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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2016, 15:10:21 pm »

Page has struck me from day one as an opportunistic manager who makes it up as he goes along without having an overall strategy. Players such as Beautyman, Taylor, Gorre and even Revell seem to have been signed simply because they had a decent rep and were available; he doesn't seem to have thought much about how they would compliment our existing squad or fit into an overall system.

He seems to have based our whole attacking strategy on a 20 year old rookie who will be gone in January.

Fortunately, by hook or by crook he has managed to make us solid and if we can start nicking the odd goal we should survive. 

So harsh and also probably incorrect.
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2016, 15:19:47 pm »

Page has struck me from day one as an opportunistic manager who makes it up as he goes along without having an overall strategy. Players such as Beautyman, Taylor, Gorre and even Revell seem to have been signed simply because they had a decent rep and were available; he doesn't seem to have thought much about how they would compliment our existing squad or fit into an overall system.

He seems to have based our whole attacking strategy on a 20 year old rookie who will be gone in January.

Fortunately, by hook or by crook he has managed to make us solid and if we can start nicking the odd goal we should survive. 
who's this 20 year old rookie? Hasn't he based our whole attacking strategy around Revell?
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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2016, 11:27:03 am »

So there we go. End of the deadline. Jeremy Casey has also made a point about this on twitter.

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2015-16 End of season team
                                          Starts    Sub    Goals
1      GK    Adam Smith             50    –    –
2      RB    Brendan Moloney      29    –     1    
4      CM    Jason Taylor             12    23   2
5      CB    Zander Diamond       41    2     2    
6      CB    Ryan Cresswell         24    7     2    
7      RM    Lawson D'Ath           30   16    4    
8      CM    Joel Byrom              38    2     2    
9      ST    Marc Richards           32    5    18    
10    W     Nicky Adams             39    6     3
11    W     Ricky Holmes            22    10    11
12    RB    Josh Lelan                11      2      –
14    ST    Sam Hoskins             20    22    8    
15    W     Alfie Potter               16     10    1
16    LB    David Buchanan        54     –     –    
17    CM    Paul Corry                 1      3    –    
18    CB    Rod McDonald           26     2    3    
19    ST     James Collins           17     4    8    
20    W     Lee Martin                 9      1    –    
21    CM    John-Joe O'Toole       40     3    12
22    CB    Luke Prosser              7     1    –
23    CM    Danny Rose              13     2    1    
24    CM    Shaun McWilliams      –      –      –
26    GK    Ryan Clarke              4      –     –
27    ST    John Marquis             13    2    6

2017 ins

6    CB    Gabriel Zakuani
10    ST    Alex Revell    
11    W    Kenji Gorrι    
12    CM    Jak McCourt
16    CM    Harry Beautyman
18    RB    Aaron Phillips    
19    W    Emmanuel Sonupe    
20    LB    Raheem Hanley
22    CB    Lewin Nyatanga
26    GK    David Cornell
30    ST    JJ Hooper
31    LM    Matt Taylor
--     W      Paul Anderson

Obviously we all know the reasons for a lot of the outs. But just imagine how much would have changed if we didn't demolish the league below. Again point made before, but half of the original team are at the minute nowhere near the first team.
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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2016, 11:29:25 am »

Apart from Holmes and possibly Adams I don't think we are any weaker than we were last season. In fact in some areas we are stronger.
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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2016, 11:39:33 am »

5 of those players gone were loans, so not ours to keep. Two as good as didn't play, Taylor played about 18 minutes in total and in the second half of the season, when the title was won, we pretty much only ever saw Cresswell in the dugout. Oh and I doubt anybody would have kept Josh Lelan.
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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2016, 10:54:43 am »

Plus Rose, Holmes and Adams chose to move. They weren't 'moved on'. Adams had already hinted that he wanted to move last season, Holmes handed in a formal request and Rose turned down the club's offer.
D'Ath was awful on Tuesday night. Byrom looked unfit. The only surprise exclusion for me is Concrete Rod while Alfie Potter has had more game time than he would have had under CW.
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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2016, 11:13:51 am »

So there we go. End of the deadline. Jeremy Casey has also made a point about this on twitter.

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2015-16 End of season team
                                          Starts    Sub    Goals
1      GK    Adam Smith             50    –    –
2      RB    Brendan Moloney      29    –     1    
4      CM    Jason Taylor             12    23   2
5      CB    Zander Diamond       41    2     2    
6      CB    Ryan Cresswell         24    7     2    
7      RM    Lawson D'Ath           30   16    4    
8      CM    Joel Byrom              38    2     2    
9      ST    Marc Richards           32    5    18    
10    W     Nicky Adams             39    6     3
11    W     Ricky Holmes            22    10    11
12    RB    Josh Lelan                11      2      –
14    ST    Sam Hoskins             20    22    8    
15    W     Alfie Potter               16     10    1
16    LB    David Buchanan        54     –     –    
17    CM    Paul Corry                 1      3    –    
18    CB    Rod McDonald           26     2    3    
19    ST     James Collins           17     4    8    
20    W     Lee Martin                 9      1    –    
21    CM    John-Joe O'Toole       40     3    12
22    CB    Luke Prosser              7     1    –
23    CM    Danny Rose              13     2    1    
24    CM    Shaun McWilliams      –      –      –
26    GK    Ryan Clarke              4      –     –
27    ST    John Marquis             13    2    6

2017 ins

6    CB    Gabriel Zakuani
10    ST    Alex Revell    
11    W    Kenji Gorrι    
12    CM    Jak McCourt
16    CM    Harry Beautyman
18    RB    Aaron Phillips    
19    W    Emmanuel Sonupe    
20    LB    Raheem Hanley
22    CB    Lewin Nyatanga
26    GK    David Cornell
30    ST    JJ Hooper
31    LM    Matt Taylor
--     W      Paul Anderson

Obviously we all know the reasons for a lot of the outs. But just imagine how much would have changed if we didn't demolish the league below. Again point made before, but half of the original team are at the minute nowhere near the first team.

You could argue the heart of last years team, going by starts above 30- Smith, Diamond, Buchs, O'Toole, Byrom, D'Ath & Richards are all still here, only Adams moved on.
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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2016, 00:41:29 am »

The only surprise exclusion for me is Concrete Rod
Likewise just a shame(?) defence isn't where we need to make changes right now. What do we reckon McDonalds like up front as a makeshift last 10 striker like Steve Terry or Russell Wilcox?
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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2016, 08:37:20 am »


Please remember we are in L1 now, it's a bit tougher than it was last season, as Wilder has found out at Sheffield utd. Give page some time, he will get it right.The most important thing for us this season is to stay up, I feel we will do that.
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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2016, 11:02:54 am »

Likewise just a shame(?) defence isn't where we need to make changes right now. What do we reckon McDonalds like up front as a makeshift last 10 striker like Steve Terry or Russell Wilcox?

The boy can play a bit, dominant in the air and reads the game well. Cultured.
Plus he knows where the onion bag is!

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« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2016, 12:13:47 pm »

Page has struck me from day one as an opportunistic manager who makes it up as he goes along without having an overall strategy. Players such as Beautyman, Taylor, Gorre and even Revell seem to have been signed simply because they had a decent rep and were available; he doesn't seem to have thought much about how they would compliment our existing squad or fit into an overall system.

He seems to have based our whole attacking strategy on a 20 year old rookie who will be gone in January.

Fortunately, by hook or by crook he has managed to make us solid and if we can start nicking the odd goal we should survive. 

What a load of crap that is. First of all Port Vale fans said he plays boring football! So thats been no surprise to me at all that we are a soild unit.

As far as recruitment goes remove your rose tinted specs, Wilder brought in Clarke as no 1 and lucked out with Smith! Rose was not getting into Oxford team and when he came was touted as a squad player! JJOT was shipped out on loan by Wilder ! Buchy, Rico, Nicky Adams and Holmes granted were decent standard signings as are Zak, Taylor, Revell and Beautyman are at this level.

Dath, Concrete, Hoskins, Smith, Moloney to an extent never excited  any of us and went in to prove and earn their place.

We are not a world away from being a good or bad side this season I know but give it another 5 games at least.
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« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2016, 12:52:08 pm »

Most of the top players Wilder managed to sign was because Cardoza decided to start throwing 3 year contracts around. I get the impression KT is a bit more grounded and not willing to take those risks
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« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2016, 12:58:52 pm »

We haven't got the money to do that & I don't think we will unless we get serious investment from outside sources.
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« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2016, 13:03:01 pm »

We haven't got the money to do that & I don't think we will unless we get serious investment from outside sources.

A longer contract is usually a trade off against salary.
I heard the Sammo asked for more money when he was doing well as manager and rather than up his wages DC extended his contract. Cost him a lot more in the long run as he was sacked fairly soon afterwards
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« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2016, 13:23:57 pm »

Most of the top players Wilder managed to sign was because Cardoza decided to start throwing 3 year contracts around. I get the impression KT is a bit more grounded and not willing to take those risks

One of the few Cardoza positives. 3 years contracts for Wilder, Knill, Rico, Diamond, JJOT, Creswell all did very well for us. Would prefer players to be in it for the long haul rather than fly by nights who don't care what league we are in next season.
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« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2016, 14:25:34 pm »

Likewise just a shame(?) defence isn't where we need to make changes right now. What do we reckon McDonalds like up front as a makeshift last 10 striker like Steve Terry or Russell Wilcox?
Would love to see this but can't help thinking Rod's days are numbered.
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« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2016, 17:46:56 pm »

Likewise just a shame(?) defence isn't where we need to make changes right now. What do we reckon McDonalds like up front as a makeshift last 10 striker like Steve Terry or Russell Wilcox?

Or Kelvin Langmead.
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« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2016, 18:12:41 pm »

Would love to see this but can't help thinking Rod's days are numbered.
Bit of a shame really. The first time I saw him was at Barnet early last year. He reminded me of Dolman, overweight and cumbersome.
Yet he came back, slimmer and more assured. If he does leave, he would be a quality addition for any League Two side.
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« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2016, 18:53:38 pm »

I like Zakuani he's looked solid when he's played so far. He is however a clear your lines row z type defenders which is fine. Diamond also similar. Rod likes the ball at his feet and is young enough to develop further and be a real asset.
I too thought he was awful at the beginning of last season but came on massively in a short space of time. If we bombed him out that would be a real shame. Just my humble opinion though
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« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2016, 20:00:27 pm »

I like Zakuani he's looked solid when he's played so far. He is however a clear your lines row z type defenders which is fine.

I noticed that too. I know the default is to clear the lines but sometimes I think he does take that on board too much. There has been occasions when a little thought and ball control might have led to a counter attack whereas blasting to row z does continue their attack.
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