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Relegation Watch

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« Reply #940 on: March 21, 2018, 13:02:55 pm »

Yes BS I am for real. I did say it is things off and ON the field.

However we have been here before, with different managers and different players but keep getting the same sort of results. You are not for real or totally stupid if you cannot understand that off field issues etc effect results (over the course of time)

Otherwise the league positions would be just on who has the best players.

Sunderland would not about to be in League 1.

Whilst the number of seats and infrastructure are important (why is just about every club trying to improve theirs) as i said there are lots of other factors.

BS you cannot argue that off the pitch the club is very stale and the ground doesn't help. Footballers, managers, staff etc are all just doing a job, so like almost all other employees they are motivated by the owners of the business and the direction the business / workplace is going. Is the business small family run where everyone pulls together and works hard for it to survive?  Is it a hi tech one where everything is modern and funky where people are encouraged and trained to be creative, enabling them to produce their best, or is it where the owners are not bothered, the same staff where certain people get better treatment than others, little to no training, where the workplace is dark, cheap and outdated and there are no real goals / targets or ambition other than get through the day.

If you worked at the last one, would you be motivated to do your best, to grow the business and really enjoy the process???

Business 1 = Burton
Business 2 = Man City
Business 3 = Northampton

Business 1 = Most local small businesses and shops
Business 2 = Apple
Business 3 = Toys R Us


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« Reply #941 on: March 21, 2018, 13:07:08 pm »

Because no real investment being made in the clubs infrastructure which is whats needed to attract  players that can realise real fees and not bargain basement players.
Do you really think players are attracted to clubs by their infrastructure ?  For 99% of players it's about 1 thing and one thing only, money !
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« Reply #942 on: March 21, 2018, 13:21:54 pm »

Business 1 = Burton - A very aging squad and fans anticipating real danger for their teams future. They moan about the same things we moan about with regards to club infrastructure... so don't see this as a good reference point?
Business 2 = Man City - Bankrolled by billions probably help.
Business 3 = Northampton


I feel the point you're making is the only success you can enjoy is by having a Qatari billionaire bankroll you?
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« Reply #943 on: March 21, 2018, 13:36:43 pm »

Roger again like everyone else money is a major factor but other things are important too. One reason Newcastle struggle is that players don't want to live there and prefer London, Manchester etc. Players often have a few clubs to choice from so infracsture does play a part as does ambition.

Wolvo. Burton have spend 2 seasons in Championship on 5000 crowds, basically a non league club and fan base that has achieved far more than us. The fact that as an away you buy sausage and chips and a pint inside the ground also puts them ahead of us.

No doubt having lots of money helps, even Bournemouth lost £15m a season when in championship but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try. In fact Northampton with its catchment area, surrounding land and location should have been prime for someone with real money to come in and take us forward.


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« Reply #944 on: March 21, 2018, 13:44:52 pm »


Wolvo. Burton have spend 2 seasons in Championship on 5000 crowds, basically a non league club and fan base that has achieved far more than us. The fact that as an away you buy sausage and chips and a pint inside the ground also puts them ahead of us.

Correct, they have spent 2 seasons on 5000 crowds. So we shouldn't improve our capacity if that's what you deem as success?

And you can buy hotdogs, chips, burgers and pints inside our ground as well? Is this a club success?
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« Reply #945 on: March 21, 2018, 14:45:23 pm »

Roger again like everyone else money is a major factor but other things are important too. 
Derek remember when Alexis Sanchez was leaving Barcelona to come to the Prem, he was wanted by Arsenal and Liverpool. He went to Arsenal but as soon as Man U offered him silly money, the North West didn't seem quite so bad.
    I know what you are saying that if you are a player with no affiliation to any club and they all offer the same money, you would go to the one in the nicest area or the one that had the best facilities. But if one of them offered more money, the player will go there.
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« Reply #946 on: March 21, 2018, 15:03:26 pm »

Motivated and ambitious players tend to preform better than those motivated by money and security.

Think we have both seen our fair share of the later at NTFC

Wolvo don’t think I will even bother raising to your pathetic answer. There is no away bar inside sixfields and not sure about away chips either

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« Reply #947 on: March 21, 2018, 15:18:36 pm »

Motivated and ambitious players tend to preform better than those motivated by money and security.

So how do you know if a player is motivated by ambition or by money ?
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« Reply #948 on: March 21, 2018, 16:42:33 pm »

Derek remember when Alexis Sanchez was leaving Barcelona to come to the Prem, he was wanted by Arsenal and Liverpool. He went to Arsenal but as soon as Man U offered him silly money, the North West didn't seem quite so bad.
    I know what you are saying that if you are a player with no affiliation to any club and they all offer the same money, you would go to the one in the nicest area or the one that had the best facilities. But if one of them offered more money, the player will go there.
...otherwise, Middlesbrough FC would be squadless!  Grin

Actually, Burton (this season certainly) are nearer the 4000 mark, crowd wise. I would imagine closer still to 3000 if it's home fan counting only!
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« Reply #949 on: March 21, 2018, 17:18:13 pm »

Is this the Redev thread?  Huh?
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« Reply #950 on: March 21, 2018, 19:27:35 pm »

Motivated and ambitious players tend to preform better than those motivated by money and security.

So it's better to be motivated AND ambitious, as opposed to just motivated?

Interesting theory. What about if you have talent as well?
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« Reply #951 on: March 21, 2018, 19:44:16 pm »

Pulling this back on topic...Oystons playing games with Blackpool

Oyston said Belokon was "seriously damaging the club" by "refusing" to allow the family to fund it.

"At the moment the football club is using money to keep it afloat that was borrowed by Owen Oyston," the statement added.

"The simple truth is that he is refusing to engage in discussions to save the football club from further damage and to avoid at all costs its administration and the deduction of 12 points which will relegate it."

Certainly dont wish this on any club
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« Reply #952 on: March 21, 2018, 19:54:43 pm »

Trying to work out where the four wins may come from...looking at Fleetwood, Bury and Oldham and then possibly Plymouth at home if we can match last night's showing.
Little chance against Plymouth, who will be looking to cement their playoff berth...Charlton on Good Friday a good bet. In a downward spiral and manager issues whether KR stays or goes!
Bury away - a win surely?
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« Reply #953 on: March 21, 2018, 19:58:57 pm »

Are you seriously suggesting the reason for our table position is down to off the field reasons and lack of ambition???
Are you for real ?
The club hasn’t had so much investment in a long time . It’s purely and simply down to players and management . Nothing more and nothing less.
Where do these people come from !!
China?
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« Reply #954 on: March 21, 2018, 20:24:52 pm »

The fact away fans buy sausage and chips put them ahead of us.

Give over.
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« Reply #955 on: March 21, 2018, 20:29:59 pm »

As I said a couple of weeks back when Dale played Walsall...

...the Saddlers are well in the mix. The day at Walsall could be our Shrews 93!
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« Reply #956 on: March 21, 2018, 20:45:55 pm »

Walsall 0-3 Wigan at the break...defeat for Saddlers would leave them within four points with the same games played. Could be a good target with plenty of others having games in hand on us.
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« Reply #957 on: March 21, 2018, 21:29:38 pm »

Pulling this back on topic...Oystons playing games with Blackpool

Oyston said Belokon was "seriously damaging the club" by "refusing" to allow the family to fund it.

"At the moment the football club is using money to keep it afloat that was borrowed by Owen Oyston," the statement added.

"The simple truth is that he is refusing to engage in discussions to save the football club from further damage and to avoid at all costs its administration and the deduction of 12 points which will relegate it."

Certainly dont wish this on any club

I wouldn't wish it on any club... but I'd gladly benefit from it if it happens.
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« Reply #958 on: March 22, 2018, 15:50:31 pm »

Walsall 0-3 Wigan at the break...defeat for Saddlers would leave them within four points with the same games played. Could be a good target with plenty of others having games in hand on us.
Definitely.
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« Reply #959 on: March 24, 2018, 17:18:00 pm »

Its not looking good. After teasing us on Tues with a performance we reverted to type in a must-not-lose game. We've played more games than anyone else down there, have the worst goal difference and are on a bad run. MK are picking up points as are Dale - both can overtake us. Oldham now have 3 games in hand, a win in just 1 of those puts them effectively 4 points clear of us. I think Wimbledon and Walsall could be catchable. I've drawn the line above Walsall. Fleetwood are in good form now. We need a minimum 4 points over Easter but the Boro game looks as intimidating as ever.
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