MK Dons

[guest2235]

Gorre broke free down the left in the first half with two of our players running towards the box, all he had to do was whip it in with his left to the oncoming forwards but no, he stopped checked back in on his right and was tackled. These opportunities are difficult to carve out and he consistently seems to mess them up.

[Revelling In It]

brilliant - possibly the worst sentence ever.

Apologies - you've got me, I meant "swing one in".  I suspect you're not referring to my typo though so let me elaborate.  A cross, in the air, from outside the box is extremely unlikely to result in a goal.  If you're the defending team you're statistically better off letting someone go down the line and put a high cross into the box.  The real danger is an overlap, someone getting to the byline and pulling it back or cutting inside and playing through the middle.

As an experiment, count the number of goals scored from high crosses originating outside the box by the side of the area when watching highlights next Saturday.

[guest2235]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned the tackle by McCourt that lead to the first goal, he had no right to win that ball...brilliant

[guest2235]

Apologies - you've got me, I meant "swing one in".  I suspect you're not referring to my typo though so let me elaborate.  A cross, in the air, from outside the box is extremely unlikely to result in a goal.  If you're the defending team you're statistically better off letting someone go down the line and put a high cross into the box.  The real danger is an overlap, someone getting to the byline and pulling it back or cutting inside and playing through the middle.

As an experiment, count the number of goals scored from high crosses originating outside the box by the side of the area when watching highlights next Saturday.

Most recent example was Taylor's cross outside the box for Revell to score yesterday. Also Potter's cross to Revell against Charlton

[Wolvo]

Most recent example was Taylor's cross outside the box for Revell to score yesterday. Also Potter's cross to Revell against Charlton

MK's first goal against us as well.

[Revelling In It]

Suggesting that the best way to defend against a winger is to let them run past you and get a cross in because not many Goals are scored from crosses, is not a valid point.

Again, I should've been clearer.  There is a huge difference between showing someone down the line and letting them attempt a cross and letting someone get past you.  The latter is far more dangerous and is why you see defenders shadowing wingers and showing them down the line as the defender remains in control of the situation.

[defender]

Very clinical 1st half performance, took the foot off the gas in the 2nd.  Shame about penalty save really.

Question is, does Page start the same XI against Walsall, because they probably deserve to.

and yes, it was, he clapped the North stand during HT

 Thank you for that.

[Terryfenwickatemyhamster]

Again, I should've been clearer.  There is a huge difference between showing someone down the line and letting them attempt a cross and letting someone get past you.  The latter is far more dangerous and is why you see defenders shadowing wingers and showing them down the line as the defender remains in control of the situation.

I was blindingly clear what you meant, and a perfectly good point. Ignore the pedants on here..

[rebelspawn]

Again, I should've been clearer.  There is a huge difference between showing someone down the line and letting them attempt a cross and letting someone get past you.  The latter is far more dangerous and is why you see defenders shadowing wingers and showing them down the line as the defender remains in control of the situation.

Okay, i understand a little clearer what you meant by your original point now.

But your first post said you felt Gorre would be better on the left, I still strongly disagree with that and here is why:

With Gorre on the left and unable/unwilling to use his left foot. He has to stop and change direction with the ball, in order to cut in. When he does this 100% of the time the defender has no doubt what he will do and can win the 'battle' with him very close to 100% of the time

We all know he has pace and he is getting in good positions, so play him on the right and:

He can run straight at full backs, no need to slow down, change direction etc. He can use his pace and his right foot to chip the ball or play past the full back on either side of him, providing he wins the 'race' (again pace, he has no problem with) he can then whip a ball in with his preferred foot.

There are more variations in the right wing scenario, without even considering the option to cut in.

I also disagree with you about crosses not resulting in goals. You have been given many examples by others so i will leave it at that on that point.

[Terryfenwickatemyhamster]

Will be interesting to see how we perform away from the TV cameras and not against prem opposition.

[Lanakings]

I was blindingly clear what you meant, and a perfectly good point. Ignore the pedants on here..

Most on here carry on even when the argument is lost or start changing the subject or just try to bore people to death.

[Rodney]

Ryan Giggs was incredibly one footed, as was David Beckham. They tended to play wide on their natural side. The recent trend for playing wingers on the 'wrong' flank drives me mad. Gorre has great pace so it doesn't matter if left backs know he will be going on the outside; most won't be able to keep up with him. Play him on the right!!!!

[Revelling In It]

I was blindingly clear what you meant, and a perfectly good point. Ignore the pedants on here..

Thanks Tel, I've been reading long enough to know what I'm letting myself in for!

I'm not trying to say Gorre deserves a place or will ever make it to the top of his chosen profession, merely providing some thoughts as to why he is being picked on the left when clearly one footed.  A question posed by many in this, and other, threads.  If Page is going to pick him then I agree with him that the position he offers the greatest threat against any half decent full back is on the left.  Would we rather have him get past a full back cutting inside and driving right at the heart of the defence at pace or skin a full back running towards the corner flag.  Talking of the latter, I'm reminded of Ali Gibb - what was his fascination with a corner flag!?  Spent his time with us head down running straight for the corner!

[everbrite]

Thanks Tel, I've been reading long enough to know what I'm letting myself in for!

I'm not trying to say Gorre deserves a place or will ever make it to the top of his chosen prefession, merely providing some thoughts as to why is he being picked on the left when clearly one footed.  A question posed by many in this, and other, threads.  If Page is going to pick him then I agree with him that the position he offers the greatest threat against any half decent full back is on the left.  Would we rather have him get past a full back cutting inside and driving right at the heart of the defence at pace or skin a full back running towards the corner flag.  Talking of the latter, I'm reminded of Ali Gibb - what was his fascination with a corner flag!?  Spent his time with us head down running straight for the corner!

Harry Walden was another too

[WasRambo]

Hmmm. If the role of winger (my understanding being a wide player who can dribble, beat a man, deliver a cross, preferably at pace) is obsolete, why has everyone been calling for us to get more in? Why has the manager signed another one in Anderson?

Because both of our main strikers thrive on the kind of delivery that a winger provides.

Of course, cutting in should be there as a weapon but that should be the surprise weapon in a wingers arsenal, not the go to method.

Lets not bother hitting corners into the box any more, after all, everyone knows hardly any goals come from corners any more. Even so, watch and listen to a crowd and see how they react when a cornet is given. Its the expectancy....

The fact is, theres nothing better than watching a winger skin a full back on the outside and deliver a cross that the striker then thumps in. Its the expectancy....

With Gorre, at present, theres no expectancy, just predictability and frustration...

[The 12th Marquis of Sixfields]

There's some expectancy going by the roar each time the ball was played over to gorre on Sunday

[guest47]

There's some expectancy going by the roar each time the ball was played over to gorre on Sunday

That's about right, he's our show pony that's not showing and is a bit pony. Reminds me of Josh Low after his injury lay off.

[guest170]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned the tackle by McCourt that lead to the first goal, he had no right to win that ball...brilliant

Totally agree, was a great tackle and then did well to keep chasing when it looked like he had lost it. Good finish by HB but made by McCourt

[rebelspawn]

Thanks Tel, I've been reading long enough to know what I'm letting myself in for!

I'm not trying to say Gorre deserves a place or will ever make it to the top of his chosen profession, merely providing some thoughts as to why he is being picked on the left when clearly one footed.  A question posed by many in this, and other, threads.  If Page is going to pick him then I agree with him that the position he offers the greatest threat against any half decent full back is on the left.  Would we rather have him get past a full back cutting inside and driving right at the heart of the defence at pace or skin a full back running towards the corner flag.  Talking of the latter, I'm reminded of Ali Gibb - what was his fascination with a corner flag!?  Spent his time with us head down running straight for the corner!

He is not cutting in, getting past his man and driving at the defence though is he? thats the problem. He is getting shut down almost every time because the defender knows exactly what he is going to do. I would rather have him on the right and actually delivering an end product that other players may or may not get on the end of.

Anderson can play both sides cant he? we could at least switch them around in games a bit more, to see if it produces anything. Defenders dont like that anyway, regardless of the wingers in question.

[NaggerPagger]

MK are s***e, they have a ginger tosser as captain and a fat scoucer as a manager. Just saying.