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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2015, 09:11:46 am » |
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Wrong time for a full out protest. Already suggested that a few songs asking "where's the money gone " etc might be better advised.
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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2015, 09:16:43 am » |
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I don't actually believe a lot of our fans even know the basics of whats been going on...
This is an honest question from an honest fan who is maybe not particularly well informed on this. I've read through some of the threads on here (though nothing like all of it) and it is clear to see that there are a number of shady looking circumstances that when combined suggest Cardoza may be in a bit of trouble. But I do know someone exceptionally well connected at the club and when I spoke to him a couple of weeks back even he did not seem to know one way or another what was really going on. And he s somebody who really should know. Again this does not bode well as it suggests Cardoza is running away from even the people he trusts most in the club. However, isn't it all just circumstantial? The massive sway into unbending and vitriolic criticism of the man by so many on here in the last couple of weeks suggests that there is no longer any uncertainty at all. And generally when a wave of feeling like this sweeps through the board it is usually well founded. So my question is what do we actually KNOW? No conjecture, I mean in terms of facts, what do we know to have actually happened?
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2015, 09:20:06 am » |
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I don't think a protest has anything to gain other than voicing our opinions, and I'm sure DC already knows what they are.
All this will do is have a negative effect on the team on the pitch, which is something I definitely don't want to happen.
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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2015, 09:20:57 am » |
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Wrong time for a full out protest. Already suggested that a few songs asking "where's the money gone " etc might be better advised.
A few thousand leaflets printed explaining exactly what the perceived issues are and the questions which have so far gone unanswered would probably be more effective, more informative and wont create the negative feelings/atmosphere in the stadium which many are keen to avoid. You could probably give one to everybody in the stadium on Saturday for about £50 if you get down to the printers sharpish.
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The 12th Marquis of Sixfields
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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2015, 09:21:55 am » |
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Anybody knocked on his door yet to ask him what the crack is? It's only a couple of miles away
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Ryan Amoo 14
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2015, 09:23:12 am » |
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A few thousand leaflets printed explaining exactly what the perceived issues are and the questions which have so far gone unanswered would probably be more effective, more informative and wont create the negative feelings/atmosphere in the stadium which many are keen to avoid.
You could probably give one to everybody in the stadium on Saturday for about £50 if you get down to the printers sharpish.
Hang on - next Saturday!
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Clint
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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2015, 09:23:23 am » |
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Anybody knocked on his door yet to ask him what the crack is? It's only a couple of miles away
Did he get his house finished then?
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Vintage Cobbler
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« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2015, 09:25:14 am » |
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Leaflets hand out - one for the Trust I suggest. Over to you Barton?
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« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2015, 09:36:10 am » |
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This is an honest question from an honest fan who is maybe not particularly well informed on this.
I've read through some of the threads on here (though nothing like all of it) and it is clear to see that there are a number of shady looking circumstances that when combined suggest Cardoza may be in a bit of trouble.
But I do know someone exceptionally well connected at the club and when I spoke to him a couple of weeks back even he did not seem to know one way or another what was really going on. And he s somebody who really should know. Again this does not bode well as it suggests Cardoza is running away from even the people he trusts most in the club.
However, isn't it all just circumstantial?
The massive sway into unbending and vitriolic criticism of the man by so many on here in the last couple of weeks suggests that there is no longer any uncertainty at all. And generally when a wave of feeling like this sweeps through the board it is usually well founded.
So my question is what do we actually KNOW? No conjecture, I mean in terms of facts, what do we know to have actually happened?
I'm with you. There are lots of facts out there in the public domain but there is no context in which to frame them to get a definitive view of why those facts have come about. Until that time, everything on our part is conjecture. I know from personal experience of situations where companies I've worked for have released financial figures that, while factually correct in themselves, have been wildly misinterpreted by the media. From the inside, you know differently as you can contextualise them and relate them to other pieces of information that aren't in the public domain. In these cases, the people getting the wrong end of the stick have been professional industry analysts, so if they can get things drastically wrong then there's every chance our amateur efforts to interpret the facts that are out there are likely to be wrong too. I'll admit, on the face of it, things look highly dubious, but experience tells me that things aren't always what they seem. On this basis, I'm certainly not prepared to start throwing personal abuse or accusations at an individual who may still prove to be acting in the best interests of the club we all love. If, when ALL of the facts are known, this proves not to be the case then fair enough, it's open season, but until then it's best to keep things civil. Ask the questions by all means, just don't assume you know all of the answers from what you've read into things so far.
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Clint
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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2015, 09:43:18 am » |
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I'll admit, on the face of it, things look highly dubious, but experience tells me that things aren't always what they seem. On this basis, I'm certainly not prepared to start throwing personal abuse or accusations at an individual who may still prove to be acting in the best interests of the club we all love. If, when ALL of the facts are known, this proves not to be the case then fair enough, it's open season, but until then it's best to keep things civil. Ask the questions by all means, just don't assume you know all of the answers from what you've read into things so far.
We have asked the questions. We just don't get a straight answer, or indeed any answer at all
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Montgomery Eypoke III
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« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2015, 10:13:18 am » |
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So does that mean we don't actually KNOW ANYTHING in terms of wrong doing as a FACT?
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The 12th Marquis of Sixfields
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« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2015, 10:15:17 am » |
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If running this board has taught me anything it is that if you ask questions on here or raise a point, the club release a statement or does an interview very shortly after to answer address it. Going right back to "why don't we score from corners anymore?" then a few days later they were saying how were trying up to "has work has stopped?" and them trying to fool us the next day into believing it hadn't. I'm quite surprised nothing has been released regarding some of the claims made. Gone very quiet regards the action being taken against Mr. Palethorpe as well, hasn't it?
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DrillingCobbler
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« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2015, 10:19:43 am » |
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The responses are what I expected and I can fully understand why...hence why I asked the question has it got legs?
Personally, I believe that it wouldn't be counter productive. IF a takeover is very imminent, then any prospective new owners (assuming that they have the best interests of the 'club' at heart) will fully understand why people are protesting. IF they don't then frankly I do not want them to be our owners. I would rather we went into admin, DC loses all of his cash...we get points deductions, potentially get relegated...but are finally rid of DC. Each day/week/month that passes is another day when the debt is becoming more of a burden.
When I tried to arrange a more civil approach (January), 20 odd people backed it. I was told to hold fire, hang back etc etc. 9 months later, still hearing the same..
R&D fans sat back, did nothing. They said it was out of their hands. They went bust.
DC is hiding because NO BODY is trying to find him. He announces a takeover, nothing happens. I said when he did, that it was likely to be another delaying tactic. I really do not know whether thats the case now, BUT there is a chance that it is.
Im not suggesting a boycott, a hill protest where people do not pay to enter the stadium. The protest should be in the stadium, before the game, at half time and at the end. In between, the effort needs to be to back the team.
Still. The general consensus is to do nothing, once again I have to accept this. The media will continue to not report it or to investigate it. (which they would if there was a protest). The council will continue to hide away from it as well. Whilst DC gets an easier life than he should be getting.
Toys out of prams time? Yeah for me it is. But DC will read these comments (or have them past on to him) and know that he's got a while yet to dig himself out of his hole. Even though its getting deeper and deeper.
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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2015, 10:22:08 am » |
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Leaflets hand out - one for the Trust I suggest. Over to you Barton?
Thats a decent idea. Would get a lot of new memberships for them potentially as well...
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Deepcut Cobbler
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« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2015, 10:23:39 am » |
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Go and knock on his door and have a one to one chat with him...I/we would be interested in your report.
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“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2015, 10:30:55 am » |
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Go and knock on his door and have a one to one chat with him...I/we would be interested in your report.
He wouldn't get beyond his new tax payer funded security gates
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DrillingCobbler
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« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2015, 10:35:26 am » |
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Go and knock on his door and have a one to one chat with him...I/we would be interested in your report.
DC likes his one to one chats. He doesn't/wouldn't like it if its a 500 to one one though... Anyway, the police would be called, I would get arrested. Im 'brave' enough to say who I am. I have also NEVER stated that I believe he has done anything illegal. Just relayed my thoughts and justified those thoughts. I would also be prepared to have my name used as the person instigating any 'controlled peaceful' demonstration/unified approach. If that isn't enough for you then fair enough. Trying to publicly belittle what I am suggesting is a manipulative way of saying that you disagree with it, which you clearly do. You have previously stated that you have opinions but are not prepared to say what they are. Most people (the vast majority) want an easy life and one that doesn't put their head on the chopping board. This club means an awful lot to me and it is being run terribly and extremely disrespectfully. I 'do my bit' in many ways and have done for many years. A bit more than just buying my tickets/shirts. Its only been recently that I have 100% turned against the chairman and believe that I am justified in doing so. I do not like being lied to. There have been many instances when this has happened in recent times, even if those lies were perhaps not intended to be lies at the time. Action speaks far louder than words and barely a word he has spoken in the last few years has been delivered on. There comes a time when the kid crys Wolf too many times...
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tcobb
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« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2015, 11:42:27 am » |
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Personally I was hopeful that The Trust was going to take up the cause after the positive statement they made. But so far no follow up from them at all, which is a shame as they could have got the fans behind them.
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Deepcut Cobbler
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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2015, 11:58:45 am » |
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I don't say that I disagree with what you are/or not doing and your ultimate aim, it's the methods you choose that I am adverse/disagree with. You have been careful not to state that he has done anything illegal but have skirted around it by leading the perception using thoughts that you justify without factual evidence or context, only amateur interpretation. There is a lot of 'stuff' reproduced that none of us know for sure what it all means but to us who do not pretend to understand, the one sided 'evidence' is damning. I agree, from what has been revealed by the amateur sleuths on here, it doesn't 'look good' and the recent inclusion of the possible false representation of buyers at meetings is so surreal it could even be true, although I so hope it is not. There are some good contributions to the debate with measured interpretations on both 'sides' but yours have a trend to be more off the cuff and remind me of a young Dennis the Menace thinking up his next caper without aforethought, of which this is a prime example. As I said, I have been told that you are a middle aged businessman, unfortunately my perception of you on here doesn't validate that. My opinion? I am concerned and read all posts, but I am genuinely of a sanguine nature and have been in situations that have been of more concern than this issue that appears to have taken over your life. I applaud those that have taken the measured approach, raised the issue as a concern through postings (although the repetition and bullying is irritating) and contributing to the Q&A that has, regrettably, been ignored and hope that all is resolved satisfactorily and I/we have a football club to watch and support. If there has been any illegal wrong doing, then the perpetrators should be caught and punished appropriately but we have to let it take it's course with measured pressure. Arranging a personal one to one meeting with DC maybe an option. The lack of a public investigation/intervention by NBC/Chronic/etc. could be an indication of their concerns/thoughts unless that activity is occurring out of the public gaze. All I/we want is DC and the club to resolve this completely to our satisfaction and let us once again concentrate on the thing that matters, results on the pitch with a club that still exists. I just choose not to repeatedly state this on a daily/hourly basis.
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“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
The Hotelend Grand National Sweepstake Champion 2009
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