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« Reply #400 on: April 08, 2022, 15:38:41 pm »

You can only attend a meeting that you know about.
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« Reply #401 on: April 08, 2022, 16:21:54 pm »

You can only attend a meeting that you know about.

Exactly.  Wink

Coincidentally, I received an emailed letter from The Trust, timed 8 minutes after my previous post, requesting my opinion on the ACV that The Trust hold:
"Do you think the Supporters Trust should invoke the ACV it holds on the old athletics track land at Sixfields?"
Yes/No answers by 1700hrs Monday 11th April.
It isn't dated (basic drills), so I have no idea when it was originally sent out to members?
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« Reply #402 on: April 08, 2022, 18:57:34 pm »

He likes to have all the words.

Brilliant reply. Well done. The council are clearly clueless.
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« Reply #403 on: April 08, 2022, 20:01:15 pm »


Having now read this I'm not going to comment on whose numbers are right around remediation costs and whose aren't because a) I've no idea and b) I couldn't give a shìt; it impacts upon the bottom line for the land developers and whatever the ultimate profit it's unlikely any of it will come the way of the football club. Beyond those numbers I think the points made are very valid and follow comments I've made myself (the buyback clause only covering the running track area and very woolly stuff around what benefit to the football club means). However...

As ever, it's a question of tone and of knowing how to speak to people to get what you want, which is once again sadly lacking. If you were to hand that letter to someone who knew nothing of the situation, they'd assume from the Billy-Big-Bollocks attitude that this letter was coming from a major player in the deal and not from an interested bystander, which is all the Trust are in this. They hold no power and no influence on a deal between two other parties, beyond being able to make a bloody nuisance of themselves by invoking the ACV.

I think they've been humoured until now by both the council and to a lesser degree by the club. It's pretty clear the club's patience ran out a while ago and I wouldn't be surprised if this letter is the final straw for the council too.

It's a shame because, as I said, a lot of the points are valid, they just needed to be couched with even a modicum of emotional intelligence that is altogether absent.

Oh, and still not so much as a word on what the very same advisor had been talking to Cilldara about, which I find extraordinary!
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« Reply #404 on: April 08, 2022, 20:24:34 pm »

Having now read this I'm not going to comment on whose numbers are right around remediation costs and whose aren't because a) I've no idea and b) I couldn't give a shìt; it impacts upon the bottom line for the land developers and whatever the ultimate profit it's unlikely any of it will come the way of the football club. Beyond those numbers I think the points made are very valid and follow comments I've made myself (the buyback clause only covering the running track area and very woolly stuff around what benefit to the football club means). However...

As ever, it's a question of tone and of knowing how to speak to people to get what you want, which is once again sadly lacking. If you were to hand that letter to someone who knew nothing of the situation, they'd assume from the Billy-Big-Bollocks attitude that this letter was coming from a major player in the deal and not from an interested bystander, which is all the Trust are in this. They hold no power and no influence on a deal between two other parties, beyond being able to make a bloody nuisance of themselves by invoking the ACV.

I think they've been humoured until now by both the council and to a lesser degree by the club. It's pretty clear the club's patience ran out a while ago and I wouldn't be surprised if this letter is the final straw for the council too.

It's a shame because, as I said, a lot of the points are valid, they just needed to be couched with even a modicum of emotional intelligence that is altogether absent.

Oh, and still not so much as a word on what the very same advisor had been talking to Cilldara about, which I find extraordinary!

BON - this is exactly my frustration - I've tried to engage with two of the most vociferous board/ex board/advisors of the trust but whenever you try to open adult dialog it descends into accusation, (at best) of fence sitting, or making anti trust comments, or shooting the messenger, or at worst incapable/too stupid of seeing the evils of of the current owners - you are absolutely right in some of the points raised are definitely valid but frankly the tone smacks, as you say of limited emotional intelligence coupled with a liberal slice of arrogance - but sadly with the obvious outcome of no dialog and no meaningful input into a beneficial outcome to the club. It's unfortunate but both the council and the club (neither who come out with much credibility), but in reality are the only meaningful players in this charade and don’t need to act or listen to these missives - I’ve repeatedly suggested a more measured approach but these individuals clearly feel they know best and ridicule this approach.
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« Reply #405 on: April 08, 2022, 20:30:37 pm »

Having now read this I'm not going to comment on whose numbers are right around remediation costs and whose aren't because a) I've no idea and b) I couldn't give a shìt; it impacts upon the bottom line for the land developers and whatever the ultimate profit it's unlikely any of it will come the way of the football club. Beyond those numbers I think the points made are very valid and follow comments I've made myself (the buyback clause only covering the running track area and very woolly stuff around what benefit to the football club means). However...

As ever, it's a question of tone and of knowing how to speak to people to get what you want, which is once again sadly lacking. If you were to hand that letter to someone who knew nothing of the situation, they'd assume from the Billy-Big-Bollocks attitude that this letter was coming from a major player in the deal and not from an interested bystander, which is all the Trust are in this. They hold no power and no influence on a deal between two other parties, beyond being able to make a bloody nuisance of themselves by invoking the ACV.

I think they've been humoured until now by both the council and to a lesser degree by the club. It's pretty clear the club's patience ran out a while ago and I wouldn't be surprised if this letter is the final straw for the council too.

It's a shame because, as I said, a lot of the points are valid, they just needed to be couched with even a modicum of emotional intelligence that is altogether absent.

Oh, and still not so much as a word on what the very same advisor had been talking to Cilldara about, which I find extraordinary!
Valid points. To that end why in gods name not initially request a meeting with the council communicate the concerns and seek the reassurance? If you approach this with some discretion it may have helped to maintain a productive working relationship with the council. The original letter and this are immediate and aggressive so there will probably be a degree of hesitation and/or reluctance to deal with the Trust no matter who is running the council or the club moving forward. IMO there is just too much confrontation and too little diplomacy given the amount of time before the deal is completed. I fear the Trust may have opened the door and handed themselves their hat and coat. Not only have they burnt the bridge with the council, they have spat in their face and fúck you. None of this may have actually been necessary at this point in time. I just don’t understand.
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« Reply #406 on: April 09, 2022, 08:53:09 am »

I thought it was a well know fact that the Trust board meet roughly once a month, anyone who has joined a meeting would know this, as the date for the next meeting is one of the last points discussed.
    If you want to know the date of a meeting, just ask. The dates are not published, because they are not public meetings, but as part of the constitution, members can ask to attend.
     
   
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« Reply #407 on: April 09, 2022, 09:07:01 am »

I thought it was a well know fact that the Trust board meet roughly once a month, anyone who has joined a meeting would know this, as the date for the next meeting is one of the last points discussed.
    If you want to know the date of a meeting, just ask. The dates are not published, because they are not public meetings, but as part of the constitution, members can ask to attend.
     
   

I really wish you could see past your “if you don’t like it tell them or join them” rhetoric Roger.

The Trust is being deconstructed systematically by a series of ill thought out actions. It seems hell bent on imploding. They say they want to work with the club, then appear to act totally contrary to that. It has to be obvious, the further that distance grows, the less the Trust even have any association with the club.
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« Reply #408 on: April 09, 2022, 09:34:25 am »

I really wish you could see past your “if you don’t like it tell them or join them” rhetoric Roger.

The Trust is being deconstructed systematically by a series of ill thought out actions. It seems hell bent on imploding. They say they want to work with the club, then appear to act totally contrary to that. It has to be obvious, the further that distance grows, the less the Trust even have any association with the club.


I don’t know Andy Roberts but what sort or chap is he? Whenever I’ve heard him he comes across as rationale, composed and respectful. He must get sign off on the approach you would have thought, although can’t be responsible or control what individuals put out into the www. Not looking for a character assassination, it’s just like the output doesn’t always match what you’d think. For example, he said the Trust are backing the CDNL bid but you’d be forgiven for thinking the opposite at times.
The JM/Cilldara noise was a great opportunity to make a statement but then they are clearly reliant on his output. I agree with others in that some of the challenges may be warranted but the wording is cringeworthy at times. As they are direct from the Trusts mouth, it is how they are portrayed.
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« Reply #409 on: April 09, 2022, 10:14:02 am »

I really wish you could see past your “if you don’t like it tell them or join them” rhetoric Roger.

I was replying to people/members saying they didn't know about the Trust board meetings, nothing else Nigel. If I was that interested in any discussion, I would enquire about how I could make my point.
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« Reply #410 on: April 09, 2022, 11:57:17 am »

I was replying to people/members saying they didn't know about the Trust board meetings, nothing else Nigel. If I was that interested in any discussion, I would enquire about how I could make my point.

You would. But we’re lazy sods.   Grin
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« Reply #411 on: April 09, 2022, 13:38:58 pm »

I was replying to people/members saying they didn't know about the Trust board meetings, nothing else Nigel. If I was that interested in any discussion, I would enquire about how I could make my point.

Some of us have more going on in their lives than chasing when the next Trust Board meeting is.  A simple piece on the Trust website would be a minimum expectation?
In the current climate, I would have thought that The Trust board would have been 'encouraging' attendees to request an invite to be involved, not hiding away?  By conducting the meetings over Zoom, ordinary member attendance could not be easier, an example of missed opportunitys?
A board meeting for 17 Feb was 'mentioned' in amongst the AGM report which was posted on the 16th Feb. Roll Eyes
The Trust website doesn't mention or advertise when there have been subsequent meetings (if any), nor have they published minutes from those meetings?
As I have said many times previously, I acknowledge the intent of The Trust, but I once again question the methods that are continually chosen to effect that intent in the majority of those aspects?
Especially when we are regularly informed that the CVs of those involved are meant to be so professionally spectacular?
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