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« Reply #100 on: Yesterday at 21:35:50 »

One for the armchair sleths.
Wouldn’t any application for land be available via a FOI request? From the original loan (to DC) to the ongoing land battle, the lack of transparency is staggering.

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« Reply #101 on: Yesterday at 21:39:20 »

I keep bloody saying the West Stand car park!  Grin

Yes, thats of course what I meant on the 2 or 3 posts I said it on!
Nice to know im not alone.  Wink
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« Reply #102 on: Yesterday at 21:43:52 »

Another minor point.......its one thing to gain control of land, another to build on it......but a totally different one altogether to actually sell whatever is built.

The South gravel car park has been up for sale for how long now? Any takers for this prime piece of land??
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« Reply #103 on: Yesterday at 21:46:19 »

So....retail development somewhere at Sixfields.....has this been mentioned before??

Taking off your claret tinted specs for a while, do you believe it is ok for KT/DB to sell off "PUBLICLY OWNED LAND" for retail development, and then presumably profit for the sale of that land?

The land may be "controlled" by NTFC/CDNL, but it is owned by the council. I'm sure they'll want a cut, and i'm sure they'll want to see as much of the remainder put into the club as possible...with a minimal amount if anything going to KT/DB.

KT states in a radio interview, when directly questioned by Stuart Linnell, that they have asked for no more land. The Council then issue a statement to say that they have. What the hell is going on??

Maybe from KTs position they expected the documents to include a certain portion of land and it wasn't in there, so they amended the documents and sent them back.  Thus in politician speak KT would be telling the truth that he hasn't asked for more land as he would only be asking for the land that he believes should be on the lease.  Whilst the council would take the position that KT has asked for more land to be included. 

That or one of them is telling a blatant lie. 
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« Reply #104 on: Yesterday at 21:56:52 »

Grin Grin

On Twitter and Facebook they have, theres loads of Cobblers fans making such comments!  Grin

I don't for one minute…not even 0.1%…think KT or DB are out to screw us. I believe they are totally genuinely. However, I also believe they are 'in it to make a short term profit and run', doing little to improve our ground in the proc ess. Like I say, thats what I believe. Am I happy about that? You bet Im not. A very basic refit of the East Stand and our last chance of profiteering from the associated complex that Sixfield's 'potentially offers'. Id rather that the fans took ownership, or a local consortium of business people with the Cobblers at heart, ran the club at cost, took no risk with budgets, but maximised the facilities from whatever land is available to profit from. I reckon a sustainable mid-top end league1 football club could come out of that within 5 years. No more than that for sure, thats where the big money comes in. But Id be much more comfortable chancing it with 'outsiders' if theres no land grab on offer.

Ahhh, I thought you meant on here, apologies.. I’ve deliberately not looked on social media tbh, usual melting pot of lunatics I’d assume?

I see where you are coming from and I pretty much agree. I just think sometimes on here there is a rush to denounce KT as the same as DC.
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« Reply #105 on: Yesterday at 21:58:23 »

Maybe from KTs position they expected the documents to include a certain portion of land and it wasn't in there, so they amended the documents and sent them back.  Thus in politician speak KT would be telling the truth that he hasn't asked for more land as he would only be asking for the land that he believes should be on the lease.  Whilst the council would take the position that KT has asked for more land to be included. 

That or one of them is telling a blatant lie. 

Why then has this taken 6 months to come to the fore? You can't amend a legal document....you can query it, go back to the document producer to ask whats what.

KT said that he and his solicitor turned around the document in one working day......no mention of amending anything!!
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« Reply #106 on: Yesterday at 22:05:45 »

This is ridiculous now.

**** it.
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« Reply #107 on: Yesterday at 22:06:00 »

Another minor point.......its one thing to gain control of land, another to build on it......but a totally different one altogether to actually sell whatever is built.

The South gravel car park has been up for sale for how long now? Any takers for this prime piece of land??
When I was a kid, we used to go fishing down Dusson Mill. That area is very prone to flooding. I would suggest that its only use is as a car park. Maybe theres no potential car park magnates out there?
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« Reply #108 on: Yesterday at 22:12:06 »

Lack of communication on both sides yet again - feel like we've walked this path many times before.
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« Reply #109 on: Yesterday at 22:21:57 »

Ahhh, I thought you meant on here, apologies.. I’ve deliberately not looked on social media tbh, usual melting pot of lunatics I’d assume?

I see where you are coming from and I pretty much agree. I just think sometimes on here there is a rush to denounce KT as the same as DC.

It does frustrate me that so many of our fans seem to have brushed aside 15 years of this saga and not learned one bit from it. And are out there just blaming the council!  Grin Without even considering that there *might be more to it.

To be fair I don't see anyone comparing the two as individuals, just the situations and it being like ground hog day AGAIN!

I 'turned' after the Chinese 'deal' going bellies up was announced. For a whole host of different reasons. I don't believe the Football Club can be run properly by only half a board of 2 being in the country for just 2 weeks a month, for starters. Yeah, I know all about online communication…my business is a digital agency…but to run a small business effectively, which to all intent and purposes the Cobblers is, needs a more hands on approach at the very top. I won't get personal on here but thats just the start. Anyway, I will still be renewing my season ticket this week!  Grin

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« Reply #110 on: Yesterday at 22:23:21 »

Why then has this taken 6 months to come to the fore? You can't amend a legal document....you can query it, go back to the document producer to ask whats what.

KT said that he and his solicitor turned around the document in one working day......no mention of amending anything!!

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“Our solicitors processed this within one working day with minimal change and returned the draft Deed to the council’s solicitors.

What they mean by minimal change is up for question.  I assumed it meant that they made some amendments.  The council have implied that they made amendments to the land that was to be included in the deal.  KT just said minimal change.
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« Reply #111 on: Yesterday at 22:23:56 »

I'd prefer to wait and see what the piece of land in question is before jumping to any conclusions. It might be an area for a retail park, it might be a small path to allow access to the East Stand. Which side of the equation my sympathies lie would very much depend on knowing this essential piece of information.

You would have thought that this would have been the only course most of us can follow. Everything else is subject to the usual hearsay and unsubstantiated facts. If it is just a small access path then all this hullabaloo looks a bit silly!
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« Reply #112 on: Yesterday at 22:28:55 »


It is the extra land bit but it is the retail bit that would suggest the extra land was not an additional path or room to turn the fire engine round as suggested by Hammy


I've never quite understood your love affair with everything I say. But let me just clear one thing up. I quoted the law. I never said that was KT's attempt to either secure or not secure further land.  I just quoted what was in the councils own safety executive notes, and totally contradicts what the council said at the time. It was the council who stated the original distance from the rear of the east that was required, then it was alleged on here that it was/is untrue.

I said way before you ever uttered a word about anything that KT will not develop anything without a return. I equally stated that until I am aware of the situation, I will not commit to an opinion. It will suit some peoples agenda to believe the council. It will suit others to believe KT.

In terms of DC. I can fully understand all of us holding little regard for him. Especially you, as you well and truly got your @rse kicked by him  Grin But to my knowledge, you did nothing more than you have done on this occasion. Namely moan on here.
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« Reply #113 on: Yesterday at 22:51:16 »

I believe KT over anything that comes out of NBC.
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« Reply #114 on: Yesterday at 23:01:49 »

This isn’t really tricky to deal with at all.
Just give the club to whoever has the £10M. Grin
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« Reply #115 on: Yesterday at 23:05:18 »

I believe KT over anything that comes out of NBC.

I'm still leaning that way.... I hope I'm right. I'm only basing that on the amount of times I have seen the council front out some serious lying  Grin Grin

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« Reply #116 on: Yesterday at 23:13:12 »

So....retail development somewhere at Sixfields.....has this been mentioned before??

Taking off your claret tinted specs for a while, do you believe it is ok for KT/DB to sell off "PUBLICLY OWNED LAND" for retail development, and then presumably profit for the sale of that land?

The land may be "controlled" by NTFC/CDNL, but it is owned by the council. I'm sure they'll want a cut, and i'm sure they'll want to see as much of the remainder put into the club as possible...with a minimal amount if anything going to KT/DB.

KT states in a radio interview, when directly questioned by Stuart Linnell, that they have asked for no more land. The Council then issue a statement to say that they have. What the hell is going on??

And I'm fairly certain that during one of the Trust meetings he stated as 'absolute fact' that the delay had 'nothing to do with additional land, or developing additional land around the stadium.'

As Monty says, it's a case of needing to know the facts before deciding who's doing (or not doing) what. The Council's comment about 'retail development' sounds ominous, but it could just as likely be a red herring on their part, i.e. not signing land away which the Council itself might look to develop sometime in the future.
Alternatively, the whole Chinese 'partnership' fiasco left a bad taste in the mouth. People purchasing controlling shares in the club, and yet KT never showed willing to acknowledge it as a takeover.

I certainly don't trust NBC, their hands are far from clean in the 'missing ten-millions' saga. Alternatively, they did throw the club a lifeline; although you can make your own mind up as to their reasoning on that one. KT always comes across as a decent and approachable bloke, although you'll never really get too much out of him beyond his 'media savvy patter.' I'm well aware he has the words to appease the masses, but his constant non-speak irks me somewhat. This being said, I'm not opposed to him making some decent money before he vacates the hot seat. But only if the football club's gains are greater.

Anyone's perception of truth is always a variable to someone else's, but the only thing seems clear at this moment: Northampton Town Football Club is once again being used as a pawn in someone else's game; and it appears to be in a dangerous position on the board.
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« Reply #117 on: Today at 00:03:30 »

The timing of this statement from KT is weird - Just appointed new manager - just signed a new striker - did they know this was going to be announced ? not sure. Would Dean Austin signed a contract for 2 years knowing KT was wanting out ?? This whole thing is a mess and the sooner the complete incompetent persons at NBC sort this out the better. NBC has a lot to answer for and maybe now is the time to get protesting as I believe the truth needs to come out over the missing money - there are persons in NBC holding info - we need to sort this now !!
If KT cant sort it this club is doomed
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