100 Loan Players ......

[DrillingCobbler]

Since Aidy then, I would say that the ones that positively contributed I have highlighted...

Boothroyd   ADAMS Blair
Boothroyd   ASANTE Akwasi
Boothroyd   CAMERON Nathan
**Boothroyd   CARLISLE Clarke
**Boothroyd   DUKE Matt
Boothroyd   EAST Danny
**Boothroyd   HUWS Emyr
Boothroyd   MUKENDI Henoc
**Boothroyd   NICHOLLS Lee
Boothroyd   OYELEKE Emmanuel
Boothroyd   ROOFE Kemar
Boothroyd   SILVA Toni
Boothroyd   WEALE Chris
**Boothroyd   WILLIAMS Brett
**Boothroyd   BLYTH Jacob
**Boothroyd   DALLAS Stuart
Boothroyd   FERDINAND Kane
Boothroyd   McLEOD Izale
**Boothroyd   NORRIS Luke
**Boothroyd   Ricky Ravenhill
King   BLAIR Matty
King   GERMAN Antonio
King   HOPE Hallam
King   HURST James
King   McGINTY Sean
Wilder   DICKENSON Ben
Wilder   LOPEZ Cristian
**Wilder   MARQUIS John
Wilder   SINCLAIR Emile
**Wilder   Zander Diamond
**Wilder   Evan Horwood
Wilder   Brendan Moloney
Wilder   Jason Taylor
**Wilder   Kaid Mohammed
Wilder   Joel Byrom
**Wilder   Rickey holmes
Wilder   Danny Alfie
Wilder   Jordan Archer
**Wilder   Tom Newey
Wilder   Ollie Banks

So 15/40 - about 37.5% success rate.

Prior to that, I can't be bothered to look at this stage but what we can say is that there is statistically about a 2 in 3 chance that the player will be detrimental to our cause.

Of course, permanent signings are the same but I would argue that the rate is far less over a period of time...even when you factor out that many of those permanent signings were initially loans.

Even so, thats a better hit rate than I expected. As others and myself have said, its the quality of the loanee thats the question. I think that in the recent past we have signed many 'emergency loans' that were not properly scouted etc to fill in either gaps or perceived gaps in the squad and we would have been better off playing our own kids.

This season we would be worst case where we are now but the likes of Snedker, Roberts, Moyo and perhaps one or two others would have gained invaluable experience and we would be stronger for it. Plus we'd have more money in the bank.

[Zen Master]

Was Rahin on loan? Sure he was under febwick

Yep. I thought he was alright, particularly enjoyed his goal against QPR. Looked him up earlier. He works for FIFA.

[Welly Cobb]

I would probably say that Nathan Cameron, Blair Adams, Toni Silva, Hallam Hope, Kane Ferdinand were all good enough loan signings, and discounting Byrom and Taylor is harsh, so I'd make it more like 50% success rate, but it's all subjective.

[Air-Dan]

I would probably say that Nathan Cameron, Blair Adams, Toni Silva, Hallam Hope, Kane Ferdinand were all good enough loan signings, and discounting Byrom and Taylor is harsh, so I'd make it more like 50% success rate, but it's all subjective.

Bit too early to judge Maloney / Taylor aswell I'd say.

[DrillingCobbler]

I would probably say that Nathan Cameron, Blair Adams, Toni Silva, Hallam Hope, Kane Ferdinand were all good enough loan signings, and discounting Byrom and Taylor is harsh, so I'd make it more like 50% success rate, but it's all subjective.

Fair point. Nathan Cameron for one certainly brought something to the party. Byron is no better than Carter, Taylor too soon too judge but promising signs.

[Wolvo]

Bit early to judge Ricky Holmes as well.

Also, would say Emile Sinclair positively contributed to our season *whilst on loan*. Like Everbrite keeps banging on about, Torquay game was vital in our bid to stay up. He's just been dogsh*t since!!

[Razor]

Brent Rahim! The Trinidad international midfielder we were definitely going to sign on a permanent basis at the end of the season and then never did.
.. we were also supposed to sign the leading Trinidad international striker (name escapes me) at the same time but apparently couldn't get the work permit sorted.

Loved Rahim's goal at Sixfields (first half, North Stand end but opponent escapes me) because it was the first goal I'd seen us score for about 3 months

[Zen Master]

Nigel "pistol" Pierre

[Baby Bear]

QPR, Razor. 1-1.

[The 12th Marquis of Sixfields]

There's been some great players amongst them but also some dross. Much like every club I'd imagine.

[Baby Bear]

An abundance of loan players, gets you nowhere, in the long-term. Look at Hereford, them getting promoted, with 9or 10 loanees, was, probably, the beginning of the end.

[brickowski]

Fair point. Nathan Cameron for one certainly brought something to the party. Byron is no better than Carter, Taylor too soon too judge but promising signs.

Byron is definitely better than Carter.

[bigcitylights]

Brent Rahim's now working for FIFA, bizarrely.

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/brent-rahim/13/84/489

[DrillingCobbler]

Byron is definitely better than Carter.

Carter was player of the season last season and has been barely used this season. I would argue that if he had been utilised in his correct central position consistently that we would not be having this discussion.

[brickowski]

Carter was player of the season last season and has been barely used this season. I would argue that if he had been utilised in his correct central position consistently that we would not be having this discussion.

In what games has he not been played as a central midfielder?

[boblarkin]

We have had some good loan players from higher league teams (Berahino, Cox, Marshall etc.) but the vast majority have been from our own level.

The point is, not that they were useless (with a few exceptions) but that they were exactly the same as the players they "replaced". Apart from emergency situations such as injuries reducing the squad what on earth is the point of this?

As for getting players on loan to trial them so that they can be signed permanently, that has been a great success too. Ravenhill?

[bungle]

Our recent loan record is largely symptomatic of the terrible 'relegation battle - new appointment - panic signings' cycle which we've been locked into for the past four or five seasons. I'm pretty sure CW wouldn't have signed the likes of Sinclair and Ravenhill if it wasn't for the fact that he had about a week of the window to rebuild the squad.

At the moment, as hard as it might be to swallow, we are effectively a struggling side transitioning into a mid-table/play-off outfit. As such it's taken CW - and the majority of posters on this board - a while to realise that the likes of Ravenhill, Carter and possibly even Hackett (i.e. last year's spine) are no longer up to it and require long-term replacements. Given the aging, struggling squad he inherited, it's hardly surprising that CW has had to experiment with numerous loanees until stumbling on a decent combination (hopefully Moloney, Taylor, Bryom and Holmes). Having said that, he's certainly brought in some s***e loanees along the way, Alfei, Archer and Banks in particular. It's also taken him a ridiculously long time to work out how to use O'Toole.

In an ideal world, the manager would play the loan market in much the way that AB did in the play-off final season. One or two class youngsters on season-long loans (Lee Nicholls) with a handful of good quality short-term signings to provide emergency cover or provide some momentum at the end of the season (e.g. RO'D and Lee Collins - although I can't remember if either were technically loanees). I'm fairly convinced that this what CW would like to do; it's just that the aging players in our squad have declined at an unexpectedly alarming rate and have needed to be replaced ASAP.