like dirt the Sun should be careful of all the glass around them.
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Wolvo
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He is almost a newsworthy as a free razor and as for treating women like dirt the Sun should be careful of all the glass around them.
Well if you don't like looking at pictures of a man who treats women like dirt, you can skip to pages 2 and 3 where you can see ALL of Ola. Treat of a newspaper.
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singcobb
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That 606 is an excellent piece. The Sun certainly falls into the victimisation section. Well if you don't like looking at pictures of a man who treats women like dirt, you can skip to pages 2 and 3 where you can see ALL of Ola. Treat of a newspaper.
To be honest, I cannot see why it is still in circulation. There is no place in a socially advanced society for what is not much better than a w@nk rag. As for Evans, the jury decided he was not guilty of rape. Unfortunately the courts do not pass judgement moral issues only legal.
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Dr Feelgood
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No one will know except Evans or the girl. If he is truly innocent which a lot of times athletes are then she should be done for perjury.
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For goodness sake Doc we are NOT going down you heard it here 1st (I damn well hope that does not come back to haunt me)
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singcobb
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No one will know except Evans or the girl. If he is truly innocent which a lot of times athletes are then she should be done for perjury.
The issue is not if she told the truth or not, it's that she wasn't a credible witness as Evans and the jury took Evans's word to be more believable. Also you have to consider that a not guilty verdict is issued when there is some doubt. The jury could well have considered a guilty verdict, but been reluctant due to it being a retrial which in itself lends a certain amount of doubt from the outset.
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